Trading Secrets - 213. Love is Blind’s Brittany Wisniewski and Leo Braudy: From engaged to good friends, the BTS of their evolving relationship, careers before reality TV, and manifesting each other’s perfect partner

Episode Date: December 16, 2024

This week, Jason is joined by Love is Blind season 7’s Brittany Wisniewski and Leo Braudy!  Leo and Brittany dive into how they were able to separate what was and where they are now, how they tossed out their notebooks during their time in the pods together, why it didn’t work out for them romantically, Brittany’s experience with energy healing, their biggest regret from the season, talking finances, and their careers before reality TV. Brittany and Leo also reveal what career shifts may happen post Love is Blind, the breakdown of the love triangle, the business model of buying art, the story behind Leo’s vintage Rolex, and manifesting each other's perfect partner.  Brittany and Leo reveal all that and so much more in another episode you can’t afford to miss!                                                     Host: Jason Tartick Co-Host: David Arduin Audio: John Gurney Guest: Leo Braudy and Brittany Wisniewski Stay connected with the Trading Secrets Podcast!  Instagram: @tradingsecretspodcast  Youtube: Trading Secrets Facebook: Join the Group All Access: Free 30-Day Trial  Trading Secrets Steals & Deals! Quince: Quince lets you treat your loved ones—and yourself—to everyday luxury at an affordable price.Gift luxury this holiday season without the luxury price tag. Go to Quince.com/tradingsecrets for 365-day returns, plus free shipping on your order! DraftKings: DraftKings is offering a warm welcome to new players with $100 INSTANTLY in casino credits with just a $10 wager. Plus, EVERYONE can get in on the action with a holiday reward every week! So, sign up with code “TRADINGSECRETS” because the holiday cheer is here! https://sportsbook.draftkings.com/  Indeed: If you need to hire, you need Indeed. Indeed is your matching and hiring platform, with over 350 Million global monthly visitors, according to Indeed data, and a matching engine that helps you find quality candidates FAST.  For a $75 sponsored job credit to get your jobs more visibility at Indeed.com/secrets

Brittany and Leo from Love is Blind Season 7. Thank you so much for being here on Trading Secrets. Thank you for having us. Stoke to be here. This is your first podcast. You guys are sitting down together. I feel honored. I know.

And in Miami of all places. In Miami of all places. The question is, How do you two feel? Because I feel like a lot of people are like, it's a wild dynamic that you could possibly go from, you know, getting married, which obviously wasn't the case. But then to like being cool and cordial. Like how does that dynamic work for you too?

And how do you manage it? So it's going really good. I don't, I can't explain why we're such good friends. I feel like it was a big into astrology. And I feel like we had a very carmatic relationship, but for the positive. Yeah. It's funny. We're not just cordial.

We're really good friends. Like, I think even more so than we let on in the reunion and all that stuff. We talk on the phone a ton. I mean, we're both really into affirmations and astrology and a lot of that kind of maybe woo-woo stuff. We pray together. Yeah, really. On almost daily basis. Actually, yeah.

Wait, actually. Yeah. Like you call each other and then pray? Literally. Yeah. Unbelievable. Yeah. So people are going to listen to this just be like, how?

Like, how you separate, you know, kind of. what was and still take such a positive mind freight for like still being cool with what is because that is almost it feels like it's impossible I could I could never do that with my that because I have so much emotion tied to it you know so I just I couldn't I would I wish them all the best but like it would be really hard for me to do what you guys are doing and doing it with such positive it's kind of it's empowering it's it's a little inspirational yes so like what's that trading secret how I think it's because of the length of our relationship. We were really, what, together, three, four weeks, you know?

And half of that was not physical. Yeah. Through all. So we built such a strong friendship that I feel like that was the core. Like that was the foundation. The foundation, yes. I think the thing, yeah, like, Brittany was always so easy to talk to. And one of the things in the pods was, I remember our first date, you know, we have all

these notebooks. And I'm a super meticulous type of a person taking notes on literally everybody. And I remember with Brittany's date, she's like, I'm so over these notebooks. And we just literally threw the notebooks to the floor. And for the first like three dates, we do it. And we didn't really remember any of the facts about each other. But I just remember being like, this is the easiest person to talk to in the world. Interesting. All right. That's fascinating. We're going to get into business talking kind of what you guys have done before and what you're doing later. But let's talk about this. I think the biggest difference between friendships and relationships is like the intimacy part, right? So is would you say, especially being through this experiment, chemistry and just like,

and just like the physical nature of the relationship is the determining factor in a relationship. And it's like a single guy, educate me based on somebody who's been behind the wall, in front of the wall. Things like, you know, obviously didn't work out but did work out. What's your take on that dynamic of a relationship, the physical part in the chemistry? for me, that is definitely a big. I mean, I think for everyone, that's a big factor that we didn't have too much of. Yeah. Yeah.

Yeah. And first of all, I'm a single guy too. So take anything that I say with a big rain of salt. Yeah. But, you know, one thing, like, despite I think the fact that the reveal looked a little more intense than maybe it was in real life. And we said, like, Britney never really felt uncomfortable with me. But it was very clear that I was way more attracted to Brittany than she was to me.

And one of the reasons we went. to Miami was because like we wanted to do this next phase of our own experience like it wasn't on camera so let's try and have recreate this off camera and Brittany had less of a physical attraction to me than I did to her and so we wanted to try that but that's not really the reason it didn't work out we realized very quickly that we just really were better as friends but that was also one part of it for sure yeah I mean I put up this story on Instagram and I told you guys, within an hour, we got over 100,000 views on this thing. A lot of people are interested in both of you, too, and your story.

But there were a ton of questions about Miami. People wanted to know, like, the ins and outs. What did you guys actually do? Was there some kind of connection? Did you find out there was none? Like, what more could you give us on Miami? Because I got to tell you of the hundreds and hundreds of responses, Miami was a big one. I'm not surprised.

My memory is not the greatest, Leo. I need you to. That's a good friend asking a good friend. Fred for help, Leo. Sure. Okay. Well, why don't you read one of the questions and let's take it from there? Okay.

I'm a little scared. So here's this one says, what happened in Miami? Did they hook up in Miami? This is from K. Tina Hanson. What did they do in Miami? Like, seriously, I want to play by play. I must know. Like, that's like a lot of them.

Money Mafia, chill out here. There was so much more to Miami than that. Like one that last, was it last night? that we were at the SLS? Yes. With the, with the martini? Yes.

Yeah. There was this big argument that we had about sharing drinks and it was so funny because it happened at this one bar, this one like spot in a bar where she actually had a martini and I took a sip of it

and she always really nice. Yeah, she got that. I mean, she didn't want me to turn it and I took a sip of it and then turned her thing and we found that same spot and I was like, well maybe we should take a photo there

and we're like bad energy. Let's not do that. I saw the TikTok you did about that. Yeah, yeah. That was pretty good. That was related TikTok. All right. So you guys are big on energy. And the number one question also people are going to ask, is there ever a future? I'm pretty happy right now. Okay. I think we're friends. I think we're

friends. Friends in a good place. Yeah. This is vastly. I feel like you guys should write a book together on how you can maintain friendship after a relationship. It's pretty special. Well, Bernie's already written a book. Yeah. So she'd be maybe this will be the next one. This will be the next one. It could be the next one. The next one's going to be all about energy healing affirmations. I'm currently writing but, you know, maybe in relationship next. Okay, with energy healing, and you're writing it right now, how much energy healing have you had to do through this process of reality TV, filming,

going through all this and where you are today? I went straight to see a shaman after love is blind. Yeah, and what did the shaman do for you? She just collected my little soul fragments that have slid off during hard times in my life. And I got to say I felt so different afterwards, like a completely different person. Interesting.

Have you found this experience and experiment to be a mental challenge? Has it been tough on your mental health? For sure. I think the hardest part was after filming and dealing with the abundance of hate. And I think that an average person would never be able to handle that. And if I wasn't so spiritually strong, I don't think I would have been able to handle it. To be honest. How has that impacted you, Leo?

Some of that pushback. Very similar. So, I mean, I'm Jewish. and I became actually way more religious after the show. Like I pray every day. There's a lot of sort of daily Jewish prayers that I started doing. I have a rabbi that I'm really close to, and that really helped me get through a lot of the hate.

And also, thank God that it's over largely. We got a little bit of redemption arc, and I know some of the people on the cast haven't, which I can only imagine that really sucks. Yeah. Do you think you'll go back into reality TV in any capacity? if offered? I don't know. I don't think so. How about you, Brittany? Yes, probably not a dating show. Okay. But I was fun. It was fun. Just, I don't know, just going on there, being yourself,

meeting a ton of new people. It's a good experience. And so for you, the reward of it outweighs some of the noise that you had to deal with. Yes. And I think I see everything as an opportunity for growth. So, I mean, I just feel so much stronger of a person after this. And I just feel like I stand. up for myself a thousand times more. And I think that another one would be challenging, but also rewarding if you play it right. Interesting. All right. And careers and life and personal situations, I think we could always kind of, you know, play Monday morning quarterback, look back and think about things we might have done differently that could have impacted us today. You talked about some of the noise that is out there. Leah, we'll start with you first. When you look at your journey through this

experiment, what would you say is your biggest regret from it? Sure. I mean, first of all, I guess I talked about money way more than I realized I did. And that was like super cringy looking back on. And then obviously the whole Hannah Brittany situation. I mean, I pressed it in the reunion. But like I try and block it out of my mind. But it was just a super low point. And it's awful just seeing you be like one of the worst versions of yourself.

And like if nobody else ever saw that, I would still be like mortified. Like I was the thing that really haunted me was thinking of like my. mom who's no longer here like if she had seen that she would have been like so disappointed yeah and so that was like that like haunted me and I actually before the reunion I was really on the fence if I should like I hadn't spoken to Hannah in a long time and I was like should I call her should I apologize and I did like if I didn't know because we hadn't spoken and I remember I actually called Garrett and I was like hey I'm having this conflict and I just start weeping on the phone I'm like sobbing uncontrollably and I'm like dude I don't know what to do should I apologize I don't want her to think it's like

like tactic and Garrett was like you seem like you're really sincerely sorry I'm like dude I feel horrible and so I called Hannah and I was like right after that call I'm like still crying I'm like I'm so sorry like I never addressed it and Hannah was like she totally forgave me she's like first of all I've been through like a million other things in my life since that like I'm over it but I appreciate that and then we actually just basically chatted shot the shit for like another hour and I felt like just very cleansed going into the reunion and because I just I didn't want any apology to her on the reunion to feel like performative. I wanted her to know like the real emotional apology was off camera. I didn't want her to think I was like saving it to get like saved crocodile tears like

or whatever the term is for the camera. So that was like the real apology. But that's the right. I think that's like in this world. If I see someone do something like let's say it's publicly, I'll always try and like contact them directly first. Okay, can we can we settle this dust before it becomes a complete windstorm? You know what I mean? So I think that's great. Obviously, I have a great relationship with Brittany, friendship. Do you have a friendship currently with Hannah? What's the status of that? I would say her and I are friendly.

We chat the phone once in a while. Yeah. I mean, Brittany and I are really good friends. I would say Hannah and I are friendly. That's great. Yeah. You're going to have to write a book on being the king of friendships after dating and breaking hearts. Unbelievable.

I don't know. I think I just got lucky. I don't know. Tell you what? Before I go to you, Brittany, the money aspect. I want to talk about it. You brought it up, the podcast is about money. I mean, money has the biggest stigma in the world, right?

Like people that talk about it instantly. It's so easy to take it out of context and create villain with it, right? My whole theory with this whole podcast, 200 episodes in, they're like, we don't have to villainize it. We don't have to put stigmas to it. It's healthy to talk about it. It's one of the most important resources in the world. It's important to have an opinion.

And it's better to just voice your opinion on where you stand with it, then not talk about it like every other human in the world. And then we know the statistics don't work out. 50% of couples don't talk about money. of the 50% that do, over half of them fight about it, it decreases intimacy, and 43% of married and cohabitating relationship they're stealing and lying through money

because we're not talking about it. So part of you, I see what you're saying because you probably got a lot of press for that or feedback for that, but also like you stepped into something that is hard to step into with the money conversations, what would you have done differently?

I think about that a lot because in one sense, I can't say I wouldn't have brought it up because it does feel relevant, but then, I don't know, Maybe I shouldn't have brought it up. I think you defined. Are you to, okay, so I liked this clip on TikTok.

Is this the clip when you say brought it up? Is this the one you're talking about? Let me play it and see if this is it. The bills. Would it be 50-50? I don't know if I believe in paying all of it. And I don't, but I also don't think I believe in splitting 50-50 if I'm like making more. But I do like the thought of both of us paying something because it feels like we're both invested.

I'm glad. Because the other guys were hard. 50-50 and I didn't realize like I don't agree with that okay but you were honest I do like nice things that's so brave to say grooming and nails and hair and my fucking workout classes and stuff are expensive and my last relationship I was taking care of while you're putting this 100% that person contacted me immediately one of the things that I am oh geez we got Taking care of me 100%. The insecure about is, does she want me because of my job and because of the money that

is so hard. I was very blessed to have. So that's what you're referring to? Yeah, yeah. Now, what in that conversation would you have done differently? And maybe I'll, Brittany, you just heard it. You're kind of laughing. Well, would you have done differently?

We were encouraged to talk about finances. You should. So I brought it up. I did not. He was not bragging. about it. It's something that came up. We had a... And you asked. Yeah, I asked. You opened the conversation. Yeah. I guess I honestly regret it because it looks so, it looks so awful, but I did. What looks awful? I don't know. I just, I feel like I came across as like a rich asshole that was like,

here's what I felt like it looked like. And I hope I didn't come across like this, but it seemed like I was almost saying, oh, I'm insecure and don't want to talk about my money as this weird, humble brag way of saying that I have money. But it's not what I was trying to do. I was trying to be super matter-of-fact about it. It sounds like here's what I'm hearing and tell me if this is right. The intention of wanting to say, hey, this is an insecurity of mine, right? I inherit a lot of money, yet I have wealth, and I'm a little insecure that someone

is going to be with me for that and not who I am. That intention is about as pure and real as it can get and honest. I think maybe it sounds like you would have. had a little different delivery, but the intention, it feels like that's a conversation you probably should have, right? Literally. Yeah. My family encourages me to have that. Like, one thing that my mom told me, gangster advice, by the way. Yeah, it's fair. My mom made more than my dad. My mom's side of the family has the art business. Okay. And so when they ended up splitting, actually, that it was the, that usually it's sort of the, the woman stereotypically has less money and it's taking from that. It was the

opposite. Gotcha. Yeah. And my mom said that, you know, one of the, the issues if you know you have significant assets you want to have a pre-up and many people wait a long time for a pre-up and then all of a sudden you're like way down the road and what if she's not okay with it and that's okay not to be okay with it so you should bring it up early there's no good way to bring it up but if it's going to be a red wall why wait until you're madly in love a year into dating or maybe engaged so i figured now that we have this really compressed timeline that was one thing that i like brought up with brittany i brought up with hannah because we got to that point So that was a big reason of bringing up the money.

Yeah, and I think that's healthy to proactively talk about it. And our take here, at least my take on preempts are everybody has a prenum. It's your state law. Do you want to customize it? Like, there's a pre-num in place. Do you want to customize it and make it for your situation? Did you guys get into, like, details of pre-numps, like specifics? What did that look like amongst you, too?

I don't think so. Because I don't remember. Actually, a little bit. What I said, it was very short was, any money that I inherited if we were to split that that would be for hopefully my future wife and our children so that you know wouldn't be fair and the other thing is because I have a business I wouldn't want 50% of my business taken largely because what happens is that situation is Brittany would then get 50% or anyone who would get 50% of the voting power in the business

that was a big issue actually with like a lot of things so really it was for me it would be any money that I would make after we were married like 50, whatever, like split, how it's fine. Just the business that I had for my family and the inheritance that was on. That was the main thing for me. For sure. Makes perfect sense. Brennan, what's your take?

So we played that clip back. You laughed a little bit, had fun with it. Is there anything like you would have done different or what was that reaction for? I mean, I said what I said. Yeah. And it was fine. It's just like, oh my gosh. As soon as I saw that first episode, I was like, I'm going to have to delete all my social media.

and fall off the face of the planet, but it's fine. But like, I mean, a lot of girls, that's how you loved it. Yeah, I was just to say, that's how you feel, speak, how you feel. Like, why put it, you know, people can judge if they agree with it or disagree with it, but why put a filter on something that you know you feel strongly about? Yeah. Talk to me about a lot of like money behaviors or thoughts are derived from childhood experience or maybe family upbringing.

Is there something that may have happened in just your childhood or things that you've seen in life that you want security financially with a partner? Thinking about my childhood, it was pretty normal. I was a very middle-class family. My parents were never very happy together. And, yeah, actually, wow, you might be right about this because my mom, she would try to divorce my dad. And I just saw where money would become important in a relationship, I think, early.

Like, you need to be financially stable enough to leave a relationship. Oh, so you felt like maybe something that you took is she was staying in the relationship because she wasn't financially independent on her own. Yes. And so for a baby as a child, you were saying, I need financial security. Yeah. And so that's something that comes forward. Yeah.

I have a very vivid memory of her being like, look, you know, if your dad and I divorced, we're going to have to live in an apartment. I'm like, I don't care, you know? Yeah, absolutely. But I never came to that because she did pass away. But, yeah, I think it was an early memory of just realizing how hard it would be to get out of a relationship if your finances weren't. Right. It's a real thing.

Yeah. It's a real thing. It's a really sad. Absolutely. Well, I'm glad that both you felt comfortable enough to talk about it because it's an important topic to talk about. And it's very scrutinized. So you step into it and it's like you can't. win in that conversation of money. It's just a hard one to do. Let's go back to careers,

what it looked like before the show. So, aesthetician, right? Okay. And so are you still on that career track? Are you maybe going to go in a different direction? What does your professional life look like today? I've had clients that I've known for like 13 years. And I feel like I'll always, you know, see those clients whenever I'm back in Maryland. It's not a passion of mine anymore. If I'm being honest, I'll always love skincare. But I've been doing it since I was literally 19. So I do feel quite over it and I've been taking off more and more and more. Yeah. Like the whole month of December, traveling all around. So I do see myself getting out of that quickly. Okay. You're going to make a move. Talk to us about this. We've never had anybody in skincare and esthetician on. Just give us an

idea. How are estheticians compensated? Do you get a percentage of the amount of work you're doing? Do you get like a percentage of products you sell? Like, how does it work the business model? I feel like it could go one of two ways. And there is either. They're a commission, so you can make a certain commission off of the facial or waxing or whatever you do, plus tip and then plus product commission, or you could just be on a baseline salary. Okay. What are commissions, like, would you say average commission at a place would be around?

40, 50%. Okay. That makes sense. And then on the products, what's the average commission around? Like 10%. 10%. Okay. Got it.

Yeah. And then what would you say if I googled right now, esthetician, average base salary, if they're not on commission, just base salary plus tips, what around is it? I think it depends on the state, to be honest. Okay. So, Maryland, I would say 60, 70. Okay. Yeah, that makes sense.

Cost of living adjustments. But you thought you're seeing something new then. You think there's going to be a new direction? What do you think it's going to be? If you had the crystal ball, you got your energy rolling, what does the career track look like for Brittany? Five years from now. What's the dream?

Okay. I would say definitely influencing and then just continuing to write books. Okay. And so I have a book all about health. I switch my passions quite often. Yeah. And I will obsessively learn about something and then feel like I've conquered that, write a book, and move on.

And I feel like I've conquered energy healing and spiritual stuff. So I feel like I need to write that book and then move on to who knows what. Okay. So who knows what? Maybe more reality TV. Get the book done. That's great. Relationship advice.

Relationship advice. One thing I did want to get your opinion on because we already talked about it, just your take on the Hannah situation and just like from your lens because we heard it from Leo's. I would say if I was in Hannah's position, I probably would have said a lot of the things she was saying and felt how she was feeling for sure. And don't get me wrong. I love Nick. Like I love all my castmates. But I mean, I was kind of blown away with the amount of hate that she's getting. It's unbelievable. And I do understand, you know, know there's ways in which you could say things may be nice or something, but I kind of have

her edginess as well. So for me, I'm like, rip it, rip it, say it. Yeah. Okay. And how about from Leo's perspective? During like the whole, the pod situation? Yeah. Okay, okay. Okay. You want to check it the clip? I'll hold off on that clip. I'll leave the room. I got it. We won't play it. I will say when I watched the episode where him and Hannah kind of break things off. I knew it was bad because Hannah off camera was like, oh my God, he's the worst. Yeah. Yeah. But I didn't know exactly what was said. I didn't know he was calling her her twin flame or else I first door would have left. I would have literally probably torn down the wall and killed him. I was like, I was a little mad. Are we over it? Oh, yeah. I don't think any

of us or twin blames. Yeah, that's true. That's true. But in the moment. I might have thought so, maybe I don't know. Sure. Yeah. So, yeah, I think if I had been a fly on the wall, I would not have gotten engaged.

Gotcha. For sure. All right. So she kind of told me, but I didn't have enough details to break things off because my feelings were so strong. When you watched it back, because it's always interesting in reality TV, what happens versus what you watched back. Were you surprised by it or were you like, oh, that kind of aligns with what I heard?

It did kind of align. It's just certain phrases and certain things that were said that I just didn't know about it all until I watched it. And what a tough, it's a tough position. It's a tough position. I'm forced to date all these women. It's a really, it feels like you can't win almost unless, I guess the only way to, is that you just focus on one person, and only one person. And I think a lot of the guys found their, a lot of the guys found their one person really early on. Yeah.

And I didn't. And so woe is me, I guess. But I, you know, and the worst is the more time that I wanted, the deeper I got with both. Yeah. And then, of course, it exploded. Yeah. Would you, knowing what you know now, would you go back on Love is Blind? Like, if you could go talk to Leo before he signed up, what would you tell him?

Would you say, do it or don't do it? I think I would still tell him to do it. Okay. Because I learned so much about myself. Yeah. I feel like I got like 10 lifetimes of humans. psychology dating psychology everything literally yeah and growth like right oh to get a lot of there's a lot of self-awareness that must be built when you're watching yourself back sure okay one thing i want to

talk about we already talked a little bit about it your career right we've heard stories and again in this question box there's a lot of leo no does leo always pay for does leo always pay for brittany and her friends even though they're friends what how much does leo make how much money does it have how much inheritance does leo i mean literally it's like all about leo and money. Well, the numbers I'm definitely not going to say. The numbers you're not sharing. What can you share with all these? Look at this one. What does his bank account look like? My followers are savage. Ask Leo if he's rich. Well, first of all, for the numbers, you'll have to ask my accountant.

Okay. I don't even know. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Until he bid on that banana. I said, oh. Did you, I have a question real quick. Wait, what did you say? What did you say? He bid on the- Remember the banana? Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah. I bid on that. Wait, no way. Yeah, I bit a million and a half on it. Oh, and would it sell for 6.3? 6.2, yeah. So, we're going to go back to your money situation in a second.

But suppose you win that bid, one point, what was it, one point what? Our Boswell, it was low. It was 1.3, but with the buyer's premium, it would have been a little over a million and a half. Buyers premium is what you have to pay if you actually win the bid? So, yeah. So if you win the bid, you then pay like 20% on top of it. And that's what the auction house takes. That's what, like, the people that sell the man.

That's what they get. And then the person who own the banana gets the 1.3. Okay, so what is the strategy? We're coming back to Leo and his business. But why do you bid $1.3 million on a banana? What do you think? Like, you're like, I can get a return. Talk to me.

So for me, I'm a dealer, right. So that particular artwork sold five years ago here at Miami Art Basel in 2019 to a gallery called Petroteen Gallery. They sold three editions for $120,000. And it made very local art news headlines because it was like banana taped wall goes for 120K, which is still pretty crazy. By the way, this is a very well-known artist, the guy that made the banana. Okay.

So he's got massive credibility. He's huge credibility. It was in major museums. So this makes news. Anything that makes news is going to have value. Same in any collectible item. Then when I learned that Sotheby's was putting it up for auction, I figured this is like a piece of art history.

The amount of press this is generating, I have clients that, you know, buy certain works. I felt that I could get this and in a few years sell it to someone else for like four or five. But then for me, my top was two. And when the bids got above two, I was like, because it goes really fast in the room. It's like, 1.1.1.1.2, 1.2. So I bid 1.3. And then in like 10 seconds, it was at like 2.5.

And then I was like, there's better things I could do with my money, better pieces of art that I could buy or various investments that would make a better return. So that's why I stopped. And then some Chinese crypto billionaire who has more money than God and way deeper pockets, but he probably would have bought it for $62 million. Honestly, I think it was all claim money to him. It was all immediate play.

Quick, I'm going to go quick 201 business question. So we're going to go a little deeper. When you buy, suppose you did win that, 1.3 million. Do you have a line of credit that you work off there? do you only do cash like the business model of buying art do you have like a working capital line of credit do you use that to flip and sell for this piece no this would have been all all personal money sometimes i go into a consortium with other dealers where a group of dealers will go in like

different percentages on a piece got that's that oftentimes happens for very expensive like when you hear someone when someone buys a piece for like like these crazy ones like 50 million dollar like really one they'll be like there can be five times even a dozen dealers that go in together so sometimes i'll be in with that. I typically don't do credit, though. I've honestly considered it. It can be a little tricky with art. There's so many layers to this. Because in terms of getting credit, you can either take it from a bank, which can be difficult, or you can take, so Sotheby's, the auction house that sold the banana. It has something called Sotheby's Financial Services, where they give you art-backed lines of credit. Okay. And you can get art-backed loans for banks, but it's only for very well-known

pieces of art. Like if you have a Picasso, everyone knows Picasso. So a bank has an art appraiser that can give you a line of credit based on the asset value of that piece. But for something that's a little bit less known, like a lesser known artist, Sotheby's has all these art experts in the auction house. So they'll give you a line of credit. It's worse terms than a bank. Like it's like might even be, I forget what I would say it's like 7%. Maybe I'm wrong. Don't quote me on that. Yeah. But a lot of people will do that. So they'll put up art. Also with a lot of these works, there's guarantees. Like so that ban was I think guaranteed to sell for like a million no matter what. Wow. So they had like a third party buyer. Yeah. Yeah. So there's like so many layers to all

this, but yeah, that's unbelievable. All right, that's interesting to learn back. You got a little detour there from the tough question. We know the account's not in the room. A lot of people also, by the way, comment on your Rolexes. There's a lot of watch talk. Yeah, a lot of watch talk here. So what can you share? I got one on too, by the way. You're not alone. Okay, we're in this together. Cheers, I guess. Screw the Rolex haters. You can actually buy them and then flip them for more. That's an investment. Okay, keep going. That is absolutely true. There's actually great Instagram accounts of people doing that. Totally. So, okay, all of the Rolex talk. A lot of Rolex talk out here. I know, but it was all in the context of family. And this Rolex is an incredibly personal family heirloom. And it's funny because a lot of people on, like, there's like watch nerd forums. They're like, that's not even that nice about Rolex. I'm like, yeah, that's totally true. Like in terms of Rolexes, they go up like way.

This is a vintage one, which is like not as like nice. I mean, obviously all these watches are expensive. But this watch was my great grandfathers. And it's kind of an insane story, to be honest. What's great? Real quick. So he was born in America in the early 1900s, family moved over to Hungary. World War I breaks out.

Dad gets shot in the head. Mom kicks him out of the house. We think he might have been a bastard chop, makes his way to Germany to England. Rich uncle sends his voyage. He comes from England back to America. He's living with a rich uncle, butlers and servants, has a crazy gambling problem, pisses all the money away one night. He's back out, like, not on the street, but in like a crappy apartment.

At this point, he's in like eighth grade drops out of middle school. Eighth grade. Dude, you got some lineage, man. This is like from like the mud. He becomes an upholster, which he did for the rest of his life. fixing furniture when he was 18 years old he found that his mom maybe his mom was back in the states in New York so he goes up to her house and he knocks on the door he's like mom I'm home like like it's me like and she slams the door in his face that I'm ever telling him and it was so

traumatizing he never told his daughter my grandma his origin story until he was on his deathbed and he told her once and this Rolex my grandparents when they made money in the art business because he was dirt poor they were born dirt poor and when they made money this was like the we made it and the inscription on the back is how happy 85th birthday, love Ethel and Arthur, which are my grandparents. Wow. And this is like, he wore this and he would literally hammer like a pulcher. He was like a work till the day he die kind of guy.

And so he had his like beat up roll, actually like stick it in nails. And so it's like incredibly sentimental. And I keep this with the hammer that I got from my bar mitzvah. I guess some of that got lost in the sauce. And I get it. It's a flashy like thing. But to me, this thing could be like, I don't like really. It's invaluable.

It's invaluable. Like literally you could, I will never like this role. Go with me. The Rolex. Just go to my children and let people chirp all day long. That is going to be passed on. All right. How about this?

Can you tell me this with the art business? Sure. Can you talk it all about like maybe a revenue, a top line revenue? A goal? A goal revenue wise? Can you give me any number at all? Okay. Okay.

Brittany's like, wow, I'm interested. Tell me more. He's like, I'm just listening to this podcast at this point. Okay. I'll say this about the art business. Okay. I will give you some very vague numbers to satisfy the listeners here. So first off, the art is very volatile.

And at the end of the day, it's luxury sales. And you can sell one painting for a crazy amount of money. And that can be like almost a majority of your revenue for the year. It's kind of like people that sell commercial real estate. So you can make a ton. You can make way less. I will say that my revenue can generate from sometimes high six figures. It can be seven figures.

I'm not at like there's some dealers that make like clear like a billion dollars a year like I'm obviously not that yeah those people are like flying in private jets all over the world so I'm definitely not at that level but it fluctuates a ton it fluctuates a ton it a tonne it's a toni you ever did on a piece of art bought it sold it like how much I made on it yeah like the best deal like your marquee your your Emmy Award winning your Tony Award for your art deal oh I'm trying to think of Bernie's like I should have asked these in the pod that that was that I had no idea what art dealing was. Give me one Tony Award winning. I can't speak of the piece because it's like, because of like confidential. I got you. I'll just say it was a seven-figure deal. Seven-figure deal. Of profitability?

Yeah. Damn, dude. I can't get into art business. Cindy, should we get in our business? Let's go. I'm like one. Two. Wait, it's like a three, four, five.

Did you get it? Seven. Brittany's like, you know what? Maybe we can make this work. I'm totally kidding. I'm totally kidding. I'm totally. kidding well thank you for sharing all that and we asked i asked brittany but crystal ball where do you see

five years where is it going to be you're going to stay in this this space of you know media marketing you're going to stay in art what's the dream i would love to stay in art i mean i did not expect but the thing is here's what's funny i didn't expect like this art dealer thing to become a meme like brine i didn't talk about it right like no no like i really didn't talk about it i didn't know he was an art dealer until like date war wow interesting i actually don't like talking about it because in dc if you mention it like I get it it's like a job that people want to know more about sure so they're like it's a sexy title it sounds for yeah it's way less sexy than it sounds it's not like yeah yeah yeah sounds it's not nearly as cool as it sounds yeah but people are like oh my aunt's an artist or this

like sometimes I get in conversations or it's like like take her number so I usually just say like I'll say like I'm a consultant for Deloitte like I'll just lie but anyways now that I got memed as this art dealer everybody now knows that I'm an art dealer yeah so I've been kind of having fun making art content because I've noticed a lot of people have questions like why did the banana sell for so much money like what the hell is going on why why is the slash and the campus going for a million dollars and I'm not trying to defend it or to say that it's all the scam I'm here to I think there's some I feel that I could explain it to people I feel like you should probably defend and explain exactly right like I mean it's your business it's my business

yeah it's your business interesting so maybe there will be a future of that with like maybe making art I'd love to make I'd love to explain art to more people and maybe there's also like business. It's kind of like become a little mini passion project of mine. Okay. Leo, the art explainer, educator, and defender. I see that happening. All right, Brittany, let's do this. What would you say, if you could say, like, you know, there's different podcasts out there. There's media outlets. There's people that are, like, that are trolls. You already talked about. Like, what's the one biggest misconception that you would say to them? I would say that I don't, I don't think I would ever marry for just money and just do nothing. I am always doing something. I am always doing

something. So I get paid this a lot, you know, like, oh, she just wants to be pretty and do nothing. I'm literally always doing something. I'm picking up trash. I picked up like 12,000 pounds of trash. I always have passion projects. I'm writing a book. Like, I'm not going to make any money from this book, but I love it. I'm always. When you said picking up trash at first, I was like, where do you go at this? Are you picked up 12,000 pounds of track? Wow. And then people are like, go, you know, I talked about that for in the pods, but it was shown for a split second. And so then when people saw me on social media, they're like, oh, my God, why didn't you talk about this? And, like, I did.

But, like, it was like two seconds. Yeah, you can't control what's shown. So, yeah, I'm just a very compassionate person. I'm like, I'm like, I'm an activist spirit. I like it. You're putting a box, and that's not a box you live in is what I'm here, too. No, not at all. Yeah, and that's not who you are at the core.

I like it. Okay, what would you say, Leo? God, I was thinking, well, what to say when you were saying that. maybe this was has been shown a little more on social media but i just i think i'm like a really goofy guy and brittany you can attest yeah i didn't know that i didn't see that side of him till after till after really yeah okay i'm like a some like a never serious sometimes type guy yeah and i think in the positive seemed like so intense all the time and like freaking out all the time but i like to think in real life i laugh at myself a lot which hopefully came across yeah for sure

Okay, I like that. Awesome. Well, guys, I could talk to you for another hour, but we're running out of studio time. So we might have to do a part two at some point. But for now, I got to wrap up with your trading secret. So it's specific to either something you've learned in your professional life, your personal life, or financial life. But it's special to you in your journey. No, you know, professor or TikTok tutorial or YouTube tutorial could recreate it. It's just something that's meaningful to you.

Who wants to go first? I actually know exactly what I'm going to say. Love it. All right. It comes from my mom, and it's the wisest thing anyone. has ever told me. So I was between a very difficult decision of choosing where to go to college, and I was incredibly, incredibly indecisive. I guess indecision is a theme of my life. But my, my mom sent me an email actually funny enough. And basically what she said is

there is an irony in life that you oftentimes have the least amount of time for the most important decisions. For example, buying a pair of pants. you can spend weeks thinking about it buy it return it but buying a house there might be a couple coming in 30 minutes after you got to close or same goes with buying a car same goes in our relationship there's always that moment when it's like you're going up or you're going down like you know like are you going to take things seriously or thing and that there is that you know you have to go with your gut and i think that you have to basically always be prepared to to make like those types decision that everybody has a right to follow their own destiny even no matter like it's kind of like

even no matter how big or how much magnitude that decision has you got to be prepared to make it i like that and i'll give you one more yeah let's get two from leo double dip also for my mom she was so smart is you should calculate very specifically what your time is worth like you should how much you make if you have a job and it i love this trading secret yeah and this is really good and if it if you make $20 an hour yeah okay $20 an hour and then when you're thinking you're thinking you're thinking of what to do. Like, for example, if you order something off of Amazon and it's $3 and it's going to take you like an hour to put it in and to return it or whatever, that is not literally worth your time because in theory, you could work another hour. It's not that it always shakes

out like that that it's that easy, but when you factor that you realize that you have way more time than you have. And most people's time at no matter what level, this was true even of my grandparents when they came from literally nothing is worth more than you think. financially. I think it's a really good one, especially for people that spread themselves too thin. Yes. Like you put a dollar to your hour. And then when you say yes to everything, you start to rethink, like if you're like, okay, wait, that's going to be five hours. That dollar amounts. That, I don't know if that makes sense. That's a really cool trading secret. I like it. I'm glad you did a double dip, Leo. Thanks. All right, Brittany, you got to come in strong. You got to finish

a strong. It's been a great podcast. Poor Leo, I call him with all my problems and he gives me the sage advice. Okay. Yeah. You found me through some tough time. Is that your trading secret. Yeah, call Leo. I will give you a number for a prey. Call Leo, call Leo and pray together. That could be a new career. A new career.

Call Leo. What would you charge for it? There might be some buyers out there. Probably, hmm. I want to say low, $100. But Leo will double my worth. Sounds like his time per hour is more than $100. It sounds like.

You think you're like, would you ever set Leo up with someone? Yeah. Like, you play matchmaker? Yeah, I tried to. This could be a show. Like, you go out there, do some matchmaking, and then you have to meet with them first. Oh, that's a great. And then, like, after, like, their first kiss, you separate and be like, what'd you think?

Was there a connection? Da-da-da-da-da. Because, I mean, your friendship's so strong. It sounds like you would understand. You would see it. Yeah. Leo and I actually, when we pray, we manifest each other's perfect partners. Wow.

And I nailed her to the detail. What, let's manifest his right now. Let's hear it. Okay. Ooh. I'm bad of being put on the spot. Okay. I got to close my eyes and focus.

Okay. She is obviously very beautiful, Jewish. I'm picturing dark hair, dark eyes, successful in her own, has her own life. Because he is very busy and I feel like you just need to be doing your own thing. You can't be too needy to be with that my feel. Someone who likes arts, like going out in New York City. working, chit-chatting. You know what's one you've always said, which is so funny, is loves going grocery shopping.

Yes, I do. He loves going grocery shopping. I'll go, I'll walk through every aisle. I just had the apartment guy on and he said that his new dating strategy, instead of like going on fancy dates and trying to like splurge is like, I'm just going to take him grocery shopping. I'll buy their groceries. I'll get to learn what they like.

I'll get to learn what they buy all this. I was like, interesting. That's interesting. Okay. I don't cloak. They'd be like. Do you want to leave us with another trading secret? Is it just call Leo?

No, no, no, no. I have my own. Okay. Let's get it. Okay. Something that I always fall back to is I see the world as a school. And in spirituality, I mean, this is just my personal belief. So I just don't see the end. Like, if I'm going through something very difficult, I don't have this like, oh my gosh, like this is the worst thing ever. I'm like, what's the, what is the learning lesson here? And how can I learn it and move on to the next chapter and graduate this and then move on to the better, higher, greater chapter of my life? That's great. I mean, it's like if you think about like grade K through 12 and so on, right?

You think about like every chapter you go through something, you've learned something, and then it's in the past. Yeah. Our soul is always evolving. It's always growing. We're going to ring, well, maybe, I don't know if you believe, but reincarnating into a different version and learn a whole new lesson in that lifetime. Wow. Do you think you've lived? How many lives you think you've lived? Not too many. Okay, just a few. At least 10. At least 10. All right. This was a fascinating episode of Trayek Secrets. We hit personal, professional, financial, love, friendships, manifesting, spirituality, all the things.

This has been phenomenal. Brittany, we'll start with you. Where can everyone find you and everything you have going on? All my social handles are Brittany and with Muske. Okay, go follow Brittany. Can people, like, do you, can people book as a addition work with you right now? Are you trying to get out of it? Okay, you're trying to get out of her.

I'm trying to go to work in the whole month of December. Okay, I was trying to promote the business. business after the commission. I appreciate it. I got you. Leo, where can everyone find everything you have going on? Leo underscore Brody, B-R-A-U-D-Y. Cool. And where can they find anything about your artwork? Is there a website or? Yeah, my website's on my Instagram. So I guess if you happen to be in the market, or if you just have a question about art, I'm always kind of enjoying making these videos. If there's anything you want to know, maybe I'll make a video on it. So just, I don't comment on it on a post or DM me or email me at my business email. It's up there.

And if you're Listerine, he would like a brand deal on. Listerine. No money involved, just Listerine strips. Do you have like a bad breath thing or no? No, he does not. I will say that. So let me not start a rumor. I always. You have great breath because of Listerine strips.

Oh, but you just always have them on you. Always. If you see one in the street and it's empty, like call the police. No. I've been picking up after you. Yeah. That's all the trash you've been. Little microplastic Listerine strips.

Fun fact, in The Bachelor, you are, you have like three of those at all times on you. Like everyone does because, you know, there's a lot of kids. missing. So you can't have bad breath. So it's always before you go into a scene before you go anything. Listerine strips. Listerine strips. So there you go. Listerine if you're listening, you got someone who deserves a sponsorship. Well, thank you guys so much for being on this episode of Trading Secrets. It was a fun one. And good luck with all your continued success. We'll have to have you on for a part two one of these days for sure. Thank you. Money, pay on me, making that money, living that dream.