Trading Secrets - 242. Wells Adams & Jesse Palmer: Bachelor Nation fan favorites dive into the revamped season on Bachelor in Paradise, what the audience can expect, and BTS of time in the franchise

Episode Date: July 7, 2025

This week, Jason is joined by two fan favorites and cast insiders, Jesse Palmer and Wells Adams! Jesse is a former NFL quarterback and Bachelor alum turned sports commentator, TV host and personality, and of course, the host of The Bachelor, The Bachelorette, all the Goldens and Bachelor in Paradise. Jesse is joined by Wells Adams, a friend of the show, former Bachelorette contestant, podcast host, TV host, and, of course, the witty bartender of Paradise, always shaking things up.  Jesse and Wells dive into what fans can expect from the future of the Bachelor franchise, including the changes coming to the new season of Bachelor in Paradise. They discuss how their roles have evolved this season, what brings them the most joy in Bachelor Nation, and how Jesse balances commentating on football with hosting reality shows. They open up about saying “yes” to new opportunities, share what really goes into being a host, and reveal the advice they gave contestants about mixing franchises in Paradise. Plus, they talk about which contestants surprised them the most, give an unfiltered look behind the scenes of filming Bachelor in Paradise, and much more. Jesse and Wells reveal all this and so much more in another episode you can’t afford to miss! Host: Jason Tartick Co-Host: David Arduin Audio: John Gurney Guest: Wells Adams & Jesse Palmer Stay connected with the Trading Secrets Podcast!  Instagram: @tradingsecretspodcast  Youtube: Trading Secrets Facebook: Join the Group All Access: Free 30-Day Trial  Trading Secrets Steals & Deals! This Is Small Business Podcast: If you're building something, dreaming big, or just constantly thinking about your next move... I've got a podcast you need to check out. It's called This Is Small Business hosted by Andrea Marquez, and Season 6 just dropped. If you're plotting your next move - maybe launching that side hustle, scaling a business, or pivoting hard - go check out This Is Small Business. Cymbiotika: Looking for supplements to improve your sleep, mood, energy, and more? Stop looking for quick fixes and start supporting your body properly by going to Cymbiotika.com/tradingsecrets for 20% off plus free shipping. Nutrafol: Start your hair growth journey with Nutrafol. For a limited time, get $10 off your first month's subscription and free shipping when you go to Nutrafol.com  and enter the promo code TRADINGSECRETS. Quince: Give your summer closet an upgrade-with Quince. Think 100% European linen tops starting at $30, washable silk dresses and skirts, and soft cotton sweaters-versatile warm-weather pieces you'll reach for again and again. The best part? Everything with Quince is half the cost of similar brands. Go to Quince.com/tradingsecrets for free shipping on your order and 365-day returns. ROK Financial: ROK Financial, helps small businesses access up to $5 million in funding—in as little as 24 hours. Whether you're expanding, upgrading equipment, or simply need working capital, ROK makes the process fast, simple, and personalized. Visit ROK.biz/tradingsecrets to get started and see what your business may qualify for in seconds.

Welcome back to another episode of Trading Secrets. Today we are joined by two fan favorites and cast insiders, Jesse Palmer in Wells Adams. Jesse, a former NFL quarterback and Bachelor alum turned sports commentator, TV host, and TV personality. And of course, the host of the Bachelor. The Bachelor, The Bachelorette, all the Goldins, and Bachelor in Paradise. Jesse is joined with me today by Wells Adams, a friend of the show, former Bachelorette contestant, podcast host, TV host, and of course the witty bartender of Paradise, always shaking things up.

We are missing the Queen of the Bachelor franchise herself, Hannah Brown, today. But after a year off from Paradise, the show is back premiering this week. And like Jesse said, it's unlike anything you've seen before. the buzz is building from rumored surprise guest appearances to fresh twists on old traditions and how the golden bachelors will be featured and incorporated into paradise we'll be digging into it all jesse wells thank you so much for being in non-trading secrets thanks for having us yeah tell you what i could have both you two for a couple hours individually so together we got a lot to cover in a short period of time all right well this is a business podcast most of the stuff you guys are going to be doing media

perspective we're going to be pop culture only so a little bit of a different approach jesse i'm kicking a you. You're the host of the franchise. You're the quarterback of the franchise. And I think in general, from a business perspective, we've just seen a lot happen with the franchise externally, internally. We've seen the Goldens. Paradise is back after being off from last year. We just saw Bachelor is renewed. There's just a ton of action. Huge competition like Love Island. Give me kind of the state of the union. From the guy who's in charge, the quarterback, what's your take on where the show has gone where you see it now and what the projection looks like moving forward because that of all the questions submitted was like number one yeah people want to hear from you i feel like it's there's a lot

of new and i think sometimes and i don't know about wells's perspective on this but sometimes it's so much to kind of keep up with i think that the challenge at least for me personally is just trying to stay focused on one thing at a time because paradise is back after taking a season off golden bachelor was renewed we've got that coming up we've got bachelor season 30 still coming up. There's new showrunners. There's new cast. There's so much stuff happening in the Bachelorverse. It was really exciting. The first step in all that, I think, was Bachelor in Paradise. And I think Wells and I sort of both showed up to the beach, not really knowing what to expect. Because we were in a new location. The Goldens were arriving to the beach. That was the first

time that's obviously ever happened. We had Hannah Brown joining us as well, which was incredible. but with new showrunners, new cameras. We were just talking about that off camera here a moment ago. There's a new look. There's a new feel. The format of the show is a little bit different with some compatibility tests and things that the cast is doing. I think right now it's just sort of feeling it out

and you wanted to really kind of film that first show, get it in the tank. And I feel really good about what people are about to see. I'm really excited for this first episode to really kind of get the feedback from Batchar Nation watching it because I think it is going to feel so new and so fresh and a little bit different. And so that's kind of how I look at it right now.

It's really, it's exciting. It's an exciting time because there's a lot of new things happening. Yeah, I mean, the cinematic appearance of episode one was really cool and just like there's, you can tell there's a change just in everything, the way we're just even seeing the teasers, which is awesome. Yeah. I wanted to piggyback on that a little bit, because it's an intricate dance that I think that we have to walk going forward, right?

Like, the only constant in life is change, right? So, like, everything is constantly changing. But there is this heritage following of Bachelor Nation that, like, loves this one thing and doesn't probably want to see it change so much. So it's this dance that I think that we have to walk, which is, you know, being cutting edge, being different, trying new things, but still, staying true to the heart of what the show is and the mission statement of, you know, finding love, that journey that precedes it and, you know, hopefully engagements and marriages and

kids that happens, you know, following. And I think that he's right. Like, we walked into this new situation, not really knowing what it was going to be like and not really knowing how it was going to turn out. But then after doing the show being like really, really pleasantly surprised with like how awesome it looks, how different it is, but then how it's, it's, still stays true to, I think, what Bachelor Nation fell in love with initially. Yeah, as a guy that's like way removed, but of course was on the show and roots for the show and only wants it to do well, I have to imagine. And in the think tank, you're thinking, you know, baby boomers and X, they got to stay. Millennials have to stay. You have to

capture Gen Z. And so I think when you look at like, you know, average ratings per season, you know, I'm talking, I was talking to Bachelor and Bachelor Data, you know that. Yeah, yeah. Yeah. She's awesome. And she kind of broke everything down with from 2015 down to 2025, you know, you saw a decline and then a jump in Colton's in Peter's season, then a little bit of a decline, jump in Joey season, and then, you know, it's been moving in that direction. A question I'm curious, just from the positions you guys hold, when you go into filming and you find out, Paradise is greenlit, like, let's roll, do you feel part of your job is to impact the ratings and make sure that the show is performing, even though you can only

control so much of that? I don't feel that way. I'm not the host of the show, but my take going into doing any of these shows is just try to make the best possible thing I can make that day. And just like, just as long as like I think I'm being funny or creative

or coming up with ideas or whatever it is, as long as I can just do that one thing, that one day, then it's good. I think if you try to get, if you get lost in the weeds about like ratings and success and all that kind of stuff, then you're not focusing on the right things. But I imagine for him it's a little bit different because you are the face of the show.

But I bet you kind of come across it the same way that you did with football, right? That's the analogy I was going to use is making an awful football analogy as a quarterback. It's cool to go into new games, trying new things and adding new plays to the playbook and trying to execute some different ideas. but I think if you try to do too much,

you just start throwing interceptions. When you're trying to be something, you're not. I mean, the approach I've always taken is even though I'm the host of the show, the show is not about me. It's about our cast. It's their story. Wells and I are kind of there to guide it and give information, give support where we can, Hannah as well,

and just sort of be there to try to keep the vibes high. And I think viewers watching Paradise this year, I think we've talked a little bit about it. They're going to see some different things. They're going to see, I think, Wells and I and Hannah used in some different roles. But that's not a cognizant decision on our parts going in where we kind of come in thinking, hey, I want to be involved in this more. I want to do this.

What's really cool, I'd say, about the producers on our season in Paradise, they were very open-minded, I think, to feedback from Wells, Hannah and I and ideas and trying things. And I think that's really important to kind of have that. But neither of us, I think, go into it thinking we have to drive ratings. We have to step up and do things differently as well and make sure we're pulling weight. I think it's a different mindset than that. Makes perfect sense. So you talk about roles, you know, something we talk about this podcast all the time, resumes,

job descriptions, how to beat the system. Let's talk about your role for a second. So you've been in on Paradise before. You've been a bartender before. And it seems like season to season, maybe your role has changed a little bit. So give me the job description. Give people a little bit of a tease. how would you write and summarize your job description as the bartender this year on Paradise?

Yeah, it's changed, right? So originally I was just the bartender. And then I became like the bartender and the therapist. And then I became like kind of the narrator. You've always been a good therapist, by the way. Yeah, yeah, yeah. You've therapist me before. That's very true.

With enough whiskey, I can convince anybody of anything. Yeah, and this one, it was much different. And I'm really grateful and thankful that these. new producers kind of like opened up the playbook for all of us. Like, yes, I bartend. You know, I think that Hannah kind of takes over the role of like being the therapist and like the ear to talk to, which was kind of nice. It took a little bit of pressure off me and then let me just kind of like live in the comedy sphere of things. But then, you know, there's new activations and new things happening where they need kind of all hands on deck. And so I got to do

some of that and help Jesse out and Hannah and I both. And so that was really fun. So it was a completely new thing. So to answer your question, I don't know what the hell I do. It's a lot of stuff. I don't know what the job description is. I don't know. It's good though. I'm excited to see it too. You see a lot of wells away from

the bar this season, which is good. Yeah. He is absolutely, you tap into him a lot more on some of the other stuff we're doing, which I think was really great. I feel like in Costa Rica, it was a space that we were able to use a lot differently. than in the past in in mexico where it was kind of like a bar small beach can't really swim in

the water yeah so it's like and there's a couple chairs out there and you can go to any of them but you know and for you was like gates of paradise yeah walk down the steps yeah yeah in the palapa sweat and then go back yeah go back up down yeah yeah coast rica there was there was like multiple pools there was a big beach you could be in the water it just provided so i think so much more space to do different things in and wells had mentioned you know some of the things that we activate these compatibility tests were really, really cool and really interesting, something we hadn't done a lot in the past. I feel like in the past on the show, a lot of the cast spent time alone or with their significant other. I think these tests and challenges sort of brought everybody

together in a group setting, which was good, because I think it helped them learn more about each other from a connection standpoint with a hopeful love interest, but also learn more about each other as well. It was, it was interesting. So my role was, it was kind of sometimes like game show host, like, because you're setting up the challenge, you're setting up the test, and you're moderating it and kind of going through it. So that was a bit of a different role as well. Yeah. So it's like competition meets love. That's a whole different spin on the franchisor. It has been for a while now, right? We haven't had that since like winter games or whatever. Yeah. I want to ask you, Jesse, when you're doing Golden, you're doing Bachelor, doing Bachelorette

and Paradise, it feels like from a third-party perspective, from a high level, Paradise is the ultimate curveball as far as like how your role impacts the show from a producing perspective from like when you come down and how you interact do you feel that way and if so could you give us a little behind the scenes it's yeah it's it's interesting there's it when you're when you're hosting the bachelor or the bachelor or golden bachelor or golden bachelor there's sort of one key you know there's a lead and then the connection and all the different relationships and that's sort of what you're watching yeah i feel like on paradise it's just like hurting cats like there's just like 18 different like there's there's relationships and drama and stuff happening this season golden

showing they're showing up and they're getting in the mix you know and it's like well you know wells you know well's doing his thing hannah and it's like there's just so much to try and track yeah what i will say unlike unlike the other shows though is that it can go off script really quickly i'd argue maybe even faster do you like that or do you not i love it yeah yeah i like things to like i like two minute offense. Yeah, I like to just, yeah, I like to scramble a little bit and just not always throw in time. Can I ask you a question? Yeah. And do not change your answer because I'm here. What show is your favorite to make? Stop stealing my question. Yeah. That wasn't chat GBT. That wasn't Chad GBT. Even wrote that question for me. I mean like the answer is I don't know. Like they're all

great. But so much of it I think depends on casts. Well, you've talked before that your favorite thing to do is live shows. And I believe that to be true. But then after that, I'm wondering, you know, like what you've gotten the most enjoyment out of. It's, I don't know, man, it's hard to say. It's hard to say. Like, I like the different shows, I guess, for different reasons. There's a whole bunch of different reasons. But I think at the end of the day, it really comes down to, like, the people and the experience and what ended up happening. But I like, you know, I don't mind when something breaks down and a camera crew has to follow you into someone's room to try and try and help them in a situation or something. And I think, you know, we may or may not run

into that on this upcoming season of paradise. There's times where, yeah, it's like, I mean, I think it's more fun. I don't know if you feel the same way, but it's like when you're going in to start filming, it's kind of nice to know what's not going to happen or what's going to happen. For sure. Well, then it makes it authentic. Yeah. But I was thinking for you, I was thinking for you, because I think that Paradise is the best show to work on it. It's so much fun. You get to go live on a beach for a month and

I make drinks and I crack jokes and the stakes are low for me because I'm already married and all this kind of stuff. But what I love about Bachelor Nation and all the shows that are made is like, it's storytelling is like usually the most important thing, right? And the thing that I didn't expect

to like really fall in love with or have it like really touch me was what the Golden's did. and like Jerry's season. Yeah, Gary's season. Because they've lived so much life. Sure. And like their storytelling is so much more deeper and it's so much more interesting.

And I didn't think like watching a bunch of old people date would be something that I would love. But then I watch it and I was like, that's such a good show. It's so fun. And that's what I was super pumped about this season going into it, knowing that. Yeah, we get a piece of that. Yeah. And then going back to your thing about like, you know, you got to have millennials and the boomers, right? And you've got to have Gen Z and whatever. And we are on a set with kind of

the entire gamut of generations, right? Like, I'm the, we're the millennials, I guess. And then you have these Gen Zers who come first, and then you have the boomers that come later. And so in a perfect world, everyone should be watching this show. And I hope that's what happens. Yeah, for sure. I want to get back to the having the Goldens on Paradise because that's a whole unique different twist. One thing I want to ask you, while we're on it, though, follow up to your question you think about what you're doing sports commentating college game day for something like paradise when you think about like creativity stimulation all the different things like where which is which is more challenging you know football's is is exciting because i like i put my quarterback hat back on

and i study film for a week and then i get a three and a half hour window on saturday to just regurgitate everything i've learned and try to dissect and you know talk about what I'm seeing in the moment, live in a stadium in the SEC, normally with close to 100,000 people, and it's exhilarating. But I got to tell you, the live shows, especially like after Final Rose, are incredible. And it's just, like, you mentioned you, I love live TV, and I love being on the spot. And I love that you can't, if you screw up, you just got to keep going. Yeah. You got to, like, just scramble and go. And so I like both for different reasons. I wear completely different hats, obviously, in both.

But it's nice to have for me to have a balance. And I'm lucky enough to get to do both sometimes at the same time. So cool. Yeah. I mean, there have been times on the show where, like, I've flown from like Edinburgh, Scotland to go to Tuscaloosa, Alabama to, like, from like a rose ceremony to go call an SEC game. And you're on the plan, you're like trying to digest what I just saw on, what happened just like Grant's Rose ceremony.

It's like, brutal heartbreak. Yeah. And then you're like, this Alabama defects. It's unbelievable, so hard to run against. The three technique is incredible. And then you have to switch the hat again. So it's a lot of fun that way. One of the things I remember listening to Chicks in the Office back in 2022,

and they asked you about taking this roll on. And the big word you used was, I was surprised. I was surprised I got the call, but I got the call. Since then, fast forward three years. It's just as far as the career of hosting and being part of a very, very passionate fan base. What's been the most surprising thing in taking on this? I think that the fans, like when I was the Bachelor, over 20 years ago, I remember there being a great following, but social media and years and years

of this incredible show growing, because of people like you, growing and growing, it has become this unbelievably passionate fan base that is just multiplied. I mean, it's a force. I'd like to know another fan base on another reality show or show, period. That's as outspoken, passionate, up-to-date, educated, that talks more about it than Bachelor and A. I mean, it's literally like playing for the New York Giants or the Florida Gators again. And so that's the part that surprised me the most is just how dialed in. There's no offseason. I mean, and now that we have, you know, and we've added shows since I started hosting.

And so, I mean, it is just a constant cycle. I mean, I could spend 24 hours on Reddit. Oh, don't do it. I mean, like, it's crazy. Like, I mean, there's always people talk. Stay away. It's crazy. Yeah, they're passionate about the alumni, too.

Oh, my God, you think it's over, it's not. A question I got for you is you didn't expect to take this roll on. It was surprising you've taken it on. You've thrived in it. You then go to Alabama and you're calling a college football game. You see these two worlds into your career, their night and day, and you didn't expect it. So we talk a lot about career tracking on this podcast and pretty much every industry from Sharks to Shark to Shark, Take to Sergio Garcia and Gronk and Aerod who have been on here.

When you think about what's next five years, 10 years, how do you merge? all these skill sets and like what now becomes the dream what now is the call that you're like surprised to get i don't know and and the truth is i've never really known like i didn't know i would end up in television when i was in florida i got a degree in marketing with a minor in education and a certificate of international relations well a degree in political science and television sort of found me what i know i'll do though is i won't say no okay that's probably been my biggest lesson I've learned in my career is when you say no to things right away because you don't think it's going to be a great fit you just close a lot of doors immediately without giving

things chances I've learned a lot about myself saying yes to different jobs not sure if I was going to like it or not but trusting that if I didn't like it I knew I wouldn't have to do it again and I could sort of just peacefully walk away and move away from that but saying yes to most things has worked out well for me. up to that is since being the bachelor to now all those years later is there anything you did say no to that you kind of you might you might have thought twice about or you learned that lesson from saying no to no i i again i haven't said no too often that there are a few roles that i i turned down but i knew i either wasn't ready for it yeah or it just wasn't what i ended up wanting to do and so i was i was

I try to be as thoughtful as possible and careful, but I have to say, truthfully, I'm at peace with most every decision I've made. Okay. I'm curious your response to my thought process. I'm actually curious your response as well. I think, you know, again, in this podcast we hit and look at and I analyze all different career paths. When we think about hosting, I think what happens in reality TV is a lot of people go on reality TV.

They get this shot of stardom. They're in front of the camera. And then they immediately think they can get off the show and go be a host. song. And I've always been a big proponent of being a host is like such a dialed in skill set, like those live audiences and being able to maneuver questions and all the things you're doing. The idea of going on a show and becoming a host is like someone saying like they became on reality TV and then they're going to be an actor or just, I'm going to go pick up and be a doctor. It takes so much time. And when you were announced as the host, it was like,

makes perfect sense. Ben with Disney forever. Your resumes endless. My take is a host is an acquired position through so much work and dedication and live TV and anchoring and all the things. That's my response when I'm talking to someone who gets out of reality who says, I'm going to go be a host next year. I'm curious what your opinion is based on what I've said, given the decade plus that you've been in the position. No, no, I agree with you. I learned a pretty valuable lesson, I think, when I was at ESPN, my first couple years on TV. I learned that the people that are really, really good at doing it make it look easy. And that's why everybody thinks they can do it.

So I was super lucky to work with John Saunders, Chris Fowler, Reese Davis, some legends. Robin Roberts at Good Morning America, who I saw this morning. Like, arguably the most talented person I've ever shared TV with outside of Wells Adams. And it's, and it's, like, they're the ones that, that I think, make people at home just go, oh, yeah. Yeah, yeah. Like, obviously, I'll host. Like, look, look how, look how easy it is. look how they talk about football like whatever i'm just going to go and talk about football and

what you learn is just watching them and seeing their their process and how much work really goes into it gave me a real appreciation for it so i i didn't start hosting things until years after i started being i was a i was working as a college football analyst because i mean i had to pay attention and make sure i was ready and you know and you know do shows get the reps you know and but build but it was it was a 15 year process before i started hosting the Bachelor franchise. It wasn't like it just happened overnight. I didn't get it. I didn't go to school for it, but it was a lot of years and a lot of shows and a lot of reps before. It's, it is difficult. It's super enjoyable. It's challenging, but that's what makes it rewarding at the end of the day.

It's something that I love doing. I love it. Wells, being married, of course, Sarah and a very well-known actress, and then now you're working your way into the hosting space. You've hosted your own TV shows. You have multiple podcasts. What's your take on what I said? Yeah, like I, I had my first radio show when I was 16 like I did go to college for it like I have a broadcast journalism degree I you know worked in Nashville in radio for 12 years so like long before I went on the bachelorette I had done my 10,000 hours of like hosting I was a morning show host an afternoon drive host and a night show host all the same day on the same day so there is a little like when people say that what you're saying of like well I was on you know love is blind and now I'm gonna be the

host of like the next show it's like no one no you're not because it's a really hard job to get and two like the second you we put you in a room and we make you do like prompter reads and hit your marks and like yada yada yada it's going to be evidently clear that you are not the caliber of a jesse palmer and to brag on him a little bit like i am really good at like prompter reads I'm really good at being off the cuff, improv-y stuff. But, like, if you give me a bunch of lines, I can turn it into, like, my words. Jesse has got the, like, quarterback football mind

where, like, he will look at copy. I'm married to a woman who used to learn her lines for moderner family in the hair and makeup chair. And so, like, I know, like, people who are good at this. Jesse runs circles around anyone I've ever seen, be able to absorb information, hit a mark, one take wonder, and he's out of there. Do you want the money now, or, like?

no he's really good at it i think i have a new agent yeah i'm i am truly though like i'm because i'm in the background yeah every shot he comes up he walks up and i also know what he's going to say you know right and so i'm sitting there and i'll be like all right let's see how this is going to go and it's think ding ding ding did did did later and then i'm like oh my god he mailed it exit the deep breath all of it the wick at the end i love it he's so good at it so yeah it's like yeah he's right Like, the trick is making something that's extremely difficult look really, really easy to do. I love it. In this interview, I'm balancing between my pop culture and Bachelor Nation fans and my career fans.

Real quick on the career perspective, people are always interested. Like, how, this is a tough career. The hosting career and being in TV, how, when were you informed that you'll be the bartender of paradise? Like, how well informed are you that you know that this role is coming? Because in this space, we've heard from a lot of people on the podcast, is that sometimes it's the day before, sometimes it's years before, and it's tough to plan for the future because you don't know what's next. Okay, well, I mean, like, I started season four bartending, so I learned, like, back then. But for this specific season, oh, yeah, I think that I was told that, like, ABC wants me to come back, like, a couple months before we went to film. And the follow-up question, that is, when you're projecting, like, and thinking through and navigating your career, like, how do you forwardly think about what will come?

We were planning, I was hoping that it was going to come back. And so I was, like, keeping that time open for the show. It was interesting, this one was different, though, because my contract had run out from the last cycle. And so we had to, like, start a new one. So it was like, are they going to come to me or are they going to go to somebody else? Like, how could they do that, though? But, dude, to me, like, I'm just saying, like, you're super modest and that's great. But it's like, there is no paradise without Wells, though.

You're like, to me, he's the face of paradise, like, you know, for all the years. So as soon as a show gets greenlit, you can tell Sarah, like, I'll be gone from. How much did you guys, did you guys pre-plan all this? He's my manager. But, like, yeah, I love it. Yeah, I mean, it's no secret that, like, my job is the one that everyone asks to do every season. And the reason why I know it is because producers would be like, so-and-so-asked, so-and-so-ass. And then I'm like, all right, that's fine. I get it. I'd probably do the same thing. So I'm just waiting for like that one person. Like the Goldens, there were a couple of Goldens that were really coming from my job. It'd be asleep, though. Before like 11 o'clock. They're doing the early bird special. All right. Well, that's a good transition back into Paradise. A lot of people listening right now are excited to hear from you two on it. We talked about Goldens. Let's just call.

Space Bay. There's a lot of this conversation about this age gap, the Belichick stuff. You said you had Bachelor Nation alumni weighing in on it. The overall take, now what's your perspective? Are we going to see a little age gap flirting? Talk to me about it. Tees the difference in the age gap because everyone's talking about. Reddit's talking about it. You got kind of trouble for it. It's the click bait out there. What I told the cast was, obviously we've got two generations here on the beach. Here's the thing. I can't, Wells can't, Hannah can't, we can't tell anybody who to love and who they can't love. Of course.

Can't say that. Yeah. What I encourage them to do was just to stay in their generational lane. That's a good, that's a good. And above all, just don't make it weird. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Is what I told them. Okay.

Yeah, you said don't make it weird a lot. Yeah, like, like, whatever, whatever, like, and that's not to say it happens. Does it get weird? It gets real weird. It gets real early. In front of them. Yeah. Kind of like a little too close to.

us actually at times things you can't control as a host no that's right and so you know like and I feel like the structure of paradise is sort of set up to help keep people in their lane but it's yeah it's all right people are going to have to tune in and see more to come business owners when opportunity knocks you know the backlash of it was interesting to me like I understand the like it could be come across as creepy and all that kind of stuff but if the show is supposed to be a microcosma of real life. And if this show is supposed to be a singles retreat, right? Like, effectively, that's what it is. We're filming a singles retreat. I don't think that normal singles retreats have aged limits. I think that anyone can go, right? Yeah. And for some reason,

that's not weird, but it's like not cool if it happens on the televised version. That never made any sense to me. Like, if this happens in real life, then it should be happening in real life on our show. And to that point, like, I think that people are freaking out over something that they don't really need to freak out about. The Goldens brings so much to the show that, like, by the end of it, I think everyone that watches a show is going to say, I'm really glad that they were there. To me, it was very clear that what was being discussed was specifically what you had said. Like, singles are out there, we don't know what's going to happen. And I think those who could be a little bit too judgmental, maybe you were thinking that that narrative was being pushed. And that narrative wasn't being pushed.

You're just like, there's singles out there. We don't know what the hell is going to happen. And that's life. I mean, I could bring some of my friends on this podcast and they can have a story or two about them in an age gap. But let's get away from that. I want to hear the cast has been announced. So we all know who's on the show at this point. Who from a host perspective, bartender's perspective, who surprised you the most?

from the cast. I'll just say for me, you know, Dale was someone that I didn't know. I wasn't hosting when he was on. Obviously,

he has a big story. He's a big part of, you know, during his time, yep, with Claire. And so, but even on that season, you didn't really get to know

him that well because he wasn't on that long. Like, it was only a couple episodes before they were, before they had left together. So I was really curious about him. He's obviously,

you know, I follow him on social media. He's handsome. He's successful. He's been away for a while. So Paradise for me is always a lot of fun because I feel like it's a giant reunion. I'm back with the cast, whether it was The Bachelor,

or The Bachelorette or one of the Goldens, and you get to kind of see everybody together. But that was one of the few this year who I didn't know anything about, except that he's a former football player and I knew I'd probably have a lot in common with him. I expected him to do very, very well just based on how he looks.

But he was a guy that I was really excited to see, come to the beach and see how he would do. Interesting. Yeah. And, like, Paradise is a redemptive story for everybody. Sure. And not to say that, like, Dale was a villain at all, but I feel like his experience on The Bachelorette

was so unlike anyone else's that he, like, didn't get a fair shake or, like, an experience that, like, you and I had on The Bachelorette. So I was happy that he got to come and kind of experience Paradise and a different version of the show. Yeah. he's also like really handsome like everyone he's a good looking guy yeah yeah yeah i tell you but my

i love cat cat is such fun tv person to be around like neurotic and crazy and you know beautiful and like doesn't want to be there but like keeps coming back like i love having her in paradise To me, she's like the most Paradise C cast member that we've got. Okay. And she got air conditioning this. She got air conditioning. So she was the one, it was her and Justin. Those were the two that I kept saying.

Let everybody here know how good you have at this time around with air conditioning, swim out pools from your room where you're staying. I mean, the accommodations were night and day. In my opinion from where they were before. I remember when Colton put an air conditioner actually in his check-in, like he has an advantage. competitive advantage to everyone else out there speaking of which rivalries and alliances do exist in shows like this from an early stage on something maybe we we haven't seen yet or we will see soon any rivalries or alliances that you guys caught from a distance that we should be aware of or you could tease i would say without like getting too specific there definitely are rivalries and alliances individual ones okay i would say there's also group alliances and rivalries coming up okay you even see on the super tease some alliances and some enemies yeah okay yeah if you had to summarize this group start to finish in one

word romantic let's say chaos or let's say a bachelor favorite dramatic which word would you pick wells okay so of the three words romantic yeah chaos chaotic or dramatic number one i'm gonna go the romantic okay out of the three yeah i would also say romantic okay but it's just like and it's just such a, it's such a versatile cast in group. Really in almost every way. Okay. It's really interesting. I love it. We know that you and Hannah are obviously part of the show. Are there

any other alumni you can share with us who will be making appearances? No. No, you don't know if you can share or no, you can't. Both, I guess. No, they don't show up. Aren't we enough for you? Okay, fair enough. Fair enough. Let's get into some behind the scenes, more of a rapid fire here.

a lot of people were asking how long is actual filming it took a month yeah took a month yeah and like and we were and being more involved every day yeah this was so i you know i i i was around with with chris and now with jesse and it used to be that i had to be on set all day and and and you know they had the princess track where like they just came in and was like hey guys it was gone this one's different like you jesse is working a lot more this season that's what i was going to ask because people were that was probably top three questions like what is your schedule like you're there for a month but like what is it actually yeah so that for this season it was like off and on all throughout the day and then we spent an inordinate amount of time in the control room that was actually was really cool

like watching all the action as well in the past the place that i used to stay was an hour away from where we were actually filming this season we were living right there so i could wake up in the morning get breakfast get it like literally get an espresso and like walk in the control room and start watching the conversations as the cast are waking up and going out and getting breakfast and swimming up and and doing all those sorts of things so it was just from a logistic standpoint this year was great because wells and I we were we were like I used to see wells we'd grab dinner with Sarah maybe head into saliolita like a couple times a season this time I mean we're celebrating his birthday like we were like we were always together we could like just just kind of be around each other

and like grab drinks together like someone goes over to the other person's home outside of filming and it was it was nice it was actually this kind of a new crew but then there was a lot of old crew there but the this one was different like I felt like the camaraderie in the crew was really really good and I think it had to do with the fact that we were all living in the same place and it wasn't that hour and a half drive from Porta Vayarta into Sailyta. And I've always said this. After seeing

Sarah's, after seeing modern family and that crew and that cast work together and I 100% believe that the reason why that show was so successful is because everyone loved working with everyone else. It comes across on screen. And I have a feeling that's going to happen

in this one because I do feel like the vibes are really high with cast and crew more so than in years past. I love it. All right. One thing I always ask, contestants, past leads, past people that are on the show is when they're preparing for the show, how much they actually spend and what they pack and how many bags they pack.

But I've never been able to ask a host or bartender. So as you guys are preparing, what does it look like? How many bags do you pack? How much do you spend? What does it look like from a style? One carry on. Yeah, for a month. Okay.

It was Jay Palmer. It was Jay Palmer workout gear. Okay. And it was a bathing suit. and I lived in flip-flops. Like, go to see Carrie Fetman or stylist. Yep, yep. Get changed in my gear.

Yep. You know, and then you're walking out on set and then back into workout gear and flip-flops. I love it. I don't think I wore pants. Like, offset. I don't think I wore pants for a month. That is the dream.

Yeah. Well, similar, I brought golf clubs. Yeah, played one time. And then I brought like a carry-on with like, yeah, flip-flops shorts. and then I have a bar uniform, right? So I have to wear that every episode. And then for rose ceremonies, I have a different uniform.

So Carrie was in charge of getting that for me. I love it. I got a million more questions for you, but we got to wrap here. Before I wrap, it's a finance question. Both of you have had a lot of financial success since your time on The Bachelor. So talk to me about the best thing you've purchased

or best investment that you've made since your time on The Bachelor with money that you've made from the career trajectory from The Bachelor. So best investment that you've made since your time on the show and the best purchase that you've made. Who wants to start? You can go ahead.

Best investment. Now, I don't know if this is fiscally the best investment, but like the thing that I love that I did, joined a country club. Interesting. Yes, it drains money out, but like, one, it's really good for business, you know, like taking clients or whatever, playing golf. but then in terms of like when I do want to unwind and have fun like it's a great place

and the camaraderie is fantastic and also like it's so hard to find tea times if you're not part of a private club I know this is the most like boogey thing ever that's how you know he's had success like dude I can't get on exactly it's so hard to get what a great investment all right so that's I'm calling that your best purchase yeah my best purchase my best investment is always I and I talk about this last time I was on your show as it's always been real estate like I just found out my buddy in national Well, built your fence. Oh, yeah, really?

That's who just called me. Satterfield? Satterfield, but just built your fence. By the way, you met your buddy at my wedding. No, I knew him before. I met him through Gurney. Oh, really? Yeah, yeah, we'll figure this out another time.

Anyways, yeah, it's real. A couple minutes. All right, Jesse, best investment, best purchase. The best investment was Boglehead's Guide to Investing. I read the book on one of our exotics, and it totally changed my outlook on passive investing and something that my wife and I've been doing for the last five. I'd love to pick your brain about it sometime. And just been, like, we're, we become like little finance geeks.

We think it's really interesting and educational, but also has allowed us to sort of take control of our own financial destiny that way. That's more of like a, in terms of investing in our education and setting a plan and savings. Amazing. It's been great. Easily the best purchase I've made is a La Marzaco espresso maker. Oh, yeah. Oh, that's what keeps you in Miami and I have one in L.A., and it is worth the investment as an espresso.

again la marzocco wow yeah it's worth it but i mean you have to grind it yourself you attempt it oh yeah it's like when you're making espresso martini's for justin you as a single as out in fact as a single guy i need to figure out what that was repeat it on dates and that was a vibe right now it's gonna change you get one in the studio we're gonna get one right here all right last we got to wrap with the trading secrets so people can only learn it from you they can't learn from a professor from a youtube or ticot tutorial only through your experiences it could be career finance it could be something about paradise and hosting, anything from professional, personal, or financial matters. But it's a trading secret specific to your track. Who can lead us off here?

I don't know if I said this the last time I was on this show. I'll tell you if you did. Okay. It's really hard to fire a guy that everyone really likes. You did say that. Yeah. And I stick by it too. Like if no one's ever getting rid of the guy that's a vibe and always showing up and working hard. And if you can do that, I think you'll really be successful. Yeah. like that. I like that. I mentioned this earlier, but I mean, I believe it's not just in career, but in life too. Just don't be afraid to say yes more to things. And embrace the uncomfortable. Yeah. Find out about yourself in unfamiliar situations with unfamiliar people

because that proves beneficial to learn more about yourself. It's just, I get it. We always want to be comfortable. We want to be surrounded by familiar and everything we do. I think in love, I think professionally, I think in our career, whatever it is, family. But the more, I think stress is good. I think the right kind of stress is good. And if you can control what that stress is and find out about yourself, I think we should be testing ourselves a lot and just learning about ourselves. It's not about succeeding or failure. I think it's about self-awareness and learning about you, I think is really, really important. I love it. I love it. And sitting here are two extremely successful people in the space.

One of the cool things I've learned from both you, too, is you would expect that you guys have a blueprint to get where you have gotten. And just from your storytelling, it's clear that's not the case. You say yes to opportunities. You learn from people around you, and you keep putting yourself in positions to win. And when you're likable, it's likely you'll be hireable.

So I love it. That is this episode, Trading Secrets. Where can everyone find everything you guys have going on and all things, Paradise? ABC, Hulu and Disney Plus, I'm being told. yeah okay yeah Paradise is Mondays on ABC and then stream the next day on Hulu on Disney Plus

you gotta figure that yeah and then he is going to be calling games coming up very soon college football on ABC that'll be fun yeah you got a cooking show going on holiday baking championship is coming up yes this fall

this is your agent right there I know this is what I'm forgetting Jay Palmer at Fanatics yeah yeah I'm in college gear yeah yeah I got the bull stuff You got some stuff. I'll send you some more for the 25. I didn't know I was a fanatics.

That's sweet. Yeah, yeah, it's great. That's good fun. Good stuff. Yeah. I'm an investor in fanatics. There we go. All right.

Well, thank you guys for being on this episode of Trading Secrets. Bachelor in Paradise. Everyone stay tuned and you guys got more presidu. So thank you for being here. If we go, see you, bro. That was great. Ding, ding, ding. We are closing in the bell to the Jesse Palmer and Wells Adams podcast.

Of course, the week, Paradise is premiering. So a whole lot of action. I got the one and only, the curious Canadian with me. David Ardo. what did you think my man well i got a question for you jay like look wells and jesse they're they're they're not the biggest celebrities in the world but they it's about as big as they get in the bachelor verse and you get them on the podcast you get on the hot seat the week of you know bachelor in paradise premiering twofold question is it feel a little different for you because they're

kind of the the highest end and kind of the universe that you came into this kind of you know celebrity influencer world with does it does it feel a little different and overall like being the host with the host of the franchise, how do you feel it went? How do you think you did? You know, it's funny because I was thinking about going into this interview. Like, we've had billionaires on the podcast. We've had some big A-list athletes and names and, and Jesse and Wells are like you said, about as big as it gets in the Bachelor nation world. But we've had some big people on this podcast. And going into today, like, I got to say the nerves were running a little bit. I'm like, why am I like nervous? Like what's going on here? And I think it was a little bit because it's like

it's the world that I came from, right? Exactly to your point. I'm like, wait a second. How did this happen? I went on one show. I come off in third place and now I get the opportunity here to be interviewing the host and the bartender, the show that's premiering with ABC, you know, PR and people watching and I'm no longer connected to the show. It was kind of like a surreal, a little bit of like a surreal like, wow, this is kind of cool. I'm the host getting to host. But I also noticed like there were a couple of times like these are two professional hosts and like wells like he did in the interview he's like I got a question for you jesse I'm like if I don't step in here and take host role there will be no show because you got two great hosts that will run with it so it was definitely and I will say

there's so many things I could ask each of them individually wells has already been on the podcast and then to have them together with a focus for paradise it was definitely a little tougher to massage and maneuver career navigation finance with pop culture but I think all things considered went pretty well. Well, for what it's worth, I thought that you crushed it. I think there was a great balance of your voice, Jesse's voice and Wells' voice. Like you said, we got a trading secret out of them. We got some rapid fire out of them. We learned a little bit about the season, which I think a lot of people are looking forward to in an optimistic but cautious way because I feel like in the Bachelor universe, and don't shoot me for saying this, we've been

a little let down lately. I think we've been a little... They canceled Paradise on us last year i think the last couple seasons definitely the last season of the basher was underwhelming you know i think we've been a little let down so i'm super excited to see the investment the the strategy changes how they paid off you know that i'm a big love island guy so i'm curious i was dying to see if you could sneak in there a question about just be honest with us how much of these changes in the cameras in the format in the location does it have to do with the bright shiny villa and the cameras that they you know the slow walks and the things that Love Island happened, but I'm excited.

Now, was there anything that you kind of learned? Maybe it wasn't T, but anything that you learned about this season or from them that kind of caught your ear a little bit? I mean, first and foremost, I think it goes, I think pretty much between the lines, they told us exactly what you just said, right? Like, they have to capture Genzi. They have to do things differently. I think the cinematography, we talked a little bit about before the episode, was definitely

a play to do that and they have to make things different and wow so i think without competition this doesn't happen competitions here it's happening i think probably the most eye-opening thing to me which i'll be curious if you actually see it is what they're talking about the production they're saying how open the production was how fluid they were how they were open to feedback how involved they were in some of the the like discussions about behind the scenes because as we've seen from the show for so long The decisions that are made over and over and over are very, very predictable. And what I'm hoping is that we're going to get something not so predictable. I loved the take of like giving a little insight into Jesse's day by day.

Like he gets a coffee. He's in the control room. He's listening in on live conversations. Like for a host, like how much more invested does that make him? Like the fact that he was like an hour and a half away from the set at the old location, you know, it's the old bachelor playbook. I'm going to show up. I know the row ceremony.

I know this date. I know the date card, like it's plug and play. So to have them on their toes a little bit more, too, and get them excited, I think it'll help the product of the show a lot as well. Yeah, I think so, too. I mean, we'll have to see, like, what happens, how it goes down. Obviously, the tease is there. You know, I think everyone's dancing around it a little bit, but the tease is there.

Obviously, someone that's a golden, hooks up with someone who's not. Like that happens, right? Sounds like it. Yeah, it sounds like that they were saying, they said it gets real, weird i loved the i loved the you know the advice they were giving stay in your generational lane but they backed it up with like look like this is a singles retreat and there's no age requirements on singles retreat and we're trying to make this like a very like real life dating world show and that's kind of what they gave us but what i what i did also like is when you you posed the three

questions romantic chaos and drama again i'm going to go back to love island thing i think love island really forced their hand and changing a lot about the show i think it's kind of taken over is the most popular reality TV dating show. But I'm watching Love Island right now, and it is not romantic. It is chaos, one, drama, two, and romantic three. And as much as I like reality TV,

you watch dating shows for romance. And I think The Bachelor over the years has gotten away from the romance piece for the drama. And you've heard it say the most dramatic season. Like no one, at the end of the day, people want to see their romantic piece. So if they're right and romantic is number one,

at top of their minds that they come up with the show, I think it's a huge opportunity for the Bachelor franchise to get some of those fans who may have astrayed when Love Island, admittedly, their producers are already admitting that they drop the ball of season by casting cast members that were there for clout, and the whole season has been just off-kilter of what we're used to. Yeah, but we've also seen in the Bachelor franchise

that those who, I mean, it's too transparent now, that those who end up in relation to, from the show and from Paradise see the greatest return. Correct. And you've seen in the previous Paradise seasons that they go in trying to orchestrate their success in the relationship

because they see a monetary return. I, you know, we've heard some names that they discussed in this episode. We'll see what happens with that. But like, I don't know that the credibility of long term is there with the franchise unless we believe it at this point because we've seen so much turmoil.

So if it's going to be romantic, we have to believe it. We've got to believe it. I've also heard some other, like going back to Paradise, I've heard some other spoilers about some of the twists and turns. I can't speak to those because if they are true, they're not from sources that are 100% credible, so I can't, but I still don't want to speak to them because I don't want to spoil anything.

But if they are true, entertaining. Okay. Different. We heard Jesse say competition show. Yeah, it has to be entertaining at the end of the day. Well, look, and one thing I'm taking away from this episode is I'm making my wife listen, just to hear Wells say the best investment in purchase he's made is joining a country club. As we know that that's my B-L-end all.

So I'm on the well stream for that. And I do got to say from my life, I always like picturing myself as the sluggish guy sitting on the couch that I've been at unfortunate times. in the last five, 10 years and looking for this podcast for advice or takeaways or pick me ups and just Jesse saying, you know, that his whole thing that he won't say no. He doesn't

know what's next in his life, but what he does know is that he won't say no. That's kind of how he got to where he is and then he said it again, his trading secret. Don't be afraid to say yes more. Feel uncomfortable and you'll learn more about yourself. So I thought that those were really, really interesting takeaways from both of them and just great energy, chemistry

those guys have. Yeah, everything from career navigation to their best investments to their best purchases, all the things of when they're known about the show from a timing perspective, who they think is going to pop off. The age gap and all, there is a lot discussed here. I wish I had more time to ask more hard-hitting questions. But in the background, David, on my little Google sheet that I keep up, I was getting yelled at from a time perspective because they're going back to back-to-back. But let me tell you this, I will have Jesse back on, and I will be able to ask a little bit more of those hard-hitting questions. I think we did get a few

in there. I think even in the beginning, like hitting them with the like, give me the state of the union right from the get go was fun. But yeah, it was a good episode. I hope you enjoyed it. And David, you and I will for sure be tuning into Paradise. Might even have to touch on it a little bit in the recaps. Yeah, I think we have to. Or maybe it's a little IG series. We've talked about this a lot. And I think that we'd be really electric. And I think it would be fun. And I think it would be different. I think it would align with something that I think maybe, you know, why we probably haven't done it is because we were kind of sick of the old format we kind of was kind of plug and play and we were just kind of repeating or predicting the things we already knew

so if we're going to have some genuine reactions maybe we should you know we should we should tune in to see the differences but i'd be down to do something i would be well let's strategize don't say no let's try just don't say no don't be afraid to say yes i'm sorry jessie palmer's suggestion i love it i I love it. And unfortunately, no Hannah Brown today. Yeah, I know Hannah Brown, but that's just more reason. Is Hannah Brown in town? Yeah? Oh, interesting. More reason to get her on after the fact.

Okay. I would love to have Hannah Brown on. I know all of our listeners would too. Oh, yes. 100%. Yeah. She's probably the one. We'll have to try to make that happen. She's probably the one like Mount Rushmore type of Bachelor alum that we haven't had on yet. Yeah. We'll make that happen. I hope so. She's the queen of the franchise, so I hope so. That's right.

do it. I love it. All right. Well, David, thank you for being here with me. As always, please give us five stars. Let us know what your biggest takeaway of this episode was. And thank you for tuning into another episode of Trading Secrets, one you couldn't afford to miss. Thank you.