Toronto Mike'd: The Official Toronto Mike Podcast - Trevor Hurst from Econoline Crush: Toronto Mike'd #1273

Episode Date: June 14, 2023

In this 1273rd episode of Toronto Mike'd, Mike chats with Econoline Crush's Trevor Hurst about the band, Martin Streek, working with Bob Rock, the passing of David "Ziggy" Sigmund, his side hustle as a nurse and more. Toronto Mike'd is proudly brought to you by Great Lakes Brewery, Palma Pasta, the Yes We Are Open podcast from Moneris, The Moment Lab, Ridley Funeral Home and Electronic Products Recycling Association.

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Advertising and production. You need The Moment Lab. And Ridley Funeral Home. Pill pillars of the community since 1921. Today, making his Toronto Mic'd debut is Trevor Hurst from EconoLine Crush. Trevor, welcome to Toronto Mic'd. Thank you. It's a pleasure. Now, for the record, this is the first hard-hitting question for you, Trev. Are you Canadian or American?

What is your citizenship? I am a Canadian, born in Virgin, Manitoba. Okay, good. Did you ever live in Seattle? Yes, I did. Okay, so tell me a little bit. Let's go way back, and then we're going to talk a lot of Econoline Crush, and it's going to be fantastic. I've been looking forward to this,

but at what point in your life are you living in Seattle? Right at the height of the grunge scene. Like, I came out to Vancouver with another band from Winnipeg in around 90, 89, 90, and it kind of fell apart, and I ended up staying with the management team that we had that was based out of Seattle and I ended up going down there and staying down there for probably

a year or so and it was amazing like it was crazy, there was like so many bands, so many A&R guys, so many people you know just the music Nirvana and the whole grunge scene turned the whole music industry on its head. And you were part of that.

And then what brought you back to Vancouver? Well, there was an article in an entertainment paper there called The Stranger. And it was an ad looking for a singer and it said for in the influences were like nine inch nails skinny puppy frontline assembly move and i thought well that's really cool i want to i want to check this out so i went back up to vancouver and met with this guy tom ferris who was the founding member of move and move you know was really uh the reason they created network records in the first place was to put out move records wow and so it was really the reason they created Network Records in the first place was to put out Moe records. And so it was really cool to kind of...

And, you know, simultaneously during that time, even though grunge was this big thing, My Life in the Thrill Kill Cult, Ministry, all these bands from around America, like Wax Tracks Records out of Chicago, Nine Inch Nails, obviously, there was so many kind of industrial bands. So that was kind of a wave that was underneath the grunge wave that was ongoing as well.

Man, you're preaching to the choir here because I'm still living in the 90s when it comes to music, man. Yeah. I don't know if I should be proud to say that, that maybe that's a little embarrassing, but I'd say a good 70% of what I consume musically was produced in the 1990s. Well, I mean, it was a great era. The thing was, everything up until that point in rock and roll seemed formulaic

in some ways, or at least in the last years leading up to it. And then Nirvana just kind of blew the doors off that concept. And it was wild too. It wasn't like you could really, I mean, I guess you could define grunge, but there was a lot of different styles going on in Seattle at that time. And in North America, you know? Right.

And so you're in Vancouver and you basically, like you said, you answered an ad in a newspaper. And obviously they liked what they heard. They're like, you're our guy. Yeah. Yeah, it went well. We started writing songs. And really it went quickly. We had a gig pretty quick.

We had this kind of champion in the local radio scene, independent radio scene, David Hawks, and there was a station called Coast 1040 AM and I think it went to FM later. But it played our music, it played our demos, and then we ended up playing these showcases for really big

labels up in Vancouver and playing really big shows because of David Hawks. We owe a lot to him for getting us going. And then we got out to Toronto, Martin Street got behind us. So we had a lot of really great people in our corner. The late, great Martin Street. Wow. Now, did you get to know him? Maybe a few words about Marty since he's been... Sadly, we lost him in 2009.

He, you know, with Marty, I think you could say he somewhat, he taught us how to be a rock band in a way. Like we knew, okay, all the stuff about playing the music, recording, but how to like, where to go, who to see, who to hang out with. You know, he brought us to his shows when he would do those things at the Phoenix and we would hang out and it was so much fun. He was a great...

Sometimes people don't put enough, I think, give enough credit. It doesn't necessarily have to be that he's funnier music. The fact that he was just interested in the band, the fact that he just talked to us and asked us questions was enough to give you that level of encouragement.

Larger than life. What a cool cat. I used to go to these live to airs and I definitely was listening to these live to airs on 102.1 The Edge slash CFNY and just a cool vibe, cool scene, man, and you were a part

of it. Yeah. I feel And you were a part of it. Yeah. I feel blessed to be a part of it. I can remember being at the crocodile, like going to see, um, the posies and brushing up to against Peter Buck, you know, in the hallway, like, like everybody was around. Right. Right. What a time. So, you know, I'm a Toronto guy, but hearing you talk about the coast was the coast like Vancouver's CFNY equivalent? Yeah.

Yes and no. Not as big, not as powerful. It couldn't make careers the way that CFNY can. It was more an indie thing. It was like just one step up from college in a way. Gotcha. Quintessential Vancouver band

because, I mean because you worked with Bruce Allen. That to me screams Vancouver when I hear somebody's working with Bruce Allen. Yeah. Bruce was amazing. He came in, I guess, on the Devil You Know. Prior

to that, we were working with Frank Whitebird, another Vancouver manager and we also were self-managed for a while too. And we had the management in Seattle, but Bruce came in and kind of took over the reins at The Devil You Know and through the end of Brand New History. Okay, good to know. Yeah, because The Devil You Know is not until 97.

So, I mean, that's a few years into the run here. So let's do this. I have a bunch of Econolineine crush music that we're going to, we're going to literally crush it, Trev, and then we're going to talk about it as I go. And one song I'm going to play off the top is actually, I got to ask you about that. Cause to me, Bruce Allen, totally Vancouver, but there's another guy, you know, like I think of Vancouver, like there's Bruce Allen is there. Maybe Jim Valance is there. Maybe Brian Adams is there. And then this guy, you know, like I think of Vancouver, like there's Bruce Allen is there. Maybe Jim Valance is there. Maybe Brian Adams is there. And then this guy,

but we'll get to that in a minute. Can you give me the, uh, like the Econoline Crush band, like the name origin story and like, like how you came to be in the very beginning? Well, it was so early in the music industry that there was not MP3s yet. There was not a way to send your music to the label other than on a disc or on a dat, you know. Or a cassette tape like, you know, Barenaked Lady stuff.

Exactly. So, okay, so we had made this demo. Because Tom had been in Move, there was a label out of New York called East West that was very, very, very interesting. So we kind of promised them that we'd send it by say a Wednesday or whatever. And FedEx guy comes to

the studio and we still haven't come up with a name. And we were like, oh my gosh, oh my gosh. And Tom really wanted to call the band Crush. And I said, but our music kind of has a machine-like quality. What can we do? So there was all these things, but back and forth, back and forth. And then finally, somebody said, like I said,

I had told a story about when I was a kid, I listened to all my music in this Econoline band that my parents owned. And so somebody said, well, why don't you just call it Econoline Crush? And that's what we did. But the craziest thing was, you know, I said, okay, we can change it later. When we ended up getting on Restless Records in America, and you can still probably look it up online, they hired a guy and he made up a novel.

Like he said that the name came from a French novel. And that a Conline Crush was the drug you took to become eternally optimistic. See, don't believe the hype, right? Chuck D was absolutely right. Don't believe the hype. Well, this is the land of real talk. We can dispel these myths. Yeah.

Okay, so I'm going to play a little something to tide us over here, and then we'll get to some bigger jams. But let's start with this. I'm part of the system and the system is mine. I'm part of the system'm doing it my place. Holy shit. Okay, so no wonder you're, this is like a, this is industrial, dare I say. This is some heavy shit here.

Yes, definitely. Most definitely. Yeah. Okay, so the title of that song, this is early, right? This is early right this is early Econoline Crush yes that's off the purge EP so the very first

Econoline Crush recording I want to start way back because we're going to end this chat current days so we're going to run the gamut here but okay that song's called TDM Terry David Mulligan I know this is crazy so Terry always thought it was about him Okay, that song's called TDM. Terry David Mulligan. I know.

This is crazy. So Terry always thought it was about him. Of course he does. Oh my gosh. Yeah, he thought it was about him. No, actually, the crazy thing about that song was we did some guitar sampling and I was at the keyboard and I was hitting the keys.

Diggity-gada, diggity digga dad, digga digga dad, digga digga dad. Tongue in cheek, named the song TDM after Trevor's death memory. That's where the title actually comes from. See, I'm so glad we're doing this because I'm thinking Vancouver guy, shortly thereafter

we'll end up working with Bruce Allen. For sure this is an ode to Terry David Mulligan. And you know what? I did an interview one time. We did this, like, there was this crazy thing at Thunderbird where School of Science tendencies, Metallica, Alice in Chains, were playing on the main stage. We headlined the side stage.

And Terry interviewed me afterwards. And he was asking me about that. Alice and Shane were playing on the main stage. We headlined the side stage. And Terry interviewed me afterwards. And he was asking me about that. And I said, no, man. And I explained it all to him. And that was all cut from the Much West thing. Yeah, that was Much West, man. You know, I did, he's an FOTM.

That means Friend of Toronto, Mike. You're now, Trevor Hurst, you're now an FOTM. So welcome to the family. Thank you. Thank you, thank you. Your dream has come true. I will eventually do a sequel with Terry David Mulligan because we're going to talk about Joni Mitchell because he had this whole West Canadian

Joni Mitchell experience or something. But I'm going to talk to him about TDM and I'm going to just rub it in a little bit that it's not Terry David Mulligan like he thinks. He thinks it's his theme song. You're going to burst his bubble. Oh my gosh, Mike.

I don't know. I don't know. I'm going to burst the fuck out of Terry David Mulligan's bubble. That's what I'm going to do. So wait, let me... So you got a Juno nomination for Purge, right? I believe so, yeah. Yeah.

Okay, that's so great. And I'm listening to this jam and a lot of your songs have this quality in the mix, but this one really does sound like it would be kicked out by Marty Streak on a live to air late at night, right alongside Nine Inch Nails or Tool or something. Yes, for sure, for sure. And you know, the interesting thing too is it was produced by Dale Penner, and he's a fellow Manitoban and he was out working in Vancouver.

Yeah, is he relation to Fred Penner, of course? I know. Because you know Fred Penner is in Winnipeg right now. Living there or just hanging out? He lives there at least like half the time. I think he's got some interesting dynamic going on in the Penner family, but he's

absolutely spending a lot of his year in Winnipeg. Well, you know, it's interesting. I used to always say that Winnipeg was the home of rock and roll. Because if you look at it, there's a culture that was built up from back in the day with Burton Cummings and with the Guess Who and BTO. And you have your Street Heart and Harlequin and Orphan and the Pumps and going into the Cheer. So many cool, cool bands out of Winnipeg.

So it was not hard as a starting up as a musician to go to the clubs, watch these bands and get a lesson in how to put a show together, how to write songs. But a lot of it was how to construct a set, like Streetheart, Harlequin. These guys, we learned a lot from them how to construct a set. There was also a really cool band

called Chocolate Bunnies from Hell that was like an Alice Cooper kind of thing. I loved it, just loved it. And you're coming up alongside Winnipeg bands like The Watchmen, right? Yeah. Yeah, yeah.

They came a little bit later, like just right after us. And I was actually in a band that became Zen Bungalow. And then one of the guys kind of split off to The Watchmen for a bit.

So like everybody in the scene kind of knows everybody or has worked with everybody, you know. Love it. I love the guys kind of split off to the Watchmen for a bit. So like everybody in the scene kind of knows everybody or has worked with everybody, you know? Love it. I love the guys from the Watchmen. So shout out to. Yeah,

they're great guys. Yeah. Great guys. Yeah. Great guys. Now, uh, 97 now you mentioned earlier,

the devil, you know, but I was reading up on the devil, you know, and I got a big jam tonight. I'm going to play in a second here that, uh, everybody knows.

Not that everyone doesn't know TDM, but they really know this next jam. But you toured with bands like Kiss and Green Day and Foo Fighters and, of course, Tea Party. This is big leagues, man. It was really, you know, it's interesting because when you watch a band say like Kiss and you say, okay, what does Kiss and Apollo and Crush

have in common? And, you know, it's interesting that you have more in common than you think. And then when you watch that show, their stage performance and their kind of like chutzpah or whatever you want to call it,

just the sheer, like, just audacity of the band at times, really, we learned so much from them because it was like, yeah, showmanship. And same thing with watching Green Day or watching the Chili Peppers or seeing all these bands. Because we were so fortunate we did these radio festivals where it would be like 20 bands on the bill and you could go see them after you were done. And so again,

learning about how to put on a better show, how to write a better song, you know, that kind of stuff. Did you ever do an Edge Fest? Yes, we did all the Edge Fests. The first one we were on the side stage, the second one we got on to be on the main stage. Was there three or two? Actually,

there was a lot. I know, I think I've personally been to like six. Well, we were on at least two or three of them. I know we were on I've personally been to like six. Well, we were on at least two or three of them. I know we were on the first one, like the one that had the Foo Fighters on it

and I think we headlined the side stage and Creed was before us. Okay, I was at this one. I think we're talking like maybe 99, like around that.

It was Glulag there too when you were on there? You know what, I think we're talking maybe 99? Like around that? Was Glue Leg there too when you were on there? I literally just did. Anything you ever wanted to know about Glue Leg but were afraid to ask, I just did. Literally. In the entire internet, the entire universe, there is no more a definitive piece of anything

about the history, the ongoing history because they have new stuff out, but the ongoing history of Glulag than an episode I did last month with the guys from Glulag. That's there waiting for you, man. There's no one on the planet who gives more of a shit about Glulag than I do. You know,

actually, I forget what year it was, but when I was working with Ross Childress on my Hearst side thing, we did that in Ruben Herziga's studio. See, drop these fun facts, like liberally just sprinkle them throughout this chat. Well, I will, because they were doing Micro Maureen at the time. And Barry, who's in Three Days Grace, was the guitar player in Barry Stock. He was in Micro Maureen.

The cadence, the way you speak, as I've now been chatting with you for a solid, I'm going to get this exactly right, 17 minutes. Your cadence reminds me quite a bit of Rob Pruce. Rob Pruce was the keyboardist for Spoons during their glory years. Oh, man, I like the Spoons. Do you remember a band called The Box? No. The Rocks? The Box.

Of course. Of course. Are you kidding me? Yeah. You must have known we speak the box. Of course. I think that... Was Sass Jordan a background singer in The Box? Yep. Stomp closer together. Oh, my God god that was so good

dude man they gotta play some shows they gotta play shows okay so sass jordan's been here uh you're remotely joining us where are you in the world right now i'm i'm sitting in the blue grotto we just played here last night and we're loading out in camels british columbia so that's why i'm letting you zoom in because that's a hell of a drive for you to get to Toronto for that. But Sass Jordan was sitting here in the basement and I was playing like the box with her on background vocals and I'm not lying to you man. Sass was acting like

she had forgotten she did that. Like she was learning. Like she reacted as if I had just dropped this mind blow on her that she was singing backup vocals for the box. But it's 100% her because you can see her in the video and that voice is exactly hers. There's no doubt about it.

Oh, yeah. And where was the video filmed? Somewhere really tropical. They look so cool. Do you remember they were walking down the street and you had the white shirts. It was like Jamaica or something. When I picture the video, they're on a rooftop. It's Guns N' Roses Don't Cry or something. Am I conflating things, Trev? I don a rooftop. It's Guns N' Roses, Don't Cry or something.

Am I conflating things, Trev? I don't know. It's been a long day. I think you may be. But I love the spoons, too. You mentioned the spoons earlier. By the way, normally I record an episode, it drops right away. But I just said goodbye to Toronto mayoral candidate, Brad Bradford.

And I have a recording tonight. That's going to with, with Rob Proust tonight, Rob Proust is going to be here. So Europe's going to drop probably a few days after, but it's kind of wild that you remind me of Rob Proust only because he and Bob will let Bob will let you run Bob's basement. Yes,

I was. Yes, I was. Yeah. Okay. So Bob will let, and Rob Pruce will be here tonight, and we're going to do what's called Toast, but we're going to kick out jams.

And all I'm saying is your cadence reminds me a little of Rob's, so that's where I'm going there. Cool. Okay. That's cool. And he's a great guy, too. Okay, so I've got to get to this big jam. We're going to cover a lot of ground here.

Buckle up. But let's kick this out and then let's talk about this song because I think for most listeners of this program right now, this is when they discover a Conaline crush. Here we go. If I said it demanded

I'm not really demanded I'm just saying it's been sad again and again Not that I'm overcrowded I'm just saying it's been sad again and again Not that I'm overcrowded I'm already defounded I'm a liar, believe me, baby Well, it's all that you are You're just one shining star Well, it's all that you want

You're just one shining star Maybe everything changed Speaking of 102.1 The Edge, I think I heard this a million times on that station, but this is all that you are. But I have a question. In parentheses, there's like a times three. What's that about? the edge i think i heard this a million times on that station but this is uh all that you are but i have a question in parentheses there's like a times three what's that about well when we were making uh going to make the record we chose sylvia massey who also produced blue leg uh we chose we

chose sylvia massey to produce the record and um i spent the day with her going through the songs trying to figure out, you know, what we were going to put on the record. And when we were finishing up this listening session, on the way back from the studio, her car breaks down. She's so embarrassed. And I'm like, it's cool, it's cool, it's cool.

So we go to her house and we are like hanging out at her house. And she goes, you got any other stuff? And I said, well, I wrote this song with uh with with zig there was two or three that i hadn't played her yet and ziggy had this song called girls girls girls times three and i was you know like there's a motley crue song girls girls so we we stripped the the the lyrics off and whatever and i'd sang all you are on that and so i said,

listen to it. And so she really liked it. And we just put the times three on the end just to sort of, uh, hint that this was Zig's previous song. We'll talk more about Ziggy later in this program, because, uh, when I,

when I talk about your new stuff, I want to talk about Ziggy. So we're going to definitely be chatting about, uh, the late great Ziggy there. But all that you are, do you want to give me a little taste of like how it came together? Like just a little behind the scenes? Because it's a hell of a single.

Well, I think it was like really when I was working on it, it was something that some songs come to you quickly. Sometimes some songs take a long time. This one came really fast. And the way the songwriting process for me works is that I tend to just be available and hopefully the lyrics and the melody come to me and it just really came to me. And I think the line that I like the most in the song is, I'm a liar, believe me baby that's great that's great

so these tours again with KISS and Foo Fighters and Green Day, these are like those like you mentioned, they're kind of like Edge Fest type radio festival tours, those tours? Yes. Okay, gotcha. KISS. KISS was like a direct support. We did

a Canadian tour when they put the makeup back on in 97 and then we did the Psycho Circus tour throughout the US with them in I think that was 99 or 98. And yeah, so that was direct support. The other ones with the food was radio.

We did also Stabbing Westward, God Lives Underwater, direct support to both those bands. Well, you know, your sound is similar to the Stabbing Westward, that kind of like, I don't know, it almost sounds like that sound of like, there's the distortion on the voice. What is that? Like some kind of like, it's almost like you're phoning it in. Like not that you're not trying, but like,

what's that effect called that I'm hearing in songs like that? We would distort it. We tried to do a lot of different things. It's, again, experimenting with the sound. There is a song, though, actually on Devil You Know called Hollow Man, and Sylvia was like, come on, Trevor,

what's this about? And I was like, well, you know, I'm kind of like calling somebody and just telling them sort of like my flippant version of life and she goes kind of like a phone call and i was like yeah so she quickly went and made a microphone out of an old school like dial-up phone you know the handle parts so she wired it then she put a pillow on the couch covered me in a comforter cranked the tv news to stun put headphone on one ear put the phone on she goes sing it there and that's how i sang it was laying on the couch see that's what i want to hear man this this is behind the scenes here

wow okay so before i get off the devil you know because i actually have another song i could ask you because i'm like i got trevor hurst hest. I can have him as long as I want. I can ask him anything. I got more questions. You get another Juno Nom for this album, right? The Devil You Know. Yes. You ever going to win one of these things or what?

What's the story there? You know, it's kind of tough. There's some pretty big bands we go up against every time we get nominated. Do you remember who beats you? Like, do you remember? Is it like, who's beating you? Um, I think it was one

time. It was the Tea Party, maybe, and maybe Nickelback. I'm not sure. Okay, yeah. Those are big fucking bands. Absolutely. Yes, they're big fucking bands. But you know, the thing is, just, I know people say, but it is an honor to be nominated,

to be recognized amongst your peers and really like the Junos are just fun to be a part of. Especially back then it was a lot of every label had its own little party and it was a really good time. You played live too, that Juno Awards,

right? Wow, that June Awards, right? Wow, that was crazy. So that was not scheduled. What had happened was Celine Dion, I have to thank for that, she was supposed to sing, couldn't make it. They put us in at the last minute, and we played the whole song, All You Are, which was wonderful. And I think the highlight of that night if I may share this was Robbie Robertson

came up to me after we sang and played that performance and said in the Robbie Robertson voice, the coolest voice in rock that isn't easy to do man good job and it was just like holy cow

Robbie Robertson somewhere good job you know and it was just like holy god like robbie robertson you know yeah somewhere down the crazy river exactly yeah it was wicked it was wicked it was so cool to meet him and to just talk about music it was wonderful well i didn't know that it was like how spontaneous is it like how much you just said hey you guys are playing like what there's just like there's guitars lying around there's a drum kit lying around you? You just said, hey, you guys are playing? Like, what? There's just like, there's guitars lying around. There's a drum kit lying around. You're just like, we'll use this. And you just go?

It was pretty quick. We had maybe a day's notice. It was like, we were in town. Okay, that's a long time. Come on, Trevor. Come on. I thought it was like, it's an hour. You guys are doing it.

Are you kidding me? It's so crazy performing on TV versus performing anywhere else because you've got to be so quiet. It's so different. It's so different. Well, that's interesting. Okay. See, this is the shit I don't know anything about.

Okay, cool, cool, cool. Now, I have a great question coming out about another great Canadian producer, but I am going to take this opportunity to kick out one of my favorite Econoline Crush songs. So let's play a bit of this and see if there's any behind-the-scenes stories from Trevor Hurst. Sometimes I feel I'm going under You don't feel I'm living at all Give me hope, give me something to believe in

This dreaded heart was never enough You don't know me You know you never will can't see inside me lost out on the thrill killed by ambition

sacrifice for fame one more time one last time you know man this still sounds great in my headphones right now. Congratulations, man. Thank you so much. That song's a really special song for us.

For a multitude of reasons, you know. We were on tour with the Tea Party. We were playing the Commodore. And we got to meet Shannon Hoon of Blind Melon, who was in town for some reason. And when I was working on the song Sparkle and Shine, there was an article in Spin talking about his life and subsequent

death. And I read it and I was like, wow. Like, wow. Because really, you know, the B song had been really big. They had got a lot of traction with that. It's called No Rain, Trevor. The B song. It's the No Rain.

Okay, sorry, sorry. The No Rain. But, like, the fact that when their sophomore album came out, sorry. There was no rain. The fact that when their sophomore album came out, there was like no traction at radio. And Shannon had a baby girl, and he had just completed rehab.

They said, you've got to go on the road. We're not seeing the numbers. We want to see you. You've got to go on the road. You've got to get out there. It was too much. There was too much pressure too too soon and he ended up overdosing on the bus and i thought you know i love rock and roll i love this but like these guys they don't care we could be fram air filters for all they care right what a tragic story but here's a little bit of a mind blow before i get back to that uh follow-up album by blind melon but the mind blow is remember earlier we were talking about that

closer together with sass jordan by the box and we're discussing the video and i'm like i'm conflating it because i see people on a building singing like from the Don't Cry video. Do you remember this? Yeah, and he was up there with Axl. He was fucking up there with Axl Rose singing in the video for Don't Cry on the same building I was picturing when you talked about the box. Yeah.

Crazy, right? That's fucked up. Like... But it's... He was from like... So he was from Axl's hometown, like some tiny little town in Indiana. But I had no idea you were going to bring up Shannon

Hoon in this episode. I just didn't know until you did it. And then I realized I've already pictured his face during this conversation. Yeah. And then the other interesting thing with the song was when we initially went to radio and went to all these different formats, there was a lot of pushback on it. This kind of music, you know, five years, it's vapor.

It's gone like smoke. Nobody's going to care. And I really love the fact that we're sitting here all these years later talking about that song. No, it still hits me. But again, the whole decade of the 90s, I was listening to so much Canadian alt rock. Like I'm thinking of my buds from Rusty. Okay.

I'm thinking of the Killjoys. I'm good. All these bands were my, that was my music. And, you know, I'll be the big ones like Sloan and, you know,

you name it, but yeah, a condolence crush is on that list. And it's kind of a mind blow to me that like, I look back at like the nineties, I'm listening to all these jams that like one day, like one day, I wish I could go back 25 years ago.

Like one day, like Trevor Hurst will like chat with you remotely and answer any and all questions you have about a Connelly Crush. And you guys can listen to these jams together and you can talk to him about it. Like that kind of messes me up too. Like when I think about that. That's the greatest thing about life.

You never know. You never know what's coming right around the corner. And that's why I'm always like, you know, when people are, we definitely carry a very strong message right now about, you know, thinking about, you know, if you have suicidal ideation and having a rough time, checking in on your friends, checking in with these people because you just don't know what's around the corner.

You don't know what amazing things await. Life is just a mystery and the connections and the energies, it's just, yeah, hang in there is our message. Just stick with it because you never know. Absolutely. And with regards to Blind Melon know. Absolutely. And, uh, with regards to blind melon in that, you know,

commercially disappointing followup, uh, to the no rain album, whatever that was called. I can't remember, but the, the album that we're talking about, it's called soup and I prefer it to the one with all the radio hits on it.

Like I actually prefer it like soup and drag my toes across the floor and all this. Like I prefer it, but, uh, you know, I guess, you you know money changes everything uh was that cindy lopper but anyways you know is it wu-tang or whatever like uh cash ruin cash money ruins everything yeah yeah you know it doesn't and and you know again like look at, look at the sentiment around Sparkle and Shine

and even our band as a whole. Like, oh, you know, playing with this industrial sound and with these extra keyboard tracks was, you know, kind of verboten at the time. Now, you know, it's the norm. And I think, too, like, they rushed the gun. Like, these record company guys got panicked, forced the kid out there, the kid dies, and then you think they're going to put any more money in promotion they bury the record but it is a great record it's a beautiful record it's a great record so the devil you know

at that point in your career you guys are working with bruce allen like how did that come to be you heard uh tears are not enough and you said give me the guy you helped organize this thing. No, it was for my mom. I wanted the guy that was going to rep Anne Murray. No, actually, it was when we were in the studio with Sylvia. Sylvia and I were sitting in there one night. She's like, Trevor, why don't we make a list of really good managers? So we made a list of five guys that we thought,

or five individuals that we thought would be appropriate. Sent them all the music with letter and stuff. But Bruce was kind of my target because of his Vancouver base, his kind of style of being really aggressive. I thought, you know, it'll be great to have somebody in your corner that's a bit of a pitbull. And he didn't initially get it but i was relentless in my pursuit of him as a manager and i really you know respect his skills set and his organization and i just uh yeah i just kept on him and he finally reneged or whatever you want to say he finally was like uncle okay fine he capitulated capitulated

that's the word i'm looking for thank you yes five dollar word okay you remember in pulp fiction in pulp fiction they talk about the five dollar shake okay and i love pulp fiction around the corner i got like a poster like it was love it 1994 though and the whole scene around it better be fucking good for a five dollar shake it's funny that like now I think, oh, what a bargain price for a milkshake, $5. Like that's so cheap. Yeah, right. Holy. All right, I digress.

Okay, listen, I want to know. So Bruce Allen, he's the reason that you ended up working with Bob Rock? Yes, yes. It was, so when we had finished The Devil You Know When we wrote You Don't Know What It's Like We were kind of in between albums

And I was very worried That we wouldn't Get an album done in a timely manner There was a lot going on And I really liked the song So I went down to Restless Records at the time, and Joe Regis and Bill Hine were running that label.

And I convinced them that they should record this song, and we should use Bob Rock, because Ziggy had actually played, Ziggy Zygmunt had played in Rockhead with Bob and had a relationship, and I just thought Bob sounded really big, and I wanted to have a big sounding song. So we convinced them to let us do it

for the soundtrack of this. Do you remember there's a movie called Heavy Metal? I think it was like The cartoon? Yeah. Of course. I've seen it many times. It was the sequel to that. Rock and Rule. Is it called Rock and Rule? No, maybe not. You tell your story. Is it called Rock and Rule? Or am I dreaming? No, maybe not.

You tell your story. Is it an acronym? F-A-K-K? Heavy Metal? Some kind of acronym? Okay, I might have missed the sequel, but okay. So I've got a couple songs on there. I've got one that I co-wrote with Billy Idol,

and then we've got this one, You Don't Know What It's Like. So we recorded that. Which I'm going to play in a second, by the way. Keep going. The crazy thing was, I really wanted to be on the soundtrack. But then, just as I'm leaving the door, Bill Hine hands me this book. And he says, maybe we should get you on this soundtrack.

And I go, this looks really interesting. I'll read it and I'll get back to you. And I mean, I read it overnight. I just was so obsessed with it. And I was like, I really, really want to be on this soundtrack, man. I want this so bad. And it ended up going to the Dust Brothers, the whole entire thing. And the movie was Fight Club.

Wow. The first DVD I ever bought was Fight Club, by the way. First DVD I ever bought. Amazing movie. Yeah. So, but yeah, we got to work with Bob Rock and it was a wonderful experience and the resulting song like I'm so happy with it you know it's so great

okay let me get to the big jam here because then I got more questions about it and I have a great question that came in from Basement Dweller he has a specific question about you working with Bob Rock but let's kick out this monster jam did you give up did it get easier did all those things you want wanted come together in the end Was I the one?

Was I even there? Did you ever really notice how I never really cared? She smiled, looked at me and said You don't know what it's like You don't know what it's like I feel like nothing at all You don't know what it's like

What it's like, what it's like Did you forget? That's a big jam, eh, Trev? Yeah, yeah. So the place that that landed, though, in Canada, was really unique, and it was something that I don't know if a lot of people know about this but in the big shiny tunes world every label got a chance to rotate through so BMG would get it Sony

would get it you know and then PMI got it now it generally contained all the hits of the current day it's that hits, hits that it charted. Well, our song had never been released until it went on Big Shiny Tunes. So it's the only really original single that wasn't charted before it was released on there. Well, I mean, I've had, there's multiple episodes of Toronto Mike

just diving into the Big Shiny Tunes universe. But this is number four. That includes You Don't Know What It's Like. I did not know that it was on Big Shiny Tunes before it was a hit. Yeah. So it's unusual, right? But we were very confident that it was a strong song. And it took a lot of heavy lifting because that was against the rules.

That wasn't how the Big Shiny Tunes franchise was supposed strong song. And it took a lot of heavy lifting because that was against the rules. That wasn't how the Big Shiny Tunes franchise was supposed to work. But we were really fortunate to get on there. And yeah, I think that sold a lot of copies that Big Shiny Tunes for. I think you might be right. So do you guys see any of the Big Shiny Tunes money? How does that work?

Do you guys get a like a slice a sliver um i think it operates the way that the music business usually operates with uh little to no be coming back to the bands you know i don't know well this is the real talk i talk to a lot of musicians uh you know who tell me that like they want to be paid back for the video and they want to be paid back for this and that. And it's almost like they've given you a loan. And then they, so by the end of the day, there's like,

if anything, you owe them money. Oh man, absolutely. I don't even know what the debit balance is over there, but you know, that's, you know,

but that's fucked up. Like the, the, balance is over there but that's you know that's you know but that's fucked up like the the the artist gets squeezed in that in that complex there that's bullshit it is bullshit you know it's a lot like the days back when you were a contract actor at you know

at the major picture yeah absolutely oh my god okay well it angers me just because you know i'll take i don't know i'll make up a band but like a big band that you're hearing on your rate you're watching on much music we should shout out much music we talk big shiny tunes for but like my two primary sources for music in the 90s was like much music and cfny like these were the two sources or whatever and sometimes something was big on both. You guys were big on both.

But you're on my TV. You're in my Sony Walkman. And I just assume you're driving a Bentley and smoking Cuban cigars and then you find out later, you'll talk to, I don't know,

a Chris Murphy from Sloan or something. And then you get the real numbers and you're like that is fucked up it is and and you know like the biggest one that hit me i think because i assume okay we get you know we kind of get messed uh you know things get screwed up in the world of rock but pop must really work i mean come on and but do you remember when TLC won a Grammy and then said we're broke? I kind of remember this, but I definitely remember TLC's heyday, but yeah.

Like Waterfall was a huge song. It was everywhere. There were so many TLC songs, Scrubs, all that stuff. And it just, it was shocking, shocking. Because the game is rigged it's rigged it's completely rigged and you're you're supposed to keep up with appearances so they're wearing all these fancy clothes they're doing all this stuff they're buying all these things and you can't keep up like it's just impossible for us it was you know you you get

whatever 20 cents on the dollar and all of that 20 cents on the dollar goes back against everything that they spent on you that's until it's recouped well that's the rig part like in theory if you were to build this from scratch using common sense like you'd think the label would cover the cost of the promotion which would include the video that's the big marketing vehicle etc and but the whole idea that they bill you back for it from the back end, that's a scam. This is like you're in a multi-level marketing scam here. But you're producing art that's consumed by so many people like myself. And I'm the one going to Sam the Record Man or HMV and coughing up $17.99 for the CD.

Yeah. And then like, you know, all the, all the videos, all the dinners, all the flights, all the stuff, like every time the record labels taking you out to Tojo's in Vancouver for some wicked sushi, you're paying for it.

Right. It's like, I go to the bank to pay my taxes or something. And they're like, you know, you qualify. I get this every time, you know,

you qualify for some, some stuff and they go, yeah, we have, I'll make it up. We have $20,000 in credit for you.. I get this every time. You qualify for some stuff, and they go, yeah, we have. I'll make it up. We have $20,000 in credit for you, and I'm like, I'm too smart for that shit because I'm going to go spend that money, and then you're going to ask for it back with interest.

Yeah, exactly, exactly, yeah. It's a wild process. I saw something the other day on listing the five, you know, most treacherous industries to get involved in, and the music industry, I think, was number two. What's number one? Do you remember? I think it was the Cosa Nostra.

Yeah, that or the guy who drives the dynamite truck or whatever. I don't know. Exactly, yeah. So Basement Dweller wrote in and said, and I'll read his question and maybe you have a story or two, but he says, what was it like working with Bob Rock

on several tracks for Econoline Crush's brand new history album? Did he tell you any good stories about some of his other production clients? None that I could probably, no idea, yeah, no. But I can tell you that we came in

on that process, they just, he just did a Metallica thing with an orchestra and he had wires going into his living room in his house to mic up the orchestra and all this stuff for Metallica. And yeah, I mean, let's just say he really enjoyed working with us. He thought that it was a lot of fun.

And it was just really, working with Bob is like, he really pushes you. I'll give you an example. There's a song we have called Make It Right. And when we brought it to Bob, the verse was half tempo. So like half the lyrics and at half the speed so longer notes and he looked at me and he says you know what trip I'm gonna go make a sandwich I'd like you to take the first verse and the second verse and combine it into the first verse and then write a whole new second verse and I'll see you in a bit and I was like holy cow so that's like double timing my melody right and then creating a whole new second verse. And I'll see you in a bit. And I was like, holy cow.

So that's like double-timing my melody. Right. And then creating a whole new double-time melody second verse. But he was right. He was right. Yeah, absolutely he was right. Someday we're going to make it right. Someday we're going to win this fight.

Someday we're going to make it right. Someday we're going win this fight Someday we're gonna make it right Someday we're gonna win this fight Broken are their little wings, falling from above What am I supposed to think? I don't think I know enough Hurry, don't be late today Not for what is lost Hurry, don't delay a thing

You almost got a lot I know you'll be coming round Finding your way I know you'll be coming around But in your eyes Yeah, we're gonna make it right We're gonna win this fight And I don't know why it took me oh so long to get here Yeah, we're gonna make it right Someday we're gonna win this fight

Yeah, and I don't know why To feel so lonely to get here Broken are the little strings They can hold you up Waiting on your patron saint I don't think you'll be enough Hurry, don't be late today You know what you've done

Hurry, don't delay a today. You know what you've done. Hurry, don't delay a thing. Look what you have won. I know you'll be coming round. But I'm in your eyes. I hope you popped open a fresh can of Great Lakes beer for this chat with Trevor Hurst from Econoline Crush. I'm totally digging it. Thank you, GLB. Delicious craft beer brewed right here

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And last but not least, shout out to Ridley Funeral Home. Pillars of this community since 1921. Let's get back to Trev. And just the little things too, like the one thing I would like to say about him as well is that when we were finishing up, you don't know what it's like, and Ziggy and I were sitting there.

Bob goes, you know, Zig goes, I think when we finished the last bit of the mix or whatever, Ziggy just is jumping up and down. He goes, it's Bill USA. You know, he was all excited. And Bob goes, well, that's kind of irrelevant. And we're sitting, you know, in a mansion in Maui with an infinity pool. It looks over the ocean.

That's kind of irrelevant. But he says, you know where the real magic is, is the process. And at the time, I thought that was a bunch of hooey. But now I realize that all of my really, really amazing memories, my really, really cherished moments are when the things that are in your head are coming out of the speakers and the challenges that you overcame with your band members to make that happen. The process is everything. It's everything. Amazing. Now, again, very soon, I want to chat with you in depth here a little more about Ziggy. And I want to talk about When the Devil Drives. And I got a little bit of No Quitter I'm going to play. Maybe I'll play a

lot of it. I dig it. But this is an opportunity for me to ask you about your other career. And I learned about this. I want to shout out Bob Lillette, who's here later today. But Bob's a good buddy, good FOTM. And I heard you chatting with him about nursing. Can you just share with us your work as a nurse?

You were working with the Dakota people. Give me that story before we get to No Quitter. Well, you know, as you know, when the music industry changed uh and there was a lot more um downloading and a lot less uh opportunity to sort of derive revenue from your album sales and stuff and i had two young boys and i was about to get divorced and i got really kind of scared about like can i provide for these guys I don't want to be an absentee father. And so I, and you know, after doing all this music and stuff, I went back to university and I got a degree in, in science and psychiatric nursing. So I became a registered

psychiatric nurse. Wow. And it was a challenge, really, really, really challenging for me. Cause I'm not, it's not like I'm like a scholarly individual, but I, you know, I just got into it and did it. But at the same time, my mother was going through cancer and she passed before I could graduate. So I didn't want to get it. I couldn't get a job right away. I mean, I just couldn't work. I didn't know what I was going to do, actually. And a friend of mine suggested that I apply at Chinooko Opitakota

Nation, which is just in Southwest Manitoba. And that experience changed my life. Like it changed my life to such a great degree because I went there kind of like an atheist. I went there without any faith. And I left there knowing that there is something greater than us and knowing that there's a purpose for every one of us. And the elders told me, you know, your purpose, we love you here and we love you working here, but you were given a gift to write songs. You connect with people. You've got to go out and do this. And it's really, it was their encouragement

along with other people's encouragement, but a lot of it came from this community to get back and do what you love and what you're made to do. Wow, that's amazing. And are you still a practicing nurse? I am, right now no i i you can you can there's they allow you to like put your um registration on hold or whatever so i i put my license on hold and and just went full tilt into into uh into music and so that's what i'm

doing right now and trying to trying to make a go of it. And in some ways, having kind of the reason I got, I'm glad I went to nursing, I'm glad I did all that. But sometimes you just have to say fuck it and just go for it. And so that's what I'm doing right now is just going for it. And I think it's liberating and it feels good and it's what we're supposed to be doing, right? Well, we've spent a lot of time in this episode looking back. But let's get to 2023. Let's kick out No Quitter. And then on the other side, I got a lot of questions about the new stuff.

And then I want to talk about Ziggy. But here, let's kick this out. That's right, boy. That badge, this uniform, these boots. Uniformed police officer. TDM, dude. You understand me?

This is TDM, isn't it? Oh, you know what? You're right. Okay, you know what? We're going to call an audible on the line of scrimmage. It's okay. That's weird. You're right. You know what? I cut that out the first time I played it, when I played TDM off the top. I actually edited that out just because I thought, whatever. But what is that? Is that dialogue from a movie? What is that? There's a little bit of some really, really obscure indie movie that Rob had.

And then also Natural Born Killers. of some really, really obscure indie movie that Rob had. And then also Natural Born Killers. Oh, that's what that is. Okay, Oliver Stone there. All right, so that's wild. But you know what? And I should tell you, one of the charms of Toronto Mic is that I won't edit anything.

So this is all, I'm not going to clean this up. But I am going to kick out what I meant to kick out. Here we go. God damn boy, you better get a move on You can't stay here, you can barely get your shoes on You're wasted, it's okay, just that kind of day Spending all my time thinking how I'm gonna pay The bank, the bills, the rent, the pills Alimony, sad story, was it closing in on me? Oh, I ain't no quitter

No quitter Oh, I ain't no quitter No quitter Oh, I ain't no quitter. I ain't no quitter. No quitter. I ain't no quitter. No quitter. This is fresh meat.

This is new Econoline Crush. Yes, it is. Talk to me about this jam here. This is what? This is the lead single from the brand new Econoline Crush album, which, of course, is everybody. Of course, I know what it is called. What is the name of the new album, When the Devil Drives?

Part of a quote, if you look it up, I think it's supposed to be the oldest known quotation, might be attributed to Shakespeare. The quote is, needs must when the devil drives.

And it was one of Ziggy's favorite quotes. Well, let's talk about Ziggy here. Well, let me ask, firstly, my condolences, because Ziggy passed away just last year, right? Thank you. Yes, he did. I'm so sorry.

Thank you. I actually got the... So at Christmas time, we were trying to figure out who was going to mix the record during the holidays. And Ziggy was trying to get his house in order. He was having some struggles with depression and addiction. And just, you know, I mean mean this business is hard this business is so

hard and and for those beautiful souls that make beautiful music sometimes it's just too hard and i don't know exactly what went wrong or what happened but he was um he was out in in an in his like he had an rv that he had that he was kind of staying in and it was all decked out for him and it was really kind of cool and he was going to go to california and travel you know back and forth between studios and just kind of stay in this thing and make some rock rock and uh so i had um had kept it at my place in manitoba for him and registered there because it was just easier than if something happened it would be you know in that my name and then we had it in storage in in the interior and so he had gone to try and get himself to get some help. We were looking for a mixer. Miraculously, a friend of mine sent the music to Jack Joseph Twig. Jack Joseph agreed to mix it, which I was shocked, but very, very happy. So 15 minutes before we went to listen to the

final mixes, I got a phone call from the insurance company saying that they had found my, you know, it was his RV, but they, you know, this RV registered my name in downtown Vancouver. And I said, okay, and I got to go. And then they told me to sit down. And they said they found a body in the front. Oh, my God.

And so I knew it was him. And that was hard, man. It was hard. But we went and we listened to the music, you know, and Jack was really sweet. He allowed me my time to grieve. He played some of the songs, and we listened to all of it, and then he let me just talk a bit.

And, you know, it's one of those things like, I guess we all have to have these losses in our life to learn and appreciate what you have. But from that day forward, I don't take a damn thing for granted. Nope. Okay. So fucking sorry. And I mean, for those who don't know ziggy so in addition to

playing guitar for econoline crush i guess like 97 to 2002 and then rejoining back in 2010 like he's the guitarist in slow oh the guy's a rock legend he was a innovator he was a you know the way that he played guitar was what attracted me to wanting i followed him around in vancouver when he was in the scramblers um and was like dude you got to be in my band please be in my band i i everything about everything about the way he performed everything about the way he wrote worked with me if we connected on a level that was it was different and I've never

met anybody like him and I probably will never meet anybody like him again he was just that special and so it was crushing to me and just he was the first call I made every time I went out to Vancouver you know to go hang and

it just, but it, but, and, and also I have my, you know, my background with, or my new background, you know, in psych nursing and stuff, it, you've, it just, I know that it's hard and I've seen this before and it's just, sometimes people become overwhelmed and that's why sort of throughout this new tour and this things that are going on my my mission is just to tell people like please i know that sometimes it just seems like you can't go on but there is opportunities and there are things that can can work for you just you know don't take a permanent solution to a temporary problem we can fix this shit and that's what that's what we'll do, you know.

And carry his memory with us everywhere we go and everywhere we play. That's like a beautiful tribute to Ziggy. And for the FOTMs listening, Art Bergman's been on the show a couple of times. Ziggy played of art too. So it's, like you said, I think maybe

here in Toronto, we might have a little ignorance with some of the legends of the west coast of this great country and Ziggy, man, just a staple of that old rock scene for decades and decades. Yeah. Yeah, yeah.

Anybody that ever saw him play the guitar live You know, he used to describe it as a freeform freakout And I couldn't wait for the freeform freakout every night I'd egg him on and egg him on and egg him on Like come on, come on, come on And like I still think when I'm up on the stage You know, when I'm doing it I can look over to my right

And I can imagine him egging me on and making me want to go harder. And even last night I had this feeling he's here, he's, he's pushing me, you know, and he's making, he's making the show better. And he had a close connection with everybody in our group. And, and that's, that's the coolest thing. And, you know, it just, uh, yeah, it sucks that he's not here, but I tell you, like the indigenous community, the Chinupuapka, the Dakota people, I know that he's with us, and I believe in that,

and it keeps me sane sometimes, knowing that I have that connection. Now, Trevor, you're on this Western Canadian, Western Canada road trip right now, and I would urge all listeners west of Manitoba should check you out live and find out where they can see you. But the big question I have and the big question Amber Healy wrote me about this morning. The big question is, any plans to tour closer to the big smoke here? And then literally the big smoke this week because...

I know. You guys are in some kind of like... We had that out here. It's insane, isn't it? It seems like it's apocalyptic when it rolls in. Well, it's... So I biked through it like an idiot

and I can still feel in my throat like I was at a bonfire, like I was at a campfire too long. Like, you know, it's just... It can't be good for your lungs. No, it's not. I think I saw some report the other day that said, like, when it was going through Edmonton, spending the day outside was like smoking seven and a half cigarettes. Wow.

Seriously. But like, so yes, we are coming out that way. This is, you know, a classic, which I love. This is an album campaign. So this is like multiple a classic which I love this is an album campaign so this is like multiple tours and multiple things we finished this western run I know there's some confirmed dates of that

way I know there's dates in Toronto they're not announced yet but when they will be announced we're doing some on our own some with friends and yeah I can't wait everywhere we've gone, it's kind of been really fun too, because it's been,

been some time since we played the COVID thing, you know, kind of kept people, you know, obviously away from music. So there's this hunger for live music. So all of it kind of came together in a really cool time. And the audiences are a blast,

like a blast. It's so much fun i know it's so nice that we go see live music again i i love it man so i can't wait till you roll through the big smoke here check you out but thanks for doing this like what a great chat good luck with the new album love the new song even though i played them i played an early i fucked up the song but i found it on your youtube channel and uh sounds great And thanks, Trevor, for doing this. Thanks, Mike. I enjoyed it and I look forward to doing it again.

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Cause my UI check has just come in Ah, where you been? Because everything is kind of rosy and green Yeah, the wind is cold, but the snow won't stay the day. And your smile is fine and it's just like mine and it won't go away. Cause everything is rosy and gray. Well, you've been under my skin for more than eight years. It's been eight years of laughter and eight years of tears.

And I don't know what the future can hold or will do for me and you. But I'm a much better man for having known you. Oh, you know that's true Because everything is coming up Rosy and gray Yeah, the wind is cold But the smell of snow Won't stay today And your smile is fine

And it's just like mine And it won't go away Because everything is rosy and gray well I've been told that there's a sucker born every day but I wonder who yeah I wonder who

maybe the one who doesn't realize there's a thousand shades of gray cause I know that's true yes I do Maybe the one who doesn't realize There's a thousand shades of grey Cause I know that's true, yes I do I know it's true, yeah I know it's true How about you? Oh, they're picking up trash and they're putting down roads

And they're brokering stocks, the class struggle explodes And I'll play this guitar just the best that I can Maybe I'm not and maybe I am But who gives a damn because Everything is coming up rosy and gray Yeah, the wind is cold, but the smell of snow warms me today And your smile is fine, and it's just like mine And it won't go away, because everything is rosy and gray

Well, I've kissed you in France, and I've kissed you in France and I've kissed you in Spain And I've kissed you in places I better not name And I've seen the sun go down on Chaclacour But I like it much better going down on you Yeah, you know that's true

Because everything is coming up Rosy and green Yeah, the wind is cold But the smell of snow Warms us today And your smile is fine And it's just like mine And it won't go away

Cause everything is rosy now, everything is rosy and Everything is rosy and gray Thank you.