Trading Secrets - 183. Jenn Tran: ABC's newest Bachelorette discusses balancing the spotlight in her historic season, pursuing her career as a physician assistant, and the importance of discussing money while dating.

Episode Date: July 15, 2024

This week, Jason is joined by ABC’s newest leading lady, The Bachelorette of Season 21, Jenn Tran!  After charming the nation with her bubbly personality on Joey’s season of the Bachelor, Jenn has made Bachelor franchise history being the first Asian American bachelorette. Prior to joining reality TV, Jenn was in the middle of pursuing a career as a physician assistant, which she had to temporarily put on hold to pursue her opportunity as the bachelorette.  Jenn gives insight to pushing through the noise around her as she navigates being the bachelorette, why she almost turned down The Bachelorette, how she is taking every opportunity thanks to her mom’s sacrifices, how her PA TikTok’s landed her on Joey’s season, how she was able to get the time off for PA school, how she handled the hard conversations around leaving the ER rotation to be the Bachelorette, and the importance of talking about professions while dating. Jenn also reveals that what flags went up while getting know the men, how she feels about the gimmicks on the first night, going with her gut, the importance of being transparent when it comes to debt and finances, what she looks for in her partner’s career, and a rapidfire game of red, beige, and green flags. Which celebrity loves Jenn’s mom? Which former Bachelorette did she reach out to before starting her season? What was the first season of The Bachelor she watched?  Jenn reveals all that and so much more in another episode you can’t afford to miss!  Host: Jason Tartick Co-Host: David Arduin Audio: John Gurney Guests: Jenn Tran Stay connected with the Trading Secrets Podcast!  Instagram: @tradingsecretspodcast  Youtube: Trading Secrets Facebook: Join the Group All Access: Free 30-Day Trial  Trading Secrets Steals & Deals! Linchpin: Hiring top talent for your teams has never been easier. Linchpin is a recruitment firm that creates custom hiring and consulting services. If you are looking for a results driven and human-centered approach - this is your solution. Head over to thelinchpinco.com/contact and select Trading Secrets in the 'Where did you learn about us” section for 10% off your first placement! Monarch Money:  Unlike other personal finance apps, Monarch’s simple, intuitive design makes it so easy to set up, customize, and use. Get an extended thirty-day free trial when you go to monarchmoney.com/SECRETS ASPCA Pet Health Insurance:  The ASPCA Pet Health Insurance program offers customizable accident & illness plans making it easier for pet parents like you to help your pet get the care they may need. They allow you to customize your plan, helping ensure that your pet’s plan is as unique as they are. To explore coverage, visit ASPCApetinsurance.com/TRADINGSECRETS BetterHelp: If you’re thinking of starting therapy, give BetterHelp a try. It’s entirely online and designed to be convenient, flexible, and suited to your schedule. Take a moment and visit BetterHelp.com/tradingsecrets today to get 10% off your first month Trading Secrets is sponsored by BetterHelp

Welcome back to another episode of Trading Secrets. I'm your host, Jason Tardik, and welcome to the pre-market trading segment where I'm to tell you a little bit about what you can expect from today's guest, a money tip and an update from my life. But before we go any further, please remember to subscribe to the podcast We have a full YouTube page. It's just Jason Tardick in which we put all the trading secrets stuff out there. This full episode is on YouTube and go subscribe there. And we also have an Instagram page, Trading Secrets Podcast.

Now, this guest is one that we're extremely excited about. It's the first time since the inception of Trading Secrets podcast that ABC came to us asking us to interview one of their leads in the midst of the season. So we were super, super excited about that. To give you a little background behind that, there's two really important factors there. One means there's a good strength of relationship with the show and ABC and, of course, the production company. But two, it also shows that we have the credibility and we've been around enough to be included in their press tour, which is extremely exciting.

When you think about a podcast built on money and finance and business and to think that we have that capability, it's unbelievable. And I'm extremely grateful for it. And we have you, the listeners, to thank and for always keeping us honest with where we need to go with this show. We continually seek feedback. And when we get it in the reviews and in emails, we do everything we possibly can to adjust the show to be best for you.

Now, Jen Tran, there is so much action on this podcast. We'll talk about when she got offered to be the Bachelorette, what she knew about other people being offered being the Bachelorette, what the likelihood is, the exact number that she was going to take the role once offered. We'll talk about how much PAs make because she's in P.A. school right now, but she's had to take quite the leave of absence from P.A. school. We'll talk about when she took the leave of absence.

Did she go back after filming Joey's season? And how did she get off P.A. school for filming again to be the Bachelorette. That full story is in this episode. We'll talk about Kelly Rippa because why would we not? Everyone talked about it. And this interview was just the day after her and Kevats. Kelly Rippa had a little friendly exchange, if you will, about the Bachelorette and taking

on the role and Kelly Rippa giving her a couple shots, but her giving a shot back to Kelly saying, hey, didn't you meet your husband on TV too? Now you'll also hear us talk notoriously. Kelly has, she's been a critic of the show. And even as someone that's been on the show, I remember for PR prep for myself, we were told, I was told that, you know, Kelly could be tough. So it's interesting to see all these years later. She's still tough on people that come from this franchise. You're going to hear us talk about that. There's just a lot of action. When you talk about loving money, she on night one met 25 guys with 25 totally different career tracks. And she gives us her whole take on what those careers mean, what money means to her. Did she talk money in the fantasy

suite? What did those first impressions mean as it relates to her final top 10, top four? all those answers are on this podcast. Now, a little money tip, which is aside from this episode, but it's trading secrets. The whole thesis of this is we weren't taught money, business, and finance in our school system. So if we weren't taught it, how can we act on it? Let's talk about it. So one thing you should know, the last month in June, it was the first time in four years that prices on everyday goods and services actually fell. In other words, June was the first time since the pandemic, we started paying less for stuff than the previous month. Now, we don't want people to get confused or sidetracked. The amount that we're paying, the overall prices of

goods are still 20% higher than they were in February of 2020. But this is a good trend. We see that overall GDP is up. So our economic output for United States is up. We know that job security is good. Wage growth is good. Unemployment levels are. are good. The market is at all-time highs. And for the first time in a long time, we're seeing inflation come down. So these are all positive things when we think about the overall U.S. economy. And let me just tell you, right now, the Dow Jones, the NASDAQ, and the S&P 500 are ripping. So if you're not taking excess cash and making money on your money, get on it. We just had Howie Mendel on. I'll never forget what he said. Every dollar he earns, those

dollars are employees for him, and those dollars can help him go make more money if you put that money to work. So make sure you're doing just that. A little update from my life. Right now, I am in Fort Worth, Texas. For the MLB All-Star game and the MLB draft, this place is beautiful. If you've never been to Fort Worth, you have to check it out. It has so much character. The stockyards are a place like I've never seen before. And on this whole trip, guys, it's been nuts. I started off in Idaho. I was in this area called Gaza. It is a discovery property.

And they call it North Hollywood. And I can't, my neck was turning left and right from the people I'm seeing there. Famous hockey players, Justin Bieber's got a house up there. Wayne Gretzky's got a house up there. Miles Teller was there. I was sitting at lunch. Just imagine like an everyday restaurant. I was sitting at lunch.

And Kim Kardashian and Kendall Jenner walked right by me. They walked right by me. Like, I could not believe it. and that's the type of place it is. It's nuts. Cat has some friends that have a home up there, and we went to go visit them and had just the best time. Went to New York City for a bunch of podcasts. Those were like 17-hour days. I was wiped. And then was up in the air about going back to Nashville or not. And I don't know. I was like, I need to go see Cat. So I went all the way back to LA, went up to Montecito, saw Cat for two days. And now, right now, I'm in Fort Worth, Texas.

and then I'll be in Nashville for a little bit after that. So it's been a crazy run, a crazy little tour. Everything is going well in life. You know, I'm feeling really good. Things are good, but enough of me. Enough of inflation. Let's get into why you're here. The current Bachelorette, Jen Tran.

Welcome back to another episode of Trading Secrets. Today we are joined by ABC's newest leading lady, the Bachelorette of season 21, Jen Tran. After charming the nation with her bubbly personality on Joey Grazia Day season of The Bachelor, Jen has made Bachelor franchise history, being the first Asian American bachelorette for the franchise. Prior to joining reality TV, Jen was in the middle of pursuing a career as a physician assistant, which she had to temporarily put on hold to pursue her opportunity as the bachelorette. We are going to chat with Jen about her experience on the show, what the process was for her

when accepting the opportunity, both personally, professionally, and even financially. We're going to get into all of it, A to Z. Jen, thank you so much for being on Trading Secrets. Thank you for having me. I'm excited to be here. So, you know, some of these questions might be a little bit different, but, you know, this is a business podcast. So we'll touch on some of the reality TV, but we're going to touch on some other things, too.

Can't promise I have answers for everything. Well, I got to try. Okay. That's my goal. Got to go for it. Okay. Here we go. First thing we'll talk about.

So on the show, we talk a lot about numbers, financial transparency, and like the economics behind things. So we know that your season just premiered. I'm just kind of curious, like behind the scenes, do the producers or executives, do they tell you at all about like the numbers, the success of the first episode that premiered? Like ratings and viewership wise?

Not really. I don't think so. No, I haven't heard anything really yet. But I mean, obviously there's Instagram accounts that I kind of follow that kind of stuff. And I've been seeing some stuff like pop up. bachelor data yes all right a little shout out to bachelor data so i actually got my information from bachelor data okay podcast susanna is a friend of the show she's been on plenty of time she's great so i got

some news for you please congratulations there's only been four bacheloretts to gain from previous seasons ratings you are now the fifth in 21 seasons you're the fifth bacheloret that had a show after a previous one and there was an increase in viewers the increase in viewers the increase in viewers that she reported to me was 700,000 plus people in that 24-hour span. And you gained 14,728 followers in 24 hours after the premiere, which is more than Joey. I'm a bachelor. She even said it herself when I talked to her. She was like, it's like kind of comparing apples to oranges because you can't really compare

the bachelor to the bachelorette. Right. So, I mean, you hear those numbers. Did you expect that? No, absolutely not. I honestly, I think the cards were stacked against me or so I thought. You know, there was a lot of factors into it all, you know, being a person of color, other people wanted somebody else that, you know, nobody really knew a lot about me,

all this stuff. You know, there's a lot of factors there. So I wasn't sure how it was going to do, to be honest. Yeah. Well, someone that's done in the franchise and was never chosen for the lead but went through that process, I remember, we had, there were the season that I came off the Bachelorette, There were four people, four of them, that at least I know of, maybe even more, that all signed the contract to be the next lead, okay?

Everyone, I think, at this point, is aware of what happened on Caller Daddy with some other leads that were considered, and then we heard your response to that, and you made that clear on Alex Cooper's podcast. So I'm wondering, going into this, how did that play into just your overall perspective on things. And are you in a position where you're talking to those other people who might have been saying other things that have truth or don't have truth? Yeah. So in terms of like when I went into filming, you know, it was announced. I didn't have my phone. So when I was filming, I was like in the right mindset. You know, I was in my own mindset. So it was good. It was more so

when I came back when I saw all the narratives being spun around and all that stuff, that was like a bit of a disappointment only because, you know, I had gone through like this really incredible journey for myself and I wanted people to be talking about that and being excited about that and that wasn't the case in the moment. But I think at this point in time, you know, we're all mature. We know what this world is and in this like kind of businessy world. And so yes, I'm very, very friendly with all these ladies, no matter what, you know, we still support each other. Let me ask you this though. So the season's coming up. I don't know if you could share this or not. But are there any appearances from maybe past contestants or other people that are there and excited to share your

journey? Definitely. Definitely. I think if you watch the trailer, there are a few people from previous seasons. I don't know if I can say that, but I don't know. Yeah, I can name it. Yeah. So Trista was on. Amazing. She's the best. Came for a little bit charity came. Awesome. Daisy and Kelsey came. So I was very, very excited to see all four of them. Oh, and and Molly and Jason. Jason. So I live in Seattle when I got off the Bachelorette and Jason's one of the first guys I met. Oh. Awesome guy. Yeah.

I mean, one of the best. One of the best. They were both so amazing. I honestly just kept wanting to talk to them when I, when I had met them. So I was excited about that. Okay. I got another question for you while we're on this topic that can relate to people back home when it comes to like just career navigation and life navigation.

Yeah. Oftentimes people kind of feel like the underdog. They feel like they're not going to get picked. We heard the rumblings. We heard those headlines. You crushed it. and your Premier crushed it. What advice do you have for someone back home that they feel,

maybe it's imposter syndrome or maybe they feel like the cards are stacked against them? What's the perspective from your side to just keep pushing through? What advice would you give them? I would say, honestly, tune out the noise. Like, for me, I am very easy at not giving a shit what anybody else says. And just doing me and doing whatever it takes to get to the place I want to be. And I think that that's why my season is going to be so special to watch is because I never really saw myself in this kind of a light before. And so you kind of see my self-growth journey and kind of growing into my own a little bit more, gaining that confidence and just owning my shit a little bit more.

And I think that a lot of people are going to relate to that because my season breaks the mold in a lot of different ways. And so I would really say to people, tune out the noise and embrace your differences because that's what. makes you unique. That's what is going to set you apart from other people. Those unique factors is what's going to give you success in life. You don't want to be like everybody else. It's so true, right? And I think just like when you talk about the noise, there's always so much more of it and where there's a lot of noise, especially when you go from being a PA student to then just being put on this platform with all these things coming at you. And then all of a sudden, you're on a hot interview with call her daddy. You're on Good Morning of America. You're also on Kelly.

Mark's today's show, right? So we have known as someone who's been in the franchise since 2018, we've known Kelly is not a fan of the show, right? But I'm curious there was clearly some noise in that interview, right? At one token, she's got some type of perspective to the fact there hasn't been massive success from a love perspective. Sure. But at another spot, it's like, it's 2024.

Do you know how people are meeting now? This is my take on it. Someone's coming to your show as a guest and then you're blitzing them for like, why would you do this? Yeah. I think you handled it perfectly, especially from someone that you know has a history of being against the show. Being in that seat, would you have said anything other than what you said, knowing that some of the noise, which you just referred to, has come your way? No, honestly, I will say, Kelly and I, you know, it was all in good fun. Like, we have this, like, sarcastic banter.

Like, I could tell, like, the vibes, you know. And I didn't take anything she said to heart. And so I think it was all really in good fun. And yeah, I mean, listen, in this day and age, like, is Hinge any better? Is all these dating apps? Is Instagram DMing someone any better? You know, so, I mean, I get it. Some people may not really understand this world, but that's okay.

Yeah, I also think, like, in a scenario like that, especially like 20204 where I feel like things are more transparent. isn't the obvious answer like who wouldn't say yes to this like who like what do you mean like no kelly i didn't i wasn't a famous actor meeting someone on a set i was in a student and got the opportunity to like be on this platform to meet other people take a little detour for my career and do it it's like who would say no to that i mean it was definitely a leap of faith yeah yeah so yeah i mean i don't know maybe at one point i almost said no yeah so wait really Yeah. Wait, for what reason, though? Well, I was in school. But you already said yes to The Bachelor.

Yeah, but I promised them I wasn't going to take another break. So I wasn't sure if they were going to allow me to take another break. Because if they had said, if you take another break, we won't accept you back and you have to repeat the whole first year. I honestly don't think I would be here today because PE school is so important to me. And I spent my whole life studying and kind of trying to get into PA school. It's hard to get into PA school. So I think that if they had said no, I wouldn't be here today. And there's just so many other factors that come with accepting a position like this. Like, yes, you're in it because you're hopeful that you're going to find somebody and you're

hopeful for the journey because you know that it can work the first time around, right? But there's also factors of like you're in the limelight. Do you want to deal with racism? Do you want to deal with your whole life being in the public eye for quite some time? So I'm a fairly private person, I like to think. So I wasn't sure. I think it takes really assessing all the different factors. and thinking if you're like the right person for it.

Yeah. So give me, all right, I'm a numbers, guys. It's a numbers podcast. So when they offer you the opportunity, okay? So it's say you're our girl. We're doing it. You're the Bachelorette. Give me instantly, as you think about it, the live odds. What is the percentage? Give me the number of the likelihood you say no. Like was it a 10% chance you say no? Was it 50-50? What was the chances you would have said no to be the Bachelorette? I would say it was like 42%. Wow.

Yeah. It was like a coin flip for you. Absolutely. It wasn't like an instant let's go. No, because it was school. School was such a huge factor in my life. Okay. And that was kind of the leading decision amongst the other factors.

But school, if they had said no, I don't know if I would have flipped the coin. Okay. Interesting. One of the things you said on episode one was my mom gave up medical school to be here when she sacrificed her dream to make. my dream. So I would assume that's something you were thinking about that she gave up medical school. And so as a result of that, you feel like you couldn't too give up medical school or is what you're doing now part of that dream? I could see where you're coming from. And I think probably

from a subconscious level. I probably thought the same thing. But me going to PA school was never really about fulfilling my mom's dream necessarily. So in a way it was, I think it's always for me been about fulfilling my dreams and making the most of any opportunity that I get. So is being here today and being the Bachelorette a part of me fulfilling a dream for my mom and her sacrifices? Not necessarily. Like I wouldn't say that to T, but she did come here so that I could take every opportunity that I can get and do the things that make me happy. So in a way also, yes, it is kind of a part of my mom's sacrifices. I think it's so cool. And by the way, that scene with your mom and your whole family, it's beautiful. Like, it's touching. It's beautiful. It's awesome. I think all

of America wants more of your mom on TV. So we need more of your family. Ryan Reynolds likes my mom. Ryan, did you see that? I mean, I know you saw that. I was freaking out. I saw it. It was incredible. It was crazy. Like, I don't know that the Bachelor franchise has seen a tweet from someone that like that left on the law. That was very, that was a surreal moment for sure. We need to do like a coffee date. Ryan Reynolds and your mom get it on camera. Rob, make it happen. We got to convince him that it's good for the movie. It's got to be good for the movie. It's really good for the movie. One way or another, we can feel like you can make that happen. Okay, so let's go into PA school a little bit. That was a big decision,

right? So you, in September, you start filming for Joey's season, correct? Okay. And at that time, again, I got another Bachelor Data stat in here somewhere. It was around 19,000 followers that you had on TikTok, I believe. This is from Bachelor Data directly. September 16th, 2023, you have 19,372 followers on TikTok when you're announced to be on Joey's season. And it's my understanding that that's how the show found you. Yes, yes, which is very, very crazy. I didn't realize that until I got in The Bachelorette and it was announced in the casting producer that had found me for Joey's season had said, I'm so happy that I saw your PA school

TikToks and that I DM'd you on Instagram because of it. So I had no idea that it was because of my PA school TikToks until recently. But, I mean, kind of crazy. I mean, I just really started the TikTok because I saw a market for it. You know, not a lot of people know what PA students do. I like the creativity of it, being able to, like, create a video and stuff. I like that aspect of it. And honestly, at the time, like, it was a side hustle, too.

Like, I knew you can make money off of TikTok. And I'm a PA student. You're not allowed to work. So I said, okay, I'll work for myself and make TikTok. So you can't say money on this podcast without me jumping on it. Were you monetizing your social media at the $20,000? Not a lot. Not a lot. But I was getting there. I had started getting some traction. And I'm trying to think. I was doing like a couple of deals here and there. Like a couple hundred here.

Yeah. A couple thousand here. So like it helps when you're in school for sure. I think some people back home are listening to this, they might have a couple thousand. They might have 10,000. They might have 20,000. Yeah. But then for them to get a DM from ABC's the Bachelorette to say, hey, or the bachelor, we want you on the show. It's like, there's no way. Did you at any point? And I connect this to when. Joey called me. He's like, I'm pretty sure this is fake, but The Bachelor DME, did you think it was fake? Did you have a moment like that? Absolutely. It was like, because it wasn't like from the official Bachelor account. It was some casting producer. And it's not every day that that happened. So I was kind of like, I mean, I don't know. I really, I just took the interview. I did it, whatever.

And then the interview made it official. I was like, okay, this is like legit. But when I was like offered to sign a contract to go on to Joey's season and I told my mom and my brother, like, they thought I was getting human traffic. So they didn't think it was real. Wait, no way. Like, actually? Yeah, like, I was on the plane flying till A and my mom and brother were like, do you want to survive you a return flight?

Like, are you sure you're not getting human traffic? Oh, my God. Or did you, like, research this company properly? Like, the last thing, like, we could imagine for you was going on reality TV. Like, no way. Unbelievable. Well, did you get to answer them? Because they take your phone.

Everyone knows that. I was on the flight. So you got to tell them you're good. Yes. I was on the flight. And then I called them afterwards, too. And they were good. Okay.

So I had, there's like a clinical advisor who oversees the clinical year. Okay. Because there's two separate years in P.A. school. What year are you on year two? I'm in my second year. And it's a, it's a three year program. Two and a half for my program. Summer two, some are three months, two and a half.

And so I kind of asked the clinical advisor if this would be appropriate. Like if there's any way to work around it, if I could take a break and then come back. And because there's, there's a lot of credentialing to be done when you're doing clinicals and in different hospitals and stuff. So there's a lot of moving parts. which is why I thought this is completely impossible. For sure. And she was so sweet, willing to work with me.

And then I also had to go to the head of the program as well and kind of ask permission from her and tell her that, you know, we kind of have this plan and it's going to work and we're going to graduate at this date and all this stuff. So I just kind of had to be practical about it and kind of give her some dates and reassure her that I was going to go back and that I was serious about it, you know. Okay. So you finished filming in November. Yeah. When does the next, like from my days in college, the next semester starts in January? Is it the same thing? So in P.E. School in clinical year, every six weeks, you're at a different clinical site.

You're in a hospital or you're in a doctor's office. Okay. And you're basically working alongside the physician or the PA and kind of learning from them for six weeks. Okay. So when I had come back, I was kind of in the middle of like the third rotation or something. So I'd skipped out on that and then restarted in December when the next rotation came around. So you start in December. Yes.

But then when did you start filming this season of the back? That's right. Yeah. So I started in December. I did a psych rotation. Then I did another general surgery rotation for six weeks. And then... You're doing this. Not to interrupt, but you're doing this while the show's like air. Well, the show's Eric. Yeah. How crazy was that? Very crazy. But I, I wasn't like getting recognized at work or anything, which I appreciated. I think that that was good. Or at least if people did, they were like low key about it and didn't make a big deal about it, which was nice. But it was definitely very weird because my life's on TV. People are learning about my, like my family life. and then I'm also like studying and taking exams and all this stuff. So it was, it was different. It's not normal. It's crazy.

Okay. And then at what point? So, you know, we're in July now, the first season or the first episode of your season has aired. At what point did you start filming? So it was right around the announcement, right? Back in March. So I was in the middle of another rotation, which was my ER rotation. Like really in the middle of it. And when I got the phone call, it was kind of like, we need you here now. Let's let's get. stuff rolling. But I was like, I literally have an ER shift tomorrow morning. Like, I can't do this. So before you were supposed to go leave for the Bachelorette, you literally had to be in the ER that day? Yes. Yes. I felt, I was so disappointed in myself because I hate, like, I hate having something planned and then having to like go back on my word for it. Yeah. So I kind of had to text the hospital. I was like, hey, listen, and this opportunity is here, like, are you okay with it? Are you going to hate me, are you going to disown me as a student? Like, just tell me straight up if you,

if you will, like, I won't do it. So it was a hard conversation. But everyone has been so supportive. So to my surprise. I have a buddy who is a ER doctor, Steve Verdeenie shout out. And I know that in that line of work, they pretty much see literally everything. They're supposed to be prepared to expect the unexpected and see everything. I have to imagine, whatever doctor or nurse was on shift that day. They've never received a text from a student saying, I can't show up. I'm going to be the Bachelorette. Definitely not. Okay. So that's the first. And any ER in the entire planet, when you did that, though, was there any risk? I mean, I dealt with it. Like my job pretty much said, hey, you've worked here for 10 years. You're doing great. You got six weeks of PTO,

burn it off, leave of absence after that. You're not paid. You come back. You got a job. Essentially, you fuck up. You're fired. Did they give you any ultimatums? When, you want to be the bachelor's? Not really, but I think in terms of my school, I think they wanted to know that I was serious and then I wasn't just going to blow them off. And I still had to get my credentialing done on time because there's a lot that goes into that. And I had to be really communicative with them and let them know exactly what day I was coming back in and kind of like hold my ground on those kinds of things and just let them in on the process rather than ghosting them and then not telling them when I'm coming back. You know, I just had to be professional about it.

For sure. Yeah. All right. Well, you'll listen, you're making history in the Bachelor franchise. You're making history with your premier ratings. And life is moving in one direction for you right now. And it is an upward trajectory. You got to rock it on your back. So I looked into this. According to the American Academy of Physician Assistance,

the median compensation is up 5.8%. In 2023, PA median compensation increased to $127,000, up for $120,000 in 2022. So those are big numbers. $127,000 is a great living. I will tell you from this podcast, though, there aren't many people that have come from the Bachelor franchise that are making less than that, that have been on this show.

And they're not working full time in a job like this. I know you've been on other podcasts and Bachelor Nation with leading hosts. And you said you're going right back in the summer. There's got to be. Come on. There's got to be some part of you that's like, I can monetize at a much greater level than going back to P.A. school. What do you think in there? Obviously, yes. It would be, it would be silly of me to not think of that.

Like, I understand all the opportunities that can come out of this and things that I'm going to be open to, right? But at the same time, I have to stay true to myself and think about what's going to make me fulfilled in life. And so far, for the past 26 years, it's been helping people and being in medicine. So that's not something I'm really willing to give up. I don't think you can put a number to what fulfills you and your purpose. So for me, I probably won't work full-time as a PA. And I don't really foresee that happening. I'll probably work part-time as a PA. Maybe in the beginning of my career so that I can kind of get my footing in, perhaps. But I'm always going to do both. Like I could see the doors that could be opened here. And yeah, I'm going to chase every

opportunity that I can get because it would be silly not to. It would be completely silly. I would be an idiot, right? So I'm going to do both. And I'm going to try to balance as much as I can. But at the end of the day, I think if I fully dropped PA off and didn't do it, I would be extremely unhappy with myself. Yeah. Yeah. I think, I mean, there's so many ways to maneuver both of them. And there's so many ways to make impact in medicine by also using the platform they have. Absolutely.

I think just yesterday, I saw a gentleman by the name of Dr. Shaw. He's number, I think, two or three skincare influencer in the world. He's a certified board dermatologist. He has places in New York and. in Miami. And he can do both. He's an acting doctor while also using his social media presence to create a platform. And I think that exists. One thing you had said is like your passion and the medicine and everything like that. A lot of people that have come off this show have had all different career paths. We have pilots. We have all different type of career paths, right? And as a

result of that, they come into a seat like this. And some of them straight up say and some of them don't say, they enjoy it. They're like, I enjoy this entertainment piece. I enjoy. There's cameras there and I get to talk in a way that I never got to talk and make an impact. Does this side of the business, like does the entertainment, does the media, when you look at the trajectory, whatever direction it could be, there's a million different directions. Do you enjoy this? Like, is it fun for you? I would say yes and no, some parts of it for sure. I think knowing that I am changing people's lives in a different way than medicine is definitely helpful. Yeah.

But I've never really saw myself as someone who is going to be inspirational. You know, I always felt like I had role models. I never thought that I would be a real model myself. So to be kind of sitting here today and being able to be the first Asian American bachelor, talk about that kind of stuff and all this stuff and breaking the mold and doing something different than the norm. Like, I'm excited about that. And that makes me excited to talk about. and it makes me happy to be able to meet new people and to kind of experience a different world than medicine

because medicine is a very, it's, I'm interested in it. It's my passion, but it's also a very concentrated world in which you're not exposed to a lot of creativity and all this other stuff. And I'm someone who has a lot of different passions. So I enjoy being able to kind of like tickle this side of my brain too, you know. Okay. I love it. Yeah. Three years from now. Yeah. Is Jenna P.A.? Yes, Jen is a PA. Really? She's working part-time. Okay, part-time PA.

Part-time PA. Maybe she has a medical spa. Maybe she's working in the E.E.R. Maybe she's, I don't know, doing concierge medicine. Okay, the idea of healthcare for that career track will always be connected to you. Always, absolutely. Okay. That's going to transition me into this season, right?

So we saw there's a lot of different career tracks here. So I got all the LinkedIn's pulled up. Oh. Aaron, aerospace engineer, Austin sales executive, Brandon, real estate broker, Brett. Poor Brett. All right, Pete Brett. Your dad, she takes a sip of tequila. He was very, very sweet.

Brett for paradise, eh? Sweet point. Are you endorsed that? I'm for paradise. You'll endorse that. We know paradise is coming out 2025. Next year. Get fucking Brett Harris on that beach.

All right. I'm awful. I went through every single one of these 25 people's LinkedIn profiles. Okay. Here's the crazy thing. Tell me. I got fucked. On my season, we had three NBA players.

We had four NFL players. We had the founder of Venmo. We had two models. Harlem Globe Trouter, all that. These are very relatable individuals and professions. When you were talking to each of them, how much, like, in their first, because obviously we know they edit a lot out. But are you talking a lot about their careers?

Does that have an impact? Like when you consider the dating hierarchy, if someone is a right fit for you. Talk to me about your perspective on an individual's profession, especially when you're meeting them in these circumstances. Yeah. So I think that when it comes to dating and profession, so on the show, it didn't immediately come up

or if it was somebody in medicine, obviously that would immediately come up because that's a common ground that you could connect on. And that was great. I love that. But it's not like a requirement for me to date somebody in medicine. Yeah. I think as connection,

got stronger and feelings got stronger. Yeah, of course, I was talking about financials and how much time is your job, like how much time commitment is your job and how much, not necessarily exactly how much money you make, but you can kind of gauge somebody's success and happiness in their profession, right? And I think that's kind of what matters the most. But then I will be honest and say that there were some people who were like, you know, I'm kind of in between right now. I don't really know what I'm doing right now. And that is a bit of a beige flag for me. That definitely rings something where I'm like, okay, why are you really here?

Totally. And do you have something set up? Like, are you working towards something? Or are you kind of just floating around? And for me, knowing exactly what I want to do and having a path that is so set in stone for me. And I don't know if I could really connect with somebody that isn't and it's kind of free-floating. So in terms of professions and career-wise, like,

That was kind of a factor for me. Are you passionate about something? Are you dedicated to it? Or are you kind of just waiting around for something to happen? Give me an example. I think that's, first of all, perfectly said. And I also actually want to make this comment. Are you here for the right reasons has been a thing for 20 some years, right? Or however long the show has been around. The difference is in 2024 is that there's so much more transparency behind the monetization and what people can do with it and stuff. And so that, I assume, is the lead. has to change your opinion of like what because now you don't have to like I mean of course you have to dissect if someone's there for the right reasons but you could start to raise a beige flag on the first night which most people can't just based on the way they describe what their job is without like I guess I don't know spoiling anything either uncut or what we'll see give me an example of like someone that was saying or maybe someone that got let go night one that gave you a beige example. Because I don't understand exactly what it means when you say floating. Are they saying

they're in between jobs? Like, tell me what that look like. When I say floating, it's like, I'm in between jobs. I just got fired and I'm still figuring stuff out. Or I quit this job and now I'm posting things on Instagram. You know, that kind of stuff. Were there those people? I haven't, I looked at their LinkedIn profiles. I didn't look at their Instagram following. Here and there. Okay. So there are some social media endeavor. on this one. A couple of that I flagged for sure. Are there any social media endeavor individuals you flag later in the show? Yeah. There are. That's a good tease right there. Okay. All right. I don't want to get you in trouble or certainly me at this point. So I'm going to let it go at that. But what's

interesting is, yeah, I'm looking again, medical student, creative director, financial analyst, Army Ranger, you know who that is, event planner. So there's a lot of like what I would call. I learned the word normie lately people of normie there's a lot of normal jobs here happening just good okay all right yeah i'll let that go there i'll dive into that in just a second what is your job description my job description was actually funny story it was i was i was a bank i was boring as shit i didn't have a cool job i was a banker so it's either said banker or senior banker okay and then what did you go with is i i put my title was senior senior banker vice president i think they just put senior banker. And then I realized, like, wow, this is not good. Like, because I have

a lot of hair gel super grease. Like, I'm going to, I got to like loose. Something's got to happen. Yeah. But then they, what was nice is they changed from Seattle, Washington, which is where I live to Buffalo, New York, which is where I'm from. Okay. Yeah. Got out to Bennett. Thank you, Ben, for doing that. Very greatly appreciated. Okay. Your question totally detoured me into this next thought, which has nothing to do with what I was thinking. But, you know, when I came out of that limbo, I was, I remember, at least on my back, I was sweating bullets. It was like a blackout moment. I don't remember much just because the adrenaline is so hot. So much. Another statistic. Can I ask you that? What was your entrance? My entrance? Okay. No, no, no. This is good. So here,

I'm going to get business podcast. I'm going to give you a business staff. Please. They say that if you screw up a first impression, it takes 17 acts of remedy to make up for a bad first impression. Really? 17 in the business world. But I think that goes for, dating to some extent. Okay. Right? Okay. Right now, think about, okay, think about your final four.

Yeah. Don't say them. I don't want trouble. Are you just going to read my brain? Say your final four, okay? All four of them, did they make a good first impression yes or no? No. No way.

Well, not, I'm not saying all four of them made a bad one, but they're... How many of the four made a bad first impression? But no names. Just numbers wise. Yeah. Okay. Of the final four, how many made a bad impression? first impression?

Three out of four. No way. Yes. So you're not a big first impression person? I think it's so different when you're coming out of a limo and you either have a gimmick or you're either trying to stand out or something. Maybe it's something out of your comfort zone. So, yeah, I don't know.

I think usually I think I can peg somebody for who they are at a first impression. But I will say throughout the journey, I was very surprised. Okay. Yeah. One comment I have, which is not connected to business, but I did not like the guy who said you should have your nails done. You don't have to respond. I don't like that. I don't know how far he went or what his story is, but you wear your nails on where the fuck you want to work.

Okay. On that note, another set I have from Bachelor Data. If you guys don't follow Bachelor Data, go give her a follow, is that of all your entrances, over 80% of them were gimmicks. I think the number was 84% of all your entrances were gimmicks, which is extremely high when compared. to previous seasons. So a question I have for you is, what are your thought on these outlandish gimmicks? It's funny because I remember thinking during the night

that there weren't enough gimmicks. You wanted more? I wanted more. I love the gimmicks. Like, what more did you want? I don't know. Paint the picture of the perfect gimmick. I mean, I think all the gimmicks were great, but like, I don't know.

Give me something. Something big, like show up on a basketball court. or something. You wanted, like, you wanted to be front row at, like, I don't know, a big game or something. Or come in skydiving. Skydite, wow. You got a big ex-bay. You want the extra extra.

I want the bigger, the better. Yeah. Yeah. But I loved all the gimmings, but I was like, there could be more. We could get more creative. What did you think of the sports car thing? It was very interesting. What defined interesting to you?

Because we all have different definitions of interesting. I liked the car. Listen, I love, I love a nice looking car. but when he said penis, I was like, I don't know. That was a little interesting, yeah. Yeah. You said the P word yourself. I did.

I mean, you said that he used the P. He said, yes, I decided that on this podcast, I can say penis. Yes, you can say that on this podcast. You're welcome to say it. I just wanted to make sure ABC TV permitted that. But you did have someone come in balloons. You had someone come in with, I mean, puppies. Yeah, puppies were great.

But you wanted more. I would have loved 100 puppies instead of two. I don't know. Interesting. All right. We have a bachelette here with how. expectations. I love it. I love the honesty. You also, if you took a look at the numbers, you had 25 people that started, I believe. You went down to 18. So you lost about 30% of people

pretty quickly. 18 people left. I think when I was on the show, there was about 23 people left. Was there anything specific that led to seven people going that early or 30% of the cast? Or was it just gut instinct? Got instinct every time. I think it was really like, I definitely don't see a future here. There's nothing nothing here. And okay, potential to grow. Okay. Okay. All right. Go with your gut. You're killing it. I absolutely love to see it. I actually have a question that's behind the scenes that not many people can ask answer this one. I remember standing on those freaking risers. Oh my God for so long. It was a form of torture. Okay. It is. But you're not wearing heels. Well, I actually was. I was wearing like boots with heels. Kind of like I'm wearing

You know, I got an inch right there. Okay. That's a good inch and a half. You're not wearing a four inch slown. I was the shortest guy on the entire mansion, so I had some heel on. Okay, okay. And, well, I was on the front row, so I didn't even complain about it now. I was on the second row, actually.

But I do remember staying there for an exorbitant period of time. And our bachelor at the time was Becca, and she came in and out. Becca, you're an amazing person, but it had to be 20 times with the names. How did you do overall with the names? Like did you do like two, three, four times, one, two times, like just your overall take with the names. So you do a pretty good job? I think I did a pretty good job.

Okay. Three, four times. So when you, like, would you do three names at a time? Three, four, sometimes five. I was really good with the name. That's pretty good. Five names at a time is impressive. Yeah.

That's beyond impressive. Yeah. Because a lot of people are always curious. Like, are the names on the roses? No. No. It's just different takes. It's called TV.

Here we go. All right. So we know that Daisy. We know that Kelsey. We know that Trista. of the season. I saw an interview that you said you had reached out to Michelle Young prior to the season. What type of advice did Michelle give you going into this season? So I called her for a number of reasons. I actually watched her season because I had watched Matt Janes, so I followed and watched

hers. And I just felt like I could relate to her. And then she's also a person of color. So I wanted a person of colors perspective on what it means to be in the limelight and kind of withstand all the racism. Did she think it was worth it? Did she think that she actually made a change? Did she feel like, even though it didn't end up working out for her, did she still feel like the journey worked out for her, you know? So those are the questions that I had to ask. I had to ask if she thought the feelings are real, if she thought that she could find somebody. And she gave me some really good advice. And ultimately, she didn't like push me to do it, but based on what everything that she said, I was leaning towards yes. Okay.

So she's like, you can make an impact. Yes. She basically told me, you're definitely going to make an impact. You're going to have to bear a lot of weight in terms of racism. But at the end of the day, you're making a change and you're working towards something. And as long as you are confident in who you are and that you're willing to stand up for certain things and yourself, then you're going to make it far and it's going to be great. And, yeah.

Have you felt that weight? Have I felt the weight of it all? She had known that she had referred to that. Like she said, you're going to feel the weight of the racism. Have you felt that right? You're two days after the premiere. Like, is that weight been heavy on you? Or what's your overall sentiment?

I think since the premiere, things have been really, really positive so far. Before the premiere, I got a lot more racism than I've ever experienced in my entire life. Because when you're on social media, you're exposing yourself to millions of people that you don't talk to every day in your life. People from different parts of the country that aren't as diverse and all. that stuff, you know, people who are a bit more small-minded. Does it necessarily affect me on my everyday life? No, because I tune out. I tune out the social media. I put my phone down. I don't read all the comments. But yes, I do get those comments. And I think that in a way, it kind of validates why I'm doing this is because racism does still exist. And for me, so many, I've gotten a

few people being like, racism doesn't exist anymore. It's just a ridiculous comment. And to be able to kind of say, like, no, like, I do. at these comments and here's the proof. And this is why we need change. It's validating in a way. Good for you. And that alludes to your overall just thought of differentiating. Like, I can do something different. I am different. I'm going to make an impact along the way. With Michelle, another commonality is so she was a teacher and then she left the whole teaching profession. Being someone that's in school, did you talk to her about that at all? Funny enough, I didn't. I didn't. Because I think I didn't need somebody else's perspective

on career-wise because I already knew what I was going to do with that. Okay. Yeah. Okay, got it. Yeah. Now, from, so you watched Matt James season. Have you seen any other seasons before? Matt James' was the first season.

I watched fully through. Okay. I watched parts of Michelle's. I watched parts of Katie's. Okay. I watched parts of charities. Okay. And I think that was it.

Before going on the Bachelorette as the Bachelorette. Yes. Did you connect with anybody else from the franchise? Not before going on The Bachelorette. Really? Yeah. Did anybody from the franchise try to connect with you? No, because I think when I was announced, I didn't have my phone.

Okay. So when it was announced, you know, people started reaching out. Like, I came back to a lot of DMs. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. From people in the Batch franchise? Rachel Rekia reached out. Awesome. Charity reached out.

A few others, too, that I'm forgetting to mention. Great. Yeah, a lot. It's been really, really positive. I love it. That is a beautiful, beautiful thing. Okay, so anybody I've had from the franchise that has gone to the fantasy suite level, I've asked them this question.

It's not where you think I'm going. It's business-wise. When you're in the fantasy suites, you're about to get engaged. You've got three people at this point. And, well, I'm assuming three people. I got canned right before the fantasy suite, so I went, no. But right at dinner, brutal, right? That's tough.

Three and a half months. Well, I mean, like, anyway. That's a topic for another combo. All right. So, Fantasy Suite, it's one of the first times that you're with someone you're considering getting engaged to. If you bring them to that point, you get past the dinner, you're definitely considering it. Where they are in the higher ranking, that's up to you.

No cameras. It's one of the only times. Do you talk money? Do you talk careers? Yes, yes. But you say yes. I've interviewed all past Bachelor leads and Bachelorette leads, and almost none of them said that they do.

So what did in the fantasy suites, we're not going to talk about how many, when I can do anything like that, what are conversations you would try to have and what did those questions look like when it comes to those topics? Yeah, I mean, how much school debt are you in? Like, I'm in school debt. Are you okay with that? Did you ask him that? Yeah, absolutely.

Because I want to be transparent about me too. I've been in school. Grad school isn't easy. I'm in debt too. And I would never want to end up with somebody who's suddenly like, oh, I can't handle that. Just shocked by it. Good for you. know, I never want to lie to anybody.

By the way, if someone is, like, running away from your school debt, you should run away from that. That's also a different, yeah, that's a different problem. You should run away from them. Exactly. Can you share on Trading Secrets where we share dollars amount of how much school debt you've taken out? That is for me and my bank.

Okay. Got at least to ask, though. No, I appreciate it. There's a whole lot of student debt in the United States. It's a huge issue. It's a huge huge issue. It's price inelastic. It's one of the only products out there where the price of something you keep going up, but the demand keeps going up.

So it's something we really, really have to figure out. So you talked about student debt. Student debt. Can I ask you this? And you can decline this. But was anybody adverse to your student debt? No. No.

Nobody said anything outright, but who knows in the back of their head? I don't know. But no, nobody was adverse to it, which is nice. What are some other topics when it comes to career? let's see just like where they're headed are they can do they want to continue their career or do they candidly want to be an influencer like want to take opportunities um that this world offers like that's obviously something that I wanted to know I wanted to know the true intentions and that kind of stuff if someone told you they were here to ride the wave and see what happens what's your take like where

was your perspective on that I think it would definitely raise a concern for me in terms of I'm just here to like figure out if I can do Instagram like that would be a concern for me yeah but do I also believe in some people just taking a chance and and it ending up well for them and and being like the path that they needed to take like sure so it was just something that you keep in the back of your head and then if other flags raise then you kind of piece together the puzzle you know I want you to go back to before you signed up to be the bachelorette like the day before eliminate everything you know now okay so don't think about your fiancee She didn't react. I love it. Okay. Just think about before the show. In a perfect world, the way you like dreamed, what did your significant other do for work?

Somebody that doesn't work in medicine. I didn't want somebody that worked in medicine. I just think it's too much. It's too much medicine and one household. It can be a nice common ground. But somebody who was maybe in like the business financing world or, yeah, like corporate. something where listen I want someone to be able to have like the same income as me or higher because I respect the honesty. I love that. Yeah. And I think because for me it's like if I'm achieving a certain level of income and a certain level of passion in my life, I think I want my partner to be able to match that kind of passion too. Yeah. And that's just that's just me. Relationships I think in 24 are a tricky thing, especially as it relates to this. When we had, I had that, you know, the song, I'm looking for a guy in finance.

Yeah. So I had her on. We talked about it. And it was actually satire on the fact. She's like, I'm in New York City and everyone wants a perfect thing that doesn't exist. That's why I wrote the song. That's why I popped off. So I'm interested, like, when you think about, like, the person that you want to be with

or just like for anyone out there that is single. Like, when you say, like, the business perspective or whatever, like, what is it that a single person, like your age, when it comes to career, are you looking at as if stability that you're attracted to? Is it passion? Is it impact? Like, what are some of those things? Because I think that will help a lot of people that are single listening to this. Stability, first and foremost. I've never really had that in my life growing up or dating. So stability 100% and also the dedication to something. Interesting. I think, I don't know. I think when you're kind of. of when you don't put in hard work and you're not motivated, that's so unattractive to me because I'm so hardworking and motivated that I just wouldn't understand it. And so, yeah, I mean, I would say just look for stability, whatever that means to you.

I love it. Okay, this is a tough question. Okay. I'm preparing you. It's a little bit of a tough one. Haven't they all been tough? You can, I mean, you're just a star. You're the easiest person I've interviewed.

I've had literally 15 interviews in the last 36 hours. You're the easiest person I've interviewed because you're just good at. what you do. Oh, that's not. Okay. The franchise. There's a lot of love and there's some breakup. And there's a lot of success that comes with it.

And we've all seen it. And there's been a lot of headlines recently in a lot of different directions. Something that connects to this podcast, business and thinking through finances is the overall theme of prenupt. Okay. As someone who's just finishing their journey. Yeah. We don't know what happened.

but we know there's a couple of curveballs at the end. Yeah. But there are majority of the couples end up engaged. The theme of preempts, where do you stand with a preem? Yeah. With preempts, like I've always thought about this. And if I were to ever get to that point in my life, it's funny because in previous relationships, I was so offended by them.

Yeah. I was like, what do you mean? Like, you think we're going to break up? And that's kind of how I viewed it. And it wasn't until somebody kind of opened my eyes to it. And it's like, it's not just about the financial standpoint if you break up. It's also a lot of other things, too. I believe, right?

I'm still kind of like, I don't know too much about it. But it's like, if you die, like what's going to happen to your money and all this stuff too, right? Sure. Yeah. So there's a lot more to pre-up than just we're going to split this money when we get divorced or whatever. And also in this day and age, just being a woman and being motivated and dedicated and having kind of my own, my own lifestyle and stability. Like, I want to be able to secure that and not have any factors to that. So I think prenups are good.

And I'm all for it. I think it's a smart decision. And I don't think that it necessarily just means you're preparing for divorce. I think you're making – it's also like the discussions that you're having during a prenu is like if you're on the same page about it, I think that it's even better for a partnership is if you talk about those things in it if you're on the same page. because otherwise you might not have some of those conversations and then kind of down the line, you're not on the same page. And that's, that can be tough. You nailed that. It's like, at least in my opinion. But like I think with finances, with it, loving money is a thing, right? Yeah. Sure. If you don't talk about it creates gray area. And all the statistics point to that gray area creates confusion, confusion equals resentment and then leads to a breakup. So, and my personal thing of preempts are like, every state has them. So they have their own love.

So why not talk about it? It forces you kind of have that conversation. Yes. So it's the conversation part of it. I think that matters the most. Yeah. You just want to be on the same page. And you have, like, in general, you want to protect your partner and you want to

protect yourself. Absolutely. And like, you have a lot to protect. So go pre-nub. Yeah. Should things work out with whoever you may or may not end up with? All right. Let's play a little game.

You said beige flag. I'm going to say red flag. Green flag. You could say beige flag. They all love these games. Okay. These are all, these are the problems. a little different than the other game. Okay. Okay. So we'll talk about this. You sit down,

someone's in your fantasy suite, or you're getting serious with them. They tell you they have massive student debt. Okay. They have student debt. You have student debt. Stuff. Okay. Yeah. Red flag. Sure. Bage flag. Green flag. What's it look like? I'm going to follow you up with this. What is their occupation? Do they have an occupation? Are they working towards something? Okay. So your perspective, I think this is going to lead to the answer, is, if the debt is aligned with a profession that has historical income earnings, it would be a good thing. Yes. Okay.

If you have massive historical student debt but you're not doing anything correlated to that, red flag. Okay. So you want to know the major. You're a major person. Absolutely. Give me the major. What are you pursuing? I like that.

Absolutely. Okay. Red flag, green flag, beige flag. You go on your first date. He asked to split the check. Red flag. you got to go. I'm a traditional woman.

Okay, I love it. What are you trying to say? You're not going to pay for my five-cent meal? I like it. We had Serena Carrigan on the podcast. She said, first three meals, if you don't pay for me, we got an issue. What do you think about that? That's what she said.

First meal, you're not paying for me. I'm not having a second date with you. I like it. But do you have an expectation for the first three or just like, let's get the first one through? I would say until you're officially seriously dating. Okay. Yeah. I like it.

Then we can split the bill. I like where you're at. So, green flag, red flag, beige flag. You're in the fantasy suite. He tells you he works in finance. Green flag, sure. Real estate. Green flag.

Okay. These are great professions. I'm going to keep going. Oh, God. Aerospace engineering. Green flag. He's a sales executive. Green flag.

I don't know. He's a Somalia. We already know Red Flag. He's gone. All the Somali, Unreal guy, call me. What's his name? Okay, Dakota. Oh, my God.

I want to learn more. Okay. red flag green flag blage flag startup founder green flag medical student green flag army ranger veteran green flag wow algebra teacher great beige flag oh my god the teachers like comfort that might be him and not the actual all right let me ask you this one ta Thomas A Mr. Toronto here physiotherapist I'm not asking about Thomas A a physiotherapist I'm not asking about Thomas A a physiotherapist you hear that green flag green flag what else can we land with these professions could be could have some really nice like earnings to them i think okay honestly jen i think we did it all here yeah how you feel

going into the rest of the season i feel good you should feel good i think you're a star i think you're going to crush everything you do thank you numbers show it it's going to continue to show it you got you got to leave us with a trading secret what is that so a trading secrets of the podcast is called Trading Secrets. So you can't learn it from a TikTok tutorial. You can't learn it from a YouTube or professor in college. You can only learn it from Jen given you've had a wild track, like where you've come from and where you are today. And it's like one lesson you've learned along the way that could only come from your experience. So it's one trading secret. You can leave us with... I think I would say not to do anything that isn't authentic to you. Because if you start

down a road just because the money is attractive or because the fame is attractive, you can or because something else is attractive if not because you're passionate about it, then you'll end up in a place where you don't recognize yourself or you're unhappy. So I would say follow things that fulfill you and that you think are going to be

that are authentic to you, but don't do things for other people. I love that. And I think it's someone who owns a talent agency. I've seen every single show in the last five years and every single star come off the show. And I'm saying this and I'm not saying because you're in front of me.

I, I, I, I, you have so much authenticity in just your natural confidence. And so many people come off these shows and it's like, you feel like you're talking to me. You want to shake them. Be like, come on. Like, just talk to me. Like, be a real person. You so naturally have that. Thank you. Don't like ever lose that. And the only thing I'll add, I'll follow up with for someone back at home that they really struggle to like find their authentic self. Right. What advice would you give them before we wrap? I would say to try anything and everything then. At that point, I would say if something, well, I guess I'm kind of contradicting myself. I don't know.

But I would say to be open to things and to do and to jump at any opportunity. I like it. Yeah. Barbara Corcoran, she had 22 jobs by 23, got fired by 22 of them. On the 23rd, it was real estate. So it's like you try something. That's how you can find your best self. But Jen, you've been a trooper.

You have been unbelievable. We're excited to watch the rest of your season. And thank you so much for being on Trading Secret. Thanks for having me. This was great. This is easy. Ding, ding, ding. We are closing in the bell to the Gentran episode.

ABC's The Bachelorette. Week two, it is out today. A lot of action with this episode. It's like the definition of love, money, and careers. We're trying to take a little bit of a different angle from her premiere run and press run. But we got the curious Canadian here to recap everything you heard, ask all the questions, and give us his take. David Arden, welcome to the recap.

How are we feeling? What are we thinking? Feeling great. We're feeling great. Great to have the Bachelorette after night one, uh, episode two, premiering tonight. So excited to see how the season plays out. Jay told you that we were going to lock into this and we are locked.

And my, my first question that I have for you is in this podcast that you had, um, someone who's clearly on a press tour. I don't even want to know how many podcasts that she's had to do or sit through, um, in this time. I'm just curious, when you get someone like that in those situations, do you find it hard sometimes to get genuine or creative answers from them?

Or are you feeling a little bit of a rinse and repeat? She is very well media trained. She had some great answers to a lot of questions. So I'm just curious when you're sitting there in the room, what's that balance like trying to pull some questions and answers out of her? Yeah, when you get an opportunity like this where the ABC is like they're giving you an opportunity to promote the show and have access to someone who's on the show as it is, you take it, you run. and you make the best with it and you're beyond grateful for it. That being said to your point, which is an unbelievable point when you talk about the business side of it, the best time, the absolute best time to get someone from the Bachelor franchise

on a podcast is the day after the finale because all of the pressure and worry about potentially saying the wrong thing or spoiling what has been, you know, so much work and effort is so high So I think that's one of the risks in getting someone early is that they have so much pressure to say the right thing and also stay within the boundary of which they can. And I thought that's so interesting. You said that because she did get a little frisky there with some teasers a little bit.

I thought the first impression stat and really like polar opposites between you and her was so interesting that three of her four finals didn't have a great first impression. and that gets my brain ticking right away as I think back to the first episode and who maybe you've had a bad impression. You gave a little bit of insights too into night one.

You talked a lot about her approach to conversations, whether she was going to talk about careers, but she was going to talk about finances and when she was going to in the season. It made me think, Jay, you guys talked a lot about that rose ceremony and I have to ask my buddy here, do you remember the rose ceremony

like it's the back of your hand night one or were you in like full blackout point? when did your name get called and what was the heartbeat per minutes like as the name started getting called out? Oh, I'll tell you what. It was, I remember every single moment because it was so stimulating and so different. I could literally tell you everything from what I drink to what I ate that night. But I do remember I was called probably in the top 33%. When I say that, like in the first round of the top third, I would say I was called. So like, thank God, because if I was waiting to the end, I would literally feel like I'm going to pass out. Because the only thing

you're saying night one is please for the love of god don't allow me to go home night one like my friends my family my work they all know i'm filming this show i can't show up 24 hours later and be home no you couldn't it was a very nerve-wracking time for all of us hoping that our phones didn't ring five days after you left saying ah that was a good run i got kicked off night one uh nice little nugget there you were wearing some heels that you talked about some height differences that you may have had there so uh some nice little behind the scenes there now she almost didn't get tonight one, because she's very open. One thing I loved about this interview is how transparent

she was and really like bluntness about some things that maybe, you know, people in this position aren't so blunt about. 42% chance she said that she wasn't going to go on the show. PA school, obviously very important to her. Are you buying it? Are you feeling it? Do you think it was that close? Did you get a vibe that it was

that close? What's your take? It was instant. It was pure. It was real. I was surprised by it, but I am buying it. I do think that's what the reality was. I also want to go back to your point, David, what you said about this interview. My entire goal going to this interview was like, listen, I know I have constriction as to what I can and can't discuss, right? I know certain money topics are not going to come up here and down the road they will with her.

I was told about that, but I was like, we're still going to make this different, right? This isn't going to be like your standard pop culture interview. Let's get into all different gears. Let's talk about the likelihood of you actually taking the show. Let's talk about what you're going to go to from your job after this. show. Let's talk about the money you could make in that career. Let's talk about the value you put on the careers these people had. So that was part of the thought process. 42%, David, it surprised me, but I thought it was real. Okay, here's a question, a money question I got. Based on some things

that you said you couldn't really dive into, but it's my job to ask you your opinion on it, I'm going to give you three money statistics. You got to rank them, okay? Number one, in terms of value, more or less. Number one, she said a PA in her field after PA school. will get paid $125,000. So that's kind of your base number I want you to work with. I want you to rank $125,000. I want you to rank what she's getting paid, what you think she's getting paid to be the lead.

And then I want you to rank her student debt, which is the greatest value of the three. Her PA salary, the debt that she's going to have for PA or what she's getting paid to be the lead on the show. That was a great question. That was a great question. I'm going to say PA debt's probably right around 90 to 95,000. is my guess. That's a guess, maybe 100,000. I'm going to say that we know the salary. And I think

she's making more off the batheret than she is for what she's in debt for PA school. It's my guess. For anyone out there, I have no idea. I have not talked to her about this. That's strictly speculation based on, you know, what you see out there from other leads, et cetera. But I don't know. Okay. So you're jamming that number rain between the two. I like it. I like it. Now, one things that she was so open about too in this whole field that we talk salaries and careers was the bluntness of what she's looking for out of her partner um you know we you said it all the time uh here for the right reasons for her that's love but it's also career and she's really tying the two together um were you taken a back by all or shocked or surprised like she's very

open about i want my partner to make the same or more than me i want him to be in a corporate type of like really structured type of work environment um i personally Personally, me, like, I loved it. I'm really curious on your take on that. I think the show, especially the Bachelor, bring trading secrets out and producers, they need more of these conversations. They need to talk about, like, what do you think of it? Did you ask him what he makes?

You ask him, did you tell him what type of debt you're in? Like, that's often why our episodes with Bachelor guests pop off because it's stuff no one's talking about. And so what I loved is that she stepped right into that. So, well, you know, David, when you had said, like, people that go off the show right away, they got to go on this press tour, it's just copy, repeat, copy, repeat. What I thought was cool about this interview is we got answers from her that she hasn't discussed on any episode anywhere.

And this is a big one. You know career is important. You know money's important. You know preemps are important. You know the transparency is important, right? So I loved her openness and honesty in a place where the more like vulnerable you are, just one episode in the higher risk on podcasts like this but i love where she's stood and i love that she drew the line in the sand and she knows what she wants i would love the show you know the show's bread and

butter is kind of like get someone on a one-on-one bring up the most traumatic thing that's ever happened to them in their entire life and like that's the basis of the date i will love i get that's important to character building and there's some connection there but i would love for them to throw in some spicy conversations right maybe some like not so easy conversations that obviously it sounds like jen's planning to have it just just also seems to me and maybe it was funny seeing her say that she wants more gimmicks like she actually was surprised there wasn't more. I feel like she wasn't also like easily impressed by a lot of the gimmick sometimes. So I'm really curious to watch how the season plays out and her

overall just reactions. I feel like she's the type of lead that's going to be like that's it. That's all you got. Are you getting to give more than that? Um, I feel like she just got that energy. I feel like she's got that confident energy about her. She does. She's got that powerful energy, that confident energy, which is also. a good connection to a topic that we know a lot of bachelor nations been talking about the last three four days when we recorded this which was last week we thought about like do we put this out right away or no and i like that we kind of held on it to monday because there's such different content in this episode but the kelly ripa situation like she is the first one ever i

think to immediately clap back at her to immediately like stand her ground and so that's the kind of person is she does have that powerful energy and you're going to know where she stands how she stands and when she stands and what she's thinking and I think that's going to make for a good season. Well, I think you're right because you got Kelly Ripa talking about it. You got Ryan Reynolds tweeting at the mom. You got people that I think their eyebrows are

parked. I think they're really interested to see how this plays out. And I got to say, we had Charity and Dotton on. Like we talked about before, you're seeing this kind of new wave of Bachelorette and Bachelor leads going back to the lives that they had. We had, you know, Joey and

Kelsey on as well. And, um, it's really interesting to see how rooted they are in their careers and their passion and are really using this for an avenue to hopefully find love, you know, and take advantage of some business opportunities that may come along with it, but they're not diving in head first. We always like to see how they play out after that once, you know, as you know on the talent agency side, how it plays out. But Jen's interesting.

She's going to be a, I feel like she's going to be a little bit of a tough cookie to crack for some of these guys. And just some of the teasers, again, that she said, where her final floor had some some bad impressions, that turn good impressions. I'm really, really curious to see how she weeds out her men throughout the season. Yeah, it'll be interesting. And I think there's going to be a lot of twists and turns. That's just my guess.

I don't know much. And I also think there's going to be some twists and turns from what we heard today and what actually becomes the reality of what life looks like. You know what I mean? We already know there's twist and turns with the ratings and the expectations. We had Batcher data on last Thursday talking about that. So I don't know. if I have a crystal ball in front of me

and in one year from now is Jen back at PA school? She said yes my guess kind of like her bachelor statistics I'm going 58% chance she's not back there 42% chance she is that's my guess how about you

we're going to find out look I can only take Jen for her word I've never met her before so Jen if you're listening to this I'm taking to your word you were you were triple stamping a double stamp to make sure that you were going to end up in PA school. He's even said part time. We'll see if part time becomes just the fact that you were happy to finish it and have the diploma on the wall. But I'm curious.

And if you, if it is a year from now and you're off the show and you're in PA school, guess what? You're coming on here and you're going to tell us why. One of the things I know being around the franchise for seven years or whatever is that one of the biggest insecurities people face is the noise after the show of what's your identity. What are you doing? Why you doing it? And when you get off the show the idea of people pleasing, like, right away, is at its highest level ever because you're so new to it all. You're just like, I don't know. And so the one thing I will say is, I agree with you. Jen is a woman of her word. There's no doubt about it, but I've seen so many people that come off the show. And then they start to see the dollar cents and opportunities.

And it becomes a little harder to go look back unless truly, truly, that is your 100% passion. It's cool to see charity doing it. And we'll see what happens with Jen. And, uh, Jen, if you're listening still, you're still with us. Either way, we're definitely rooting for you. David, do you have anything else before we read? Just excited to see the episode tonight. The boys are down under in Australia. I'm excited to see the places that they're going.

I think we're going to get a good season out of this. They hooked me back in a little bit. So I look forward to recapping this a little bit with you when we can throughout the journey here. I like that, and I love it. And I think that's a good point to let our listeners give us some feedback. We have had a ton of great guests on this podcast. We're going to continue to do that.

Go give us five stars. You heard us last Thursday and more than money. Talk about the business and economics of the contestants in their jobs and also the first episode. If this is something you want more of this season, you let us know. Maybe if it's something we just do for hometowns and finale, we could do that too. Maybe it's something you don't want. Just go to Apple, give us five stars and let us know. Do you want more business economics and recap of reality TV shows, especially the Bachelat, one that is airing,

this season, a historic one with Jen Tran. You let us know. David, you got anything before we wrap? Nope, good to go. Good to go. Well, thank you for tuning into another episode of Trading Secrets. Please remember to subscribe to our YouTube channel. Go follow us on Instagram.

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