Trading Secrets - 200. Mama Caluch in the house! Dale Tartick dives into family career history, her love of Bachelor Nation, and BTS of life in the Tartick household

Episode Date: September 16, 2024

This week, Jason is joined by Buffalo native, Mamaroneck High school grad, Buffalo State alumni, former accountant turned workers comp auditing manager, and his mom, Dale Tartick! Dale breaks down the history of work for their family from Grandpa Dave selling his costume jewelry to Claires to Grammy going from being a teacher to opening her own health care agency, how she would describe herself growing up, celebrating her 40th wedding anniversary, her advice for maintaining a relationship with divorced parents, how it’s not possible to be 100% at everything, and what it was like parenting Jason before reality TV. Dale also reveals that she was a superfan of The Bachelor prior to Jason being on the show, what she thought about him on the show, how she prepared the family for the hometown date, how she was watching Reality Steve to keep up to date during filming, navigating all the noise, how others actions can impact the family, and what her anti-aging strategy.  Dale reveals all that and so much more in another episode you can’t afford to miss!  Host: Jason Tartick Co-Host: David Arduin Audio: John Gurney Guest: Dale Tartick Stay connected with the Trading Secrets Podcast!  Instagram: @tradingsecretspodcast  Youtube: Trading Secrets Facebook: Join the Group All Access: Free 30-Day Trial  Trading Secrets Steals & Deals! Keeper Tax: Track expenses, find deductions, and get a bigger tax refund. For a free trial + 10% off your subscription go to keepertax.com/tradingsecrets! #keepertaxpod  Monarch Money: No one wants to spend hours juggling accounts or having some unwieldy spreadsheet. Log into Monarch and see it all in minutes. Run your finances, don't let them run you. Go to monarchmoney.com/SECRETS for an extended 30 day free trial.  Money Crimes: Some say financial crime is victimless, but that definitely isn’t the case... especially when it ends in murder. Money Crimes is a new show hosted by bestselling author and entrepreneur Nicole Lapin about the world’s biggest financial scandals – and how they can spiral out of control in ways you’d never expect. Money Crimes is a Crime House Original Powered by PAVE Studios. New episodes are released every Thursday. Shopify: Upgrade your business and get the same checkout we use with Shopify. Sign up for your one-dollar-per-month trial period at shopify.com/secrets

Welcome back to another episode of Trading Secrets. I'm your host, Jason Tardick, and welcome to the pre-market trading segment, where I'm going to tell you a little bit about what you can expect from our guests today, a quick money tip and an update for my personal life. I'm going to make this intro short and sweet because, wow, we got to an episode today. Now, if you're listening to Apple or Spotify, please just nail and hit smash, whatever word you want, that subscribe button. It helps our show out tremendously. It's always fun to listen to the show. If you don't have a lot of fun, you should watch the show. Just go to

YouTube, type in Jason Tartick, and you can see the full episode right there. Well, this is a special episode because it is our 200th episode over three years of trading secrets. Episode 199 was my brother, so it felt only appropriate for episode 200 to bring in my mother, Dale Tardick. I feel honored. I feel privileged. I don't have words to express how grateful I am for my mom. Since day one to today, to have this opportunity to have a full episode recorded that I'll have forever, that hopefully one day I can share with my kids and they could share with their kids. And just to explore all the different avenues, A to Z, it was. really special. And in this episode, you're going to get a lot. You are going to get a lot. You are going to hear

about, you know, what it was like for my mom dealing with parents that were divorced and how she maintained relationships with both of them and how that impact, you know, her as a child, but also as a parent. You're going to hear all about her parenting. You're going to hear about the dynamic of our family, her career track, how she manage a career in parenting, all the different aspects A to Z as it relates to the things that make my mom special. Now, I know we have Bachelor only fans here and wow, I just said Bachelor only fans. No, there is not a Bachelor on Onlyfans, but we have some fans here that are just interested in the Bachelor portion of this. And if you are, I'm going to give you a little tip. You can just scroll to about the 30,

35 minute mark after I start interviewing her. And that's when we get into her take on all the things relating to me going on the show, her perspective of hometowns, her take on me as an influencer creator, her position on things she has had to see and deal with in the last year or two, all the things you could imagine from Jason being the Buffalo kid to Jason being in the public spotlight and having to see the good and the bad. So that happens at about the 30, 35 minute mark. But those people that are going to fast forward, I would really urge you, you know, listen to the first 30 minutes. There are some incredible life lessons that you can take away. And also, I'll say this. I know it. I speak some, I speak slow at sometimes. I'm a

thinker. I like to speak with intention. You know, my mom does too. So if it helps, also maybe listen to this at one and a half speed. But I'm telling you, it's an episode. You can't afford to miss. It's got great depths. And stay tuned to the recap where David and I talk all about it. Now, a little money tip, this is a very, very basic budgeting rule. But what I've learned is that some basic rules we still don't talk about and we still haven't comprehended or let them sink in. It's the 50, 30, 20, 20 budgeting rule. What it says is that 50% of your income should go towards essentials,

such as housing, food, transportation, utilities. 30% of your income should go towards your wants, such as entertainment and travel, and 20% of your income should go towards savings and extra debt payments, such as retirement savings, emergency fund savings, credit card repayments, et cetera. So it's called the 50, 30, 30, 20, 20% essential, 30% wants, 20% savings. Quick update for my personal life, you're going to hear a little bit about it. I don't really have to give you an update, but this weekend I had my mom, my dad, my brother, and Billy, all in Nashville, Tennessee.

We had such a great time here. It was special, but it was not as special as this podcast. So enough of me. Let's ring in the bell with the one. one and only Mama Kaluch, Dale Tardick. Welcome back to another episode of Trading Secrets. Today we are joined by Buffalo Native, Mamarinick High School grad,

Buffalo State Alumni, former accountant-turned workers' comp auditing manager, the Bachelorette season 14 hometown star, my mother, aka Mama Kaluch, Dale Tardick. Mom, this is the 200th episode of Trading Secrets, tens of millions of downloads later, and it is an honor to share this special episode with you.

Thank you so much for being on Sharing Secrets. Thank you, my dear. It's an honor to be with you. We had Stephen last episode. He was 199. What did you think of his episode? I thought he did an excellent job. I was very proud of him, and I was proud of you as well.

It was good. Are you feeling a little nervous? A very nervous. What are you possibly nervous about? I don't know. Why are you nervous? All right. Well, I'll get into the questions. I love it. Little anxiety from mom here today. All right. So let's do this. We're going to do a rundown. We're going to start with before you, what the careers of the people and your family looked like.

So we have Grammy. That is Marsha Ivers. We have Grandpa Lenny, who is no longer with us. R.I.P. Grandpa Lenny, Leonard Gross. Let's go to Lenny's father. So that was my great grandpa, Dave. What did he? do for work? So he owned a millinery company. He actually sold hats to many women in the 40s, 50s, even somewhat of the 60s. Like to like formal events? Formal events going out for the day. Part of what you wore was a nice hat. So he sold these hats and then I thought he was in costume jewelry at one point. So what happened was what was very interesting, and he always said that the Pope hurt his business. The Pope did? The Pope.

Coming from the good old Jewish man. That's right. Because once the Pope decided that women didn't have to wear hats to church, his business just plummeted. So the Pope like acknowledged that. He said women no longer have to wear hats in church. And like made an announcement about that. Absolutely.

And so he pivoted and decided to sell costume jewelry. So it was first hats then costume jewelry. Yes. He owned 18 stores. And when he decided to retire, he sold his business to Clare's boutique, which is still in malls to this day. So Grandpa Dave sold his costume jewelry business to Clare's, the little place in the mall that does the free year piercings and has all the little.

Really? I did not know that. Do you know how much he sold it for? No, I don't. I wish I did know. Any idea at all? I do not know. Was he wealthy?

I would say he was well off. And his wife didn't work, right? No. Okay. What was she like? She was the matriarch of the family. She was the queen. She was like the boss.

She was the boss. She was the queen. She made the decisions. She carried herself with class and dignity at all times, dressed to the hill, you know, had her perch. I remember. I remember even because she passed away at what age? I think she was like 81. And Grandpa Dave was he was a wild.

95. He was dancing. He was dressed. Well, partier. Even, I mean, he was going on, I feel like until 95, the day before he died, he was going on three dates, I feel like. At our wedding, he had a bottle of jack. And all my friends were in a circle, and he was just giving the bottle to everybody to take a shot.

He was the party animal. He was. All right. R-I-P-Dadeve. Let's go to Grandpa Lenny. Grandpa Lenny for work. I've talked about on the podcast. He was an endodontas.

And Odontas, oral surgeon and also a professor, right? Yes. Anything else? Like, I didn't know that Grandpa Dave sold his business to Claire's boutique. Anything else from, like, an income perspective or career perspective that Grant Bellini did that I might not know? He did a lot of investing on his own. He was with a. financial advisor. He decided that he could do a better job than the financial advisor did. And he did

all his investing on his own. And he also advised to us for decades on what to do with our finances. He also told me about the story of the financial advisor taking advantage of him, who's still in prison today. So that was a story that was passed on down. Let's quickly go to Grammy, Marcia Ivers. Marcia Ivers, the Queen Bee. Boss. What did her parents do for work? So her parents owned a children's clothing shop in White Plains, New York, and they work very hard. Every day went to that shop and sold what they could and walked back home. Entrepreneurs too? Yes, they were.

Okay. And Grammy, for her career and profession, were some things she did. Grammy went to school to be a teacher. She was a nursery school teacher. She decided to get her master's in gerontology, maybe a decade later, to open up her own home health care agency. Wow. Strong woman, independent woman, taught us all our morals and values and basically told us we could do whatever we want. Wow. She was strong, still is, extremely strong, very passionate about her beliefs and has done an unbelievable job raising you and your sister. Yes, she does. And doing her thing. Marsha, shout out to you. We love you. All right, we're going to get into all the things that people want to

know. They want to know, of course, about my childhood, but also most importantly, they want to know about your take on reality TV, your take on the hometowns, your take life after, some of the breakups and in between from a mother's perspective. Those hard hitting questions we're going to get into. But a couple of questions I have for you. How would you describe yourself in high school and in college? What was Dale Tardick like? Strongweld, social. I like to party. I, were you like, what was partying like back then? Like discos? Oh, discos. So you just dance all night? In the polyester dress, New York City, Long Island. Did you ever get into trouble as a child?

Are you a troublemaker? No. I was smart enough to get caught. Not get caught. Okay. I respect that. All right, let's ask you this. If you went back 40 years ago, what would you tell high school Dale Tardock?

Everything is going to be okay. Okay. High school was difficult. My mother was going through some turmoil. We had some turmoil in our family, and the home front was not a calm place. I was trying to find myself, I would say, don't worry, Dale, you've got this. You're going to be just fine. And I think that as you go on and you achieve small goals, you start becoming self-sufficient, self-reliant, you develop confidence.

And then that takes you to your next goal or your next opportunity. Follow-up question I have for that. Both if your parents got divorced and then remarried and divorced. So as a child, you saw a lot of divorce. Yes. You just celebrated your 40th wedding anniversary. Yes. So what advice would you have for anyone that's listening to this,

that their parents are divorced or they are the parents that have been divorced and just navigating those waters? but then also what did you learn from that situation that allowed you to then move forward in a relationship that is healthy and loving and 40 years later celebrating a beautiful anniversary? I decided early on in life that I was going to look for a partner that had the same moral values that put family first that I knew would be there with me for the rest of my life through thick and thin supporting me and me supporting him. That was very important to find somebody with character.

I feel like I always stress that also with you and your brother. Your character is everything. The way you present yourself, your reputation, it's very important. So the minute I met your father, Gary, I knew that he was the man that I wanted to marry. I loved his family. He had the most wonderful parents. His mother, every Sunday, would make big dinner and we would just sit around and talk. And I just felt so comfortable at his family's house.

And I knew I wanted to be part of that family. I love it. When you met him, like the first time you met him, what was he like? What were you attracted to when you saw him? Well, he was hot. He is hot. He is hot. but I do recall particular speech class

we were at Buff State where he had to get up there and do a speech and he I can't wait to hear this he was very built so I have no idea what the speech was about he was jacked but I just remember looking at him going

damn he's hot but again that was the initial view of him but when I got to know him I realized that he was a man of character. And to this day, when we go to reunion, somebody will always come over to him and say, I just want you to know, I remember, you always sat with me at the lunch table and nobody else would.

Wow. He's that guy. What a guy. Wow, good for you, Mom. Where was your first date? Niagara Falls. We went on a double date to Niagara Falls, and, you know, we just went to see the falls

and walk around the park and everything. And that was our first kiss. I love the story when he, at some point, you tried to break up with him. Oh, I did. And he was just like, no, it's not going to happen. There were times when you dated somebody. Yeah. And I just, he was just annoying me.

And I was thought to myself, okay, I'm, I'm over this. Yeah. I'm over this. It was New Year's Eve. Oh, wow. Yeah. We were on the dance floor. And I said, I don't think this is going to work. I said, I think it's time we.

you know, ended this. And he said, no, we're not ending it. And I went, what do you mean? No. No one's ever said, no. And he said, no, we're not. We're too good together. We're going to make this work. And I thought, hmm, well, he's fighting for it. Let's see what happens. Well, I'm glad he said no. Here we are. I want to quickly go back to the divorce of your parents, because one thing I think that's really important is that you maintained great relationships with them in your adulthood and still to this day with your mother, any bit of advice for anyone that has parents or divorced and is attempting or working to continue to maintain a strong relationship with them, even though they had experienced or seen some trauma within the actual marriage of mom or dad

or maybe there's some feelings of tension or frustration, someone that has gone through a divorce, how do you still maintain a relationship with each of them individually? Or what advice do you have for those people? I have the advice of take each one individually, do what you can to nurture the relationship with that particular person. Don't bring the other person into the conversation as much as you can. Realize that they are coming through with guilt, frustration, anger for the other person. and you have to take a step back and realize it's not personal.

And you are entitled to your own relationship with each parent. You're entitled to nurture that and grow that and keep that going. I like that. What I'm hearing, too, is like boundaries. Your relationship with that parent is your relationship with that parent. And there's a boundary that the other toxicity doesn't have to enter into your relationship with that human. I like that. I think that's healthy. I think that's great advice. A big question I got from the listeners of trading secrets is your secrets to being married 40 years.

That is the exception. You are an outlier. What are some trading secrets you have for being married for 40 years? I think marriage is a give and take. There's a lot of times you take. There's other times you have to give. And there was a song back in the 90s from Mary Chapin Carpenter that said sometimes you're the windshield and sometimes you're the bum. Sometimes you're the Louisville slugger, sometimes you're the ball.

Marriage is give and take. It's not all easy. It's not all sunshine and rainbows. You have to work hard at it. Again, going back to why I picked Gary Tardick, because he had so much character and so much fortitude and such a hardworking person and such a great husband and father, he always put his family first. And so those days when you feel like you just want to walk out that door, there's something that always brings you back. Your partner will drive you crazy. But you have to know and dig deep that you'll get through it, that there's highs and there's lows.

And that's every relationship. You've seen a lot, I mean, you're very social, so you have a lot of friends. So you've seen a lot of relationships blossom and work out. You've seen a lot of divorces. You've seen infidelity. You've seen literally A to Z when it comes to relationships. Do you believe or do you subscribe to the concept that the perfect relationship can exist? No, there's no such thing as a perfect relationship.

I mean, it's your relationship and what you choose to do with it. But there's no such thing as perfect. I mean, it's just hard work. And I do have to say in all the decades and all the friends we have, there's very few that have been divorced. I would say of your friends, of our friends. I would say 95% of them are still together. They were high school sweethearts, college sweethearts, met just when they started working, and they're still together.

We were with friends last weekend that were celebrating their 50th anniversary, their 35th anniversary, and we were at 40. So we, I don't know if we're an anomaly, but we don't have a lot of friends that have been divorced. I like what Billy said this weekend when he talked about perfection in relationships. I think he said something on the long lines of people that believe in perfection and relationships really are just telling you that they have a low tolerance for humans because it's just impossible. It's just impossible.

So your tolerance for individuals are so low that you can see something you don't like. You exit those relationships. And it's really just that your tolerance for anything that is the reality of growth and being a human and coming from different places with different lenses is just extremely low. Some people just don't want to work at a relationship. They feel that when it gets tough, okay, I'm checking out. Sure. And I'm going.

And that's when I do appreciate the fact that dad said, no, we're not breaking. Yeah. If I really wanted to break up, I'm going to broke up. But I love the fact that he said, we have so much going for us. We could get through this. I like it. And it's hard work. A determined man, that Gary Tardick.

You mentioned the word work. Let's get into work. I always remember you as, as far as I can go back, you're always someone that's had a career. I don't remember you ever not working. And still to this day, you work full time. If you go back in time, is there anything you would have done different

as far as your career? I didn't have the opportunity to have my mother home. She had to work. She was a single woman. and she had to work full-time. I just chose that I was going to have a flexible career. And so I wanted to be able to have the flexibility to work and to go to the school activities and go to your soccer

and go to Stevens' choir recital. And so I wouldn't change anything. I know I could have achieved probably more than I have, but I'm very comfortable with what I did because it gave me the opportunity to never miss anything with regards to you and your brother's activities.

And both you and dad never missed, you never missed anything. You never missed a birthday. That was important to me. You never missed a holiday, a game, a sporting event, anything. You missed nothing. You're always there.

I can't think of one moment in my childhood that you guys weren't there when I needed you to be there or celebrating something or something that was impactful. So I agree. I do have a question for you, though. We talked about the perfection of relationships

and how it doesn't exist. What about the perfect parent? Do you think it's possible? Can you give 100% to your career and 100% to your partner and 100% to your kid? And how in a world like today do you suggest someone like myself

or anyone out there manages all these expectations of being the best worker, accelerating your career, making the most money, the best partner, the best father, the best everything.

Can you do it? Is it possible to give 100% in everything? No, you're setting yourself up for a nervous breakdown. I mean, being superwoman, which we all tried desperately to do. We tried to give 100% to our children and give 100% to our career, give 100% to our part. You can't do it. You just can't do it. It's a balancing act.

And there are times when you're giving maybe 50,000. 50% to your children and maybe 50% to your partner. You can only do so much in a day and take time for yourself. That's important. Remember, you always have to put the oxygen on yourself first before you assist your child or your partner. Yeah. Okay. I like that.

Great advice. It's great advice. Take care of yourself. And when you take care yourself, you'll be able to take care around the people that are around you that you love and care. I love some grace. Okay. Let's talk about motherhood a little bit more. Stephen was just on the podcast.

That was episode 199. A lot of people saw we have polar opposite lifestyles, interests. I mean, A to Z or different. I mean, it's, that was kind of our household. You had actually a, you know, a conservative Catholic husband who has majority of his heritage tied to Lebanon and your Jewish liberal and Israel and Lebanon are in a war right now. and a straight son and a gay son. So let's first go into advice on parenting two siblings that have polar opposite lifestyles and interest.

I think it's really important as a parent to find your child's passion and help support that and encourage that. You were easy. You were into sports and soccer and hockey. You would get up in the morning and put your little bike helmet on, half cocktail. and run out the door and want to play and you were outside all day and you were always happy and you're ready to go. Yeah. And Stephen, I think, was more of an introvert.

He loved playing his games inside and he loved magic. And so we definitely encouraged him to go to magic camps and every week we went to the magic shop. Yeah. And they had lessons. And he had mentors there that helped. him, you know, with all his tricks. And then when he got into high school, he started the theater group. And one day I decided that I was going to take him to New York to let him experience true Broadway theater. And when he got home from school, I said, pack your bag. We're going

in New York. So we got to New York. He got out of the cab. And I could still, I still get a little, you know, teary-eyed about it because he just lit up. He knew immediately that he needed to be there. Was that the first time you saw him light up like that? Yes. Yes. Was there anything from the podcast that I'd had with him last week when he talks about his childhood or his high school experience that you were surprised by or didn't know? Well, I knew he, he was always very confident of who he was. He knew his self-worth. He knew what he wanted. He knew what he didn't want he took no prisoners he he it was you who had to accept him for who he was and so because of what do you mean about that i've seen so many people i he had a he had a friend yeah

that came home with him one time when he was in college when yeah and he had told me that he had had nowhere to go anymore, that when he came out to his family, his family packed his suitcase and put it at the door and said, you're no longer part of this family. There were times when we went to Fire Island, which we do every year, and we've been on the dock, we were watching the fireworks, and this man came over to me and said, are you here? Are you here with your son? I said, yes.

He said, my mother would never come to Fire Island. Wow. Again, you accept your children for who they are. Yeah. You show them that you are there to support them, that they deserve the love that they want. And it's important that we all accept people for who they are. Yeah.

I never felt like I had to accept him. I felt like I always accepted him. I felt like I had to accept the reality of the world that we were living in. 100%. So I had to accept the people. around him or not even accept it but just just see it and that is a cruel world it is a cruel world it is a cruel of hate it was 2002 it was discussed different than it is now and hopefully it will not change yeah but it was 2002 there was no gay marriage so when he told me he was gay

my initial feeling was sadness for him because i thought he would have a difficult time in his life, being discriminated, never being able to marry or have a family. And I was sad for him. It was me who had to change my thinking. It was me who realized there's no sadness. There's only happiness because he's finding his happiness. And he found the best person for him. Billy is such a good partner.

We say it all the time. It's the best couple we know. Very healthy, very happy. Yes. Perfectly said, it was a beautiful family to be a part of. Let me ask you this, though, even at dinner last night. We don't talk politics on the show. I don't really want to get into the specifics of politics.

We don't do it. But yesterday, my dad was about to say, I'm going to say something controversial, and I cut him off. I go, nope, you're not. Actually, you're not. And he's like, no, I got to say it. I go, you're not going to say it. And he didn't say it. And the conversation carried on.

And it was a great dinner. So what advice do you have for people out there that live in such a polarizing world, that holiday season is coming up, and there are so many different opinions on the stance of politics, you clearly had to be able to not agree, but sometimes hear your partner or live in a household where there's all different opinions. What advice do you have for people that need to be able to hear even though when they don't agree? Well, it goes back to boundaries. You have to know your boundaries.

And that has to be established right off the bat. Sometimes it's best not to talk about it in politics at all. Just keep it out of the conversation 100%. There's other times you can have discussions about specific minute topics that you might find your common ground on. And that has been easier this time around than, in years past. We've always agreed on social issues. So that was never a problem or anything. I think it's important that you have your own opinion and you have to respect somebody else's opinion. Perfectly said again from Dale Tarduk. A couple more questions as a mother than I want

to get into some of my childhood and we will get into the reality TV talk. But what do you think your most difficult time as a mother was? And is there anything you would have done different during that time? I have to say, and I'm not just saying this, I have been extremely blessed with two fabulous kids. I didn't have any difficult times. I didn't. Come on. I did not have any difficult times with you or your brother.

There were no challenging times. You both were great kids. You didn't get in trouble. You followed your passions. You were respectful to people. You were kind to people. I just didn't have any issues with either of you. And you've always been really respectful of others.

So no, I really didn't have any issues. What about, okay, so we were good kids. And obviously it sounds like we didn't cause too many challenges in your life. But were there ever times as a mother, even when we were being good or behaving or doing the right thing, that you were like, this was just a tough time period for me. I think when I see my children sad. Yeah.

You know, if they're going through heartbreak, if they're going through a challenging time at work, If they're trying to make difficult decisions, obviously, it's going to affect a parent. And so when you're hurt, I'm hurt. You know, when you're struggling, I want to lift you up. I want to help. I want to be the parachute. I want to make sure everything's okay.

And so I think the most difficult thing for a parent is when their child is struggling. It's well said. And that's obviously the way you've parented is always having the best interest of Stephen and I. at heart. And as a result of that, that connects to maybe your hardest times was seeing when our best interests weren't in the best place. And I think it's hard as a parent because you have your own opinion of what I think you should do. And you're going to do what you want to do. But I want to be there to be a different perspective that you might not have thought of. And I want to help you and your brother through any challenging times you might have. So that's a good point. When you

you see red flags in, let's just say, in relationships or in work or previously, like when I was growing up, whether it was high school, college, after college, that you see it in someone I'm dating or in a place I'm working or decisions I'm making. How do you handle that? I think because we have such a good relationship as well with Stephen, I could say to you, Jay, I see a red flag. Jay, I need to give you my honest opinion. You could do with it what you want. But you need to, I'm not your friend.

I'm your parent. And I have your best interest at heart all the time. And you need to know this. And I've done that with you many times. You could do with it what you want. But maybe you're not seeing a red flag because you're so heavily involved into something, sure, that I just want to be a moral compass for you.

Yeah, I also historically know that I, whether it's job or people or friends or exes, I historically will protect those people and shield them. Fiercely protective of someone you love. Sometimes you don't see those red flags. Well, I know you cover red flags. I cover red flags. I know that. But you think you're covering something that I have.

haven't seen, but I've seen it. Yeah, yeah. There's the mother speaking. All right, let's go back to high school Jason real quick. As a child, how would people were asking? Like, how would you describe me as a child? Happy. You were happy. You're always singing in the shower. You just wanted to be with your friends. You just wanted to play. You are very active. You are exactly who you are publicly. What is my worst and best habit, would you say? I would say your worst habit is you give somebody multiple, multiple, multiple chances. Loyal to a fault. Loyal to a fault.

I would agree with that. What's my best habit? You have the biggest heart. Sweet. You are kind. You are respectful of people. You treat people the way you want to be treated. And because of that you are loyal,

but there are times I think you might be loyal to a fault. I agree with that. All right. Is there anything you wish, especially when it comes to parenting me, let's call it before reality TV world? Is there anything wish you would have worried less about? No. None.

Mm-mm. Nothing you, nothing. No. But I know what I could worry more about. Well, can you worry more about? I was just in the car with you. You're driving. I think I should have been an F1 driver in another lifetime.

Let's talk a little money here. I'll give a shout out to you. You and dad always generous, but always held us accountable. You know, I think that it's just a good dynamic. You always made sure whether you had money at the time or you didn't have money at the time that you prioritized the spending for the things that mattered and pulled back where it didn't. I feel like in general, you taught us to have a great relationship with money as it connects to value, right? Money serves a purpose.

It should not be abused. It should be not overspent. It should not be minimized, know when to spend, how to spend, but value it. How would you characterize your relationship with money? We've been saving since we were 25. We had our 401K going and tried to max it out every year. At your age, had very little money. But we never wanted for more than just being together with our friends.

We'd get some pizzas. We'd be sitting in the backyard. And those were happy times. It's like we never were looking for more than what we had at the time. time. As we have grown in our careers, we have saved more and more. I always kid around that dad still has his communion money. He is such a saver. Yeah. And, you know, I would tell, I'd say to him, let's, you know, relax a little. We could, we could do this. We could go here. We could do there. And he's like, I just want to make sure we have enough money. And now, all these years later,

we're ready to go. You guys are kicking it and killing it. I will say you never connected money to happiness. You never connected material items to success. You never connected to acquiring something means that you're successful. It was never the amount you spend is connected to the happiness. Yeah, we don't. The happiness that you get with that, which I think is super, super important.

What is your, like, so as a parent, though, like you guys are saving. you've saved a shit ton of money. You've done very well. You're still in your mid-60s working full-time. Like, when you think about money, like, what are you working towards to retire until you're 120? Like, are you working to pass stuff on? Are you working to never have to be a financial burden?

Like, what's the thought? Like, why are you guys still working full speed doing what you're doing? You know, we're getting to that point. We're certainly making decisions about our retirement. And we retire. We have plans. I want to volunteer for. LGBTQ organizations. I want to help dog rescues. Dad will probably be on the pickleball circuit.

I never want to be a financial burden to my children, obviously, and nor will we ever. Yeah. We wanted to make sure we were completely independent and we will be able to take care of ourselves when we need to. Well, we'll take care of you should you ever need it. Don't you worry. All right. Let's transition to the big change in my life. I was a banker by trade moving all over the country, rising up the corporate ladder, got my MBA in accounting and finance, had that senior title, the VP, doing well at 29. I call you and say, I'm going on the bachelorette. What are you thinking? Well, first of all, let me backpedal a little. Good time to refill here. In 2000. I might want to take a sip before you go into this one, Dale Tardick. This is a champagne break,

brought to you by Trading Secrets, Kaluch style. Okay, Bachelorette, talk to me. I Okay. First of all, I'm going to backpedal to 2002 when I started watching the show. I was a super fan. I remember when you watching Trista and Ryan. I watched that season. I watched every season from day one. Shout out to Bob Guinea, my favorite bachelor and Trista the Queen Bee. We love you, Bob. We love you, Trista. Love the show. I was involved in Bachelor Pools. We were on the phone. My friends and I talking about the Bachelor. So when you called me out of the blue and said, you're never going to believe this. A producer just called me to try out for the Bachelor. I always said to you, oh, no, you're not. That's my show. I remember that. You're not going on that show. Yeah.

I do not want to see my son on that show. Okay. And you said, I'm going to do this. And I thought to myself, okay, you just keep applying. There's thousands of people applying. So you thought I won't get to get in. No way. How come? How come you didn't think I'd get in? Because there were thousands of people that were applying. Just the law of numbers? And I don't think you were even taking it seriously.

No, I was. You were going through the motions. Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah. You really didn't know much about the show. No. And you thought, well, let me just go for it. You know, let me try it. Let me see.

I'm single. I have nothing to lose. I'll try. And I thought to myself, okay, you have to go through the 25-page application. You have to go through interviews. and FBI, you know, evaluations and psychological evaluations and all this. And I thought maybe you would not be interested in going through it once you were done. I remember I almost didn't hit submit because I had to do a video.

And everyone does these like big videos. And I just literally, I didn't have it. I was in Seattle. I put my computer on and I was like, hey, this is who I am, 60 seconds, boom, boom, boom. But I end up getting on. Then I tell you I'm going to get on. And then what did you think? I thought, oh boy.

You did not want me to go on. No, why didn't you want me to go on? I knew that your father would really not be happy that you were on that show. Why? What? Remember what? Well, I used to watch the show. He would walk in five minutes and say, I don't know how you're watching this and walk out.

Well, now he watches it religiously with you. Yeah, now he knows everything. Now he's following everybody on Instagram. Hey, you're managing this guy or grown. What are they like? This person's going to make it. This person's not, but he's like a little recruiter out there. But when I left, you were like, I told you, I'm a little recruiter.

to leave my job to go film for three months and you're like hell no hell no you are on the fast track were VP you just moved to seattle yeah and you're going to leave your job yeah and take a leave of absence to go on a dating show yeah right one of 25 guys what are you thinking so then I do it and I'm gone you're gone you have no connection to me what are you thinking you're like I help me back in a couple days I'm dying but did you think I was going to go far I figured Three days, I'd be getting a car. Two days I'd be getting a car. I just figured, no, I just figured you would, you would, no, I didn't think you would.

But I gave you a lot of advice before you went on the show. You did give me a lot of advice. I said, don't drink a lot because in the beginning days, you know, guys would get so drunk that would jump in the pool. I would also remember you saying, don't cry, don't cry, don't cry. And so I remember, like, when the breakup happened, all I kept sitting in my head, don't cry. Don't cry. And you were crying and crying. Not really.

It was like a little like dabble. I wasn't like cry. I wasn't a cry like that, really. But you told me not to go. I'm gone a week. I'm now gone two weeks. I'm now gone three weeks. What are you thinking?

I'm watching reality. Steve, because at that time he was the only one who was giving some spoilers as to what was going on during filming. That was the only thing I knew. They took your phone away. You couldn't contact us. You had no no openings to the, the outside world at all. I mean, it was a hostage situation. And then all of a sudden, though, and then all this sudden, you saw me in Richmond. I saw you in Richmond. I saw some pictures of

you in Richmond, so I knew you were okay. And then I got a call from one of the producers that said, hey, hey, Dale, guess what? And I said, I know exactly what. How'd you know? Oh, no. How'd you know? Well, because I knew we were getting close to hometowns. Okay. So I figured the only reason. Hi, Dale. Guess what? It's hometown week.

And I said, oh, no. You're kidding. So you wanted to have the hometown in Buffalo. We were already moved from there. And so they found a house. And we went into town. We all went into town. And I did a huddle with the family.

And I said, we are vanilla. think vanilla because i did not want any of us to say anything to create a new storyline and take away from your journey it was your journey i didn't want to be the mother creating all the havoc i didn't want to talk about your past i didn't want to talk about your faults how i felt all i wanted to do is get through the night to be there to support you, and I wanted it to be your journey. Was the concern, though, you didn't want to take away from my journey, or was your concern? I don't want to deal with the public scrutiny of what we could be. I think it was all of it.

I just didn't want any backlash for saying the wrong thing. I didn't want it to be about us. Going into the hometown, before you see me, did you think there was any chance I was going to the end? Yeah, I did. We're good. You sound about reality Steve was saying? No. Yeah.

I knew with reality Steve that Becca was more into Garrett. Right. And so I did feel he was going to be a part of her journey. Yeah. However, we were in the hometowns. You two walked in, arm and arm. And I thought, at any point did they try, the producers try and bring up past release? relationships or anything like that?

Absolutely, they did. And how'd you respond? Oh, I responded strongly. How would you say? I said, stop the camera. We are not talking about Jason's exes, period. And they said, okay, okay. I did feel after talking with Becca, who was very lovely, that it was more of a friend zone.

Yeah, you thought like right away. Yeah, when I talked to her. And did you feel like you had the ability to tell me that? Well, they miced us before you even walked in the door. And the first time I see you guys is when you walk in and they're filming. We didn't, yeah, we weren't able. I wasn't able to have any time with you. They made sure that we were separate, separated constantly. You had somebody with you all at all times.

I had somebody with me at all times and we were miced. So there were people listening to our conversation. Yeah. But for some strange reason, for about 30, seconds, you and I were in the kitchen together, I remember that, alone. And so I tap you because I don't want you to say anything. And I didn't want to say anything. Yeah. And I went like this to you. And I whispered in your ear, guard your heart. She's not that into you. Unbelievable. I think I remember you saying guard your heart, but I think producers

pulled me away before you said she wasn't that into you. I don't remember you. I don't remember you saying that. I'm sure you did, but I think they jumped in. I remember we were talking for a second. Boom. They separated us. Split them up. All right. Well, I get out of the show. I go right back to work. I'm working full speed. But then all of a sudden, there's this whole influencing thing. And, you know, I'm making 10 grand here, five grand here, 15 grand on this post, three grand here. And I'm like starting to whisper like, hey, there's some money in this shit. Like, what did you think about that potential as a career? Well, At that time, it was a new situation, you know, Instagram, influencing wasn't as big as it is now.

Yeah. You didn't go into this with the thinking that you were going to become an influencer. No, no, no, no about it. So when you said to me, I'm thinking of going into this and becoming an influencer, I thought, are you out of your mind? You have a great job. You have a great career path. What are you doing? Yeah.

But, you know, we were old school. We followed the yellow brick row. We didn't take these opportunities, nor did we have them. You have these opportunities. Do you now, at what point did you start to say, oh, shit, like this, whatever this thing is he's exploring, is like, it's a career. Well, I think when you started to find your own lane,

when you started to go into avenues that you can use your experience, from banking, from finance, from money advice. And I knew you were not going to just go into that Bachelor Nation lane for your 15 minutes of fame. You could actually take the experience you had and create a new tool and which you have done. I don't think people really realize how many businesses you have and how successful you have been at these businesses on your own

and how they're growing. And you're creating a reputation that's excellent and people want to work with you. And it's only growing. So what do you think about it now? 10 years ago, I was banker MBA accounting finance. Fast forward 10 years later, you know, we have investment in a bunch of companies. We, you know, I have a talent management company, a couple books, podcasts, do creating work on my own. Like, what do you, what's your sentiment?

What do you think about that? People want to know, like, what do people, what does the mom of a person in this space who was very traditional to now this new innovative way of earning income. What do you think about it? I think you are fabulous. What do you think of the career? I can't believe what you have developed, grown. Okay.

People don't realize how hard it is to do what you do. They see one story up and say, oh, it took them 30 seconds to put it up. No, it didn't. There's a lot of editing involved in your podcast. I've seen you work at seven in the morning and one o'clock in the morning to one o'clock in the morning. I mean, you are extremely hardworking. Yeah. And so you have earned all this success.

You deserve all this success. And I, we're, dad and I are both very proud of you. Let me ask you this. You go from me in high school and college and like you said, good kid, really never got in trouble. I never got detention. I never got suspension. I never got trouble with the police. I don't know, maybe one speeding ticket or two, Max.

Yeah, you did crash my car, but we won't talk about it. Yeah, I remember that. I hit a little tree. But that being said, you know, you go into a world of, I was like, you know, captains of the sports teams and vote in most athletic my senior year, right? All the bullshit. And I say all that because it was, I'm trying to set the scene for you didn't deal with much adversity of me as a child and in college when it comes to trouble. All of a sudden, I go on reality TV, and I had a good edit. But still, I've dealt with public breakups.

I've had, you know, really negative things said about me. You then start to see blogs. You start to see people gang up. A majority of it has been pretty good sentiment, but there's still our haters. There always will be. Like, what is it like for a mother to go from having a child in a suit and tie being a banker? And things are great. Go get them, Tiger, to like, all of a sudden, you got all these people saying all these things.

or they're in your windows or there's maybe false information or there's just real opinions. How do you handle that? I think it's been a very challenging time. I think it's very difficult to... Could you choose your words correctly? She is just pulling.

Let me get this perfect word and not fuck this up. Excuse my language. No, I do think it's been a learning experience on my side. In the beginning, when you went on the show, the worst thing I heard about you was that your hair... Too much hair gel. Grease ball. Grease ball, you know.

You have an incredible following base. They are extremely supportive. 95% of what's said about you. And believe me, I read everything. Don't, please. I read it all. You should not read everything. I read it all.

You really shouldn't. I do. I don't know. Just be careful with that. Does that impact you when you read it all? No. Because if it throws your impact, you shouldn't read it. Very, very rarely does it impact me?

Because if it's negative people don't know what they're saying. The full story, right. They don't know anything. Yeah. I believe that you've handled yourself incredibly well. You can say you carry yourself with dignity in class and you respect people as you want to be respected and you have choices in this world

to ignore chatter. You know, I feel like you have control of your own narrative. I think silence is power at times. You know, I don't think you have to respond to everything that is said. And you've carried yourself in a very dignified way. And for that, you know, I'm proud of you. I'm proud of how you handle everything you have to handle.

Thank you. Do you, is it, as a parent, though, and I appreciate that. That means a lot. But from a parent's perspective, I think what I'm also trying to do is give context to people that watch this show and then see someone on social and they kind of make a, They come at it. What is it like from a parent's perspective to see your child in this wild world? I think.

And what have you learned from it? I think I've learned more from you. Okay? You have gone through a tornado and come through it into the sunshine because you did the work you needed to do to figure out yourself worth, to figure out what you want for your future, and how to handle all this. That's the word I'm looking for. Noise?

Okay. That's a great word. The crazy noise that comes your way. You have two options. You could react quickly and go at it or you could just stop. Stop, drop, and roll. Well, I say stop, pause and think before you speak. Okay.

Because I don't think you need to respond to chatter. Yeah. Okay. Anything else you want to say on this topic of social media and a child in the space? I do feel that I don't, I do feel that influencers might not, it might not come to their forefront that their families are dealing with a lot of the repercussion that is. That's true. when their children go through it. So if somebody goes on and doesn't think before they speak. And, you know, I was just seeing a lot of the bachelor nation, they will go on and they're trying to explain their situation,

justify what they did. And then they, you know, don't think, and they just want to explain away. And texts are scrolling and... private messages are being portrayed. And I think everybody doesn't realize what the family goes through as well, you know, when their child is out there in the public. And I think it's difficult to navigate for the families sometimes.

At this point, these individuals are adults. These adults have enough information based on history. historically what can happen for the good or bad and they have to make adult decisions and I think the conversation to a lot of these people who go on reality TV and things that have happened recently is like when you decide to make a comment when you decide to do something for your own gain or for attention or to drum up a headline or to maybe it's even explain yourself whatever it may be your words carry a massive weight and that weight not only impacts your credibility and reputation but it connects in a dotted line to all the people that care and love about you and all the people

that wear your last name. And they're the ones who get the repercussions sometimes. The point is is something that is said about you from someone else when it's not even your words can go to grandpa, can go to grandma, can go to aunts and uncles. And that has an impact on you. And our coworkers. And we all have jobs. You know, and your boss. Yeah. So there are a lot of repercussions of the decisions you make and how you make. And the decisions you make. How do you know when to jump in? You see a lot of mothers and fathers and siblings. They jump in.

They start chirping. You've always, you know, refrain from that. How do you make the decision of when to get involved and when not to get involved? I don't get involved because I know you've got a handle on everything. Yeah, yeah. I don't worry about you. I know you've got a handle on it. Yeah.

I don't feel like I have to justify anything for you or speak for you because you take care of everything yourself. All right. That's fair. I truly believe when you get off a reality show, I think every person needs to go through a very, very 101 basic class of just what you said. Like, hey, here's a little PR tip. Hey, here's a little this tip. Hey, here, here, here the repercussions. Do with what you want. You want to go out there and explain it and show all your texts and do all this stuff. Go do it. But at least understand, there's a lot of ripple effect here. And you think about some of these people that go on reality shows. And then, and they make bad decisions and their careers and their finances and the impact that has on their families are, it could be in jeopardy for a while. Well, maybe that should be your next business. There you go. Create a course on that. You could definitely teach it.

Yeah. All right. Any other thoughts for the good or bad of either creating, influencing, or being in this spotlight over the, this is now 18, 19, 20, 21, 22, 23, 24. We're going on year seven. I just want to, I want to give a shout out to my closest to friends who have been there for me. They're your therapists? My therapist to get me through the most difficult times.

They are incredible people who just listen. They listen and they're there for me. And you just have to have a support system. You have an incredible support system. Correct. You have friends and family that adore you. And like I said, followers, DM me, multiple, multiple people how much they support you and they want you to be happy and they're there for you. I just can't tell you how many people who have been so kind to DM me, to DM Dad, to DM Stephen, you know. and give the support, you know, that means a lot to us. Yeah. Well, shout out to the Evans, the David Ardoins, the Hawk Jamesins, the Jackie Van Beters,

the Peggy Morts, and so on that are always there on your side, my side, and you never can forget the people that were with you at your lowest points. And of course, Chris Colser. Mark Coler edits this podcast. He is our video editor and one of your best friends, Chris Coler, always watching everything. And of course, Darcy, there's many more. But I do think the reality is to stay grounded in this space, which is constant mayhem, is you have to have good people, you have to have friends that tell you the reality of the truth

when you're right and when you're wrong. They have to hold you accountable. You have to hold yourself accountable. And it's a crazy space. And there are times you see something and you read something and you want to grab a mic and go out and out of your mind. But you have to take a step back. You have to take a pause and just say, you know, what's the bigger picture here? So how do we do we feel here?

How do I feel about what? How do you feel after the year you've had and where you were and where you are now? I feel extremely light. I feel light. I feel bright. I feel happy. I feel so grateful. I have gone through dark places in the last couple of years.

The darkest of places that I haven't even scratched the surface on publicly or out of podcast. And I threw those situations. and learning in depth about how I got to where I was and will never be there again. I've learned so much. I've grown so much. I got a master class in life in the last two years. And I've already seen in 2024 present day the way those lessons have allowed me to grow as an individual, has allowed me to grow as a businessman, as allowed to grow as an entrepreneur, as a boyfriend, as a son, as a best friend. And, like, I've learned so many lessons that people their whole life just go coasting by and they ignore the emotions and they ignore the hardships.

They ignore when they're in situations of just bad places. And as a result of ignoring it, they don't grow. And so I've grown so much in the last two years. But you're grounded. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. The biggest challenge in all that is differentiating.

children explain adults in form and when to protest and defend and when to take the high road. That's the biggest challenge, one I've battled with. And there are certain things that I'll let go and there are certain things I won't. We'll leave it at that. We'll see what the future holds. No, but I've never, I'm happier than I've ever been. I'm lighter than I've ever been. I feel so much more connected to who I am because I can do who I want.

and be who I want and act how I want because the people that are around me love when I'm just me and doing my best version of me and when those people are loving that, it brings out your happiest form of you. And maybe your happiest form might be people out there being like, I don't like it. What is this? Silly Goofy Jail, what is this thing?

But that's okay. They don't have to like it. You be you. If I'm going to be me and I feel like my most comfortable doing that and the safest to do it, I'm going to do it. That's right. A couple rapid fire questions, unless you have any last minute thoughts on the topic. Okay, good.

All right. So we went into influencing, we went into Bachelorette. A couple last things. We're going to wrap up here. What was it like meeting Andy Cohen? Oh, my boyfriend. Yeah? Yeah, I love him.

Did your expectations exceed what you thought? I was, it was one of my bucket list. And you know when you call him your boy, you know he's not into you, right? Just want to make sure you know that. Yes, I know that. Okay, got it. All right. People are asking you're saying you age like a fine wine.

What kind of tips do you have for people out there in the anti-aging process because you look unbelievable. Oh, you're so sweet. What do you got? You know what? I say time is the most important thing. Okay. Spend time with your family. Yeah.

Find people that bring you joy. And that's your anti-aging strategy? Yeah, that is my anti-agent strategy. And now I have insomnia due to my mother. She sometimes doesn't like to admit that. She finally has admitted that and seen a doctor. and now you try Trasidone and sleeping well. Oh, I love my life.

Good things. What's the worst financial mistake you made? When I was about 22 years old, I got into debt about... How? I would say about $3,000, which was a lot for me. And credit card debt? Yeah, credit card debt. Just living.

Yeah. I couldn't afford things that I bought. How'd you pay it off? When dad and I got engaged, we said we are going to pay off everything and we live to that we live every single month. We pay off everything we owe. Never had any debt. Yeah. After 22. And what's cool about your story is financially. It was tight back then. Very tight. You got married in 22. It was tight. Yeah. We didn't have much money. And look at you now. You're doing great. Best financial move you've ever made. Really just listening to my father taking his advice

and as it relates to managing investments. Yeah. And the financial stuff that's everything I learned was from him or started. Absolutely, yeah. And vice versa. And it was, again, an oral surgeon that became your financial advisor. And don't. Until the day he died. He was your financial advisor.

He was in bed dying. And he had this spiral notebook. And he's lying there. Dale, come over here. I want to talk to you. Buy Ford. That's when he said, buy Ford. I said, why am I buying Ford, Dad?

And he said, one day, electric cars are going to be big. Well, then I saw another week ago that they were delaying the electric cars. I'm like, how's that Ford stock doing now? But you still bought it. I did. I love it. Grant Bellany, we're still living your financial advice here in 20. But truthfully, you want to pay off your debt.

You don't want debt. Debt costs so much. One more question. How have I changed? since social media and reality TV. That's the best part. Yeah. You haven't.

You are exactly the person you were before, just maybe a little more depth. But you are grounded. You still have your same friends you had in high school and college, except you've grown. Yeah. You've grown. But I love the fact that you have two feet on the ground. You know, your ego has not gotten in the way. Last question I got for you.

A lot of people submitted this question. So I'm asking it. You think about one memory of me that's a favorite memory or one of your favorites. What comes to mind? When I would walk in the room when you were a baby and you would be standing up at the crib, always every morning with a big smile on your face. That's all like you've always been happy. You're always singing in the shower. You're always singing in the bathroom, whether it was 10, 20, or just now.

I heard you singing in the bathroom, and I just had a chuckle because that's you. You're just happy. Let's wrap up with a trading secret. It's one trading secret from you that the listeners can only get from your experience. You tell me, Mom, Dale Tarduk, Mama Kaluj, what is a trading secret you can leave us with? I would say that my biggest trading secret would be this. Everybody owns something that is extremely important and powerful, and that's your signature. When you are presented with a contract in front of you, whether it's from the doctor's office, the car dealership, the bank, read it.

Go very slowly, make that person behind the desk uncomfortable and sit there and read it because you're going to find that they are taking away freedom from you for the benefit of them. Yeah. Don't sign anything unless you feel 100% comfortable and you understand exactly what you're signing. Your signature is extremely powerful. That is a great trading secret and it connects to Haley Page. Oh, we got two. Haley Page will be coming on this podcast shortly. We can now say her name because she signed a contract when she was young that she didn't know

where she literally gave the rights away to her entire name. Talk about the power of a signature. Sounds like you have one more training secret. Call your mother. Call your mother. How often? Well, that's up to you. That's up to you. I just say call your mother. Everybody out there, don't text them. Don't write them.

Pick up the phone. Call your mother. Even if it's five minutes. And if you live close to your mother, see your mother. Mom, usually this is the time where I ask my guess, where can they find everything you have going on? But I know that you are private on social media. And you don't accept all your friends that put in requests. But where can people find you if they want to? I don't even know.

I think you're Dale Tardick, aka Kaluche or something? Yeah, aka Kluge. Yeah, we'll put her Instagram handle in the podcast notes here. Maybe if you have a question on her life, she'll answer. Mom, 200 episodes, tens of millions of downloads later. We're here. You did it. How do you feel?

I am proud of you. I love you to death. You just keep going. I love you too. Thank you for being here. You're the best mom. I am so fortunate and privilege in every way to call you my mother. Thank you, my love you to death.

Love you too. Thank you for coming on. Ding, ding, ding. That is the 200th time that we have done it, David. I know some episodes we have recap, son, we don't. You weren't on my brother's recap, but we explained why in the intro,

but for Dale Tardick, back to back with Stephen Tardick, episode 199 and now 200. Of course you've got to be on the recap. David Ardwin, how you feeling? What did you think about the episode so much to unpack? I mean, I'm just going to say episodes. It's nice to be the, let's call it the ribbon on the gift that was your brother and your mother, a little Tarduk family affair on the podcast.

Such a nice way to round out episode 200. So many thoughts, so many feelings. Absolutely love colloch. And before I get into it, can you just give the people at home, where did colloge come from? Calooch come from? What do you mean? Oh, Mama Kaluch. You know what?

There was this restaurant we always went to growing up. battalion place. It was called Mama Kaluchis. And I always used to say when we went there, I'm like, where is the actual Mama Kaluch? And there wasn't. There was none. So I said, Mom, here and out, you are now Mama Kaluci. And then all my friends have called her Kaluch from that day on. I think it's really important to put context because we love Kaluch. Kaluch is an absolute ride or die for not just you, but all of your friends. So we love Mama Kluch if you're listening. And Mama Kluge, you did great. Now, were you surprised, Jason? I don't know if you kept it in the edit or not, she was nervous.

She would probably talk to most nervous people that has ever sat in that hot seat with number one probably being cat stickler. So cat and your mom have something in common. Did that catch you off guard? Because she was, there was some silences that we haven't really heard on this pod before. David, the first like five to 10 minutes of this episode, I spent probably an hour trying to edit. And then I realized I was doing too much. So obviously people, when you heard the intro, you heard her talk about how nervous she

was, I put that all back in. But she was just really nervous. And then she got into her, you know, her groove. I think in general, she speaks with intention and with authenticity. And she wants to say what she means and she wants to mean what she says. So she thinks deeply about it. So the most editing I probably had to do is some of the spaces in between, but not actually taking stuff out. Now, I will tell you this. If you guys watch the YouTube, you're going to see always a less edited version because it's extremely hard to add out some of the pauses. and delays in video than it is in audio. So I will say that.

So make sure you go subscribe to the YouTube page, Jason Tardick. But yeah, I don't know, man. Katzdickler and Dale Tardick, definitely my two number one most numerous guests. But you could tell she still had the element of how she touched on hometowns. And I kind of loved how often have we ever got the parents take on what that hometowns is like. And I thought that that point of view is really cool. And just, I loved her approach. she said we want to be vanilla we don't want to cause any drama she didn't want anything about them she

wouldn't get into the exes um i loved that aspect of her and i feel like she brought an element of that to the podcast i feel like i feel like she was very intentional and careful with her words and and she wanted to give you the proper answers um without real with with giving the nice mother's touch on it um which i thought was was respectful and um and just such an interesting point of view my biggest question for you and this is my overall biggest take when we can kind of go from there. It made me think about my mom. And I'm wondering for you,

did you learn anything about your mom during this hour interview, whether a job that she did or a little bit of how she used to party back in the day or a little about her overall approach to parenting and support, like you said, supporting your children's passions? Was there any takeaways that you had? Because I just wonder how many people have ever gotten the opportunity to sit down and have this kind of candid,

no distraction, no phones and other people coming in the room conversation with their mom. That was my biggest takeaway. It hit me hard. Have you reflected on that and those answers at all? Have you learned anything? Did you learn anything about your mom during this interview? I would highly recommend everyone sits down and just puts the audio recording on their phone one day

and does something like this because not only did I learn a lot in what everyone just listened to in the last hour, but also in the preparation for this, I had to ask so many questions so that I knew things that you would think you knew. Like, what was your mom and dad like? What were the great grandparents like? When did they actually come to the United States? You know, what was the background of the success they had? What did life look like?

You don't think about your parents because, you know, I feel so fortunate for the parents I have and I know everyone doesn't have these circumstances, but you don't ever think about that your parents were children too and that they have so many traumas that have made them who they are. and so many deep-rooted things. She's slightly touched on it,

but some of the turmoil that happened in her household, I learned at much deeper levels of just how divorce impacted who she is and how that impacted where she wanted to go. So, David, the list is endless. I could spend the whole recap telling you all these different things that I learned. But I think the biggest thing that I'll tell anyone here is sit down with your parents or your grandparents if they're still here and do this because you have no idea

what you're going to learn and you'll have this shit forever you'll have it forever i just can't that's amazing and i remember being in a funeral in time with one of my good friends who lost his grandpa and i went over to him and all he said he's put his arm on my shoulder he goes just ask them ask them questions just every time you see him ask them to tell him a story um whether it's you know a sad story or heart-warning story or like calich said dancing in the discos dancing in the disco standing on the speakers i could just see it i could just see it back in the day in the 80s talking about no cell phones in the moment just hilarious i mean to to hear you know your brother's episode and then your mom come on and your mom talk about you know the parenting aspect i thought was really cool i

thought i'll hope this episode really resonates with listeners every listener at the end of the day has a mom has a dad whether they're with us or their past or everyone listening some people have kids i just really loved the part where she talked about um understanding and supporting your kids passions, um, talking, she was talking about your brother and how he was into magic. And they didn't try and force him into anything else. They actually supported that passion and the influences that he met and the mentors that he meant and the social circus that he gained and the experience that they wanted to take him to go see these things that ended up where he is. It was just, I don't think we've ever had the take on a podcast from someone that's so near and dear to talk about the really

important things. And that was really my, my greatest takeaway from this. Um, you know, she got into your best and your worst habits as well. And talked about kind of your road. I know a lot of people on this podcast have talked about wanting to hear more from you on your personal life. She kind of gave her perspective above that. My question to you now is,

from everything that she gave you, what do you think she may be sugar-coded in terms of, was it harder for her to get grips of you leaving your job to go on TV? Or was it harder for once you were off TV for them to really support this influencing of yours well a couple you hit on so many things there so I got to touch on a couple of them one the aspect of parents right we're all here

because in some capacity of course you know two people had sex and we were all born right and all of us listening to this kid can connect to different relationships we have with our parents some they have great relationships with both their parents some it's only one some listening to this their parents aren't involved in their life in any capacity. And so what I think was interesting is, you know, to hear from her perspective some of the issues that, you know, just through divorce and things that happen in her life, but how to, you know, kind of overcome those to still have your own independent relationship. And I think to anyone out there, irregardless of what your relationship is with your parents,

I think the big takeaway from my mom is we'll all experience some kind of trauma in some form from our parents, but you have control of what the future looks like. You have control of how you parent. You can learn from it and grow from it. And I think that's what she's done. I also think accountability is huge and self-awareness. You heard her talk about when my brother came out and she referred to the sadness that she experienced. But then she referred like, I felt sad for him. And she's like, no, that was my issue as a parent. I needed to do work. I experience happiness because he's happy. So you see self-accountability and awareness there. To your question, and I also really want to touch on

hometowns. I think, you know, Stephen Tardick could walk so Dale Tartick could run when it comes to hometowns. That clip my brother shared about him saying that it was, I think it was like, tastefully and delightfully fabricated. It was brilliant, and it gave my mom a forum to speak about it. Sugarcoding. You want to know where I think my mom

sugarcoded? I don't think it was about my career change. I'll be honest with you. I think she was actually, I think she went in harder than you would expect. She didn't talk about, which she kind of alluded to a little bit is the significance of financial gain and success that this world has created that that world could have never done and how it's changed my life for that. But that's not her type to get into that. I think where she sugar-coded is truly, I think, in the last year or two.

I don't think, I don't want to say, like, she doesn't have a fucking tongue at this point. Do you know what I'm saying? Like, if Dale Tartick is. Dale Tartick could write a book. It would be a good book. I think that is where she's sugarcoding, the impact of having a son and child in this space, dealing with all the different adversities and just seeing what it's like of what it was in private world

of having a breakup when I lived in Buffalo, New York, or having a hardship with my career or having a podcast in which I misspoke versus the platform today. That's where I think she's sugarcoded. Yeah, but that's, you know, for not just because she's colloge, but I think any of our mothers and those, like, they're mama bears, right? Their mama bears, they're going to protect their cub, you know, all the way from hometowns when she said, you know, she's, you know, protect your heart.

She's not that into you. I thought that was just, I was like cackling on the couch listening to that. And then at this point, too, like, at the end of the day, if you call a spade of Spade. If you look at our 100th episode to our 200th episode and you look at the year that you went through through that year and she said it's tornadoes into sunshine, you know, you spoke up too and you said you've had to like learn a lot about when to speak up and went to take the high road. And I've been through this journey with you and I know that that that high road, that's a really, really high road. It's getting really high up there because you've taken it

so many times. Actually, what my mom sugarcoat is exactly what you sugarcoat is exactly what you sugar code every day exactly exactly so um you know it was it was really cool for you know those those who love you and know you the best have seen it and how proud we are um to have of you and and what you've been through and um and like your mom said you're loyal to a fault and your your your love for us and support of us through our hard times and has been amazing and it truly for me like we're going to have amazing guests from episode 201 to 300. I know that. But this one was special. It was different. I hope our listeners who are loyal, they will love it because it's authentic to you and it's authentic to, you know, everything that we say on this podcast has takeaways that can

relate to their lives. And like we said, you know, this will be relatable to someone in some way another. So I thought she did a great job to have you and your, your mom and your brother on. Now, episode 300 is Gary. We just got to get Gary Bear on here and let her rip. So I thought she did a great job. And, you know, it was great. It was just great. It was a great lesson. The feedback for my brother's episode was big, was really big. And the feedback I expect from this one will be big too. And also the downloads were great for my brother's episodes. So that did well. I think, I think we're. We're on to something here, David.

I think we'll get Gary Tardick before episode 300, which will be exciting. We'll continue to stay true to what we're doing and how we're doing it on this show, but also make sure that we are interlocking and intermingling the very things that professionally, personally, and financially have made me, me, right? So I think that's something that'll be big. And I think one thing I've always learned in times of hardship when you want to react, it takes time but something my therapist has always told me the truth always surfaces one way or another the truth always surfaces so david you got anything else before

rewrap any other last minute thoughts no i just you know my birthday falls on a monday february 17th this year so maybe you'll put me in the hot seat maybe we'll grow me in the hot seat one of these episodes and uh and and and give me a spin in that chair and see how nervous i get so i don't know maybe just going to put that out there. I think we're going to have to do that. And what I'll ask the listener base here is we are reading your reviews. If you could go and give us five stars on Apple and then let us know. We will continue with the theme of this show. That's a promise. But what I want to know from you is, do you think we should have David in the hot seat? You guys let us know. A little shout out to some of these reviews. We just got one from Allie B. Stephen. Love, love this episode.

So many interesting things from Broadway to childhood to relationship. Loved it. Keep the people in my life episodes coming. This one was from one L. Manza. Not sure why, but it was my favorite. My beige flag is that I like to have a cleared cue. It was burdensome, but I learned to mark episodes. I have no interest in his play. This episode was Stephen Tardick. I have mild interest in, but has become my favorite episode of this pod. I freaking love board games. Game nights are our favorite activity, but man, the passion about Broadway was just super interesting. That is Heaven LRA. So keep giving us those five-star reviews. Let us know. if you want David Ardwin in the hot seat.

If so, we will put them there. And David, any last minute thoughts? No, it's good, just good to be back in the routine. Got my coaching voice going. It's a little, you know, it's a little horse right now. But we're back in the swing of things. And we're hitting the ground running. Episode 201 to 300.

The March continues. The March continues. David, thank you for being on this episode, recapping a very special one for me. Thank you for being there. Like I said in the podcast, at the times I needed you the most. And Dale Tartagalooch, Thank you for sharing your wisdom of what it was like for you as a child, as a mother, as a parent, as a wife, and all the things.

This one is one we certainly can't afford to miss. So, David, thank you for being here and thank you for tuning into another episode of Trade Secrets. Like I said, one hopefully you can work in this. that money, living the dream.