Tosh Show - My TV Stylist - Carrie Cramer

Episode Date: January 23, 2024

Daniel talks to Carrie, his stylist and personal shopper who has dressed him for over 15 years.See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

I'm Nicole Perkins and in my new podcast, The Godmother, I'm inviting you to 1930s New York. I want to tell you the extraordinary story of Eunice Carter, the trailblazing black female lawyer who put New York's most notorious gangsters behind bars. Somehow, she's been largely forgotten. Listen to The Godmother with me, Nicole Perkins, on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. Hey, this is Reed Isbell. And Dan Isbell. Otherwise known as the Brothers Hunt.

We're hosting a new podcast, God's Country, by Meteater and iHeart Podcasts. God's Country is a weekly drive to the intersection of music and the outdoors. Two things that go together like Sunday and some pond fishing. Our cows and green pastures. This record will be the one that will always define who I am. So hop on in and ride shotgun with us. We take the back roads with some of the most influential

people in country music today. Listen to God's country on the iHeart Radio app, Apple podcast or wherever you get your podcast. The Celebrity Memoir holds up a mirror to society. That's why we started our podcast Celebrity Book Club with Stephen and Lily. Where we read Celebrity Memoirs, Total Guilty Pleasures, and then synthesize probing cultural analyses from the text, from Jessica Simpson to historical figures like Helen Keller. Isn't that a delicious mix of high, brow, and low?

It certainly is. Listen to Celebrity Book Club with Stephen and Lily on the I iHeart radio app Apple podcasts or wherever you get your podcasts How you doing Carrie? Is this our is are we gone? Yeah, we're all We're live You're in broadcast to billions of people. Oh Man, we are really scraping the bottom of the barrel with this guest. Ta-show. Ta-show. Ta-show, Ta-show. Welcome to Ta-show, the number 15 podcast in the world,

depending on when you check the charts. How you doing, Eddie? I'm doing good, how are you? Oh, I'm a little nervous because I know what today is. Today is the day that I get feedback from all the people that leave me comments. And the first time we did this, it was overwhelmingly positive.

And I heard the tide has changed. Yeah, it's shifted a bit. Okay. Bring it. All right, here we go. Should have named the pod Toshing Salad. You know what? It's a great idea. The problem is we've already embroidered

1,000 fleece vests with Tosh Show. So it's too late. I think it'd be cool to bring on some memorable guests from Tosh.0, like Fanny. I'd also love to see an interview with your wife. Or now in a perfect world, that would be one interview. I've asked my wife if she would be on the show and she's reluctant to do it because she won't agree to my terms. And that's that I get to ask her any questions I want,

especially about all her alt-right friends and their marriages She's very nervous about that for someone who talks about abortion a lot. It is wild how he has a child. Oh Eddie hit the sirens Dumbest comment ever. Oh Yeah, see the difference is my wife and I Oh, yeah, see the difference is my wife and I wanted to have a child. Now, if my wife, when she was 12 years old, was raped by her uncle and she wanted to get rid of that baby, I would just hope that there were no laws in place that would stop her from doing that. And I wouldn't care if it was from conception, up until crowning anything she wants

to get rid of that inbred demon seed. Do you see the difference? One was us wanting a child, and the other is me wanting her rights to be protected when she was a child. The entertainment business is littered with pedos and Tosh knows that, he knows that. All right, first of all

I don't know my own Twitter login. I don't know my mailing address. What else don't I know? I just discovered I have a tick tock account. So let me assure you of this I know nothing. I said this before and people were like oh Pedophiles, they're not gonna announce that they're pedophiles It's the law the pedophiles, they're not gonna announce that they're pedophiles. It's the law. They're supposed to, they're supposed to knock on your door and say, hey, I'm a pedophile, I live nearby. That was my whole point.

And when I said that, was that I don't know any pedophile, because I don't, like you think in a town where people just gossip constantly, I would hear it once, like, hey, did you hear so and so? I think he's a pet. I've just never heard that and I'm being honest. So when people say that this town is just nothing but pedophiles, I'm like, okay, that's not true, but that's based on my experience. Maybe everyone, uh,

that's a pedophile is really good at keeping a secret. Which I guess, I guess that's probably a strong prerequisite. Did Tosh turn super libtard? I think so. Time to unsub, I guess. You know, my mom, my mom, she thinks that I'm a closet conservative that I only pretend to be liberal for my work. Well, seriously, watch, I'll call her. Let's see if she answers. She probably your call. Please leave a message now. Okay.

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Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. leave a message and I'll get it. Hello. Why won't mom answer her phone? Oh, she doesn't have it right now. She's... Where is she? In Florida.

Well, she's in Washington clothes right now. She's where she let me well, she's in washing clothes right now Let me talk to her. Will you go give her give her the phone, please? Yeah, I forget out of this chair them Hold on I guess she went to get the flag what You guys are so patriotic. Oh, I don't know where she is now.

You guys live in like 300 square feet. Yeah, yeah. Dad got the phone for me. It's cold here. Great. Great. It's cold. Did you have to use spotter? Yeah, she's coming. She's right here. Let me talk to her for one second.

Hold on. Daniel, I want to talk to you. I got- I don't want to talk to me. I don't want to talk to you. Hey. Hey. What's up?

Why weren't you, where's your phone? Oh, I went out to bring the flag and I got a, wait, hey, we're leaving in the morning. All right, listen, you're on speakerphone right now, so don't say anything awful about anybody. Hey, don't you think that I'm a closet, like secretly conservative and I'm only, that I only pretend to be liberal for television

That's in my dreams. I hope that I don't know that that's I believe that okay. Oh, so you so you don't believe that No, no Am I closet conservative? Yeah No, all right. I'll I'll call you later. Love you. Goodbye. Okay, bye. I didn't know.

I thought she actually believed it. Next one up. What's the best place for us poor is to support Tosh, Spotify or YouTube? That's a great question. I'm told you can listen to the show on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcast, or wherever you get your podcast. I've never checked myself. This could be a very elaborate prank being played on me.

A reminder that I don't have to do this show. As a matter of fact, I don't have to do this show. As a matter of fact, I don't want to do this show. The reason I'm doing this show is because I trust that God has a plan. I have a brain tumor. Send me good vibes, Daniel. You know, that's why we do the show. To give a guy, a great guy. I'm guessing He could be a piece of shit, but let's just say for the sake of argument

It's a good guy and he's got a brain tumor So let's just send him good vibes because we don't we don't want anyone to have to go through that no matter what your political Stance it Unless it's different than mine, then you know what? I probably don't care as much, but I'm going to send you good vibes. This podcast is just making me realize how out of touch and LA Daniel Tasha's. Calling me out of touch is not an insult. Yeah, I'm out of touch with your reality. I don't know what a gallon of milk cost. Do you know what it cost

to charter a Hawker 900 from LA to New York? Our lives are different. I've never had a real job as an adult. I didn't get into show biz so I could have a normal life. I can be down to earth, okay, but those two things are different. Being down to earth and out of touch are very different. Do I have to live in Tulsa and manage a hobby lobby for 30 years to be considered normal? Choosing to live in Oklahoma is out of touch in my book. That's why highways were invented so people could drive the fuck out of Oklahoma. If you want to listen to someone who's super in touch, I recommend listening to your roommates podcast.

Something is breaking in the comedy world, where I think some people are starting to see they were the people who the jokes run all along, but think Tosh changed. It's interesting. Can we talk about how fire Tosh's outfits have been? Without the ongoing theme, his fits have all been 10 out of 10. That's really nice. That's really neat. Almost as if we planned that to segue into today's guest. Cause I hate picking out clothes, but I know enough about fashion to hire someone

who lives for it. Now, there might be some sticker shock in this interview when Karen and I talked dollar amounts for clothing, but I want you to know that I got a different TV show to pay for it. And then I award on here first. Enjoy. I'm Nicole Perkins.

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I wanna write it down in my notes app. It's called Celebrity Book Club with Steven and Lily. It's the podcast where we read celebrity memoirs. Total guilty pleasures. And then synthesize probing cultural and social analyses from the text. From Aziz Ansari to Lissy's S-gram. From Jessica Simpson to historical figures

like Helen Keller. Isn't that just a delicious mix of high, brown, and low? But don't take our word for it. A little magazine called The New Yorker called Celebrity Book Club Giddy or Bane Delectable Patter. If the patter isn't delectable, honey, it isn't patter. The New York Times

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Please welcome my stylist for over 15 years, the always stressed out, Carrie. Hi. All right, are you stressed out currently? No, I'm very relaxed. All right, Carrie, you, we've worked together for a long time. You're from Orange County.

Yes. Huh? Yes, I was born there. I was born there and it moved all around and then went back there for high school. I assume your goal was to become a desperate housewife? That's what my, I think my mom would have loved that, but no. Did you grow up rich? I did, then we didn't.

Oh, your dad fucked up? Yeah, I had money, then we didn't. I don your dad fucked up? He had money, then we didn't. I don't, I don't know what happens. What's your dad do for a living? He was in commercial real estate until like the late 80s. And then it kind of all went south. What'd your mom do? She was just a housewife.

What, was she? Yeah, and then she had to go back to work. Where did she go to work? Like she was a receptionist. She was like a receptionist. It's some engineering firm and Irvine for a little while. She had to figure it out. Were you proud of being from Orange County?

Did you think that was a cool growing up? No. You didn't? No. Because I always thought of Orange County as a cool place when I was a kid in Florida, like the OC. You just hear about it. Yes.

You think it's the greatest place on earth. I mean, I don't know. It was kind of cool. I had like a DJ boyfriend. You did? Yeah, I used to go to raves and the whole thing. When I was like that age, I was in the house music. Oh, so we all were. I had my tongue pierced.

Like I went to high school with Heather Sweet who's Dita Von Teese. Who, what's her DJ name? I think it's Dita Von Teese. Is it Teese? Is she popular, a big star or something? Yeah, do you not know who she is? I don't know, I don't think so. Oh, she's, yeah, she's like a huge burles something? Yeah, do you not know who she is? I don't know.

I don't think so. Oh, she's, yeah. She's like a huge burlesque star. A burlesque? Yeah, but she was like, during that time, she was like a very high-end kind of stripper at these raves. It would be like the main one on stage or whatever. Oh, she wasn't a DJ at all.

No, she's not the DJ. I didn't date her. I had a boyfriend that was a DJ. Jesus. Was that a hard story to follow? I mean, I don't date her. I had a boyfriend that was a DJ. He said, Jesus. Was that a hard story to follow? I mean, I don't know. All right, first question that I ask all my guests. Do you believe in ghosts? Yes, absolutely.

It was so stupid. Absolutely. I had an apartment in West Hollywood and I just moved in there and my microwave turned on. No, I don't give a fuck. You don't want to hear the story? No, I don't want to hear the story. Oh, I just proclaimed for them to go away and it was fine.

Anybody that believes in ghosts, that's all I need to know about them. I've never seen one. I do not want to see one. All right, pop quiz, hot shot. What size shoe am I? 12. What's my waist size? 34.

But sometimes. Sometimes you're a 36. But I tell you to still say it's a 34. You do, and then I just have to make them bigger or do some sneaky things. All right, what size head do I have? It's like seven and seven eighths, right? I hate your head so big.

So big. So bad. I hate buying hats for you. I hate it so much. Anytime there's a hat or a jumpsuit, it's like a very stressful head. Oh, because I'm very long from big. So big. So bad. I hate buying a pass for you. I hate it so much. Anytime there's a hat or a jumpsuit, it's like a very stressful thing. Oh, because I'm very long from crotch to throat. Yes, so I have to get you like double, triple extra large

and then take it in. Yeah, that's neat. That's neat that you know how to do all that stuff. Let's start with, how did you become a stylist? I went to USC for fine art. Oh. And I graduated and was like, what am I gonna do with this degree, basically?

And there's like- How much does USC cost back then? I mean, I transferred in there and I was there two and a half years. Because you went to school there and went in the 70s? No, mid 90s. How old are you? 50, I just turned 50.

50 years old. You're close, don't even say anything. Are you kidding me? No. I just turned 50. 50 years old. You're close, don't even say anything. Are you kidding me? No. I'm not even in the ballpark. You're very close. Huh, all right. Yes.

So you're 50 years old. 50, I just turned 50 in May. Wow, five, half a century. Yep. Ooh, that's some baggage. Yeah. All right, so let's go back now. You got into show business as a baggage. All right. So let's go back now. You got into show business as a stylist.

So I needed a job. And I went, where I went to school, there was like film people there. And they started working on a show called Singled Out, which is Shining McCarthy. Oh, I loved it. Singled, I love Singled Out. Right. So they were trying to cast me because I had really short hair. Cast you as what? Like one of the girls on the show.

Just a contestant. Like a contestant. Right, not to be Jenny McCarthy. No, no, no, no. I was almost gonna just reach across this table and strangling you. No, it was like one of the girls, like one of the dating things.

And I really don't like to be on camera at all. I get very nervous. And I said, no, I don't wanna be on the show, but I need a job. So I got hired in the art department. I was a PA in the art department. And then I could make a lot of things. And I think people like took notice of it

because I could sew and like make props and do all these things. And I just started getting hired. All right, what was the first like good job you had as like the head stylist on? I Was a show with Ahmed Zappa was hosting it and I can't remember what it was called. Don't give a shit What about the bachelor? Oh, yeah So I did all these little shows then one of the producers for MTV jumped to ABC and he took me with him

So I was 28 and then I started working on the bachelor. So you were never young I started working on The Bachelor the first time. So you were never young. I mean, that was young. So they went to ABC and they started The Bachelor. So you were on the very beginning of The Bachelor. Very start of it. Seasons one through what? One, two, three.

And then you were fired. Then I was fired because I... What was going on in that show though? A lot of class. A lot of crazy things. A lot of like, I feel like there was a lot of drugs and alcohol and wife swampy and craziness happening. Like there's a- You're talking about like the crew.

Oh yeah. Oh yeah. There was like crazy stuff going on and I wasn't totally, I didn't exactly partake at all. I don't think that was like looked at favorably. So I was- Oh. Yeah, I wasn't playing- I hear what you're saying. Was not playing the game. You're right. You're meat too in that whole crew.

It was so complicated because it wasn't, and nothing was ever said, you know what I mean? It was just like, I was supposed to hire somebody that I was asked to hire. It was one of the executives assistants, and I did. And then I didn't do a good enough job with that. I didn't know I was supposed to fire everybody and just hire this person. So I was then fired.

But from that show, then I did all of the like knockoffs, flavor of love, rock of love. I live New York. I did all those shows. Well, and then you ran into this guy that fired you. You ran into him years later and he apologized. He said I had a problem with cocaine. Yeah, he totally apologized to me. He knew he was like, I'm really sorry and sorry how I treated you.

And that's because he didn't want you to write an article about him. Maybe, maybe. Who are some of the most famous people you've wardrobeed? I've dressed a lot of comedians. I've done a ton of stuff for ABC and Disney. Like I do it, I've been, when I did The Bachelor. Give me fucking people's names. I'm trying to think of people's names

Off the big I think they're all from like the 90s though. I don't care who Paul riser Like a bunch of Disney kids what Disney kid like we did like camp rocks it was like Selena Gomez and What was the other one? I don't know. Her friend, Demi Lovato. Oh, yes. Demi Lovato is my favorite video of all time when people ask her what her favorite dish was in an interview.

And she said, I think I like a mug. And your favorite dish. My favorite dish. I like mugs. That's amazing. And then she tried to play it off like that's not what it was. Oh, I knew that the- I would totally answer something like that. Like I can relate to that.

That's what she was thinking in her head. Maybe she does ceramics. You never know. I did have something funny with David Hasselhoff. We did like- The Hoss. You know that show, the car show everyone likes. It's very big in England and they keep trying to make it here. Yes. What's it called

Top Gear? Top Gear. So this was probably 17 years ago and they did a pilot for Top Gear and David Hasselhoff was one of the hosts. And I put clothes in his room. He's like trailer and then I stepped outside and he's like, don't worry about it. You can just stay in here. I'll get dressed in here. But he wasn't creepy, but I was more like, you saw his hog. I didn't see his hog. He wasn't trying to show me his hog. I think he was just trying to say whatever. Like you don't have to leave.

I get dressed. It's like a normal thing. You've never seen my. No, I've never seen. Never seen it. You've never, it's going on record. Have you ever seen my hog? Never seen your hog.

When I started working with you, you had, you were working with Dr. Phil. I was. And when I, when you see Dr. Phil, you're like, that's who I want to look like. Who's ever dressed in this guy? Let's hire them. Oh, that show.

There's a massive budget they had on that show. More than I have spent on clothes? Yes, I was getting all of his suits custom made in Italy, they were all Zenia. They would like open up the factory in Italy to make them. Like, because they would close down for the summer, especially for him, because I ordered so many suits, they would come back and open it up and make his suits.

Guys, I'm not even a real doctor. Do you like Dr. Phil? Was he nice to you? No, that's fair enough. How long did you work for him? I think five years. I think I dressed him and his wife. You dressed his wife too? Just for the little, she sat in the audience

and just waved. She did, she did. And you put her in those clothes? Crazy. And they were expensive? And they were gorgeous. How much money you were spending on their clothes a year or a season a couple hundred thousand dollars it couple hundred thousand a year on just their clothes

You had a good budget we had a good budget on your show how much should we spend a season maybe 80,000 80,000 a season yeah see that's gonna blow people's mind because the show is, you think of the show as such a cheap show. And it was relative to other shows, but yet I was still spending 80,000 a season on clothes. I mean, if sometimes 100,000, it depends like season to high fashion, we are probably spending maybe 60 alone on your show wardrobe. And that doesn't include like all the web redemptions

and all the costuming and every like weekly, all the things that would happen weekly, that's not even any of that. The fun stuff that we shoot when we say, all the web redemptions and all the costuming and every like weekly, all the things that would happen weekly. That's not even the fun stuff that we shoot when we say, Hey, I need to be a butterfly this afternoon. Yeah. I would get notes at 11am and then I would have to come two hours later, show up and then put the stuff on you.

And then that'd be it. That's why it's stressful. I stress out. I can handle it though, but barely Barely, you barely can handle it. You're always on the verge of crying or quitting. Well, that's true. How much did this sweater cost? That sweater is about 400, I think.

And how many times have I worn it on television? Maybe one time. Oh! Maybe. All right, that's pretty good. We just recycle stuff. Yeah. Did I?

How much stuff did you steal from Dr. Phil and give to me? A couple things. Like, many, you have some shoes and some ties. Most of the ties you wore, literally, for the entire run of the show, was from that show. That was just whenever I wanted to look like an idiot, then. Yes. Not like cool ties.

No, no, no, no. Like, business suit ties. Then I have a pair of like black, colhans and brown ones that I borrowed and just kept at the show. Because I was doing both shows at the same time. Sure. So, and I warmed for like 15 years. You did.

The same dress shoes. It was fine. Anytime I wanted to look like an idiot. Yeah, let's put you in a suit that put those shoes on you. All right. What's the worst thing you ever had to do on my show? Oh, you were in a real bad mood one time. Well, I'm always in a bad mood.

No, it was like real bad. And you were a clown that I didn't have like proper clown shoes. I had like plastic clown shoes. Do you remember this? Oh, you were trying to wedge my feet into where they hurt my feet? Yes, they were like getting cut up and then you were like kicking me

and saying horrible things to me. And I literally ran offset. I don't know if anybody else remembers. And I was like, fuck this. And I walked offset and walked into the office. And then I started crying. You followed me. I followed you?

You dressed as a clown? You did. You came in. You came in and you apologized. You were like, I'm sorry. I had my limit with your feet. Did I squeak my nose and squirt you with my flower? You probably tried to.

That's not even what I thought you were gonna say. There's two times I think, oh, I mean, making you upset on the show, that. That happened a couple of times. But it always had to do with your feet for some reason. Yeah, cause you're not good at putting shoes on people. Well, cause it just takes so long and in fittings, it's like, you're so slow though when you try clothes on.

Like time slows down, you're like putting one leg on and the other leg in the pants and then pulling them up slowly and then talking to other people. I wear a lot of hats when I'm working. Oh! Wait, my brain is going all over the place. This is gonna be manic. How come you still don't know how to tie a tie?

I just got lazy, because one of the writers would always tie it, so I was just one in his office. I would have to- You quit all the other shows then, just to work with me. Pretty much, because it was so, it was nice. It was so much fun. We had so much fun for so long. What about the other shows and just to work with me pretty much because it was so it was nice It was so much fun. We had so much fun for so long. What about the time that you had to?

There was a guy an old guy and his balls It's just kept falling out of the outfit that you put him in forgot about that And we kept telling you to go put his balls back in yeah, and you refused I did he was worried like some black SNM like vinyl outfit He was the sweetest black S&M, like vinyl outfit. He was the sweetest man and literally his balls were like dripping out of his pants. Well, sure. His balls are old. And I just didn't, and I didn't want to have to keep telling him to put him back in there. But you guys were like, go tell him. Go tell him to do that.

It seems like it's definitely in your wheelhouse. The time that we made you eat those The time that we made you eat those sugar-free gummy bears that like give you diarrhea, but you didn't know about it. Yeah. And we were just filming you, eating a bunch of them, and then you went home. Yeah, I went home and like Carly at the time was at the table. Carly who? Carly who's now your wife.

Okay, that seems, that seems, we shouldn't talk about that. Oh, okay. I'm kidding. We'll cut that out. Oh. Okay. I did not marry anyone that worked at my show. Okay. Oh Well, she kept trying to give me like the eyeballs like did not do it. Yeah, she was like She was like like trying to vibe me to not do it and I was just like but I like clear gummy bears And I'm gonna eat these obviously it's probably fine I should have known better at the time.

Then I came home and then it was this awful like empty gurgling feeling. Like your stomach feels big but small and then everyone started text messaging me, checking in on me. And then in the end, were you just at diary all night? I did. I did.

I did. I did. And then we had some doctor come in. This is when I was single and you guys were trying to set me up with everybody Some doctor came in to give us a flu shot. Uh-huh. Do you remember that? Well, we came in every year Yeah

Well, it came in like two days after that and I started talking about that to him like for some reason He was a doctor like and then everyone was like if you're trying to date this guy. You shouldn't talk about that to him He wasn't a real doctor. He was just somebody that would give us like free flu shots Yeah, well, I didn't know back in the heyday when people would just give us free stuff. Whatever happened to that? Nike actually gave you stuff and Adidas forever. And then I think when social media became like a thing, like celebrities were like tagging it and doing all that. And I wouldn't participate in that part of it. Right. So I don't think, yeah.

Bitches. I know. Let's talk about your dating. Oh, no. Mm-hmm. What happened the time you almost married a catfish? Yeah. I know. Let's talk about your dating. Oh, no. What happened the time you almost married a catfish? Oh, man. That was like the last of my horrible dating experiences.

It was a rough 30s for me. You're happily married now, but for the majority of our relationship, you were always just dating people that were just horrible people. Yes. majority of our relationship, you were always just dating people that were just horrible people. Yes, and actually the first time I met you, I was super nervous because you were, it was some skit you were doing with Salvia, do you remember that? Sure. It was like the very first time I met you, and I didn't know anything about you. And you kept talking about how much you like to do Salvia. And I was like, and I had just been dating someone who smoked so much weed that like

it was a problem. And I was like, great. Now I'm going to have to work for this guy who's like on Salvia all the time. That wasn't real. I was just being stupid. I know I knew that later But the first time I met you I was like oh great All right. Well, anyway, that's dumb story, but what I want to hear about is the guy that just yes lied to you about everything Yeah, he Lied to me about where he went to school.

He told me he was a lawyer. He told me he was a professional soccer player. He told me it was in the Olympics. He told me he owned two real van Gogh paintings. And you've just never Googled him. No, at the time I didn't know where to check that out. You can't check that stuff out. What kind of what kind of places do you have his van goes in?

So he had, he lives, no, it's so silly now, but at the time. You were just so desperate to be in love. I mean, maybe, this was what, 12, 13 years ago? So you were 41? I was, no. I was in my late 30s, I met him, but that like changed my life,

because I was like, how did I fall into that? I think I was just like, this guy looks great on paper, and all my friends are married, and everybody's having babies, and like, you know, he seems like exceptional. And I think I was like going down this path of like, this seems like a good partner to other people, to me.

Well, lesson learned. Lesson learned. You're a successful woman, a lot of ventures. You make a pottery with your feet, I'm told. I know. No, they give it with my hands. Are you still making pottery? Are you selling it to the general public?

I am, I am. I mean, I, yeah. I have a dish of yours. You do. In my place in Tahoe. Yes, and It is just every time I look at it. I'm just like this is Horrific, I know that's what you think but it also makes me laugh because you couldn't FedEx couldn't deliver like any other packages For some reason and you got that and I was like secretly thought that was very funny

Speaking of Tahoe one time you came to my house in Tahoe with a guy. Oh no, I did. And all you did was you guys just stayed in a room for the entire time you were there and just were, I guess you were just having sex or sleeping or whatever, but you never came out of your room. I had, they were guests in my home and they were just in my house for like three or four days

and I never saw you. That is nuts. That's a little bit true, but not 100% true. I did. I brought him with me because everybody was like a couple there and I was dating this guy at the time. And I was like, I got a man too. I got a guy that was literally said to him,

do you want to come with me on this trip? And then he said to me, do I need to bring towels? And that should have been like a red flag. You know what I mean? Like I should have known better. And then he put like his clothes in like a trash bag and you like stuck it in my car and like I drove up there in my car

and like I put us at a hotel in the city for a night before we went to Tahoe. Like all these red flags, you know? And then we went to your house and I think I was just at that point so mortified. Like I knew it was just so bad that I didn't want to share this with everybody. So I just like kept him in a room. How many van goes did this guy have this guy didn't have any man goes

Speaking of getting married I Got married and you helped purchase my wife's engagement ring. I did did I spend too much? No, you didn't at all. We went to a couple places Did I spend too much? No, you didn't at all. We went to a couple places. It was cheap. It was good. And then we went to this,

the My Play. We went to the magical place in Beverly Hills. The Hades. No, there was like a secret door and an elevator. We went to this rooftop and I was like, this is where you're behind your ring. And it was amazing. And I picked the stone and I was like, that's the stone.

You've sold jewelry for awhile. You used to sell like high-end dog tags for like your pops. I made them, yeah. You made them. I had a company. And that business failed. I mean, it didn't fail. I did it for five years.

I mean, it was set up so an investor could come in and either invest in it or it would be sold. That's how I set up the business. Speaking of failing with businesses, let's talk about our business that we started. What did we start? We started a toddler clothing line. For boys.

For boys called Boys Wear Pink. Boyswearpink.com. I've done everything for the reason I started this company and I partnered with you. I was like, let's do this company. It'd be a great idea because I hate clothes for my son. They're all stupid. I don't want them to wear a Jeep, a I hate clothes for my son. They're all stupid. I don't want him to wear a shirt with a Jeep on it.

And so boys were pink was the line. We launched it and then I said, I'm gonna do nothing because I'm tired of spending money. How much money do you think I've spent so far? You probably spent about 30 to 40,000. Okay. But honestly, that's not that much. That's nothing to start these companies.

Like nothing. Well, whatever. I still have a ton of t-shirts in my house. And there's also like it somewhere in Monterey Park. There's like boxes of this stuff too. Where? Oh, in Monterey Park. Are we paying for that?

No. Okay, that's good. No, it's just sitting there. Well, let's hopefully be, I just want to sell all the merchandise that? No. Okay, that's good. No, it's just sitting there. Well, let's hopefully be, I just want to sell all the merchandise that we have and then I will consider continuing it and coming out with new stuff. So right now I just need everybody.

Everybody buy these t-shirts. Only if you have a two to five year old boy. That's it, because we only have three sizes. Yeah, listen, I didn't want to start broad. Have you ever stole from me? No, but. Oh, shit. You did.

You're such a liar. You're one, you know how many times I got your, whoever you were dating, they're dry cleaning and they got my clothes? That did happen a couple times. Are you a shopaholic? No. Is being a personal shopper stressful?

Yes. So you do that, you're also a personal shopper. So whenever I have to like buy my family gifts or something that I just tell you, go buy my family gifts. Right. And then you bring me back always just way too much. Like, oh, I'm like, I don't, they're my family.

I don't like them like this. And we scale it back. Yeah. And then we, and everybody's like, you give the best gifts. And it's all because of you. Yes. But I don't enjoy personal shopping as much as- You don't.

No, it's a lot of work. And there's, it's all on my credit card. And it's just a lot of like, lugging stuff to people's houses and setting it up and then putting it back in the car and driving away with it. Like it's, you have to make everything really nice and presentable.

It's very behind the scenes. Like I've been like, I've done it for a couple other people and I'm like literally in the basement like Guzzling Water. You know, like, because you just have to look presentable. Like I'm a stylist and this is all fashion and fun. What do you mean in the basement Guzzling Water? What does that mean? Like I'm so hot and I'm tired

and I'm not gonna do it in front of you. So I like go to another room. So you'm not gonna do it in front of you. So I like go to another room. So you're not gonna drink water in front of me? The fuck are you talking about? Not like a crazy person like you're hot and you're tired. You know? You can't just have a glass of water like a normal human?

I mean, yes. I don't, yeah, like what you're doing is like the most you're pushing tin or you know landing hijacked airplanes. I'm not doing that. I'm not. I'm just lugging a bunch of clothes around that are expensive. Talk about the goat. Oh yes. You work with me on my new show. I did. I did. Do you love this show or no? No. Why? Well, I love it. You were you were a miserable fuck on it. I was very miserable because I was already on a show.

Well, first of all, where were we shooting the show? We were shooting in Atlanta. I was wonderful. But like outside of Atlanta, not like in like the cool part of Atlanta. Like we're next to fucking Ludacris's house. That's pretty cool if you ask me. But I was already on another show. I was already out there. It was like every time I was on Lego Masters. Oh, that's exciting. Okay, all right. Anyway, so you're in Atlanta anyway. Yes, I was already in Atlanta. So you're double dipping.

Yes. You're getting paid twice the money. Yes. While you're already here in Atlanta. It seemed like a dream gig. You would think so, but it was pretty stressful because the other show didn't know I was working on your show. Right, because you were lying. You're not supposed to do that.

I mean, it wasn't like. Yeah, I remember you were hiding, coming in every day, like no one can see me here. I know, and then I knew everyone on the crew. Like literally, I'd worked with them on other shows, so it didn't matter. They all knew I was there. They all knew other people on the show.

I was working on. It didn't matter, because you were in my contract to work on my show, so it's not like they could fire you. No, they couldn't. It was just mostly the other show and it was all it was all taken care of and now the other shows Hired you back again. They have yeah, and you're gonna go back to Atlanta to play with Legos. Well, yes You just don't like Atlanta because you're uncomfortable around a lot of black people. No, it was great Cuz you're from the O's because you're from the OC you're not used to black people. Oh It was great. Cause you're from the OC and you're not used to black people?

Oh. I want you to say what it is. Am I the best boss you've ever had? Talk about what a great boss I was. You were, sometimes you were amazing and then sometimes I was like, how do I get out of this? Don't talk about that part. There was times when I was single

and I was living in that house that you talk about and then you were a beast for a little while. This is before you got married. You like calm down when you like met Carly, honestly, you became so much nicer. But before then there was a couple of years, there was like a two year period, you were not nice. I was probably on a rampage.

You were, that is for sure, You were, I remember all of that. Oh, you're talking about dating and stuff like that? Oh yeah. Oh man. I remember. Are you kidding me? I go through that roll of decks every night when I crawl into bed.

Look at Carly over there. Oh jeez, she's the best. Oh yeah, sometimes I would have you buy gifts for people and I wouldn't tell you who the gifts were for. Well that was in the best. Oh yeah. Sometimes I would have you buy gifts for people. And I wouldn't tell you who the gifts were for. Well, that was in the beginning. That's when you, nobody knew you were dating Carly. And you had me, you were like, I really want to get my niece. My niece? It was like a niece or something weird. Sluddy shoes. Like some very like sexy shoes. Like one of a kind at the time, like Louboutins were very popular.

Sure. And I remember being like, wow, this is so nice that he's buying this for her. like one of a kind at the time, like Louboutins were very popular. Sure. And I remember being like, wow, this is so nice that he's buying this for her. I should give those to my niece right now. I should go into the closet, find those shoes and give them to my niece. And I had to give them to you like in the parking lot from my car to your car, all secret. Listen, you're not supposed to date employees. At least I'm told.

I never understood that. I still don't understand it really. So many people on our show hooked up and got married with other people Of course, we all we live together for I know decade Yeah, I don't know who are you supposed to date if you're not supposed to date some of you meet at work I mean I problem is people called me boss and I never really thought I was the boss I always like the network was the boss, right. I was just the person hosting the show. So I kind of felt like, no,

we're all on the same playing field, but we weren't. No, that was such a fun time on the show. Carly was on it, Sam was on it. Like there was all these fun women on that show. So many, so many powerful women on my show. That's really what made me who I am today, is powerful women. That is not a lie, by the way. No, I agree.

There is like, from your agent, your manager, everybody around you. I know, there's a team of women. I'm so pro, and you know, and now that I have a daughter, I just look at things from a different perspective. Shut up. Oh, I'm just such a girl dad. Whenever I see that, I just wanna fucking punch the guy.

I wanna get a show, make me a cool show that says, that says girl dad, but just for the record, I like my son more. Cause he's way more fun. Why don't you, why don't you have a kid, Carrie? Let's talk about that. It's not too late. It's not too late. It is too late. Are you serious? I think so. Well, you think so, but have a kid, Carrie? Let's talk about that. It's not too late. It's not too late.

It is too late. Are you serious? I think so. Well, you think so, but have you ever, if you went in and had your eggs tested, do you think there'd be like one or two left? Probably. See?

Yeah, I'm not doing that. I don't want to do it. Oh man, wouldn't it be fun to see what that kid turned, what about like these guys like Al Pacino, like 83 having a kid, you're saying you can't spit out one at 50? No, I don't want to. I didn't.

What about adopting a kid? No. But they're about to age out, like so you adopt like a 17 and a half year old. And so basically what you're doing is you're gonna pay for their college and stuff like that. And then maybe you have develop a relationship, maybe you don't, but you pay it forward

and you do it just legally so that they can have a better life or a better chance at life. Why don't, but you pay it forward and you do it just legally so that they can have a better life or a better chance at life. Why don't you do that? No, maybe you can do that. Well, of course I could. I mean, you could do that 20 times over. Just seems like a lot of work.

I tell you what, I'm gonna do that. If somebody just telling me, I wanna pick a good person too. I don't wanna pick a shit person. I probably want a girl, I probably want her to be a minority 17 years old 18 years old and I'll send her to college. I'll do that Can you just send people to college without adopting them?

I'll just start a scholarship fund for somebody, but I thought it'd be cool that I'd be their dad No, I mean why why at that point? Well, it's just to help. That's no, I don't- It's a thing, I know it's a thing. Yeah. All right, so you don't want to have children? No, I don't think I ever did.

Maybe I did in my mid-30s. What are you, are you fixed? No. Is he fixed? No. So what do you guys do? I mean- Are you on birth control?

Yeah. Gross. Yeah. Yeah, my doctor literally was like, so if you really know you don't want to have kids, let's get you on birth control because you're gonna be really pissed off if you made the decision and you got pregnant.

I don't think you should take it. Well, why? I don't know, let's see what happens. No. I'm not gonna try to force you to have a baby. Thank you, thank you, thank you. What if your husband's like, hey, I really want to have a baby. Thank you, thank you, thank you. What if your husband's like, hey, I really want to have a child right now?

Oh, then that may be the end of us. Oh, you're right. I think that's great. I mean, honestly, like I really have no, this doesn't occur to me or anything. I think it's great. I don't think you're cut out to be a mother. Oh, that's not true.

I think in my job as a wardrobe, you're very motherly. If you take care of a lot of people. Well, you're dressing people. You're dressing people. You're dressing people like a child. Yes. For school. Yes.

So like I do have that part of me. I just didn't want it. I don't know. Are your parents mad that you never had children? Yeah. And my mom would start sending me articles. Well at 35, she was like, you better freeze your eggs because you're already old.

Did you freeze them? No. Oh, I've got eggs. I mean- I got fertilizer. You want one? I can give you a kid. I can give you a kid of mine.

I don't want one. I mean, I wish at 21 they could just be like, hear women, freeze your eggs. Because being at 35- You know how many eggs you have at 21? So many. A lot, so many. I mean, there's sometimes I think,

what if I did have a kid at 20, and now I would have- A 40 year old. No, jeez. But I did have a kid at 20 and now I would have- A 40 year old. No, what, geez. But I would have a full on adult, you know? I wouldn't have, like I don't want a baby. I can't even deal with a puppy right now. So if you could go back in time,

would you like get pregnant from one of those dudes at 20? No way. I can't even imagine. Would you? If I could go back and have sex again with all these people. No, you're not going like, no. Would you wanna have a kid with somebody in your 20s?

I was engaged at 21. Oh no. I was. I got engaged at 21. And then luckily we called it off like a couple months before the wedding. You got that close? Maybe my mom went and bought a dress with her

and everything, everything was booked, everything. She let me off the hook. What's the most single expensive article of clothing you've ever purchased for me? There was this cardigan. I can't remember who makes it, they're very fancy. It was on Mr. Porter. It was like, looked like very kind of Like, I don't think we say that.

No, it was like, um, like Native American pattern. It was a Native American pattern. Indigenous. Yeah, sure. And it was, uh, made out of some crazy like cashmere. Do you remember this? You have an in Tahoe. I do. Yes. Yes. And it was like a $3,700 like cardigan. Okay.

And that was, I remember we used it like for 30 seconds on the show and then you took it to Tahoe. There's like a couple things. I think I've taken family photos in it. Yeah, it's amazing. Oh, there was one time there was a Cuccinelli sweater. And I don't know if you remember this. This was like the last season and it was tan

and it was a $4,300 hoodie. I like it. And I said to you, I didn't realize it was this much money. So I'm just gonna tell you, do you want, and we needed it for your outfit. And you're like, fuck that, we're not spending that. So then I found a Vince one for like 300 and like put that instead.

This is why the rest of the country hates Hollywood. Is that we're so out of touch with what everybody would spend for hoodies. Like we think, oh, we've, so we just bought a cheap $300 hoodie. No, it's, I messed up from it. Even my own shopping. I spent, I, when I was working for Dr. Phil and I was shopping for his wife, it was just, I felt normal that it's like $2,500 for a dress. I was like, oh, that's pretty good. And then I had to like knock, like, where am I going that I's like $2,500 for a dress. I was like, oh, that's pretty good. And then I had to like knock, like where am I going

that I need a $2,500 dress, by the way? So it's like most of this stuff is good for like socialites and people on television. Or if you have a job, I always like, like if I was a lawyer, I would love to wear like cool outfits. You're 50 years old. Why are you pretending to be a lawyer? Like any show that they're lawyers, I'm watched The Lincoln Lawyer, Neve Campbell's character.

I'm like, yeah, I'd like to dress like that. Have you ever been nominated and won an award for your wardrobe? I have. For Lizzo's show, actually. Not for me. No. I wish. I wish we did. Not for the shit you put on me. Because we did so much fun stuff. Remember, we had to make Walk About Penises? Do you remember that? Walk- No, I don't-

There were massive, like, penises that we you remember that? Walk, no, I don't. There were massive like penises. Uh huh. That we put on people and their heads came out of them. And you thought you should win an award for that? No, but it was like, we had to make all these crazy costumes so fast. Were they circumcised or uncircumcised?

They were uncircum, no, they were circumcised. Yes. There were six of them. You've been with them on the circumcised? Your husband uncircumcised? He is English. That's good. man that's on circumcised your husband on circumcised he is English that's good all right thanks for being here Kerry thank you for having me Daniel I'll see you tomorrow I'm Nicole Perkins and in my new podcast Godmother, I'm inviting you to 1930s

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a gift. It's on the way. We recorded this earlier. I'm sending her all the pottery that she's made me over the years. With Ms. Always always my dog Carl. Hey, you remember when Twitter was called Twitter and celebrities would only tweet at airlines because they were mad about some minor inconvenience.

I have a tweet that I need to send out. Dear at Alaska Airlines, I was on flight 1282 in seat 26B when a portion of your plane exploded off causing a huge hole to open up next to me. As a result, my favorite child was ripped from my arms. Also, your flight attendant made his gate check his stroller, which doesn't seem fair, but in light of him no longer being on this flight, this is now a moot point. I hate to be that guy, but I would like to know if I will be refunded the $8 I paid to upgrade the Wi-Fi on the flight so I could binge Love Island.

Now that's obviously a joke, Carl. I wasn't on that flight, and I certainly wouldn't be sitting in 26B. But I just get so annoyed at celebrities writing to airlines. This is how every tweet should go to an airline. It should read, flying sucks. Your bathrooms are disgusting. Everything about the airport is dysfunctional and stressful. But thank you for not letting me have the most traumatic death imaginable and for not having to spend eight hours in a car with my family. All right. What do we got this week? Boyswearpink.com. Look at me. I'm not afraid to wear pink. I rock it. The goat premieres on Amazon

sometime in Q2, I'm told. Get specific Amazon. May 4th, I'll be at the Dolby Theater for the Netflix as a Joke Comedy Festival. What else? My son? You wanna hear one of his stories? You don't really care, do you? You've heard him all before. Yeah. See you guys next week.

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