Trading Secrets - 255. Tyler Cameron & Tate Madden: From contractor work and DIY to realtor and building their own brands, BTS of new business ventures, life updates, and planning for the future

Episode Date: September 29, 2025

This week, Jason is joined by reality TV and Jupiter, Florida’s favorite couple, Tyler Cameron and Tate Madden! Many know Tyler from his numerous reality TV appearances, more specifically in Bachelor Nation where he was looking to find love. Little did he know that true love was right under his nose having met Tate while working at his company in Florida. Tyler and Tate have continued working together in their own entrepreneurial endeavors, including a new career pivot for Tyler. Tyler and Tate open up about where life and business have taken them since reality TV. Tyler shares his transition into real estate, what it’s really like working as a realtor compared to being a contractor, and why—despite signing with Serhant—he won’t be appearing on Selling Manhattan. He talks about the importance of being part of a team, his Emmy nomination, and the best house flip they’ve pulled off so far, plus why the “buy and hold” tactic matters in real estate. Tate dives into building her personal brand online, blocking out the noise of social media, and the influence her mom had on their early DIY projects. Together, they reflect on long-term professional and personal planning, the challenges that come with doing things that feel scary or uncomfortable, and how their personalities balance one another. From whether reality TV could still be in their future, to how their parents defend them online, to what today’s reality shows can learn from younger generations—Tyler and Tate leave no stone unturned. And of course, some rapid-fire fun to wrap it all up. Tate and Tyler reveal all this and so much more in another episode you can’t afford to miss! Host: Jason Tartick Co-Host: David Arduin Audio: John Gurney Guest: Tyler Cameron + Tate Madden Stay connected with the Trading Secrets Podcast!  Instagram: @tradingsecretspodcast  Youtube: Trading Secrets Facebook: Join the Group All Access: Free 30-Day Trial  Trading Secrets Steals & Deals! Trova Trip: If you've been putting off that "someday" trip because of time or planning stress — here's your sign. Go to trovatrip.com and use code TRADINGSECRETS for $100 off your first trip. UpWork: Posting a job on Upwork is easy; with no cost to join, you can register, browse freelancer profiles, get help drafting a job post, or even book a consultation. Visit Upwork.com right now and post your job for free. Yubico: Protecting the personal and business applications and accounts that people and companies rely on every day, the YubiKey stops AI-powered cyberattacks, online identity scams, fraud, and account takeovers. It provides powerful protection and it’s easy to use. Visit Yubico.com and  use code “JASON” at purchase for $5 off a YubiKey 5C NFC.

Welcome back to another episode of Trading Secrets. Today we are joined by reality TV and Jupiter's Florida's favorite couple, Tyler Cameron and Tate Madden. Many of you know Tyler from his numerous reality TV appearances, more specifically in Bachelor Nation. was looking to find love. Little did he know that true love was right under his nose, having met Tate while working at his company in Florida.

Tyler and Tate have continued working together in their own entrepreneurial endeavors, including a new career pivot for Tyler, which we'll talk about here and what Tate is up to. We're going to talk about all things. They've been on the pod before. Last time you're on the pod, you told me your whole story of how you guys met. You tried to lie to me and say that she was spinning a four sale or clearance sign. I called out the bullshit from a mile away. I learned how you actually met.

And I even learned that you fired Tate. Well, yeah, actually, I did fire her. You did fire her. Yeah, I did fire her. Yeah. You fired your girlfriend. I still be working really hard, you guys. That's true.

But no, no, no. He fired you and now you're killing it. Yes. Now you're glowing and thriving. Yes. Thanks to you. We're crushing it. All right.

We're doing an update episode here because you guys always have so much going on and it happens so quickly. So I was like, while you're here, we've got to sit back down. Recent news. You just signed with the Surhan Group. I think a lot of people were surprised by that. They're like, wait a second. Tyler's going to go be a realtor.

He's going to go work for someone else. He builds his own stuff. He's got his own Airbnb. He had his own TV show. He's a model. He's a creator. Now he's going to go be a reality realtor. Talk to me about that decision.

Yeah. So, you know, I was, I think we're all trying to figure out what our passions are, what our gifts are and whatnot. And, you know, I kind of wrote this in my substack the other day that I think my gift is just being and working with people and I'm a people person sometimes it's exhausting for Tate but also my favorite thing about him yeah but I just love working with people I love pleasing people like making sure like they get what they need they're happy all that but you know so I was like okay what is that you know that's one of my favorite things to do is there's be with people

and help people and work with people the other thing I love to do is just look through Zillow look at real estate I'm always on looping at Zillow anything you can look at I'm always looking at for real estate and she it's like really it's like 1130 at night I can't sleep and she rolls over it's just me on zillow and so I was like what if I combine my two passions because I'm always finding real estate for myself and now I've started finding it for my friends recently and then I combined with people I'm like boom I'd be a great realtor so and another thing too is like being in gc is very very difficult yeah general contractor building houses and working for other people you know when you have clients you got to be on that job every single day to make sure it's getting

done correctly. But, you know, I can still do that in the capacity of just building my own project. So I'll still do spec homes or my own houses that I'll renovate and flip. But I just have a hard time being able to go out and do others right now. I'm working on finding a partner to do that stuff with, but right now it's just too much on my plate. But real estate, being a realtor is so much more fluid than a contractor. We have to be there day to day. Gotcha. Will you go on the realtor reality television show owning Manhattan, under Sirhan. No, I mean, I'm not a part of any night.

So you won't be part of the show at all? No, so, okay. I mean, owning Manhattan. I'm in Jupiter. Yeah. I'm just trying to own Jupiter. Yeah. So they just filmed season two.

It comes out December 5th, which is exciting. It's going to be a rock star show. Once again, I mean, they're on Netflix. They got another show. They were like the fastest show that, like, one of the fastest shows that get a second season. They popped, and they popped quick. Yeah. Why not, if you're going to be a realtor and Tate, I'm coming to you a second,

but if you're going to be a realtor, why not just, create your own firm, why go to Surhan's? Because the power in Surhan is incredible. I've witnessed it from, you know, just being there. I've been there one week. I've had two people come to me about, you know, that are buyers trying to buy over $10 million. I got another person coming to me about Wait, people are putting $10 million listings on your table already? No, they're coming to me to help them find $10 million. Wow. I got people coming to me about about a new development, you know, and the Hope Sound, Jets and Beach. Stewart area to do a bunch of town homes. It just opened so many doors. And then when you talk

about what's already been done in Palm Beach County, the Surhan, you know, realty is number one and two, after two years, they're already number one in Delray Beach. They're doing 750 million a year. Wow. And I mean, and before Surhan's name was there, it was probably 50, 60 million at that same brokerage. And now the Sirhan stamp is on it. And he's there. He's a, he's a motor. Yeah, he's a Beast. Any big listing, he's there. He supports his people. He supports his team. There's no bigger momentum in the real estate game than Sir Hans. He's been on the podcast. He's an absolute beast. Tate. Are you going to be involved in this business at all? Are you going to be a realtor? I don't think I'm going to be a realtor. But I do want to just add a little something

to that. I think why you want to start your own is I think one of the best things about Tyler is he knows when he isn't the best in a certain field. And he enjoys learning. So obviously he has more doors that open up in the position that he's in to meet these people to teach him. And he is one of the most excited people I've ever seen, like when he meets certain people that inspire him to just want to learn, sit, learn, talk. Like, he will talk to people for hours. So I think that Ryan was like the perfect person for him to come into contact with because he's just, I think, looks up to him. And even like the local guys, Christian practice, who's my broker and, you know, now we're basically. training every morning together and he's you know we're working out together i'm teaching in the gym

he's teaching me in real estate you know i'm just soaking up everything you know bill volpy like you know great names that are doing such big things i'm they just took me in you know and it's it's you know i was kind of concerned like are people going to be like oh who's this fucking joe schmoe sure she's hot shit from reality television no they're like yeah you're part of the family type vibe and i love being a part of a team you know like i'm i played football my whole life i've played sports my whole life like team culture is the best I love it. Trading Secrets is supported by Ubiko, makers of the Ubiqui, protecting the personal and business applications in accounts that people and companies rely on every day. The Ubikee stops

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It can vary, of course, but usually 6% of the deal is always, say, for the realtors. Okay. And then it can vary, you know, because it really, it's all in control of the owner of the house. So the owner can be like, I want to give that 4% or 3%, and then they have to figure out how to divvy it up. Okay. So it's all based on that. When, do you have, like, a dollar amount of a house you want to meet is a minimum threshold? Like, I want to only sell properties over a million dollar value, or do you have that threshold?

No, I think, I think, especially now I'm cutting my teeth, like, I'd be happy to take anyone's home. Okay. I just got a listing for 700K. Let's go. And I'm thrilled. And honestly, that's the market I buy in a lot. That's the market I really, really know well. Because I've always been buying those houses to turn into short-term rentals and whatnot.

So, like, I'm excited to hop into this one. And what's cool about, like, you never know who you're selling for. And the person that has got this house, he's also a developer. Like, he's a big, this is just like a fun flip that he's doing. So it's like, he hit me up. I was like, heck, yeah, I'll do this. If I said no, that probably turns down any opportunities more with that person. Yeah, and it's like you've created this interesting spider web where you meet the developer.

You can sell us home, and the developer can then help you with other projects that can touch other things. I love it. It's so smart. We'll come back to real estate. But for Tate, right now, you are ripping on social media. You're killing it out there. You are now, like, building your own brand in a massive way. I think you and I did a funny video where you and I were like sitting by the pool, sipping margaritas.

Tate was like ripping down dry wall, taking off the wall. wallpaper, you're in it. It feels like interior design is a big part of your brand right now. Tell me about, like, what is your vision as you continue to thrive within building a brand now? Honestly, right now, I'm just going with the flow in a bit. I kind of dove into this spontaneously because we were, you know, redoing our house. And I've always loved design, but I never thought, you know, you always question like, am I good at this? Am I not? good at this and I was very nervous when I first when we first were discussing like oh like let's start doing reveals of our house and I was kind of like okay like I don't know more you nervous about

like what people would say about your design I'm still working on that I think I'm new to all of this still and so I mean he always has talks with me as far as like stop reading things stop doing that you know I get my feelings hurt and and whatnot and I think I'm getting better at it But yeah, like he always says, like you can read a million good ones and then you're always going to fixate on that one bad one. That's real. And it's so, it was so true with me. I'm like, well, why do they think that of me? Like, I need to explain myself. Like, I need to explain to them that like, no, I'm a good person. And it's like at the end of the day, it's like people just want to say what they want to say and it's fine. So I think going into doing like our first reveal, I was just nervous. Like, oh, people are going to say I'm stupid or like, oh, look at this girl trying to like be someone, blah, blah, blah. but the reaction honestly was went crazy there was people love it I was trying to find a bad one

and there wasn't and it was such a good feeling because I did enjoy it so much grant there was there was times where we were really knee deep in some shit where I was like maybe I don't enjoy this as much. Wait like you too or the project?

Just the pro like just so much going on like everything's ripped apart like we have half of our stuff in storage half of our stuff at this apartment we're living in right now while our house is being renovated half like then there's another like we had a pod in our driveway that we had other stuff so it was just like chaos

I was overwhelmed it was just anxiety and you're also like working like we would work on the house room sun up to sundown get in bed we're still like trying to buy and shop for the next day of things we need to do like and mind you we're like in the you're doing it yourself you're in the weeds yeah we had help but like a lot of like the bigger projects like I mean my mom's a badass I grew up with her I mean, I'm one of six siblings. She, we didn't have a lot of, like, savings. So if she wanted an upgrade to our house, like, she was going to figure it out herself and, like, make it happen.

So I always watched her. And I was like, wow, like, I love that she can do that stuff. So I always wanted to learn. So she was, like, your inspo for a design perspective. And we flew her in a couple times. I mean, she would have, I mean, she's just the best in the whole universe. And so when we went into it, I'm like, yeah, I'm like, I'm going to do this isn't this, then everything starts getting ripped out and it starts to seem so big

and you start to be buried and it's like claustrophobic and you're like, oh my gosh, what did I just commit to? So there were some things where I was like, you get people on the phone, you get them here right now to help me. But other stuff, yeah, like I did it myself and I'm really proud now that it's over. But in the moment, I'm like, wow, we're really just like starting our relationship. Diving into work? Just, yeah, diving into dating work. Like no one even knows we're dating yet. Like there's that whole like balance of like that's new too. We also thought we could live in the house. Then we're like moving into this small apartment with my sister and her boyfriend and like we have all the dogs and like it was a lot going on. And now that we're over it,

I was like, dang, if we can get through this, like we really can get through anything because we were thrown to the trenches like straight out the gate. So it was hard. But in the end, I think the reaction to people and like seeing that they really enjoyed what we gave them as far as like the reveal goes. It was a definitely, I can say, like a very proud moment for me. I was like, I did that. Like, we did that. It also is like kind of like, okay, we belong in this space. You could do it. You can do it. Let me ask you us, we'll talk a little bit about what your future looks like with design and what your plan is. But before we do that, you've done a bunch of renovations. You did the gym. You did the showings. People love this stuff. Talk to me about,

like, for each one of the projects you're showing, how much are you spending on those projects? Give me an idea of how much time. And then give me an idea of like what you think it actually translate into increased equity if you had to guess those things for all your projects yeah so i think in total we've probably i mean we've gutted our whole house we ripped it to the freaking studs yeah everywhere you know and i think in total we's probably spent around 250 to 300 000 doing it all doing it all okay and what do you buy for what do we buy for like i mean we bought the house for 600 what did we buy for honey we bought it for 660 and Put 300 in.

And we put about 300 in, so we're about 960 now. I think homes, like, we've already seen homes selling for, like, you know, our size, not updated for $800,000. So I think we're in an area where, like, we could probably get 1.1, 1.2. Nice. I still need to put some money in the exterior, but that's now. I don't think this is a buy and sell now to ever make money. You're holding it. This is a buy and hold.

There's major developments happening, two streets from us, that is going. to bring massive, massive amounts of money. Gotcha. And that, like, if I can hold this house for 10 years, 5, 10 years, that's what the money's made. Interesting. So this one, you know, we bought it. We probably spent a little bit more than what the house deserved.

So we honestly, every house has an amount you shouldn't spend over. Sure. Sure. Then you're just like gold plate in the house. Well, if it was six, if it's, let's call it $6.50 and you spend $3.25, that's 50% of the cost of the house, which typically is more than you would put into a house, right? So, exactly. Exactly. But we also, like, this was like, the more we got into it, the more like, oh, we love it in this neighborhood.

Yeah. We could see ourselves being here long term. We originally started renovating. He was like, I want to be here for like two years. Yeah. Yeah, because then you get the portability tax. You sell it. Then you don't have to pay taxes on it. Gotcha. You go up. You just go get to push it, defer it to the next house. I love it. So that was my plan. You're team up here. You're talking about that. I'm going to come back to real estate. I'm coming back to interior design. But you're talking about long term here. I mean, how's long term planning going on with her? relationship here. It's going really well. You need a ring guy. I got a ring guy. I know you got a ring guy. So any live-term planning? Any updates there? Yeah. I think things are going in a great

direction. I think I definitely... You know, I just don't want to be that girl. I'm to be honest. Like, you know, you don't want to ever be the girl. It's like, when am I going to, when are you going to propose to me? So I just kind of keep my mouth shut on this. No, I, we're definitely making all those strides and I definitely see us there. Fucking right. Let's go. All right, back to business here. I'll marry him in a second, but I want it to be, he wants to marry me. I don't want to be like, what do we do? I do want to, I know I do want to marry you. Do you how bad?

Yeah, say it now, bitch. Yeah, come on. What's about to happen? Are we doing this right here right now? But, yeah, so next question. Okay. If you need an efficient, let me know. If you are a traveler, here is a trading secret.

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a true good number we put 250 into the house that appraised for a million dollars once we were done. Wow. Oh my gosh. So you say what? 250 on 450, $675, $6.75, a million. So you get less than $300, $3.25 on the profit. That's a big one.

Yeah. I love it. I only pulled out, I only pulled out what I put into it. So I pulled out, the reason I got that appraised it, pulled out the $2.25 so then I can get my money out of it. Now I split the profits with my brother. Split the profits. Then go invest something else.

And now, additionally, you'll be able to sell that house, right? Never sell it. never sell. That's the childhood. No, I mean, you'll be, like, any house, you'll be able to actually sell the property and make money off that. Exactly. Exactly. Yeah, yeah, yeah. I got you. Um, but my, my whole goal is to buy and hold. Interesting. Buy and hold. Because I remember as a kid, like, talking to my dad, my dad was like, you know, like, I bought your mom's house for 90 grand in 1993. Mm-hmm. And I'm like, damn, why didn't you buy the whole block, pop? Sure. I don't. He's like, well, 90 grand was all I had you know he's like I had a steal from my job like because he was a contractor he's like so I didn't

pay any work for two weeks and then to go buy the house I deferred payments to everybody and then then paid him a little bit more because I felt bad you know yeah and he's like but that's all I had you know and so you know if I can and I saw some my thought process I was like if you just buy and hold and 10 20 30 you know that's 30 years later now the house is worth a million dollars yeah it's a good it's a good appreciation right there appreciation damn and because real estate there's so many advantages to it there's the there's the depreciation, there's, then there's a rental income that's building you equity. There's just such, it's such a good thing to do. And it's so, if you're making a lot of income,

it goes against your income, it's great. Plus, you have like the infrastructure. You have, you know, your dad's in the business, your brothers help out in the business. Tate is interior designer. You had a contracting company. You're now a realtor yourself. Like, you're building that whole empire. Exactly. Tate, let's talk about it. What's your empire going to look like? Interior design. What do you do from here? Do you create a brand? Do you start a, do you start a, fucking going full Martha Stewart and writing books get your own show like what does it look like I didn't tell Jason to ask this question

yeah is this something you ask often wait did you do no I was like what no Tyler tries to talk to me about this all the time because he would love for me to start a design firm the thing about me is I am not I don't have the same personality as Tyler so yes I'm very outgoing I love people

but in the sense of I'm social He loves the challenge of taking someone who maybe is a little, I don't even know like the words to say it. For example, our short-term rentals, if there's a guest that's, you know, upset about something or, you know, whatever it may be, he is thrilled to go over these people. He gets fired up to go win them over, fix the problem, come back. He's like, they love me now. they asked me to go on the boat like they asked me to go fishing me that gives me such anxiety and it makes me panic and he doesn't really understand that because he's so different where if i i've been a

personal shopper for people yeah where i hate the confrontation like i'm such like a i don't like people being upset with me so the thought of designing for just like clients kind of gives me a lot of anxiety where it's like you know you're always going to upset someone someone's always going to want something cheaper but then still want the product to be what is elevated we call it champagne taste on beer budget yes where it's like if i can't deliver and it's like i don't know how to handle those type of people like he does so well yeah like he thrives on it and i kind of like cower which i don't particularly like about myself but it's something that i recognize where I think that I would love if we were able to, like, buy more properties and me, like, turn them into short-term rentals, make, like, fun themes for each of the houses and do that whole thing and then show them on social media.

I think that would be super fun. But, yeah, the whole design firm. What you're about to do again? Can I challenge you? Yeah. Well, my thought I have is, like, if you're the artist, if you're designing, that's your value ad. If you're forte, like, the musician that's sitting on a concert, his value at is singing or playing the guitar. He doesn't know how to fucking negotiate

He doesn't know how to do his deals For the most part, his or her deals So like if you have such a skill set at designing But it's the business stuff that you're not strong at Just hire a business operator to do all negotiations All conversations, all conflict resolution You just be the artist. Yeah, no, that's that's really smart

Right, like if that's your skill set, which I think it is You know what I mean? That'd be great Or I think there's other areas too Like Haley Yeah, Haley. Yeah, right? Yes. Or you can create your own book or your own thing that people can actually buy

as opposed to them buying your services, too, so you can still showcase your art. Yes. I also think that it's something that might be just growing pain, where I do like, when he challenges me with that because I think he believes in me so much, which is wonderful and he thinks I'm so great, I think, one, I get nervous of like letting him down, letting myself down, but I also am very competitive in the sense where I do have thoughts where I'm like, rise up to like the challenge, like prove to yourself that you can, you know, be someone who you always were scared to be in a sense,

which also excites me in some way, but also makes me nervous. But I think that's life. And I think that you only get so far in life if you take those chances where you do things that make you nervous and make you uncomfortable. So yeah, I go back and forth on like, hey, you know yourself, be true to your yourself, you understand what you want, but then also the competitive side of me and the other side of me is like, no, Tate, you're better than this. Like, be someone who you maybe never thought you could be and, like, prove to yourself that you can be that person. So it's always, you know,

a little bit of a, you know, shifting. But you've already, like, you're already, since you've been on this podcast before, you've already proven in many ways that you can do this, right? Like, think about what you're doing right now. That's actually, we talk, and I think grown, too. Grown. Even just, like, the way you're communicating and talking on this podcast,

you sound so much more knowledgeable and intuitive to what you are in this industry compared to, like, the last talk. Yeah, last time it was like she was nervous to come on. Now she's running the whole fucking show. I'm not sure. She's the host now. All right, well, let me ask you this.

We talked a little money on this podcast. I don't know if you could share this. There's a point to it. How much were you making when before Tyler fired you? I was making $60K. 60K. Okay, my question to you now, he fired you. You started your own little path. Have you outpaced that in earnings? Yes, by like quadruple. Let's go. See, you're already, you're already doing. Was that a rewire plus? Yeah. That was a rewire plug. Let's go. But no, you're, you're, you're, you're, like, I'm worried about carving my path. I think you guys had that, I think you guys had HRSA past that the first month you guys were working together.

All you said was just give us, I said, give me the go, Tate. We will do it. for you. And I said, you're doing it. You're my friend, Jason, I trust you. Hell yeah, brother. You're doing it yourself. No, I'm saying? It's you.

It's you're making it easy. I will say, I mean, no one ever talks. I don't know if people ever talk about your business on you. You're always talking about everyone else. Yeah. Yeah. Because I get to see it on her side and the way you guys work and the way you guys go get deals.

Get it. Like you guys hustle. You guys are like probably the strongest outgoing agency there is. Yeah. and I think that is going like you're going to create such value well you create such value already but you're going to create such value for your brand and something big is going to happen yeah not to mention the team that you have yeah people there has not been a single person that i've communicated like communicated with that i just don't think is the most elite type of human

ever like just such great people who just care and they can also be your friend, but also, you know, they're grinding for it. Like, it's, yeah, really, really cool. It's funny. When we started it, I was just like, we could do something different. I never expected it might be, like, the long-term thing. And now it's, like, starting to outpace and outgrow everything else. Like, and that's why I want you to do your interior design.

Like, you never think in 10 years it will be this thing, but then it just happens. And it'll kind of like your real estate, like, we're talking about, like, you just got to fucking do it. Just, like, go do it, and then watch it, like, become something you never could have imagined if you come you got to be you just got to go you know and i put one foot in front of the other keep doing the right thing and just good things start falling in the place they fall the place it's true it just but if you sit and are stagnant and you're scared and you're nervous you're just going to be in the same place you just have to move forward okay and we're literally telling you

we're literally telling you you have no choice exactly like you just i'm going to do it you guys like being uncomfortable makes you so much better a hundred percent all right let's talk about this little TV time i mean you got you had your own show that's where you guys met i got that pleasure being on that show what do you think in entertainment wise like are you trying to get back on tv do you think reality tvs in your future what it looked like yeah definitely we're definitely working on some things any dating shows no i'm just kidding don't answer that but no what's the we're definitely working on some things you know we're we're trying to you know get tate you know on TVs, you know, I want her to, I want her to be my designer on the show.

That would be like a dream. Love that. That's my dream date. Oh, that's cute. Wow. Yeah. He's so soft and romantic these days. But, no, I think that would be great.

We have some fun ideas up our sleeves right now. We're working on and, you know, hopefully we can make it back on the screen soon. All right. Let's go. Are you pitching a couple things out maybe? Yeah, we're working. I'm working. I never stop.

You never stop. You're hustling in every single direction. I'm an Emmy nominated, like, TV. Does that mean, because I was a guest on that show, does that mean I got Emmy nomination? I think we can say you're an Emmy like a throw it down. Wait, so let's talk about that.

To get nominated for that means you have to like pay someone off? How does that work? No. Literally, this is the story of my Emmy nomination. I'm walking, we're doing a little dog walk at the end of the night and I get a call from our showrunner, Chaz, who loved him to death. And Chazz goes, you just got nominated for an Emmy.

I go. ha ha chas what's the joke what's going on today and he goes no i'm dead ass and he sends me an article and then i sent it to my agent and or i sent it to haley and she's like like i don't know what this is she didn't think it's real either she just like threw it out yeah and i was like no like chas is saying this is real we should look at it and then she digs and then she's like oh shit holy we just got an emmy nomination so are you going to go yeah of course of course i'm i'm gonna campaign i don't even think you can campaign but i'm a campaign somehow that is insane if you wouldn't have me i'll shit my Actually, we'll all win an Emmy, so we're all team.

We'll have a hell of a party after. Yeah, yeah. All right, speaking of Emmys, what didn't get an Emmy was the video of you getting doused in milk dancing out there went viral. I'm curious. You're new to this space. There was a lot of noise. There was a lot of, like, love for it, but there was also, like, a lot of, like, a lot of chirps and stuff. How did it more hate?

How do you feel? Like, I thought it was hilarious. I think there's more love than hate, but it just depends on how you see. But, like, but that was, like, your first, like, dose of hate. of dealing with that. How did it, like, how did it impact you? It was rough. I think it was my first situation where, wow, people are creating this entire narrative over something that, like, they weren't there. They actually don't know. And you see people storytell about you and, like, what things are as, like, a fact. And it's so hard to reel it in and not be like,

explain yourself. Like, this isn't what happened. Like, you're wrong. Like, I'm not this. I'm not this. I'm not this. And that was definitely a learning curve for me because all I wanted to do was defend myself. Also, my parents wanted to defend me. My dad's like, oh, I'm about to. And I'm like, Jeff. I think dad is currently banned on TikTok for defending her. No, he cracks up. Your dad was in the comments, just ripping.

My dad has commented things back to people, like, saying bad. Crazy. Yeah. If they say bad things about me. Give me an example. Like, what is he said? He's like, he commented one time. You can't be this dumb.

You can't be this dumb, you bitch. Yeah, like, something bad. Stop. Yeah. I'm like, Mr. Madden? You got to take that down. And he's like, I just don't understand it. And I'm like, dad.

Like, I love you. Like, he would just fight to the death for me. My mom was the same way. I remember like, like, oh, your mom would get in the weeds. Oh, yeah. I remember my mom, someone, I saw it on a Facebook post and someone commented about me and and we were walking down the boardwalk on our hometown date. And I was like, sureless, we're getting ready to go dance after the boat.

And they were like, someone coming like, you know, if he was going on the TV, you think he'd lose a few pounds. And my mom. goes, let me see your six-pack, fat ass. I love it. Yeah, there's one side of it where it's like, you know, I love the passion of the parents. There's no one that'll just like fight to the death of you,

like your parents. But at the same time, I think it's a learning curve for my whole family because my family is right or die. So definitely we have had some talks. Like, we all, like, let's all just say it in the family group chat. I like it. I like it. But like let's not.

Go public. not aired out. Yeah, there's a whole, it's a whole different ballgame out there. Yeah, and it impacts like, now it impacts your business, which is crazy, right? Exactly. Let's not look completely crazy. You went from reporting to Tyler Cameron to now managing your own brand online and not it. And now Tyler reports to you. Scaling your business requires the right expertise at the right time. With Upwork, you can find specialized freelancers in marketing, development, design, and more and experts who are ready to help you take your business to the next level. With more than two decades of experience with simple and ambitious goal of just pioneering a better

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and connect with top talent, ready to help your business grow. That's Upwork, U-P-W-O-R-K.com. Work.com. One thing I got for you time. I'm on Tate's brand trip this weekend. Actually, you're right. You are the plus. You're the plus one. You're lucky you got invited. I'm the passenger. You know what I'm talking about stock? Like, I would buy her stock right now. I would hold yours. I would hold your. I wouldn't sell yours. Okay. No, I'm just kidding. I'll buy your buyers. I'll buy your stock. Don't worry. A question I got about buyer sell or holds, Bachelor of Paradise. Are you watching it at all? Have not watched it. Yeah, I do want to check it out though. Yeah. Okay. Any takes on what do you think? We're here. I've seen

While when people are here, we're seeing it, I mean, we're literally talking about and seeing their success and everything. We're from the Bachelor franchise. What do you think? You know what? Business-wise with Bachelor. I think this might be like a, you know, people, the Bachelor is such a serious show because it's about, like, getting engaged. Parox is about getting engaged. So I think everyone's like, we need more mature people to be on the show.

We need people that are older. But the older people, like, you know, I just don't think ours fun and bring, like, bring the young, hot, sexy people back. like like bring like handel was 24 i think yeah how old are you when you're gonna i was 26 i was 29 i'm a kid yeah you know like bring bring bring the fun crazy kid like luke parker was young yeah he was a fan he was the best villain in tv ever you like like like bring bring young immature people because you're going to get crazy shit and it's going to be entertaining like these are reality people they're not geniuses they're not they're not you know like like quit looking up to us just look at us as idiots yeah the idiots that we try

truly are here to entertain you fan base we are we truly are no all right that's fair so a good take on that but i good take on that get younger get younger i guess is what i would say okay so batch franchise you buy in you hold and you selling holding holding holding yeah hold no what do you think i think holding i think over time it could if you know what buy actually wow flipping the script here I'm buying it. I like that they're trying to change. They have the news. They're shooting a different way.

Like, I think it looks prettier. I think it's going to take an adjustment for people. But, like, Bachelor in the past was so, like, it was old. Like, I remember when I was on the show six years ago, I was like, I was walking around the set. I'm like, this design, this decor is all, like, old and dated. Like, they need to update and spruce this whole thing. The apples, everything. Yeah.

And now, like, they're making it young and hot and hip. Like this is much better And I think it's because they're getting pressure From Love Island all these other places And I think it's a good step in the right direction Anytime you make a big change So there's always going to be a little backlash There's always going to be a little hate

Growing pains In the end it would be very beneficial for them Just turn it up a notch I just think they need to go and get somebody Like a big star To be the bachelor Pay somebody some money Like we see Harry's getting married

Or let's marry Harry like people are going to tune in because it's a big person to watch. Sure, sure. You know, get someone who's going to, like, shock and all everybody, bring them in. Yeah. Don't bring Joe Schmo because you're just going to, like, no, there's no story to it. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. I want to hear about someone who's, we've watched for eight years on TV or this or that.

I agree with that. I agree. Go back to, like, go back and get someone. Like in the old days, they would do like, the bachelor was like, I think like a celebrity or like an athlete or like, yeah, go. I agree with that. Like, scratch. Go get a athlete. someone who's done yes yeah like but there's a storyline like obviously you're not going to be able

to get joe burrow but like you need someone that's like in the game that people like them brings in a new audience and people are trying to trying to recreate a joe grocery store joe or those guys i think it's done he's a he's a he's a one hit like he's he's he's he's no one is done and no one's ever in the franchise done what joe's done yeah you can't like that's that's yeah it's it's trying to find a needle in a haystack where if you go and you know there's a thousand grocery store guys and you want to try and do like an unsung hero yeah no go get that guy who is a stud yeah and if you look at business like e-news we just saw their tv show just got canceled after 34 years you're seeing tv shows get canceled you're seeing things change like it's all digital now you got to get

people like whoever you get go make sure that they're good at digital too yeah you have someone because they got to be pumping it out and you can't be like hindering that's what these young kids are you got these love like island kids are 10 times better than us and so I'm like taking notes they got all these different cameras and shit I'm like what do we've got they got seven years They got this. They know everything. They're a stream. It's a tripod.

I'm like, hey, can we get a picture? Let's edit it into our caps. You know. It's a different game out there. Go get the young guys because you need them to promote the show. That's right. All right. Well, we're in the Hamptons right now.

We're going to go have a good rest of our day. Thank you guys for being treating secrets before we do. Let's go. Goals. What is the income goal for yourself? Let's talk about the real estate game. How much in 2026? You're just starting now.

2026. How much you want to make is a realtor only? By the end of 2020? By the end of 2026? I want to hit 50 million in sales, which means I bring home, like, hopefully, 1.5 mil. All right, Tate, with your brand and what you're doing and how you're doing it, from now to 2026 and to 226, what do you want to make? Throw it out there. Dream big.

26. Year and a half. I'd like to make, like, close to half a melly. All right, half a year and a half, so probably like, sad. My girl's buying me a pool. All right. 800. 800, 10.

Let's go. Hey, hey. Hey. Hey! All right, we got to wrap with your trading secret. Give us a trading secret that's unique to Tyler and Tate. What can you end with? You want to go first?

Trading secret. Fake it until you make it. Fake it until you make it? It's a good one. That's a good one. That's a good one. I kind of was harping on earlier. Just hammered down again.

Keep moving forward. Actually, scratch that. O'Landria's here. I'm going to say this to you. Like, use your network and voice what you want to do. Right. And I've done that. I've just voiced what I want to do.

And all of a sudden, people start, helping you connect the dots. So use your network, voice, voice what you want to do, put it out there, and all of a sudden things are happening, put out there that I wanted to be a realtor. Next thing you know, I'm a surhand. Next thing you know, I'm getting such bigger deals than I could have ever imagined. Put it out there, network, and good things will come. I like it.

All right. And where can everyone find everything you two have going on? Landry, you're coming up next. You can go to Tyler J. Cameron. You can go to Tada on a four-a-a-da. And then you can go to our substack where we really dive in, and that is. Sable Life by Tate and Tye. Sable Living.

Sable Living by Tate and Ty. All right. Well, thank you guys for being in this episode of Trayek Secrets. Yes, yes. All right. Ding, ding, ding. We are closing in the bell to the Tyler and Tate episode. This was a good one.

Of course, this was the one that we filmed in the Hamptons. What was beautiful about this one is so much was Evergreen so we could release it this week. And this has been a busy week, David. They had the Ryder Cup, a lot of action, moved into New York City. know you're back in hockey, you're traveling. So personally, it's been crazy. Professionally, it's been fun. And with Trading Secrets episode, Tyler and Tate always bring a good episode.

So what do you think? Yeah, they're always bringing the heat, you know, despite the business, despite the travel. We always make time for the ones and twos, not just for the people, but for us, always good seeing you, connecting with you, talking about our lives, catching up. And that's just what we're doing today. We're going to break down this Tyler and Tate episode. But first, how's the near? Is that the New York City House? Am I staring at it?

Are you in it right now? You're staring at. I'm in the second bedroom here. Two floors. Nice little area about eight, eight streets or so from Gramercy Park, about five streets from Washington State Park, whatever the hell it's called, Washington Square, I think. Washington Square, yeah. Washington Square.

I clearly got to get my New York City geography. Yeah, you go lingo down. I think I've gained about five pounds in five days, just eating just about everything. but I'm going to continue that trend for this entire. I mean, you name it. I'm just crushing. You love it. Saw the Chinese order last night.

That was. I will tell you this too. I have walked no joke between Ryder Cup yesterday. New York today just walking around. I've walked over 20 miles. Yeah. Yeah. There you go.

Is it every, now that you're there, I mean, we've been talking on this pod for probably at least over a year about you potentially moving, you know, or getting a place in New York City. now that it's real. Does it feel real? Are you happy you did it? Do you wish you did it sooner?

Do you think it's happening at the right time? I'm loving it. I mean, I'm like really, really enjoying being here. There's just so much going on. It's exciting. I just love the city. And like as far as opportunity goes, a ton of opportunity since, since just being here. Like I can tell you this. I'm trying to think as I'm talking to see if it makes sense. But there's been about, let's just call it close to about 10K and stuff that have come up just because it was like day of and I was here. Hey, we need you to go over there. Can you do this real quick? Here's a few to do it.

And I wouldn't have gotten if I wasn't. That's in like six, seven days. So, yeah, so far, business-wise, it's made a lot of sense. When you wake up and you go for a workout around here, it's just like you're just, there's so much energy. So you, the energy feeds into you. So, yeah, man, I'm loving it. It's been great so far.

And will you, will you try and get any kind of like podcast studio in the, in the, in the apartment, in the building at all? Or do you have a spot there that you'll continue to be able to do probably a lot more frequent podcast with guests that are in and out of New York City? Highly considering making this room right here, a podcast room. So this is a second, this is a second bedroom. But I don't know, we actually haven't thought that. Okay. Only five days in. So we'll see. But so far, man, so good. Enjoying it. It's great energy here. So far, I'm loving it. And before we get to the Tyler and Tate episode, you mentioned Ryder Cup. I'd be remissed if we didn't talk about it a little bit.

I feel like it's one of those pop-up things that happens. The Ryder Cup only happens every two years. It's something that nobody thinks about for a year in 11 and a half months. But when it's there, it seems like everybody's talking about it. Whether you're an avid sports fan or an average show, I feel like Ryder Cup is something that you're seeing. You're hearing. You went to it at Beth Bech Plaque in New York.

It's a bucket list item for me. I would love to go. I've been watching it nonstop. I've been reading about it on Twitter and things like that. Can you give me a first had experience, the good, the bad, and the ugly? How was it? Okay, the bad is the logistics, right?

I heard it's all-time nightmare, nightmare bad. Nightmare bad. Hour 45 getting in, two hours getting home. So that's for starters. Then the thing is, is you have to take a golf cart from where you were dropped off in the lot to the actual course. It's about a five-minute golf cart ride.

The problem is the lines for that golf cart ride are intense. Walking around Rider Cup is so much fun because it's Rider Cup. You have tons of Europeans, tons of Americans. The banter is nonstop, but it's very like everything I saw was very like fun and loving banter. Everyone was kind, like caring, but it's like funny. You know like hockey locker room banter where it's like, damn, that was witty and good. It was just witty and good. but it was quite hot and it's it's listen you got to really like golf to go to a golf live event

because you're running around like a herd of cattle trying to chase down the players to barely see anything when on tv you can see it a hundred times better so if you're going to an event like this one you want some kind of like if you can get like a really good ticket VIP tickets you have a home base that's one and then two you have to really really enjoy the love of the game if you don't love the game, you will not be happy as an attendee at Rider Cup because you can see everything else from the comfort of your family room so much easier. I mean, David, there was one. It reminded me a happy Gilmore. It's just like, it felt like a 10 foot stone. And then there was like a stepping stone that was like three months. And his dad and his two kids, like young kids,

were like doing an assembly line to stand on the 10 foot stone just so they can see. I mean, it's still that way. But 50,000 plus tickets sold. I saw some stuff online about like Uber's costing over $1,000 to get there. There are a ton of bets placed on the United States Europe Rider Cup, which we know the United States was heavily kind of coin flip favored, but are getting absolutely crushed, but it was a good experience. And for the viewers at home with you, if you did tune in and watch it, the commercials have been absurd.

I mean, people are not happy with the NBC family. Let's just say, put it lightly. Wait, why? about oh my Jason the amount of commercials I mean there's only eight balls being played the entire day and they're not showing every shot because they're cutting into commercial so frequently it is like absurd absolutely oh it's it's it's been it's been a pretty much a disaster if you're cheering if you're an american your team's getting their asses kicked your corporate company who's broadcasting it is absolutely taking advantage of the dollars and cents and not putting

the viewer first getting there logistically everything it's been it's been a bit a nightmare but it comes every two years and so you got to kind of celebrate it so i just wanted to touch on that in new york i was talking to a lot of like different americans that were there they're like because i was asking listen i'm a huge fan of golf but i'm i like a nerd that i know like everything no one person that is as well as adams like he knows everything about all everything and so i was asking what's that it's like me yeah okay i mean he could the captain of the team from like fucking 16 years ago walked by us and he almost like passed out. I know I mean, this guy literally looked like, you wouldn't have thought he was a captain of a writer ago. I was like, damn, okay.

Anyway, moving on. I asked him about it and he was saying, one, they take a ton of pride in it. He was telling me about how like Rory used to just be like, it's an exhibition. Last year he started crying and now it's like his, it's like his baby. And then he talked about the fact that like Americans will be hurt by this. Those golfers will go home like be up at night. And that he said the fact that's in New York. Like, this is the, like, biggest city in the country. Like, this is the spot. Like, losing in New York is different than losing in, like, somewhere else, I guess.

Yeah, it's like, it's like when the Yankees lose. It's different than when the Cincinnati Reds lose. Like, losing in New York is a big deal. Losing a Ryder Cup, which only happens every two years on home soil, it hasn't happened in 20 years. So to lose, just have a team lose on the road. And Rory did say in a conference, a press conference two years ago, he goes at the biggest feat that you can have in golf period it's not a major it's not a master's it's winning a rider cup on the road and that's what we're going to do in beth page in

two years and here he is like i mean he's getting like people are being pretty ruthless to him in the stands and like he's playing lights out golf and unless the the americans put up a bigger miracle the 1980 and then in the olympics when they beat the soviets uh i don't i don't think they're walking away winners on sunday we're recording this saturday night so yeah by the time this comes out i think we know that europe will have been crowned rider cup winner but overall i think Americans have almost two X the wins in Ryder Cup history. So still, no excuse for a poor showing. But it was a fun one. And shout out to Amazon and shopop shopop men that we did a partnership with Wells and Blake there to go. It was a, it was a great time. So here we are.

Love it. Loved the, love the sweater you were wearing, not for the, for the, maybe for how hot it was. But I did love the sweater. That was a nice one there. I know. I saw that sweater. I obviously got it on shop-op. It's Ralph Lauren R-A-Lex. It's like, you know, I mean, go check it out. Six. Got the bear golfing. But yeah, it was a little, little... You mean, a nice little accessory, though. You kind of tied it around. He had it around. It was good.

You know, you worked with it. It was good. Bad, not bad. Not bad. Now, listen, we could probably do a full episode here. Yeah. We got to talk about... We got to talk about Tyler and Taye, what did you do the episode? It was great. I mean, just to have Tate on there, I think the last time she was on, it was in more of a group setting. So to kind of isolate and have her on with Tyler.

It was really great. I mean, just the updates from Tyler, he's been on at least his third time on. But to hear the details of him with the Surhan Group, just a really, really interesting perspective on just how it's changed his business life. You know, Tyler, the thing about him, and I think you'd agree, like, he's with Surhand. Like he said, in the first week he had, you know, people coming up and asking for $10 million listings that he could sell to them because they're interested. And now, you know, combining with the power of the name. But I just love him. He's like, you know, I'll still sell a $700.

thousand house because that's me like that's what i take pride and i just think man is he going to crush it like he is just going to absolutely crush with sir hunt do you think it's a good business move for him you know what's your perspective on kind of where he's at i think it's a good business move for two reasons i think the branding of it is smart like you're connecting with ryan surhan that's big branding play you that have the chance to be on surhand shows which is big um having a real estate license in selling real estate when you are a general contractor like he is, is smart. In general, though, I will tell you, I think in the next one to three years, this is more of a branding play than it is Tyler actually being a real estate agent.

Like, he's too busy. He has too much going on. He's got, you know, different show opportunities and work opportunities. He's a general contractor. He is a non-for-profit. He invests in a lot. He does a lot of his own home rentos. Like, he's just too busy. busy to be like full-time, 80-hour real estate agent. I think it's more of a brand play. I think he'll do okay. I think he'll sell a couple homes, but I think it's a smart brand play. Love it. Love that perspective. I also loved his perspective on, um, about what his goals are with kind of some of these home rentals that he does. And it's not to buy and flip and sell. It's to buy and hold. And I just love

the perspective that he used is like, you know, when I bought your mom's house, I bought it for 90,000. And everyone, you know, how many times when I bought a chocolate bar, it used to be, it used to cost me a quarter, right? Like, you always hear about these kind of perspectives and for him to have that as a kind of a business perspective to be in a situation where we can build and flip and update and modernize these homes, but to hold them so that a $400,000 home is worth a million dollars or a million and a half or $2 million dollars. I just thought that was an interest perspective.

Maybe you're shaking over your head over there being like, no, flip and sell that bad boy, what's your take on it? No, you know, I think what I really like is I'm, and this has worked for me and against me, but I'm relatively debt-averse. It's not smart because to make money, you need to kind of leverage up. You need to use bank money to make more money, and I need to get a little more comfortable with that.

What I always appreciate about Tyler, so when I talk to business all the time, probably call each other at least once a week. And oftentimes, especially throughout the years, you know, where we'll talk openly about numbers. I know he's doing quite well, and he'll make comments like, I'm broke. I got nothing.

I'm like, what are you talking about? You're not shut the fuck. I'm broke. He's like, no, literally. he's taking like almost at least at the time we had that last conversation about it's like a lot of cash income and immediately deploying it towards investments which is so smart because in 20 years from now that portfolio is going to be massive so he might be cash light right now but that's because it's all invested in real estate and we know historically what happens with real estate it goes up

and he'll be in a really good position so you know we talk often on this show about people in the creator space unscripted space like what is it like when they're they get out of the show, how do they monetize, how do they brand? Tyler's a guy that has branded himself extremely well. He works his ass off. He invests his money extremely well. He never takes yesterday for granted and is always working harder for tomorrow. And what I like about our friendship is every time I'm with him, he kind of pushes me in a position to think greater, to think bigger. We do things very, very differently. Like he couldn't believe I didn't take the Netflix show with perfect matches. I was like, what are you doing? You're crazy for not doing that. So our, our

approaches are very different, but I just love his work ethic. And to have to have Tate now, sounding like she's under the rewired talent agency, very complimentary at that

for the work that you'd be able to help her do. She talked about making a joke when Tyler fired her. Now she's making Catruple now which she used to make with Tyler. So is she a little bit of a star in the making? I mean, I've obviously seen her on content. What was that word you just said right there?

She's making what? Codruple. What? Cudruple. Say it slower. Quadruple. Okay. Why?

What did it sound like? You like made a word up. Well, I tend to do that, but yeah, no. I love this. Listen, listen, I had a big win today and a couple celebratory pints. Okay. I'm in the hotel room. But quadruple is quadruple.

She's making four X. Sorry. Tongues are lazy. tongue's a little lazy yeah a little bit and the throat you know a little screaming on the bench this is my ADHD kicking in because I'm coming back to Tate because she is an absolute beast she's killing it yeah did

you find your like Bitcoin yet we're working on that we're working on five years we've deployed our our team member Mark Holster he talks a big game in the crypto industry if he can't help I'm yeah I think I'm done for

so I mean you said this two years ago like actually no no like you said Mark Holster is going to help you two years ago. No, that was two months ago. Okay. I didn't even know Mark Holster existed two years ago. Mark, get on it. You're listening, Mark. Get on this. Come on. I need I need it. I love it. But anyway, let's go back to it. I mean, I'm putting all my all my chips on tape. She's relatable. She's fun. She's smart. She's got great, great vision with like her art, her creative. She has great taste, great style. And I think most importantly, like all those things are real.

She's just fucking cool. Like I think majority of her following, there's probably like 95% women. And I think like the people that follow her like, I want to be like her. I want to be friends with her. Well, I just love her, um, their dynamic and their relationship because Tyler's a stud. He comes off the show. He's, you know, been, you know, him and Hannah Brown, the loved Hannah Brown. And like, that's an intimidating position for a girl to be in.

She alpha, like she's like, she's like, she's an alpha just like him. And she'll go in a room. She doesn't care. She's going to be yourself. Like she's, she just seems like a really infectious person. I've never met her before. But it seems that's,

you know, also how she comes across in her content. But it was so nice for her to kind of open up in this and talk about the imposter syndrome that she's had on social. There's an imposter syndrome that she's had in her interior design work. Even making some of the money that she's making through social. It was just really great to learn a little bit more about her and where she's at. And like you said,

I think her following is probably mostly. female from Tyler and just wanting to be invested in his love life. But I think she's she's keeping followers and retaining them because people want to just learn more about her and and be a part of her journey. And I want to say this. Like this is no shot to anyone that's been with Tyler that Tyler was dated in the past, right? But like I've seen all the different versions of Tyler, I've been friends with him since he got out Hannah Brown season. I've been, I was friends with him and had deep discussions with him when he was dating Gigi, you know, and then went through different girlfriends different situations different life chapters um celebrated new year's eve with him

when he was with christin canvallery a few years ago um this this this this tyler like the tyler that i've got to know with tate while dating tate is the best version of tyler i've ever seen and it complements exactly what you said about like her dynamic his dynamic they're great so well he's he's he's and he's he's he's and he's going to feel the same for you about your pasts he's been with you through that he's seen it he's helped you we're all going to feel that that that same way so um you know it was it was it's it's great that you're able to connect with someone like that on that level it's great to add um someone to his life to your life um that adds joy and happiness and it's people helping

people is what it really sounds like when it comes down to it so you know overall it's great to see them successful um you heard it here first on trading secrets she said i'd marry you in a second. That was cute. Clip that, put it on. Tyler, figure it out. And that's it. That's all I got right there.

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They helped me out with social media strategy. They give me some advice. David loves to throw. throw his little chirps out there and compliments by the way he's a two-way street but then we talked a little bit about social media strategy so i think david we table this for next week i would love to table it for next week i'll throw us through a few more chirps in there before we get there but i think people will be on my side but we'll find out we'll find out that's what the beauty of this podcast voice of the viewer that's up for debate with the money mafia give us five stars get ready for

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