Trading Secrets - 18: The Survivor's Corinne Kaplan has spoken: BTS on spending and so much more!

Episode Date: September 13, 2021

For our monthly reality TV series edition, we discuss all things Money as it relates to being a cast member on ‘Survivor’ and ‘Amazing Race’ before, during and after the show with Corinne Kaplan. For All Access Content - join our networking group for less than 30 cents a day! Host: Jason Tartick Voice of Viewer: David Arduin Executive Producer: Evan Sahr Produced by Dear Media.

The following podcast is a Dear Media production. Welcome back to another episode of Trading Secrets. Today we are discussing the money for cast behind reality TV before, during, and after the show. Now we are moving to the two-time Survivor star, amazing race star, and I know I've done my research people are pulling for the trifecta. They want to see you on Big Brother. We have Corinne Kaplan here. Corinne, thank you so much for joining us. Oh, thank you for having me. And yeah, I would love to do the trifecta, but no one has done that. So I highly doubt I'll be the first. Why not be the first? Why can't you be the first? I think, you know, I'm actually reading your

bio here. And from the CBS before season, this is how they described you. I think you'd be the perfect first. Pharmaceutical sales, Corinne Kaplan takes great pride in being able to manipulate the people around her. As a pharmaceutical sales rep, this smart and sexy self-described bitch is in it purely for the money. I mean, is that an accurate statement by that? Yes, but that was my first season. So that was when I was like 27 and I'm, you know, still 27 on dating apps, but not really 27 anymore. So I am now a medical executive. So I have even better manipulation tactics. Wow, but all the other describing words are right now. Oh, yeah. I'll stick. I stand by the bitch and I only was doing it for the money. That's true. And you know what? It sounds like a good idea because it's like in that case, it was a one in

18 shot for a million dollars. When you really break down how much money you lose by taking time off work or in my case, quitting your job, if you don't win that million, it's quite an expensive venture. Wow. I want to get into all that based on that description. I think for sure, uni, I'm right here right now. We're putting it out there. Get you to Big Brother. Be trifect. It sounds like you'd be the perfect fit. Before we get into some more questions here, just so you know, I got my buddy. He's my wingman, David, lifelong friend. He's going to come in. he is we already told you he's the bad cop here so he'll come in he's the chirp guy so be prepared for when he comes in because he comes in hard but something tells me he'll be just fun all right so

I want to get into you get into reality TV you already kind of alluded to it that you quit your job so first of all why did you quit your job what was the decision process in that and what were your expectations going in and coming out of survivor yeah so I'm sort of an interesting person in that I was a recruit I had never seen the show I didn't give a shit about the show So basically, I tell this story often, but it's just interesting if you're listening and you're wondering how people get on reality TV. There are a lot of different avenues, but the way that I got on was a very strange one. In randomly, in like 2007, I got a message on MySpace and I had just moved to L.A. And I was, like, as you said, I was a pharmaceutical sales rep. Like, I was doing my

normal job. I had no interest in going on reality TV at all. And I got this message that said like, hey, we're in the final stages for casting a season of Survivor. They weren't even like, they said the actual word, survivor. We're interested in people within your age range, like your character, traits, whatever, however they said it, please call this number if you're interested. And by coincidence, my ex-boyfriend is Ethan Zon, and he was the second winner of Survivor Ever, survivor Africa. And so it was like a joke to me. Like, how funny would it be if I could just get on the stupid show that you think is such a big deal you're on? So I call him and I'm like, yo, there's no way this is real, right? And this is before spam and like really the internet became

what we know it to be today. think they knew you were dating him? No, they didn't know I even knew him. Nothing. Totally completely random. We weren't dating anymore. We had broken up by that point. But like we were still friends. And so I, he was living in New York. I was in L.A. and he goes, just call them and demand to speak with Lynn Spilman. She's the head of casting, which again would be like calling the, you know, the White House and asking to speak with the president. Like it doesn't happen. But I was such an asshole about it that like I got the number and I was like, anytime, you know, an intern would answer somebody else, they'd pass me off. I was like, put Lynn Spelman on the phone

or we are done here. And so she got on the phone. and she was like, um, okay, you got me on the phone. So why don't you tell me why you want to be on the show? I go, why would I do that? You sent the email. You got to convince me. You need to see you immediately. That's how I ended up on the show.

But you asked why I quit my job. Honestly, when I went through casting, I kept telling them, which is not what they want to hear, right? They want you, you would do anything. You would give a kidney. Like, you just want to be on the show. Sure. And I was like, I can take it or leave it. You guys need me.

I don't really need you. And so when we got to the end, I kept saying, like, if my work, doesn't let me go. I'm not going because it took a long time. I used to work at a pharmaceutical company and I got transferred from New York to L.A. And it took a long, it took like a year to get that transfers. I wasn't just going to trash my job. Sure. But I will tell you, Lynn, who no longer works in casting for CBS, but she is a Spengali. Like, she was able to convince me. She's like, you're not the CEO. You'll get another job. And like, she just like snaked her way in and was like, it's a one and 18 shot. And you don't believe you could be the person that wins the

million. And so in the end, I did. I quit my job. And so when you quit, your job, the basis of that decision was, I'm making damn good money. I'm 27. I actually like my job, but you're like, I got about 7% chance of winning a million dollars, and to me, that's worth it. So it was strictly a financial decision for it. 100%. I never liked the show. I crashed watched it because I had to learn the rules of the show. Sure. I had a boyfriend. I wasn't looking for love. Like, I was just in it for the money. So Vegas odds, I'm a big Vegas odds guy. Before you go on the show, you roll the dice. You're like, you know what? I got 7% chance. You just told me you never slept outside. You don't even know the show. So did you actually think, going into the show,

you got a shot at winning this money? Yeah, stupidly. Now, the second time I went, I knew I had no prayer. But the first time I was like, I always, like, I'm very elitist. I think I'm smarter than everyone. Like, I have like an attitude where I'm like, everyone in the world is dumber than me. Like, everyone's two drinks behind and everyone's stupider. So I just figured, like, I'll, I'll make this work. Like, I can do this. Like, I felt like I'm in sales. I, you know, I have to deal with lot of personalities. I, you know, like it says in my bio, I'm manipulative. Like, I really thought I was really equipped. And I didn't ever for once think I couldn't starve or like live outside. Like, I didn't think that was that big of a deal. But I come from, you know, Hollywood and

like, we have, like, we purposely starve all the time. Like, it wasn't that, like, the stuff that's supposed to be really hard, wasn't that hard to me. The only other thing I did was train in severe water deprivation. And even when, wait, wait, wait, wait, you cannot pass that over. You trained in, say that again? In severe water deprivation. And I still practice it to this day. What does that consist? So you have to train your body to exist on very little, if not no water. And if you don't do that, then when you get out there, the first three days, all you have is one canteen of water. And most people go through that on like day one and then freak the hell out the rest of the time until you get Flint, which then you have fire. Now you can boil and you can drink the water. So I did this thing

where like, because I knew Ethan and Ethan hooked me up with like coaches and things like, he helped me. he was like, you got to figure the water thing out. I was like, no problem. So I began limiting my water intake to like a shot of water a day. And then leading up to like the week before, I stopped drinking water entirely. And I just figured I made my body got used to it. And so when we got out there, day two, people were in the morning dragging their clothing over the savannah leaves to capture the dew to wring it into their mouths, which is so disgusting. And by day three, we're in the back of a blacked out van going into our challenge. And the van is very shaky, obviously. There's no infrastructure. And you could hear, I had three quarters of my

water still left in my canteen. You could hear it bouncing around. And everyone was like, what the fuck? So when we got to the challenge, I was like, pass it around. Everyone drink from it. And we won the challenge. And I was like a little bit of a hero for that moment. But yeah, I still did this day, I only drink about one bottle of water a week. And that was your leverage for manipulation. David, I had to get to that. What were you thinking? Well, I just can't get over the the fact that she said that going into the second, her second go around, you said you knew going in, you had no chance. Yes. And that's after a year. of being on the show, you're obviously very confident. You've done weather deprivation. You're

taking shots of water before you go to bed. And that's like, how after going through it is that your mindset? You would think after all that, your mindset would be like, especially from what I'm gathering from you. I got this in the bag. Second time around. It was a real, real reality check, if you will, on the first go around. I was like, oh, everyone hates me. I mean, not the people on the show, but like I was like a super villain. So you can't go back on a show and then start from zero. You go back on the show with the reputation that follows you and you're not playing with the same people. So they just believe what they saw. So I knew going in that was problematic. I was also five years later, not a year later. So five years went by and the show changed drastically. The format

changed this like twists changed, of which I kept up very little of. And when I got out there, I realized my best hope is to go out there and make an impact and like have a personality and kind of like I said, you know, they asked me back two other times and I said, you know, I'd know to both of those before I said yes. And when I finally said yes, the reason was because when people would ask, like, you know, in stupid ice friggers at work and stuff, they'd ask like, oh, like, you know, what's the most craziest thing you've ever done? What's the most memorable?

And the answer was always survivors. So like, if that's the case, then like, all right, I should do it again then probably, right? And I also wanted to join like the Hall of Fame Club, right? Like, I didn't want to be a one-time player. And so I went back, but I knew, like, I thought I would sit at the end and just hand the million to some desperate fool that was at the end with me. That wasn't the case. No, I got blindsided.

Sure happens. All right, before we get into the blindsided on season two, I got to talk about season one. Do they offer any type of stipend? Do you get paid at all to go on the show? Yeah, so that's a great question. And I think people are always surprised to learn that, yes, we do make money for as far as we make it.

So what happens is they explain to you in very basic terms, not hard numbers, because actually the same pot of money exists, no matter how many players there are. So there are seasons with 16 players where they all make more money. there's 18 like my first and then there's 20 like my second. But there's always the same amount of money and CBS never accounted for inflation. There's never any more money in that pot. So what you find is you know you're going to make more the further you get. And then one thing that I think is very public knowledge is you get $10,000 to show up at the live reunion. And the

reason that that ticket is so high is because most people, if they were wronged on the show or whatever, if there wasn't a big ticket attached to it, you might just be like, fuck it. I'm not going. Yeah. Yeah. So they make that very high. So what happens is roughly the first person voted out makes like $2,500. It goes up very incrementally until you hit the jury. Then it starts going up by 10K each jury member. And so it works backwards. So million is first place. Second place is 100 grand. Pretty big drop off there. Third place is 75. And then last year, 65, 55, 45, and then it goes down once you stop the jury, those people only make like a few thousand. And there's like a couple hundred dollars difference between them. And then everyone, and gets the 10K. And then what's the full? Is the guy, just not into Survivor the way I should be, but what's the full-time commitment? Sure. So the show itself is 39 days. You have to be gone for anywhere between like 45 and 47 because there's some pregame stuff that you have to do. There's a ton of medical checkouts, psych evaluations, wilderness training. You know, you have to get out there before. And then really, after day 39, they fly home the day after. Like, there's no, like, let's have a cast

party or no. They don't do anything. They put you on a plane immediately. Get in film. Get in film. Get the out of here, we're done with you. So I'm curious about you asked me, before the podcast started, you actually said to me, can I swear on this? I said, fuck yeah, you could swear on this. But I was at, I was just interviewing a CEO of an influencing company, so he does these huge brand deals. And they have this AI system

data, apparently, that will track all the words that you say. So for myself, on my Instagram, this information, before they do a deal, will know the words you say if they're in your caption, if you sit them on stories, and then they'll give you like a rating, like a PGG, PG-13R rating. And a

of brands won't, even if, like, you have the following and the engagement, everything, they won't do, from his words, not mine, they won't do deals with you because of the way that you were rated. So I'm curious for you, as you just said, fuck it, love it, welcome to the show, let's do this. You also said that you were a super villain. So after the season, when you're trying to monetize opportunities, whatever it is, like showing, speaking, brand deals, did the supervillain title actually impact monetization opportunities? Yeah, so that's a good question. So I want to point out that it's very, very, very different for people on Survivor and the Amazing Race. Not Big Brother, they get big numbers. But first and foremost, my first season,

nothing existed, right? I just told you I got cast off MySpace. Facebook had just been invented. How's that work? Exactly. Also, I'm 27, if anyone asks. So, okay, so we did not have, right? So I lost out on all that. The first season, there was zero social media. By the second season, there was social media, but because the demographic for survivor tends to be apparently like parents and young children, not millennials. The following is extraordinarily low. Like it's extremely low for amazing race. Like you can't believe how low and it's pretty low for survivor. But once my first season was over, as I told you, I quit my job. And so I was like, what am I going to do? Like I was trying to just get back in my field. But in the interim,

I was like, what can I do with this? And it was, you know, also, which I think is probably happening with you guys too. It's a bit of a saturated market. There's too many people now that have done survivor, right? There's like four or five hundred of us. And at that time, maybe there was less, but still there's a lot. And a lot of these people, you know, go to the opening of an envelope. They'll fucking RSTB for anything. So there's no, you can value. They watered the pool down so much. But so what I did was, I decided since I was a villain and I was really good at shit talking, I was going to go after something that was more in that lane. And so there was a show called Tough Enough that the WWE had on VH1. And so I started doing like negotiations with like them

thinking I would maybe get into wrestling, which... I could see that. It sounded like a good idea. They put me on a red carpet with the Ms. And I had to, like, go toe to toe with him. And I fucking slayed him. Like, it was great. We got Mids coming on the podcast.

I'm going to ask him about that. I don't know if you'd remember. You can tell them. I mean, we're going to find that clip, and we're going to put them to test. I don't know if it exists. But I was on a red carpet. I mean, sure, is this somewhere.

Anyways, when I talked to them, they were like, well, basically, you're competing for, like, a contract where you live in Tampa and like I can't even do a cartwheel like I was like oh I don't think this is going to be what I do so I couldn't perlay it like I you know you guys do such a nice job there's so many like bachelor and bachelor and bachelor's contestants that have like really like made a substantial living but you'll find that that's incredibly rare with survivors like there's Elizabeth Haslbeck and that's it it's actually kind of crazy how those shows work and and then the ratings you see the volume but you don't see the social following right so you got survivor the one that's

actually, I know you said Big Brother, but I'm blown away that Big Brother doesn't do better from a social perspective. The reason is you got younger people, I would say like in the 20 to 40 range. They're on three times a week all summer for 90 days straight. And the following still come. Yeah. And even what's interesting, it's not even just CBS, NBC, ABC Dancing with the Stars. I thought Caitlin's following would have like doubled on Dancing with the Stars. And it didn't. And so what's fascinating though is with the whole Bachelor franchise, you have 10 episodes. It's only 10 Mondays. That's it. And most people don't make it that long. And they get these followings are crazy. It's fascinating to see which shows resonate in the social media platform and which don't. And I still haven't put my

finger on it. When I did The Amazing Race, guess how many followers I gained? I'm going to take a stab in the dark. Let's say 5,000. I'm going to say like, more like 500. Yeah, I was going to say, 600. I was going to say 600. I was on, and one of you the worst part. I live in Denver where all you guys live. And so I went to, I went to Revel Social, which is a bar that like two guys. Oh, I know. Oh, yeah. So I go there. My show is on air at that time currently. I've already done two seasons of Survivor. And I cannot walk five feet without someone being like, I'm so sorry, can you take a picture of me and so and I'm like, I'm on TV. This person was on the bachelor six years ago. There was one chick that had like half a million followers. That wasn't even on The Bachelor. She just dated a Bachelor.

And people were asking for pictures with her. Unbeating. I can't figure. that out. I think, I think one, I think it's all to do with, like, letting people in to think that they're included in your love story. I think that that's, like, part of it. And I think some of it, I do. I think that that's part of it. I think people who find romances on their shows also trend a little better after it, too, because people won't, like, feel like they're included on it. Yeah. But it's an interesting supply and demand talk, too. Like you said, like, big brothers, 110 days. You're on three days a week. It's, it's more our age. You're seeing more of them, you would think that that would like parlay into more engagement after, but it's really

interesting. It is fast. And then also you talk about all those shows and the prizes. And so obviously the bachelor doesn't really have a prize. The lead gets paid. You know, obviously the prizes are huge in that space. But you made such a good point about inflation. Why the hell is it still 20 years later? That's survivors a million dollars for the winner. And big boy, like a half a million, like 500, you give away like all for why? I don't understand that. Because they can't because they can because there's so many people that are just so willing to quit their job and just go on the show with the chance to be the next Jason Tarduk or Corinne Kaplan. Hello. To, to that point, I would think they would actually decrease the amount. Corinne, when you finished, so either one of the shows,

so obviously the first show you went back to work, you're still currently working, but how long after the show did it take for you to go back to work? Because I know you talked about exploring WWE and some other opportunities. How long? Oh, let me, look, the best advice I got when I went on the show was from Lynn, and she was like, do me a favor. The second you get home, go back to your normal life. Like, just go back to your normal life and then enjoy when the show airs. Don't try and make this a living. And I was like, I'm not going to be a career reality show person.

That's stupid. I didn't think that was even, you know. And I see it all the time. They get like a little bit of fame. And then they quit their job. And then they just try and go on this like tour of like, who will pay me to show up somewhere? And I did not do that.

The problem is that in the time when I needed to find a new job, there were very few jobs in the market for what I wanted to do. So it took me like probably like six or seven months to get another gig. But I mean, in that particular show, I made 45 grand, which you don't get, you don't get that check until the final reunion airs. So it's not like I had that money on the front end. And that's taxed, obviously. Sure, sure. But when you do the math, because I had to be unemployed to get another job to find my other, you know, my next move for eight months, like I made way more money if I had continued working than if I had done the show. And because there was no endorsements back then.

It wasn't like I was getting any side money at all either. Right. So there's no other cash in flow. So all, and then you look at the opportunity cost of the time, you spent away from a good career, I'm curious, if you had to, like, estimate the total amount that you made between the three shows, over $100,000? Yeah, if you include, like, the piddly endorsements that I get.

Yeah, probably right about that. Okay. And looking back on it, do you have any regrets going on the show or any way that you're perceived as a super villain? Has that impacted your career today? No. And I mean, thankfully, no. I mean, there's a difference between being, I would say, like, I'm a mean girl. I'm a bit of a bully. And I know that people hate bullies now, but like whatever. I'm a reformed bully, I guess. Not so reformed. But, you know, what I didn't do and what I would never do is like something racist, something homophobic. You know, that stuff is really, you can't come back from that. And it is alarming to me, like, you know, Big Brother, because they film you. for so long it's so many days and it just takes one something to be misconstrued and I'm not defending anyone's behavior I don't even watch that show but I um thankfully you know yes I'm a villain and yeah

I was mean to a couple people on the show but like people can get past that and like that kind of just makes me cut throat in my business life I think um but had I done something god forbid like that that you know that I couldn't come back from then I think that would have had a real negative impact yeah and I see that so often now yeah I mean that's something that's obviously being exposed more and more and I think accountability should be had in all those realms that you've mentioned, right? Antisemitic, racist, homophobic. There's no room for it. There's no place for it. But you talk a little bit about bullying. So I want to ask you about that. Do you think your strategy of bullying is a tactic that's used similar to what you did to actually

get on the show, like call the intern, get off the phone, give me the person? So is it part of what you do from a leverage and like business outcome perspective? Or would you say that's like your natural blood to just beat people up and tear them up. No, I mean, so, I mean, I'm pretty thick-skinned and I've been bullied myself. I've done bullying, like, both ways. And I don't know if that's a great word for it, but basically, I think there are different tactics that you're going to take on Survivor. Survivor's a really heavily mental show, right?

Like, that's why every season, somebody goes, AWOL, like, you know, that happens a lot. Every season I've been on, there's been somebody that went nuts and either quit or had to be taken off the show. And so one of the things that I tried to look at, I read a lot of books on, sort of psychology and stuff. And one of the things that really unites people is if everyone has a common enemy. And so, you know, if I'm bullying in this example in the first season, there was the girl I did not like who, it wasn't even bullying. I just did not like her. But it was really easy because she was not very likable to get other people to also not like her and gang up on her,

right? Which is considered like that's the term for bullying, right? Right. Yeah. So it is a strategy because you're uniting other people by singling out one person, but it was a successful strategy for me. thought. I'm also a big, like, whether I'm watching Survivor, Big Brother, any of these shows, I'm a huge proponent of the fact that it's a game. And as long as you're playing game and you're not crossing certain boundaries that we just discussed, you're playing a game. It is what it is. And you know what? There's a lot of, which I absolutely hate. I just gave an interview to EW the other day where I was like, I hate the underdog storyline. Like, I hate that like the person made it to the end because everyone felt sorry and this person couldn't do anything. And so like,

oh, with that. Like, I hate that. And Survivor should be badass people that make it the end, people you want to be stranded with. And so I just really don't respect that tactic at all. Like, I'm a total lump. So you're going to take me to the end because no one will vote for me because I didn't do shit this entire time. Like, I hate that storyline because then that idiot ends up winning. But so you're in sales, right? You're working with people all the time and you have to find ways to use emotional intelligence and value add to successfully close a deal. Don't you find that if you're underlying deal there is that people are just resonating with like a story like that, wouldn't it behoove you to actually,

you're manipulative, be that person? I physically could not be that person. I just could not. Again, this goes back to realizing by the second season, I was like, ain't nobody going to give me a million. I know that. First of all, I'm actually not like, yes, I can starve, and I don't cry, and I'm pretty tough.

But like, I can't make a fire. I never once did I open a coconut. I barely touched that machete. Like, I was pretty useless. Honestly, my brother came for the family visit in my first season, and he was like, you know, he doesn't know that much about survivor, but there was this thing called tree mail. And he's like, all right, like, I'm here.

Why don't you take me to tree mail? So I, like, walk a bunch into the forest and make a left and walk a little bit more, make a right. And then we come back to the same area and he goes, do you, it's day 33. Do you not know where your tree mail is? I was like, I always have someone else go with me. Like, I purposely did nothing. But I was not an underdog.

Like, I wasn't crying. I wasn't like whiny. You know your skill set and you deployed it and you worked it. I'm curious of the survivor people that you do know that, did win the million bucks. What are some of the success stories? Like, have people parlayed that into big things? Or have you heard some terrible, like, lottery winning stories where it's completely fucked up their life? They're almost all lottery winners. Really? Give me, give me an instance because that stuff we don't hear about. Oh, I don't want to call anyone out, but like most of them. No names. No

names. Just a scenario. Well, when they win, it ruins the trajectory of life that they were on. The smartest thing, like Lynn told me is just go back to what your life was, right? Yeah. But even like, you know, I think Ethan is a good example that not that it didn't ruin his life or anything, but like Ethan's very smart. He was pre-med at Vassar. He should have gone on to medical school and become a doctor. Instead, he started a charity with soccer balls in Africa and like just kept trying to get on more shows. And like to me for the greater society and knowing how bright he is, like he could have done like an amazing thing by going to medical school. And this completely changed his trajectory. And that happens a lot on much different scales. Like, he's, that maybe doesn't sound so severe. There's other ones that, like, I know somebody that, you know, was sober and a recovering addicts, a second he won the million. Yeah. Time to party.

Like, that happens more often than not. It's a lot of money, but it also gets taxed. And then you spend it on something. And then that's something you usually need to pay to finance it or it's a monthly payment or if it's a house or if it's a car. And then you quit your job because you just want a million dollars. And then six months later, you're like, how am I going to sustain this? Yeah.

I mean, I will give this example because this is, he's a dear friend and he was very public about it. He was on Dr. Phil. But he taught, who won the million on China, he ended up having like severe alcoholism. Like literally they had an intervention on Dr. Phil. Now he's wonderful. Actually, he's got an amazing business and he's great. But like he went through that whole million and like he would have been better off to have never won that. Right. Like that wouldn't have, he wouldn't have ended up that way had he not won that money and had all that attention. I think that's part of it too. Right. Like it's not only the people that win. There's a lot of people that make a hard. right turn just from the attention, you know? Oh, for sure. I think professionally, personally, personally, mentally, financially, I'm throwing this that out. I have no basis for it, but off of what I've seen, probably 90%, maybe even more of people that go on reality TV often put themselves in a position that's worse in all those prior to being on the show.

And what all these shows need to do, every single one, especially in this podcast because we've had several people from different shows for this episode, is there needs to be some type of coaching or consulting. Like, this is how you deal with the press. This is how you do your social media. Mentally, you're a therapist that can help you walk through this because it is an absolute shit show. And like you said, people hit rock bottom.

Did you ever have a time like that? Like you quit your job. You were the super villain. You get off the show. You're not making maybe money you thought you might be. WW doesn't work out that you hit that rock bottom place. No, because like, first of all, I have really good friends around me. Second of all, I was living in L.A., like my best friend was a publicist who was like

walking me through like media. Yeah, like I was not, I didn't get on the carpet without her, like, helping me, you know, and I had friends that were famous actions. So, like, I was much luckier than most. And also, I have, my family has money. So I had a safety net. Like, it's not like I was ever going to be on the streets. Sure.

But most of these people do not, that is not the case with them. Like, they really, they can't, they can't seem to come back. They can't, they don't know how to go back to life before, just mentally, it destroys them. It's, look, I don't want to make it super negative. There's, there's one chick that I'm obsessed with who won who's so pretty. Kim's Bradlin, she's my favorite winner. She won a season that everyone thinks universally is trash, but I love it because the pretty girl wins.

And she, like, started a business and is super successful. And, like, she did the right thing with the money, you know? But I think that that's, it's whoever you were before the fame or the money that just gets amplified. So, you know, if you were kind of a meandering piece of shit before, it's going to get a whole lot more after, right? That is, that is so true. That is so true.

And I think that the fame thing becomes it's just so addictive. You get a taste of it. And then you want more and more until you're, you're just, you're lost. And so, but that's a question I want to come back to you with. So you go on the first show because you want to win money. Second show, you don't think you're going to win, but fuck it. Let's give it a shot. What made you go back on an amazing race? Like, what was you had? What were you trying to win there? Is it a million bucks? Was it Bame? What was it? No, it was definitely just the, for that, it was the experience.

So survivor, I could care less. If I never camped again, I don't care. Anyone who says it's fun is out of their minds. Like, you'd have to be so sadistic. It's, it's horrible out there. You're getting attacked by mosquitoes. You're, you're with people you hate, there's no food, there's no water. I mean, it's fucking terrible. But Amazing Race, you travel the world. Like, I'm a huge traveler. I thought that the memories you make on Amazing Race, I think, are just, you could never

mimic that scenario. Like, look, I could play Survivor tomorrow in my backyard, you know, but I can't fly to Dubai and fly to Tokyo and get hands at a clue and then get on a tuck tuck. And, I mean, Amazing Race to me, I don't understand why that show isn't like the best, like, of the CBS franchise, that's the one that's suffering. the worst. It got canceled and brought back. It has the lowest numbers. And to me, it's the most interesting. And I did that purely for the experience. And really for definitely not for the money. I didn't. I mean, my partner would tell you, she thought, you know, my partner was Eliza Orleans.

She's running for Manhattan DA. She is a cutthroat bitch. And we were a good team. But really, girl girl teams have won like twice in the history of the amazing. It doesn't happen. You need a guy. You can't do girl girl. And that prize is a million bucks too, right? Yeah, but you split it. Oh, okay. You split it. And then are there second, third prizes for Amazing Race or no? Yeah. There are. I think it goes the same, $175. Got it. I'm still surprised by the amount for the non-winners of Survivor,

even though it's not. It's pretty high. It's pretty high. I mean, The Bachelor you go on as a contestant, you get $0,000, even if you win. Really? Yeah, $0. We just had someone from Big Brother on, and it's $1,000 a week. So, I mean, they film a little longer, but still at the end of that,

even if you make it to the end and you're on the, not the jury, but it's just interesting because that's still, and it's 30, 39 days. So, I mean, we're not talking life-changing money, but it's still worth your time. Yeah, but you have physical ailments. Like, it's pretty bad. Like, for the year after I came back, you know, my hair was falling out.

Like, I lost 22 pounds my first season, which when you lose weight really quickly, it can cause fatty liver. Like, we always joke, like, I haven't taken a solid shit in 12 years. Like, you just, like, live with, like, the side effects of it forever. So I think that the money is fair.

given, like, what you have to go through. Like, I have scars all over my body from the insect bites. Like, I have had now multiple cancerous moles removed, which were a product of sun damage from being out there and not having adequate sunblock. Like, they should pay more than they do. I was going to say, net net, that's probably a deficit when you think about all that stuff.

What about David, you made a good point about our big brother, Elena Davies just came on. Oh, we love Elena. She's awesome. She visited me in Denver not too long ago. Oh, get asked. This reality TV world, I'll tell you what, it's small. But what we found out from her is that the first time she did,

Big Brother, there was a small portion. Oh, no, no, no. So she did two reality TV shows. It was small portion the first time. The second time she knew she had a little like fame behind her and platform. She was able to negotiate substantially more. For Survivor To go around two for you and that amazing race. Were you able to leverage what you had before to increase your rate? No, sure wasn't. In fact, when I told you, I said no. They had asked me back for the first season that was an obvious cast was Heroes versus Villains, right? So they want me for that. They want me bad. And I was like, cool, you need to guarantee me a certain amount of money for me to quit my job. I just got another job.

Like, it was literally four months after my new job started. They wanted to bring me back. And I was like, no, dude. Like, I wasn't asking for a lot. I was asking for like a base guarantee to get me on the show so that if I lost this now, if I quit again, it would carry me over. And they refused. And so they lost me.

And they had to answer that like quite often, being that I was one of the few very like hardcore female villains. Like, why is crin? And it was right after my. They were like, why is she not on this? And they're like, oh, she couldn't quit her job. I'm like, oh, I could quit my job. You just weren't going to pay me.

And I was asking for, I think I wanted like 80 grams. Like it wasn't like an absurd number at all. 30 grand more than what you got the previous season. And you had like some following behind you and everything else. And I actually even tried to broker. I said like if I don't make the jury, I need to go home because I could keep my job in that case because it would, you know, under two weeks, I could, I could just go back to work. And they refused to even let me do that.

So is that when you're going to take no money, but go back after. if I don't make jury they said no that's crazy so is that what your employer said they said you have two weeks if you go beyond two weeks we're firing you well in the case of the employer where I said no I said to the employer like I need you know basically 45 days um I have two weeks vacation you know I was just actually Lynn went on the phone with my boss was trying to broker this and they said um you know maybe if you go and you don't make it and you come back in two weeks yeah sure we weren't not going to backfill this job in two weeks but if you plan on being gone any longer than that. Sorry. Gotcha. Wow. Cutthroat world of real world hitting reality TV.

It's freaking unbelievable. And you know, Jason, I feel like some people like it's their dream. Like they can't even fathom how someone says no and it happens, I think, very infrequently. But I legitimately was like, unlike these other people, like, what's the end game? So what if I go and I'm the first person voted out? Then what's like, you know, I didn't. No job. And then they're not increasing your pay at all. And then you got to get back on the job hustle. I mean, it's a grind. And it's health insurance, like we just talked to Elena too, right? Like reality still goes on. Your mortgage payments, your car payments, all these things while you're still

filming the show are being done. And if pay doesn't meet those requirements, you could get ugly quick. And I think it's a side reality TV that a lot of people don't see. They see the glitz, the glamour, the cool, wow, I just knew this person there in my math class in college or they worked with me and then now they're here. But there is so much that goes on after the show, especially financially. I know this isn't financial, but I bet you don't realize, or maybe you do, but on Survivors, especially, the number one thing that gets ruined after Survivor,

marriages and relationships, everybody gets divorced or broken up. They don't, I mean, it's like a staggering percentage. Why do you think that is? I think the person becomes so fucking insufferable when they get that little piece of fame that the other person can't stand it anymore. That's what happened to me. I mean, I think that's a pretty good, solid conclusion. Or it's fake and perceived by the, by the partner who wasn't on the show,

that they're planting jealousy. At least a 50% divorce rate, crazy high divorce rate, people come back. There's a lot of cheating because everyone goes to these parties. But see, you have it different because you guys start out single. So you maybe didn't realize that that's a big that's true. We start out single and then we get in a relationship. Most of them. Yeah. Most of them. Yeah, that's true. Not all of them. Which then Creek, then it really fused their life up. All right. So all these really fucked up things about reality TV. That being said, would you go on Big Brother if you're asked right now for the track. Yeah. 100%. Yeah. Would you consider

not go back on Survivor. So okay. Interesting. So you would pick and choose the show then. Yeah, I mean, TriFacta is a big deal. All right. I'm going to end this by saying you need to be. I think with your personality, your professional background, and your fire, I mean, David, could you imagine? We could just recap, but you could just be Big Brother Recap show. Put it this way.

If I was in the Big Brother house, there's not many people that I would like take seriously as a threat. If you came walking down the door after talking you for 40 minutes, I'd like, oh, this is going to be a tough one. This is going to be a tough one. My strategy with Corinne would be definitely be on our good side. And then the second I could back door, get her out of the house. Yeah, well, I mean, I got blindsided on my second seizure, like super blindsided. I did not know it was happening. So yeah, that is a strategy. That is how you get me out. There you go. I love it. All right, David, any more questions before we get into the last two segments here?

Yeah, just a wild one. When you're on Survivor and the food's awful, obviously, it's very sparse. Were you a part of any of those challenges where like the team who wins wins like an absolute feast? Yeah. Yeah, I always like a good story about that. So on day 19, my first season, we had had no food. So you win a bunch of stupid trash. before that you win like a tarp and pillows that you know get wet the first day and then no one can use but day 19 we won a picnic which had um bottles of champagne and then like charcutory and like gherkins and patte and my favorite thing is by the way that like when they bring it out i'm the only person that knew what anything was like they're like what do you think this is this looks like bait i'm like it's patte like no one like they were like tiny pickles i'm like those are gherkins

anyways i decided in that moment that um i have two choices everything so there's seven of us on the picnic. So everything has to be divided. They intentionally, they don't give you seven rolls, right? They give you five and you have to figure out how to one seventh everything. So you're one seven thing, everything. And I look at what's on the table and I'm like, I'm like, I'm going to be hungry tomorrow. I'd like to get drunk today. I will trade my one seventh of food for each person's one seventh of champagne. So I ate nothing. I'm my only opportunity to eat something and took a champagne bottle of the face. Dehydrate yourself in a situation you have to be the most hydrated. Yeah. And you know, I know the most disappointing part. I think CBS did some shit where it was a low,

alcohol. I didn't get even a little buzzed. I found the same thing. Same thing on our show too. I couldn't get. I'm like, there's one guy who didn't drink. I'm like, give me your drinks. I'll take him down. Still couldn't get it going. I don't know what it was. All right, that's good stuff. So let's get into it. We have two segments here. I mean, one of them is actually trading secrets.

You have to give us a secret from the reality TV space that you can share with us that people may not know. I think you may have already disclosed all those. But while we're doing the first segment, keep the brain running on those. The first segment is biggest and best in your reality TV experience. So we'll get in the first one. And the first one is what is the biggest and or best brand deal that you got off of any of the reality TV shows you were on? Oh, well, this is embarrassing. So I really don't get much. Or speaking or showcase, anything like that? Yeah. So I started a podcast when actually it was a couple of years after Survivor with my good

friend. And that podcast ended up being extremely lucrative. The problem is that I moved. We no longer could do it live. It was, it was really exploiting my life. It started out, like, 90% survivor, 10% of my life. By the end, it was 10% survivor, 90% my life. We were reporting on all the people that went insane, like all the, you know, just all the, this happens in, in our survivor community, which there was no shortage of. Like, one guy I played with, like, now has his entire face covered in tattoos. Like, we would touch on, one guy went into porn. Like, we were all into that. Anyways, it was very, very lucrative. We had a lot of we did live shows. We had merch. So in the height of that podcast, I don't know if

like this will seem like a lot to you, but it seemed like a lot to me. We were making probably like 50 a year. And this was like, you know, one one podcast episode a week. It was not a lot of work. Yeah, that's awesome. And you're doing something that was my best, I suppose. And then like if I continued, that was doubling like year over year. We did it for about four years. But we did that with no, we did it with just Patreon. We really didn't use sponsors. Well, here's funny thing, Jason, since you brought this up earlier, I was like, because I curse, like, I do. And so I went after sponsors. Like, I wanted Fitvine, which is the type of wine that's for people who work out. Sure. I went after the Bouchcraft kombucha, which is alcohol. I went

after all alcohol. Each company would listen to a sample of my podcast and be like, ooh, ooh. I was like, you literally stand for partying. You're an alcohol beverage company. And I was getting turned down. So I was like, you know what? Fuck, we're not doing this anymore. We're not doing endorsements. We're just doing Patreon. Pay more. I'll give you more. And so that's, what we did. And that's how we made all that money. Like everything was Patreon. Patreon is just a membership model, right? Yeah. And so, okay, gotcha. And you guys, do you still do the podcast? We do not. We stopped it like two years ago. But after that, I did another podcast where I had a contract with an app and I got paid. I don't remember. It was like $150 per episode. I had to do 30 minutes live on this

app. That was nice. That was nice. I mean, I don't think any of these are competitive. If you had Elena on, that bitch could tell you. She does a lot better than I do. No, I mean, it's interesting to just hear how kind of you navigate that world and like what it looks like. That's fascinating. All right. Now give me your biggest financial regret, something that maybe you bought a bad investment. Maybe it's even a financial decision you made, like going on the show because you left work. What do you think your biggest financial regret is? I have to say it's hard for I don't. So I literally do not have the emotion of regret other than like when I eat an ambient and eat something in my fridge, I shouldn't. Like the entire bottle of gummy vitamins that I did

the other day. But I don't really regret things. I don't kind of live like that. So I will tell you one thing I did that was a poor investment, but like I'm making it work. I got drunk at the National Western Livestock Stock Show and I bought an alpaca because I just kind of always wanted one. And those fuckers live for 20 years and I have to pay to board him now. And there's no getting rid of him. I tried to donate him to the zoo. They don't want him. So he has an Instagram and I'll try and get him. He's got one luggage deal. Alpaca your bags. Oh my God. I think you should private label that.

I think you should private label that. How much do you pay an alpaca boarding fees? It's not that much. It's just it never ends. So it's $75 a month. It's not terrible. Okay. Consumer decision making process. What the hell was going through your brain

when you decided to purchase an alpaca? Yeah, good question. So I was having a meltdown because I was turning 40. And I was like crying to my mom. And she's like, you know what, Corinne? Why don't you look at it? Like, you have money and you don't have anyone to answer to you. Why don't you buy yourself a toy?

Like, buy yourself something insane that if you would, had a significant other, they'd be like, you can't do that. So I just decided that an alpaca was the thing I was going to get. And so I went to a life. I could have gotten an emu. Thank God I didn't get an emo. I thought he was so cute. And I was like, whatever, I'm just going to get him. But you don't think like long term. Like now I'm like, yeah, like you could have got a dog or cat. You're just like, I'll get an alpaca. But apacas are cute. I don't like dogs and cats really. Like I wanted something that someone else was going to board for me. But like, I am now bored of the alpaca. I don't, I'm running out of things to dress him up. And he makes a great Christmas card.

but otherwise, he hates me. You run to the other side of the pen when I get there. There's no bonding whatsoever here. How much did you pay for said alpaca? Yeah. So I didn't buy the breeding rights, you know, because I don't know what the fuck I'm doing with an alpaca. So he was like $700.

That's not, I mean. Well, 75 bucks a month for boarding, for boarding, 700 bucks. How often do you see it? Are you good? Are you, uh, well, in the beginning I saw him more. Oh, how long have you had him for? Oh, shears. I'm not getting off this topic, by the way.

I have 15 questions. I'll pack a little bit more. So two years. But in the beginning, I was like, I'm going to train him so that he can go on hikes with me. He can get in my SUV. And then I really quickly realized that like, I don't have the time for that shit. So now I just show up and yell at him and put him in clothing and put it on an Instagram. And that's about it.

You know how some animals can spit at you? Yeah, he never learned how to spit sadly for him. So he has no defense. He just has to put up with it. Would he, though, if he could, do you think? Yeah. Oh, yeah. If he could disembowl me, he would.

He hates me. I think you have no choice but to turn the alpaca into a business opportunity. To jerky? Because I've threatened that. I think it's a business opportunity. I think you start bringing him to kids' birthdays. I think there's something here. I wanted to bring him, like my favorite winery in town is Bigsby's Folly.

And I wanted to bring him to the winery, like to have like a whole thing. But he gets, so the number one cause of death in alpacas is loneliness. They get very anxious if you take him away from their herd, they're herd animals. So he starts hyperventilating like a, queen the second I get him away from the herd. So I run the wrist and he's going to have a fucking heart attack at the winery. If I bring him there without a friend and I'm not buying another one. That is definitely the best answer I think we've ever had. What do you think, David? In Alpaca. No, that's, what's Alpaca's name? Tupac Shakur. Yeah, see, this,

this is an elite Alpaca. Like, there's no way this Alpaca is going to be allowed to just sit in boarding school all day. Like, yeah, you're in free grand on this. You'll definitely be able to recoup these costs, we get smart with this. I think so. All right, last, that's incredible. Last portion of this is trading secrets. So the name of the podcast is trading secrets and the whole idea is from Wall Street to Main Street, Hollywood to our homes. What are some things within the world you live in with reality TV, but on three different seasons of shows through a network, potentially another show, which we're campaigning for. What's something that maybe it's the contracts, maybe it's somewhere you dealt with production, maybe the financial aspects? What is

something that you could give us as a trading secret for the world you live? well like it has to be business oriented or you just want a secret about the ins and outs of David what do you think secrets are secrets all right okay so I think one of the things that I thought was interesting that I didn't understand so again I have a real elitist bitch mentality and when I went on the show I was like I'll like they would ask me to sit on like a log that was there was ants everywhere and I'm like I spent all day avoiding ants I'm not sitting on that log and they'd be like no you have we set the entire shot up and I'm like sorry what are you going to do and then we have to show, which it turns out they can do. They couldn't with me because I was way too obnoxious to edit out,

but they will do that when they get upset with you. And so I was very difficult my first season. I was better my second season, not because I don't respect production, but because I was looking out for myself. Like I, you gave me SBF 8. Do not set me up with a reflector in the ocean. Like, I am alabaster, skin gum blushing. Like, no, I'm not going to take that interview. And they would, they sort of were, so the people who are more cooperative get like more confessionals technically I suppose but it didn't really happen to me but one thing that did happen is one of the producers really did not like me my first season mostly because I said no to things all the time like they kept they can do this thing I this is my own opinion they can strategically call

you out for confessionals whenever they want and if they do it when people are strategizing or when people are eating you end up with not enough food right so everyone's using like shells to eat rice from the bowl and if you're not there and they're saving you your food and you only eat once a day they're not going to save you the amount you would have gotten had you been there. So they pulled me out for confessionals three days in a row at the time when we were eating. And I was like, fuck you, enough of this. And so I had it out with this producer. And then she told Randy, who was my close friend on my first season, during his confessional,

she's like, you should really tell Corinne, you know, you should really try and get a handle on Corinne. She's making it difficult for everyone. And Randy goes, oh, is she being the bitch, like the character you guys wanted? Sure. Like, that's who she is. So you can't have it both ways. But so a production actually like came to him to try and reel me in, which he didn't do. It was part of your tag.

I mean, manipulations in your job, your description here. So I'm just thinking of professional sales strategy. Any part of your idea to say, okay, I'm going to identify that these producers do have the control for the outcome. I'm going to manipulate my way to not be like that to do it. I should have totally. There's a huge mistake. I should have kissed their ass. Like I should have asked about their stupid kids and been interested in their dumb

fucking lives. I didn't do that at all. I was like, do you not waste my time? Cut the small talk. What do you need from me? Like, I was horrible in my first season. I was much better the second. And Amazing Race, like, I lived for those production people and I was very kind to them. And I still talk to them. But my first season, they all hate me. This is incredible. And if you go on Big Brother, obviously, that'll, that strategy will change drastically. That, that I now know is a stupid move. Uh, Corin, this has been such a pleasure learning about all the ins and outs of survivor, amazing race, the money, the compensation, the Patreon deals, the grind, and back to work. It's been such a pleasure. Where can people find you, what you're working on, and

learn more about you? Sure. So my handle on Twitter and Instagram is core insanity. So it's just C-O-R-I-N-S-A-N-I-T-Y. So the word insanity with C-O-R in front of it. And if you want to follow my alpaca, he is Tupacca underscore the underscore alpaca on Instagram. I am 100% of following You said. Really great A content. I pretend like I'm speaking for him. I love it. Evan on this call is also an agent. So Evan, you have a new goal

and the goal is to source a deal for her alpaca the next 12 months. I love it. Corinne, thank you so much for your time. Really appreciate your transparency. Honestly, this is so much fun. It was so fun. And if I get on Big Brother, I'm giving you all the credit. Yes. We are putting it out there right here, right now. This is how

I get on there. Try fucking Fecta. Ding, ding, ding. Welcome back to the closing bell with The Curious Canadian. And I'll tell you what, there's nothing quite like the reality TV series we do here at Trading Secrets. All shows, all conversations from the followers, the money, losing your job when coming back from the show and so much more. That's why we got the one and only, the voice of the viewer, with us. David Ardwin, I know you have a lot of thoughts on this. episode. And not only this episode, but even how it relates to what we're seeing on Paradise

right now, where do you even want to start with Corinne Sanity? Well, I'm going to fast forward and skip the alpaca talk, even though, like I said, I could go on forever about it. I thought that was hilarious and fascinating. Also, checked out the IG on that alpaca. It's the cutest thing ever. But I think what we need to really discuss is, obviously, this is a business podcast, the business behind reality TV and like you said, you know, we were seeing it in front of our eyes in paradise. Piper and Brandon, Chris and the girl that I don't even remember her name. People with preconceived notions going on TV. I got a question. Does anybody go on TV anymore without business in mind, reality TV? I mean, I don't know if you actually can, right? Because

you heard about it when she was there. She's like, I didn't, there wasn't none of that shit. I was on my space for God's sakes. And she was just monetizing with like going to a couple bars here and there. But it is so exposed right now. At least I believe it's exposed. How much money you could be making from building this platform. So for anyone, I think, to say that they're going on reality TV right now and there is, it's not crossing their mind that they could build a platform and therefore monetize or do something impactful. I'm calling bullshit. I'm calling bullshit. It's also so hypocritical like what's hypocritical it's hypocritical of the people that call those people out like I guess it's like very blatant in terms of like you know people who clearly like screw the system a little bit to go on

a what should be a dating show as a couple but it's also like the people who call people out like you just came on here for fame or business like come on people yeah and here's the thing I only saw a couple clips and I heard it was awful I texted you yeah you told me like wow you're like how dumb are these people. The first, without seeing the full clip of the whole brand and Piper thing, my initial reaction to it, because when you say the word hypocrite is, one, they're idiots, two, like, completely wrong in doing that. But also, part of me was like, it reminded me of anybody out there, like, you don't like your boss or, like, you don't like your company. Sometimes those are conversations you have with, like, your friends and family. You don't go tell your boss, while you're still working for them,

you hate him and you hate the company. And that's what it reminded me of. Or your coworkers or the assistant or the people in charge of everything that you do. It's absolutely diabolical. It was crazy. It was crazy. I wish you could quantify and I feel like if anyone could you, like the risk reward of saying no to reality TV as opposed to saying yes

with a twisted business aspect of trying to like, like I said, screw the system. Yeah. I mean, listen, I think the thing is, is that reality TV, people gravitate towards those people who actually go on it and are real. The people that come off. Like a grocery store, Joe is like perfect example, but I also like stay for the drama. Yeah, exactly.

100%. But Joe, the guy you're seeing as Joe right now is this same motherfucker in person. Like that's him. And that's what's so lovable about him is that he's a real human. He's not like intentionally stirring shit up or making ridiculous chirps

and like getting the drama. He's just like, this is who I am. And that's why like, I continue to get more Joe, more Joe, more Joe. Yes. And guess what? Those are the people that do well with building the platform. So this key to success, if you're listening,

you think you're smarter in the system is just go on these shows and be yourself. Just be yourself. It's only going to last, only way it's going to last long term. I'll never forget this, David. I say this is one of the producers said to me one time, you know, everyone gets worried, oh, am I going to get edited, da, da, da, da, da. And here's such a good point.

If you're an asshole, it's really easy to make you look like an asshole. And if you're a nice, normal human, it's really easy to make you look like a nice normal human. But it is very challenging for any editor to make a nice normal human look like a complete asshole and a complete asshole to look like a nice normal human. And the less work we have to do, the better. Well said. Now, one thing that stuck out was the talk of you guys that you talked about for the need of help when you get off these shows. I mean, whatever your intentions are, however much you're trying to play the system or how pure your reasons for going on these shows are, the need for counselors, guidance, for not only your mental health or your PR for self-sabotage,

but just in terms of monetizing the opportunity of coming off these shows, if you happen to kind of stumble into it, kind of like you did. Is that something that you've ever thought of in like mentorship for business opportunities? You know, it's interesting to say that because I find it what happens is every like show or so often. I'm talking to a few people that are reaching out with questions. And it's again, it goes back to the relatability. It's always the guys that just come off as relatable that I seem to or girls that I gravitate towards and watching that I'm like, yes, shoot away. I'll answer anything and everything because people go on the shows to build the platform or at least some part of them. They build the platform, but then you have to monetize it.

It's not just handed to you. And the problem is there are so, there's not an industry in the world out there. Maybe there is. Someone could prove me wrong in which there is such a different learning gap between the actual talent and the sharks. So the talent comes off and they don't don't know anything. The sharks have been in the industry for 20 years. So they gobble up that learning curve and people just get taken to the cleaners by these people. And nothing makes kind of my blood boil more than that. And if you're new to this podcast and just hearing Jason say that, go listen to episode two. The Joe Gallerese episode explains everything that Jason's talking about in detail. And it's so, so true. So one thing, too, that she talked about a lot is

the money behind Survivor, obviously. I get those reality TV shows that are like once a year that have the prize money and the big prize pools. Here's a question for you, money related. Okay. Where does the money come from for shows like Jeopardy or Wheel of Fortune or Price is Right that are daily game shows that are spitting off 20K winners in cash or spitting off trips or spitting off cars? Like, where does the money come from? Is it purely from ad revenue from commercials on the networks? Like what's your knowledge on that? I don't. I don't. I don't. I don't. I don't. I don't. I don't. I don't. I don't. I don't. I don't have much, but here's what I'm going to say, is that if they're like a show like Price is right or Jeopardy, like Price is Right has been around since the 90s. And if you're, if you have

the volume of being out every single day and you're getting that commercial ad revenue, I would think what happens is the network gets investors. And for the original launch, they're fronting all the money for the prize pool. And then the advertisements from the commercials are of course paying for that. I also think for like the big prizes on like, let's say a wheel fortune where the odds are very low of winning, I think they'll also buy insurances on that just in case that if someone does win, they pay an insurance amount. If they win, they're covered. Like example, you ever go to those golf tournaments, right? Where if a hole in one you could win 10K cash in a BMW, those are all insured. And you'll always know there's people on those holes

watching those people usually work for the insurance company to make sure that if someone gets a hole in one, they saw it and they can account for it. That makes sense. Also, like I've heard that and confirm if this is true. Like if people win a car on prices right, they actually 99% of the time don't end up getting the car because you have to pay the taxes on that, right? 100%. So with prices right, you have to pay those taxes right when you claim your reward. So if it's like, suppose it's, I don't know, 50K, 60K, right?

So you win the 60K cash. You actually can't get that 60K cash until you front the tax money for that. Let's just assume you're at like a higher tax bracket 30, 30, 40%. I mean, that's true. 20, 25 grand right there you're putting up. So it's like that you win that trip to Aruba, that's worth 7,000, but you got to pay 4,000. You got to pay 4,000. So it's all of a free trip to Rubba. It's like, I could have gone on an expedient, find myself a cheaper one. All of a sudden, Aunt Susie's timeshare, when she only charged you $2,200 for the week is a better

deal. That's so funny. What else you got, man? What else do I think about that? Well, we're on the topic of money and influencing a brand deal is coming off the show. I'm going to take it back to Jason Tell All a little bit where you kind of gave us an insight to your financials and what you're doing and some projects that you're working on. I wanted to give the people at home a little update. How are we doing? We're almost done with 2021. I think we're entering Q4 here. How's the, what are you working on? What's a business like? Almost done with 2021. It's going great. I mean, this was a big year. We launched the podcast. I got the book coming out next year. We're selling merch. We got the business networking group. If you're interested in joining, restart at jasontartic.com. Shoot me

an email, only nine bucks a month. Several businesses, we have the FinTech trading app. We've invested in a few. It's been going great, man. Been doing some speaking stuff too. So, so far, I'll tell you this, 2021 has definitely been my best year of all this, of the monetization of kind of like the whole building the brand and the endorsements and the speaking and the investing stuff. And then also the businesses I own. So it's been, it's been the best year. And I'll add on to that. One thing I said on my social media the other day, and I'll stand by this, is that anyone out there, like, if you have, just to give you a benchmark, because someone was asking me if people go on the show to build a platform and monetize, I'm like, you guys tell me what you think about that. Because if you have over 500,000 followers right now in a somewhat engaged audience, and your followers are built from something that's like rated in the G to even R. It's not like the XX stuff. You should easily, and even if it's an XX stuff, I'm sure this answer is the same. Easily, easily, easily, easily, you'll say it over a minimum $250K a revenue from that social channel.

Right? That's it. You get entrepreneurial, start your own businesses. It can go up from there. And if you're not making $250K and you have over $500,000 followers, give me a call because you're not doing something right or you have a manager that's screwing you over.

See, this is why I said, the mentorship thing. It's real. Maybe that will be the 2022 business. And that's why Joe Gallia, as they said, 89% of youth want to be an influencer for the those reasons right there so all right let's wrap this up really quick we had a survivor episode everyone on survivor gets to bring one thing on survivor with them what do you bring in if you go to

the island phone i don't know if you could bring a phone if but you said if i could bring anything okay fair what would you bring i mean i don't know probably like uh if he couldn't bring technology what would you bring if i'm trying to like be smart probably uh lighter i think a lighter i think a or I'm such a, like, I don't know about you, I get crushed by mosquitoes. I would just, I might just bring bug repellent because I couldn't deal. That would self-eliminate if I have like 18,000 bug bites everywhere. Which, speaking of which, this was about the Survivor. You heard the behind the scenes with all the money stuff.

And Survivor actually premieres on September 22nd. So we're right around the corner. And then we talked about Big Brother, a show you and I, I know, would love to be on anybody out there. Get us on Big Brother, David and Jason. that premieres September 29. So if we're going to talk about the shows, what the live in hell, let's promote them. David, anything else before we wrap up?

I believe you have a couple shoutouts. Couple shoutouts. Let's give a couple shoutouts. You guys are giving us five stars and we are seeing you all over our reviews doing that. If you could please continue to give us five stars, put on your Instagram name or your name. We'll shout you out and we'll be reaching out to you.

I see Nicole Murphy telling us that we're inspiring. Dave, You got a couple of compliments in here from Jackie Burr. She came in hot. We're doing the five stars almost at the 3,000 review mark. So if you guys can help us get there, I see at Spicy underscore Bunny. That's a good one. We loving them.

We're listening to them. We're seeing them. Let me see if I, oh, Steph Caldron came in. This podcast is incredible. It's a small business owner and someone who has recently had an interest in investing in all things finances. I've listened to a lot of podcasts that speak about money. Trading Secrets is by far the most interesting, engaging, and easy to understand.

Steph Caldron, thank you so much for that feedback. Guys, we appreciate it. Things are going great. We are, honestly, we're having so much fun with this. And if you have guests or people or industries, you want us to cover, you let us know, the voice of the viewer, anything else before I close us out? I'm still working to find my crypto. Oh, you haven't found it yet?

Well, there's light at the end of the tunnel. I found some of it, but I'm missing 20th. So you do the math. That's like 70. You're missing 70 grand. You do the math. We found half a Bitcoin. We found six eighth.

But the kids missing 20th. If you know where they are, contact me. Hit me up. They're just lost in translation right now. The update, I forgot. We even talked about it, but the update we needed 20th. That could be a whole podcast. We'll touch base on that next week.

Where the fuck are those 20 Ethereum that are going to at roughly 3,500 a pop right now. Hopefully you guys enjoyed this episode. It was another reality TV series, one that you could not afford to miss. Thank you for tuning in, and we will see you next Monday. On another episode of Trading Secrets,

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