Trading Secrets - 271. Chloe Veitch: 10+ reality TV shows by 26! From unpaid modeling jobs to Netflix reality TV star, how she navigates imposer syndrome, follows her intuition, and the $$$ lessons along the way

Episode Date: December 29, 2025

This week, Jason is joined by one of the biggest breakout stars in Netflix’s reality TV world, Chloe Veitch! Chloe first rose to fame on Too Hot To Handle, quickly becoming a fan favorite with her humor, honesty, and a big personality. She went on to compete on The Circle and later on Perfect Match, and most recently hosting Sneaky Links After Dark, building a reputation as one of the most recognizable faces on Netflix reality universe. Beyond television, Chloe has leveraged her fame into a career as a model, influencer, and content creator, connecting with millions of fans across social media. Chloe opens up about her early dream of pursuing a career in London’s West End, how her relationship with money has evolved, and why she used opportunities as a form of escapism growing up. She shares how getting signed to a boutique London agency at 18 — and taking an unpaid modeling job — unexpectedly led to Too Hot to Handle, plus the reality show she almost joined and why she played The Circle more strategically. Chloe breaks down how TV exposure turns into brand deals, the hard lessons she’s learned about valuing income, why being single performs better on reality TV, and the one show she would never do again. She also dives into hosting — landing her first job without an audition but needing to sell the concept to Netflix — getting off ADHD medication, controlling the energy in the room, knowing when to walk away from relationships, launching her Big Sister radio segment with the Unwell Network, the power of loyal followers, standing firm on non-negotiables, and the advice she’d give her younger self. Chloe reveals all this and so much more in another episode you can’t afford to miss! Host: Jason Tartick Co-Host: David Arduin Audio: John Gurney Guest: Chloe Veitch Stay connected with the Trading Secrets Podcast!  Instagram: @tradingsecretspodcast  Youtube: Trading Secrets Facebook: Join the Group  All Access: Free 30-Day Trial  Trading Secrets Steals & Deals! Northwest Registered Agent: Northwest is your one stop business resource. Learn how to build a professional website, what annual filings your business needs to stay in good standing, and simple explanations of complicated business laws. Don't wait, protect your privacy, build your brand and get your complete business identity in just 10 clicks and 10 minutes! Visit [https://www.northwestregisteredagent.com/tradingsecretsfree] and start building something amazing! Quince: From Mongolian cashmere sweaters to Italian wool coats, Quince pieces are crafted from premium materials and built to hold up without the luxury markup. Get your wardrobe sorted and your gift list handled with Quince. Don't wait! Go to Quince.com/tradingsecrets for free shipping on your order and 365-day returns. Now available in Canada, too. Upwork: Instead of spending weeks sorting through random resumes, Upwork Business Plus sends a curated shortlist of expert talent to your inbox in hours. Trusted, top-rated freelancers vetted for skills and reliability.... and rehired by businesses like yours. Right now, when you spend $1,000 on Upwork Business Plus, you'll get $500 in credit. Go to Upwork.com/SAVE now and claim the offer before 12/31/2025.

Welcome back to another episode of Trading Secrets. Today we are joined by Chloe Veach, one of the biggest breakout stars in Netflix reality TV world. Chloe first rose to fame on Too Hot to Handle, quickly becoming a fan favorite with her humor, honesty, and big personality. She went on to compete on The Circle and later on perfect match and most recently hosting Sneaky Links After Dark, building a reputation as one of the most recognizable faces in Netflix reality universe. Beyond television, Chloe has leveraged her fame into a career as a model, influencer, and content creator, connecting with millions of fans across social media. Today, we are going to pull back the curtain on the business of reality TV.

what happens with money and contracts behind the scenes and how Chloe has built her brand into a sustainable career. Chloe, thank you so much for me on Trading Secrets. I need to put you in my back back and like carry you around with me. That intro was great. Just a little pump up every day. Thank you. Oh wow. If ever I'm feeling shit, I can just call you. Remind me. Remind me. I got you. I got you. Here you go. You've done it all. I am that girl. You are that girl. All right. So that's actually a good, good transition. Did you expect to be that girl like when you go back to your days like did you think growing up like you'd be in reality TV you'd be hosting for Netflix like what were your career aspirations to be honest with you I grew up in such a

small town yeah and the my expectations were limited because obviously you only know what you know I'm only seeing people that work in a cafe or don't go to college I'm like oh I don't want to go to college you know but I think when I was younger I failed all my GCSEs other than English which is shocking because I'm definitely dyslexic. I got an A-star in performing arts and I knew I wanted to perform. So I sang and acted and was like, do you know what? I think I want to pursue the West End in London. Okay. And West End in London is like the Broadway to New York City, right? Oh, it's huge. Yeah. Yeah. And did you make those? Did you make a run at that? So I've done private singing lessons, acting lessons and perform arts lessons for years.

Okay. Can you sing? I love singing. Yeah. Really? What's your go-to karaoke song? Anything Adele, Beyonce. Adele's a tough task. Yeah, I mean, I love Adele. Okay, but that's like, I mean, she's got the chops. She has. Yeah, she's got the chops. All right. You take on the risk when you get a karaoke.

But I never go on karaoke because I feel like with me, I'm like, everyone knows I'm on TV, right? It's like loud personality. They have expectations of like me. And I kind of lean into that. It's like my armor. Oh, interesting. But then singing, uh-uh. I don't sing in front of anyone.

Wow. I don't go on karaoke. I'm like, that's something that's sacred to me. Yeah. Like healing. Interesting. All right. Before we get to your days of being in the spotlight, what was, you talked about

growing up in a small town. What was your, we talked about money on this show too. What was your relationship with money growing up? Like, what type of area did you grow up in? And what was your relationship? What was your view on just money in general? I mean, to be honest, like, it was only about five years ago that I learned what a mortgage was.

Yeah. Because my mom and dad, they're not well off. We lived in a government owned house. house. My mum and dad didn't own their own house. My dad struggled with like addiction and was in rehab and didn't really work. So he didn't have a job or a steady income. So my mom was the bread earner. So she would try and go to college, but she couldn't because she had us kids to look after. She like dropped out. So for me, all I see was as long as you persevere, my mom was my role model. So she would persevere in trying to put food in the fridge. And it was just, it was beautiful

to see now I'm older. And I look back and I'm like, wow, like you are really a super woman. but my relationship with money I just think whenever I got a tiny bit of money I would spend it you know I'm like I want to go shopping I want to go get a bag I remember my dad he sold his mum's house when she passed away and he had like 50,000 dollars and he said to me and my brother

oh you get a hundred pound each and I was like I've won the fucking lottery this is incredible this is a hundred pound I get to spend and I went into one shop and within 20 minutes it was gone And I was like, oh, well, now I need to get more so I can then treat myself again. So it's kind of like, yeah, my relationship with money was just, I just want to spend it. Yeah. It's immediately when you said that, it reminded me a Shannon Ford who we had on the podcast. A couple of years ago, and she talked about she grew up, and I'm not comparing the two at all,

but she's like, I grew up in a trailer park and I didn't have anything. And the second I started earning, I was like, I'm treating myself. And she's like, that, the power of me being able to treat myself was actually motivation for me to keep working harder to accomplish those things because those are the things I wanted to achieve and so it's I always find it interesting like everyone has a different relationship with money and like what money can do for you so it's always cool to kind of hear where it came from before all this wildness happened in your life and then the wildness happened so too hot to handle how did they find you how did you even get on the show what did it look like to be honest of you I I didn't really believe in like

your story's already written you know when people are like oh it's kind of fate and you fall into things as long as you're willing and open-minded. I was always someone who would just say yes when I was younger. I didn't care what it was. I just wanted the escape. The escape from my parents arguing or my dad going and drinking and it was kind of like for me, whenever an opportunity would come up, I would grab it with both hands. It was like an escapism. And my mum put me forward for this modelling competition and I'd never modelled before. I used to get that. I was like It's 16, 17, yeah. I didn't have any confidence, any self-esteem.

I was just very loud. And my mom put me forward for this competition. Fast forward six months I won the competition. It was great. They flew me to Korea for three months. I was on my own at 17, with like 24 other women competing in this pageant. And I'm like, wow, the world is huge. I'm in Korea, on my own, with other women.

I'm learning different cultures and hearing different stories that's like widening my perspective of life. And then once I come back from there, my mum said, well, you might as well sign to a modeling agency. And I'm like, Mom, they're not going to want to sign me, you know, like that imposter syndrome sneaks in. But I printed off different pictures of me after reaching out to different photographers saying, do you want to collaborate with me? Yeah. I had a book full of pictures that were shocking when I look back. But I got signed to an agency.

It was a boutique agency in London. And how old were you at this time? I was like going on 18 years old. Okay. And then they put me forward for this job that wasn't paid. And I was like, I need money. So you have to model. You have to do the work, but you're not paid.

Yeah, when you're trying to build your portfolio. The model industry is tough. It's crazy. Do you still do modeling on the side? I mean, not really, no. Yeah. Yeah, it's just, it's something that you need to put 110% into. Okay.

You know, obviously you've got the perimeter, you've got networking, you've got portfolio, social your branding it's like a whole I would love to model for Dior one day but it's like because of the reality TV that I've done it's like is that really possible it could be if I wanted to do it 110% but I don't have that capacity right now so I have to redirect but I fell into tort handle because I done that modeling job that I wasn't paid for interesting I met a casting director at the shoot and she said you would be perfect for this show that I'm doing and that's how my career just rocketed. An opportunity you took that wasn't paid

actually is what sparked the entire rest of your career, which is kind of interesting. When you did reality TV, especially too hot to handle, like it gets kind of get in the weeds a little bit. Like it gets a little intense. Did you have any apprehension before going on? Reality TV? You were like, let's go. Yeah. Let's rip. Now, we've had some funny stories

Harry Jousy, who went on the show, and he's talked about some wild things he did to get on. Did you, in the casting process, have to do anything like wild, or did you make sure, like, even Kayla Barton, from Love Island just came on. She's like, I made sure that I told the craziest stories. Like, I dialed everything in because I was like, you guys are going to pick me. When you look back on that, did you have to do any of that? To be honest with you, I was so naive. Yeah. I didn't premeditate,

didn't strategize, didn't anything. The producers would be calling me at 10 p.m. at night being like, are you available? And I'm like, yeah, yeah, I'm just in bed. And I would just be honest and authentic. And I think my advantage was I was so young. I did. I didn't have the time to be around people, to overthink it. You know, I was so oblivious of the industry and what you had to do to get in, but now looking back, it's like, yeah, you can amp yourself up and create the craziest story. You can even lie on the stories, you know, just to get picked, but what I truly found is that they are cast in different personalities for every show, so just be authentically yourself, and that's exactly what I was. I mean, the one story that got me the job on Too Hot, that I know is the story. what is it is so my dad has got six different children with five different women and it kind of

taught me that sex isn't that deep yeah you could just have sex doesn't matter if you've just met them or it's two weeks down the line or even dating them for months I mean obviously I'm still really young so like what the fuck but telling them that story that I don't attach myself to that they were like oh you're definitely needing the rehab of Lana you need to come on this show because you need to cleanse yourself bitch yeah yeah yeah that's a wild like that's a total reverse psychology go onto reality TV to cleanse yourself hey like that's on but i mean wild after your first show when did you so you do too hot to handle when did you start to notice like okay things are changing a little bit and then for too hot to handle were you compensated well for too hot to handle

yeah no no we went paid for coming on we didn't know it was going to be on netflix Oh, so you didn't, because you were season one, so you didn't even know it was going to be on Netflix. No. Interesting. Yeah, I actually was in the audition process of Love Island. Oh, wow. Yeah, they were like, we want you to come on the show. And I was talking to producers and I said, well, I've just been guaranteed an original spot.

Why did you pick Too Out to Handle over Love Island? Because I wasn't guaranteed an original position on Love Island. Yeah. Looking back at that, I mean, season one wasn't, I think Two How to Handle season one was much larger than Love Island. Island, season one. So obviously it was the right decision. Yeah. Unbelievable. So that's two jobs that you weren't paid for, but then that ended up working out. And then you get signed, obviously it goes to Netflix. At what point do you start to say, okay, I was grinding and modeling. I'm trying to figure this out. I now get this deal. Netflix hits it. When do you start to see your

life change professionally and financially? I mean, I never see it changed professionally until the past couple, we'll pass few years. Okay. Well, I'm surprised you say this. that. I mean, you have millions of followers on Instagram. You've been on multiple, multiple shows. You're now a host. Why do you say just the last couple of years professionally a change? Because I was just living in gratitude and I was just grateful for every opportunity I was given. I never said, oh, it's because of me. You know, it's not like, oh, I've made this decision and I'm a businesswoman. Like, this is a platform and I am the business. I need to monetize it. like I need to strategically play out storyline and headlines and paparazzi and no it's only been

the past year or two that I've really thought oh my god this is a business I've just been so living in the moment this all this whole time and I'm seeing all my friends starting businesses and doing this and I'm like how did you do that and they're like clow you can do it I'm like really yeah yeah yeah but yeah it's yeah crazy you started a business but you didn't expect to become the head of everything. Now you're doing marketing, customer service, and IT with no support staff. At some point, doing it all becomes the reason nothing gets done. Stop doing everything. Instead of spending weeks sorting through random resumes and keeping your tasks on overflow, use Upwork Business Plus. It will help send a curated short list of expert talent to help with

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or try to portray themselves in a certain way. Did you feel like you had to do that either consciously or subconsciously? I would say the circle. Yes. Okay. Why? I'd just come off the most watched reality TV show in the world. And I think the cut and edit of my storyline was very much like, you're funny, you're exaggerant, you're kind of just this bubble of energy and positivity.

And when I went on to the circle, I had that voice in my head that's like, oh, you need to give them what they want. Yeah. And it changed. The script flipped. And I thought, oh, okay, I need to like, exactly. I need to like exaggerate my personality, but I was already that girl anyway. Yeah. So I was just overthinking it.

Then I was a nervous wreck. Yeah. So that was the one show that I watched back and I'm like, I mean, I was myself. I can't not be anything other than myself. But I was thinking about it more strategically. That makes a lot of sense. After too hot to handle, I mean, you do two jobs, the modeling gig, then two hot to handle for free.

At this point, you're building a brand. You're on the biggest show in the world. Like, are you negotiating for the circle? Be like, all right, I got some, I got some, like I am a hot commodity. now like did that happen i can't even remember if i got paid for the circle wow yeah can't even remember maybe your trading secret is just do things for free and everything else will work out honestly like i'm being completely transparent with you yeah like not once do i do it for the money huh i just i've had this ever since i was a kid if you are a good person and you lead with intention

and you're trusting your intuition, it will fall into place. And there is, obviously you need to be paid to survive. Sure. I was being paid through brand deals. So for me, it wasn't like I was desperate for the money or I was asking or turning opportunities down because I wanted more or greed would play into it.

It's like, okay, I would speak to my agent, speak to my manager, and I would trust them and be like, okay, well, if you think this is a good deal and we don't do it for money, then I think being in my mind, my position, money isn't the be-all or end-all, because I'll get that through brand deals anyway. It's about the exposure that then ties into the brand deals. Got it. You know?

So you're looking at the reality show will give you the exposure. The exposure generates eyeballs. The eyeballs will then generate cash opportunities through brand deals on social media. Yeah. And obviously, if you win the circle, you get a couple hundred thousand. Yeah, exactly. I came second. Do you get anything for second or no?

No. Nothing. They got to give a second place. That's bullshit. Just more air time. More time. I'm like, okay, I'll take that. You're like, well, that leads to brand deals.

Yes. So when did you see for obviously two out to handle season one blowing up then you're on circle when did you start to see money come through on social media and what it looked like because this is that season one was in 2020 correct? Yeah. So when did you start to see money coming in and be like wait a second. Some dollars are hitting my bank count. What did that look like financially? Yeah. Yeah. My first brand deal. Okay. What was it? It was iconic London. Okay. It was a body shimmer mist and I loved it. Yeah. I was like I use this anyway and I think they paid me. So. something like 18,000 pound for one story. I was like, what? A story only stays up for 24 hours. Right. Like, that's insane. You know, I'm thinking, I've made it. I'm going to buy my mama house.

This is incredible. And the story was I just sprayed it on my face, went out into the sun and went, wow, my skin's so glowy. Glowy, Chloe. That was it. Wow, that's a tagline right there. Yeah. 18,000 pounds.

incredible that is unbelievable yeah and have you seen social media income increase year over years a dip like breakdown kind of state of the union of like what social media has been like for income since 2020 to 2025 i've started to come to terms that depending on your what's the word your exposure and your what's the relevance you know like if you go on a show and it's just come out and your numbers are up, your money through brand deals is going to be higher. And when I first started earning money, it was, I mean, I had a brand deal for fashion over for 20,000 a month, and then Sheen for 20,000 a month. So I was 20 years old, and in 40,000 a month just off of the two brand deals, which were like a year-long contract.

But to hear like, that's why I love going to where you're from, to hear like where you came from to that. Like, how cool is that? I mean, that was when I first started and came off of to what to handle. That was like my highest earning months when I first started. And then I learned some things about brands that I wanted to work with and brands I didn't want to work with because I was so young, I wasn't aware of certain fast fashion and this and that, you know? So like as you get older and you start to notice the brands that you're working with or not working with, you say no to certain opportunities. But I think the past, so just before I hosted sneaky links on Netflix. It was my lowest earning months. Interesting. Yeah. I mean,

even though I was already established, I'd been on all these shows, my engagement was low. Yeah. So even if a brand does want to pay me, it's like, well, how many eyeballs are going to see this product? Interesting. So it went from, so a lot of what you saw with social media monetization was connected to time on reality TV. And as your time away from reality TV was moving, the, the brand deal started going down a little bit. Yeah, and I felt like I failed. I'm like, oh my God, like I'm now going to be broke and I'm not going to buy a house and what have I done? And then I started to resent myself. Why did I need that Chanel bag? I didn't need to buy that range rover. Like I could have bought myself a house and secured my future. But now looking back,

it's like, wow, how many beautiful lessons have I learned? Now I value money and income. And that connects to, it connects to the younger Chloe as a little girl who got the hundred bucks and spent it. And it's like when that money came in, spent it. And then you're like, okay, I'm going to learn a lesson. I'm going to learn a financial lesson. And that's honestly the thesis of the soul's podcast is like, we aren't taught this shit. We don't know, we don't know what to do because we aren't taught it.

So probably the only way we learn is by doing it ourselves. And it sounds like that's kind of what you did. So in this time frame between circle and then perfect match, where there other reality shows they were knocking on your door, what some of things were you doing for your career in earnings? Okay. And did love that, the big question, did Love Island come knocking on your door? No. Really?

No, after that interview before you ought to handle. Yeah. I don't think they would take me on Love Island. How come? After too hot. Okay. Because people have seen me. It's like, you know, I'm with Netflix, two different.

Yeah. I mean, I want to host it one day, but like that's a different story. Let's go. So after perfect match. To be honest with you, throughout the Netflix shows that I've been on, quite a lot of people don't know, but I've been on at least 10 reality TV shows. It's the list, if you go to, if you, if I've put your name on anywhere, ChatsyPT, Wikipedia, Google, it's a long list. I couldn't include them all.

They've abused me and abused me. No, I've loved every second of it. Every show's taught me a different version of myself, and it's crazy because I feel like I've grown up on reality TV. I'd done The Hunting, which was like a survival show, you had to sleep on the streets for two weeks, and, like, evade the hunters to raise money for cancer and all of this. But throughout all the reality TV shows that I'd done, majority of them weren't paid. But like I said, it's the exposure off of them.

But the brand deal was really just what I've gotten me through. Yeah. Of all the shows you did, which one was the most fun to be on? I would say, talk to handle because it was my first show. Okay. And of all the shows you've been on, which has paid the best? The one I just hosted. Okay.

And of all the shows, which one do you regret going on? What do I regret going on? I'm going to be that girl. None of them. Wow. Every single one has taught me something about myself. Interesting. I love it.

Yeah. I've had love affairs on some of them. I've had breakups on some of them. I've met friends through some of them. So yeah. Does that, because a lot of the shows you've been on a competition or dating, has putting your love life out there impacted your professional world, financial world and then personally how what what have you done to kind of like deal with that

the ups and downs of that i think based off experience if you're publicly in a relationship you get less tv jobs because it's like well that's interesting yeah so if you're publicly in a less like reality tv yeah it's like the unspoken rule of reality tv yeah if you're single oh yeah that you're getting calls right and center as soon as you go into relationship it's like oh I mean, we could put her on this show. It could be a competition show. Yeah. You know, I remember I'm a celebrity, get me out of here, Australian edition.

They reached out to me and I was in a relationship and I had a conversation with them. Just to understand, like, are you single in a relationship? Because I feel like I'm not going to speak for them, but based on the knowledge I have of the industry, they want the hot young woman to be single, to create more of a storyline, to potentially have a love interest. you know to create more of a story but I think that's affected me in my personal life just a tiny bit because I have to be 100% set and like puts more pressure on my dating yeah I can imagine because if I'm losing hundreds of thousands because I'm in a relationship with you then the relationships got a it always got to work right so then I'm going to keep myself in

toxic relationships because I'm like well I've already posted him it has to work because I'm already losing money yeah you know yeah that's I mean that is I feel like that's a nuance that most people maybe don't even talk about, right? It's just the impact of all that and navigating it. And it's a lot. It's a lot to navigate, right? How was, how was I, you know, perfect match just came out this past fall. What was your overall experience on perfect match and would you do perfect match again? No. No? You couldn't pay me a million dollars to do it again. Why? It's the Hunger Games. For reality TV, it's horrible. Okay. I love watching it. It's great TV, would never do it again. Would you do another dating show? I don't think so. No? No. Okay.

Yeah. And this is a good transition because you're one of the very, very few people that has maintained reality TV relevance over so many years, but also transitioned into hosting. So, and you're under the Netflix umbrella, how did you start that conversation? Because we have had so many people come on this podcast. They're like, I'm going to get into hosting, I'm going to hosting, but it's so hard. And it's so hard to get casting directors to take you serious. and then even get auditions. So how did you do it? Because you're one of the few people that was able to do it.

I wish I had a blueprint. Yeah. But, like, looking back, one of my common themes and, like, patterns that I've seen is I always keep the relationships. So, like, people that I meet through Netflix, I go around for dinner. I call them. And it's not because I want anything from them. It's taken years of me being in the industry, maintaining contact, calling them, going for

coffee and they see that I'm passionate, you know? And one thing that I never thought I could do was host, because I'm like, I'm not big enough. I come from reality TV, you know, like, what are they going to want to use me for? You've got like the bigger people in the world, like Ariana Maddox, yeah, yeah, yeah, on Love Island. But she's from reality TV. Right, exactly. You know, like the world's just slowly changing. Yeah. Did you, for the hosting gig, did you ask them or did they come to you. They came to me. Wow. But I just remember having conversations, because if it's something that you really want to do, yeah, it's going to happen inevitably, you know, I genuinely believe that. Like, I can say to you, people say to me all the time, Clyde, why don't you get into

acting, you know, like, you're a good actor? I'm like, yeah, I mean, I could. I just, I don't know if I want that for myself. But like, if someone said to me, oh, I really want to be a host, but they don't believe that they actually want to be a host 100%. It's not going to happen for them. I don't know if I'm making sense. No, I think that makes perfect sense. It would come into fruition day by day, week by week, month by month, a year by year because I would be around all these Netflix executives.

And I would say I would love to host. And the story didn't change. So I would be planting seeds subconsciously because I believed that I wanted to host for so long that they would be like, oh, so then they start to perceive me in a different way like oh chloe can be a host you know so then when the right opportunity comes up it's like who would be a great host for that Chloe would yeah I think the thing is is you know there's so many people I talk about manifesting and there's different perspectives on it but I think

the the light the silver lining and manifesting is when you believe it you overcome what you already talked about was imposter syndrome and you start to believe that you can do it and then when you start to believe you can do it the other people start to believe you can too yeah when they called you Did they put you through like, okay, you haven't hosted? We know you want to host. We thought about you, but you've got to go audition. And what did that look like? I didn't audition.

No way. They just said you're hosting, signed the contract. They literally called me and was like, Klo, I know this is going to sound really scary to you. Yeah. But we've just been approached by a production company. The concept fits you to a T. We're just about to get the show greenlit.

We need one thing from you to sell it. I'm like, what do you need? I'm on the phone this guy from Netflix is a huge executive and I'm like fuck I can't fuck this up this is my one shot

it's not just me that they're counting like it's the actual selling of the show so he said I need you to explain the term sneaky link

to the executives that are older in the office because they don't believe that this is going to be a hit they don't believe that people are going to understand the concept of sneaky link

and I'm like I got you so what was your how did you do it sell us So I basically, oh my God, it took me an hour and I cut it down to three minutes. I was like, what do I say? Oh, my God. Like I was figuring out what I was going to wear.

How am I going to capture them in the first five seconds? Wait, so it was a live pitch? No, I just, I had to record a video and send it in for them to put it on the projector in the office. Gotcha. Okay. But I remember just saying, like, hello executives of Netflix. You're definitely way too old. I mean, what do you think people do when they're sneaky linking?

You know, like they watch Netflix and chill. So the audience, the duality of the audience of people. people with Sneaky Link, also watch Netflix. Perfect combo. Yeah. You know, like, so yeah, I kind of just went down the route of that. And I think my enthusiasm and passion for sneaky links, he must have thought, she should probably audition for the show. Like, she would be interesting. Yeah, she would great. But because I understood it so well, they kind of knew that they could trust me with that. But yeah, then they ended up the green light in it. And then they said, okay, perfect. Come in. We'll do a pilot. And then, yeah, I flew out.

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shots and you take them blindly. Like you don't know what's coming. And you don't even know what your worth is at the time. Like you're like, oh, I wasn't paid, but it's an opportunity and it will get paid. And then all of a son, you get 18K to do a story. You're like, wow, this is amazing. So you've never hosted before, but you tell them you want to host, how do you know what you should get paid as a host when you've never done it before? Honestly, I was like, I don't care if they don't pay me. I just want to do it. I remember I was on the phone to my agent. No, he was in the room with me, actually and he had to mute it because I was like yeah I don't do it for free no literally I'm like I don't give up and he's like Chloe okay now like you've gotten yourself to this position now you can ask for more

money yeah that makes sense and he's talking about six figures and I'm like what me they're not going to pay me six figures you know so I'm constantly that's why it's so important to have such a good team around you to remind you of your worth because I am still that small town girl from Essex which is so grateful for any opportunity. But the team that I had, I think they offered something like, I don't know, something ridiculously low.

And I was like, oh, okay, well, this isn't going to be my big payment from Netflix. And then it got pushed into the six-figure range. And I was like, wow. All right. You said if you won the circle, you would win a hundred grand, right? So then you got paid more,

you then went in the circle. Yeah. Let's go. I mean, that's incredible. Yeah. When you were there, did you have a hard time at all? Because they, the contestants know you as Chloe, but they also know you as a reality TV cast member.

Did you have a tough time kind of like separating the two and like proving your credibility? It's almost like a teacher goes in a classroom of high schoolers and it's their first year, but like you're the teacher. Did you have that struggle at all? And like what were some of the biggest struggles while hosting your first time? So one of my first thoughts going into it was how are they going to respect me? How am I going to hold a room? How am I going to walk in and have them?

believe what I'm saying yeah and one of my friends said to me Chloe you've been there done that you're a reality TV veteran babe yeah like if there's one thing you're good at it's navigating yourself through reality TV you've already gained their respect now it's the likeability are they gonna be well receptive of you and I'm like oh if there's one thing that I'm confident in it's I'm a good person I'm a nice person and I'm like a big sister so anyone that has troubles on the show, they can come to me, we can have conversations, and it breaks down the fourth wall of the awkwardness. And like, I know being on reality TV, what it takes to get someone to open up. It's to be vulnerable and to tell them certain things that are going on in your

life. But I think the biggest thing for me was, like, I'm severely ADHD and dyslexia. Yeah, it's crazy. And I'd just come off of my ADHD medication. And you were to be the host? For the show. Why did you go off your ADHD medication? I mean, I just thought. As someone who is ADHD. Yeah, it just, I could see the difference on, like, on camera. Like what? Well, I just wasn't as free with what I wanted to say.

I could see that I was holding back a little bit or I would be in my head way too much, you know? So I would just sit down in the dressing room before we would walk out in front of all the people. And the mic person would be micing me up and the ear person would be. putting the earpiece in me and the script writer Ed would be there like talking to me about the script that he's written and then I've got Netflix saying right now you've got to like highlight all the things that you want to change and then rewrite the script and I'm like I'll be getting an executive producer credit after this but it wasn't as hard as what I thought it was going to be one thing that I would do differently and it's not a question you asked but I'm going to chuck

this in because I just thought I would do this differently I would push back a little bit more What do you mean? Like, there's so many cooks in the kitchen when it comes to a first series. And it's like you have to get approval for the script and you have to get approval for certain questions. But some of the questions I wouldn't have asked. Interesting. Yeah. And I'm like, hmm, that would have been the right time for me to be like, no, trust me, believe in me.

I know how to open up this conversation, you know? Yeah. But because it was my first time hosting, I didn't do that. Interesting. And I don't think it's getting a second season. So I'm like, I don't regret it. I love it. That isn't confirmed, by the way.

I just, yeah. It's your gut instinct. Yeah, I'm like, okay, great first show. Cast was amazing. It done well. It was in the first, it was in the top 10 within the first week. Yeah. But yeah, I definitely like that lot from that.

When you think about your time as a host, for so many people not listening, we see hosts all the time. What's one thing about just like a host position we just would never know behind the scenes? Okay. Behind the scenes, you wouldn't see this on TV. Okay. It takes hours. Like a five-minute conversation can take hours with a table full of 12 people. So there's something called secret suspense building. And I have to direct that train. So if someone's just about to be eliminated,

no one knows. They're sat there, naive, young, funny, bubbly, just like having a conversation. and I'm sat there knowing I'm just about to eliminate someone or someone's just about to go home. So I would have to change my body language, walk in with a different tone, and then sit down and sit in silence for 20 minutes. What?

And say, everyone, we need to be quiet. And I would have to tell the whole room of people to be silent for 20 minutes whilst I just sit there and look at the table. Because it gets them worked up, it gets them scared, it gets the emotions in the room like, tense and yeah that's the definition of controlling energy in a room right and so the tell me the psychology behind that right is you go into this room you lead with a certain emotion you lead with it for a long period of time so they have to follow when they follow it then leads to better tv and reactions is that

correct what from like hosting something like that have you used any of these like different tactics or tricks at all in your other areas of life to like change the energy in a room or And I'm wondering if there's anyone listening back home, whatever career it is, like they can take away that you've learned through this career track, that they can apply to their jobs to, like, change the energy for the good or bad or set the tone. Yeah, I think in little things, like when I sat down and before we started this, I had a conversation with one of my friends before I got here. And I felt really bad because someone had asked me to go to give him my number and whatever when I was in the supermarket just a minute ago. You just got hit on in the supermarket? What did the guy say? What's a pickup line in the supermarket?

Well, he was just like, oh, hi. Love the accent. Like, oh, thank you. Like, I must have been talking to myself because I'm like, how did you even hear my accent? I'm like, should I pick the big cucumber, the tomatoes, the whatever. I must have been talking to myself. And I lied and was like, oh, I'm sorry, there's no point because I'm not from here. I'm from London.

I've just, like, I'm only here for a couple more weeks and I felt really bad that I'd lied. So I called my friend and was like, I've just lied to this guy and I feel really bad. And she said, you need to remember that, especially as a woman, you can have an open energy when you walk into a room. But that is going to attract many people, whether it be good energy, bad energy, narcissists, sociopaths, people that are nice, bubbly, people that have hidden agendas. So one thing that you need to realize is that no is a full sentence.

You're allowed to have boundaries. And I think one thing that I've learned is silence is key. silence is deadly you know if you want to understand someone more shut your mouth open your ears and I think when you're on a date it's not about having fun and making sure it's the best date in the world it's it's an information exchange yeah like I have boundaries I have things that I need in my future husband and you definitely do in your future wife so let's just cut to the chase I'm a good person I'm trying to work out if you're a good person but I'm going to allow you to show me who you are through the silence and silence is so like

Especially for someone like me, silence is so uncomfortable. So it's so much easier said than done. Yeah. That's interesting. All right. No is a full sentence. And silence can actually tell you a lot. Earlier you mentioned a little bit about toxicity and relationships.

And now you're talking about kind of the person and energy attract. Do you find that sometimes you are gravitating to positions that put you in toxic relationships? Yeah. And I've started to really dive into why is that? Yeah. Yeah. I think you have, like, same, but I've done a lot of work on that and the why behind it. So I think you have to, right?

Yeah. I think it's kind of your responsibility to do that. It is your responsibility. No one else is, you know? It's so easy. It's like a kid Laurie lyric. He's just released a new song. And it's, I think the lyric says something like, who was hard to think that I could fix you?

It's so easy to blame you. But it's actually my fault for thinking that I could save you. So it's like you always have to reflect. to you and the relationships that you put yourself in. But for me, yeah, I don't know. I think at 26, I've definitely learned a lot about relationships and what I want and what I don't want. But there's a difference between understanding what you want and don't want

and then putting yourself in a position to walk away from something that you know you don't want. Because I've learned myself in many situations and relationships with men that I know aren't going to work. Sure. And stayed anyway. Almost a dozen reality. shows by 26 is in like the growth you have to do to do that is insane i mean i started one i

one of my show is 29 so i can't even imagine the the the you probably feel like a cat that's lived nine lives it's fucking crazy yeah it's like wow wow it's a lot reality so if someone comes to you right now being like reality tv queen and they say it's 2025 i want to go on reality tv what are you telling him. Do it. Do it. Okay. Don't think about it. I like it. Just do it. Keep pressing. Yeah. I like that. That's a good, that's a good take. Just understand the intention behind it. Okay. Have fun. I love it. Earlier you mentioned a little bit about imposter syndrome growing up. You've gone through being reality TV cast, your host, you're now questioning if it's going to get greenlit again. Is imposter syndrome that's still something that comes into your life? And for anyone

that's listening to this, that deals with that. How do you overcome it? How do I overcome it? I think by having honest, vulnerable conversations with my friends, when I get into a place where I feel down or not good enough or it's a slow month, I'm like, oh, God, I haven't done enough. My friends in the circle I have around me are really positively impact for my life. They're like, Chloe, you've done so much. You need to give yourself grace.

One of the biggest lessons that I've learned transitioning through reality TV as a contestant to host is I needed a year off of social media and saying yes to reality shows to then go into the rebranding process of right I've gone off grid for a year which means less money less brand deals less reality TV show opportunities because of the long-term vision what was the beginning part of that question the imposter syndrome the imposter syndrome yeah I don't think I'll ever get over it I kind of invite it as a friend sometimes when it comes in I'm like oh hello Hi, it's good to see you. Hi, it's great to see you.

Yeah, I think it's healthy. Yeah. It's like a healthy fear. To just embrace like that's part of your thinking. And that'll shape what you do. One thing you've done this summer is you're now, you join the Unwell Network. Alex Cooper, biggest, biggest gamer in the game right now. How has that changed things?

How did they find you? Tell me about that. How did they find me? So I knew a couple of the producers because of Harry's podcast. Yep. Boyfriend Material. Yeah. And I really wanted to be a co-host on Harry's podcast.

Okay. I was like, oh, my God, the chemistry that we have. I think he said one of the episodes. You guys get into it, too. I was on. Oh, we get in. Put me and Harry into a room. Yeah, yeah, yeah.

It's just, but he is like, I will say, the 300-some guests or whatever we've had, I don't think I've ever had someone where I can ask him something, and he will, there is zero filter. Like, the first thought that comes to his mind, if you're just like, I have to respond. I'm like, I don't know how to fucking respond to that. I'm like, what?

He is like, oh, and then what happens is he'll have his PR person there, they got to do 8,000 edits because he's just a full, pull, pull, pull, firecracker. No, definitely. Well, he was, he's like the only person that I would want to do a podcast with because we just have such great chemistry because we're such good friends. And then I thought, no, do you know what? Like, I want to go my own way. And he was like, no, Chloe, I think you deserve to have an opportunity to like start your

own podcast or start a radio show. And yeah, I spoke to one of the producers of Unwell and they were like, oh, we're starting a new segment, Alex and Sirius XM just done a bit. big deal. We're starting a radio show segment. Cool. So I started my radio show and I was like, what do I want to do? I don't want to talk about shit, you know? I want it to like mean something. And because I've learned so much about myself and the toxic relationships and understanding myself a bit more, I thought, I want to be a big sister. Yeah. And that comes back to your hosting role. And the show's called big sister, right? Okay, how to talk to us? We haven't really had too many people

from the radio background. How does that business work? Like how often do you have to put shows up? Is it paid weekly, monthly? How do you make money? Talks about that business. So I'm not a talent. I'm an employee. Oh, interesting. Yeah. So my health insurance and everything gets covered. Nice. Let's go. I'm like health insurance. You don't hear that often on. I know. All NHS in the UK. We don't have insurance. Are you on real quick, are you on a visa here? Yeah. Okay. Gotcha. I won visa. Is that a concern just given like the times that we're living in right now? Definitely gives me anxiety, you know, but I'll let God do whatever he needs to do, you know. If I'm meant to be here, I'll be here. If I'm not, then. But yeah, the radio show is great. I love it. Buy weekly payments.

So it's a bit of steady income, which is great. I love it. I have full flexibility of what I talk about. It's with Serious. I go into the Serious XM studios every week. I have recorded once a week. That's so cool. I love it. If you are a small business or starting a business, look no further than nor. Northwest registered agents. They have been helping small business owners and entrepreneurs launch and grow businesses for nearly 30 years. They are the largest registered agent in LLC service in the United States with over 1,500 corporate

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backslash trading secrets free. All right, let's do a little rapid fire. Let's start with this. So any reality TV show, it's not going to be dating. It could be any network, the dream for you to be. be on at this point. I'm a set up to get me out of here. Really?

Yeah. Okay. Of all the, because actually you've been to dance with stars, you've been all, you want, that's the show. Yeah. Okay. All right. I like that.

All right, what is, of all the financial successes and maybe mistakes you've made, what is the biggest financial success you've made? You look back out and you're like, that was a good financial move. That I put myself in. Yeah. Or that I was given. Or it could be, if it was given, you earned it. Yeah.

The hosting job. The hosting job. All right. What is your biggest finance? financial mistake that you made? Buying a Rangerover that was brand new. What year was it?

It was a 20 plate. And how much did it cost? Just over $50,000. All right. I love it. And what is one thing you overspend on? You know you overspend on it and you're not going to change that.

Like unless you go broke. You're like, I know this area I overspend on. What is that area you overspend on? Uber eats. That's my answer too. I mean... But I went shopping today, food shopping. I'll see.

That's very good. got hit on. Look at the growth. And you got hit on and you learned a lesson. Look at you go. You're on top of it. You're killing it. All right. This one was just asked on Barstool and it created a lot of controversy. If I could give you $100,000 in cash right now or a really good strong community engaged group of 100,000 followers. What are you taking? 100,000 followers. Okay, why? Because they will be there with you through thick and thin. It's like if I start, my own company, I will gain that money through those. They will trust me. They will be there. They will listen. It fluctuates into, what's the right word? They will listen to my

podcast. They'll cover every area under the umbrella. Okay. I love it. And so someone that's listening to this, you might motivate them to be like, all right, I'm going to start it. I have a message. I have education. I have a niche. I can do it. I'm going to build it. And I'm going to get 100,000 followers because of what Chloe said. Just take a guess. Just take a guess. If you had 100,000 really engaged, loyal, connected followers. And someone's like, okay, what does that mean as far as if she passed on $100,000? How much do you think the value of 100,000, like, really engaged followers is? Limitless, unlimited.

Wow. Yeah. All right. Because it could push towards any business. Yeah. It could push towards any salmon and, yeah, any opportunity. I love it. I think it's so cool.

I love your perspective. It's very refreshing. It's very different than a lot of people that we have on. And it's, it's enlightening in the way that it's like, you're just like, there is no, there is no ceiling. Like, it is what you make it. And what you make it is what it is. So I think that's pretty cool. I'm going to add to that. So I got offered through it from a company. Yeah. Like just over a quarter of a million dollars, right? To go on to a certain platform. To go on to what? To go on to a platform. Okay. Yeah. And it was an upfront payment. And I was like, wow, is this, this money's great. I can,

invest this money. I can buy a house and do whatever. I turned it down and I had a conversation with Netflix and they said if you would have done that, we wouldn't have had you host the show. Wow. So it's like the decisions that you make being money hungry and when that greed and you ignore that intuition, it will fuck you up in the long run. Wow. That's such a good point. Yeah. If you lose, I think if you lose kind of your foundation, it can ruin your foundation. Yeah. Even when you think of like, oh, that can that could get a house for me. Well, that can also. So you could have lost another zero to your entire earnings because you made that decision, right? All right.

How about this one? What are some of the biggest paydays you've had? It could be on reality TV hosting. It could be podcasting, modeling, social media brand deals. Like when I list all those and you think about one big social media dealer, one big payday, what comes to mind? What's like your Grammy? Like you think about everyone's got like a trophy case, like your Super Bowl trophy, your Grammy. Like what's your Grammy of a brand partnership or professional payday you had?

Again, I would say the hosting job. Okay, the hosting job. I love how everything led to that. And the hosting job is what's completely changed your life. It's your Grammy. And to think you might have lost that if you took a different opportunity that like derived at all from what you were doing and how you're doing it, which is pretty cool. All right.

So what is next when you think about your career track? You got the crystal ball. Where do you want to go? We just heard, we just saw, if you're watching on YouTube, we just got a big sigh right there. I think it creates, there might be a little angst or maybe there's something you're working on. Now, why decide when I ask that? I just think I'm so unpredictable and life is so unpredictable and I have no idea what is next. I mean, I know what I want to do and what my anchor is.

My anchor is to educate myself a fuck ton on myself. Who is Chloe? What does she want? What is she passionate about? I've just started the artist way, the book. And I'm pushing myself into finding out who Chloe is without a partner. Because I've always been in relationships. and they've always distracted me

and I always lose a part of myself. I always say my heart has never been mine because I always give it away to other people. So this next chapter is focusing on keeping my heart, strengthening it, understanding my boundaries and then hopefully it will trickle in like a domino effect into other areas of my life and then other doors will open.

I'm a big believer in one thing at a time because if I think of a thousand different things, ADHD, you know I'll never get anything done. So I'm like self-love first, other doors will open. then. Yeah, I like that one step at a time, too. Don't overcomplicate it. It will come. And it's interesting that like I would especially, I think it's an ADHD thing, planning too far in advance. I can't do it. I also think like someone asked me the other day like, all right, two weeks from now, what are you doing on this day? I'm like two weeks from it. Two weeks from

now is three years from now. Like the idea of like looking two weeks out, it's like, I don't know why. I don't know if it's a me thing or an ADHD thing. But I totally, I get that. I think, I think that makes sense. I resonate with that. And what will be will be. And one last topic I want to touch on is I wrote a book called Talk Money to me, and it's this intersection of love and money. You've talked about some of the relationship struggles and your relationship with money. When you think about money and love and relationships, given what you've learned, do you have any new like hard rules or things that our listeners should think about when it comes to being in relationships and whether it's having open conversations about money or, you know,

dealing with misrepresentation where someone might flex their wallet or something like that? Like, do you have any love and money rules or relationships or lessons you've learned? So I would say with money, knowledge is key. Knowledge is power. It doesn't matter whether you've got a dollar or a hundred thousand dollars. It's like if you understand what to put it towards and have an anchor of what you want to do in your own life, the path has already been written. The blueprint is already there.

So like just focus on educating yourself and speaking to people that have got money or people that know people like if I wanted to make an investment I would call my investment friends or someone that I'd know and I've only just learned that because I'm never good at money with money but with love I think one thing that I've learned recently is so cliche though love yourself first but have your non-negotiables write them down write down your boundaries and your goal posts don't move them. If it's a non-negotiable, it's a non-negotiable for a reason. It doesn't matter if it's 6-5, blue-eyed, handsome, prince, rides a horse, multi-millionaire, drives a Lamborghini. No. It's like, stop. It's not going to work. All right, so give us a sneak

peek into some of your non-negotiables. I'm just finding them out. I'm still writing that book. I'm still writing them. I, some of my non-negotiables is every time I meet a guy. on a first date. My friends always say this. Brian said this to me the other day. He went, you knew you and your ex weren't going to work out.

You told me the first week you met him. Why did it take you so long? And I'm like, I don't know why it took me so long. And he said, because you're falling in love with the potential

and not the person. It's selfish. Interesting. Your expectations are ridiculous. Yeah. You're expecting someone to change to benefit you. You self-seeking bitch.

Yeah. And I'm like, whoa, oh my God, okay. So I think seeing someone is who they are And my non-negotiable would be as soon as I get that intuition or that gut feeling that if he's not who I want to marry right now, I'm not waiting five years. Yeah.

Because then I'm falling in love with potential. We had a FBI negotiator on and he talked about how much bits of memory, I think it was. And I'll finish. I'll revise this in the recap, I was wrong, but how much bits of memory it takes to trust your brain of logic versus your intuition. And it's 500,000 to one, the power of your intuition over your brain. And so he has to think about that as he's dealing with these crazy hostage situations and the people he's dealing with.

He has to always tell himself, like, I've learned so much. I know so much. It's my intuition in this situation in a second that will overpower your brain like every single day of the week. So I think that is, I think that's the answer. It's like you're non-negotiable is listen to yourself, listen to your intuition. The last question I got for you is we talked about Chloe as a kid. You talked about some of your struggles at home, maybe even with your father

and just in the area that you grew up. You now look at how far you've come. You're out in Hollywood. You're doing it. Hosting Netflix shows, almost a dozen reality shows, a couple of millions of followers on Instagram. If you had to say something to that younger version of Chloe, knowing where you're at now, what message would you tell her about anything related to money,

your professional or just personal navigation? What would I say to a, it wouldn't even be a conversation. It would be something simple like, keep on being weird. I love that. Honestly. Yeah. Keep being weird. Do your thing. Keep being weird. Put goalposts up, but do it your way. Yep. Keep being weird. Stay grounded in your family. Yeah. And just always be open-minded. Always. The sky's the limit. sky's the limit all right well chloe we got to wrap with the trading secret so it's something unique to you can't learn from a professor or a ticot tutorial only from your experience so what is one trading secret you can leave us with one of the reasons why i won top model was because there was

a secret judge in the the makeup room and she was doing my makeup and one of the reasons why i won the show was because i was so kind and i didn't know she was a secret judge and i think that has manifested in my life time and time again. So my trading secret would be always lead with love and always lead with kindness. Wow. I love that. Is that a trading secret? Or should it be like crypto or something? No, no, no, no, no. No, that's exactly what the trading secrets are. They're special to your experience. That's it. Don't lead with ego. Stop being an asshole. Yeah. No, who you meet on your way up is who you meet on your way down and treat every single person regardless of their title or who they are, the power, the wealth of the fame, the way you would treat everybody.

I think that's a great trading secret. And I think the one treat, I always like to say, what's my trading secret? I learned from you. I think it's that this world especially, there's so much comparing out there and there's so much just noise. And I think because of that, we put so much pressure on ourselves to like, we got to get a certain place. We need direction.

We need a, tell me exactly what to do. What are the steps? And I think in your life, what you've done is you've kind of walked blindly with so much confidence in who you are. And so everyone that's so that's listening that's like, I got to get this raise. I got to get this next title. Sometimes just like walk blindly in all directions, whether you're being paid or not. And like life will happen. And like you will you will magnify the right energy and the right opportunities just by just being you not trying to force something. That's what it feels like a lot of your journey's been, which is pretty cool.

A hundred percent. I think if you eliminate that full sense of control. Yeah. Because we don't really control anything. Yeah. True. you know like we can control what room we walk in and walk out of but I think understanding what we can and can't control is a massive thing for me because I'm like if it happens or doesn't happen it's fine I'm going to be okay either or so even if you are wanting that raise or wanting that promotion if it doesn't happen it's not because of you it's you might have a bigger better promotion or you might move to LA in the next couple weeks and you don't know about it so you're always leading with an open heart and an open

mind. I love it. All right. Chloe, where can everyone find everything you have going on? Oh my God, I'm everywhere. No, I'm joking. Certainly Netflix. No, definitely. You've got watching on Netflix. Oh my God. All the bloopers are on there. The radio show, Sirius XM, it's on the SiriusXM app. Big Sister with Chloe Veech. And social is just it's Chloe Vech. All right. Guys, go give her a follow. Listen to the radio show and Chloe. Thank you so much for On Trading Secrets. Thank you. Ding, ding, ding. We are closed in the bell. to the last episode of 2025 to think we started this podcast so many years ago and we are rolling in hot to 26. Before I kick it to you, Curious Canadian, please remember to give us five stars. And if you have any

questions you want me to ask, when I'm in the hot seat on JTA, please put those in the reviews. And David will make sure to ask me. Now, if you're new to the show, you might not know that once a year, every year, I'm not the host, I'm in the hot seat. The same hot seat I put my guess in. And David, the one the only, the Curious Canadian is actually the host drilling me with all my questions from the year prior. But enough of me, enough of JTA. Let's get into the recap with the one the only of the Curious Canadian, talk a little Chloe. Yes, let's talk all things, Chloe.

And thank you for the plug for the JTE there. Get those questions. And it's going to be another electric episode. But listen, Chloe here, this episode, it was so different. than what I was expecting for all the right reasons. Okay, well then I got to ask you now, I'm the curious guy. What were you expecting? Anyone who's seen her on TV expects, she brought the energy.

She's very self-admittedly loud and bubbly and kind of like out there. And I think the thing that really shocked me the most in hearing this was that she's only 26 years old. And I say that because she's been on our TVs for I feel like a decade, like since I've been watching reality TV since season one of Too Hot to Handle. And it just seems like I would have expected her to be in early 30s just off of TV experience to know that she's only 26, know that she's grown so much, that she's been through so much. And you really just got to see a way more, just a different side of her, a deeper side of her, a more mature side of her, a side that we would, I'd love to have her on a recap and get in the weeds with her

because that felt like, you know, you and me sitting down getting in the weeds that you were getting in the weeds with her. I learned so much about her. I have so much more grace towards her and just have how I think of her as a TV personality and a human being. I love some things that she said. I really was pleasantly blown away and surprised with the episode

and it's a credit to her and it's a credit to you as well. Yeah, I mean, you know, I have been in, let's say, her presence maybe like three or four times and every time I've been in her presence, like I have nothing but amazing things to say. She's simply lovely.

and I had never seen any of the shows that she was on, like those seasons, other than preparing for this episode. So I didn't know what to expect or how deep you would get. I just knew that within such a short period of time, she had almost taken every single turn into reality TV up to hosting, and I was just so excited for this episode. I'm good to hear that your expectations were different and that they were even exceeded. What else you think? Well, I'm going to start with.

some business side of the things. And then we'll get a little bit in the weeds a little later in this recap. But business-wise, when it comes to Chloe, here she is. She's been on 10 reality TV shows at the age of 26, which is insane. Crazy.

Some of them paid. I mean, dude, I've been on one. And I'm like not meant, like I'm a mess. Like, I don't know, 10 at 26 is unbelievable. Some paid, some not paid. She's already hosted. Here's what I don't get, okay?

She was very open about financial. and money in this episode. Her biggest deal to date that she's ever done is the hosting gig for Sneaky Links on Netflix. Pretty clear it was $100,000. I went on after her socials. Jason, she has 1.8 million followers on Instagram. And biggest deal she's ever done is 100K. We've talked deals. I, we've, you know, JTA will talk to your biggest deal. You got way, you got half the amount of followers that she does. I know engagement's a big thing. Is she a rewired client? If not, Can we get her on? Can we help our girl out?

Because those numbers, listen, we're not turning up our nose of things here. This is for the people. This is education. I was shocked that she hasn't had more success monetizing her socials with such a big following. Yeah, I mean, we've talked about that in this podcast. We'll continue to talk about this podcast, especially as the creator, Conno, you may,

just continues to scale into a larger and larger business. But truly, truly, I mean, this following is just such a small, small, small nuance in the world of monetization. A lot of it is brand engagement and it just there's a lot that goes with it. That being said, David, I think to your question, I don't know the analytics. If we went through the analytics, what I might find, what I have found in the past with a lot of people that have, let's just say a dominance in Netflix reality shows, and or international reality shows is that a large percentage of their following

isn't based in the US and the majority of these deals that you're seeing from other creators and influencers that come on like Remy Bader have talked about and I've talked about a bunch of people have talked about probably have over 85%

U.S.-based following. That's why the U.S.-based companies have greater budgets towards that. I don't know. I have no idea. That could just be speculation. I have no idea. do you think because she like popped off the scene on too hot to handle things like that we've i mean

the second ever podcast we ever did second ever episode we ever did we talked about the ratings bucket pg versus r rated versus do you think that because she was on too hot to handle and she is loud and boisterous and has no filter that that also maybe hurts some some opportunities yeah for anyone that doesn't know the second episode ever mind you we're almost on 300 episode 300 but the second episode ever, was with the CEO of Viral Nation, one of the largest social and digital marketing agencies in the world. And he talked about this scaling system that there's technology out there that will take your profile and they will tell brands if you're G rated, PG-rated, PG-13, R-rated and the people that get the biggest deals are G-rated and the people that will get,

like, let's call it, like smaller budget deals and or riskier type brands are like the PG-13. and R-rated. I think possibly, David, again, this is all speculation. I have to, like, really sit down with her and talk to her, that some of these shows and maybe some of the nuances of, like, you know, her and Harry Jousie, I kind of have, like, similar branding, have been on similar shows a little bit. Obviously, they're night and day. I don't want to compare the two, but that might be putting you in a bucket in which you're, I guess, the size of your deals or the type of deals are going to be somewhat limited. Like, when I go back and I look at David, my past in this whole space of creator and influencing and all that, right? My biggest

deals, by a long shot, there's nothing even close that touches it, are going to be finance and like insurance type deal. Interesting. When I go through the process of possibly getting like a big tech gig or insurance or a bank or financial institution, the vetting process, man, it's insane. They'll pull up full reports of every single thing you've ever said on TV, every single comment you've ever written. And if there's one flag, you're out of their system. And those are the biggest deal. So the smallest flag can put you in a position where you might not be getting some of the

biggest opportunities out there, if that makes sense. That makes perfect sense. I haven't... And again, that's not saying, though, that Chloe's getting flagged at all. I'm just trying to give perspective from an agency approach. Because obviously, she's had a ton of success. But to your question, when you're starting to think through maybe some of the numbers or some of the branding. Those are really good thoughts. But I would have to sit down with her and go through

that and, you know, I don't have those answers. Well, what I do love about her is how honest and vulnerable she is. And she said that she didn't even realize until really the last two years that she was the business, that she can get the business, that she is a brand. And so that was really inspiring to see that. And then she also talked about how she's really never been single and being in relationships gets less opportunities. And then it was really interesting to hear her talk about how she was staying in toxic relationships because since the toxic relationship was already losing her upwards of $100,000 in deals,

she would try so hard to make it work. She would try so hard to post to make it relevant, to make people like, you know, believe in what they're doing and really seeing how it costs her. So just a really interesting insight to the business side of her, the successes that she has and those things. Did you feel that in the room with her?

Do you have any takeaways from that as well? I mean she's extremely successful. She's extremely smart. And I think what's most impressive about her is her depth and her ability to learn at the speed she does. When this episode ended, I will tell you this, I can't think of an episode this has ever happened to me. But when we ended, we talked for a little bit, we chit chatted. You know, Mark Colster was there and Evan were there just chichette a little bit. And then as she was leaving, I just said, hey, I could be wrong with this. it's just my intuition talking out loud. I feel like you're going through it a little bit and I feel like you are going to break through in 2026 into like a light that you have never even seen before. Like I could be wrong. I read could be off.

I just want you to know like I'm feeling that. And she kind of like looked and like stared for a little bit and she's like, that really means a lot. And she's like, you are right and I really appreciate it. And she talked a little bit even on this episode or at least alluded to that a little bit. Well, it's amazing that you said that because I'm fortunate enough sometimes

when I'm listening to the podcast, getting ready for this, that I get 10 seconds prior to record and 10 seconds after record. 10 seconds after record, her face and her reaction was like, oh my God, that was so fun. I've never been asked those questions. And you and Evan were in the room,

like, you did great. You crushed it. That was amazing. I hope maybe there's a little bit of a light bulb that went off where it's like, wow, I can talk about this. this stuff. I'm really good at talking to this stuff. I'm really relatable talking about this stuff. And to your point, if you've had that conversation, maybe she does take some of that

brings it into 2026 with her because, man, she is relatable. She talked about that she just learned what a mortgage is five years ago. Like, that is relatable. Like, talked about how oblivious she was about the business and she didn't know she was the business until two years ago. I mean, she had some lines in there about just how good of a human she is, which I have some quoted. I will get to them at some point. But this was a, like I said at the start of this, I learned so much more about her and it was, the episode was so different for everything that I wasn't expecting for all the right reasons. So there's some good, yeah, because it was like, I mean, I think in all there, the cool thing about this show is it breaks down these walls of your personal life, your

professional life, and your financial life. Because that's the world we're all living in. When we show up to work, we're bringing, whether we try to or not, we're bringing the things that shape us personally to the workplace, and those things bring to the financial education space. And what I loved about this episode, it was like such a beautiful, like, I would say, like, mosaic of all that. Like, we talked the depths of what she has gone through with her parents and how that has, like, been a big part of her growing up, and her branding, and her living on her own, her doing her own thing, and her value of money. And I think that was maybe the best part about this episode is, like, the depths of this episode. Like, if you can't learn something

about connecting with yourself or learning from your past or growing for the future tomorrow from what we just learned from Chloe, I don't know what more you need. The three quotes that I'm going to say right now and you can react to them and then I'm going to tell you how they are so relatable to me because it actually mimics,

and I've said on this podcast, my life mantra too. I love when she said no is a full sentence. That was like unbelievable. That is a mic drop. That is a mic drop. I loved how she said if you're a good person and you lead with intention

and you trust your intuition, everything falls into place. That's like, okay, 2026 coming. And then I loved how she said at the end, how she was like her training secret. The only reason that she won the top model is because she was so kind to a secret judge and she was just being herself around them. And so just as that,

and that's what related to my mantra and those, I've probably said it five times on this podcast before. I live by my life by three rules. Do something that you love. Do it to your best ability. and treat people right along the way. And if you do all those three things,

the opportunities that you want in life will come up, you'll feel fulfilled and you'll be able to live a life that when you look back on, be able to be like, okay, I'm proud of what I just did. So I found that really relatable between her and myself, which kind of wrapped a ball in the episode for me. Yeah, and if I could take anything, I think that's a beautiful thing.

It's always fun to relate to their story, their takeaways, their trading secrets, the things you live by that have shaped you. And I think the one that has stuck and shaped me and like a trading secret I'll make sure to take from this one is definitely that no is a full sentence right like no ends at no and I think the other thing that connects to that connects to my life is I over explain I over defend I over everything like I just that's what they do and like one thing I've worked in therapy on is children explain adults in form and there's so many times I go to

my childhood self like well no you didn't think about it like this like when I said this I really meant adults inform children explain like period and the story and so yeah I think sometimes we all get into our childhood self especially when you think about like the holiday oh god family and there's triggers and you want to over explain or you start to see your anger go up or down or loneliness or sadness like that's what I think what's cool about this episode it probably connects to a lot of people in a lot of ways right now based on what's happening and and one last thing that I'm going to say that I'm going to take it to jTA with me so you better be get ready to for this because I'm going to put you to the screws on this one.

You and her were in agreeance and related on some ADHD things and you said you both have the inability to not be able to think two weeks ahead. Two weeks ahead. It feels like three years ahead for you. I'm going to grill into

you on JTA about is that an ADHD thing or is that a you thing and has that had to do with where you've been and will that change with where you're going. If you're picking up what I'm putting down get comfortable in that hot seat because we're going to go there in JTA 2025. I think it's probably a blend, but we're going to go there.

We're going to go in places we haven't gone before. JTA is coming up. It's going to be exciting. Always our best episode of the year. So I'm excited about that. Chloe, if you're still with us on the recap, you are a star and we can't wait to watch your 2026. I think it's going to blow up.

Huge things are coming. That's my gut instinct. David, you got anything before we wrap? I'm still dumbfounded that you started this recap by saying our final episode of 2025. Truly dumbfounded, truly thankful, truly grateful for all the people that listened, for all the people on the reviews, for all the people that follows on socials. We see you. We want to grow. We want to get in front of you guys more.

But here we go. We're turning the calendar to another year, year five, which is absolutely mental. I like the word mental. That's a great place to start. And I'll tell you this, guys, Tuesday of this week, we actually have a whole focus group. We have 10 people sitting down, going over all the different things that we can change going to the 2026, our branding, potentially different segments, or social media, all the things. So I have two pieces of information for you.

One, give us five stars. Let us know what you want us to change. Two, if you ever have interest in being in our focus group and like really adding to, from a consultative perspective of what you would like to see, those people. that are still listening to this right now, you're the people we want to hear from. David, our first episode ever was with Dean Ungler on May 24th, 2021. We might have to have him back, actually. Just, you know, five-year reunion. Just for old times, for old times sake, our first five episodes, Dean Ungler, Joe Galliase, like we said, it was a JTA, that was the third one,

the skinny confidential Lauren Bossick, and Mr. Kevin O'Leary. Wow. Good, good, good first five. Pretty good lineup there. Not going to lie. You know? And you look at our last five, Ryan Surhan, travel with Livy, which those clips have just been ripping. We got Chloe Beach.

We're staying hot. We started hot. A five-year one live show that would, I know we've always talked tours. We've never done it. A five-year live show would be pretty cool. Honestly, it would. This starting lineup was great. Mr. Hugh Henney.

He had to deal with some. He dealt with some real. shit. Then we had Rob Deirdick on, Claudia Oshry from growing no job. So much. But you know what, David, enough of us. Let's wrap up here. Thank you for tuning into another episode of Trade Secrets. We got JTA and so much coming for you in 2026. Make sure to follow us on Instagram. Hit subscribe. Please follow and tell your friends and family all about trading secrets. Thank you for listening all year through 2025. We can't wait to ring in 2026 with you. Thank you for tuning into another year of trading secrets.

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