Trading Secrets - 173.  Joey Graziadei & Kelsey Anderson, Bachelor Nation’s newly engaged couple reveal the $$$ behind their careers pre show, navigating the spotlight, and making major moves professionally and personally

Episode Date: June 10, 2024

Episode Description: This week, Jason is joined by Bachelor Nation’s newly engaged couple and fan favorites Joey Graziadei and Kelsey Anderson!  Joey walked away from his lead role on The Bachelor this past season after asking Kelsey to marry him. Since their season wrapped, Joey and Kelsey have spent their time traveling and spending as much time together as an engaged couple. Having come from two different career paths and geographical locations (Joey a tennis pro in Hawaii and Kelsey a project manager in New Orleans), they are now faced with the deciding factor of what is next for them personally and professionally.  Joey and Kelsey reflect on meeting fans at CMAfest and their impact on their audience, what goes into teaching tennis, where they saw their careers going prior to the show, how Kelsey and Joey ended up on the show, what role Jason played in Joey’s journey, and having important conversations in the fantasy suite. Kelsey and Joey also dive into the decision for Joey to move in with Kelsey in New Orleans, where they see their careers moving post show, discussing the influencer space and navigating other people being worried about their finances, and a few rapid fire questions. How many times has Kelsey been nominated for The Bachelor? Where do they plan on moving after the lease ends? What other reality show would they love to do?  Kelsey & Joey reveal all that and so much more in another episode you can’t afford to miss!  Host: Jason Tartick Co-Host: David Arduin Audio: John Gurney Guests: Joey Graziadei and Kelsey Anderson Stay connected with the Trading Secrets Podcast!  Instagram: @tradingsecretspodcast  Youtube: Trading Secrets Facebook: Join the Group All Access: Free 30-Day Trial  Trading Secrets Steals & Deals! The Washington Post: The Washington Post helps you go deeper on the news that matters most to you. Their journalists bring you the facts and provide clarity about what’s happening in the industry, revealing the role tech giants and regulators play in our lives, the dangers and wonders of breakthrough technological developments and the national conversation around artificial intelligence. Go to WashingtonPost.com/SECRETS to subscribe for just 50 cents per week for your first year. That’s 80% off their typical offer, so this is truly a steal.  ZocDoc: Zocdoc is a FREE app and website where you can search and compare highly-rated, in-network doctors near you and instantly book appointments with them online. Once you find the doc you want, you can book them immediately —no more waiting awkwardly on hold with a receptionist and these docs all have verified reviews from actual, real patients.  Go to Zocdoc.com/TRADINGSECRETS and download the Zocdoc app for FREE.  Shopify: Shopify powers 10% of ALL eCommerce in the US. And Shopify’s the global force behind Allbirds, Rothy’s, and Brooklinen, and millions of other entrepreneurs of every size across 175 countries. Sign up for a one-dollar-per-month trial period at SHOPIFY.COM/secrets

Welcome back to another episode of Trading Secrets. I'm your host, Jason Tardick, and welcome to the pre-market trading segment where I'll tell you a little bit about what you can expect from this episode. A money management tip and an update for my personal life. This episode, we have Joey Gros. The former Bachelor, his season just aired and his fiancé from the show Kelsey Anderson on. Now, if you don't watch The Bachelor, you should know that his season was a massive, massive hit. Gen Zs were engaged. The ratings were off the charts.

Social media following spiked at levels we haven't seen in years. And it was a major, major success. And their love story was truly beautiful. For a majority of my listeners, you didn't need that because you know both of these two. They're beautiful, they're humble, they're fun, they're kind, they're sweet, and they are a perfect match. And my goal with today's interview was, let's make it different. They've done a million media outlet podcast interviews. Let's make this different.

And what's nice about this is Joey and I knew each other before the show. So these are two friends that are talking. And I work with both Kelsey and Joey. So I've got to have a lot of behind-the-scenes conversations with them, and I really think you're going to just love when we get into some of the numbers in their career track before the show, some things that you might not know that happened on the show, and where they go from here. And it's crazy, like to think, imagine this, going from Good Morning America, you're on every single billboard, you're the biggest name in reality TV, and then things end and you're in love. and you're engaged and you pack your bags, you've moved to New Orleans, and you're moving in with four people,

your fiance and her three roommates. And we get into all that, what the rent is, what the dynamics like. I'm telling you, this is an episode you can't afford to miss, and these are some different sides of Joey and Kelsey you've never seen,

and I am so, so excited when we do a state of the union with them in one year from now to see what their professional financial and personal lives look like because we touch on a lot of foreshadowing of what they believe is to come. But there are some numbers shared. There are some stories said that haven't been said before.

So get ready for it. A little money tip is actually talking to some group of great analysts and financial advisors. We were talking about the upcoming election and how they believe the markets will shift because everyone's talking about market shifts and, oh, my God, there's going to be all these big changes. Whoa, what's going to happen? And what's really interesting is they made a point that I never thought about before. The first time, in literally almost 100 years, we have an individual that will become the president. And both of those candidates have already been the president.

We haven't had a situation where we know, no matter what the outcome is, it's a former president. that has already been in office. And so when we just think about numbers, politics all aside, just the numbers of the market and what will happen, we have a lot of information from both the candidates, Trump and Biden, so that when we predict the future, which is that's all the market is doing is looking at the history based on what is likely to happen. And then the current price is the price based on what will happen, given what we've known. We know more than we've ever known about two possible candidates running because they have both been the president before, which we haven't seen, and I think over 100 years. So that I found really interesting.

Update for my personal life. Oh my gosh. I just have so much to share. I have so much to share. You have no idea. These more than money episodes on Thursday are about to get very intense and very deep. But I'm going to share all that stuff soon. Not quite yet. But we just had CMA Fest. I was with Joey and Kelsey. That's where we did this interview.

Charity. Dot and John was there from The Bachelor. Sean was there from The Bachelor. Tanner was there from The Bachelor. I unfortunately couldn't meet up with Tyler Cameron. but you know just miss tyler yesterday he was here and then we did a uh advertisement with mr clean in a mr clean model actually came in in nashville and like we turned mr clean into a cowboy what was really cool about mr clean is you know what i'm not even talk about his background because i'm

going to have him on the podcast at at some point because his job aside from being mr clean is one like we've never had on this show before. And then this week, I'll be in Chicago and then heading to Charlotte. It is my mom's birthday on the same day as Father's Day. So this is also just a heads up. Sunday, it's Father's Day. Make sure you're doing something intentional and thoughtful. But enough of me, enough of my updates, you know, enough of the money market updates. Let's get into this podcast. One, you can't afford to miss. And trust me, one, you're going to hear stories that you haven't heard before with Joey Gratziaddei and Kelsey Anderson. Let's ring in the bell. Welcome back to another episode of Trading Secrets. Today we are joined by Bachelor Nation's

newly engaged couple and fan favorites. Joey Gratia Day and Kelsey Anderson. Joey walked away from his lead role of the bachelor this past season after asking Kelsey to marry him. Since their season wrapped, Joey and Kelsey have spent their time traveling and spending as much much time together as an engaged couple. Having come from two different career paths in geographical locations, Joey, a tennis pro in Hawaii, Kelsey, a project manager in New Orleans. They are now faced with a deciding factor what is next for both of them, personally and professionally as they move to New York City this summer.

Or is it this summer? We'll talk about it. Where do they want to live permanently? What do they want to do professionally? Do they see more reality TV in their future? touch it all before the show during and after. Joey and Kelsey, thank you so much for being on this episode of Traying Secrets. We're happy to be here.

Yeah, that's like the Gatinae. I mean it was like Anderson. Anderson. All right. That was the most form. I'm going to be. I could honestly at this point, just put this down. But let's start with last night, eh? Yeah. You guys are in Nashville. CNA Fest. It's good to have you guys here. We're going to talk about that. But we got to tell the story about, we're at bar stool last night. Okay. And we're just doing our thing, having fun. Dotting Charity are like completely crushing the dance floor. Like I'm like, all right, they're killing it.

You and I decide to go to the bathroom. And then all of a sudden, security comes after you because of Jeffrey Starr of all things. You got to, you got to explain it. I don't even know what I'm explaining at this point because I was just trying to go to the bathroom and we were walking and all of a sudden this guy starts pushing me backwards. And then I get stopped. Like, I can't go backwards anymore. And I don't understand what's happening.

and he keeps pushing me, like, you need to move. I was like, no, sir, I can't move. You're pushing me into something. And he's like, no one's behind you. He's been pushed me into a pole that was like one of the, I guess one of the tapes that you need to get around. Like the red carpet pole. Yeah, yeah.

I just get pushed into a pole. And he kept pushing. He's like, dude, I can't move. And all of a sudden, Jeffrey Starr just walks right behind them. It was so funny. Yeah, it was a low point of last night for me. Yeah. You couldn't move, but the dirty guy couldn't see watch.

He just just like, because it was a short pole. Yeah. It was right on my butt. I couldn't go anywhere. And he was like, there's no one behind you, which honestly was really funny to me. Like, he did not realize at all. Like, why you couldn't move back. But it was a short pole.

It broke my brain for a second because I literally wasn't moving, but he was pushing me. I can't move. You're pushing me into a pole. I thought he was pushing me into a wall. You just come up to me like, I just got assaulted, but I don't know if I did. I'm confused. Can you help me? Oh, well, that was last night.

All right. Well, let's talk about yesterday, actually. So you did the CMA tent. I asked you how I went. You signed like 200. different photos and you're taking pictures, you're doing these meeting greets. I think about, you know, Kelsey, just about a year or so ago, year and a half ago, your assistant project manager in New Orleans, Joey, not even two years ago, you're a tennis

pro, a tennis teacher at Ensworth here in Nashville. Now, fast forward, what, 18 months, and you have a line of people. By the way, I was doing a thing with Mr. Clean, and we left at like 930, literally we had like a Mr. Clean model, and we passed the tent, and people are lining up for you guys at 930. So you think about that. What does it mean to you when you think about yesterday sitting there signing 200 different autographs, taking pictures? How surreal is it? What does it feel like today? Yeah, I think we both are on the same side of just grateful. Like, we understand that we got

dealt a crazy hand, but we just feel so lucky that there's been so much support, so much kindness through all of this. Yeah, and it was wild because we're in Nashville where I used to live and there's people coming up that like are telling me connections that I used to teach their mom tennis or this and that. And it's kind of a full circle thing to be. be here and doing something like this now. But we had the best day yesterday. Everyone was so kind. Yeah, everyone was so nice. And it was very surreal. I was like, why do people want my signature? Is it still like pinch me to you? Yes. For me, it fully is. I feel like Joey's been been around all this a little bit longer. But for me still, it's like, I don't know if it'll

ever feel normal. Like, I don't know. I'm very grateful, but it is very foreign to me. Yeah, we both said it should never feel normal. Normal. We're just kind of embracing it and enjoying it. And we know this is a crazy time. But I think what we love most is the little stories we get, the people sharing, like, how they connected with the season and how much they enjoyed it. And we both are really proud that we felt like we were ourselves fully through it. So for people to connect with that and then talk through it, I just, it was beautiful for us. It was a good day. Yeah. There were people coming up with like tears in their eyes talking about how like they've lost a parent. And like the way that I opened up about like losing a parent was like just like very comforting for

them. And that meant a lot to me. So it's like really special to hear those stories and see how you touched other people's lives. There's literally nothing better than that. You're given a platform you never expected. And now you're having an impact in such a positive way, which is absolutely beautiful. All right, well, let's get into some of the career stuff before the show, right? And then we'll get into what today looks like. That's all coming. Joey, let's start with you. Teaching tennis pro here at Ensworth and you went to Hawaii. Talk to me a little bit like what that career track looked like and the money behind that business and what you expected five, ten years from now to look like if this didn't come your way.

Yeah. So when I was at Ensworth, it was kind of when I was in a transition too because I left a sales job. And I just tennis is always what I was good at is what I came back to. But I was pretty much a full teaching tennis pro on staff. And for that, you're usually ripping somewhere between 40 or 50 hours a week on court and, you know, somewhere along the lines of making, depending on how many people on court with you, around 80 to $100 an hour. So you do well. That's pretty good. Yeah, you do well. I didn't realize that.

It's definitely, yeah, it's definitely, it can be lucrative. but at the same time, the game with tennis pros, you can only do that for so long. Because 40 hours on court is tough. You either have to get to the point where you're teaching more high-level players and you're kind of sitting on the side or you're teaching ladies and you're kind of feeding a lot more. But if you're doing full on hitting lessons, which can happen sometimes, I mean, you beat your body up. So the goal, the track was always for me and still something I would look to later today was to be a director of a place, to be in the position where you're overseeing. a full facility and you're more dealing with the business side where you have pros that are working under you and they're giving you a percentage of their lessons. And you're kind of

overseeing everything and doing your version of it or maybe you're on court more 10 hours a week and you're choosing who you want to teach. But then you have a full group of people that you're kind of really just setting your own dynamic and trying to get a club that makes sense to you. So that was always where I was trying to build towards. I was still on the teaching stage of it right now. In the teaching stage though, making a hundred bucks an hour, how much goes back to the house. Usually you would be somewhere along the lines. If you're at a good place, you're making 70% of it. Maybe more in a tougher place like 60. So yeah, I would say usually it was somewhere around 75 to 90K years, what you could probably pull from what I was doing if you're putting

enough hours into it. And then a director, which is where your trajectory, what do they make? Usually you're in a setup where you're probably getting paid salary for your business. And I'd say a good staff job somewhere between 40 to 60K is what you're making. but then you're getting a percentage of everyone's lessons. If you're clearing probably somewhere close to 150 as a director, that's a great starting position. That's if you have a good functioning club. But they're all different because it's how well your club's doing.

You can do a lot better. My uncle was in it and he did really, really well when he was doing it. And he only did it for summers. So it can be very lucrative if you get the right setup. Sweet. That's awesome. All right, we're going to get into the finances of the transition into reality TV. Before we do that, Kelsey, let's go to you,

assistant project manager. I mean, you're your deal, you got the cone. going up there. You got concrete being poured. You're doing it all. In a job like that, how much can you make? What's it like? I was new to it. I was only there for like a year and a half before I went on to the show. So I was making like 50K, but I know project managers that are like full project managers. They make like 100K plus. Like it's, you can make a lot of money in that field, especially the different type of projects that you all work on. The project that I was working on, it was a million square foot renovation project is huge. So like the

project managers on that site were probably making a lot of money, like the full ones. But I also did owner representative work. So I was in between the owner and the contractor. So I pretty much made sure that the owner was getting everything that they wanted and need out of the project. So making sure that all aspects of scope were being met with like the timeline and the budget and making sure that the contractor was like, you know, doing what they're supposed to. And like checking their numbers and checking their receipts and all of that crazy stuff.

Okay. So when you were doing that stuff, and now. And I put out my Instagram and I could read all of the questions. Like, everyone asked me about their professional, personal, financial lives. What do you want to know? I can't tell you how many people are like, when is Kelsey getting into modeling? When is Kelsey? Like, literally, I'm not just saying. Like, it's got to be 50 plus. So if I went back to that Kelsey, who's working the receipts of project management and said, hey, in about a year and a half from now, you're going to blow up on social media, be a reality TV star. You are going to

earn the heart of America's sweetheart and then become America sweetheart. And now everyone's saying you're going to be a modeling. Was that ever in your trajectory? Did you know you're on to greater and bigger things more than just assistant project management? Or was that never in your future? I think the greater things after assistant project management in my mind was project manager. Like it was just like the next level of that. It was never going to be like all of this that has, you know, came from this show that I am very grateful for. But yeah, it's why. It's wild. It's like, it's wild. Yeah, it's wild. And even obviously after the show, we're all friends. We were talking what's next steps look like. And I remember Kelsey just getting off the show

and she's like, Jason, I just don't get it. And we'll talk about that really, I don't get how this world could possibly be a profession. And I think that's probably a testament to like how you think about things. Like I think there's so much reality and you're like, no, I'll just be a project manager. Yeah. And that's it. And here you are. Now people are calling you to be on the next big magazines, which you just landed a cover. But let's actually figure out how you got here. So how does The Bachelor find Kelsey Anderson in New Orleans? What it looked like? I found The Bachelor. How's that? I applied myself. Some of my girlfriends were like, you have to apply again. One of my girlfriends applied me. Wait, you said again. Yes, one of my girlfriends had applied

like three years ago. One of my girlfriends had. Who was the Bachelor then? I have no idea. Like it was a random application. I don't think that they knew anything. We knew anything. It was pilot Pete season, wasn't it? Probably. It would be. It would be either. Coddy. Shocker. Pilot Pete's already talked to Kelsey.

I can't remember what year it was. But I remember my girlfriend had just applied me because I'd got out of a relationship. And then I'd got out of another relationship, like kind of like a couple months before his season of The Bachelor. And I was just like, I don't know. Dating is hard. Like I don't like, I didn't want to do the apps, things like that. And my girlfriend was like, you just have to apply for the Bachelor. Like, it'd be fun experience.

And I was like, you know what? I'm just going to do it. I, like, honestly, like, half-assed it. I didn't submit pictures. Like, I just kind of, like, wrote it in really quick as fast as I could, submitted it. And somehow I got an email and I was like, this isn't real. How soon thereafter did you get an email? Honestly, I can't remember the difference.

It was probably a couple weeks. But I was really surprised. Like, I was not expecting it at all. Did you know Joy was going to be The Bachelor? I did not know. They asked me to watch. And so his season of The Bachelor, it was just coming out. And they asked me to watch it and tell them who I liked from it.

And I said, Joey. And so I was. Who else did you say? Avoid that. I thought that they just seemed like the most genuine guys, in my opinion, and like some, like, just like really great guys. So, yeah, that's what I'm embarrassed. I love it. I think it's great.

Dotten and I, I think if anyone, if anyone watch that season and if anyone ever hung out with me and Dotten, like, we do have a very similar demeanor in that stance. We're just completely different people at the same time, too. Okay, so you think it's going to be Joey, you're gone, and you end up going on the show. Yeah. To go on to the show, did you have to talk to your employer? Did they tell you you'll have your job back? They tell you have to leave your job, what it looked like? Yeah, I told my boss, once it started getting serious, I'm like interviewing.

I was like, hey, I've been interviewing for the bachelor. I was like, obviously, I really love my job and I want to continue working here. Like, do you think that we can make that work? I was like, it could be a week. It could be, you know, plus, like, I don't know how long I'll be there. I was like, I'll probably be back in a week. Like, you won't have to worry. My boss was very supportive.

She was like, we want you to, you know, do this. This is a really cool opportunity for you. She fully supported me. So I, like, left and I was gone for two months. And then I came back and I went straight back to work. And I was very grateful with, like, my support with my work. That's awesome. Yeah.

So glad to hear that. We'll talk about what work looks like today. So stay tuned to that. But Joey, let's get into your journey here, right? Joey and I met in Nashville. Yep. through doctor even more let's get it right we're golfing we have a good time you and i connect i was like i want to get out to hawai at some point and then you dm me and you're like hey there's this

casting director i don't know if it's real or not like is this sound legit do you know this name and i was like no i have no idea who that is and then called the person i do know and they're like oh that person's great we just hired them this is legit so they just found you through your dms then it's still today i don't know i don't know what happened because it was actually not even a casting director, it was a producer. And he's like one of the main producers on the show right now.

Like he's one of the main people that deals with all of the cast when they're going through. He always goes to the end, like one of our favorite people, Patrick. Yeah. Wait, but was he, he wasn't there when I was on, I think,

he was on his second season, I think, when he did it. And from what I've been told, like they obviously, part of their whole entire situation is they're supposed to sometimes find talent. And I think I was like private at the time. I don't really remember what it was.

But if you know Patrick, which anyone on the show on the last couple of years do, like, if you talk to Patrick, I ask him, like, how did you find me? He's like, I don't know. Like, that's his response. He has no idea. He has no idea how he found me. He just DM me. And we had the funniest phone call.

And he was great. And then I called you and I said, can you figure out this is real before I actually decide if I want to do this? But, and then Patrick was someone that I, like, had multiple interviews with on the show, like someone that was part of the experience. So my thing was so amazing. that, like, the person that also found me was a part of my entire experience, too. That is nuts.

Do you remember, like, when you and I, going back when you and I first met, we played golf that day in Nashville, anything specific? Because a lot of people, when I asked them, like, what questions are like, how did you guys know each other? Anything you remember from that time? And you got any stories that maybe I don't even know? I think the biggest thing for me was I knew we were supposed to play golf if you don't forget, like 10 other times, right?

Because I have golf with Ian a ton of times. So I didn't know. I didn't even know that. Yeah, so, like, we were supposed to play one time at Greystone. There was, like, multiple times where I'm always playing with Ian, and he's like, I got a fourth. It's going to be my buddy Jason. Yeah. And then you always backed out.

Because he's a busy guy. He's got a podcast. He's got all his other things going on. So I think there was maybe, like, three or four times you're supposed to golf and then you just didn't make it. But this was one of the last ones. And the crazy thing was, it was, as you knew, like, a month before I moved to Hawaii. Yep. And then I meet you, and I was like, damn, this guy's got a familiar face.

why do I feel like I know who this person is? And of course, we're like walking through Hermitage Clubhouse and someone stops you and asks for a picture. And I remember I came up to you and you, I think you love this. I was like, who the hell are you? What is this? And you're like, I was on this show and blah, blah, blah. And then we just went on to have like a great round.

And I think you just had a good time because we were with Ian and Mike who were just good boys. And I just remember that you were so inviting to me right away. And we just had a really good day. day. And it just was a natural thing at the end where when you were asked me what I was doing and trying to get to know me. And you said that you might want to come to Kauai sometimes. So you just asked for my Instagram and we connected. Because we didn't even have our numbers at that time. We just follow each other on Instagram. So even when I DM'd you, I was like, this guy's not going to respond. I'm going to reach out to this guy and he's going to be like

not even responding. So I'm going to have to go. I'm going to end up like giving my social security number to someone that's trying to fraud me. I didn't even know it was happening when I was applying. So the fact that you responded, the fact that you took that phone call, for me to get me prep for the show. You are a big part of why all this happened because I wouldn't have been able to do this if I couldn't have talked to you and get some understanding of what this whole entire experience was going to be like. Yeah, I appreciate that.

It was, yeah, I remember that day, actually, because I lived, like, the last house I lived in was backed up to the course that we played at. I was having a really tough day that day. I remember it. And when I came to that group, I was like, I just don't want to deal with anybody. And I was like, wait a second, these are a great guys. It's in you, I mean, just the banter, all everyone's energy, and it, like, totally turned that day around. And here you are.

A couple of years later, life is changing around. I'm very thankful we met before. Thankful for our friendship and so excited for what you got going on and what the future looks like. Let's talk about you get off the show. I want to ask you just only one gossip question about charity season, okay? Yeah. Promise it's only one. In the fantasy suite, at any capacity, do you talk about...

careers, money, what future would look like in that capacity? 100%. You did? Yeah. Interesting. Yeah, I think that's a rare answer I get. That's why I asked. It was more, I mean, and we talked about this too, it's like, it's important to understand

what you're trying to see what's next because I think anytime you get into this world, you have to ask the question of what it's going to be like to be in a public relationship. And that conversation naturally pivots into, well, what do you want to do with all of this? and no one comes into this if they're in it for as the quote-unquote right reasons. No one comes into this. 20 years plus. No one comes into this that does well

to try to turn it into something else, but you would be a fool not to at least have that conversation to see what do you want to do? And for that time, like Charity was saying, I want to get back into therapy. And for me, I was saying,

yeah, tennis is going to be a part of my life. So we didn't have a deep conversation. I think it was just more the surface level. but I think it was also important. And I did the same thing with her when we were in ours to be like, did you? Yeah, what do you want to do? Do you want to be in the public?

Like, do you want to shy away from it? Do we want to try to figure out ways to get back to our normal life? If we can't, how are we going to pivot and do that? So you two talk about 100% this way. You got into like the, I want to say it was at least an hour conversation. No way. Yeah, we talked about it.

And I said pretty much like, I'm open to it as long as it doesn't like taint our relationship. because it doesn't affect our relationship. Like, I'm open to doing things like this and being open to the public. I'll say this. That was, I would say, on the show, one of the most important moments for me was asking that question and understanding what this all was because when you're in the position that I am, you always question, are you doing this for some other reason?

Is this and that? And she gave the most natural answer that I have ever heard. And she said it pretty much word for word there. But what I remembered was I will be open to whatever this brings. But as soon as we start doing this for other people, I want out. Like, I'm not doing this unless it's for us. And that was when I was like, you're in this for me. And now I can actually fully see what this is going to bring.

But at least I know at the end of the day that we're going to come back and know that this is actually more important what we are trying to build here together. That is so intuitive and like years beyond because I think what happens is most people do not talk about this fantasy suite. And weirdly enough, it's, you know, it's the intimacy, it's the physical connection, it's the beautiful show that brings the relationships together. And I think a lot of them are split up from the mayhem after. Yeah. Right. And I think the idea of being like, we can do whatever we want to pursue professionally, let's do it. But as long as our personal foundation is always the priority and stronger than that.

And the fact that you guys were doing that in the fantasy suite, like talking about that is huge. Because another thing that a common question out there is, listen, I know it. I've seen it. I'm friends with people I've experienced it. You know, it's a lot of this, like this success rate of going through this and then getting across the line is tough. And so a lot of the big questions are like how and what can you do knowing that to beat those odds, to be the couple that everyone is so vested in. And I think it's conversations literally like that, 100%. Years beyond that people aren't having. get you to that point. People don't see them either, right? Because that's not what the TV show is all about. They're not going to understand. No one gets to see that conversation. No one gets to get an inside into my brain about every step I took through this to try to make sure that when she left that she had zero doubts that I was fully invested in her. You can't, you can't ever capture or understand that. And I get it. We knew coming in. We get that we're breaking odds to try to be a successful couple in this. We've said multiple times. We wish we met in a bar. That would have been

the more ideal situation. But we haven't, and we would have never met each other if it wasn't for this. So for that, we are so grateful. And now we're just doing our best and navigate a very weird situation. A very, very weird situation. But that's what my dad said. And I think that it, like, your dad. My dad said that.

He was like, don't just say your dad. Put that guy out of back. Buddy Anderson. My mom, right, like, marry your dad. And she's happily married for 40 years. I'm like, mom, take a chill. He said that to you. He was like, y'all would have never met otherwise.

I'm so happy for y'all. I'm so glad that you did this. And he was like, and you got out with Joey. And he was like, y'all would have never met otherwise and you all seem amazing together. So I don't know, that made me really happy. The key word in all of us, I think, is perspective. You have to try to change your mindset to understand that you can always find the wrong things in this. But if you can get the right perspective and be grateful for how this actually happened, there's good things that come from it. So we've just been trying to have a good perspective. It's the perfect disposition. We're going to get into what's now and how you're navigating it. But before we do, I want to ask you, you've just mentioned a bunch of times

like how this has changed your life, like how grateful you are, how amazing it's been and thank God for it. But you'd look at a situation like what we're seeing from your season, right? You have Maria and Daisy who are offered the opportunities who've explained in depth why they passed. My question to you then is at any capacity or any time when you were offered the bachelor, did you think for some of the reasons we've heard recently, did that ever cross your mind or for you was it like this is for me i'm in no 100 percent i i definitely question if i was going to do it did you yeah i i what was the biggest factor i think to be fully transparent the success rate was scary i think that i am smart enough to realize that i i question how can

i actually have a very strong relationship if i'm going to be trying to figure out the relationship on tv she's going to have to look back and watch it i think another big part of it is leads usually get very scrutinized in this position and I didn't want to be in that spot where I guess I kind of came unscathed from charity season. Like I obviously was just myself and I felt really lucky that I was able to portray who I was and fully give everything I could. So to get back into that world again and be under that spotlight, all that was scary. So I don't think anyone, if anyone was in my role and was doing it and so they didn't think about it or seem like it wasn't a good idea, I think they're lying to themselves because you have to. You know what?

And I don't have any of this prepared now. Now that you're saying this, it's jogging my memory, when you and I talked. We did. We talked about that. And what I think we first said was they haven't picked, like, the fan favorite that people want to be the bachelor. And I think I've quoted to you since Ben. And I think we talked and we were like, but what happened to Ben? Ben was the perfect guy in the Bachelorette.

And of course, everyone knows was the great bachelor, like one of the best. But we talked about, they still with the season, I think it was titled The Perfect Ben, like a Perfect Ten, and how it kind of set it up like, there's going to be some drama here. So I remember saying, I don't think that they're even, I don't know if they're going to pick me. And even if they do, I kind of did one show. And I got out on Skades, I wanted to do another. And you did it. You defied all odds. I did my best. I have said it publicly, the greatest bachelor of all time. You have dealt with, I would say. Every bachelor that's gone on this show has like, they come out with warrior wounds. Yeah. I would say you got paper cuts at best. You have had a good run, my man.

I was very lucky. I think I came out probably as good as you could. But at the end of the day, the reason why I think I'm the lucky is because I'm with her. That's always what I said. It's the truth. My goal is always been, it is so true. My goal has always been if I was going to do this, I was so scared I wasn't going to have a real connection. I was so scared that I wasn't going to be able to like feel.

confident enough in the end to get engaged. And I had zero doubts on that day. And I wanted that feeling fully because I know how important that is. And that was the reason why I was like, I have zero regrets. This was the best decision I ever made. To have that feeling on that last day is the most important thing. And that's scary in its own right, because you don't pick these people. You don't do anything. You just show up and you just hope that they're going to have that feeling. And the fact that I brought me Kelsey, I mean, that's, that is the reason why I feel like I was lucky as bachelor. That is beautiful. And it's so pure. One thing I was going to ask you, I've never asked you this before.

And you could just say pass on this one, honestly. Okay. Spoiler. Joey gets off the season, we talk, and he's like, you're going to love her. She's amazing. You're going to know from the second. I knew from that. Like, you were very confident.

If people knew before and you watched it, you would have saw how much Kelsey was there from the beginning for sure. That's how you had mentioned it to me. One thing I ever asked you was, like you saw a season like Claire Crawley, where with her and Dale, she was like, I'm done. It's over. You just said, you just had one of the purest moments you two had was behind the scenes at Fantasy Suite in that deep conversation. But was there ever going to be a Claire Crawley moment here where you were like, I'm done with the show. I got my girl. Let's wrap this up.

If I would have to guess, I would say every season there is probably a Claire moment. I would say every season there is a moment where the lead is pretty sure that they know who it is maybe midway through. but then you have to be realistic because there are so many important factors that are set up to the credit of the show that you need to go through. There's no way I could have ended it without her meeting my family.

And you can't do that to the end. There's no way I could have done it until I saw her family and seen how we had a dynamic. So it is difficult when you feel as strong as you do and then you're trying to keep your mind open when you feel strong about someone. But on top of it,

you would be doing a disservice to everyone that's there, a disservice to the whole process of this if you don't at least see every step out. And I struggled with it because it is difficult to bring other people along while you're trying to figure that out. But I did the best I could. I tried my best to be

honest through it. I think everyone saw that. But it would be wrong to end it early without doing the most important things, which is family to me. And those come at the end. Perfectly said. Yeah, I don't think that if you would end it early and tried to get engaged middle of time, like you would have had to meet my family. Like I don't think that I could have

like said yes to an engagement unless you know my family and I got that like yes like I love I love you so much and all this but also it's like my family means so much to me as well you know in their opinion does matter a lot I had to I asked I asked Mark's hand I really asked for her hand through Mark and like I had to do that so yes for Mark's hand I asked for Mark. We all ask it for Mark Anderson's hand I'm looking right in that camera I would ask for Mark Anderson's hand as the sweetest man that's ever existed. Yeah, this guy's just taking over the whole podcast. But honestly, I think Claire's great and Dale's great.

I've got to meet them both individually, but also you look at that situation. They did that. And with what you just said, that's obviously not the process they went through and it didn't work out for them. So, like, perfectly said, perfectly said. All right. So you guys finish the show. Congratulations.

Your in love. Life is good. We're done with the bachelor drama. Let's get into real life here. Joey, you got pretty much 99.9% of things going for you. But if I read like any negative comments out there, which was next to nothing, one of them's like, what the hell is this dude just like live with his sister? Like, what are we doing here?

So you finish. You live with your sister. But by the way, she is way cool. She's way cooler than you. She's better than me. She's amazing. What is it called cooler, cooler older sister syndrome or something like that? You're only cool if you have a cooler older sister.

So every part of me is accredited to Carly. She's a beautiful. fun, Kai, way cooler than you. Yeah, I'm surprised the show didn't find her for you, honestly. I bet you they wish they did. And by the way, the brother-in-law's an absolute gem. He's all. Absolutely.

Yeah. It's funny. And Zach and I are so similar. And Carly and Joey are so similar. We're like, it's so funny. Like, Zach and I have the same humor and everything. And they're more chill, but so fun. I love it.

That's beautiful. All right. So we finish the show. I don't let you tell Kelsey, I live in my sister's basement. I'm just got the upstairs room. I'm just messing around. Kelsey, you're in New Orleans. How many roommates do you have?

Two. Okay, you have two roommates. You obviously have to think not only like personally what we're doing, but you think a professionally future outlook. You decide to go to New Orleans at this time. Walk me through what that decision looked like and why. Yeah, I was still working. And so I was like, you know, I got to go back to my, like,

I'm not quitting my job. And he was just living with his sister. So I was like, you can move in with me. I had a really, I have a very big room. And my roommates were all in. They're like, we can't wait to get to know. Joey and it's kind of like a new girl situation. Yeah, I'm on a, I'm on a like comedy sketch right now. I feel like I'm, I'm full on in a new girl situation. There's three girls

and one Joey. I'm just like sitting there in the middle of all. He's got Roman. He's a modern day friends. Yeah. This is a madden as a madger. I'm like, film this. It's funny when their boyfriends are over too. We're just like, it really feels like friends. It's a great atmosphere to walk into. I do think people forget that in my situation, like moving to my sisters was strategic. I was living in Hawaii. There's no way I could be living there with the amount that I was going to be doing with press going from New York to L.A. So I was like, I need to either go find a new place or I have to get into a place that's going to let me be able to travel pretty easily on the mainland. So Carly was amazing. So was Zach. They just opened up their home to me

and pretty much made their guest room, Joey's room. And that was awesome. But for her side, Like, when you go on the show, you have to remember that they come on knowing that you have a one and 32 chance of getting engaged. I was literally doing the statistics like every single week. Like, oh, I have this percent like odds of like making it. You talked about that in your first book. You gave me that whole breakdown when I won the Bachelorette. So for her side, it would have been wrong of me to be like, we need to get you out of what your life was because she dropped her whole life to be a part of this. And I knew that regardless of what was going to happen, my life was going to have to change

and go somewhere else. Yeah. So it was a no-brainer to do New Orleans. So your, you then, your residence right now is in New Orleans. Yes. Okay. And then so you are in a three-bedroom place. It's four-bedroom.

Four-bedroom. And then you two share, I guess, we get in the numbers here. So four-bedroom, you share a room then. Yep. But we share room, yeah. And do you have, like, where's all your, do you have storage? Yeah, I have a huge closet. She's an interesting.

She's got a huge closet. Huge closet has 90% of her clothes in it. I got like a little. I cleared out a lot for you. I think if you looked on my Instagram, I had a Joey corner in the basement pretty much. No, in our spare room, we had a lot of like storage stuff there.

Carly and Zach's been great. Like, I still have a lot of my stuff there. Yeah. Because we've been going to Philly so much. Yeah. He's traveling that. His winter clothes are in Philly.

They don't need to be in New Orleans. So you got storage of Philly too. Yeah. Four bedroom. What do you pay for rent? I pay with utilities probably like $1,200. Okay. Yeah.

So you guys are lit. This is the most. like humble thing in the world. They guys are sharing the bedroom and the closet in New Orleans with your three other roommates. We're going to get into what you do professionally before we do. You tell your other three roommates that America's sensation, Joey, is not my fiance, and he's moving in with us.

Yeah. What are they like? What do they say? What's the dynamic like? They were so excited. How many bathrooms are there? There's three. Okay.

We're sharing a bathroom with our friend Hannah. Hannah. Hannah's very clean. She's great. though, like, honestly, I think it makes sense to be annoyed because we have been traveling so much. It's like, that's our base. It's like our closet right now because we've been traveling so much. Like, that's just like where our clothes are. We were we unpacking and repack to go to the next place right now. We can share one story of how crazy it's been in this month

alone was that we, again, it goes back to Mark. God bless that man's soul. He drove us all the way from St. Louis. Can we just make Mark like the next back? I feel like we just stop the bachelor. He doesn't even be making the bachelor. Just make him. Just make him. I know. I know. Just put them in there. But he drove us all the way from St. Louis to New Orleans, the kindest thing ever. And then we get there, I think it was at 12 o'clock. It was midnight, yeah. We got there at midnight, and we had to get in a car for a New York City event with ABC at 4 a.m.

So that was our last stint in New Orleans in May was we had four hours. Four hours to unpack and repack. We literally got to her room, unpacked one back because we were coming from Hawaii in a wedding. So I unpacked the suit, the swimsuits. put in stuff for a New York City event and then we had a wedding in New Jersey then we went to Portugal and then Philly

and we've been living out of a suitcase this month so it's definitely I think we went to New Orleans and that our goal is to be able to spend a little more time there for sure I do feel like this is like literally a sitcom here like you two in a place with three like three of your girlfriends

are they single or they date I don't know why I'm so interested They both have boyfriends but do they want to know what they're like tell us about your life We want to know everything. Like, do they, like, want to know everything? I mean, literally whenever I am home, like, I was home before we came here and Joey was gone.

But, like, Hannah, my, she's one of my best friends. And Claire, like, as well, she's one of my best friends. Literally, we were just, like, hanging out 24-7. Like, Hannah was just in my room nonstop. Asking all the questions. Want to know everything. We weren't even talking. It's just like, we love being around each other and each other's presence.

And, like, sometimes she's asking questions. She's like, oh, yeah, what about this? It was funny. Joey was joking earlier about me. me asking Hannah all the questions, whenever I first got there. I literally asked for like five questions within like four seconds. Yeah. Didn't even give her a chance.

I didn't even give her a chance to. I was like, oh, this. Oh, this, this, this is this. And then she's like, uh, oh, uh, like. Yeah, it's, I think the main thing is, is we just been moving so much that it's definitely a quick catch-up every time. So then you're going to New York City timeline. When are you moving to New York City?

Yeah, we'll work. I wanted, I've always wanted to live there. I joke. I'm like, I feel like it's like, I've watched too much. in the city or something, where it's just like it was always a dream of mine. Too many like 90s rom-coms or something. Get ready, you know, I'm like, I've always wanted. Sex in the city. No, I mean, we were really excited for New York. I would always say that when I was doing press, I would go back between New York and L.A. and I thought New York was amazing. And it's close to family

for me. So we know that's where we want to end up and do a few years there. We're not sure exactly when yet. We know that we're going to be leaving New Orleans sometime in August. We're trying to get a little bit of an idea of what we're going to be doing after that. Sure. So it's up in the air, but I think I would be shocked that by the end of this year, we're not living in New York. So in the next six months, the goal is to be there. Okay.

So sometime by end this year, we'll definitely be in New York. My lease ends in like end of July, though. Yeah. Okay. So we might have some in between stuff. We're still trying to figure it out because, again, we have so much going on right now. But if we're not living in New York by Christmas time, I'd be pretty shocked. Okay.

So my natural question is then, if you moved to New Orleans, because Kelsey had a job and you're now going to New York City because your lease ends, what is going on with your job? Yes. This is my unemployment announcement. She has no job now. Yeah, I had to quit. We just been so busy. I felt like it wasn't fair to my job, you know, juggling between all of this and not being able to focus on the project that was at hand. So I ended up quitting. My boss was very kind about it all. And she was like, if you ever want to come back, please let us know. But yeah, whenever we moved to New York, I plan on picking back up project management, because I just love, I love what I do. Okay.

But talk to me about this. So you guys are traveling a lot. There was, you know, this whole world. I remember what you and I had talked, you're like, I don't know about all this. Like, it's a lot. But so now tell me about like, what are you, when you think about the professional side, the financial side, also what people might not know about you is like how, at least is my interpretation, you're very analytical.

You're a planner. Yes. Like you're, you know, you have comfort in knowing financial stability. Yes. you think about this stuff thoroughly. I would say majority of people that I meet, especially they come off the show and all these things come, do not think like that. So that is, it's a kudos to you. But for you then to quit your job, obviously, I'm like, I don't imagine you're thinking through this pretty thoughtfully. So talk to me about like what the professional

career side was like for you to be like, okay, I'm going to take the leap of faith. And what does that look like? I think the leap of, I don't know. I feel like, I mean, part of it was that Joey was like, no matter what, like I'll help you if you need help in any sense. but which, you know, gave me a little bit of financial security because I was like, oh my God, am I just going to like, what am I going to do for these couple months of, you know, all this craziness? Because also it's like I was on the show for two months. I had to pay rent and all this stuff where I wasn't getting paid for two months.

And then I went back to work and then it was, you know, I was like, it almost all like I was catching up with like my finances in my mind. I do like, I like to like invest and do things like that. But it's like with like actual, I feel like liquid cash. It's like it's stressful for me. It's like I feel like I need to have like. like a certain amount to feel secure financially. Is it for you, like, when you think about it's like you need a month of expenses,

two months or is it a certain dollar amount? Like how in your brain has? Yeah, I think it's like a certain amount of months where it's like that would make me feel good. So what is what makes you comfortable? Like how many months do you want saved ideally? At least like three. Okay.

Yeah. At least. I think that's a good number. Yeah. Because it's, well, with the show and stuff, you know, that was two months on its own. And then also you have to buy all these dresses and all the clothes and all these things. And it was dressing me out. But thankfully, I have amazing friends.

And we had a packing party and they all brought clothes over. And they helped me like pick out all my outfits. And we literally had like my iPad and like all these like pictures of my outfits on the iPad. Like a slide show like kind of thing where we're like these are all my outfits. And it was really fun. It's adorable. Yeah. It's like.

Packing party. Yeah. And they all cried. They were like acting like I was going to war or something. I was like I'll be back in a week. Yeah. It was so funny. But but yeah, I don't know.

I don't know, what's the question? Well, just about, just about, like, what's next in the decision? You left your job. For someone who's like you, that's a planner, like, that's a big move. Well, now I think they were open to like all this like new world stuff to me where it's like, you know, the brand deals and things where those are really exciting. And especially if it's something that, you know, we feel passionate about. I think that's what I feel is like I'm not going to like represent a brand that like I don't actually, you know, use. Yeah, yeah, for sure.

But so you're taking a leap of faith then, say, like, let's, let's give it a shot. How long are you giving yourself? And Joey's my security blanket. Joey's a good security blanket to have. What is, like, give me, give me like a timeline when you think about the career of the finance, like, okay, I'm going to give this a shot. Because I'm so sick and tired of the people I see sometimes in your comments, be like, oh, what do you just travel for a living? You do this. You do that.

It's such projection. It's like you, like, it's very clear out there that there's a huge career and financial opportunity. Yeah. When you're in this space. Yeah. If you don't see it now, wake up, it's 2024. It is what it is. And stop projections and where's your job?

Well, they're giving something a shot. When you think about it, especially as a planner and a project manager, like you're managing this project. How long of a runway are you giving yourself before you're like, I'm going to test it. I'm going to try it. And if this doesn't work out, I'm going back to project management. Yeah, I would say, well, I mean, I want to go back to project management regardless.

I always want that security blanket. I want that career, like, for me, regardless. unless if it's like full time or part time because with like the opportunities that come. But I would say like if I don't fully like it after six months, like I'd probably quit. Six months to a year. I think that I would like if I do if it doesn't feel right for me like, yeah. Okay. Six months to a year.

Yeah. We're going to have to have it on your part two in 12 months from now. We're into a state of the union. How is the business of Kelsey Anderson going? All right. All right. Joey, you got a lot going on here. You go on the bachelor.

You become the bachelor. the most successful bachelor in a long, long time. Now you've got the wind of your sales. What does it look like? Do you think, are you thinking, you know, are you thinking tennis? Are you thinking, like, where's the direction of your career going? Like, what's it look like in your brain? The true answer is, I don't fuck now.

Fair. It's very interesting to be in this position because as much as you can try to prep yourself for it, because you go and you're the bachelor and you're like, okay, like, this is going to bring opportunity. Everyone talks to you about it from all sides, from people that have. been on the show from people that weren't on the show for people that are in the show they're like what do you think you want to do with this and you never prep yourself before to like actually think if I ever get a platform what am I going to do with it at least I was never in that position I never

thought that I would be in this spot so for me my brain goes in so many different places tennis is given so much to me I think I'd be crazy not to have tennis be a part of my life but also that is something I can always pick back up at a later time because I put so much energy into it so that's somewhere goes, I love doing this. I love podcasts. I love talking to people. I love engaging with people. I think tennis was like a vice for me at the end of the day to be able to connect with people. So that gets me excited. I love sports. I'm like, maybe I go try and get into the sports broadcasting side of things. So your brain goes in so many places. But for me right now, the end of the day is I'm open and I have no idea what I'm doing yet. And I'm trying to

enjoy this time. But I am not as analytical as Kelsey, but still on that. that side of, man, this is weird not knowing what's coming next. Just because I'm okay right now doesn't mean that I really want to just get comfortable. Yeah. So I battle with it and I'm working through it because, yeah, I don't like the idea of technically being unemployed for the last year. Like, that's weird. That's the longest time of my life because I am employed. Yeah. But I'm not at the same time too. Right. This was this like a kind of, we could take this out if you want, but this was a conversation you had, I think it was a month ago. You were talking about You're like, I don't know what's next.

I'm freaking out a little bit. Like what's in, I think the basis that if you took the root of our conversation, and I think Kelsey, you and I have had this one too. It's like, where is my identity? Like, how do I connect my identity? Because professional life dictates a lot of our other endeavors. And I also, I said, Joey, where is this coming from? And you said, well, I'm starting to hear a lot of feedback about, like,

what do you travel for a living? And now it's getting in my head. I don't know. So it's all right. Take this slow, like hit the brakes. I said, financially, has it been a pretty good year for you? The last 12 months, you're like, probably the best I've had. Okay. Did you find, like, the love of your life?

Yeah. Does America love you right now, Joe? And you're like, no, stop. I'm like, all right, well, I'll say it. America loves you. Okay, so now you have a platform. You have the best thing that's happening, which is Kelsey. You've made more money than you made in a while.

You have the wind that you're back. I'm like, so what's the actual problem? And I think you came full circle and you're like, I think there actually isn't. It's just all these people that are like expecting this something for me. And I feel like I don't have an answer. So my question is, as you're thinking through this and people that are listening and maybe some people are listening that also are in your comments? Like, what do you travel for a living?

Are you just going to be an influencer? Like, what's your response? Because of course you're not going to just go into a comment and be like, no, like what's both of your responses to when you think about your professional side and people, are saying these things, how do you respond? What does it look like? I don't know. I like to ignore it more than anything else. But to answer your question when you always say like, what's your problem about it? I don't think my problem is now. Now's fine. My problem is thinking about what's three to five years. Yeah. That's my problem. Because I know that this is this is a moment. And I'm happy with it

being a moment. We both kind of are okay with it being that way. Like we don't want this identity of being on this show to be our life, but we understand that we have people that have at least now been introduced to our lives, know who we are, and invested. And we want to be able to continue to be ourselves and see if we can take something from this. Because as you said earlier, like, you'd be foolish not to think about all the opportunities that come with it. So I think that I just think of trajectory. I think of trying to make the most of this. And my brain goes immediately, as I always do, I think 20 steps ahead. And I shouldn't because right now, if I just stay present, life's amazing. I should be the happiest person ever. And I am in some ways, but I'm not in

others because I start thinking about the future. Yeah. Well, I think so many people will try and shame and blame you because you're doing something that maybe not many people get the opportunity to do or they have an expectation that you should do it one way or that you should move in a certain direction. But a lot of it's external longing from their end or resentment that you have something they don't. And I think that's a perfect answer. Like just live in today. And if you don't have the perfect answer at a bar of what do you do or what you can do in three, five years, that's fine. Right now you're in a place where professionally and financially, and also personally, you get to, like, live a little bit of a dream. So live it.

And what happens, happens. And if two years from now, you've got to go back and you're a project manager and your tennis pro, then you did it. And you have the best memories in the world. And if this takes you somewhere else and you don't have to, then you figure that out that. But it's so many people like to just slime you with their shit and then try and have them dictate your direction. And I love that you're like, no, this is what we're going to do now. See how it goes, six months to a year and have reevaluate. There's one more thing because it's just on this and I want you to speak on it.

But there was a video I saw the other day that I keep going back to. And it's people that live in the past are depressed, people that live in the future, anxious, people that live in the present are happy. Oh, I love that. That's the idea. And I think I'm living in the future and I'm anxious because of it right now. That's what it is? When we bring you back to the present, what mortgage do you like? So I'm trying so hard to live in the present. I'm not worried about the past anymore, but I think I'm anxious because I'm thinking about the future right now.

So I'm trying to get in the present. I'm sorry, go ahead. No, I was just going to say, like, how you said, like, there's comments of like, oh my gosh, like, how are you all affording all this? I was like, I've never had so many people be so concerned about my finances. It's like, it's kind of nice, actually. I was like, well, thank you for that. I was like, actually. But I don't know why I think that that's so funny.

But I think that I think for the most part, I do think that people are like actually just like asking the question. And like, I think that for the most part it comes from a good place. I do think that a lot of times people are like, you know, just they're confused. Like they don't understand this world. And neither do I fully. So it's like we're on the same page, you know, like Rebecca or whoever you are. Like it's like we're on the same age. I don't know what's going on you.

Let me ask you this. Okay. So I'm going to dig in that just for a second and then I want to go into a fun little game I have. But okay, they're asking about your financial future. Spoiler, a lot of these trips are paid for. Some of them are not, okay? I'll tell you don't say anything. And a lot aren't. But right now, you guys have been very intentional with what you're going to do and how you're going to do it. And you're very intentional about not jumping into brand deals and immediately like monetizing. It's very thoughtful and it's smart. But the way you're doing it also is decreased. saying cash inflow today, right? Do you at all feel, and I know you guys both have saved and you've had some opportunities, but do you feel any type of financial stress right now or are you not feeling any type of financial stress? It's where like when people say these questions, like how are you affording it? You can either answer that, like how are you forwarding it or are you feeling financial stress or not? I would say, honestly, if we combine our financials together, we are not stressed at the moment. But I think that most importantly, as we keep talking about if you think three to six months ahead maybe we will be right so like we won't but

we won't but i think it's more along the lines of that we if you if you think about if we get no more cash flow coming in through some of the time right yeah we're fine but i i i know that we're making peanut butter sandwiches back at carlie's that's our safety no we're fine right now and we're open to see what's coming, but I think it's more about that we want to make sure that we're going to set ourselves up here. But also, we both are very capable of like, you can work at a tennis job and I can work back. Tomorrow. You can go back. I think the trajectory is going to be huge and exciting, but you know what? We'll see what that looks like. Let me ask you this. If either you could be on, we look at the future, late career opportunities, you've been on reality shows. You've both done one

on reality shows. You could be on one reality show, more of a rapid fire question. Kelsey, you'll start with you. One reality show. What reality show would you be at? I would say maybe Big Brother just because I like competition. I like competitiveness. You'd kill it because you would kill the social game and you would kill the strategy game, I feel like. I feel like I'd just be friends with everybody. For anybody that doesn't know,

like if Kelsey goes into bars, you meet 100 people, all 100 people are going to love it up. It's literally your personality. Immediately. Approachable, down to earth and funny is all hell. What show would yours be? I'm going to do something completely different.

Throw a curb up. I'll go Survivor just to be watching that a ton of stuff. I didn't see that. Yeah. We've been watching it just the last couple of days. I got a buddy back home that's obsessed with the show, too. But I don't know. I just would love to go into that and see how I would do it.

That's all. Like, I just would love to see what it would be like to be stuck on an island. And I just think it's one of those shows when you think about that the format has been so successful for so long because it's just genius. It's just great. Yeah. You just vote people. You know, like, you live in a life. You're like not a shoes guy.

You want to be basketball. You want to be on Earth and see like sphere of fish and be like, I'm going to last another. they would kick him off early because they're like his social game's too good. No, yeah. You would be deadly. I'd like that show. We'll play a little game.

Two notepads, two pens. You can't see each other's answers. Part of it is going to be finance. The other part of it, oh, Luna's in the house. Luna. The other part of it is going to be U.S. history. U.S. history.

Joey needs a little restart. And my first book was called the restart roadmap. We can talk about this. All right. History question number. one. This is Kelsey versus Joey trading secrets with Luna is our sidekick. Luna. Here's question number one, Joey, because the RBG struggle was real. So we need to come back from that. Here we go. We've got some layups. Write it down right now. Who was our

first president? You got five seconds. Five, four, three, two, two, one, hurry up. Who was our first president? Kelsey, answer. What is that? George Washington. Oh, my God. Is that? Wait, wait, verify. Let me see. I don't even know if that's the camera. Is that Barry? That's George Washington. We're going to let it go. Okay. All right.

Question two. You guys each pass one point. Who is our current vice president? Our current? Current vice president. U.S. history with Joey and Kelsey 101. I know her name, wait. Oh, no, Kelsey.

Why don't I want to say? I met her. I know. She's a sweetheart. Joey's got it. Harrison. Wait. You got Kamla?

You got Kamla? It's Harris. now. Harrison, okay. You just added a couple letters. You got it's okay. Kamala Harris. We're going to call it one. The score right now is 1.95 to 2.0. All right. Why don't I want to say Pamela? If you said Pamela Anderson, we would have ended it right now. You're still at Barstool from last night. All right. Let's keep this going. How many states are there? Oh, nice. They both look confident. Kelsey go. Now that Joey nailed it. All right.

Here, this is the front. This is we're getting a little more challenging here. Here we go. Joey is ahead right now. Last question. When was the Declaration of Independence adopted? Oh, this is more. I'm going to mess up. I think it was everyone wrong? I'm pretty girl.

I don't know if it's an answer. Give it a chance. I have no idea. I think it's either 1896, 1886. 17-something. You guys did so good. What do we celebrate in July? Nicholas Cage, help me.

What do we celebrate in July? Oh, you meant me. Fourth of July, July, July 4th, 1776. So I had the six. All right. I love it. All right. If you change this to a seven, 1776, 1886, that's not that far off. All right. Well, let's get it to this. We got to cut this out. We're going to know, we're going to hope you guys could do money better than you could do U.S. history. We probably won't, but we're going to try. We just have a few minutes. Go right now. Don't let one another see. This is connects to my book. Talk money to me. you're going to be cohabitating and hopefully here married soon. I know you guys are taking your

time, but I'm excited for that wedding when it does happen. First question. One, yes or no, do you know one another's credit score? And if so or if yes, what do you think it is? Do you want me to play your credit score out there? No, it's right. Put it out. I'm not going to do it,

but I'm just going to say yes. And I'm going to say, I'm not putting Kelsey. You and I need to have a financial talk. I'm just my credit. It's because my credit age. She doesn't have credit cards. doesn't have credit cards. Oh, okay. Okay. So she doesn't have any credits. We'll talk about this in a second. What's your answer? Do you know the credit score? Yes or no? You don't have to share the credits. I think I know hers. I don't think she knows mine. Okay. Okay. What do you think? Do you know his credit

score? Yes. Okay. What do you know her credit score? I think she's right on. I think she's like 660. I think she's like 660. Okay. You and I're going to talk offline. And then we're going to have a recap. We're going to talk about credit scores. Biggest thing with credit scores, no one should ever. First of all, you can, in just 90 days, that can go up. We'll talk about it. And no one should shame a bad credit score. I know people with four or five hundred credit scores, they're multi-millionaires. It's like, I've always paid. I've always paid on time. I've always done all these things that I'm supposed to do, but it's my credit age where it's like, I didn't get it until I was 22. Of course. And I'm 26. Yeah. And mine, mine, I was at 7.30 and I went on

the show and I had a payment from a credit card that I didn't answer for two and a half months. And I got, I drop like 80 points. What the fuck. But that's a payment. But that's a payment. But that's, my biggest thing. And then I was like, now I'm just like, I have like four new credit cards. I'm just spending as much money as possible. And that shit gets going up. We're doing, we're doing our job again. But God damn Vemmo credit card. I bought, I bought like something online for a hundred bucks and never paid off. I went on a TV show and I come back and my credit scored bomb. You're like, I'm America's sweetheart. I can't even get an apartment building. A fight goes villain in America's sweetheart.

Say, the good thing about credit, just as quick as it drops, it can improve. So that's a good thing. Okay. What's one thing that Kelsey? What's one thing that, Joey overspends on. You know that they overspend on it. Go, what is it? What is something Joey overspends on? Let me just do a little bit of this and that's all you need to know. What things she overspends on?

I'm going to throw five exclamation points on this. Okay, Kelsey, you clearly got a softball here. Golf is the easy sense. Close. Do you agree with it? This girl has so many clothes. She just goes and she's like, I need more. I'm like, no, you don't.

She's like, I have no outfit this weekend. Okay, as you're cohabitating, what's the big, if I give you right now, If I give you $10,000, Kelsey, do not have to write this down. You have to spend 24 hours where you're spending it. Go, don't even think. Go. Just say it. What do you think?

Where are you going? Where are you going? Close. Okay, I'll give you 10 grand right now. Joey, where you spend it on? I'm taking all my boys on the best golf trip. Okay, so it's golf. So hang on, quick little lesson here.

I have a time with my girlfriends. Yeah, good. No, here's the thing, right? I'm coming at you here. If her priority, if it's her number one priority is close, let it be closed. Yeah. Just because yours is golf. I don't mean close is wrong.

just because his golf doesn't mean that golf is wrong. I really don't think you, like, it's fun crazy. It's just like, that's the most. But it's not bad. We have two things that we're obsessed with. I don't spend money on this. I'm not bad. On the priority list, number two, three, and four, if you write your priority list,

obviously close is one for you. Golf is one for you, but then you go two, three, and four. Then that's where you're like, you kind of give you, got to give each other's shit. Because like if the first thing makes you that happy, you spend on it, don't worry about. But like number two, three, four, five, that's where you want to adjust it. Yeah. Okay, here we go. Let's do this one.

Monthly expenses. What do you think the total monthly expenses are? I'm going for hers. You're guessing her total monthly expenses. We'll start with you, Kelsey. Kelsey, what do you think Joey's total monthly expenses are? I think it's $5,000. $5,000.

What is it? Do you think? I would say right now it's probably been around that. Wow, nailed it. What do you think Kelsey's is? I was going to go like $2.5K. $2.5K? I'd say that's right.

Wow, you guys nailed it. We've talked about this stuff. We have some good financial transparency going into it. All right. Well, time is ticket. here. So I'm going to let you guys off the hook easy. I'm not going to get into net worth or things like that, but we'll have that conversation offline. You got to talk money before you move into one another, but we'll wrap this episode of trading secrets with one trading

secret. So we've got to get one trading secret from you, Kelsey, one from you, Joey. You can't learn it from a professor. You can't learn it from a TikTok tutorial or a YouTube. You can only learn it from your career and life lessons. It could be a money tip. It could be a life tip. It could be just a quote that means something to you, anything, but it's a trading secret that's special to your experience. Who wants to go first? I'll go first. Joey, give us your choice. For me, I think that tennis has been such a beautiful job for me. I have been so lucky to meet so many successful people because usually the people that are at

clubs, country clubs, at resorts, they're people that are very well off. It is amazing when you get them in these atmospheres, how much the last thing they want to talk about is their job. So my tip is more try to connect with people about everything outside of what they do for a job. Oh, I love it. Because when you go on vacation, it happens most of the time. That's the last thing they want to talk about. And if you can try to connect with them on something otherwise, the most successful people in the world are going to drop walls that they probably have not dropped before.

I love it. Don't judge a person by their title or their job. Get to know them past that. Great trading secret. One we haven't had before. I love it. I subscribe to it. Kelsey, what do you got?

I don't know. I think it's something maybe that I've learned recently of just that the opinion. that matter are your friends and family, the people that actually know you and not like the outside noise, you know, people that don't know you. You know, they only see you for what you post and what, you know, is perceived, but there's so much more to you and, you know, to just, what matters is your friends and families' opinions and the people that matter to you. That's a good point. I know there's, I know it's a little bit lately. There's been a couple of those moments. And I think that's such a good learning lesson that when those other people are saying those nasty things yeah that's not a

reflection of you it's a reflection of them yes and what matters is right next to you exactly right so perfectly said that's a great trading secret all right for anyone that sleeps under a rock and can't find you guys or don't know who you are and they're only finding out through this podcast where can they find you at joey grazda on instagram can we give me a little more z yeah joie glatsia yeah and how we're talking kelsey and i'm um yes i'm underscore kelsey underscore anderson I love it. Well, thank you. Kelsey and Joy, Joey, for coming on this episode, Tray Secrets. We'll have you guys back in six to 12 months from now to see what it looks like. Are you still in the game? Are you back to project management and tennis pro? More to come.

Thank you guys for being on. Thank you. Ding, ding, ding. We are closing in the bell to the Joey and Kelsey episode. It was jam packed. It was almost like a state of the union with Joey and Kelsey. What's next? As they navigate their professional lives. David, curious Canadian, I know you watch the season. I know your fans of both of them. What do you think?

What do you got for me? They're just so damn cute. I mean, they're just so damn cute. Yeah, they're just so genuine. They're so genuine. They're so pure. You just want to squeeze them. But they're, you know, they've done so much media, so much press.

I felt that they felt really comfortable. It was great getting to know them a little bit about their stories. and I think you hit on all the points, Jay. Like, you know them. Did you get that feel like knowing a little bit about them? I think you said exactly what my goal was in this interview. My goal in this interview was to do something different. They haven't done before.

Talk about a subject matter. They really don't talk about another podcast. But most importantly, I think when people come off the show, especially with people like this, they get so much media training and they have to be so, you know, they have to just say the right thing. things and do the right things. And I wanted this to feel like this wasn't about that. It was just like they can let their guard down and not have a media train type interview, just have like real

convo about all things life, professional life, financial life and obviously personal too. Yeah. I mean, the feel that I got from it was you talk a lot about their living situation and the current state of their life, hilarious that they clearly don't need a lot to be happy. I mean, they're living in New Orleans in a four bedroom with three roommates and they're happy. And it felt like this whole podcast was you were one of the roommates kind of catching them in the living room as they're in between adventures, you know, offering a little bit of, you know, a shoulder to talk about and maybe vent and like giving advice when, you know, you felt you needed it. So as a listener, the perspective that I got was really, really unique because like you said,

they've been in so many things. They're on the red carpets. They're at these events. But it was nice to kind of see them be able to take a breath. And Jay, I had no clue the depth of your relationship with Joey. this has got to be the first is this the first person that you knew and had a personal relationship

before they even went on the show, let alone be the lead of a show? That's a good question. I mean, definitely, definitely lead. I mean, I got to know Pilot P right after the season and became buddies before he was the lead, but yeah, definitely lead. And I think so, man, I think so.

And I, you know, I met him through Ian Moore, who you know because we all went to college together. Well, we all know him. He's been on the pod. He's been on the pod before. The Moort brothers have been on the pod before. And the fact that poor Joey and Jason have to deal with Ian Mord on the golf course wearing no shoes on the golf course, which is something, Ian, if you're listening, Peggy, I know you're listening. I can't stand.

I can't stand that Ian doesn't wear golf course, golf shoes on the golf course. What's your quick hot take on that, Jay? You want to know a little news flash? Don't tell me you do it. Joey is Ian Mort on the golf course. No. everything the mannerisms like he'll wear his shoes and stuff but he'd prefer not to the mannerisms the way they play like i even said to rachel the other day who did i say to rachel

i'm like ian and joey with like their mannerisms and stuff even the way they dance i'm like they remind me so much of each other so you know what david i was going to say me and you might have to take them on to v2 but we would have to get a lot of strokes because they're both pretty good you read my mind we need it's like uh the chickless guys do the sandbagger invitational. I would love a David and Jay trading secrets against the trading secrets guests. Joey and Ian on the golf course. They'll go no shoes. We'll go shoes. Strokes. Maybe we'll get some strokes. I prefer the head game route. Let's just get in their head. Do a little chirping. Joy, if you're listening to this, I might, my DMs are open. Okay. Challenge.

Challenge is requested. Let me know if challenges accepted. I love that. I'll fly down a Nashville tomorrow for that baby. I love it. It's out there. We'll make it happen. We'll have to document it. But what else? You got an interesting dynamic here to people that are just so intentional with like where they've gone and how they got to where they are. And so thankful and pure. The love is crystal clear between these two. And I don't know. One of my favorite things is that in all the conversations that related to what's next professionally and even the financial struggles or concerns that they're thinking of, they don't have any today, but they're worried about the foundation, the root of everything. is being aligned personally. And that is what I think is so cool. And that's a testament to the fact

I think these two will make it and will, you know, be an outlier to some of those statistics that we talked about coming from a franchise like The Bachelor. 100%. And what's really unique is I loved his answers to your question about like,

did you ever like question being the lead? And I think his answers were unique because they're a different perspective. Like he actually looked at the success rates. He actually was able to give his perspective before even going on the show of his future fiance having to look back and watch it.

What I think is really interesting is on the success rates. You're kind of seeing a little bit of a new trend, Jay, should I say, maybe in the Bachelor franchise with successful relationships. Zach and Katie,

they're always on my TikTok feed. They're doing great. You got Charity in Docton, I think I'm pronouncing that right. I mean, they're doing fantastic. I know you spent some time with them. And then you got these two here. Now, as you interview them, Jay,

they have such good perspective on life, which is I just love hearing from our guests, no matter, you know, the industry or the, level success. They have such a good perspective of the true meaning and the present version of life. But how many times did their anxieties about the future? And it all is just financial future. It's not their love for one another. It's not where they're going to live. It's their financial future. And I know you're sitting there and you know the industry and they gave insight

on their past jobs and they're still not letting go of that. They still had that in their back pocket and they said they want to give it another six to 12 months. My question to you is, let's say you're their life coach. You're their manager. You're their business coach. What are you telling them to do? And I feel like whatever you're going to say is probably the right thing. So I'm really curious. When you know the industry, what are you telling them to do in your head? Like, what do you just want to blurt out and just answer for them? Well, we sat down.

We talked for a while, right? And there were some things that we talked about. And the first was when it comes to your brand, what do you think in three words people will say about your brand? Exactly what are those three words? And they kind of like we talked a little bit about that. depth. So then we went back to branding. And so, David, think about this. Like, someone that you look up to. It's like who's someone that you look up to or follow or that you're just inspired by

or you just like to watch. They're either their content or their athlete. What would you say? Yeah. Like, let's say Jack's dining room, the food guy. Let's say a bar store with a Chicago. Let's stop there. Stop there. Jack, let's stop there. Stop there. Jack's dining room. In three words, you consume a lot of his stuff. How would you define his brand? entertaining, relatable, and like, I want to be doing what he's doing.

And food, right? Like, so. Oh, yeah. Like, yeah. Right. So instantly, you know it. So then we did that, did this.

So Joey Kelsey, like, how would you define it? And they, like, kind of thought about it. Like, it took him a while. Well, how would you define it before the show? What's interesting is before the show, they nailed it. They're like, oh, this, this and this.

And now they're swimming in this area of, like, trying to figure out what that brand is. So step one is, like, let's identify what that is. is, let's lay into it and let's build it, because that's a long-term plan. That's not like the short-term plan. The other thing I think you would find interesting, David, is I had them rank these in order, these words. When they think about their profession, how do they prioritize these words, one to 11, fame, power, image, impact, longevity, money, respect, lifestyle, passion, freedom,

and happiness. And so I had them go, one through 11, what means the most to them? because what's interesting is the different directions they can go long term is very well connected to the words and how those become a priority. A person I think about is like Michael Strayhan. Like Michael Strayhan has the money. He could have all the freedom he wants in the world. He could do something he's passionate about and have a balanced lifestyle. What does Michael Strayhan do? Every single day, he's up at 5 a.m., reporting to the studio, then going to Fox News, then going to ESPN, and doing it every day. doesn't need another job. He doesn't need another dollar. But clearly to him having that legacy

and, you know, notoriety and, you know, kind of like in a power position, if you will, those are important. Those dictate what he's going to do with his career. And so we talked a lot about that with Joey and Kelsey. But I think in general, if they continue to hone another brand, the only reason that they'll ever have to go back to project management and or tennis teaching is, because it's a passion desire that they want to it wouldn't be connected to finances that is a i was thinking about those 11 words and just going in like you know my head and i'm sure all of our listeners are doing the same i i think joey and kelsey really laid out i think we could all kind of guess from them and who they are what they would do um you know it's just one of those things where you know

you take all the trading secrets that we've had from all of the guests that we've had and i feel like some would just so well apply to them, right? I think that, like you said, they're sitting on the sidelines, waiting for that moment, letting deals pass them as they figure it out. Is there an element that you think they got to just commit and dive into it and test it out? Or what are your thoughts on that? I mean, they got to go all in. But what I loved about Joey's trading secret is it's actually something I know that internally we talked about

and that he's kind of battling with a little bit. His trading secret of like, when you go meet someone, don't talk about what's your job, title or where do you work that has nothing to do with who they are as a person their direction their foundation that's not how you really connect with people and that what we do in this space in this world is we listen to what they do we listen to their title we then create an identity and then we immediately will put them in a certain bucket and i love that that was actually his training see what not to do because i know that he's got all these things that we mentioned the podcast professionally financially and of course personally going for him but he's struggling a little bit with the whole identity thing of

When you go to a bar and someone's like, well, what do you do? And he's like, how much time you got? You know, like, I don't really know exactly. And I think what you think about security and planning and family, this world, this space, while it's like such a blessing, also is very challenging to think about what does it look like in five years? What does it look like in seven years? And even for these two who are brand new to it, they're like, what does it look like

in six months? And that's where I think some of the challenge becomes is that we live our identity through our title, through our job, through our company. and as a result of that when we don't have it anymore and it's like the entrepreneurial space that's where I feel like we get a little loss which then connects to how we act personally and then what do we do financially?

Would you say that there is any translation to happy, successful bachelor couples that have longevity aren't the most popular in terms of some of those words, the fame, the power, the influence the following? Because I feel like, especially recently,

like the three couples that I mentioned, they're not necessarily the most popular, right? They're not necessarily the biggest megastars on Instagram and social media, but they seem at their core to be the happiest. And if you think about a lot of the biggest people from Bachelor Nation that got their fame from being on the show, not a lot of them are still in their relationships from Bachelor Nation. Do you think there's a little bit of a sacrifice to be made there

between those two parameters? It's a great question. I even mentioned it in the... For really good question. I think we talked about a little bit of the podcast, and I think people listening, this can even relate. When your personal foundation isn't the rock of your alignment, then the professional side of it can take over. And if the professional side of it takes over, you start to build cracks in the foundation. And that's so easy for resentment to go in those cracks.

And all of a sudden, it's broken. And I think the root of it is the professional and personal alignment, which actually connects with this entire podcast. And people don't think it does, but it absolutely does. And I also think what's interesting is some of those words. And this is what I told Joey and Kelsey. I was like, when I give you these words, I said fame, I said power, I said image, right? Those are words that we automatically associate negative connotation. And I drilled into them.

I'm like, don't think negative connotation. Because if those are the things that you do want, power and fame and image, there's nothing wrong with it. But it's going to change the direction. But immediately we always associate shame and weaponization. and blame for things that people want because we don't think it's good for them to want it. Now, interestingly enough, spoiler on both Kelsey and Joey's words, power, image, and fame were literally at the bottom, the bottom, right? What they were more interested in is happiness, freedom, passion, lifestyle, respect.

And like, those were their top ones, which is fascinating to me because it's the easiest to gain all those in the space that they're currently going to be in, which is going to be this content creation with also pursuing their interests in the entertainment space in some capacity. A great question, followed up by a great answer. Before I sign off here on my end, I got to say he didn't intend this to be a trading secret, but this whole people who live in the past are depressed, people who live in the future, anxious and people who live in the present are happy, like if that's not a trading secret for anybody out there who's feeling maybe one of those first two emotions and are looking for the happiness, I mean, that hit me like a sack of bricks.

and I loved it. I thought it was a great episode. I feel like I got to know Joey and Kelsey on a better level, a more understanding level. And like you said, when they dive in head first into this social media influencer brand ambassador world, I think that they're going to, I think that they've laid enough groundwork to really do what they want to do

and ease all those financial concerns. So I'll be cheering for them big time. And I also want to say this, Money Mafia, we have a huge group of the Money Mafia with all different interests, right? Some people want the founders, the intricate numbers, and they want to blast. Other people like more trading secrets as it relates to like their life and profession through episodes like this.

Some of the strategy and this was like, okay, they're brand new in this space. The numbers and the decisions and all that's going to come. What we have found is that when we do before and after podcasts, they do extremely successful. So this was more of like a what is the career navigation look like? what are the problems you're dealing with and what do you expect. And when we have them back in about a year from now, we'll be able to get into more of the numbers from the planning and blueprint that they put in place today. Similar to like in a very different way, but like Kyle Cook, right, he came back on. Nick Vial came back on. We've had many guests that have done

part two where we follow up the state of the union of where they're at. So it will be fun to see where these two go. My prediction is it's going to be prosperous, beautiful, fun, and I'm very very excited for their next six to 12 months because I just have a feeling it's going to blossom into another beautiful chapter. Anything before we close, David? No, I'm going to go get some swings in because we got a golf match to win.

Joey, Ian versus David, and I, yes, we will be getting strokes, but with those strokes and our chirping, I expect we'll beat you. And when that happens, you will forever have to wear golf shoes on golf courses, because you both play barefoot.

Anything else, David? I'm good. All right. Give us five stars. We're putting this focus group together. We do have the emails laid out. So you'll be getting an email here shortly. If you still want to join, shoot us an email or give us five stars and put your email in the five stars.

And thank you for tuning into another episode of Trading Secrets. We have Charity and Daugn are coming up. We have so many great guests coming up. David, we got Howie Mendel coming up. The lineup is stacked. So hopefully this was a new. Another episode of Tray's Secrets, one you couldn't afford to miss.