Tower 4 - Season 2 Recap

Episode Date: December 28, 2022

Robert M. Lamb (writer), Jack Austin (voice of Mike), and Gina Coyle (voice of Amber) get together to chat about Season 2! But no spoilers!! Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy for more information. Hosted by Simplecast, an AdsWizz company. See pcm.adswizz.com for information about our collection and use of personal data for advertising.

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And stick around after this episode of Tower 4 for a trailer of this series. Once again, that's HitlerFile.com or search for HitlerFile wherever you listen to podcasts. Thanks. And now for the season two recap of Tower 4. Sevenland Productions presents Tower 4. Season 2 recap. Yeah, shut the door while we're recording. Hey, everybody.

How's it going? Rob's going to get up real quick and shut a door. And then we're going to get back into our Tower for Season 2 recap. How you doing, Rob? Pretty good. How about you, Jack? Doing all right. Oh, wait.

Who's this? Who's our special guest? Gina Coyle. Oh, my favorite. Hi, guys. Oh, so you know. All right. Of course, who plays Ambie.

Yeah, Amb, don't say it like that. I won't ever again. yeah this is the tower four recap episode yep season two recap yep but but i like we already introduced ourselves but you're actually going to do the actual recap yes the written recap which is if you want to say like you already listen to the season and season three is dropping right now right you're like oh but i don't remember much of season two and i don't want to listen to all those episodes even though they're so good i'll just listen to the recap this is it right now so jack's going to take the mic just talk for a while recap every

everything, and then we'll get into discussions. I was told specifically, if I mess up one time, I'm out. Yeah, you're not mic and I'm done. Yeah. Yeah. You can play young Mike. So no pressure. And it's only like four pages long. It's only four pages of what, what is this, 12 or 16 on the font size? 12, but not, uh, and it's not double space. Not double space, single spaced. All right, here we go. Let's get into it. Tower four, season two recap. We began season two. We get a flashback to the moment's just before Mike's mother's passing. He's going through a lot of emotions. He tells her about how he blames her and dad for a lot,

but he still loves her. She's unconscious at the time, but he tells her nonetheless. Mike then has a dream of howling wind, people talking, growling, and a loud roar. Season two has begun. At the end of season one, Mike was beaten, drugged, and dragged underground.

Or was he? It's in all caps. I had to hit it like that. When he awakens the next morning outside, everything seems to be back to normal. as if there was no fight in his tower, although he is still beaten and bruised. He's in a lot of pain and walks around trying to remember what happened the night before. Amber, you, calls to remind him of his drunkenness, but he wants to know what they talked about.

She's upset. He ditched her, but again, his memory is foggy. He didn't realize he did. Later, Amber calls Mike to tell him about a supply drop. Mike finds the timing a little odd. That night, Mike has a nightmare. Not only was he floating above his childhood home, but he also saw a large door flickering lights and heard growling. When Mike awakens at 4 a.m., he notices Amber's light is on.

He tries calling her to no avail. But moments later, her light goes off. Mike gives up and plans to go back to bed until he realizes his nightmare may have been more than just a dream. Was it a memory? That's when he remembers the bunker and Cherry. Mike stays up all night typing away at his computer. he's trying to take notes of everything he remembers cash boxes eye carvings and so on the further back

the easier when amber calls him in the morning he confronts her about being up at four a m why her explanation is simple she was going to the bathroom mike takes the explanation with a grain of salt but then amber questions him about the bird something he mentioned in his drunken night mike also tries to apologize for dishing amber the other day although he doesn't remember why amber's confused by this but She's glad about Mikey, about Mikey deciding to stay. There I go. I'm done. Several days pass, and Mike continues to have weird dreams and nightmares.

Eventually, his foot feels good enough to walk on, and he heads up to the supply drop. When he reaches the field, though, he finds his supplies have been ransacked. Amber, still thinking it's raccoons, says she'll call Jean and put in a double order. Amber then warns of an approaching storm. Mike lies and says he's going back, he's going to head back to the tower. instead heads to site five. He's been dreaming about the area. When he gets there, he can't find the tree with the eye carving, but he does find something of interest. Jerry, it's got an exclamation point. Of course. Sorry, old habits. Mike tries to question Jerry. While he remembers him,

he doesn't remember everything they talked about, but Jerry wants none of it, saying that they took Mike, he runs off. Mike notices standing on banana, oh, sorry, Mike notices he's standing on banana chips, was Jerry the one who broke into his supplies? Page two. Mike gets back to the tower soaking wet. He got caught in the storm. Amber doesn't understand why since he said he was heading back to his. He's sitting,

oh boy, said he was heading back sooner, but keeping Site 5 a secret. Not a secret. Oh, my bad. Mike just claims his hurt ankle. While it storms outside,

Mike and Amber talk about dreams, meaningful coincidences, and Mike's ex-Sara. Mike also brings up Amber's late night at 4 a.m. saying he found it odd because his father left him at 4 a.m. It's the last time he ever saw his father. Later at night, while Mike makes some food, the power goes off. Stardled, he drops a glass, which sparks a memory. And that's when Jerry's words finally means something. Mike was taken by someone but who. Remembering this, Mike is angry and frustrated and actually decides to leave for good. He packs his bags and heads down the trail hours later thinking someone is following he stops he thinks it's jerry

until a mysterious hiker by the name of kyle shows up kyle got lost in the woods and just happened to stumble by mike doesn't believe a word out of his mouth and when kyle's backpack starts beeping mike loses it and attacks eventually mike comes to his senses and the man packs up all his loose articles from the attack and runs off mike tries to keep his composure it turns out the electronic Beeping was just to watch. So why did Mike lose control? He thinks back to his troublesome relationship with Melinda, a time where he tried to keep his composure and deal with a person who constantly lost control. Hours later, while hiking along the trail, Mike hears a radio, even though he left his radio in the tower. Gene and Amber are having a conversation. He finds the radio sitting on a stump

and listens in. Gene knows Mike is leaving, but how? And how did he get his radio there? And how did his radio get there. Mike actually catches Gene lying a few more times to Amber. Mike goes back to the trail and finds a note scribbled in the dirt. Don't leave. How did everyone know he was leaving? And why did Gene lie so much? Mike gets a sudden impulse and starts inspecting his body. It doesn't take long before he finds a weird device. As small as a BB stuck in his arm, was he being tracked? To attest this theory, Mike devises a plan to eavesdrop on Gene and Amber's conversation. He heads back to the tower, tells Amber a lie about Overarch, and leaves the BB. He then hikes all the way back to his previous spot where he heard their conversations the day before. He's able to hear their conversations

and learn that Gene believes he knows where Mike is. Mike is staying in the tower. Amber tells him the opposite after chatting with Mike. Things get tricky as Mike sits in his tent waiting for more conversations between Gene and Amber. It doesn't take long before Mike believes he has the upper hand. With a metallic object sitting on his bed, he doesn't think he can be tracked anymore. After Mike takes a much-needed nap, he talks with Amber who admits she's hurt by their last few chats. She feels Mike is tired of talking to her, but Mike assures her that that's not the case. Two days later, and Mike is searching for Jerry, but Jerry never shows. Mike explores the windwalk trail, all while lying to Amber about spending some time on his writing.

one night while sleeping in the woods Mike wakes up to a far away conversation two men are talking Mike explores to find the men page three I'm gonna do this like old timey radio yeah taking things out of the cave Jerry's cave

the men pack all the Jerry's things on to a tag off okay so let me get back to that old sentence so I don't screw it up completely Mike explores to find the men taking things out of a cave Jerry's cave. The men pack all of Jerry's things on a cart and take off. But before Mike can explore the cave, Jerry pounces. There are cameras set up and Jerry didn't want Mike to be seen. Jerry leads Mike to his side entrance while Mike bombards him with questions. Jerry's upset his things were taken, but not everything. And that's when Jerry reveals a gun. Jerry was upset Mike was thinking of leaving and not helping. So now Mike says he's changed his mind. He follows Jerry as they traverse the woods tracking the cart and men. Mike asked Jerry about, his past but not much is remembered of course they eventually stumble upon a large field but not one

that mike has ever visited eventually they find the cart's tracks disappear near some boulders they believe the cart went underground but they can't find anything to help them no way in and no other tracks mike rests and thinks about the time he caught melinda cheating with the help of his friend ricky he applies the same tactics by sending jerry back to his cave he wants him to be seen on camera. The lure works. The boulders move and the cart drives out from down below. Mike runs for the interest and reaches it just in time. The problem now is he's shrouded in darkness. Mike makes his way into the bunker, which eventually expands into a larger hangar area. On the other side of the large room is a set of steel doors with a number four painted on it. Using

his flashlight, he searches the room, but doesn't find much outside of some old supplies, crates, and carts on cinder blocks and fluorescent lights. A lot of fluorescent. I had to say fluorescent 80 times. And it's not mentioned in the recap. It's not mentioned in the recap, so I feel the need fluorescent lights all over the place. Also, none of the doors work. He made it underground, but it's dark and he's trapped. Mike stays underground for hours trying to find a way either deeper into the bunker or a way out. While exploring, he thinks of his sessions with Dr. Browning, his therapist. It took a while for him to open up to Dr. Browning, but eventually he did, sharing about his mother, his relationships, the feeling of being trapped and not knowing what to do with

his life, et cetera. He thinks back on mini sessions, especially his last one where he shares his new job opportunity, being a fire lookout. And while he knows nothing of the job, both him and his therapist think it would not only be a good opportunity to get away, but also to work on his book. Eventually, the cart and men returned. Steel doors open and Mike watches in awe. he notices more steel doors beyond the current ones but he also notices jerry in the back of the car he seems unconscious but is he what happened to him they caught him but they didn't hurt him he doesn't have much time to dwell as the steel doors start closing so do the boulders above mike tries to make it out but it's too late once again he's trapped hours passed but eventually mike finds he can talk to amber at the top of the entrance ramp he does so until the boulder doors move revealing a night sky He feels tremors deep within the bunker, and his radio starts acting funny. He hears whispers, static, gunshots, and an alarm. The steel doors on the other side of the room open.

Only one man appears in the cart this time, and he's bloody. He quickly drives out of the bunker. What happened? Doesn't matter. Mike grabs his backpack and runs out before being trapped again. He sees the cart tracks in the grass and decides to follow him. While Mike again wants to get out, he's also super curious about what's going on. he wants answers as do all of you listening while he follows the tracks he chats with amber who mentions

the tremors there's also another fire in mike's sector of the forest page four this is last page let's see mike decides to finally come clean and tell amber everything he does except his radio goes crazy and starts playing classical music again did she hear anything of what mike said Mike listens to the music for a while, while until it abruptly stops. Oh my gosh. Let me start that one over. Mike listens to the music for a while until it abruptly stops. Not long before he finds the cart and man, the cart had crashed and the man is stuck

underneath and bleeding out. Mike frees him, then starts asking questions. He gets more questions than answers, though, although he doesn't find some things. He does find out some things. The man's name is Lance. He works underground. What a gig. I'm Lance. I work underground. How are you doing? Bob. Got any boulder doors over at Home Goods? Didn't think so. Anyway, sorry. Okay, he works underground. He mentioned something called Iris, test subjects, and rats. Mike tries to follow, but has a hard time. Amber calls to tell Mike about a helicopter doing another drop later, but Lance says, Lance says this is untrue. Mike wants to ask more questions, but when he starts seeing figures in the,

the field and woods and hearing strange whispers he knows his time is short suddenly a scrawny figure appears and bashes lances face in with a rock splattering his brains all over the nearby ground gross his molars and teeth and tongue i'm just okay that's not written here no so uh suddenly scrawny figure la la la more figures appear mike panics and with bow in hand runs off he runs blindly through the woods but he's being followed more mysterious disfigured things appear. He tries to hold his ground, but the figures attack him. They look like people, but not normal people. Peeper are these the so-called rats? Mike tries to fight to no avail. One of the figures pounces and is about to smash his head with a rock until a helicopter

arrives overhead. This scares them all off. Mike in pain and exhausted passes out and the helicopter flies off. When he awakens, it's storming. He gathers what little things he has left and walks off. eventually Mike calls it sets up camp he falls asleep under his makeshift tent and when he wakens this time it's morning and the storm has passed his radio has been smashed during the attack but he hears the crackle of another one he also sees a strange heavily armed man shoot one of the other figures from the night before the armed man eventually notices Mike and fires at him Mike hides until the man gets too close. Using his last arrow, he fires, but has no impact on the body armor. The mysterious man is about to kill Mike until Jerry comes to the rescue and fires first. The armored man dies, but Jerry's been shot too. Mike asks Jerry where they are.

He tells him site four. They're also not too far from wind walk. Mike is only one idea that can help Jerry. He takes him to see Amber's Tower. He takes him to Amber's Tower, but they don't reach it in time. Jerry passes out in too much pain. Mike runs the rest of the way and finds Amber coming out of her outhouse. He begs her for help. On their way back to Jerry, Amber apologized. They're not looking exactly how she described herself. Mike doesn't care. There's a weird awkwardness between them. Their first meeting is not a pleasant one. When they reach Jerry, it's too late. He's dead. Mike has a complete breakdown and tells Amber everything he's experienced, the bunker, the music, Lance, the attack, everything. The fact that Lance works underground. There's a door all of it. He's not crazy.

But once Mike calms, Amber has some news for him. The person laying on the ground before them is not Jerry. The end. Bam, bum, bravo. Bravo. So,

Gina, did that sound like you just listened to the entire series. Yeah, yeah, it did. I do want to point out, though, I noticed this a lot that,

you know, it was Mike constantly lying. You know, I feel like Amber gets a really bad rap. but he's continuously but Mike lied and Mike lied and Mike lied and Mike lied so I just want to point that out to everybody that's true

Amber I think the moral of your story is Amber's trustworthy just give her and there are so many people out there listening to this they go uh-uh nope I know my husband just came and like gave me like these eyes like mm-hmm he's my favorite commenter when it comes to Tower 4 he's always like that Amber sure is suspicious

I don't trust her I don't trust her. She's annoying. Why is she so annoying? That's another one. Oh, good Lord. No, that's true, though. Mike does lie a lot.

A lot. So, I mean, you know, there's some give and take. Hey, hey, take it easy. I'm just saying. There was never Amber lied. You know, even Jean lied. There's a lot of people lying. You don't know if it's lying yet or not.

That's true. So I just wanted to highlight that. That makes sense. I love it. And we actually, funny. funny thing this this season season two is the first time that gina and i got to record together yeah i wrote that i wrote some notes down just like different things that we can chat about one of the things was i mentioned that uh jena came to visit so rob and i were out bowling with a lot of friends

uh and yeah i forget what the occasion was like seven land people it was like we're all together yeah brian was there amber was there me not that amber Amy was there for a little bit of time but I remember Rob doesn't have a good drinking poker face so he comes to me and goes somebody's going to be here tomorrow and I had seen Steve post

about Florida or something are you guys going on vacation ago is it Gina? He goes it's Gina, did I tell you? I was like no so it was really fun to meet you and Steve and just kind of shoot the shit for a little bit

yeah because before that you just recorded remotely and then sent us your lines yeah yeah so like for years we've i've heard your voices but like i've never met anyone so it's cool and we talked about this a little bit on robert and a friend which is a patron episode but yes what was your first like role that you did for seven lamb do you remember atlas avenue beat i was julian good okay that's it was julian good she was julian good god julian good that's right because we started releasing tower four in 2020 And then that's when, like, yeah, after Julian Good, I'm like, let's see if she wants to be in this.

I'm like, there's only two characters. So it's going to be a lot more lines. But let's see. Lots of fun. I always tell you. My first one was paralyzed. I was a cop at the end of season one that goes, are you okay? And that was your one line.

That was it. Yeah. And ever since then, none of the peasants that I would pass could give me eye contact. Yeah. You always needed a red carpet. Always needed a red carpet. People had to belt rose petals at me. Yeah.

Makes sense. No, that's awesome. Yeah, I mean, so we've been doing this since 2020, Tower 4 at least. Yeah. And it's, it's crazy. Only season two, but we release monthly, which is something people love to complain about. Yeah, that's the funny thing about Tower 4 is either one star or five stars. Yeah, it's very like great.

I love it or it's one star. They only release once a month. Don't even listen. Yeah. Yeah. That's just, okay. Listen, we would love to release faster. Yep.

We would love it. We would literally love that. You know, that's when we make money. It's when we release. Sometimes it's just not doable. We try our hardest. But Gina always records super fast. Gina's, thank you for that.

Yeah. Well, I don't want to even get mad at me. So I'm like, at least I can be like, it's not me. My lines are running. Yeah. I submitted my, before you even gave me the screens. Yeah. I knew what she was going to say this week.

Yeah. All right. So we wanted to do the recap for everybody. So if you're getting ready for season three right now or you are just wanting to have something for Tower 4 between season 2 and 3, this is great. Or are you just catching up and listening to all the recap episodes or some of our wonderful fans have listened to this series quite a few times. Yeah. We are going to do a little bit more discussion about it. And then we have questions from everyone else.

Yeah, from like fans and stuff on Twitter. We made a post on Twitter, Facebook, which, by the way, if you don't follow us at, seven land podcasts. We're on Facebook, Instagram, Twitter, and we even have a Facebook group. So join that because there's always a lot of discussions. Not only for Tower 4, but for all of our podcasts. Yes. If you don't know, we do a ton of different ones,

tons of different genres and everything. So, uh, yeah. I mean, I, I wrote down some like just like little notes. Like mostly, some of it is like writing stuff.

Like for instance, I don't like writing flashbacks, but because Mike is the only character with V.O. right now it's kind of like necessary to break up the everyday life of mike you know cooking food yeah walking along a trail it has been four hours since i've used the outhouse yeah i have to add something yeah more to it so i feel like flashbacks to an extent a lot of them are going to come back later on storywise or they tie into the episode at hand um it's interesting because yeah you have the only voiceover gina you just do uh uh uh like a lines it's all over the radio

and stuff yeah so like i don't know if gina will ever have voiceover maybe amber will at some point yeah once she finally reveals her dark secret uh her the fact that she lies all the time. Yeah, yeah. She's a chronological liar. I don't believe it. I'd be devastated. If it was like, it's all true. Like, you are the worst person. I'd be like, no. I'm really a bigger statement. I was so remorseful. Mike, I hate you. I'm actually working with whatever. There was one, not a complaint, but somebody commented saying that they wish there could just be a Amber and Mike flirting over the radio. Somebody said that. We just miss that for. They're like, I missed the first, like the first three episodes.

I'm like, yeah, but this is a mystery thriller. No, you hang up. You're an hour, a solid hour of that. So what's it like on your side of the point? I saw this squirrel. Did you see it? We're miles away from each other. Stop it.

Oh, man. Yeah, I also, I'm trying to like look through my nose and see. Let's do this too. and say, okay, things we're not going to be releasing on this episode are exact release dates for season three. Spoilers. Yeah. Spoilers, like major. We'll try to give like a little bit of stuff, but we're not going to do major.

And Rob is the Kevin Feigey, so I'll let him leak what he feels like leaking because I will leak the wrong thing. Yeah. About Mike's laser eyes and stuff. There's going to be a female Thor. That's right. That's right. In our show. In our show.

Yes. is the female Thor from FireWy. Yeah, I'm trying to look through here. So like I also did, here's just like a little Easter egg. I put, besides the fuck Barry thing.

Yeah, just like in all of our podcast for some reason. It's just like screw this guy named Barry. Yeah. And that's something that we've put in most of our podcast. Yeah.

Barry, Barry's played by a good friend of ours. Who is actually like the sweetest guy. Yeah. in Atlas Avenue B and then ever since we wrote an episode in Atlas Avenue beat where the main character Locke like just rips into them for no reason really right ever since then it's been kind of like screw this guy so we've put that like little bit of dialogue in end of all hope we put it now in Tower 4 season 2 yeah we put it in a lot of things

and next time Barry is in town we need to do an Atlas Avenue B live stream so people can actually meet who you're telling you go fuck themselves I'm just worried that people like Barry too much yeah they might be mean to them oh boy uh I also wrote down that uh dr. Browning Mike's therapist I named after Todd Browning the director of freaks and Dracula wow and uh in paralyzed another show that we do our horror show there's a Dr. Carpenter and I named him after John Carpenter the horror oh I like John Carpenter yeah so I did uh and there's actually reason why Todd Browning is kind of the director I chose for this one but I won't say exactly because i don't want to spoil stuff so right but that's that was uh that was like a little as

everybody frantically goes to watch the movie yeah yeah one of the characters's name is mike oh strap in oh so yeah i figured we could get into some questions there's a lot of really good ones in here yeah go ahead um whatever do you want to start it right now well we'll do a couple and then if i i think of something while somebody's mentioning i'm gonna i'll talk sure okay so here's the first one it's actually virgina it's from steve coil it says why personality is so annoying because i'm thinking of you that's recorded if you ever play no that is the reverse card that's that's so good okay this is an interesting one and i actually i'm going to let you take this one

first, Gina. It's curious. This is from Jonathan Shipman from Facebook. Curious how much interpretation the voice actors take with their characters and script. There are a ton of small jokes in the dialogue and wondering if that comes from the voice actors or from you, Robert. Okay. Well, when I, when Rob gives me a character, it's usually like he gives me like a couple lines like, this is what I'm thinking of the person. And then like I look things over. I don't delete at all because I'm like, I don't want to miss what you're doing. So I do what you're doing. So I do what you say like literally word for word like if i mess up an article i'm like oh no right oh really nice yeah yeah if it's like it's the it's the and i say oh i'm like oh god i got to fix that like

like i don't want to get in dribbles i will stick to it like religiously and one thing you do also is like you send us like you edit down your your dialogue when you send it to us right yeah yeah i'm surprised no i appreciate that because that's something that like not everybody does It's not that they have to, right? When they sent up, but like I noticed, so I, I'm always like, this is the one that she liked the best. Like, if you took the time to edit mine down from all the full crap that I'm saying in the studio, yeah, it would take as long as editing the actual episode, I would imagine.

Yeah. And it depends. Like, sometimes I'm like trying to figure out like, okay, like this one line could be said in 20 different ways and it would mean something different based on the inflections and the pauses. And so sometimes I go down a black hole and I'm like, I don't know what he means. And then I just kind of, I'm like, he'll tell me, right? Like, if I got it wrong, you'll let me know.

Otherwise, like, I'll go crazy if I, like, overthink it. So, yeah. And a lot of this, this dialogue is hard to play with in terms of being the actor, reading the script. There are some that we've gotten a little bit of freedom to add our own jokes in and our own inflections and stuff like that. But Tower 4 is really not one of those because everything that's said is very purposeful. There's, there's behind it.

So we can't do too much. Now, every once in a while, I'll change the inflection to what it's meant to be. And either Rob will go, do not do that again. Or no, that's perfect. Let's go with that. So, I mean, in terms of actual changing of the dialogue, not for Tower 4, that doesn't really happen.

But yeah, Rob's a funny guy. A lot of times, like, yeah, as long as it doesn't deviate, like, where the story is going or whatever, like, it's not too big of a deal. But, like, there are certain ways that lines have. have to be said. And because it's so dialogue heavy, it is important to get the right inflection and say the thing the right way.

So it matches the other character because there's so much back and forth between Mike and Gina. I will say, though, I do have a problem sometimes that I write a lot of run-on sentences, which Jack loves. I don't know if you ever sent too many to you. I've never noticed. I don't know.

I love long sentences. I just, that's what commas are for, man. Yeah. There are so many times I'll start reading a sentence and I'll think I'm reaching the end of it and I'll realize that it's just going to keep going. And then he takes a deep breath. Come on, man. I'm going to read it again. A lot of these questions that I have guys are very story driven. I would love to read them. Like some of them, why create rat people? What is the monster? Is Amber in on it all? We would love to tell you that. That's going to have to be kind of a. Yeah, but they don't really want to know. I don't think you guys really want to know that. Because then why listen, like it ruins all the fun. Yeah, yeah. I think a lot of people loved

and I'm surprised by this. A lot of people love the ending where she says that's not Jerry. Like they just love that as like the final line. They've gotten emails and messages from it saying like the best ending. That's the greatest one that we've done. And I love that. And there was just one guy. One guy that commented it was like, really?

It's not Jerry. That's what you got. Yeah. I love that line. When I read it, I was like, oh, this is cool. Actually, when I got the last episode, once I realized that they were meeting, because usually what I'll do when I get the script is I like to, I only pay attention to like the scenes on in because I don't want to know anything else that's going on in the world of the story.

But as soon as I realized that we were meeting for the first time, I was like, I want to do this like one take. You know what I mean? Like I wanted my shock. Like, because it's kind of like as a fan too, like because I don't get anything really in advance of anyone else so it's like once i realized i was like oh my god this is the moment they're going to meet so i was like all right let me go right up and record it right away because i wanted my reaction to kind of be natural like i wanted it to match how she would feel i like i like it's

actually like and i don't know if you did this purposefully but uh it's kind of like a little more toned down and kind of like uh kind of trepidation yeah why you're here yeah because i think it's different too like it's like keyboard warriors right like it's one thing to not see the person that you're talking to and you can be whoever you want to be right but once you're face to face with somebody like that mask has to come off a little bit you know what i mean she's apologetic because she kind of did like tell a little bit of a fib of how old she was and all the stuff so so that that to me is great because it kind of mimics real life because you know everybody kind of has their own image of somebody else in their head yeah and i'm sure at some point but it's not like she can't

No, no, no, no. Like actually a man. Right. Didn't think mine being bigger than yours, did you, Mike? Dang it. Gamby? Yeah. Or is it,

Ombre? No, I have a good one from Twitter, from at Taylor Del Reed. What was, so you kind of answered this, so I'm just kind of kind of piggyback off in this. How was it getting prepared and recording the last episode of season two,

especially for Mike? So high energy, such high stakes, great voice acting, yada, yeah, yeah, thank you. So this is one of the biggest things that I've heard about Mike from all the reviews, because I read them and I shouldn't. I don't know why you do. He's so monotone and he's so kind of, you know what I mean? And my justification for that was he's alone in the woods all the time. Yeah.

Emoats a little bit when he's talking to Amber, but when he's in his own head and he's out in the woods, I imagine that's probably not very high energy. nobody emails a lot to themselves so I figured that's what I do for Mike so when this was kind of coming to the culmination and things were really crazy I was I did kind of say that to myself just like you said when you're meeting Amber the first time I thought same thing so I was like oh shit he's meeting Amber yeah and then it was like oh he's actually in a situation where he could die so he's probably not going to be like oh no everyone's surrounding me please come and get so I I will sometimes look at Mike and go okay turn me way way down because I'm going to to go crazy on this one. And that one, just not only for the performance, for the performance sake, I wanted that one to be like, okay, I don't want people to look at Mike and go, he's always so just kind of wimpy and monotone because he always kind of gets his butt kicked all the time. But also I like the last, like the last speech you had, like kind of because she's just going like, Mike. Yeah. By the way, that's not sharing. Right, right. You're just

I'm trying to desperately get my attention. But, you know, he's struggling with so much. Like I said, he's gotten his ass kicked. He's always out there and he's always hurt. He's like, what am I doing out here? And finally he's like, okay, at this point, I'm going to die if I don't put up or shut up. That is a struggle, though, story-wise is, which I think it worked out good for season two, but it's like, why is he still there?

Yeah. That's the thing is how do you keep this character there when so much crazy is happening and now it's kind of at that culmination of he doesn't want to be there anymore yeah but now he met with amber and who knows what she's going to say at this point they're obviously going to have a sit down or or something because uh she just dropped some big news on him and yeah he just had a kind of mental breakdown i mean you do that in one take just like reading through and like i had to i had to just like you said i was like i got to get this out i can't stop and pause because i got to keep that moment i'm going i want it to sound

very very genuine um this is kind of a two-parter question though the question came from facebook again i'm going to get over to instagram after this um what are some of the things you look forward to in season three anything you can reveal i want to start with that question for season two what was the thing that you read or you wrote when you were in season two that you were like oh man that is so good like what was your favorite part season two that comes from Colin Fingier, F-N-G-I-E-R, sorry if I got that wrong. I'll let Gina go first. I was really excited when they met.

Like I said, that really, like, stopped me in my tracks. And I was like, wow, like this is two, you know, two whole seasons building up to this. And I feel like, you know, there was like a teaser of it. Like, what was that, season one when they like almost did? They didn't work out, right? So it was like, you know, I'm like, I like that kind of like trope. So I was really, really excited about that. And I have to be honest, every time I get a new script,

I'm always waiting to play Dashboard Confessional and be like, vindicated. Like, I'm really waiting for my moment. And so I look at all the scripts. I'm like, is this the one? Is this the one where Amber's not in on it? Yeah, it's like, I finally like, oh, it is me. Well, there was one. Oh my gosh.

I forget which episode it was. But I think it might have even been in season one where I was like, oh, my God. Like, I am the bad guy. And I was so upset. So I was like, but then it turned around and I was like, no. And then like, even like the titles. so there you go if you're at home

listening and you're confused so in Amber Amber's very confused how about you I mean it's probably the same thing I knew starting season two it's going to be a struggle of where to go

I feel like a lot of shows always have their sophomore slump because like season one comes out and it's good and people expect so much from the next season and it never lives up to the first season so it's like

and we like slow that's one thing I wrote down which we always mention is we like slow builds in our shows. So there's always like you know there's a lot of slow moving parts and a lot of dialogue and a lot of stuff going on before it culminates into this big. I think it helps too because it puts

people into their head. It lets them create what they think and it lets them kind of build it a little bit. Well and kind of toying with the fact is Amber bad, is she good? Does she know what's going on? Does she not? Is she a big player? Is she a small part? Whatever it is. There's a lot. But I knew that they were going to meet at

the end of season two and i think i told you pretty early on when i was writing that they were going to meet i just didn't know exactly how but but after i wrote the first episode of season two i was like i think she's going to be the one that reveals this isn't jerry yeah so that was the big thing and i was kind of like excited to get and i'm like now how do i get there yeah so i was right into that point i had my favorite moment of season two was um and i remember reading it on the on the script and going, oh shit, let's go was when he was switching back and forth between channels and listening to people. I was like, well played, Mike.

Yeah, the eavesdropping and listening to people. And his commentary in between was like, come on, give me something. Give me something. I just, that was the most intense moment for me other than, of course, the finale's moments. But that part where he was starting to play them both, I remember hearing that and going, this is going to be a good one. And as soon as that one dropped all the comments of like, get a Mike you got this

I love that I will say that some people were like oh maybe Amher's not in on it with that episode like some people thought like oh maybe she doesn't really know what's going on and maybe it's all Jean or you know so I kind of like that aspect of it too yeah there are so many questions

and they're all just so story driven I can't do too much but we appreciate all the for real this was kind of overwhelming all the comments that were and I was like dang man let's let's get some of these. I would love to do something a little bit peaking towards spoilers, but

we'll see. I will say that for next season, which we're not sure when it's dropping. We have a, we have an idea, but I don't want, we don't want to say yeah, it's going to come out at this time because if it doesn't, life has happened a lot this year and a lot of

great things have happened for us that maybe don't translate to your release schedule. But there are more like really amazing things happening, and we're just trying to get this out for you, fast as we can so we apologize for the way but and i wrote down that we had a lot of issues this season besides two hurricanes because we live in florida two hurricanes yeah two hurricanes uh jack had a baby recently uh we've had people who've got covid the flu who couldn't record

somebody who got covid on a cruise yeah a lot of side characters that uh we had a side character who played uh a small character in tower four but we didn't want to recast them and he just got married so we had to wait till he got back from his honeymoon um i moved in with my girlfriend that took a long time and now we're converting my old place into a full studio so that's been taking a lot of time and then we transitioned to bloody disgusting we've had a lot of zoom calls my grandma passed away i mean there's just so many things yeah like just we can't like we release as fast as we can and we and we do and every episode takes now especially with season two every episode of tower four took at least 50 hours yeah yeah to create. So it's a lot. And then we have so many other shows that we do. And yeah. Here's one that's for Gina, but she doesn't know, is Jerry

actually Amber in disguise. That's a fun one. I'm going to go ahead and say no. Here's actually a really good one from Bearded Train Monkey. This is a couple different ones. I think they're all good. Have you ever considered publishing some character and location artwork?

I can answer this one. We aren't artists. Yeah. So the answer is no. We can do stick figures. Do we know the details and stuff like that? Yeah. But we don't have that skill set of drawing and illustrating.

But if you know somebody or you want to do that. Well, we had a fan reach out recently. Literally just two days ago, say they want to do a, they were working on a painting or something. I forget their name. I wish I could give him credit right now. But they wanted to draw Amber. They wanted to draw Mike. They wanted to draw the tower.

And I said, please, the moment you're done with that, send it over. to us we'd love to be awesome um but the funny thing with that was she i i forget who it was but yeah she was she's like i want to draw them but then i realized i listened to the last episode and find out amber's not exactly who she said she was right so now how do i draw them like kind of thing like which way do i mean you could do like amber before and amber after you know like ideal expectations reality yeah 500 days of summer here's another one that i thought was a really good one. Is Mike's book based on the relationship he wished he had with Mel's kid or a relationship he used to have? I guess it's not spoiler-ish. I don't even know if I

should say all this or even if I have said all this. Yeah. The character of Melinda is actually loosely based on a relationship. In reality. I actually have. So there is a situation where it was kind of like I thought that expanding upon it I was like yeah this might be interesting because being a father figure when you're not really the father and you're just brought in and you're dating somebody and but it's going rocky and stuff like that are you really like but you're tied to the kid because you want to be a good like role model and all that kind of stuff I wanted to put that in the show yeah especially for the fact that mike didn't have a father growing up but I mean he did but then he disappeared so it's like I I imagine it

is what he had with this child like he was trying to be a good role model trying to take care of this kid and take care of the mother who obviously was on drugs and alcohol and all this kind of stuff and doing things that she shouldn't have been doing and he just couldn't take it anymore so he had to leave and then he feels guilty because he was like but i miss the kid because i you know i was trying to be there for the kid how much can you be there though before it kind of tears you apart so it's like yeah i mean i think that that's what he experienced and then that's what he's what he's putting into his book but he's expanding upon it kind of like what i did for the show he's doing it for his book where he's making it more you know developed and an actual story to kind of go with yeah an entire novel here's one that we've answered uh a lot in other recaps but it's a good question to ask um what made y'all come up with this storyline it's different and i could have never heard another one like it genius that's from evette surey petty a lot of people ask this question except a lot of people is this after firewatch yeah say is i did not know what fire watch was uh apparently you've heard of it no i played it a long time ago yeah when it came out in 2014 and apparently it's

very loosely based on some some of the things that have happened in this one but it's like people want to know is this after fire watch no no i i wrote down like see and i and i was worried about always saying this because it was kind of spoilerish but now i think i can because of season two finale and everything uh there was a lot of inspirations sometimes i'll play a game and i like the setting uh for instance the stone house i played dear esther which was like this brilliant hebrideen island where this person just washes up and all it is is they just walk around trying to figure out why they're there right so i like the setting of that so i was like oh but i think it'd be better it was like it was a thriller or mystery or whatever it was and here's the other thing too is like

you don't own an idea right just because firewatch takes place and he's a little lookout. That doesn't mean that you can only ever have one cop video game or one cop movie or you know what I mean? We try to make it different. I know it starts out like it probably is like similar and stuff like that. But we try to make it different enough that it's its own thing. In fact, people are like, oh, this is kind of stranger things is. Oh, this is kind of like lost. Right. It's like, yeah, those were all inspirations. They all draw from. Some other inspirations I had is Super 8. If you ever seen the movie Super 8 and Island of Dr. Moreau. That's a big one. I love that. I love that movie. If you haven't seen Islander Dr.

Moreau, go watch that. It's some of Val Kilmer's best work. No, it's not. It's so horrible. But the book is really good. And Marlon Brando's in it as well, right? Yes. Yeah, that one. He's Dr. Moreau. Yeah. But that actually, Island of Dr. Moreau is probably the closest at this point to what Tower 4 could be.

I'm taking a lot of inspiration from that. Not to say it's exactly the same, but it's a big inspiration for what's to come. So, there's a little spoiler yeah um let's see have you ever used an air fryer yet no i'm just kidding that's the uh that's something completely different somebody did say what's with the banana chips yes somebody asked what mike's favorite food is yeah because they said amber's favorite food they said is told in the story so they want to know banana chips yeah mike's is no no no that's uh amber's right so

Mike's. I don't know. Mikes is probably Linguine and Clans. I don't know. I can't say. Have you ever had banana chips? Yeah. I actually do enjoy them. Yeah. Mcentanes. I've been in my life if I had

banana chips. No. Oh, they're really good. Yeah. I think they're pretty good. I like dried fruit in general. Yeah, me too. It's fruit. It's dry and it has more sugar. Here's a good one, though. I like this one from at Wu Porkchop on Twitter creatively. What was the reason you decided not to have Mike go deeper into the bunker? I'll tell you that.

So we're on, I think, episode eight when he gets to the bunker. Right. I needed the season to end at him meeting Amber. Like, I wanted it to be there. My thing with him going into the bunker was I felt that it would have really, really just kind of taken a turn and then it would have been something different. He wouldn't have been able to get to. You don't get there if Mike goes deeper into the bunker.

Yeah. There's also another reason that's more story-ish too that I was like, if I do it now, if he goes down there, it's not going to work out. And it's for story reasons. Right. Because after he meets Amber, he's supposed to go to the Degaba system to find an older Jedi to train. To learn the ways of the course.

go into the bunker no there was there's a reason there's another reason for it too and that that reason i don't really want to say but uh it is um story driven in the fact of the bunker he went into you know a lot of the lights were off he couldn't power anything he couldn't get out of it and there's a reason for that and i felt like him also having his his thinking about his memories of like with um dr browning and and then also wondering what went on down there he saw the lights going on he saw danger and he just said no i'm going to escape this time i'm illiqued for this you know what i mean it's one of those scenarios where if you look at it from you know his set of shoes you may not be willing to dive further into mystery for somebody like jerry well he thought

it would be easier to just talk to this guy who drove out of there who's all bloody i'd rather find him and try to get out of here now because this is not going the way we wanted it to. Instead of going into the bunker and he even has a line that says I could essentially get trapped again. Right. Then what happens if like the guy doesn't come back or nobody else comes back? What if I'm stuck after that? Yeah.

How about at Taco underscore Starfish, Ballot of Wallet guy? When is it coming? Now that is a reference to across America. As a reference to another podcast video. Yeah. that's it is it's not a tower four question but it still is valid um yeah because that character was born at some point at some point or across america rather yeah yeah at some point we'll do an episode for that i do also have written that now that we have transferred some of our

podcast over to a cast to work with bloody disgusting which is something that we recently did over the last couple months that was something that took a lot of time a lot of of of conversations and effort and stuff that took us away from the keyboards. Yeah. That's one of those things that now that it's done. It's done so we're good. But you'll also notice that it doesn't say seven land productions. It says bloody FM.

That's fine. Like that's their company that they're trying to bring some, you know, the umbrella company that they're trying to bring other podcasts on to it. They're going to help us with marketing and blah, blah, we're adding more, you know, ads to hopefully make more in revenue. But the reason why I just want to stress that is we're still,

we still have creative control over it yeah they're just handling the ads and the marketing we're really still like they said just do your show we're not going to step in release it as much as you can yeah you can we're not going to step in we're not going to tell you what you can write what you can that's a hard line that's a hard line for us like a lot of creators have hard lines i won't do this i won't do that um giving up creative control of our stories and being able to take them where they want to go that's ours like we're not going to let somebody step in and say well maybe your character should do this. Yeah.

No. That's what we wanted to make sure we had full control over what we released and how often we released. And make sure it was written in blood. Yeah. We had a pact. They didn't like that part, but we did make them. It was like the ending of it.

We just all cut our hands and held hands. They took the blood off. Awesome. So thank you bloody disgusting for doing blood off with us. Yeah. And then I'm trying to see what else I had. Oh, so another thing that's bloody disgusting is when we talked to them,

One thing that they mentioned was, hey, can you guys do mid-rolls at some point? We told them, we would do mid-rolls. Now, mid-rolls, for those of you who don't know, there's pre-rolls, post-rolls, and mid-rolls. I'm sure it's getting very clear now. Those are commercials in the beginning, middle, and end of the episode. And we have always had a very, no, we're not going to do any commercials in the middle of our shows. Now, that's kind of a double-edged sword because we are going to start, yeah, we make less for not putting them in. but one of the things is we may have to start putting them in but the bright side of that is we're going to be giving you longer episodes yeah so next season now it could be anywhere it could be eight nine ten episodes we're not sure yet but uh we're gonna aim for 45 minutes to an hour uh that's our goal that doesn't mean every episode will be like that's what we're hoping for um that way if we have you know an ad in the middle at least it's like you're getting more content and we won't just like throw it in there it'll be like

you know, in a good spot. It's not going to be like Mike in the middle of a conversation with Amber. It's like, whoa, me undies. Are you some mattress? When you take them off, do you explode with poop and pee? Try these underwear. Damn, boy. I, yeah, yeah, I'm sorry.

You're not a liar. I don't know why I said that all this time. I've never thrown to me ever ever in my life. But yeah, I mean, the other thing that I'll mention is the release schedule, which we've talked about, but I want to say that I don't know if we're going to be able, I don't know what we're going to do. We might take a longer hiatus. There are a lot of metaphorical chips in the air right now.

Well, and that's the thing is we got a lot of stuff going on, but we don't know if we're going to take a longer hiatus and then try to get all the episodes done and then release them either weekly or biweekly or if we're just going to release sooner, like take just a couple months off, then release sooner, but then release monthly like we did before. people seem to hate that so yeah they do but then they also i don't know if you're going to want to wait a whole you know eight months or whatever it is to get all the episodes done too so uh we'll figure it out um we're not sure yet we also have some other stuff in the background business stuff going on that we're uh testing out and things might change but we're still going to

be doing the show so don't worry about that yeah and uh you'll always but the way we do it might be different. Miss, Miss Gina and myself, although if we get to hour long episodes, Mike might start talking like this. And Gina can have some, you know. Maybe I have to like jump in a little bit. Mike was definitely thinking this. Yeah. But I overall, I thought, you know, so you did make that comment earlier. And I, I'm a whole, I wholeheartedly believe in, when you do a sequel to a movie, like coming to America too, I can't watch it. I cannot. I will not. not because coming to America is one of the funniest movies of all time and it's like

an all time favorite of mine. I can't watch a sequel to that because I feel like it's going to ruin it. What's the other one? There's a lot of them. No, but there was like Jurassic Park too. I didn't, wasn't great. Well, Jurassic World 2 was really bad. Whoa.

I haven't even seen it. So there you go. It was bad. But I always want to say that I like I don't want to see the second one. But I feel like this one actually kind of exceeded expectations for me at least. I think it ended on a high note. So even if people were like, oh, this is. moving too slowly or oh i don't know about this part or something like that i think that it ended

enough on a high note i feel personally i felt more stuff was introduced to this season than last season yeah was a complete mystery so everything to you got was new information this season you got to play with a few of the puzzle pieces and kind of like oh okay i'm starting to kind of see where things are going and we're not going to do a lost thing where like nothing's answered or like the numbers in season one are just on the lighthouse at the end. We discussed, everybody would have been dead the whole time.

Before I even signed on to this whole thing. Mike and Amber are in a purgatory. That's it. Yeah. Yep. No, we're not doing. We won't do a lost thing.

Somebody did reference Lost in the questions. Yeah. I've mentioned that like, you know, the mystery and the woods and everything like that. Like that is, there is a lot of like inspiration from Lost. Yeah.

I'm a huge just, I love movies. There's a lot of shows I love and stuff like that. So when I write, A lot of times, I go all the way back. That's why Todd Browning is referenced in this. I love old movies and stuff too. So I go everywhere and I take inspiration from different things.

Some might say I'm like the Tarantino of audio dramas. I would never say that. People have said it. And I don't expect people to say it. The Leonardo DiCaprio of audio dramas I've known around my bathroom is. Yeah, of course. as you hold a bar of soap pretending it's an Oscar

or a shampoo bottle thank you thank you so maha yeah it's heavier than it looks wow it's great nice anyway yeah so I mean there's you know

we got a lot of things in the work and we're definitely have a season three and we possibly even do we know I was about to say so so we've envisioned this kind of

four season yeah it's gonna be shorter it's gonna be shorter than our other stuff but uh that's I think that's like I love tower four but i think that's good yeah because so many times it's like and then and then one more thing well i don't want to go too far for sure i think four seasons would be solid because it's also

tower four right so if we can make it work mike figures out the laser eyes and we're good as long as i don't do a georg or martin thing where i just expand the story too much that i can't and then everything it'll never tie together yeah i just like too much that like season four ends up being like 35 episodes because I just need to get it done and like I can't do it in 10 so I mean hopefully not but that's uh four is what we're aiming for yeah and I think four would be a a good place to stop now if we do spin-offs or something like that who knows but at least for Mike story and this story yeah the uh the two-season flirtathon of Amber and Mike yeah that would be that might be Patreon exclusive yeah there you go even like what in

show is this. What are you guys talking about in there? Banana chips. Please go away. Yeah. So I thought that was a pretty good little recap. I loved the four page monologue I got in the beginning. And I only I only slipped up eight times. I feel. Yeah. About. I know he you guys, some of you can see him in video land. He sat there with a pencil and just checked it off every time. Actually, I got up twice to let your dog came in barging into the door. We have English bulldogs and they don't care about this door being closed. No, they literally. She pushed it open and then I was petting her for a while and then she wanted to go. So I'm trying to be as quiet as possible. Yeah. And not distract you.

No, I appreciate it. We're recording in the same place. Yep. Yeah. Unlike Miss Gina, who maybe one day we'll get her in here for a recap. Yeah, that'd be awesome. Yeah. So that's going to do it for us. Wait, wait, wait. It's not going to do it for us. Hold on. Go ahead. Go ahead. A few times a year. So my in-laws are down there and my two sisters are down there. So I mean. So it is yeah i'll be probably down again around easter like last year and the new yorker and i mean i've got places to say so it's like not expensive to fly anymore down there and it's really easy to make it happen awesome okay now you can do your tell steve and i we're going to go for a hike oh you would love that so thank you so much for tuning into the tower for season two recap number one of three

no i'm kidding yeah thank you so much miss gina for joining us is always having you and thank you for bringing Amber to life for all our folks out there in audio land Robert of course thank you for giving the story you're welcome no I'm glad everybody I'm glad everybody enjoys the greatest to the Tarantino of audio there's a note at the bottom of page four don't forget oh my gosh somehow Tower 4 is like now like getting more downloads than end of all hope and paralyze and stuff so that's crazy it's growing real fast and people really like it so we're going to keep doing it and uh yeah and make sure guys

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