Trading Secrets - 181. Charity Lawson & Dotun Olubeko: Life post Bachelorette and DWTS, pursuing careers in the mental health & wellness space, and finding ways to make money with your passions!

Episode Date: July 8, 2024

This week, Jason is joined by one of Bachelor Nation’s most recent and favorite couples to come out of the franchise, Charity Lawson and Dotun Olubeko!  After being a contestant on Zach’s season of the Bachelor, Charity was selected to be the lead for the Bachelorette Season 20, where she eventually fell for Dotun and the two became engaged to wrap up her season. Since wrapping up their time on the show, Charity added another notch to her reality TV belt, finishing fourth on Dancing With The Stars season 32 this past fall. Charity and Dotun have both earned their Bachelor’s and Master’s degrees and eventually worked in the health and wellness fields prior to ever being on reality TV. Charity gives insight to the mental health aspect of the reality TV space with her knowledge in clinical mental health counseling, how different the emotions look between The Bachelor and Bachelorette, what to look for when seeking therapy and what to avoid, why she wants to get back into working as a therapist, her experience on DWTS, and why she decided not to do the full tour. Dotun breaks down what he does as an integrated medicine consultant, what he thinks people need to know about nutrition, what he has been doing post show careerwise, the struggle with leaving work to go on the show, how being a purpose-driven person has helped him integrate both worlds of professional and personal, finding the balance, and answer a few rapid questions about each other! Who brought up the financial conversation? How has social media and brand deals been? What has wedding planning looked like?  Charity and Dotun reveal all that and so much more in another episode you can’t afford to miss!  Host: Jason Tartick Co-Host: David Arduin Audio: John Gurney Guests: Charity Lawson + Dotun Olubeko Stay connected with the Trading Secrets Podcast!  Instagram: @tradingsecretspodcast  Youtube: Trading Secrets Facebook: Join the Group All Access: Free 30-Day Trial  Trading Secrets Steals & Deals! Resibrands: Ready to begin your entrepreneurial journey but not sure where to start? Join Resibrands and take the step from 0 to 1 in owning your own business with our proven franchising system. ResiBrands is a community of shark-like entrepreneurs working alongside each other to create a home service revolution. We eat the competition, so take a bite out of a wealthier future and visit us at resibrands.com today Linchpin: Hiring top talent for your teams has never been easier. Linchpin is a recruitment firm that creates custom hiring and consulting services. If you are looking for a results driven and human-centered approach - this is your solution. Head over to thelinchpinco.com/contact and select Trading Secrets in the 'Where did you learn about us” section for 10% off your first placement! Bilt Rewards: The Bilt Mastercard® is the first card to offer points on rent with no transaction fee. To get rewarded for your largest expense seems like a no brainer to me. Earn points by paying rent right now when you go to joinbilt.com/TRADINGSECRETS Monarch Money:  Unlike other personal finance apps, Monarch’s simple, intuitive design makes it so easy to set up, customize, and use. Get an extended thirty-day free trial when you go to monarchmoney.com/SECRETS ASPCA Pet Health Insurance:  The ASPCA Pet Health Insurance program offers customizable accident & illness plans making it easier for pet parents like you to help your pet get the care they may need. They allow you to customize your plan, helping ensure that your pet’s plan is as unique as they are. To explore coverage, visit ASPCApetinsurance.com/TRADINGSECRETS

Welcome back to another episode of trading secrets. I'm your host, Jason Tardick, and welcome to the free market trading segment where I'll tell you a little bit about our guest, a money tip, and an update from my personal life. First and foremost, please make sure to subscribe and give us five stars in the comments. Let us know if there's a guest. we should have a segment or something we should think about. We are watching those closely and trying to implement feedback as soon as possible. And a huge shout out to our focus group.

We just had an incredible focus group. Over 50 people came and gave us insight and feedback on the podcast. We so greatly appreciate those who came. Now, a little bit about our guests today. Familiar faces, I'm sure you know Charity and Daught from The Bachelor at. Charity was the Bachelorette and ended up with Daught. And of course, Charity went on Dancing with the Stars and absolutely crushed it. Now, Charity's background, actually a therapist by trade. And so you're

going to hear a lot about her take on therapy work, on the industry, on connecting therapy in the Bachelor Mansion, and a huge update from her professional life as to what is coming next. She has an update she's sharing on this podcast that she has not shared publicly anywhere before. In Daughton's background, all the way from his childhood to his current profession is absolutely fascinating. If you're into nutrition, if you're into health, you're going to get some tips from Doughton that you're going to be blown away by. I didn't make a joke. I mean, you've got to look at Doughton's athletic resume. It's insane. Like two-time All-American, you know, D-1 track star. I'm like, oh, D-1, we got all these people from the

bachelor acting like they're these big athletes on social media. You are a two-time All-American. Can you give us some running tips or something on social media. So we have fun talking about kind of how life has changed for them after the show with their professions, how they're trying to do different things with social media, their take on social media, their take on the franchise. And yes, we do have some fantasy suite convo. So that is coming. Now, quick little money tip for you. I just read an article. 36% of Americans plan to take on debt for summer travel. Here's why the financial experts are worrying. So if there was more than a third of summer vacation, are saying that they're willing to take on debt to travel. This was according to a bank rate survey done

in March 24. About a quarter of them, 26% of the summer travelers said they're going to use the credit cards to pay for the vacation over multiple billing cycles, meaning that they are going to have credit card debt rolling cycle to cycle. And as we know, some of the interest rates on those are 25 plus percent. Those are holes that are so hard to get out of if you do not take control of it and planned for it. This represents a lot of people taking on expensive debt. And this kind of debt can linger, said Ted Rossman, a senior credit card industry analyst at bank rate. So I want to encourage people, go on vacation, live your life, but do it on a budget and do it on a budget that you can afford because getting into debt with experiences like this can really, really put

you behind. An update for my personal life. Well, on a focus group, Jamie gave me some advice. Jamie was a member of the focus group. So, Jason, we need to hear more from you. I want to know more about what's going on with your friends and your family. I want to hear more about what's happening with Kat. I want to hear more about some of the struggles that you endure and what you're going through and how you're going through it. And I'll tell you, if I'm being vulnerable with all you, that's an area I really, really struggle

with. I internalize a lot of my thoughts and feelings. I go to therapy a lot to work on that. And with a platform, I understand the repercussions of sometimes pulling too many layers back and I try to avoid that at all costs. Like you can even hear my own. You can hear my wheels spinning as I'm saying this. It's a place of discomfort for me.

I do think as I self-reflect, I get much more comfortable when I have maybe friends or family around me when these subjects come up. So I'm going to try my best to be more open, to share more about my life, what's happening, the good and the bad. And I think a good way for me to do that is also to get David and other friends involved on the podcast, on the More Than Money episodes, to really talk life. So you can really get the side of me that Jamie has referred to. So I'm going to work on that.

An update, though, for my personal life, you know, this was July 4th, was in Idaho. And then this week, I'm actually in New York City. I have some big podcasts in New York City. I'm very excited about. This is the first time, you know, typically with ABC, I have to put in my requests and wait and wait and wait to get approval to get leads or some of the top four finishers from the season. And this was the first time ABC actually came to me, invited me, to have Jen on the podcast in anticipation for the premiere. So I don't know. That feels you just like, as I think through it, it feels good.

It tells me, even with the Bizzles podcast, we're doing something right, which feels special. And yeah, spending some time in New York City, and then I'll be at the MLB All-Star Game in Dallas, Texas. And there's a lot happening in my life. So I will take your advice, Jamie. I'll find a way to make sure I'm sharing more. I'll continue to think through that. But enough of me, enough of my money tips on summer travel. Let's get into the two stars of the show here.

Let's ring in the bell with Charity and Don. Welcome back to another episode of Trading Secrets. Today we are joined by one of Bachelor nations, more recent, and favorite couples to come off from the franchise, Charity Lawson, Doughton, Olubeko. After being a contestant on Zach's season of The Bachelor, Charity was selected to be the lead for The Bachelorette season 20, where she eventually fell for Daughton, and the two became engaged to wrap up her season. Since wrapping up their time on the show, Cherry added another notch to her reality.

TV belt finishing fourth place in Dancing with the Stars season 32 this past fall. The two of them now lived together in Brooklyn. We're here right now where they're starting a new life together. Ironically, both Charity and Dotten earned their bachelor's and master's degrees and eventually worked in the health and wellness fields prior to ever being on reality TV. Charity worked as a child and family therapist while Dotten worked as an integrative medicine consultant and started his own fitness and coaching company, D.P.T. Fitness. So while both being very well educated and fresh into their careers, we're going to talk how life has changed for them. Just one year. They have done all of this and one year removed from the show and what is next for this

happy couple in New York City. Charity. Dot, and thank you so much for being in this episode, Train Secrets. Thank you so much, Jason. I'm excited to be here. We're pumped to be here. All right. Now, we got a lot to talk about here. Yes, we do. Your resumes are deep. You've both done a ton as far as it relates to your career. Charity, I'm going to start with you. So master's degree in clinical mental health counseling from Auburn. And then you worked in child and family therapy in Georgia and Alabama from 2019 to 2023.

The first thing I thought about was like someone with clinical mental health counseling studies going into the bachelor in reality franchise has a leg up on everyone. I really do. So given your professional experience. and you're studying and then being in reality TV and dancing with the stars and the bachelor and the bachelorette like what's your overall synopsis when you think about the mental health aspect and all the studies you know and like how therapy actually helped you or being a therapist helped you through this oh i literally keep telling myself or just thinking about if i hadn't had my degree in that i probably either would have shown a completely different side of like

charity because obviously therapy also helped me as a person and develop who I am but also everyone around me like on Zach's season I don't I hate to say that I kind of had the therapist role but I did like I was the girl in the house that was helping everybody else kind of go through all these problems and I'm like I kind of viewed everyone like as a case study and I try to turn my like lens all sometimes I'm like okay you're not like in therapy role like you're on a TV show but I would have to say like I mean it definitely like helps when you have understanding because I as we know it like reality TV and like especially the bachelor like that environment is truly like psychological warfare like it's wild it's crazy and like if you don't have any understanding

of yourself but also just how like personalities dynamics work like the things that you're going through you're being tested from all types of measures like you kind of have to have like a little bit of understanding so i do want to say like i think it definitely helped to my advantage that i was i had those skills already and then obviously as the bachelorette like it helped me kind of like I had to turn it off again as Bachelorette, but it helped me, like, kind of, like, talk to the guys a lot better and, like, pull the layers back apart from just, like, surface level. Okay, we're not, like, talking surface levels thing.

Let's, like, get into the nitty. Yeah, like the nitty gritty. And knowing, like, which avenues to, like, kind of, like, a route to take for each guy. It was, it was complex, but it worked out. Kind of wild. One thing you said that landed with me is you said, like, case study on each person. Now, people that are listening to this are, of course,

fans of the shows, they have their own perspective of people and how they either might have been triggered on the show or snapped or whatever it might be. When you look at like the case studies for each person down your show or just like the overall show, what do you think is like the biggest misconception that happens to these individuals when they're under this fresher cooker from like a diagnosis of someone who's like a professional? From being the Bachelorette and with the guys, I can definitely see a lot of ego take over. And a lot of guys crack after a certain point. The competition concept really does take over for guys more so than I think girls were like obviously more emotional beings.

But when it goes to the guys, I saw so quickly how the egos got to it. I don't want to use names. But if you watch my season, like you can kind of see like very like, you know, a few front runners kind of like use or that kind of take over for them. So I would have to say egos for sure for with guys. With girls, it's a little more, it's complicated. I feel like Zach's season was really a special case because we all kind of developed a really good like friendship and bond, which is not normal. Like you don't really ever see that on this seasons.

But I guess like at a certain point, like obviously we're just all like tired and emotional. So like I remember like when I was helping Greer out in London, we're all just freaking out because we're just, we're wanting an opportunity and opportunity to date because we're sacrificing coming on this show. But we're not really knowing like how to like, I guess, I don't know, like utilize our emotions to the best of our abilities because we're in these foreign environments. We're under, obviously, the producers, like, they have control over a lot of things. So it's really just, like, trusting yourself. And I think because a lot of us were young, then, we aren't really mature in

that. So there's things that we still have to, like, develop and grow into. So I had inside of that, but only being able to kind of utilize that for myself, not obviously able to, like, help everybody else out. It's so true. Like, the idea of the emotional overload and then having the ability to somehow self-regulate in a situation that's so irregular is like close to impossible. I felt that too. I don't know if you felt this done. Like when I got into them, you probably didn't feel it. You're a tall, beautiful man.

I was like the shortest guy in that place. I'm from Buffalo. I'm a banker. I'm like, what am I doing here? But there's definitely like an imposter syndrome. And then I do feel like majority of the people, especially on the Bachelorette, because obviously that's my experience, that's yours.

I felt like majority of those people back at home in their, groups like they're definitely the alpha like they're the per like i feel like most of those people are like the leader in their groups put them all into a mansion start competing start developing feelings and then it's just like no one can self-regulate no matter how good you are right did you feel that at all like that type of pressure at all did you feel an imposter syndrome did you feel like it was tough to self-regulate in that mansion yeah i actually did i actually had a conversation this weekend with one of the contestants now yeah who shall not be named but we both talked about how interesting it is you're right. These are probably the top dogs in their little circle. Yeah. You know, and like

John B, you know, he's from Minnesota, but he's probably like runs that town. And then you come into this environment and for her season, they casted, I mean, you know, no offense to any past seasons, but they cast it so well for her. You know, most of the guys were late 20, early 30s kind of thing or were really established. And you just see all these tall dudes. And like, that's my advantage. You know, I'm like, oh yeah, I'm tall and I have all these things going for me. And I mean, like, educated, but everybody there was educated. You know, it's, like, so crazy to just jump into that world.

But, yeah, like, that pressure cooking environment is going to make or break you. And I know for me, initially I was like, oh, this is weird. Like, just feels like, you know, dick measuring contests. Can I swear on here? Is that okay? Oh, yeah, okay.

Yeah, it's literally perfectly, you know, like, quite literally. I'm like, I got the biggest piece of it. I'm going to win. But it was, it ended up being, I know, I'm not familiar. I had to make a decision. There was about, you know, two weeks in, and you're letting all this get to you.

And then after our first conversation, I actually had a conversation with a producer off camera as well that I said, what am I here for? Like, I'm here to find love and here to like for personal development. And once I took that step and stopped worrying about what other people look like or doing, that's when for me, like, our relationship blossomed, I was able to open up. So, yeah, it was such a good learning experience for me in that way. And like I said, all the guys actually ended up being really cool. We had very little drama.

of the drama that was there was like not crazy you know yeah push the gas it was like the craziest thing and even that it's like everyone's so tight now yeah you know when we got in our group chat it was like 20 dudes which I feel like usually it might be like five or 10 right yeah yeah yeah for you guys but there was like most of us that made a certain point we're in a group chat and so we're still very tight to this day yeah that's impressive I would say like it's even less than five usually most seats like one to two so the fact that you guys have it is a testament and probably a testament to the guys that they got in your season yeah one last question I have have when I dive into this mental health scenario from someone who's a therapist is a question I've always wondered. And with your professional background, now I have to know. What do you think

it is when, you know, when we go through the casting and then you have to do the 600 question psych test or whatever, the three six, which is just brutal. And then you end up meeting with the psychologist, right? And they ask you random questions. What do you think that is? What are they trying to do there? I don't, I honestly don't know. I like, I think it's like, are you, like, are your answer is consistent like in person because you know some people like like you know not answer it I don't know like some people lie and then you come in person and it's not the same it's not correlating together so that was my first thought but then again I'm like I don't know because I know a lot of like even though we end up making on the show there's a lot of people that probably don't

pass like no definitely don't look at that house like they probably passed and so for me it's like I'm trying to figure out what makes them fail on it I don't know like it's really it's really hard And it's always been, like, I always say, like, after leaving the show, I want to write, like, a whole, like, thesis on this show and, like, everything. Like, seriously, on the psychological, like, aspects of it all. Totally. Because it's insane. Like, I actually don't get it. But when it comes to psych, the fact that they let people through, and I know that people aren't passing it.

But then when you meet with the psychologist, they ask you, like, three questions. And it's, like, the three most random ones. Yeah. And it's like, okay, we're done. And it's like, I was like, oh, that was my. I was like, oh, that was quick. And he was like, yeah, like, you did great. And I was like, okay.

And, like, I know, like, for me, like, I'm not saying, like, I'm, like, eliminated from having any, like, mental health problems. But I know, like, there's things that I was concerned about for myself. And I'm, like, they're not even, like, flagging that or really going into depth about that. So, like, why is that the case? It's the why. Yeah. It's the why. It's a why for me.

Unless you have a theory. I just thought it was just they don't want to let a murder in. Oh, like, you don't want to. They do. They do. I mean, let's get the show props. They do crazy. Background check.

Well, they obviously need to be better. Like, everyone needs to be better. Right. Like there's always stuff that comes up. But I do feel like they put a lot of work into it. And I think like criminal background stuff, they're going to find that. My theory is, this is my thing. Because I used to work in strategy at a bank and they would give these personality tests. And there's all different types. They would give them to all the bankers to test their like emotional IQ and just like other areas. And what I was always taught by the people that give those tests. And for anyone listening right now, like you're about to go work for a company or you're going through the hiring process. They give these tests a lot. My understanding is they will do a ton of questions because they're looking for you to be inconsistent with your answers. So they'll ask the same question a hundred different ways. And if on question one, question 454, it's actually the same question worded differently. If you're still consistent, you're going to like crush that test.

But then my theory was they do it so they can know certain personality types. So when they cast for the show, they have all different personality types so they can make a good TV show. So if you do any more analysis on this, I want you to come back into a whole behavioral study. That's my take on it. But let me ask you this. You know, obviously we talk careers and money here. You worked as a child and family therapist. A little bit about what that work life is like. How many hours are you working? Like where can pace start? Where can it end? Is there incentives if you go on your own? Just give us a synopsis for you and might even think of that career track. Yeah. No. So obviously my master's was in clinical mental health counseling.

So right after that, which was like a very brief time between like when I graduated grad school up until starting like bachelor and even bachelorette, I started working like right away. And I will have to say I was, my specialization was in trauma. So you're working extreme hours. It is literally anywhere from like 35 hours a week to up to like honestly like 55 hours a week. Like your caseload is insane just because of how much intakes and clients that you're getting. me. I will be honest, I got extremely burnt out quickly, which is like crazy to say being it, even being my first year or like my second year into like that career, which was really eye-opening for me. And I was like, okay, like, I have to like take a beat here, take a break to see like,

obviously I'm really passionate about this field. But the fact that I'm getting so burnt out so quickly because of the amount of hours and how much I'm like being exposed to was was a lot. Pay, I will say like therapists. If anyone's in this field, you do know like if you're not working in private practice or at a really good private practice, you're not truly getting paid what we deserve to be paid. So you're looking anywhere from like a starting salary after grad school is like 50,000. And then if you're in private practice, like that can go into like 100,000 plus. So like it all depends on your caseload client and then obviously private or if you're in like, if you're working in a hospital, you're not getting paid like a mental health like institute like you're not getting

paid. Okay. So if you're working for like a larger healthcare organization or or like a hospital or something like that, it's likely your pay is gonna be significantly lower than if you go out on your own and do a private practice. Right, which is really hard to do that, like starting off, like, entry level or just like right after you're finished because you have to get like your hours. It's like a whole process.

It's so much. It's not just easy of like, okay, I graduated and then like I'm off on my own. Like you're looking at years into building a private practice. Plus you're taking on, like you said, you're taking on a lot of people's stress and traumas. And I have to assume, is it fair? Is this a fair synopsis? Yeah.

You shouldn't go into this unless you are just so truly passionate about the worker impact. I'm just thinking even the level of degrees you got, student debt, a 50K, that's going to think a long time to pay master's back. Yeah. So, okay. Yeah. That's interesting. Then I got to ask you this. And then I'm coming over to you, Mr. Integrative Medicine Consult.

Then we're going to break it down. You see, I'm not going to name any names, but you see a lot of people that have been on the show that are connected. The Bachelor, some of which have been therapists. Some of them tried to be therapists. What's your overall take on people from either the Bachelor franchise and or the use of social media with people providing all this therapy talk? Yeah, therapy talk. But don't maybe have like the background or medicine. Like, what's your take when you see it? Yeah. It's kind of like it's infuriating. I'm not going to say I don't get it. I get it. But then again, like for someone who obviously like I went to school for it, But then also, like, I've dealt with, like, the worst of the worst and I've seen things.

I have a big problem with just, like, how much social media has transformed, like, therapy and therapy talk, like, how much I think it is, like, creating a bigger problem when it comes to, like, mental health. Because it's, like, easy, accessible for people. And that's the thing I like about is, like, oh, you can get on it. But it can also be misleading and misguiding for a lot of people, especially people who are, like, suffering or dealing with things. So, yeah, like, obviously, if you don't, you know, if you're not clinically trained, I'd advise, maybe not. Probably not.

So trading secret to the listeners because they're consuming it. So if they're consuming it from someone, you would tell them be aware or look for this or don't do this. Yeah, look for someone who probably has training, clinical training. I'll say be wary of people who are also just like consider themselves like coaches. Like I feel like even then that can also be problematic at times depending on where they got their training or where they're getting their knowledge from. look at their credentials like credentials obviously people who work hard for them we work hard for them for a reason they're there to help us and so look for those type of people be careful of like digesting too much on social media when it comes to like therapy talk again like just yeah keep keep

your guard up just be aware i'm one thing i think is i think when people share their experiences and they're talking an eye and like i went through this i'm learning this i'm going through it i feel this I tend to be more attracted and listening than if someone's telling me, like, you should be doing it. Like, you need to be doing it. Like, no, no, no. You want to share your experience. Experience is the best teacher. And I will say, and you don't have to be qualified to talk about your experience. Like that, you've actually lived it. And I will say, that's great too. But a lot of the people who are doing that don't live it. So there we go. Last question on this career stop for you before I go to you, Dotten. Did you, when you finished the show at any capacity, did you go back into work, clinical work? No. So, like, I'll save.

it for if you circle back. I do at some point want to, but yeah. We'll circle back, but you haven't been in it since touching reality TV. Got it. Dott. Integrative medicine consultant. This is why I love this show. I see things like this. I'm like, what the hell is that? Tell me it. And obviously, I mean, you got a bachelor's degree in nutrition science from California State University, two-time collegiate, all-American master's degree in functional medicine and human nutrition from University of Western States in 2022. I mean, obviously, there's a whole lot of depth here, especially within this field, but I've never even heard integrated medicine consultant. What is that? What does that mean? Tell me about the job.

Yeah. I mean, to this day, like, it's weird. It's like breaks my heart that a lot of people don't know about it, but it's true. They don't. And I remember I had only heard about it when I was trying to figure out what I wanted to do after I was about to graduate my undergrad and I'd heard of functional medicine. I was like, what the hell is that? And find out it's just root cause medicine, right? And so it's really in-depth, personalized one-on-one medicine. And it's using conventional, so Western medicine, so medications, but we try to lean on the holistic, because that's how you're going to get to the root of the issue. So me personally, I work with not so much in the clinical department. So, like, you know, I'm not looking for that, you know,

500-pound guy who, like, needs to, like, lose weight. I work with more, like, high-earners, athletes, and people like you, honestly, to try to get them to the place they want to be, right? And so I basically will map out the things that you do from when they wake up, when they go to bed, tell them why, provide education. So, yeah, it's, I call it, duh, medicine, right? It's just we live in a time now where, you know, the conventional medicine, it was effective, but there's too many variables these days. There's too many different ways that health can go wrong, all this stuff in our food. And so providing education is a big thing of what we do here, but also getting people to do the things that they need to do because, you know, medications are just band-aids. So we work with nutrition, diet, fitness, sleep, hygiene, stress, and, you know, trying to get people every tool they need and understand why they're doing everything and why it's led them to there and how they can get out of these, you know, conditions or goals that they want to meet.

Okay. Top three mistakes people make when it comes to nutrition. What would you say? Ooh, overcomplicate it. Okay. Yeah, it's funny because I'm talking about health science is so complicated. It's so deep, right? You can go forever on it. And my job is to parse out the really specific things. That's someone I need to do. But the truth is, it's simple. It's just hard, right? So I think we're always looking for that next big thing.

But when it comes to diet is the big one, right? People just, to get more specific, I think one thing people mistake people make is not intermittent fasting. It's one of the most impactful things. So you're very for your pro-interment fasting? Yeah. Because I see everything on their math and fasting. Yeah. It's great for you.

It's terrible for you. It's great for you. It's terrible for your liver. it's terrible for your sugar spikes, da-da-da-da-da. So your take is that everyone should intermittent fast. It's not my, it's just the studies, right? Yeah, the research. And when you understand human nutrition and how the body works,

you can see clearly why it's so effective, you know, as human beings. We weren't meant to be eating for, you know, 17 or 18 hours of the day. There's specific processes that go on in our body once we stop eating. Because if you think about it from an ethological perspective, which is just like evolutionary perspective, you know, we went just days, sometimes weeks without food, and our body, regulates all these processes that create healing and healing states. And so when you're constantly eating, you're constantly digesting, that's a real, it's really taxing. People don't know that

digestion is a huge. It's a big tax on the body. And so when you stop doing that, a lot of things, you know, fix themselves. So I would say that's one for sure. Number two is wasting time in the gym. I think that's a big one. A lot of people are not being effective on their phone, taking breaks. And it's like, I can be as effective in 30 minutes as they can be in two hours. Right? And then people say, I don't have time. It's like, you're just doing it wrong. So there's so many little things, you know, working out legs is a big one too. A lot of people neglect legs. Just doing the curls.

Which I get it. I really do. But, you know, you'll actually see bigger gains in every way. Yeah. If you work out these bigger muscles, take less rest breaks, you know, maximize your time. So that's a second one. Okay. And then third one, I would say, God, it's so up in the air. Hydration or protein.

There we go. I love that. Yeah. I feel like I don't get enough. No, no, no. That's big, right? Huge, right? Like, to break it down, as you can tell, I'm like a nerd about this stuff. But, like, it's like fat and carbs, our bodies can store those things, right?

And as much as they do other things besides calories, it's very minimal. Their main thing is to provide you energy. Protein does everything else, right? So if you want to lose the weight, guess what? You have to create enzymes that are going to help you lose the weight to fuel those processes. Those are from protein. If you want to gain weight, you're going to need those enzymes. So protein, most people are severely under-eating it.

And it's like for the last few decades, you know, the public consensus from, at least like the conventional medicines, like people are eating too much protein. It's just not the case. Is there a rule, though? Is there like, okay, if you weigh a certain amount, you should be eating this amount of grams? Yeah, yeah. So going back into like carbs versus protein versus fat, protein is critical in terms of like, it's the one thing that stays consistent based on your weight, right?

Like carbs and fats are things you titrate based off of your energy, how much you're using per day. Okay. But you're, so if you weigh 400 pounds, you should have a certain level of protein. And even if you're losing weight, you don't bring that protein out. Interesting. Yeah. Interesting. Yeah.

So generally the rule would be, I would say, 0.7 on the low end to 1 gram per pound of body weight is an excellent place. So the higher, you want to get on the higher end if you're more active, you're working out a lot more lower end. maybe if you're not as active and you're more sedentary. So one, one gram of protein per pound that you weigh, and then you could fluctuate it based on if you're trying to gain weight or trying to reduce weight, but keep it within a certain threshold. When I tell people, when they want to build out what, you know, their macros, the protein is the first thing you calculate that's based on your weight.

So for me, let's just use 200 pounds, 200 grams, right? It's pretty hard to get it, but at least, at least, yeah. It is like, I know. I'm doing my way. How am I getting that much? No, it's a lot. It's a lot. But when you think about how much carbs and fat you're eating, you just have to replace them.

Okay. You work up to it, and your appetite will catch up as well. So you usually measure that out 200 grams of protein, and then I use carbs and, you know, carbs based on how much I'm, if I'm working out that day, I'm going to have a little bit more if I'm not and filling the rest with healthy fats. Okay. Pretty much. Tell me about that this stuff is fascinating. Get your protein. Work out in 30 minutes, not dicking around for two hours.

Correct. And your first one is intermittent fast. So those are three good ones. the nutrition field, the industry. Typically, what are people making around? It's so broad. I mean, there's, you know, the very, like, the lowest rung to be able to work is like a coach. And then obviously there's, like, medical nutrition interventionist. Yeah. So it's really, the thing is, it's not a naturally lucrative thing. You kind of want to have your own business, right? Okay. Right now. Similar to therapy, though. Yeah. If you work into an

institution, you're going to pay it a lot. If you're working into an institution, suppose your nutrition is for a hospital. Give me a guess. Like, what do you think around they're making? Maybe 60. Okay. Yeah, 60. But if you go on your own, you can then similar to a therapist, you control everything. Yeah. Okay. Yeah, you have to get creative. You do. And that's the, you know, one thing that I had to learn was that's why I created my own business because I just saw the writing on the wall. And it's like, I was passionate about it, but how do I make sure I can eat off of it? And so, yeah, you got to get lucrative. But now the, the field is exploding. Okay. Yeah. More people are knowing about functional and integrative medicine. So now

There's definitely more opportunities. You know, I also work for a startup company and, you know, I get paid pretty well. I'm really happy why I get paid. It's because people are putting more resources than understanding the impact that these kind of, this field can have. Okay. So, Chair, I'm going back to in a second. You haven't gotten back into therapy work. You want to at some point.

We'll talk about right now, though, DPT Fitness. You said you're working for a small startup too? Yeah. Okay. And do you still own DPT Fitness? I do. I do. Ever since, I mean, really the show, like, it's much less.

I've had it tapered down. significantly my private clients. So now it's just a few that I work with. But generally at the peak, yeah, like that was my main source. And is your full-time job working for the startup? Yeah. Okay. What's the startup?

Life force. Life force. Okay. And what do you guys do? So yeah, it's just a proactive health care company. Cool. So shout out to them, love them. They, you know, have been with me through all the bachelor.

So have you been just working on the road? Yeah, literally. From the tour to start our trucks and LA. The only reason why he was able to. to come to L.A. How many hours a week are you working? Are you full time? Yeah, it's full time.

Wow. Wow. That's a lot to manage. I'm impressed by that and good for your company for letting you get through it. Okay, so you did, Cherry, you didn't go back into it. You become the Bachelorette right away. Now, when you become the Bachelet, I have to take a trip down memory lane. I think Gabby was in the mix.

Ariel, I believe was in the mix. Gabby, Ariel. I know they interviewed, I think even Brooklyn, cat. It was like a bunch of us. I remember because, like, everyone was, but your name was in the bit, but like everyone's name was in the thing. Exactly. So in my head, I'm like, yeah, okay, I'm just like going with the flow. I'm like, it's not, like, I literally was like, it's not going to be me. Like, I was truly getting my life ready to go back to work. And you were going back to work. Yes, I was going to be a family therapist.

Okay. Okay. And so how, you stopped filming Zach season when? We stopped to feel, well, so I got, I came home right, final four. So mine was like the second week before they stopped filming. So in November, like towards the middle. end of November. Okay. How long? And then you start filming the bachelor at March. When do you find out in that time frame that you're going to be the bachelor at? I got my like interview around. I had my interview in January. And then they told me at one until all. So that was like the second week. Yeah, second week in March. And then I had like two weeks to go home and pack and get the necessities and fly back out. Yeah. Did you have an inclination? Like did you have in January? You finished the

interview. Yeah. I come to you. I say charity, give me Vegas odds. Be real with me. What's the percentage you're going to be a bachelor at what do you think it was i would say probably like 60 okay so you felt pretty yeah it was like it was up there but then again i was like just i mean as we know the history of the bachelor's show after my interview i thought it was about six percent so i'm glad that you're cheating now from november to march that four-month period you then just go film are you still incurring expenses are you working do you have rent anywhere like what's the money situation like there was it was actually pretty fortunate that i was like i was living on my own in between the seasons, but I was preparing my move to Charlotte. So my brother lived in Charlotte.

So I had, I was kind of in the process of like him help, like staying with him until I like signed my lease on my place and everything. But like, thank God I didn't because I was literally like pin and paper. And then that's when I figured out like obviously like I was going to go on the show. Yeah, going to be bachelorette. So yeah, I didn't have a lot of like expenses. Luckily besides just taking care of myself. I did have a car at the time. So that was like hard. like a car note, yeah, a new car, all of that. What kind of car was it? It was a Nissan rogue, like the SUV.

Okay, gosh. So, yeah, like 22 or three, whatever. So you're paying for the car. Yeah, playing for the car myself. So I didn't have rent. So that was like nice. I'm trying to think any other like major expenses that. Yeah.

Yeah, I mean, that's pretty much it. Okay. So I was like pretty kind of like. And then you go into film. Yeah. Okay. You go into film and you didn't have a job they had to report to. Yeah.

And now you're locked in and you are. Well, the crazy part is I did, I actually did have a job. So I couldn't, I didn't tell them I was getting ready to have like my first start day. So you worked in between November. Yeah. Oh, I didn't know that. Yeah. Yeah.

And then I was relocating to Charlotte. So like the office in Charlotte and I was telling them, I was like, I'm kind of like, I just got off the show and then basically saying like, I don't really know what's next but I was like I can't put my life on hold. So I was like ready to move forward with my life, not like wait for the show. And I remember like talking to them and then they're like, okay, like we think we know where you're talking like obviously like India. Like I couldn't say, oh, like I'm going to be the next time for it.

Of course. But they knew you were just on the season. Exactly. Yeah. So they kind of, like, they obviously knew. And then, like, right before I flew out for Women's Hill All, like, my manager, she was like, let me know, like, keep me updated. And then I think she, like, found out before, like, I got to be able to tell her back. And she was like, well, she said, we'll be here if you need us.

So it was basically, like, open arms. But, yeah. You haven't needed them since. But when you left for Zach's season, did they, did you take vacation time? Did you get paid? Did they fire? It was not paid. So, okay.

So it was non-paid time off. But they let you come back. Yeah. You worked for how, you worked for two months? Yeah, basically. And then you get hired for the new game. Okay. So when you left to film The Bachelorette, were you working for an institution or yourself at this point?

I was still, I was doing both. Okay. And did they allow you to go on the show? Did you have to leave your job? What did they say? Yeah, that's part of a funny story. And like, well, because, okay, obviously I was cast in two weeks before filming started. So I had two weeks to talk about the questionnaire, all that stuff.

And I also had two weeks to tell my job. And it's like, obviously, jobs aren't going to play that. And so I remember getting that whole, getting that text about, hey, you might go on. We start for me in two weeks. And I'm like, initially, I'm like, hell, no, I'm not doing this. I'm not a reality TV guy. And I'm always thinking about my job, most importantly. And I, you know, speak to my manager, like, and obviously, I don't want to bring it up because I don't know what's going to happen.

You don't want to be like, hey, I might do this. Until you know. Until I know. I know. And then luckily, I'm really cool with, you know, again, everyone I work with is amazing management. It's awesome. And then I think it was like maybe a week before where I was in the middle of the process

and I was like just my one manager I trust in I was like hey don't tell anybody Megan shout out to Megan I was like listen I got approached you to do this thing and I don't know if I am and then her response was like listen you're pretty much telling us to go fuck ourselves like

you can kick rocks like no way I did base the way you just told the story I thought she was going to go chase it. No no it gets better it gets better so that was just that was the first you know So I was like, so that made the decision so much harder.

Yeah. Because I'm like, again, it's worker show. Yeah. And it's like, I have a great tenure there. Like, you know, I was one of the first 10 employees. So I have a really good standing there. I didn't want to all give that up. And then when I decided to do it and I told her, you know, 36 hours before I fly.

Yeah. She was like, you know, I talk with everybody and we love you. We need you. So you're good. Go out there and come back when we'll be here. Now this isn't a company that you're still with, correct? Yeah, this is them. This is the same.

You're still with that. Okay. Wow, that is amazing. So they help, wow, there, they came full circle. Yeah, no, I was like, I remember being like, I get like it's messed up. But holy sure. All right. I love it.

So you go on The Bachelorette, you are now The Bachelorette. A question I always like, especially with the book, we had, we partied our ass off at the Talk Money to Me book party. Yeah, we did. But with the book, Talk Money to Me, I'm always curious. Fantasy sweets. You're thinking about, I'm not going there. Don't know.

Not this show. But, like, obviously at this point, like, you have a, if you have a pretty good idea, this might be your fiancé and vice versa. Mm-hmm. And, you know, you only have so much time with cameras off. Right. At any point, morning, day, night, anything? Are you talking at all about your jobs, your money situation? Are you having these conversations?

I think we talked about jobs, but we definitely, like, I didn't ask, like, oh, what's your salary? Like, are you, like, debt? Like, I didn't, like, we, I did not go there. I think I was just more like, I don't know, probably more scared about other things. But finances shouldn't be like up there. But like we just didn't. We didn't cross that bridge. Did you think about crossing the bridge?

Of course. Yeah, but you just did. Yeah. Of course. Like, even watching my parents, you know, watch them, everything they've been through. Yeah. And I've told this to her since. And I'm like, I've always been aware, like, how much finances plays a big role in divorces.

Yeah. It's huge. It's way more than you a thing. You want to be like, love is love. Yeah. But it does play a big role. So I do remember thinking about it. But, like, I knew that I was in an okay position and, you know, I kind of knew enough

about her. Like, she has a master. So I'm like, she's not like she can't be worth shit, you know. There's got to be something. I mean, she's ABC's the picture. Yeah, yeah, yeah, right? I'm sure she's getting paid. So, like, I know I'm okay.

So I feel like I had more insight maybe than she would. I think for her, you know, that has less information about me. But I'm kind of glad that we didn't, you know, at least initially, like, That time is so important. It's so important. And, you know, wanting to make sure that, like, you know, again, I feel like it's one of those things we'll cross that bridge. You do have to be responsible to cross it, right? And not just say it.

But, yeah, we didn't talk too much about it. She just, I think she knew, like, the field that was in. I knew the field she was in. Okay. And we knew that was a good mesh. And then we talked a lot about schooling, too. So I was like, yeah, schooling. I was like, okay, master's.

So then how, so then you get engaged. Congratulations. That was over a year ago. Happy one year. So then what is the career? Obviously, you guys, we already spoiled it with the intro. You live in Brooklyn. But what does the conversation look like after the show?

When you talk about, like, do you start talking about the money stuff? Do you talk about the career stuff? You're going 100 miles an hour. So do you possibly think you might have to put your career on hold? Like, what did those conversations look like? Yeah. I think Doughton actually brought it up initially. Like, it was towards, I want to say, during Dancing with the Stars.

Yeah. Brought up like the whole financial conversation. But then also like, I think I think that. got bombarded with that question of like what's next for you what's next and it's like i have people in my ears saying like don't you don't need to go back to your job and then i have people saying like yeah you do and it's like for me like i was very open with dot and about it i was like obviously like i went to school for it but like i don't think i worked enough for that for me to ever really say like it's a career of mine like i had like maybe like two years under

my belt so it's like i wanted to go back i just didn't know what that was going to look like obviously coming off of reality tv and then like where we're going to end up at like what licensure is going to look like for the state that I'm in. So I was like, okay, I want to give myself like time to really think about it, which is what I'm like utilizing this time for. But like I do plan to go back like towards August, like that time frame as a therapist and still working with kids and families. Wait. Wait. Yeah. Yeah. Sorry. I'm thinking, okay, you finish filming in April, it then aired in June of 2023. Yeah. Then, you know, it finishes in August 2023. So when you're referring to August, I thought you're talking about your thought process.

Oh, no. This August, August 2024. So you're going to go back to. to yeah like i really i really do want to i just feel like it's like a part of like my purpose and like i've been fulfilled a lot from all of this and it's been exciting but also it's like that one thing of like okay like i feel like i like need to give back and it's like something that i really was like driven by and not having that and my life kind of has like this or leaves this little absent mark in my life and me and dot and talked about it and i think it's like it would be really helpful for me just like to have something to like guide myself towards because obviously Like, I mean, as much as everyone wants to, like, probably stay, I don't personally want to stay in reality TV, like, forever.

You kind of have to have something. And right now, like, obviously there's for you to go into anything, like open a podcast, all these other things. It's like, yeah, like, that's great. That could come. Other things could come. But right now, that's the one thing I know, like, without a doubt, like, okay, I did it before. Yeah. I'm passionate about it.

Like, let's go back into it. Are you going to go full time? Are you going to? That's the thing I'm still trying to decide. I, it depends, honestly, what that would look like. Obviously, it's hard to do. Well, it's not hard, but I think once you are a fully, fully experienced license, it's easier to do part-time.

You have more control and flexibility of your hours and your caselo. But like with me, still like trying to get more experience under my belt, I'd probably need to start off full-time. And then if it's too much, I think obviously the practice that I would be working with would be able to like work with me on that. But right now, yeah, the goal is to do full-time. But hopefully not like a full-case load to where it's where I was before. It was insane.

Have you been, I have a bunch of questions for you, but have you been approached since, so you're on Bachelorette, Dance with the Stars, then Dance With the Stars tour, this all just wraps. So now you have a minute to like breathe. Have you been approached at all to go on other reality shows? I have. Yeah. Okay. And have you considered those or? I thought about it, but then the timing of like, I won't say the name, but like it was really close in proximity of when they asked me. And so I was like, I don't think I need to do it right now. Close in proximity to what? Like when they asked me, can you do this show? It was like leaving for. filming in like the next few weeks and I was like you just asked me and I was like not prepared for it but then there is another show that I've been approached by that I actually would consider and would do um is it a challenge show uh no it's it's a dating show no it's like I don't even know how to describe it but without giving it away but we actually had someone do it that's part of of Bachelor Nation.

Yeah. Is it under the Disney umbrella? I don't think, well, I think it's, no. How long do they air for? I don't know that. I don't know the answer. Interesting. All right.

Last question on this show. You passed on this show? Say it again. You passed on whatever show this is. The one that initially was asked, yeah. Let me ask you about this. Can you tell me how much you were offered to be on that show? We don't even know what the show is.

Yeah, yeah. So you're not even ruining any contracts. It was 20,000. Okay. Yeah. So it's okay. But you have, yeah, now I'm giving way too much. Sorry.

chance to win more. That's my guess. Okay, $40,000. I don't have to say another word. You don't have to say another word. You pass on it because of the timing. Yeah. Got a question for both you. And let's start with you, Charity. I think especially it alludes to going back to work full time in August. I might have to edit this part out. I'll ask him first. But with our agency, I talk to a lot of people that come from the show. And the cool thing about our agency is obviously there's a lot of deals and like the money aspect. I let the team do all the deals. I really like the like coaching, the talent side. So sitting with Joey, we were talking. talking for a while and he was really struggling with identity. And I think a lot of people

that come off the show struggle with it. And I was like, dear, let me just take a step back. Like in the last 12 months, America loves you. You've made more money than you've ever made. You have a beautiful fiancé that you're super in love with. You're getting to do all these things where, like, tell me about the ideas. He's like, I just don't know what my purpose is. And then when people tell you, what job do you have? You just travel for living? It starts to hit harder. There's like a little therapy in that. Have you at all struggled with identity? with like your professional life? And is that part of your reason for going back?

Yes. Yeah. It was actually something that like got brought up and this is like full transparency. Hopefully you're okay with me sharing. Yeah, like got brought up in like an individual like counseling session for me. And I realized like a lot of the behaviors that I was like exhibiting in other areas of my life was stemming from that. It was because I was like, oh, like I don't really know what's next for me. And I hate like the question of like, oh, where do you see yourself?

Like five years from now. Like, I don't know. Like, I generally don't know. And it produced a lot of anxiety for me. And so, yeah, I think just having something that I know I can look forward to something that I know that I'm capable of doing. I don't have to, like, answer to anybody else. Like, it's my career.

I have full control over that. Structured too. Yeah, exactly. I need to structure my life. And so kind of come into terms with that and then obviously opening up to like dotting about it and like seeing how these things were playing out in areas of our life. I was like, yeah, no, like this is something that we kind of. like have to just like sit down and talk about and I have to like come to a full decision of like

what's next for charity like what do I need to do so like that I relate 1,000 percent to the struggling with the identity struggling with like okay you were this big role and this is what America knows you as because like granted they know what you did before but like we don't get a full insight into our work life before we become the bachelor bachelor bachelor's so yeah I think that's yeah it's super mature it's super thoughtful and intentional the challenge though I find with a lot of people, the ones that you're definitely in this category, having a lot of success, there's so much you don't know. But what you do know is when they do come knocking on your door, it's a lot of money. It is. It's good opportunities. And especially if you compare it to

previous world that you lived in, it's like hard to pass up. But I do think the idea of like taking control to be like, this is what I'm going to do this, how I'm going to do it is amazing. I'm going to come to you on the identity thing real quick. Before I do, is anything connected to going back to your job tied to consistent cash flow and money? Or is it more identity purpose impact? It's definitely not cash flow. Yeah. Like no shade to like yeah. But I mean, that's just anybody like that's what I'm saying. I'm really grateful for the opportunities that have come away because I can sit here and say without a doubt like I'm like able to pay off things. I'm able to like just live in like financial freedom of like not having to worry about like oh like where is the next flow of income coming

from. Like, I can say like this world has brought so much to me. So I definitely can say I'm grateful for that. But like when you think about it, it's like, oh my goodness, I'm getting this much from like a brand deal versus like I'm also working my ass off beforehand. And I was not even getting paid a fraction of that. It's like really wild to like sit and like look at. So that's what I'm saying. I am extremely grateful and I will never say I'm not. But yeah, I mean, it's definitely not for the money. It's more so like purpose and just things that I'm passionate about. Yeah. It's so interesting how those type of things impact us but have a huge tie to the profession.

And then once the professional area of your life is like fully secure, it changes everything, change your relationships, everything. Absolutely. Don, I want to go to you. Obviously, there's a lot of moving parts with this space, especially when you think about the professional world and the personal impact, especially being someone who's out of a bachelor's, you're with a lead, and now she's going on dancing with stars.

You've talked about it on your Instagrams, you've talked about on Q&A, you've talked about media interviews, how unbelievable and patient and supportive you have been through this crazy journey. easy journey. You've kept your job, Mike, unlike literally 95% of people and no shame to those who haven't. This has just been your direction. You've kept your job and working while charity's going through all this. Did you have any loss of like identity or struggle with the personal professional mayhem that kind of ensues after this year and kind and in being with someone who's like the lead and all these things are happening and you're checking in at 8 a.m. to clock into the small

business work. Like what did that feel like? liked you? And did you struggle with any of it? And if so, what it looked like? It's a good question. Very insightful I can tell. Oh, seriously. And it's another thing. Yeah, it's been some of the topic that we've discussed. I think there's two parts for me to answer this. And like the first one is, like she said, like, I it's to this day, it's still really difficult, right? To like try to fit in all the things and still work and still contribute. But like she said, for me, I'm such a purpose driven person. I mean, that's why we're on the show. That's why I fell in love with it. Like everything was, I have. I have.

to have a purpose and, you know, I'm Nigerian, do like I didn't, I wasn't born here, it came here when I was four. And so it's like, that stuff is ingrained in me to like, not just be like, oh, try to, you know, not that it's a shortcut, but, you know, in a sense, you could call it that. So, yeah, that's definitely been something that I always think about. And even nowadays, I'm, like, doing my best to try to integrate both, both those worlds, which is difficult. Yeah. I think that's the key kind of to the answer for the joys who I've also discussed with in charities, like, trying to find how to mesh these two worlds together. Right. But I think on the identity part, and I think this is relevant to your question, but it's being in this position as the one who ends up with the lead can be very difficult.

Yeah. You have to be very confident, first of all, in yourself, right? And, you know, do you mind if I kind of talk about, like, just a way that, like, you know, the opportunities that we get and what it's like being? Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. It's real. Yeah. It's real stuff, man. And it's like, you know, I think so much of charity success or anyone, any lead success, generally is a lot of it's based on the relationship, right, and success of the relationship. And so it is odd, and I'm still, to say, trying to find my groove and how I fit in with all this.

Because sometimes you feel like you're just showing up and you're just like, hey, like, what am I doing? You know what I'm saying? I wasn't the lead per se. And so that's, yeah, been very, very, I'm going to say very difficult. like I've been able to manage it. Thankfully, we talk about it all the time and she's open and she's the most understanding person in the world.

But I don't know if you understand what I'm trying to say. Yeah. Well, you know, of course, in my situation of the facts, I understand like where yeah, you're in a majority of situations that connect to like either media or entertainment, you'll question like, wait, why? Maybe I shouldn't be here.

Like, where do I stand? How does this go? Should I just sit on the sidelines and clap? Like, I don't know. So there is a lot of. And then the also thing is like it does tie, into your professional world. So like there's the personal aspect of trying to find the identity to be a supportive partner. Then there's the professional aspect to be like, wait, like should I be

part of this? Should I not be part of this? Like the whole, should I step into it? Should I step away from it? What do I actually want to do? And that becomes just very challenging. I think and there's a lot of moving parts. And I think, I mean, I can say it's with confidence. People that came from the batch of franchise, I really don't think I've ever talked to one person who ended up with the lead or was dating a lead that didn't feel something of this nature. I was going to ask you, do you even like the professional side of it? Do you enjoy it? Like, do you want to be in this space of like the limelight and media or entertainment? Are you like, just give me the fuck away from it? Because my identity was like, the weird thing is I still really like this and I still want to do it,

but I want to do it my way. I think there's levels like. Yeah, yeah, there's levels. I mean, I think it appeals to me in a sense that I like new experiences. Yeah, that's cool. So it's being in the camera and taking pictures and smile, like, is that really me? No. Like, you know, any picture on Instagram is because she asked. At the cool teeth. Like, otherwise, like, I barely post on Instagram. Like, I'm the worst. And I should, right? Like, those are things that might be beneficial, but it's just not me per se. But one thing that is me is I love new experiences and couldn't be as much as I'm talking about all these, like, things that are difficult to deal with. I wouldn't change anything because it's been so cool to see and experience all these

things that you're willing to get once in a lifetime. So at the end of day, I still feel we're very blessed and very lucky and I wake up with that and go to bed with that in mind. But yeah, it's not me per se, you know. And yeah, even like professionally, like, you know, there's a small level of like almost embarrassment, you know, and I don't like share a lot with my coworkers, you know, like I got to take time off. I won't say a while. Just like, yeah, can you cover for me?

Like, don't worry about it. Because, yeah, it's like, which are on this TV show. But, you know, a lot of them, but it's received well, I probably shouldn't be that way as much as I am. But again, I think ultimately I love new experiences and, you know, I get to meet people like you and everybody that I've met and open all these doors. And so for that, immensely grateful. Yeah, I totally get that. Totally get that. And dance with the stars. Like, we are, we've alluded to it. But that, that's a tough show on a relationship. It's a real. Like, and you had Ardom, who's like the best. Yeah. And like, you honestly, you know, it's like probably

the best case in area of everything. Yeah. No, I was like, yeah. But like, that's, it's just tough. It's just tough. So I understand that. I hear you. One thing I wanted to ask you, though, is judges were critical of not your technique, but this you showing the emotion and the confidence, right? They obviously kept in your professional life. Did you feel that as the Bachelorette?

Do you feel that's part of you or were they wrong with that? They're not wrong. The thing is it's like, it's really hard when you come obviously on a show. It's a very, like dancing is a very vulnerable thing, first of all. I think people don't realize that, but like, if you have ever taken dance, you understand how much it's not just about technique, which for me, I grew up. I had a cheerleading background. So, like, my whole life, I was trained based off of technique and technique alone. Like, when we are performing, we're performing with, like, just singing the vowels and, like, the same exact facial expressions on repeat for two minutes and 30 seconds.

Dance is different. It's coming literally from within. And obviously, the first few weeks, I was like, oh, okay, like, they want to see. see more. They were pushing me to see more. But when like it got to the point where I was getting the consistent like comment the whole season, I was literally what am I doing wrong? And like I remember coming home, there would be nights where I was just so frustrated from like dance rehearsal. And I'm like, I'm not doing something right. It was hard because it did take me back to like moments of like when I was like going through cheerleading training, but also just who I am as a person and

what people see me as. They see me as this person who's always put together and is perfectly poised. And I'm like, but that's not me. Like obviously you've seen like the. sides of me. My best friends have seen like the crazy sides of me, my family. So like people know me, but it's like I now have to like truly let the world in. Like obviously like the Bachelorette, it's an emotional journey and it's emotional experience. Y'all saw that. But like you're not seeing it in the way where it's like translated through dance and I couldn't like it was really hard. It was really challenging for me. Like I think I was more afraid of like, oh like I'm not doing it right. No one was like kind of really leading me. Like Arden was a great like I will never talk about

Ardom, Ardom was a phenomenal dancer, phenomenal artist. Like, I was really grateful for him as my pro. But I do think, like, there was times where I was like, okay, like, maybe we should not focus on technique. Like, this is the area that I really need help on. Like, let's just take one whole rehearsal doing this and this alone, not just a minute and 30 seconds working on it. So, like, that's where I was getting frustrated. And, like, it was really tiring to kind of, like, go through that. And it became a lot on me throughout the experience.

Yeah, there's a lot of things that happen behind closed doors back. A lot. There is a lot. I'm telling you, I can talk for, yeah, I can talk for hours about that. But yeah, it was hard. It was really hard. Did, so obviously career navigation ties to this podcast. You finish dancing with stars.

You come in fourth place. You know, financially it's great. Professionally, it's great for you. Personally, there's challenges that you work through. But then you get approached to go on tour. I could be wrong, but I think you were like you dabbled with tour. I did. You did a touch and go.

I did. What was the decision, especially when you're thinking like, about career navigation, trajectory, all these things, one through one through your decision process. I immediately, like, asked all the girl pros. I talked to, like, Emma, Britt, Coco, like, literally talked to that Jenna. I was like, do I need to do tour? And, like, I literally told them, like, my main concerns. I was like, obviously, we just endured and actually survived dancing with the stars, like, our relationship.

But I was obviously, like, we were still fresh as a couple. Like, we hadn't had time to really nurture, like, our relationship. So I'm like, me going on tour for another three months is actually crazy. like that's really crazy to like leave him back at home like obviously he could have came on the road with me but then i'm just thinking i'm like i just don't think like not saying that we weren't in the best place because we were in the best place if anybody could have done it it would have been me and doten but i was like i just don't think like that would be right like selflessly speaking i was like i don't want to put you through that and then also i was like i'm just also not trying to do it for

three months so i literally told them i was like it's great for my career they told me it's like yeah you probably should like never turn it down but then i was like okay but is there a way i can like just negotiate how long. They're like, absolutely. Like, if you don't want to do it that long, then just tell them how long you want to do it. So I told them, I was like, I'm open to do it for like a month or like a month and some weeks. And so it ended up working out that only, I think three celebrities were able to go. So she was first, who she won. I was on the second leg of the tour. And then Harry finished the third part of the tour. So it did work. So it did work out. I was like, this is great. Like, I don't have to do an extended time of this. They get

the people that they want to see. So yeah, it really did work out. Social media is a great place. Dancing with the Stars is a great place. Great team, great show, great everything. One thing I would say about social media and dancing with stars, given the experience I have, I don't know. I think you would agree with this. If you're going to do Dance with Stars or you're going to go on Dance with Stars tour or you're going to do anything social media in a relationship,

you have to make sure that the foundation of your relationship is like ironclad, rock solid to the core. Because if there are some areas or paper cuts or cuts or there are some holes in that, foundation and you go into social media publicly or you go into dancing with stars or dance with stars tour it's going to get ugly it's going to get ugly quick and that their social media is great dance with stars great it's just i think it's a behind the scenes thing but it's also tough because it has a huge impact on career and money and all those other things yeah so a lot of action there talk to me about social media it's a big part of a lot of people's business after the get out bachelor nation one year

you've been out in the social media spotlight are you seeing the dollars are the brand deals coming in? Is it big? Is it life-changing? Talk to you about the business. You guys are laughing left and right. What are we got? I'm just laughing because obviously Don't literally just mention how bad he is. Like this man avoids it truly like the plague. Like he hates like getting on. Well, I don't want to say you hate it.

You got to step it even for your fitness business. Like give me some tips on nutrition. You're telling me. Tell me you were a two-time all-American. I see every other bachelor person, every damn Maritime. I know. I know. You're a two-time collegiate all-American. Go put your times out there. Like, what do we do it?

No, like, I- Start bragging, die. Honestly, I need, I need, like, someone, like, an executive. You probably play a role. You probably do this for the people, but I need someone who can't make, because I'm, like, analysis paralysis. Yeah, yeah, yeah, that will kill you on social media.

I just got to fire it off. And, like, so it's, it's been cool. I mean, I've had, like, a little bit of extra cash here and there from it. It's nothing, like, crazy. It's not, like, life-changing. And it could be more if I put more effort into it. But yeah, it's also just been, as you know, like, as a guy, you know, and especially, and you're not the lead, you're not the lead. Like, my following was a 99% woman, you know, 1% guy.

It's like so hard to try to connect. And unfortunately, and it's same for her, too. People just really, the most engagement is just things of me and her. And so trying to branch out into these things. It's like, I'm so nervous of, like, fucking it up, you know, because I don't want to do one thing and everyone leaves. Yeah. Because it's so far away from her. I also don't like, you know, something that I think people don't factor is when your relationship,

especially connected to The Bachelor, you also don't want to do something that'll screw up your partner social media who's killing it out. So they're like, whatever. So, like, that's another thing. But I think what you should do is worry about less about the odds and just keep doing your stuff. I think you should just keep, like, mix in, of course, your life. But then like all these nutrition facts and like all this stuff, like there's so much to it, like the running and everything.

I don't know. I think there's something there. Let's get it going. I can even be brief. I feel like it doesn't have to require like a whole bunch. No, it's just a little. You're just such a disciplined guy. Like you just apply that to your social media.

It's a little bit of work. Yeah. We'll talk offline. I'll get them going, all right? I'll get you going. How about for you? Yeah, for me, I will say I have, like, I've clearly haven't been working, so I'm like, it's good.

Yeah, it's been great. I can't lie. Like, it really has been great. But I think the same thing that Don't mention, like, it's just really fascinating to see to, like, even for me, like being the Bachelorette and being a woman, like the most engagement we get off of our post is like either, or for me, whenever I post with him, obviously, because yes, this is why people fall almost and tuned in in the first place. But then it's also like, for me, what I struggle with is like, and I hate that, I'm just going to talk about it on

here. But it's like, remember when I asked you or when I like asked you, like, oh, is this like an appropriate picture that I can post online? Like, and it's usually obviously, Jason, you know, like a swimsuit picture or like some things like that. Like those are the posts that like get it's crazy to me because I'm like oh I'm here sharing like my skin care things that are going to help you and yes people will tune in but they don't really care but it's like all they care about is like me and dying or like a half-necked picture online and I'm like this is insane and I'm like I just don't know if I can like yeah yeah I can go with the consistency of this so for me like that is like hard I'm like okay like obviously you want to pull in the numbers but then I'm like no that's just not me so I'm not going to like put my like make my grid something that's not who I am so yeah it's It's hard, but, you know, I make it work and I have been really, I feel like pretty successful in the brand deal department. But, yeah, we would always love more. Okay. We're not allowed to say that.

Yeah, you're not having any advertisers out there. Get them more. Let's go. You got to start posting more. I'm going to get on you about that. All right. Talk to me. Dance with Stars.

We already addressed it. You were on it. Dance with Stars coming up. Batser Nation. Who do you think would be a good fit for Dance with Stars? If we're talking leads, obviously. Talk to anybody. Who do you think?

Who do you see? Oh, anybody. Okay. Who do you see. Not that, like, you're like, I think this person actually could be selected. Yeah. Charity's predictions. I, okay, obviously before the golden thing happened, I was like, Gary would have, I think,

like, it would have been really good and engaging because they love Barry from my, like, my season, they've been crazy over him. But if we had to talk about, like, who we think, I think it's probably Joey. Yeah, yeah, yeah. We were like, I think Joey would do really good. And then my next prediction would probably be, like, Maria, she has a dance backer out. So she would do really good. I don't know.

Like, I don't know if Jen wants to do it. She probably does. Would she be good at it? Probably. But I would have to rank it in that order. Okay. There you go. All right.

We'll see what happens. I'm sorry. I'm good. I'm good. I'm good. I'm good. I take the paycheck, but I wouldn't do it. I would do it, but they were not going to approach me.

I'm like guy number 845. Initially, like, yes, we like started wedding planning, but then it got to the point where. yet now you have to like you have no choice but to start looking at numbers and factoring everything in and like when you're starting meeting with these people like obviously like there's things and vendors that are willing to help us but still like the like the cost of it is like still so expensive and I think we were both just like okay like let's do what makes sense in our lives and where we're at for like the stages which is like we're still projected but like also this

is us saying out loud it's like if it gets bumped back a month or two don't be mad at us but we're doing, like, what's best. But it is a lot, and it's overwhelming. And for me, I get obviously very overwhelmed very easily. So I would, like, have my head set on, like, certain things that I want to accomplish for the month. But then, like, when I, like, look at it and I look at what it entails, I'm just like, no. And then I put it off, which is a really bad thing. Yeah.

When it goes to wedding, it is. Yeah, you're putting it up. But also, it's like, we haven't had, like, people have to understand. We've been going. Also. Like, just now is about the time where. Yeah. Yeah, just now.

It's like something you have to be consistent. And like we literally just since Dance with the Stars, the tour. And since then we've been traveling, yeah. Traveling, like just now is when like things are settling down. I mean, we have obviously like CMA coming up. But like, so it's also been difficult to be consistent enough. Yeah. Plan and to have like the stability to do it.

But yeah, those numbers are going to be disgusting, obviously. It's like we're trying to do two and we're trying to do one in Nigeria. So it's like, yeah. We want to do it smart and like not rush it because it's, it's, It's just, it's already going to be a nightmare. It doesn't need to be also like... And that's why I keep telling people. I'm like, I just, I don't like want it to get to the point where I'm like, I dread having

because it's supposed to be the, like, exciting time in your life. And I'm like, I don't want to do it right now. Like, I don't want to like deal with this right now. And like, I don't want that to be my experience. Are you going to create like a joint? You're going to be like, this is our budget. We're going to do what we can do under this. And the rest is history.

Oh, no, that's actually crazy. Yeah, no, there's things where I do have my life. I am pretty, I feel like I am pretty. pretty frugal for a girl. Like, when it comes... Not bad. All right, this is a... Wait, this is...

That was good. I don't explain. Like, I do feel I have, like, set things for... Yes, yes. Okay, we aren't having this conversation. Wait, I have a great transition to a segment I wanted to do, actually. We can wrap with this. So it's talk money to me.

I give a few questions that are not very invasive. They're, like, high-level fun questions that people can ask out on dates. They can ask on a date. You guys are engaged playing your wedding. It should be easy to ask you guys this one. This would be a great segue to the first one. Don, you're going to go next. What is one thing that charity overspends on,

and you're just like, unless she's broke, she's going to keep overspending on this thing. What is that thing? Please. I know. Be careful. Here's a deal. It's more of quantity than it is, like,

quality like they're a close although you are close closes the answer though it's like oh he's gonna say I don't need it's a lot of them and yeah and it's like okay new thing and okay so I would say that's that's one of the ones do you agree do you think that's something you overspend on unless you're broke you'll always spend on that like what's your answer to the one thing I think well to be fair like we have I had this debate when we went on the couple's trip with like Zach and Katie and Joey and Kelsey I was like when it comes to girls we just have to like have more variety of outfits like I can't wear this.

Like, he can get away with wearing this, like, 80 times, and no one's going to know. Like, if I, like, it's just like a thing of, like, we have to have variety. So, granted, I do have more clothes. And, yes, I will continue to buy them. I love it. All right. So he nailed it, though. He was right.

He was right. Clos is your answer. All right. You're in the hot seat. What's one thing that? And overspends that, but unless he's broke, he's going to keep spending out. One thing. What do you think it is?

God, honestly, never overspends. This man is so great out. It's got to be one thing. I will say food. Okay. Like eating out. Yeah. Did you agree?

Yeah. Just because we've just been on the move. Like before all this, I was really good with like cooking at home. But this has become a lot more difficult. Okay. Yeah. I like it. All right.

Let's do another one. So you can answer this. Okay. What would you, if you had to define your relationship with money. So how would you define your relationship with money? We're like mine or like together. No, like your, no, no, no. Charities relationship with the word money means.

Okay. Um, I'm wise with my money, but I can be a lot better when it comes to budgeting. Like, I feel like sometimes I'm like, oh, it's okay if I go and that's like really bad. Like if I go over, it's like, what's that girl math where I'm like, oh, I didn't spend this much in this category so I can spend it more in here. Yeah. So it can be a lot better. I just, I really do need to be better at budgeting. But I am like, I will not spend a necessary amounts of money for no reason.

Like I can't bring myself to do it. I truly can't. Okay, cool. Fair? What would you say your relationship? You're like, you approve of that? Yeah, yeah, yeah. She's very sensible.

Like, even if it gets to a point, she can talk it out and like she's not like she's very sensible. Yeah. And just about everything, finances and beyond. One thing that's good, I think, with talking about it is if you identify that clothes is your number one priority. Yeah. Then even though it's not your number one priority, a good thing to be like, all right,

if it's spending on clothes, I'm just going to, that's what makes her. But then, like, that's, that's what makes her. But then, like, that's, that's, that's, that's, happiness, but then priority like two, three, and four that I always say, like, you have to know your person's number one priority so that you try not to judge it or like shame it, but then priority two, three, and four, you might have to come back a little bit. If you're going to be nice about number one, you got to be ready to get some shit for number two, three, and four. And like writing that list with your partner, like a top five list,

I think is really good. So then in your head, when you see clothes, just shut up. Like that makes her happy. But when you see two, three, and four, you're like, okay, eight boxes of clothes came up and I saw number five on your list pop up left and right. We didn't do that. Give that a shot. What are you going to define

your relationship with money? What is your relationship with money? My relationship with money. You know, it's kind of interesting. I don't know how to put it, but like I've always kind of been, I mean, I mean, grew up like, you know, very poor, but like parents did really well off.

So I understand how hard work equates to more money. And I think because of that, I have a mindset of, like, Like, I'm not, even though like I don't spend a lot, I also don't restrict myself. And I always say that like as long as, I don't know, for some reason I've always, as long as I'm spending it, I've always been able to make enough to match. So I kind of use money as like a motivation. Like if this type of lifestyle want to live, what do I need to do in my own, like, you know. It's like a tool to get you in life.

Yeah. And so that's kind of been really like what's work for me. But I'll say the big thing that I do spend on. I mean, it's like experiences. I'm big on experience. Okay. Candle things? I'm not the same.

I could care less. Yeah, I'm a big of experiences too. So I don't know if that answers the question. It does. It does. It does. All right. We're going to end to Tring Secrets in just a second.

Before we do, though, you would come to the States when you're four, right? So when you said that you grew up very poor, what age, tell me about that. Yeah, I mean, you know, parents came here on a visa, got really lucky, got chosen, and they had to live my aunt in Fresno, California. That's where they were at. So we moved to Fresno, and that's how it became hometown for me. And, yes, she just, you just, you just, you just, I just had to live with them for, I think, like, a year, two years like that.

And eventually we kind of got kicked out, and, you know, we're going to be put on the west side, which is a bad tide of town. But my dad was like, no, we're not playing that. I'm not putting my kids in the bad side of town because it's cheaper. So we got a place that was a little bit out of our range. I just watched my parents, my dad, really worked from McDonald's. Like, literally, McDonald's, 35-year-old's, thick accent, barely speaks English, and work his way up to become a sheriff.

If my mom watched her become a nurse, an RN, and, you know, honestly. like really just put the family, put it, put all of us up in a huge way. So, yeah, I grew up for. And like, so I remember all those things. And I watched them, like I said, it worked to be above average, above middle class. So that's. Yeah. And that's why, I mean, I ask because like when you understand that stuff,

it makes sense why your relationship with money then is it's like a tool for your next means of lifestyle. And you want to keep moving that. And I do think like that's what's good. Like therapy, actually connects a lot to money. You know what I mean? Like our instinctual habits and like why we work the way. we do a lot connects to like what we saw when we were younger. So I find it all fascinating. Last question I got for you before trading secret. You win $100,000 right now. It's going to

rapid fire. You got $100,000. You got $100,000. It's right there. It's cash. You have to spend every single dollar, 24 hours. How are you spending it? Charity, go first. Okay. I would. Oh my God. How would I spend it? Okay. Obviously, I'm going on a shopping spree. Buy some clothes. Yeah, buy some clothes. I'm going to give a fraction of it to my parents to let them like obviously use my dad's retired but my mom's not so hopefully she'd be like okay yeah retire i'm trying to think what else i would put a down payment on a house because i want a house so bad like that's one of my goals for next year okay i think i think you're out of your hundred yeah i'm like i'm yeah first thing comes to mind is my parents i don't know how that would happen but i would give

them a huge chunk of it and then i'd probably give my little brother a huge chunk of it too because he's into stock so i want to encourage him to go that route so i'd probably create some TD account for him like that. And then the rest of it, honestly, like, I'll keep a little bit just to have fun and, like, splurge it on something. Maybe buy some tickets to, you know, some European country or something like that. And then the rest of it would probably just go towards student loans. I like it. That's great. The reason I ask that is because then you get to hear the way you guys think and it makes you think and that it makes you manifest. And then what's interesting, though, is both you guys family. Like giving the family. That's huge. That's

amazing. All right. Well, this has been a great episode, Trang Secrets. We've gone through like every stop of your resume, which has been a whole lot of stops and more to come. obviously therapy again in August. So we'll have to have you guys back in a year from now and see how that journey goes. But you've got to leave us one trading secret, something we couldn't learn from anyone else, not a professor or a TikTok tutorial or a YouTube or textbook, just from your experience. So one trading secret, life, money, personal recommendations. It could be literally anything.

Who wants to go first? I would have to like make this a two-parter, but like being grateful, right? And that comes from not being born here and coming here. and always knowing what my life would have been like if we did win that visa, right? How much luck is involved with life and how lucky everybody is. And then like something a little bit more tangible, it ties into it with me in terms of being grateful is meditate. That's been the single most important thing that I've firstly done. You know, my dad used to say that, you know, anybody can take away when I was doing athletics.

Anybody can, you can, you know, played sports. But he's like, you can get injured and that can be taken away. The one thing you always have until you don't is your bind. And so, yeah, and I'll leave everyone with this quote that I live by, and it's pain is inevitable, but suffering is option. Ooh. And so it's all different things, but to me, it's all kind of ties into the big picture of life and never live inside of that.

That is a tough act to follow, Ms. Charity Lawson. That was a great training secret, but give us something. Where I'm at mentally, and when it obviously we're talking about finding, And then me and Dotten just being a couple coming from reality TV. I would say, like, do not hesitate or do not pull yourself away from having the hard conversations about anything, but especially, like, finances with your partner. I remember, like, just being grateful for Donn because when we first had it, I was, like, terrified out of my mind.

I was like, we're just going to go. Like, is this it for us? But, like, he just met me with so much grace and, like, compassion. And I think just our ability to communicate, like, on a sound level. Like, we're both just on the same page about a lot of things. It's, like, really important. But, like, even if you don't find yourself like that with your partner, just be willing to get there or try to get there.

And then also, like, I guess, tying into the second half of it is forgiveness over the small things, like, forgiveness over things that typically, like, you're easy to jump into, like, maybe an argument about, but you realize, okay, like, tomorrow this really won't matter unless it will save yourself from it, let it kind of go off the shoulder. So, yeah. I like that. practice what you preach to because I think it's in a space where you were somewhere and then overnight it changes and the dollars, the cameras, the lights, the action, it's sent to you

and you still were able to pull back and be like, this is more important than that and prioritize. It is so hard to do. It's so hard to do in this space. It's a daily practice. And what you're suggesting, obviously, you're practicing, which is beautiful. So Charity, thank you guys so much for being on this episode, Trigg Secrets. where could people find more, you guys, your social media, everything you have going on? Yeah, Instagram, Charity Lawson. Please follow this man.

This man has nutrition facts coming your way. Yes. On the contest. At the end of this week. Go follow him. It is coming. It is coming. Thank you guys so much for reading on this episode of Trigg Secrets.

Thank you, Jason. Ding, ding, ding. We are closing in the bell to the charity and Dotten episode. Now, let's just take a quick little beat here. That was a long episode. It was jam-packed, but it was long. I first and foremost, want to give a shout out to our focus group at Trading Secrets that we had last week. They gave us so much feedback, information, positive reinforcement, and new ideas.

Quick shout out to Jen from Toronto, Barbara from Brooklyn. We had Symphony in from Chicago. We had Debbie coming in, Macy. I mean, there were so many. I could list literally 30 more. But one of the things that we heard was that sometimes we talk about ideas on our first episode. and we don't follow through. And so we thought with this week,

it's a big Bachelorette week. We have Charity and Don, the last Bachelorette. This week, we have timed an unbelievable episode with the Bachelorette Jen Tran. That episode will be out next Monday. So we said, let's combine Bachelorette in business.

And what we're going to do this Thursday is we're going to recap the Charity and Donn episode. But we're also going to take a deeper look at the guys. Bachelor meets business. We're going to pull up their profiles on LinkedIn. We're going to talk about our favorites. We're going to see what ABC titled them as,

what it relates to their careers, but what it actually looks like on LinkedIn. So this Thursday, we're going to recap Charity and Dotten, and then we are going to do a Bachelorette breakdown, talking about the business and backgrounds of the careers of all these people that are on Gen C's in this Thursday on the More Than Money episode. David, what do you think about that? I mean, I think it's about time.

I think it's about time that we just sink our claws in a little bit deep dive. And it just so happens. We have the last female lead in charity. We got the new female lead in Jen. We got back-to-back bachelor's episodes. And you know what? They say, don't judge a book by its cover.

We're going to, we're not going to judge. We're going to do a little predicting by their covers. We're going to, you know, we're going to have the first episode of Jen season fresh in our brain that premieres tonight. And then we're going to hit this Thursday more than money. And we're going to make a little predictions based off of, you know, a little analysis, a little deep dive, some social medias, there's some LinkedIn's, and just an overall feels, little feels that we get off the first episode. So I'm really excited. I mean, I don't want

to say recapping the episode of The Bachelorette, but we're just taking a little analytical deep dive into the business behind it and see how it plays out. The Bachelorette meets business. That's what we're doing this Thursday. Now, I do want a highlight in our focus group, we got all kinds of feedback. We want female entrepreneurs, we heard. We heard we want non-for-profit entrepreneurs and those who have started organizations. We have heard we want more specialists out there, like doctors. We heard that we want more normies out there. We heard that the Money Mafia also wants us to think more about different industries like the toy and game business, the farming business, blue collar business, oil and gas business. We were told by a lot of people,

we want entrepreneurial stories. So all that feedback that we got, and trust me, I have pages and pages has not gone unnoticed and we will implement it. But for this week, we're going to do the Bachelorette meets business. We're going to break down these guys, their LinkedIn profiles. The whole nine yards will recap Charity in Dottin's episode. And then the next following Monday, we are going to have the current Bachelorette Jen Tranon. David, you like it? I love it. But in typical Jason fashion, he forgot out the most important aspect of what the focus group says they want to hear more from. And they want to hear more from. And they want to hear more from Jason.

They want more life updates. They want to peel back the onion a little bit. And Jason just listed off pretty much everything that they said that they wanted, which is true. They all said that they wanted that. But when someone, some brave lady came on. Jamie, I remember. Her name was Jamie.

Jamie said, we want more of Jason. We want more this. We want more vulnerability. We've seen sides of it, like leaning into that aspect, like at the end of the day. And here he is. He just can't, he just doesn't even talk about it. So, you know what? That's the curious Canadians job.

We're going to keep poking at those layers. We're going to keep peeling back the onion. We're going to just get Jay a little more comfortable with some vulnerability aspects and just, you know, he does such a good job on the business side, connecting our guests, being a great host. But you know what? The host needs to just take a Xanax sometimes, like he's back in the banker office and just let loose a little bit. So that came up in the focus group. Mr. David Ardoin, if I took a Xanax and let loose a little bit, we might need the mics for hours upon

hours upon hours. But I am doing my best to internalize so much and stay regulated. When I'm not regulated, stay off the mics or any type of social media. We got batteries, Jay. We got batteries. Yeah, we got a lot of batteries in the house. So, you know, we could do this. But look, I'm really excited because one of, like you said, one of the biggest feedbacks we got is sometimes, Jason, David, you have such good ideas. You tease so many things. And maybe the follow-through isn't necessarily there and we kind of keep people on the edge of their seat bachelor's week is going to be fun Thursday's episode is going to be fun there's going to be some laughs it's going to be fun to kind of track these things throughout the season and kind of a big deal for us getting jen the lead

as kind of in line with the premiering of the season that's a big step for training secrets it's a big step it's a big step and i also want to put out there you know you're right david jamie came in and she's like listen we want more you jason peel the onion back i want to hear more we respect you we need it more like give us more of vulnerability we want to hear more from your family they want to hear more from friends so they want more like me you and some of the other buddies on to do that we also got some feedback like hey enough of the reality people right like we also want entrepreneurial stories so we're doing our best to manage all that that feedback too is heard will be implemented but for this week that's it for the recap we'll be recapping this thursday with

charity dot and we will be doing a breakdown of all the guys their careers what it looks like on LinkedIn and our predictions. David, anything before we wrap? Just that Charity and Don, I mean, they are sweethearts. They are absolute sweethearts. They seem so happy together. They're almost like couple goals in a lot of different ways. I'm excited to get into more details on Thursday when to recap it before Bachelorette meets business with the boys. Two of my favorite people, truly, from the bow of my heart that have come from the franchise. Charity and Dotten, just two incredible people. Love that, David. We'll talk more about on Thursday. Thank you for tuning into another episode of Trading Secrets, one you couldn't

afford to miss.