Trading Secrets - 219. JTA 2024: Jason Tartick is back in the Trading Secrets hot seat breaking down the highs and lows of his personal & professional life, the numbers behind it, and everything in between!

Episode Date: January 27, 2025

This week, Jason is back in the hot seat by the Curious Canadian & voice of the viewer, David Arduin!  David steps into the hosting role as he and Jason dive into their annual year-in-review episode, covering everything from finances and personal lives to their professional journeys. David kicks things off by reminding Jason of his prediction for 2024 and reflecting on how the year actually played out. They discuss last year's goals, and break down the numbers behind Spotify Wrapped. Jason also shares his predictions for 2025, both for the podcast and for the growth of the Rewired Talent agency. JTA 2024 wraps it all up, covering everything in between! Jason and David reveal all that and so much more in another episode you can’t afford to miss!                                                     Host: Jason Tartick Co-Host: David Arduin Audio: John Gurney Stay connected with the Trading Secrets Podcast!  Instagram: @tradingsecretspodcast  Youtube: Trading Secrets Facebook: Join the Group All Access: Free 30-Day Trial  Trading Secrets Steals & Deals! Strawberry.me: Feeling uncertain about what’s next in your life or career? You’re not alone. Life can be overwhelming—big decisions, changing relationships, or just trying not to make a mistake.  Strawberry.me will assess your needs and connect you with the perfect coach for you! Visit Strawberry.me/TRADINGSECRETS  and take charge of your future with the help of a certified coach plus, get 20% off your first month membership. SnapDragon Apples: The versatile SnapDragon is the perfect snacking apple or sliced in salads, and pairs beautifully with rich cheeses (especially on a charcuterie board), and so much more.  SnapDragon apples are now available in retailers, including Target, Safeway, ShopRite, Sprouts, and more. SnapDragon apples are also the Official Apple of the Buffalo Bills. Visit SnapDragonApple.com to learn more Quince: With a new year comes a new opportunity to reimagine ourselves and, more importantly, our wardrobes! Upgrade your closet this year without the upgraded price tag. Go to Quince.com/tradingsecrets for 365-day returns, plus free shipping on your order!

Ding, ding, ding, it's that time of year where I get to ring the bell. I am now your host for the day, the one, the only, as Jason Tardick says, the Curious Canadian, the Voice of the Viewer. And today's episode of Trading Secrets, my guest is Jason Tartick, the Buffalo-born corporate banker, key bank. The second runner-up on Becca season of The Bachelorette. And after a stint on TV, Jason moved from Seattle to Nashville for his girlfriend at the time. And almost did it again this year to Florida. He's most known for two extremely public breakups. He's a two-time New York Times bestseller.

Actually, he's not. But in my heart, he is. Those books were great. And he is the rewired talent agency co-founder and CEO. Ladies and gentlemen, it's the one. It's the only. It's all of our favorites. It's Jason Tarduk.

Welcome to the show, Jason. Welcome to the show. Let's pop that champagne. Oh, he's bubbling all over the floor. We're making a mess of the studio here. We've got to clean this shit up. This is a very good depiction of 2024, a straight mess. Good, but a straight mess.

So we just popped champagne. We're sitting here in Buffalo, New York. It's JTA 2024. Hopefully your favorite episode of the year. I know it's our favorite episode of the year. On the drive up from Buffalo to Rochester. I was listening to back. to last year's JTA.

I was at home in front of a ringlight. We were doing it on Zoom, the best that we could. You know when you hear your voice, and I was nervous. Like, I get why people get nervous in the hot seat, but I was nervous as a host. You know, I want to do a good job for the people. But man, is it so much better being here in person with you? Cheers. You did a great job last year hosting.

Are you nervous at all this year? No, I'm a season vet. So if you are a new listener to trading secrets, you might be wondering what the hell JTA is. Well, let none other than Jason himself. Give you a little background of the purpose of why we do our favorite episode of the year, the JTA. All right. So we started this podcast for like, it's got to be different.

We can't be like every other podcasts out there. So I think it's like pop culture meets money. We have athletes on comedians, industry experts. You know, this past year we had one of my favorite episodes was CEO of Raising Cain's $9.2 billion net worth selling chicken tenders. And we explore the dollars and cents behind what they do and how they do it. We want to know where they made money, where they lost money, career net, navigation, all the stories, the shit we just weren't taught in the school system that can help us as we navigate our lives. And so the purpose of this episode is not to boast or brag, is not to

flex or feel good. It is to really talk about when we look back at the last year, what did it look like, what learning lessons are there? And through the numbers and through the storytelling, what can we all do to improve what's next for 2025? And specifically, what can I do? Because Because let me tell you, it has been a turbulent 2023 and 2024. That is exactly why we do it. But the reason that I do it is so that the listeners at home who tune in for our great guests, but also tune in for our host, Jason Tartick, who we've all grown to know and love. So I can dig some things out of you that you're wondering and wanting to know about,

personally, professionally, and financially. And we're going to get into those three categories in an order that I will decide. You decide, you're running the show, you're the host. And I would also say, if I had to pick five people in the world that are able to get information out of me, you're definitely in the top five list. And that's without champagne. So we're feeling pretty good about that. I just want to set the table. Listen, before we got here, Jason passed me his phone.

And he said, hear all the questions that I got from the question box that I asked my followers to ask me on the podcast today. At the end of this podcast is I'm going to do Money Mafia question roulette. Okay. And I'm going to take Jason's phone. Oh boy. And I'm going to slide. I'm going to blindly put my finger on a question and I'm going to ask them. And a majority of the questions are about your past relationships, as I mentioned in the intro. So if that doesn't make you start sweating, just drink up a little bit. I'm sweat. But we will get there at the end because I'm sure majority will rule in the

roulette that I do that those will come up. But I will ask Jason some questions about his past relationships as I have. So we're going to learn all about that. We're going to learn in the direction of the podcast is going. We're going to hear about how the talent agency is doing we're going to dive into all his information financially and professionally and we're going to get this thing kicked off if you're ready to go let's kick it off let's do it off j t a 2024 off the hot start so before i get into those three silos categories i got to bring it back to last year at this very time okay when i repeated your prediction for 2023 on j jtay 2022 your jaw was on the floor we had talked about the highest of highs you said you were

going to experience the craziest of lows, twists and turns and life lessons. And obviously, that came to be true. In 2020. Now, for a refresher for anyone that hasn't been with us the whole way, 23 started off great. Mid-20203 failed engagement after four and a half years and a lot of mayhem. So apparently that was in the predictor settings. What did I say 2024 was going to look like? Do you remember before I ask you, do you remember? Not really. All right. So it was a lot longer, but I'm going to give it to you because I want your honest gut reaction. If you don't remember and I haven't showed you this. So this is exactly what I predicted 2024 would look like.

This is your teaser, your trailer for 2024. I'm going to try and do it in the Jason Tardock voice, but I might not be able to. 2024 is going to be spontaneous as all hell. It's going to be impulsive and off the cup. Less strategic and more just go and do. I think you're going to see a much more careless, Jason. Just like fuck it and let's go. The way I'm looking at this year, I want kids.

I want a family. I want to be married. I hope that is coming soon. As a result of that, I also recognize I'm in a really, really, really unique place. At 35 years old, I have a couple of bucks under my belt and have the freedom of my career to go where I want, how I want, and when I want. And I recognize and literally hope and pray that I don't have this window to do what I want, how I want, when I want for so long, because hopefully I have much more responsibility and

priorities in my life. So I'm going to treat this year just like that. I'm going to say, hopefully this is one of my last years of my life that I have the freedom where truly the only priority in my life is me. It's going to be go. Rip it and grip it. New things, get out there, take chances, don't be afraid of failure, care less about what people think.

The one image I think of is just riding a wave. And I think 2024 is going to be quite the wave. So Jason, after hearing all that, I'm sure you have a little bit of flashbacks of memories of all those things where it hits in your life. how accurate i like it like we were in this like hi like we're here we're popping champagne we're feeling good we're in a studio for the first time that synopsis it like made my heart drop into my stomach yes it's a little sad honestly because all those things i wanted were on the trajectory of happening and then it's all it's all went away and now it's kind of like all the things i

predicted happened and we're on the path to be and now as we look in january right. I'm right back where I started. I almost like shed a tear in that, honestly. So it was like sad hearing that back. When I'm writing this down, I knew that you would react this way because it's all so real and true. I feel like I could copy paste it for 2025. When you hear that back, is it fair to say that a lot of this is just surrounded around the relationship that you had in 2024? Is that fair to say? Or is there a lot? When you hear that back, is there a lot of business things? There's a lot of professional things, a lot of financial things, or is it more the personal side of things that, you know, you feel the weight of that? No, it's the personal things.

It's when I was like, I want to be married with kids and I have a couple bucks. I have flexibility and freedom to do what I want, but I like don't want that freedom to be much longer. It makes me sad because it's like, I'm back at the point now where I actually think I'm like three steps behind where I was. I wanted that and I had that and was on. the path for that. And then now I feel like I'm further from that today than I was in January 2024 when I had no idea what was coming. And like that makes me sad, honestly. I'll just say

from my point of view, hearing this kind of teaser trailer for 2024 and obviously being with you every step of the way through it, I was just as shocked as you were. I think of how it played out. I had got the opportunity to spend a lot of time, well, not a lot of time, but I don't get to spend a lot of time with you anyways and the fact that I got to spend time with you multiple times you guys together in Chicago and then had you guys to our place in Orlando for a weekend and it was like seeing it firsthand it was not twisted like pour salt on the wound but it was as real as it gets hearing you guys talk about your future and the way that she was connecting with my wife with Ashley and that we were all connecting together it's everything that we always wanted

for you you know as a friend you ride or die with your friend and as you're going through those hard times and trying to get over, you know, heartbreak. You want to, you want to stand by those person and support them as much as you can. But as soon as we would hang up the phone, I would always be like, I can't believe he's actually having to go through this right now. Like, it was just such a, such a shock for me. And I think for those that were close to you, and I'm sure for you, like, that was the hardest part of your 2024. Yeah. I mean, it's not even like really a discussion. Like it was very real. It happened quick. It happened fast. Obviously, you saw things behind the scenes, it was unexpected.

And, yeah, that was really, really hard. It was that, the, like, month of, like, just before the breakup and then after, that was probably, like, one of the hardest months of my life because it was, it was so abrupt and it was so unexpected. And it was then what I was hearing, like, these things I'm hearing publicly about speculation of what happened. and I'm just, like, sitting in my house, like, pulling my hair out. Like, you got to be kidding me. It was a, that was, like, a really tough month. Yeah. Really, really, really hard month.

And for those listening, I was still am a huge cat fan. I think that she's a great person. Yeah, yeah, yeah. I think for me, and if, you know, I would say that if she was listening to this, too. Like, I am and will be. And I was just really sad as a friend that you guys don't work out because you're, teaser and prediction for what 2024 was going to be, knowing

that's what you want and knowing you so well and seeing you guys together, it was there and it was tough to see you go through that. I think just to that point, obviously I know a lot of the questions that came in were about. Yeah. And we'll get there and we'll get to them. This is JTA. But I'll just like say this. Like I think

to your point, the sad thing about being in public breakups, which now I've been in two, is that immediately what people want to do is they want to know why. and they want to point the finger. Yeah. And they want to take sides and pin the people against each other.

And everyone goes through breakups. And like you said, she's great. Yeah. And it is what it is. And breakups happen. And this is why you date. And if you have a sudden change of heart, she's not to blame for that. That's okay.

Correct. And it's really no one's business what happened. But I will say, I've just seen every rumor out there. None of them are accurate. Right. You put a gun to my head. I would never, ever, ever be disloyal to her. Right.

I have a ton of respect and care for her. 100%. Well, we are not, we are unfortunately. Is it not in here? I was going to say, what are you? Five minutes in and we're already getting through it. Well, cheers. Cheers to you.

We know it was hard for you. We come a long way, you know, seeing you move on from it. Yeah. You seem like you're better and better every month. you're more back to, you know, the person that I know and that we all know and love. And I'm giving you the floor. Yeah. To give your trailer for 2025.

2025. Yeah, I think it's, like, it's good that we talk about these things is you have to reflect on them. You have to discuss them. You know, it happened quick. It happened fast. I would say this like by October, I knew the reality of what it was. And now it's October, November, December, it's January. I get it.

I've grieved it. I've gone through it. I understand it. I honor what was. Ironer, what is? And I'm excited. I'm, like, so excited about what's next. This year, here's my prediction. Okay, here we go. 20, 25, let me tell you, it is going to be a twister. Okay, we know wicked right now, like is the show. Think about Wizard of Oz. Dorothy, the house gets blown up. They're, like, spinning around, and then they land. And it all works out, like, it's a mayhem.

They kill the witch. There's all, all this stuff. I think my life is going to be an absolute twister in 2025. I don't know next year where I'm going to live. It's not going to be Nashville. I think if you take a snapshot right now, this is Jason's life today, January 2025. January 2026, none of it looks the same. Okay. Location, things going on, what's happening in my life? Like, it is going to be a twister. And then all the dust is going to settle come like, my guess is like September, October.

And it's going to be great. Okay. I think 2025 is going to be the, like, most insane. insane year of my life. I, you say that with a smile on your face. So I am ready for this. Like, I'm ready to be. I think there's two reasons why. Okay. And I'm getting a shout out Mel Robbins. Okay. One part of this conversation, put the sword down. Yeah. I have a lot of resentment built up. I want to therapy about it because of previous relationships, things that were said that I never like got to like name what I was feeling. Right. Sword stuff. Yeah. I respect both of those relationships. I care so much about both of them. And even though there were things that happened that

I don't love or am appreciative of, it's okay. Like, it's okay. So put the sword down. And two is let them. Like, I've just learned, especially this past year, as you grow, like, as like your social media grows and all these things grow, there's more noise, there's more hate, there's more bullshit. I just this year, whenever, I just don't care.

I know I have people that really support me. I know I have people that hate me. I don't care. I just, like, it is what it is. This is who I am. Like, if you don't like it, whatever. I don't care. I'm sorry.

Like, it is what it. it is. This is who I am. And that's why this teaser for 22 and the 4 was so accurate because you said, go out there, take chances, don't be afraid of failure, care less about what people think. I did that. And as a result of that, I got more people that, like, became stronger followers and bigger. And I got people that become bigger haters. So we are going to get into all the things that you said, your growth, your monetary value, how all this has impacted your business. We're ramping it up. One of the themes for JTA 2024 is falling up on a lot of the things. that you did, you said you were going to do in

2024. Okay. So we are guilty on this podcast of maybe saying things in the recap they were going to do. Maybe we don't follow up on it. Like your crypto portfolio. I actually talked to my mother about that yesterday, right? Or that the power of positivity. Power positivity. We didn't follow up on that. Or, you know, there's a bunch of things that we've, you know, we at least were accountable

for it. But I'm going to make Jay follow up on a couple things that he said in JT, 23, for 24 to see if they came true. Okay. The first thing that I got is you said you wanted to try some hobbies in 2023 that turned into professions. Okay. Right? Hosting TV, dance lessons, boxing, jujitsu, acting lessons, piano lessons, more in the speaking

space, owning a non-sexy Brit mortar business. Any of those happen? Okay. I invested in a restaurant. That was kind of cool. Okay. Not the best idea, but we'll see how it does. I don't even know how it will do yet.

It comes out this year. Invested in a Broadway show. See how that goes. Okay. I took one acting class. Which was fascinating. That's it, though. It took one.

It was unbelievable. I did two classes in jujitsu. You did? I did. I did two classes. I'm impressed because of all the things, the vagus odds, the things you definitely did not try, jujitsu is top of my eyes. And it's like, it's a grind.

I like it, though. I might do more of it. Okay. But the problem is my priorities changed in 2024 for the people that I was with and my work. As life does. For the best. Yeah. And most of those things fell through.

Now, I was on a TV show. That was Tyler Cameron's show. I did a ton of TV stuff. We did Good Morning America. We did Jennifer Hudson. We do GMA 3. We did Forbes. We did CNN.

We did Fox. He did a ton of TV stuff. But a lot of those things are like hobbies, training in careers. I didn't do. Okay. I got one more question on the deep end before I get into the professional or it's a little more comfortable. It's a very broad one.

I think it's important. As we're on this talk, we've kind of led to it. If you could change one thing about your year, what would it be? And you can be as candid as possible. this was my year that I lost a lot of trust in people's words. I gave too many people, many people, too much trust early on without proving it with acts and I got burned and I got burned. And I got burned this year harder than I ever got burned with things like that.

Is there a professional take on that too? Yeah. Yeah. I'm not surprised by that in terms of this because I feel like you've always been someone who's given benefit of the doubt to people and you're always trying to, do right by everybody and you know sometimes it burns you so that makes sense so that's a that's a very valid statement for what you would change burned with words this year but a life lesson i would be told things and then the opposite would happen i said it on the ashley gersb podcast i just couldn't

i couldn't believe it so as a result of that i feel like i don't trust one word i hear anymore can i drill down on that if the listeners at home are on the edge of their seat like i would be on the of my seat if I could move. Can you give me an example of that? See, if he's silent, guys, I am doing my absolute job here as host of JTA 2024. I don't want to get into the I don't want to get into the specific example. That's fine. All right. Well, you know what? Money Mafia Roulette. Question roulette will probably make you get into specific example. So we are now, thank you, Jason, for that. Grab the bottle of champagne, refill it. We are moving into the performance. SILO. We are really going to focus on two main things in the professional silo. We're going to focus on the podcast and we're going to focus on the talent agency. And for those of you who are listening, obviously, your fans and listening of the podcast. So we hope that you find these interesting. Really quick, I always do the Spotify RAP takeaway. So I'm going to rifle those off really quick. Sixty one percent new listeners, 28 percent increase in overall listeners, a 47 percent increase in followers. We were in 105 countries last year.

14 countries this year. So we got nine new countries on the map. Welcome to training secrets, those new nine new countries. And my favorite Spotify rap is Mama Kaluch, episode number 200, the number one most commented episode that we had across all platforms. So any, any quick overview response to the numbers there? When I just hear the countries, it blows my mind. I'm like, how is that actually possible? Couldn't even name 114 countries if you gave me all there. Could you name 14? I'm well season. I got some standards my passport. I was just kidding. But no, it was a great year. It was a fun year. We had some unbelievable guests and we got to take that momentum to this year. I'm blown away by those numbers. It's so funny because we do this, we do the JTA every year. And for like, since 2022, in the back of my head, I'm like, we're not going to make it to next year. No. We're not like there's not like there's not. Like I didn't think there would be a JTA going in at 2025. So, hey, we're still here. And I'll be honest. I don't think there's going to be a JTA. TA next year, but like, we'll see what we have.

If we throw the spaghetti enough times, one of them is going to stick, and that's just what we're doing every week. But, hey, one thing that we should be proud of is we still, in four and a half years of doing this, have never skipped a Monday. Never. We've never, never, not one Monday. Never. We haven't.

I've sometimes had to hop in on the ad reads. Sometimes we're not able to do the recaps, but we have never, ever skipped a Monday, and that's something we should be really proud. By the time this comes out, probably 220 episodes and not one Monday every miss. One of the things with the Spotify Rapt, I was a little disappointed in was the detail and almost like presentation of it. I know maybe the people at home who get it for their Spotify music. And I was told this because AI completely took over and presenting and collecting the information for Spotify RAPT. AI, scary thing.

I don't know anything about it. Maybe I should. If I did, I'd probably get my crypto out because I feel like in a way they're correlated. Have you experienced AI in your life business professionally, personally, personally in a positive way or a negative way? Positive. I use it every day. Really? I use it every single thing.

Tell me more. I use it for everything. I use it to write my emails. I use it for research. I use it for automation of forecasting budget. I use it for this year. We're testing right now an AI tool in which we take this YouTube video. We put it in the AI tool and it will cut 10 clips they think is viral.

Come on. Yeah. AI literally can take things that would take human capital two to three hours. It can be done in 10 minutes. 10 seconds sometimes. Am I Kodak right now? Your Kodak. I'm just stuck in your sinking ship.

Film is... Now, here's the problem. Okay. The problem when it comes to reaching... We're talking about the creator business. Yeah. You're going to get creators now. You're going to get influencers.

You're going to get hosts. You're going to get everything that are like AI individuals. And they're going to be better than I am. They're going to be better than anyone's out there at connecting, at being vulnerable, at saying the right things because they're going to know what's viral because they're getting so much information. And there's going to be a point where gen alphas and the kids of today are following AI robots.

They're engaging with AI robots. They're not engaging with people anymore because those AI robots are going to be able to give them more than what a human can. It's not happening yet, but it's on its way and it's coming. Yeah. It's crazy right now. I might have to move on from this topic. Yeah, hebe-jee-jee's big time when I hear about it. Go next.

But the fact that you're using it is great. Using it every day. Okay. We are truly oil and vinegar sometimes. It's oil and water, buddy. Oh, Jesus Christ. Maybe I'm thinking of the bread. It's 2025.

This is why it works. I'm hungry, so let's move on to the top episodes from the podcast in 2024. Do you know them off by hard? Can you give him a shot? Maybe say top five. I know Hannah Godwin was a good one. Six. Nick Viall was a good one. What else? What do you got? Justin Suzy, number one. Justin and Susie, number one, Jenna Johnson, number two, Nick Viall, number three, Savannah, Chrissley, number four, Joey and Kelsey number five, Hannah Godwin, number six. JTA, 2023, number seven. Now, I want to let everyone know, this is when you combine YouTube views and downloads.

The number one audio download was Hannah Godwin, but when you put in the YouTube views, which, for business perspective, when we're pitching to podcast advertisers, they want to know the downloads of audio and YouTube views, and that's what it is considered. You know, or do you have a guess of what the number one Justin Susie episode did for views? I'm going to guess $120,000? $162,380, which is almost double. Yeah. Now, what's crazy is like our clips on social media for those episodes will do like two to three million impressions.

Wow. But the listener of an audio, because it's long form, the value is so much more significant than a 20 second clip. Right. Just to give anybody like the business side of it. One thing maybe we're not so proud of, but I am proud that we tried it is we did try two episodes a week. Yeah, we did. We gave it a go. Yeah, we gave it a really good shot. Talk about that a little bit. What did you like? What did you didn't like? Did it help or hurt downloads? Did it help or hurt our rate of ads? Did it help or hurt revenue? It helped with downloads. Okay.

Because we got more downloads per month. Right. It helped with revenue because we had more places to cycle in ad spots. Okay. Where it hurt was identity. Like our podcast had a very, very strong identity. It still does. But we got a little lost with what's the difference between Tuesday, Tuesday, Monday,

when people are listening. What are they listening to? We got a little inconsistent with it. Two episodes a week for any podcast that does it. Unbelievable. It is so, you know, Nick Vial has three a week. It is unbelievably hard. And if you're going to do it, you have to be so dialed in with exactly what you're doing

and you have to have infrastructure. Right now, I just didn't have the time to do it. I'm glad we did it. It was fun to do it. But we're going to stick to one a week until further notice. My last question is, would you ever try it again? Possibly. But the problem is we're not covering day-to-day news.

Right. So it's not like we walk in and we have topics of trends and we're talking about what we think about those. We're taking high-profile people, which are very hard to track down, sitting with them one-on-one, with a full studio, in talking about what they make, how they make it, where they earn, how they got to where they are. You can't do that every day. If we started to move to a pop culture podcast or a finance podcast where we're taking what's hot in the news that day and giving opinions, we could do it five times a day. Some of the issues are logistics and actual the topics that we're covering. Can I, I'm going to bring up, not can I, I can do whatever I want.

I'm the host of the show right now. You are the house. That's your rules. We have discussed, and I would love to get the people's at home's opinion on this, we have discussed the recaps, right? My involvement, my personal involvement in the podcast. We have discussed changing the recaps into maybe getting rid of the recaps. Yeah.

And instead of the recaps, adding a once a month episode, so you'd get three guests and then you'd get the one episode in full form, just like today of just Jason and I. Yeah. And it would be very much, think Jason. but not so numbers base and more just like two guys talking updating you guys about Jay's life talking personally professionally and financially about his life and as we all want getting him to open up a little more we've talked about doing that it's ebbs and flows i think people really like the recaps so

talk through that a little bit and how you see that in terms of maybe my involvement our involvement and in ideas that we might have for 2025 for efficiency it would be better to take their recap and just do one episode a month of you and I bantering about the episodes and what we're doing. We did hear some comments that people didn't want that. So we're trying to figure out what the best thing is for the show as we continue to make the main episode, of course, the main entree. Another thing we're thinking is like, do we once a month bring in, I would love to get a woman's perspective for this podcast?

So do we bring in the third person. Do we do one episode where it's just me, you and one other person? Do we continue to recap? Who is that person? So what I'll ask you guys, go give us five stars. let us know do we take the three recaps and just make it one episode with david and i bantering do we keep the recap and if we were to add a woman personality onto the show who do you think it would be give us five stars let us know all right we're in the rapid fire section of podcast related questions go i say rapid

fire i want like 10 seconds or less go total podcast revenue 24 it was around 400 grand okay so that's up about 12 percent what guests would you like to see in 2025 we're in buffalo so i want josh allen yes i would love to do a full circle moment back with Hannah Burner who has absolutely murdered it from the first time we had her on. Yes. I would love a dream would be to have Dwayne Johnson on. Wow. I mean, I don't know, man. I'm like, I'm like fumbling right now. That's good. Those are three really good ones. I'm going to, we talked about this, Spencer Pratt, Spencer and Heidi. We could have Spencer Pratt. Yeah. I think he's really interesting. And shout out thoughts and prayers to all the people affected by the wildfires in L.A. Yeah. He's been very vulnerable with his own comedic flare

through it all just kind of like self-deprecating is his brand I would love to have them on to hear about their businesses and now the current state of their life I love that that's a good one what is one goal you have for the podcast in 2025 let's do a live show thank you we don't fall through on a lot of things yeah can we promise that if we don't do any live shows JTA is live yeah the reason we didn't do a live show last time is because we did the book tour which was eight cities eight stops which were eight live shows and we sold all those out yeah we're going to do a live show this year this summer consider it done Okay, will you be podcasting in five years?

Again, pauses are great. Pauses are good for me. Pauses followed by sips of champagne are even better for me. Yes. Okay, love it. What is your end game of podcasting? I'm crushing everything. I think what platform people are using their voice is going to change.

Podcasting is just a platform that people use their voice. And so I think the end game is just continuing to use my voice, whatever that is. This week, we're going, Monday morning flying out to New York Stock Exchange to talk about the TikTok band. Then right after that, we're going on Fox talking about personal finance tips. Later in the week, we're doing a career navigation on an ABC show. So it's continuing to use your voice. And so I think the end game is whatever it might be to use my voice on whatever platform it is on the subject matter that's important to me.

What percent of time does the podcast take in your life? On a week-to-week basis, I'd say 12%. What's the number one ROI for you about doing the podcast? The people that come on, the network, and then the deals that come that are because I have a top 30 business podcast, right? Like, we got a great capital one deal. And that was from the book and the business podcast because that's part of my brand now, right? TurboTax, huge deals this past year. Love working with Intuit QuickBooks.

That is from the brand that comes from being a top 30 business podcast host. So that is the most, that's the biggest R.O.I is having a tool that creates a brand that allows for other opportunities, if that makes sense. It does make sense. Speaking at Keller Williams headquarters, like, are they in their annual review or Procter & Gamble's headquarters and all their CMOs? Part of the reason on my credentials is that I'm a podcast business host. So yeah, that's the best part. Big time R.O. there. Other than connecting with you every week, which is fun great. Yeah, which is phenomenal. Let me tell you.

You said that in 2024, you wanted to be more vulnerable, share your personal life now that you were single. People want you to open up more and get more perspective from him. Did you do a good enough job of that in 2024? I wasn't single for long in 2024. I did that. I thought I did that well with my actual relationship. And obviously that came back to bite me a little bit. Are we going to continue that theme and mantra for 2025?

I'm going to go on the record and say no. Oh, come on. I'm going to try to peel it out of you. All right, peel it out of me. I've just gotten so burned opening it all up. Yeah. The reason I felt safe so much opening so much is because I felt so strong. Yes.

And I felt so safe. Right. Until I didn't feel safe. And that was like that. Correct. Now, that was more of your own social media, not necessarily the podcast. Both, probably. I would say both.

If we go once a month, we're going to get in the little weeds a little more. Last question on the podcast that I have. for you in JTA 2023 you gave your talent agency a letter grade of F minus for selling into the podcast ads you said the rest of 2024 is going to be a focus did the agency sell better into the podcast what letter grade would you give the agency for selling into the podcast Evan I hope you are listening to this we're going to give a C plus B minus okay they sold in a little bit not as much as I would like but they sold in a little bit they're doing much more package deals now okay When you asked me about my end game for podcasting, the dream would be to build a studio and then build an actual network and exit a network with the agency. So on all the pillars, that would be the end goal. The more I'm seeing about podcasting, it's becoming so oversaturated. And I'm seeing people are monetizing in different ways and better ways than just the audio ads. And so I don't know if a network would be the right player right now.

And look at this guy talking about building a network to pair with the agency, to sell it off as we transition. position into rewired talent agency questions for JTA 24. Okay, fire away. Rewire talent agency, gross revenue, 2024. And just for the viewers at home, we've done this every year since the talent agency started. Two and a half million, 2022. 2022, 23, you said you crushed your revenue goals and you're at four and a half to five million.

Where are you at 2024? We more than tripled, right? Yeah, it's an eight-figure business now. Wow. Yeah. Agency is ripping. Congratulations. Cheers to that.

Cheers. It was a great year. We grew significantly this year. Well, we love to celebrate success on this podcast with our guests. You are my guest. So congratulations for that. Honor to be here. Love that.

So you heard it there first eight figure business. Now, you obviously. I want to say this, though, what I'm most proud of is what we're doing. Yes. We're working with people at all different levels. We're going with big A-list celebrities, A-less actors. We're working with unscripted stars, but we're doing different. deals. We're going with Fortune 100, Fortune 500 companies. We just booked a subway commercial

for a very well-known personality. We're doing things that are different from the people that were competitors two, three years ago, who are no longer competitors to us. Right. That is awesome. And most of the people that you work with are influencers, would you say? Or what percentage are influencers? It's all over. I mean, so like in the world of this space now, like the word influencers, like we don't say it anymore. Yeah. Creators. Sorry. Sorry. Creators. So let me ask you. No, but like I would say our creators are probably like 50% and the other 50% are like, we're working because we're boutique in the fact that we're an agency and talent management

company. So like we'll do a deal with people that you see on TV right now commenting for the NFL playoffs through their agents. Oh, okay. So we'll source an opportunity, go to their agents. Their agents are happy because an opportunity came to them. And then they'll do the deal with the end talent. So it's a very unique hybrid right now, which is fun.

How has influencer marketing changed in your opinion? from starting the agency in 2022 to now in 2025? I mean, the market cap, the business side of the influencer space, the creator space, has grown significantly. Wow. The amount of dollars that are going into this space are huge, and it's strictly because of the business side of it. Forever listening to the business side of it has changed significantly because it's just

a distribution channel, right? You just think about a billboard on the side of the road. A billboard is going to be priced based on how many people and what the demographic is of those people and where it is are. looking at the billboard. Everything on social media now is a billboard. And so you have all the analytics to the impressions, the people engaging, where they're engaging from, what their age or what the demographics are. And those numbers are increasing significantly. So money from businesses are being flooded into all the social media platforms. So it's grown. The problem is

there's oversaturation. People are doing the same skits, the same things. There's so many influencers now. And what happens is what people are getting paid are changing significantly because there are so many people out there that are looking for opportunities and deals. It's changing literally by the second, but you can't ignore it anymore. And it doesn't matter what capacity you're in, whether you're running for president or you are running for a community spot on a board or you want to be involved in a non-for-profit or even if like you're a professor like everyone has to have a social media presence now if you have something to say that's impactful needs to be hurt it just you have to be out there and how much better is in

2025 being in this space in 2018 when you really made the decision to leave the corporate banking world to get into this where you felt so maybe insecure about saying this is what you did for a living like you said it's not going anywhere it's a fabric of our life it's part of society do you feel a little bit more i don't want to say prideful about it but maybe a little more like happy to speak that you are in this industry? I think people get it more now. Like when I say I own an agency, people are like, oh, that's cool. When I say it, I do it when I'm like, I'm a creator myself, people are like, what does that mean? Like, what does that actually mean? It still has a massive stigma. This industry still has a massive stigma. And some people are so hesitant to come on.

But some of these big creators with like big following, with big engagement, they're making more than a lot of athletes, you know. People are making so much. much money in this space and no one I still feel like people aren't talking about as much and the people that are talking about what they make aren't the ones that are actually making the big big dollars in this space but it's it's crazy what's happening out here it's always like that though in any industry athletes we know how much they make but it's the money behind the scenes and industries where we don't know where you know a lot of people are making money oh yeah a couple rapid fires quick on the town agency biggest area of growth that you saw year over year

Size of the deals are going up. Okay. And the type of companies that are getting involved are going up. Prediction for the agency in 2025. It's going to be really tough to be last year. Yeah. And the other thing with this space is we have not had one economic pullback. There was an economic pullback, of course, with COVID.

But the thing is, is all the marketing dollars that were spent on billboards and everything, went towards social. We haven't seen economic pullback. I think we might see a little economic pullback in 2025, which will impact the speed at which people spend. and I also think there was a huge gap of inefficiency where companies were spending money they didn't realize they were spending. And now it's going to get more efficient. So I think I have a feeling that 2025 is going to be a little bit harder. So I have a feeling we're going to come back in 26. And I'm going to tell you it was a tougher year for the agency. I think we're going to grow. I want to like acquire. I want to get involved. I want to find other lines of

business. But it's going to be a battle this year. I hope that you don't. I hope that you continue to crush and we come back and say jaw dropping numbers for 2025. But to follow up in 23, you said for the talent, see, your goal was either grow, merge, or acquire. Okay, you obviously grew. That's number one. Did any other two happen? We did not merge or acquire now. So TBD, TBD.

So we have closed the silo of the professional version of JTA 2024. And now we're going to move into the personal. So a little bit of a sweat, a little bit of a sweat. It's something that we've done every year. I find it intriguing, which means our hopefully as the voice of the view, our listeners does as well. we want to go over just your growth on all platforms okay so i don't know if you have some of these numbers where i'm going to ask you about your your insight the last 90 days on your social okay but we're going to talk about growth on your channels and i'm just going to rip it off really

quick you went from ticot you almost gained 100 000 followers from 202 to 2902 which is about doubled the amount that you grew the year prior instagram went from 8708000 to 977000 again almost a 5x growth from the year before. Your Twitter actually gained followers only by 3,000, but the year before you had lost followers. Your YouTube subs went from 20K to 30K, which is more than the year before. Trading Secret Instagram went from 150K to 161K,

similar to growth from the year before. And then your LinkedIn went from 10.7, grew by 1,000 followers from 10.7 to 11.8, and your threads almost doubled from 81 to 155K. My main question for you on that. First off, congratulations. Thanks. Evan's growing up.

That's good. That's what we like to see in the business world. Is there a conscious effort from you for growth strategy? Or is your thought process content, content, content? Or is it, I'm just going to be me and it'll grow naturally? There wasn't as much of an intentional growth strategy. It was just like, at this space is getting so good and people are getting so much better. So just pay attention more to what people are doing and try and adopt different editing strategies and hook strategies.

And everyone, by the way, everyone's doing that. Whoever says they're not, they're just straight up lying. Like anyone who's really good in this space, they're spending time with people who are strategizing on everything. Like the lighting, the audio, the hooks, the storyline, the arcing, everything. It's all being pre-produced. Everything is. But the idea is, is it still being pre-produced? But when someone enjoys it, they're really enjoying what's being put out there.

So, yeah, I mean, there's a lot of effort that goes into that. It sounds like from that answer that it's not so much a gross strategy as it is like keeping up, like keeping up with almost the demand or keeping up with the trends or just being, finding a way to be a little more like efficient with it so that it's maximized when you're doing it. It's just changed. Like back in 2018, 19, 20, you could post one photo every three, four days. Right. If you're doing that today, you're dead and water.

And you have to be putting up. You have to be telling your story. Every day in stories. You have to be putting up and creating really thoughtful, engaging videos, which is hard. And like it's a lot of work. Like every day if you think about it, you're creating, you're writing, you're scripting, you're editing, you're producing, you're posting. And if you're doing it good, like some of the really good ones, like a Haley Bailey, who's doing literally 10 videos that are going viral a day, you're never not. You're never not. working. It's 24-7. So it's just changed. I can't even think of a caption for a post that I post once every three months. And it's on my kid who I should know inside and out. So I totally get that. Out of 10, what is your priority level for growing your socials? Because now the game, it doesn't matter what you're doing, your value of like when you go speak in a place. Your black media episode. It's whatever it is, it's all connected to what your social engagement is. So right now, I say social media is probably going into 2025. It's like a, it's like an 8 out of 10.

Okay. Oh, it's higher than I thought. Yeah. Question, what would you rather grow other than your socials or your bank account? When the lottery shut all socials down. Never go back. What would you rather grow in your life other than your socials or your bank account? Like every, like those would be on like the bot.

Like I want to grow everything. Physically I want to grow. Mentally I want to grow. I want to find a partner. Yeah. I want to find out where I'm going to live. I don't even know where I'm live. Yes.

I want to grow a million things before I grow those. Okay. Okay. Well, that's... My life, I'm 36. You've got to figure it out here. Well, you have it. You're figuring it out.

Don't be so hard on yourself. There's certain things in life I got that are doing well. Yeah. And there's other things that are like all over the place. Well, would you say that you're growing as a person you're over here? Yeah. Oh, dude. What I know today versus what I do last year?

Oh, 100%. Yeah. But it's just like how many, like how many times you got to get in the ring and get knocked to how before you get in the ring and you win a belt. I know that we're on personal finance, but this is a personal question. It just fits the mood and I got a couple of champagne in me. Are you dating again?

Yeah, yeah, yeah. Okay. Like dating and going on and dates? Yeah. Okay, good. Well, we love that for you. What do you think about that? Well, I obviously knew the answer to that question because I'm your best friend,

so I just had to put it out there for the people. So back door to eating that, I think it's good. You want to find a partner. You want to raise a family. You want to have kids. Yeah. The only way to do that is a date, right? And you go on dates and if you like the person,

keep going on dates with them. It doesn't work out. It doesn't work out. Sometimes it might be a second date. Sometimes it might be I'm going to pack on my life to move to Florida, right? But you got to get out there. So the fact that you're dating, it's important in this process. I know everyone listening to this podcast. I hope if you're not cheering for him, stop listening. No, keep listening to the podcast. But we're all rooting for you in that sense. So it's good to hear that you're back. You're at on 2025. Good things. Not on dating apps or anything, but no. No. No. So that's good. All right, the thing that used to give you a little bit of cringe, maybe it doesn't

any now, your total revenue this year from your social, from your appearances, from speaking for, let's say the Jason Tartick brand. And before I preface this, you made less than 2023 than you did in 2022. And we'll get into the details while. And I'll ask you about that. But do you have the overall, the overall revenue across all platforms for the Jason Tardick brand? Well, I haven't, I have an idea. What is your overall?

how much should you make on your socials? How much should you make on the Jason Tartick brand? Take the agency out of it. This doesn't include agency. This is social platforms. This is speaking events. This is public appearances. This is all that bread and butter.

No podcast. No talent agency. Okay. I'd like to give a little business behind it. Okay. Your pages are, again, distribution channels, right? Right. This past year, my Instagram page probably did around 600 million impressions.

Okay. I thought you were going to say dollars. I was going to pop another bottle shamp. No, no. I tried. Yeah, right. And the TikTok probably did around like 150 million impressions. Okay. So between all socials, you're talking close to a billion impressions. Right. Nuts. So the revenue is all going to be correlated to what is your brand, what is your PR power, and what are the total amount of impressions that you're making on your distribution channels. And as a result of that, those numbers are all up. I expect. There's a lot to happen this past year. There's a lot. There's a big mental cost when you're doing that many impressions.

And for people that are doing more, it's even a bigger mental cost. And there's a lot of good with the bat. So that's like the business side behind why revenue was up this significantly this year. It was up significantly in those spaces because of those numbers. Right. But for the personal stuff, it was, it was in the $2 to $3 million. Wow. Yeah, that's like taxable.

So that's like after expenses and everything. Wow. Yeah. Wow. Well, good thing we established a steak dinner after this JTA episode because I might have to take you up on that after that. Congratulations, by the way. Thank you. Cheers to that.

Celebrate successes. JTA 2024. If I'm going to make him sweat, I'm going to cheers. My back is sweating right now. I just want to say, I say over here. I hate sharing this stuff because instantly you share this stuff and it comes judgment. It comes with expectations. It comes with X, Y, and Z. I will stop you right

there and say, we ask our guests. I hate it. I hate it. We ask our guests to share the exact same information that you're sharing. So if you don't leave from the front, we are a Fugazi fraud podcast. Yeah. We are called Trading Lies instead of Trading Secrets. Yeah. And here we are. And we've had

years where it's like super down. I've had years where it's up. It's, I've spent all over. It's a good story to tell me four and a half years into this. It's the other thing, too. I'm going to tell you. It's like, you make money and it's a beautiful like half of it take half of it's gone yeah or you have it's gone or you or you make money and you're crying on the floor for a month of the year literally yeah and david's picking me up like you're shelly yourself i don't even know you anymore i remember one time

i came to you complaining about like a relationship thing you're like i don't know who you are anymore yes you yelled at me i said i said i think my direct quote is you'll know that you're supposed to be with the person that you're supposed to be with when you stop calling me and asking me about these types of things that you're experiencing. Because when you meet the person you're supposed to be with, you will never deal with that circumstance or situation ever getting your entire life. But with the money thing, though, it comes in, it comes out. It comes in. 50% is gone. Your expenses go up because there's a lot more opportunities. So revenue goes up. Spences go up. Tax goes up. I expect this year to be down significantly. Okay. Yeah. Lifeline's good.

Like right now I have about a million dollar pipeline of deals. I expect, though, it's going to be a, because I'm, as long as, I'm less focused this year. I'm like, I'm like, more focused than the other stuff. Yeah, life. Life stuff. Happiness. I got to figure it out. Yeah, it's good.

We'll get to that. Really quick, rapid fire. You ready for this? Go. Biggest deal you did in 2024. It was around a half a million. That's all I'm going to tell you. I can't tell you the brand.

Okay. You're doing one of those, those guest things that really can't contract. We have confidentiality. Yeah, all right. Yeah. Well, those usually go away with me and you in our conversations. But I guess for this sake, it's not just me and you. It's me and you and 100,000 other people.

What was your most rewarding deal of 2024? The book tour deal. Okay. Awesome. Capital One Cafe. Shout out. What was your biggest spend? The amount of the money I spent in restaurants is nauseating.

Yeah. Just because I've never met home. I knew you were going to ask that question. I didn't buy any. Like, I can't think of anything I bought. This is your last personal finance question before you get in the personal questions. In JTA, 2020, three, you said that you did an S&P tax relief fund. You invested $250,000 for it.

How is that fund doing? I just wanted to follow up on it. Is it doing well in 2024? Yeah, it's up over 20% in 2034. Also, this past year, we did invest it into an AI fund and a couple of BlackRock funds. So it was a good year of deploying capital and letting the professionals do what they do best. Because when you don't have time to do it, you just got to let those people do it. so reluctant for years to let other people do it and I'm so glad I did you talked a lot about that

in GTA 2023 about how you finally let go of that and let these because your time was so spent let people manage your money and make money on your money which is great do you have any other big investments outside of this that you care to share from 2024 no those are the big one was this G squared fund and it was all AI so I put 250 grand into this AI fund so that's why it's like I asked it earlier you're telling me now you tell me it's making you money so here we go. But I would say the biggest thing right now is like on cash, most people, you can earn four to, like, you can go to competitive banks and earn three to six percent on cash, three to five percent. So you can't sit on cash at zero percent right now. If you can't, you're falling behind. And if you're in credit card debt, you got to find a way to get yourself out. I say the avalanche or the snowball model, because right now if you're accumulating that 20, 30 percent and everyone else is making five to six percent, your margin for where you're falling behind is becoming deeper and deeper every day. every day. And we do have the credit card points guy coming on. He's coming back on. He's coming back on. We'll talk more about credit card day. We'll talk about more about how to pay it off. We'll talk about more on

that. And now, unfortunately, we have to get into the personal questions. And this is something that I know, like you said, you put up the question box. People want to know, I would say, what would say the percentages between business and personal? I'd say personal is like 90%. Yeah, I was going to say 80-20, but it's about 90-10. I got a couple of phone. all up questions first from last year and then we'll get into this year. In JTA 2023, you talked about the biggest financial mistake or misstep you had was all to do with real estate. You said that you had invested in it, but you had none for yourself for better part of the word. I still rent the same home that I rented when my last relationship ended because there's been a lot of change,

right? Yeah. So engagement ended, rented this home. Then I was going to move to New York. And And then there was a weird position I was put in that I wouldn't be able to go to New York anymore. Okay. But it was with the dogs. Okay. And then I was no longer in New York. And then I met Kat from Tampa. Then I was going to go to Tampa.

And that no longer became a reality. Okay. And now I'm still in that home. Okay. And now what I'm highly considering is I'm done with Nashville and I'm highly considering having a place in Florida and having a place in New York. Where in Florida? East Coast side, like Miami, Del Rey, Fort Lauderdale, somewhere in there. So you asked her my question, what's the plans for 2025 and you just answered them.

That's what it looks like. But it's going to be a twister year. Yeah, twister. Yeah, moving around. We're good. Okay, I love it. Last year we solved the Internet mystery that you were 5'9. Okay.

We solved that last year. That I'm not 5'9. Correct. It was floating around there. I had to ask you about it. What's your best day, worst day? 24. Don't got to go in depth. You paint a picture for us. We're at home. We're flipping through the book. It's a picture book. I want you to paint the picture. Your best day, your worst day, your worst day was Christmas. Okay. Awesome. Love that. Worst day was. Don't ever think it. Picture book. It was. Receiving a phone call. I wish it was a phone call. Receiving mobile device that your life is changing as you know. Yeah, there you go. Okay. Next question is. what is one training secret from our guests in 2024 that you're bringing in 2025?

And let me preface this with this is the last question before we get into Money Mafia, Question Roulette. So as you're thinking about this, get your phone hot, get it ready. We're going to end this awesome episode of JTA 2024 with Money Mafia question roulette. And Jason, as I do that, and I've been some time to think about it. What is one trading secret from our guests that you're bringing into 2025? I'm just going to take one that came top of mind, which I liked from the apartment guy. The apartment guys had massive success. He said something that just threw me.

And he said, step into the cringe. And I was like, what? Like, who does? He's like, everyone's so judgmental these days. Everyone's afraid to step left, right, back or center. And he's like, the people right now that are getting rewarded are the people that have no fear and doing whatever they want. And a lot of the times what happens is when you do something that people are judging, they're

calling it cringe. They're calling it cringe because they have internal resentment or extra. journal longing and he says who cares step into it because those are the people that are being rewarded well you know what's funny about that is i often feel like people on social media those people who lean into it they get the most views because it's actually what other people are feeling they actually resonate with that they actually relate to that they actually want to see that and be a part of that so i always feel like that that's a really really interesting part of it and i think of some people who have done like a really really good job of it like you said

the apartment guy like going up on the street asking people how much they pay for rent like people who just don't give a fuck on social media obviously i follow bars to like a day porn or like people who just are on that edge of like being like just themselves and like not worrying what people think like it just attracts eyeballs because people want to see what they're doing next well david you have a whole lot of questions here and you can just scroll through those pick one okay i'm showing you what we're doing this is the question box i'm just going to filter through these questions oh my gosh there's a lot of them Swiping, swiping, so no one could see that in the line. Okay.

What would be the one thing that you would give up in your career or your lifestyle to find your wife and settle down? Everything. I'd give it all up. You would leave me high and drive. I would leave it all. If you told me I got my family tomorrow, I'm done. I'm good.

Okay. I'll go back and work at the bank for God's sake. Okay. I'd give it all up. You give it all up. All of it. You know what? When we were driving here, you said it's so great.

to be back in Buffalo, seeing all my friends, I'm seeing all their kids run around. And you, like, you're the happiest I've seen you. And I'm just so happy. And I said to you, I was like, it's probably because you're seeing people in their natural habitat and they're just, like, doing it. And they're happy and they're successful. And I know that you crave that. Cram it.

So it's spent out of eight years of this stuff. I'm like, I don't know. We'll see. Keep going. When is the last time? Oh, God. That's a floated question. You saw the dogs.

these people this is this is this is a good question when do you think it is uh the lot well i don't know exactly but um my guess would be when your last relationship started is that accurate i was supposed to see them twice in june and i wasn't allowed to And that I engaged several pet experts, one being their vet, attorneys, therapists, and the best decision for the dogs based on messages I received was to put them in the place to keep them where they're at. Okay. If you, it's been a long grieving process of the dogs. I haven't seen them since the end of May. I won't see him again.

I didn't get to say goodbye to them. And this is a, this is probably a larger discussion for a larger time. A big dark cloud just came to this room of shadowing the bright lights that are on us recording right now. Yeah. Pick this up another time. Okay. Will you get a dog in 2025? I would love to.

Okay. I love this question. Mason, are you happy? I honestly am the happiest ever about it. I know that you're not lying. Yeah. Because I spend every waking, you know, we talk every single day. Yeah.

And there was a time in your life where this year, where it wasn't, you're happy. Yeah. Last couple of years has been a roller coaster. I've learned a lot. I've grown a lot. I've grieved a lot, especially last year. I lost a lot last year. I gained a lot too.

Yeah. And I'm excited about 2025. I always say that we are put on this planet from birth to death to experience all of it. all of the emotions. So if you're having the worst day of your life, you're able to still experience emotions that you were put on this planet to experience. And the fact that you've gone through that

a little too much lately in the last two years, I'm looking forward to JTA 2025 where you can reflect on some, you know, maybe some shinier and brighter and sunnier moments with more butterflies and more rainbows. But if we don't, that's just part of life. And we'll be here to wrap it up and discuss it all. So from the bottom of my heart, thank you very much for letting me

sit in this chair, four and a half years doing it. It's been an absolute pleasure. I'm grateful for you. I'm grateful for our friendship. I'm grateful for the podcast. I'm grateful for the listeners. I'm grateful for our team who makes it all happen. But here's me make bad jokes on our trading secrets calls every Tuesday. So thank you to the team. But that's just an honor to do this with you. No, it is. Like, this is a dream come true. Sit here across a best friend and talk about these things all the years in front of the camera and behind the camera, the tears, the laughs, all the things, like, we're going to look back at this one day when we're, like, sitting in wheelchairs, just being like, dude, do you remember that year?

Do you remember what happened there? And, like, to me, there's no substitute than that. Like, you think about all the things that happens and who cares about the money, this, that all it means fucking nothing. It's like the memories, the friendships, the laughs, the cries, and the times you're at the lowest, the only thing that matters is someone who's seen a lot of lows as far as as just like personal stuff lately it's just the only thing that matters is like the people that you're surrounded by and like the love that you have that will bring you back up and

so that's what it's all about we talk a lot about money and career and that stuff's important to support the people you love but at the end of the day it's all about the people you love it's all about the people you love I know that better than anybody my son grows up every single day and I see him after hockey road trips and he's twice his eyes and he's the bubbliest happiest guy ever and I know that you want that. It'll be there for you and just looking

forward to 2025. For you, for the podcast, if you're listening, I am the host of this podcast. I'm going to hang on to that for another 30 seconds. Let's go. Make sure that you go subscribe. You give us five stars. We threw a lot at you today. Go in the comments, go in the reviews. Do you like the

recaps? Would you rather see one of these once a month? Would you rather see a combo? Do you you miss two episodes a week or do you like the podcast just the way it is and last thing to shout out you killed it david the brand hive buffalo we're at the best podcast studio in buffalo new york they stayed a little longer for us today we started a little late thank you guys if you're doing a podcast in buffalo check out brand hive buffalo remember to subscribe to trading secrets anything you want to leave us with happy 24 that it's closed let's all look forward to 2025 as she's got all these weird things she's doing around the house to get more money and fortune into the house.

We got cinnamon sticks over the doors. We got a couple of other things. We're manifesting big things. I got the one, the only, Lubba, Ardwin, my mother on the hunt for my crypto. So if there's anyone that's going to solve this mystery for me, it's that. It's that. Love her death. I love the listeners.

Love you, Jay. And I think she'll let me do this for another year. JTA, 2024. That is a rap. Living that dream, making that money, money, pay on me, making that money, living that money, living that dream.