Toronto Mike'd: The Official Toronto Mike Podcast - Toronto Mike on Alan Dalton Canadian music 80s & 90s & more eh?!

Episode Date: June 17, 2026

This unnumbered bonus episode of Toronto Mike'd is Mike's appearance on Alan Dalton Canadian music 80s & 90s & more eh?! last night. Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy for more information.

Hello everyone, welcome back to Canadian music in the 80s and 90s and more, eh? And it's my pleasure to welcome back my good friend Toronto, Mike. Thanks for coming back again, Mike. Let's talk like hosers, Alan, eh? Oh, yeah. Hey, how's it going, eh? Pretty good, eh? They should teach us to talk like that in primary school.

Like, we should be taught to speak like Bob and Doug McKenzie. You can probably pick that up on your own if you live everywhere or meet any trips. It should be mandatory, Alan. It should be. It should be. Right. Last time we spoke, you were getting hype for your show at the alma combo. And it has happened.

How was it? Firstly, it was amazing. And I want to tell you about it. I'm glad somebody's interested. I'm just, it was so happy when you said you were interested. I'm like, oh, good. I can tell somebody. Because when we talked, Mr. Dalton, I told you about Rob Pruss, right?

I told you about Rob Pruss. Right. Yeah. Rob was going to do a... He was going to open. 45 minutes, he was going to be on keyboards or something. And then at 8 o'clock, I was going to grab the microphone. And he was going to stay on stage, and I had musical cues built into my 90-minute set.

And he was going to be a part of this top secret. I wouldn't even tell you what the grand finale was. It was so top secret. But I will tell you now. But long story, even longer, is that, like, the night before, the day before, my Elma combo headlining debut, I get a call, a WhatsApp call from Rob Proust to say, I can't make it to Toronto.

Somebody stole the catalytic converter from under my car, and anyway, he gave me, it was a good excuse. Like, I'm not saying he bailed. He didn't, you know, buffy on me. But without a doubt, Rob Pruss threw me this curveball the day before my Elma combo day, and I had to, you know, stir things up, mix it all up on the fly so it could turn out. It turned out great, but let me tell you quickly what I did.

And tell me if I get boring here. But I called my buddy Blair Packham from the Jenners. Okay. And here's how it went. Blair, Blair, it's Mike. Toronto Mike. I'm at the Elma combo tomorrow, 90 minutes. I need you there.

I need you to open the show. I want 45 minutes from Blair Packham before my 90 minutes set. Blair, you got to do this. You gotta do this. That's almost exactly how it went. Like Bruce Allen trying to get people to record tears are not enough in 1985. Okay. Like just like that.

And Blair is like, Mike, you had me at hello. He was there. He's got a dear friend named Doug McClement who is very famous in Toronto for recording live music at venues. Like a lot of the great recordings you've ever heard. Like even the tragically hip live stuff, all this cool stuff. All this cool stuff, EdgeFest, whatever. Doug McClemmet recorded it. And Doug, who's a dear friend of Blair, said,

Blair, since you're involved, I will volunteer my time to record this event, like through the Elma Combo board. And when I wanted to do this originally, the Elma Convo, guess what, the Elma Combo quoted me to record this through their board? I can't imagine. $6,000. Wow. And I laughed and I laughed.

and I laughed and I said, $6,000, no thank you. I'll just get somebody recorded it on an iPhone or whatever. But then Doug McCleman said, I will volunteer my time and record it, and he did. But I had Blair Packham do the most amazing 45 minutes. I actually put the entire set on YouTube because, of course, it was recorded by Doug. And then I grabbed the mic, but I didn't have anyone on stage of me, so I had to kind of change things up because I didn't have my Paul Schaefer, who was Rob Pruse.

He was not there. But I did 90 minutes, like for the first time in front of a human being, I did this 90 minutes set. And I delivered it so, honestly, the way I envisioned it all going down. Like,

it unfolded as I envisioned it on a, on bike rides. And I was like out of my own body, calm and relaxed and just like hitting the cues. And then at the very end, I have this moment where I take, I know I don't know if there's a visual affair here, but I took this cherry blossom.

Have you ever had a cherry blossom? Not for years, but yes, I indeed have. Okay. Well, they stopped making them, Alan. You can't have one anymore. They're gone. But I had never had one, because it doesn't look appealing to me, to be honest.

But Rob Proust gave me this, because he said, this is like one of the last ones ever made. Mike, you need to have a cherry blossom. But it sat in my studio here for months and months, but I took this with me to the Elmo. And for my fake grand finale, I took it out of my pocket. And I was supposed to have Rob on stage, but he wasn't there.

But I said, in honor of Rob Pruse, I'm going to have my first and last cherry blossom. And I opened this up, and I took a bite of this thing. And as I bit into the cherry blossom, I heard this ruckus from the Elmo in the crowd. There was a big crowd there, 85 people. It was great. I hear this ruckus, like a couple of guys making some noise. And I'm like, who is that? What is going on?

And it was Ron Hawkins and Lawrence Nichols of lowest of the low. And they said, Mike, this is not how you end your Elma combo debut. And they stormed the stage. And they got their, you know, Ron had his guitar. And Lawrence had his harmonica. And they performed Rosie and Gray from Shakespeare My Butt. And it was amazing, Alan. It was all recorded.

I put the entire 90 minutes into the Toronto mic. podcast feed for all who could not attend or would not cough up that big bucks to attend but somebody was there and I want to make sure I'm glad you called me back because I made a joke last time I was on with you it was a true true comment it was real but I joked the $65 price tag chased banjo dunk away because he wrote me a note and he said it was too expensive but guess who was in that crowd of 85 people did he come did he show banjo dunk and He coughed up $65 to be there and just seeing it. I think that's why it was so calm and relaxed because I said there's banjo dunk.

I love that man. Bravo Dunkin, you should absolutely do that. How many times has Mike been there for you to promote something? And how many lasagnas have I given that man? He could, if he sold the lasagna for 50 bucks each, he'd be way ahead of the game. Exactly. So yeah, so I was happy to see him there. And of course, Blair was going out.

anyways, but then, you know, Blair switched from guy you bought a ticket to guy who performed for 45 minutes. And, yeah, I was happy with everything. And I'm never going to do it again. Blair's a great performer, though. He's not a bad guy to have open your show, though. Blair's a, I can't believe it. He's a tremendous performer. He was great, you know. And although this was designed with Rob in mind, if you can't get Rob Pruse, but you can get Blair Packham, you don't miss a beat. The opening act is going to be still great. What changed was there were moments,

I realized, as I'm on stage, I had this, like, kind of a cheat sheet of sequencing that was on the stage where I could look down and see it, but everything was in my head. I'd never done it for anybody, but I had memorized it on bike rides and stuff.

And as I'm going through it, in real time, it's funny how everything slowed down, and in real time, I'd get to a thing I wanted to do, and I'd realize, oh, this thing I wanted to do, This thing I want to do is very dependent on Mr. Keyboards playing this song at this time. And I realize I have to self-edit and change things up in real time, which you might think that's kind of scary, but it was actually exhilarating.

Like, Alan, it was exciting. Wow. No safety net. No safety net. And then little things, since you're interested, I will tell you that, you know, when you pay these big bucks for the Elmo, you get things. Like they have these stairs and they have the name of artists who played the Oma Cumbermo. And there's like Steppenwolf and Blondie, the Rolling Stones. And they put one of the stairs.

I guess they just change it for whoever's performing that day. Because that stairs said Toronto Mike. Awesome. That must make. Did you get a picture of it? Yeah. Oh, yeah. Yeah.

Yeah. I got a picture. Right. And then also the marquee. I already had the marquee changed before when I did a site visit. But it was exciting to see your name on the marquee. and they have parts in the building where your logo is there, and it just makes you feel like,

oh, yeah, I'm just like blondie, you know? Like, the Ramones played there. You know, I felt like, okay, oh, Miles Davis, I think he played there. It was pretty cool. Oh, yeah, yeah. And the stones, when they played there, they were billed as the cockroaches because it was a secret. Yeah.

Not so well kept secret. But they were on the bill with Maritime Heroes, April wine. Oh yeah. Yeah. Wow. I'm about it went well for you. So you won't do it again?

Well, I mean, you know, like when this thing came up, and I told it all in that 90 minutes, but you got to listen to in the Toronto mic feed. But like the way it happened was a way that, like, how does this happen, right? Like, if I don't want, I don't really want to do it. It was not my dream to do it. It's not where I want to go in my career. I'm not building something here. So like, how the hell does this happen considering it's thousands of,

of dollars to like book the alma combo. So it was wild how it happened. So I always thought in my head, I'll do it once because I hate the idea of doing it. So I'm going to do it once. And then I don't have to ever do it again. Like I can say I did it forever I can say I headlined at the alma combo for 90 minutes. Like that happened. I have witnesses.

I recorded it. It's in the Toronto mic feed. So they gave me this t-shirt. Did I wear this last time I was on with you? No. Okay, I don't remember if I had done my site visit yet, but they gave me this t-shirt. And it happened, right, Alan? They can't undo that happening.

Like, this is what happened. I sold tickets and I performed for 90 minutes. I didn't screw up. I didn't, I did it like I had done it a million times. And I don't have to do it again. Like, I don't know why I would do it again. What if there was a demand for you to do it again? Well, I did it.

What was that? May 21st. So we're almost a month out. Where is this demand? Okay, so how long does it take for demand to knock on the door? Or bring it on the road even to a place like, oh, that's just off the top of my head, Prince of Rhode Island? The Toronto legend that is Peter Gross told me that he said, and he's very honest guy. I don't think he could BS.

He said, it was executed brilliantly, but he goes, I wonder how this would play in front of an audience that didn't. didn't know who you were and I thought oh that sounds like a terrible idea because when I crafted this thing on my bike rides it was crafted for the TMU the Toronto Mike universe right I don't think I don't think I have whatever I am and I don't know if it's anything special or if it's nothing but whatever this is I don't think it's got mass appeal like I don't think this is one of those broad strokes where lots of people like this thing I think if you like it you like it a lot And most people are going to be like, what the hell is this thing? Like, I don't think there's mass appeal to whatever I do.

And I don't want to do something else that's inauthentic just to get mass appeal. Is it very regionalized, like your material? It's a bit. For sure, it's very Toronto Gen X, I would say. And beyond that, there's this, like, attention to detail that I think some people might find like boring or maybe they find it that minutia. like unnecessary and bloated or something where I I if somebody says hey stay surfaced here don't go too deep I get my biggest drill and I go as deep as I can you know yeah if you don't like it like you don't you don't have to consume this you don't have to subscribe to Toronto Mike you definitely don't have to buy a $65 ticket you know you don't have to consume this thing I'm doing but I'm going to do this authentic thing following my instincts.

And if you like it, good. I mean, I have a free event. Like, free as in beer on June 25th. And I hope a bunch of people come out. But, you know, whatever. At this point, like, right, Alan, we're just creating content that we believe in. And I don't think your show, too, is similar. Your show, if you like Alan Dalton's deal, you like it a lot.

But you're not mass appeal, like friends or whatever. you know what's massive feeling you are no like we're in the same boat we're cut from the same cloth brother yeah like i don't know if anyone's going to get real excited over canadian music the way you and i do dude i had caden's weapon over here yesterday and it might as well have been kendrick lamar or uh you know all these artists i came to my top of my head are actually canadian like my first thought was justin bber or drake and i'm like these are Canadians i got who's a big artist who's not not a Canadian, I don't know, Taylor Swift or whatever, but yeah, Cadence Weapons, an Edmonton guy, and he wrapped about Edmonton and he won a Polaris Prize, and he's a, to me, he's a big

deal. And he came over and sat right here yesterday, and we talked for like 90 minutes. And if, if you're looking for that, come hungry, darling. This is where you belong. Okay. Actually, speaking of something that popped up in my feed today, because we've talked about this quite a bit actually. The album by Sloan, one chord to another, turned 30. And am I right?

That's the one they made after they broke up, right? Like they broke up, right? I don't think so. They were right at the top of their game then. I know. I got to... Okay, why do I think for that one?

They broke up because Andrew Scott moved to Toronto. Like, okay, now again, don't hold me to this because it's off the lid here. I have to look into it. But I believe, and they were at the height of their powers, but they were a maritime band based in Halifax or whatever. And Andrew Scott fell in love with an actress who needed to live or wanted to live

or was from Toronto. I can't remember. But he said, I love this woman. I'm going to Toronto. Peace out. And they broke up. Like they had a farewell concert. They didn't publicize it like that.

But according to all the members, they were done. I don't recall that, but... Well, because I don't think it was public. I think it was like a secret. Because that was a big album for them. Yeah. That was like one that really blew them off the top. Didn't that good?

And everyone was on that, wasn't it? Yeah, Patrick Pentland's Jam, one of the greats, made them a lot of money. Yeah, they were all over the radio back then and video channels. It was probably one of my favorite Sloan albums, too. No, no doubt. But I would say, and I would say that's the album that they probably made the most money on, because songs like that they could license to commercials and stuff. And they did, didn't they?

Oh, Money City Maniacs was a lot of interesting. Yeah, and that's also Patrick. I think the Patrick Pentland jams make them the most money. Yeah, I saw Sloan play Open for the Stones at Burroughs Creek before I moved out here. And I think they were the best act of the day. There you go. Listen, you're going to get no argument for me because I had a guy over here from, do you know the band Whitehorse?

Yes. Luke Doucette and his wife Melissa McClelland. Luke was over here and he says, and he looks in the eye, handsome guy sitting right there. It's a bit older than me and he's like, the greatest Canadian band of all time is Sloan. And you kind of take it in and you're thinking, okay, because is it the tragically hip? Is it the guess who? But you could make an excellent argument. It's Sloan.

Yeah, I think you could. I think you definitely could. Um, actually funny, I've interviewed Luke a couple of times. He's a great fellow. I first saw them open for Blue Rodeo in Barry, uh, at the Barry Moulson Center at the time. And they blew me away. They did an excellent cover of Love Cats. Yeah.

Akear. Yeah, they did a really good cover of that. Amazing guitar player. I guess everyone was drooling over the white guitar that he was playing, um, as I was as well. Um, but I saw that recently he was. filling in on Brian Adams show. Yeah. That's incredible.

That's because he has a connection, because Colin Cripps, that's the connection there. Yeah. Colin Crips does stuff with Brian Adams. And then you mentioned Blue Rodeo, but yeah, the Luke Doucette's in that Brian Adams camp,

and then the Colin Crips connection got him hooked up with Brian Adams. Yeah. Yeah, and he didn't have a whole lot of time to learn all that stuff. And Brian Adams puts on Barathon concerts, and that's a lot of, material to learn and he pulled it off without uh i've seen some clips and he looked like he pulled

it off without a problem at all and he's just an excellent musician and a great guy and white horse is an amazing band and he's also sarah mclaughlin's touring guitar player is he not he was like when she was really young though i don't think he's done it in a while but like when he first like so he is a where's he from again maritimes is he where's he from i'm not sure no you know what he He's from the West Coast, I believe. Okay, so I think, because at some point as a teenager, he moves to Vancouver. I think he's from, like, Alberta. I should know this, right?

Or, no, I'm changing it all. He's from Winnipeg, I think. Yes, yes, that's right. I do remember that now. So young Luke Doucette, teenager, Luke Doucette, he moves to Vancouver and just before Sarah really breaks. Like, she's already coming from the Meritimes, because we talked about this last time.

Sarah's, come on, Halifax, Sarah. Why are you ashamed of your maritime roots? So she's in Vancouver, and it's just before fumbling towards ecstasy. So she's probably up, and she's becoming a bigger deal or whatever. Yeah, Luke is her touring guitarist in that period, but I don't think it's beyond this. I think it's just when Luke was like 19. He was on her last tour, though. Okay, I didn't know that.

Yeah, he was with her when she did the, I think it was the fumbling towards ecstasy. Oh, the reunion. Yeah. That album's amazing. It's incredible. Like, and just after that, she really exploded internationally with Willa Fair and all that stuff. But yeah, he's, he did play on that last tour because I remember him and his wife, Melissa, were on that too. He was in a grungy kind of, kind of an alternative rock grungy thing in the 90s.

He had a band. They had a one-syllable name. I got to Google it to remember the name of this band. They were like a Vancouver-based band. Do you remember this band? I know he mentioned it in one of my interviews, but I couldn't tell you right now. I know. I just,

just like you, I'd have to go back and check. Well, I'll do it right now. It's called Veal. Okay, yes. Yes, I do now that you mention it. Yeah,

he did mention that one of my interviews. And that's like his, that's, it gets kind of, almost like a watchman style, like, right. Canadian Al Rock thing that you and I both love really.

But so Veal was going to be a thing. And then they were just burned out and Veal ended. And he went. solo for a while. Yeah. Then with Melissa, who he's been with for a very long time, they did, Whitehorse came about in like 2011 or whatever. And that's like, yeah, now it's like this folk rock experience of Whitehorse.

Yeah, I don't know when the last time they came here, the Maritimes was, but I'm hoping they come back soon. Because I know they're doing some shows right now or did some shows around Southern Ontario for a bit. Oh, the spoons are coming here, actually. Okay, so that'll be, I always forget who's in that band now. I know it's still Gord and Sandy, but I never know where else is there. They're actually coming to play shows here in Charlottetown and in Moncton,

where my good friend, a guy that I think you might really like, look him up, his name is Dylan Ryan. Okay, two first names. Yeah, he's a great, he's a great, great singer, great songwriter. He has a lot of projects on the go. He has a band, he has a solo stuff. He does an oasis tribute. he's just a fantastic guy

good friend of mine I'm interviewing him tomorrow night actually how many episodes so I'm curious about you for a moment if you don't mind like how often do you record whenever I can one of the best things of advice I ever got have you heard of a YouTube guy named Scott on tape it's not ringing a bell he's actually from Toronto but he's always traveling

through the state's one of my favorite YouTube channel I've interviewed him once he's a great guy to talk to but he yeah he's actually from Toronto I first started watching him because he was friends with Corey Hames sister wow okay yeah yeah she still lives in Ontario so sure sure big Toronto guy yeah he has a great he just told me his biggest thing of advice he goes just keep doing it whenever you can as much as you can just keep doing it will you enjoy it right I do I do. That's the key. You got to, if you enjoy it, like really, you're having interesting conversations with people you find interesting. People, that's amazing. Like, to me, it's like, why would you not want to spend a half an, I'm not saying me, but like, why wouldn't you want to talk for a half an hour with, you know, I don't know, Gordap or whatever the heck you can get on the Zoom?

Oh, I love it. It's so much fun. I can't believe the people I've already talked to. It's way beyond my wildest dreams. I'm really trying to expand. band more that I'm doing. I actually talk to, we talk about Stomp and Tom a lot. I talked to the man that discovered him in Timmons. Who is that? Gate Lapine. Okay. Wow.

Duncan's told you about a time or two. He may have or may not have. You know, it's all a blur now. Like, he probably did. He's an authority. But lately, I've been focusing more on the comeback because I, I can't remember your age anymore, but I know that I'm watching much music a lot in the 90s. And, well, the 80s and 90s.

And I didn't really know the legend of stomping Tom. And all of a sudden, I started seeing these videos from this guy. Like, Margo's got the cargo and Red just got the rig. And I'm like, who is this guy? So I kind of, then I heard Sudbury Saturday night, this and that. But I was really into this comeback. Yeah. When he came to retirement to go at it again.

Yeah. Right. So then, so I've been kind of, I know we talked about this in the past. but diving into the details because Dave Bedini plays an interesting role in all this. Yeah, he does. I think, yeah, the whole story about how we went up to try and find him. Yeah. But his 50th birthday party.

That's it. I've read that story. It's an amazing story. Dave was great for getting Tom back out into the spotlight again. But Gate and Duncan have actually been working together. Gate wrote a lot of songs with Tom up in Timmons when he was up there. And I think he gave them to Duncan. to finish.

And Duncan and Douglas have been working together to finish some of these songs that Gate and Tom wrote, which is quite fascinating. I think it's be great to hear these songs finished and put out. I think they've done one at least. They recorded one. And now I'm remembering before I have to blow out of here. I just remember that. I want to talk about your T-shirt.

Oh, this is all tied to Stump and Tom. It's a hockey song shirt from the Stomp and Tom Center in Skinner's Pond, Prince of Rhode Island. So I was at the filming of Late Night with Conan O'Brien when his musical guest was Stomp and Tom Connors. Oh, really? I remember watching that. I was there. I was in shock that he was going to be on an American show. Yeah. I just talked to Don Cherry's son, and Conan, Conan's people, has been.

producers tried to get Don Cherry to be on the show and Don ended up going on Mike Bullard show instead to support local homegrown talent. Oh, I give them credit for that. Yeah, so that was like a conscious decision but Conan's people really wanted Don Cherry as well. Yeah. But they, Don ended up doing Bullard instead. But okay, so Stomp and Tom was on, in that funny, that same episode I was there for the recording, Ron James was the comic. So it doesn't get much more Canadian than Ron James and Steve.

Stomp and Tom. Definitely not. Oh, you got to throw red green in there and you're really Canadian. I just had on, I just had on Patrick McKenna who played Harold,

yeah. Yeah. Oh, I got to watch that one still. I know you had them on. I got to catch, there's so many episodes. Well,

that one, you got to do that one. There's so much Canadian in that one. You got it. You have to do, you have to do that one. And you know what? I really highly recommend

the Don Cherry's son episode, Tim Cherry, because we talked about everything. And there's that great moment on, speaking of, you mentioned Bullard, I mentioned Bullard. I hate mentioning Bullard, but I did.

I'm getting a rash over here. But, you know, Ralph Ben Mergie had Friday night. Oh, yeah, I remember that. The first episode had Don Cherry on it. And to surprise Don, because he was in town. Scott Thompson. So when Scott came over, I played it. I got Scott's reaction.

And then I played it and Scott's reaction. action for Tim Cherry to talk about it. And it was fascinating to hear Tim Cherry talk about how he felt when CBC on, it was live to, I don't know if I think it was live to tape, but it was, they weren't going to edit it basically. So it might as well, it was live. So he's sort of like, hey, oh, because, you know, there was, you know, Scott cuddles up with Dawn and there's a little, it was a very interesting, but it was fascinating to watch and

to just to have the conversation. But back to really quickly, back to Stomp and Tom Connors. So the hockey song, he sang that song on Conan O'Brien, and you remarked, because this news came today. I was very busy today because my son graduated from university. I was at the convocation. I hadn't checked my phone. Finally, after hours of all this, and we had this lunch, and it was lovely, but I finally decided, I'll check in on the world. And then I actually listened to the CBC top of the hour, four-a-half-minute news break or whatever.

And they say, oh, CBC will no longer have hockey night. Canada and I said whoa I just talked to Tim Cherry about this last week but his father Don on CBC and then Rogers and how it's still aired on CBC but and it all makes sense in some regard but it's kind of sad to me because Hockey Night in Canada was a CBC creation yeah and for the last 12 years I think it was 12 years Rogers was they they own the content and they sold the ads but they still aired it on CBC and it was just nice knowing it was sitting there and CBC. How do you feel Alan Dalton about the fact CBC will no longer air hockey night in Canada?

It's shameful. It's an absolutely shameful thing. I don't understand. CBC doesn't produce it. They don't pay to produce it anymore. Rogers does that. How hard is it just to throw that into your Saturday night? What are you going to air on Saturday nights now? Like I'm all serious. But Alan, okay, let me be a little devil's advocate, which is, um, Roger. paid big bucks to have exclusive rights to NHL content. And that's fine. That's fine. CBC didn't even enter the negotiations because us taxpayers and not us specifically,

but there would be outrage at spending that kind of money for NHL content. I see where you're coming from. They don't know the contents. So if Rogers paid huge, how many billions of dollars? Huge bucks to get the NHL content. And Rogers decides, you know, we want to make people go to SportsNet to watch the Leaves versus Habs on a Saturday night. You know, you buy your Sportsnet package to get that. You can't just over the air pull in CBC.

I can see the business side of it from Rogers. And then what's CBC going to do? CBC was just airing it anyways. They weren't making any money on it. But that's just more eyes on your product. Like, that's what I don't understand. I know it's a technology thing and they'd rather have people subscribing to Sportsnet or paying cable bills or something like that or whatever. But what are those people up in Northern Ontario or even me for that matter?

I have an antenna hooked up in my house. Right. And that's how I watched hockey was on CBC over the air on the antenna. Like you're you're missing out on a bunch of people that aren't going to watch. But you know, Rogers would say if you want to watch the Leafs and Habs on Saturday night, subscribe to SportsNet streaming I don't know

you're still missing out on a whole audience there that depended on that but the Great Cup has been on TSN do they air that on CTV I can't even remember now if they don't they should yeah I can't remember

you know that's sad but I know TSN has had a deal with CFL for a long time and I think possibly but do not quote me on this one either possibly if you want to watch the Great Cup you need TSNN

I think that's possibly true. And that's sort of the same spirit of all this. And it does suck. But this is, the world loves money. We may not worship at the dollar bill, but it seems like the general populace decided to pray at the altar of the almighty dollar. Definitely, I agree. Getting back to the Conan O'Brien stomping tom thing, though.

I don't know if you watch that video over again, but the guitar player on that performance is Bob McNiven. Oh, the late great. with a friend of uh duncan was he was in whiskey jack for whiskey jack right which i find kind of getting back to duncan again also i must tell you the stomping tom center has a dinner theater this this year and the whole theme of it is live at the horseshoe Toronto connection big Toronto connection huge yeah stomping tom and the horseshoe two peas in a pod right there that's cool absolutely yeah i can't thank you enough for joining me again it's all

Always a pleasure to talk. And yeah, anytime you want to talk. Well, here's what I want to do. I want to assign you like homework. Like find in the feed. So it can't be that long ago. I only recorded this. I only did this Elmo gig on May 21st.

But somewhere I have the entire 90-minute set in the Toronto mic feed. So your homework is to listen to it and then invite me back and you give it a review. And be as nasty. Shout out to Live Crew. Be as nasty as you want to be. Okay, I got to find that. Yeah, so is it on YouTube? Well, I don't, I guess so.

I don't know. I guess so. But like, you don't listen to podcasts via any podcast, you know, apps. Like, you know, because people typically, you know, YouTube is fine. But I don't know. I think it's on YouTube. I don't know anymore. If it is, there'll be a link to it in the description of this video.

Okay, well, if it's not on YouTube, it's wherever you find your podcasts. You know, I use podcast addict, but a lot of people use this thing called Apple Podcasts, and a lot of people use this thing called Spotify. And some people use this stuff on Spotify before. Well, it's there for sure. Yeah. It's there for sure. I will find it.

I guarantee I will. Now that I know it's all out there, I will find it. Google it. You'll find it. You even plays on my website. Absolutely. And you're a good guy. Keep doing what you're doing.

And talking to these Canadian musicians and even a bunch of bums like me who can't even carry a tune. Hardly a bum, my friend. You have a great podcast. I love listening to it. I love the guests you get. I've had half of them. Rename your show. Rename your show, the banjo dunk experience. Yeah, I've interviewed him a few times. I may as well call it that. All right, brother, thanks, man. Thanks very much. Take care, sir. Bye-bye. Yep.