Toronto Mike'd: The Official Toronto Mike Podcast - Toronto Mike'd #33

Episode Date: April 16, 2013

Mike and Rosie chat about Boston, Rehteah, a perceived Italian bias, my brother's intensity, the casino vote and Rosie's top ten TV shows of all-time. Rosie even snaps at Mike for suggesting Sex and the City was aimed at a particular gender.

Toronto! Welcome to the 33rd episode of Toronto Mic'd, a weekly podcast about anything and everything, often with a distinctly Toronto flavour. I'm Mike from torontomic.com. Joining me as always is Rosie from mytorontoscoop.com. And hosting this audio file are the good people at core fusion what up rose hello my friend how's it going hello my friend is actually catching on as like in the schoolyards across the city the kids are saying what up my friend hello my friend and they're saying that's a rosie from

toronto mike i'm gonna start putting a tm after it. Trademark. Whoa, that was abrupt. You know what? When Andrew Stokely set me up, he said, Mike, you're going to want to level, what do you call those slide things? You know, you're like in broadcasting. What are these slide levers? He said, you're going to want a lever for the USB input from your laptop.

And I was like, it was extra 40 bucks. And I was like, I don't think I really need that. I can do it in the, and I realized now, absolutely, I need it because I've been doing it with the mouse and it's, it's too hard. I need a lever. Andrew Stilkley, he knows, he knows the deal. He knows the audio deal. We should have him back soon. I miss him. Hi, Andrew, if you're listening. Of course he's listening. He's got to check the sound quality. He's a super cool dude. I love when he makes comments on your site about um working at the rogers center doing the baseball i'm so uh he's is he the reason is he the reason that we're under 500 right now um probably right sure yeah you know if you want to talk baseball mike you need to have your brother on with you who is i loved loved loved listening to that episode

with you and ryan it was so loved, loved listening to that episode with you and Ryan. It was so great. There's something about two brothers talking like when you guys first started, you know, you just, you started, it was, it was fine. But then when you got into it, you got into your groove. There's something about two brothers having a go at each other that can't be replicated. He's awesome. He sounds really good. Okay. So this is 33. My brother showed up for 32 and you and I and Mike Muzzin recorded 31. 31, right. So what happened was I did not have 30, episode 32 was unscheduled.

So we recorded last week and we recorded 31. And then I'm like, I knew he was coming by later to do his podcast, Fantasy Sports Hookup. Did he do it? Did he? Yeah, yeah. So he's like like i'm coming early i want to talk about tv shows on toronto mic and i'm like i was i was gonna be like well i just recorded toronto mic but i'm like i can't like deflate his spirit or what's the term i didn't

want to like so i'm like crush his soul i know i didn't want to i'm like okay we'll do another one um fine we'll do another one and then so i'm like just bring your top 10 shows and that's all he had was his top 10 shows and then i i had mine already because i did a blog entry on it recently i agree with him about the simpsons what are you agreeing with him about he loves this oh i love it too but um i think he had said as much as he loves it not doesn't crack the top 10. No, that's not what he said at all. Oh, sorry. He was unable to separate comedies from dramas, essentially. So he left Seinfeld and Simpsons. They were left out of his list

because he was unable. And I actually remember, I wanted him to, yeah. And I'm like, I'll pause it. You can merge them. And he's like, I can't merge them. I can't compare a wire to the Simpsons. And I'm like, it's not like. You can merge them. And he's like, I can't merge them. I can't compare a wire to The Simpsons. And I'm like, it's not like this is a legal audit or whatever.

This is for fun. Just do it. Who cares? Just pick your top ten favorite shows. I know you can't compare a wire to The Simpsons, but this is just a stupid bullshit top ten list on Toronto Mike's podcast. He was taking it very seriously. Yeah, he did.

He was intense. His intensity reminds me a lot of you, actually. Okay, can I tell you? The Boone boys are are very intense this has been the topic of much convo uh in the family i want to ask you so i listened to it once right and i'm like oh like i remember first of all i did live i was here for that did you know and i it felt like he was really intense and i felt like he might be kind of yelling at me or something not at me but to me and then i listened again and i'm like he's definitely like yelling at me like about the blue jays i dared suggest maybe we set our sights too high and he was like gonna kill me i thought he was gonna punch me

and then i had uh just mentioned in a tweet or something i said listen to episode 32 and hear my brother yell at me and then sammy with an eye who's a female who was a long-time commenter. Oh, yeah. No, Sammy. Hey, Sammy. Yeah, whoever Sammy is. She and I both dislike Nickelback. No, it's Our Lady Peace. Yeah, sorry. Everyone dislikes Nickelback. It's Our Lady Peace. I actually, Sammy once said something that makes me think she and I know each other in

the real world, but she won't tell me who she is. So every time I meet a female, I wonder if that's Sammy. So do you think that's true? I don't know. It's possible that we know each other somehow, but she's just going by the Sammy of an eye. I'm Sammy. I don't know.

But Sammy agreed that, yeah, he yells at me. And then Monica listened, my girlfriend, and she said, yeah, he yells at you. And then my brother Steve didn't think he was yelling at me too much. And my brother, my mom didn't think he was yelling, but I think he was yelling. What did you think? I thought that he

was, I actually didn't think he was yelling. I thought he was, he sounded a little bit on the defensive and then you get riled up and it maybe sounds like you're yelling, but I don't, I don't, I didn't really think that he was yelling. But he was, he was emphatic and he was maybe just, uh, intense.

Yeah. I got intense and I got maybe, you know, sometimes, sometimes Mike. Do you think I get like that? Well, here's the thing. Yeah. Sometimes when you have your opinions and you know, we all have our opinions and you, when you, when someone disagrees with you you get a little punch them in the face yeah like you you sort of buzz this sort of it depends if i'm right or wrong sometimes it's a

subjective thing like do you like the if you don't like the wire i'm not going to punch in the face over it but if you tell me rob ford is doing a great job as mayor to me that's less subjective and i want to punch in the face and this is the thing and i mean you know ryan might disagree but what i know sometimes how I feel is exactly. If you disagree, then you tend to get a little, you know, I guess intense is the right word. And I think perhaps it makes the other person more emphatic in what they're saying.

So you may, you know, because you're trying to defend what you're saying, right? That's, I don't know if I'm verbalizing it right, but that's what I sensed when I was listening to Ryan. Okay, so when he was up there, though, I purposely didn't go up there with him. Because I thought, if I go up there with him, we're going to have like a half an hour of two brothers yelling. So I actually don't know if you noticed, but I tried to keep my cool. Did you notice? I actually didn't think it was, you know, I don't think it escalated into fighting.

It wasn't a fight. It was just intensity. And the thing is, intensity is good, but, you know, nobody wants to listen to people fighting. That's not enjoyable. But I did like listening to you guys talk about your shows. It was fun. It was fun.

And later in this podcast. And Ryan sounds really good. He does enjoy it. So later in this podcast, I got to get Steve on a podcast, my other brother. I don't think he'd yell at me as much, but he'd be good for some debates. Okay, so let me just say about Muzzin real quick. So we did episode 31 with Mike Muzzin, and I won't reveal it now, but I totally must suck as a host because I forgot to ask him about the most interesting story he had to share.

There is a story that Mike is going to share on an upcoming podcast. Mike Muzzin. Yes, Mike Muzzin. And it's funny because when Mike Boone, Toronto Mike, told me what the story was, it's really, really compelling. It's an amazing story. I can't wait to hear it.

And I don't think we should spoil it. No, I'm not going to tell it. We'll let him tell it. We'll get him on. It's pretty cool. He wants to come back. He had a very good it. No, I'm not going to tell it. We'll let him tell it. We'll get him on. It's pretty cool. He wants to come back. He had a very good time. Oh, that's awesome.

He even unprotected his tweets after. I saw that. Big moment for him. I saw that. Why was he protecting them? I don't know. I don't know. He wouldn't, I don't know why.

But then once I told him I couldn't retweet him, because you can't retweet someone who's got protected tweets, then he's like, okay, he's going to unprotect. So you can follow him at Michael Muzzin on Twitter. Yeah, no, cool. He's a really cool guy. He's a cool guy. He's Italian.

And Il Duce was a recent guest from Palma Pasta. And he's Italian. And Elvis was a recent guest. And he's Italian. And Il Vibe is actually the guest with the most listens. So we have our highest rated episode, by the way, is the Il Vibe episode. That was a really fun, that was a really fun episode.

I didn't realize he was Italian. Yeah, he's Italian. Love it. And Monica asked me if we only have Italians as guests on Toronto. Well, it sort of makes sense because Italians love

to hear themselves talk. And you're Italian, so it's like they trust us because, you know, Rosie's there. We have lots to say, yes. But I think yes but I think and I think I wrote this

in the notes for every five Italians on the show we will allow one non-Italian and on that note we had two we had two

okay so our algorithm is alright the two non-Italians who have been on the show are Andrew Stokely and the Momfessional right yes

and there's another one I'll talk about later, another one who's coming up who's not Italian. Mm-hmm. Yeah, we have a couple. A special guest, but it's, yeah, we'll talk at the end. So we had the, I don't know if they had to vote or not. I don't know if they had to vote. They probably pushed the vote,

but Toronto Council was supposed to vote in that casino today. I think they might have pushed it. I don't know. I'm not sure. But regardless, the numbers are clear that they're going to vote in that casino today. I think they might have pushed it. I don't know. I'm not sure. But regardless, the numbers are clear that they're going to vote no. And I guess I'm just wondering aloud, and I don't want to spend much time on this at all,

but why did they have... I think it would have passed if they had pitched this as a Woodbine thing. Like, it's still Toronto, right? Woodbine? If they had... I think it's the downtown part that's going to kill this. Why not?

I'm just surprised they didn't, you know, they could probably have won this vote if they had positioned this as a woodbine effort. Well, the problem is you build a casino at Woodbine or, you know, it doesn't get you anything on the waterfront. It doesn't, you know, it doesn't build the waterfront. It doesn't, I kind of saw this as a way of them getting the revitalization of the waterfront. I kind of saw this as a way of them getting the revitalization

of the waterfront paid for, taken care of. I think they did a bait and switch, though, because then it moved to a C&E thing. I don't trust any of it, actually. Yeah, I think that putting it at Woodbine gets anybody what they want, right? Woodbine is not downtown. Well, it gets robbed for its casino.

Yeah, but I think he wants a lot of other things with it for the downtown, and putting it there doesn't do the trick. I think the people that don't want it downtown, both you and I feel that way, and a lot of people in Toronto feel that way, I think we'd be fine with it at Woodbine, but again, it doesn't get you all those amenities

that are being promised. If they had bothered to read the tea leaves or whatever, they'd realize that they can push for this downtown casino, and it's going to be an overwhelming loss, I believe, if I trust the pundits and the people at City Hall. It's not happening. Yeah, it's going to get voted down pretty solidly, so you'd think they would have backed something

that might have passed. But anyway, let's move on from Rob Ford. Let's talk about something tragic that happened yesterday. There was a bombing at the Boston Marathon yesterday. Obviously, this is tragic. I hate the fact that you can't go to a sporting event on a beautiful day off and not feel safe. It's tragic.

There's three deaths and many more injured, and lots of people were dismembered, literally. You had to have limbs amputated, right? Yeah. In fact, I saw the doctor describe it. He's like, the bomb amputated, then we just finished the job. They just clean it up and finish it.

And then people injured with terrible bits of... In fact, I saw the doctor describe it. He's like, the bomb amputated, then we just finished the job. Like, they just clean it up and finish it. And then people injured with terrible bits of... Ball bearings and nails and stuff. The bombs are intended to do that, which is just awful. So it's obviously tragic, and obviously we hope we find out who's behind this and that they are held accountable and all that important stuff, obviously.

But what I wanted to discuss briefly is that we have this, as you know, because you're part of it at the old Weather Network, Rosie, but we have this 24-7 news cycle now. And once something like this happens, and I was working from home when it happened, I saw it on Twitter. I saw a Boston Globe tweet. I retweeted it. And then I throw on the TV to see what's going on. And it's like, okay, we have a potential.

There's a terrorist attack in Boston here, it looks like. When something devastating happens, just a quick aside. I just have a question. When you go to turn on the TV, you just said you went to. When you want to know something imminent, what is the channel you turn to? 26. Interesting. Where do you go?

33. CNN. Oh, CNN. Yeah, yeah. I'll bounce around CNN, too. do you go? 33, CNN. Oh, CNN. Yeah, yeah. I'll bounce around CNN too. Like I'll go to CNN too. I'll do 26 and CNN and I'll kind of toggle

between the two. See, I'll do 33 then 62, Newsnet and then 26. Oh, because you're it's in your I know, yeah. Well, no, I just find

they're faster with the breaking news. 26 isn't always on the ball there. You think CTV beats CBC? When it comes for breaking stuff? Yeah, definitely. It's just faster. Okay, I didn't notice that.

But I never go to CTV. But bless the people at CTV, they do a great job. Okay, so I guess what I want to wonder, so we had so little facts. There were some facts coming up about how many were dead, because it was two, and then it was three. And of course, number of injured and what they have, and finding out some details about what was in these homemade bombs and stuff but really we knew

two there were two explosions and we really didn't know much else but we had essentially we had suddenly there were hours of hours of content to fill i mean they had a couple of like videos that we could see a hundred times in a row and i know on not the mainstream media but on reddit there were some intense pictures from people on the ground that I think the news decided not to show because it was too graphic or whatnot. But really, I guess I find that once you get all this time devoted to a subject where there's no facts, there's nothing to know.

Like I ended up going to the Leaf game and the Jays game at seven and bailing on it all because it's like, there's nothing going on. I'm going to watch my games and enjoy life again. But I wondered if it's not a negative here because what it does, I think, is it starts this speculation machine because we don't know who's behind it.

It could be an international terrorist group like an Al-Qaeda or something. It could be a domestic terrorist group like somebody who doesn't like gun control or somebody who doesn't like some militia group who hates the government, you know, like Oklahoma City or whatnot. And it could be a sociopath.

Yeah, like a Timothy McVeigh type of thing. No, he's more of like a, I consider him like a domestic militia terrorist. Okay, so more like a sniper? The Lanza guy. Which guy? Adam Lanza, the new... Oh yeah, exactly, like that.

Or the Washington sniper, the guy who was sniping. Sure. Like just some lone wolf guy who snaps and goes crazy. So we have no idea which three this is. And we can speculate to hell and gone, but it does no good. Because I saw on Twitter, trending yesterday was Muslims. Did you notice that? Because people like Arji are on my site.

Want to bet who was behind this? Terrorist equals Muslim. Now maybe Muslims are behind this, but maybe not. We have no idea. So all this time in the 24th cycle just leads to misinformation and fear-mongering and speculation that does nobody any good. That's all.

Yeah, that is true. It's funny, I remember, it's funny you bring up the Weather Network. I remember I was working at the Weather Network when 9-11 happened, and the producers had to make a decision whether or not to acknowledge it because the Weather Network, mandated by the CRTC, can only report on news that's related to the weather.

So I remember having to come to a decision, how are we going to handle this? Because it feels odd to not acknowledge it. Was it your decision? No, but it was like a programming, like, you know, the programming staff, like, what do we do? No, it would have been,

it was my boss's decision, the director of programming. And I remember it was interesting because it's like, do not acknowledge it, which seems odd. But at the same time, there's every other channel, it's just an onslaught of speculation

and no one's going to go to the weather channel for the latest on 9-11 no and that's the thing and that's what and that's what was sort of decided that we're going to be the the the respite from it you know i remember so many people always saying to me i love you know after my boyfriend broke up with me i loved watching the weather network because it was just so neutral it was like nothing was going to upset me on that channel. And it's funny how a lot of people feel that way. It's just like sort of a neutral, soothing place to go. And they decided to go for that.

However, you know, they did obviously acknowledge it in certain ways, such as we realize, you know, air travel might be affected because of what's happened. But then moving on, right? Because I actually remember with 9-11 not being able to watch tv because the first time i saw an image of someone dropping oh the falling man i was done i was done i was done i was and with the boston you know i think of that every time i watch mad men i think about the guy from the world trade center the falling man that one picture of the one guy. Anyways, I think, because they have that opening sequence of The Falling Man.

Exactly. Complete aside, but did you love the season premiere of Batman? Yeah, I did. I actually did love it. And it is an aside, because there's... I just wanted to know.

By the way, the season premiere was technically two episodes, and we had the third one Sunday, so I'm all caught up. Well, it was one episode for two hours. Yeah, but they call it two. It's actually two episodes. Well, to me, two episodes is...

Yeah, two episodes means there's... But they have unique names. And like, you know how they have names? So officially, when they refer to the episode, that was episode one and two. So Sunday was episode three. It matters when you go to like boards and stuff. Like I go to like Reddit, subreddit for Mad Men,

and they'll discuss season six, season five. What is it, season six? Season six, episode two. And they're actually talking about the second hour of the first episode. I don't know. I've gone to a lot of sites as well, and I've only seen it referred to as the premiere.

Rosie, this is actually not up for debate. I'm telling you a fact. No, but I'm telling you, you're saying I've also seen it referred to as the season premiere, which would indicate one episode. I know, but what do you call the episode that aired on Sunday?

That was the season premiere. No, the one that aired last Sunday. That, to me, would be episode two. That's where you'll get messed up because the official designation for that episode is episode three. Official from who? Mad Men. They have, like, every episode has a name. So they called the second episode episode three? Yeah.

That's ridiculous. Because it technically is. Like, that's what they do now. But then you shouldn't make something the premiere, make it two hours, show it all at once, and then call it two episodes. It makes no sense. So would you have felt better if after the first hour they had done some closing credits and then reopened it?

Yeah, they choose not to do that because it's silly because they're both back to back. But it's two episodes. I know. Just trust me. It matters when you refer to it, like trust me. It matters to like... It matters on the... When you refer to it, like in Wikipedia.

That's a good example. Go to Wikipedia, Mad Men Season 6, and you'll see that the one that just aired on Sunday is episode three. That's dumb. Dumb but true.

Okay, we got so sidetracked, Rose. And come on, we're in such a serious topic. So much like the Weather Network feeling that they should stick to what they do and not do 9-11 and chatter, which I think was the right decision for the Weather Network, Toronto Mike's blog decided not to write about Boston only because he had nothing. He is not the third person.

I am that guy. I had nothing to add. You are? I am. Revelation time. I'm freaking out. I had nothing to add. What was I going to say?

What everybody else thinks? Like, it's horrible and I hope someone's accountable. Well, that's because you don't. Right. And you don't. I'm not Boston Mike. Write your blog. Yeah.

Even a Toronto thing I would have wrote. Or even a Canada thing I might have done. Or if you had some sort of particular insight into it that you wanted to share. Like, oh, I've been there and I ran the Boston Marathon. I had nothing to add. So I decided to just not to pollute the airwaves with my commentary. You get it from other places. No one's coming to Toronto Mike to find out what's happening in Boston. Are they, Rose? Are they? Tell me.

I don't know. I mean, I think people go to your site. Someone said I should put an entry up so they can discuss it in the comments. But what are they going to discuss? The Muslims? I didn't want any speculation. I didn't want to host that. This is the thing. I think the people that want to comment on your site, if you haven't introduced the topic, then it doesn't really allow them to make any commentary. And I suppose that if it's commentary that you're not really inviting of,

then if you don't have anything really interesting to write about, then you're going to leave it alone. No, and what good would come from speculating who's behind it like i can't imagine it's just diarrhea online like when we know something then maybe we can talk about it but right now we know nothing if i knew something i would tell the authorities as pete campbell would say call the authorities did you hear that on sund? Call the authorities. I, oh my God. I hate him, but I love to hate him. I'm so,

he is like, you despise him, but he's just so, but you know what's really funny is I actually kind of hate Don Draper too. He's a bad person. You know, Monica doesn't like him.

No, but I think it's because of infidelity. I like, you women don't like reading about some guy who cheats all the time. It's not even the cheating. It's the, he's just,

you know, nothing. He's like a yawning void. That the, he's just, you know, nothing. He's like a yawning void. That's because he's Dick Whitman. Like he does nothing. You can just see people's love,

care. It just all, he swallows it all up in this black hole of insecurity and misery. And it's awful. But at the same time, he's so compelling.

He's like Tony Soprano. You hate him, but you love him. You can't help it. And that's really the genius of the writers. And when did you see Don at his happiest when he was Dick Whitman remember

when he went back to visit what's her name Annie and he was Dick Whitman and he was so happy anyway you wanted to talk about how do you say the first name Retea Parsons

and Retea isons? Retea Parsons, yeah. And Retea is Heather backwards. Yeah, we were watching some news on it, and my husband said to me, he goes, it's Heather spelled backwards. And for some reason, I found that so... It really jarred me, and I realized, to me, words spelled backwards, for some reason, they're off-putting.

And I don't... You're all choked up over this, Rose. reason, they're off-putting. And I don't, excuse me, I don't know. You're all choked up over this, Rose. I know, like, it's, well, the whole situation is devastating, right? It's very sad. And this whole, I feel like every time, like, I don't know what's happening lately, but every time you turn on the TV, someone, it's this rape culture now. It's like if someone hasn't been raped, somebody's celebrating the rape. We have, like, rape celebrants.

It's shocking. And I think that because we have social media, you're able to take pictures and you can, the bullying goes on, the taunting goes on. It's horrifying. Anyways, for some, you know, so obviously it's a terrible situation. Like rape is tough enough, but bullying with pictures being

shared after is like such a disgusting salt in the wounds. Well, it was funny because I read an article I read a Heather Malick and she you know she basically said you know a rapist is a monster it's horrifying but then who are these secondary

monsters that you know she referred to the rape celebrants that can taunt and with these pictures it's something new it's something it's monstrous. It makes me, for people that have daughters, it's horrible. I have a daughter. I know. It's just, it's terrifying. But yeah, I don't know what it was

when he told me her name was Heather spelled backwards. It really bothered me. It's something just sinister about it. I didn't like it. I didn't like it. I don't know. I would I thought the name was pretty until I found out it was spelled backwards. I don't know, I would I thought the name was pretty until I found out it was spelled backwards. I don't know, it's probably very

strange and silly, but there's something about it that's On The Simpsons, I can see Milhouse is getting mind messages from Bart and he's writing it backwards on the mirror and it's a, I know, it's a spoof of some horror movie, like I think there's some horror movie where somebody wrote backwards on a mirror. Well, there's The Shining

Murderer Red Brom, right? So there's some horror movie where somebody wrote backwards on a mirror. Well, there's The Shining, Murder, Red Brom, right? So there's that. And there's just something demonic about it. I think that we associate it. So it bothered me. I didn't like it. Can I ask a question? So the RCMP, originally they said they didn't want to work with Anonymous

unless Anonymous was going. And everything I know about Anonymous is from that documentary. Did you see that documentary? see that documentary i am okay so that's all i know i don't i'm not part of anonymous or anything um but they said that they didn't want to work with anonymous unless anonymous was going to show their face meanwhile we they have these 800 numbers for anonymous tips and that's how crime is pretty much i can report my neighbor and his pot garden based on an anonymous tip, and I'll never have to show my face. So the whole system allows anonymity in reporting.

But I didn't understand the RCMP not wanting to get the information from anonymous because they were anonymous. Well, first of all, I found it so fascinating that this group, these hacktivists, as they refer to it, were, you know, it's so funny because they seem so not anonymous in a way because they're so out there. But, you know, they said they had the names. Like, it was extremely powerful.

You know, they said they had the names of the rapists. And then there was one particular quote in the statement they made that I found was very simple, but it was, you know, really grabbed my attention. It said the police in Nova Scotia did not do their jobs and we are calling them out on it, you know really grabbed my attention it said the police in nova scotia did not do their jobs and we are um calling them out on it you know basically um and you have to wonder would they have reopened the case if it wasn't so blatantly put out there we have the names of these men and they gave an ultimatum it was like if you don't do same by this date exactly we'll do it like it's like yeah it's pretty like it's pretty wild it's it's a crazy sentiment like i remember when luca mcnaughta uh was torturing and killing cats uh they had all this evidence online of that they knew who it was and where he lived and they knew he was killing and murdering cats oh my god the cops did nothing like they didn't i mean these

were cats not not humans. But still, that's usually how these guys start. Apparently, that's what I read afterwards. Like Dahmer used to do that. It's a sign of worse things to come. A sociopath. Yeah, they start with that. Okay, so Anonymous has provided this information to the RCMP.

The RCMP has reopened this case, and I'm sure arrests are imminent. It will be very, very interesting to see. It's just such a new, so it's, and then it was interesting to read too how in, you know, Nova Scotia, apparently this is, there was an editorial cartoon that I saw that was really, really jarring. It was a police officer sitting at his desk and then it was, you know, a stack of papers that said, he said, and then a stack of papers on the ground that said she said.

They don't want to address this stuff because they're like he said, she said. But the she said is a lot less interesting to them. And it's awful. So again, it comes right down to it. I think do a lot of women, something happens, do you just not bother? Because no one's going to believe you. I hear you. It sucks.

It does suck. So we need to go to a happier topic. Yes, please. In episode 33. Let's just talk about TV shows. Well, so Ryan and I, my brother Ryan and I, talked about our 10 favorite shows last episode, but you were not here.

I want you to tell me your 10 favorite shows of all time. I'm so excited about this. I need my list. You haven't memorized your list? No shows of all time. Yay. I'm so excited about this. I need my list. You haven't memorized your list? No, I have not. Rosie. And I forgot all my business. I won't X out of it, I promise. Thank you. Okay, so this was

really fun to do and I have to admit when I heard you guys talking about your favorite shows I was jealous to have missed it. So I'm glad that we're doing it. Okay, my 10 favorite shows. No real order of... Boo. But kind of, but kind of. Okay.

So my number one favorite show, Seinfeld. Okay. Wait, but you got to give me a chance to try. Okay. You ready? Okay. That was in my top 10. I love that show.

And you remind me a little of Elaine Bennis. Oh my God. Get out. Ouch. Remember in the Bizarro World when you heard... When she went in the fridge, just helped herself. Okay. That moment when she opened the fridge and took out the took out the olives and started eating them i died like i have never laughed so hard there was just something about

elaine the way she was eating those olives i loved love and i like george so this is good okay oh my god we could just talk we could just i agree so far i agree about a whole podcast just about that episode that was excellent number two sex in City. I'm going to tell you that I appreciate the quality of the show not aimed at me. I can see why it's in your top ten.

You know what? If we're going to, this is going to be problematic because when you say things like not aimed at you, it's really good, good writing,

good stuff is aimed at everyone. Okay? When you say not aimed at me, I know a lot of men that thought it was amazing. I watch girls. But when you say not aimed at me, I watched a lot of it. I know a lot of men that thought it was amazing. But when you say not aimed at me, I find it sexist.

They're talking about Belonk. I don't remember the names, but the shoes? There's a lot of stuff around brand name shoes. I didn't know what those were either. You're implying that because I'm a woman that I should understand. I'm implying that they're not writing that for men.

I'm freaking out right now. Rose, we don't have time for this. You should not assume No, I'm implying that they're not writing that for men. I'm freaking out right now. That's actually really sexist. Rose, we don't have time for this. Next episode. Okay, but I'm just saying, you should not assume just because I'm a woman that when you direct branding at me that I know what that is

because I'm a girl and I shop more than you. Sex in the City was written and designed for women, not men. That's as clear as I can say it.

That doesn't mean men aren't allowed to like it and women have to like it. It means they're clearly targeting one gender over the other. That's not a neutral one. That's a show that targets one gender over the other. I don't know how to say it any clearer than that. Like we said, we don't have time for this.

Sort of like how UFC doesn't target women. Okay, you need to stop, alright, with the targeting. Do you really not agree? You don't think marketers target? No, because I know where this is all coming from. You think it's a show because they wear high heels that it's just for girls. No, it's four girlfriends talking about woman problems

in the big city. It's 100% aimed at women. I don't know why you're arguing with me. Number three, Sopranos, which only Italians can like because it's aimed at Italians. That's ridiculous. It's not aimed at Italians.

Number four, Girls. Amazing. I watch it. So good. I do worry, though, that there's going to be a backlash because there's so much intense media scrutiny on Lena Dunham, but it's just fantastic. It's so good. Do you know?

I like it. I'm sure you heard. Christopher Abbott, who plays Charlie. He quit. He quit. Yeah, I do know that. Now they have to write him out. He's got that successful app.

Which I loved. And he's sleeping with Brian Williams' daughter. Oh my God. On the show, he becomes rich because he creates an app. And the app is called Forbid. And what it does is that if you are trying to break up with someone and not call them, it makes you pay $10 if you try to call them. Unlock it to call them or whatever.

I think that's such a good idea. Number five is Mad Men. I love it. Unlock it to call them or whatever. I think that's such a good idea. Number five is Mad Men. I love it. So amazing. Number six is The Office, but the British Office. There's only six episodes. Not the American Office. Does it qualify?

Oh my God. I don't know if it qualifies. We talked about this with Band of Brothers. There's two seasons and a special. No, there's not. The Office, the UK Office? Oh my God. There's six episodes.

Okay, let's just go on because we don't have time for this either. I can Google it while you're at it. Two seasons of The British Office and a special, a two-hour special, which to me has the most romantic moment of all time at the very end, but I won't spoil it. Number seven is Extras, also Ricky Gervais. Do you know he's a staunch atheist?

Yes, I do. And one of my favorite TV moments of all time is on an episode of extras david david bowie google it if you're not going to watch extras because it's no i watch it i quite like it yeah if just to see if you are david bowie fan and i think there are some listening google david bowie on extras little fat man it is the funniest thing you've ever seen. Or just watch extras because it's hilarious. Really, really good. This is my favorite work by Ricky Gervais.

The Office and extras. Really, really great stuff. Number eight. There are two seasons of The UK Office. Thank you. And a special. And a Christmas special. And an office revisited in 2013.

Basically, the special, it's actually interesting. There's two seasons of The Office, and then the special is, it shouldn't even be called a special because it's really the conclusion. So you can't finish watching it without having seen the special. Amazing.

I'll lend it to you if you want. I've got it somewhere. So Big Love. Big Love was one of these shows where I was really into The Sopranos, and on HBO it just came on after The Sopopranos and I kind of started watching it. Wasn't really like so excited to watch it cause I was like polygamy, ew, right? I think that's kind of why a lot of people weren't into it.

But the acting was amazing. Um, the big, uh, Bill Pullman. Yeah. So good. Chloe Savigny. Amazing. She's, this, this show is really, really, really good. And you know what?

It's so not just about the polygamy and everything. It's a lot of drama. Did you watch it? No, but because it was after Sopranos, I tried it. And I watched all the HBO. I always try. Back then, I used to try every HBO show. And I think I saw three episodes and got bored and dropped it.

You know what? I think we talked about this before. Watching shows by osmosis. You know, your partner is watching bored and dropped it. You know what? I think we talked about this before. Watching shows by osmosis. You know, your partner's watching one and you start. Scott tried to watch Big Love. I think he liked it, but not as much as I did. I appreciated it as being a good show, but it just didn't keep me. You weren't into it. Number nine is Will and Grace, which I just...

So you're going to fight me on that one too? I was going to say, we're not even going to... No, but we have to do it for a minute. Hold on, hold on. Just look me in the eyes and just have a real combo. And we're not fighting here. We're talking. Do you really not know that some series target a certain gender? Like, I can't tell which of this is just you overreacting. No, no, no.

Listen, this is the thing. Yes, of course, you know, there could be an intention. But use Sex and the City as the example. But just because, but when you use it as an excuse to say you don't like it is BS. But I didn't do that. But you did. I liked it. No, I didn't. Are you kidding me? You said, well, you were like, Sex and the City, the example. But just because, but when you use it as an excuse to say you don't like it is BS. But I didn't do that. But you did. I liked it. No, I didn't.

Are you kidding me? You said, well, you were like, Sex and the City, it's not aimed at me. It's not aimed at me. It's not aimed at me. But you can still like something. Just say you didn't like it. Not because it wasn't aimed at you. No, but often when it's not aimed at you, that's part of the reason you can't get into it.

It's like when these shows skew younger, like 90210, like the new one, not the old one. The new 90210, is that still freaking airing i have no idea i think it got canceled did it because i had the guy from the wire it's so funny because i tried to watch the one just because of nostalgia and so terrible okay let's do degrassi the new degrassi okay so there's still degrassi right the new degrassi is skewing super young like it's targeting like high school kids i might not be able to get into it because i'm 38 years old that doesn't mean it's a bad show but it's it's targeting like high school kids. I might not be able to get into it because I'm 38 years old. That doesn't mean it's a bad show, but it's aiming hardcore at a much younger crowd, okay? I like Sex and the City. I really did. I watched a lot of Sex and the City. I thought it was a good

show. We got to rewind this tape. Didn't I say it was a good show? I think it's a good show, but some of it was really girly in the sense that it's about the purse or it was very girly, like all the problems they were having. The only guy who ever showed up other than Mr. Big was her gay best friend. I think they call him the fag hag. Or she was the fag hag or whatever.

Like this is their words. I don't use those terms. But my point is some shows do aim at a certain demo and it might be a man versus woman thing it doesn't mean that's a bad show and it doesn't mean you have to like it i have to hate it i did like sex in the city i like girls do you know i watch girls yes i told you about girls and i like it okay so will and grace because it was just so but that one will and grace is i tried it and didn't take and i'm sure it didn't take because

i don't think it was aimed at macho men like me oh my god all right number 10 entourage now did you like that that was i have to play complete ignorance i missed entourage is uh the big entourage i'll lend it to you i have it actually on dvd i would love to try it but i missed it you would really like it you know what i'll dig'll dig them up because actually I have them on. I just might not have the last season. I heard good things, but I never, it never was, I don't know how I missed it, but I missed it. I fear with Entourage, sometimes it happens too. And, you know, I think it's happening less and less because of PVRs.

And although I do think there is something when the whole, you know, people, the whole collective, people get excited for like an episode and they watch it together and they discuss it. You know, I think that, I think that still exists even though there's time shifting even more than ever now. But I do feel that Entourage, when it came on, there was a buzz, a big time buzz. And I would be curious to see someone watching it later if you liked it as much without the buzz of it.

But it was great. I would watch it. I heard good things. I think you would like it. It's really, really, really, really good. That's was great. I would watch it. I heard good things. I think you would like it. It's really, really, really, really good. That's it? Yeah. Those were 10.

I think they were good shows, Rose. You picked some good freaking shows there. An honorable mention to the Tudors because I really was into the Tudors. I wished he'd had more wives so it could have gone on longer. How many episodes did they do? They did, how many seasons did they do?

I missed that one too. I want to say there was like a season for every wife, I think. Part of my ignorance. How many wives are we talking about here? Eight. There were eight. I should know that, right? Was there eight seasons?

That seems like a lot. Anyways, there was, they went through each wife. That was the quietest eight seasons. You hardly heard about a show for eight seasons. You know what? If you're into it, you know, it was, you did hear about it, but the Anne Boleyn. Oh my gosh, she was so good. I forget the name of the actress.

Where's the wire on your list? Wow. The wire, I didn't get into it. And not because it wasn't targeted at me. I just, it wasn't my thing. Not everybody likes everything. The wire is targeted at smart people, so. And that's how you're going to end the show?

By insulting me? No, I'm going to say I invited your husband to my hockey pool and he denied me. He also had to unfollow you on Twitter because you spoiled the Leaf games and they're on when he's working. Oh, yeah. He felt bad. He felt bad. He sounds like my brother who got mad at me for having the J game on after that rain delay because he was PVRing it. Yeah.

And I was like, dude, I watch sports live. Yeah. Well, you know, for him, he works nights. So he... Does he have time to come home and watch a game that already aired? He likes to, you know, when you're winding down, to zip through it. He obviously would much prefer to... But he has to monitor Twitter because of his work, and you spoil...

But he must have to unfollow lots of people for Leaf game spoilers. Yeah, he doesn't follow a lot, so he has to try to, you know, keep it... I don't think he follows the Leafs, mostly news people, but he didn't want to unfollow you, but he had to. It's sort of like when somebody unfollows you, I don't think he follows the Leafs, mostly news people, but he didn't want to unfollow you, but he had to. It's sort of like when somebody unfollows you, I don't know how you feel

with this, but if you notice it, if you happen to notice it, it's like, huh, really? All right then. No, honestly, I wouldn't notice.

I'm going to get my tablet back. I got a script in there. Look, I didn't unfollow you. There you go. As long as you don't unfollow me.

Oh, a quick note. This is how we're going to end it. So, Freddie P. from the Humble and Fred show. Yes. Ever heard of him? I have. I bumped into him at Loblaws a little while ago. Oh, the Maple Leaf Gardens one.

Yep. I remember that. So, he wants to come on Toronto Mic'd. But he's coming by Thursday night or something. So, right now, I've got a bunch of questions I'm going to pepper him with. Coming by Thursday night or something. It's so, yeah. So right now, I've got a bunch of questions I'm going to pepper him with. I don't even know if you want to be there or not.

But Freddie P's coming on Toronto Mic, whether it's a Rosie episode or not is to be determined. And that'll be episode 34. Whether I'm there or not, I'm definitely going to listen to it because you two have very different, differing opinions. There might be some yelling or emphatic talking.

I was in there yesterday. I was at the studio, Humble and Fred's studio yesterday. And I just said, we're not going to, we're going to do a little Ford near the end. I'm like, we can't,

we're not going to do a Rob. We know what he thinks. He thinks Rob Ford shit doesn't stink and the whole world is out to get him. I saw that. I've seen that in his comments he leaves on your site. He. He thinks Rob Ford's shit doesn't stink and the whole world is out to get him. I saw that. I've seen that in his comments. He lives on your site. He always defends Rob Ford. Our arguments would be sort of boring, I think,

because I will say, I don't like that he hired his football coach, blah, blah, blah, and then Rob Ford. Freddie P will say, of course you don't because he's Rob Ford. And that'll be the end of the argument. Everything I say anti-Rob Ford is because I don't like Rob Ford.

But it's a chicken and egg thing. Why do you think I don't like Rob Ford? So, okay, so you guys are taping it Thursday night. So make sure everybody listens. You'll put it online Friday, right? Absolutely. Yeah, so you guys got to listen, because it'll be juicy for sure. Toronto Mike and Freddie P.

How is their new show going? It's the same. Yeah, so they record 90 minutes a day and then they create two 25 minute bundles for Astral stations. Oh, okay. And they have to be, so they, I know the process.

Well, they got a guy, Phil. Well, Phil was on our show. So Phil has to beep it and create the two 25 minute compartments. And he's no longer an intern, right?

He has an actual job. They give him, he gets money from Astral to do this. That's good. Congrats, Phil. That's awesome. It takes hours every day to edit or something. It's a real job now. So yeah, so they do this 90 minutes. It's like two 25-minute parts that are for Astral and then the rest is just podcast only.

And they can swear up a storm in that part. And they're happy because they can like go to their advertisers and say, look at the exposure you're getting on 1010 and stuff. And they can get more money and things out of their advertisers. So it's good. And there's another announcement coming. And I know it, but I'm not supposed to say anything yet. Although I've noticed they haven't been too subtle about it on their podcast.

So by just telling the regulars, like, I don't know, Rick C. and Oakville and the regular listeners. Hi, Rick. And the hints that Humble's been dropping are a sign of what's next. The hints are really... That's funny. I don't even find them subtle. And Fred's like,

we're giving you an exclusive. You can have an exclusive before... I'm like, you practically announced it already. You're like, what's the kind of exclusive is that? They're not subtle at all about it. That's hilarious.

But I'm not going to say what it is yet. And I read on your site that Kelly has a new job which started yesterday, right? That's great. Congratulations, because, you know, to get a full-time job in broadcasting, that's no... Is that hard?

Oh, yeah. So she had to go to Hamilton, though. Yeah, that's the thing. Like, you either have to leave the Toronto market, or, you know, it's no small feat to get a full-time, permanent, you know, not a contract, not filling in. And from what I read on your site, it seems like she has a full-time gig.

It's a full-time job and she's the afternoon person for... It used to be called Vinyl. Oh my gosh. My brother was so upset. I get this text message. He's like, Rosie, my channel, my station is gone. Oh, he was so upset. And now it's like your typical

Top 40 nonsense like Lady Gaga and Rihanna. Yeah, I hate to say this, but he's not listening anymore. I think there's a lot of people that aren't gonna listen i never listened to begin with poor kelly i feel i know so i'm driving my son i had to get to a skateboard park to sign a waiver for my son yesterday and this is that and i was thinking first of all it's right after the boston marathon news kind of came out or whatever so i'm i'm all i'm gonna listen to kelly's first shift so i'm tuning in okay yeah oh my god rose all these commercials killing me and then the song not even a voice before the song and then into a second song and then eight seconds of kelly another song another three commercials

another song i honestly tried my best first of all this lot of the music was horrible which is fine it's like i guess it's just like virgin or all these stations right yeah kiss 92.5 all that stuff but the amount of talking kelly did in the half an hour i was in the car was less than one minute total wow i felt like i know that she's got a paying gig and hummel and fred paid her you know zilch and now she has a paying gig and she needs to feed herself you gotta get paid you gotta get paid i understand 100 it's too bad a robot could do that freak what's she saying and she couldn't talk about the thing like she couldn't talk about the boss she wasn't talking about the boss and uh marathon bombing so is she doing news updates no like just introducing the songs pretty much no it was it was really like uh and i like kelly

and i'm glad she's got this gig but they do not let her talk i wish they'd let her talk because i've just heard her talk for the last year and a bit on Humble and Friends podcast and now she can't talk anymore. Well, it'll be interesting to see. It's funny when they change formats. You know, you assume it's obviously, you know, for advertising and monetary reasons

but I think a lot of people are disappointed that that format changed. Rose, I'm the king of this, okay? I always write about format changes in the GTA and everyone who Googles it ends up leaving a comment. No one in the history of the world, all the people that you pissed off, are coming to the site to say they'll never listen again.

A big mistake. And it doesn't account for all the people, the new people that will now listen to you because you're not playing like, whatever they were playing, Diana Ross or whatever the hell they were playing. They're now going to play, you know, who's a popular artist of the day? Well, they'll play, you know, the young...

Kesha. Sure. Although I actually kind of like Kesha sure although I actually kind of like Kesha you know what I like Rihanna so this is the problem I have I always want to name

top 40 artists and I like Rihanna Justin Bieber I love him because he's from Stratford and you know he's now a worldwide phenomenon but I can't stand his music

although I think everyone really needs to relax about the Anne Frank like really get over it you cannot in this society we make celebrities

gods and then you cannot expect you cannot be surprised when they inject themselves into everything really get over it. You cannot, in this society, we make celebrities gods and then you cannot expect, you cannot be surprised when they inject themselves into everything. But you do acknowledge, because I agree with you that I think this is,

it's not a big deal, but you will acknowledge that it was insensitive of him to sort of make it about him. You know what? It was a bit narcissistic, but at the same time, they put it on their Facebook page,

right? Like no one would even have known about it if they had to put it on their Facebook page, right? Like, no one would even have known about it if they had to put it on the Facebook page. And I'm glad they're defending him because, you know what? He went and he visited... Anne Frank House. ...a historical place.

Yeah, he learned something. And, you know, I don't know if you read the rabbi that defended him, and he said, he's like, she loved pop culture, loved it. She papered her walls with pictures of film stars. She probably would have loved, you know, yes, it was self-centered that he wrote that. Of course, obviously.

But my God, it's Justin Bieber. And he spent like an hour. What's, what, like, is Rihanna going to the Anne Frank house? I wrote like, is Rihanna going to hang out for an hour at the Anne Frank house? No, and I'm glad they defended him because they probably feel bad that they put that because no one would have even known about it if they hadn't put it on the Facebook page. You know why I'm glad this happened? Google searches for Anne Frank are through the roof.

And your Google searches, you are hilarious. That's awareness. How many kids today know who Anne Frank was who had no idea? I liked her. We had to read the diary of Anne Frank. And I'm like, how are kids not reading that? My God. You read that, you get such a lesson of what happened in the war.

I had to see the play at Young People's Theatre or something. I love Young People's Theatre. They renamed it Lorraine Kisma Theatre for Young People or something like that. I didn't know that. Because Lorraine Kisma's family donated a bunch of money and that was part of the caveat. Personally, I still call it young people's theater. The YPT? I haven't thought of it in a while

because I'm no longer a young person. No, but you created young person. My dad used to take me there. Yes. Rosie, I don't even know if I want to end this episode. It's been so thoroughly enjoyable. We'll do it again soon. And on that note, I am going to end this episode thanks for listening everyone see you soon oh

you're not gonna let me start our song monica said why did you pick rosie and gray and i'm like well they're a toronto band that we love like a really cool kind of indie band love it and i said her name's rosie and you know what we never talked about? My hair. Oh, my God. Next time. Next time. Next time. My hair is gray. Which is great.

Right. Good song. And that brings us to the end of our show. You can follow me on Twitter at Toronto Mike and Rosie at Rosie in Toronto. See you all next week. Bye. See you all next week. I want to take a streetcar downtown