Trading Secrets - 230. Brynn Whitfield: How she landed being in the RHONY cast, being a standup creative, balancing a full-time job in tech outside of reality tv, and diving into her mindset on money and relationships

Episode Date: April 14, 2025

This week, Jason is joined by entrepreneur, marketing professional, and more notable, a personality on Bravo’s Real Housewives of New York City, Brynn Whitfield! Brynn joined the rebooted cast of RHONY, which wrapped up in January. Prior to diving into reality TV, Brynn worked on an award-winning campaign for global campaigns of the largest companies managing and executing strategic media relations programs for clients spanning Shell Oil, Unilever, Johnson & Johnson, and many tech-based companies. More recently, Brynn co-founded a dating app strictly for college students called Hoppy.  Brynn gets candid about how The Real Housewives of New York discovered her, her complicated relationship with tech, and prepping for her Zoom interviews for RHONY. She shares which character she’s often compared to, spending more on DoorDash than she earned in her first season, and why her professional life stays off-camera. As the only full-time working Housewife, she opens up about financial security, relationship accountability, prenups, NYC money mindset, and what she loves to splurge on—plus, rapid-fire cast questions, pitching a dating app idea to a Bumble founder, and her go-to advice for negotiation. Brynn reveals all this and so much more in another episode you can’t afford to miss! Host: Jason Tartick Co-Host: David Arduin Audio: John Gurney Guest: Brynn Whitfield Stay connected with the Trading Secrets Podcast!  Instagram: @tradingsecretspodcast  Youtube: Trading Secrets Facebook: Join the Group All Access: Free 30-Day Trial  Trading Secrets Steals & Deals! Boll & Branch: Boll & Branch products are made different, so you can sleep better at night. Woven with the finest 100% organic cotton on earth. Feel the difference an extraordinary night’s sleep can make with Boll & Branch. Get 15% off, plus free shipping on your first set of sheets, at BollAndBranch.com/tradingsecrets  Cymbiotika: Cymbiotika is changing the game when it comes to supplements. Their liquid packets are more effective, convenient, and go wherever you go. ​Cymbiotika is as clean as it gets—no seed oils, preservatives, or artificial junk. Just high-quality, real ingredients that actually do something. Go to Cymbiotika.com/tradingsecrets for 20% off + free shipping today Indeed: Stop struggling to get your job post seen on other job sites. Indeed's Sponsored Jobs help you stand out and hire fast. There's no need to wait any longer-speed up your hiring right now with Indeed. Get a $75 SPONSORED JOB CREDIT to get your jobs more visibility at Indeed.com/SECRETS

Welcome back to another episode of Trading Secrets. I'm your host, Jason Tardick, and welcome to the pre-market trading segment. I'm going to tell you a little bit about what you can expect from today's episode and guest. It's a fun one and an update from the market and something going on in my personal life. I got Teddy jumping on me as we speak. He says hello too. also if you can make sure to give us five stars we would so appreciate it we're actually i'm going through a move right now right so i'm giving things away from the PR influencer closet so this week gen w you left a review on apple five stars thank you so much shoot us an email trading secrets at jason

tardick dot com i have a gift for you and if you're listening to this go give us a review and maybe next week you will win now this week's episode oh my gosh i'll tell you a lot of action so Oftentimes, you might rate an episode at Trading Secrets, G or PG. This one, I will call it PG-13, maybe touching on R. You guys know Bryn Whitfield from Real Housewives of New York. A lot of energy, a lot of action, very entertaining. She says things for shock value. And yes, there are some very good financial takeaways, too.

But there's a lot of takes that, you know, I don't agree with. But it's okay. That's why we have people on the show so we can get different perspectives. What I do like is she's honest. She keeps it real. She tells you where she stands. You know, we are having some, this is Sunday night. We release it Monday morning.

It's a couple technical difficulties with the recap. So it will be up later in the day Monday. But for those that listen through and don't hear the recap because you're listening early today, you know, some of the things we did address is talk about Britain eludes the fact you got to make a million bucks in New York to live. I don't agree with that. and I think, you know, her take on the intersection of love and money is a take that I don't necessarily subscribe to, but that's her take. And that's why we have this show to get different

perspectives from different people, but they're talking about money and they're talking about their careers. And this episode is nothing short of entertaining. It's a wild one. What's going on in the market? Holy tariffs. Oh, my gosh. I think a majority of all economists and majority of business leaders will say, you know, there's a million different opinions of if it was intentional, unintentional, whatever. I'm not getting into that. It was a rough rollout. As a result of that, the market got crushed.

And now you've seen adjustments. So what am I doing from a financial perspective? That's what you're probably more interested in. First and foremost, don't even worry about investing if you have bad debt. First pay that off. With your good debt, make sure that's structured appropriately. Make sure you're taking advantage of all tax advantage accounts, your HSA. 401Ks, Roths, traditionals, all the matches at your employer. Make sure that you are also,

if your employer offers discounted stock, make sure you're taking advantage to discounted stock options. That usually gives employees 10 to 15% off, so that's big. And then also have an emergency savings fund. So take your monthly fixed expenses, multiply anywhere from 3 to 12, which represents, of course, three months of expenses, up to 12 months of expenses, and have that sitting in a high yield account earning like 3 to 5% interest. Once you do that, then you could worry about investing. What am I doing? The market in general likes predictability. We don't have any predictability right now. We just don't. And as a result of that, the prices today are all based on the expectations for the future. So they think about what will happen, what will earnings look

like, given the information we have, and that's the price today. And with so much unpredictability of what tomorrow will bring, the market's swinging like crazy. So what am I doing? I'm not selling anything. Until I have enough information that tells me I should sell, I'm not selling. So I'm holding on to any position I had prior to this administration. I also am buying the dips. Anywhere from like 10 to 15 percent, I'm actually putting limit orders in and executing trades based on the dips and I'm buying the indexes, S&P 500. So that's particular what I'm doing. So don't panic sell. That would be my suggestion and buy the dips until we have more information. But a lot of action out there. What's going to my personal life? Well, I had the absolute unique pleasure of speaking at

University of Tennessee's College of Business, and I got to speak at their Marketing and Sales Annual Award Innovation Conference. And it was such a treat to meet the students that are masters in marketing and some that are undergrad in marketing, but some of the business leaders all across Knoxville and to have the opportunity to speak at a school like University of Tennessee is truly an honor. And I spoke a lot about how you can brand yourself, specific things that you can do, different things that I'm seeing from a creator perspective and also a talent management owner perspective in the creator economy and ways that people can relate to others with the communities they can build online, whether they are trying to market

their own business or themselves. And it was all tailored to creator economy from a creator which was awesome. Tomorrow I'll be in New York. I'm doing a quick 24-hour trip looking at apartments, and then I'm also doing a shoot with Chili's. And then I'm coming back. And then for about two and a half weeks, Teddy and I are heading out west. We have a agency house set up for Coachella Week 2 and stagecoach. And I will be out west with Teddy. So that is going to be fun. But you know what? Enough of me. Let's get into this episode. It's electric. And trust me, If you don't see the recap the first time, the recap will be up here shortly, and you're going to get a kick on that too. Welcome back to another episode of Trading Secrets. Today we are joined by entrepreneur, marketing professional, and more notably, a personality on Bravo's Real Housewives of New York City.

Bryn Whitfield. Brin joined the rebooted cast of Roney for season 14 in 2023 and return for the most recent season 15, which wrapped up in January. Prior to diving into reality TV, Brin has an extensive career in corporate marketing. Brin worked on an award-winning campaign for global campaigns of the largest companies managing and executing strategic media relations, programs for clients across multiple industries and clients spanning, Shell, Oil, Unilever, Johnson & Johnson, and many tech-based companies. More recently, Brin co-founded a dating app strictly for college students called Hoppe. We're going to dive into all your experience thus far, Roney, the evolution of your professional career, your new app, and where you see it going from here.

Bryn, welcome on Trading Secrets. So excited to be here in trading spaces. It is an absolute honor to have you on Trading Spaces. I was just on Brin's podcast, and she, you called this Trading Spaces. Actually, I feel like it was an episode of Trading Spaces. It was because we held space for one another, and then we also traded secrets, so it's like a hybrid. I feel like we did a lot in that episode. And here we are today.

We did so much that now the second date's going to be awkward. The second date is going to be hard to live up to the first. It's going to be hard to live up to the first one. But here we are. We're going to rip it. All right. We're going to talk business. I know you like to talk business.

Yes. We're going to talk money. I know you like to talk money. Love it. We might be able to talk a little bit of money and love because I know you love both money and love. I think you said your two favorite topics for sex and money. Yeah. Well, I thank you for making me a lady.

Yes. said finance and fucking. Oh, sorry. I apologize. How dare that I misquote you. But here we are. All right. So let's, let's just start from the top. So everyone knows you for a multitude of reasons, but Real Housewives of New York. Definitely being the number one of that long list. How did Real Housewives of New York find you? They slid into my DMs. Really? Yeah. Does that happen a lot? Like every other thing that's ever happening in my life. Shows or people? Yeah. No, the casting director slid into my DMs. So they had gotten my name from a mutual friend who's a fashion publicist, Savannah Engel. She's amazing. And I was properly fucking off in the south of France. Interesting.

Yeah. Who were you fucking off with? Girlfriends. Okay. Yeah. And I was just chugging Rosey and I had left. I had a communications at a tech company that had got acquired by Abbott International. So I had a mini golden parachute.

So I think what does that mean mini? Like financial transparency is big here. So what's mini gold in transparency? Come on. Talk money. Okay, okay, okay. What's your credit score? What's that? Oh, eight, no, it's in my book. I put it on my book. My most recent's like 812. I don't have any debt. Zero. Mine, I just checked mine today. Mine's 710. It dipped. Wow. How much you make last year? You really want to know. Yeah, tell me. Are you serious? Yeah, let's do it. If I asked you to edit this out, will you?

Yeah. Okay. You won't like this. I will. Of course I will. Give me a roundish number. It was seven figures. Yeah. Okay. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. below. Yeah. Barely. I barely made. That's not edit out worthable. Like that's,

that makes it. I barely made some figures by like the hair on your balls. Let's go. Yeah. Okay. So barely. All right. Well, what's the mini golden parachute?

So you're working the cup. Yeah. So he's got stock options and stop grants and whatnot. And in the acquisition, the first eight employees, we could have stayed or we could have taken our options and left. And there was a cash bonus involved. So I was. like, okay, I have the equivalent of a year's salary, and then, you know, still hoping that that

company does well. And so I was like, okay, for the first time since I was 15 years old, I'm going to take time off because I've worked my entire life. I started at Dairy Queen, and then I ended up at an ad tech company. And I was like, okay, I'm going to take time off and get a new job. I wanted to move to London and get another job as head of comms or marketing or something in ad tech. And then, yeah.

What do you think? Like, so they reached out to you. You're doing your thing. I thought it was a scam. Like, where do you think it came? What do you think sparked it? Did anybody say or suggest or poke or be like, you got to go find her? No, so Savannah, who's a fashion publicist and like an it girl in New York, she was auditioning

for it herself and she went all the way to 30 Rock. So there's like you do different interviews, you do Zooms, you do in person. And then one of the final interviews is 30 Rock where you actually go in person. And then one of the final interviews is you meet Andy and blah, blah, blah. So she had gone to 30 Rock, but then she was like, I can't. do this. I don't want to do this. She backed out and they're like, fine, give us a list of names. Jessel and I were on that list of names, my castmate. So they slid into my DMs and I thought it was a scam because I was on private. I never posted on Instagram. Like I hate phones. I hate

technology. I hate social media and I work in tech. But I hate Steve Jobs did too. He didn't realize kids use iPads. But I thought it was a weird like crypto scam because they're like, hi, brand. And we're with the real housewives in New York, and we're casting. Will you talk to us? And I was like, delete. They sent me a second message. I deleted it again.

And then finally, Savannah, who's from Georgia, she's like, dumbass, is really the housewives are trying to call you. I shouldn't she used to you to Sab. You think I'm like whiskey and beer? She's literally me, but she's from the fucking Delta. Okay. And she's also like, Anna Winter's like golden child. Like, she's a darling and beautiful.

Yeah. She's from the fucking South. Interesting. So, Sav, yeah, she was like, pick up your fucking phone there, Real House, I was trying to call you. So I was like, okay. So I went on one 10-minute Zoom. Okay. Then I had a, then they were like, okay, so this is just a prep call for our next Zoom, which is going to be like, have you watched the show?

I was like, of course I watch Atlanta and Beverly Hills. They're like, so you've seen the Confessional, the glorious background and you're dulled up. Real quick, before you tell me about the Confessional, who was your favorite real housewife? Back in the day, I love Kyle Richards. I love Doree. I like Beverly Hills. Okay. Um, Lisa Vanne Pumns is my friend's mom.

I loved Lisa. I love Camille Gramer. I love Porsche. I love NeNe. So you're a big fan of the show. Huge fan. Okay. So then you go to confessional.

So you got to be, you got to be freaking out a little bit. Like you're, you're in the confessional where all you're like, the people that you love to look up to are there. No, but they're like, it's just going to be an interview with the casting director where you sit there and they're like, just make your background kind of resemble. But me, I, I next level stuff. So I wore this, like, pink feathered dress. I wear my little Chanel pink earrings. I did like a ponytail. I ripped like six, three to six shots of tequila beforehand because I'm thinking this is

going to be a funny story. Like my life is nothing but like. What kind of tequila? I'm just curious. 1942. Okay. I'm not a basic picture. Only the best.

Yeah. But I just ripped shots and I just like went on and it was like a 90 minute interview and they're just asking me things or asking me who I've date, like funny dating stories. They asked me what do people when you ask other people? about you. What would they say? And I said, I just actually had gone on like two Raya dates. And I was like, it's funny. Both dudes said something. They were like, you remind me a lot of the girl from Schitt's Creek, Alexis. You know, because I'm always like telling stories. I was like, that one time when I got kidnapped by like the Korean, like, please, North Korea.

So, and the casting director laughed and I was like, and I loved the song. And she's like, what song? And I just stood up in my apartment on my Zoom camera. Okay. And I'm like, a little bit of Lexus. I was like. Did you sing it? I danced the whole choreography. Can you, can you dance it? I'm expensive sushi on a huge huge yacht. I'm a little bit single and I'm when I'm not.

I just let la la la la la la la la la la a little bit of Lexus. I did the whole thing and I just sat back down. I was like, sorry. And they're like, you're like, we'll call you right back. And then that was it. Give us two minutes. Literally. And then I had one other Zoom again with three, one from NBC, one from Bravo and one from the production company, never met Andy.

And then, so it was like two weeks and three zooms, 10 minutes, 90 minutes, 30 minutes. And they. That was it. Done. Yeah, yeah, yeah. And the first time I met Andy, I was like, everyone else got to meet you? I didn't get to meet you. He goes, no, I saw the tapes.

He saw enough. He's like, that's it. Signed up. She's batched it. All right. So he talked about mini golden parachute. They offer you the contract. What do you think about what they're paying you for episode?

Like, are you thinking, like, is this worth it? No, no, it's my DoorDash money. It's, yeah. I spend more on DoorDash per week than what I made for C's. How much you spend on DoorDash a week? A lot, but not, like $5,000 per week? No, God, no. Wait, what did I say?

I'm trying to figure out a roundabout way to not say what I mean. Yeah, that's what I'm just asking you how much you make a, how much you pay on DoorDash? I spend like two to three thousand hours a good at door. Did you ever consider the risk like, where you like is the risk worth this reward? For sure. So what I was worried about because everyone that I consult with are these like top 100 CPGs, right? So, and I consult with them, which a lot of America doesn't know what consulting means, and they think that's being a sugar baby. Consulting means that I have gotten to the place in my career where the clients that I had and the brands that I worked with and the agencies that I've worked out were so well known that I'm able to step back, not be in the day-to-day office, but basically they call me for advice or to work on a deck or create a campaign idea, and they pay me very well for it.

How much do they pay you? Very well. I make as much as a lawyer does per hour. Like 400 bucks. More than that. $500. No, $6.30 just for an hour. Yeah, yeah. But an equinox trainer makes $130 an hour.

100%. But no, you should. Consultants, I would expect to make that. But for people that, all right, now we're getting serious for a second. Educational-wise, you're consulting. What is the value, they're paying you $600 an hour. What is the value they're getting in return? The value they're getting me is like 60 minutes of me on Adderall and just like,

Don Drapering the fuck out of them. And so you're giving them all the money. It's just it. Literally 60 minutes of me being like me at my best and just like taglines, creative ideas, something for the ad campaign. I can literally just pull. And mind it takes me a while. Sometimes I'll procrastinate on something or I'll read the brief and then I take six days or do you have anything, do you have anything? I'm like, no, not yet. And then all the sudden it's like 17 ideas. You come up with creative for them. They'll give me a brief and then I make the creative. Okay, got it. The campaign should be what the influencers should be saying.

what's cool, what's whatever, what's happening, what's trending, and I just tell them what to say and do. So it's kind of like stand-up comedy, but it's stand-up creative. What's wild is like you were getting paid 600 bucks an hour at the minimum to do this consulting, to come up with these briefs for creators. You now go on reality TV. You are a real housewife of New York. Now you're a creator. You've got to be making more as a creator than you were as a consultant. Yes, I am. Yes. I mean, but here's the thing, which is why I've now, started my company and I enjoy being back, like, full time and being chief marketing officer. Like, I'm used to being in an office and running a team and doing that.

Like, so I just do now endorsements and sponsorships on the side. Okay. So it was only really like about a year in between season one and season two that I properly was kind of in between. I was just consulting, consulting, and then I was filming so I could only build 10 hours a week. Then the second the show was done, I went back to consulting full time. my clients at which were some of the biggest skincare lines. If you shop at CVS

and walk down the skincare aisle, facial or body, you've seen 30% of the brands that you see on the shelf I've worked with. Interesting. I've done the marketing for. Yeah. And the agencies I work with they white label my creative. And they were like, guess what brand that pays us a gazillion dollars a month? A week and new idea. It's actually consultants in the

background that help the team formulate, brainstorm, ideate, and create those concepts. So they a lot of times will white label my work which is why I can't show my work on TV. Interesting. And there was actually one publication, I think it was a nylon or something that mentioned the company I work with. And the brand director was like, we love you so much and we adore you from the brand.

But they're like, we don't want to be associated with the show. So it's the massive national skincare line. Interesting. Yeah. And they're like, we love you, but we don't want to be associated with that. Or our competitor has ad buys with the network. So we don't want to be. Yeah, yeah.

But then, so I'd be hush-hush about everything. And then, as you know, when you don't share everything in every day, detail on the reason why. People label you. People are like, they label you and they're like, well, why, well, how? And then they just, they create their own story of what you are. So, oh, she's a sugar baby. She gets money from dudes. I'm like, I wish. Right. Well, I'd love to. All right. Well, one of the things we talked about, I mean, you nailed it, right? So if you're white labeling, people wouldn't know what you're doing. And then as a result of that, people are asking what you're doing, especially on a show where it's all these high profile people doing these big

things. And I even saw a people article about you kind of snapping back at them being like, are you kidding me? Do you want to talk about everything I've done? And you've listed all those, which I listed in your intro, right? So those are things that you've done. So many copy me from my LinkedIn bio. Yes. Yes, got it. ChachyPT also helps. But the thing is like what you said Sugar Baby, you and I in your podcast talked about Gold Digger. You have been with like pretty wealthy people before. What are your thoughts when people say stuff like that to you? And how do you combat it. What I tell people, and even when I told my castmates in a very long text message, like the one time in my season that I went off on everyone, that everyone keeps referencing and

Jeff Lewis references one time, which again, for being on for now three years, two seasons, three years, like I went off on people one time. One time, one text message, I sent a very long, lengthy one where I read them the Riot Act. And I was like, here's what's up, leave my name and my work out of your mouth. You want to throw receipts on the table. Do you want me to bring up JP Morgan Chase right now. I have W-2s. I have everything with everything trackable, with every receipt, every invoice I've ever spent. What do you do for a living? Like I, in the irony of the fact that like I'm the only one that works a full-time job on my cast. Yeah. I'm the only one that works a full-time job. No one else. Really? Think about it. We have

influencers. We have models. We have our curators. We have people that did work at J. Crew three years ago, but now they're just like honorary positions. We have like a real estate agent. that hasn't sold a house in seven years. Who's that? No, I'm just saying. Starting businesses and being entrepreneurs and doing amazing stuff. Don't get me wrong.

But like I'm, and they're all very successful and making money. But you're saying none of them are working 50 hours a week on one thing like you are. They're not doing the boring-ass job that most of America we all do, which is nine to five, and I sit at a desk and I make decks

and I go on Zoom calls. There's nothing glamorous about that. The show doesn't want to shoot that. Like, it's just me brainstorming with my dog. I'm bouncing ideas off sugar. Like, there's no, that's not like shootable. I mean, maybe, now with the dating app because it's like a fancy office with like it looks cool maybe now they'll

want to shoot that but to date it hasn't it's just there's nothing to shoot like consulting is not glamorous it pays well but it's not glamorous which is like my favorite and that's why you snap back on people that's why snap back a little bit yeah it's like just because you don't know or because you don't have a LinkedIn login like don't like come at me and say gross things about me I get that I get that all right let's talk about your dating life a little bit so like you said Raya already and just in general we've talked a little bit about it on your podcast, but like how in the different areas of someone's attributes, and I want to like dig in this a little bit, wealth and money is where on the list?

One, two, three, four, five, six, seven, eight, nine, ten. What's the other options? I mean, there's, I think about dating. It could be, it could be their looks, their sex appeal, their personality, their, I don't know, what are things later common attributes? Okay. Humor? Humor's number one.

No, no, no, no, no, intelligence. I'm a sapiens sexual. Okay. You can actually be ugly and poor, but if you're, like, very smart. So an ugly and poor person would fit into... But if you're, like, a scientist. That's hard. Interesting.

Yeah, yeah, yeah. Okay. I have a thing for scientists. And if you have, like, a bunch of patents. Okay, but the patents can make too? No, but I like, if you're like, you can tell me shit. I dated a dude who worked like the Nobel Prize, like, reactor. And I was like, oh, like, I like smart.

So, brain then probably money. then humor then personality then looks yeah and we talked a little a lot of your podcast about it

but like when you talk about money if they're broke will you go on a date with him yeah for sure oh you will as he can be broke

but as long he's working you're like so long as he's going to date yeah I'm like what are we waiting for

should we go for no I it's fine but you just have to be like working on something or you have to have a company

or an idea you have to be passionate on something you have to be like look I'm doing this and I

know this is going to work And you have to be so confident. Yeah. You usually look me in the eyes and be like, I'm going to be a billionaire in five years. And I'm like... Has anyone done that to you before? Yes.

How's that worked out? And they've done very well. They've become billionaires. Yeah. There's a few people that said it and they didn't. Okay. But the ones that I knew, I'm like a talent scout. Like you're in a manager.

If I'm a talent scout for like not the NBA draft. Yeah, yeah, yeah. But I can tell there's like a passion. There's a grit. A lot of the times it's people that don't come from money. Okay. A lot of the times it's people like myself that have. like been through sit or seen shit or you're dealing with other demons that you're like I'm not

even at the time about the money like I want to be a billionaire but I'm just going to give it all away I don't really care I just want I want capitalism and then I'll donate it I came in this world with nothing I will leave with nothing but I just there's this thing I have to feel safe because I grew up with such nothing that I have to create everything and not through a man I have to do it myself but is that your drug but like when you talk about like you're getting labeled as like sugar baby and bullshit is your draw you want to be successful you are successful. And then you want to be with someone that has success. The draw to that is based on the fact, where do you think it is? Like if you step up at that, we talked a little bit

about, but if you step it back to your childhood, is it safety, is it security? Like, why is it that you're attracted to those people who have achieved X, Y, and Z and created this? Safety, because I equate money with being able to keep me safe. Okay. But with the engagements you've had with the people have done well, did you feel safe in those relationships when they had that well? God. I did at the beginning. This isn't like I got you. It's more like, I think, a learning lesson. Yeah. Right? I think it's more like it's interesting for someone who's gone through it and wants it to see if that is what it is.

I think the money made me feel at the beginning like it was going to be that. And then as I got into it, I didn't feel like I trusted them with I trusted their past. I trusted their bank account. I trusted their family money. But my dream man is like, what was that one show about the apocalypse or all the zon? zombies come. Departed or what is it called? Walking dead. Yeah, yeah, yeah. We did it, guys. Walking dead. But, like, where the zombie apocalypse can come and, like, you're going to figure out how to keep us safe. Like, you can access resources. You can play politics. You can, if necessary, like, do what you have to do in order to keep us safe. Like, I just brought up the zombie apocalypse. Talk about my childhood. But I just have to feel like you can figure it all out. Like, I want a guy that we can get in the car. and we're trying to like make it out to like we have to get to the Hamptons for whatever and he's and I'm like oh you should go this way and he's like no no no no I know this we're going to take blah blah blah out I want someone I can just finally like shut my brain off and be not stupid but like

not have to think about everything and not have to be in survival mode and just be like I trust him I'm safe did any of your relationships because you were engaged right yeah a few times Did any of those relationships not work out because of trust and money? Like this whole concept of money and trust? I trust and the nail had money. Okay. So I think I made a whole thing where looking back, if I'm really honest, I can, even now I could make up, like I could just start talking and probably convince you that it was them, but it was me. Interesting.

Yeah. Why? What was it? I don't know. I just wasn't ready. I was like, oh. What do you? It was me.

It was me. But you think it every single relationship, that's. like the most mature thing I've ever heard a human say. You think at every relationship that didn't work out, it was, it was you. Yes. And you're taking full ownership. Yes. I think it like every relationship. I don't think I've ever done this. I think in every relationship that doesn't, but I think at every relationship, like as someone who's at a lot of them that hasn't worked out and there are things I could certainly point the finger. I can point the thumb too, but I think it takes two to break up. You don't think it takes two to tango. It takes two to fuck. It takes two to

break up. True. So then it's not all on you. No. I'm playing. I got your back right now. Did you cheat? Did you cheat? Never. I would never cheat. Then why was it you? Then how was it? No, no, no. I can't stand cheaters. There's not, I don't like two things. I have two cardinals, sins. I grew up Roman Catholic. Do not lie to my face and don't waste my time. Time is the most precious resource. You can recreate, you can print money off the trees. Don't waste my time. That's so true.

And do not lie to my face. Lie behind my back. I don't really care. I don't see it. Yeah. But don't look in my face and be like, and tell me a lie. I become very, like the Irish in me comes out. Interesting. Yeah. I'm trying to figure out why it didn't work out that or do you not want to go there. It was because of me. No, it's just me.

Like I wasn't ready or I was poking, creating problems where I should have, instead of being like, them, been like, no, this is where I never had a model growing up where I saw mom and dad fight and it's okay. And people just, they come around and then the next day and you work it out. my whole thing was all I saw was family members fighting lawyers not talking arguing screaming horrificness like I never understood that like it's normal so I would get very weirded out by like small sort of like we would bat heads I'm like I'm done yeah and they'd be like dude it's we're having like a like a heated conversation I mean no no no no no I think I see something I'm

out and I would just leave. I was a massive, like, I was a non-stop. Voidant is it? No. Yeah. Some people call it a void and I call it a flyerist. Okay. It's good. PJs on PJs. No, but I just always was like always running and running away from things and I, and still to this day, you know, even on the show in season two, my past season, I really struggled because I'm actually, I don't like confrontation. I like making drama, but I actually don't. And I like play. playful, dumb, little fights. But you don't like the intensity of, like, true drama.

Yeah, like, my husband and I, she gets mad because I got a spritan. And I, like, love that. But I can't, when people actually get into it, and I think that they're serious, I get very, I'm very sensitive. And I don't, and I can't stand confrontation. Interesting. Where do you think that stems from? Do childhood. Yeah.

Yeah, always. It always. It always does. That's why I asked. I'm the same way. Like, and I've had to work on it over. Well, because conflict is just growth trying to happen. Conflict is good, right?

conflict is growth trying to happen right so if like if we are disagreeing at something we're trying to figure out where we both need to grow so it's just like when you're conflicting with something it's just growth that's attempting it's just how are you going to handle it in a healthy version to get where you should yes you know so it's it's being someone that like runs from it i.e. me it's like the only way you can learn is that the more you step into it actually your future is better off because you're preventing things it's proactive I've worked on it yeah you're working on it I'm working on it. I'm working on it.

My initials are BMW. I'm being WIP. There you go. You got it. It's just a draft. It's just a Google Docs draft. Very simple. All right.

I got a tough one. It's a business podcast. We talk finance here. Tough conversation to step into, especially someone who's been engaged a couple times. I've been engaged before. preemps. I wanted to ask you about this.

What is my cards? I wouldn't ask you about this. Your cards from your show are over here. I stuffed them in the chair. along with my phone number. What is your take on pre-ups? I was going to ask you. Are you going to make someone sign a pre-nup?

Well, I just asked you. No, I asked you. I will tell you, I will tell you my take. I just reverse you know, Joe. So I'll answer it, but then you have to not change your answer. No, no, I'll come after you for sure. Come after what? What are you coming after?

Bell, did you pick up on that innuendo? She hates me so much. Yeah, she's like, just get the hell out of here. All right. Please leave. Here we go. This is my take on it. Okay, hot take.

Hot take. every single state what are you laughing at every single not the business partner just fucking just laughing over here yeah that's the second time

he made a noise during a podcast it's like the third or fourth he's definitely enjoying this podcast all right here's my take every we have a pre-nup every person who's met you and I have a pre-trap babe we signed it before we did

it's done it's over forget about it all right let me give my head straight every single couple has a pre-up It's their state laws. And then you can take the state laws.

You could customize it or you cannot customize it. I am a proponent, just like him and I, business partner over here, we have a customized agreement. It makes sense for both of us, right? Different college, different hearts, different stitches, just like builder bear. So I think that every couple, you have a, you have a pre-num. Whether you don't or do it, you do. It's either federal or state, and based on your state, it's your state laws. And so I think you should customize it to make it extremely equitable for both parties.

So you don't have to wonder. Do you want to know my opinion? Yeah, I asked your opinion before I was forced to give mine. You asked and I forced you to answer. I think they should be mandatory. Mandatory? Yeah. Interesting.

Come on. I mean, they are. I'm a capitalist. Yeah. Of course. Of course. It's absurd. The fact that we've mixed this whole marriage and what it's intention and then now

what it's become, this hallmark, and then we're trying to get people back. And then we have all these, like, Love Island, UK. I mean, come on, people. Let's be honest. Marriage should be based on love and compatibility, for sure. And then also compatibility, whether that be financial, moral, et cetera, et cetera. But there's too high of stakes for at any, I think, like, income level. I think everyone, you never know.

Hello, Jessica Simpson and Nick Lechay. Yeah. Hello. It's true. Like, she crushed it. So I just think that they should be. You have to sign a marriage certificate, and then you guys should have to talk about it. Because I think most people that then have to have that conversation when even I don't know getting married.

So very pro pre-nup. Oh my God. Howler we went pre-up, Kanye? Okay. There you go. However, though, hypocrite. Because every time that a guy has mentioned that he's going to make me sign a pre-up, I'm like, I don't know what that means. To why?

Wait, why do you do that? Because they have more. Yeah. So why would I do that? Has that ever led to the engagement not becoming a marriage? In California, where it's 50-50 if we divorce. No questions asked. And then, you know, too, it's like, oh, my God, like, sign something like my hands, my wrists don't work.

And then, you know, in, like, prison or whatever when you're a straight jacket, which I would never know about, but I do. When they're, like, put it in their mouth. And then the episode is something, I'm like, I have cavities. I present like when I'm getting an X or I'm like, I hate radiation at the dentist. Like, don't sign it. All right. So I'm a. So you won't sign a preem.

You're pro pre-up for all my girlfriends And I'm like, get that fucking pre-up Even though he has more like protect yourself But not for you For me, I'll be like, do not love me? Yeah No, I would probably actually sign it Because now where I'm at

I would want to protect myself Yeah It used to be because I'd be like The dude has more like Yeah I'm not gonna give this guy like three kids For him to leave me for someone half my age Now it's more like

I have a lot to protect So I'm gonna make someone else sign it Is it, like, do you think that's part of the issue, though, is if you lead, if you do lead with money and you're looking for someone that has money, don't you think part of the issue? Because this is what I think is that part of the issue becomes that the leverage in the relationship becomes based on money and therefore the ease of them leaving after three kids becomes greater because the only thing tying the relationship together at the forefront was actually money. Like, do you subscribe to that?

I think you're thinking too much about it. Interesting. You think it's, like, what do you think? I think you think money and let's what's so so sex and money what do you I don't I think it's a I think it's an evil thing you I think it's like when I say evil I think it like leads it's toxic no no money and sex is great but I think I think it's like I'm like it's like it's evil you're like literally it's bliss but don't you think it leads to toxicity because then it doesn't wrong people people are toxic situations and stories are not toxic no marriage isn't toxic no marriage isn't toxic

Divorce doesn't even have to be toxic. People make things toxic. Hmm. I should know. I'm a toxic. So how do you? I'm just joking. All right. So for anyone out there that's like struggling with this concept, how do you?

Struggling with what? The concept of like dealing with career, love, and money. What do you, suggestions do you have? Marry for money and then pay for it for the rest of your life. Unbelievable. If you had a book, what would you name it? Face down ass up. All right.

Bull markets and how to win and a smart investment strategy for your personal wealth. Unbelievable. All right. We talked on your podcast, we talked about this guy. Your ratings are going to dip you. Who gave you? No, they're going to go off the charts here. They're going to go off the charts.

Please give us five stars even if you don't subscribe to this. In the app store two, five stars. And then also hit the subscribe button. Thank you so much. That was great. All right. Hang on. You talked about on a podcast, I went on yours.

which congratulations for podcasts now. You caught my podcast, Jerry. Yes, I did. That was an honor. Only one person could take your podcast for you. That's true. It was me. I did it.

If I'm a psychopath, what if I, like, show up at your podcast store? And I'm like, do you love me? Like, here's a pre-nump. You're like, I'm out running. Even if you don't release it the first time, it was the podcast, Jerry, which is an honor. Yeah. Yes. Okay.

Anyway, let's get dialed in here. You had mentioned that someone said to you, 34 million is the net worth. That's like the dream. network that's like that's i think it's like i think we talked about that i think that's a pretty accurate number do you like 12 because here's thing as much as i'm totally because i live in new york yeah totally disillusioned by money at this point yeah like why you disillusioned by money i'm i'm fascinated the questions i keep asking i'm just fascinated with your your relationship with money it's wild it's why your relationship with money is wild but okay so it's not wrong

it's not wrong it's not wrong like the welfare kids shit but then also we could also just blame it all on New York City. New York City or education. Everything. No, no, no, no, we're delusioned in New York. Grass is a greener. So what do you think? There's a hotter model. There's always a richer guy. There's always a better house in the Hampton. That's actually true. I love New York. That's why you can't chase. I think you can't chase money here because you'll, you're never going to get faster, stronger, no, no, no, no, everybody, we're all super. Even to live in New York, you literally have to be rich. There's this funny, like, post yesterday and I made a comment on New Yorkers, the Instagram handle. It's something like overheard at the Upper East Side

foods. And it was like, this guy was like, bro, you make 250K a year. Why don't you just fly private? And the response just goes, LOL, no. And then I wrote and I was like, dude, on 250K a year New York, my comment was, I was like, you can't even take an Uber to JFK. I was like see at the Jamaica station, sweetheart. Like, you said that to him? No, I just put it in the comments. I got like a thousand likes in like an hour because that's the truth. $250,000, a quarter of a million dollars, which again, growing up, I thought maybe the most side max, It was like $75,000. It was like huge, right?

Yeah. $250K in New York, you're like, eh. Well, if you do quick math, right? $250K,000, 50% of taxes, $125K, okay? Yeah, how much you pay it on rent here? Rent. Let's call it. Do you want to pay in rent?

Yeah, how much you pay in rent? I think either. I don't, I should know the number. Give me a guess. It's either $12,000 or $14,000 a month. Okay, so do I, fuck. You have a nice place. You have a nice place.

You have a nice place. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Okay. If it's 14,000, I think if my math's wrong, 160. No, it's 12. I think 12,000 500. I think it was 14, but I negotiated them down to 12. But let's just call out 14 because my math, I did the number 140. So that's 28,000. So 168,000. So if you're making $250,000, this isn't you. This isn't you. This is the great depression. Yeah, this is the great depression. And you cut the taxes in half. You're at 125. And you're getting a $14,000 and just rent. You're already in a deficit. So that's where. This is the Great Depression. Yeah, this is the Great Depression. What do you think in New York is an amount you should strive to make if you just want to live there? You have to make some figures live in New York. Yeah. Unless you want to live in a neighborhood or unless you have rent control department or unless mommy and daddy are subsidizing your lifestyle or putting down a down a down a payment. Sometimes I can't tell us like you're doing a bit or you're like just like. It's always a bit.

Okay. But unless mommy and daddy are putting down your deposit or unless you're a drug dealer, you can't live in New York. So everyone that lives here is naturally you have money. I don't know where the money comes from, but you have money. So, again, back to my show, people would be like, I don't understand. I'm like, to be in New York, you have to have money. Like, we're, a pack of cigarettes is $22. Stir fry is $32.

Like, a cocktail is $38. Like, we, like, I go places, Miami, Los Angeles. God forbid if I go back home to Indiana, I went grocery shopping in France. And I was like, I got all these groceries for a dinner party. And I was like, oh, my God, this is going to be like 400 euros. It was literally 68 euros. And I'm like, it's crazy. Like, in Mexico City, I'm a billionaire.

Like, New York is absolutely delusional. Do you think it's sustainable in New York? Or do you think it's going to pop? It's New York. Of course it's sustainable. What do you mean? It's just like everything happened. It's not, but it is.

It's not, but it is. But it just always works out. Yeah, it will because it's New York. Where is it going to go? We're the epicenter of the entire world. That's true. That's true. New York is wild.

It's really wild living here. Yeah, that's crazy. What do you think is, as far as spending, what is something that you think you overspend on? That I overspend on? Yeah. And like, like, what does that category look like? What do you mean monthly? What are you talking?

Like monthly, yeah. What do you think? This transparency. Don't ask me by wax. Like, what are we talking about here? It's like a lot. Like 10,000? 20,000?

30,000? No. Oh, don't care. I'm not much. 30,000. Yeah, like 25,000. No, no. 20,000.

20 is too much. No, we go a little bit down. 15,000. Like, say, five to 10,000. Address is $2,000. Wow. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. My shoes are $2,000.

Okay, what is tomorrow? You go broke. What are we doing tomorrow? When we wake up in the morning. So how I like my eggs. I like your eggs. Scambled, like very, with a little bit of milk. Okay.

Yeah, yeah, yeah. Well, cheese or cheese or. What? Yeah, yeah, yeah. Or truly a child's, she makes a very good scramble. That's high like night. Oh, boy. Oh, tomorrow you go broke. You go broke. You got nothing. Well, you have something, but not everything. Do I still have my brain? Yeah, you got your brain. And you got a couple bucks. What's one thing that you overspend on? You know you overspend it. Clothes is obviously too much, but you're going to continue to overspend on it. Probably food. That's such a boring answer. That's fine. That's okay. But it would be. You were due for a boring answer.

I know, right? At some point you have to be boring. All right. It's all about, like, balancing yourself up. It's all about balancing because you've just been firing, firing. In order to appreciate the good, you have to do the bad. But only the reason why is because I do a lot of DoorDash and Uber Eats, and it's really expensive food event. And I was like a coffee, like coffee in New York is $14 a cup. Yeah, it's true.

All right, rapid fire. I want you to think about all your housewives, okay? Oh, God. We're going to play a game of, we'll call it CEO. You're the CEO. You have to decide who, see. What's your lease fan? favorite?

Missionary. Okay. I thought you're going with the title of the company, but hey, I thought you're going to be like payroll, but there we are, missionary.

Now you know. All right. So you got all the housewives, line them up, okay? Okay. This season, you got to pick any one of them

to be your business partner. You're doing a deal with them right now. Who is it? From any franchise? No, from your season. Oh, Jenna. Jenna.

And why? Yeah, yeah. She's a fabulous business partner. She knows how to navigate a C-suite. She understands. She understands she's a proper businesswoman who's had the experience, been there, done that. And not just the fact that she can operate within that circle. Yeah.

She worked her way up through it. Okay. My best friend Pandora Vanderpump, her mom's Lisa Vanderpump. And the thing that I love about Pandey and her husband, Jason, who's my friend from Indiana, is the fact that, yes, they owned the restaurants at the end of the day, like Pandy and Jason. And they help run them now. But it's only because Lisa made them start as the bar. people. Wow. And busing tables. They had a bus tables. And then they got to be servers. They served me when they asked me to be on Vanderpump Rules. They were servers at Villablanca while Shanean, everyone was

Jacks were at Vanderpump Rules. Then they got to be head of staff. Then they got to be the manager of the restaurant. Then they got to be. So like you have to have someone who's worked the whole gamut. And Jenna completely understands what it's like to be from the mailroom to the intern, to the associate to the brand director, to the PR, to the creative, and then C-Suite. And I think that's what makes someone fully knowledgeable and properly versus be like, you have a board assignment and you're like, that's a, you got handed that on a plate. That was like a very, very nice endorsement to Jenna. Jenna's very smart. Okay. Now let's do the opposite. You got your team. Yeah. We're Housewives, New York. You're the CEO. You got to fire someone who you fire in.

And the real house. Oh, Rebecca. Oh, well, that was a note. That was. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Why? Rebecca, personally, I've always liked her. Yeah.

And we get along in the Hampton and stuff like that for reality TV, which again, I can differentiate and I can film and I know in my mind there's reality and there's reality. She's not good for reality TV. Got it. She can't shut off. You're filming with her and she's like aware that the cameras are there. And she was like, you know, just there to support her business. Sure.

And like, no, but that comes, like, organically and sub-directly and through the back door. Like, you got to just be you and share and do the thing. Like, don't hide your kids. Don't fly into film. Like, just be yourself and then, and then on social, promote your stuff. Yeah. It was, like, more time, like, filming, making rules than, like, I'm like, dude, we're filming. Yeah.

Just be present. If you make the show pop off, you will pop up. But, like, that didn't register. So I would fire her because she's a great businesswoman, very smart. But I think just stay in the office. don't try to use leverage reality TV to make your business boss interesting all right who would yeah great business woman yeah who would you switch places with like if you're like I could switch places with any single person in that show it could be for Aaron Aaron's great she came on the

podcast she is awesome huge fish she is a hub she's great Abe's great she's not being sometimes she's not being sometimes she's annoys me and I know her her but when she's when Aaron is her coolest she's like my she's like the fucking cool shit to hang out with yeah sometimes makes me think like I wish, like, she weren't married and had kids. Because she's like, if Aaron weren't married to her kids, she'd be me. Aaron's cool. Like, she's just like, she's just like, you guys would go out together. We do go together now and she'll go hard.

But, like, she would be your wing woman. She's just cool. Like, she's cool, she's smart. She's a cool chick. Yeah, yeah, yeah. She's a thing. Okay, got you. I hear you.

All right. There you go. Well, that was that game. Higher fire. That was it. Higher fire. Throw it in your podcast. Give a little shot.

Where can everyone find you? your podcast um find me your podcast find your podcast don't get my address out i won't no um on spotify you're implying i have your address now i already texted it too okay you can find me on spotify please see below okay spotify all right there you go before we wrap here you got to tell people about your dating app i think that's a cool endeavor that you're doing tell people how you started it and what did it look like and where is it at today so i did a few partnerships for dating apps, pay partnerships. And in doing those, everyone was always saying, you should start your own dating app, you should start

your own dating app. So I was in conversations with some people and some investors and then got word of the fact that someone who was working formerly a founder of Bumble was potentially making an app, but didn't know. It was just literally an idea in his head. So I set up a meeting and made a business stack and went and pitched him and literally just introduced myself as hi, I'm your next co-founder. And then sat down.

You did it with that confidence? Literally. Wow. I literally just introduced myself as his co-founder. And I was like, hi, I'm this first. That's two instances. I'm like a serious note again. That's two instances in what your confidence immediately propelled you.

Because I knew that I wanted. The Zoom and that. Yeah. I knew what I wanted. And I'm sure that's no mistake. And it was, it made sense. And you have to be, when I was a little girl, my grandma used to say, like, she could, this was when Giuliani was mayor, she said, she could sell the Brooklyn Bridge to

Giuliani. Like, when I believe. in something when I want something. I'm just, I can manifest anything workwise. You dialed. Relationship, not so much. But work wise, I'm like, this is me, this is it. So I went in, I said, hi, I'm your new co-founder, and this is my vision, and this is your idea, and you're the genius, and you're the tech guy, and you're the entrepreneur, and you're the billionaire, and you're this person. But this is what I know as far as, like, marketing and PR and American nuances in the dating world, and, like, we're at the zeitgeist moment. This is the beauty, and sold him on it. And then we

had a very long trial period. He definitely made me go in, went over all the developers and all the tech team, and it was a very long process, which is why I couldn't talk about it on the show because I was literally interviewing for four months in order to be. He just didn't give it to me. He was like, you need to win over 40 fucking tech developers who've been doing this for 20 years or in the best of the business. So I did. You won them over? Yeah, I won them over. And so what's your role at the company now? Chief marketing officer, but more importantly, co-founder. Is that like, Do you get cash and stock? I have equity.

Okay. So you got all equity. Yeah, I own a percent of the company. Wow. And how's the company doing? Right now it's doing well. We don't have evaluation yet because we're a startup. But, you know, it's going well.

And similar to be real and similar to other companies, we will be privately funded the entire time. Wow. Yeah, we don't need to take on things. Yeah, that's the same. And it's only for college students, right? Just for now because we're in the test and growth phase. Okay, okay. And so if there is a college student listening to it, where can I find it?

As, if there's a call, if you have a dot edu, just go to the app store and download Hoppy and give us five stars. But if everything goes long to plan, we're hoping it's going to be the summer of Hoppy, a happy Hoppy summer. And we're going to open it up to basically all young adults. I love it. If you're in North America, we're going to open up to everyone. Okay. Amazing. All right.

Last thing I got before I go, because you attack things with such confidence and it works out in your favor. I think negotiation is a huge topic of conversation amongst my latest. listeners, what type of advice do you have for people that are going up into negotiation? They're meeting with their bosses. It's annual reviews. They don't know how to approach it. So if you're walking in to your annual review and if you don't know what you're about to say, you're in trouble and you may as well just try again next year. So annual reviews are based on you have to be logging every win, kind of repurposing every loss, but you should be tracking all of your wins throughout the year. So you walk in and it's literally all on paper and

it's literally written out and you just push it over and you're like, here's what I did. And it also be like quantifiable. It has to be, you have to use your action verbs. You have to say, look, I was able to take this thing and I changed it, you know, a retator from 6,000 to 16,000. I was able to help X, Y, one of our biggest accounts, increase growth on social by 21%. You have to have things throughout the year. If you're walking into your annual review and you're nervous, you're in you're already failed you're already failed it starts day one of your annual review starts day one of the day two of the when you got out of your last one anything that they said or any smart goals or anything that you have you need to be the entire time logging your shit

as if you're getting spanked on the ass every day you got to be like I did this I did this I did this boom boom boom boom do not walk in and be like so um in New York City the cost of living has gone off are you nobody cares yeah no whenever people that is the worst way to go into negotiation. Whenever people present me with like, well, the cost of things gone off, I'd be like, why don't you walk in here with all the things that you did? We just got that of it. Remember that she's like, well, my costs of this. Or like, that is the worst? What does that do for us? That means nothing. Walk in with what you did and the value you brought. And know in the back of your mind that it's going to take three months

and probably a third of your salary to rehire you and train you. Use that to your advantage. So be like, here's where I'm at. Here's all the ways that I've won. I've saved the company money. I've actually, you know, contributed X, Y, and Z. At the same time, here's continuing this trajectory, what I'm going to, the value add the next 12 months. Make yourself invaluable. The fact that you think you want to fucking fire me, I got to have the balls.

You have to have them by the balls. And then you have to actually know what you want as well, like in salary. Don't, if they're like sold, what do you want? And you're like, I don't know. Be like 150K. And then you bring up the, well, this is what the salary equivalent on indeed is and I've taken on more responsibility so actually I'm doing two roles in one you have to have like your fucking paperwork work like the FBI and then you sit there and then last piece of

devices you have to have the balls or the backup plan which is I always did to walk away they don't give you what you want I'm cool dude because I have fucking been interviewing for three months that's what you do that's how you roll I think you got to write a book at this point that was I am with gallery book shine that was true it's coming out in fall Book is coming soon. But that's the thing, but you know what? I learned it myself, and I learned it through a lot of failures. My first job, I remember Chris will tell you at Edelman, I walked in.

And I was like, so all these printouts of L.A. living cost. I was making $32,000 a year. I was living between $2.99 stores. And he's like, let me tell you, you don't walk in with this. You walk in with that. So reschedule this meeting. And then he taught me. Chris Manzini.

I love you. He's still there. But yeah, but I learned the hard way. And now I know. And I even whispered to my, like, here's how you do this. Yeah, come prepared. I was like, I'm giving you more responsibilities. I was like, this is where you ask me.

Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. Yeah, feminism. Let's go. Last question I got before we get your trading secret. You're a manifester. It's 2025, 2027. You broke into seven figures, 2020, let's call it 2027. How much you're going to make that year?

Manifesto. What's the dream? What's it going to be? I'm already a number. I'm a billy. You're a billionaire. Yeah, 2027. In two years?

25, die, 18 to 24 months. Wow. You got to go quick. Life short. Okay. You know what's going to happen. All right. You're going to be a billionaire.

Make it literally count. No, with 2025, I'm going to build a lot of stuff and lay the groundwork for all the amazing stuff. Okay. And I'm going to meet my husband this year. That's what I've discovered. There you go. Yeah, yeah. I'm not going to marry him.

I'm just going to meet him. You're going to meet him this year and then you'll figure out the married thing. Yeah, yeah. And I'm going to make him sign up for you know. Yeah. Make him sign a free up. There you go. Check and check.

All right, we've got to wrap up with your trading secret. So, trading secret is no professor YouTube video, TikTok tutorial, can teach them this. They can only learn from your experience. So something that's unique to you, either financially, professionally, or personally. It's like one big last thing you can leave us on. For everyone that's listening, give them some advice in that area. Know that the lowest point, the lowest you felt, you're super depressed. You're like, I can't recover.

This is fucked. I'm fucked. Everything's wrong. I want to blow my brains out. This sucks. if you can just hang on a little bit and slap a smile on your face and power through, if you can find it in you, not even power through, just kind of just like wake up the next day and like not do something horrific.

Little do you know, it's, I swear to God, it's the beginning of something great. I think life is nothing. It's not the destination. It's the journey. I think life is nothing but like fucked up shit happening and awesome shit happening. And it's about how you deal with the bad stuff. And if you learn, if you can learn from it, otherwise it just keeps happening again. But I think life is just fucked up shit and great shit happening.

And then we just all die. But I think if you can like, that's the key and the purpose. So just know that when the bad stuff is happening and you don't want to like deal and you just, and it's like nothing, you're, you don't see any way out or any light. There's no glimpse of everything. Actually, what I now love is that's the time when I can remember. I'm like, oh, wait. This is awesome because it can't get any worse. Like, that's when you get hired.

I actually get scared now when everything's going great. I'm like, it's coming to an end. A family member is going to die. The IRS is coming. Something's happening. Something bad's going to happen. I'm scared when everything is going great, I see the first season of my show. And then it's like, boom, life will smack.

The second you get cocky, the second you think it's all good, life just grips you down. So I actually now enjoy the bad parts because I'm like, nowhere to go but up yeah and then like rocky says right so about how many punches you get it's how many you could take and keep going forward so no but you got like you got the good you got the bad you get the good you got the good so it's just constant ping pong it goes back and forth and back and forth and yeah that's life i think you said life is about getting fucked up and then living and then dying or so you said like this funny that's the funniest breakdown i've ever heard of life but like that's an interesting fucked up shit happens fucked up shit happens

Good stuff happens when you die. Then good stuff happens that you die. That honestly, it's not that soon. You need to make merch with that line right there, right now. I think not merch, that sweatshirt, so maybe bumper stickers. Maybe bumper stickers or candles or something. But that's going to be your road to the billionaire. It's on its way.

It's going to happen. Well, we'll see you there. I'll see you at the finish line. Where can everyone find everything else if you have going on? You're like, tell the dating app, the podcast. Download hoppy in the app store. H-O-P-P-Y. It's a little pink bunny.

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sharing secrets ding ding ding ding! are closing in the bell with the one the only, the curious Canadian. We are back on the ones and twos. We missed it last week, but we are here hot and ready to go. And I'll tell you what. Hot and ready to go. A lot. Hot and ready to go. A lot of action in that episode. Um, yeah. I mean, David, I'll tell you before I kick it to you, we did her podcast, which I would say when I was a guest on her podcast, she was probably even like two, three X. Um, what Teddy says, well, if you can hear him.

She was even like two to three X more like, more, you know, fired up on hers than my show. Then we did my show. So just to give you. Can I get a, can I get a, we've never done this? Can I get like a rating disclaimer before this episode air? Like this is like we're normally very, call it B rated, business rated. Sometimes we cross over in the, you know, PG-13 rated. This one, this deserves a little bit of a rating on it, I think.

She was spicy, to say the least. What would you rate it? I would rate it, well, I would rate it like, we would just go like peppers. Like, it's not like a, it's like a Caliente hot pepper. Like, it was spicy. Like, you must have been sweating in that chair. Like, she was coming after you with some heat. I'm dead.

Yeah. There you go. I mean, first time I ever met her. No. I never met her before. I mean, look, we know haven't seen her since. As the resident, she's just like we came in. I think that's her brand. I think most people say on real house lights and stuff like her brand is very, very flirty. I think

I think Tyler did a, Tyler Cameron did a watch what happens live with her and they were really, she was really flirty with him too. I think that's her brand. I mean, she has some she had some one-liners that I don't even, I'm not going to repeat them because if people were listening to us for the first time and heard them say it, it would be like, whoa, is this, is this, that was a lot. But it was, I mean, it was entertaining. Don't get me wrong. Wait, wait, because I haven't listened to it since I podcasted, which was months ago, uh, sir, at least over a month ago. So what, like, give me some.

Oh, she said five minutes into the episode. She says, finance and fucking are my, are her two favorite things. She then says, uh, if you had a name a book, what would you name it? She goes, face down ass up like how to attack oh my dude i forgot it out there's something that she spends too much on money on she's like why don't you ask me if i wax or how i like my eggs in the morning ceo is her favorite position the least favorite position is missionary i mean i i can keep going on like it was we might have to like we might have to have john on like just beep out the I mean I'm like I'm like turning red

I'm like uncomfortable saying it too I'm like staring I'm like looking in your eyes saying these things it's like a little awkward for me but but I will say to tie in the whatever rating you want to call her to our B rating for business her like this attitude

I mean it's it's unique I don't think it's one if you're like taking trading secrets like you're going to try and be this I feel like this is as you kind of alluded to a little bit almost like it kind of gets developed through your upbringing. But she had a couple interesting, like, I wouldn't even say negotiation strategies. I would say, like, boldness and confidence

that directly related to some big, big things in her business life. I mean, I'll tell you this. Like, if we're taking, like, business out of this, like their presence, power, and confidence is off the charts. Like, when she's in the room, she has this, like, very big presence. And, like, everyone's looking at her to be, like, like, what's coming next?

Like, she's the star without a doubt. But what were some of the takeaways that you took from? It's so hard. I'm trying to be like all business. David, what takeaways did you take from, well, you know what I? You know, there's a couple that I will say. I'm going to say two, get your reaction.

One, when she started the dating app thing and she went up to the, to the owner or developer, I don't even quite remember the exact details of it, but she said, hi, I'm your future co-founder. so the reason why I love that is it's one thing like once that comes out of your mouth you are now living by those words and that reputation and it brings something out of you like you're not going to let that person down you're going to let yourself fail like you're not going to not respond to an email or a text or a call when that's like your opener when that's how you set it up so I love I love the confidence of it because it instantly makes you

you like back it up right there's no like soft about it. The other thing that I liked when you guys were talking about going in for like year-end reviews, I liked when she was talking about like track and document all your wins, like make them a metric. She is so right about that. That is, bang on. She said make them a metric. Use the right verbs and turns. You're talking about successes if you're nervous and then you're done. And I just loved that statement because in my head, that already like if you're, that's a separator for sure. If that should be almost a prerequisite, you would think that that would be a prerequisite for people going to performance reviews, but the fact that they're not or they bring up the wrong things like cost of living in their city, I thought that was like, I was like, yeah, fuck yeah. Like, I love that. Yeah, she nailed that.

I mean, reasons like, that's exactly one, how you prepare for an annual review. And two, that is exactly what you do when you want something, like telling someone like, this is exactly who I am and this is the value I'm going to bring to you because when someone has that type of confidence and that energy, like you. said it makes you believe it and it lets you know that they have the ability and strength to be in that role and with the annual reviews you're right i mean the worst negotiation tactic ever is talking about cost of living adjustment or that you have expenses or that you know you used to make a certain amount of money i mean that that has nothing to do with value creation and value creation is exactly what she's discussing of like write down have a brag book and be ready to go now one thing that i won't condone is the other

before her interview for Real House House as New York. She took three to six shots of tequila before her interview. I don't care how. It sounded like it was electric, but I will not condone that. Because if I did that, the next time in front of those people in front of a camera, guess what I would

think I would have to do? Probably seven because I got a one on my performance from last time, which is the dangerous road. So I'm just going to put a disclaimer out there. That is one, the curious Canadian voice of the viewer. Did not condone from Bryn. That comment made me go immediately to Geneseo. I remember that we had a communication major and a communication professor and we had to give a big presentation like a

marquee presentation and he told people if you're nervous like go have a drink before. He told people that and I was like what? Yeah. I don't know that I would suggest it. Not but not from a communications major. Professor, that's what I mean. Maybe if a bio, Yeah, I was like, biology where it's scientifically proven that it might like spark some neurons in my brain and fire me up, but not. I don't, I don't know.

I don't know about that one. But yeah, no. All right. Well, hey, we both agree. No drinks before our presentations or reviews. What else I got for you? It would have been nice to use her as a little bit of a case study maybe before your love and money book

because she had some very interesting takes towards the old love and money aspects of what I think she's looking for or her experience with it or how she looks at it. There's a lot of pre-nep talk. I mean, when I was on her podcast, I mean, she was pretty much saying,

like, I will not date a man unless he's wealthy. And I was like, okay, I don't think that's a winning strategy. However, and nor do I agree with it. But hey, at least like, you're open, honest and you're talking about it. Like, I guess, you know, how many people, like, you're talking about it. which is good. I think.

I don't know. I don't know. I think. She had a line where she said, Mary for money and pay for it the rest of your life, which sounds absolutely miserable. So if that is her strategy or that is her advice. She is wild.

I think a lot of this stuff she does is, I think a lot of it's for shock value. I think so too. I think she loves it. like you know we all have that friend who's like who like knows that they're like reliant for like a one line or a zinger and it sometimes takes 10 to land um i was told though by by an old mentor of mine who said uh you can marry more in one day than you can make in the for the rest of your life and i thought that was an interesting quote as well i mean it's just like in my opinion when the basis of the relationship has anything to do with money it just becomes

so toxic and such and it's you there's there's no way you can connect on you can't be in love on that no it doesn't serve if there's no longevity in that like it's a failing strategy that's it's it's a failing strategy that's a failing strategy yeah it's a failing strategy 100% and like everything comes at a cost right so if that's the case then imagine the toxicity and leverage that person may or may not use with it but does that make you know I don't I don't It's an interesting topic, right? Just this whole, the whole topic is. It is.

I think that we can both agree, not a strategy that we would. Condone, endorse, or, like, think would be the move by any means. But, hey, you know what? She knows what she wants and she's not afraid to say it. She is not afraid. In fact, she's putting her hand out volunteering to say it. But that's, you know, she's had a lot of success from it. One question that I have for you that are interesting your take on, because I actually

I don't know how you're going to answer it. She said you have to make seven figures to live in New York City. Do you agree with that or do you disagree with that? Absolutely. Okay, good. That's like a heat check. That's like, I know you're thinking about moving there. I mean, that's, no, you don't have to make seven figures to live in New York City.

I just didn't want people to hear that and us not address it and let people know listening that. again talk about like it was an interesting take that she made based on like lifestyle you want to have but by no means we are we are for the people here to we agree with that yeah i mean of course yeah i mean like listen if you're if you got a place that's 5k a month and there's a lot of places that are less than that there's a lot of places that are more than that but if you got a place that's 5k a month in new york city that is 60 grand of after tax dollars just on rent so if you put tax in a perspective there let's just say you multiply times 1.5 right there just on rent that's like 90k of income aid, right? Then think about everything else like food and and all the other

expenses. You know, I see it definitely, it's a very, very expensive city that continues to just get more expensive and her points about those were correct. And I also believe she is right that like it is the best city in the world and it will continue to have inflationary periods because it's just the biggest invest city in the world. But I'm no, you don't have to make a million dollars to live there. So for someone who does make, a million dollars who is thinking about living there can you update update the people that you were just there

the reason we didn't recap last week is Jason you're at the Broadway show that your brother was a producer on which is very exciting so tell me a little bit about that because you guys are on the what do you want the co it's like co-producer or some aspect of that for we were art so tell me about that how that was and then give

the people a little New York update what are you looking at what neighborhoods get people excited here come on it was such a dream dude to be on that like that was my brother's you know my brother and i growing up our interests were always so different right we never played on a sports team together i was always we just had such different interests i was always playing soccer and hockey and lacrosse and stephen was really into like magic and he was into broadway and arts and he was the star performer on and Cinderella for the lead of the musical. He was Prince Charming. And so like that, his dream has

always been to work in Broadway. And then his biggest dream has been to be a producer. And he's a producer on the last five years with Adrian Warren and Nick Jonas. And then a co-producer is what I am technically, because we raised $200,000. Shout out to some of the Trading Secrets fans that came on board. And we put together a group of investors. And therefore we get a co-producer role as investors and it's a very very high risk investment like the likelihood of return is very low because it's it's just a hard hard business but you know it's really cool to be there my parents were there it was such a great time it was searching for places in new york city i'm still debating on what i'm going to do i'm looking at more places tomorrow i actually have to go to new york city tomorrow for a

24 hour quick trip i'm doing a campaign with chilies but i'm looking i'm looking at Tribeca, Nolita, Soho, I'm looking at Hudson Square, West Village, Flatiron, and even financial district. And so all those things offer such different things. But it's wild. I did some of these apartment tours on my social media. Like in West Village, like this place, it's one bedroom, one bath on the living room, 12 grand a month. Like it's crazy what the cost is of these apartments. And I'll be doing more of those this week. So stay tuned on social. But that's what's hot. That's what's going on. And I spoke at University of Tennessee this past week, had the best time speaking at the business school.

So it was a busy week. Now, I'm going to ask you a question about your potential priorities when it comes to New York. Just like you asked Bryn about her dating life priorities, she said intelligence, money, humor, personality, and looks. When you think about apartment, I'm going to put this in front of you. Price square footage, let's just say like beds and baths, okay? price square footage location um let's say like teddy like where how like what's best for him in terms of like walkable and parks and let's say like nightlife like what like in those five categories the number one most important thing honestly is proximity to either backyard a dog park

in the building or a dark park closed by because teddy will be with me 100% so that's like super super important. I want a two bedroom, two bath, because I'll be using this as office space and podcast studio space too. So when I go there, anybody that works in the city will, like, we will be have, we'll be working from there. So it's going to be like an office too. I spend so much in hotels. So it's just like there's a bed there as well. But it's going to be like office podcast and living. Budget is probably in the five grand to 10 grand range a month. We'll see what it gets. I love windows, big window guy. So that's great. And then when we have talent, for the agency that, like, is in the city or something,

we'll be able to either let them use the place if I'm not there. Or we can rent it or we can also rent out the podcast studio for those who want to record. So, yeah, man, it's, I'm excited about it. It's going to be great. Did that answer all those questions? Yeah, no, that's good. I want to be in the action, though. Like, I'm in New York City.

If I'm doing this, right, I'm there to be there for business, work, and personal reason. So, like, I want to be in the action. And then if I get a house in Nashville, I can be out and, you know, wherever just with space and land and a big spot for you know tell you to run around or wherever whatever end up doing in that front but to be in new york city for a year to test it out like let's be in the mix that's why like all the amenities dude like financial district you could have cold punch so you could have sauna you know like a golf simulators like it's crazy they have full

pools all the craziest shit in financial district and you get bigger places at cheaper prices but it's a little sleep yeah it is it is i always uh my my dad had this great quote and i can't even three and a half years I've never said on this podcast and I was debating where to live one time because my work was like 45 minutes away from kind of like the action and my dad said when it comes to commuting he said commute to work not to fun and I always thought because I was because people listening might be in that dilemma all the time we're like but I'm worked there I'm there I'm there all the time so like I should get a place there but then you work out in this suburb or something and there's there's nothing there so it's it's nothing there so it's

It was when I was actually debating live in Rochester, Geneseo, and I worked for Geneseo. And he was like, no, don't. He's like, go commute to Geneseo. Don't live in Geneseo and have to commute the fun in Rochester. And then we never would have met if I lived in Geneseo because then I wouldn't have living with Sam. Well, not mad, but. Look at that. Yeah.

Become the boys we are. Unbelievable. Well, you know what? Look at all that. Look at all that. David, let me ask you this. One more thing with the brief. So any other, any other big eye opening moments for you?

anything you're thinking about it that we need to address before we wrap up here? I mean I have like she was, that was intense so I was

you know I was has she followed up has she tried to ask you on a date did she did she did you have to dial

911 when the cameras are what happened after anything or was that just like you shook your hand and she hasn't heard and you haven't heard from her again it was like wow

that really is who she is no it was flirty banter we all like for business stuff at the end of it we talked a little bit about like um just like stuff she's working on and we were all in a group text and that's it no we haven't that's it dude we just just podcast it and uh yeah well i have to say um she was fun the fun like i mean great like wildly that's what i was going to say i said i I didn't know who Bryn was. I don't watch Real House Eyes of New York. I had no, I had no clue what to expect.

And I left extremely entertained and, you know, informed along the way with a couple zingers, a couple of quotes, a couple like head scratchers. So she was, she delivered. Everyone has different relationships with Bunny. And that's one of the cool things about this show is that we get to see people, whether it's on pop culture or industry experts or just have so much wisdom like, you know, Mrs. Dow Jones. like, and just you get to hear the relationship with money.

So it's kind of cool to hear that relationship with money from a different perspective and someone who is wildly entertaining, not only on this podcast, but on our TVs as well. Teddy is getting fired up here. I'm going to go take him for a little W&A. Nice. Hey, you got anything else before we wrap here, brother? Dude, did you see, did you see his, uh, his DNA? I did see that.

He's got a lot of, uh, a lot of, uh, there's a lot of learning. You got a lot to tell them. There's lots of explaining to do there. There's a lot of different breeds on that list. 16 breeds on that list. That's awesome. This is a wild man. I love it.

Only 2% golden. That's crazy. Crazy, right? That's nuts. Well, go take, he deserves it. You think I should cut your hair? Yes, I've been saying it for like a month and a half. You think it's time?

Oh, yeah, it was time. It's been time. Really? Okay. Yeah, you're due. You're due. Don't grow. it down to the shoulder? No. Dude,

you don't want to be competing. That's like, you know, when they say your owner, your dog looks like the owner, it's like you get down to the shoulders and like it's like now you're just twins and that's just you can't be doing that. Teddy, I just twins. I love it. All right. We're going to wrap. This was a wild

episode. One electric one. David, it's good to be back on the ones and twos. Everyone, give us five stars. You can't tell you how much it helps us. And thank you for tuning into another episode of train secrets one hopefully you couldn't afford to make.