Trading Secrets - 214. Lindsay Hubbard: From working in PR to lead cast member of Bravo’s Summer House, the BTS of reality TV, social media influencing, secrets to negotiating, and more!

Episode Date: December 23, 2024

This week, Jason is joined by entrepreneur, social media influencer, former public relations professional, and current reality TV personality on Bravo’s Summer House, Lindsay Hubbard!  Lindsay joined the cast of Summer House when it debuted in 2017 and is one of the four main cast members who has been on every episode of the show, which follows a group of friends who share a house in the Hamptons throughout the summer. After nine seasons of the show with a total of 177 episodes later, Lindsay has solidified her leading role on the hit show. From that, she’s been able to leverage her platform into other lucrative career opportunities, including a new real estate endeavor in Nashville, TN. Lindsay dives into what Summer House has done for her career and finances, the behind-the-scenes of public relation firms, owning her own PR firm with hospitality and lifestyle brand clients, making enough money on season one to pay off her student loans, how Summer House differentiates from other reality shows, her growth in social media influencing, monetizing her pregnancy announcement, and her advice when negotiating. Lindsay also reveals the need to be more open about your life on reality TV, and preparing for the arrival of her daughter.  Lindsay reveals all that and so much more in another episode you can’t afford to miss!                                                     Host: Jason Tartick Co-Host: David Arduin Audio: John Gurney Guest: Lindsay Hubbard Stay connected with the Trading Secrets Podcast!  Instagram: @tradingsecretspodcast  Youtube: Trading Secrets Facebook: Join the Group All Access: Free 30-Day Trial  Trading Secrets Steals & Deals! Trade:  From light and bright to dark and bold, Trade’s personalized coffee subscriptions deliver incredible coffee directly from roasters to your loved one’s door. Ready to cross that last gift off your list? Trade is offering their best savings of the year on gift subscriptions right now, so head to drinktrade.com/tradingsecrets to send a personalized coffee subscription in minutes. DraftKings: DraftKings is offering a warm welcome to new players with $100 INSTANTLY in casino credits with just a $10 wager. Plus, EVERYONE can get in on the action with a holiday reward every week! So, sign up with code “TRADINGSECRETS” because the holiday cheer is here! https://sportsbook.draftkings.com/  MasterClass: MasterClass is the only streaming platform where you can learn and grow with over 200+ of the world's best–that’s why Wirecutter calls it “an invaluable gift.” MasterClass always has great offers during the holidays, sometimes up to as much as 50% off. Head over to masterclass.com/SECRETS for the current offer. Fabric by Gerber Life: Fabric by Gerber Life was designed by parents, for parents, to make it easy to plan for and manage your family’s financial path. With a kids investment account from Fabric, you can start investing in your child’s future today. Start investing in your child today at meetfabric.com/TRADINGSECRETS

Welcome back to another episode of Trading Secrets. I'm your host, Jason Tartick, and welcome to the pre-market trading segment where I'm going to tell you a little bit about what you can expect from today's guest, a quick little update in the market, and something going on in my personal life. well if you have it make sure you subscribe to the podcast go follow us on youtube follow us on instagram you can watch the full episode on youtube which is always fun and make sure to give us five stars all your feedback is reviewed by our team and myself so please give us any type of feedback or a guest you want or a theme you want us to cover let me tell you we have some

stacked episodes lined up and speaking of stacked episodes this is one that fits that bill Lindsay Hubbard from Summerhouse who just congratulations, Lindsay, if you are listening and if you are here, make sure to go follow Lindsay. I just had a baby girl, Gemma, Britt. So a huge congratulations to Lindsay. In this episode, she was still pregnant. We recorded this, of course, before she had her baby girl, Gemma Britt. But we are so happy for you, Lindsay. Congratulations. And I am so excited for all the Money Mafia to be listening to this episode. because you're going to hear in the recap. David is back and we are talking for 20 minutes. But, you know, the way that Lindsay holds a conversation, the way she articulates her thoughts, the way she speaks with power and has this presence that it doesn't care what you think. You're going to get the truth. You're going to get what she's thinking, whether it's business, it's financial, it's personal, it's professional, whatever it is, you never have to wonder where you stand with Lindsay. And that is definitely one of her superpowers and definitely. a trading secret I'm going to take is, you know, there's some people in this world,

there's some people that come in this podcast that when they speak, you listen, right? You listen. You don't have to like it. You don't have to love it. You don't have to agree with it, but you listen. And so you're going to hear that with Lindsay. And I think there's going to be a lot of trading secrets in this episode from real estate to, you know, summer house trading secrets and everything in between. But that's, that was probably my big takeaway, truly. And there's a lot of them. And make sure, again, you stay tuned to the recap. Now, a little update in the market. There was a little movement in the market here because there's some economic data out there that was a little questionable. Corporate earnings was heard a little bit. And we're also seeing

as interest rates come down, inflation's going up. And so is unemployment. So we're in a fickle position of like, what do we do with interest rates and what's economic data going to continue to look like? We'll see what it looks like. You know, right now the market did bounce back after that. You know, everything's trading for the most part of all-time highs. So we'll see. It'll be such an interesting couple of years to see how things pan out with so many different moving economic policies. And we'll just pay very close attention to the indicators, the numbers that come in, and make sure to inform you. But as always, make sure you're getting your money to work. If you have expensive debt, pay it off. And if you're sitting on cash, get it to work.

because people are making 5% on cash these days, and in the market, they are making a whole lot of money with returns. And so if you're not making money on your money, you will fall behind with inflation. Some statistics out there that I think you might find interesting. Some New Year's financial resolutions. 56% of Americans say inflation is their biggest financial concern for 2025. Two and three people say that 2025 will be better for their wallet than 2024.

52% of Americans are planning to make finance-related New Year's resolution. $41% of people making a financial resolution say that they want to save more money, while 21% want to make sure they're spending less and 20% are really focused on just making more money. 62% of Americans think that the New Year's resolutions add just too much pressure. So they're not even getting involved with it. In 69% of people think it will be harder to keep their New Year's resolutions in 2025 than in 2024, which is interesting to me. I wonder why.

Go and give us $5.6.5. five stars on the reviews and let us know what your New Year's resolution is. And make sure you also submit your questions for the Jason Tells All episode because that's coming up. And I know David is very, very excited for that episode. A little update for my personal life. Last week, I was in Tampa Bay. I had, if you haven't listened to the Dr. Omar episode, go listen to it. Like if you're curious, what invisaline should cost, what braces should cost, what a cavity should cost, what veneers should cost, anything about the dental industry, you'll learn that there's a lot of pricing disparity. And Dr. Omar will tell you everything about that in the episode we did.

But I had one issue with one of my crowns, and it wasn't sealed properly. So I had to go to Tampa. He took it off. We did a new crown, got it back in action. And honestly, had a great week while I was there. The weather was beautiful, got a lot of great workouts in, good dinners with friends, and it was fun to be there. And now I'm back in Charlotte for the holiday. Mom's here, here, of course, my brother, Billy, and myself. And yeah, I'm just excited to kind of kick it for a little bit. A lot more work to do. But I'm going to really kind of slow roll it in. It has been a crazy, crazy year. You'll hear me talk a little bit about in the recap this episode. So definitely stay tuned to that. It's been an extremely successful year as far as business goes.

and it's also been very unsuccessful in certain personal matters, but in general, just a massive, massive, massive growth year. And at times I look at back at this year, I'm like, man, this year felt like 10 years. Like in dog years I talk about the recap, it's like seven. I feel like this was one of those. This was a dog year. A couple quotes that I saw this week I really liked. This year I met the most broken version of myself, but also the strongest.

If you're sitting at a table of people judging others, you're likely next in line when you walk away from the table. If you protect your energy properly, it will lead you to places, people, and things you never thought were possible. Protect that shit. Enough of my quotes. Enough of my personal updates, financial tips. Let's get into the reason you're here, the episode with the one and only, Lindsay Hubbard.

Welcome back to another episode of Trading Secrets. Today, we are joined by entrepreneur, social media influencer, former. public relations professional and current reality TV personality on Bravo's Summerhouse Lindsay Hubbard. Lindsay joined the cast of Summerhouse when it debuted back in 2017 and is one of the four main cast members who has been on every episode of the show, which follows a group of friends who share a house in the Hamptons throughout the summer. After eight season, a ninth that just filmed this summer in 117 episodes later, Lindsay has solidified her leading role on the hit reality show. From that, She's been able to leverage her platform into other lucrative career opportunities,

including a new real estate endeavor here in Nashville, Tennessee. We are going to touch on all things, Summer House, how filming season nine was after ending her engagement with Carl and how she's getting ready for her new baby, how will impact her career, how she's even preparing for it financially, all the trading secrets. Lindsay, thank you so much for being on the show. We have a lot to talk about. We have a lot to talk about, and we are doing it in a short period of time. You sure are.

Because you got a wedding to go to. Are you a bridesmaid? I'm not a bridesmaid, which I'm happy about, you know, less responsibility. But it is one of my really good girlfriends, and I was very happy she chose Nashville. Yeah, I love it. I love it. Country music hall fame. You know what?

This is a whole sidebar here. But it is, we talk about money on the show. The cost of like being in a wedding or being a bridesmaid these days, it's gotten these bachelors, rep parties, five grand. No, it's a lot. People are spending money like crazy. No, it's crazy. And the new trend is to get, you know, destination weddings. Yeah.

Is like nobody, I, this is my sixth wedding this year. Wow. And I think it's my last for a little while. Okay. So, but yes, six weddings and one year, all destination. None of them were in New York. I'll tell you what. You're going to have to keep these episodes, the deals with you need more Nashville,

North National Real Estate. One last question I got on this wedding. I always talk about this. I don't know, like what, what is the, barometer for a gift these days? Like, what are you giving as a gift? I know. You know what? I have this conversation a lot. A lot of people don't really do these traditional registries and you can just donate to their honeymoon or honey fund or whatever it's called or just write them a check or Venmo. It's like it's more of cash registries these days as opposed to like actual gifts. Like no longer

are we gifting the bride pots and pans so that they can cook in the kitchen all day, every day for But I don't know. I think if it is an overseas destination wedding, like your presence is enough. You're spending enough money, like thousands of dollars to attend that wedding. So I don't really know. The barometer, it's, there's a range. Okay. You're going, are you going with your boyfriend? I am going with my boyfriend. So you're going with a couple. You go to this wedding. Each couple on average and then we're moving right in. Okay. I'm going to. What do you think the average dollar amount on this wedding people are? I would say depending on how close you are. Yeah. Right. If you're not super close, and I would say maybe like $250, $250 as like a cash check

donation registry, honeymoon, whatever. So I would say the lowest $250 and then if you're really close, maybe $500. Okay. All right. There we go. Is that fair? That's fair. A $250. I don't know. What do you do? Am I off? No, I think you're right on. I also think the area matters. as weird as it is, like I know New York City weddings, like I talk to people what they're going to give and it's like, it's a lot. Right. It's a lot. Then you go to weddings like where I grew in Buffalo and it's like nothing. It's like I think it depends on the location too. Totally. Yeah. Like I went to a Portugal wedding. I went to a wedding in Italy. I went to a wedding in Mexico. Yeah. You know, those weddings, I'm not, I'm sorry, you're just lucky that I'm here. I love it.

Lindsay Hubbard is gracing her with your presence and she's doing that on this show here right now. all right we saw a quote from you future summer house i would be on summer house until i was a hundred you started back that was a quote from you you started back at 2017 the seasons i think for you you've had this like wild roller coaster of the best seasons the worst seasons the best seasons after looking at your time on this over a hundred episodes what is your take on what it's done for your career and finances oh i mean it's kind of wild right because we didn't really know where this show was going to go at all. To be honest with you,

like it started with mine and Kyle's group of friends. You know, the casting directors, the producers, the executive producers, the creators, they found our group. And we were already doing this lifestyle, going to the Hamptons,

sharing a house together. Kyle and I had met, you know, two years prior to when we started filming, I met him at his house in the Hamptons in Montauk on Memorial. day weekend in 2014. So it was a lifestyle. We were already living. I just wanted to pay my student

loans off. I think at that point in time in 2016, when we started filming, I was still like $30,000 in debt of student loans. And I was like, shit, PR does not make any money. I was like, why would I choose the career that just does not make any money? Well, let's stop right there to interrupt. How much money can you make in PR? Or were you making a New York City PR? Yeah, PR is very top heavy. I started out, like the people like the people at the top, the owners, the VPs. And also, you know, if you work at a more corporate PR firm where, or if you're doing crisis PR or if you are working in pharmaceutical PR, there's more money at those big, big, big corporate PR firms than the more lifestyle boutiquey PR firms, which is where I found that I fit in the best.

Okay. So, like, my first job in PR, straight out of college, 2008, financial crisis, but that didn't really matter, like, either way, just in general. Back then, I was making $28,000 a year in New York City. 28,000 PR. I look back on those days and I was like, how did I survive? So, yeah, so then you slowly, slowly, slowly work your way up and then, I think by the time I started Summer House, so we filmed it 2016, it aired 2017.

I was making, I think, $100,000 in PR. But that's because I owned my PR firm. Big difference. You know, so I gave myself that salary. Yeah. And then just put all the pressure to like make sure that I had the clients to pay my own salary. Yeah. But yeah, I mean, it was, it's a jump from 2008 to 2016, eight years from 20s.

$28,000 to $100,000, sure. Yeah. But in New York City, we also get, can I curse on this show? You can see that, whatever you want. Okay, good. We get absolutely fucked with taxes. Oh, you get crushed. It's crushed.

With having a house here, you should make this place your permanent residence. Well, I would love to, but then I'd have to spend six months in one day in Nashville. And it's a little difficult. Priorities. I looked it up. $28,000 in 2008 is equivalent to purchasing power today of $41,000. So it gives you an idea of the PR space. I want to get into Summerhouse before I do, though.

I think the PR space is interesting. Tell me about when you owned the company, who were the clients you're working with? And then I think people would be interested in like, what is an average retainer that some of these clients would pay? Totally. Most of my clients were hospitality accounts. So restaurants, lounges, bars, clubs, hotels in New York City. I also had different lifestyle consumer goods brands.

Like I had a baby stroller client at one point, and then various fashion beauty brands. So anything that was a brand, I never represented a person or did personal PR unless it was, you know, kind of pushing the CEO or founder in front of the brand for business stories. And those brands, on average, would pay how much it must? So because I was more of a boutique PR firm, but I was also really good and you got me. you didn't get an assistant. Sure. You're getting my experience. Yeah.

I would say my lowest retainer was around 4 to 5,000. Okay, that's nice. Yeah. And then highest, I would say, was probably 6,000 or 7,000. And how long do they sign for? I had a minimum of six months just because when you're working with like long lead, like pitching your clients for like long lead media placements, especially back then when actually we had.

had print outlets that people read. Yeah. Yeah, it takes a little bit of time. And you have to, you know, there is this process where you have to gear up and like understand your client and engulf yourself in the brand and then be able to speak to it and pitch it and come up with different strategies for the next six months. Interesting. All right. We're going to touch on how owning a PR company has helped you with PRs. You manage your PR and some of the crises that may have come up before we do that. I want everyone a little background. All my people from Bravo, we have a great relationship with those people. When people come on the show, I always make sure they can share numbers, but I know certain things you can actually can't share. We'll try and

skirt around it and be respectful of Bravo here. So, but that's how much I wanted you here, even though I know that you couldn't share too many numbers. But let me ask you this, get like roundabouts here. You're in $30,000 of debt. You're starting this brand new show with this brand new network. You don't have TV experience at this. point. Can you make in that season enough to pay that $30,000 off? Yes, I was able to pay. Yeah. And that first, so you can make enough in the first season to pay that off. You see what I'm saying? You give me a little gray area. Totally. Yeah. I was able to pay those student loans off. I don't know if I did it like right away or I might have taken like a year

and a half. But yes, I was able to make the student loan money. That's a PR answer from a PR powerhouse. All right. Let me ask you this. I think there's a lot of people that listen to this. You're like, yeah, my friend's going to have a show, too, because we are funny and wild. Like, why do you think, and Kyle's a good friend, you know, he's a maniac. What is it about the group that a network like Bravo's like, yeah, these are our people. Like, how do you, how did that happen? I, oh my gosh.

Well, I think because everyone can relate to different people for different reasons, right? You know, like I might be in Kyle and I joke about this all the time. like he's like an alpha Leo male. I'm an alpha Leo female. We butt heads. We get back together, you know, but we also are both off the wall in very different ways. And then you have, you know,

all of these different personalities that other viewers are relating to. Not everyone's going to relate to me. Not everyone's going to like me. Not everyone is going to understand, you know, the way I react or the way I think or perceive things. But they might understand. Amanda or Sierra or Page. So it's interesting, I think, you know, when you take like very, very different personalities,

but also, you know, a lot of us do have similarities and goals that it just works and it works with our show. We also, like, have the ability unlike some of these other shows, like if you take a couple of these Housewives franchises, for example, like they're rebooting them. because these arguments and, like, they're just not able to get through and move on and move forward from some of the drama. There's no resolve. You need the story arc and there's no story.

And it's just like crushing some of these shows, whereas we are able to, it might take a couple of years, but we're actually able to resolve some of our drama and or move forward from it. That makes sense. Logistically, I want to talk about the inner workings of it. What I found interesting, I went to one of your filmings. It was so good to see it. I know, that was so random. Yeah, so right.

But so fun. We work, I own a talent agency, right? And we work a lot with Amanda. We work with Kyle. We've done deals with a lot of the cast. We work with Jesse. And so we were connected with Kyle. I was like, dude, you guys got to come.

So we're just like, all right, let's come. What I found the most fascinating thing was how unproduced it was. Yeah. And like, so like, I know, I was like, what do you guys want me to do? Where am I going? What is going on here? Camera's are rolling. You guys are just sitting there.

talking like what and so i've been on you know i've probably whether you're cast or like a guest or whatever i've probably been on the set now of maybe like 10 12 different reality shows i've never seen anything like this show where it's just like yeah you guys just like eat talk and chill is that how it always is or is there some more production value that maybe just because we're in the public we didn't see i mean we pretty much go into our weekends right like we might talk to our producers and be like, you know, hey, I'm feeling this this weekend. I want to, you know, get this off my chest. Or, you know, you'll have those conversations beforehand. But when you're actually in it, like, no one needs to go and tell me, hey, you need to go have a conversation with this person.

Yeah. Interesting. Because I already know I want to have a conversation. So it's kind of like you're, you work together as a team between, you know, at least on our show, our producers take a very like hands off. approach because it really should be organic and it should be like my true feelings. I don't need a producer to overproduce how I'm feeling. I already know how I'm feeling and I'm, I'm able to articulate that. But yeah, it is, it's fun because, you know, you're as a Saturday nights during the day, we're in Montauk, like, you know, Kyle's going to go DJ. Everyone's drinking. Obviously, I was drinking mocktails, but I'm still having a great time. You know, and you're having like serious conversations in the middle of all this fun.

And then you're like, okay, now let's go dance and party. The best part was, like, once Jesse came over, he was with someone, I'm not going to say to some wings, I don't want to spoil anything. And so I just started asking them questions. I'm asking them everything. I'm like, so when did you guys meet? How often you guys have sex? What's your love language?

Like, we were in the weeks. And they were miced. He's like, you better be careful. Like, cameras are rolling here. I'm like, ah, shit. I didn't sign anything. I don't want to be on this. But I have a question about, like, when I was thinking about those questions.

And I think about the way you guys, guys do producing. You know, you are making income off social media, right? 691,000 followers on Instagram. You're making income off the show. You got your house too. Do you find, I feel like when you're in a show like that as a main character, part of your business strategy has to be, I need to be vocal, I need to be polarizing, I still need to be me. But if I'm vanilla, I'm bringing no show value. There's another business aspect of you that must be like, especially PR, if I ruin my reputation doing the things I need to do to bring ratings, I also will take a massive hit with income outside this show. Is that something that you think

through? And if so, how do you balance it? So I, I don't know if it's fortunately or unfortunately for me. I just sort of accidentally step in shit and like it creates story. You know, a lot of it is not manufactured, calculated, or like pre thought of in my mind of like, okay, I need to make a good TV show. Like for me, it was, it's always been like, this is me naturally, organically. Yeah. And with the understanding that not, it's not going to work for everyone. And it doesn't.

Like, I just naturally am a polarizing person. I think off TV. And I've had so many friends, good friends that have been in my life since before TV that they're like, I'm so happy you didn't. change, you know, like this is the Lindsay that I've always known. But yeah, as as you start, you know, kind of like gaining seasons under your belt, you start realizing like, oh shit, like this could affect other other businesses I have going on, other brands I have, you know, so you do want to keep it in line just a little bit and not like go and cancel yourself. Sure.

But yeah, I think that's more of a thought once you, once you're like, you know, gaining years under your belt but that makes sense how is social media income been for you it's gotten better it was a slow slow build i mean really like i would say 2020 okay covid pandemic times was like really the jump where people were like you know transitioning to social media and social and brand campaigns because everyone's at home right so how do you capture your audience and no one couldn't go anywhere So I think from there, you know, on the social media side, I like was, I don't know how many brands I worked with, maybe like five over the course of like 2020. Okay. But each year since then, I have probably increased by at least 30 to 40%.

Wow. So 2020, back in your day, PR, you're making 28K. 2020 and social media influencing. You're making more or less than 28K. I was making more. Okay. As you're moving up and up, you're 100K at the PR firm. Have you broken the 100K mark on an annual basis in social media?

Yes, I have. I love it. And then you're like, you're like by a long shot. Well, no, but I think like I'm like the sporty girl so I can work with like different, you know, a leisure or athletic brands. I'm, you know, also can be the girly girl. I'm really into makeup, but I'm like not as like awesome at hair. I'm, you know, there's just different facets and elements to my personality that I think, you know, at one point I was about to get married.

So I was able to like work with different, you know, bridal brands. Now I can work with different baby brands and that's a whole different market. Totally. You know, that opens me up. So it's really just dependent on where I'm at in my life. and, like, you know, how relatable I am and what I can do with that. It also depends, I think, if you have a manager, you have a team, or you have an agent, you know, because that always helps. But, yeah, you get really, like, savvy and you start honing in on, like, who are you and what do you stand for?

Like, I'm working with a sandwich brand, like a big national sandwich chain right now. And obviously, I'm working with sandwiches because I have this, like, legendary sandwich line that came out when I was drunk one night on season five. Amazing how those things happened. Yeah. So for me, it's like, let me monetize. Yeah. You know, my, my idiocy and like drunken words, like, why not make money from that? 100%. Or like my, my pregnancy announcement. Yeah. Yeah. It was an announcement I was already going to make. It was a blue. People were very torn up about this. Blue clear. Clear blue. Yeah, yeah. Yeah. Why were they torn up about that? Because they're just saying They're like, I can't believe she, like, monetized her pregnant or her, like, pregnancy announcement.

And it's like, why not? I'm going to make the announcement anyway. Yeah. Why not make money from it? In a deal like that? I used clear blue. I used the digital test to begin. Like, that was the test I used.

Yeah. Like, back in April when I found out I was pregnant. So why not go to them and say, hey, I used your test. I'm about to announce my pregnancy. Do you want to sponsor this? Yeah. Yeah. Totally.

It's such a fine line. this space, right, of like, hey, this is how I make money. Like, so, like, I don't tell you to not go your job and do your work. Right. I share my information. And as a result, there's an opportunity to monetize things organically that I products I use. Like, that's what I do. There's this other thing that I think people are saying like, oh, something like that is so special. You shouldn't intertie it. And it's like this, it's this constant balance in our world that's so hard. And you do what you want to do. And forget about the noise. Who cares what they say? I mean, this is how I'm making my money. I'm not doing PR anymore. I'm not, you know, sitting behind a desk.

That money's for the child. That's coming up. You know, literally. And my expenses just got a whole lot more. Yeah. Oh, I can imagine. When you structure a deal like that with Clear Blue, they're getting a massive moment. That's a massive moment for you. As a result of that, does your rate increase? Yeah, because that was like, that was by far the biggest announcement of my entire life. Was it the biggest deal you've ever done? At that point, I think it was the biggest deal. Yes. It tied another deal that I had done in the spring.

Was it more or less than what you made your first year of PR at 28K? More. Let's go. We love that. All right. We're rocking and rolling. A question I got for you, you are a businesswoman, an entrepreneur, a real estate owner, a reality star, all those things when you go into the negotiation process.

There are a ton of statistics I can rattle off of women in business and women in their careers that just aren't negotiating as well right now. And it's an area that we are closing that wage and pay gap. It's being closed. I have a theory. Not only is it going to close, it's going to flip. You've been able to do it very successfully. With the show or even with real estate,

how are you and what are you doing to determine your value year to year? You've been doing this since 2017 to then go negotiate with the network, to then go negotiate for these deals. Any tips or tricks for the listeners? majority of the listeners are women 22 to 44. Okay. Yeah, I think doing market research first and foremost is probably like your, you know, you want to get a pulse of like what your peers and other people in your position are making,

you know, for whatever deal you're working on. So I think like just like polling your friends, pulling, you know, different peers in your in your respective industries. but also, you know, I think not being afraid to walk away. Yeah. Whether that's for like a deal or, you know, or or anything else. Like, I'm not afraid to say no. Yeah.

I also just have an extra added layer, I think, of confidence in my negotiations. A, I live in New York City. B, I've worked in a male dominated field pretty much my whole life in hospitality. So like my whole life, I've had to literally convince men. of like why I need, you know, to be at certain levels. Yeah. That gave me a lot of training to be able to be a tougher negotiator. I love that.

So, but yeah, I think going into any negotiation with confidence. Yeah. And like really truly understanding yourself worth and then arming yourself with the education and knowledge of market research and what your peers are making. It's brilliant advice. With feedback like that, though, you're just setting me up to ask this. I have to ask at that. Do you do market research with your other peers?

Like, do you know how much the other castmates are making on SummerHus? On other show. Oh, on SummerHouse. Do you talk to them about? Do you guys talk about it? I know how much they're making because me, Kyle and Carl, like, set the tone. Like, we are the ones. So you guys negotiate together?

Okay. So because me, the way, I don't know how, how to, I'm like going to try to like put it in terms that is like really makes sense. So because we started the show together, we're at the same. level like seniority kind of sure you can call it seniority but what i'm making season nine yeah someone who is going to be at season nine next year they're going to make what me kyle and karl make let's say so like a jesse solomon comes in and he'll get paid so jesse solomon this was his second year yeah he's making what me kyle and karl made our second year gotcha i thought you were saying he's making what you're making now i'm like that's crazy okay or like let's say sierra she i think

she started on season five, we just finished. So she's four years in. Her fourth season, she's making what me, Kyle, Carl made our fourth season. I heard a rumor that if you make it the third season, you're kind of in. Is that true? I don't know. I mean. It's a big jump to the third season. Wasn't that big of a jump? Okay. What about? We've had higher jumps. Yeah. We've seen a lot of people go in and out of the show, like in Olivia Flowers, right? Like, how are career and business decisions made on people like that? I think it really depends. This has happened a couple of times on our show, too, where you're, you know, some people you're like, I don't know if they're going to make it. And then other people, you're like, whoa, how did that happen? Yeah. I think it just

is a very different and specific formula that they're looking for with reality TV. Like, are you going to be open with your life. Okay. Are you going to share, like, some of these really tough, difficult things that most people find hard and difficult to talk about? Yeah. You know, like, I have to constantly remind myself all the time that, like, it is not very normal for the average person to share as much as, like, we are pretty much trained

to share about our lives. Therapists literally, their skin crawls when they're like, protect your privacy. Yeah. Talk to me like, how are you, this is your life. Your life is literally putting yourself in mental warfare. No, no. 100%. And like, it can have its downsides.

Look at, you know, my breakup was probably one of the most humiliating moments that publicly happened to me on national television and, you know, became one of the most public moments, breakups on Bravo. So at least in the, you know, recent years next to Ariana and Tom Sandoval. Yeah. But, you know, so there is, there is risk involved when you do share a lot of who you are. But I think as far as a formula of what people are looking for in a cast member on a reality show, especially on Bravo, like, number one, you just have to be open. Yeah.

This is a question. I imagine you never got before. And it's one that's like very tied to the show because I'd never like to get into like the drama, the breakups. That's not, that's not our show. But with the breakup, when you look at like your actual business, do you, especially being in PR, do you think the breakup financially and trajectory hurt or helped your career? I think personally, I have always operated better for myself, whether it was on the show or social media brand campaigns, solo.

I've always operated better solo. Gotcha. On the show, I've always been better as single Lindsay or, you know, Lindsay, like I have a boyfriend this season on the show, but I'm there by myself. And like, it's a different side of me. But I just have always operated better solo. So I don't know if I can really like say, oh, I got more deals or I made more money or I did this better because of the breakup.

I just think in general, I've always operated solo. After my breakup, two months later, I was in Nashville looking at houses and, you know, that whole process went quicker. I don't think I would have done that in that relationship. I wouldn't have bought a house turning into an Airbnb and short-term rental property to then start making money, you know, a few months after that. That's interesting. All right.

It's all about like kind of what works for you and rolling with the punches. I know we got to wrap here in just a minute. What already? But we are here. And this has been fascinating episode. Quickly on the Airbnb, that's a big topic in Nashville. Can you give us just a little background of it and like the success of it? Like is it cash flowing well?

What are the struggles? What are things that you didn't expect? Just the business breakdown of your Airbnb. Yeah. So I came to Nashville. I started coming in October. And then I came in last November. I went to the CMA Awards.

Might or might or not have had a date or two. Okay. while I was in town. Anyone we would know? There's been a lot of talk about it. Why don't you talk about it on Trained Secret? Well, because you don't talk about those things. So, yeah.

That's PR. It's always hard interviewing someone from PR. Well, you're the one who said. I'm just using your words, man. Yeah, so when's to go look at houses. And then by Thanksgiving of last year, closed on, or sorry, made an offer on the house. How much?

It was a good, probably my salary. Okay. I'm trying to, like, think about it in terms of, like, my summer house salary. Yeah, I made an offer. I'm not going to tell you how much, but I will tell you that I won the offer. Love that. I beat out another couple or whoever else had put an offer in. And then by, you know, the end of December, I was closing on it.

By January, I was designing it February. I was installing it. And by March, I started renting it out. So I've really only been renting it out since March. We're in what, September, almost October now. It's been about six months. Yeah. And it has slowly but surely increased depending on the market and what's going on in Nashville.

Because I was going to go with like the purchase price and all that I was going to try and do the calculations to see if you're, are you cash flowing positively monthly with your mortgage? Is the income you're making more than the mortgage and the expenses? Yeah. So I'm able to pay. off my mortgage and then also dedicate a certain amount of money to my New York City rent. Okay. Hell yeah. Because I'm still in that apartment. Let's go. Yeah. Hell yeah.

That everyone was so concerned about the price tag of my rent. And I am supplementing the price tag of that rent with my Nashville house. For the people that haven't heard about it, can you tell people how much that rent was? Well, it was 13,000 a month. Yeah. And I was so lucky, Like when I decided to stay in the apartment and renew my lease for one more year, my, you know, I had a discussion with my landlord and she is a badass entrepreneur, by the way. Except for her on too. Yeah. No, you should.

Literally, she's a big deal, which I love, right? But I think that's why we get along, me and her. So she actually reduced my rent for me. Hell yeah. So it's no longer 13,000 a month. Cool. It is a little less than that. But again, I supplement some of that rent from Nashville.

From Nashville. That is a trading secret in itself. Lindsay, as we're wrapping up the last topic, I have to ask, congratulations. Thank you. We're preparing for finances with a child. First and foremost, when you think about your career, will you be on Summer House next year for season 10? I mean, I hope so. I don't know in what capacity.

Obviously, this is a big life change. And it's no longer just me involved. It's like by next summer, my daughter will be seven, eight months old. Yeah. So I can't exactly go live in the house every weekend in a party house. Yeah. So I don't know what we're going to do. I know that we're talking about it and we're trying to figure out what we're doing with Lindsay as far as the next steps.

But I don't, I don't know quite what's going to happen with summer house. We'll see. Okay. We'll see. And anything you're doing financially or money related to start preparing for the child? I mean, I'm trying to take on as many social media brand campaigns as possible and just continuing to show up as, you know, a team player on reality TV because maybe if there is no more summer house for me, maybe there's something else. Yeah. I think I've, I've spent nine seasons now proving myself to be as dynamic as I possibly can, you know, in order to set myself up.

and continue my career beyond, you know, partying in the Hamptons. I love it. Hopefully, hopefully we figure it out together. Come on, Bravo. In some capacity, you're going to be there and you're going to be killing it. The last thing I got for you is, like, I always remember, I've always gone so, I've been back and forth with this because I think about just how you grow as a human to stay in one lane would be when do justice for yourself, right?

Like you grow, you change, you think. And there's a time I was like very traditional, like, oh, I hope I get married and then have kids. And I'm like, oh, I would just have kids. I don't need to be married. And then I'm like, I've just, I'd just be lucky to even have a healthy child at this point, right? So I've changed so much from that.

And a question I have for you is, are you content with what this is? Or do you feel pressure to be like, I should be married now that I'm going to have the child? Or I do like, what's your overall take on that? Because I think so many people go through that right now. Totally.

No, I don't feel the pressure to be married. I also similar to you and your mindset and mental journey of like how this was all going to pan out, very similar as to what you said, like thought it was all going to happen in a traditional way, always had like that idea of this fairy tale of like engagement marriage babies,

you know, in that order. And then shit hit the fan last year. And everything became unknown. And I was, you know, basically dumped at the altar like two months out from getting married. And I was like, well, shit. Like what, what does my life look like?

Now, I think I'm, I was always forcing a path that the universe was like, no. Yeah. And then the universe decided this was going to be my path. And it's definitely out of order. You know, I started dating my boyfriend in January and found out we were pregnant in April, you know, three months later. So that's kind of like, holy, whoa, what just happened here.

I mean, we all know how babies are made. But spoiler alert. Um, but yeah, it was, you know, at that point in time when, when I found out I was pregnant, I was like, yo, let's just take everything else off the table. Like, I am not at all thinking about getting engaged or, you know, getting married. That is the last thing on my mind. Yeah. And I'm not even thinking about moving in together right now.

Yeah. I think that we live in a modern world. This is what the universe wanted. It wanted me to have a child first and here we are. let's not put the pressure in, you know, on the relationship in any other way. Yeah. And, and I'm just sort of like taking in a stride and seeing what happens. Like, do I really hope that there is the word forever attached with my relationship?

Yes, I do. I wouldn't be in it otherwise. Yeah. But what last year taught me is that I'm a little bit more realistic. Yeah. About relationships. And, you know, like I was like just about there and then it all blew up. So I wouldn't say I have like trust.

issues when it comes to, you know, the longevity of relationships. But I would say I'm, I'm definitely more realistic and have, and wear that lens, you know, but I also am a very strong girl. And, you know, I, I operate very independently. So I don't know. I don't really know what my path is. I'm just sort of letting the universe figure it out because the universe did not like when I was trying to force it. But I think for those of us on Bravo, like this seems to be more of the direction we go in anyway. If you look at how. half the cast of Vanderpump, you know? Sheena and Brock, like, they had Summer Moon before they were married.

Lala just had her second baby from a sperm donor. Yeah. You know, so I think, I think we just, we need to somehow figure out as a society to get rid of these, you know, ideals of what is conventional and what is traditional. Like, that just doesn't exist anymore. Yeah. When we try and force the order, the order gets completely put in. disarray and sometimes the order will just work out. Like we can't, there's only so much you can

control in this life. And it feels like the more you're trying to control the uncontrollables, the more things don't work out in your favor. Right. And like it truly is like what if, you know, what if this was always meant to be my fairy tale? You know, I've been very, very open and clear my, you know, whole summer house career like almost every season talking about how I really want to have a family. My ultimate goal was always to have a family. So like, now I got it. You got it. At least the start of it. And I think the rest will either

but it'll just fall into place. It'll fall into place. Well, Lindsay, we will definitely have you back. I got a million more questions for you, but this was a beautiful, I'm not even call it warm up. This was like an unbelievable plate table full of awesome entrees with a little bit of a meal. We're going to get more of the meal and dessert

next time. But we've got to wrap up with the trading secret. So something that someone couldn't learn from a professor or textbook or TikTok tutorial only through your career life. It could be money, it could be life, whatever you got. It's just special to you, your trading secret. Okay. I think people, and it's the most simple trading secret. Okay. But we often overlook it and we forget about it. But it is to follow your gut in anything and everything that you do and especially in your career. You know, a lot of times when you're trying

to figure out where your career is going. Yeah. Or if there's a forecast, in the road or if it's changing, like, you have to truly listen to your inner monologue and what your gut is telling you. Yeah. I also think secondary trading secret, just don't be afraid to say no. Yeah. You know, like you have your integrity and your integrity alone and, you know, just self-respect and self-worth and just understanding that, you know, it is okay to say no because in the end, it'll all work out. Yeah. And the times you do say yes, become that more valuable. right because it's a power and yes and I completely agree trust your gut and I also think something I've been thinking about lately is like when your gut speaking to you as opposed to reacting like respond

to really understand what like dig into the gut like what why it's telling me something let's really understand it and truly the times that I've gone wrong were the times that I did not trust my gut and I looked back obviously hindsight of course 2020 but like I every time I looked back I was like my gut told me one thing and I didn't listen to it yeah and this is why I'm in this position, so... 100%. Well, I kept you a little long, so we got to get you out of here. You've got to go celebrate over a wedding. But Lindsay,

thank you so much for being on trading secrets. Where can everyone find everything you have going on? Instagram, Lynn's Hubbs. You can rent my house if you want in Nashville. Where can they find it? Hubhouse, Nashville.com. That's Hub with two bees. Okay. Also have an Instagram, Hubhouse Nashville.

Sweet. Yeah, and that's where I'm at so far. Go check it out. You know what? Maybe one thing we're going to think about on Trading Secrets is doing a giveaway. Maybe we'll rent the house out for a weekend and give it to one of our lucky listeners. So let me talk to the team if we could pull that off. Yeah, let's do it. Or we could do like a baby moon. Yeah, baby moon party. I like that. Let's go. Well, Lindsay, thank you so much for being on. Always a pleasure. Thanks for having me. Ding, ding, ding. We are ringing in the bell. And boy, we are back and better than ever with the one and only the curious Canadian. It's been a

couple weeks since he's been in the hot seat with me. So David, it is so good to have you back. And I, before we even get to this episode, how the hell are you? I'm great. How are you? Christmas season, baby. Christmas season. I'm feeling good. I am ready to wrap this year up and I am ready to kick the fucking doors down to

2025. Hey, December, did you get all your Christmas shopping done? December 22nd recording this at 8.23 p.m. on Sunday night. I just got all my stuff done today. I was going to say. I got most of it done. I had it sent here, but I still got a couple last things to do, you know? You did it all today?

I think December 22nd is. a record for me to be done. Do you think, uh, you think Ashley listens to this or no? Um, she knows. I mean, you already know, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, she already knows your, what, what? You know, she knows what you got her? No, but she knows that I'm done shopping. Oh, but what does know what I got her. Oh, yeah, no, uh, we won't risk it. We won't risk it for the biscuit. Yeah, we won't risk it. Just, all right. We talked about this on the episode with Lindsay Hubbard about, uh, how do you know how much to spend for a wedding? How do you know how much to spend for Christmas gifts. Oh, you set a limit and then you go over it out of like just a little bit though

just to show that you went over the limit. But we have a pretty short, we have a pretty small limit, but we go over it every year. So you guys agreed to create a limit. And then you'll just like, you'll touch and go with it a little bit. Correct. Exactly. I like it. That's cool. Yeah. It's like the foundation so you don't go out of like out of control where you're opening gifts in front of the other person and you look at them. You're like, well, you know we can't afford this. What are you doing? but it's also like but it's just enough over where you're like you know what that's sweet thank you

I think for I mean everyone I'm sure in some regard like it doesn't matter how much it is everyone of course has some idea of what they're going to spend and I think regardless of like how big that is or how small it is to me gifts

like are really about intention and thought like what did you like how much thought did you put into it and you could spend $10 and put in like amazing thought and it can be incredible don't you think 100% I always and we have staples we get each other every year just because we know that

they would never buy that thing for themselves and then we try and mix up one or two thoughtful things whether it'd be cheesy thoughtful or thoughtful thoughtful. So it's great. I always do it I'll tell my little trading secret I always do for gifts for Christmas because we do big gifts here. Like when I say that like

my mom still lives in the nostalgia of like us being children and we'll come downstairs. The stockings will be full. There will be presents wrapped everywhere. Like that's just how she rolls. And I feel like based on how my year went, like, how was it a good year or not? That's how much I'll decide to spend. And so this was a really good year.

So I'm, I get ripping. Let's go. Oh, we could have a whole episode on Christmas nostalgia and traditions. It was we, I think your family and my family probably did Christmas very, very similarly. If I, if I, if I, if I were to guess. I guess this is a bit of a Christmas episode. So everyone out there, Merry Christmas. Happy,

happy holidays. Before we get into Lindsay Hubbard, while we're on the topic, let's just do one, David. What is one interesting tradition that you guys did? Well, I don't know if it's a tradition, but we would sit when it was time to open presents. We would sit in our circle, in our chairs, and one person would open up a present at a time. We still do that. Yes, dude, I love that. I try doing that with just Ashley and Carter and Ashley looks at me like I have 10 heads and like I go to her house it's chaos man there's like 50 people opening presents out once I have

like anxiety from it wait I love the like all right mom it's your turn like and then you get to watch and see it get to watch you get to see the reactions and you know what that's where gift giving becomes gift giving you will put if you know that when that person opens your gift

everyone's sitting and staring and watching you're going to want to make sure it's a good gift if you don't want to say there's just a lot of psyche towards that so I You know, it takes like four or five hours to open gifts. Yeah. And then it's like, well, it does. Yeah, I'd say we, we probably doing like two, two hours or so.

Probably like three hours. But it's like, but like maybe when we were kids, it was more like probably three. But I think it's, I love it. It shows like we're all paying attention. Oh my God. That's going to be perfect. You got that gift. It gives value to the gift as opposed to just like a shit show frenzy of just ripping gifts.

You know, a lot to, not to mention it extends the best. you know what is the best part of Christmas which is the gift giving yeah like it extends that like I don't want that over in 10 minutes trying to keep track of where all my shit went that's true so yeah that's great that's that's the one thing that I I do miss I'm trying I'm gonna I'm gonna try the splutters are give it a go they're they're high energy bunch so it's you can't get to sit still very long for at least one round you should do for one round everyone go around the horn let's just do a one and then you go free for all yeah one one tradition we always do gifts in the morning and then we always do a big brunch

And then we always just sleep and relax. And then we always do like more of like my mom's like a more of a Jewish tradition is like we'll do like Chinese food and a movie. Actually, that's like the next day, I think. I think we usually do that the next day. But anyway, we, uh, we, uh, but back in the day, we always had all the gifts and we had all these people over for brunch, grandma, you know, grandpa, all of the relatives, the Dan Heisers would come. And then we would have a big, uh, dinner too. So good times. Christmas to all. Happy Hanukkah and happy holidays from everyone at Trading Secrets from David and I to you guys back home. Thank you for being with us another year. And that reminds me we do have a Jason tells all episode coming here soon. So David will get ready for that. But David, I mean, come on. We're six minutes in. We haven't even talked about Lindsay and she was on fire. Talk to me. Well, speaking of Christmas, I mean, Lindsay Hubbard, is she not the gift that keeps on giving? I mean, let me tell you she, I'm a summer house guy. I've watched it through and through. She's been on every season, obviously, from the start.

So, you know, we've seen her grow and sometimes digress. But all the things that we've seen is her authentic self. One thing that always impresses me about Lindsay, and I think I didn't even realize it to this podcast, you know, we're on 220-something episodes, Jay. And I've, sometimes I listen to these episodes before we recat them on the bus with the hockey team. Sometimes I'm just in my car. Today I was shoveling snow in the driveway

Her voice Her presence When you can't even see her And how she responds to things Was my biggest takeaway Like she is Whether it's PR training or something She's her

She has the most One of the most powerful presence Like ever Like she's not shy She doesn't shy away from anything She speaks her mind She's very confident She tells she's been through some stuff

Which made her even stronger and harder She's like She was very impressive of, and I already know how she's how she's on camera, but just behind a mic how like through the speakers, her tone, her voice, her presence was just so powerful. I thought it made for a great episode. There's something about one, I think it's practice, right? But I also think there's something about people that just know themselves to like the truest

core and just don't give a shit that make the best episodes because they just don't, they just say what they're thinking. They're not overthinking everything. They're just saying it and they're saying with confidence and it is what it is. And so I think there's something about that. And I mean, you could look at anybody, anybody that is an unbelievable speaker, people that can get on a podium and speak. They can say it with confidence.

They don't think twice about it. They know what they're doing. They got their tone down. They know how to emphasize things. I mean, she just has that. Like when you're listening to this episode, when she speaks, you listen. You might not agree. You might not like it.

You might love it. But you listen. And that's what she has. Yeah, just that presence. And it carries into the show, too. I think one of the most interesting things and we've had a lot of summer host people on which has been great

but I didn't realize even when we talked about it with Kyle and everything how each of how the cast members get paid how the bar is set with Lindsay Kyle and Carl because they're the OGs and so no matter what season that you're filming for yourself you get paid what they got paid

on that season so I thought that was interesting and it doesn't account for inflation because we've been on nine seasons so if you're on season two and it's 2025 You're going to pay it the same as they got paid for season two and rewind the clocks in 2016, which is kind of crazy to think. But it's also like, yeah, stay here and you'll get the benefits as long as we stay here because we're going to keep driving the rates out. So did you think that that was an interesting kind of pay structure, pay scale? I like it.

It's like old school, a little traditional, like kind of gangster a little bit, you know? Yes. Like I kind of like it. I do feel like a lot of that we obviously, if you guys are new to the show, you've been around forever, real house wipes we've had almost. almost every one of them on. We have some more coming, by the way. So that's exciting. But their structure is similar, too.

Like, all the OGs got paid the same, and I think they're adjusted. And I know other shows out there. I'm not going to say it's specific ones, but there are other competition shows that are exactly the same. Like, you get paid, still to this day, the exact same thing that the first people

got paid season one, and then it goes up from there. So, you know, I see it. It's different. What else did you, were you surprised by? Well, I'm surprised that you decided to drop that you were on an episode.

that you were on set for filming Oh yeah, yeah, yeah, I was there. I don't think, like I didn't sign anything so they're not going to use anything, but I was there watching it all happen. It was kind of interesting. I was there actually. What do you mean watching it all happen?

What was the setting? Talk me through it. Yeah, we were in the Hamptons, and I was in the Hamptons with Kat at the time and John and Alex, and John and Alex were like, they were big fans of the show. And so I was like,

and they just wanted to go meet the cast, you know? And I was like, actually, I think we can go to filming. So we called Kyle. and Kyle was like, yeah, I'll set you guys up with some lover boys and you guys sit there and hang out and like, we'll just have a great time. So we had a table, lover boys were flowing. They were filming right next to us. A bunch of them came over and talked with us like during some of which I thought some of those conversations were actually being recorded because there was like some really like there was some TB and drop.

They weren't recorded. And then we actually went out with all of them. Like we went out to the like club with all of them until late night. And they're a, dude, they're a wild group. Like, like, I actually would like, if I'm single in the summer, I would love to go on that show. I would love to. But it's like, you got to just knock.

You got to just rip it. Because they're all just, everyone's just ripping it. You have to still be yourself, like, have fun. But like, it's different. You know the biggest difference I couldn't believe? Here's the biggest difference. I could not believe. In The Bachelor and stuff and some of the other shows I've been on, even Tyler Cameron's show,

it's very like, okay, you're in the scene. and then a producer's watching, a producer comes in and, like, produces. That's their job. And in this show, I didn't see any of that. Everything, everyone was just being, just their existing. And there weren't producers like, oh, so what do you think about this and this? And what do you think of, like nothing? It was just like us sitting here like this.

For hours, though. And I guess they must just get so much footage. They don't need to produce it. How many, like when you were at the filming, how many cameras are there? Is it like a noticeable presence of like a massive? camera crew? I mean, everyone knows that a show's filming, but it's not. It was like maybe, I don't know, maybe like three or four, which, like, maybe even less than that. Where like the bachelor, it's like, you know, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's,

dude, it's, it's crazy. Their production in the mansion is crazy how many cameras are out. And when you went to this, this bar, our club after were cameras there with you, too, like, do they follow them 24-7 or is it very much like we're going to shoot this scene today? They were filming before, uh, we got there. And then we were, we showed up late. they weren't filming anymore so apparently because you know they have like set time where they have to be at the club until this time and then they're done that's when like amanda and all them went home so it was just the guys that were left there but like like west was there um and kyle was there and some of the new guys were there too jessie was there

etc i always find it interesting too how when they're at the summer house it's they have cameramen at the house in the house it's not one of those like love island and shows that have done such a good job of, like, so many, like, cameras behind, like, two-way mirrors that, you know, you're, or like a big brother where there's no actual cameraman in the house. All the angles and cameras are, or built in the house. So it's just, it's like a little bit of a throwback reality TV show. Yeah, it is. You know, it's like real, it's like, real world mixed with Bravo sensation, mixed with Jersey Shore. It's like fucking awesome. Yeah, I love it. I love it, too. And I was talking to Kyle, I don't know how long ago it was,

And he was saying, you know, it's tough with Bachelor people because, like, he's like, it's like you guys already have such, like, predisposition to your show and, like, how you guys think it should be. And it's so different than, like, what our show is. And so, you know, because they've thought about having other people from the franchise on, they haven't. So, uh, we'll see. I'm going to knock on his door one day and just be like, listen, Kyle, one episode, let's go.

Let's just do this. He would, he would, he would, he would 100%. I think you would 100% do it, knowing what I know. But, yeah, that would be great. And just, you know, the Summer House show in general, like you, I think one thing that Lindsay said is, like, the fact that they've stayed with pretty much the core cast, like, they haven't had to reboot, like, some of these Housewives shows with, like, an entire new cast shows that, like, you know, these people are willing to go through thick and thin and put themselves out there. And it's got to be, for all the people who are probably jealous of their lifestyle, it's got to be one of the hardest things to do to be that open, that vulnerable, talk about that much stuff, get put on blast on national TV. just sign up for it again the next year but you know all the success to them they got a really good thing going um they're like all the honestly there's not one person i've met from that show

that i don't like like i really like them all too and you know and they have different like levels of talent talent right like page is like a like a queen right and then you have some of these newer people who like just started and it's interesting to see like the different like i don't know just dynamics and history. Like, it's like a senior in high school and like a freshman kind of. I was going to say, it's probably like a sports locker room. You got like a vet and a rookie. Yeah.

And I think that's kind of cool. And I think all of them do really well on social. And they're, they're continuing to roll and support Bravo. Like if I was, if any, like anyone that's on that show right now that's staying on that show, like buy stocking those people. Like that's, that's like, it's a good show. I think it's going anywhere. No, I don't, I definitely don't.

I definitely don't think it's going anywhere. I mean, it's a made-for-TV show and their socials back it up, too. And for those people, too, it's not a full life commitment. I mean, it's probably, what, eight weeks in the summer that they're filming for? So, you know, and even that, it's only on the weekend. So it's not even like it's a full, full, full-blown commitment. They still get to have real lives, quote-unquote. So, I mean, yeah, sign you up.

I'm down for that. I'll manifest that. Who knows? Whatever. I don't know. 20-5 is going to be weird. I don't know. Oh, God.

I'm into weird. I can't JTA. I was already, I was, I was already thinking back to 2024 and our JTA and what you said, thought your theme was going to be. And we'll quote, we'll clip that for 2025 and see.

And you can, you can, you can, you can comment on if it played out the way that, uh, you were planning on too. So I was, I was thinking,

if 20, if 2025, the theme's going to get weird. Like I'm so down for that. It's just going to get weird. I think, 2024. I was thinking about it today.

This is the, best way and then i want to give me one more thing from lindsay's episode before we wrap here yeah but twenty four i was thinking you know how in like movie scenes when someone's like passing away on their deathbed and they do like this quick rundown it's like a slide show of their life you know before they pass like they have all these memories like you know what i'm like they see themselves as a kid and then they see their parents all the stuff that's what's going to happen to be like you know i'm going to be in my deathbed one day and like it's just going to like run through but like it's going to stop at twenty four and twenty four is going to be like ten minute

logs and then it's just going to rip through everything else like this year there was a lot that happened holy shit yeah there was a lot of action there's a lot of values 23 24 wow wow those were like 10 years for me I feel like I'm like a dog like COVID it's like COVID years all over again like dog years or one year's like it's literally the same thing oh well it's going to get weird this podcast is going to continue to get better. We're working on a few things behind the scene. So when I'm not, JTA, we'll share some the things that we're working on, but change is coming.

We'll need your feedback. Continue to give us five stars. Do you have questions for me on JTA? Let me know. David will make sure to ask. Throw those in the comments with the review if you could. Make sure you're subscribing to our YouTube. Follow us on Instagram. David, anything else from Lindsay that, you know, that you want to make sure we brought up in the recap

before we wrap. No, it's called trading secrets. If I don't bring up the, the guest trading secret, it's usually a disservice, but just it kind of just goes with her personality. Trust your gut and it's okay to say no to just at the end of the day, powerful, powerful things that you are in control of as a human being is trusting your gut, believing in yourself to the point where you can do those things that she's doing, change the trajectory of life, and then also have the power to say no to people, to opportunities, to things that don't fit

your morals, your brands, and your path. So all the respect in the world, Lindsay, like, I've not always liked her on the show, but I do, I'm so happy for her. And I think she's doing amazing. And I'm this, honestly, this episode did help me become more and more of a fan of her. So I thought you guys a great job. I love it. Well, if I've talked about stock, if I could buy stock in a show, I would. If I could buy stock in a person, I would buy stock in Lindsay Hubbard.

I think she has a big future. Bulldog. Yeah, wherever it's going to be. I don't know. It might even be like maybe talk show on TV something, whatever it is, because who knows what her time looks like on the show, it feels like it might be relatively limited. I would buy stocking her. I think something big's happening and it's going to continue to happen. And we'll, I'll end with this. Huge congratulations. I said in the intro already. But Lindsay just had her baby girl, Gemma Britt. All the pictures and photos online are unbelievable. It's so cute. So adorable. If you don't follow her, definitely go follow her Lynn's hubs. You'll want to see these pictures. A huge congratulations, Tilt Lindsay there. David, anything before we finish this recap? Hope she's getting her sleep. Father, or motherhood, fatherhood, it's, it'll get you.

But I'm just excited for Christmas. Christmas morning with Carter, baby. Sign me up. Christmas morning with Carter. Truly a dream come true. I'm so happy for you and your family. And, yeah, that's exciting stuff, man. I love it.

Well, we'll be back here with the JTA here soon. We have some great episodes and guests that are coming up. Seriously, I'm excited. The founder of LTK is coming. We have a therapist coming on. We have Bot Sheva. Oh, my God, the journey from my unorthodox life talking about what it was like living in Orthodox religion and some of the curiosities and things that you would never know.

We talk about. There are just some great episodes coming your way. So thank you for tuning into another episode of Trading Secrets, one you can't afford to miss. Making that money, money, playing on me. Making that money and money living that dream. Making that money and money, money, rain on me. Making that money, money. Living that dream.