Tower 4 - Season 3 Recap

Episode Date: November 25, 2024

Rob, Jack, and Gina are back together for another recap episode!! After running through the entirety of Season 3, the three discuss character motivations, shifts in POVs, production woes, longer seasons, 7 Lamb cross-overs, and THAT death. It's a fun time!! And if you're not interested in the read-through of the season since it's all still fresh in your mind, feel free to zoom forward to the 20:00 minute mark to get right into the discussion! Enjoy!! :) Hosted by Simplecast, an AdsWizz company. See pcm.adswizz.com for information about our collection and use of personal data for advertising.

Seven Lamb Productions presents Tower Four. Season three recap. Hello everyone and welcome to the Tower 4 Season 3 recap episode. My name is Robert M. Lamb and with me, as always, Jack Austin. Hello, everyone. And Gina Coyle. And you might know them as Jack and Amber. Not Jack.

Mike and Amber. I already messed it up. But I do know you as Jack. Yes, you do. I'm typically Michael in the show. Yes, Mike and Amber, and we're here to do a recap of season three. And as you guys know, because I'm sure you've listened to the other recaps, we do an actual recap for the first 15 to 20 minutes.

We're going to go through the entire season three as kind of a summary. We're going to read through it. If you just finished Tower 4 recently and you've already, you already know everything that's going on. You don't need a refresher. Then you can skip ahead. And also, from this moment on, there's going to be spoilers. so make sure that you have listened to all of season three and seasons one and two

because there will be a ton of spoilers in this recap not only in the summary but as we talk about it later on afterwards so uh yeah I guess you ready Jack I'm going to start it off I'm always ready I'm going to start it off but yeah this is the fun part um all right so tower four season three here we go go go oh god Season three begins with a prologue that follows Dr. Damon Caldway and a man named Miles Easton. Not much is known about these two people except that they are working on a project that may end due to some board members pulling funding due to a leak. Dr. Caldway thinks he may be able to change their minds once he presents his data, but two hours later he finds that Miles was right. Miles takes him out for a drink where he tells him about an outside source that is willing to fund the project.

Dr. Caldway is intrigued and asks what the name of the company is and Mike Miles. says iris the actual first episode of season three cuts back to present day where amber reiterates to mike that the dead man before them is not jerry not jerry is what they decided to refer to him as n j for short amber wants to call the police and mike agrees but asks her to keep his involvement quiet but before amber can call jean mike faints the exhaustion of the last few days catching up to him mike wakes up hours later in a tent that amber erected while he was out She's been waiting by his side the whole time. She doesn't call Gene and report the body until Mike awakens.

She gives Gene only some details. He tells her to go back to her tower and that he'll call the authorities. Mike follows Amber back to her tower but doesn't trust that it's not bugged. So he waits downstairs while she gets some coffee and banana chips. They end up sitting by a fire pit and Mike tells her everything he's been through in excruciating detail, only leaving out a few things basically for himself. Gene eventually calls and says that the police are at the ranger station and they'll be flying out shortly. He tells her that the man is probably someone who got shot by a couple of hog hunters filling her in on a police report file not long ago.

But obviously, Mike doesn't believe it. Mike wants to talk to the police himself and ends up heading back to the body. There, he waits until the helicopter and police show up, except the police don't come from the helicopter. They come from other trails. Also, they aren't police. Mike recognizes one as Kyle and books it. The mysterious men give chase back at the tower. Gene confronts Amber about Mike.

She reluctantly admits Mike was at the tower. That's page one of, uh, there's just 20 pages. No, I'm kidding. It's not 20. But it's a lot. Here we go. Page two, this is when we cut back to the first day again. But instead of following Mike, we follow Amber.

Amber chats with Gene about the new hire and both are wary about another Jerry situation in which he became a little stir crazy. After a full day of hiking, Mike eventually makes it to the tower and has a chat with Amber, after she calls. They do their introductions where Amber keeps notes before Mike eventually goes back to sleep. Amber's introduction was filled with a few fibs here and there just for fun. After their chat, Amber calls Jean and tells them she feels Mike has a better head on his shoulders than Jerry or even Sam, the Tower 4 occupant before Jerry. She then goes to sleep. Days past as we get to see Mike and Amber Bond from Amber's perspective.

at time she takes notes in her journal about the things Mike mentions. One thing definitely piques her interest. He mentions whispers. They continue to talk each day about his writing, about birdwatching, and about keeping stock. Most nights, Amber calls Gene to inform him of the chats and days' events. One night, Amber calls Gene to tell him that Mike heard classical music over the radio, but Gene chalks it up to Mike having an episode.

Amber is concerned, and Gene says he'll run it by the higher ups. Amber is to keep talking to Mike to keep him calm. The next day, Gene has a mission for Mike, and that is to explore Site 5, while he does. Amber contacts Gene and questions the classical music and whether it could be fed to him. She also reports to Gene that Mike found tense, but no people. She also mentions the eye carving. Gene becomes awkward and tells her the secret code for which she's supposed to head to Brighton Rock, a secret spot where she can get signal or cell signal and call Gene by.

phone. The next morning, she heads there and talks to Jean, who has parked off the highway. He informs her that the company has been coming down on him hard recently and that she needs to just do her job. He also mentions the eye carving is a logo for the company. He gets a little jealous. She calls Mike Mikey. They chat a bit more before Jean says, I love you, and Amber returns it with I love you too. Gene and Amber are romantically involved. Things continue to be told through Amber's point of view, she has more chats with Mike, takes more notes, and works on a large puzzle. One day, Gene calls and asks Amber, she likes Mike. She's taken it back and tries to answer, but Gene retracts his question, realizing he shouldn't have asked

it over the radio. When Amber learns of the missing father and son, she informs Mike about Enos Lake. When she loses contact with him, she contacts Gene. Gene tells her the company has people looking into it. He tells her to stay in her tower and not to interact with anyone. But that night, when it storms, Amber runs into a strange man outside her tower. He is injured, so she lets him in. The man wraps his head and talks with Amber a bit. He doesn't say much, but she knows he's a company man. Once he's done with his bandage, he takes off.

The next morning, Amber goes to Brighton Rock to tell Gene about her interaction with the company man. Amber has more questions for Gene, but he tells her she's reading too much into things. When she gets back to the tower, she takes a nap and waits for Mike's return. when she's able to reach Mike again, she finds herself frustrated with the job and throws her notebook across the table. Mike eventually becomes angry with Amber because she doesn't believe him about anything.

She starts feeling bad. Mike ignores her for a while, and at one point she tries talking to Vic, another tower lookout, but he's short with her. She ends up drinking away her sorrows with some vodka she brought and brings it halfway down Wind Walk where she puts it in the cash.

She gets a flashback to the moment she met Jean, where her and her friend are working for a dog rescue back to the present and it's the next night Amber has a hangover and after an annoying chat after an annoying chat with Jean, Amber realizes she may be falling for Mike. Mike eventually reaches out asking Amber for help when it comes to Caches. She mentions the vodka on windwalk and they decide to meet. But on the day of their meeting, Mike doesn't show. Amber is upset and more upset when he calls later that night while drunk. Yeah, I think that's right. They have a little back and forth before Mike says he wants to quit.

When Amber informs Gene about the news, Gene is mad that she brought vodka with her. They argue with Gene calling Mike crazy, which Amber denies. We get a couple more flashbacks with Amber, one which is the night Amber finally left Gene after she caught him cheating again, and another where she runs into Gene years later at a jazz club with her friend Ace. Ace leaves, and Amber and Gene chat about life after their relationship. this is when Gene mentions he's a ranger now back to the present and Amber and Mike have a little chat after his rough night he mentions that he's deciding to stay Amber's glad one night Amber calls Jean to ask him if there was an ulterior motive to Jean asking her to work for him he denies it but she's not sure Jean doesn't want to talk about friendship or relationship stuff over the radio

So we then hardcut to the day Mike and Amber met. Gene grills Amber on what Mike was doing at the tower. And by the way, Mike and Amber met in person. Gene grills Amber on what Mike was doing at the tower and what they talked about. She comes clean about Mike discovering the body. And Gene admits there are some company guys here with the police. Although Gene isn't telling the truth about everything because Amber sees his right eye twitch ever so slightly, which is a tell. At one point, after Jean and Amber go outside her tower to chat,

Jean leaves to talk to the police, in quotations. Amber hears movement in the woods and is unsure if it's Mike. Gene comes back and tells her to pack her things after finding out that Mike attacked some of the men. When she goes back in her tower, she bumps into a meal, who is the man who visited her that one stormy night. He leaves her a clue under her puzzle, which is on the ground. The police trashed her place. On a piece of notepa paper, she finds, don't trust him.

again that's what he wrote down and a phone number she reads this in the outhouse downstairs after lying to jean about having to use the restroom she's to meet jean at the helicopter to leave the woods but on her way to the field mike grabs her he tells her they aren't cops mike believes he can't trust amber so he runs off amber has another flashback of her time with another cheater named trevor the architect uh she remembers the day she left him when we come back to the present Amber hears Jean searching for her. She has a choice. Go with Gene or go with Mike. She chooses Mike. She runs through the woods searching for Mike. At one point, she runs after hearing movement around her. She ends up getting hit over the back of the head with a rock by one of the company

men who was posing as a police officer. The man named Arlo, aware of his mistake, calls another man over the radio about the situation. He's told to take care of her. So he aims his gun at her head and we hear a bang, but she's not dead. But it's Arlo who is shot by Mike. This is when we shift point of view to Mike and find that he had another run in with an Iris employee. He tied the man up, took his gun and questioned him. The man was someone Mike met before. His name is Aaron, formerly known as Kyle. Aaron admits he doesn't know much being a grunt, but tells him of the rats and the creature in the lab below. He knows Iris is funding a project out here, but doesn't know exactly what it is. Now, Mike, do you want to take over? Let's do it. Let's do it. Now, Jack hasn't read any

of this. Page real on page. I don't know. But I think, yeah, we got it. We're on page four. We're like halfway done. This is halfway through the season. But again, Jack hasn't read any of this. And there might be grammatical errors and spelling errors. So good luck. When Mike hears Arlo over the radio, that's when he goes searching for Amber. He kills Arlo and Amber and Mike leave together. They find Aaron is escaped and head off, making their way to the highway. Amber admits her relationship with Jean. She also tells Mike more of her past. They bond a bit, but they bond a bit until they can't walk anymore. They sleep on the edge of a cliff, but when Mike awakens from a nightmare, Amber is gone. But she returns shortly after a few calls from Mike.

She mentions her backpack was taken, not from an animal, but from the rats. She heard whispers, so they hightail it out of there. The whole next day is spent walking and talking. They stay off trail to remain hidden. They chat about travel, about where they should head after they leave the woods. They talk about Jean lying, the rats, and about her job out here. She was told by Jean that she was just supposed to talk to the people in Tower 4 to keep them comfortable and to take notes. She saw it as being therapeutic, but she really didn't know why she was doing it. At one point, a helicopter flies overhead warning people of a fire. Mike and Amber debate whether it's a real alert or just a way to flush them out. Once the helicopter

after leaves, they continue their track. They talk more about Brighton Rock, about a meal, the man who visited Amber in her tower, and about each year Amber was a lookout. Mike was worried because Aaron told him, the tower for occupants were chosen. Hours pass, and Amber and Mike continue to chat and bond, and eventually Mike realizes that Amber likes him. Things get awkward momentarily, eventually they see smoke, but no longer after they reach a creek, which isn't far from the highway. Ah, okay. Sorry. Eventually they see smoke, but not long after they reach a creek

which isn't far from the highway. They get excited until someone appears. Startled, they jump up, but realize it's a hiker and his girlfriend who comes out from the woods. And while Amber and Mike aren't sure if they should trust the couple named Leroy and Carey, they decide to travel with them

since they have a car waiting at the trailhead. Mike and Amber pretend to be a hiking couple themselves. Things seem to be going okay until Mike makes a few mistakes in his story and accidentally flashes his gun. Carrie informs Leroy of the gun and a fight ensues. Carrie uses bear spray on Mike, but Amber and Mike force Leroy and Carrie to go with them. They feel bad, but they need their car. Once they reach the highway, they all hop into the car and head south. They don't make it far before they

hit a roadblock with SUVs. Leroy is shot and Carrie is forced to drive the car. A chase ensues with Mike and Amber shooting at the SUVs until they all crash. Mike is knocked out and has another dream of the hallway with flickering lights and creature. Sorry. Flickering fluorescent lights.

Inside joke. My favorite. Mike is knocked out and has another dream of the hallway with flickering fluorescent lights and creature. Sorry. Woo. It's a lot. Wrong pipe. Yeah. When Mike awakens, he finds Carrie and Lee

are dead and Amber unconscious. He also hears a man from the SUV approaching. Let me get some of that. You want me to take over? Once at a safe distance, Amber expresses her disproval of shooting the men, but Mike feels it was necessary. Yeah, I'm going to pass this to you and get some water. Sorry.

Nope. All right. And then we have, let's see, let's see. Now I don't even, oh, here we go. They rush off back into the woods. Amber has, that's where, uh, sorry, where did we leave off? Once at a safe distance, Amber expresses her disapproval of shooting the men, but Mike feels it was a necessity. They rush off back into the woods.

Amber has a sprained ankle, making walking tough. They don't get far and eventually sleep on the edge of the cliff. In the morning, they find flyers floating around that warn of the fires. I think I said fires twice, but flyers warning about the fires. They decide to head north to Yellowstone to make it somewhere public and actually walk along windwalk for faster and easier travel. At one point, Amber mentions Brighton Rock. She wants to get her bearings, but she also wants to talk to Jean. Mike eventually agrees, but says he won't take his help.

Once they reach the rock, they see fires to the east and west and south of them. They only have one option now. Amber calls Jean. He tells her she has to get out of the woods. They are going to burn it all. Jean was kicked out of the Ranger Station, but plans to fly back in with Haley to site three. He tells Amber to meet him there. he tells her to trust him. Mike doesn't, Mike doesn't trust him and says he won't go to Site 3.

Before they leave the rock, Amber calls the police, but doesn't get any help, and she calls him a mysterious number and reaches a man named Miles. Miles claims the forest is extremely dangerous and that she needs to escape, but he tells her not to trust Mike. She dismisses his worry and tells Mike that she's staying with him. They leave after destroying her phone. We then cut to the lab where Miles talks to a different doctor, Dr. Spencer, not Dr. Called Away from the beginning. He seems to be in charge and asks what was said. Miles fills him in and tells him that he thinks Amber will rendezvous with Jean. Two hours later and Amber and Mike are on the Shoshone Trail heading north. Amber talks more about her past. This time her family. Mike shares some family pass too.

At night they reach a field where they spot some rats running from a helicopter and man hanging out of the helicopter shoots at the rats hitting all four. He drops a small device on a parachute and the helicopter takes off. Mike and Amber investigate and figure the small device for a tracker. But Before they leave, they're attacked by a milky-eyed rat. It's the same rat that almost bashed Mike's head in several nights ago after Lance was killed. And right before the rat plans to kill Mike again, Amber shouts Mike's name, causing the rat to stop. The rat sees the picture of NJ and the red-headed girl and stops his attack. He seems to recognize Mike by name.

He warns Mike and Amber to run, kisses the other rat woman who was killed and takes off into the woods. All right. Passing it back to her. Yeah, no. I'm kidding. We didn't send it to Gina. The tracking device is beeping crazily now, and Mike and Amber book it to the woodline. They hide as a cart arrives with two men.

Aaron and another guy named Barry. They're gathering the devices and bodies. But before Mike and Amber head out, Mike gets an idea to steal the cart. He sneaks up to it and uses the yellow key card. He still has to start it up. Aaron spots him and jumps on the cart. They fight while driving around the field. At one point, Aaron Ames is gun, about to shoot Mike when Amber hits him in the arm,

causing him to fall from the cart. Mike picks her up on the trail, and they head off. They head along Shoshone a while until they see there is a fire north of them as well. They're about to be trapped. They divert off the road and steer through the smoke, fleeing animals and other debris. Suddenly, a helicopter swoops in and gives chase. They race up an incline, but when Mike sees their running out, at a room they plan to jump but amber gets shot and loses her grip mike jumps off the cart and

hits a tree but before he's knocked completely unconscious he sees amber fall over the cliff with the cart into the flames below we cut to the lab where miles and dr spencer talk about what to do with mike they decide to keep him alive but dr spencer warns miles that things could had better not get out of hand when mike awakens he finds himself covered in bandages Miles chats with him and tries to get him to sit in a wheelchair and come with him. Mike refuses stabbing Miles in the hand with a pen and fleeing. He gets cornered in a small conference room and holds Barry hostage. Gene is in the lab as well.

Mike demands to be let out, but when Dr. Spencer appears with different plans, things get dark. Mike finds out Amber is dead and that Iris will kill his ex-girlfriend's son if Mike doesn't comply, so he gives in to an injection. Miles wheels him to a different room where Mike you finally get. gets to see the creature before being injected with a substance, where he's told he'll forget the tower and Amber. He drifts off, but not before Miles gives him a new backstory to cover for the months he was at the tower. He's also told that he has an independent, an important meeting on a specific day months from now. Mike wakes up in his new home in Ketchikan, Alaska. He's working as a

dock worker and going about his life dating and writing. The day that he's supposed to have his meeting, that he shows up at Benny's pub in Mountain Point. There he goes inside and meets a Jerry Campbell who seems to already know Mike. Mike's confused and asks what it is all about. Jerry wants to talk to Mike about everything he has forgotten

the end. Nice. The end. That's it. That's season three in a nutshell. Yep. That's all. All right. Thanks for joining guys. Yeah, yeah. See you later. Gene's like, thanks for keeping me on this

all for that. Yeah, for sure. Yep, yep. Um, so yeah, that is, uh, season three. Season three was the longest season we've done. Not only were the episodes like 40 to 60 minutes long, most of them, uh, but it was also 11 episodes. Uh, not something that we originally planned, but just kind of happened. In fact, it was only going to be 10 episodes, but when the finale ended up being like over 200 pages, I was like, we need to split this up a little bit. more so that's what we did um so gina did uh what did you think about the amber perspective for like four episodes i mean i enjoyed it um i know it's kind of uh not everybody did and that's okay but i think it was i think it was good to just learn more about amber you know i always believed in

amber so it was nice to have an opportunity to plead my case you know so yeah I mean I liked it and I thought he had like nice little like nuggets of knowledge dropped in each episode so like I don't think they were wasted episodes like I think so a lot of people considered them like filler and I'm like okay but like there's also a lot of new information I thought so you know like between her and Jean and like I thought there was a lot revealed in those yeah I completely agree I thought that this was one of those things that throughout the rest of the seasons,

that's what everybody's continued to say is, well, I don't know if I trust Amber. I don't trust Amber. I don't know if I like Amber. And then you got to see from Amber's perspective for several episodes, so you got to get a little bit more insight into her as a person,

her motives, and what was really going on. So it helped you connect a lot of things because after that, it was on a nonstop. You know what I mean? Yeah. Adrenaline from there. Yep.

And I feel like without those episodes, I don't think the nonstop adrenaline ones would have had the same impact, you know, if you didn't have any kind of real connection or knowledge of who Amber was. Yeah, because people only had a connection to really Mike and then they were always skeptical of Amber. I felt like giving Amber a little bit more and then almost kind of turning it into a Mike and Amber story for a little while. I thought was kind of cool. And I think most people seem to like that. they it seemed like even a lot of people were like they wanted to get see mike and ambi escape

like that was the whole thing like i hope they escape together and they get out together and stuff and yeah maybe there's still that aspect of can you trust uh amber like you know but i think it's funny because when i first started writing i was only going to do episode two as the amber uh kind of like prequel and get her side of view and it was just going to be called a different point of view and that was just going to be one episode and then cut back to mike and then for whatever reason i was like no i think i need more time to like really establish everything and it was kind of fun like doing like that's why i had her work on a puzzle because i like the idea of it was kind of like a puzzle to kind of figure out why she would say certain things at certain points with

mike when she would talk to jean how it all fit together and uh it wasn't easy to write so it's not like some we got like one complaint that was like oh it's just lazy writing i'm like it those episodes were sometimes harder than the later episodes yeah because i feel like you had to go back to like the first maybe the second season too and really make sure that what you were doing in this season makes up with what was there you know what i mean like i feel like that's a lot of work yeah it wasn't easy and it was it wasn't easy like why would she say this to mike at this point if like this just happened or like if she just talked to jean what would she really would she really said that to mike and trying to figure out like when she talked to jean when she met that guy uh who showed up at her

tower when and like things did kind of fall into place nicely which was good but it was still like it wasn't easy and then even editing it going back and finding all your old recordings and then yeah well then finding them like when she's talking to mike and then turning everybody all the mic lines over the radio and then uh having amber do so like what's she doing she working on her puzzle right now is she like you know outside is she working out is she eating dance fighting is she eating banana chips that people love to hear yeah i know i'm in the camp of i'm in the camp of i don't want to hear that i know you hate it and i it just doesn't bother me i just don't care it doesn't bother me either i like i mean i guess if somebody's like really like wet and like

eating in my ear or something it would bother me me, but I don't know, just crunching down on banana chips and never bothered me. And you actually recorded a lot of your lines actually, I think in maybe season one, it wasn't banana chips, but it was something. It was like a chip or something. Yeah. Yeah. And season one, it wasn't. But for season three, I was definitely eating banana chips bothers right. So those, I was like, yeah. So the authentic, you know, full method. The actual crunch. Do you like banana chips or? I do, actually. Yeah, I find them enjoyable. I know. That's one thing that we need to figure out.

I've never had them. Yeah, I've never had them. No? Nope. Oh, you gotta have them. They're actually really good. It's just funny how many people love them now. There's a lot of people who really, yeah, who really do like them some banana chips.

That's one of the most common things we see in, like, the Facebook group, Facebook group is, oh, man, I got myself some banana chips because I've been listening to Tower 4. Yeah. And it's so funny to me how they took off. Like, that's one of those things that, like, you could never plan writing this, you know? But, like, people just lacked on to different things. and like I like how you really like spoke directly to that this season in multiple episodes where you're like talking directly to the audience it's it's even in that like uh kind of like um montage at the end like where she

mentioned banana chips I'm going to throw that in there too just for fun I just got to say the montage was easily one of my favorite things I love of the whole season oh my God it was so good it was so good and I just I remember all the people going Did you ever guys hear the montage at the end? That got me amped up. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. Some people said. Well, you were amped up because I remember you just pulling me into that studio back

there and going, hey, I don't really listen to this real quick. And I didn't know. Yeah, and I heard it. And I was just like, oh my gosh. Yeah, let's go with it. And it wasn't easy. I was trying to find like stuff that was kind of important that they said, but also get like from all three seasons.

For whatever reason it was when I was writing the finale, which I was doing, when I took the cabin trip back in April, I was like working on the finale and like a couple episodes before it. And once I was got to the end of the finale, I'm like, I need something else to kind of like get people amped up. And I that that band like their song is on art list.io, which is we download songs from there and use it in the show. And we used one of their songs for the prologue. and I was like let's see what else they have and then I found that song and I'm like I don't know for some reason

this song just fits and I was like all right yeah I was like this is good so I just left it so I like that we have one of their songs in the prolog and then a different song in the finale so I think they only have three songs on art list so we only got one more yeah it was either a better zombie

yeah we were going to get the cranberries yeah they would have been down with it we also had the biggest cast Tower 4 has had in this season. Especially the finale had a ton of characters. Yeah. And Barry, a nice little fuck Barry in there. So the finale, I mean, we'll talk more about like the other episodes too.

But I know in the finale, I think there's like 20 something characters just because there's a lot of like characters he's working with like on the dot like it was a lot of can and stuff. And that was one thing where like try not to spoil things. But it's like there's way more people in this episode guys. And the episode was an hour and 20 minutes. and a lot of action. It was a ton. Finding cart sounds.

Finding a cart, like Mike driving on a cart, zooming over hills and stuff, while fighting Aaron, man, finding the right cart sounds that made it sound like it was going fast. But one of the best parts, and I wish that Gina and I could do this. This would be great,

but I got to record Aaron. Oh, with Aaron, yeah. Nick Keeney. So he was here and I got to record opposite of him. Oh, cool. Well, like, I did my lines like baby fresh and then he came in like the next day. And so it was me recording him and we got to kind of go back and forth. So he told me before we started, he's like, really bring it, man.

He's like, I really want you to. You guys did so good though. Like that whole episode was so like I was blown away when it was done. That's why I had to like, I think I sent you an email or something. I was like, you did. Bravo. I was like, that was so good. Yeah.

I had to listen to it twice. I, like, listened to it the first time I was like, I got to listen to this good. So good. Your email was, like, was a big mix of emotions. I loved it. I loved it. I, it's funny, too, but we. After I recorded, I think after I recorded.

Yeah. After you recorded, you read through the script, didn't you? Yep. You read, you kind of, you peep through. Oh, okay. So when after I recorded, it's like, I didn't realize like, okay, spoilers, wherever. I didn't realize I was dead, right? So, like, as I'm recording, I was like, oh, I'm going to show back off.

And I did it, like, I didn't. I wanted to do it fresh. So, like, I didn't look at the script at all. I just went in the booth and I saw it for the first time as I was ford. I liked to do that so it's authentic. Right. So, like, when I went over the edge and all, like, I was just like, okay, I'm going to show up later in the episode. So, like, I didn't think anything of it.

And then I was like, wait a minute. My name's not highlighted anywhere. And then I go and then I saw where it's like Amber's dead. I was like, oh, man. So, but, like, with no context. So I was like, oh, damn, it's over. I just like when I text to you guys, like, well, it's fun. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

People were very upset. Jose Carabayo, who helped edit. He did a couple episodes, helped edit a couple episodes, but he just did the voices for this, the finale. I remember, like, when he was going through it at one point, he was just like, I, he's like, these are some bold choices you're making. He's like, not only do you kill off. Amber but you kill her off

like a half an hour into the episode he's like there's still 50 minutes left I'm like yeah I know we're gonna see how this plays out how plays yeah yeah I mean yeah so is yeah it I felt like I needed like you like remember when walking dead was good

yeah yeah yeah remember when walking dead was good I agree I agree but yeah you needed that talking dead after to like process it collectively with a group of people and I felt like after this like that's what I needed but like I had nobody to talk to because like nobody around me knows it except for Steve and I don't want to spoil anything so I was just like okay I'm just just getting sitting these feelings for a while right but again I didn't know he was a good

was he was he was a good sport was it were there times where you were sitting around the house and he was like are you okay so I was actually really lucky he wasn't home when I recorded it nice so I was able to just like holy shit like I was like that really happened I was like then I was analyzing I was like well it really was good I mean you had the whole moment where she was like I don't regret anything so yeah that kind of closed it off well like you know her mental state you know like she would have done it all again yeah yeah yeah there was uh I knew so there's two things when I was writing I knew that the the Amber episodes um being like being from her perspective and kind of going back and seeing from

like her side throughout the first couple seasons just kind of shorined up in a few episodes i knew those were going to be super divisive and i remember telling jack when we were recording because you came in to record and i think you only had like a like some lines of dialogue that were like new conversations between you and amber that i like put in there um but i was like yeah these are like more amber centric i'm like these are going to be super divisive very much i just kind of felt that i knew that i was kind of like well this is the easiest it's ever been to record just dialogue you just had dialogue no voiceover yeah and I was like oh my gosh it was like I'm done yeah and then you know we get to the finale and it's like you know

oh then the 804 pages true yeah I was there was a lot of you yeah I remember Amber not Amber Amber but our Amber being like have you seen this thing yeah script is huge yeah because she recorded with you right like yeah so it was a lot and I knew that the finale would be or I I I least felt that the finale would be kind of divisive, but it actually wasn't as divisive as I thought it would, like, later on when it came out, people seemed to really like the finale. And then not only that, we got complaints about the Ambercentric episodes, like people, as it was lazy riding or whatever. Well, not a lot.

That's not fair to say. Yeah, it wasn't as much as I thought it would be. Right. It still seemed like people enjoyed it. We got enough for it to be noticeable. And I always felt the only episode that really had a lot of, like, the same dialogue from earlier on was the first episode with Amber, which was episode. two of this season where it was kind of just, you know, her introducing herself to

Mike again. We got a lot of that same dialogue. But you still had conversations with Gene. You still got some like new stuff. And then ending on a cliffhanger I thought was kind of good where she reveals like, I love you too, Gene. And everyone was like, wait, are they dating? Are they a brother and sister? What is that? Are they brother and sister? I mean, I was like, all right. So, you know, I felt like that was enough to keep people listening and there's a little bit of that throughout and yeah and i always try to find the balance of what's progressing the story but i like a slow build you getting enough character development but also like i just like being in the world i just like being in that like i'm not

i'm not rushing to the next plot point like i want to get to know the characters more i like the little like conversations between her and the guy she meets that's like a company man that's not saying much that like shows up at her tower i like that it was like stormy out and it was like kind of creepy um i like those kind of like quieter moments and uh i like those in the early seasons of tower four with mike it's one of the reasons that people really resonate with the characters that's why i think people like mike so much and people like amber so much is just the fact that there's a lot to get to know of them. And they're real people, right?

It's not like, you know. It's not where it's unbelievable. And sometimes, you know, you get those characters that have these abilities or they don't have any sort of training in there all of a sudden Superman. They know exactly what they're, you know what I mean? They know how to handle the situation. And I think that while there's a space for it and it's cool,

I like the more grounded characters who you can relate to. because you're like, I probably would do this. And then they do that thing. You know what I mean? But even like Mike losing is cool, like in shooting those guys, like after the car crash and stuff. I think you wrote that for me. Well, I wrote that just because I'm like, when's he going to call it enough?

Yeah. You know what I mean? I would think that after a car chaste. He has. A normal person would break at some point. And he thought Amber almost died. Like, you know what I mean? Like it's one of those things where I just feel like that's the moment.

And I don't think you get that moment if that was episode three, right? the whole series you know what I mean and at some point you're right at some point you're like I've had enough of this these people have been trying to kill me enough at what point do I start taking pieces off the board yeah yeah right and I I kind of like that I again we just like our or at least I do I like slow builds and I like that kind of stuff so I know that when people are like I just want to know how it ends it's like well I'm more excited about the journey and I know people want an ending I get that but like when it's ending when it ends it ends it ends It's like there is no more.

And I've seen a lot of shows where I don't like the ending and I like the journey way more that I kind of I just want people to like Lost, Game of Thrones. There's just a lot. I mean, even Walking Dead after a while kind of just lost its momentum. Well, it's one of those things where, you know, people are like, they've said this about not just Tower 4,

but other shows like, I hope this goes on forever. And I'm like, well, not forever. We don't want that. No. We also want this. to have a satisfying ending. And I'd like for it to, you know, I mean, we talked about this a couple of times before,

how long is Tower 4 go, right? How many more seasons can we expect? And I think before this season started, we realistically were like, okay, maybe one more after this. Yeah. So we don't expect this one to go on for seven, eight, nine seasons.

No. Who knows what's gonna happen? Because I know this guy and he likes to say, yeah, yeah, yeah, one more season. And he'll be, he'll be about a third of the way through I think I think we just need one more to wrap it all up season after this and don't worry

this is only going to be eight episodes but the finale is going to be four hours now have an intermission every season I mean I did that with Atlas Avenue B I remember like Atlas Avenue B every season was like 12 episodes and then like season three comes along

I'm like all right it's 15 episodes and the finale is almost two hours yeah and I was I was worried about this season's finale for sure it would have been open two hours if we didn't split episodes episodes 10 and 11 were the same episode at one point right so like him fighting the rat him see like them seeing that's a movie that's a movie that's yeah it would have been so much i'm like with the with the cart chase and all the ending stuff and all the cast i'm like

let's split this up let's split this up a little more yeah and i think that worked out well but but we sent we sent the the episode to the brain trust the people that we like to let kind of preview it beforehand and my wife being one of them and her her just coming to me and be like this is one of the best ones you guys have ever done yeah despite her loving Amber so much and you know the whole yeah of course but it's just like she was just like what it what is happen well obviously she's partial to Mike right of course but but still my husband who just finds him Denver yeah that's right that's right he doesn't trust her but you know I got to say it makes me excited for

the next season of it but not too excited well that's the thing is also season four like we've been doing an hour long episodes and it seems like people liked them yeah I mean Tower 4 blew up this year I mean it kind of really picked up momentum in season

two but when we started releasing season three especially a year ago a year ago yeah a year ago that's an important detail a year ago but it just exploded we got a lot

more people that joined Patreon because we released the episodes earlier on there and we're like yeah like okay this is it's starting to get like super popular then we started charting like on all the stuff which is awesome which we were charting before but we were but not number one on Spotify oh for sure

because I felt like it got big this season but I like I don't know what numbers I don't know what any of this stuff means I was like it feels bigger now like it feels bigger than it was well that's what's like mind blowing to me is the fact that I told Jack this is going to be probably a divisive season at least the first half and then to see us chart like be number one i'm like maybe okay maybe not like

i mean obviously we still had people who complained but it wasn't as much and it seems like people still genuinely liked it and i think it is just most of it is just like the characters yeah i think they just they like the characters they they bond with the characters and for sure you don't have to like everything the characters do but you can you know appreciate aspects of them. And then, yeah, same with the finale. It seems like most people like the finale. Again, that's like kind of what we do.

We always do like a big epic finale. It's always a pain to edit. Can't imagine what the series finale is going to be. That's going to be probably a two-hour movie. So when Mike re-enters the atmosphere. Just laser gun battles. Yeah. It's going to be like a Michael Bay.

film. Yeah. Everything. Browl. Brow! So, you know, I thought there were a couple other cool things

that weren't necessarily story related to Tower 4, but seven lamb story related. We had some pretty cool nods and cameos to other shows.

Especially in the finale. Although, okay, so I did write down one other when I was doing the summary of the whole season. There is an episode

where I added some dialogue where Amber and Mike are talking about Mathis versus Sinatra and they're talking about who's better like a better crooner from you know the 50s and stuff and that is directly taken from the movie Diner which is a 1982 movie starring whose side is Mike on Paul Reiser he says Sinatra she's on Sinatra side too okay good but they she mentions Mathis having like a really good song and you're like yeah but is Sinatra. It's like, no, I know. Sinatra's the winner.

Just making a case. Yeah, exactly. Just saying that he does have some good tunes. But that's from Diner and the reason why I bring that up, not only is that one of my favorite movies, but it's also the first episode of movie night, which is our sitcom-style show that we do about six friends who watch a movie every Friday night and they pick a new movie and then whatever happens in the episode kind of coincides with the movie. Well, that's one of their conversations and says, math is.

versus Sinatra. Nice. And so I put that in there as like a little reference to movie night. I play Cooper in movie night. I don't pay much attention. So if I go the Gina route and I only read my lines as Cooper. Yes. I'm just like, what is this guy?

What is this guy doing? Yes. He's a little bit of a wild card. He's definitely a wild card. He reminds me of Floyd from the movie True Romance. Okay. I was going to say almost like a Charlie Day, I thought, except not as not as crazy.

Pepe Sylvia, Pepe Sylvia! Yeah, not as crazy, but kind of that. I got boxes full of Pepe. But in the finale, we had a lot of references. Yes. One of them, you already mentioned, the Fuck Berry. Yes. So when we recorded that, I was so happy.

Yeah. Because that's been in almost every show that we've done. Tower 4 was kind of the last holdout. Yeah. For a Fuck Barry moment. People who don't know Fuck Barry comes from Atlas Heaven to Beat, which is one of our comedy. It's a film noir spoof if you haven't listened to that.

But that's where Fuck Barry comes from. It's just this guy named Barry who just gets in the way of the main character Locke, played by Jack. He just gets in his way. And he's not a bad guy, but Locke just doesn't like him and just berates him and tries to get him fired every time he meets him throughout the show. And that kind of translated to other shows. And Barry kind of, there's almost a Barry and. every show we've done. Not all of them, but most of them.

And there's always somebody who just doesn't like him. And we, you never, you never know really why people don't like Barry, but they just don't like him. He's just, he's just, he's just annoying, you know? Yeah. That's what it is. He is. So that's where the fuck Barry comes from.

Also, there's a mention of Jack getting, or Mike getting a beer at, um, that's right. which is called calypso odyssey which is from crystal blue yes which is actually a drug in crystal blue but it goes by the same name but it's not the not the biggest one the biggest one so i'm saying that one for last and that is obviously roland who from paralyzed makes an appearance and i know gina you read kind of further ahead because you mentioned that later on that you said when you were reading the script so i was just given to see if i had any more lines and i saw roland's name and i was like, holy shit!

But I didn't, like, read it to know why she was there or anything like that. But I was just like, oh, my gosh. So Roland, yeah, Roland is a detective from our horror podcast called Paralyze. So if you haven't listened to Paralyze, she's in that and she's this detective who's trying to solve some mysterious cases. We're not going to go too far into it. Yeah, we won't go too far into it. But she appears in this.

And again, this isn't to say that it's all going to tie in together. but it's just, you know, it's in the same world. Yeah. It's in the same world. She's there and there is a point in time. We kicked around a lot of cameo ideas. Yeah. But that's the best one.

I think Roland is the best one. And then Bodega Bay. Yeah, oh, that's true. And we mentioned Bodega Bay, which actually appears in not only end of all hope, but paralyzed as well. Somebody commented on that in the spoiler chat on Discord the other day. They're like,

why does he always mention Bodega Bay? I don't know. I don't know. I've been there once, but it's not like I'm in love with the place I just I like it I like Alfred Hitchcock's The Birds That's where they filmed it

So other than that I just like having references To different You know things in all the different shows So that was yeah So yeah I forgot about the Bedigan Bay one And that was Yeah that was

Obviously the hand of all hope I got to play two characters in this one Because I was also Jake Mazzaro Who's also from Paralyzed And you talk to my Me talking to myself Yeah So that's the thing is, if you listen to Paralyze, there is a moment where Roland and Jake are in Alaska.

And that's why I was like, oh, this might be a great time to have them kind of meet. And there's actually a line of dialogue. I was like, I don't know if I can make this sound like smooth, but there's a line of dialogue in Paralyze that makes it sound like they did go to a bar. So I'm like, this is perfect. So I'm like, let's add that. I could not have been happier to see Roland show up because people were freaking out. And guys out there, please don't spoil your fellow lambs if you can. We actually have a...

The first couple comments was like, Roland! Yeah. So we, or Amber, no! Yeah, yeah, yeah. So we had to change a bit of our settings so that we couldn't get people too spoiled. But you were going to say, we have a spoiler chat. We have a spoiler chat in Discord, and we have a spoiler group in Facebook. Yes.

So you can join either of those. I don't know. is the is the spoiler group on facebook is that just for tower four is that for all the shows so it's called tower four spoilers but they talk about pretty much everything but um everybody in there is pretty respectful and in discord not only do they use the spoiler chat there but you can mask your comments in the spoiler oh that's right yep so that kind of helps yeah yeah yeah yeah so if you want to discuss any of those you can go to um either discord or uh i don't know what's the discord link or We'll post it on our, we have it posted on our Facebook group anyway, so definitely make sure to follow us because we're, we constantly do updates.

Obviously, I did do a little message at the beginning of the finale, kind of saying that we are taking a little break from Tower 4. I don't want to harp on this too long because we always talk about this. These episodes and these shows take so long to produce. They just do, and it's not like I can just sit there. I mean, I went for two weeks to a cabin to just write. I wrote 475 pages. Half of that was probably Tower 4. And even then, it wasn't easy.

And that's only because I had an outline going in there and stuff and had all the free time to do it. But that doesn't happen often. And it's not like I'm going to a cabin all the time. There's a lot of other just background work that we're doing constantly here. Well, we were working on some back-end financial stuff. We were talking about Shopify, possibly starting a shop of ours. And, you know, who knows? there might be more to come there.

Yep, yeah. And other shows that we're working on, we've been working on a show that is it going to be exclusive for Patreon. Yeah, yeah, yeah. So there's a lot of things going on besides Tower 4. So while we love all of our Tower 4 folks that come by, there's a ton of stuff that we're working on.

But it's one of those things where people go, like, just concentrate on one show at a time. It's not always that easy. Ask the people who like, end of all hope, how they feel about us concentrating on one show at a time. Yeah, because we pretty much concentrated on Tower 4, almost exclusively probably 80% yeah i'd say it's higher it probably is i think so too yeah i mean the only other things that we really

released this year were a couple episodes of atlas having to beat a side story and then uh the stone house kind of wrapped up at the beginning of this year so um yeah other than those we exclusively worked in tower four but writing longer episodes you know the outlines recording everybody editing that finale is one of the hardest thing i think that is is the hardest episode i've ever had to edit yeah and then i didn't even do the voices we had somebody else do the voices and stuff so it's like just doing the sound effects and music i mean probably took 200 hours it was a ton yeah but uh now for those of you who are friends or fans of paralyzed and end of all hope yeah your time is a coming we're going to so uh yeah look forward to that kind of stuff

i do want to just really quick before we start wrapping up some other stuff uh i just want to see i put down the car chase i think was the first episode where we really got a ton of people commenting about the action set piece that was the car chase that it was it was intense to record to it was awesome yeah it was fun and that wasn't super easy to edit either but um it was easy to visualize for me oh yeah no it was fun to edit for sure that was probably my favorite scene to to edit just because it was really fun, but it wasn't easy. And just the car rolling and like the finding, finding sound effects sometimes is like sitting there for like two hours just like,

okay, here's a golf cart, but it's not going fast enough. So I need to find a golf cart that goes fast enough. Or find a way to manipulate that sound to make it sound faster. Which isn't easy either because sometimes it just sounds completely fake or like a little motorized scooter. Like it's just weird. So yeah, yeah, that's what it is. So I'm like, well, I can't just fast.

Fast forward this. I'm going to have to find something else and tweak it. But yeah, the car chase was a big one that I remember seeing a lot of people on Facebook start commenting like how crazy the action was. And for whatever reason, episode seven, which is just Mike and Amber walking through the woods and Amber kind of explaining what she's been through the last like couple years doing this job and talking about Jerry and Sam and Gene. That was the hardest episode to write and that took probably about three months to write and I don't know if it was just because I was worried about the continuity or worried about like how much I should reveal that Amber knows and how much I should reveal that like, you know, of just the story.

Yeah, we took a little hiatus from that I think to focus on some of the Atlas Avenue beat stuff for a little bit just so I could refresh my mind and get back to it after working on something else. But yeah, that took about three months, and I didn't finish it until the cabin trip that I took to just right. And I was like, all right, now I have to just focus on it. But once I got through it, episodes 8, 9, 10, it was a lot easier. So, yeah, that was a pain. I'm trying to think. Oh, so some, there's two other things I want to mention. The rat men, not actually rat men.

They're called rat men as in their rat. as experiments right but I think some people interpreted them as like actually physical rats like like master splinter running around yeah yeah yeah they're not they're again I love interpretations and everything but I do want to just specify this because it's gonna we'll dive deeper into it in season four but yeah they're just experimented on yeah so they're just labeled the rats like lab rats and then the map of the forest people have asked about a map for Tower 4 we probably won't release a map of the forest I know people want to like follow along and if somebody wants to create a map just from hearing

it which I think I've heard I think I've heard people have done to yeah so yeah I don't know if anyone submitted any art we've gotten some artwork but I don't think anyone submitted a map yet but if somebody wants to do that that's fine yeah and you know we'll share it on fan art Friday. Absolutely. But we're not personally going to do it, one, because I don't want to do one until I'm able to include everything, and I think I'm just going to wait until season four is done. Because I haven't really described much of the forest above where the Ranger Station is, where towers one and two are. So, yeah, I kind of want to hold off. Yeah. Just for any, like, spoiler reasons. Not that it would necessarily be spoilers, but yeah, I think we're going to wait until

after season four and then we might do one ourselves but if you want to do a map and you want to listen through and kind of like judge where things are and how the trails go uh yeah go ahead submit it to us and if you have any artwork submit it to us always do the fan art it's always so cool to see it yeah it's it's cool to see the different interpretations people have yeah i love it i love when people go mike doesn't look like that or amber doesn't look like that i go it doesn't matter it doesn't matter it's audio yeah make them look however you want i think the only thing the only thing the only time I've ever really described them, and I could be wrong, it's been a long time since the first season, but I think I said Mike had a little bit of a gut, and Amber was a little bit

bigger. Like just, yeah. Not big, but just like bigger. And that was it. Well, everybody has their own interpretation, and that's kind of the beauty of audio. That's the beauty of audio is we want you to take that ownership. It's like reading a book, right? In a sense that in your book, your characters look a certain way. Yeah. You know, and then if they make the movie adaptation, and sometimes you're like, nope, that's not it. That's not how they look to me. But in audio, we're purposefully very reserved in descriptions of people. It's usually like maybe one or two adjectives and then everything else is up to you.

And that's definitely by design. So if you hear a voice and you want them to, you know, they appear away in your head. You're right. That's how they look. Well, and a lot of times the way I write is like I'll introduce a character and it's not until we cast them. Right. That I'm like, all right, I'm going to take the character this way a little bit. Paul in Atlas Avenue Beat was not the same Paul

three or four episodes into the show because I just kind of changed how he acted and everything like that because of the voice a lot of times the voice plays a big part so we're never looking for a specific like we might just be like we're looking for a male voice or a female voice maybe a little bit deeper a little bit higher whatever it is

but that's basically it I've only ever seen you say that once and that was for bull in crystal blue where you were like we need a deeper voice yeah and that was pretty much it because a lot of it is I'll tailor it to kind of the voices. And then sometimes I do imagine who's voicing the character a little bit more as I'm writing it. Hence Charlie and paralyzed.

Yes, 100%. Yeah, yeah. So that's, I mean, that's kind of how we handle things. And then I do want to mention also that we mentioned that we mentioned that it took all year to do Tower 4 basically. I mean, we started, I started writing back in July or June of last year. took all year and while 80% or whatever 85% of it went to Tower 4 we saw that other stuff but we also just have a lot of other things that happen and we've mentioned the hurricanes we mentioned that

I got hacked and we mentioned that there's just a lot of Jack's full time now that was something that wasn't for the first half of the year yep so now he's full time so things change and we're trying to adapt as we go we're still a very small production company we still operate out of We call ourselves. We call ourselves of production, Seven Land Productions, but we are really still two guys in a garage and a team of absolutely wonderful people who are our friends who help out and who are, you know, are always dedicating their time, which we appreciate. We are looking to grow for sure, but like we're not in the stage where we're going on indeed and trying to hire people. Well, and the biggest thing too is, and I know we mentioned this before, but when people say just focus on one show, that works. sometimes like it works for tower four this time it still took a year but sometimes when we have a

large cast we don't sign people to contracts like a lot of them are close friends that just record when they have time so if they can't record and we've had issues recently where some people are just busy or we had to do re-recordings with other shows we hold off and we go to something else yep if we just stayed and went like oh like if you couldn't record tower four for like a couple weeks you're like hey i'm i'm going on vacation i'll be back in like two three weeks we don't go okay and then we sit just twiddling our thumbs until you're back so we can start tower four again we go all right let's work on end of all hope let's work on crystal blue let's work on something else not that that ever happened i'm not trying to put you on the spot i'm just saying no that's okay i'll never go to badoes again no but that happens all the time i remember in season two of tower four one of my friends got married he was a side character and he already voiced it one uh voiced the character in a previous episode and he goes hey i know you just sent me the script but i just got married I'm going on a honeymoon I won't be back for a couple weeks I went that's fine and we did we postponed and people complained why didn't it come

out on this time well we didn't want to recast the character this is our friend he just got married that's what it was and that happens a lot especially in shows where we have a lot of characters luckily in Tower 4 you know Jack and Gina a lot quicker with turnarounds it's not usually an issue but when we have a finale that has 20 something characters yeah it gets harder yeah So that's the production woe side of things along with just life, lifeing sometimes. Right.

But we appreciate the support. Oh, 100% that reaches out and says or goes to the contact us on our website. And it's just like, you guys are awesome. That's all I want to say. Have a good day. And we get a good bunch of those. And we did get a how dare did you, how dared you do that to Amber?

What did I send to you the other day, Gina? Yeah, yeah. I was like, oh, people did care. Yeah. I do, I do want to ask like, so. So, I mean, you already talked about it, Gina, about how, like, I guess you said it kind of made sense that she died and stuff like that. But how sad are you that she died? I mean, I'm devastated, but I'm not going to think about it.

Fine. She's not real. I'm still alive. It's fine. In the real world. I'm here in real life. Amber got a lot this season. So it was nice to kind of get more of her backstory and things like that.

And I'm going to ask. I don't know if this is the way she went out did that like kind of hurt in that aspect like that they're like trying to escape Mike's out now he doesn't remember shit

right but he's out but Amber until he gets back into the Matrix that's true he's got to take the red blueprint that's right that's what Jerry's there to tell him in my hand do you have any speculations

on what season four will be just out of my gosh so I feel like now that I've actually listened to episode because I feel like my reaction when I recorded and only looked at my lines versus my reaction when I actually listened to the episode I have two totally different ideas so like when I was just looking at my lines I was just like okay like I'm dead like it's fine it's fine it's whatever I mean that's fine I won't talk to them anymore it's not real it's okay um so I took it very very um so I took it very at face value and I was really like like I kind of was just sitting and thinking back like again once it was done then it really like dawned on me what happened so it was like really going through the stages of grief and so then I was like well when you think back to what he did he did have that conversation where she was like look if I had do it all again I would do it so I was like I mean there was like I mean there was like I mean there was like now she's gone like you know that she had no regrets that she would have done it again and I was also very much so like you don't want that cheap like you think they're dead and then just kidding and then he caught that like I don't I didn't want to cheapen her character that way where it's like everything's fine like you know like soap offers do or whatever so um yeah that would be kind of bad that would be kind of bad if you fall over the cliff and then mike wakes up and there's amber yeah well i'm never it to be like that this won't

be it's all a dream i'm telling everyone right now that's that's a spoiler i'll say right now this will not be at the very end like he wakes up and it's just like a dream yeah forget Or part of his book. Right. I've seen that in movies. That's like, see that a lot where people are like, it's just his story. I'm telling his book. I'm telling you right now, it's not going to be that there will be like, you know, references to different things.

But it's not going to be it's all a dream. We're not going to pull a Dallas season four or whatever that was. I think it was Dallas. But yeah, no, not going to do that kind of stuff. I don't like those kind of stories. Not that they're bad. There are some good ones. But yeah, I don't want to, I don't want to write that.

Yeah. What do you think, Robin? I'm just kidding. Sorry, God. But then once I listen to it, now I feel like it could go in so many different directions, not just for like Amber, but like the whole story. Like, I don't know how you're going to write season four because I don't either. I don't.

You, there's so many ways that you could take this story now that are all amazing. Like, like, that's why I just like give you so many props because like, bravo, like, you killed it. I appreciate it. I will say that one of the things is. and diagnose this is I always have a very loose outline I never know going in like exactly I usually have an ending in mind like when I started season three I was like Mike and Amber are going to try to escape Amber's going to probably fall off a cliff into fire those were like the two things that I kind of knew they were going to happen yeah how they happened where it happened how I got there didn't know there's a couple other like little story moments I knew we're going to happen but other than that a lot of it I didn't know how I was going to reveal the Jean Amber situation until I literally just got to the end of that episode. And I was like, this is the perfect time to just end the episode that she says it here. Then people are going to be like, what the hell?

Yeah, listen to the next episode. So those kind of situations, I don't know until I start writing. And it's like, I have some ideas for season four now trying to answer all the questions and not have a lost moment. Not that everything necessarily has to be wrapped up in a neat bow, but having a solid answer. for a lot of the questions that have been posed throughout and having a solid ending for Mike and the story.

Yeah, it's not going to be easy and the hardest part is going to be like how do you tell the story? One of the things I was kind of worried about is cutting to Miles and Dr. Spencer below in the lab was this is the first time we're breaking. By the way, Kevin Holloway,

I love that guy. Eric Holloway. Eric Holloway. Eric, what did I say? What did I say? I'm so sorry. His name is not Kevin. It's Eric. But he is known as that bass voice on all the socials. He's, he was so good lending us Dr. Spencer. Because I got introduced to him kind of by, you know, a third party. And we just sat and had breakfast. And as soon as I heard his voice, was like, dang, man. I wish I had something really sinister for you. And then I read the script and I was like, oh, here we go. What do you think about this guy? So he was really. really nice really professional good good dude but that was another one that I was surprised like I'm like should I cut to the lab or should I keep telling the story from

like Mike and Amber's perspective yes and we decided let let's just do it let's just cut to the lab give a little bit of a taste of what's going down right the other side yeah yeah season four might have more of that but yeah we don't know I don't know exactly how season four will turn out I have some story ideas and I have an ending in mine and that's pretty much it here's here's my thoughts in terms of like Mike right Mike is not a Delta soldier he's not somebody who is like he's a normal guy yeah so I I wouldn't think it's going to be the Mike revenge tour where he goes in with grenades and rifles and stuff like that I think he's a guy who feels very purpose driven and who

knows what's going to click for him and what's going to make him do what but that's one thing that I'm just like, that's not Mike. So people were like, I can't wait for Mike to come back. He's not, he's just a guy. Yeah. He's gotten super lucky. Who forgot all the stuff too. So who knows when Jerry talks to him, if Jerry does fill him in on a lot of stuff,

granted, granted. What does he know? Yeah. But if he tries to tell him like, what this is what happened or something like that, is Mike going to believe him? Right. Like, you know what I mean? Yeah.

I'm going to go for myself. Yeah. I don't know about this. Job interview, Tower 4, I think I'll apply, Jerry. I will also say, though, that I did skim through the spoiler chat on Facebook. I don't think I've looked at the Discord one, but on the Facebook one, I just scrolled through just to kind of see how people were talking. There's a lot of people chatting back and forth, and it's fun to see the different reactions and the speculations of what's going to happen in season. season four and we're going to try really hard to make season for the last season

uh like like jack said we'll just do a two hour movie if we have to for the finale that's what i imagine is going to happen might who knows we aren't we aren't we aren't working on audio movies we might yeah that's true and it wouldn't be the first time it wouldn't be the first time it would have done long ass episodes but i will say that one thing we might do though is split up season four kind of do like maybe like five episodes right kind of take a little bit of a mid break yeah just to kind of i because i think they're going to be hour long episodes again which is a lot to write it's just so much to write and then edit and record it's just a lot but i also do want to uh mention uh taco soundclack taco slash made by taco

yes taco is uh a friend that we made who reached out to us uh who lives in norway and he makes music for us and we included a ton of his music in this uh season of tower four uh just to our our cast you guys are awesome so much uh jean we appreciate jina 100% obviously being a voiceover like having it having the jack treatment of like four episodes are just voiceover looking at it and going i was like now i know what he's like but he's like it takes forever just talking to myself pages and pages now let me ask how do i make that interesting i don't do too many run on sentences right yes you do no i know okay yeah

I don't pay attention to grammar I really don't so like to me it doesn't bother me at all I just kind of there are so many takes I feel like Amber is such a stream of consciousness person anyway like she's just whatever comes her head to yeah you know what I mean so like if there were

run on sentences I think it would be very on par for Amber yeah that makes out just I don't think I yeah like when Mike is trying to read these sentences sometimes you can ask Rob there always so many times I'll read it and I'll screw up and I go wait a what hold on I'll go back here this is all one sentence. Yeah, it's like the whole paragraph.

But it's a ton of fun. And yeah, for everybody that voiced my wife got to be the bartender at the end. Yes, yep. I noticed. So I was like, oh, look at it. Yes. There was a lot of people who voiced characters that I think we had, maybe not first timers, but people who have maybe only done like one voice for us previously that we just asked around. So like obviously we say this all the time. We're always looking for voice actors. And if you've sent us something. Yeah, if you, we'll get to

right we have a list of all the people who have inquired about voice acting what really helps is what so i rudely interrupted rob as he was saying is include a demo include something yeah any kind of voice demo instead of like like don't be the person who's like i want to voice act for you okay got a microphone do you have i don't have one what do you record on i don't know yeah and that's not to be rude i want you to go out and get the microphone and get the stuff and get inspired. And if you have questions, Lord knows we've sat plenty of times answering people's questions about that kind of stuff. But if you want to be a part of the production, we're always looking for people, but try to be a little bit ahead of the game. Yeah, if you send us a demo,

that's going to help us out a lot because we do sometimes where I'm like, we just need a male voice or we need a female voice and we'll go through and somebody will send a demo. And if they send us a demo, we can just click on it and be like, oh, yeah, this sounds good. Or, oh, we need something a little deeper. Okay, this one. If you don't send us a demo and then we have to reach out and then it's like a back and forth for like a couple weeks or something, that it's just like we're, I know we seem like we're slow with production, but we're constantly working on stuff. So if you can send us a demo, that definitely helps. And you don't have to have a sure mic or an expensive road mic. No, you don't. You just have a decent mic in a quiet room.

And as long as it's not your iPhone or your regular. Those are, yeah, those make it rough. Nothing against those. They're great devices. They're super, super helpful. But in terms of this medium they don't always work yeah unless you're like in a super quiet room with like not like that's a lot of it too but we've had friends record under blankets and that helps yep and it sounds great yeah it does so there's a lot of different things you can do and like sometimes just doing like a little bit of research of like just a decent mic that you can pick up and like where to record and then yeah a demo of anything it could just be you talking to us uh just saying your name and like some information about you it doesn't have to be goofy characters or accents you can include those if you want

but just anything to give us a sense of your voice or what you're capable of that helps us out because we we need a lot of people for tower four finale and we did that like for the season finale had a lot of had some people who were new to it they just got in and i and i will say that some people who mentioned that alice who was the person that mike orders donuts from yeah oh yeah I wanted to bring that up too. Yeah, she sounds like, like, Amber. And I'm like, that's not Amber. But I get it.

And I actually did that on purpose. Well, my husband did that too. He's like, do you record for house too? I was like, no, I did not. But then he's on the Facebook group like, oh, that Alice really sounds like Amber. I'm starting to pie. Why? Because that's what he does.

Yep. And I love it. I did purposely because I knew she was going to be over an intercom. I was like, I'm going to, I just want. wanted to name her Alice and Alice had like the same number as like Amber. It just kind of Alice and Amber, I'm like, yeah, I'm just going to do that. Yeah. Yeah. So that I did do that on purpose, but, uh, no, it's not Amber, um, and Gina

Coil did not record for the fast food drive end or the donut cafe or anyone else. Yeah, but, uh, other than that, I will say that we're going to also start, we already talked about Shopify. We're going to start having some new merch on our website. We already have the threadless. which is what is it seven lamb dot threadless.com yes you can find shirts on there all the links are on our website www. www.7lam.com but we're going to start selling stuff directly through the website too so you can look forward to that and we are working on a patreon gene centric prequel we know how much

people love jean yes and that's why we're doing a prequel but it's just going to be a prequel and not sure how many episodes or anything and um just like a 16 episode series He's each of them an hour and a half long. Yep. With a four hour finale and that's split into two. And there's no action. Yeah. Just just monologues.

Yep. It's just a lot of monologues. I know Brian I love that. Oh, 100%. No, but it's going to be a gene prequel just a little bit. What happens before Tower 4? Again, it won't impact the story at large. So if you can't donate on Patreon, that's okay.

We just, we care about your support in other ways. But if you can and you want to help us out, you can go to patreon. dot com slash seven lamb the number seven LAMB and you can donate as little as a dollar a month although if you want the gene side story all the bonus episodes of all of our shows that are on there right now are on the three lamb tier I believe which is seven dollars a month and then four lamb tier is ten dollars a month and that's all of our shows bonus episodes plus all the other shows early and ad free which we try to release at least five days to a week early sometimes we'll release even earlier.

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try it for a month. Patreon.com slash 7lamm, the number 7, L-A-M-B. Mm-hmm. Mm-hmm. And we will see you for season four. We will be back. Thanks, Jack.

Thanks, Gina for joining. We hope you guys enjoyed this. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Give me something fun to do. Yeah. Well, now we've got to get you in another show.

That's right. Yeah, yeah. A mysterious character show up in End of All Hope. We'll just have, yeah, Amber show up in End of All. Yeah. Oh, gosh. That would blow people's minds. Find out that End of All right.

End of All right. It's actually a prequel. What? No way. But, all right. Well, thanks for listening, guys, and thanks for joining you guys. We will catch you next time. See ya.

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