Trading Secrets - 259. Harry Jowsey: From reality TV to scripted, how Netflix powerhouse has expanded his career on screen, continuing to redefine the rules, and the core values that keep him grounded

Episode Date: October 20, 2025

This week, Jason is joined by one of the fast rising stars in Netflix’s global reality universe, Harry Jowsey! After first breaking onto the scene with Netflix unscripted TV, Harry has become one of the faces of the platform with his own show “Let’s Marry Harry” premiering in 2026. He was the centerpiece of Netflix’s summer breakout event earlier this year where the streamer spotlighted him as one of its breakout stars. However, Harry’s career goes further beyond reality TV as he breaks into acting with starring roles in Netflix’s upcoming “The Wrong Paris” and “Billy Knight” where he will be opposite Al Pacino, and the horror indie film Horrified. He is also an entrepreneur launching PASH, a sustainable brand with a philanthropic mission inspired by his personal experience. Harry Jowsey is back — and this time, he’s peeling back the curtain on what’s changed since his last appearance in 2021. From the unique path he’s carved in television to the downside of being “too good” in the industry, Harry gets candid about how he’s grown, what he’s learned, and how he’s navigating the highs and lows of fame. He opens up about dealing with online hate and turning it into a lesson, the realities of living and working in LA’s film industry, and why redefining what it means to “take a break” has been a game changer. Harry also dives into the making of Let’s Marry Harry, the likelihood of a proposal, his personal goal to read daily, and where he’s making the most money right now. Plus, Harry weighs in on the current state of reality TV vs. scripted work, the shows he passed on (and may regret), his experience working as an actor, joining the Unwell network with Alex Cooper, his desire to work on projects that simply make people feel good, and his unfiltered take on today’s social media landscape. Harry reveals all this and so much more in another episode you can’t afford to miss! Host: Jason Tartick Co-Host: David Arduin Audio: John Gurney Guest: Harry Jowsey Stay connected with the Trading Secrets Podcast!  Instagram: @tradingsecretspodcast  Youtube: Trading Secrets Facebook: Join the Group  All Access: Free 30-Day Trial  Trading Secrets Steals & Deals! Functional Health: Quince: Layer up this fall with pieces that feel as good as they look. Go to Quince.com/tradingsecrets for free shipping on your order and 365-day returns. Now available in Canada, too. OneSkin: OneSkin is changing how we age by focusing on skin and scalp health at the cellular level. Powered by their patented OS-01 Peptide ™, every formula is designed to keep skin healthier, stronger, and more resilient over time. For a limited time, try OneSkin with 15% off using code TRADINGSECRETS at oneskin.co Booking.com: If your vacation rental isn't listed on Booking.com, it could be invisible to millions of travelers searching the platform. Don't miss out on consistent bookings and global reach. Head over to Booking.com and start your listing today. Get Seen. Get Booked on Booking.com YouTube Title: Needs to be 100 characters or less  | Trading Secrets w/ Jason Tartick

Welcome back to another episode of Trading Secrets today. We are joined by one of the fastest rising stars in Netflix global reality universe, Harry Jousie. After you like that, I give you the radio voice at all, baby. after first breaking onto the scene with Netflix unscripted TV, Harry's become one of the faces of the platform with his own show coming out. Let's Mary Harry premiering in 2026.

I love that you're laughing. He was the centerpiece of Netflix summer breakout event earlier this year where the streamer spotlighted him as one of its breakout stars. I was actually there. You were crushing. I mean, you actually had the streamer on you. But Harry's career goes further beyond reality TV.

He's breaking into acting with starring in roles in Netflix, upcoming The Wrong Paris and Billy Knight opposite Al Pacino, that's pretty badass, as well as the indie horror film Horrified, which he had a sex scene. We'll talk about it. He's also an entrepreneur launching P-A-S-H-Pesh, a sustainable brand with philanthropic mission inspired by his personal experience. Dude, we got so much to uncover. You were back on this show in 2021. I just did a very, very short summary of what you've done since 2021. The list is endless. Thank you for being back now.

Thank you for having me. This is crazy. This is crazy. It's crazy. So I kind of gave you this sneak peek before we started, but I said I got to go down the road. I got to go back to 2021. Dude, I was listening to the clips of our podcast. I was cackling. I was cackling. I want to give you some of the recap. We talked a little bit about the fact that you would wake up and you would submit hundreds of applications. You would lie on resumes. You didn't care what it took, but you knew you were bored for reality TV. It talked about the fact that you would submit. you'd use different names. You'd even send Dick Picks a year and a half ago at that time.

This was fall 2021. You said you had $3,000 in your bank account, but your goal was to be a millionaire by 23. You also said in the next upcoming years, you wanted to find a way. You said, I talked to Logan Paul, and I need to find a way to make $10 million a year. That's crazy.

We talked about OnlyFans. I said, I heard rumors that you broke $500K. You laughed at me. You said, 500K. Dude, I broke a million. I mean, the list was endless. That was 2021. one, when I say these things, like, what are you thinking about that and where you are today?

It's me itchy. I mean, it's crazy. But the thing is, I think with that stuff, is like, to dream bigger, and that was, I guess that was the only thing I saw in my line of sight at that time. Like, one of my friends was telling me there's, like, infinite realities going on, right? And I think now, like, maybe that thought process has developed a little bit more, like, you can tap into your reality where you're a billionaire, or your reality where you're a homeless person, or, like, there's literally infinite realities of your life.

And I think, like, me trying to be in that thing, like, oh, I'm going to, like, the only fans and I'm going to make $10 million a year or do this stuff. Like, I think I was just so short-sighted when now I'm like, okay, that's very premature of where I think now, which is, like, awesome, which is great. But, yeah, it's just crazy to think, like, also how nuts I was. I remember when I was on that.

And I was in my apartment. It was $15,000 a month. It was way too expensive. I thought I was the man, like, the king of the world, like buying all these watches, doing all this stuff. It was ridiculous. a crazy time. What? Like, so you're paying 15K a month then and like, like, were you making good amount of money like that? Yeah, I was chilling. It was fine, but it was also like, there's no

need to do that. Interesting. So think about how much you've learned in four years. Do you think I always talk about when you look at spending, it connects to like maybe behavioral patterns or growth or like areas of your life. Do you think there was some kind of like insecurity with like identity or something that created that? Or do you think it was, yeah, like, well, how would you, how to speak to that? I think when you're, and you get it as well, like when you come in the space really quickly and really rapidly and there's always eyeballs on you, you have to justify or like validate that you're moving forward. Yeah, I need a new watch, new trophy, like I need a new car or I need to be in the fancy place where all the fancy people are. Like there's always, there was always this constant like trying to validate my success instead of being so afraid to be irrelevant, so afraid to like fall off, whatever else. Now I'm understanding that there's an ebb and flow of this stuff.

Like you have to go quiet for a little bit and be missed to come back and be like really appreciated. And I look at all like the big actors that I really want to be like and they'll disappear offline for like six, eight months. And then they'll have a movie come out. And then they're everywhere. I'm like, oh, that's kind of how it has to go. It has to be an Evan Flohrows. Whereas back then I'm like, I'll do anything to have people talking about me. Interesting.

You talked a little bit about like short-sightedness versus your long-term plan now. Tell us a little bit more about like the strategy, the business mind. We know you got so much going on now. We'll talk about that. But what is short-sightedness and then what does long-term look like now? What are the differences? I think the short-sightedness for me was being focused on the dollar amount, like X amount this year and then only thinking of like only fans, this, that, whatever else.

Whereas like now it's, okay, we've got Mary Harry coming up. Yeah. What I'm going to be hot for a minute. But like what I've been telling my friends is how many seeds can I plant this year? Yeah. So that they're going to blossom the next year and the year after. Whereas before I was only thinking of like the next three months, next six months, like how can I get to this figure quickly just to say I could do it?

Whereas like now it's, well, I want to be here forever. So how do I start planting as many seeds as possible? Because shows take forever to come out. Sure. And especially if you create an idea, that takes so long. And then the budgeting and then the scouting the places where you need to do it. Like there's so much stuff involved in this. So I've just, now it's like being more focused on what's going to happen in the next three years

or the next four years instead of I want to be an influencer and pop my bussy on only fans. Yeah, I got it. I love it. One of the things I think about you is like,

and I've talked about this with other people in reality and people from The Bachelor like your names come up. And our biggest thing is like in the Bachelor world, right? Like in a lot of other shows, you move left the wrong way

and you are getting killed. It's like you're done, you're out, the fans are just killing you. And we're like, or you have one bad breakup, or you said one wrong thing on TV or whatever, and it's like, we just get buried.

We're like, there's something special about Harry Jousie that he just redefined the rules. There are no, like, one of the rules, we've had actors on, comedians, billionaires on this podcast, one of the rules that we've heard about in entertainment is like, it is extremely hard to go from reality to scripted, and if you go into scripted and you go to reality, it's extremely hard to go back to scripted.

But here, Harry Jousy is redefining rules. You're about to get married on TV, and then you're killing it in the scripted game when people say this like I say it out loud like you can kind of write your own rules and do what you want no matter how many mistakes you make what's your take like what do you think

when you think about that as far as like your career in those comments you know what's crazy is I read Kevin Hart's book and he was like his mission was to get so big that nobody could say no to him and I'm like that's the best mentality because if I was like when I started

doing reality TV people like oh you could act you can never do stuff and I'm like okay like they'll never take you serious I'm like well I don't take myself serious anyway so we're good we're already chilling I think that it just like people who can't do it are afraid like people like oh but also the problem is as well like when you're too good like the bachelor you guys are too crispy clean like too polished you're too polished you're too good of a human yeah I suck like I can only come up if you guys slip up or say one wrong thing you're fucked like they're gonna come crash it like i knew he was a bad guy i knew this i knew that i'm already i'm already the rock bottom yeah

like i'm gonna only go off like that's why i'm chilling like i see so many influences like when it's like the most minor thing like there's this one tic-tock i saw over this girl i know she was getting in trouble because people thought she had hair extensions and she was getting destroyed online people like because her whole thing is about having good hair yeah and i just thought that's the funniest thing ever like people are angry because they think you have have hair extensions? Yeah. Like,

that's crazy. That's what happens when you're too good, such a good person. That's interesting. Be a shitty person. There's, well, I don't even think.

And life's good. I think it's hilarious. But I think, I think, like, what you're saying in other words, too, are like, when you are true

to your authentic self, the expectation is that you are your authentic self. And I think what happens on social media and especially reality and maybe Bachelor is people create

this inauthentic version of who they are. Therefore, they build an expectation of what they represent. And then the second they become actually who they are, they get blasted. And it feels like a lot of your success,

so if you look at 2021 to now, is derived from the fact that like, you are always, you're sitting here right now and you're still, if you got an awesome PR company behind you shout out of line, PR, they are the best in the business, and you're still authentically yourself no matter what, and I think that's kind of your special sauce.

A question I got for you because people that listen to this are entrepreneurs and they're trying to navigate the life of world, in all directions. Hate is a big thing. Online criticism is a big thing. Social media has brought that to levels we never expected. Are you not phased by some of the pushback, some of the negative, some of the things that have tried to derail you, and how do you deal with it? I think that I'd be lying if I was like, oh, it didn't. Sometimes it doesn't affect me. But the more hate you get, the more you get better dealing with it, it's so good.

Yeah. Like that's the only attitude I can have is like if I do something wrong and I make a mistake and I get a ton of hate and people get mad at me about that. Well, I know now I'm a better off person because I won't make that mistake again. The goal isn't to make the mistakes, but when I get all this hate

or people moving, even if they're mad about something that doesn't even matter, then it's better for me because I'm like, okay, well, you're just being a silly sausage and I don't really care. And I also understand hate never comes from above.

Like, does that make sense? Yeah. Like, no one who's doing better than you is going to hate them and punch down. And also, when you're so focused When you're in your own lane, there's no traffic, right? So if you're focused on my lane and you're getting angry at me, you're behind me. Get in your own lane and focus on your own shit.

So that's why I just think about, like, again, no one who's better than me is hating on me, if that makes sense. It's always people that are just angry and bored at home and a grumpy little gremlins. And then, so yeah, I don't know. It's just, that's how I think about it is like, it's obviously it sucks. No one wants to get hate. but it makes me a better off person because I care less and I'm like well I feel sorry for you if you're looking for a trading secret when it comes to skin care I have your answer it is

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It's like you kind of saw the vision, the writing on the wall before it became. Like, you back in the podcast in 2021, talking about rifling hundreds of applications to get on. You saw something with that. But then now you've become the guy. Like, you're the guy at Netflix and the reality universe is, like, blowing up. How did you, like, what are some, talk to me just about, like, strategy tactics, things you think you did to develop your brand and, like, even internally or externally for Netflix. to be like we just need you in the mix it doesn't matter it could be any show we need you in the mix and now we're going to build our own show around you how'd you do it i think the problem with reality

tv and the people that go on it is we got given a crazy opportunity so everyone kind of sits and expects more stuff to come yeah whereas like with netflix i would think of an idea even if it's stupid just to force a meeting just to be in front of them and then they're like okay cool like this guy won't leave us alone like maybe we should do something whatever else but at least you're always front of mind what would you say in front like so you got the meeting with netflix like what was your pitch what were your things i would just come up with ideas like and you can do it now with like chat gbt so it's like obviously super easy to think of some shitty ideas but just to have like i'm already in the network this is before right i'm already in their ecosystem they're like we love

him whatever else how do i get in front of them because i know they're doing shows every week there's so much stuff going on oh i've got a really cool idea that i'd love to like pitch you guys and just come hang out and then you get to meet everyone in that department you get to walk around whatever else i just think i got lucky because i made so many like real legitimate friends there that what what i realized with l.a is people only want to work with their friends and people that they love right like a lot of the people in these movies and stuff they'll just cast their friends because like i know they're reliable i know they're going to show up sure and i know like we're going to have a great time at work and it's going to be cool i think i just got lucky

because everyone at that company is like a really good friend now because we've been going on it for so many years. I also think the best advice I got from one of my people in the industry was that you kind of have to be like the girlfriend that got away in high school. Right. So when I was, when I first did toward the handle, I started sitting there kind of expecting, as we do, expecting that I was going to get another show, whatever else. And then I was like, why is like, no one, what are we doing? Like, I'm sitting in my hands. Like, what's happening? And then they said, well, you got to kind of be like, you got to show us what we're missing. And I'm like, okay, fair and then i started thinking all right well i got to be bigger than netflix which is impossible

but how do i go on a different network and how to be seen by different stuff and i think because i did so much other stuff that it's made me have a bigger audience than just netflix or people that are on different networks if this makes any sense at all it does i think you're one of the things i've seen a theme with now is you sometimes got to be like the girlfriend that got away yeah that connects to what you said just about like 10 minutes ago when you talked about you don't always have to be relevant in the spotlight you sometimes can take a break and then come back that's what the movie stars do going back to that comment like when you say you take a break like what does that look like are you taking like three months off social media are you not doing one interview what does that look like i think it just

means turning down like before the break would be having a month of social media okay and whatever else now it's like turning down like the maybe the show or an opportunity that doesn't feel right that's fitting and then also understanding that so now like we've got mary harry coming up i don't need to be like the last thing i need to be doing is going crazy on social media and trying to get people to talk about me i shouldn't be doing that right now i'm about to have the biggest opportunity in my life yeah so just to like kind of pump the brakes and stay out of the drama for a little bit and then once the show's coming up i think it's it helps when you have stuff that you know it's going to happen and come forward yeah so that you can kind of pump the brakes and be a little bit more

scarce but i think that's i know i'm very in a very privileged position to be able to slow things down what i want uh let's marry harry i think that's it's such a cool thing yeah talk to me a little bit about how that came together obviously like there's there are fans of the show here that watch the bachelor sounds like kind of like a similar premise maybe a little competition of the show talking about Fuck the bachelor. Yeah, there you got. Your PR team is sweating over there. All right.

You put them to work. But like, how did it come about? You know it's crazy? I was manifesting being The Bachelor. I would lie about it. Oh, you would put, I remember you would create fake posts. Yes.

You remember before AI would do it for you, you would like edit it and put your name as the Bachelor. Yeah, I was on Fiverr and I'd make a fake master. And that's crazy because you're like, oh, you should legitimately manifest that. It's really the most bizarre thing because I was always like, I really want to be The Bachelor, and I had offers to do... Did the Bachelor ever reach out to you?

Hated me. Interesting. Yeah, I get... Okay. Even I had Joey Grasaday on my show. Yeah. And I was like... He was like, look, it would be must-see TV if you were ever The Bachelor, whatever else.

I'm like, well, I feel like it would be epic, but this is the best, the biggest and most amazing opportunity I could have ever asked for. Yeah. Then when I get to find my person and how the show works is really special. But now I feel like I can kind of recreate The Bachelor, right? pretty cool on the biggest streaming platform ever so i really got really lucky so hopefully it has an impact like the bachelor does and can kind of follow in you guys footsteps but did you go to them or did they come to you came to me okay yeah so i'm very lucky that i get to work with like

alex cooper and matt kaplan who are two of my favorite people and the it's it's so special everyone that's in this show is anytime i meet like more and more people the producers and stuff everyone is just so excited and full of love for their show and like one of like the casting team I know she's cast a few of the bachelors and had a massive success with them finding their wives and the head of Netflix casting

he's like one of my best friends on the planet so he's like being mindful of like if it's the right girl they're gonna have to hang out with us like yeah so it's really like feels like a big family project which is really exciting when do you start filming it next couple months Okay, the next couple months.

That's an interesting lead time. The reason I ask about lead time is they're casting directors. You said on another show or interview that you're going to propose, right? I already bought a ring. You already bought a ring. Yeah, no one knows. How's it compared to Taylor Swift? You know what?

It's going to be something. Can you share where you bought it from or is that a lot? Okay. Can you share how big it is? It's great. It's going to be good. Is it a paper ring? like a Taylor Swift in you went though.

It's a real ring, but it's also, I'm not going to spoil it, but it's a good ring. Give me the odds, what are the chances the likelihood that you propose? Eight out of ten. Is that a good odds? 80%. So it's high likelihood.

Okay, that's, I cannot wait to watch this, but one thing I was going to say is with the Bachelor franchise, first of all, let's commend you. Netflix coming to you with this stuff. That's so cool. It's crazy. You earned that. You earned that, and I'm serious.

And that's badass. And you got a ring, which is so cool. typically I could speak to my experience of what I know in the show and all the people that we've talked about is you go really quick into filming I had Rachel Recky on you yesterday I don't know if it's come out before or after this one

but she had talked about that like on live TV that moment that second she found out she was picked they went into filming on her way to filming she had to like call her employer and be like hey I this happened and they were like we got you we saw it go the two month lead time

leads to something that's kind of interesting, especially when you know you want to get married, and you have the network you do, are you casting for yourself? Like, are you out there casting for yourself? Can you at all talk about, and you don't know, but do you think there might be a combination of like reality stars? I don't actually, you know what? I don't think so. I don't know, because everyone who's been cast has signed up, I guess.

I don't know if the castings down or whatever else. All they said is a lot of people signed up. And I'm like, okay, that's really scary. Because I went into Netflix and I was like, hey, because they've been like a hundred people signed up. They're like thousands of people who signed up, which has made me feel so flattered. Yeah. So flattered that all these people either want to sign up or be on a Netflix show, which is equally

is cool, I love it. I guess. But I kind of told them, I don't want anyone in the space. I don't want anyone that's in the Netflix universe. Interesting. Like, we had some big meetings about like what would make a good. partner and the best thing is all my people that I care about the most in my life are coming on to help pick the person because they've seen me be sad they've seen me be happy they've seen me like

this is my perfect person they've heard it all from start to finish and know what I need in a wife I just think that because it's such a big family project everyone has got the same goal and everyone will know immediately fingers crossed yeah who it is so I've kind of just said don't tell me anything I don't want to know I'm going to figure it out when I get there and I trust I trust all these people in my life so fingers crossed the other thing too is like one of the struggles is once you finish filming especially for you oh dude it's gonna be fuck it's gonna be good you got you're gonna have like let's just say filming reps in november it doesn't air till the 2026 at some point like you're gonna have to keep you're have to lay low man that's gonna be

your time you pull back and stay up social to me because if anybody sees you with the person that's gonna leak so think about it no i've already go to a house found in australia that we're gonna hide up you wow you're prepared man brother you have no you have no idea of this shit I've been doing. Wow. I've read, I just finished this book called He's Scared, She's Scared, which is about commitment-phobic people to see if I had any of the stuff going on. Okay. In the middle of people who walk on eggshells to learn about personality disorders and stuff, just in case. Yeah. Like in case I've got something wrong with me. But like, just to learn more about like relationship stuff, there's literally every day I'm trying to finish

a book. Damn. I'm now in like Joe Dispenter's book about Dispenter's book about visualizing and like thinking bigger. And I'm starting to meditate. because I'm like really want to get like I really want to this is like intentful like the only reason why I taught the handle work so well for me yeah is because I was laying in bed in a meditative state every night before I went on thinking about like this is the person I want to have and kind of this is what I want to get out of this and all the stuff like really manifesting and feeling that I've already done it wow and all these other shows I've done before this point I haven't really prepared I've just been like okay cool I'm going to drink

and have fun this one because I know there's so many people that are putting sweat tears love money tons of money into this i'm like if i if and and also the the amount of people that are doubting that i'm ready like it's actually insane how many people do not think i'm ready so i'm like well do i think i'm ready i'm going to make myself ready i'm going to do all the work to make sure that i'm ready to rock like i've still been seeing my therapist more now than ever to figure out what has happened in my childhood that it potentially makes me pull away or not like the biggest thing I realize is I'm not good at being direct at all when it comes to relationships. If I feel some type of way about something, I'll dance around it so I don't

upset people. That's the walking on eggshells, right? Yeah. Yeah. So there's like so much stuff that I, like this is the first time I've ever, every single day, like making sure that I'm doing the work so by the time it comes down and shit has to go down. Dude, that's beautiful. I think people are going to hear that. They're going to be so excited for you because I'm telling you, I don't know who I'm looking at, but there's not the hair. Jerry Jousy from 2021. Guys, I'm lying. I'll tell you, because he's foolish shit.

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independent brand deals. And do you do something like this for the check? Do you negotiate? Is it something that is more of a brand play? Walk me through that. I think when it comes to Netflix, the biggest opportunity and the way you make the most amount of money is after the show. Thankfully, this is the most have ever been paid for a show and I'm really like appreciative of that and they're being over generous. Yeah. With what the, I guess we've also been working together for a long time and I've taken a few hits on other shows where I'm like, I've lost money on this but also I just love what I

could, there was a point where I'm like, what do you mean you've lost money? How would you lose before a show? say I spend more in my wardrobe or take or not being present for deals or whatever else like oh I see there could be a month where there's like 200k in brand deals can't do it because I'm filming this show which again is the opportunity cost but it's also like there it keeps the things moving forward yeah in the future but I think that we've been in a really good position like back when you saw me I was not brand safe at all yeah like brands didn't really fuck with me I also didn't know the value in having potentially like a respected voice or being able to say something

and people be like, oh, cool, I want to try that. Or I like this person, so I'm going to support them and what they do. So now I think we're in a way better position to get bigger brand deals. We've got some good ones. Are you making more off independent brand deals or reality TV when you look at like independent brand deals for sure? Okay, by a long shot. After this show, maybe.

No, I think, yeah, still make more money from brand deals and stuff, but obviously I couldn't get the brand deals without the show. So even on this show, I would have paid Netflix to have me on because the more than I'm ready to get married. But number two, I just love working with them and they're the best. Like, I don't want to go anywhere else. Yeah. Unless. Unless it's it. You never know.

All right. We're going to get into acting because it is wild to do reality TV and acting. I do want to get like, you are a massive reality TV star. There's so much happening in the business space of reality TV. You got Love Island that is blowing up at levels we've never seen. 18, 20 billion minutes streamed off a TV show. You have kind of the Bachelor franchise pulling back a little bit, trying to make their splash.

Netflix has some unbelievable shows, like Love is Blind, all these things. Reality TV is now a market that is, I don't know if I want to use the word oversaturated, but let's call it much more saturated than it was when you were in the game in 2020, 21 early on what's like your state of the union of reality TV what do you think about it where do you think it's going to go like what's the what's the business hat of harry jowsey thinking about when you think reality tv now i think that reality tv is so drama driven like the love island the reason why this season was so good is the amount of drama like i like i first time i ever watched love island was this season and i watched like the reunion the whole way through because i'm

like oh i wonder what drama is going to come out of it I think it's some, like the pendulum is obviously going to swing back the other way, whether people are going to be like, okay, like this is too crazy and too much in our household and too much anxiety all the time. I think for me as a talent on these shows, my goal has been, like I can't be a grown-ass man and having a screaming matches every night on these shows, right? So that's why they're moving over to like the scripted stuff where it's like the shelf life's a lot better and it's a lot more playful.

or so those sets are way more fun because everyone has the same mission and the same goal so everyone when you're on this movie set compared to reality set like reality set the camera guys aren't really talking to you like they kind of want you to be in that bubble in that atmosphere whereas on a movie set everyone's like oh so excited

because they've all read the script they're all excited they're all excited they know what we're doing today and they're long hours and everyone's hustling and getting stuff done so I think when it comes to reality TV we're in such a great point right now Like everything is awesome, everything's up and coming, everything's gone crazy. But I think that pendulum will swing the other way.

Yeah, I think it's a good point on scripted. It's also, I've never heard that perspective. Reality TV, there's always such a battle between what individual cast member is trying to achieve, what production needs, and then what high-level executives needs. And a lot of those things all don't align. And it's interesting to hear on scripted, like, we are all here from producers to handlers to actors and actresses to make the best possible show we can make. Period. End of story. Common goal. That's a fascinating thing. How do you get? How do you make

the jump from reality TV to script it? Did you go to acting classes? Did you talk to the right agents? What did the career navigation look like? Dude, it just came down to starting and getting obsessed with it. Like doing auditions or studying? No, so I started with a coach. Kimberly Bigsby, she was my first ever coach. We love her. She's the best. She just started doing like Zoom calls with me and teaching me how to go through self-recommend. books, whatever else. And then, and it's so, bro, it's so weird, like to play and to be a big kid. It's the weirdest thing ever, but it's so much fun. Is that an exercise they do? Like, put yourself as a kid? No, because you have to, no, just in general, because you have to

imagine, right? You have to use your imagination. When was the last time you, like, pretended to do something? Exactly. You don't pretend ever. So, like, it's so, is that an exercise they would do, like, pretend to do this? No, no, it was just, it was just my observation of, like, how I would feel when I'm doing it. Gotcha. And then I would tell her like, hey, Kimberly, like, I feel a little bit weird. And she's like, that's okay. Like, it's fine to, like, be creative and use your imagination again and, like,

to feel strange about it because you're in your, like, living room pretending that you're getting shot in the arm and, like, ah, like this. Yeah. And then you have to, like, get out of your head about it. So I thought that was, like, the most interesting thing. But I started doing, I've done hundreds of auditions, hundreds, like, so many. But I think the thing is, is just getting. Matthew McConaughey's book

is really good because he was like in his book he said it's just business it's not personal everyone's going to say no and that's what once I realize is like I should just get obsessed with doing this stuff and like having fun and learning an American accent learning how to play learning how to do

what you do an American accent? Yeah but not on you got to like go in the zone yeah yeah yeah I got like read the words yeah I get way too nervous but doing that and then I think just becoming obsessed with what you're doing is really exciting and then the business aspect of that is so much more exciting because you get to you're being judged on a reality TV show as a version of yourself or a played up version of

yourself when you're doing these movies and other stuff like people are going to judge a character and you get to talk about yourself in like third person as that character which is way better than like oh harry watch this clip back why did you kiss that girl yeah like sure it's cool and it got me here and it's really exciting but the shelf life and the family dynamic of a movie set so much more fun interesting to hear the business you said kiss a girl on reality tv but you said before the show you had to actually kiss a girl on horrified yes so you have a sex scene on horrified tell me about before we get into that tell me about like what is it like auditioning for like the audition process how many steps is it for something like a show like an indie film like horrified

indie film i was good because i was an offer only so they came to me which is that's so cool lucky so so sometimes you don't have to audition yeah no sometimes you just take a hike with with the right guy and he's like oh i know what they're doing wow or you take or you have a lunch with a friend because you never know like this is the best thing about la is it could be in an uber and the driver could be casting for a film that next few years like you don't know who's going to be doing something cool so that's why i just like love everyone because everyone's great and on their own journey yeah but the yeah the Netflix one was offer only And then Billy Knight was a one, not offer only, is that crazy to say it off a long path?

Yeah, the wrong Paris was a straight up offer, but Billy Knight I had to audition for that. But it's usually like you do the audition, if potential table read, whatever else, but I got a call right away. When it comes to my health, here's my motto. The more information I can get, the better. The more insight I can give, the more I can do for my body. And routine physicals often skip so many. of the parts and information that could be helpful for you. That's why I use function.

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Just essentially going through the script with everyone in the room to feel the vibe, see if the energy's there, to kind of play a little bit to see if it all gelss and makes sense. And a lot of the time, like some people don't make it back from a table read. They're just like, all right, we need to try someone else to see if there's chemistry there. Because a lot of that, like, energy kind of reads. Yeah, yeah. I love it. All right, with Horrified, you got to ask, it's a question we would never know.

how challenging how weird what are some behind the scenes trading scenes or wouldn't know about actually being in the career of an actor and having to film a sex scene what is something that people wouldn't know about that and when can they watch Horrified I wish I'd actually don't know I know they just

I know we're doing our rap party this weekend which is kind of fun okay soon yeah soon I think it's gonna come out pretty quick because they were moving pretty quick on it okay but with a love scene like that it's very weird because there's like 30 or 40 people there like interesting and we had it because it was any film had to rush because of the budget as well

like had to be down by midnight so it's like first ever sexy they're rushing me i'm freaking out i don't know what to do yeah like luckily like my my dance partner in the scene was she's done it before and she was awesome like she was really because i was nervous i'm like this is crazy of course like i don't want to do the wrong thing i also like don't want to put my hand in the wrong spot sure I don't want yeah anyone to feel uncomfortable and it was just so far and then smoking on a fake cigarette was also weird because it was like fake herbs and tastes like a cigarette but didn't have any tobacco in it yeah very very like interesting and like not what you would think because like the sex scenes what they also explained to me is like they're not really hot

at all because there's so many people watching and then you have to cut take from this angle and you're saying they're like no shirt on like what do yeah but I've also had real sex on TV so I'm like Yeah, there's nothing. I like that. Yeah, we're fine. This is cake. All right, how different we talk money on this podcast, too, of course, you know, how different are the pay structures between reality TV and scripted TV?

I think scripted. It's not good. Really? Well, I think, well, once you get paid it significantly less than reality? Yeah, for sure. Oh, I think it depends. It really, all this stuff depends, right? It's all the scale.

I think, obviously, like, indie films and stuff, people aren't really getting paid too much. Okay. reality TV like if you do dance with stars all these other shows you're going to get paid a great amount of money everything's good but as you're like working your way up I think that a lot of people need to like I think people freak out um about not making a ton of money off the of the jump like I don't want to first to the show without even having any followers or anything it was like $250 a week wow it's like you're just doing it for the love of the game sure and then you get then you get like if you're in the system long enough then you start to make the the real money and everything's

like really cool so I feel like with the scripted stuff I kind of I'm starting from scratch. Like, I go to southern ground up. It's so cool that you're doing scripted for Netflix. Insighting. And leading unscripted for Netflix. Same. With the wrong Paris and Billy Knight.

And then you're alongside Al Pacino. I mean, like, that is, that's unheard of. Tell us some stuff behind the scenes about these, this career track and the wrong Paris and Billy Knight and being opposite Al Pacino that, like, we just wouldn't know unless we heard from you. So the, the crazy. thing about the wrong Paris is it's a fake bachelor show yeah yeah do you know that now so it's essentially

and they might cook me for this but it's like when I read the script I'm like oh this is the bachelor yeah but like a play on the bachelor and I thought it was kind of hilarious because we did I don't know at that time but that was when let's marry Harry was kind of being developed and like thought about okay as well as something it's kind

of funny that I'm on a fake that you show that I'm about to go do kind of checks fits yeah dude and it was epic we filmed only had a couple of days on set for the wrong Paris but we were in Vancouver Pearson and Miranda the best people one of my friends Hannah was on set like everyone was awesome and again it's the same thing like everyone is like we'd all be chilling at the back like just feels like a bunch of big kids yeah having a good time and then you get this like and that's the best

thing about the script of stuff is you get to learn so much like why is the sound guy doing that or why is the lighting guy doing this so then what I did have you ever done ADR where you have to go into a booth and like voice over something not i've only had to do like when i wrote my book in you to like right re go into a booth and read your book back but yeah so like that's it but like what is a d r stuff i don't even yeah audio driving something over oh yeah but do you know what aides that's not we don't know but it's something with audio yeah but like watching watching the movie and then having to go oh yeah so weird so like doing that it's like so it's so opposite of what's so natural with unscripted which is just being you yeah you get to have fun yeah you

You get to, like, rip it. Yeah. Do you have any information on when those shows are coming out, those movies? I know the wrong Paris is out, and then, I don't know about the other two. Okay, more to come on that. We'll stay tuned on your socials. Talk to me about the podcast. I mean, under Alex Cooper on Well Network, it's how is it going?

How has it been? Is it what you expected financially and professionally? I think it's been, we're getting in like a really good rhythm. Like, we're having really cool people come on. Yeah. It's, you know how it is. It's really hard to, like, sit down and prepare. and like get excited about someone

maybe you don't know it too much about sure when like I don't think I'm very good at like reading the questions like you're really good at it and like keeping the structure yeah I feel like I'm more just like fuck it let's just like talk about whatever like tell me so now I was a real life motto is like fuck it but it works yeah let's figure it out but it works it works yeah no I think now and it's kind of crazy

if I do research or my guess I get way more excited yeah yeah yeah about them going to be like because i used to just walk in and like read the cards and be like all right cool we're going to have fun yeah this is cool but now i'm like i should probably put a little bit more love and energy into this and it's being going really well people seem to like it i think we are going to restructure a little bit and have it more playful like a little bit more me yeah because even you know what's crazy is like i don't want to have this serious like why did he cheat on you why did you do this like i don't think i don't think i don't feel like you yeah yeah yeah i'm not the guy

to break that news no i agree with that and it's it's tough so i just i think it's like now it's the goal is to have more playful fun sit down like great silly conversations okay i don't know if i can be serious gotcha is alex very involved with like the creative and stuff of all this stuff she's actually insane really she's so hands-on with every show that she does wow like and that's the thing you don't have to yeah you're the richest person in life you've done it all you've done it yeah you've put us all under your wing you help guiding us she's on every single zoom call she's like going through the merch designs like this this last thing where we're like oh we're going to have a restructure she's leading the the meeting

i'm like Alex like what are we like you are chilling yeah you're all good you don't worry about little old me yeah but she just loves this so much that she's so passionate and this is my read on Alex I think Alex's goal is to have someone under her or someone at the online network become bigger and better than what she's ever done because she's very selfless interesting very excited about other people winning like when it came to like let's marry Harry I remember I was getting calls like she's so pumped so excited to do this like gets creative gets excited like she is such a good human and yeah I'll die for I love it let's go so you're changing the

podcast a little bit. Alex is very involved. More to come on that. Has there, you know, I'm thinking about your acting career and what you got coming out. There's so much in the future here. You talked a little bit about shows that you've passed on. Are there any shows that you can speak to that you've passed on that you've thought twice about like, oh, maybe I should have taken that? Excellent Beach. Really? And the challenge. Okay. Because the excellent. Excellent beach. I think it was around the time I saw you. Yeah. And I think they started offering me fucking insane money. Can you share how much? I think it was like it started at like $70,000 and that was the most of ever been offered for a show.

Yeah, yeah. And then I got up to like 180 or something around that. But the problem was I saw, like my team was like, hey, we think it's a great opportunity. Yeah. Like this is obviously insane amount of money at that time. But my team was like, your ex is in Spain where they're filming. Like we've seen a post a story there. Yeah.

And at that time, things weren't good at all. And I also was like, I'm not at a point where I would. be okay to have a camera on me and have to deal with this situation and if things go sour then my reaction is all crying on TV like I wasn't ready to cry on TV so I'm going to wait and so I turned down that I think I think the challenge reached out a couple times but there's a few other ones oh I think I'm a celebrity get me out of here the Australian one yeah I think that was going to happen but then I ended up doing an amazing race which was really cool yeah but now it's like more just like challenge shows like I want to do challenge shows

You've hit the gamut. You now got the wrong Paris, Billy Knight, and then you got horrified coming out in the acting world. You'll have, let's marry Harry in the unscripted world. Once these are all done, crystal balls in front of you. You've done almost every reality show. What direction do you think majority of your times is spent, scripted or unscripted? Scripted.

You said that with certainty. Yeah, for sure. Dude, so fun. Wow. I love that. I think we're at a point now is we're creating shows. I've got the best people around me just became a part owner in the LA rugby team

Let's go, that's so cool Making some stuff happen with that And following that journey along Which is really exciting So if I could produce reality shows That's the goal The goal is to produce reality shows Beyond scripted stuff

Because it's so exciting To be able to watch this stuff Come together and to come to like So now I'm obviously in a really Like this one of my life's been pretty crazy recently is because I know I'm about to leave to have this life-changing most incredible experience of a show happen

but before that what seeds can I plant so now there's like three massive show ideas that I have that which Netflix I'm going to come to them first obviously because I love them and bring those ideas before I go film so that at least I can blossom while I'm away and then come back and everyone's chilling

everyone's happy but that's the goal is to produce these shows have feel good like I think after the Mary Harry's done all I want to do is have shows that make people feel good, not the drama-filled shows, whatever else. Like, let's learn something. Like, let's grow together.

Let's figure some stuff out because that's where the passion is. Like, sure, I could go do another hookup show and have someone scream at you and be a sausage and kiss the wrong girl. Yeah. But it's not fulfilling. Yeah. That's not going to build a real community of people that love what you do. I love it.

In 2021, we talked about what we were talking about. 2025, you're manifesting this idea of being executive producer. her, 2030, you're going to be like an executive at Netflix back in this chair. I'm like, dude, do you remember what you said 10 years ago? You're sick? Look at you now. You're doing it. All right.

The only other topic I got to get into is, I mean, there's so much to get into with you, but time is ticking is social media. There's a lot of questions about monetization of social media. The one thing I got to ask, going back to 2021, the goal was 10 million a year. How is that goal? We're working on it. And you want to be a millionaire by 23. How's that goal?

All right. Let's go. Check, check. It's still there. Let's go. What's next? Do you have, before I get to social media, do you have any financial goals

or anything that connect to, like, money and aspirations that are on your forefront? I think just the biggest, the biggest goal now is to have, like, a farm or something in Australia. Really? Cool. Yeah. So obviously, but then when it comes to, like, monetary goals, I've got, like, I've never, like,

I think at that time I was obsessed with the number. Now I'm obsessed with, like, I guess, the energy or the feeling. That's cool, man. That's massive growth. Yeah, because I think that's where you become really rich. And you become happy and like, like, it's rich in other ways. And it's also like, who really cares about the stuff? Yeah.

I've got, you know what's crazy? One of my friends, he lives well below his means. I had no idea how rich this guy was. No idea. He was accidentally drunk, pulled up a statement. $405 million made last year. Damn. And I was sitting there.

I'm like, and he's like, do you think I'd give a first? fuck like who cares like this is impressive to you but like whatever like i and he's just so happy with where he's at but he's just done so well set himself up and lives so below his means and just has like such a good time but it's just like the energy i'm like well i see guys that are making that amount of money that are struggling and aren't good but this guy's just so rich because he feels where he's at and like his energy's there i don't know if that makes any sense but he's like i think just because his energy was there he's able to get to the point of making X amount of.

No, I think it would be sense, too. Like, you're not looking at, like, back at 21, you're looking at $10 million. Now you're like, it doesn't mean, that doesn't mean anything to me. Yeah. I'm looking at, like, I'm trying to prepare myself to go on a show where I can meet my wife. I want to prepare myself to, like,

be able to go to Australia and have a farm. Like, you're thinking, like, as a visionary, you're not thinking, like a young, 20-year-old, like, punk throwing a number on. Like, I think that's incredible, incredible growth. I think it's pretty special. This episode of Trading Secrets is brought to you by booking.com. I've got to say, if you're looking to grow your vacation rental business,

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and the global reach, head over to booking.com and start your listing today. Get seen, get booked on booking.com. Before I go on social media, though, let's marry Harry. You are, you got the ring. One thing I talk about with only every guest that comes on this show, the intersection between love and money is tough. It's a very tough one. Do you have any like hard, fast rules? Are you going to talk about money and career? You're going to, like, what is your just take on that as you enter in the position where you might actually get engaged on Netflix. What do you think I should do? I think you should talk about it.

Really? My advice would be that a lot of connection these days, it's built on consumption and not intention. And I think that we live in a world where people talk about their finances and as a result of it, we then weaponize it, we blame it, we shame it, we use it as like a tool to like beat them up or judge them. And I think if someone's being willing to be open with you about like what they're making or financial struggles they're having. That's not a red flag. The red flag is them lying about it

or putting on some facade that isn't true, not being vulnerable. And I think it creates connection. So if I was you, I would step into it. I'd be like, tell me about your situations. What are things you struggle with? Like, what are the finances look like? Because when you get engaged, the biggest difference between like engagement into marriage, truly there's a lot of things are emotional, but from business perspective, it's a contract, you know? And like every single state has a pre-nump and those are the state laws and then you could make the decision to adjust and customize those laws or you could just take the laws that the state gives you which everyone have. Damn. So that's my perspective. It's a really good perspective. Given that do you have a

take, like do you have a hard and fast on pre-dumps or any type of love and money rules? Well, I probably should have a pre-nup. But yeah, just in case because you don't know what could happen. And I don't know. I've never even, no, I haven't really thought about it. It's been too fixated on trying to be a good guy. You're just growing and change it. All right, a few things on social media before we wrap. You got nearly 10 million followers across all platforms. How do you strategically approach the monetization of them?

And then which platform do you monetize the most on? I think obviously Instagram make the most on. It's really difficult because I feel like everyone gets in their head about posting and it gets too afraid of like, oh, like, freaks out. Like, this is going to bomb. It's not going to do it well. I got to a point where I was only posting podcast clips I'm like this is kind of boring for everyone

like people all they see when I come to my stuff is just this so I wasn't even posting like photos of myself or any like cool stuff from like events and I think once I got out of my head it was a little bit more freeing but the scheduling post is the most freeing thing ever because then you can do one a day

don't even care yeah don't even care it's all good don't worry about it and then you can focus on like feeling better and having better energy TikTok's been a bit of a tough one recently. There's been a few videos that have cracked and have done well, but I kind of just get in that mindset of posting a ton and then just deleting the ones that don't do well.

And that's why I've been doing it on Instagram as well. Like, let's just post everything. Get out of it, just get it up. And then once it's up, then just delete the ones that don't hit. Obviously, Snapchat makes a ton of money. Which of those platforms, Snapchat, TikTok, Instagram, YouTube are you making the most on? Instagram, obviously, but Snapchat consistently. Are you doing Snapchat like every single day?

pumped up. And how many posts are you usually doing this story? I used to just like when I was doing Dance with Stars, bro, I was posting so much. I think it was making like 70,000 a month just on Snapchat. Wow. Interesting. And I think one day there when I posted 500 times in a day, I made like 30K. 500 times? Yeah. In one day? Yeah, I made like 30K. But it was like a year recap. Like, guys, this is what I'm so thankful for each year. And I sat there for like three or four hours. But imagine there's 10K an hour. I just sat there. That's unbelievable. Literally just like, just do everything I could think of from that year. It's obviously a hack for people who have Snapchat.

And at the end of the year, and they're like, okay, cool. Now I'm going to sit down and figure it out. But those have been like my biggest days. Yeah. But yeah, consistently. And also I just got like a really good family over at Snapchat as well.

Like they're really cool. Like anytime someone's on a reality show, you've got to talk to Brooke Berry, she's going to help. Oh, she's the best. She's the best. Yeah, yeah. She's the one.

We love Brooke. Unbelievable. It was crazy. Like you say 500 times. day I feel like AI and like robotics are now coming into social media and like one day like we're going to get to a point like an AI person to be able to sit on Snapchat and just like 500. It's ridiculous. It's going to be interesting to see like how that changes. Have you seen these AI agents for business? Yeah. It's crazy. It's fucking crazy. It's like it's a label. It's quite

terrifying honestly. I'm just like, how do you get ahead of it? Especially in a world like digital that we're in. That's where I. You're going to be an actor though. So you're going to be cooked. Have you seen the films they're making? I'm done. I can't act that good, brother. They're so good at acting. What is the last thing I got for is, what is the biggest brand deal that you've done? What's your, like, the biggest brand deal?

I don't know if you can share in dollars and cents at all, but, like, the biggest one you got. I think it was like Tinder. They came in. Insane. I think it was over half a ticket. Damn, let's go. Closer to 600. Good for you, man.

Because we kept doing more and more stuff. Yeah. It was like a six month. the contract and then there was like ads that I was doing there's other stuff I was on so just kept adding more stuff on and it was so awesome yeah over there I think it was like five or six hundred I love it man I love it and they were great and the last thing I got for I asked you this in 2021 it's a layup it's always interesting to see how it change what's one thing that you overspend on you know you overspend on and no matter what you're going to keep overspending on it dude I don't know how I

spend so much money it's pissing you got to look at that stuff no bro I have to put like a limit on my credit card And then even today I'm seeing that That's a good budgeting tip of though Put a limit though and then you'll know I don't fucking know I just turn it off today It's just I went to paper parking

It's like the client drove your limit I'm like fuck that Turn that shit off Turn it back on Yeah it's inconvenience I think the thing I spend the most money on Is probably food Okay gotcha

It's like is it fine dining Is it Uber eats Is it grocery like what do you It's so stupid On my podcast is one episode I'd spend thousand dollars that month on uber eats oh my what the hell are you ordering i don't know dude i just get excited are you just buying for everyone or just go right the whole building i'm like guys like let's go

i don't know yeah i think food is definitely the crazy i just the convenience of not leaving the house okay okay i got it so i'm like guys bring like air force ones yeah i always buy air i always buy shoes on it yeah if i go in that AK and i see it where's the like where are you spending the most of that is it like no i know but is it like fast or is it sushi like what is it what is it the item. Oh, I think it's probably sushi. Sushi. But now, now since the show, I've got a chef. I love it. Good. You got a chef? Yeah, so I can, so don't fuck up. But I still eat chocolates every day. Oh, so you can eat, so you're getting ready for the show. You're going to be lean, mean, right? I'm boxing. I'm running. Wow. You're not fighting here. Well, you don't know if she's

brothers. Oh, yeah. Also, you don't know what I'm going to say. That's true. I need to fight myself. You might be fighting actually. Brother, I'm fucked. Yeah. But you got the race. But you got the race. and you've got a wild future coming up. End with this, and then we'll get your trading secret. Just pitch us. Give it like, you know, we've had sharks from Shark Tank on here.

We've had some of the biggest businessmen, and they pitch us. Pitch us on the future of Harry Jousy. What do we have to look forward to? What should we stay tuned for? Guys, strap yourselves. Let's hear it. Here you go. Give me the pitch.

What is coming up and what I stay tuned for is the whole lot of fun. You're going to be absolutely eyes through your fingers. You're going to be, yeah, literally, you're going to be, yeah, literally, you're going to be like oh i don't know if i should watch this but i'm excited to watch it i think that my goal has always been make my friends laugh and give my friends that like little distraction they have every week now i have so many more friends so many more people follow us i don't know if i said it on the first time we met but the reason i went on reality tv is one of my brother's best friends took his life now i've had two more my best friend from the first right yeah you didn't share it took his

life and then one of my friends moms took their life we have the highest suicide rate per capita in in Australia and New Zealand. So my goal has always been, like, even if people are watching me and they're like, this guy's an idiot and they're laughing at me or they're laughing with me, it doesn't matter. That's the goal has always been, let's give people their 40 minutes a week so that they can laugh at something stupid I'm doing. So that's why the hate or some other shit, it's like, well, you're distracted from your shit that's going on by laughing at me and I get to do what I love by making my friends laugh.

That is a beautiful way to wrap the podcast. I mean, I think that is so cool that you're finding, even through the highs and lows, the booze and the cheers, you get to see that that's an entertainment source for people. And you've seen people that have gone through a lot of things in their life and just a smile every day or an entertainment source or an outlet can put someone in a different direction. And your foresight to that, that's really fucking cool. And I think, you know, one thing next time you're back here when you're an executive at Netflix, I also want you to be... I want you to be the founder of a non-for-profit dedicated to that mission. what I want one of your projects to be when you make all this money from this next show and then you find your wife I want you to do that that's that's that's a charity event coming up there you go

it's so with the skincare line yeah and my friend hunter he's got his brand make sure your friends are okay we've really bonded over losing people that we love but the goal with that is to do more fun events get people to talk about their struggles and like let's realize we're all not alone so next time I see you I'll have a more official thing that's gone on charity I love it I love it the charity and we'll talk more about the business you got to wrap with the trading secret so it's specific to you we can't learn it from a ticot tutorial or you know a youtube or professor we can only learn it from your experience your life financially professionally personally what trading secret can you leave us with i feel like when it comes to this stuff being in the space

being on social media being on tv is just to realize it's all a big joke and to have fun and it's maybe not the best secret but whenever i've been on a show and I got too involved in what's happening in front of me and thinking that it's my entire life, I took the fun out of it and you could feel it and it's not cool. When it comes to life and social media and stuff, if you want to be an influencer, if you want to be big in the space,

if you want to be big on TV, just have fun and don't care as much as you feel like you should because I think that we all psych ourselves out. There's so many people with so many random fan bases on the planet. And if you want to be an influencer, you also deserve that. like you just have to put in the work and be consistent again it's not really a secret but i guess to go back to the first thing is there's less traffic in your own lane yeah so stay in it

yeah and who knows like shit changes it over one video yeah one tv show for me like i just got lucky literally one thing you just have to work towards it yeah one thing will change everything yeah and then we'll change everything yeah i love it i think i always like to give what my trading secret is from this time around my trading secret from this time around is like it's unbelievable what you can do when you look within and how you can grow. Like you've grown so much from 2021. It's so cool to see. That's one.

The second thing I think is really cool that you do that no one else does. Life gives you like a blank white canvas, right? And then you can make whatever you want from it. And so many people in life just make like a little, like they get this whole beautiful thing of life and they just like they take their line and that's their life. It's like this little line and then it's done. And that's because, in my opinion, there's so much peer pressure. there's so much noise there's so many places people tell us we have to go and have to say

and have to do and we lose our identity and I think like the coolest thing about you is that you took that canvas and you took like eight different colors and said like fuck it just like through the green on through the blue on through the yellow on you're just like I don't like that then you smash the canvas over your knee and you bring a new canvas up and like you create your own life rules and as a result of that it's really showing up in like who you are and then what you're doing No one is an actor and on scripted TV as a lead. I don't think, go look at the history. I don't think anybody is ever at the same time on Netflix had a role as a scripted actor

and is leading a show in which you're going to be married ever. You're breaking, you're breaking barriers. That's crazy. And my trading secret is like, stop living in this stupid line. I'm going to go get a bucket of paint and throw it on a canvas. So that gets me fired up. I appreciate you coming on. The wrong Paris is premiering this September.

I'm excited about that. You got your podcast. Boyfriend Material Podcast, check that out. And then, of course, Let's Mary Harry. Cannot wait to see that. I think I'm going to make the prediction perfect match. I saw it. It never hit number one on Netflix.

It was like number five, number four, number seven this past season. Lance Mary Harry's going to be one. It's going to be there for a while. For a while. Where can everyone find everything you got going on? At Harry Jazzy. All right. I love it.

Harry Josie. Thank you for being on this episode. Again, a train secrets. Sick. All right. money living that dream making that money money brain on me making that money money money