Tosh Show - My Favorite Military Long Distance Runner - Paul Johnson

Episode Date: June 10, 2025

Daniel paces himself for a long conversation with ultrarunner Paul Johnson about serving in the Navy, eating three bags of donuts for breakfast, and literally running across the country.See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

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Somewhere less, some of them, I think my biggest day was 80 miles, and my lowest was like 35. was 80 miles and my lowest was like 35. Hey guys welcome to Tosh Show with me Mr. Edward Gosling. Eddie how are you? I'm good how are you? Liar! Eddie wasn't here last week as everybody knows he was he was gone we missed him the fans were angry because anytime Dylan or John or Pete chimes in they're like oh they don't

have the comedic chops the show really took a dive. That's unfortunate. And you were on a cruise, is that right? I was on a cruise. I went, I did a Caribbean cruise three days. It was pretty nice. By yourself. Oh yeah.

Good for you. Sometimes you need a little me time to recharge. And I like to get on a cruise with 2000 people, I don't know. No, you were taking care of your mother. Your father passed away. We're very sorry about that. Thanks man. And your dad was a, you know,

I don't have a ton of military dad experience, but just always just a sweet man. Yeah. It was always like delight, and to have like a goofball like you as a son who just always was talking Nonsense, he really just rolled with the punches constantly. Yeah, he was great We would print me and Eric would prank him a lot my brother Really fun stuff great guy Colonel in the military. Oh, that's just that's just a lot. So you went back to Florida

Yeah went to Florida. Oh, that's a that was a beautiful. No Hot it was hot miserable. It was hot. It was hot. Miserable. You look a little sunburned. If I'm being honest with you, the first thing I said, I saw Eddie, gave him a big hug. I hate touching people.

Yep, big hug. Hugged Eddie. And then I go, man, you look sunburned. He's like, yeah, I fucking pressure washed my mom's house. I had to, yeah, the whole back lanai was just like, I mean, when it rains there, you get every, so I had to get through there and then supplant. She just immediately passed on her honeydew list to you.

It really was like, we would do stuff during the day and she would take out something from the freezer and thaw it out for dinner. And then we'd sit there and watch Jeopardy and Wheel of Fortune have dinner. And you just became your my dad you became her father. Oh, I started wearing his clothes Didn't do that, but I was like I do feel like I'm filling a void for her right now Well, yeah, and your mother is also a very sweet person, you know, if she's listening, let's go.

Come on out to California, you know? Split your time, you come to California, you head on over to Austin to hang out with your other son. You play with these grandkids. Ah, we'll take care of you. You spend a day or two at my place, that's it. There you go. You know.

Set up, we got you. Three months at your place, two days at mine. We'll do it We'll have some fun Also, my stylist Carrie her father just passed away. Yeah Yes, just it's just awful. They say it happens in threes Dylan Even Dylan doesn't know his father. I don't believe he doesn't know

He's a donor. John, how old were you when your father passed? I was 30 years old. Okay, and you were cleared of all charges? Yeah, yeah, they didn't know. It was pretty well orchestrated. All right, so that didn't count because that was quite a while ago.

So the third, well, this is awful. Eddie, I owe you $5,000. Yep, Eddie and I made a gentleman's bet $5,000 on who's father we go first. We did not do that. No, no, let's go double or nothing on wives Carries over everybody wives will live forever Not if I Not if we go on a cruise tips I got some tips Not if I anything

Not if we go on a cruise tips. I got some tips Well, I tell you if I can do anything for you, you know, I would and actually I talked it over with Carly Eddie and we Would like to adopt you. Hey, okay That'd be great. I'll let let's do that. I like you adopting me I don't know's legal. Are you legally allowed to adopt someone that's older than you? I'm five years old, so barely older. Barely older. Right. I bet you could.

Okay. Yeah. Done. You're my dad now. Yeah! I mean, I don't think you should call me a dad right away. I'd like to go to college. Again?

Yeah. Oh, God. Well, I do want you to share a room with your little brother. Oh, my brother. Yeah, I've been my brother now. Well, we're glad you're back. You only missed one day of work and we'll dock your pay. Okay.

Did you have to cancel any shows? No. Are you going to have to cancel any shows? No. He'll be buried at Arlington National Cemetery, so that's a ways off. That's fancy. Yeah, it's a pretty fancy place. Well, they do, I mean, I'm just going to ask, do they do the... Yeah, pretty fancy place. Well they do I mean I'm just gonna ask do they do the

Yeah, full military honors. How many rounds they fire off 16? 21. Oh, so 21? 21 gun salute or maybe seven guns three times. I think it's 21 fire. 21? 21? Yeah, cuz he was a bomber pilot They've they've asked for like a flyover too. So they've asked for, who knows to ask for the flyover? Who knows to ask? I mean, the funeral home that you do, they're kind of like, because he's a colonel, he was a pilot, you can ask for a flyover.

It's guaranteed. Oh yeah, but did you know to ask for this stuff? I mean, yeah. You did? I did. Oh, good for you. I mean, your parents, their affairs were in order, but it's just, it's always so like,

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Listen to Medal of Honor on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. ["Paw Show Theme"] Paw Show! My guest today is insane. There's no other way to put it. He ran from LA to New York city in seven weeks to raise money and awareness for mental health issues in our military.

He will be the third runner we have had on the show, but the second with legs. Please welcome ultra runner Paul. That was great to me. Oh I have so many questions. Let's start. Here we go. You ready? Do you believe in ghosts? Yes. Mmm Do you have proof? No. Oh, okay. You just I believe uh-huh. You ever have an experience so the ships for the Navy, huh down like the having an experience? So the ships for the Navy, down like the some of the engine plants, weird stuff happens down there when you're by yourself. And it's ghosts? Like the lights will turn on and off. Sure, it's a ship. Yeah. Now before I thank you for your service, what is it that you're running from?

Oof, it's deep. Boredom. No. Is that what got you into it for real? No my buddy wanted to run The Marine Corps marathon I was like sure I'll run a marathon with you and you had you'd never had ran a marathon I had run a marathon because I did an Iron Man back in college, but I hadn't run in probably Close to four or five years. How many miles are you running in the Iron Man 26.2? You do a marathon at the end. It's at the end. Mm-hmm. What's the hardest running in the Ironman? 26.2. You're doing a full marathon? Yeah, it's a marathon at the end. It's at the end? Mm-hmm. What's the hardest part of the Ironman?

I guess staying awake. It was my first ever long race, so it was just super tiring. How long does it take you to do the Ironman? I want to say it was like 11 hours to do. Ah, 11. Isn't that incredible? That's a short race now. All right, so you were in the Navy.

How long were you in the Navy? Are you still in the Navy? I'm in the Navy for another two days and then I'm out Two more days. Congratulations. So seven years total. Could anything tragic Theoretically happen in the next two days that would make you like they keep you in. Oh, no, it's all signed paperwork's done So it's not like we need you. So this just happened Aliens are off the coast of blank. We need you out there you throw aliens in I will volunteer Go back. Yeah, only if it's aliens though. What made you get into the Navy in the first place needed something to do my parents Well, my mom wasn't in but my dad was Air Force for four years. His dad was career army

My mom's got some army on her grandparents So it just seemed like something interesting to do looked into it and then Started applying was like sure when'd you apply how old so I went through the ROTC program that started when I go to school Penn State oh were you there during Sandusky no right after I was safe that would explain the running yeah Took very few showers there. I mean, that was quite a thing. Were you hesitant to enroll there because it was right after?

Or were you like, now's the time to go? Now's the time to go. You know, the market's down. Got to slide in there while you can. Oh, man. Why can't they win a national championship? You know, I've never actually been to a game, so I couldn't tell you.

You never went to a game? No. You've never been to a whiteout? I bought season tickets and I would resell them. Did you make money off of it? Oh yeah. Oh, so it was like just a business move? I guess.

Were you a hustler in college? I don't know about hustler, but you know, I was able to buy my ramen every day. Ah, I was getting into the old nifty lions. I can't even say that word properly. I don't think they're a real animal I agree all right you join the Navy Where were you stationed first three years? I was in road of Spain Which is on the southern coast right on the Straits of Gibraltar mm-hmm So we have like a joint base

between the Spanish and the US there. Beautiful. Beautiful. It's beautiful. I would go back there, not in the Navy, in a heartbeat. Yeah, because you were on the ship a lot. All the time. That's the bad part about the Navy,

is having to be on the ship all the time. Yep. Oh. And they're not like nice yachts either. I've never been on a cruise, I've never done a yacht. That boat, that's not my world. You were the stationed there for how long were you there? Three years. Okay. So 2018 to 2021. Alright, and where'd you head off after Spain? San Diego. So I was there 2021 to 2023 sometime. You like San Diego? Love it.

Almost moved back there. A lot of good-looking people down there in San Diego. I enjoy it sometimes. I don't go, I don't, I don't love it as Almost moved back there. A lot of good looking people down there in San Diego. I enjoy it sometimes. I don't love it as much as other people do, but that's neither here nor there. You have any cool sailor tattoos? Seven or eight. You do? Yeah.

Where are they? I'm not asking to see them. Oh, we can show them if you want. Oh, I'll look at a tattoo. You're gonna get in there though. Ha ha. Whether I want to or not. By the way way is it true that sailors drink a lot yes Do you drink a lot not anymore? Did you drink while running? No?

No, and you drink a lot. I used to be able to not anymore, okay, but sailors in general That is that is a it's a fact. It's a fact. It's not a stereotype now It's based on truth. Did everyone on the ships drink? Oh yeah. But you don't drink when you're on the ships at all. No, they don't. Right. They don't have, the Spanish do.

So we had a Spanish navigator who hung out with us as an exchange program. He was so pissed the first day when he found out there was no beer on board. Like he was pissed. He didn't understand our customs and rules. And we've always had that rule. They used to, like that's where a cup of Joe came from for coffee.

They got rid of alcohol and they said, I guess the guy's name was Joe or something. He got rid of it, you know, secretary of the Navy or naval operations something. And he got rid of it and they replaced it with coffee. Cup of Joe came from the Navy. Did you guys know that? Did not. Ah, that's great. We learned something today. Did you guys know that? Did not. Ah, that's great. We learned something today.

Did you join Top Gun? No. No. That's like a pilot thing and I'm not a pilot, so. No interest? I wanted to do Explosive Ordnance Disposal, EOD. Didn't work out when I applied for all the transfers, so I stayed as a service warfare officer on the ships.

Did you watch the new Top Gun Maverick movie? I have. Did you enjoy it? I did. The opening sequence is all I like. I just like that. I just like people doing big thumbs up. Tom Cruise What's your thoughts on him? Don't like him. You don't like him. No. Why don't you like him? When they filmed Top Gun 2, they basically contract out the ship to go to sea. Mm-hmm. So they sent 5,000 sailors to sea just to film the movie and then when they were on the ship, none of the sailors were able to use like the gym or like they weren't

even allowed to like look at him. They basically like, you can't look at him. You can't use the gym because it's for him only. So within the Navy, don't like him. Oh, I didn't know. I didn't know the pre-Madonna was like was like that. I think it's just funny that he keeps doing these things. Watching him run is so silly. So while you're in the Navy, did you stumble upon this desire to become an ultra runner or was this kind of always something that you wanted to do? I completely stumbled upon it

when I was living in San Diego. You seem just, I know nothing about anything for the most part, but as a runner, if I were to guess what Diego. You seem just, I know nothing about anything for the most part, but as a runner, if I were to guess what an ultra runner looked like, you seem big, you seem bulkier than I wanted you to be. I was, I'm thinking Kenya. Yes.

Is what I'm thinking those runners. Yes. I'm thinking light, easy on the knees. You seem like a big old dude going through. Is that normal? Um. Are most ultra runners heavy? heavy rows do not look like me. Ah The pros are stick figures that can fly up a mountain. That's what I that's what I was thinking I'd say I'm upper middle of the pack. The advantage I have is that I've got strong legs

So I'm pretty good at the climbing portion. But yeah, I carry around extra weight that most people don't. How did you decide, all right, well I'm gonna, you know, try to break the record and run across the United States of America? The record was kind of an afterthought. I knew I wanted to do the run, and when I first started training, I was like, there's no way I could do like 40 miles a day

That's how many people have done this run. It's not there's no real official tally Okay, I'll be somewhere less than a thousand and it's three thousand miles ish within the running community You have to do three thousand miles, but as long as you go city to city across the coast it counts Why did why what in this Los Angeles to New York? Why don't people, nobody does North Dakota down to Texas? Well, that would be up and down, not across. That doesn't, well, I mean, I guess it all depends on your perspective in the time of the year, which way the planet is, no.

Is there any shortcuts? Like, when you're running, like, you're not running on a freeway ever, are you? It depends. No interstates, but definitely freeways. How direct of a route are you doing? We did it? La Where we go, California, Arizona?

Northern Arizona northern New Mexico we touched the corner of Texas I just like dipped my toe in it because I did not want to run through it I tell you what I did the Texas part you were smart to just hit the corner of it. Because when you're driving, if you do the 10, ugh, the long way through, it's just horrible. Yeah. It just never ends. But Kansas, Indiana, Illinois, Ohio. Kansas is boring, that's a boring run.

But they were some of the nicest people. Well sure, they have to be nice. They got nothing else going for them. Imagine being an asshole and you live there. That was Indiana. Oh. Worst state. That was Indiana. Oh. Worst state. Why was Indiana the worst state?

They will, you have a four lane road, the massive shoulder, they will purposely cut across three lanes to try to hit you and run you off the road. Oh yeah, it's just a couple bad apples, man. No. People are sweet. I would run with like my-

The Hoosiers? Yeah, I would run with my pole with like a carbon, a carbide tip on it, and they get too close. They get it. Did you actually have some close calls every day? A lot of cars so many cars. It's such a bad idea. It's a terrible idea By the way, what is the world record running across the United States of America? It is 42 days 6 hours and 30 minutes. It's something like 72 miles a day. Okay, and how quickly into your run did you realize I'm not gonna break this record?

Day four. Day four? Yeah, call quits early. Okay, but you're like, I'm still doing, did you always say I'm gonna still do this no matter what? Yeah, because we were gonna, we're doing the run, right? The whole point of the run was, I wanna do it, A. B, the fundraising, and C, the awareness.

The record was just kind of icing on the cake. If we can do it, great. If not, then. You're a good person because you keep saying the word we, but I don't give a shit how many people sacrificed to go on this little fucking voyage with you. You're the only one doing the work. That's right.

I had to carry the load. So how many people did you have coming along? I had a full-time crew of About five and they're in an RV. They're living in an RV. Yep. Did you sleep in the RV as well? Or did you guys get a hotel? No hotels I had like a Ford Transit van that I was sleeping in so there's two vehicles following you the whole time Typically the RV would like jump ahead for the day. They do shopping, laundry, maybe they get a shower once a week and the transit van would stay with me and kind of just follow me along feeding me and give me water. Would you shower?

Every day. In where? The van had like a little you know shower thing in it. Garbage showers. I thought it was great. Look at you. Just doing it. All right, how many miles a day are you running about 60? 60 miles a day somewhere less some of them. I think my biggest day was 80 miles and my lowest was like 35 I Don't even get it. I don't get it on any left. I can't run three miles. We know right now We can go after the we talk here. I'll take you out. I know, but I don't want to. It's just so hard. How often are you walking? Uphills. I don't run up hills. You'll walk up them.

What was the biggest elevation change you were doing? We did... Quit saying we. It's not gonna happen. They're in a car. That's right. I made fun of them because they weren't acclimated. They tried to go running at 7,000 feet in Flagstaff when I was up there and they all just died because they weren't Moving with me. Highest point was I think 9,000 or so feet in Taos, New Mexico

The most vert I did in a day was about 8,000 because we did two 4,000 foot climbs going up to Taos in one day How many days did it take you to get out of LA just because of the traffic? I didn't have traffic. Where'd you run? I was on foot. We did Santa Monica Pier, and then I'm still like learning all the roads out here,

but I think it was Foothill, like ran along Foothill I think, and then we stopped somewhere around Fontana on the first day. Second day we were in Palm Springs, that was the 80 mile day. And then like getting to Palm Springs, we're literally running through the desert.

There was a sandstorm rolling through, so you couldn't even see where you were running. You were just running through 10 feet of visibility, getting sandblasted at 50 miles an hour. Were you wearing glasses? I had sunglasses on. I didn't have a shirt on at that point because I'm an idiot.

Did you get sunburn? No. Oh, why were you an idiot for not having a shirt on? Why is that a bad move heat stress? Oh, yeah, so I didn't get sunburned But like that was part of the reasons we had to call the record attempt Was because my body just went into total shutdown on like day three or something When did you like it click you're like I can go forever Do you just not get tired now you get tired, but like the best part about the sport is it's really just like an eating

competition. OK, because you just got to keep eating. If you keep eating, you make it to the end. It's like you're not running super fast comparatively to if you were sprinting. You're just kind of chugging along. You take some walking breaks, eat a lot of food and you just keep going. Hold on. Your weight. Yeah. You started the race Wayne what?

178 probably 178 and then halfway through where what'd you what'd you the lowest amount of weight where you where we at? 150 something or like 160 low 160s yeah great and then by time you finish the race and 52 days later you weighed what 180 you had gained I gained I gained all that weight back plus a little bit. How is that possible more food? Okay, I want to talk about your diet because it's just it's just horrible. It's great for running It's not I mean, there's nobody can say this is the right thing to do You would start your day off with what the powdered doughnuts Powdered donuts. How many would you eat of those? Those like mini powdered donuts you buy. A sleeve?

No, like the big white bags at the grocery store. The big white bag, I hear you. I would eat three of those in the morning. Three bags. Yeah, three bags of donuts. And then like half a family size thing of golden Oreos, like inside a pancake. So I'd make pancakes with the Oreos in them.

And I would eat that for about three hours And then I would eat all the powdered donuts, and that was like breakfast It's delicious I mean I understand that you're burning calories, but there's better calories better ways to get calories How would you do it like a salad? No not a salad But I just don't think those donuts are the right things to eat You just got a you got to put sugar in and burn it off right away. That's why I was losing weight, so.

Well, how did you gain weight then? We started taking creatine about halfway through, so some of that water weight. We weren't taking creatine. No, they were taking creatine too. That was a team effort. Everybody's getting jacked. They were like shoving pills down my throat at night, like, take your vitamins. And we also started eating a lot more.

Like what else were you eating? How much were you, what was a dinner like? night, like, take your vitamins. And we also started eating a lot more. Like what else were you eating? How much, what was a dinner like? Well, you skipped lunch. What's lunch? Lunch was mac and cheese and steak. That makes more sense, pasta and steak. Yeah, if there was a Burger King McDonald's, I'd get a Big Mac or a single large fried

and vanilla milkshake, pizza, half a pizza, Dunkin' Donuts, we'd get like a full dozen of glazed donuts, pop those down. Were you eating in a civilized manner or were you just like, just like, ah? Oh yeah, yeah, pinkies were out and everything. No, but I mean, like were you sitting down in restaurants ever?

No, you don't have time. I didn't think so. No, you're like, I'm literally, you eat and run on the side of the road at the same time. You were jogging and eating. It's my superpower. Iron gut. No, it's not your superpower. How was your BMs? BMs? Bow movements, your shits.

Oh, yeah. Code Browns. Is it? Okay. Code Browns. Plentyful and mixed variety. Right, so were you having loose stools? First one of the day, yes. Second one of the day, yes. Uh, second one of the day, about two hours later, no. Third one around lunch, yes.

And then sometime in the evening, it was back to solid. It was like, take turns, alternate. That's where I tell you your diet was off because like better foods would have maybe stopped some of that. And you still haven't said which foods though. I don't know the answers. I just, you know, I would assume someone that's in this world would be like, this is what you should be eating.

Not three bags of powdered donuts every morning. Just so many donuts. So good. Well, I'm not gonna lie. I can eat that stuff. Sounds like you're ready to run. What were you drinking? Were you only drinking water?

Were you drinking some gross stuff? Water, milkshakes, melted ice cream. The freezer sometimes didn't work. You loved, man. It's a lot of easy counts. Are you lactose intolerant? No. Well, if I am, it's too bad.

I guess I'm gonna get. Oh, I can't imagine what that would do to me if I was running. What about finding bathrooms? There's a lot of Foliage out there on the side of the road. So you were just doing your business wherever you could it would depend Nobody nobody had it. I mean the RV obviously had a toy. They weren't next to you at all I mean the van had a toilet in it. Uh-huh, but it was only for code Brown's

That was the other way I piss on the side of the road Sure, sometimes you just pop a squat in a bush because the RV there you know they leapfrog and you really got to go So you just find a bush when you were using this portable bathroom in in the van Yeah, did they dispose of it? Yeah outside of the van immediately or were they driving around with your shit? I mean, it's like one of those Containers where you can like shitting it a bunch of times and then you eventually just empty it. Okay, so they weren't emptying it right away. No, they would probably empty it.

So they were driving your shit around. Every three days, yeah. The country. They're like my delivery drivers. That is, that is. I guess that's why you say we, they did a little bit of the work. What about wipes? Were you using wet wipes or just? Wet wipes and a lot of lube. That's nice. Lube?

Oh, lube saves lives. There's no such thing as too much lube. Just because your butt was so sore? Well, I mean everything, just chafing. You don't, like if you have any chafing, it's nice. Lube. Oh lube saves lives. There's no such thing as too much lube. Just because your butt was so sore Well, I mean everything just chafing you don't like if you have any chafing it's bad. Were your nipples burned? No, you tape them. You tape them. Yeah, and you lost all your fingernail fingernails? I probably lost three on that particular run. Were you listening to music? All the time. You did? Yeah Oh, okay. What kind of ear buds you using? Shocks. They're like like the bone conductive where it like sits right here on your head, but it doesn't actually go in the ear. How long is that battery lasting?

Ten hours. Wow. Did you get a sponsor from them? No. What's going on? What's the name? Shocks? Shocks.

Shocks. It's almost embarrassing that I have to ask at this point, but you know, if you don't do right by a serviceman that alone Good god. All right, you got sponsored by shoes, but they didn't really sponsor. You know, it was like in kind support I was about 20 21 22 pairs of shoes that we went through pretty much all Hoka Bondi's Clifton's and Cielos. Oh cuz our popular, but man, I find them hideous to look at. Well, they got good colors. You just don't like color then.

No, I don't like the big graphics on the sides too much for me. Hoka, are you a sponsor of the show? Come on, hook him up. Do something for him. So far. Were you dating anybody during this? No. You have a strict no bust clause during a run? No. Oh. Do you have a strict no-bust clause during a run?

No-bust. Mm-hmm. What do you mean? Eh, you know, take care of yourself. Ha ha ha ha. Yeah, not during the run. The whole time? No.

The whole 51 days? When I got back. Well, no, that's what I'm saying. No, your brain's just so fried. All you do is you run, and you immediately pass out and go to sleep. You're never horned up on a run. No. It's so exhausting. You didn't even use all you do is you run and you immediately pass out and go to sleep You're never horned up on a run now. It's so exhausting like you just you can't even think how many hours a night Were you sleeping three to four and was it like sound sleep? No you like wake up with like the meat sweats every couple minutes Because of all the meat that you're eating. I didn't was eating that much me is mostly doughnuts steak

You say get lunch with the mac and cheese? No, like your body is, you're freezing cold, but you're just, I would literally wake up, like I got out of the shower, just soaked in sweat every morning. Were you worried that you weren't gonna be able to finish? Every day. Would have you quit? No, I mean like, the answer is no, I wanted to every day,

but then it's like, oh well, I'm already using my vacation days, like I might as well do this. Also, it's like, I would feel bad about letting down everybody was coming out to run because we had over the course of run We probably close to 10,000 people come out along the way to run with us So it's like I don't want to let those people down how often were you completely alone what percentage of the race do you think? Race whatever we're calling this cannonball run 20 to 30 percent of it you were alone Yeah, okay, and the rest are just random people would run and people hop any any any hotties run next to you I couldn't remember because I was just so like focused on the ground in front of me

Did they want to chitchat at all some of them did and it's just like please leave me alone Other times if I was like in the headspace I would have some conversation, but it wasn't very very much Did anybody like hey, let's pick up the pace a little bit here? They probably should have. We got a record to hit buddy let's go. Not to be sexist but who put gas in the RV's water tank? My mom. Uh-huh and what happened so she put gas in the water tank yeah so now you can't use water ever again on that rental RV. Well, the problem was like- You couldn't clean it out.

We would have, but after she put, she's always so embarrassed when I tell the story, after she had filled up the entire water tank with gas and she realized it, to get rid of it, she like opened all the faucets and showers and just ran it through all the pipes in the RV rather than just like siphoning it out and like throwing some dish soap in there.

In fairness, siphoning is hard. It is. But the fact that she had gasoline coming out the shower. Yeah, and so like Rob, Rob came back into the RV and he's like, yeah, I don't think this thing's supposed to smell like gasoline and she's got like towels hanging up, soaked in gas and everything.

So it was like literally a driving bomb at that point. When did she realize that she was putting gas into the wrong spot? After she filled it. I mean that's a pretty good one to hold over your mother's head for the rest of her life like as far as like oh cool mom things to do that's a good one. How much money did you raise? A little over 600k. How much did you pocket? Negative 150,000 it costs a lot. went in the hole. Oh, yeah, but you're on the hook for a hundred and fifty thousand I was it's paid. How'd you pay? Oh my goodness that is that is awful How much did you want you wanted to raise what a million million was the goal? Yep, if you would have rate them raised a million dollars would have you pocketed money then I still would have lost money

Yep, if you would have rate them raised a million dollars would have you pocketed money then I still would have lost money Yeah nuts. What was it cuz the RV you buy this RV. No we we we destroyed that RV Didn't get my security deposit back. They rented it. Yeah, the insurance is always worth it for RV Oh, and they covered all the stuff that you guys did. Yeah, I paid two $1,500 deductibles for probably about fifty thousand dollars worth of damage What did you guys do? Why are you guys so mean to their RV? the generator blew up my mom put gas in the water tank and My crew chief crashed it into a concrete pillar in a parking lot. It's cuz they were like looking at you He was asleep. Oh, you know he's trying to park in a parking lot. He was super sleepy and he crashed into a pole

was asleep. Oh, he was trying to park in a parking lot. He was super sleepy and crashed into a pole. He also ran it into a ditch in Indiana and like completely blew up the drive train underneath. And what are they when when these mishaps happen are you like jogging in place waiting for them to fix shit or do you just go on ahead? You just keep going. I mean that's why we had two vehicles. You're smart. They'll figure it out. That's their problem. And they always got to the next spot. Yep, they did lose me in Prescott and I had to call them Where's Prescott? Arizona like just south of Flagstaff. The van wasn't next to you at all times? No, there was a lot of times they would just leapfrog me. Mm-hmm So I guess they can't drive in a that'd be so horrible to drive that slow at all times

usually I run on the left side of the road but because of the The bank it would like mess up your hip so you gotta switch sides to balance everything out and so when I'm running on the right side of the road, they would drive behind me at like Five six miles an hour. I couldn't help but notice a lot of vandalism on your journey Is it legal to randomly spray paint your milestones on the sidewalk? Debatable. Did you guys clean that up or no?

No, it's still there. Somebody sent me a picture on Instagram the other day, they're like, hey, your marker's still here. Ah, that's pretty good. Who the hell was the guy in your documentary that runs with the motorcycle helmet on? Dead Scout. He's an LA local. That's his thing, runs with the helmet on.

In all black. He's done the Transcon by himself four times now. With a helmet on? Yeah, he's a psycho. In the middle of the desert, he'll run like that too. Do you actually get runners high? Yeah. You do? Alright. I've never experienced it. Have you ever tried real drugs? Not for another two days. Oh, that's right. I've never been a drug person, but I've also never been

You know an exercise till I die person either I'm not even sure if you actually asked a respected doctor what's worse for your body Doing heroin or what you do heroin might be healthier. There's only one way to find out We gotta do heroin. All right It might be healthier. There's only one way to find out. We gotta do heroin. All right. You're gonna have to back on.

I mean, honestly, it's not healthy, right? To run that far? Why not? Well, I mean, honest, it's bad. Are your knees, like you- No, my knees are perfectly fine. Your glutes and like the whole posterior chain will start to get messed up.

So that's why you have to like change shoes or change how you're running, but- I mean, you were talking about the hips thing with the sides of the roads. That's all real. That was definitely a pain, but eventually it went away after we kind of rehabbed it a bit.

That's good stuff. Man, that's good stuff. Has anyone ever been more excited to enter the state of New Jersey than you were on day 50? I don't think anybody's excited to enter the state of New Jersey. Were you so happy to be finished?

When I saw my first sign for New York City in Jersey, I was like, oh, New York City this way, I was the happiest person alive. Yeah. It was like, we are done, thank God. Do you finish in Times Square? Yes. Police escort getting you into the city?

It's impressive. And how long did it take? 51 days, three hours, and so many minutes. Were you late to work? I almost was. How fast did you have to go back to work? Right away, because you can only take so many vacation days at once.

The maximum is 60 at once. I had all these days, and so I planned 50, because I was like, oh, let's try to get the record. And then we realized, oh man, we're not gonna make it in time. So I texted my boss and finally got them to approve an extra 10 days, but that's all they could do. So it's like, you have to get it done by this day

because I have to go back to work. What'd you eat when you were in New York City? Canes, raisin canes. Oh. That's about it. Right, right. Some chicken tendies and fries. Uh-huh.

Listen, you're not gonna mess up, if it ain't broke. Don't fix it. That's right. How do you're not going to mess up. It ain't broke. Don't fix it. That's right. How do you even begin to plan something like this? You get your friend to make the route for you. You get another, you just tell your friends to do it for you. Most of the stuff.

Once you get the route planned, it's pretty easy. But you were, as an ultra runner, is this like something that people talk about? Like, oh, you ever going to run coast to coast? It's becoming more popular. The charity that it was done with, Team Red, Oh, you ever going to run coast to coast? It's becoming more popular. The charity that it was done with team red, white and blue. They just did another version of it. They took 12 veterans and they carried a single flag from San Diego to DC. I think they finished yesterday or two days ago and they never stopped moving the flag.

I think they averaged like a 745 pace. They would trade off like every 30 minutes for two weeks or three weeks straight. So they just raised another like 600 K plus for that But there's so many ways to do it. There's so many routes to take people do San Francisco to New York LA to New York So there's just so many ways to do it. The hardest part is getting the route figured out. I want to do Key West to Bellingham, Washington. How many miles is that? That's gotta be over 5,000 is my guess. My guess is 5,211.

I say it's less. Say it's 4,000. 3,500. 3,500, that's it? Man, I was way off. Are we ever thinking about running around the planet? And you have to swim whatever gaps you have to swim. We could but...

You wanna swim across the ocean? How about that? We're gonna need the sponsors. I'm not pocketing. I'm not paying for that one. No, no. You're not coming out of pocket ever again. No, no sir. As long as I'm in charge of this. There's a new manager. Well, I'm not the manager because I don't want to even take a cut of anything. I'm more the idea guy and then I get people to make sure they pay for it.

All right. What do we want to do? You could just do a fun swim to Cuba, just to show people how it's done. 90 miles, is that an easy swim for you? Probably not, but it's worth a shot. We'll have your mom in a boat next to you. Oh man, the fact that she had,

she just turned on all the faucets. This is just so perfect All right, everybody's on the show. I gets a gift. It's just stuff around my house Oh that I don't need this gift though. I was like, oh man. This is perfect for Paul Massage table. Oh perfect. Thank you. That's what I needed. Yeah. I figure if anybody deserves to be treated. Oh yeah. Thank you. Does it come with a massage therapist? I can get you a session.

All right. My guy is Ukrainian. That's good. He probably knows what he's doing. Oh, he did. In fairness, he's never rubbed me. He just does my wife. She always, her back always needs to be aligned. He's a chiropractor too. So he's a, he just does my wife, she always, her back always needs to be aligned.

He's a chiropractor too, so he's a little more legit. I like massages just to fall asleep. I don't want to be, I don't want to. You don't want man hands all over you? No, I don't, I don't, I don't like man hands on me, okay? That is true. Also, it is true, I don't like man, but I'm not, that's not what I want to get into.

I don't like, I don't like to, but I'm not that's not what I want to get into I don't like I don't like to feel pain Hmm. They can be gentle This is this is what they say to you I can be gentle By the way Paul may be the first guest that I've ever had that I didn't have to say get this off my desk Tell me about the days after finishing the run like did you sleep for a week? How did it I slept for a day and then I was pretty much back to normal like the second day I was like back to normal. Well, how soon after you finish this race? Did you run again?

Two days later. How far did you go a mile? Warm up, uh-huh. Are you Would you ever try it again? No. But you've done other races. Yeah. Like other massive ultra marathons. What was the one over in Europe? That was UTMB.

Ultra Trail du Mont Blanc. Some French words. It was beautiful. It's gorgeous. I've done that twice now. It's a hundred miles, trails around the, you know, France, Italy, Switzerland, back into France. It's gorgeous. Do you have to be invited?

You either have to qualify to get direct entry or you enter a lottery. And how did you get into it? I qualified, my first 100 mile race was in Auburn, California. And so I placed, I think, 21st or 22nd overall. And I guess within my age group, I got automatic qualification for the French race for two years.

Yeah, that's pretty neat. Yeah, their foods aren't great. They just have a bunch of pasta, which was good, but no donuts. Yeah, I know most people, when you think of Italy and France, you don't think of good food. Paul, you gotta change your diet.

Would you ever do a run in like Antarctica? Already did. You did? Yeah. When did you do Antarctica? November this past year. How was it? Cold.

Was it enjoyable? No, it was exactly what it sounds like. It's Antarctica. I've wanted to go to Antarctica. I've never been. I would go back but not to run because we did 100 miles down there and we set the new record for that. Did anybody else run with you or did you run by yourself? Well this one was a wee, because Rob was with me, yeah.

So just two of you ran? It was part of an organized race, but we were the only ones that were actually doing 100 miles. Everyone else was doing a marathon or 100k. What kind of shoes were you wearing to run in Antarctica? They're like Salamans, they have a zipper on the front, they go up mid-calf, they have little nano-sp spikes on the bottom for grip. A lot of trench foot, because they're just not breathable.

What about desert runs? Do you, are you into those or not? I hate deserts, hate them. It's tough, right? Yeah, never doing a desert race probably ever. Well, I have, but that's why I'm not doing them again. I watched a thing on Bear Grylls, his team,

that films him when he does these survival shows, and they all are furious when it's desert hot, because they'd much rather be in frozen tundras, because when they're in desert, it's just a matter of time, one by one, they will all pass out. It's just like they just drop. The heat wins every time.

Yep. Hmm. Have you ever considered running the Barkley Marathons? No. I'll go watch, like tailgate it, but I'm not running it. Did you hear about this year? No one finished? Nobody.

Well, it's because too many people, two or three people finished last year. No, it's because one woman finished last year. they were like fuck this last said no way. Yep That's what happened. Yeah, I made it impossible Barclays is just a scheme for him to get whatever t-shirts or cigarettes he needs for the year. That's the entry fee Yeah, I bet you could you don't think you could do it. I could do it. I don't know. I'd finish it I mean the whole being able to it seems very frustrating I don't like that element of the race of like oh, I didn't

You know use my compass right and now I'm not where I'm supposed to be. This is very disheartening Bushwhacking the whole way. Do you want this to be your job or no? I like doing it for fun like I don't want to be my job So like I I like doing it for fun. Like I don't want it to be my job. So like I have, like I don't know when I'm gonna do it, but sometime this summer I'm gonna go on a cruise ship and run a hundred miles on the cruise ship just because I can. And then I'll like, you know,

chill out on the cruise ship the rest of the time. That's gonna be annoying if you're on that cruise seeing this guy just all day long doing laps. They're gonna hate me. Oh, I can think of better places to run. Where are you planning on living after you retire from the Navy? Inland Empire so about two hours east. Uh-huh. Yeah ranch a kookamonga area. Okay But you're gonna be a Southern California person. Yes, I am

Is that good or bad forward to it I mean are you looking forward to it? I mean... Are you looking forward to civilian life? Yes. Yes. I can just go wherever I want without having to tell anybody or get approved to go. Like, just drive out here, hang out all day. I'm gonna go for a run after this.

Do you like to run on the beach? Beach, trail, road, it doesn't really matter. Okay, I mean there's good trails here. Yeah, that's what I was looking up. I know some trails. I don't run on them. I just walk and then yell at my kids. I don't touch that! Alright, Paul. Well, thank you for being on the show.

I look forward to you enjoying civilian life here in Southern California. And if I see you on the freeway, I'm not going to get too close to you. I'm going to go over, I'm going to make sure everyone around me knows. Let's move over. He's got a poker. I'm gonna make sure everyone around me knows. Let's let's move over He's got a poker. Yeah, you always run with the poker still No, I haven't experienced these are I just on the trail so far here. So no roads yet. That's good. Stay on the trails All right, Paul. Appreciate it. Yeah. Thank you. Thank you Camp Shane one of America's longest runningrunning weight loss camps for kids, promised extraordinary

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Now I'm told there is some rumblings in the community that are questioning the validity of his run. Something about him not releasing all of his geo tracker. I don't understand it, but I want you to know if he didn't run every step of the United States of America, I don't care. You run one state. We're good. That seems fine.

Yeah. You run across, you were pick a state. Maine. Fuck. You're going to run across Maine? There's so many, there's so many bears and random things. That's, that's impressive. Now you can run around anything.

I'm a track. I'm like, whoa, you did a whole track? That's a quarter of a mile. You gotta respect. You run around Dutton's property. That's impressive. You're speaking about John Dutton? John fucking Dutton. Now there's no distance that I won't be impressed with.

My wife, we're going on a little trip and she's going to be in a bathing suit. And she goes, Oh, I gotta, uh, I gotta get in shape. And I go, we're leaving in two days. And she's like, that's all it'll take. I'm like, and I, and I said, and I know this is wrong. I said, Oh, that ship is sailed where you can get in your body that you want in two days. That doesn't make any sense.

And then she got mad at me, and then she just like took off and started running. She's like not eating, and she's just running constantly. You feel like you're motivating her? No, I don't know. I don't care. She's not in the house. She's just toning up in two days.

And then I go, then what are you gonna do? She goes, then you're just gonna eat like a monster while we're gone? She's like, yeah. I'm days. And then I go, then what are you gonna do? She goes, then you're just gonna eat like a monster while we're gone? She goes, yeah. I'm gonna do it. Good for you. I'm gonna turn up in four days.

You got a four day tone up? Give me four days. Yeah, you're talking about, it's like seven minute abs. I'm gonna do it. Eddie's got seven minute abs, he can do it. Eddie's got world-class calves. All right, what's our plugs? We got our tours, Eddie and I going on tour.

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How you doing, Carl? Should we tell people the horrible thing that happened the other day at the house? Oh no. You guys wanna hear this? Yeah. Okay, the other day, Carl and I are just doing what we do, going around the property, seeing if anything is

out of order. Lo and behold, here comes Potato, our beautiful 50 pound pig. And in his mouth, what was in his mouth, Carl? Was a freshly killed rabbit. Wow. And like it was, I was like, oh, he's been eating it. I don't know how he, I know he didn't kill it. It was either killed by some poison or something else or old age old age. I don't know

And do rabbits die of old age? I don't think they do live forever No, I think they automatically get eaten by a coyote or something. But anyway, so he's carrying this this Disgusting, you know, it's it's a new kill and he's running toward the house and I'm like, oh, and I'm yelling at Amanda. I'm like, Amanda, get the fucking rabbit out of his mouth. And she's grossed out, but she's like a farm girl. You know, so she's trying to chase him and I'm like, get it out of his mouth. And it's just off. I'm filming the whole thing. I got my camera out because I'm just laughing. And I'm like, go!

Eventually I throw a rock at him. That's what I had to do. I threw a rock at him and he dropped the fucking rabbit. I didn't hit him. I didn't hit him, but just I threw a rock near him. He dropped the rabbit and then she washed his mouth and stuff. So gross, man. It's just, I'm living in fucking filth.

It's one thing if you leave these animals outside, but they sleep in my house every night. Just eating dead rabbits running around with their carcass hanging from their body. That is disgusting. Anyway, now it's time for our free plug. Go ahead and hit the free plug music. ["Free Plug Music"] Oh, that music would have paired nicely

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