Tosh Show - My Grillz Maker - Alligator Jesus

Episode Date: July 2, 2024

Daniel sits down with David Tamargo AKA Alligator Jesus, the jeweler and grill-maker to the stars, to talk art, diamonds, and all things Miami.See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

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Hey guys, it's Daniel Tosh and welcome to another episode of Tosh Show, the most peaceful podcast out there. Can we get some light rain? Yeah, that sounds good. How about rain on a metal roof with an occasional thunder? Oh, this is peaceful. Can we add some random animal noises? How about some ocean in the background?

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A train? Yeah. Aw, Eddie? So peaceful. How you doing today, Eddie? I'm doing great. You getting excited for Fourth of July? Oh, you know it. Woo! Where are you taking today, Eddie? I'm doing great. You getting excited for 4th of July? Oh, you know it.

Woo, where are you taking the family this year, Griswold? Well, I think this year we're gonna spend it at the beach near the house. Oh, that's boring. The beach? Yeah. No, I don't know if I need to tell people where Eddie lives, but he lives in South Bay here in Los Angeles.

And when I talk about South Bay, I'm not talking about Palace Verdes or Torrance. I'm not even talking about El Segundo. I'm talking strictly Manhattan beach and Hermosa beach. I don't even care about Redondo beach. Now on 4th of July, it's just nonsense. It's just nonsense. Girls from age 13 to 55, dressed like complete whores, and they walk up and down the Strand,

and that's the sidewalk that runs on the beach. And then there's these million dollar homes that are just one right after another. And they run between 10 million to 25 million. That's about the price range of most of those strand homes. Now, on 4th of July, for whatever reason, when I used to live in South Bay, you can just randomly go into people's houses that day.

You just, every house is just opened up and debauchery is going on. It's just a party, just serving alcohol. And that's what I recall of 4th of July. So that's what you're gonna do with your family, huh? I'm gonna take him down to some of those big old houses and party. Mm-hmm, well, that sounds nice.

You grilling this weekend? I will be grilling, yeah. How often do you grill? Grilled last night. I grill like three times a week. You're a weekend? I will be grilling, yeah. How often do you grill? Grilled last night. I grill like three times a week. You're a three time a week griller. I'm a once a week griller. The other day my wife made me grill and we, I was, she did all the prep work.

But then she hands me so many things like it was, you know, eggplant and she wanted this, this bread grilled and grilled and there was shrimp and there was chicken thighs. Every single thing she gave me had a different increment of time that it needed to be grilled. And then the sheer number, when you give me shrimp to grill and just give them loose and then vegetables and they're just just loose they're not on a skewer. Now I'm now I'm spending, I'm burning every hair on my hand just in there way too long. It's like oh it just needs two minutes each side. Oh great there's 300 of them. Right. I mean if you're looking you ain't cooking. I know that. Oh I find

it painful. It's just a lot of grilling, a lot of flipping. I was, I was annoyed. And then, and then she's like, Oh, well, you know what? You should, you could have done the eggplant a little longer. Nobody wants to eat that shit anyway. Tastes like mush. You're, are you a gas grill guy? Yep. Get a Weber. You got a Weber? Got a Blackstone, also flat top. I'm pretty sure I have a Viking. You have a wolf.

I have a wolf? I have a wolf. That's good. I don't even know. It's a wolf. It's got red knobs. I love it. She works right away.

I've never used the rotisserie thing in it and it's got a sear thing. I've never used the rotisserie thing in it and it's got a sear thing. I've never used the sear thing either. There's a lot, a lot it does that I don't use. There's a, there's lights inside of it. Don't use those either. I'm always shocked that they work. Seems like it seems like that'd be too hot for lights. I really just set it to medium high for anything, no matter what I'm cooking.

I really just set it to medium high for anything, no matter what I'm cooking. Sometimes when I do chicken wings, I, uh, I do the, uh, the high heat on one section and then just set them on the other side where there's no heat and just, you know, it takes 30, 45 minutes. That's, that's the, that's as fancy as I get. Oh, you know, I also do something with a baked potato that I think is pretty good. You take a baked potato, this is how I grill my baked potatoes, and I take a fork and I stab it a million times all around

and that's dangerous because a potato is dense. And then I smother it with olive oil, tons and tons of olive oil, and then I double or triple wrap it in aluminum foil, and I grill it for about an hour, hour 15. And basically, if done right, it comes out like a twice-baked potato. It's almost like mashed potatoes when you open it up.

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["Paw Show Theme Song"] Paw Show! My guest today believes that the key to a beautiful smile is to have the words baller written in diamonds on your teeth. He's the grill maker to the stars. Please welcome Alligator Jesus. Thank you. Do you want me to call you Alligator Jesus at all time? I mean, that's what my mom calls me.

She calls you Alligator Jesus and never even shortens it? She shortens it to Gator. There. Just to Gator? Yeah. But who gave you the name Alligator Jesus? Not me. It was everybody that was teasing me. She shortens it to Gator. Oh. There. Just to Gator? Yeah. But who gave you the name Alligator Jesus? Not me, it was everybody that was teasing me. So if you see that line right there,

there's a little scar. I still have a pin in my wrist from wrestling an alligator when I was younger. I used to catch alligators and mess with them too. Yeah, I mean, you know it's molesting. It's like a restable offense in Florida. Not when I was doing it. When I was doing it, we were like yanking them out of ponds off the golf course and like throwing them in the river

and the country club guy would give us 50 bucks for getting rid of them. Exactly, you know, it's like a thing that, in Florida, it's very normal. Us Florida guys, we know, yeah, yeah, yeah, Florida, you know, whatever. But I went with Native Americans. I went with Miccosuke Indians on an airboat.

And we sought out a very gargantuan, big ass alligator. And the guy jumped into the water and hugged the thing and taped up its mouth so I could do a photo op thing. And they were pretty rude to the gator. They were kicking it and they were really freaking mean to it. And I just had had enough. And I wanted to let it go, but they were like, all right, you let it go. Because they weren't going to...

Untape it? Untape it. And I'm like, well, it'll starve. Yeah, so what? Was there a response? I was like, no, I'm going to let it go. All right, go for it. And it broke my wrist in the process of trying to let it go.

I mean, it's a pissed off, like, big ass Gator. I don't know how big of a gator you've ever been. No, no, mine, the ones that I messed with were in the three to six foot max. Nah, this was like over 12 feet. This is a big ass gator. This is a big boy. And yeah, it, you know, holding onto it,

it broke my wrist and this thing swung up. I was 23, because I was under 25. I still had my mother's health insurance. Okay, so that's where alligator Jesus came from there because you should be dead They they made fun of me because I was trying to save the Gator like some sort of alligator Jesus and it was just a makes sense. I like it. No, I'm happy with it born in Miami born and raised in Miami Are you Cuban? Yeah, all 100% 100% mom born in Havana My dad on the technicality born in New York, but Cuban.

And yeah, we're raised in Miami, my three brothers and I. Miami is very different now. Oh yeah, absolutely. Crazy different. I lived there in the mid late 90s. Oh cool. So you saw it. Art Basel came in the early 2000s, like 2001 or 2002, and that really did a big change of the ecosystem down there because, of course, that brought all the attention and the money and the people to invest in South Florida.

Because now all of a sudden, everybody from around the world saw the economic possibilities about South Florida as they did time and time again, you know, in history of it. Everyone would just come in from somewhere else, see the magic of that South Florida ground and say, I can do something and build something from here. And all the ass. Oh, man, of course. Did you, were you a Canes fan? Yeah, definitely.

Are you still a Canes fan? I mean, I don't follow any sports ball these days. Athletes will hit me up and be like, oh, do you watch our games? I'm like, not really. Oh, you don't care at all about sports. No. I like it. Now, you went to FIU.

Yes. You're the only person I know that went to FIU. Really? In the history of the world. I mean, there's a lot of artists and people coming out of FIU that are making some notable changes in the world. That's pretty cool.

Did you ever want to go to UF? Never. Me neither. No. Wasn't my steeze want to go to UF? Never. Me neither. No. Wasn't my steeze. My wife, her whole family, all Gators. Oh my gosh, they do that whole thing with the hands and everything.

The chomps. I guess it's better than the other racist hand. Yeah, the Seminoles definitely, I mean, hopefully they cut that out. Now, you studied at FIU jewelry design? Yeah, I did. Well, they had a small metals metal smithing program. Okay.

And I got into that because I had to get out of photography, which was my main thing, because of an allergy to the chemistry. By the time I was turning 18, I started to notice these like rashes on my hands. And by the time I turned 20, my hands would just literally go like this. And I'd have to go outside, get fresh air,

run my hands under cold water to like get dexterity back in my fingertips because the Saturation to all that chemistry was really messing me up. So let's let's talk about your right When did you move from Miami to Los Angeles? It was 2011 I started coming out here and then 2012 January 4 2012 was the day I moved here officially and landed in Culver City and said this is where I'm going to live. When did you get to jewelry? Because you didn't immediately.

Once I moved here, I was in the art world and jewelry was my hobby. And who shoved you in the right direction? Murakami, Takashi Murakami. He's the one who, I came out here working with him. And he was like, he had already seen your jewelry before. You know, it's a funny story. It's all, I was a curator and art director at a museum on a lunch break.

And I'm walking down South Beach on Washington Boulevard. There's a pawn shop next to a nightclub, as there is. And I looked and I did a double take and like, that's a fucking Murakami in the window there. And it was a gold sunflower eyes, like the sunflower with a smiley face, inside of a skull that was completely covered in diamonds. And it was a ring, but it was blatantly a Takashi Murakami artwork. I recognized it.

And I went into the pawn shop, asked them if I could see it. And the guy was kind of like, ah, this fucking thing. You know, I've had it in my window in the store in Miami downtown, and no one's looked at it for two and a half years. Here you go. You won it $6,000. I was like, are you kidding me? We just sold Murakami prints for like 20 grand at the gallery that I was working with in LA.

Oh, but were you, were you question, were you positive you knew what you were doing there? It was signed on the inside. It had like the monogram. It had a serial number. It had the carrot weight. This was as legit as it could be. So, you know, I put a deposit down, 600 bucks.

It's like all my money at the time. And I went upstairs and called Kai Kai Kiki, his organization in Long Island City. And they were very dismissive of me. And they're like, you know, why are you calling us about this thing? But then, yeah, a Miami Beach detective was at my door the next day asking questions about me. So we went over to the pawn shop and it turned out the thing had been stolen from Murakami years before at Art Basel.

And it was like a story that Murakami and his people really wanted just to go away. They didn't want this thing to resurface. Whatever, I guess insurance had been paid out. So then this thing kind of popping up again was a problem for them. I did get it. Was it dangerous? Were you ever in danger?

No, but I did go to Kai Kai Kiki and they were very much like, oh, thank you for coming. Please leave. They were like not wanting to address this situation. Did you get paid out at all? No. I did not get paid out, but it did open a lot of doors.

Like, you know, doors opening, that's pretty cool. Murakami blew the doors off the hinges for me. Murakami and this whole situation got the attention, because it was international art news, of a collector out here, galleries out here, museums out here, an institution started to take notice of this kid who did something great. Murakami publicly called me at an event,

ah, this is David Tamagot, most honest man in America. And like called everyone to stand up and give me a round of applause. You say, listen, I was trying to buy it to sell that shit. Yeah, absolutely, but no, but I did- What would have it been worth? You know, over seven figures or something now, but six figures back then.

I love it. I love it. Art world is whatever you can get for it, really. I know. So seven is what I'm holding on to. It's really up there. And to get back to your question about when I started really being Alligator Jesus, 2017, Gagosian Gallery, I think it was his show in March, maybe in 2018,

but I'd already been doing my jewelry more and more. Murakami had his big solo show, they always do around the Oscars, at Gagosian, and Murakami sees me and he just beelined it for me, grabbed me out of the crowd and he's like, oh David, how are you Mr. Tamago-san, blah, blah, blah. So good to see you, glad, glad, thank you, here. And I'm like, mind you, this has been years

I haven't seen him and he's just- Don't do an impression. And okay. Yeah, he pulls me over and introduces me and says oh Pharrell Ben Baller. This is David Tamargo more best jeweler in America and I'm like, uh, what? and baller and He's like, yeah, your your Godzilla ring was amazing this and that. I had shown him a piece back in 2013 that I had made in 2010. So I'd been doing jewelry all the time.

And he was telling me all those times, stop curating, stop working in art, don't work in film. Do your jewelry. That's what you're really passionate about. That's what you're great at. Because you did do everything out here in LA. Yeah. You were wanting to do film, all of it.

People like me are just resourceful. That Miami hustle, we're like always figuring out how to get things done. I mean, you're, let's be clear, you're not to knock the wonderful people of Miami. Your hustle is not necessarily, some people in Miami, little less hustle. There's some people that I kind of would like to push a little harder.

There's definitely a thing called Cuban time. I'm well aware of Cuban. I've lived on Cuban time. I've been to a Miami Heat game where there's no one at the basketball game until the middle of the second quarter. Do you believe in ghosts? Absolutely. Oh, interesting. Alligator Jesus believes in ghosts. You know, I went to the Quad Cities and I had like close encounters with ghosts and stuff. And if it weren't for like those kind of situations I was put in, they're like,

I'm a scientific brain kind of guy. I can't explain those things. Is it drug related at all? Not at all. I'm sober as hell. You know, I've never been a drug user. Never? Not even casually. What about hallucinogenics? Natural like a mushroom sure like that this micro dosing is very common right now Yeah, like I was at Burning Man a couple years ago

And I wanted to do a point five gram and somebody's like oh here take this chocolate. It's half a gram I eat it and you can't trust their math and then of course course it's, oh, my bad, that's five grams. And you know, I was floating. That was the harshest, craziest drug trip I've ever had. And is that the story where you ended up having to take off? Oh yeah, yeah. Yeah. That is that story.

You heard that? Yee-hee! All right, just go on. Who calls that needs an emergency grill while you're on five grams of mushrooms. She's the only one in the world that I would say I would allow to have a grills emergency and it's Madonna. And she needed me in New York like tomorrow.

So then that's the situation where like I say, I just laugh because I'm at the center of Burning Man itself. I'm at the man. When I got the wild service, it just came into my phone and I'm like, am I hallucinating this? Her executive assistant says, Madonna needs me in New York tomorrow. Well, you can have me if you get me from here.

And I just took a selfie at the man and she figured it out, you know? She got me. So you took a private jet to New York, a helicopter in. Well, yeah, it was all that shit. Like, you know, Burning Man has everything you need. If you need it, it's there. And, you know, if you need to get off the Playa,

there's a helicopter that'll take you to Reno. Reno, you can catch a PJ. From there, I went to LA, grabbed my tools, got a red eye to New York. That was the most efficient thing. Am I supposed to say PJ? I mean, that's... God damn it, that sounds better.

That sounds better. You get to a level and you just start taking more comfortable means of travel. Uh huh. I just like the term PJ. I just never said PJ. Pete, start saying PJ. Well, you call it soda, not pop, right? You grew up in the South. I think I call it soda. Yeah. I mean, it just depends on where you grew up.

Where you grew up. If you call a private jet a PJ or not. All right. If you grew up with it. PGA or not. Yeah. All right. You grew up with it. I did not grow up with it. Was grills always going to be a specialty or no? Not at all. It was definitely not something I was interested in doing

because I had made grills in Miami, but grills back then were very much street culture. And street culture doesn't pay the bills. Does not. And those kinds of clientele, definitely they bring things from the street. That attitude, that swagger, and then that aggressiveness and threatening attitude

when it comes down to pay. That's always fun. And there's a very competitive nature in Miami for grills. Like people are always saying, I can do it cheaper. But like that cheaper person, they're either cheating the carrot, which is like if you're paying for 14-carat, they're giving like 11-carat or 12-carat. Okay. And they're either cheating the carrot, which is like if you're paying for 14-carat, they're giving you like 11-carat or 12-carat.

And they're putting more alloy. So you're not getting exactly what you're paying for. Yeah, of course you're getting it cheaper. They're not honest businessmen. Like me, everything that I do, I can put my name on it because I'm casting it myself. I put the actual diamonds. But I hear about New York jewelers and other places where these big rappers, in fact, there's a very famous rapper here

who his entourage gave me a broken piece of jewelry to assay, which is melt down the gold, extracted diamonds, and they wanted to make something else with it. And they had paid a substantial amount of money, six figures for this necklace, and it was in pieces. And it turns out once we assayed it, it was like nine carats, not 14.

And the diamonds, I actually gave him the diamonds to look at the diamonds and he was like, nah, these are VVSs, which stands for very, very slight inclusions, which you should not have any perceptible things inside the diamond and imperfections in it. And I gave him one of the diamonds to look at with a loop and he's like, well, it's all that stuff inside the diamond. I'm like those are inclusions. These are I these are included diamonds

These are trash like this famous jeweler that he spent all this money getting this jewelry piece from May accuse you of lying or no? No because I literally made sure that he was with me throughout the process I like to wait you have to almost do that now. You can't like take stuff away from people. No, no, no. There's a lot of stuff like that you hear about like, oh, if you take something to get resized, make sure they do it in front of you and stuff. But I never do it with my wife's ring.

I'm always like, just go clean it. Yeah, I'm not sure. What are you gonna do? Are you gonna swap it? But yeah, I mean, that's a definite thing in jewelry. So grills weren't really my thing because the clientele are very thuggish back in Miami. And it wasn't until I got here in LA. Where we have a classier thug?

No, I was very ingrained in the rave community and the after hours. Did you go to raves? Yeah. Tons of... Yeah. But you didn't... you were never like into ecstasy or anything like that. I was always known as like, oh, alligator's there, but he's partying drug free. And people would always say, I don't know how you do it.

And they're like, jaw jacking from cocaine and whatever else they're doing. I have never done cocaine in my life, ever. That's all going to change right now. I've seen how it destroys people's lives. All right, so you're clean, you're straight, but the rave world was what kind of? Absolutely.

And that community, that blur, peace, love, unity, and respect, that principle in the rave community is definitely a really cool concept in any community. It mirrors that of the Juggalo community, which is what I really came from. That's what I forgot all about. How could you forget? One of the first things you did was you... Did you create their website? What did you do? Well, I was making websites...

For Insane Clown Posse. Yes. For people that don't know what a juggalo is. Whoop, whoop! A juggalo is a fan of and a loyal part of the community of... Did they pay you in Fago? They paid me in something better. Oh, good. Clout. Let's get back to... a loyal part of the community. Did they pay you in Fago? They paid me in something better, clout.

Let's get back to, I want to get to grills again, because the pandemic, oddly enough, made your business skyrocket. Did you see that article Flomp Magazine wrote about me? No. It was called the Pandemic Hustle, and they documented how I sat on my hands for about two weeks And then I was like I can't handle not doing anything. I watched Tiger King and I'm like, that's it

I gotta get out of the house and do something with myself. So I decided to finish up all the orders that I had pending and I started a drive-up service where people would drive up to my house, they'd crack their window open and I would be in full PPE, gloves, I had extended gloves, I had a painting suit, mask, all the nine and I would take their impression through the cracked car window and then take that impression, drop it into a bag of bleach and tell them, drive off, Venmo me and I'll make your grills

and you can come and pick it up the same way in a week. And of course, EDD money started to kick in and people started to get all those paychecks coming in for unemployment. They couldn't stop themselves. When did you decide, hey, this is too much, I gotta get this out of my house? So I was making, I do everything in downtown

in the jewelry district. Right. That's where I produce it and fabricate and everything. And I was so busy making stuff that I could stop, I had to stop doing it at the house, so I had people just driving up to me in downtown. And it was when someone tried to mug me, and literally I don't know if they're trying to mug me

or it was just a crazed guy with a knife walking up to me. While I was making an impression with someone from a car, someone screamed, alligator look out! And there was a guy maybe three steps behind me, creeping up behind me with a knife. And I just ducked and ran and the guys ran after him, but he was coming at me probably to rob me.

And I was like, holy shit. Did you have anything on you at the time? I had jewelry on me. I just come downstairs and I had my backpack with me. And this is like around the times of the riots. So, you know, there was an air of like rebellion in LA. And the downtown district, especially the jewelry district, people are known to not flaunt anything that they...

No. The richest person down there is walking around with just a paper bag. A paper bag and a black t-shirt, no chain on. You turn around and you see somebody with a knife, you're like, oh shit, I got to get off the street. I'm no longer street level. That same day got a little studio. It was probably about twice the size of this little space here.

You don't have to brag. It was bigger than this. No, but it was very small. It was just like a small space during COVID. I didn't need a big operation. And I was just like, I gotta get off the street. Were you by yourself? Yeah.

Where are you at now with people that are helping you? I've got my one production manager, and he runs point, he takes things from point A to B. Like I'll do the wax up, it goes to casting. Casting is a totally separate operation. My friend's company, they're efficient. If I get it to them by 2 p.m., it's ready the next day. They have options that if I get it to them by 1 p.m., it's ready the next day. They have options that if I get it to them by 1 p.m.,

it can be ready at 7 p.m. Back then, you were making a grill, you'd make an impression, you'd make the grill, and they'd get it the next week. And that's a very fast turnaround compared to normal grills that people get custom made take. Three months. Three months.

And now where are you at? Same day. Same day. Yeah, we're operating, like, we'll charge you a little bit more, because it is a stress. You know, we've got to like, everything has to flow flawlessly and accurately. I can't even get same day dry cleaning.

Is wearing a grill bad for your teeth? No, not at all. I mean, you gotta- Do dentists recommend it? If people wear retainers, the same problems with retainers, you gotta clean it every day. If you drink something, you gotta rinse it out. Do you sleep recommend it? If people wear retainers, the same problems with retainers, you gotta clean it every day. If you drink something, you gotta rinse it out. Do you sleep in it?

No. Do you wear a grill every day of your life when you're working or no? Yeah, this is my everyday look. I didn't get dressed up for this or anything. I'm just like, Thanks. Gonna cruise through the day looking like this.

What about going through TSA? It's a pain in the ass because the dental alginate is like a powder, so they always want to test it. But lately, because I travel so much and I keep going to a lot of the same cities, the TSA know who I am. So it's pretty cool now, like I get spotted or, you know, with, when I started working with Madonna going through TSA in New York, Oh, you're Madonna's jeweler! So that's really cool. I get spotted with that because she was on the Fallon show just like talking about her grills.

I mean, yeah, I don't know. She's a little, I don't know what's going on with her. Madonna's awesome, man. I mean, yes, the concept. No, she's got four decades of being a real pop icon. I mean, there's very few pop stars that are like Madonna level, Michael Jackson level, like and she, Michael Jackson,

now we got a Taylor Swift, Beyonce even. Is Taylor gonna ever rock a grill? You know, I see her people watching my stories. It's never the actual artists that reaches out first. It's always the people on the peripheral. When they're that big, do they want shit for free? There are people like that, but. What's a grill, what's a bottom end grill cost?

And what's the Cadillac of all grills cost? What's my range? I just made a grill, we finished it last week. It was $225,000. $225,000, is that both top and bottom? Yeah. Is it always top and bottom? That's what looks best.

Like having that symmetry is always something. And if you get like a single tooth over here, you should get another tooth over here because your bite, imagine you do have a layer of metal over a tooth. So if your bite, I'm always about making sure that your bite is comfortable. I don't want your jaw to be like all weird.

So you have the grill makers that they're, you look like robot teeth because they're all very straight. You see that as well with like veneers when they're done poorly. They just look like chiclets. Bad veneers. It's hard to look at people.

It's hard to look at them and same with the bad grills. So I'm always about following your natural. You scratching the inside of your lips with them? No. Never. There are certain textures that people want like diamond dust because it's a very low cost, sparkly finish, but it feels like sandpaper. We are certain textures that people want, like diamond dust, because it's a very low-cost, sparkly finish. But it feels like sandpaper.

We don't do that because we tell people it cuts your lip up. What percentage, just ballpark it for me, your clientele is white kidding grills. Of Caucasian people? Uh, maybe 50%. 50% Caucasian grills. Yeah. It's becoming more mainstream? Yeah, it's it's like a white shirt mainstream

I will I do I we did do this number we we looked at all of our orders from 2023 and we realized that On average our customers are women over 35 That's the average. Yeah, What about jacked up teeth? Do you ever go like, oh, we can't deal with this? I had someone recently came in and he wanted a top six, but he only had three teeth that they could hang onto. So I was then making an additional three teeth that were false.

And that's something that we can easily do for people, which is a great feeling when people are telling me like, yeah, I never smile anymore because I'm missing some teeth for whatever reason. People can miss teeth for any number of things. I've got two implants in the back. And I'm sure it took like a couple months for the implant to heal. Yeah, they had to put the stupid bolt in your mouth. Absolutely.

It's awful. So imagine in the interim, we offer this for people because it's affordable enough. Like $200 a tooth in gold. You can have this bridge in gold that makes it look like you're not missing anything. Can you eat with grills in your mouth? I don't recommend it. You could. I mean, it's easier when you have a full grill than if you have just a couple caps here and

there. And if you have any fangs, like that makes it a little difficult. You like doing the fangs? It's the most popular thing for sure for us. Because a lot of people in the subculture communities in the nightlife, they like that darkness to it. That vampires are always popular. What percentage of your business is grills

versus other jewelry? I'd say 50%. Because we're doing a lot more engagement rings and big chains and a lot of custom jewelry for people these days. Fake diamonds versus real diamonds or whatever, versus created, what's the other diamonds? I'll say this, Lebron James has publicly said he wears CZ.

Everything that he wears, all that jewelry is cubic zirconian, which is very much worthless. It's like 10 cents for thousands of stones. But the work to, but the- The craftsmanship, the workmanship, To make it isn't free. And everything isn't free there. He's paying all in the labor.

It doesn't matter whether you're putting diamonds, lab diamonds, or natural diamonds. Lab diamonds, that's the word I was looking for. Lab diamonds are still very expensive still. No, not- They're not pennies. Not pennies. Not pennies for sure,

but there's different qualities and different grades of lab diamonds. You can get moist night, which is on the lower spectrum. Then there's two different kinds of lab diamonds that are named after the process of how they're made. And then there's natural diamonds. And that's where you get to the conflict diamonds? Well, I mean, you don't find that anymore.

No? No one's, I mean, unless you're, I mean, you don't find that anymore. No? I mean, unless you're, I mean, are you buying jewelry from a back alley? I have no idea. But I mean, there's got to be, there's only so many diamonds in the world, right? What happens these days, people have mixed parcels, where like, if you're buying in bulk,

like 10,000 one millimeter stones, which like in my grills, I have like little tiny one millimeter diamonds, right? OK. They're all around the opals. If you're buying 10,000 and it's a thousand dollars per thousand of them. So it's $10,000 for this bag. And the person I'm buying from, if it's not some valued trusted person with a great reputation and I'm trying to just find the cheapest deal out there, I'm probably going to find somebody who's going to sell it to me for $7,000 or $6,000. And what they've done is they've taken out 4,000 of the natural diamonds, or just 50%

is natural and then 50% is lab diamond. And they've kind of mixed parcels because to the naked eye, unless you starting to put those diamonds into a spectrometer to read the light, passing through it and everything. And that's, that's a whole process all in itself. It can't be checked once it's in the jewelry. It's just like a drug dealer. Yeah. Just give them this dirty drugs.

Yeah, yeah, exactly. It's like cocaine, I guess, if you cut it with stuff that looks a similar way. Yeah. You see that in the movies where they're in labs cutting stuff. Well, I've seen it in person. I mean, are you doing mostly lab diamonds or?

I always tell everybody, tell me your budget. I don't have any prices. I mean, are you doing mostly lab diamonds or? I always tell everybody, tell me your budget. I don't have any prices. Tell me your budget and then we'll design something towards your budget. Because some people, they only have 500 bucks. And then especially, I guess what has made me most popular with artistic clients and artists that are producing content and producing like either, even if it's TikToks or if it's artists

that are making music videos and album covers and performing and everything, I want them to not feel like, oh man, I can't afford that Johnny Dang $200,000 chain. What they don't know is like, all right, that Johnny Dang $200,000 chain, $100,000 goes to Johnny Dang. That leaves 100,000 for, $100,000 goes to Johnny Dang.

That leaves $100,000 for the materials and the labor costs. Well, he's getting that made very cheaply with either his in-house labor or overseas with even cheaper labor, so that might be a $50,000 materials and labor chain. $150,000 of that thing is like... You gotta cut that middleman out. You gotta cut that middleman out, or I just tell them, you could get a $50,000 of that thing is like... You gotta cut that middleman out. You gotta cut that middleman out, or I just tell them like,

you know, you could get a $50,000 chain, which is very easily attainable from someone like me. And, you know, if it's, if you don't have the $200,000 and the Johnny Dang stamp of like, I got it from Johnny Dang, which says a lot in the community of rap, but you want to have that look. You can get one made in silver with CZ that looks just as good. And mind you, if people like the Kardashians are no longer really wearing fancy jewelry

because of what happened to Kim in Paris where they broke in and were robbing her of all of her jewelry, celebrities are more and more switching to lab diamonds or even silver and CZ. Yeah, but you're still gonna get robbed whether they tell you it's fake or not. You just got that part. I love Bad Baby where she was on record saying,

I can't wait for the day someone tries to steal something from me, I'm just gonna give it to them. Let the stupid asses like take it. And it's not worth anything. Chad Johnson, a pro football player, Ocho Cinco, he always bragged about never buying real diamonds. You can spend your money on better investments than that. I mean, the only thing that has a resale value

is the natural diamonds, the labs don't, no one wants to pay. Oh, they don't resale, interesting. Your company, your office space, what kind of insurance do you have to pay? I'm getting even new insurance now because it's like crazy. Is it horrible? No, it's not horrible.

I mean, what's the most diamonds you've ever had in your... We don't keep a lot of inventory, if any, in the studio. What about you? Do you ever let people borrow jewelry? Yeah. You know, it goes over my head, but a friend of mine came over and yesterday was like, hey, so-and-so rapper and so-so rapper. And I'm like, oh, this rapper from Wu-Tang

and that one needs some chains here, just take this. They're brass and glass, but Bad Bunny, Megan Thee Stallion, Lil Nas X, all these people, they're not always buying this stuff. They're renting it or they're borrowing it from jewelers. And there's plenty of stuff being rented from Beverly Hills, but you'll see the same design over and over and over again. When we make low cost rentable stuff,

it has really cool design involved in it and it looks good. And it makes the artist feel like, oh, I'm getting something unique because it came from alligator Jesus. And they know that if it's something that's really unique and really custom I'm not just gonna loan it out to a bunch of people I don't want ice spice to borrow the same chain that doja cat or you know Those two women should have their own identity and they shouldn't be wearing the same thing publicly

Do you think you'd ever become mainstream enough that you would have your own line that like at Christmas, like the Zales, the big alligator Jesus is new blank forever pennant grill necklace at Zales. Every kiss begins with alligator Jesus grills at K. These are things that do you strive for that type of mainstream success? Nah. No.

Nah, if it's not fun, I'm not going to do it. And I love, look, we're here for a very short time and I want it to be. Well you, because you're on the street with diamonds. Yeah. People are coming at you with fucking knives. Yeah, I want to have fun doing this. And sure, maybe I don't have kids,

but I'll leave like a legacy to my kids and who cares after I'm gone, what they do with my legacy. So I at least had fun doing it. But it's very much all about me interacting with people. And I still love making art. Alligator, the alligator has in your logos, two heads. Where'd you come up?

What's the significance behind that? There are decisions in your life every day that we make that could lead you in one direction or another. And having the two heads about it, it's like at least the acknowledgement or the awareness of that every decision you make in your life could lead you down a path. Okay. Anybody that's on my show, I always give them something from my house that I don't want

anymore. This, I'm giving you this from my house, but it's not that I don't want anymore. This, I'm giving you this from my house, but it's not that I don't want it anymore. My wife's aunt, Travis Blanton, she is an artist in Vero Beach. Oh cool. Does ceramics, so you give him a wine stopper. That is fresh as hell.

You know, I should have named my company Million Dollars, and people would give me Million Dollars. Yeah, no, I'm giving you Alligator Stopper instead. I like this though. Now she has to send me another one. How big is your community? How many people are actually making grills for this specific clientele?

It's worldwide. No, I understood, but I mean, but is there hundreds of jewelers or is there less? There's about a hundred of us out there. At the top, yeah. It's not competitive? There's definitely people that feel like it's competitive and they're lost because I make a much better friend

than a competitor because I mean, first of all, you're only competing with yourself in what you do. Clit rings, you ever make one of those? We have. Do I need to get an impression? Or can you just ballpark it? Speaking about clit impressions, I brought everything to make your dental impressions.

Oh God, but is this the same type of impression that you do at the dentist when you're like, get fitted for some reason? Because those things make me gag. You've only done it in the US, because I don't use the US stuff. In fact, the US stuff is not even legal in the EU, because of all the chemicals and weird shit.

Will it pull out a filling? That make people gag. No, not this stuff. So I import my dental alginate from Denmark. It's color changing, so it's not like, in your mouth for like, 20 minutes or whatever. How long is it in my mouth for? 30 seconds to 45 seconds.

Okay. It's really quick and it's the most accurate impression. I'm paying for my grill. No you're not. Yeah I am. You're smart. I support the artist. Alright that's cool.

As long as it's cheap. It can be whatever you want. I have to tell you my budget. My budget for my grill. What's that? $300,000. $300,000 is my budget? He'd break a...

You know it's wild because there's some jewelers that throw these weird numbers out there. I'm like, how the hell do you get that number? And I told you before about the Johnny Dang where it's like, $100,000 goes to the artist. I just did a project for Adidas and my take home. Did you really? That's awesome.

Congratulations. Thank you. And it just did a project for Adidas and my take home. Did you really? That's awesome. Congratulations. Thank you. And it was like a quarter million project and like, you know, oh shit, I shouldn't say this, but like, you know, my take home. I like telling people what things cost. I just put all the money into making the thing. You took it all. I put everything into it. I was just like, I'd rather this thing to be like really cool and awesome and give this as a gift to the city of LA for people to see this thing. And you know, whatever, it's Adidas.

Like my name attached to Adidas is a cool thing. It's a big deal. It's a big deal and that'll turn into things later. Or maybe I'll do a partnership with them later, but it's just for me more important to make the art. Oh no. This would be the best way in the world to like have me killed.

You're like, you're like, oh yeah, just put this in your mouth. And then all of a sudden she's done. Foaming mouth and it's just like, oh. You can't travel with that though, can you? Yeah, I do. You, they don't, that's the stuff though that they. Yeah, it's inert. So it's inert.

So they, I mean, people travel with protein powder too. So. Right. But anytime you have your the cans that don't have labels on it that sends off some flags over there TSA Do I need to sign my name to this so that you remember whose mouth it is? I'll fill out. Oh god, David. You got an order form. Look at this thing This thing is official as fuck How many grills a day are you doing now? At least five. Every day of your life?

Yeah. In somebody's mouth. You know, my assistant is doing impressions for me now because like right now while I'm here, we had some appointments, you know, we changed the time. So I had some appointments I had already arranged. So I was like, oh whatever still come my

My assistant's able to get the look at all these up charges. It looks like you get your tires rotated Cutouts do I want any fangs? No, I do not want fangs I'm just gonna let you go willy-nilly and do whatever you want. Would you like a top or bottom grill? I think a top, couple teeth. Yeah, yeah. I mean, I gag just if I hold a pen in my mouth. You'll be fine. So pull your lip.

Say ah. Ah. All right. That's it. Bite it down? No need to bite down. You see how it's pink? It's color changing, so as soon as it's as white as the spatula, it'll be ready. It's all over the place.

For any drool you might have. Mm-hmm. This is great. Mm-hmm. No, I hate it when so freaking cold in here. But yeah, you're about done. Say ah. Ah.

It wasn't so bad. No it wasn't. You know, there's a dentist here in LA, Connolly, Thomas Connolly. Okay. And he's in Beverly Hills. And he does the, he's an actual dentist, so he'll remove teeth and put like new teeth. He did post Malone's where he has magnets implanted

into the platinum teeth so that the grills will magnetically hold on. Oh, interesting. So that's really cool. He started with the baby where he put magnets in the back teeth, so the grills just go thunk and hold on. They don't cause any tension on the peninsula. If one post gets older and if his kid does good in school,

he could take his report card and stick it to his mouth. He could do that now, man. I'm looking forward to seeing him at the Gov Ball. The Gov Ball? Yeah. Good. Alligator Jesus, you're just, you're, you're doing all the cool shit. Yeah.

You hang out with all the cool people. I appreciate you being on the show and thank you for making my first and last grill. I got your impressions whenever you need another one. Oh, right. So I went through that one time. That's it. That's great.

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You like that? Uh, my first grill. What do you think? You look different. Got yourself a little top pony, little man bun. Look at all Jason Momoa up in this motherfucker. Yeah. Look at us.

All of a sudden I got a little more street cred. Mmm. Killing it, man. Killing it. Hey, should I tell them what happened the other day? Guys, another great story. Carl, you want to hear it or no? We do it?

Let's do it. My son had a friend over. they were playing in the pool. I was swimming with them. They were both physically attacking me. Then my wife's like, ah, your daughter wants to get in. So, you know, when you're fighting off two five-year-olds in a pool, it's nothing better than having to hold

a one-year-old the whole time. So that's what I'm doing. Anyway, that part of the story doesn't matter. Then we take, my one year old is done. She wants out, take her out, take her swim diaper off. She's walking around. My wife's going to get a diaper and then she poops right in the living room. The doors are opened up to the pool area. She poops in the living room on the rug and they're like two very dark, very dry. She's not getting enough water, I guess.

Round. They come out really round, like just slightly smaller than a baseball, bigger than a golf ball. Okay, there's two of them. Boom, boom. Gonna be a very easy pick up and clean. My wife immediately steps in one. Barefoot steps in it, goes between her toes, she starts freaking out. Then she's like walking on her heel to go get something to pick it up.

I go, don't go pick it up, go clean your foot off. Clean your foot off first. Then we'll pick up these two balls. All right, well then she goes and cleans her foot. Then she comes back and she goes, guys, bad news. There's only one left. Yeah.

You got anything to say for yourself? You ate another nugget. Just coprophagia-ed it. Just boom, gone. Just ran in, said, oh, here's oh, here's an unattended turd. I'll take that. Why'd you eat it? I had to brush your teeth.

Meanwhile, when my son's friend and his mom are just watching this whole thing, like, what is happening in your house? And I'm like, this is what we do. We step and poop, dogs eat it. We all laugh at each other. Good times. All right. Thanks for watching The Goat.

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Anytime they rolled, they sounded like a mouse. So, they ate a big lion. And then they tried to roll around a lion. And they twisted it. So they were kind of like, fleet, fleet, fleet. So they had more lions, more daddy lions, and then they tried to move and it sounded like that. Roar!

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