Toronto Mike'd: The Official Toronto Mike Podcast - Watch It, Buddy! Remembering Peter Silverman: Toronto Mike'd #928

Episode Date: October 9, 2021

Mike chats with Cristina Tenaglia, Peter Gross, Lorne Honickman, and Marc Weisblott about the passing of Peter Silverman.

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Peter, did I call you too early? No, the number came in as Atlanta Northeast. What the hell is that? That's my Google phone number so I could call from my computer. Oh, okay. I thought it was some kind of crank call telling me that I want a free cruise that will only cost me $4,000. What can you share with me about the late, great Peter Silverman?

You know, it's interesting. Two weeks ago, I went to a memorial for Dick Smythe. You know, it's interesting. Two weeks ago, I went to a memorial for Dick Smythe. Dick Smythe and Peter Silverman, two of the most extraordinary broadcast journalists of the last 50 years. They both had in common this absolute self-confidence, this assuredness of who they were and what they needed to say. I was somewhat closer to Smite than I was to Silverman, although I did recently post on Facebook a very amusing story that I did with Silverman where I took him to the racetrack because at the time, Silverman was the financial reporter for City Pulse.

And I think anyone who sees the piece, Deedee Petty throws to us and says there couldn't be two people less similar than Peter Gross and Peter Silverman. Silverman knows how to invest properly in your financial future, and Gross thinks investing properly is betting the triactor in the ninth race. On the world according to Gross, in the city paul shop it's very difficult to find two people more different than peter gross and peter silverman the latter

a hard-nosed student of finance the other things that the ninth triactor is high finance so it was interesting when the two got together on the same story the woodbine shopping mall which is a big regional mall is a new concept in retailing. For example, it's an integrated entertainment unit. Now, Silverman, why are you doing this story? Well, it's a new economic concept in malls, Peter. Now, you're missing the point about this place. There's a point?

Yeah. It's right across from Woodbine Racetrack. The track? Right across from the track. That's the point. Seriously, Silverman, if you're going to declare yourself an expert in the economics of the country, you have to come to the racetrack because the movement of money is like a microcosm of the real economic world. Yeah, something for nothing. Peter, I'm going to give you five bucks, okay? And if you blow it away, there's a wall around here and you're going to bounce off it, okay?

Kind of you. It's not kind of me. It's just the nasty, vicious way am most money would agree now peter here in the jocks room some of the most amazing athletes in the world these jockeys are the most physically fit human beings in all sport and this will really appeal to you peter These guys make more money than virtually every other Canadian athlete. I want to tell you something, Pete. Money, I can understand. Small, I see the attraction.

Peter, here's something that will appeal to your penny pigeon attitude. Look at this. Coach today, only 10 cents. Put that on my tab, okay? And over here. Hey, it's Fender. Yeah. My thoughts, only 50 cents.

Big deal day today. Just a minute, Peter. You know what this is called? Good merchandising. suck them in get them over the windows that's right let's go bet the same i got a winner we've got a winner do you believe that the tooth bearer peter what one are you gonna bet number five it looks like a big strong healthy horse out there now i can't go with the five horse why not not? Because it won its last race. Won its last race? Yeah. Who are you going to back? I like the one horse. Why? Because it lost its last race. This is economics where you're backing losers? No, this is handicapping, Peter. This is stupidity.

What do you bet here? Is this your lucky window? No, I've got the prettiest ticket seller here. I knew there was a reason. One, six, seven. Is that it? Is that it? Is that it? Come on, stay up there with that one. Stay up there with that one. Oh, oh, you're done. He just got nailed. Just got nailed. No, he just got nailed.

Don't worry about it, okay? It was a good race. Just got, oh, oh. The important thing, Peter, is not to get discouraged just because you lost a few bucks your first time out of the track. Peter, I'll put my money into gics it's guaranteed yeah but if you cash here you get your money so much quicker listen don't be down on it right away i'll tell you what you get another opportunity tonight we can go to greenwood if you like greenwood yeah they got the trots down there peter are you gonna bum another 20 for this no no i'll tell you what you got your car here yep

i know where there's a 24-hour bank right around the corner. You're out of your bird, Peter. We could be flushed. You're nuts, Peter. I know. But Silverman was just an amazing character. Everyone's very familiar with that catchphrase, watch it, buddy, which is just a symbol of just how courageous he was because doing the consumer beat, you know,

the Silverman helps beat that he was on in which he fought for consumers and got ripped off. You've got to have a lot of guts because you're confronting a lot of unpleasant people. What year did Peter Silverman arrive at City TV? I think it was 1981. He started as a reporter with Global and he was with City TV from 1981.

He did start as the business editor, and then they very wisely moved him up to his pinnacle of fame, which was the Silverman Helps, where, like I said, he would confront these people who had ripped off individuals, and in more cases than not get the money back or get the work done for the people. It says here, I'm looking at something on Wikipedia,

that he was fired in June 2008 by Rogers when Rogers bought City TV. Why would Rogers fire Silverman? Do you think it was just way too much old school cool? Hard to say. He would have been 67 and highly paid. And Rogers certainly went through a procedure for a few years with City TV of getting rid of the people making a lot of money.

I know that my good friend Jim McKinney was dismissed almost certainly because he was making, you know, relative to you and me, an extraordinary amount of money. So, but it's interesting. So he's fired in June of 2008. There's sort of a parallel here between Silverman and someone else named Peter who was fired by Rogers in September of 2008. So two months later, he was hired by CFRB and then started doing a show called The Peter Silverman Show. So some people in their seventh decade find work a lot easier than others. Peter, I consider you one of the great characters in our media landscape.

I always thought the same of Peter Silverman. I used to drop the watch it buddy catchphrase all the time. But do you think there's a shortage? Sincerely, do you think there's a shortage? Sincerely, do you think there's a shortage of these characters in our media beat these days? Oh, yeah, yeah. There's been a blandization. I don't know if that's a word.

Moses used to talk about casting people for his new show particularly. And he wanted a new show that reflected the whole ethnic mix in Toronto. And so that's how someone like Jojo Chinto got hired. I remember when he hired Mary Garofalo. She came in and she said, he said, what's your name? And she said, it's Mary Garofalo. And he said, no, what's your real name? And he insisted that she use her real name, like Ann Maraskowski.

He was offended by the concept that you had to anglicize your name so as not to offend the audience. Moses always went the other way. So there was that great period in the late 70s and 80s, I guess maybe even into the 90s, where watching City Pulse wasn't so much watching a new show, but watching a set of diverse characters acting out the information of the day.

Well, they broke the mold when they made Peter Silverman. He'll be missed, and I appreciate you taking a few minutes. It sounds like you're at a playground. You're with your grandson? Yeah, my grandson likes to be outside, and the moment he shows up, it's kind of like Cheers where everybody knows your name. Graham! Graham!

So he's running around with some guys. How do you avoid the urge to play on the monkey bars? Is it difficult? He won't go from one to the next. You know how some kids will grasp one and then move to the next? But what about you? Oh, I could do that, yeah. I'm a bit of a fitness guru, you know that.

I have video evidence of you doing your age in push-ups. I have video evidence of why you'll never be a play-by-play man for any NHL team. Sorry, I had to get that in there. Pete, thanks for taking some time talking about the other Pete. I'm going through a period of reminiscing with the passing of Dick Smythe and Peter Silverman. Those were guys that had so much life in them, it's hard to imagine them gone. Now, Peter Silverman lived to 90. How old was the great Dick Smythe when he passed?

He might have been 87 or 88. I'm thinking about that. Like, I know. It's funny. Go ahead. Sorry, sorry. You know that I talk a lot about my mother, who's 98 and in perfect health, and I phoned her today, and I said,

did you know that Peter Silverman died? And she said, how old was he? And I said, he was 90. And she goes, wow, that's old. See, I'm conflicted here because I don't want to see any interesting, I don't want to see anyone die, okay? But if I could have a great 90 years, I think I'd take it. Yeah, you're not cheated if you live to be 90. I'm getting closer to that.

You got a while to go there, buddy. You got a couple of decades to go. But long may you run, and we'll miss the great Peter Silverman. Yes, we will. It's an extraordinary man. I'm Peter Silverman for City Pulse. If you need help solving problems, write Silverman Helps and care of City TV, 299 Queen Street West.

Peter Silverman passed away. And continuing the history here, where an FOTM, that is a guest of the Toronto Mike podcast, has yet to die. You spent several years in negotiation, right? You were even going to do a groundbreaking remote episode when you refused to do them. Did I tell you that?

It came up over the years. So what happened was I actually just today when I heard Peter Silverman from City Pulse who had the, of course, Silverman Helps segment, Consumers Affair Program on City Pulse. And of course, I was a big fan of Peter Silverman. Watch it, buddy. I've been saying watch it, buddy, for decades now. That's something I literally say because of that clip that we heard from Retro Ontario there.

But I just want to, I looked into my, I went to Gmail and I searched for his email address because we had a back and forth correspondence and he was telling me he had just moved to Coburg. This is, I don't know, about five years ago or something. He had just moved to Coburg and he wasn't in Toronto very much. And then I said to him, and this is way pre-COVID and broke all my rules,

but for Peter Silverman, I was more than happy to do this. I said, listen, we can do it on the phone or Skype. He was just, I was just looking at the correspondence. He said he didn't understand Skype, but I said, we can just have a phone call and have a conversation over the phone. That's how badly I wanted Peter Silverman on the program. It never happened, obviously.

And you're right, it is a little strange that these close calls, and he was 90 years. It's not like he was suddenly taken from us at a very young age. Peter Silverman was 90. But he never did appear on the show. We've yet to lose a guest of Toronto Mic'd and we're almost at 10 years of podcasting. I'll have my own 10 year anniversary in August. And I'm not suggesting by any means I'm keeping anybody alive

but it is a very interesting coincidence. I remember Peter Silverman who was a real tough guy talking about the fact that at one point he served in the Israeli army so I don't know if there's a full obituary out there but he was a guy who was ready to fight with anybody, which made him perfect for the role on City Pulse News.

Silverman helps. He was the guy who would take your call if you were having a consumer problem. If you needed someone to be confronted, Peter Silverman would roll up his sleeves and go to battle of which the most famous fight of all was

with an optician in Toronto. Did I ever tell you who that was? The guy's name is Adam Plimmer, so it is documented. He was on the news, and he is known. I think I can say this. If he gets mad, that's fine. I believe that gentleman who was fighting with Peter Silverman

in that infamous moment where he goes, watch it, buddy, is the uncle of our mutual friend. Do you know who I'm going to say? Chris Mavridis. Chris Mavridis. Did I tell you that? Peter Silverman, at that point, basically a senior citizen. friend do you know who i'm gonna say chris mavridis chris mavridis okay so peter silverman at that point basically a senior citizen right he's willing to he's willing to go there watch it buddy physically fight any guy who's rubbed a consumer the wrong way and uh there at one point

maybe he met his match like in in in classic kayfabe style. This optician was, like, inviting him over. Do you remember this? Of course I do. Voicemail leaves a message. I love you. I want to see you. I want to make it up to you.

And then Peter Silverman enters the store with a cameraman. The guy just starts wailing on him. Yes. And, you know, you're wondering, like, is Peter Silverman okay? But, of course, he loved every moment. He was part of what Moses Neimer called the living movie. And because I think he retired from City TV with some dignity there. He's on the City TV website. I don't know if everybody's going to be afforded that sort of tribute.

You said, you mentioned here before we got going, you're going to bring this up to Ann Roszkowski. Do you think somebody who got unceremoniously tossed by the station would be treated with the same order in death as someone who was able to retire? Well, respectfully to the late, great Peter Silverman, he was fired from City TV. Oh, did that actually happen? Yeah, I remember when it happened, and I wrote about it. It was 09 or something.

Typical Rogers cleaning out a bunch of the- then even even more so right he he wanted to work the entire time he still would have been out there and don't kid yourself fighting the rogue opticians of toronto don't kid yourself if fotm gordon martineau heaven forbid something should happen to him they will have his beautiful face with those piercing blue eyes on the front of the citynews.com website. You know it. And the moral of the story, as

with every 1236 episode, if you want to have a good life, always go on Toronto Mic'd. Lorne Honickman, we lost Peter Silverman at the age of 90. Unbelievable. You know, a lot of us, I was saying this to somebody the other day,

when we die and we're all going to die, we all would like to think that the word he left a legacy or the words he left a legacy would be attached to our obituary. And not many people will get those words attached, but Peter Silverman, 1000% will get that. I mean, his, this is a man that, you know, you look at his life, university professor, a writer, a man who went to all parts of the world to help build villages and cities.

And of course, and then began his iconic feature, Silverman Helps at City TV. You know, Mike, when I, you and I talked once a couple of years ago, when you first brought me on, you know, we were talking about me starting at City TV and how lucky I was to be. And I think I used the words back then, part of the iconic group of people that were there when I started, you know, Colin Vaughn, Mark Daly, Gord Martineau, and Jojo was there, and Roszkowski. And Peter had just joined right before me. And of course, he was right in there, you know, as part of, you know, Of course, he was right in there, you know, as part of, you know, sort of the, to me back then being the young, I don't know, 23, 24 year old who was joining the team. I think Peter and Colin were what, about 50 at the time, maybe that.

And to me, you know, the elder statesman back then, but unbelievable character and a real, when you talk about an original, he was an original. Watch it, buddy. You know, everybody. I was reading, Mike, everybody, you know, they put it in quotes in every article that's been done about him, you know, the watch it, buddy. But that was silverman and he um you know he just we were able to do things back then you know when we we you know we were could laugh at each other and do all sorts of things and you know he'd always come across as the grumbling guy and you know honick and you know get the hell out of my way and whatever. But he always knew.

You could see the guy's heart. But he lived this incredible life, different than anything I ever grew up with. I remember when my kids were little, I guess seven and five I'm thinking of, and they invited us over to their place, and they lived on this farm somewhere up north. I couldn't even tell you where it was. And they asked, you know, what do you want for dinner? You know, I think we're going to have chicken. Okay. And all right, well, let's go out and get it. And what? And I, you know, we go out and Silverman takes us out and into the back and my, you know, I'm with my seven-year-old with me and silverman grabs the

live chicken by the head puts it down takes his you know takes his huge whatever it was axe knife and cuts the chicken's head on me whoa yeah this is our dinner you know and it's uh okay but that was so much with peter uh and that you know if you told that story to anybody who knew Peter, yeah, that's Silverman. So, so an original, an original, but, but what a legacy this guy, this guy leaves. And, and again, for me just to be able to say, yeah, wow, I was lucky to have known him. I was lucky to have worked with him in the years that I worked with him. And that Silverman helps feature. He did it like nobody else could. You know, we were lucky, us viewers, we were lucky that we had this station and this cast of characters that, I mean, to this day, you know, how many decades later?

Some I've actually been lucky enough to uh meet and get i would call them friends yourself peter gross and others but just the fact that we were you know able to to enjoy this uh this production there's nothing like it today no no there's nothing there's there's nothing like it and um you know a lot of people will say it was timing. It was the genius of Moses Neimer and the talent of people like Steve Kroll. But whatever it was, you know, for me, when this happened, because you think about this now, Mike, from that original newsroom now, Mark Daly is gone. Colin Vaughn's gone. Peter just died. Jeff Van Sell passed away this year.

All these people who were part of that team back then. And you just said you were lucky enough to meet. I don't think you ever met Colin Vaughn or Mark Daly or Jeff. You would have been just as impressed and to be able to talk to those people. So one of the sad parts about all this is that as time goes on, you know, I lost complete contact with Peter. So as an example, now, you know, there's nobody's fault when these things happen.

And when I heard that he passed away, I did what everybody does in those situations. Jeez, I wish I would have made contact with Peter. Jeez, I wish I would have reconnected. Peter. Jeez, I wish I would have reconnected. Those are the things that go through your head. And I really do wish that. And, you know, and it's like, we live our lives, we're busy, we do things.

And then, you know, these things happen, but they do allow one thing you can't take away. You can't take away the memories. And I have such great memories of him in my days at sydney tv lauren thanks for taking some time and chatting with me about the late great peter silverman my pleasure tonight on silverman helps looking at some of the problems of legal aid. So, Marian, how can I help you today? Oh, I'm here filing for custody.

Okay, and can you tell me a little bit about your situation? Marian Romanz is a client of D'Souza and Klein, two young lawyers who specialize in legal aid cases with a princely sum of 62 bucks an hour. Their office is not Bay Street, but Albion Road in Etobicoke. If legal aid is a major source of their income, it is also an imperative for their clients. If you didn't get the legal aid, if you didn't get it personally, what would you do? Well, right off the top, Christina, my condolences.

Oh, thank you so much. Thank you. Peter was, you know, just an incredible person. And I had a chance to see him in August, and I knew that would probably be the last time. And I saw him in hospital hospital and I went then because I thought he may not have a lot of time left and spent some time with him alone. And, you know, I thanked him for giving me my first job and I hugged him and I told him I loved him. And typical to Peter's humor, he said, that's the most action I've had in a month. You know, he remembered me at times, but it was really great.

I knew at the end he remembered me for sure because he said my full name. He said, Christina Tenaglia, you're an amazing woman, a wonderful woman, but you drive us bleeping crazy sometimes. So then I knew for sure he remembered me. He was 90 years old. He turned 90 on July the 5th. His wife, Dr. Burton, is an amazing, incredible woman, and he has two twin daughters who, of course, just adore him. And the thing is, up until the very end,

Peter was always thinking about other people. He, you know, even earlier this year, he did a news series in Israel many years ago, actually even before I worked with him. And he realized that one of the gentlemen featured in the series, the City News series where he went to Israel, probably a five-part TV series. He realized one of the gentlemen never saw the series. He happened to be in touch with this gentleman. And he writes to me and calls me and says, Chris, can you get a hold of those segments?

So I talk to City News and I make arrangements and I get them to him by, you know, links. And then he goes, I don't know how to use the links. And the links expire. I have to start the process again. But he kept saying, you know, I really want him to see the series. You know, the series is probably 20 years old. So that was him.

He really cared about people all the time and was always thinking of other people. But Christina, can you give us a little background, how you meet Peter Silverman and this, you know, how he got you your first job? Yeah, so I was a student, a broadcasting student, and, you know, I was working here at 299 Queen Street West as a student, and I was actually, you know, the front desk reception and hospitality services part-time while finishing my degree at university. And I said to the newsroom, you know, can I intern in the newsroom? And they said, okay, well, our investigative consumer unit may need some help. So I started interning there at the Silverman Helps unit, which at the time was longtime producer Terry O'Keefe, who was the segments, you know, for the entirety of Silverman Helps, which was some 20 plus years.

Terry was the producer and Peter was the host. They're, you know, best of friends. And so I came in interning. And as I was interning, the associate producer for the unit was leaving. interning. And as I was interning, the associate producer for the unit was leaving. And I kind of had the opportunity to work in the unit as a researcher slash associate producer, but I had to finish school. So I was going to my fourth year of university and thought, okay, how do I do this? I'll work here full time and then go to school mornings and evenings and do my work on the weekends. And I did. So I graduated late. and in graduating late, I had a great two years with Peter and Terry. And the great thing is, I mean, looking in hindsight,

I say the great thing is it was the last two years of the unit because eventually City News shut down the unit in 2008. But I say for me, the great thing, because I got to spend those, those last two years with this incredible team of journalists. And Peter's advocacy didn't end with Silverman Helps. I mean, he was always trying to help people and speak out for the little guy. He actually had a show on News Talk 1010 for a while. But he and his wife, you know, he was 75 when I worked with him. And so he was already, you know, past the age that some, you know, people retire at. You know, some people retire at 65, 67.

You know, he didn't want to retire. And it's because he really cared. He really enjoyed television, but he really enjoyed helping people. And he would get really peeved, you know, when people would be ripped off. And that's the thing. I mean, it really spoke to something that everyone can relate to, just being taken advantage of. And it really pisses you off when it's the most vulnerable, right?

You know, if it's the elderly or children or animals, which is why his family has asked for donations to the Daily Bread Food Bank, Habitat for Humanity. Peter was heavily involved with them. Save a Child's Heart Israel is a group he was also involved with. And, you know, Defenders of Wildlife, like you see that he's just always thinking of those vulnerable and it sounds like you obviously kept in touch

with Peter well after you worked with him I did because I I feel like he and his wife became my grandparents in a way I call his wife mama and because they're just incredible people I mean I I would talk to them all the time I'd see them at least you know once twice a year. And that's more due to scheduling and distance. They have a cottage up in Prince Edward County where they spent almost the entire year. And absolutely. And, you know, for me, I love them because they're just incredible people. But at the same time, I mean, you know, Peter gave me my first job and he really went to bat for me and looked out for me always. And in the time that I did work for him, I became close with his wife and they really went to bat for me and looked out for me always. And in the time that I did work for him, I became close with his wife and they really are incredible people. Like, I mean,

I'm so grateful that they stayed in touch with me too, you know, and I can't say any more amazing things about them. They're just, I mean, you'd want them to be your neighbor. You'd want Peter to be your boss. And there's a reason that so many people have had so many amazing things to say is because, uh, Peter was such a great person and, and cared about so many people up until the last minute. And I'm sure Peter was very proud of you and your success. Oh, that's very kind. Um, yes, for sure. He was, he wants me to go further in my career. And yes, I think absolutely. I mean, I got married last year and it was an elopement and no one was there. And the Silvermans have been married many years. I think it's close to 50. And they have a great story about how they met. And I always used

to say to them over the years, even when I was single, you know, you'll have to be at my wedding and tell the story and make a speech about the keys to a successful marriage. And Peter said to me a few years back, you better hurry up and get married or they're going to be pushing me into the church on a stretcher. You know, he had a great sense of humor. And so nobody was at this elopement. However, as soon as we got back from eloping, about a week later, I went to see the Silvermans at their cottage and share the photos with them, because it was so important to me to share that with them, and, and yeah, no, he was proud of me, but I think, you know, Peter has two daughters, he's no doubt very proud of, and, you know, he's a very loving person,

and, you know, he, a lot of causes really pull at his heartstrings, because he really does care. So he absolutely was proud of me. But I mean, it's, it's all like, it's all my pleasure to have been able to have such this incredible, long relationship with him. And no doubt, the impact is one that transcends, you know, me personally and professionally. And I, you know, now that he's passed, I knew he would, I knew it was imminent. You know, there, and I've told you, there's so many times I bring him up in stories about the things he's taught me or things that he has said. And that's the impact. I mean, I'm very grateful that I started my career working with someone like him and the team I did, because not only did I learn so much, but even just the

personal impact he and his wife and family have had on me is just incredible. Please, when you're speaking with Peter's family next, pass on my condolences and let them know that many of us out there are going to miss Peter Silverman. I will, absolutely. And thank you for covering this. Look back at his life and this story.

I recognize your interest in, you know, those who have shaped Toronto, and he certainly has for many reasons. And, you know, Peter's someone, he didn't become a journalist until like, you know, it was his 40s. He had, you know, he was a British paratrooper. He was, you know, he's born in Montreal, he was a British paratrooper. He was a university professor. And then, you know, somehow, and I have to ask his wife the story, but he ended up at Global. And he was also a Queen's Park reporter. And I'm not quite sure how Silverman Helps maybe came about. But I don't think there was a better candidate for the role, other than this kind of like gruff guy that, you know, didn't give a crap

about who you were, He was coming after you, you know, and one of the great stories I told someone a few days ago was that when Rogers purchased City News from Chum Television at the time, because Chum Television was moving on, Peter said to the folks at Rogers, we're going to still do stories about you, you know, and that's a real journalist. You're not swayed in any way by who owns you, who's, you know, providing advertising dollars. And that was the great thing about him. And probably because he was so much older and out of touch with things like social media, he did not care. You know, he did not care what was going on or it was about the story. It was

about getting justice for people. And he would spend so much time of his own time helping people. And, you know, we used to say in our office, we weren't operating a social service agency. This is a TV show. But because, of course, you know, we want to help people, we helped people. And we would spend a lot of time helping people, knowing we wouldn't put their stories to air. You know, when you emailed our office, you got an auto reply with information as to how you can try and help yourself. If you wrote to us and we would get some 20,000 requests for help a year, you got a pamphlet, like return mail to you that gave you suggestions as to how you could help yourself. But Peter would, you know, say to me at times, can you call this person? You know, I want to help this person. I'm meeting with

this person because he really was always helping people. And that speaks to his credit and our producer, Terry O'Keefe, who spent a lot of time helping people knowing we would not put their story to air for a variety of reasons, or wouldn't have time, or it wasn't something suitable for TV or whatever the case was. So that speaks to his character for sure. And I'm sorry, someone's knocking at the door. That's okay.

I can say farewell with three words. Okay, one second. Okay, I'm coming. Two minutes. Thank you, thank you. Yes, okay, so Mike, sorry. Why don't we wrap it up with, I want this to be clean for your editing purposes as well.

So actually, maybe that speaks to news. We always got to go, but, but we care. And, uh, I just want to say he, he's such an incredible person. And, and, um, when I spent time with him, we, we barely spoke about my career, to be honest, you know, it, that was kind of an afterthought in terms of our friendship. He, he was such an interesting, interesting person and had such interesting stories. He'd send me articles over time or videos of things I should watch or pay attention to. And that was him. He was interested in the world. He was interested in issues that matter to people. And he loved

this city for sure. So the three words I'll close with, Christina, and I appreciate you taking some time to talk about Peter Silverman with me. But the three words I just want to say to you before you depart, watch it, buddy. Thank you so much for that. And you know, it's funny, Peter only actually said that once, but it, you know, it resonated that it has gone on forever. So Mike, thank you so much. I look forward to listening to this, you know, this episode. And thank you. Sorry for a few interruptions. That's news. And actually, Peter was kind of like that.

You know, he didn't know because he was older. But you could be on the phone and go, Chris, come over here. I need to talk to you. OK, hold on. So that was Peter. What's my login for the Facebook? What's my login for for the email? You know, that was Peter.

So thank you, Mike, and all the best. I appreciate it. Take care of yourself. I'll see you on the television. Thank you so much. And we'll talk. Send me a note. Okay. Thanks so much, Mike. Take care. Bye. Thank you. guitar solo Thank you. A CIDADE NO BRASIL Thank you. guitar solo Thank you.