Trading Secrets - 24: Netflix’s "Too Hot To Handle” Harry Jowsey Talks Sending Nudes and Going from Completely Broke to a Millionaire by 24 Years Old

Episode Date: October 25, 2021

“Too Hot To Handle's” Harry Jowsey might have just given us the most wild episode yet. From being completely broke to winning $100k on reality TV and over $1M from Only Fans, from pretending to be a model to sending hundreds of applications and nudes to get noticed, from absolutely hating school to growing a social media following of almost 4M and becoming a millionaire by 24, this is truly an episode of Trading Secrets you can't afford to miss.  For All Access Content - join our networking group for less than 30 cents a day! Host: Jason Tartick Voice of Viewer: David Arduin Executive Producer: Evan Sahr Produced by Dear Media.

The following podcast is a dear media production. Welcome back to another episode of Trading Secrets. Today, we're excited to be here with a reality TV star, an influencer, entrepreneur, podcaster, investor, and much more. But I'm going to stop there because I don't want to bump his tires too hard. Harry Joussey. Harry has dominated the reality TV dating scene appearing on Austrian dating show, Heartbreak Island one year before the Netflix hit too hot to handle.

He won the $100,000 prize on Heartbreak Island with his then-girlfriend and then got a share of a $75,000 prize fund and too hot to handle. It doesn't stop there. He owns a clothing line, sunglasses company, and a dating app. Harry has used his platform to create many opportunities for himself and is quickly blown up in the social media space with almost 10 million fucking followers killing it.

Harry, thank you so much for coming on trading secrets today. We appreciate your time. I've never had an intro like that. It makes me feel kind of important. Thank you so far. There we go. We're pumping your time. We're going to build you up and break it down.

I'm just kidding, man. I'm just kidding. But I want to get kind of right into the reality shows that you were on. So I was on The Bachelor. And every season, you know, someone from The Bachelor, one or two people blow up on social media. And we actually recently just had an analyst that goes through every single person on the show. They monitor their screen time. They monitor

their personalities. And then they break down how they're following on social media ensues from that. So majority of the takeaways are the people that are like the really real, authentic and like kind-hearted, sweet individuals are the ones that take off. Now, I'm not saying, and you're not a sweetheart and kind individual, but you tell me if I'm wrong, but you kind of had that, like, bad boy image. So was it just you that took off? Was it surprising to you that you took off?

Tell me about what that was like and how your success on social media is compared to other people from the shows that you were on. Yeah, I think the biggest thing was, I never pumped the brakes. Like, I haven't really had a day off with all of this stuff since the show kind of come out.

I think that, you know, a lot of people in this similar show kind of, I just felt like that was it. Like they hit the ceiling that made it. Let's continue to just do the same old stuff that we were doing before. So I think my difference in success was that I saw the opportunity, did my absolute best to hold on to it. And then I've just continued to keep the wheels moving on this social media train.

Yeah, that's really cool. And so before the social media train hit, I think I read that you were a model. Is that right? Like what was your professional outlook from your perspective before you went on your first reality TV show. To be honest, that was the biggest lie that I've ever come out with. Oh, that was a lot. I love that. So I was at university and I hated it. I hated it so much. And I'm like, you know what? I'm going to try and be a model. Like I'm skinny. I can figure it out. Maybe I can walk a runway or something. And then I hit up this modeling agency that was in like a

city that wasn't too far from me. So I flew down there. They ended up charging me like an $800 sign up fee and then like $500 for like a photo shoot. And I was like, damn, I don't really feel like this is how it works. So then I flew to a different city and got like this really expensive photographer to take photos of me and Tommy Hilfiger undies. And I was like, I'm going to post these and tag Tommy like it was a sponsored post like I was doing a shoot for them. And then ever since then there's been like every time I see like stuff about me online, like I got the Tommy Hilfiger model. And I was like damn, that is sick. It was all of my dollar. Like it was all my daughter. I never was a model. I got told I was too tall. After I signed up, they told me I was living too far away when it was

something like an hour flight and then all this stuff. So I was like, okay, well, I guess this isn't, this isn't meant for me. But yeah, I'm not really, I'm not really much of a model, that's for sure. So that's interesting. Now, we have had some people from, like, we've had the host of MTV, Rob Deer Dick and Gary Vee and all the sharks from Shark Tank. We've tapped into a shit ton of musicians. We've sheds like a lot of industries.

Modeling one is, we just haven't touched it. So when you told, like, I just was initially shocked. One, I love the fake until you make it. you got the Tommy Hill figure tag sponsored and now everyone thinks your model, that's great. But you're telling me there was an agency that convinced you that you had to actually pay them

to be a model? Yeah, yeah. So it was like, it was one of those ones because I was applying for literally every single model agency and I didn't have any photos. I didn't have any professional photos done. And one agency was literally just taking on

every single person and their dog. And I was like, damn, like maybe I should start with this agency, maybe because I don't really understand what success meant in that industry. So I was just like, maybe if I joined this team, like they're growing so quick, that's a good sign. And I joined on and did literally nothing just to have a spot on the website. Gotcha. Unbelievable. And so when you go on Heartbreak Island at this point, are you doing anything professionally and financially, like, where are you at? You have money? You kind of broke? Like, what's the status of Harry before Heartbreak Island?

working three jobs while I was at doing a double grade university. I was trying my absolute best to get ahead and get by. I was very fortunate that, uh, you know, my family, like, uh, helped my housing situation, looked after me in that, spent in that sense. But I was putting all my money in my time into trying to get through university because it was my dad's, like, biggest goal to have like his sons go through university. But by the time I went on Harpac Island, like I was pretty, I was pretty dead broke. Like, I wasn't really doing too well financially. I literally thought that, like, you know, your paycheck each week is like the max amount of money you could get ever.

So I was sitting there just like, oh, Dan, like, cool, like I'm doing okay. Like, took me a long time to save up like $8,000. And I was like, okay, cool, like this is it. And then obviously went on Heartbreak Island. I won that show. And then that's kind of the first time I ever really had a taste of, you know, a pretty big paycheck. Yeah. So you get the big paycheck there.

One question I ask almost everyone, because it's interesting when you, rewire people's career steps, everyone has this like totally different take on college. Some people are super nerdy and they use that degree to canapult them. You had just mentioned that like, you were like, well, college wasn't my thing. Knowing what you know now, making the money that you make now, doing it the way that you've always imagined, someone came to you and said, I'm not sure about college, I'm up in the air about it as I pursue career navigation. What advice would Harry give them?

I would tell them to go travel, go travel the world. save up as much money as you can and go try and figure out who you are as a person because I think that's the biggest misunderstanding and I saw it happen when my brother is that once you finish school, you know exactly who you want to be in the direction that you want to go.

So my brother went straight into being an engineer and he fucking, he hated it. I don't know if I can swear on anybody. You could swear it all day long. So he hated it and I made the decision to go and travel. So I saved all my money up. I went and traveled the world. and I guess I got some maturity out of my belt

which at the time was very necessary, much needed and then I really figured out who I wanted to be and I remember coming back and I was like cool I don't want to work for anyone like I never want to work for a person again I want to be my boss and then that's how I got into university but to be honest I think the university

depends on the person and how you receive information like I was terrible at high school I sucked it following directions and being told how to think I love going out there and making the mistakes and learning from it and then going forward and then this is how I need to do it and this is how I grow. I hate being told by someone else like, hey, this is how I found success.

Now copy me exactly. It just doesn't work for me. I get so bored in that sense. I get very excited about like figuring it out myself. So I think it depends. Like obviously if you want to be an engineer, have to go to university. You're going to be a doctor. You probably should go to university.

But there probably is places where you could be. a doctor without a degree, but it's probably the black market. But I just think that's good. Yeah, university wasn't, isn't for everyone. I like to, I mean, there's some big takeaways there. And what I'm hearing is like you have to have a customized approach. Not only do you have to have a customized approach, but you have to really find yourself before you start letting like a university find you. And so I like some of the ideas you have about like traveling and understanding really what it is that you want to do, as opposed to the world telling you what you should do and what you study and then go get stuck doing it.

So that's good advice for me, Harry. So then you're pretty much scrapping by double university. Mom and Dad are helping you out. And then you land on your first reality show and then you win $100,000. So for anybody that's never seen Heartbreak Island, kind of explain what it took to win that $100,000. It was honestly like a spaghetti bowl of shows put together. Like all your reality, like Bachelor in Paradise,

mix with like Big Brother, mixed with Survivor. They just threw it all together. and thought that it was going to work. And it kind of did, but it didn't really. So to survive, you had to do challenges and you have to win the challenges to move into the next thing. But you also like had to kind of like fall in love or like try and get a relationship. It was like bizarre.

I was like, I don't know what's working, but I'm going to try like find a girlfriend as well as trying to win the challenges because some of the dudes were like massive and like they work out all time. And at that time I wasn't really big. But I was like, I'm going to try and find a girlfriend. And then I'm, she's smarter than me. So I'm going to use her. brains to try

with these challenges. And that's kind of how it all went about. It's a very tricky show to understand. I don't think they've really thought about it. But I think now they've got to figure it out a little bit better. Sounds like a real fucked up college version of like Survivor. It honestly was.

I love it. All right. So you win your 100K. And so how many people are on that show? Like how many people start? Around. God. I think it was 10 people all up. I think it was five guys, five girls. I believe don't, yeah, don't fact check me on that because I just remember being lined up

and I was like, oh, I remember there was one girl and I was like, you severely catfish to everyone because I remember everyone I love the honesty. You win the 100K though. So you get catfished, you see these massive dudes, you outthink them, you outwork them, and apparently you fake a relationship

but in return you got 100K. So now you're a young kid and you got 100K. What's the first thing you're doing with that money? So we actually had to, so I had to split it with my girlfriend at the time. Okay. So you got 50 of that. Yeah, we got 50. The wire hit me right away. And I remember sitting there and I was like, damn, this is kind of crazy. And at that point, for the months leading up to it, I was starting my very first company, which was my

sunglasses brand with my best friend who I met on the show. So as soon as that money come in, I sent 30 to that account. So within seconds, 30 racks was already gone. And then I had a fitness app that I was trying to figure out how to start. So right away, I think I sent, 10K to get that set up. And then I used the rest of money to book all the boys' flights to L.A. And then once we got to L.A. Because I wanted to celebrate because I was like,

oh, you guys did it with me. So it was like a handful of us. We all flew. We had a great time. But then we, in the prize fund, there was like a car. There was like a TV. There was all those extra stuff.

So we ended up selling that while I was away. And then I remember I was at a club here in L.A., which I've never gone back to since. And they scanned me like 20-something grand. 20 grand? They legit. So I remember, I was like,

what clubber can you not bring it up? No, I don't bring it up because they suck. Okay. Okay. But it was, but this was so long ago, I remember being there with my friends and the bill was $8,000, which is an absurd amount to spend at a club,

especially, we didn't know, like we kind of got like, you know, when all the sparklers and stuff are coming out, there was a promoter was there, he was making his friends come over and say, oh, this is my birthday or get this bottle for this girl.

But I was, I remember, specifically seeing a bill for $8,000. And then the next day, my bank called me. They froze all my accounts because this is like, hey, like, 27 grand's gone. And at that time, I was like, holy shit. Like, why am I spending money like a billionaire? So it's bizarre.

And then that trip ended pretty sad. And I come back and I was trying to figure out how to get that money back for like a year. Wow. Harry, I hope that you now have a manager in place that is actually getting you paid at least $27,000 to show up to a club as opposed to paying. 27 grand to be at a club. I hope that rhetoric has changed. All right, good stuff. But I think that's a, I like kind of how you took on a lot. Obviously, it's some pleasure with it, but you took on some risk. You immediately invested into those two companies. With that 100K, for anyone out

there that is looking to potentially take either a bonus or potential savings and put it into a quick investment like you did, do you have any big takeaways from the success or failures you had with those businesses, and did you lose any money with the businesses that you did invest in right off the get-go at that 100K? So I lost all the money, to be honest. I love to be honest. But you learned from that shit. Yeah, I think the best thing about it all was the lessons that I learned, I know it's corny to say, but the lessons that I learned about starting my first business and how I kind of went about operating things from that point forward, I think that if you have a bonus coming in, don't invest in shit that your friends, like, telling you is a great

idea. Invest in something that you love, like, something that you're going to be excited about checking in on. Like, I started the sunglasses company because we were on, we were in Fiji and we're like, oh, we should have, we should have sunglasses. And then I never wear them. Like, I don't love sunglasses. And at this point now, like, the companies that we are creating, it's stuff that we love. And I wake up and I get excited about thinking about the ideas and wanting to move forward, if it's something that you're not excited about, or if a friend selling you invest in a stock or like a crypto coin or something that you really don't understand or not excited about, then I personally think, don't do it. Like, find something, save that money

for a rainy day and they're cool, you know, maybe you want to sell your grandma's scarf that she knits and you're excited about growing that business. Put stuff aside for that because you're going to, it's going to be more enjoyable and you're going to be more passionate about it and you're going be more passionate about wanting it to win and succeed. I love that fee. I mean, that's feedback from someone who lost thousands of thousands of dollars doing it the wrong way. So I love that feedback. And I think people should take that to laugh about it. But hey, you know, I think people should also take that same exact feedback as they approach their job. Like, there are so many fucking jobs out there in companies that you could work for that you could be proud to see. Like, think about the

companies that you buy or the, you know, just like suppose you're a big sports fan. Like that team has thousands of jobs you could work for. I think people need to take that approach too. But, okay, so Harry wins his 100K, blows it all, gets ripped off on bottle service, invest some business, goes belly up. At this point, how much is your social media grown just after the first show? Like 40,000 followers, I think. 40,000 followers. So at this point, are you monetizing really anything from your social media platform? I was doing my absolute best, but I was trying to find ways Like the thing that I was trying to monetize the most was this fitness app that I had, but people didn't look at me like, oh shit, I don't look like him. It was more like I wanted to show my parents that I can figure out how to live life and use my social media following a way to make sales and stuff like that.

And it was, again, it was like a silly gimmick. And I wasn't proud of it, but I learned a lot. But yeah, I genuinely wasn't really making any money whatsoever. Okay. Interesting. Yeah, I mean, the fitness industry, it is so. hard to make money and positively cash flow if you own like a gym or you're in that business. But there is a ton of money in the supplements. That's where the, that's where the big,

big money's made in the fitness world. So you do the app. You then land like how long was this period between Heartbreak Island and landing on too hot to handle? I think it was a year or two, to be honest. I remember I was with my, so again, things were going belly up. I couldn't really pay rent anymore. So I moved in with my best friend, Chris Chatt and his family. And because we were operating the sunglasses company out of his house. And I was like, fuck, this isn't it. Like, we, this sucks. Like, I wasn't happy with where I was and like things were pretty stagnant. And I didn't know how to get ahead. It was like one thing I loved doing is like entertaining people and shooting for the start. So I literally, for like four months, every single day I would wake up.

I would find any single show and I would apply for it. And then I finally found that casting director for Love Island, UK, and they sent me the application to, like, apply. And I sent, like, 10 different applications in different names, different photos, some naked, like, nudes, like, everything was, like, these. Wait, you, I was like, you fuck is going to see me. Wait, you say that so casually. You just sent in nudes? Yeah, I was like, these guys have to fucking see me.

Like, I was, I was making the most bizarre answers. I was making shit up. I was lying. I was saying shit that was, like, completely left field to try and, like, get a response. or something. And then they started hitting my line. And I was like, cool, now we're on, went through the casting process for that show. And the same people were casting for LaValle and UK were also casting for what to handle. And then they were just like, hey, I remember I got the call like, hey, so we'll work on this other show. We think it's going to be bigger,

a little bit better. We can't tell you what it's cool. We can't tell you who it's for, but you just have to trust us. And I was like, well, fuck, like, we've gone this far. Like it was months of back and forth day. And I was like, sure, let's do it. I don't care what it is. I want to figure it out. And then they flew me to Australia because I was living in Auckland, New Zealand at the time. Flew me to Australia for one coffee to meet a guy to make sure I wasn't like weird or like catfishing or anything like that. So I had a coffee. He's like, you're really funny. And I'm like, sick. That's awesome. And then went straight back to New Zealand, didn't hear from him for like a month. And then I just got sent

my flights and everything like that was next thing. I was on the show. I mean, whether you know it or not, there are multi, multi-million dollar lessons, though. and what your approach is, right? So, you know, what I think is really cool is, like, you targeted, and what most people actually in life don't do is they target exactly what they want. They find the different avenues to go, and then they do extreme things to get the attention of those people. I mean, you targeted the shows, you sent multiple applications in, and then you got attention,

whether it was showing your hammer to them or not, someone responded to you. And so the question I have, in that process, the one thing that I got a little lost in was you had mentioned, you said something about 10 names, 10 different names. Do you mean 10 different shows or like you use different aliases, like not your name here? Different names. Yeah, it was like, it was like Harold or Patrick or like it was the design. I was like, whatever person they like, that's still going to lead to me. And like it's, you know, it's silly just putting one application in and thinking that you're going to be amazing. I was like, well, I could write these answers to these questions a hundred

different times. So I may as well do it. and then they're going to look at it regardless. How many total applications do you think under different names and I mean, the pictures, I assume we're all the same? How many total applications like the sum do you think you submit? Hundreds.

I was doing it for months. Hundreds? Yeah, I was really doing it for months. Wow. All right. So when you say nudes, I mean, you're saying like everything. You put it all right. You can see the fucking veins in my dick, is what I'm saying.

You know what? You know what you want. You went for it. Hundreds of applications. and you got their attention. You get their attention. And I want to keep going down this timeline and skip, but I can't, I'll be remissed if I forget this part.

What was the actual name that you used that got the attention of the casting director? Was it, Harry? I think it was Patrick Harrison, because my middle name was Patrick. So I just switched around. And I was like, all right. And then when you met with them, did you tell them?

Like, yeah, just bullshit. You guys been out here. My name's actually Harry. Like, nice to meet you. And he's like, oh, you're funny. And then they started asking me, how many guys I said with? And I was like, here's the list. Go through it.

I love that. You hold nothing back, Harry. That's a beautiful thing about you. And when you're talking as you're telling the story, you would think things like you're telling me, like you can see the veins on your dick or the list of chicks that you banged. I would be like, this fucking guy.

You got to be kidding. But I'm so intrigued and I want to know more. And on top of it, you're so honest. So I'm like, I'm like, this is all I like this guy. This is great. So then you meet with them, and I do think there are some business cases and lessons to be learned here, too, as your approach. So you finally do it. You finally land what I'll say, let's even equate this to someone who's like trying to get a J.P. Morgan Chase or they're trying to land an agent job at a big agency.

They go like crazy. They got a million people that could do it, just like a million people could go on too hot to handle, but they land the interview. You landed the interview and landed the opportunity to go on too hot to handle. And you won. So what was your strategy going into the show to say, I got the opportunity, I need to make a monster splash to create impressions and brand and impact? What did you do? What was your thought process?

The first thing I said to all the boys was, hey, I'm not here to make friends. I've already got friends at home, and this is a competition, and I'm going to go into those interview rooms, and I'm going to talk shit about you. So the first thing in their head is Harry's talking shit about me. I may as well talk about him. So then already all the lads don't like me. They're already talking about why they don't like me and what's going on. So I was like, okay, well, I'm already ahead now because they're already going to be thinking about me when there's getting asked questions or who they don't like.

They're going to say, Harry. So that was like the first thing I did. And then the next thing I did is actually they didn't show it, but I already created a handshake to come in there. So instead of fist bumping, I was like making everyone click their hands together like that, but like clicking at the same time. So I was like, okay, there's another thing that I've created. that could either be used or not. It could be seen on camera, could not. And then the next thing I did is I started calling people like weird names,

like food names are like naughty little possum and stuff like that because I was like, no one else is going to come in with this much charisma, say this most wild shit that's kind of like funny and then move forward from there. So I was like, that was the biggest thing for me is just coming in. And from day one, I was like, well, I know why I'm here. I know what my end goal is. and it isn't to be liked by these people is to just have a big impact on the show

because it was on Netflix and at that time I remember going on there and I was like there's no reality shows on Netflix so this could be the first one so I'll sit now I was like well do I just want to sit and be worried about these people judging me or do I want to go hard

do I want to make the person at home feel entertained and also try and like fulfill my goal and that was the fall in love my biggest goal on that show I remember I was manifesting it for like two weeks was to find a girlfriend fall in love. And it all happened. And I was like, okay, cool.

Like, I did something right. But I think the biggest thing that I did was just make sure that if someone's talking shit, they're talking shit about me. And so your thought process with that was when I create the handshake, if people are talking shit, if I fall in love, the name Harry is going to be used often. And if the name Harry is used often, whether they like me or not, whether I am the lovable guy or the villain, I'm going to be a big part of this show.

and a big part of this show is going to equal more screen time and more screen time is going to equal a bigger impact. Is that a pretty solid summary of what you were thinking as to why you were doing it? Yeah. And again, another thing as well is I remember my best friend, Christian, he said, you need to be a meme. And I think that kind of would stuck with me the whole time

is like, what can I do? That's going to make me a meme because that's how you kind of stick around for a longer time or you get bigger beyond the show. So that was my biggest sore process, again, when I was in there. I was like, damn, because I don't really think about shit too much. Like, I just go and flow.

If it works, it works. If it comes out right, it comes out, right? So I was just like, okay, cool. The biggest thing I can do is become a meme. I'll say silly shit. I'll say dumb stuff. Or I'll try and, like, put myself in a position where I'm embarrassing myself,

but I know in a year's time or two years time when the show comes out, that it's going to make someone laugh at home. Okay, I love it. It's amazing strategy and it worked out. So I got to play Devils Advocate. I got to challenge you a little bit and then I want to hear your response. So I'm going to challenge you by saying, you're brilliant, you're smart, you come up with

all these ways to get in front of the camera, you get in front of the camera, you come up with a strategy to do it. In the Bachelor world, the biggest thing fans critique us on is, are you there for the right reasons? Are you there just to get fame? And I'll tell you this, everyone at some level of percentage is there to get fame. And anyone who says they're not as full of shit, I'm going to challenge you and say, if you went through all this process, all these applications, through the dick picks out there, did

the names and then came up with the strategy of being like the villain or the hero, but being involved, there's no way that you actually went there to fall in love. I'd say that. That's my opinion based on what you're telling me. What's your response? What's your response? No. So the fame aspect was the first initial thought process. That was the first thing I thought about. I was like, okay, cool. I'm going on Love Island, not to fall in love is to get millions of followers and figure out a career around it to boost my sunglasses brand and then help my family back home. That was my biggest. That was my first thought. As the process started going on, I was like, you know, like I really need a girlfriend. Like I haven't had love. I haven't had this.

So then the fame aspect dipped under the girlfriend thing and still there. And again, I say the exact same thing to people in our show where they were just like, oh, I was there to find a girlfriend. It's like, you weren't. You were lying through your fucking teeth. You were not there to find that maybe it was an aspect of it but the fame outweighs everything because you have to think like again a lot of people don't really understand it's like very normal people

live in very normal lives some people are counting some people working at bottle stores some people doing this very normal lives then suddenly they get their lives changed like winning the lottery so it's very the fame aspect is massively attractive

and that was again there was my first thing until I found love and I was like shit like there was a moment on the show where my ex was trying to talk to another guy and I told the producers like, hey, I actually realized like why I'm here and I don't want to be here anymore because she's not with me. And I was trying to leave. I was trying to get out of here because I was like, you know, like this doesn't matter what fame it is. Like I'm heartbroken. Yeah. I just want to go home. But fame again, massive aspect of it. And I would be lying to my teeth if I told you that I didn't.

It wasn't attractive for me. Gotcha. Okay. No, I think that that makes a lot more sense. And so then you go on the show and you make the big impact that you do and you end up I think that what was the you guys all split was it 75K that was the prize fund yeah so that ended up is 7500 in your pocket is that correct yeah okay and so like for like how does like the like you were willing to risk cash at points through the show for love so like tell me about what your thinking process was because I think that's something that everyone thinks about love versus cash and obviously they put it on a show to entertain us. But what was going through your head with that? So I remember when we were there and they were telling us about, you know, there's money up for grabs. And it was like 100K. And I was like,

my biggest thing was, $100,000. There's nowhere they're splitting it between 10 people because I was like, the logistics of international bank accounts, all the stuff, just sounds so difficult. I personally wouldn't do it. So I was sitting there. It's just going to be one person. It's not going to be me. So I'm just going to have a good time. I was really falling in love. with this other person, I was head over heels and I was, I don't really care about like a sum of money for someone else. You know, I was like, you know, that money actually isn't in anyone's pockets yet. It's just an imaginary amount that we've been told we would have. So I was like, you know what? Like, I'm going to follow my heart and my, one of my top two love languages is

physical touch. So then that's how we started like spending the money and then people started getting very angry and then but also again i was just like i was telling my girlfriend at the time i was like the more money we spend here the more money we make later on don't worry i love it spend a few thousand too hot to handle by breaking the rules because that money will get you a shit loan more and it's crazy dude i was just talking to a guy who's a musician and so he was thinking about actually playing on a reality show so you know how reality shows will have like someone like actually play a play a music and like they'll say the name of the artist and stuff. He would have got about two minutes of air time.

It's like he's like playing for a date. He would have had to pay $17,000 to get that two minutes of air time on this dating show. And so I think about from your perspective, if there's a guy who's willing to pay 17K to just get two minutes of a big reality dating show, think about the money that is you're actually, you're obviously not receiving it in dollars, but the value of how much you're getting every minute you're on that screen. And it makes sense. So you get off the show then. At this point, you've made less than 100K being on these reality TV shows.

And you've told us how you've spent a little bit of it. So you get off and how quickly is your following just skyrocketing? Yeah, because everyone was in the middle of quarantine. And people didn't really have a lot to do. So they just wanted to watch idiots run around on a dating show. So I spend cash to touch each other. That's what I'm saying. So I remember I was sitting there and I had, I think I just hit over 100,000 followers

because I was working pretty hard on my social media. And I remember the first day and I jumped like 30,000 followers. I was like, oh shit, this is cool. And then my story reviews were like consistently at like $200,000. I was like, damn. Then it snowballed. Like it went crazy. There was the day where I hit a million followers.

I remember I woke up in the morning. My friends had balloons. They sprayed with champagne. It was a craziest feeling. and I was like, wow, this is wild. Like, I just know that nothing's ever going to, like, be the same. So I was like, awesome. Like, this is cool.

And then I remember going on and bed at night and I checked my phone. It was like, two million followers. I was like, what the fuck going on? Because that was, I think that was just the peak of the show. And like, we just come out that we're still in a relationship and everything was going good before it went bad. And then it was very bizarre. It was a weird feeling.

I remember being overwhelmed and anxious and, like, confused because, like, we were still in our apartment. it was still me and my boys and like nothing was different. I think that's why I'm still the same person is because I didn't get a chance to go to the clubs and everyone would be like, oh my God, you're the man. It was more so just like, we're still in the apartment and they were still hanging out, but still like chat and shit like playing PlayStation and they're just like hanging out. So I think it was a massive blessing as well because still like a little, little small town,

Harry. Yeah, I love that. And so you guys had the plan, right? You talked about like the money will come. And so you get off the show, followers are skyrocketing. You're doing your own thing in quarantine in the apartment, you know, staying true and down to earth. When was the first moment or what was like the first big brand deal for you

that someone came knocking in and said like, hey, we got this much to pay. This is what we need you to do that you were like, oh shit, that's a lot of money. This is a real thing. I think it was boo. To be honest, they're still my sponsor now. I think they come in hot. There was one of my friends who manages other social media. influences and he's like, hey, we have $150,000 for you. And I was like, what the fuck? I was

like, yo, like I don't need that much money. And I realized that he was just fluffing it up because he was trying to sign me. But I remember sitting there and I was like, wow, like this, I was like, are you sure they want to spend that money on me? And there was also another brand like quickly after that wanted to do like a collection with me. And they said, oh yeah, we want to give you a hundred K. And I turned to them, I was like, you don't need to do that. Like you don't need to give me I was like, what? And I was like, look, like, why me? Like, I can show you like a million other people that are better for this, better suit for your brand than me. And they're just like, what are you saying? Like, you don't want to work with us? I was like, no, like, I would love to,

but I'm just confused. Like, I was very, like, worried. I'm like, why, why do you need to do this? It's just like, it's just me. Like, I don't mind, like, hanging out and, like, being my own person. But, yeah, it was, it was honestly, because it happened really quick. Like, it happened within a month like everything just flipped and i had my merch my merch my merch was selling i remember i would wake up i'd go train with my boy and there would be like a shopify will be like a two thousand dollars already for the day i'm like it's fucking seven a m like i don't know what's going on it was it was very bizarre i remember i maxed out all my credit cards because they were like because i was doing it through print on demand so it was like yeah maxing all my shit out i remember sitting i was like this is

just really weird because at that point before i was really struggling to make ends meet i was doing money could with my business and like trying to figure out how to navigate like the LA lifestyle and then it all just kind of like changed like right away like I was like damn like all the hard work or the company all the stuff that I set it like the nets that I set up before this I call them like fishing nets yeah they set up before this have all kind of just like paid off and I was sitting there I was like damn this is really bizarre this is a weird feeling just wild and so for anyone that just heard Harry say print on demand maxing out the credit cards we'll do a recap after he goes and Harry a lot in our recaps will like break down some business

lessons. We'll explain print on demand for merch and why he had to max out his credit card. So if you got confused by that, hang tight. And so Harry, then you realize like these companies are willing to pay you 100 grand or willing to pay you 150 grand. At this point, you're saying yourself like, I don't need that, man, I'll do it for less. I'm sure there was a learning curve where you quickly learned like it's not only about your brand, but it's about the impact that your audience or you can have on your audience and also the amount of people you touch and these these companies need to pay for that stuff so now when you hear yourself saying like i was like oh i don't need that much has your tune changed a little bit that you're like wait a second i have access to almost 10 million people

if you want to work with me it's going to cost you some serious bucks yeah i think that i really didn't understand like brand awareness because i also would feel guilty if they didn't get the sales that they wanted and then i realized that brand awareness is actually a massive thing that like regardless their self, you know, if they get sales right away, they're also like hitting more people than they would on their normal accounts and stuff like that. So it was a little bit alarming for me to be like, oh shit, why am I like turning all that stuff down? But now I understand it a little bit more and like the real, you know, reasons why they offer a lot of money for stuff. But then I also talk to other influences and they just rinse these brands for every dollar they have. So I'm like,

it's crazy. Absolutely nuts. We only got eight minutes. minutes left with you. So I want to kind of stay in this post-show life and what's next for you. But you start racking up these big opportunities with brand deals. You start your own businesses. You know, for me personally, like every year when I write down things that I want out of the year, I do it personally, professionally and financially. I put in buckets. And one of the areas in financially is I'll have a goal from like an income perspective of what I want to try and make that year. Now that you're cranking stuff left and right is an entrepreneur and you have so many different sources of revenue. Do you have like a goal that?

you're like, okay, if this year I want to be able to make this much, I've achieved it. Yeah, I think the biggest one that really stuck in my head was 10 million, which is an insane amount of money. And it's crazy to think that I've only been in this industry for like a year and a half or something. So it's very bizarre to be like, okay, cool. Like that's, that for me is like, it's disgusting. It's a disgusting amount of money. But I just think that it's just something that's always like stuck with me.

is like, how do I, how do I get from here to 10 million? And I think the biggest thing about getting these positions is a lot of people get complacent, like a lot of people make a million dollars and get very complacent, very comfortable, which is fine, which is completely awesome. But me, I'm like, you know, a million dollars is a lot of money, but like, it's more, I don't know, I feel like the money really starts coming when you start doing what you love. Like I, with my podcast, with other business operations, investing and stuff, I don't really care. I don't want to hear about the money amount.

I just want to do it because I love it. And I think that's where the money starts really floating in. But again, the biggest thing is just not being complacent, moving forward and whatever you're doing, just trying to put one foot in front of the other in the right direction. Yeah, exactly. And I think, Harry, people probably listen to this and they're probably almost like paralyzed or shocked. They're like, did he say $10 million? But I think it's really cool that you're willing to talk about that because you think about

how quickly your life changed, right? from being miserable in, you know, double study university to now having a goal of making $10 million dollars. And the fact that you're willing to talk about making $10 million a year opens up the conversation. And then if you achieve it or come close, think about all the lessons that you can provide that you learned through that route to $10 million that one person or millions of people can take and change the way that they're kind of driving their course of life. So I love that you're open to that. It's $10 million. Let's say you'd get there. I got that. five minutes left with you. You get to 10 million. What is going to be the number one way that

you make $10 million a year? What's your number one source to do it? Positively affecting people, like making a product that makes people feel better, whether it's about themselves or just gives them a reason to have, you know, a 10, 20 minute part of that day where they can just meditate or get in their own head. Because I think for me, I had a billionaire in my podcast. And I was kind of asking him like what was the point because i was like which which billionaire was it uh it was my friend david cats he doesn't like to say that he is um he owns this amazing company called plastic bank and in my head i was like damn like you know i was so fixated on the dollar amount i was like yeah one day i want to be a billionaire or one day i want to make 10 million dollars or whatever but

what he what he said to me was once you start positively affecting this earth and people and putting out that good stuff it's going to come back to you and again the biggest thing is like, don't be afraid to spend money. Like, people are too afraid to invest in this or buy themselves on your laptop. It's like, you have to spend thousands to make millions. And I remember when I went on Logan Paul's podcast and I was sitting there, it was just after the show.

And I was like, oh, my goal was to be a millionaire by 23 and I'm so disappointed. And I don't, I was saying the $10 million mark to, I guess it might sound scary to some people like, oh, that's so far away. But again, like I remember a year ago, I had a year and a half ago, I had $3,000 in my bank account. And I remember I was sitting here and I went on the podcast and I just made like a couple grand. And I was doing really well.

I was talking to Logan Paul about it. I was like, yeah, my goal is to make, you know, be a millionaire by 23. And I missed it by a couple weeks or not a couple months. And then as soon as I had 24, I was like, damn, it's all happening. But then once you hit that point, you're like, cool, the goal voice has to move. And I think the reason why I say, you know, I would, on my, I think on my board, up here. I've got what this company that were launching, get it to $100 million. And I say these crazy, absurd amounts because my biggest thing that I keep telling myself is I need to dream

bigger. You need to think bigger. You need to manifest bigger and put yourself in the position mentally that you're already there, that you have it. And because it's just going to keep coming, like no matter what you're doing, like time's going to keep moving forward. You just have to seriously just dream bigger. And then it's going to happen like $10 million right now to make $10 million a year. it seems like a crazy amount. Some people, but for me, I'm like, eh, I feel like it's already happened. 100 million.

100 million is the next goal, then it's a billion, and then it's moving forward. But again, if you take anything away from this, it's do shit that you love, put money into shit that you love, and move forward in that sense. Yeah, I think that's so great, because you can totally put a lid on the ceiling

of what you can achieve if you are also just, like, hanging out with people that think like that. And when you meet, you know, I got to hang out with Logan Paul, WrestleMania in his locker room. I was just blown away by his expectations of things. I'm like, he

just looks at things at such a hot. There is no ceiling to him and you're just like, what is this guy fucking dreaming? But then he does it. And then he does it and he does it. So to hear people like that and to create goals like that, I think put you in a position to just achieve it at a much greater rate. It's pretty cool. The last thing I got to ask you,

so you want to make 10 million bucks a year. I saw this. I'm researching it when I came across the article, man, I was dying laughing. So OnlyFans. I heard you took a picture. and that you were a top earner, 500K on OnlyFans. Is this true? Is this false? Will you make more than a million bucks this year on OnlyFalance?

Yeah, I've made more than a million on. You've already made more than a million? Yeah. Yeah, we're doing really well over there. But again, like it sucks to like, I don't want people to be like, oh my God, that keys. You're not doing this in a, like, I can tell you right now, your tone is like you're not like this arrogant. Yo, I made a million books. You're just laughed about like, dude, I don't know.

We live in this fucking wild world. Of course, I'm going to give it a shot. I'm young. I'm saying, why not? I'm going to make a million bucks. And I think it's like those conversations that people are afraid to have that people can at least start to say like, hey, man, the world is changing. Like, that's the nature of the market.

People are paying a million bucks for it. So, you know, you're not, in my opinion, coming off at all, like, arrogant or like brash about it. I think it's more like you're coming off as like educational about the topic. Yeah, I just, and also, again, like you were speaking. at the start of this podcast about being, you know, transparent and being authentic and being yourself. Like, for me, like, I don't want anything that, I don't have anything that hide than, like, I tell, like, I'm an open book with everyone, you know, talk about even, like,

sometimes people I sleep with, like, embarrassing sex stories. Like, I'm an open book with everything. And I think, like, no one really asked me about, like, finance. This is my first kind of, like, one about all this stuff. So it's been interesting. But I, then again, I don't want to be like, oh, my God, like, be that flashy guy that's, like, pushing up. Yeah. I just want my biggest. goal is to like have people that were in the same position as me and like see someone like me that's maybe achieves like some small success and be like cool it's possible it's so doable like i look at people like there's people like just a movie there's people like drake on this planet if they're

walking this earth that means it's possible for you to do it might sound crazy but like there's yachts worth 500 million dollars like there's the fact that that exists means that there's a chance that you can get it you can own one of those you can make it you can make it you can make that type of money. It's just like, it's just so much abundance. I think that what people get scared of is then this is what happened when I had $3,000 in my bank account when I moved here. I was like, oh, fuck, like, I can't spend money. There's not enough money now. Like, I have to worry. It's like, you have to change your mindset. If you're, if you're not making the money that you want, if you're worried about spending money or you're worried about, you know, when your next paycheck

is going to be, it's going to cause like a scarcity mindset and you're going to close up. You're going to freak out. You're going to be scared to do stuff. You're going to be scared to go out. Change your mindset about having abundance. That there's already $10 million in your bank account. There's already money coming in. And I promise you, it's going to come. Like my best friend, Jacob, who's been living with me for a little bit, he had that mindset. He was like, oh, you know, I lost this. Like, I'm not doing this work anymore. Like, I'm stuck in a different country. Then as soon as we change his mindset, as soon as he sat down and started thinking about ways that he can do it, I was like, there's a billion ways to make a million dollars.

And as soon as you change your mindset about having abundance and already having what you want to have, having it now, it's going to come, it's going to happen. I was going to ask you for a trading secret, but I think we'll call that your trading secret. I think, you know, just manifesting it and rewiring and changing the way you set expectations for yourself and living with, you know, a perspective of like,

I can do it and I will do it. And if I don't do it, fuck it. something else will work because there's a lot of money to be made. It's usually the people that aren't making those those risks. It's the people that aren't taking on those chances that usually are finding themselves always finding you're using excuses for why it didn't happen or saying I wish I could have. I wish I did. And like what you get one life on average is humans. We're here for 79 years. That's just an average person in the United States. Like you got 79 years, 18 of them you're a kid, 61, to really just live.

You get one shot. Like, just fucking go for it. I love this podcast. This has been awesome. Harry, I really appreciate your time, your openness. I would encourage you, like, keep telling this story. It's fucking awesome. You're going to hit the 10 million.

You're going to hit it this year. You're going to write a book about it. There's so much more shit for you to come. And I really appreciate your time. Where can people find you, Harry, your podcast, everything you have going on. If they want some more of you or they want to, you know, continue to learn from you. Yes.

And my podcast isn't as insightful as this line. It's all about sex and whatever's going on. Okay. My podcast is called Tap In with Harry Jousie and then social media. It's Harry Jalsy. My last name is J-O-W-S-E-Y. It's a bit of a weird one. Well, we got insight from you and we've already warmed them up with a little bit

about your dick picks and the veins on your dick. So hopefully they can transition to your podcast. No issue. I think that should be my training secret is if you apply for showing it, get your cock out. that's what I get you. There's the training secret. That's, I got to tell you what we've had some, we've had billionaires on too. We've had them all and that probably is the best training secret I got. If you want to go big, get your cock out. Harry, thank you so much for your time, your energy and

just, just all the hilarity that ensued with this podcast, man. We appreciate it. I appreciate you guys. Thank you so much having me. All right, man. Take care. We'll talk soon. See you guys. We are closing in the bell with probably one of the most electric episodes of all time on trading secrets. I mean, I'm out of breath just from thinking about this. And I'm sitting over here coughing. Trading secret was send your dick picks out. Do whatever it takes to make money. Harry Jousey, David.

I am sure you were listening to this just grinning. just so excited for this recap. So I'm going to stop talking. I'm going to pass it over to the curious Canadian, David Arden. What'd you think? I mean, so excited for this recap. I'm a huge, too hot-to-handle guy. Me and my wife Ashley, we watched too hot-handle.

One, two, we watched the Brazilian episode, the Latino episode. Wait, what? I didn't know this. Dude, we have watched all of the two. We watched the, we watch the handle that are, like, dubbed English. That, like, you can't even, like, make sense of what they're saying. But love the show. Jousy.

I want to stop you there. Okay. What is the, what's the, like, obviously that? explain in a few sentences exactly why people are obsessed with the Bachelorette. Why are people obsessed with too hot to handle? So to sum it up really quick, go on there. It's a bunch of singles, good-looking people. They think they're just going to party and have a bunch of sex.

And then they get put on after the first 24 hours after they're like hooking up and whatever. They get instituted rules where they get out of the $100,000, money gets taken off every kiss, every time they have sex, whatever. And so you see these people like do these workshops and it's really good. good like pure like as Harry mentioned it like he fell in love he was about to leave the show like you like you see these like players and people who like frustrate you and you want to like like scream at them because they're so like obnoxious like yeah like grow on TV and fall in love

and it's authentic and it's really really cool so all right um love to see the growth in it but Harry my man electric everything that I thought he'd be and more because he's actually smarter more genuine and and more kind of a human that I think he portrays on TV and his Instagram and his only fan team, though. I haven't seen that, but you can imagine. But here's the thing that stick out to me the most. I got Harry Jousie on here, open and honest, $10 million is his goal to make this year. A year and a half after being the show and you had $3,000 as bank account.

You're one of my best friends. You're way more polished than Harry Jousey. You got 10 years corporate banking. You got more time in the reality world. You've got a finance background. You've got a finance company. this guy's making, what I'm going to assume is like five to seven times your salary. I need to know how and why this is happening in the space that you live in.

It's a great breakdown, David. That's a good question. Here's my takeaway from it. If you analyze anything that's happening in this world, anything that's happening in this world, 10, 20, 30, 50, 60, 70 years ago, sex sells, man. Sex sells. The only issue, like, look at Caller Daddy. Like, Caller Daddy, blown up.

Tim Stokely with OnlyFans. Dude, they did, in 2020, they did over $2.4 billion in revenue from people that just want to get nudes sent to them. With overweight, this is the crazy part. There's overall like 125 million users on OnlyFans. Think about that. That's a third of our country.

That's all population that is on OnlyFans. So I think sex sells, here's the only issue. Your peaks with selling sex are going to be all-time. high. There's going to be nothing that could substitute it. The only issue is where is the longevity in that? My counter to that. So if someone, if I was selling sex, someone said, where's longevity? My response to them would be, well, I'm smart enough to know that if I can capitalize on that three to five years of me selling sex, I'll have enough cash that then I could use my brain to make money on that cash and I don't have to work for anyone again. But sex sells

and 10 million, and plus he's got a shift ton of followers, right? 10 million bucks a year from a 24-year-old who was broke, just sending dickpicks to casting directors. It's crazy. You know the one thing I wanted to ask him, David? And I think, so you watch the show it's Francesca. So I think Francesca is his ex and I saw that she had put something

out, I didn't get to ask him this because we were rolling. She put something out about him and as a result of it, he lost 200,000 followers and he sued her. Did you hear anything about that? And tell me just your overall take on that whole Francesca situation. I haven't heard anything about that, which is bananas, because you know nothing slips my eyes, especially in this reality TV world and pop culture world.

So I haven't seen that. What I will say is Francesca is from Vancouver, Canada, same as me. So I'm going to make this a formal plea to get Francesca on the pod so we can get her side of the story and learn a little bit about her. But those two are just, they're just a social media reality TV dream couple that you see. you fall in love with and then you want to be invested in their lives. But no, I haven't seen that he sued her. But they're on and off.

Like they are the definition of on and off. Like in the reunion show, he proposed to her via Zoom with a ring pop as the ring. She said yes. And then back in May, like he posted a picture with her on his birthday. And it got like a million and a half likes and people are going nuts. They're back together.

And then no picture since. So they know what they're doing. They know what they're doing. Listen to this guy. I mean, like, I love this conversation. I have a lot of respect for the fact that he's like, I know what I am. I'm going to do what I am. And I don't give a shit what people think. But this is a guy who is like very well thought out. Right. I mean, he talks about how he wanted to be a villain immediately just so that his name would be used more on camera. And therefore, whether he's loved or hated, he'll be a part of the actual plot. I mean, he's not thought out. If they're talking shit, they're talking shit about me. So that's what I like to like a quote there. But hey, he said he goes to different, big. the difference between me and everyone else is doing what I do? No days off. No days off. So one thing that I want to bring up that he talked about in terms of like, you know, his experience in being an influencer in the last year and getting towards 10 million is kind of how he felt bad at the start. He's like, you don't got to pay me that much money for Instagram or my social media, but

he talked about brand awareness. And I think, you know, it's hard for people, especially the general population. I follow enough influencers celebrities to be like, I can't believe people are paying the money to post this. Like I'm clicking on it for half a second and I'm already on to next. You obviously are in this world. Do you ever feel guilty, like he said, when companies maybe don't get the sales that you had hoped that your influence would get them? And have you ever gotten really negative feedback from companies being like, you're the worst? We can't believe we wasted the money on you, et cetera, et cetera. It's never been that bad, but I have definitely had negative feedback. Here's why. You'll get negative feedback in these campaigns when you

proactively have a manager or yourself who has not understood exactly. what they are trying to accomplish. What they're trying to accomplish is it is it eyeballs? Is it actual sales? Is it increased their following? Are they just trying to create overall brand awareness for a new campaign? When you don't understand their goals, then you put a campaign in place that flops. It usually starts with not understanding their goals. The second thing I'll say is if you compare this form of advertising to anything that's being done right now or before social media, it is so much more effective at decreasing the cost of a new client acquisition. So I don't have any feel.

I don't feel bad at all. The other thing these companies do is almost none of them. I mean, it is so rare. It's like a 10 to 20% max capacity there that they will do a deal that is more than a one-off, right? So they'll do one post, one story, or two posts, two stories, or like a three-month package. But they're not committing their life to you. they're not, usually, usually they're not giving you equity in the company. They're giving you a big fee to get the name out.

And the one thing that's common, whether they get their sales or their follows on Instagram, they're going to get impressions, right? Impressions are how many eyeballs are going to see it. So I don't feel bad at all. It's a way for them to actually be better with their advertising. And it's interesting to hear a guy like that saying, like, yeah, we're housing these companies. I think he doesn't realize how huge his impact is because you're not housing.

in those companies. And at the end of the day, in two years from now, there's going to be another guy off to handle and those companies will still exist and they'll give him the big bucks. Yeah, it sounds like the companies who want like a really quick return in sales and don't aren't in touch with like their analytics on like why they're actually doing this like influencer advertising is when they get in trouble. I also just want to touch on the like he talked about, you know, you're the first podcast. He's ever talked to money. He's not, but in the end of the day, he's not trying to hide anything. I think, and I want your opinion on this, do you think that not hiding and being open about your finances and how much money

you're making and the goals that you're making and the following that you do have? Do you think that makes you more desirable for a company to want to work with? Because it makes me think like, hey, if Harry Jobs is talking about wanting to make $10 million, these are his goals and these are the companies that he's working with. And he wants to make $100 million next year. As a company, it's like, man, I want to get on this train before it gets to $100 million because he's just going to cost more. And if I don't do it, someone else, clear as going to. Do you think just being upfront and honest about that is more desirable for companies? I think it could help you and hurt you. I think being upfront about it, what it will do

is it will create this vulnerability, this open book. It also allows companies to understand your goals. So what if you're the company now thinking creatively, we're going to be the company that gets Harry to his goals. And we can spin this story to say from broke to rich, da-da-da-da-da. So the more open you are, the more creative people could get and the more open you are, the more magnetic you are. However, work against you. You start talking about you make $10 million, imagine, you now know that Harry makes $10 million bucks a year and you're his assistant, or you are his PR firm, or you are his agent. I could attest to this.

You talk more about your money. People come knocking. So, you know, but there's something to that too that also enables growth and commitment and restructure an organization. So works for you, works against you. I think if you're going to do it, you really got to believe in it. And for me, it's like, that's the message I live by. Talk about what you make.

Do you think that there's any, like, fabrication there so that he can then say, hey, I'm making $10 million, so I'm going to charge this to a company. Just like there was fabrication that he was the model when he really took his own underwear picks and Tommy Hilfiger, just like there was fabrication that he put nudes on his 10 applications, not saying that he doesn't make $10 million. I just wonder if it's part of his strategy.

you, but I will say nothing. Nothing would surprise me because history does say fabrication lives in the world of Harry. But if I'm scratching the numbers and I'm seeing his engagement and I'm seeing everything I could see, if he's got good management behind him, he's making over 10 million a year. And when you got 34-year-old, a married couple, just falling near every step watching you on the big screen and then, you know, listening to all your pods, you're doing something right. So one business question, I got to ask, you brought it up on the interview. anytime you bring it up on the interview for the recap. It's my job to ask you, he talked about his merch and starting his business and

maxing out his credit cards for print on demand. Now, I don't know what that means. So it's my job to be the voice of the viewer. There's other viewers who don't know what that means. What does that mean? Maxine out credit cards for print on demand. Okay. So print on demand is a service that anybody could utilize that's listening here to sell,

you know, give you an example of merchandise. So imagine I want to sell a bunch of hoodies, okay? Buffalo Bills hoodies. Trading secrets hoodies. Trading secrets hoodies. I like that. Drop it in the reviews. If you want some trading secrets merch,

if that's something we should think of, drop that in the reviews. And I'm dead serious because I want this. I want to push some merch out there. I would think we should get some merch with the most outrageous quotes from people like Harry Jousie that says, I sell dick picks.

All different quotes from all of our different guests. If you like it, give us five stars. Tell us you want some merch and we'll make that happen. But suppose I buy the birch, I got to actually buy the hoodies. And usually what happens is I have to buy a larger quantity of them to get a lower price. So suppose I buy it, let's say, a thousand hoodies. I have to buy them up front.

Hopefully I sell them. Get the colors, the design, everything. The house of them, I have to ship them. I have to do all this work. If you do print on demand, you're actually paying someone to do all that. So you'll have all your stuff up on merch. But the big difference is that when someone goes to buy a sweater, they're working through another company.

that company will actually order the sweater based on the demand, someone buying it, and they handle everything, the shipping, the packaging, they'll do it all. Now, the issue with that is to make money when working with printing on demand. You have to have incredible volume because they take so many fees given their situation. So it's really good for micro and small businesses, but it's very, very tough to monetize effectively when you're letting someone else do all the work because they're getting all the raw materials at such a low cost. They already have infrastructure to ship. And then they're making big margins because you're paying them to do that and they get

paid for that service. Okay. That makes sense. So if you're listening, if you've made it this far, you're a diehard trading secrets fan. You make it this far in the recap. We know you're our people. Drop something in the review. If you want merch and if you do, what kind of merch would you rock for trading secrets in the crew? I love that. From broke to make it over 10 million bucks. a year. Over a million dollars on OnlyFans in just a few months. And from sending hundreds and hundreds of applications of casting directors left, right and center under different names, different aliases with Dick Picks, that is an episode for you. Harry, Jousie, guys, give us five stars. David, love your idea about the merch. Let us know in the comments, even if you've given

us a review. Give us five stars. And in the comments, you want merch, you like it. And if you do, we'll get it. And we won't be using print on demand services. Hopefully this was another episode of Trading Secrets that you could not afford to miss. Just wait until next week. We have another episode coming in high. And before the Harry episode, we had Johnny Banana. So you'll make sure you want to check that one out. The Bachelor, The Bachelorette, all different shows are coming up.

We're going to make sure that we have stars from those shows to talk about where they are today. If you have any other feedback as to what people we should have on this podcast, please go in the comments. Five stars. Give us your recommendation. Thank you. And we will see you next Monday for another episode of Trading Secrets. One, you can't afford to miss. Thank you.