Toronto Mike'd: The Official Toronto Mike Podcast - Ziggy Kicks Out the Jams: Toronto Mike'd #409

Episode Date: December 11, 2018

Mike catches up with Ziggy Lorenc and Joel Goldberg before they play and discuss Ziggy's 10 favourite songs of all-time.

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I'm from Toronto where you wanna get the city love. I'm in Toronto where you wanna get the city love I'm from Toronto where you wanna get the city love I'm a Toronto mic, wanna get the city love My city love me back, for my city love Welcome to episode 409 of Toronto Mic'd, a weekly podcast about anything and everything. Proudly brought to you by Great Lakes Brewery, Propertyinthe6.com, Paytm Canada, Palma Pasta,

Fast Time Watch and Jewelry Repair, and Census Design and Build. I'm Mike from TorontoMike.com and joining me is a woman who I think only needs to go by one name like Madonna and Cher. It's Ziggy. Hello, Mike. Nice to see you again. Nice to see you again. It's been too long. I'll tell you how long it's been. Before I introduce this handsome fellow to your left, I'll tell you how long it's been. This is

409. So right now you're 409. Yeah. So it's a new tattoo you can get 409 the previous appearance by Ziggy 248 wow so it's been too long two years I actually should

take down that note I have no idea how long it's been all I know is it's been too long it's been too long but I will read the description

if people want to go back and hear the deep dive with Ziggy by the way Ziggy that was a fantastic episode thank you I had my partner in crime with me. Who was with you that day?

The same guy that's with me now. Who's with you right now? Who is this guy? Jay Gold. I thought it was Jon Hamm. My mistake. Honestly, I thought I had my biggest get yet. Jon Hamm in my basement here. Why Jon Hamm when you could have Joel Goldberg.

Jay Gold, Joel Goldberg, welcome back as well. Welcome back. Thank you so much. I'm happy to be Ziggy's sidekick. I love that Ziggy brings you along. You're like an accessory. Well, he's more than an accessory. My God.

He doesn't hold my purse or anything like that. I was going to say, he should be holding your purse. But we go back. He's my bro. He's my bro. We've gone through so much together. We grew up in the business together. And for those who, I mean,

I can't even remember, I didn't take a note on what Joel's episode was, but that was great too because you're like one of the founding fathers of Electric Circus. Yes, I am. Which, to me, is a big deal. And Great Lakes Beer made an Electric Circus beer this year. And I saw a photo of you with a beer.

Did they give you one when you came to TMLX1? Yes. That was a great event, by the way. And they had sold out, but one of the gentlemen, Troy, was nice enough to go into the back

and he found me a beer. But then when they re-brewed some more, I got two six-packs and I gave one to Moses. Did you have to pay for the Electric Circus beer? Oh, he gave me one free.

I paid for the two six. You know what? I am honestly... You just... You walk into that place and... What's the address? Electric Circus beer? Oh, he gave me one free. I paid for the two sixes. You know what? I am honestly, you just, you walk into that place and what's the address? Oh, nine is here.

Yeah. 30 Queen Elizabeth Boulevard. You walk in and you say, I am Jay Gould. I am the creator of Electric Circus and there's no way

they're going to charge you for it. They should be paying you royalties or something, right? This is Canada. Exactly. Oh, Ziggy, now that I'm on episode 409, I've heard, I feel like I've taken an extensive course

in realism in terms of, you're right, in Canada I talk to musicians and I talk to actors and actresses and broadcasters and I realize that they're not all driving Rolls Royces like I grew up thinking. No, everyone expects us to, though. I had a listener for my show from the States that Googled me. He said, I thought you'd be in a penthouse apartment.

He said, but I Googled you. I know it's creepy, but no, you do not live that way. And I said, correct. This is Canada. I mean, a broken record now for regular listeners, but when I have like Lois DeLon or somebody from Sloan or whatever, like to me, these are big time rock. I mean, how many Sloan songs were played on much music?

Right, right. All the time. One of my producers just yesterday said that he used to hang at Steve's music store when he was young and he would see like all these rock stars, Canadian rock stars, upstairs by all the drum kits, and their hair was greasy, he said.

They smelled like smoke. They haven't washed. And he said, yes, I realize that Canadian musicians make no money. They can't afford the hot water heater, probably. How can they shower? It's sad but true. Meanwhile, if you had the equivalent career

in the United States... Which I turned down. At one point, I did. Did we hear that? No, tell me that story. Well, if each one called me, right? They wanted me. But, you know, I made a decision.

I knew I'm the sensitive type, and I thought that if I go to the States, something untoward is going to happen to me, because I will be a small fish in a really, really huge pond. So money wasn't really ultimately what kept me going. I was allowed to do a lot of creative stuff here And you know I fell in love here I wanted to be nearby And there are a lot of reasons Logistically why it wouldn't have been a good decision I'm glad I made that one

I don't feel like I missed out Well money's not everything It isn't To me it barely is anything I have to make a minimum amount To put shelter over my kids' heads And food in their bellies. Well, that's all you need.

A roof over your head, food on the table, and going the middle road. You can't go wrong going the middle road. And a hot water heater. Right. Great. What more can a guy ask for?

Right. After all. Especially if Ziggy's coming over. Although, I should tell you. I hope you bathe when I come over, though. That's the only thing. I met you. You were a little early. You were early, which is good. Although, I should tell you. I hope you bathe when I come over, though. That's the only thing. I met you. You were a little early.

You were early, which is good. I'm happy you're early. But I was on a bike ride. I was on a bike ride. But how early were you? Just so I don't look bad for this. Like, we were scheduled for noon, but you were there at like 1130 maybe? Yeah, about that.

1135. So I see you. I'm prepared. And I did not shower between bike ride and this I'm just FYI Although it's kind of a cold day I'm not too sweaty No, I kissed you and you were fine

Is that why you sat over there? No I did change my shirt By the way, I'm on a roller chair So if I roll off Into the distance Rach I didn't realize.

No wonder everybody's rolling away on this. Rolling, rolling. Rolling away from the microphone. I never realized there's wheels on those. It goes on its own, by the way. Because the house is shifting. It spirits you away. It's just slanting.

Okay, so I got to finish this thought here, which is that episode 248 with Ziggy, it says, Mike chats with Ziggy Lawrence about her many years working for Moses. I feel like a biblical character here. It is. At City TV, Much Music, and Zoomer.

That covers a lot of ground because, of course, you were on City TV, Much Music, and now you're at Zoomer. Right. I was also on Book TV, and I was also on the Fashion Channel. All of the channels that we had at one point, City TV seemed to rule the world. And Jay Gold, Joel Goldberg. In the house. He launched all those channels overseas in places like, what, Brazil, Finland.

You were all over the place. Yeah, Argentina, Brazil, Finland, Colombia. Yeah, it was fun amazing a lot of it's a blur so much happened a lot of it is a blur that's a good way to put it

it's a blink of an eye does it feel like it's another like another lifetime ago or no it feels like just yesterday okay but so much happened

we packed so much into those years and we didn't mind working hard And even if I was to make a list of people That we had interviewed over the years I can't get past five people And I know that there are many, many more than that But some standouts

It sounds like you've got some dementia setting in there Doesn't it? I know, great On the cover of Zoomer magazine soon. Oh, yes. Okay. And also, you both I need to know, do you bump into Ed Conroy at Zoomer ever?

Do either of you have either of you seen Ed recently? All the time. Really? I haven't seen him recently. Ed hangs out with me in my office when he comes down. By the way, I have to do a shout out to Ed, Mr. Retro Ontario, because I lost your address on the way here.

So I called Ed. Oh yeah, I saw that email too late. That's funny. Yeah, Ed's been here. He knows you. He's coming here on the, I should promote that, on the 17th of this month, Ed Conroy, Mr. Retro Ontario. We're going to do a Christmas Crackers Volume 2, but there's a huge, we're going to do a big Mark Daly retrospective.

That's wonderful. The man we heard at the top of this episode here. Yes, we love him. He's a good man, was a good man. Nobody better to do that than Ed, Mr. Retro Ontario, the man, the legend. We need more Ed Conroy's in this city. We do.

Yes, because he keeps everything alive. Right. He archives it. And us nostalgia addicts, we need our drug, right? Like, hook it to my veins. You and Ed, man. That's it. That's all we got.

You put me in the same sentence as Ed. I feel unworthy. Actually, I think Ed comes over because he comes over for this Christmas thing and we crack open some Great Lakes winter ale and I'm pretty sure that's why he makes the trek could be it's a good reason

besides your charm that's a new addition to the studio since you were last here I added some charm let's get the gifts out of the way before we kick out the draft which one's great I added some charm. I was lacking charm. So let's get the gifts out of the way. We're going to talk about lots of things before we kick out the dress. This is great. So which one's great?

The beer or the lasagna? I need specifics here. Both. I mean, come on. What more can a girl ask for? Beer and lasagna. That's heaven. Thank you so much.

So yes, beer is from Great Lakes Brewery. They did brew an electric circus. Are they going to bring it back? Did you find out from Troy? I don't know if they're going to bring it back, but they did do a second run of it, and that's when I got the two sixes. Did Monica Deal get any?

I hope so. Yes, she deserves some. But Monica Deal was coming here to promote some, coming here, coming to Toronto to promote some kind of a makeup line. Yes, that she put out. Yes. And then she was interested in coming on

and excited about it and she was going to, because she's in Vancouver normally, I believe, or whatever. And then it never, the timing didn't work out and Monica never made it here, but I did the homework

and I got the sound clips for her episode. So if either of you have ever talked to Monica, Absolutely. Get her in here. Monica's awesome. That would be a fantastic episode. So if either of you have ever talked to Monica, get her in here. Monica's awesome. That would be a fantastic episode.

Agreed. Not as good as this one, but it'd be pretty good. Agreed on my part. Okay. So it's unanimous. Okay. Palma Pasta

and Great Lakes Brewery, two great sponsors. So the six packs from Great Lakes, they're a fiercely independent craft brewery located here in Etobicoke. And as you know, Joel,

99.9% of all Great Lakes beer remains here in Ontario. That's awesome. It's brewed for you, Ziggy. Thank you. It's going to remain in my pantry. And Joel's. Yes. Wonderful.

Thank you. If we don't drink it all right now. Well, one of you has to drive, so I have to monitor that. I'm a smart serve certified. I can drink one. You can have one, Joel. Oh, one of you has to drive, so I have to monitor that. I'm a smart serve certified. I can drink one. You can have one, Jill. Oh, you can definitely have one. Jill's my chauffeur. That's right. I'm chauffeuring. You can get hammered,

Ziggy. Go now. We'll make sure you get home safely. Palma Pasta. Not a good name of a company for a man who pops his peas all the time, but Palma Pasta. They're Mississauga's best pasta and Italian food. And that's the lasagna from Palma's Kitchen. That's near Mavis and Burnham Thorpe.

If you go to palmapasta.com, you can find out the exact address and directions. But it's like hot and fresh Italian food, retail store. They got seating and good coffee and pizza and everything you'd want, actually. It's amazing. Get yourself the Palmas kitchen. If you're having a holiday party, get it catered by Palma Pasta. They're amazing people. Thank you, Palma Pasta.

I'm very excited. It smells great. The pasta shouldn't smell great yet. It's frozen. It is frozen. It's frozen. It shouldn't have any odor. It still smells great. We have a problem, I think. I think I smell great. Maybe that's the yet. It's frozen. Is there a mistake? It is frozen. It's frozen. It shouldn't have any odor. But it still smells great. We have a problem, I think. I think that's because I smell great.

Maybe that's the cardboard. That's right. It is a really nice box, actually. It is. To be honest. Have either of you been to Italy? Yes, I have. Where specifically?

Rome. Yeah? It was great. Very nice. I took my mother. Okay. How long ago did you make this trip? A long time ago.

I haven't been back to the old country since. Did anybody try to scam you out of any euros or anything? Yes, a cab driver. I was picking up a friend at the airport. I got scammed. Yes, I did. Tourists in Rome, I've been to a few places, and Rome is the place where I noticed the most sketchy activity

by people preying on the tourists. Probably as much as Marseille, from what I hear. But you know what? That was the only untoward thing that really happened to me. The rest of the time was just fabulous. When you look out on ancient Rome, you realize that nothing's changed over the course of history. That's the one thing that I remember about it. And they have a bunch of cats live

where Brutus stabs Julius Caesar, right? And that location, I remember, it's inhabited by a bunch of stray cats. This is my Rome memories. I don't remember that. I don't remember that. I don't remember that. I remember my mother falling in love with her waiter at the hotel we stayed at.

She wouldn't go sightseeing with me because she preferred to stay in the tea room with the waiter. I know. As long as she has a good time. She's deceased so I could say these things now. Says my dad. How long ago did you lose your mom?

Three years ago. Three. I'm your Facebook friend. I always put her up. Yeah, and it's very sweet. You're actually, dare I say, you're an exceptional Facebooker. Thank you.

There's not a lot out there, actually. Most people are terrible Facebookers. But Ziggy's like pound for pound the greatest Facebooker on my friends list. Thank you. I try to keep it light. But it's funny and it's light and it's insightful and it's interesting. It's compelling stuff. Thank you so much, Mike.

I'm glad you think so. What if you took that content that you're generating naturally, like you're a natural content creator, and what if you put it somewhere more public, I want to say? Like in a book or something? Like more like even if it's in a blog or a podcast or something that people could consume. Do you know something? If I had more time, I would do it, but I'm stretched, right?

So I do enough writing through the course of my day that I don't want to be doing 24 7 so maybe sometime in the future when i do have a little bit more downtime i'll do that but yeah somebody suggested that and youtube but i have to pick my medium for the time being because i tend to put a lot of heart into my stuff yeah but you don't here's my two cents only two cents that's what it's worth but like so facebook is that's a big company facebook and then they own your stuff and it's all kind of closed in their walls and if you do youtube now you're you've put it all in google's pocket and google controls that and they can do

what they want the algorithm or whatever they want like if you want to own your brand and like control your destiny you have to do something more open source. A podcast, for example, is an open source mechanism that Google and Apple and Spotify and you name it, they're allowed to tap into that existing XML and then

distribute it through their channels. But still, they don't own XML. They don't own the podcast. When I start vacuuming my house, then I'll start to develop my brand. Ziggy has written a book. You do know that. Remind me what the book's called.

It's called True Confessions of a Wash and Wear Virgin. That's a great title. That's very good. That was quite a while back. A long time ago, yeah. I don't know. That's very good. And yeah, that was quite a while back. A long time ago, yeah. And so, I don't know. I was busy then.

Maybe I'm just making excuses. Maybe I'm just lazy. Podcast sounds like a good idea. Do a podcast. Really? If you're not going to do a podcast and you just wanted to write, I think you should do a podcast

because you have a great voice. Thank you. But a blog, but not a blog on someone else's network, but where you have your own... Oh, just the horseshit on a platter that I usually talk about, I guess. Is that what you're saying? I'm trying to...

What I'm interested in is more people having access to this wonderful content that you create. Oh my God, thank you. Oh, you're welcome. It's all true. Very nice of you to say thank you. Mark is a fan of yours. And on Twitter, he asked me to ask you why you're not more active on Twitter. This is from a Mark. I don't know. Right. I guess I just chose Facebook. I started an Instagram account and a Twitter account, but I tend to go to Facebook more. But you see, they want me to also write on our nefarious sites at work as well.

And so, you know, I'm a hot mess, I guess, on social media. I have trouble curating just what I've got. And so I just stick to one... One channel. Just to the one channel. So really not a good excuse again. I suppose I could be busy all night long. But you're spread very thin, as you explained.

Yeah, I feel that through my day I give quite a bit. And so at night it's sort of my chance to kind of wind down. That makes sense to me. I'm lazy. No, you've got to have some Ziggy time, right? Whatever that is. Yeah, I've got to watch Netflix. Boy, I can't miss that. Got to binge watch

now. I wouldn't say you're lazy, Zig. Come on, you're motivated. I don't know. A bit of a procrastinator. I have to force myself to do things. Just turn on the tap and just sit in the chair. But aren't we all doing that? Yeah, I was sort of going to say we all are. Yeah, we have to all just say,

I guess that's part of doing a creative job. You can't think about it too much. You just got to put your butt in the chair and just turn on the tap. Nah, let's get that tap jammed open. Let's pry it open and let it flow here. Now, I got to say thank you to a guy on Twitter named Fakeologist.

So Fakeologist, he actually emailed me like 11 bucks or something and like just to like support the show. That's nice. Yeah. So I want to say thank you. I'm a Fakeologist, I think is his handle. And he said,

great job, Mike. Feel free to plug fakeologist.com and my podcast. So there you go. Thank you, Fakeologist. Very nice, Fakeologist. Now, Ziggy, you mentioned, sadly, your parents have passed away.

Yes, yes. My father in 1997, my mother in 2015. And did I read on Facebook that you lost a cat recently as well? I lost Sonny, my oldest boy, yeah. How old was Sonny? This past September, I believe. He was 17.

Which is good for cats, right? It's really good. But he was a special cat. He really was. He looked like a person. Really, he did. He looked like a person, and he was the gentlest cat, even though he was the

killer out there. He murdered everything, but at home, he was very gentle. He had these huge paws, right, in the face of a human being. He was black. He was fabulous. I cried and cried. First of all, I'm sorry for your loss. Thank was black. He was fabulous. Is there any... I cried and cried. Well, first of all,

I'm sorry for your loss. Thank you. I had six cats. I'm down to two. Six might be too many. You think? Joel, what do you think? Six cats?

It's too many. I don't know what cat lady level is. Yeah, it's right up there. Ten cats for cat lady level. It's not quite as bad as Rick Hodge, but it's pretty bad.

It's bad. Yeah. It's bad. Yeah. But you're down to how many now? Two. Two, which says more reasonable, I think. It is.

Yeah. You can save money on kitty litter and things like that. Well, I have a really huge cat that's a dog cat, and he poops a lot. Big poops. Oh, boy. He's a big pooper. I guess you didn't want to hear that, but it's true. I don't know. Real talk.

People laugh when they see this cat. They're like, what? If you lose these two cats, heaven forbid, would you get more cats? Maybe. Also, isn't it more like when you lose these cats? Because you will outlive these cats, right?

These cats can only... 17 is a good long life. You've got a good 50 years left or whatever. You're going to outlive these cats. right? This is the, these cats can only, 17 is a good long life. You've got what? You've got a good 50 years left or whatever. You're going to, you're going to outlive these cats. Well, dog cats

like 17 now and then there's baby cat. Baby cat is crazy. Just a nut bar. The brain of a pea. Not the brightest, but still loved dearly. I am a cat lady. Okay. That's okay. Two is a reasonable number. I don'tly. I am a cat lady.

That's okay. Two is a reasonable number. I don't know if you're a cat lady. You can't be an official cat lady, though, because you have a partner. Oh, that's right. I thought you all was going a different direction. I thought you were going to take away her cat lady license for having too few cats. I know. I know. You're under the minimum.

You got to get some cats to Ziggy. Tell us exactly what are you doing at Zoomer these days? Okay. Well, I'm the night bird on Zoomer radio where I can say whatever I want, especially past midnight. So I start at 11. I go till 1 in the morning. And the first show is about romance because I've been doing the same work

since 1986 under R and what used to be my Rolodex. And a Rolodex doesn't exist anymore. But the 12 o'clock show is, it comes with a disclaimer. It is a very salacious show. And, yeah, I just gab and I play dirty songs at midnight. And on the show previous to that at 11, it's Zoomer hits. So it's the best of romantic tunes. It goes right back to Edison's Cylinder.

So I've got stuff from 1917 right up to present day that are hits. 17 right up to present day uh that are hits and that is why when you asked me to make a playlist for today's podcast um i found that the most difficult thing because there's so many genres i like i'm not a music snob and it was just tough to pick up my 10 go-to songs that I love to listen to because there's so many but I really, I worked on this list for ever. Because some people just, you know what, I've kicked out the jams, I don't know, 50 times or something and I've had guests like

off the top of their head, here's my 10. Two seconds later, here's a 10 song. And I've had guests who weeks and weeks of whittling it down and I got it down to 18 and then a few weeksling it down. I got it down to 18. And then a few weeks later, I think I got it down to 13. So where do you fall in that? Well, I wonder if it isn't ageism.

And I know that's not a nice thing to bring up. But I think it depends on how old you are. Because the period that I grew up in, I had kind of Edwardian parents. And all my cousins were much older than me, too. So, you know, plus of the nationalities, Italian, Spanish. So I grew up listening to Edie Gourmet. I ended up listening to Pulcas, Peggy Lee, you know, all the oldies. And so...

Great American Songbook. Yeah, the Great American, thank you. The Great American Songbook. Plus more, plus plus. Well, Joel's American, so he knows. He really knows his Great American Songbook. But I think he could say the same. Yes.

Right? And it was more important. Listening to music was more important than you get an album, you listen to the whole album. Right. Now it's just grab a song you like and get it off iTunes. Right. It's true.

The album, although there's exceptions, because like Beyonce dropped Lemonade and it seemed to be like a collective album that my teenage daughter would refer to the album. But typically speaking, you're right, it's all about the single now. Like it's like for streaming single now like the the it's like for for streaming and for radio play and stuff like the album seems to have fallen out of

favor and it's and it's strange if you do find something by streaming millions of people have already listened to it and you think you're the first one that has it is really peculiar i can't keep up actually with the music that's being streamed. And I don't pretend to. Do you, Joel? No, can't do it.

Right. There's only one person who can. His name is Dave Hodge. He's coming in Thursday. So this is Tuesday. He comes in Thursday to share with us his 100 favorite songs of 2018.

100. You're kidding. We're not playing 100 songs, but he's going to give the list of 100, and we're going to play and talk about his top 10 of 2018. I can honestly tell you, I'm not even ashamed to say this, I did not hear 100 new songs in 2018. No, me neither. No.

Good for him. Yeah, exactly. I'm going to listen to that one. And he says he didn't, he tells me he didn't repeat an artist twice. That's amazing. I don't know if I heard 100 artists in 2018, let alone new stuff. Most of the artists,

I just don't know who they are. I do not know who they are. You're right. Do you? I mean, I don't. How old are your kids, Joel? My daughter is seven. My son is going to be three in March. Okay, they're too young for that.

Because when they get older, they'll keep you kind of fresh, I think. I'm hearing all the, oh, this is Rocky ASAP. ASAP Rocky. See, I dare him. I sound like a dad. ASAP Rocky this.

And I'm like, I don't know ASAP Rocky, but then she'll play a song. The weird thing is she'll play a song and it samples Rocky this. And I'm like, I don't know ASAP Rocky, but then she'll play a song. And the weird thing is she'll play a song and it samples like Rod Stewart. And I'll be like, you know, that's a Rod Stewart song. And then you can kind of introduce her to the Rod Stewart song or whatever.

But it's like, yes, when the kids get a little older, Seven's a bit young for popular music. Do you tend to like the stuff that she chooses though? Because music is so personal. Not all of us love the same stuff. And some people abhor what they might abhor what I like to listen to. Oh, it's so subjective.

I mean, that's the whole point. And yes, a lot of the stuff she plays for me I don't like and then some stuff I do like. And then, yeah, I have an issue. I sound't like and then some stuff I do like and then yeah I have an issue I've had I sound more like an old guy lately than I thought I would

at this age and that the rap music because my son only listens to one genre okay this is the hip hop

yeah rap and I actually listen to a lot of rap always have like since the mid 80s always have this is the guy

that brought it to you back in the day? Maestro's to my left here. Maestro Fresh. For those who don't know, again, Joel, we're going to talk to you in just a moment here because I have some questions for you, but you are coming back. Can you make

this official? You will come back to kick out your own jam in January. I'm looking forward to it in the new year and we'll kick out some jams. And it's not because you want more Great Lakes beer. You just want to come over. You're coming back. And yes, by the way, for those who don't know,

Joel Goldberg, in addition to creating Electric Circus, you're the director of Let Your Backbone Slide and Drop the Needle. But what other maestro jams? There's more. I also, 416 to the 905.

That's a great one. Nothing at all. Pushing Wigs Back. There's two more. We did seven together. Wow. Very collaborative with Wes, too. Mishi Mi.

Yes, I did Jamaican Funk. Which was massive. Yes. And two for Dream Warriors, My Definition and Ludi. And that was a joy to deal with them. They were great, great guys. I just remembered,

I saw you at Roots of the Six. That's right. When I went, I took, well, my wife and I went, we took the two little ones anyways to see Roots of the Six, which was Maestro,

Mishimi, and Dream Warriors. Dream Warriors. And DJ Ron Nelson. Ron Nelson. And you were there. And Ron Nelson is the king of it all, as far as I'm concerned. Well, that album, And the Legacy Begins, was recorded in his house.

That's right. Although Ron was unable to get me Dream Warriors on this podcast. We'll work on that. I'll work on King Lou and Capital Q for you. Oh, man. Yeah. Jane and Finch guys. I'm dying to hear your jams.

But okay, so to wrap up. How are you going to pick? I like your list, though. Did you like my list? It's a nice, diverse list. Yeah. And you got Bruce Coburn on there, who I did the documentary for. I mean.

Right. It's a great list. And it's not of one genre. It's all over, which I like. And there's an artist on your list who shows up on almost every 50-something-year-old sports media person who kicks out the jams has an artist that you have.

So no spoilers. I think I know which one it is. But I got to wrap up that one thought I was in the middle of about the hip-hop, which is that the new rap, I'm not a big fan of this new trap rap. It's missing a lot of the elements I liked from rap. Me too.

I'm an old school guy. And I mean, not just Public Enemy, but there's so many great hip hop acts that I keep going back to. And it really does sound quite different from the rap that my son's playing. I like Beasties, Run DMC. I mean, I'd go back to Rocksteady Crew,

the stuff they were doing, and Sugarhill Gang. The roots of it is what I liked. And I liked the evolution up to a point, I think. I had to interview the Beasties. Oh, God, that was just traumatic. It was traumatic. I had a big fight with them on air. And it was over...

Oh, God, which album was it? I told them that it sounded like they recorded it with them on air. And it was over, oh God, which album was it? It was, I told them that it sounded like they recorded it in a dumpster behind Burger World and into a toaster. What album was this?

It wasn't like Check Your Head or anything like that. No, no. It was the 90s. No, no. What the heck was it? Ill Communication?

No, they were rude. They were rude. I'm surprised because they started off kind of rude frat boys but then they cleaned up kind of and became like... Yeah, but I think

she had the rude frat boy era. I had the rude frat boys. Of course I did. Yeah, they started like that. Right? So it was an early album, obviously. It was the 90s. Early 90s.

All right. Anyhow, they walked out. Amazing. That's one of my favorite bands of all time, Beastie Boys. Me too. That's a piece of Toronto history right there. They're good musicians too. Yeah. Indeed.

They could have been nicer though. It's the only thing. It is what it is. It is. And will Moses ever come on Toronto Mike? He should. Well, now that you've cleaned up down here, it looks beautiful in the studio. Okay, so let's give some props to Chris Brown,

chrisbrownpainting.com. Chris Brown's a painter who took care of painting down here, and I changed up some of the pictures and wall stuff. Yeah, it looks great. It's lovely. You know why I had to clean it up? Because I started doing other people's podcasts, so it wasn't just my own.

So I had to kind of fix it up. It looks lovely, Mike. Thank you very much. We'll see if we can hook you up with Moses. Yeah, I mean, come on, Moses. Get in here. That would be very interesting. If you asked him to pick his 10 top jams,

that would be great. That's a second visit. That's the modus operandi right there. You need him to pick his 10 top jams. That's visit number two, I think. So, Joel, you were at TMLX1. Yes. And you were not at TMLX2.

Where the hell were you for TMLX2? I was in Cleveland, Ohio. Oh, that's a good excuse. Visiting family, yep. That's a good excuse. Here's a little tidbit that I hadn't revealed. I'm calling up a song. Look at me multitasking here.

I had a TMLX3 planned for this month. I had it. This is past tense. It was going to be a viewing party. We were going to view, and it was going to be co-hosted by Ed Retro Ontario Conroy. And we were going to view together.

Like it was going to be our regular bash, but then we were going to view together like stuff they would view at the old City TV Christmas parties. Oh my goodness.

Speakers Corner outtakes? Yeah. So we had a room at Great Lakes Brewery in the back and we were going to get where the film projection was going to be.

It was all set up. And then Ed bailed on me because he was busy with Moses. Oh. I don't know if that's a good excuse. Moses is keeping him busy. Oh, yeah. He's working on Moses' archive. Yeah.

So that's a big deal. And he says the launch is, I don't know. He gave me a sad story about why he can't do it. And then I decided to abandon it instead of doing it without him. Don't give up on this one because the Christmas parties were something else. Well, here we are. I don't remember much about them. I remember a lot

about them. You might as well have been at Hugh Hefner's Playboy Mansion. Oh, they really were quite hedonistic. So here's what I'm thinking. Oh, man. Here's what I'm thinking. You know Dan O'Toole from Jay and Dan? Of course, yeah. Yeah.

But Ziggy doesn't know Dan O'Toole. So, of course, in no way. Rings a bell. Rings a bell. But you don't watch any sports. Oh, forget it. No. Yeah.

No, you wouldn't. It's okay. I'm a huge sports fan, so. So Dan O'Toole was, I can't remember if he was working there, but he was at the launch of City TV Vancouver. Okay. And he came on and told a big story about like, he said like, it was like a sexy woman

with platters of like rolled up joints and stuff. Like he was telling, it was just basically like such excess. That's about right. I heard also Moses wore a bathrobe to that party. See, Hugh Hefner. Exactly. Hugh Hefner. Exactly. Hugh Hefner. I'm telling you, what was really funny was to watch the president of CHUM,

Mr. Waters, at her Christmas party as well. All these shenanigans were going on. It was fun to see who left with who. Well, here's what I am curious about and struggle with, if you will. And this is going to tie in nicely to a little something we'll do before we kick out these jams. But with a song that's fallen out of favor now, which we're going to get to in a moment. But let's say 20 years ago, this kind of excess and nihilistic happening or whatever at these parties was acceptable. And let's say today it's not acceptable, right?

So it's like, should people kind of pay the price for how they were in a different time? No, absolutely not. No, absolutely not. But that's what's happening, right?

Like, yeah, I see it happening now. deep, deep. And it's, it's just not right. And it, it,

it, there's some reason why, um Too movement is correct in many ways, and many in which it is not. And the destruction of a person's entire career based on bad behavior when they were a teenager, you know, that shouldn't come into play because everyone behaves badly as a teenager. Your brain's not developed. It doesn't develop until you're 28 years old.

48 for me. That for sure, Ziggy, for sure. But even, I'd even go so far as to say, let's say there was a time in history when the boss could have, I don't know, a bedroom suite on his office or something like that. Well, sure, a couch, it didn't matter. Even if there was a bedroom, I remember in my early days when I was doing teen modeling,

when I had to show up at auditions or go-sees, that one of the requirements was that I had to lift up my skirt. Wow. You know, when I worked with one producer on a cable show, when I auditioned, I had to lift up my shirt. You know, but I had no foresight i didn't know that they're doing a the same program on another channel where you had to expose yourself duh and yeah oh yeah that was the requirement show me your boobs you got used to it i'm not scarred okay but here's the thing of course that's unacceptable behavior right sure it is but know, we were told to look out for wolves.

We're a lot more street smart. You're always going to have a wolf. There's always going to be a wolf in your life. So I guess the challenge is to separate the wolves from the, you know, just behavior that was just more socially acceptable in the context of the time. And it's called fun. Yeah, and we did have a lot of that. Fun behavior. Like, Moses couldn't throw these parties today, right?

Like, what's a Zoomer party like now? Well, you know, the Zoomer parties are fun. Can you get me in on one? Would you like to come? Yeah. I would totally go. Absolutely. No, they're still fun.

We're a little older. Sure. I'm married with two kids, No, they're still fun. We're a little older. Sure. I'm married with two kids, and I wasn't back then, so I was having what they call fun. Yes. Yeah, I know. Consensual adults having a good time is still okay, I would think. It's called fun.

And I think the problem with the way things are set up now is that you spend the majority of your time at work meeting people, more so than you do with your family. So you're apt to meet somebody that you're attracted to at work. Now that's a no-no, but it doesn't make sense. That is where you are. I met my wife at work. We've been together 17 years.

There you go. Two kids. Yeah, I'm with you 100%. So is the problem with the power imbalance, like when somebody has great power versus somebody with less power? I wouldn't say that's the case if you're talking about city,

because most of my bosses were women. That's true. I don't see any of that happening. Dangerous times. And it wasn't that it was inappropriate. No, it was... I joke about it, but it wasn't inappropriate. Right.

We were like kittens and puppies. But do you think people are no longer able to distinguish between, for example, Bill Cosby drugging somebody's drink to make them unconscious and then take an advantage. That's terrible. That's horrible. Versus two consenting adults, ideally single, but even having fun, as Joel puts it.

They should be able to differentiate. I mean, it's pretty straight. It feels like it gets all lumped in together. You're right. It does. And the other thing is if you're a starving actress and you're young and you're trying to get away from your ghetto or the trailer in which you grew up where you had no food and somebody says to you hey will you spend the night with me and i'll give you a $20 million contract. You have to really think about it.

Oh, this. Did you get a $20 million contract for sleeping with me? Is that what I was catching there? But you would have taken that up. I don't know. You'd have to think about it though. It sounds like a premise for a movie. Exactly.

But really, let's be real. And yeah, this is a song that the CBC but really yeah like let's be real and yeah this is a song that yeah the CBC made the fuss over was it CBC

I don't think I don't know if it was CBC it was Cleveland Ohio yes Joel's hometown that's right

did it start in Cleveland yeah it was a Christian I guess oriented channel radio station by the way I blame this whole

controversy on Bill Cosby, too, because I feel like if the Bill Cosby thing never happened, he never did all that, and that never came to, if that didn't happen, I don't think we'd be so uber sensitive about a couple of the lines. Bill and Harvey, I think. I play this song all the time, and it's on my,

it's like a precursor to Christmas, and there is nothing wrong with this song. This is just a flirtatious couple. It's cute. Well, and there's also many ways to read into the lyrics. And you have to take into consideration the era that it was written in. Right.

So is this a PC run amok? It is. It's an over... I'd say yes. Yes. I wonder what everyone would make of Make Yourself Comfortable by Ella Fitzgerald. Do you know this, Jin?

I don't know this song. They would consider that a little racy, but from the woman's perspective. But I think here's... Okay, I have a lot of thoughts here and I have no answers, but I feel like it's not... And by the way, the song's not banned. I mean, we're playing it right now on Toronto Might.

You know, it's not banned, but some stations are choosing not to air it because it makes, so Zoomer's still playing the song. Oh, yeah. Imagine that was the only song you played. I thought about it. There's different renditions. You could keep going with this one, yeah. It's even like a big scene in Elf. Like the movie Elf has a big...

Yeah, are you going to not show that film anymore? It doesn't make sense to me. But I feel like part of the thing is if you're going to program Christmas, if you're CHFI, let's say, and you're going to go all Christmas so that you can be in all the dentist's office so you can get the big PPM results and then bill out all that money.

That's the plan, right? For them, if this song makes a few people uncomfortable in this era, post Bill Cosby and in this Me Too era or whatever, for them I think it's kind of a no-brainer. We just won't play it. It's not worth it or whatever because it's a

Christmas song. Some people are saying there's a lot-brainer like we just won't play it like it's not worth it or whatever because it's a christmas song so you can't some people are saying like you know there's a lot of rap songs on kiss 92.5 or whatever that have worse lyrics in it but that's not christmas songs like i feel because it's gotta be very wholesome this christmas i think this is a precursor to christmas when it's starting to get really cold. This is what you play. And then in comes Christmas and then it's Merry Christmas, darling. And all the stuff that we've listened to over the years. But there's nothing wrong with this song. I'm playing it.

It's a very nice song. I like it. I like it too. Me too. Because I like the juxtaposition between the male voice and the female voice and how they, you're right, they flirt and they mingle together.

Nothing wrong with flirting, but flirt and they mingle together. And it's a nice little. Nothing wrong with flirting, but that's not happening much either. I'm just so glad that I'm the age that I am. Yeah, we grew up in a different era. If you grew up in the seventies, it was just the best.

Peace, love, peace and love. Eighties weren't bad either. Eighties were good. Eighties, eighties was good until Everyone Wants to Rule the World. After that song came out.

Tears for Fears. Tears for Fears. Songs from the big show. Things kind of spiraled down into a weird, grungy place, as I recall. Ziggy blames it all on Tears for Fears. No, I love this song. I remember somebody having a boombox on the subway playing it

and it was wonderful. But after that song, after that song. And that's like 85 or something like that. You know why? Because after 85, it was the AIDS, the death from AIDS. It's like the Civil War.

And we lost so many people. I think that kind of takes the shine off the 80s, up until 85. You're right. There's that glorious period between the invention of the birth control pill and the advent of AIDS. There's a period there where I just missed this period.

This sounds like fun, as Joel would say. Oh, yeah. A lot of fun here. Here on the fly, I'm calling up another one because you mentioned AIDS and then I want to ask you about my favorite Christmas song of all time. So I want to hear what you think of this. So this is my favorite Christmas

song of all time. And we'll just let it brew. Oh, yeah. This is, it's up there for me, too. I love this, too. And we'll talk over it, because soon we've got to get to your jam, Ziggy. But the Pogues, of course, Fairy Tale of New York.

And again, the male and the female voice. Great choice. Great choice. Great choice. But, there's a but here, okay? We're living in this, I want to call it a correction, like the market is correcting.

I just had a panel on diversity in sports media, which I'm going to ask you about in a bit because we are in a period of like correction, overcorrection. And essentially, it sounds like right now if a a couple

of candidates for a job are uh similar quality and similar experience the non-white person gets that gig a hundred percent of the time right now which is what i'm hearing where in the past it went the exact opposite like there's no overcorrection which is why baby it's cold outside is being banned by some like rogers and bells i like the term overcorrection, but I do not think that 100% of the time the non... Maybe not 100, that's a big extreme. We'll call that hyperbole. Sometimes we make things an issue when they're not, which reinforces the issue.

And I have to say that makes me proud to be Canadian because I think we've handled it a lot better in the United States. We're not the states. No. And we have to stop thinking that we are the states. We don't operate this way. I feel like the Trump era

has helped us feel like what you're saying there, which is that reminds us that, hey, we're not the states. Like there's key differences in our... And I don't have an American to my right here. He's a good person to speak to about this. He goes back and forth enough

to see the real discrepancies. That's right. And a Canadian wife. Right. Smart man. Okay. This is a wonderful song. Yes, my favorite song.

Here's the problem. They use the F word in this song. Yes, my favorite song. Here's the problem. They use the F word in this song. That's right. Not F-U-C-K, but the slur for homosexual. And the context, again, apparently Irish, English use that term differently than we do. And the female voice is calling him a scoundrel. You scumbag, you maggot, you cheap, lousy F word.

There it is. Ban it. But isn't it of a period, this song? I'm with you. It's on my Christmas list. I put together my playlist. But let's face it,

there's been a lot of homophobia, a lot of anti-homosexual acts where that word is used sort of like the N-word for a black person, right? The F-word, right? And a lot of, if you are gay, or someone you love is gay, hearing that word, I could see it would trigger, I know, just work with me and then tell me about it.

Well, I think you'd have to ask a gay person. That's what I was just going to say. In this context, they probably wouldn't be affected. No. I'm going to ask them now. I'm going to ask my gay friends now. Are you? I'm going to. I don't think it'll bother me. But I'm not gay, so you have to ask. I'm going to ask my gay friends, now are you?

I'm going to. I don't think it'll bother me. So the question is, yes, right. So you're right. No one here is gay to share that perspective, which is a very good point.

But if it did, if it was, if there is a problem with having this word on the radio, then I personally don't care if it's on the radio because the radio, it plays songs. I don't care if it's on the radio because the radio, it plays

songs. I don't care if it leaves off a song because it uses the F word. The song's not banned. I can still buy it. I can play it whenever I want. I'm playing it right now. To me, if baby, it's cold outside, leave CHFI's Christmas mix. It doesn't matter because I'm creating my own playlists

for my family and myself and I can stick it on if I want. Well, I gotta tell you, if I want. Well, I got to tell you, what I play at midnight, I tell you, big 10-inch record, dog with a schlong. You know,

Please Warm My Wiener. This is like nothing. It sounds like Dr. Demento's playlist. It does. Please warm, how does that go? Is that a, what kind of song is

Please Warm My Wiener? I need to, I need to. They're talking about a hot dog. Oh, Carter, I think I'll dust my broom. Yeah, exactly.

Double entendre. Sex and popular music have gone hand in hand for years. Exactly. Exactly. Is it Chuck? Like, you know, Chuck Berry,

who recorded such huge, massive hits, but isn't his biggest hit My Ding-a-ling or something like that? That was, but that wasn't written by Chuck Berry. It was another fellow that did it. Was it really? I didn't know that. No, no.

I know this song. No, it was Chuck Berry. Yeah. And then somebody else recorded it. I'm wrong. Yeah, no, Chuck wrote that song. No, it was Chuck Berry. Yeah. And then somebody else recorded it. I'm wrong. Yeah, no, Chuck wrote that song and he recorded it live and it became this huge hit.

Yeah, yeah. But it became like his biggest hit or something, believe it or not. Yeah, it's all about masturbation. Considering this guy's, does Johnny be good, right? There's a lot of songs about masturbation. Oh.

And you know what? That's not Chuck Berry's only song about sex. She bopped. She bopped, for sure. That's right. Very good. You know what also,

Blister in the Sun, I think, is about masturbation. When I think about you, I touch myself. Right, of course. I go blind. Is that one about masturbation as well?

Oh, there's many. You should be hosting my show. Every time I think of you. I could do a whole episode about masturbation. Maybe I could be a sidekick on your show too. You should.

You really should. And Mike too, you're invited. We're breaking all the rules. I could do a whole episode about masturbation. Maybe I could be a sidekick on your show too, Ziggy. You should. You really should. And Mike, too. You're invited. We're breaking all the rules. I want to produce the show. What are you talking about? I'm invited. Will you have Great Lakes beer, Ziggy? I could make that happen. See? Saved. Saved. Ziggy,

Brian Gerstein is a real estate sales representative with PSR Brokerage, and he recorded a question for you. Oh, wow. Okay. So this is Brian. Propertyinthe6.com Hi, Siggy.

Brian Gerstein here, sales representative with PSR Brokerage and proud sponsor of Toronto Might. Now is the time to have me evaluate your home or condo if you're looking to get on the market in the new year. If you are buying, December is the best time to get a great deal with less competition and motivated sellers. Call or text me at 416-873-0292 to get the ball rolling. Siggy, do you have a launch date for your podcast for Zoomer Radio? And if so, can you break it now on Toronto Mike's? This is where Mike Richards broke the news on his own career move and is obviously the place to make huge announcements. I apologize to Brian because I realize now I stole his thunder.

Yeah, we already discussed that already, didn't we? My bad, Brian. But that's a good point. Zoomer has podcasts, right? stole his thunder yeah we already i stole we discussed that already didn't i my bad brian but uh that's a good point zoomer has podcasts right um i don't joel does zoomer have podcasts i don't think so not yet not yet i think it's in the works so really have nothing to announce yet but when you do your podcast it doesn't have to be with zoomer right this could be ziggy that's right right independent i suppose i think it's something i can do in time but really i as i said When you do your podcast, it doesn't have to be with Zoomer, right? This could be Ziggy. That's right. Independent. I suppose. I think it's something I can do in time. But really, as I said early on into the program today, that my days are filled up.

And I really do curate my music and think about what I'm saying so that it does take a lot of my time. And so perhaps when I'm not doing what I'm doing, it's a possibility that will free me up in order to engage in some of these ideas. Now you realize fans like Brian are chomping at the bit. Thank you. He's a sweetheart. Thank you very much. Chomping at the bit for it, yeah. I have one of his pint glasses at home, too.

I use it all the time. He should bring those back, right? He should. Can you imagine if guests would need, like, they would need some help getting home with the lasagna, the beer, the pint glass? The lasagna's pretty heavy. Like, did you feel this?

Yeah, no, that's... Feel this. Okay, I have a big family. Right? Yeah, yeah. I have a big family. Right? Yeah. I have a big family. And that fills us all up. Oh, I bet. The beer or the lasagna. I am so looking forward to my

lasagna, Palmas. Palmas pasta. Thank you. Time has come today. Time! Time has come today Time Remember the time, Ziggy. On this day, this exact day in 1936. So you were not born yet. No.

I know that. Sometimes I feel like I was, though. So 1936, Edward VIII announces in a radio broadcast, you know what he announces? He is abdicating the British throne to marry Wallace Simpson. Right.

On this day in 1936. Right. How's that? That's something. And that's like a lot of people do point to that as like a very romantic gesture.

But I watched The Crown. It's not quite as romantic as I thought it was. No. And Wallace made a big stink that he was abdicating because I think she wanted to be royalty. Who doesn't?

Not me. Doesn't appeal. VH1 tried to make you queen and you turned them down. Now, Wallace Simpson was an American who had divorced her first husband and was seeking a divorce from her second husband. And this was a big no-no, which is basically they weren't going to let this happen.

So what's interesting, though, is that Edward and Wallace did marry, and they were married until his death in 1972. That's something. That is something. They were both very much into fashion. That's what strikes me about them. It's not a romantic story because there was a lot going on

between them sexually that was quite outlandish for its time. But what strikes me when I see photos of them are the way they dressed. Into fashion and I think maybe a little too much into Nazis, if I remember the crown. Right. I think he was a little too friendly with Nazi Germany there.

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So... We'll be the judge of that. Maybe it could be a little surprising. Especially right off the top with the first pick. Because... Yeah.

That's all I'm going to say about that one. So I'm going to play the jam. We're going to play it. And you, of course, you're Ziggy. You can talk any time you want, but I'm going to fade it down after the first chorus. I'll fade it down, and then we'll talk about it. And Joel, you can interject any time you want to.

Awesome. Great. I want to hear your feedback, too. Can I drink a beer, too? You can go nuts, yeah. Pop one open. Pop open a beer. Do it on the microphone.

Yeah, do it now. Okay, we'll do it before the jam. I'll have one too. This one's called Over My Dad Body Pilsner. I'm going to have one too, and I don't have my glasses. Help me here. What kind of beer do you like? And I'll pick you the one that...

Oh, Barrel Cities. Do you want this one? That's Old Vienna. No, no, that's 4.8. Are you sure? That's a good one for you. That's light. Okay, wonderful.

I don't know much about beer, but I'm learning through this wonderful company. Great Lakes. And the last time when I was on, we discussed there is a Great Lakes in Cleveland, too. That's right, and they had that bet during the Cavaliers

Raptors series. We won't talk about how that went. Cheers. All I know is that Cavs are terrible now, so yes, cheers to you all. I know, but they're growing. Colin Sexton is the bomb, man. I missed my mouth. Oh no. I hate when that happens. We never would have known.

It's okay. So let's start the jam and then we'll chat about it. I I want you to move to California for yourself I want you to find whatever your heart needs I want you to move to California for yourself But not for me. I want you to go out there and find somebody else. I want him to treat you like I know he should. I want you to find somebody new for yourself. California by Delta Spirit.

I know. You wouldn't think, would you? Because you won't be moving to California because you wanted to stay here. You had an opportunity. I guess it's for all the guys that moved to California. I love this song because it's so hard driving in a sense, but it's so gracious at the same time.

It's so juxtaposed to me. And I just love the lyrics. Do you like this song, Joe? I love it. Where did you go to high school? Oh, I went to Renamy Collegiate. With Dwight Drummond. Dwight Drummond, John and Sienna.

Who she says is younger than her, but looks older than her. Double D. Boo taboo. My boy. Dwight Drummond was in a couple of videos, I remember, in the late 80s. It's surprising what everyone did. They were having a tuna sandwich at lunch, and somebody would say, Hey, you want to do a commercial or a video?

That's the way it went. At Runnymede? No. At City TV. That was later. Oh, wow. Good school, Runnymede. Yeah.

That's where my daughter's going to go. Wow. She's at Runnymede Elementary right now. Oh, wow. Which was under lockdown. Yes. Yeah, well, my kids are at Humberside. They were at lockdown too.

That was not true. That's crazy, the lockdown. Well, it was that, because Western Tech is where the incident happened. Right. But no one got hurt. Or no one, yeah. That's a good thing.

That was scary, because your kids are too young to be texting you during lockdown. I'm getting texts during lockdown, and I'm like, this is scary. Shouldn't happen. Uncomfortable. It should not happen.

The reason I ask is this sort of reminds me of a sort of Molly Ringwald's 16 Candles type tune. Is that what it reminds you? Really? I just like the fact that it's so gracious. And it's so hard driving. Yeah. Good tune.

I think it's a weird song. And I just love it. I love driving. Yeah. Yeah. Good tune. I think that's, I think it's a weird song and I just love it. I love what he has to say. And I'm so unfamiliar with Delta Spirit. Like, I feel like I have something to learn about Delta Spirit.

I think I do too. I mean, I haven't listened to anything else by them. Interesting. Yeah, he's got that, you're right,

it's like a power pop kind of sound. Like, it's got a, it drives, you're right, it drives. It drives. What he's got that, you're right, it's like a power pop kind of sound, like, it's got a, you're right, it drives. It drives. What he's saying is,

you know, I'm wishing you well. Go off to California, find someone new, always think of you. I wish they all could be California girls. Ah,

yeah. All right, let's kick out another jam. All right. All right. All right, let's kick out another jam. All right. All right. My fingernails are filthy I've got beach tar on my feet And I miss my clean white linen

And my fancy French cologne Oh, Carrie, get out your cape And I'll put on some silk Oh, you're a mean old daddy But I like you Amazing. Carrie, Joni Mitchell. Yes.

Amazing. Yes. I think it's a really happy song. It reminds me of being on holiday. It reminds me of my youth in the 70s and the whole sensibility of the 1970s for me and her independence in it. And I love that he's a mean old daddy, but you're out of sight. It's the lingo.

I love Joni. I love Joni, too. I think that's the reason Joel became an honorary Canadian is Joni Benjamin. Is that right, Joel? Could be. Yeah. Well, I know I did some work with David Clayton Thomas. I did an EPK for him when he did an album called Canadiana.

And he did a Joni Mitchell tune on it. I can't remember which one. Was it A Case of You? No, I can't remember which song it was. But in the EPK, when I did the interview with him, he revealed that he had a big crush on Joni Mitchell during the Yorkville era. Well, Neil Young was there at that era, right? Yeah, Rick James.

Yeah, right, Rick James, the main, my birds? Minor birds. Minor birds, yeah, yeah, yeah. David was part of that. David was also part of the Young Streets. He was booked on the show once, and then the gentleman who was kind of coordinating it all said he wanted to do a phoner instead of come in, and I took a pass

on the phoner because I wanted him to come in. It's not the same over the phone. No. No, and I kept thinking, well, he was almost coming in, so maybe he'll come in again. Joni Mitchell's amazing. She just turned 75 years old. Yes. It's amazing. And one of the Joni Mitchell songs that always makes me cry is The River.

Oh, yeah. Oh, yeah. That's another pre-Christmas song. Yes, yes, they do. Yes, because it talks about Christmas. It's a precursor. And her biggest Canadiana song, I think, is Raised on Robbery. Raised on Robbery. Because it starts a guy sitting in the lounge of the

Empire Hotel, betting on the Maple Leafs. Yes, she always interjects something Canadian. For instance, in A Case of You, where she draws a map of Canada with it's your face on, what is it?

Your face on the coaster. That's right. The Alt Sisters do a great version of that, an acapella version of A Case of You. It's incredible. Joel is working on a show called Your All-Time Classic Hit Parade. And there are these young women on called the Alt Sisters,

and they're quite young and very, very talented. Alanna, Alicia, and Amanda. Yes. They're absolutely amazing singers and wonderful harmony, three-part harmony. They're just brilliant. I'd love that. I'd love to hear them sing

a case of you. I'll get you a copy of it. Oh, please. The new series hits. Bring it. When you come in to kick out the jams, we'll play it off the top.

I'll do that. Yeah, yeah, yeah. The new season starts January 4th on Vision TV. Nice. Good for you. A lot going on in Joel's world. See, he has a lot of announcements.

He's not lazy like you, Ziggy. You were asking me. No, he has a brand. He's Jewin's time. The brand is J. Gold. J. Gold in the house. Joel is the... When I come in, I'll bring you that graffiti

magazine from the 80s that was on the cover with all the other VJs. Fun. For sure, yeah. CFMT, right? That's right. Yeah, there was pretty much music. And is it Samantha Taylor on that cover too?

Yeah, Samantha Taylor is. All the original VJs. Who would be the... John Major. John Major, the late... Unfortunately, he's dead now. And all the much VJs. And then my co-host Shirley McQueen

of course Shirley McQueen she's out of market now she's in like Calgary no I think she's in Alberta yeah well Calgary's in Alberta oh did you say Calgary I'm not sure if it's Calgary

I thought it was Edmonton I loved Shirley McQueen. I love her. She's an amazing, amazing person. I'll get her to make the trip to Toronto. Come on, Toronto Mike. Let's do that. I'll see if I can.

She was here for the Q reunion. Oh, just missed her. Ziggy, I love that we get some more CanCon here. So you started off so American. It was called California. Right. But you put in some Joanie and now this beautiful Canadian song.

Come over to the window, my little darling. I'd like to try to read your palm. Try to read your palm I used to think I was some kind of gypsy boy Before I let you take me home Now so long, Marilyn It's time we began to love Now so long, Marianne It's time we began to laugh And cry, and cry

And laugh about it all again Of course, that's Leonard Cohen, Marianne. Yeah, two things about this song. There are lines that I really love. And one of them is, we met when we were almost young, deep in the green Lalik Park. And you held on to me like a crucifix

as we went reeling through the dark. Strangely, though, the Jewish part of me listens to the background through the dark. Strangely though, the Jewish part of me listens to the background and the echoing of the background which sounds very Eastern European Yiddish to me.

So it pulls at the string of my heart because my ancestry I feel is in this song. I guess that's the appeal of it. Not to mention his being a brilliant poet. Not altogether radio friendly.

But I love him. I'm so sad that he's gone. What do you think of this Ziggy Jam, Joel? I love every song. I've seen the list so far. So I know...

You know what he should have done? Kept it away from Joel. That would have been a good idea. Because he could have reacted organically. I love being Ziggy's sidekick. I'll pause this and get 10 new jams from Ziggy. And then we'll do that. Yeah, inspired choice. Leonard Cohen is... Like you mentioned, he is a poet, right?

He's a poet who sings. He's not radio friendly. I'm thinking of a few songs. What's the one about the tangerines? This one's Mary Ann. Suzanne. Oh, Suzanne. Suzanne's kind of got a radio...

That's another favorite of Ziggy's. I do like Suzanne. And you know what? I met Leonard Cohen on a few occasions. He spoke epigrammatically but he tolerated my silly questions because if you meet someone like him who's so

well spoken and you're young you ask dumb things like was Suzanne a blonde or a brunette because Suzanne wasn't a real person she's blonde right? no brunette and his best friend's wife. Basically.

She ended up a bag lady, Suzanne. In California. I did not know that. It all comes full circle because California was your first jam. Right, see? Who knew? Yeah, if you go to Montreal, there's a nice monument to California.

But you know, there is a theme carrying on that I just realized, and that is these are a lot of goodbye songs. Interesting. I tend to like goodbye songs. Here's what I've learned. You drink that beer while I tell you. What I've learned is that you learn far more about a person by having them kick out the jams.

They don't even consciously know how much they're revealing. But just in the stories they'll tell about why they like this, you'll suddenly realize you'll learn so much more about them than if you just talk about their career. And they have some kind of like, you're not getting their heart. This is where you reveal your heart. You can figure it out. I guess you could do that with classical composers and their music.

You can figure them out by listening to their music rather than a biographer writing about them, right? It would be better if those classical musicians had lyrics to their music. Wouldn't it? You know, that's interesting. What would Chopin say? And Beethoven, what would he say? Right.

I know what Mozart would say. Uh-huh. He'd be with us at those city TV parties I think so too I want to hear more about those city TV parties you know your guy you know your guy I feel like Ed

I might get more out of you than Ed right now but you know what we have to remember that's right as I said before I don't remember much it's a bit of a blur legitimate tape. But you know what? We have to remember. As I said before, I don't remember much. It's a bit of a blur. Those parties were just... Fun. Yeah, that's all we can say.

Okay, so here's what I'm going to pledge here. I'm going to do a TMLX3. I know Ziggy doesn't even know what TMLX is. It's like we're talking code here. Yeah, I don't know. By the way, in number two, I want to know, did Splashin' Boots show up? No. You know where they were?

Because my daughter was so disappointed when I told her because we're going to Cleveland. Who's the Alan Doyle? Alan Doyle in Newfoundland kept Splashin' Boots an extra night to record their album at his house. Never liked him. This is the story I know. Never liked him. This is the story. Never liked him. Now he's out of, I won't kick out into his jams anymore.

Alan Doyle. You know Alan Doyle, right? Of course. He's from Great Big Sea. Great Big Sea, yeah. Oh gosh, they were fantastic. And I was just kidding,

by the way. Yeah, great. I'm not. I'm not kidding. He's dead to me. So yeah, Splashin' Boots, I got a sad email

from Boots. We're talking such code here. Ziggy, I'm going to have to explain everything to Ziggy. Yeah, I don't know what you're talking about. But Boots wrote me this sad email from Boots. We're talking such code here. I'm going to have to explain it. Yeah, I don't know what you're talking about. But Boots wrote me this sad email about how sorry she was. But yeah, they never came. But we did have a lot of interesting people showed up.

Like Mike Wilner was there. There was a lot of interesting people, actually. But if Splash and Boots do show up to the next one, let me know. Who's Splash? Okay, well. It's my daughter, seven years old. And they're a duo. They sing

and they're children's performers. Oh. So you wouldn't know them, but... You don't watch Treehouse TV, Ziggy? Oh. Can't say that.

You're watching Treehouse. They kicked out the jam. Splash and Boots kicked out the jams here. Yeah, so... Interesting. And I have a two-year-old and a four-year-old,

and yeah, they're crazy about Splashin' Boots my daughter when I told her that and I was very happy or I will be very happy to tell her actually they didn't show up

no they didn't show up they didn't show up but I think that was the one sad thing is that I think a couple of people might have brought their kids to meet Splashin' Boots

and then no Splashin' Boots I felt terrible but nothing I could do about that one so they're like the new Sharon Lewis and Bram without the Bram? Yeah, yeah, yeah.

Great, great. Yeah, Rafi or Fred Penner, he's the other one. Okay, okay. But what's TMLX? Okay, so TMLX is the Toronto Mic'd Listener Experience. Oh!

And we all get together at the brewery. And we're going to do a TMLX3 and I won't reveal the specific date because I'm working it out with special guests. That's a big teaser. I'll tell you, Joel, after this recording. But it'll be in June. So in June 2019,

we're all going to collect at Great Lakes Brewery. Maybe, Joel, maybe you could bring Ziggy to TMLX 3. Sure. I'd love to. I'm in. I'm in. And I'm thinking TMLX 4. Sure. I'd love to come. I'm in, I'm in. And I'm thinking TMLX4 is going to be next December,

December 2019, with Ed Conroy and as many City TV people as I can get because we're going to watch this Ed Conroy's secret footage he's got. Ooh, that sounds really good.

A micro city reunion. That would be really great. And I'll see if Troy can get, or Mike Lackey, or whoever picks the beer stuff over be really great. And I'll see if Troy can get, or Mike Lackey or whoever picks the beer stuff over there at Great Lakes. I'll see if they can get the Electric Circus one put back in for that one. Mike, don't forget

to ask Joel who Tina Cortese is. Oh yeah. That conversation was before the recording. I feel like we've blended the pre-recording open discussion with the recording. Do you remember Tina Cortese. I feel like we've blended the pre-recording open discussion with the recording. But do you remember Tina Cortese? Yeah, she's awesome.

She was a senior news producer for many years. And when Citi went over to Rogers, she eventually became VP of news over there. Okay, because I got an email yesterday from Ann Romer. Oh, yeah. Basically ordering me. I do whatever Ann says at this point. Ann basically saying, you need to have Tina on your podcast.

I agree. I have to say this. Tina is one of the most underrated people in that whole era because she kept things together at City News. City Pulse News, I should say. She's awesome and hardworking. Just a wonderful News. She absolutely, or City Pulse News, I should say. She's awesome and

hardworking, just a wonderful person to be around. And that was not an easy, easy gig for her to have there. And I mentioned already that Ed's coming over on, this is the Ed show, I think. This is what this is. We love Ed. What's not to love? Do you know who you should have

on? Tell me. Who I really admire? Ada Zuccarian on City Pulse 24. She's on seven days a week. I think she does every story known to man for them. That's CP24, though. CP24, yeah, yeah. Art of Zuccarian. That's still Belle.

Yeah, but I love her, because every time you open up the TV, she's somewhere. The girl doesn't stop working. What's her name again? Arda Zukarian. I need to see. I'd probably recognize her face. Oh, you will.

Like if you watch. Because you know who's coming in, since we're just promoting future episodes, is coming soon to Toronto Mic is a young woman there named Kayla Williams. She's on quite a bit, actually. Oh, I know who she is. She was a professional volleyball player in the Philippines

Yes yes okay I just love artists Too much CP24 talk for this I know it's crazy She's the hardest working woman In show business right now I just I can't believe it I had trouble I tried to get a news person on

From CP24 Gurdip his name is Oh yeah Bell Media PR Said no to him I had trouble. I tried to get a news person on from CP25. Gurdip, his name is. Oh, yeah. Bell Media PR said no to him. Why? I didn't know what it was about. I didn't know if it was because he's a news person. I didn't know because I rarely

get that. But he told me he was denied permission. I wonder if he knows. I'm still wrapping my head around she was a professional volleyball player in the Philippines. That's the hook for the episode. Yeah, now she's all over CP24. But she's interesting

because I guess one of her parents is Filipino and one of her parents is Jamaican. And somebody told me she could play volleyball for the Philippines, Jamaica, and Canada. She hosts the weekends

with Arda Zuccarian. Okay, I think I just need to see Arda's face and I'd recognize her heartbeat. Okay, there you go. We're planning all the 2019 episodes. I like that. Anytime you get struck of inspiration on who a future guest should be, just spill it out.

Although there's lots of City TV people I'm still trying to get. I could do a whole year on just that. I like the idea of doing it at Great Lakes. Steve Anthony. Has Steve been on? Steve Anthony? Twice. He kicked out the jams, actually.

The first episode was amazing. Actually, I wasn't sure what to expect of Steve, the first episode was amazing. Yeah, actually, I wasn't sure what to expect of Steve, because I'd never met him. I only knew him from the TV, and I was blown away. First of all, I was blown away by how nice he was. For some reason, I didn't think he was that nice. He is. Well, you have to understand, too, he's incredibly smart.

Is he? Oh, yeah. Because he put five sweeteners in his coffee, and I didn't think that was very smart. Yeah, he's probably hanging from the ceiling. I didn't think that was very sweet. Yeah, he's probably hanging from the ceiling. I didn't know that was a measure of intellectual. No,

his energy. He had me sip it. He said, try this. He put five full sweeteners. Like, I have black coffee now, but I used to put

a third of a sweetener in a coffee. Are you one of these guys who you weaned yourself off the sugar in the coffee? Yeah, I did, I did, I totally did.

My friend Scott Dobson did that too. But now I look back, I don't miss it at all. It's funny how you do it if you just do it in weaning. So I do French press every morning.

I drop the kids off at daycare and kindergarten and then I come home. It's like 8 a.m. and I brew, I boil water and I make French press coffee. But now it's like

I plunge, I pour, I drink. There's no doctoring. It's so much more convenient. Yes, I weaned myself off sugar in 1984. God bless you. But not the coffee. Joel used to tell me when he was my producer,

wow, Ziggy, I mean, do you think 15 coffees are enough for today? He's just like, wow. Oh, man. We're like wired. I do start my morning with the coffee, but then I don't have another one all day, but I do start with a pretty big one. The one thing that we learned to do at City,

this is incredibly serious, as you all know, was how to drink a cup of coffee while getting into a truck and being on the road without spilling your coffee. Really. That was the one thing spilling your coffee. Really. That was the one thing that I remember doing very well.

That's like that license to drive. There's a whole scene. Like if he had the coffee really high, no litter or anything, of course, and it's like

if it drops spills, you fail your test. Yeah, and that's just before like, you know, they gave you those lids that were closed up, right? Exactly.

All right, excellent. That was Leonard Cohen. Very important stuff we're discussing right now. But actually, this is the stuff I enjoy, so keep that all coming. But here is another jam from Ziggy. Why is my heart so light? Why are the stars so bright? Why is the sky so blue Since the hour I met you?

Flowers are smiling bright, smiling for our delight. Smiling so tenderly for the world, you and me I know why the world is smiling Smiling so tenderly It hears the same old story Through all eternity this is my song here is a song a serenade to you The world cannot be

wrong If in this world there is you I cannot want the world to be the same Without your love This is my song. Really, this is Ziggy's song.

It's really my song. Petula Clark. Yes. I've loved that song since I was a kid. And it's so innocent. And I learned many years later that it was written by Charlie Chaplin. Wow. I did not know that.

Yes. Charlie Chaplin wrote that song, I guess, for his wife, Una O'Neill, the daughter of the playwright Eugene O'Neill, the daughter of the playwright, Eugene O'Neill. But it's charming, and it was also written in French. I believe it was written in French first. There's a French rendition that Pajula sings and the English one. I just love that song.

It's so sweet. So when you hear it now, like when you hear it in those headphones right now, are you young again? Like does it take you back like in a time machine? It does. It does. It takes me back but it also puts me in the present. It's just

I don't know, pulls at my heart this one. That's the beauty of music, right? The beauty of music. Innocence. And it's what love is. How you feel when you're in love. Big finish. Yeah.

That's the other great thing. It's sweeping. Yeah. It's very dramatic. The horns and the strings. Joel, you're familiar with that song? Yes, absolutely. How come I, maybe I'm just, I just missed it.

You're not a Petulia Clark fan? Well, downtown is Petulia Clark, right? So other than that, though, I do struggle not a Petulia Clark fan? Well, downtown is Petulia Clark, right? So other than that, though, I do struggle too. Yeah. Didn't she do Don't Sleep in the Subway? Yeah. Don't sleep in the subway, darling. Yeah, yeah, yeah.

And downtown I used to like too because I loved going downtown to, my mother was a big spender and loved department stores. Her credit was like crazy. So like Simpsons and Eden's? Simpsons, the room. And it was always so dim, right, in the early 60s.

It was like a real department store. So I associated downtown with going to simpsons with my mother well when when i was that age too going downtown cleveland was a big deal and my mother would get us dressed up and i'd wear a tie correct comb my hair and we'd go to higby's and hallie's which were the two big department stores downtown cleveland and it was old school and I'd ride an escalator and go, wow. It was fun, wasn't it? And you'd have like, they had all these like great cafeterias in the department stores.

So you could get like tremendous things to eat. Lunch should be part of the whole excursion. You could have whatever you want. We had our shiny shoes. You're in your little suit. I was in my coat hat and white gloves. Hello. White gloves. The fun fact about

that Simpsons for people of a certain age is that that's where they filmed Today's Special. Today's Special was a big show in early 80s, I'd say, on TV Ontario. It was filmed in the Simpsons at night. Yeah, nice.

It was a mannequin in a department store and it in the Simpsons at night. Yeah, nice, huh? It was a mannequin in a department store and it was the Simpsons. Simpsons also, in their basement, they had their Red Hots. And so it was right by the entrance to the subway. The Red Hots were hot dogs. Right, yes, yes, yes.

And they would serve you honeydew and it was in a Dixie cup that went into a steel thing. Right, container. Container. And the Red Hots are really good. I still dream about those. Honeydew is a drink I remember a lot as a kid. Honeydew was a big deal.

I don't think I've encountered honeydew in a long time remember a lot as a kid Like honeydew is a big deal I don't think I've Seen it Encountered honeydew In a long time Or orange Julius Orange Julius Well I think that's like They still have one Like square one or something

I've seen one somewhere But the honeydew I've always felt When I was growing up I felt like that was Like a definitive Like Ontario drink Or something

But I don't think I've seen honeydew Since the mid 80s I know What happened to honeydew I know honeydew Had a big shop on Bay Street. It was a brand name? I thought it was like a style of drink.

But it was also like a diner. Okay, a diner too. Yeah, they did. Honeydew had their diner. I guess they were serving Red Hots there. I never really went to the one on Bay. But I loved the hot dogs, the red hots at Simpsons in the basement.

Now, Simpsons, did they always have that bridge between Simpsons and Edens? No. When did that come into play? In the 80s, that shows up? I think in the 70s. Interesting. I was more a Simpsons girl than I was a Edens girl.

Sorry, Edens. It's a Bay now, is that right Eatons girl. Sorry, Eatons. It's a bay now. Is that right? Is that the bay right now? Yeah, right. The bay. Interesting stuff. See all this Toronto history.

Love it. Love it. You like that stuff, don't you? I do. That's why the best stuff is happening between the songs. Are you kidding me?

Here's a jam for you. Let's kick this one out. You have to let that rock drop. The oil down the desert way has been shaken to the top. The shaky floor is Cadillac. He went cruising down the hill. The poison was standing on the radiator grill. You know it's a headbanger because all three of us are banging it. I know. That's a jam right there, Ziggy. I know. Rock the Casbah You know it's a headbanger because all three of us are banging it. I know. That's a jam right there, Ziggy. I know.

Rock the Casbah, the clash. It's just fun. I have good memories dancing to that song. I went from Disco Bunny to Punk Rocker to New Waver. As many of us did. Yeah, we did. We went through all this.

Can you name some of the places you danced? Domino Club, JoJo's. What about Nuts and Bolts? Remember that place? Yeah, Nuts and Bolts. Yeah, I started first at the gay bars when I was 16. They were fun. And they had drag shows at night.

I'm sure my parents are really thrilled. I would come and roll. I'd roll in with a taxi at around, I don't know, four in the morning. As long as you were safe. As long as we were safe. Yeah. Yeah, for sure. We usually were.

But yeah, this was just a fun song that I put in. It just makes me happy. It's kind of a nonsensical song, really. I mean, but that's okay. It's just fun. But I know what you're saying. A lot of Clash songs are very political. I guess this one is too.

Whatever Rockin' the Caspon means. I don't know if I've ever analyzed this. What is this song about, Jewel? You're the musicologist here. You know what? I agree. It's sort of a little bit about nothing other than we should all be dancing together. I think that's the big thing. I think so. Even though, I don't know what's up

with the radiator grill and then Rockin' the Caspon and the planes. I think it's a call for people to get together. Yeah, yeah. And through music and dance. Fun. One of my first favorite albums was London Calling. See?

1980 or 79, right at the cusp there. But anyway, yeah. Great album. I think there's so many songs that we've forgotten about that came out in the 80s. And every so often you'll hear one and go, oh my god, I've completely forgotten about that one. It was a good time, early 80s.

If you live the 80s, it's funny to see which songs sort of still show up on a boom or something, like some kind of a retro radio station where they play 80s songs. Certain songs have sort of survived to be played played still every day and then there's all these great songs that are sort of left to like on the to time like they're just sort of disappeared who did i hear the secrets that you keep when you're talking in your sleep no no rockwell right

uh that's the romantic it's the romantic i hear oh yeah what am i thinking of uh That's the Romantics. The Romantics. I hear. Oh, yeah. What am I thinking of? I always feel like someone's watching me. They're both stalker anthems,

like the police every breath you take. The Romantics were a pop band from Detroit. Good. That's a great tune. I love that song. Tell me that you want me. Right.

Great tune. Yeah. Yeah, the Romantics. I'm sorry. Right away I was thinking of, because I know Michael Jackson sings backup on the Rockwell team. Well, yeah, he sings the chorus. Yeah, right,antics. I'm sorry. Right away I was thinking of, because I know Michael Jackson sings backup on the Rockwell

team. Yeah, he sings the chorus. Yeah, right, right, right. But they tend to sometimes play the same

ones, right? The typical ones, like, oh, God. Well, the one that gets played, like a lot of them, but like

Aha's Take On Me, for example, is still in high rotation on your 80s throwback station or whatever. Yeah, but there are others that were really great.

I noticed Toto's had a comeback lately. Toto's great. I saw them live at Casino Niagara or Casino Rama with Michael McDonald. It was a great concert. They came at the end and they all played together. It's a great band.

Correct me if I'm wrong, but we just mentioned Michael Jackson singing the chorus for Rockwell there. But don't the Toto guys write songs for Thriller? Yeah, they wrote Human Nature. Right. So it all comes back to MG.

Rosanna. That's a great tune. Rosanna, but Rosanna Arquette, the actress. Who was in Pulp Fiction. Right. Yeah, Rosanna. And Desperately Seeking Susan. Yes, with Madonna.

Right, that's right. Look at this. We can keep doing this all day long. That was a key movie, Desperately Seeking Susan. It was, yeah. Wow. Yeah, we're back at this. Everyone wanted to be Madonna when they saw Desperately Seeking Susan.

Yeah, but Madonna, I always felt like, yeah, that song set her up to be like a movie star, but I don't feel Madonna the movie star really ever emerged. No, because they wouldn't let her be both. But I thought she was great. But a lot of people are both, aren't they?

Or am I, like, I'm thinking of like... Oh, Jennifer Lopez. Yeah, Jennifer Lopez. Jennifer Lopez. But I always liked Majana's roles. Even the ones that they really trashed. What was that? The bomb that she did with Sean Penn.

Shanghai Surprise. Shanghai Surprise. Yeah, I know. But I even liked that one. And I liked the one that everyone hated, Swept Away. Oh, the remake. Yeah. Does that like that?

I did. The original Swept away. I saw a City TV late movie one night and I was like, what is this? This is amazing. What is this? I never did see the remake. Yeah, I liked her stuff. Madonna, there's a

she still played every day on all the retro stations. She had a lot of good tunes. She did. And her videos, everybody used to wait for them to come out because they were a big deal when they came out. There were always something special each and every time.

Yeah, the only comparable in that regard I can think of is Michael Jackson, where it was an event when these videos came out. Absolutely. Absolutely. Let's kick out another Ziggy Jam. Romance But I thought you'd always have those young boys eyes And now they're looking tired and bitter glances glances at the ghost of the girl

who walks round in my disguise I get the feeling that I don't belong here

There's no welcome at the window anywhere And I look down for a number on my keychain Does it feel more

like a hotel every day There's a stranger in the house and nobody's seen her face But everybody says She's taken my place

There's a stranger in the house No one will ever see But everybody says Stranger in the House, Rachel Sweet. I know. Rachel Sweet came and went, unfortunately. Great voice, though. Great voice. Of course. Her voice is so bizarre.

And this was sort of off the beaten path for her because it's sort of a country tinge. Yeah, more than a tinge. This is an outright country song, isn't this? She did more power pop. Yeah, usually. Because I don't know her, I just assumed she was a country artist based on this song.

No, she should have been. They should have taken her out to Nashville because her voice is impeccable for country. And I just love this song. I mean, I love the lyrics to this song. Everybody says she looks like me. Is there something ghostly about this song? Yeah. she looks like me. Is there something ghostly about this song?

Yeah. It's like ghosts or something. I don't know. I've always loved Rachel Sweet. I'm loving this beer, too. Over My Dad Body. That's a popular one. Yeah, it's very good.

This is very good, too. It's going right to my head. This is where I want it to go. It's lovely. Well, get Ziggy another one, please. No, no, no. My God. Oh, no.

Baby, it's cold outside. Yeah. That's the barrel series. They'll come out with the beer. Yeah, you can tell the guys playing behind her are these Nashville Session guys. She looks like me Reminds me of like Laura, okay, Laura Lumpkin or whatever the character was on The Simpsons when Homer managed the country singer's career.

Right, right, they fell in love. Lumpkin, yes. Well, she tried to seduce him. Right, right, yeah. She tried to seduce Homer. And he went back to Marge. And he wrote a song like Stand By Your Manager or something.

Laura Lumpkin? It was something Lumpkin. That was just straight up country. I had no idea that she was not a country artist. But it seems like it's even edgier than country. They took it up a lot of notches, right? So it's like, what would you even call it?

I mean, the background. That's country. That's country. Yeah, but it's... I wouldn't call it new country. No. It's called old country. It's old school country.

Yeah, what are we here? Like this is late 70s or around there? Okay, cool. Sweet. Sweet, no pun intended. See what I did there? Rachel Sweet. Accidentally.

Rachel Sweet. That's a sweet jam. I wonder whatever happened to. Sweet. Sweet, no pun intended. See what I did there? Rachel Sweet. Rachel Sweet. That's a sweet jam. I wonder whatever happened to Rachel Sweet. Everybody right now is Googling her. That's right. What happened to Rachel Sweet? Hopefully only good things have happened to Rachel Sweet. Let's return to the CanCon.

Going back to the 80s again. Above the dark town After the sun's gone down Two vapor trails cross the sky Catching the day's last slow goodbye Black skyline looks rich as velvet Something is shining like gold. But better rumors of glory. Rumors of glory.

Smiles mixed with curses. Rumors of glory, Bruce Colburn. This is Joel's buddy. Yes, yes. And Joel did a wonderful doc on Bruce Colburn, who deserved a doc. And I think that this album, Rumors of Glory album, was sort of his apotheosis.

And it was so part of the 80s Toronto culture, big time. This song is it, I think. Yeah, this song is the bamboo. Don't you think? Yeah, the bamboo club. Yeah, very reggae influenced. Yeah, beautiful.

Beautiful. He's one of the most underrated artists in the history of pop music in Canada I still think that I agree I agree too it's unanimous yes

he should be right up there so we talk about like we talk about Joni Mitchell and Neil Young and Leonard Cohen and yeah Gordon Lightfoot

that's the Mount Rushmore right there and Bruce Colburn should be right up there I agree I like this this bridge part right here. Hugh Marsh on violin.

Yeah, I think that's brilliant. And it's funny, because I kick out the jams a lot, and on more than one occasion, people have wanted to kick out Bare Naked Ladies, Lovers in a Dangerous Time. It's funny,

because a lot of times we think of Bob Dylan as this great songwriter, but we prefer his songs by other artists or whatever. But for some reason, that Bare Naked Ladies cover of Bruce Coburn resonates with people.

Resonates. There's a whole website about Bruce Coburn covers. I forgot what it was called, but it's a whole website dedicated to covers of Bruce Coburn songs. He's just a great songwriter. Wonderful.

And Bruce is a good name. I remember once Jim Carrey singing If I Had a Rocket Launcher. He loved that song. It's a great tune. If I Had a Rocket Launcher. He loved that song. It's a great tune. Where did you see this? I was hanging out with Jim Carrey and his friend. She just drops his name. She's hanging out with him.

No, really. He just started to sing If I Had a Rocket Launcher. Well, that's his politics, too, now, these days. Actually, that really makes sense. And how well did you know Jim Carrey? I think you did a movie with Jim Carrey. Yes, that's right. In fact, every once in a while,

someone will tweet at me, oh, found it, like a picture of the cover or something. Yeah, it's pretty hilarious because it was never really finished, but they put it together. Well, because he became famous and then they retroactively, I think,

stuck it out and stuck his name on the cover and said, here's a Jim Carrey movie. They should have said, here's a Ziggy movie and that would have sold it. That was a love interest. But no, we saw each other off in Copper Mountain.

It was shot in Copper Mountain, Colorado. And Rita Coolidge was in it. And Ronnie Hawkins got to hang out with those guys and sing with Rita Coolidge. See, that was one of the great Ziggy stories

from that episode. There were other great Ziggy stories. I'll never forget the Bizarre story. Because Bizarre was a show I have all these memories of watching. John Biner, is that the guy's name? I keep forgetting about all this stuff. That was a great show.

It was a great show. And that's where Super Dave Osborne became famous. Yeah, because he was one of the producers of the show. Bob Einstein. Right, and I can tell you, his brother...

He did the Cher show, I think. So Bob Einstein, is that how you pronounce it, right? So yeah, Bob Einstein. You say Einstein and I say Einstein. You say potato. But his brother is Albert Brooks. That's Einstein. I say Einstein. You're right. You say potato. But his brother is Albert Brooks. That's right.

And why is he Albert Brooks? Because his birth name is? Albert Einstein. Albert Einstein. So that's how that works. Yep. Woohoo. It's the greatest hits here.

Bizarre. Oh, God. My life is bizarre, actually. That should be the name when you do your final autobiography or whatever and things you've learned or whatever,

like another one, like a sequel. You can call it Bazaar with the exclamation mark on the end, right? Because it had an exclamation mark on the end. Well, I thought it was something like I should have had a banana. I should have had a banana.

I don't know. That needs a backstory, I think. Hey, before I kick out this next jam, we only have a few left here, I want to play this, because I meant to play this earlier, just to remind people, but here, better late than never.

Ziggy's got a lot on her mind these days. See for yourself. So her great fear is that I'm going to go out and have an affair. Too bad, you're going to have to wait until I really lose my virginity. I really wouldn't admit it to her. Feminism is one of the great

reform movements of the last 200 years. I think you'll get a real blast out of what's in that bag. I don't think anything based on greed is really good in the end. No, except sex.

Okay, cut the bubbles. Camille Paglia's in that. Life on Venus Avenue. Yes, yes. Five days a week. Shot out of my house. Back in the day. But you don't live in that house anymore.

No, I don't. Yeah, I finally, after many, many years, sold it because I felt it was full of too many memories. Oh, interesting. It was time to move on. Interesting.

Just a clean slate. Yeah, I wanted a clean slate. Like an Etch-A-Sketch when you push the thing back. You got it. Wow, cool. Speaking of 80s, I think Etch-A-Sketch is, I don't know if they're still popular. Everything's digital now. They still sell them?

They must still sell them, yes. But you know what? They're boring because everything's a square. Everything's right angles. You're right. You can't do it. Yeah, you can't get any roundness in there. That's true.

That's true. And every kid's got a tablet or access to a tablet. Yes, that's right. Who wants the Etch-A-Sketch? I can... My three-year-old son is an expert on the iPod. Exactly. See?

iPad. iPad. Sorry, not iPod. Yeah. Both. Times are changing. No, iPod's out, Ziggy. That's gone.

Oh, but I guess. The phone, the smartphone ruined it. The iPhone ruined the iPod. That's right. Because all my songs would go on my phone now. That's right. Why do I need an iPod? That's right.

Yeah, yeah. Although I actually think you should bring it back because the battery life of my phone is deteriorating rapidly. Well, you see, this is it. And I don't want to lose my phone, so now I don't want to play all my songs on my phone if it means I won't in my phone is deteriorating rapidly. Well, you see, this is it. I don't want to lose my phone, so now I don't want to play all my songs on my phone if it means I won't have my phone at the end of the day

in case I need to make a phone call. Right. That's right. So it's like, now bring back the iPod. You know what I mean? I'll listen on that and save my phone. You know what we did with our iPod? We put it in the car, and it's there all the time.

So we have 1,000 plus songs, and it just stays in the car. That's good. Bluetooth or whatever you use. just stays in the car. That's good. Bluetooth or whatever you use to... Yeah, exactly. Right. That's good. There you go. There you go.

Those are for your trips to Cleveland. Oh, yeah. The many trips to Cleveland, yeah. Who rules the tunes, though? Do you pick them, or do you just let them... I do, and then my wife, Michelle, did, but now the kids. They have their favorites, so they rule. Splashin' Boots?

Does that get in the mix? No, we don't have that on the iPod. They like what we were talking about. They like Madonna. They like Earth, Wind & Fire. They like some of the stuff we grew up with. Awesome. Here's another jam.

Oh my God. Well, I'll be damned Here comes your ghost again But that's not unusual It's just that the moon is full And you happen to call And here I sit And on the telephone Hearing a voice I'd known

A couple of light years ago Heading straight for a fall As I remember your eyes were bluer than robin's eggs My poetry was lousy, you say Where are you calling from? A booth in the Midwest Ten years ago I bought you some cufflinks I'm not sure we have a verse-chorus-verse structure on this song. Yeah, this is like a soundtrack song. And it was brought to my attention by someone.

I hadn't listened to it first this person did and said jeez i just listened to a song that's a soundtrack of your life wow and uh i listened to it and i said yes it is so if i had to everyone has one song that is the soundtrack for their life and this would be mine. Mine, it's quite dreary, isn't it? Well, you mentioned earlier you had a lot of goodbye songs. Yeah. This song is called Diamonds and Rust.

Right. By Joan Baez. Tell me, like, what is it that speaks to you? I'm doing some psychoanalysis here. Well, I think it's probably the part where you got the Madonna for free, the girl on the half shell. And my show was Life on Venus Avenue. I like the reference to the phone booth in the Midwest.

She's calling from a phone booth in the Midwest. He's calling her. But it's over, right? Yeah, it's over. For a moment she's Yeah, it's over. But for a moment, she's thinking, it's not. At the end of the call,

she finally decides it's not worth it to go back. And that wouldn't happen today because everybody has cell phones. So you don't have that feeling of, oh my God, how am I going to get in touch with this person? No. Right. Unless your battery dies because you listen to have that feeling of oh my god how am i going to get in touch with this person no

right unless your battery dies because you listen to all that music and they have no excuse because you have a record that you call them i mean everything is yeah it's just so different it's ruined the plot to many uh movies and sitcoms etc where it was always on a miscommunication which couldn't exist you'd send a text and then the problem would be solved. That's right. Too much texting goes on in the movies now. Right? It's too much about the text. The text and the phone.

The phone's always there. But you know, back in the day when you had your rotary phone, if you weren't home, good luck. Right. And often we didn't leave home because we're expecting a call if it was from a guy that you really cared about you didn't want to leave home right no i remember this i remember this uh yeah i know kiss up and there's something kind of great about that kind of grand well there's something great about how i'm you know i'm going out uh to whatever get groceries and then i gotta get gas and I got to do

this and then for the next two hours you will not be able to reach me. It was easier to hide. There's no way you could reach me. The world could be falling apart. You won't be able to reach me. There's more mystery actually because you could actually hide. That's right. And on the flip side though,

it could be frustrating when you needed to reach somebody. You don't have a phone. You got to find a phone booth where's the phone booth super frustrating super frustrating yeah and like little things like you're maybe oh you're the movie we thought the movie started nine it actually starts at at eight like uh now you're i gotta call i gotta call my friend and let him know but yeah you're sol because your friend might already be on his bike and now he's out of pocket. That's right. But we weren't sort of attached to it as much.

We were born blind. If you're born blind, you don't miss the beautiful sunrise and sunset. But there was a whole telephone etiquette. There is a table for your telephone and a way in which you answer the telephone correctly and said goodbye correctly. Yes. And how did

you answer it? Was it like a hello Ziggy speaking? Sometimes I would say the residents. Hello Ziggy residents. Lawrence residents or just hello. It was always how are you first and hope you're well and at the end a real goodbye. or just hello. That's right. It was always, how are you first? And hope you're well.

And at the end, a real goodbye. We're actually getting rid of our landline finally in 2019. We've decided. I did it already. I did it five years ago. Yeah, me too.

Well, more than that. Seven years ago. Really? Me too, yeah. Wow. Yeah, got rid of it about then. What's up with us?

Five years ago. But there is a moment here I experienced this. Because it's hard to get rid of. Here's what keeps you at the landline. You've got a seven-year-old, right? When you're a seven-year-old, let's say your seven-year-old is 10. There will be a gap between where you actually leave her home alone,

but she won't have her own cell phone. So there will be a period of time where you're going to have this moment of like, oh, now I know why we need a landline. There is a moment just before the teens get their own phones. The only other thing is, I guess, when there's a power failure, you can still use the landline. But we're beyond that. We never use it. It's gone.

Yeah, it's time. And it costs money, right? Yeah, it's gone. I do remember the old days of the phone ringing and the whole, like, I'm sorry, he's not here right now. May I take a message? Right.

This was a whole thing. And we had this down pat. That's right. Take a message. That's right. I'm sorry, he's not home right now. I'm sorry, he's not available right now. Yeah, you're not supposed to be at home

because you don't want the bad people to know you're home alone or whatever. So, oh, not available right now. I remember the phones being so heavy, those big black suckers That we had in the early 60s Lead or whatever, yeah Yeah, they were heavy

I remember phone numbers from back then Do you remember all your phone numbers? Oh yeah, absolutely But you only had to know seven You didn't have to know any area code Yeah, no area code But we did have like Lennox and Madison Evergreen You had Evergreen? It was our EV1 have like Lennox and Madison. That's Evergreen.

You had Evergreen. That was our EV1. We had Lennox. And you're too young to have Lennox. This I don't know, actually, because I just grew up with seven digits. That was your phone number. Yeah, we had Lennox and God knows what else there were. Right.

Crazy. Yeah, it is crazy. It's just crazy how the digital revolution has changed everything. You remember how you never left home, you never went on a road trip or whatever without the map book. Do you remember the map book? It was like playing a game of Battleship.

Because it'd be like, oh, for this street you have to go to, I don't know, B17 on this page. And you would go, oh, there it is. That's completely gone. But you know, you got oh, there it is. Like that's completely gone. But you know, you got by. Yeah, yeah, yeah. We found places.

Like we weren't all lost. You got lost a bit more. But then you went to the gas station and asked the guy. Right, exactly. No white pages, no yellow pages. That was a lot of paper. Yeah, it's long gone now, the white pages and the yellow pages. Now it's, yeah, it's a lot of stuff that I look back.

Even encyclopedias. Do you remember how important encyclopedias were for doing a school project? Oh, yeah, absolutely. And you would go to the... If you didn't have a set, because who had a set? You might start it at the grocery store. You'd get to C, and then you'd abandon. You'd have A, B, C, but nothing more. But you'd go to the library, and then you'd look into their encyclopedias

to learn things. I remember with the encyclopedias, that's what you would read on a Sunday when you were really bored. There's nothing to do. Because you could get bored because you had the radio. And then my sister complained because for school projects,

I cut out all the photographs from the encyclopedia. And I said, well, we didn't have the National Geographic. What did you expect me to do? Oh, man. We could do a whole episode on things that are obsolete.

Obsolete things. Yes. Hey, man. We could do a whole episode on things that are obsolete. Obsolete things. Yes. But let's... Hey, speaking of... I mentioned earlier that 50-something-year-old sports media personalities will come on this show and kick out the jams. And I can pretty much set my watch by the fact that I'm going to hear a song from this guy. You're not

a 50-something-year-old sports media personality. Can I set this up before you play it? Yeah, of course. I think I know which one play it? Yeah, of course. Okay. I think I know which one this is. Well, I think I understand this artist's telepathic communication. I think this is a real Zoomer song.

When I say Zoomer, it's a boomer with zip. This is a song about grabbing your last chances and just going for it. The screen door slams Mary's dress waves Like a vision she dances Across the porch as the radio plays Roy Orbison singing for the lonely Hey, that's me and I want you only Don't turn me home again I just can't face myself alone again

Don't run back inside, darling You know just what I'm here for So you're scared and you're thinking That maybe we ain't that young anymore Sure, little faith, there's magic in the night You ain't a beauty, but hey, you're alright Oh, and that's alright, isn't it? You can hide, get your covers and study your pain

Because your lover's stories isn't around. Waste your summer praying and beg for a savior to rise from these dreams. Well, I'm no hero that's understood Or an addiction I've been

offered. Girls, we need this dirty good. With a chance to make it good somehow Hey, what else can we do now Except roll down the window and let the wind blow back your hair Well, the night's busted open, these two ways will take us anywhere We got one last chance to make it real Thunder Road, Ruth Springsteen. Yeah, it's time to roll down the windows, right? Get driving, go somewhere, do things.

Go for it. That's why I love this one. It's epic, right? It is epic, yeah. There's so many great lines in that, too. I like the line, your graduation dress lies at your feet. You're the skeletons of worn-out Chevrolets.

No wonder it's a boomer song. Get out, right? It's got zip, too. Yeah, but I think most of the people that are pioneering aging are the boomers. And it's notable that they would like the song. Do you know what I mean? It's how we feel.

We don't think about our age, really, even though I'm making an issue right now. We don't think about it. We're still young at heart. You don't think about your age. Nope. But it shapes your nostalgia, right? Sure, sure, yeah. It sure does.

Well, you know, you've lived all those times inside you and you've been all those ages, of course. But none of us are giving up. But would you trade it? Here's my question, Ziggy. Would you trade it? Like, if I told you I could put you to be 25 again, like, would you make that trade? Would you trade it? If I told you I could put you 25 again, would you make that

trade? Would you trade the seasoning that you've earned? See, that's the answer. That's everything, right? No. It's even better now in many senses. Every year is better, is the way I look at it. I think so too, Joel.

Yeah. Right? We've smartened up a little bit. You're a lot calmer. And Springsteen was, he was part of, you know, my growing up,

the first three albums. Greetings from Asbury Park, The Wild, The Innocent, and The E Street Shuffle. And then this album. It was a hard choice though, too, because I really love the song

Jersey Girl. Oh, great tune. I love his rendition of Jersey Girl, but that was really written by John Waits, wasn't it? But he does a great version. Bruce does. Do you think they're going to ban Christmas Card from a hooker in Minneapolis?

Is that the Tom Waits song? You better not ban that one. You know, Frank Zappa's rolling in his grave with all this censorship crap. We need Frank Zappa. We need Frank Zappa. That was a sharp cookie. That guy was almost as smart as Steve Anthony.

But a crazy guy, nonetheless. He's right up there with Warren Zebon. Yeah, no, Zappa was a genius. And he also was just adamantly anti-censorship. Yeah, but I don't think he was crazy. I feel like Zappa was not crazy. It depends who you listen to. He was experimental, I would say.

Have you ever seen the documentary Superman that Mike Myers did on Shep Gordon? No. Who was the manager to practically everyone? I'll tell you, Frank. Frank was a little crazy. You know, crazy's good. I don't mean that in the derogatory way.

Crazy makes things happen. Crazy is important. He was Alice Cooper's manager too, wasn't he? Yeah. Vincent Furnia. He's a good golfer right here. This is the Alice Cooper story. You want to know why? Yes.

Because again, Shep Gordon, I just read his book. He said we're all kind of addicts. Sex, drugs, rock and roll. So as an addict, you have to pick a safe addiction. And golf is one of the best ones. It is, because you're outdoors,

you're getting exercise. Like if you're going to be addicted to something, golf beats heroin. And it's such a difficult game. Well, God bless them if that helped them get off the drugs, but I can't stand golf. Me neither, Joel. I feel like I'm the only guy out there. Me too.

I actually really, I find it, and I don't want to borrow this line, but it ruins a good walk. Yes, that's right. It's idiotic. You hit the ball, then you chase the ball. And I played recently with my buddy Elvis, just before I got married like five years ago. And I was thinking during this like, I think we only did nine holes or something,

but I was thinking during it like, I really don't like golf. I don't need to ever do this again. No, my very first boyfriend was a professional golfer. And I was so bored that I drove the golf cart into the lake at Glen Abbey. I drove it into the lake because I couldn't drive. I was like, get me out of here. Part boredom and part not being able to drive.

Are you sure that was intentional? I think she was drinking some of this. The Great Lakes Barrel Series. Ziggy, you've lived a life. Professional golfer, boyfriends. Jim Carrey. Yeah, hanging of Jim Carrey. He's singing Bruce Colburn too.

You know what? I never had any foresight because I slept with them all before they were famous. Like what? You know, come on. No planning there. No, no planning whatsoever. That's funny.

True. It's true. But no regrets? Nope. Not. It's true. But no regrets? No. Not even one? None. So good for you. I don't.

I actually don't. I now feel like I know Ziggy. Now I can say I know Ziggy. I've looked into her soul. She wouldn't give this up to be 25 again. No regrets. I don't. And you know what?

Everybody talks about they have one regret. You know what? I don't. And you know what? Everybody talks about they have one regret. You know what? I don't have any. Have you ever thought, Joel, about any regrets that you've had? None. I don't have any either. Maybe we're actually well-rounded people. Well-rounded, but we're humans. Because you had fun. It's not saying

that you did everything right. No. But you know what? I didn't harm anybody. I don't think. No. Right. But you know what? I didn't harm anybody. Yeah. Right? I don't think. I sleep well. Yeah. Nothing mean.

I don't sleep well, but that's because I have a two-year-old. Wow. Oh, yeah. They're the worst. Soon. Soon.

Seven's the magic age. Joe, you can have any more kids? Are you done? No. Is the factory closed? I'm done. I'm done. I love my two kids, but no more.

Two's a good number. I think so. I think two's good. I thought two was a good number, and then I had two more. Well, that's all right. I always thought my 14-year-old, I was certain that was my last kid.

Like, this is my baby, the baby. And now there's two more after her. She's not even close to the baby. That's good. They make life fun and worth living. They make this time of year better. I was thinking that. These kids are all...

We went to the Christmas market at Great Lakes Brewery on Saturday. We were there. Who was there? Mad Dog was there, actually. I bumped into Mad Dog, but we're there. And the big guy's there, Santa Claus.

It's like walking around. It's like my kids... Forget meeting Jim Carrey or whatever. Santa. This is the biggest celebrity around. Jarvis couldn't believe, forget meeting Jim Carrey or whatever. Santa. This is the biggest celebrity around. Jarvis couldn't believe he got to talk to Santa or whatever.

And I was thinking, oh yeah, it's good to have kids around at this time of year because I can get so fed up with this time of year. Just tell me when it's January. Well, they put it into perspective.

You feel their joy. It's why you have Christmas. It's that innocence you talked about earlier. Important to keep. Halloween's the same for me. Yes, Halloween. I don't care about Halloween. It's annoying if you don't have kids at Halloween, right?

That's right. By the way, I went to Great Lakes during Halloween and they had the 666 pale ale. I wish they would do that year round. That's a great pale ale. I'm learning a lot about this company. Thanks. You know what?

This is, you know what? They do a lot of events. Halloween. Who knew? You know, I'm telling you, you're a West End girl. I'm surprised you didn't, you should know this stuff, West End. We're all West End people here. Why didn't I know?

I know. See? No East Enders on this episode. All West Enders. Are you ready? Are you ready? This has been a long time. I know.

This is the last jam. Oh, is it already? Yeah. Already. Okay. It only took two hours and ten minutes to get to it. I know.

It's here. We're very long-winded people. I know. I mean, you still... No sound bites here. No, and that's why this podcast exists. I'm sick of the sound bites.

Right on. I need the full story. Okay, let's listen to your final jam. Let's go. Faded as my jeans Bobby thumbed a diesel down Just before it rained And rode us all the way To New Orleans I pulled my harpoon

Out of my dirty red bandana I was playing soft While Bobby sang the blues Windshield whippers Slapping time I was playing soft while Bobby sang the blues. When she'll wipe her slapping time, I was holding Bobby's hand in mine. We sang every song that Javi knew. Freedom is just another word for nothing left to lose. Nothing, I mean nothing, honey honey if it ain't free no no

yeah feeling good was easy all along when he sang the blues you know feeling good

was good enough for me good enough for me and my Bobby McGee me and Bobby McGee. Janis Joplin.

Yeah, I'm just a hippie, I guess. Deep down in my soul. Written by Chris Christopherson. Right. He's fabulous. Amazing. He, yeah, it's really weird with this Lady Gaga and Bradley Cooper remake of A Star is Born, right?

Because if you saw the one with Chris Christopherson, I can't bring myself to watch the one with Lady Gaga. Isn't that terrible? But anyways, this satisfies my hippie sensibility. Now, they were an item, right? Janis Joplin and Chris Christopherson. I think there were many because she also was with Leonard. Leonard Cohen.

I think she was with lots of guys. Lots. I understand. She was very, very busy. Let's just say that. Very busy, but part of the 70s culture. She was having fun. She was having fun, as we like to put it.

You're right. A recent guest on this show is a guy named Bill King. Bill King played keyboards for Janis. Bill King is awesome. I'm sure he had a ton of stories about her. I had a lot of Janis questions

because I don't think in the history of modern music, I don't think we've had a better female vocalist for my money than Janis Joplin. I know that's a big statement there, but... Well, no, I mean... I put Linda Ronstadt in there, but Janis is right up there.

But they're so different, right? Yeah, they are. You can't compare. She's a real kind of rocker blues chick, whereas Linda did every other genre except maybe this. Don't you agree? But listen to this I like it when they kick into this Bobby McGee, yeah. La, la, la, la, la, la, la, la, la, la, la, la, la.

Hey, hey, hey. Bobby McGee. La, la, la, la, la, la, la, la, la, la, la, la, la, la. Your jams were amazing, Ziggy. Did you like them? It was a great collection. I really hope that you enjoyed them. Thank you.

Nice eclectic collection. Well, you know, you spoke of Linda Ronstadt. You know, she's possibly my favorite singer, but I didn't include her here because there's just so much, so much. Got to narrow it down to 10. So how are you doing with that, Joel? You got your 10 figured out?

I've got three. Three for sure. Wow, see? You got your 10 figured out? Yeah. I've got three. Three for sure. Wow. See? I tell you, it's hard. It's funny how you're going that way. You're growing the list. I always start with a bigger list, and I whittle down, chip away at the stone.

It's funny. I had my 10, and I knew I had to pick 10, but I kept changing the 10 over and over and over and over. Well, because it will change, right? Your favorite songs today might be different than your favorite songs tomorrow. Like a lot of it is mood based and it's kind of hard to have a definitive 10 that you always But I had to think, you know, how sometimes even like in the middle of the day when I'm programming my shows, what are the songs I'd like to listen to just to, you know,

just for the sake of listening. And these are the ones I, I chose. And even, uh, last anecdote here is that, uh, yesterday I was, uh,

I had DJ starting from scratch and we were doing an episode of the show and I was doing the on this day thing for fast time. And, uh, it was, it was the day, um, Otis Redding,

uh, passed away okay anniversary of his death and i played some uh because he had the first ever posthumous number one on the billboard hot 100 that's right we're sitting on the dock of the bay so i'm playing that and as i'm listening to it i go is there a better song than this like how could there how could there be a better song than this but meanwhile like it's never appeared on the top 10 last like there's just so much great music out there, and it's so subjective. It really is.

I mean, you could go back to the Mersey beats. You could go back to doo-wop, 30s, 20s. Great American Songbook. How about Backrack David? How about Carole King? Or The Wall of Sound. Or how about R&B? There's Soul. There's the Ron Sound. The Wall of Sound, yeah. Or how about R&B? There's Soul.

There's... The Ronettes. The Ronettes. Oh, man. Right? It's crazy. That whole Phil Spector sound with the Ronettes, is there anything better than that?

No. Hard to say, yep. No. I know. Well, thank you so much, Mike, for having us. Ziggy, it was my absolute pleasure to have you here. But Mike, now play us one of your favorites. That's the next episode, maybe.

We'll see where that went. But Joel, you are coming back. Yes, and I can't wait. You know, I always have such a great time here. I really do. I know you're using me for the beer. I know that, Joel.

That's okay. Listen to me. If you said to me, Mike, you can have on... What was the character's name in the Drop the Needle video you played? Giraldo Herrera. If you told me... I remember? Giraldo Herrera. If you told me...

I remember. Giraldo Herrera would come on and kick out the jams of me. Oh, and by the way, that Giraldo Herrera guy, he actually helped create an electric circus. If I had told myself that 15 years ago, 20 years ago, my mind would explode. You know, I wish that you could have seen the building before it was renovated at 99 Queen Street East.

Oh, 99, yeah. Because Moses's office was the lighting gondola for the original electric circus disco check. Right. And it was a Kim Clark champion. Who do we give credit to? Yeah, it was Kim. Oh, yeah. And it's not giving, it was absolutely him. Well. Who did we give credit to? Yeah, it was Kim. Oh, yeah. It was absolutely him.

Well, we're giving him credit because he deserves it. Yeah, it was a very drunken night between me, Kim, and John Martin. We came up with it. Kim came up with it. I pitched it to Moses the next day, and Electric Circus, the dance show, was born from Electric Circus, the notorious 70s disco. My sister danced with James Brown there. My sister

got around. Shout out to my sister. We'll save that for the next Ziggy appearance. We'll have to find a reason to get Ziggy back here again. So, Joel, you're coming back in January to kick out the jams. Thank you, Ziggy, for kicking out the jams with me.

That was a delight. And that brings us to the end of our 409th show. You can follow me on Twitter. I'm at Toronto Mike. Ziggy, you don't really

tweet, but you're at Ziggy Radio. You should tweet. Yes, okay. Do you know what? Okay, I'm going to tweet. Well, you don't have to tweet a lot,

but maybe once in a while if anything interesting is going on. Are friends at Great Lakes Brewery or at Great Lakes Beer? Oh, yeah, Joel, tweet. Well, you don't have to tweet a lot, but maybe once in a while if anything interesting is going on. Are friends at Great Lakes Brewery or at Great Lakes Beer? Oh, yeah, Joel, you're on Twitter. What's your Twitter handle? You know, I don't even know. See?

We're the same. He tweets as much as Ziggy. Why is he my good friend? Why? Now you see it, right? Propertyinthesix.com is at Raptors Devotee. PalmaPasta is at Palma Pasta. Fast Time Watch and Jewelry Repair is at Fast Time WJR.

And Paytm is at Paytm Canada. See you all next week. Maybe the one who doesn't realize There's a thousand shades of gray Cause I know that's true Yes I do I know it's true Yeah I know it's true How about you?

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