Tosh Show - My Magic Guy - Jeff Black

Episode Date: May 20, 2025

Daniel volunteers to be amazed by magician Jeff Black's tales of high school magic club, cruises gone wrong, and performing for Quentin Tarantino.See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

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It's Tosh show time Good morning, Eddie. Good morning, Daniel. Eddie? Yeah. You know that I was made in Germany, right? I do know that. Mm-hmm. And you know that my favorite band has always been Rammstein. No, I don't know that.

Do. Oh, nice. Do Huss. Do Huss me. Do Huss mit Goethe. If niff not, it goad all fly. I'm not familiar with that band. You don't like that song? I don't know that I don't like it. I'm not familiar with that band you don't like that song. I don't know that I like it I'm not familiar with do a hush seems like a little hush me. Mm-hmm

It's I don't know the words no, that's it it's in though it's I'm in the wheelhouse Oh, man, you play that song. Nothing. Nothing gets gets me going. You can save your black coffee Give me some Rammstein. I'm in a good mood. All right now I don't like to pat myself on the back too often But this this is this is one for the ages the other day. I'm With my daughter. I'm holding her, we go into a coffee shop, okay? I don't drink coffee.

Right. Getting a coffee for my wife, she didn't even ask for it. I'm just picking her up on iced hazelnut vanilla latte with oat milk, I don't know. I know a version of what she likes. Anyway, I'm going in there just to just to make her day a little brighter. I'm gonna pick her up a coffee. Now, in the coffee shop waiting for their order were two black

men in their early 20s and I'm gonna say this is probably wrong, but I'm gonna say very gay Mm-hmm, you know a lot of mannerisms dressed fabulous Okay one of them looks me dead in the eye and Goes excuse me

Are you a famous model? Wow. Holy cow. I almost dropped my child right there. I was like, are you kidding me? I looked at, I go, he just made my life. I am not a famous model. And this is what he says to me

with no hesitation after I say, no, I'm not. He goes, well, you've got that factor. Wow. How am I not supposed, and I know you're like, we shouldn't care about their sexual preference or their race, but I care. And it made them so much cooler. And for them to say, like if some hillbilly looked at me goes

You must be a famous model. I would be like, okay. I don't even know that I would report it That I was about ready to get thrown in the back of a pickup But from these two who clearly knew style and fashion to look at me and just go. Oh new style and fashion to look at me and just go, oh, like I was floored. I couldn't believe it. You ever had two gay men come up to you and just tell you how beautiful you are? I mean, I've never injected heroin into the eye of my cock.

Okay. But it's gotta be close. That was pretty neat. Well, anyway, so I'm in a great mood. So I thought, well, what better way to bring me down off my high than read some of the comments from our subscribers? Yeah. So, Eddie, go ahead.

Put me in a foul mood. Let's see. This is from the Sergio episode. Okay. Sergio, the builder of my home. Says, great interview until he said he thinks Spain is the best country in the world Nothing like a rich person working in the US raising children in the US and developing a life in the US Then saying another country is alright stop stop done

I'm done See, that's it. That's it. It took it took you reading half of a comment For me to realize that this was a horrible idea. Oh God, you fucking people are so stupid. Do you know you're stupid? Or do you think when you were hammering out that way too long comment that you were like, hmm, I got them here? First of all, let's start with the one thing, and I shouldn't talk about one of my friend's finances,

but I think Sergio would be totally okay with this. He is not rich by any stretch of the imagination. He was the foreman on my job. I hired his boss, his boss's company, and Sergio works underneath him. So, you know, people will say, oh, he overcharged, he never charged me anything. He had somebody to report to.

The fact that I gave Sergio stuff that we weren't using or extra stuff is not the point. So anyway, let's start with that. Sergio's not rich. Now, liking his home country more than he likes America. How dare he? First of all, he has a Mexican wife who they met in Los Angeles and they have a family here.

That's why for the majority of the year they live here because that's where his family is. I just, it annoys me so much when people say, when a president gets elected and people threaten to leave, like, oh, if he wins, I'm leaving the country. I never say stuff like that. And I could, I could go anywhere on this planet if I felt like it. I don't, because I don't want to. It's like, this is where I live.

This is where my family is These are the restaurants that I like to go to or that I know about So I'm not I don't want to have to find new places to eat I just it's so dumb do I think it's the best country in the world? I don't do I do I like living here. Yeah, it's great. I love the Miami Dolphins, I don't fucking live in Miami. I know that they are not the best team in football. They're not even in the top 50%, I don't believe. It's just so weird.

How can he like where he was born and raised more than where he lives now with his wife and kids? I don't know. He just thinks it's great. So who gives a shit? You know the person that's commenting this isn't some guy that's got it all together living in Laguna Beach going,

I can't believe you're shitting on this place. No, it's some guy in some horrible part of this country hammering on the keyboard. You can love someplace more than where you live. Like, if you don't think it's the best, then you shouldn't be here. That is so dumb. The other thing I can't wrap my head around completely

is people that type things out that are shitting on the guests that we have. These aren't celebrities. So these people don't need to come on the show. They're doing me a favor. They don't have a PR team telling them, oh, no, this will help your image. So you guys are doing me a disservice

when you write snarky things about a guest that didn't wanna be on a show in the first place, they're not looking for any type of attention. I'm just asking, hey, as a favor to me, can I interview you because I find you fascinating? And I want to share your story with people. So you're doing this show a disservice when you write nasty things about a guest Makes it harder for me to get other guests to come on the show and some people like to say nice things about me Oh, you know, I do a good job interviewing these people but some of these people are very this is the first time they've ever been interviewed

They're very nervous. I have to ramble 30 minutes about what we're going to eat later for lunch, just to get them comfortable before we get into it. And then when we finally have a fun discussion, you hammer shit out about, fuck this guy taking jobs from us. Go around here. Eddie, what's your what's your uh what's your favorite country I'm gonna say France France well that that would

upset Sergio to be honest John what's your favorite I'm gonna go Spain oh look at this two Americans one military kid the other one from Ohio and Both of them pick a European country. You guys are both deplorable Dylan what's your favorite country? I'm going Norway. No, I actually I pretty good might you might be able to sway me on that one Pete Spain He was Spain All right. You want to know my favorite country is?

Yeah. Okay. It's America, but I'm a Homer. I'm a Homer. In fairness, it's it's I like Tahoe and Tahoe is in America. Yep. So the whole country wins because of Tahoe. You know what?

I'm sorry, Eddie. I know we were going to do comments, but you've soured me You soured me with the first one and I don't I don't want to hear from anybody else Yeah Mowin all you want guys one bad apple Ruined the whole thing for everyone I'm kind of in a good mood though because i'm i'm thinking i'm thinking about tahoe Which always makes me happy because it's a magical place And I don't even believe in magic, but there's something about that altitude once you're over 6,000 feet. Oh

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Apple podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. And we'll see you next time. Bye. Bye. My guest today has a job that even if you think is silly you can't deny how insanely impressive it is to see in person. He can take a deck of cards and magically make you pretend to care. Please welcome Hollywood's favorite magician Jeff Black. Ta-da! So great to be here. That's nice of you Jeff. What is this thing is this notes? Yeah just to remember some stuff if I...

Gotta get that off my desk. Make that disappear. Boom. First question. Do you believe in ghosts? No. Ah. Is it better if I lie?

Uh-uh. Okay. Can magicians get into heaven? I, yeah. I don't think they can. Ha ha ha ha ha. I like that that's a serious question. Anyone can get the forgiveness of.

No, I don't know. I feel like you're... Because you're dabbling in the dark arts, though. I mean, my last name is Black. All I do is Black magic. Oh, man. I get emails actually from people that want me to put curses on their family members and stuff like that. And I'm like, I don't really do that kind of Black magic. It's like card tricks, you know, I think nerdier. Can you do curses?

I... No, I don't do that. No. All right. Jeff, where are you originally from? I'm originally from Arcadia, California. You ever go there? Why not? Why'd you say why not before I answered? Well, I'm already assuming that you haven't been there When would have I gone to Arcadia? It's next to Pasadena. So yeah, I mean, I'm sure I've been to Pasadena I don't know. All right, so you're from Arcadia. How'd you get into magic? I saw the David Blaine specials when I was a kid and I always wanted to learn and like it just seemed like the coolest thing ever.

And then the library was really bad with the books they had at the time. So I didn't really get to learn until YouTube was a thing in high school for me. Let me tell you something. David Blaine had an influence on me as well. Cause he would be interviewed regularly on Howard Stern. And I would hear this monotone,

and then I'd see his face on the E network when they would televise it. And then I would see the girls that he was dating. And I was like, what in the actual fuck is going on? Like magic is real if this sack of shit is, he used to date everyone in Hollywood. Mind-blowing. That's the only part of it that interests me. None of it. Do you like what he does now?

Yeah. The, like, I'm gonna hold my breath for 12 minutes bullshit. It's pretty cool. I, like, he's really pushing his body. A lot of that's, like, very real and he's meeting the people that do it, learning how to do it. And I just liked it when he was on the street doing tricks in front of black people and then they would scream like crazy That's my favorite. That's the formula. He innovated. I wish he was he's the one that figured out black people are the best audiences That's the first magic special that really put that in the limelight

And he created the genre of street magic basically by doing it you join the magic club at your high school Yeah, how much pussy did you guys get? at your high school? Yeah. How much pussy did you guys get? Do most high schools have a magic club? I hope so. What, honestly, I've never heard of such a thing. What?

Can you letter in magic? Letter? Oh, like is that, oh, is that like a grade in school? No, this is so perfectly, but you don't know the reference of letter. If you play football for your high school, you get a letter, like a letterman's jacket, and you get a letter.

Oh, okay. I never lettered, let's be clear. It's like the chess club, I'm guessing. Yeah, that's a much better comparison. Okay, how many people were in the Magic Club in your high school? 15, 20, pretty good amount. Oh, we had a big high school though.

I had like 4,000 kids in my high school. Diversity in that club? Yeah. There was? Arcadia is a diverse city. OK. In general, magicians. Diverse? Mm-mm.

Not diverse. Not between genders. Definitely not gender-wise. Why don't women become magicians? I've always assumed it was because magicians learn it to pick up girls. But there is a bigger magic presence from the women, at least at the Magic Castle now.

They have like a women's night. They meet up. I can see a growing momentum there. How long does it take to get good at magic? I felt like after three years, I was just like feeling my hands. I'm like, whoa, three years of like everyday practice card magic. I was like, I feel proficient. I can do anything I really want to do now. That's with like 12, 16 hour practice days. What? Yeah, I just no-lifed it for a while. Do you prefer illusions or tricks? I prefer tricks you're just asking the term or the actual like. What you refer to it my tricks? Yeah I prefer tricks just because

illusions to me means like big stage props, assistance that kind of thing and that's a lot of logistics I don't like. You do close-up magic as your specialty? Yeah. Is that fair? Yeah. Okay but But will you ever, do you know how to do the bigger illusions? Are you building big props? I'm working on stuff. Yeah, I'm messing with it, but I'm not like considering myself an illusionist.

I'm just trying to make my stage show bigger and better. You have to have somebody handling all your music cues. That's a real job. It is. I can do it myself in a lot of instances unless the theater's too big. Okay. Bluetooth distance, I can do it myself. Mm. All instances unless the theater is too big. Okay, Bluetooth distance I can do it myself. Mm-hmm. All right, a lot of work like a real pro. Yeah, I know it is

You know, I used to work in Shin Lin's theater a long time at the Mirage. Yes. Oh, is he good? Oh, he's phenomenal. I've never watched a single minute. We pass each other in the hallway. I'm like a shin How was your show? He's sprinting because he does a bit where he runs backstage like a maniac to get to another entrance and does something. I'm like, I always try to stop him and talk while he's like, he's got to hurry up and get to this other spot. And I'm like, Shin, what's going on? How's the audience? What a show. Yeah. Now he actually won a competition called FISM. Have you ever heard of that one?

Yes. It's called the Olympics of Magic within the community. And if you win that, pretty much every magician in the world knows who you are. And yeah, he won that a couple years before he won AGT. So I was already a fan of his. I was like, yes, if someone's going to win AGT, let it be this guy who's really putting the work in. He's not a fraud in any sense of the word.

Are there frauds? How do you cheat your profession? There's people who, I mean, not to say I haven't done this, but I feel soulless when I do it. If you just buy a magic trick and just copy and paste it into your act. In comedy, I think that's why we stick our nose up at a lot of magicians.

Because when they try to cross over and be funny, and it's like, oh, they, you know who really buys acts? Hypnotists. Really? A lot of hypnotists buy acts. Because for a long time at comedy clubs, hypnotists were taking over too much.

They were like doing like two weeks. Normally a comic is there for one week. And then they were like, oh, they just buy their act from another hypnotist. And you know, it's like, oh, here's what you do. You bring people up and you tell them it's cold and then it's hot and they had all the jokes, whatever. And then of course everybody loves it

because the audience is participating. But that doesn't mean it's good. The audience is fucking idiots. Like I think we all have to always accept that. They're, I mean, I say that to the audience. I don't mean it like a nasty, but they don't matter. They're just fucking people. I know how you're gonna react. That's your first rodeo have you bought any tricks yeah I

mean it seemed like every trick is just a variation of another trick is that not true I wouldn't say literally every trick is but most sure have you ever had to confront another magician that's done a trick that was eerily similar to one that you that was like a personal trick that you had created not too much I really do pick stuff That's quite difficult on purpose so that it's if you're gonna copy me you're gonna work really hard to do it or you're gonna Do a really bad version of it. Are there magician magicians? Yeah. Oh, yeah, that's a term that you guys say like a comics comic Oh, yeah. Oh, that's the thing too. I didn't know that was the thing

Sure comics that like oh, we all want to watch this comic perform a lot of times They take a big, you know bowl of shit in front of the audience because the audience doesn't like him But it's like we don't who cares. Yeah, no magicians magicians do exist A lot of times they'll like do like classics, but they'll change the method and the magicians will be like whoa But for lay people the classics are a classic for a reason. So the method's probably not as good as the classic method. Yeah. What's a classic?

Just an example. The linking rings. Oh. You seen that one? Yeah, well, sure. I mean, I've always had, you know, you always end up with a set of rings that you're playing with.

And I'm always like, well, I don't know how to do this. This is, I don't want to learn. I feel the same. No, I don't touch the linking rings, but it's a classic. Yeah. How often are you thinking of new tricks on your own? You often yeah, and what's your process? How do you do you come up with an idea or do you see something? How does it how does it actually become a trick in your act the more I?

Evaluate my own process the more I think it's a product of being ADHD But I just see what excites me when I see it What lights my heart up and then I found those flames and I just see what excites me when I see it, what lights my heart up, and then I found those flames. And I just try to recreate that for others and share that. Most bullshit answer I've ever heard. You ever try to con people? You ever do any of that? In middle school.

You did? Yeah, I won like 20 bucks from this kid, yeah. What was the trick you were hustling them with? You wanna see it? Sure. Okay. Oh man, I'd love for you to take some money off me. All right.

See that right there, it's like chip tricks when you're playing poker. It's just all you said to me right there by spinning that was, hey, I was in my room a lot. Yeah. I worked at Best Buy, but hold on, before you get too excited. You were on the Geek Squad?

I was on the Geek Squad. No, I wasn't. I worked at a Best Buy before it opened. Whoa. Right. Like it was just in a Best Buy that was opening and they were getting ready and we had to alphabetize the CDs and get them all. This is back then. And all I would do all day long was practice spinning a CD, a case, a square on my finger. You still do it? Yeah, I got pretty good, pretty cool.

I'd love to see it. It wasn't as good as you, but it was, I could spin it for a bit, and I thought that was cool. I was like, oh, and then the store opened and I quit. All right. Yeah, this is a really basic trick. This is middle school, by the way. I get you.

All right, go ahead and pull out any card you like. Show it to the camera if you want, and look away. Once you got it dialed in, go ahead and put it back somewhere and then once you take the cards, you know how to cut the deck. Yeah, perfect. Beautiful. Alright, so I'm gonna start dealing through the cards face up just like this and you know what a poker face is right? Uh-huh. So you're gonna keep a poker face. If you see your card I want you to make sure you don't react at all, okay?

Now I noticed that you started to react a little bit there, so I have a feeling that we're pretty close. You know what? Okay. I'll actually bet you that the next card I flip over is gonna be your card. Okay. What, gentlemen's wager, $1? I I mean that's not gentlemen. Gentlemen's wager's

no money. All right. But I reacted too big when I saw it. I also forgot if it was the clubs or space. That's what the camera's for. So yeah that one's a real sucker bet. Yeah. You want to know how it's done? I don't know if I do. Okay, then we'll move right on. That's how you win 20 bucks. Or one dollar in your case. No, gentlemen's bet is always, is no money. Trading places, gentlemen's bet. Ugh, what did Harry Potter mean to you?

Dude, it's great. I mean, so good for magic and... My son, we just finished reading the first book. Oh, really? Yeah. I'm so torn because of her politics, you know. Ugh. Oh, sure. I'm just torn. She really doesn't get into it in the book book. Oh really? Yeah, I'm so torn because of her politics, you know. Oh sure. I'm just torn. She really doesn't get into it in the book, I mean. No, I know.

It'd be great if she got into pronouns in the book. Held as your son, maybe you should go over that stuff. He's six. Oh perfect. We talk, he, listen. What about cruise ships? You ever work on a cruise ship? Oh, I would love to.

I got offered a really bad contract once for Carnival and I turned it down. It was like six months and I get like two weeks off and it paid but not enough to make it worth it. But there's some guys that have the great bookings where they go for like two weeks, they go to Greece and do a couple shows, come back. Like that's the, that's the thing.

That's the gig you want. I've never been on a cruise or performed on one either. Oh, I was on the Nightmare Cruise, the one the the power went out and we were just drifting in the ocean and You were on that cruise. Yeah, just for pleasure. No, there was a magic convention on the cruise. Oh Magic isn't real. Look at that Or was it just too much magic that caused the power out. It was too much magic How long was the power out? Um, we were out there for about like two or three days something like that And how do they and how do they remedy the problem? I forgot. Oh, um, they got like

20 tug boats from the area to tug the ship to the nearest port. I think San Diego Yeah, were you like that's it. I'll never do this again. Was it miserable or did you have a good time? Regardless, I had fun because it was a magic convention at the same time So I'm with all my heroes like they're on this cruise with me and we're all in it together, and I just thought it was so exhilarating. What about the food? Did they still... Could they prepare food for everyone? No, the food immediately went bad.

That's the first thing that went bad. And we had the craziest food, dude. I had a white bread sandwich with just one beet on it. Just, like, in the middle, a beet, like a slice of a beet, like a canned beet. That was, like, slice of a beat, like a canned beat. That was like some of the sandwiches they were putting out. Like they were out of everything, everything that- Did you sue them?

No, well the military air dropped in like Pop Tarts and like stuff like that, like yeah. But why wouldn't you sue them? Oh, because they gave us another free cruise and a night in the hotel. they gave us a bunch of stuff You're gonna get that regardless plus sue them Oh, you don't give me a you don't give me a piece of bread with a beat and then say oh we're even Steven That's that's permanently stresses that stresses me out, and I wasn't even on that ship

You should have just jumped over right away Just jumped over like I fucking I'm fucking out of here. Walk the plank. And they're like, what, why'd that guy jump? I don't know. Throw him a dinghy. Do you really consider LA to be the best city for magicians? Yeah, I make that argument personally, yeah.

But you could argue any big city almost. But the Magic Castle alone like really takes LA to the next level. It draws magicians from everywhere to move here. They call it the Mecca of Magic for sure it does. I've never referred to LA as the Mecca of Magic, but I might start. There's not a lot of magicians now leaving LA for Austin, Texas.

More so during the pandemic. Explain to people what the whole thing is. Yeah, it's a private nightclub for magicians. Opened in the 60s, I believe. And you have to audition to join as a magician member. I joined as a junior member. So they have a program for 13 to 20-year-olds. So I was 17, 18 when I joined that.

They allow 13-year-olds to hang out in this cool Hollywood castle? That seems, That seems dangerous. Yeah, it is dangerous. Yeah, I wouldn't let your kids go there if you don't want them to become magicians, filthy magicians. If you want to go to the Magic Castle and watch a show, you can't? You have to be a member? How does it work? Yeah, you have to be invited by a member or be a member.

And how much does it cost to be a member? It depends. There's a magician membership and a non-magician membership. Non-magician membership, what's that cost? I think five K, maybe eight K, something like that. A year? Yeah, I think so. And then the food is just mediocre at best, or is it good?

Are you a real food snob? Yes. Then mediocre at best, sure. I think it's pretty good, but maybe I'm an easy target. My wife recently went, she was with a group of girls and they were torn, half of them were civilized and the other half were like, oh my God, this is amazing. But I don't, it's confusing.

They were just like eating shrimp cocktail in a small room. I went there once with Teller. Cool. Just me and Teller. What? Yeah. You're friends with Teller? No. Okay. But I mean, friendly. Let me tell you something. What? Yeah. You're friends with Teller? No. Okay.

But I mean, friendly. Let me tell you something. Wouldn't shut up. Sounds about right. Shut up. Oh, I'm like, oh, this'll be nice. This guy's gonna be quiet. Wouldn't quiet at all.

He had ideas. Man, he had ideas. Yeah, I've seen them lecture you. They call him the smartest man in magic, actually. Oh, do they? Did he write that? Not that I know of. I'm not too close to them, unfortunately.

You've got to introduce us. I'll introduce you. And then I'll walk away quickly. Talk about some of the celebrities you performed magic for. Oh, yes. Probably one of my favorite experiences had to be Tarantino. I was working at the Magic Castle.

It was his birthday, I found out. So this is late in the week. I'm working at the parlor of Prestige-itation, the 70 seat theater, rake seating. Before the show starts, the host comes up to me. They run the room and introduce me and they said, hey, Quentin Tarantino is gonna be in the next show with his group, like 12 people. Don't bring them on stage.

It's his birthday, but they don't wanna go on stage. Okay? So Quentin Tarantino for his birthday is like, I wanna go watch magic. And get wasted. Mm-hmm, okay. All right, go on. Probably, yeah. The latter first. first and then we do the show and there's actually a new bit in that show where I open up my briefcase and all this red light pours out on me

and I'm just getting stuff in and out of it the whole show but it's totally like a Pulp Fiction kind of reference and then the show before that to the Palace of Mystery they were using the Kill Bill whistle song and he thought that we had planned this whole night for his birthday just like that when When he was watching the show too he was a really good audience member he was always leaning forward in his seat smile ear to ear I thought he was gonna yell cut anytime like he was in it to win it but yeah after the show he thought it was all for him and he's we've we told each other we're big fans of each other I hope he remembers that doubt it though

do a trick if you'd like to if you've got something that I could see. Don't tempt me with a good time. I'll show you my favorite one. So I was actually looking for a card to represent you just based on the time we've got to know each other, just from your energy or your way of being. Shut up. You've never done a tarot reading?

It's not that far off. All right, no, I've never done a tarot reading. Okay? You live in LA. No, I'm not that guy. Let's go. What am I doing? Okay, so I made a couple predictions.

I normally would just do one, but you have a lot of layers, so I'll make a four card prediction for you. All right, can you think of a number one to 10? You don't have to tell me, but if you see a matching number, go and pull it out. So if you thought of a 10, you'd pull out a 10. I understand what matching means.

Okay, I work with a lot of drunk people. And then show the camera, show everyone who cares. Shouldn't take too long. And once you got that, go and put it back face down in a face up deck. That makes it easier. Face down? Yeah. That makes it easier. Face down? Yeah.

Makes it easier for me, I appreciate you. Early morning. It seems ridiculous. People always wonder, what does your card have to do with the predictions from earlier? Well, all those give me clues as to the type of person you are underneath the mask, so to speak. For example, are you left or right-handed?

I'm right-handed, but I throw a frisbee left-handed. Oh, okay, yeah, I'm the opposite. I'm left-handed, I do the, yeah. Okay, that makes it a little bit harder, but I'll tell you what. The first card's gonna tell me how much therapy you've done and how well it's worked. So in your heart, what color is it?

Red or black? It's very red. Nice work. You pretend like everything's dowering or jaded, but you are living the life, aren't you? The next one tells me, are you well-rounded or are you sharp? And I can see you're a very well-rounded individual. Of course, the best people are.

And then the third one will tell me how confident you are. And, well, that's pretty rock solid, dude. Not bad. Got your own podcast and everything. Oh. The last one will tell me, most importantly, how kind you are. That's the most important metric, right? Yes.

On a scale from one to ten, you are a king of kindness. Oh, my goodness, guys. You hear that? Well, I only said that because I wasn't able to quite narrow it down actually between the four kings. Which one best represents you as a person? And people always wonder, what does these cards have to do with the one that you picked? Do you still remember which one you picked? If I remember correctly, you put a card face down in the deck,

and it happened to be a four if I'm not mistaken, right? A what? A four? No. You sure four, if I'm not mistaken, right? A what? A four? No. You sure? Yes, I'm sure. I don't mess this up, but it's always the four kings

at this point. And the one that I thought represented you, Daniel, that was always the six of hearts. Yeah. You like that, don't you? I mean, you just have to, it just... And I'm not somebody that watches that and tries to figure it out in any way. I and I'm not somebody that watches that

and tries to figure it out in any way. I know I'm not gonna figure this out. Let's just watch and enjoy. Look at that. That's ridiculous. Why, thank you. Huh? One of my favorites.

You imagine being able to do that with cars? Nope. I always tell people you're just born with it. The problem with magic too, is there's so much reading and homework. Yeah. And then you gotta read it and reread it and... I mean to make a trick like in your repertoire, it has to become a part of your soul. I'm sure it's like that with good comedy material.

No. No? Not. You just etch it into your bones. Sometimes you can stumble across a good... Like I can be on stage and I can just stumble into a joke that works. It's rare on stage for a magician to just be like, I'm just gonna see what happens here

and just try to improvise magic. It can happen. Yeah? Yeah, yeah, there's certain schools of technique that's totally a thing. My wife was brought on stage at Copperfield's show when she was a child. Not a child.

Not a child, but like 13. I don't know, how old was she? I think she was like 13. I think she was 13. How does he know? I don't know, cause he fucking loves Copperfield. So he was like fascinated by the story. And he knows the trick that she did.

It was the floating rope. I know that one, yeah. Right, so, and then she tried to, what'd she try to do, Pete? She reached out to touch She tried to reach out and touch it. He swatted her hand You naughty and and and then and then after that she did she got her ticket canceled She was supposed to go to the Bahamas

What with him? Can we do the floating mint you guys did you want to see this one? Um, yeah, we can do the floating mint What do I have to do? Those, those are the worst mints. Do you have any mints? We can do mints. They're so strong. Do you have the fresh maker? No, I'd like like an Altoid maybe. Mentosa, I don't.

Can Altoids float or do you need a hole in the middle? Altoids float. They're just smaller, this plays better. Okay, fine, let's do this. What do you want me to do? I want you to pick one and open one. Am I touching something that's gonna go in your mouth? Yeah, anyway, this is how a magician eats a mint.

Mind if I stand for this? Do whatever you gotta do? Yeah, anyway, this is how a magician eats a mint. Mind if I stand for this? Do whatever you gotta do. Carl's nervous about this trick. Here we go. Carl the dog is nervous about this trick. Uh-huh. He fucking hates magic.

I did meet a dog that hated cards. I think he was like one of those like hurting dogs. Something about cards. You like peacocks? You like peacocks for real though, is you? Wait, did you pluck that off a peacock by chance? So I grew up in a little town called Arcadia. Maybe you heard of it. In Arcadia. There's peacocks. Get this off my table.

There's peacocks. There's peacocks in my neighborhood here. There are? Yeah. No way. Yeah, they're loud as fuck. Ha ha, ha ha. That's right. There's a sweet peacock noise you just did there.

Well, you have peacocks in your town. We gotta get you a feather for your pocket square. Get a feather. I'm not wearing a feather. In like 50 years when your shirt is modernized, then you could have a peacock feather in there. I put this on specifically for you. You knew my 70s kink?

It felt like it was, like a magician could wear a shirt like this. Well, it's a little warm in here. So, you know, it'd be nice and breathable. I like that about it. Is that like, um, rayon or like, uh... Oh, I don't think it's rayon. It's nice and light. It is. It is nice. It's got a little shine to it. I thought, oh, listen, I tried. I tried to coordinate. Fuck, marry, kill. David Blaine, Chris Angel, David Copperfield.

Fuck, Chris Angel, marry David Blaine, and kill David Copperfield. Wow. What about you? I don't know, I think I was with you. No, I'm not gonna marry David Blaine. You marry for money and get the Copperfield route? Probably.

You'd be taken care of, that'd be nice. I wanna go to that island. Ooh, do ya? Ha you seen every magician show? Every magician is a big... Okay, but like the big... you've seen the big guy? I haven't seen Matt Franco yet. I heard it's phenomenal. I heard it's the best show on the strip, but I haven't seen it yet. You might be too young, but did you ever see

Amazing Jonathan in his heyday? Not live. I've seen the recordings. I've met him a few times. I mean, he was good. Yeah. And he's a comic. I mean, he's a real Yeah. And he's a comic. I mean, he's a real comic. He's, he was the one comic magician that, that like bridged the gap because comics loved him and magicians knew that he was legit. Yeah. I remember one time, Chris Angel did a thing and it was annoying the shit out of him, but Amazing Jonathan kept taking Chris's watch

and Chris wasn't catching it and it was fucking killing me. What a legend. Oh, so good. Is Chris Angel good or no? Yeah, I think he's good. Is he? I mean, you know, there's a lot of talk in the community, but.

I stopped, as soon as, fucking the chains, that look, I'm not, I don't, but... I stop. As soon as... Fucking, the chains, that look. I'm not... I don't... I can't watch that look. Mind if we could have like six or eight seasons or something? I don't care. That's a lot of work, man. No, I'm not saying he wasn't successful.

I don't want to look at him. By the way, let's talk about looks. Yeah. Okay? When did you say, this is my thing? I'm doing the mustache. I'm growing that thing out. In lockdown, I was going full caveman.

And then I got cast on an episode of Jubilee, Find the False Magician, some big YouTube channel. Okay. And my manager's like, Jeff, what are you doing? Shave. I'm like, let me try the mustache. Just let me try it. So I was able to try it and then all the comments mentioned me were talking about the mustache. And I was like, see? And he's like, all right, now you got to keep it to keep it. Oh geez you don't have to you know what the best part about it is no Girls will tell you immediately if they love it or hate it it saves so much time. They hate it

Well, it's polarizing and the few that love it you're in though. All right, we gotta go to Silver Lake and that's all you need That's close enough closer to Malibu Good for you Rank these movies about magic. The Prestige, Now You See Me, The Incredible Burt Wonderstone. And The Illusionist by Edward Norton. Edward Norton doesn't count for anything?

No. Okay, that's off the list. You wanna put them in? The Illusionist, fine, we'll put The Illusionist in. Sweet. Prestige would be number one, Illusionist number two, Burt Wonderstone number three. I do like Burt Wonderstone.

Oh, and Now You See Me, it's not on the list for me. Did you see it? Yeah. It's amazing, they made rain go up. I hate it. They made rain go up. By the way, I'm pretty sure Now You See Me has another one coming out right now.

They do. They do! They do. That's good for magic. It's good for magic, Yeah, it's just... I like magic when it's in movies, because the tricks can be so much bigger, because they don't have to be real at all.

I hate how it raises the expectations for magicians, and it's like, bro, I'm not gonna be in a giant bubble floating around the audience or whatever, like, come on. Yeah, that's true. But making rain go up, up was really neat, I thought. That is cool. Hot snow falling up. You, don't you, don't you ever talk... That's true, but making rain go up was really neat, I thought.

That is cool. Hot snow falling up. You don't, you don't you ever talk, that movie is great. Oh man. Wow, you don't like magic if you like that movie. I love it. I love that. Which was your favorite, the first or the second one?

The second one was the rain one. I don't think I even bothered to watch the second one. Oh, well then you're, are you not gonna see the third one? I wasn't planning, based on this conversation I will now. You said you grew up watching magic specials on Fox. Yeah. Fox aired breaking the magician's code.

Did you regret supporting the masked magician? No, I found out that a lot of the stuff he reveals is like some BS explanation that he didn't really give away the real secrets in a lot of cases, some he did. But I mean, honestly, who remembers the methods these days? If you saw it back then, like what do you remember? And anyway it's good for magic. I think it's just any publicity type of thing. Will you tell people how a trick is done? I've done it before. For a price? Well so if I do a really good magic trick for your table let's say and

then you're like hey how do you do that? I go everyone's got a price. I did that one time and this drunk guy, he's like, how about $1,000? And I'm like, yeah. He starts counting hundreds on the table. And you did it for a thousand, you gave it to him. I taught it to him, I gave it to him. And a little bit of your magic soul died that night.

Yes, exactly. It wasn't worth it. There's no chance he remembered. The thing is, you can tell me how a trick works. That doesn't mean I can do the trick. No, not at all. I told him, hey, hit me up for a Zoom lesson or something. If you want to go over it, he didn't give a trick works. That doesn't mean I can do the trick. No, not at all. I told him, hey, hit me up for a Zoom lesson or something if you wanna go over it.

He didn't give a care, like he couldn't care less. When I first started doing standup comedy in 1994, another open mic friend of mine was a magician. And we just hung out all the time, just the two of us. And I don't even remember his name. That speaks more about who I am. We were fun. We hung out. We had good times. He might be listening to this to this day.

And maybe he's successful. Maybe he's killed himself. Uh... But here's what I remember the most about him. One time he changed in front of me and he had the sexiest underwear on. And I'm like, what the fuck are you wearing? We go into the details? I guess I would only describe it

as like a European, like bikini thing. And I go, what the fuck is wrong with you? And he is like, no, man, this is for the chicks. Chicks like love sexy underwear. And I'm like, magicians are fucking weird. That was my take from it. I just remember his underwear. That takeaway completely fair fair by the way.

They are weird, but what? You never tried silk underwear before? You don't like to be comfortable? I haven't. I haven't tried it. Treat yourself. I'm not. Do you wear silk underwear?

Sometimes. I'll say, I get hot. I'm always wearing layers when I'm working. I get hot, man. And I'm a bigger guy. So I found that silk underwear breathes the best. It doesn't cling to you. It just wants to not touch you and you're just airflow, man. I See so me bringing this up

You didn't believe it there we go. I know I'm getting you for Christmas You own a top hat yeah Get out of here. Is it a magic hat or is it just just a nice hat to wear? It was nice hat to wear that I've poured cake batter in and it's disgusting now, but it looks like a top hat. Does it smell? No, no, I don't think so. Oh man, how do you clean cake batter out of a hat? I just discovered white vinegar. Maybe I'll try that next.

Oh, it's the smell. I don't like the smell of white vinegar. Well, yeah, I don't either but you dilute it. Maybe I don't know. I'm not. Listen, I appreciate what you're saying. I'm a single guy. I'm trying to make things work. Do you want to be a single guy? I mean, I'm enjoying it, but I would like to get married. Uh-huh. How's the married life? I love it Yeah, I love but I was I was I was designed to be married But I also love that I didn't get married like at your age I waited tells 40 mm at least or something

Were you worried about like you marry someone and then all of a sudden now you're walking on pins and needles and it's no like at your age. I waited until I was 40, at least, or something. Were you worried about like, you marry someone and then all of a sudden now you're walking on pins and needles and it's no fun and stuff? You're never worried about that? No, well I made sure I married somebody that I knew. Yeah, you've added them well, okay. Oh, I mean, yeah, I knew her for years and years.

She'd heard all the stories. That's the way to do it. Yeah. What's the biggest difference between Abra Kadabra and Alakazam? Abra Kadabra is a real, I think it's a Hebrew word. Oh. And it means I create as I speak. So.

See, right there, the interview worth it. Right. Absolutely. I'll be honest with you. Like that was, I never in a million years did I know that that was a Hebrew word that meant. What does it mean? I create as I speak. I create as I speak Abra Kadabra. And Alakazam.

I think that's just. Shaquille O'Neal invented it? Yeah, that was in Shazam. Did you like Shazam? What do you think of Harry Houdini? He's the most famous magician of all time. He worked super hard to create the escapes. Was he, to me, an outsider of course,

he seemed like a stunt man. Yeah, sure. Is that fair or no? Yeah, he created that for himself Yeah, and then he took any well, how'd he die? He got punched in the stomach when he wasn't ready ruptured his spleen I think yes, and then he did the show with a ruptured spleen and then they were taken to the hospital after when he died But if he didn't do the show he would have lived

Show must go on see it doesn't it doesn't have to go on because sometimes I have to go diarrhea And you know what Pete does instead of bringing me up the bucket just fucking puts music back on wait you don't keep a bucket behind the stage oh god everybody that's on the show gets gifts what it's just stuff that I was laying around my house then I give it to you because I don't want it anymore never it's never good stuff okay first thing I want you to have is a cape. Yes! This is from a... If it's an adult?

No, it's not an adult. It's not an adult. It's my son's. Ah, cool. Cool, cool, cool. He also... This... Eddie bought my son this.

It's a magic kit. And I'm like, my kid's not... It's too much. He's got too many magic kits. It's a 200 trick line or something. I don't know. There's stuff in there. Wow.

You know... Wait. Oh, it's my son's thumb. You know, you give this to somebody. They'll love it. That's great. Look at this. This is what Eddie buys my kid. Okay. Tell me in what world do you think I have a DVD player? I don't have a DVD player. I know. A little outdated. What else do you need? Look at this. What is this? Oh, wait a second Let's see. I it's got a trap door in it. Whoa exposure. Sorry. Sorry my fault my fault You want to see my wand? Yeah, you have your own one. I brought my own one my bag of tricks. Remember that? Holy shit

Am I I'm not reaching out and am I supposed to touch it or may no bullshit that the powers that transfer If it'll let you touch it. Yeah. Yeah What is who can't What does this do? Not just turning it into anything? You make it flowers? Yeah. It's a stick, but, um... It's, uh...

My friend Makoto made this by hand, though, and it's, like, made out of ironwood, so it sinks in water, this wood, and I've dropped it in the pool before an accident, and it works, and then... Well, can you swim? Yeah. Luckily, it fell in a shallow part of the pool.

I was at a gig and I was able to reach and grab it, but that was pure luck. And then the outside, you know what that material is on the outside? I don't. All right. So this is a baseball stitch, just like on a baseball. But that leather is actually a stingray leather. Yeah, it's one of the most durable exotic leathers. It's covered in calcium nodules. Can they kill the stingray just to make your wand? No, no, every grows. Oh, okay. Yeah, the, it's one of the most durable exotic leathers. It's covered in calcium nodules They kill the stingray just to make your wand no

Rose the okay. Yes You have to go shit. You have to go wait for a stingray to shed or you have to go peel them How does it work? Yeah, it's like a reverse skin graft to think about it like that This hat won't close. There's springs in it. There's weird stuff going on in here. It's trap doors. I can feel stuff in here Whatever take this off my, just, this is, I just want you to own my son's magic kit. Thank you, Tosh. Hold on, I got something else for you.

Get all this off the desk. This is garbage. This is nice. This you're gonna love. My manager gave this to me recently, okay? Something up your sleeve, right? Yeah. Okay, this, wait till you see this jacket.

It's kind of like a Snuggie, but it different you're gonna love this here you go there you go oh put this on you next time you're cold I know you're warm right now but try this for a second is this down oh yeah I guess this is nice here's your there's your oh you wear you wear no no that's the wrong sleeve that arm okay there you know one okay yeah now put that around. Oh wow, this is such a shape. Get around you, you're gonna love it. All right. Where do you see this jacket?

The magic that you can do in this? I'm telling you, it's perfect for magic. It's got a nice boxy shape to it. Yeah, yeah, you'll feel it. Very flattering. You kind of, to be honest with it, you look like somebody that would teach martial arts. You're gonna love this jacket. You're gonna love this jacket.

I am gonna love this jacket. Why, your manager really hooks it up. No, I hated it. Never once wore it. What? Okay, take that off. Excuse me, I'm still. It's too hot, it's too hot in here. You're gonna burn up.

I have ideas for you. Yes. Okay? We're just collaborating here for making the act bigger. No pun intended with bigger. But have you thought about having an assistant? I have done it on several occasions, including this past Saturday. Okay, here's my pitch for an assistant.

And I'm not doing a fat joke. I would like a large man as an assistant. I want him to dress kind of ridiculous. I also want him to be painfully bad, where you're having to fight with him and argue constantly. At some point you might even tell him, you know what, just sit in the audience. This show is worse because of you,

and then you just bring somebody else up and let them be your assistant. But I do, I like the idea of not the typical woman. I like a big of not the typical woman. I like a big man dressed silly. I like him being funny. I can be in too loud, you know, not knowing his role. This is my comedy angle into magic that I would find enjoyable.

I was thinking like a buff guy in a vest and he's super loyal to me and like has very simple way of speaking. Okay, you're just trying to fulfill some weird fantasy from high school, but I... I want him to do a ritual before every trick, like he's like, and then the assistant has to clean it up, and it gets more elaborate and more messy every trick,

and the assistant's like, oh, come on. I like this big guy that you tell to get into a box, and he's like, I can't get in that box. Like, there's no physical way. Do assistants want to be magicians? Most don't. Some do eventually when they are mounted enough. I think usually they're dancers or actresses or something,

so they just kind of- What kind of dancer? Well, all right, if you're an illusionist and you got them going in your illusions and cutting them in half and stuff, you want a petite dancer probably, because they just are going gonna be the most. Pliable?

Yeah, pliable, they can slot in, they can fit in anything, they're not gonna break your stuff cause they're too heavy or whatever. What about a child? Are you allowed to use a child? Are there rules against that? Yeah, people will use their kids if they have kids or. You can't use somebody else's kid?

I don't wanna cut my own kid in half, but there's a few of his friends I wouldn't mind fucking taking a whack at. How many magicians use identical twins for assistance? Not too many because I feel like you could pull off some real cool tricks that way and not regularly that I know of But that story in the prestige for example about the magician being a twin. That's real stop bringing up the prestige You open Pandora's box, bro. I can't wait. That's right. Yeah, I brought a prestige my fault. I appreciate magic I appreciate the amount of time that it takes to become good at it. Mm-hmm

It's the same way I feel about stand-up comedy. I would never go see it There's a lot of overlap I can understand where you're coming from. Well, I'm just I'm not gonna go see stand-up comedy That's how I've always felt about my profession. I've secretly been embarrassed by it. Sure. I've been there. I hear you. But there are people that I'm sure you would love to see. You know, you have heroes in comedy? None? I do. And when I get to see them, I'm like, oh, my goodness, they're amazing. Same with magicians, that I see magicians that do things.

I'm like, this is the most impressive thing I've ever seen in my life. But when I'm at home at 4 or 5 p.m. and I'm planning the night, magic ever seen in my life. But when I'm at home at four or 5 p.m. and I'm planning the night, magic's not hitting the list. Fair enough. It is for, you gotta be pretty nerdy

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You're so wrong on that one, Rod. From Campside Media and iHeart Podcasts, listen to GoBoy on the iHeart Radio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. Pausho. I want to thank Jeff for being on the show. Oh shit. Jeff turned into my dog Carl. You like magic Carl? Hmm?

You like that one peanut butter trick we do. That's not a trick. He loves it. He loves it. Alright, well, what do you think? Should we do our plugs? ToshShowStore.com. Hey, by the way, I saw somebody at my last show with the Carl shirt on and I gave him right up front.

Okay. We got a lot of tours coming up. Eddie's on tour with me and without me. I'm going to be all over the Midwest. I'm excited about that. We got a lot of tours coming up Eddie's Eddie's on tour with me and without me I'm gonna be all over the Midwest. I'm excited about that. And when I go to the Midwest, oh man Let me tell you all the activities. I'm gonna do Kansas City. I'm gonna eat. Mm-hmm. I'm gonna get some barbecue Omaha gonna go to the College World Series with my father-in-law Okay Minneapolis might go to the Mall of America to the Nickelodeon

Middle with my son. What do I do Milwaukee? I'll probably rent a Harley Davidson Why not? Yeah, yeah, aren't they from Milwaukee? Yeah. Okay, then Madison guess what I'm gonna do Mushrooms. Okay. Yeah do mushrooms with the college kids. Yep Hang out with the college kids do some mushrooms then heading over chicago guess i'm gonna do there. I'll pop in on the pope Say hi to him Then i'm going to venge my father's beating my father got jumped Uh when he was like 19 or 20 years old when he was visiting chicago And i'm gonna find those guys and i'm gonna beat the shit out of them

Now they're probably in their 80s or dead But uh, I'm gonna fit it's a cold case. Well They never found who did it a couple fellas took my dad's money and beat him beat him real good He's always hated The Cubs, you know, he's a die-hard Cardinals fan, but uh always hated them extra special Because of that beating I think one of them might have had a Cubs hat on mmm. It sounds like white socks behavior, but honestly It was I think I think one of them was a Cubs fan Wolf it will get to the bottom of it daddy

All right, you should we do that do that? You don't call your dad? I call my father daddy Yeah, daddy. I'm gonna venge your dick. I'm gonna venge his beating I'm gonna venge his beating. All right. Well, it's time for our free plug. So let's hit the music There you go All right, I don't want that music to stop. You know what? Let it play a little longer. Carl, you like it? It's good, right?

What genre would you say? What do they call that? Big swing? Is that what that's called? Big swing, that's it. That's big swing? I like it. Voodoo cat.

Alright, this free plug. Ladies, get ready to flick your beans. I'm going to be a little bit of a wimp. I'm going to be a little bit of a wimp. I'm going to be a little bit of a wimp. I'm going to be a little bit of a wimp. I'm going to be a little bit of a wimp. I'm going to be a little bit of a wimp.

I'm going to be a little bit of a wimp. I'm going to be a little bit of a wimp. I'm going to be a little bit of a wimp. I'm this free plug Ladies get ready to flick your beans. I Really got to read these free plugs before Are you sure? What is this? Ladies ladies get ready to flick your beans to an all-male review Because May 20th, it's girls night Out, the show at the Milk Parlor in Blacksburg, Virginia. Whoa, a male review. Hmm, that's tonight?

Woo. All right, whether you're celebrating a birthday, bachelorette, divorce, or you're dirty 30, don't miss the most exciting Ladies night out of the year also exciting We'll be watching groups of girls split the check at the end of the night. That's the real. Oh, that's always fun. Ah mail review I've never been to a mail review You've been to one. Nope

Me neither. I wonder if there are they gonna allow Touching at this one. I bet you know reviews they allow touch Yeah, I guess I'm going stripper club rules where you always had to keep your hands on your side touch No touching, but I think I think male reviews they let you touch as much as you want. I hope so Show starts at 8 and the doors open at 7 which gives you and your ladies an hour pound drinks and forget that you are married and live in Blacksburg. Uh, general admission tickets are 1995, but if you want to be a VIP and trust

me, you do, uh, you're going to want to pay 34.95 and enjoy the, uh, the benefit of premium seats plus a meet and greet and a pick with the cast following the show. Oh, that's not bad. If ever you were going to want to do a meet and greet and a pick with the cast following the show. Oh, that's not bad. If ever you were going to want to do a meet and greet, this is it. It's the guy with the meat. Yeah. Yeah.

And then you get a pick with them. That's nice. The milk parlor. It's located in a, uh, what is it? Two one one Draper road, Northwest, which is right next to the armory. Is there a website that we can preview the boys? Maybe we can just go. Are you talking about a road trip? Yeah.

Get the podcast on the road. I like, I like this. If we broadcast live from the girls night out the show. First live podcast. You know, they call us the show. It's true. I wonder if you, you know what you ought to do. They ought to be like another tier package where it guarantees that you get brought up

on stage. You know, my wife and Pete's wife went to the show, what was it called? Wait, that's the Thunder from Down Under? Magic Mike. Oh, Magic Mike. They were at Magic Mike in Las Vegas and Pete's wife, Sam, got brought up on stage and they brought her up in the air in a harness and they asked her if she had any heart conditions. She didn't.

She had the time of her life. She came back satisfied, a shit-eating grin on her face, and I've never seen Pete more disappointed in his wife. He was just furious. I guess she didn't tell him that she was going. I knew because I have an honest relationship with my wife. But Pete, Pete was blindsided by Magic Mike and the boys running a train on Sweet Samantha. Well, anyway, see you next week. Amy Robach and TJ Holmes here.

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