Trading Secrets - 273. Megan Eugenio: From Pace University to Overtime in the same year, how she became a trailblazer in a male dominated field, building confidence under internet scrutiny, and always being Overtime Megan Episode Description:

Episode Date: January 12, 2026

This week, Jason is joined by Megan Eugenio aka Overtime Megan!Megan has been working with Overtime, a digital sports brand, aimed at the next generation of sports fans and athletes since early 2020. Her engaging personality and basketball knowledge helped her quickly gain a large audience on the Overtime platform, becoming one of their most recognizable faces. Over the last few years, her social media following has grown to over 3 million followers, and she continues to dip her toes in various areas in the sports and entertainment industries, including a recent guest appearance on NFL Red Zone with host Scott Hanson.Megan Eugenio opens up about breaking into a male-dominated industry while staying true to her unapologetically girly self and keeping an open mind along the way. She shares the unexpected path that led her to Overtime within a month of starting school, working just four hours a week for $15 an hour as a college freshman, and eventually signing her talent contract. Megan discusses the importance of education, why having knowledge in your arsenal matters, and whether she’d ever consider leaving Overtime as she expands her reach into new ventures. She also dives into blind confidence, managing nerves, handling her Snapchat being hacked, and navigating the dark side of the internet after a public scandal. Megan reflects on building thick skin, leaning on a strong support system, her dream job, the hardest part of dating, and her biggest tips for succeeding on social media.Megan reveals all this and so much more in another episode you can’t afford to miss!Host: Jason TartickCo-Host: David ArduinAudio: John GurneyGuest: Megan EugenioStay connected with the Trading Secrets Podcast! Instagram: @tradingsecretspodcast Youtube: Trading SecretsFacebook: Join the Group All Access: Free 30-Day Trial Trading Secrets Steals & Deals!Upwork:Instead of spending weeks sorting through random resumes, Upwork Business Plus sends a curated shortlist of expert talent to your inbox in hours. Trusted, top-rated freelancers vetted for skills and reliability.... and rehired by businesses like yours. Right now, when you spend $1,000 on Upwork Business Plus, you'll get $500 in credit. Go to Upwork.com/SAVE now and claim the offer before 1/31/2025.Momentous:Creatine isn't just for muscle gains - it's essential daily fuel for your brain, body, and long-term performance. Momentous Creapure ® Creatine is backed by leading performance experts like Dr Andrew Huberman and Dr Stacy Sims. Go to livemomentous.com, and use promo code TRADINGSECRETS for up to 35% off your first subscription orderQuince:Quince has everything you need: men's Mongolian cashmere sweaters, wool coats, leather and suede outerwear that actually hold up to daily wear and still look good. Refresh your winter wardrobe with Quince. Go to Quince.com/tradingsecrets for free shipping on your order and 365-day returns. Now available in Canada, too.

Welcome back to another episode of Trading Secrets. And let me tell you what the boys are buzzing tonight because we are doing an introduction here, hot off the press of a massive, unexpected Buffalo Bills win going into this week. And we're so excited about a very, very relevant guest, especially given what's going on in the playoff world of the NFL in all sports overtime Meg. So we get into everything into this episode. all about just the industry, the nuances that she's had to deal with, her take on women breaking into professional sports from a journalism perspective, from the athletes being compensated, all the moving parts. It's an unbelievable episode that is empowering.

It's interesting. And there's just a lot. Again, that's a cool thing about this podcast, right? Trading secrets of her industry, her personal life, her financial life, and the world in which she works and how she works at David, how would you tease this one? I would tease it by saying she calls herself unapologetically herself and you get all that out of her in all the best ways in the episodes. And I will say this, her energy, she was so excited.

I think she's top three most excited people to have been on the show. She was like giddy, giggly. And she brought that energy. And you could tell because it was someone who came in the TikTok world pre-COVID, 2019, stayed relevant throughout. Now she's in the sports industry. She was excited to be on because she got to be asked questions. She never gets asked about. And her energy and answers shine really shown through in the episode.

So that's how I would tee it up for the viewer. She shined. She's sharp. She's smart. She's even still like I would call her like a student of life. Every time I talk to her, she's reading a new book. She has a new endeavor. She has a new goal to conquer.

She's just a motivating person. So you're going to enjoy this one with overtime Meg. But David, let's take a quick break here. And let's talk about us for a second. We're feeling pretty good after this. is Buffalo Bills win. I'm in New York City. You're in Rochester. How's your week, Ben? How's your life?

Well, life is good. Let me just, if my voice is a little hoarse in here, I got the coaching voice, six games this weekend. So I'm trying to battle through it on a Sunday night. And I was celebrating the Bills win, screaming at my T. I know you were. I got to ask about you. How are you? First off, can I ask? You can ask whatever you want.

People can't see us. What's going on with the face? We got a little Ross from friends, a little Ross Geller. Is that a spray tent booth industry here? What's going on? Talk to the people. Oh, God.

See, this is the beauty of behind the scenes that the curious kid. Maybe David, things like this, we should start bringing to social media. We should be recording this stuff. It should be live. I think so. If it was live, I don't know if I'd show up like this.

But hey, what the hell? Maybe we'll do something. Tomorrow we got a photo shoot with Tommy John and the dogs, and there's a Wags and Walks component where Tommy John is going to be making a nice donation to Wags and Walk. So I'm really excited about the actual,

the whole project, what they're doing for wags and working with Tommy John. I'm super excited about that. We drove up. That's what the best part about training to secrets too. I always share things here before I do on social media. We drove up in a camper sprinter from Nashville with both dogs for the shoot tomorrow. And, you know, the cool thing is, is I got to do that trip with John Gurney. John, if you're listening to this, don't take offense. I got to do the trip with Catherine Hurley. Much smoother with Catherine Hurley. But anyway, now I got a spray tan.

And this is the one that's like, you get it and you have to shower after three hours. And so I got to go take a shower after this. But yeah, we got to rock. If I look like this tomorrow morning for this shoot, it's trouble. So this spray tan better come off. So Tommy John, for those who don't know, underwear company, spray tan, new year's resolution. Are you having to stay fit for the shoot?

Are you, what's going on? Talk us through your life, how that's been the first couple weeks. Is it, are you enjoying that process? Are you in that process? Oh, yeah. Dry January, celebrating the bills. This dude put a Labat blue in front of me and was like, dude, we got a shock on this. I was never been so tempted to do anything in my life, but I passed drinking water at a bar.

Here's my takeaway. Yeah. I feel better. I look better. I'm sleeping better. I have more energy. Okay. So those are all really real things.

And I love that. I'm so much more productive. Like I'm up early and I'm thinking clear. The one area I am struggling a little bit and I could see where you're starting to see this with the different generation is just the social side of things. I don't, I'm saying no to a lot of social things because I'm like they're there, they're drinking. I'm like I'll just stay at home.

Like I feel like today going to that bar to watch the Bill's games the first time I've been out of my house like in 12 days. That's crazy. So it's like I'm not like I work. I work out and then I just don't. So I think it's so weird that I hate that I like use like, I guess alcohol maybe is a crutch in social situations or just as like a thing. But like I went to dinner with friends the other day. Everyone was drinking about me.

And I was like this is, I don't know. I didn't feel any like I didn't feel like I didn't want to be there. But I was just like, I don't know. It's hard to explain. I feel like I'm less willing to say yes to social things knowing I'm not drinking. But once I'm there, I'm having a great time. Like I don't need alcohol. It's one of those things.

where society has got us to do some weird things that maybe aren't normal and I think drinking is one of them but at the end of the day if you're not drinking you're proven right now that you can do all the things if you want to and if you are drinking sometimes life's hard man

and when life's hard sometimes if a drink is going to be the and that's okay. I had a I cracked a cold one when I got home after I lost today there's nothing bad I needed that I needed that cold one you're sitting here you showed up for working at a 12-pack You have a six-pack?

You just had a cold one. I had a cold one, Jay. And it was great. You know what? I'm going to wake up tomorrow and be like, all right, it's time to get a spray tan and get out of hundred and three pounds. And then I'm going to have to cut it out. And that's okay, too. So if you're, listen, if you're still with us, this is how Jay and I get.

If you're not a frequent tuner into the recaps, you should be because this is usually where it ends up going. If you're enjoying this conversation, a little banter, a little life in sight, stay tuned for the recaps. We got a great episode with Overtime Man. I want to give her her flowers so we can get it right to it. What do you say? Yeah, I think we ring in the bell. We'll talk a little bit more in the recap of takeaways that we had.

Remember to give us five stars. If you don't mind, giving us a review. We have something called the Jason Tells all coming up for our familiar listeners. You guys know. And if you're not familiar, it's where I'm actually in the hot seat. David crushes me with every finance, personal, and professional questions. So if you have questions you want David to ask, make sure you let us know. And you know what?

I'll save any finance tips I have for the recap because we need to ring in the main bell. with the one the only overtime bag. Welcome back to another episode of Trading Secrets. Today we are joined by Megan Eugenio, aka overtime Megan. Megan has been working with Overtime, a digital sports brand aimed at the next generation of sports fans and athletes since early 2020.

Her engaging personality and basketball knowledge helped her quickly gain a large audience on the overtime platform, becoming one of their most recognizable faces. Over the last few years, years, her social media following has grown to over three million followers, and she continues to dip her toes in various areas in the sports and entertainment industries, including a recent guest appearance on NFL Red Zone with host Scott Hanson. Today we're going to chat all things

on overtime. Her experiences working as a social media influencer, personal life updates, which there's been a lot going on, what her career goals are moving forward, and just what life's like in the sports and entertainment space as a woman that is creating a massive, massive audience in there. Megan, thank you. Thank you. That's a beautiful introduction. Let's go. You got a lot going on by the age of 25. This is unbelievable. Thank you. I mean, there's so much more to unlock ahead, but you did a beautiful rendition there. That's a, you need to send that to me after. I'm going to frame it. I'm going to send it to you. Now, for everyone listening, Megan has had an unbelievable trajectory up, but also there's been some curveballs along the way.

There's been some hackers. There's been some breakups. So what we're going to do is we're going to dive into the business side, the personal side, how she's managed it all. Let's start with this. The sports entertainment industry and getting into it has predominantly been male dominated. We're now seeing a massive transition from viewership to pay to all the things. We're seeing the success with the WMBA. Now, talk to me about what it was like back in 2019, 2020, breaking in as a woman in this space.

So it was really interesting going into a male-dominated space because I knew what I was getting into. And I didn't go into wanting to do sports in a way of like I'm going to, you know, change anything. It was more I'm going to come in here and I'm going to be myself. I'm going to trailblaze my own path. I wasn't looking necessarily to be, you know, the image of women in sports. It was more like I'm going to be comfortable than myself because I'm not an athlete. And I'm not somebody that's athletically inclined. So I never had that insight or that background, as most women in sports do.

A lot of women reporters have a background in basketball and WMBA and things of that sort. And I never had that background. So I couldn't really relate to that audience. So when I came in, I was like, I'm going to relate and tap into an audience of like I'm a big fan of sports. And I look at it from a fan perspective and show it from a fan perspective. And so this just might be like my humble way of saying it. But I came in knowing what it was. and I really embrace my feminine side, like makeup and beauty and realizing like, you know, I am a woman.

And these are the things that make me a woman. These are the things that I like to embrace. And going into a male-dominated field, I'm going to continue to embrace those things. I'm not going to switch up myself to fit this like this archetype that people may want me to fit. I'm going to come in here and I'm going to be my girly self. I'm going to be silly. I'm going to be, you know, all over the place. And I think that was like the beautiful thing of it is that I went in with an open mind on

you know, I'm going to be accepted here. And it just so happened that it ended up being a beautiful place for me. Because people, I think, just love someone who's unapologetically themselves. And that's what I continue to be is, you know, maybe I don't know every sports fact. Maybe I literally don't remember the shoes that LeBron was wearing back in like 2009. Like, maybe I don't. But you know what? I love the sport. I engage in the sport. I engage in the audience. And that's what I think really worked for me is that I didn't look to transform what was already there. I just looked to add to it. I mean, right there is a trading secret itself because I think what everyone tries to do is copy and paste. And then they try and copy and paste and they say, oh, I can't do this because I don't have that.

I don't know every sports, analytical piece of information. I don't know the person on each team. And so then they write themselves off. I love that you do that. How does this happen, though? So you're at Pace University. You're a student. Yeah. And then all of a sudden you transition out of nowhere to overtime speaking about basketball. Talk to me about what that career jump looked like. So it was very unexpected in the way that like overtime was much smaller at the time. Granted, they were still, they were still rather large. They were about a million followers on Instagram. I'm unsure what their YouTube was, but they had a cult following in New York City. You know, they were very much a prominent media role in New York and just the culture here,

the sports culture. I found, I knew overtime from high school. Like I knew what the account was. But it was about a month into my freshman year at Pace University. And I always knew I wanted to end up in sports, but I didn't know what the place was for me in sports. I always loved basketball. I loved the NBA. I loved Dwayne Wade. And I was like, how can I find a place here? I thought I was going to go four years in school and then just get like a front office corporate job. And I just thought I was going to go through the mill. I was literally in the business school. And I was like, I don't know what I'm going to do. But, you know, I always had this eye for the NBA and the glitz and the glamour of it. thankfully about a month into school, I met someone through social media, and he worked at overtime. And he was like, you know, the real trip, he asked me to like go on a date.

In reality, I was like, well, I want to work for overtime. Did you go on the date to go to get into overtime? Yeah, I went on the date. I didn't go on the date to get the job. But I actually was like, you're hustling. How did the date go? It was not that great. But he got you into overtime.

He sent me his manager. I said, can I have the number of your manager? And he was like, yes. And so it was like a mutual connect on social media that's someone that worked there. And obviously the intent wasn't originally like I wasn't going to go on this date to get the job. But it just so happened that I was like, hey, maybe they're looking for like someone else to work there. And I'll make coffees. I'll make copies.

I'll do Excel sheets. I'll ship out packages. I'll literally like sweep the floor. I was like, I'll do anything just to like have a little side gig. And also freshman in college, like you just need a little pocket cash. And so they hired me. I think they called me like the same week that I sent an email. I sent them my resume and then the next week they called me. Internship?

I didn't, I never even was an intern. They just hired me as part-time. And I worked two days a week on Thursday and Friday when I didn't have classes. Where were you getting paid then? Oh my gosh. I think I was getting paid the New York City minimum wage when I first started two days a week for two hours at a time. So I worked four hours a week and I got paid $15 at the time. Wow. Yeah. Okay. $15 an hour. And what were you doing? I was doing literally. Which is by the way, like not terrible for freshmen in college. Yeah. But also it was like the experience. to be at the media company. I didn't care what I was doing. I was literally taking out the trash. I didn't care.

I was staying after hours after the cleaner had left and I was locking up and I would do my homework in an empty office just getting my stuff done and then I would sit there for four hours and get paid to do it

just to lock up and I had the keys to all the offices and they were still, I would say like they were a smaller to medium-sized company at the time compared to what we are now.

Now we're just, we're so large and we've taken over and we've expanded so much but at the time they were still so large to me and obviously to a lot of the kids in New York City area and all over the world, that it was just an opportunity to be there in such an honor to even be there refilling the K-cups

and sending out and organizing athlete addresses and unfollowing people on their Twitter and following people and running the CEO's Instagram and building him up. So that was like an honor to me to have an extra phone and like run the CEO's Instagram. I was like this is insane or even to have like the Twitter login like for an 18-year-old wanting to get started like that was everything to me. So I didn't care what I was doing. And people think I just hopped into the job. I did that for a year before I started doing the social media thing.

For one full year. Now, this is a company that has over 100 million followers across seven social media platforms, three billion plus views a month to give you perspective of overtime if you're not familiar with it. So you work there for a year. Yeah. Now you're going into your sophomore year of college. Yeah.

Then what happens? Where's the breaking moment where overtime's like, wait a second. This is no longer Megan that is sweeping floors and getting his coffee. This is Megan that's like blowing up and we need to sign her. When does that happen? That happens in November. 2019. I signed my talent contract because in August of 2019, musically became TikTok. And I remember overtime Tom and Dan, our CEO was like, you just got to get on TikTok. They're like, we don't care

what you do, dance, transition videos, talk about sports, literally point to the bubble of like the sports team that you like and like, say a funny blurb with it. And I think I was one of the first women to get on there. I was 19 and like talk sports. And so I think I really capitalize on the pre-COVID era of being on TikTok. And within the first month, I had 150,000 followers. I was like, whoa. And so I think by the time they signed me, I think I had 300,000 followers. How do you know? So how old are you at this point? By the time I signed the talent contract, I was 20 years old. Okay, so 20 years old. Yeah. You're now sophomore year? Yeah. Your minimum wage was 15 bucks.

It up to after the contract. Now New York City, it's 1650. Yeah. They then bring you this contract. How do you know where, especially like negotiating is a younger, first of all, there's a whole, there's a lot of discussion about women negotiating in the workplace. Yeah. And how we can reduce and limit this gender gap and pay. So you're young, you're 20. You don't know your worth. How do you know how to negotiate this?

And what was it like? I didn't. You just accepted what they gave you. I was such a broke college kid who wanted to make something of my name. I had such a thirst for making something of myself super early. And I didn't know what it even was. But I remember always wanting to be something that people just looked at. I wanted to be a trailblazer in some way because I always felt like I needed to fill something inside sometimes.

And I felt like that was the way to do it. Or so I thought at the time. And it turned into, you know, when they first sent that offer out, I literally sent it to my brother-in-law, like my sister's husband. And I was like, can you look this over? I didn't have a lawyer at the time. I didn't have a contract lawyer. None of that stuff. And he looked it over and he's like, this is great.

He's like, you should sign this. And so we didn't even go back and forth. I just signed it right away. It was a three-year deal. and the money went up every single year, but it was just like crazy. The fact that I even was offered like a salary at 20 years old in college, like doing what I loved, like making content.

Like I was like, this is crazy. And so it was the dream job. And also, you know, the pay was good for someone at the time, like my age who I think I had blown through my bank account at that point by the time I'd gone my sophomore year. You know, you work over the summer and then the money goes within months, especially New York City. Oh my gosh. But yeah. And so I accepted the first.

offer. I was never going to say no. I knew overtime was the place for me. Was it structured that there's incentive for performance to, or was it just a salary? It was just a salary. And it was, the first year, it was an amount. And then the second year, it went up. And then the third year, it went up. And then you can resign, you know, if you get offered that. So we'll renegotiate then in the three years. After the three years. Okay. So you tell me if you get to give me this. They started you have 15. Did it at least was it double that per hour? It was at least 30 bucks an hour? Or what can you share about it? I have, I wonder if I wonder if I can, like, share the numbers.

It was my old contract, and it was, like, years ago. And think, I'm not working nine to five. Like, think I'm not working nine to five. I'm working, like, at the most random times, like, maybe, like, once or twice a week. Like, really, for what I was getting paid, the work and also the opportunity of it was well worth it. But, like, the first year... Let me guess. Okay, you can guess.

I'll guess. First year, and you have 300,000 followers. Yeah. It's 2019, so it's not as, like, still trying to figure it out. Yeah. 70 grand. Oh my gosh. Wait, I'm so flattered.

No. 50 grand. That was the second year. That was the second year. 40 grand. So when 40, 50, 60? I think it was 30, 50, 65. Okay.

Which, by the way, I'm getting way ahead of my skis because inflation and everything else. This is before then. You were a college student. Yeah. This is unbelievable. Getting offered $30,000. Oh, my God. Yeah.

It's unbelievable. Yeah. So did you at all think about, okay, I just got a three-year deal. I wanted to get into this. Yeah. Now I'm spending all this money. school. Did you think about leaving school? No. I always, I value education. I love education. I know a lot of people, there's so many avenues nowadays, and I support people who don't need education or want education

anymore. But personally, I love learning and I love growth. And I love the structure of school. And I want to go back and get even get my master's. But there was a moment where I was like, do I need school? But I think it was just more the idea of like so many other people do that, that I was like, should I even have, like, I should think about it? It's like when like you get famous and you're like, should I go to L.A.? Everyone has the idea. But I never fully believed in it. So I never believed in leaving school, I toggled with the idea for maybe like a week. Okay. But it was, you know, nothing is guaranteed.

Even right now, I wouldn't even, if I was in school right now, I still wouldn't leave school. You know, nothing is guaranteed. And I liked the idea of getting a degree and having it. So I felt like it was a flex to me and myself. When I looked in the mirror, I wanted to have a degree. I did change my major, though, when I started actually getting more into it. So I was in the business school.

And instead of doing accounting and finance and all these things and econ, I was like, let me just switch to media and communications where it really did light and the workload regardless. I love it. That is awesome. On all your handles now, it's Overtime Megan. So Instagram, overtime Megan, TikTok, Overtime Megan, X, YouTube, etc. Well, YouTube is just your Meg on the mic with Overtime Megan, which I was on her show. So go check it out. She was drilling me. She got some really good questions there. So definitely check that episode out. But overtime Megan, do they own that IP or do you own it? I own it. So that has been my Instagram. The Instagram itself has been my Instagram I've owned since I was in sixth grade.

Okay. And obviously the usernames have changed at first. You know, my first. ever username in 2012 was Sparkles 17 and now overtime Megan but it's more of so the whole overtime and the name thing is a very common thing in our company and it's to build community you know to have like a nickname to have a thing to relate back to instead of just having your name and building your name and then having to make people have to make that connection on their own they already just naturally make that connection so it's for it's for brand recognition it's a really smart tactic and you know people literally call me overtime like when kids see me on the street they're like overtime OT and i respond to that

So, like, no one even calls me Megan anymore. The kids in the train will be like, O.T. And I'm just like, hi. Like, it's cute, though. It's like they really did a good job making that their community and that their thing. It just works so well. I love it. This is a conversation I had with Brianna Chicken Fry.

She was with Barstool, right? And she told me a story about that she was offered a million dollars to leave Barstool. And she didn't take that because she saw the infrastructure, the company and the long-term run with it. Hindsight, great move for her based on her success. Yes. If you were offered a big offer like that, a million bucks to leave, would you leave overtime? Or is there a number that would get you to go out on your own? Or what's your take on that? Never. Really? I think if overtime has given me the tools and then I've taken them and built what I've built alongside them. And it's such a partnership and it's so cohesive and we've grown so much together. But like I said, even at the time, like overtime was so much smaller. And like the high. was that they were going to go crazy and big. And now we have a football league, we have a boxing, a boxing league, we have a basketball

league that is wildly successful. We're producing NBA players. And I didn't, we probably didn't even see that at the time. It was just visions. But to stay with your brand, I think leaving is like always a bad idea. I don't know what it is, but I think just like ditching what you've always been tied to, you can expand and do other opportunities. But nothing could get me to leave over time.

I would always, like no, no number. because it's just that family value and the relationships I have at the company, nothing could replace that. Like, I can't go somewhere else. And also then, like, you lose that openness. Like, when I go to work, you see the way I was with my coworkers. Like, even, I see them probably, like, once every two weeks and still we're like this. Like, work so close. We build each other up. And just, like, going somewhere else where no one really knows me for me and me in the beginning, it would feel weird. Like, I've been with them for, like, going on seven years now. So it's, like, crazy to think about. You ever have those days where, like, you're just checking things off the box. then the day's over and then you look back at the day. You're like, wait, what did I like actually

complete that was meaningful, that moved the needle? Where did time go? Do you ever have those days? I know I have. And if you feel that maybe you're overwhelmed, you have so much to do, it's probably a good time to outsource. Now, if you're trying to outsource, where do you start? Well, I would start with Upwork Business Plus. So if you're overextended or let's just say even understaffed, Upwork Business Plus will help you bring in top quality freelancers super fast. you'll get instant access to the top 1% of talent on Upwork in marketing and design. Maybe it's AI you need and even more. They are ready to jump in and take work off your plate.

Upwork Business Plus doesn't just help you find quality freelancers. It handpicks the best so you can focus on scaling. Let the pros at Upwork handle the rest. Right now when you spend $1,000 on Upwork business plus you'll get $500 in credit. Just go to Upwork.com slash save now. claim the offer before 131, 2026. Again, that's upwork.com slash save, Save, S-A-V-E, terms apply. It's interesting to see how these media companies are taking people like you, building the personality. So, like, the company's part of you and you're part of the company.

But the one thing I always think about that I think my listeners would find interesting is how do you structure it for sustainability? And so, like, if suppose there's a company like, I'm doing a deal with them, so I just thought about it, but GEICO. Guy Co. comes to you and they got a big deal for you. Can you do it? Can you do it or does it have to go through them or do you have other agents? Like how do you handle things that come to you that aren't at all associated to overtime so that you can have other multiple revenue streams? So I do. And that was just an open conversation I had to I had with overtime. And I think it just comes with growth. You know, when it comes with growth, you have to let your

talent grow. And so me growing myself by, you know, the last two years, not this year, the previous two years, I was signed with the Knicks and Rangers at Madison Square Garden. And so that was not overtime related. But thus that grows my name in the sports industry, thus giving them more credibility, me more credibility, me doing NFL Red Zone OT gives me credibility, gives overtime credibility. It makes me look better the more that I can grow in the sports world. So I do do other opportunities as long as, you know, there's no stepping on the toes in terms of like, you know, contracts and all the legalities of the things like that. But I've never been told to not do anything. They have always let me fly and go where I needed to go and do the opportunities I need to do. Like when I

started expanding into hockey. Over time doesn't do hockey. And so that was also room for me to grow and for them to also have that in their arsenal. Like, you know, so if a hockey company or a hockey brand or an NHL team or an event comes to them, they actually have that now in their arsenal to be like, oh yeah, Megan's a hockey girl. Here you go. Like we'll push her out. So it grows them. And it's just, it's just a very symbiotic relationship. Okay. That makes perfect sense. Let me ask you this. People listening right now, they're seeing what you're doing. You're talking about the Mets. You're talking about the Rangers. You're talking about MSG, all these big places and people.

I want you to give a couple tips. When you're going into live TV or you're going into an interview, what are things that you do behind the scenes that help you prepare for a good interview? So someone could be listening to this. They could be getting ready for a date. They could be getting ready to be interviewed. Maybe they're leading a pitch at their work. But you do it all the time on live TV and on digital in front of millions of people.

What are some of your like hacks to nailing it? Okay. You need to study. Like, I don't care how good you are. with like on the fly, I don't care how witty you are, you need to study. You need to have all the knowledge in your arsenal because you don't realize having knowledge in your subconscious about anything really just helps you in day to day with the conversations with interviews, going on a date, having knowledge on certain things. You don't realize it but does get stored.

You may think you're not absorbing all this information, but it gets stored somewhere. And that way, like, before I went on like Red Zone, O.T, I did a lot of studying of the week prior because, you know, just in case we brought up a certain game, a certain play, I knew it was going on. And even if we didn't even bring any of that stuff up, I had that knowledge in me to bring it up and relate to the crowd. And it just makes you sound more credible. So if you're not doing your studying, you're- So that's rule number one. You must study. You have to. You can't be lazy. You have to have that in your game. Also, blind confidence in yourself. Don't ever, don't think about it after. Do what you need to do. Don't think about it after. Don't analyze it.

Don't critique yourself. Oh, once it's done, it's done. You cannot critique yourself. You can't get down on yourself. I used to look back on some like interviews and content I did. And I was like, why did I say that? Why did I sound like this? Why am I blinking so much?

Why are these weird hand movements? You can't. You can't overanalyze because then you're going to think about it too much in the next interview and you're going to psych yourself out. You need to just slow yourself down in the moment. The only time it counts is in the moment. So when it comes to the actual looking confident and the execution, you just need to slow yourself down and realize, you know, this is comfortable, this is a space.

We're all human here. And sometimes it can feel a little more robotic, but just to feel it and absorb it in the moment. Just be present. Do you ever get nervous before going live TV? Absolutely. How do you deal with the nerves? It fuels me. It helps me. Because then, like, you're, like, all jittery, you got butterflies.

And they fuel me for, like, a really good high on TV where I got all the energy in the world. And so I think that's my specialty is, like, I have a lot of energy before I go on, like, camera or something or filming. And then after it's like a nice adrenaline come down where I'm just like, I did amazing. But really, I just let it fuel me. Like I just like I practice or I talk to myself. If you're going on like TV or on air or on content where you have to memorize something or doing a live event, like I'll just talk to myself and do lines to myself. That's an issue. Just repeat the lines and repeat. Yeah. Like, have you ever had a moment where you've totally screwed up? Absolutely. Have you ever had a moment where you've like blanked out and like is there one moment where you're like that was my most embarrassing moment on TV? Definitely like a live event. I've done. I've done. like something embarrassing live. I was doing some live hosting for some a nitro cross race, which is, you know, it's motorsport. And I remember like that person in my earpiece was talking to me and they said something to me and you talk into the mic to go respond. So I'd given the intro to the segment I wanted to segue into. And then the segment was happening. And so I guess

my mic was still too closely connected to like when that segue happened to like when the person had talked to me. And I went to go respond to them. And my voice went all around the arena, like the whole motor track where I responded to the person. It was in the arena. But you didn't say anything like bad. It just like went off. It was something. Yeah, it was something stupid. It was like talking about like waiting for the golf cart. They were like Megan, go back to the golf cart. I was like, I was like, I'm waiting for the golf car. And that went all over the arena. And I was like, oh. I was like, no. And that was an actual moment because like people don't know if you mess up. But that was like a moment where I was like, oh, like that's an obvious mess up. Yeah.

So normally people don't know when you mess up though. So it's good. That's a tough part about being this industry though. You're always on a stage and then with the stage comes mess-ups. Exactly. Now with the stage also comes other curveballs. I couldn't believe this when I was reading it, that someone hacked into your phone. That was the worst part of it. And they leaked photos.

Yeah. And then while they leaked photos as a result of that you took time off work, you took time off your internet. Yeah. Like, talk to me about exactly what happened and how did you overcome that? Because maybe there's a learning lesson within, I don't know, being on that kind of stage with that kind of visibility that someone could be like, okay, put in perspective of what they're going through, like, I got this.

So creating a life in the sports industry, I have a male following. And I think when it comes to my image, there was some people that followed me for a reason where it was just more, you know, visuals, more attractive, distractiveness. And they were like, okay, cute girl, I'm going to follow her. Sure. And so I think that created a community of people who just wanted to see more and more, less sports and more me. And so it turned into like a little bit of a dark side on the internet where like, you know, I found forums of me and people were editing photos of me in the nude and editing my face onto videos.

And I think it got to a point where that wasn't enough. And somebody was like there's a lot of money to be made here where, you know, there's no images online. There's no there's no sort of lust factor. And I know there's something in there because I kept my relationship like private. I kept my romantic life private. And also I didn't post for the masses. I didn't feel confident in being sexy. I personally don't like that.

And so online, but I did in my relationships. I did in my private life. And so I think someone realized there was something to be opened up and revealed. And so that's exactly what they did. So one day. So just so I have clarity here, they were making fake photos of you. Yeah. Like AI bullshit photos.

AI nude photos. And there was enough attention to these photos that aren't real at all that you're saying someone was like, oh, wait, there's like a business here. I need to get on this. Yeah, because I think when you don't show enough to the world, and the Internet's a very dark place, I think when you don't show enough, people go searching for it. And so I think that's exactly what happened is someone realized like there's a big audience here. And so, you know, you post these where, you know, no one has seen this person in this light, it would go crazy. And so someone had the idea of hacking into my Snapchat and they downloaded me and my long distance boyfriend's relationship, not relationship, conversation.

And then they even added my ex back and then downloaded that conversation and some other things as well. And like my whole, it wasn't in my camera rolls all on Snapchat and my memories. and just posted it one day, one day. But they hacked me in August of 2022 and didn't post it until April, 2023. Did they, when they hacked you, was it like, what would you have done now with your Snapchat differently to avoid being hacked?

Like, I had two factor on. You did? You had two factor on? There's nothing you can do. If someone wants to hack you, they're going to hack you. Especially if it's like a high level hacking system. They're going to get you. They, I think there's a certain way they did it where, like,

you can't avoid it. If they're going to hack you, they're going to hack you. And my passwords are literally a billion letters. long. Like, I make it unhackable. And so, like, take it for me as someone whose passwords are 50 characters long. They still were able to get in. I had a million missed calls from, like, the Snapchat two factor, a million texts from the Snapchat two factor. And I guess they just somehow were able to get, I thought my iPhone was hacked. I thought they hacked my I cloud. And they were able to transfer my number over to one of their devices. I'm not exactly so sure, but

they were able to get the two factor that was on my phone. And they were able to get that information and log in from wherever they were. Did they ever blackmail you saying, like, we'll release these if you don't give us X, Y, and Z? No, that's the thing. It's like they held on to them for months and I thought I was in the clear. And I remember telling my boyfriend at the time, I was like, someone downloaded all of our conversation. How could you tell? Because it said saved to camera roll, same to camera roll, saved a camera roll, all the things that were in our conversation. And he was like, it's fine, it's fine.

So we all check the internet, his entire family. Everyone looked on the internet. No one saw anything. Oh, that's a little risky. And so. Oh, the parent, the mom was definitely involved. Mom was, we were looking. I was freaking out.

But since nothing was on the internet, everyone was like, you're fine. Like someone probably just kept it to themselves. Like they probably just hacked you and they kept it. So I changed the password. I started contacting Snapchat as a whole thing. And I guess we let it blow over and we forgot about it until one awful day in 2023. How much longer was it? This was so August.

April is when they posted it. August 2022 I got hacked. Holy shit. Went through the whole fall. Yeah. And then a whole baby. And April 2023, I woke up one day and they were all over the internet, all over Reddit, Twitter. People were making edits of it on TikTok.

And my account blew up. I think everyone in my life had called me. People I didn't even know had called me. People in the media industry, he didn't even know me were like, are you okay? Because I think everyone knew. Like, I never posed sexy.

I never was sexy online. And so to have my private life blasted out like that was like, oh my God, like Megan's not okay. And so I was not okay. It was bad. Everyone in my life called me. Everyone to call you. But everyone supported me.

Over time, utmost support. They were like, you got. this like you're a boss ass woman like you're you're you literally are going to overcome this but they're like we got it we're just going to deal we're just going to deal my everyone that worked around me even people high up in the companies that I was working all that I was aligning with everyone just sent their support and they're like listen just take some time off take some time off but it was unfortunate that it went so viral but it's because I never had posted in that way before so I think people were just shocked it was a shock factor but it was bad but also there's a

scandal like before too that I'd gotten my name out there that wasn't even real. I had another scandal. There was a photo of a girl in bed with Antonio Brown and they went viral and people said the girl looked like me and so everyone believes it's me. And it wasn't you. No, it's not me. And they either thought it was Giselle, Tom Brady's ex-wife or me. And I was like, what a duo of comparison. You're like, I'll take the comparison, but it's not true. I was like, not me and not her. And so I, like, that was a light scandal that I had been involved with. And I really got to see. That was before this. I was in January 23. So in 2020, I really got to see the dark side of the internet, which I never thought I'd be pulled into as like somebody who was very modest online and somebody who only worked

in sports and just like loved basketball and like loved hockey and loved NFL. So it was really sad that like I got pulled into like the dark side where, you know, people are trying to tear you down. And so that was one scandal. And I had to address it on my story and be like, that is not me. And people still believe it's me. And then in the late three months later, another scandal. and that one actually was me.

And it was tough because... I'm so sorry. That's brutal. Thank you. It really gave me such thick skin. It made me realize so much. And the amount of friends I made through it actually in the industry. And a lot of women that came to me that were like, this happened to me too. A lot of women in the industry, a lot of people in media, people from L.A.,

just like people everywhere were like, I see you and like, I feel sorry for you and I'm here for you. Like the amount of support was so overwhelming that it filled the void of what was actually happening in my life. But yeah, that is like pretty much what ended, like, the relationship I was in at the time. So my life took a whole 180. Wait, so that, because that happened, you guys broke up? It was a lot. Like, he was playing hockey at the time. So, like, imagine, like, it would have been just too much to continue our normal lives.

Like, for me to go to his games and, like, fans would come up to me at his games regardless. And so, like, with how viral it went, it was just too much for, like, me to continue my life with him there. For him, he needed to, like, lay low, even playing hockey, he had to lay low and not do some interviews for a while, not do content on the side. Like we're like things that him leaked too? Yeah, he was in it. He was in it. So that's what sucked for him is that like in the hockey world too, hockey is so buttoned up. And so to see stuff like that, you know, I really was also worried for his career.

And I felt like part of it was my fault. And we at first were like we're going to work this out. But then it was just so soul-shattering on both of us that we were like, this is not going to work out. Like it's just not you can't continue your relationship after something. It was because it went so viral. Like if you get hacked, you get hacked. It's whatever. If they post it.

Okay, sure. maybe like a few thousand people see it, it was like in the millions and millions on every social media platform. I'm wondering, like, my like investigative hack goes to like who could do something like that. And then you think it's either money driven, it's revenge driven, or it's like a psychopath. So like the person that hacked you, like do you have any idea who it was or do you think it was business money? Do you think it was psychopath or revenge? I think it was business because somebody saw an opportunity. How do you make money off it though? You sell them. So I think I think, I think I can't actually say it's a it's a case I actually can't say too much but I this is like an opinion of mine I do think it was money driven to take them and there's a market there and to sell them it was that's insane it was crazy like my Instagram even deleting my Instagram I did it my Instagram and TikTok for a bit I even I sat on Snapchat I was like I'm going to go ghost for a bit see you guys and I stayed silent for about only two weeks and then someone I think it was like my boss and he was like you got a show that you're

you're not afraid of it. Or like someone said this to me. It was probably him. He was like, you got to show you're not afraid. Like if you hide, that says I did something wrong. I'm going to go hide in the corner.

He's like, you got to stand up. And I was like, I'm going to stand up then. So I stood up. Let's go. I literally, I bounced back within like a month.

And I did like a podcast after that. I did like a Megan tour. I was single. I was like, I'm going to like get back on my grind. And I started doing like events again. And it was like, it was like the first events back to everything.

Like my first Knicks game, my first Rangers game. My first, like, even working with, like, some hockey teams or hockey events, just doing things that were like that. Like, my first events back after were anxiety inducing, because I'm like, does everyone know? Everyone knows. Everyone knew. Everyone knew and no one cared. No one cared. The only people that cared are, like, the incels and trolls online. They're like, oh, ha-ha. Yeah, the weird. But real people in the business, like, no stuff happens. Like, like, no one in the industry disagreed or made fun of me. In fact, it was just so much support that I was like, I feel good. But it is the thick skin you have to build for all the trolls. online who are going to make fun of you and make edits out of it. Edits. They made edits.

It's unbelievable. It's so bad. It's sick. It's unbelievable that you had to deal with that. You know, it's interesting. I just talked to an insurance broker. And one thing he's like, I think you should think about is called social media disruption or internet disruption insurance. And essentially what the idea behind this is like, if something disrupts your business, which is generating revenue consistently through the internet, then like it insures you. For someone like yourself, like when something like this happens and you shut everything down, like, how do you still work? Or do you, did overtime just say, like, we'll support?

Like, how do you actually still earn a living when you have to shut down everything that drives a living because of some scumbag that did this to you? Unfortunately, it was more just the mental toll. So, like, actually when it came to work, it didn't truly affect that much. I just laid low. And no one blamed me for it. Like, overtime was like, take your time. Of course not.

Take as much time as you want. Yeah, I didn't come back into the office for like, I think a month or so to like film anything. And then even like at events and whatnot, like I was still getting paid and I was still going to events. But I like like a month after. Like I think I took a month off. But like it really didn't affect me. It didn't affect me financially wise. Maybe in terms of like future brand deals, the people that may have wanted to work with me and maybe stepped back due to the height of the publicity in it and in the PR nightmare that it was, maybe there was some deals that.

maybe didn't go through that I probably don't even know about, but like it didn't actually stop anything. I continued to work in sports. I continued to get offers and deals because I think everyone has a general understanding of like this was not your fault. Like this literally was not your fault. It was your boyfriend. They hacked your, you, your boyfriend, your ex-boyfriend's conversation. Like you weren't like doing this somewhere. It was just more of the aspect of like, you know, getting over it and coming back. But it is funny because a lot of people like said the same thing. They're like, this could affect like, you know, money. And I guess that's like an argument there. It's also.

an argument in terms of, you know, just reputation too. It's like your reputation is almost like tainted in a way to something you can't even like help. But I would honestly look into that. That's probably a really good idea because like cancel culture is so common now. And in a way I got like not canceled, but like people like hated on me for it. And I'm like, what did I do? You got assaulted.

Oh my God. It's so bad. That's so bad. I laugh about it now because I'm able. I processed what had happened to me. But in the moment, I was definitely. not laughing. It was brutal. So for anyone that's listening to this that's going through a tough time or at a time like mentally something happened, it could be anything. Yeah. Like what is your biggest

learning lesson from that experience and getting over it and being through it that like you would give to someone listening right now? I think you just have to put down the phone and realize like if you have a strong base around you, you know, your friends, your family, people that love you for you, turn to them, talk to them, call them. Get your words out. Like don't let any any bad thoughts in your head sit in your head. Like, there were some times where I would actually just, like, I thought my life was over and I kept repeating that to myself or, you know, your, your reputation's damage. You'll never be the same person again. And no, I'm not the same person. I definitely had to adjust and align and rebuild who I felt that I was and what I represented. But, you know, everyone in my life who knew me

reminded me like, no, you're you. You're the same person you've always been. So it really was a lot of leaning on my friends and family. And so you just got to talk to somebody, even if it's a therapist, talk to a therapist. Like if you're going through a hard time, if you leave those thoughts in, I don't care if you sound like a broken record

to whoever you're talking to. Just keep getting it out until it's out of your head and you have to speak it out. Because really, like, bad energy and bad feelings, like it really does manifest into like even worse things.

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All over the place. As you're telling me some of these stories, I'm also thinking about what Aaron Andrews went through. And there seems to be some kind of common theme about women in sports that have to deal with this. Yeah. And so I'm wondering, like, how do you deal with that? Like, what are some of the things you think about?

Like, you're going to interview someone. You're going to do your job. And all of a sudden people are saying, you guys are sleeping together. Like, this is like it's insanity. But how is that a real thing? And if so, how do you deal with managing? like these worlds of like like the sexism is yeah the sexism yeah personal life hitting the professional

life yeah like how do you deal with it and do you feel like it's like it prevalent is like I'm perceiving it right now in your industry it's it's it's definitely it's there like it's there you know there is power there's power imbalances there's successful men around you know around you all the time and it does go through my brain sometimes and there is you know there is things that like need to be changed but I think it really is just mindset And I think it's the mindset of the audience. I think if you're viewing a reporter or even me, if you look at me and I'm interviewing an athlete, which is literally in a public place on a red carpet and you comment he deaf

hit, which is like what they normally do. Like if you're making a comment, a sexual comment, you really need to look at yourself. Such a loser. Like they're most likely a 14 year old boy. Honestly, I look at it like that. I look at it as a sign of immaturity. These are immature children. Exactly.

So most of the people that view it that way, I'm. I know how I feel when I walk into a room of men. And even if there is a power imbalance, nobody makes you feel that way. And nobody makes you feel like you are lesser than. It's just like the internet. The internet takes women in sports and twists it and literally assumes that every athlete has like gone through you after the interview. It's like this weird trope. I think it's a way of just it's not actually people meaning what they say.

It's their way of degrading you in your job and your work and what you're doing at the moment. And also like in my head, like I have a very thick skin. I know those boys would kill it to be in my spot. Like, I know these boys who comment this would literally cry if they were standing in front of like LeBron or Kobe or anybody or, well, the rest of peace Kobe. Like if they were in front of all these people or getting recognition from all these people, they would literally be at the height of their life. But the fact that they can't be there, they're just going to try and tear a woman down for being there. So that's what I view it as is like if these 13 and 14, 15 year old boys or even some grown men comment things, which is like quite embarrassing. I just imagine.

I'm like, dude, you would be, you would kill to be sitting in front of like Travis Kelsey right now. You would kill to be in this position. And that's why I know you're projecting on me right now. So I have that mindset. And so like any, I think a lot of women in the industry also agree with that is like when men say stuff like that or boys, you just know they're projecting onto you. Because they would kill to be in that position. But they just won't do the work to get there. And then, you know what?

I'm interviewing your favorite athlete. And you're just making a sex joke because it's all they have to make. I love it. Because they can't make a joke about my job. Yeah, they're not going to do that. Yeah, I can't do that. Think about, like, the maturity and, like, what you've gone through in the experience at the age of 25. Yeah.

And the fact that all these, like, setbacks actually are just fuel to keep you going. Yeah. You're going to continue to just absolutely crush it. Has there been any other setbacks since some of these that have happened that almost caused you to leave the industry? Or right now are you like, you can't touch me. I have, you have tried to drag me down, hackers and all. I'm unstoppable. Yeah, you guys try to drag me out by my mind back.

I'm unstop. Has there ever been a time since? all this happened that like you've questioned maybe getting out of the industry or no? No. The sports industry is so amazing and it's so tangible and it'll always be there. It doesn't rely on relevance. It doesn't rely on clicks and views and click bait and, you know, having a good thumbnail or good title or doing something revolutionary. It doesn't rely on that.

It relies on good people, good sports fans, you know, maybe a few beers, some pregames, all that stuff, tailgating. It's just a really good culture and community that nothing could make me ever leave it. Nothing could make me lose it because the sports industry and what I do has always been there for me. And it's always been my defining factor. And even like I went through a breakup and even people being like, you're nothing without that man because he also has a prevalence in the media world. I'm like, I had my life before him and during him and I have it after him. So there's nothing that could take this away from me. And you've tried.

You guys tried to make me look bad. You know, but nothing has stopped me. And I don't think anything will ever stop me. So, you know, I'm always going to be overtime Megan. And I'll continue to be overtime Megan, no matter what breakup I go through. through no matter what scandal people want to pin me up to, it's always going to be there. So, like, I think I went through the worst, honestly. I think I've already been through the worst, that everything just feels like an up from here. I think the leaks was the bottom, and you can only

go up from the bottom. You're a warrior. You've heard your stripes. You're killing it out there. Talk to me about, like, one career highlight. You think about all these people you've interviewed, all these things you've done. What is, like, the one memory, you're like, this is the coolest thing I've ever accomplished or done? Like, recently I've been so obsessed with the red zone. stuff that I've been doing with Scott Hansen. Scott Hansen's like my spirit animal. Yeah, he's a beauty. Oh my God, he's such a beauty.

A beauty. I love that. He's like literally so amazing to work with. The chemistry's great. We bounce off each other. I literally feel like he's me in like man form and like, you know, a little bit older. He's literally me and I'm him. And so it just works so well.

And like that fulfills me every time I do it. It's so much fun. And then another highlight was like just all the Super Bowls I've done. I can't believe I would be at Super Bowl doing what I've done. Like the first year I ever did it, I literally was like, on the red carpet. I was doing like live events, live shows. I did a live show with Stephen A. Smith. And I'm like, I can't believe I'm alongside Stephen A. Smith right now. Like I also, that's my spirit animal too. I'm like, this man is literally me. Like, I just, I love all these people that I get

to work with. And so I think that's like what builds my peaks in my career. And also like going to the Olympics this year was amazing. So cool. Just so many things that have fulfilled me in the past two years that I'm like, I got to keep going. It fuels me. It's like, it's like a high. I love it. You're just rolling. You're hot. You're filling. You're killing. All right. Now, talk to me about this. I give you a blank check right now. Yeah. And you're like, in my career, this is how much I'm going to earn in a year at one point. What number are you putting on that blank check? Like, ever? Like, this is my height that I want to make in one year. You look at your career and you're like thinking about, okay, this is my career. This is my goal. I'm going to take this check. Well, this is an exercise that Jim Carrey did.

Yes. So he said I'm going to live in L.A. and in five years, I'm going to make $10 million. And on the fourth year and a half with dumb and dumber. he hit $10 million. And he brought the check out. It was all crumpled. It was everything. So it's like his manifestation. Yes.

So like your blank check as a woman in sports and digital moving into traditional. What's that blank check? What's the number? We're going to be realistic. Let's go. Because I live in New York City. I pay New York City rent prices. I, you know, I'm not an athlete.

I'm not going to be making $100 million. I'm not going to be even making $60 million. I think being realistic, I think like $10 million is a good number to be realistic about in the next five years, but to have that accessible, not to have made 10 million total, but to like have that in the bank account. So like build a net worth of 10 million. Yes. Or just like to yeah, liquid cash, just to have it and then or have it in like assets as well, like to have it in, you know, my stocks and to have it in maybe like buying a home in New York City, something like that as well. So I would definitely love that. Okay. Net worth of 10 million. It's on your horizon. Now you got a resume and

you could put your dream job like that that exactly is what you're working towards. What Exactly. Give me the precision. What is that job? I think definitely just being a consistent table reporter on like ESPN on, like even like co-hosting like Red Zone with Scott sometimes like actual Red Zone doing stuff like that like just being on broadcast with the NHL and NFL. I think NBA, I love NBA still. But I feel like I fit more into the NFL and NHL world now when it comes to like reporting. NBA is still so much fun. I love doing the interviews with the athletes. But I would love to like go to like the hot. lucky games all the time and like interview the athletes. It'd be so fun. But on TV, I want like my parents to be able to watch me. So like ESPN on TV, traditional sideline reporting. Yeah. That's for the future. Yeah. Everyone, digital content wants to be traditional content. Traditional wants to be digital. Everyone wants to make the switch. And so I think I'm already, I'm on a good track of doing that. And I like, I love hosting live events. So like continuing to do that as well. But to solidify an on TV role would be amazing. When you go for an on TV role and

they're like, they're thinking about who they're going to go with, do you have to go through an audition? And like, what does that audition process look like? It's more just like they reach out to your agents and they're like, we want Megan for this. Like, can you send in a demo reel? So anyone that does broadcast or just works in the sports industry and that is an on-air talent has a demo reel. How do you build a demo reel? Your demo reel is, so you have to like obviously get a bunch of gigs. And even if those gigs are smaller gigs, you have to do things that can prove your skill and your talent and show your interview style and also just show your on-screen presence.

And, you know, that's what social media does. But just for a formality, you need to have a demo reel. And so obviously demo reel doesn't show as much as your personality might want it to. Like social media can do that. Yeah, I have that from like a bunch of small gigs, like shows I've hosted for like NFL events and whatnot, red carpet interviews. So it's like a compilation of interviews hosting and on-air stuff and like run-of-shows and things of that sort. So you pretty much send that in. That's just like a formality though.

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Quince.com slash trading secrets. So digital gets you traditional. Then you get the demo reels. Then you got the agent and that works all towards that level. TV, we've talked about a little bit on your show. Now I'm going to ask you, would you ever go on any form of unscripted television? Unscripted. Like, would you do reality?

Yes. You would? Because I like the talk. What show would you do? Maybe I should. Should I, should I, well, we talked about like the Bachelor franchise. I think you should do it. I would want to be vying for a man.

I wouldn't want to be the bachelorette. I would want to be vying for the man because then... You want to be one of the 30? Yes. No one says that. That's unbelievable. It's a challenge. Because I wonder why everyone wants to be the main star of attention. That's fun.

But that's a given you're the star of the show. I want to fight for it. I want to become the character that everyone is clipping on TikTok and being like, she's my queen. No, I want to be like the comedic relief. But honestly, I think I'd be a little too chaotic for The Bachelor franchise. Chaotic?

Why? Every girl is just such a princess on there. Like every girl is like a princess Diana on there. And I'm like, I think I would come in there and they would just not know what to do. Would you be like the villain? Do you think? Definitely not the villain. Would you stir things up?

I think I would be a little too blunt. A little too blunt. Because like I call out people on their BS and I expect people to do the same to me. Yeah. And so I think if a girl like was like dogging another girl, I would be like, hey, what's going on here? Like I would be not a peacemaker, but I think I would be not a peacemaker. but I think I would be like the realist on the show in a way of like I would make jokes about things, but I think I'd be like, hey, what's going on?

Like, why are we fighting over this man? So you just a man. This is bullshit. Don't do this. Don't even though. Full New York would come out. You would just be setting the record straight with everybody. Yeah.

I would literally be like, guys, it's just a man. Literally even though that's the whole point of the show. Like, so I think I wouldn't fit in, but I would do it. I feel like you should give it a go. I feel like you should give it a go. You're now single. You got the professional track down. Financial track.

You're killing it. I think take a little of this daying life and go do something like that. I think honestly, Survivor. I feel like I can open a coconut and start a fire. I can definitely start a fire. And I can climb a tree and get some coconuts and whatnot. Can you actually open a coconut? Yeah.

You just got smashed the shit on that thing. There's a certain way to do it. There's a certain place you have to hit. There is a certain place. All right. Survivor might be in your future too. I think you said that was on my podcast. He said that's something you would do it.

Survivor. I would do Survivor. I would do Amazing Race. You do amazing race. That would be good too. I mean, there's things going on here. Would you ever do it? Amazing race?

I would do any of those shows. Okay, well, if you ever need a partner that like... You want to go do Amazing Race together? Yeah, I would do Amazing race. Absolutely. Amazing. We're locked in. All right.

Last one I got for you on the personal life. What's the hardest thing about dating? Like with your profession, being in the public spotlight, being on TikTok, is it hard to go out there and start dating again? I think so. Because you have to differentiate between do you want someone who also has a public job and understands that aspect? But then you kind of lose a natural human connection that you, I think when both people are public figures, you do lose a little bit of like the natural timeline of a relationship.

I think you lose like the basics of it. What do you mean by that? What do you mean timeline? There's a need to announce it to the public. There's like a need to like validate it. And I never felt those things in my relationship, but they were brought up upon me. Sure. Where you had to like validate the relationship to other people. You had to bring it up.

You had to say you were dating. People ask you if you're dating. So there's like a level to it that you just lose the natural timeline of like, oh, getting to know each other. You guys can go out together. Like you get seen out the first date and people assume you're already dating. So it's kind of weird. You have to either block it out. But it's hard.

It's there. It's there. And you have to accept it and you have to kind of just go parallel to all the publicity. But it's just, it's not really natural, my opinion. It's not natural. So I think meeting someone out in the wild would be good. But even meeting someone out the wild. I love that you call it the wild.

Is that a Gen Z thing or is that a youth thing? I think it's a meat thing. I call it the wild because men in their natural habitat are insane to deal with. I can't do the small talk. I can't do it anymore at the bar. And the only men I talk to are normally men that come up to me, which is my problem. I wait until a man comes up to me and they're like, hey, are you Megan? And then I start a conversation with them.

But I'm like, they already have a preconceived notion about me. So what's the wild then? Men out in the wild equals what? The men out in the wild equals like New York City. just generally living my life, like, dating scenes. So, like, that is, like, bars, restaurants. It's social media involved too. You're going old school. You want to sit down at a bar school.

See the guy to your right. And that's your future husband. Yeah, I do. But it's hard, though, because, like, you, like, how, like, what if he's a serial killer? Like, who knows? What if he's, like, the worst boy ever and you don't find out and, like, oh, my gosh, you never know people. And so that's why I normally like to actually just get a man through, like, a mutual

connection. Like, I like that someone has vouched for somebody. Warm lead. But? Warm lead. Yes. A warm, a warm. A warm lead in. It's like a credible person that like says, hey, I know I could vouch that person is not a serial killer. Like being like, hey, I got a girl for you. Like, mine date. Yeah. So I love that too. I love that. But yeah, we'll see where it goes. I don't really particularly like people that are in the public eye, like I said, because of the timeline thing. Yeah. Timeline things are very, very real thing. It's very real. You actually think about it. I think you nailed that. I mean, I think it's hard to put it into words. It's there.

The difficult, there's two, okay, the two last relationships I went were public. Before that, it was like a math teacher and a medical sales app and attorney. So a lot of people meet through work. So it's easier to like meet someone and connect with them because you're trapped. I live in an airplane, right? But I'm living in an airplane to go to events. And then there's PR people. Like, so that's easier.

But you're, yeah, that's a good point too. But the aspect of, yeah, meeting someone out in the wild, that is from a timeline perspective and just like all that. Yeah, people see you out. They make rumors. People, people will make up rumors about, like, public people too. Like, I'm sure you've experienced it where people like say things about you or say things about your significant other that like aren't true or, you know, maybe in my case probably are true. So like it's just, it's just like, or you find out things social media. So it's an unfortunate consequence of dating someone else in the public eye, but normally people just date, do it for the sole sense of like, oh, we relate to each other. But I prefer someone

that's just like living their life. Like a nice East Coast man that I can go snowboarding with or skiing and we can read together and swap books and wants to get married and that's it. Perfect. Sounds like you got to figure it out. You'll find that person maybe on the Bachelorette, maybe at the next door bar down the road. There you go. Last question I got for you because we didn't touch on it and I want to make sure I give it to people.

You were able to achieve a ton of social media following in a very short period of time. Right now it's the hottest thing in the world. There are grandparents trying to build social media. There are five-year-olds trying to build social media. everybody in between. So for your trading secret, what are some big tips that anybody listening to this

that's trying to get some momentum on social media, what would you tell them? Everyone says to find your niche, and I do agree with that. Don't be afraid to try a billion other things though before. Like, I have done so many different things.

I did gaming. I'm not a gamer. I did gaming. What game did you play? Like, over time, like kind of like align me with their Fortnite team for some time. I don't game.

We had a 2K team. Like I was lining with that. I did like food. content. I did cooking content, which I still do out of like my own enjoyment. Like I've done so many things. I've done more, you know, like dating content, lifestyle content, obviously, like the sports interview content. And now I've just become my own person where like I think my personality just shines through. But I tried so many different things to reach new audiences. And I have no shame in it. Like my eras that I've lived through like my cringe content in 2020 to like, like I said,

what was cringe? What was cringe? All the 2020 trends. I was like, I went through a phase where I did like every trend that was happening in 2020. And it was just like 2020 TikTok. Like I'm sure you're aware it was really crudgy. It was really bad. And I don't know why I did it. But it worked? Yeah.

What you mean? It works for you. When you go with the times, it works. But I have now like my solidified niche where I don't have to go all crazy and do all different things that I've done. But don't be afraid to like try out different audiences and build new audiences and try out different things. And then just stick to one.

It's okay. It's okay. Like find your niche and stop there. But like don't. be ashamed of like the different errors you've had and like don't be afraid of putting yourself out there in something that you're not so comfortable in like I was not a gamer and I tried gaming and I've I had a gaming audience at the time so it depends yeah you got to really try some just throw it all at the wall see what works see what doesn't work and just try it I think that's the

biggest thing you're saying is like give it all a shot try it and then you'll get information back based on what you put out there yeah adjust accordingly and then you'll be good yeah all right we got a wrap with one trading secret so it could be a financial trading secret it could be life. It could be a quote. It could be a book. It could be anything. Oh my God. But people can only get it from you given your experience. It can't learn from a professor in school. You can't learn from a TikTok tutorial or anything like that. They can only get it from you. The one, the only overtime. Megan, so Megan, what is one trading secret you could leave us with? Can I get a little philosophical? Get philosophical. The deeper, the better. The only person you have to live with is yourself.

And even in the darkness, your shadow leaves you. So, you know, you're always just by yourself. Make sure you're happy with your choices. Make sure you come to terms with your mistakes and your regrets and learn from them. And try to better yourself every day. You're not always going to be happy with yourself, but try to learn what is going to make you happy and fill your soul and fill your voids and learn what you need to operate and get the gears turning. And then you'll be happy on your own. It's like creating your own fire. And then, you know, when people want to bring fire into your life too and add to it, that's fine.

But never live your life without your own like eternal flame burning inside. Like I said, shadow leaves you. Shadow leaves you. That was a deep trading secret. That was a good one. And I always like to give one like a trading secret I took away from this. I think that was a really good one. But one I've taken away from you is I think most times in life when people get set back,

it can hold them back or keep them back. And I think every time you've been set back, you use it as an opportunity to propel you for strength moving forward. Yeah. So like these things that can knock people out, take them down and never want to literally show them face again. Literally. like that is part of me. It defines me. You can't stop me. And actually, because you did that, I'm now stronger and better and I'm going to be an unstoppable force. Exactly. So anybody listening to this, if you've been knocked down, if you've been kicked down, if you've been punched,

if you've been broken, don't break. Get back up. Make it stronger. F you to the haters. Push in, right? F you to the haters. All the things. All of them. So if we got any haters out there, fuck you. Megan, thank you so much for being on. Great guests. Where can everyone find everything you have going on? At overtime, Megan, on Instagram, TikTok. Meg on the Mike on YouTube. You can see me and Jason's podcast from my perspective. And Snapchat, Megany, New Genio. So thank you so much for having me.

It's so much fun, trading secrets with you. Trading secrets. We'll have to do a round two once you hit that successful, that number, that big opportunity. I'll come back with my 10 mil. You come back with your 10 mil. We'll talk. Absolutely. All right.

Thanks for being on. Killing it. Ding, ding. We are closing the bell after a hot intro. And hopefully what you thought was another episode you couldn't afford to miss with overtime Meg. I got the one the only, the curious Canadian with me.

David, what did you think about this episode? Biggest takeaways, things you like, things you didn't like. What are you buzzing on? Teased it in the intro, her energy,

her energy was infectious on this episode. She couldn't wait to be on it. She mentioned it a couple times even when I talk about hearing some of the recording pre-pressing record. Some of the banters,

she was absolutely stoked. I mean, 25 years old, Jay, been through 45, 50 years, of, you know, adversity, trauma, you know, things that I don't think anyone would wish on their worst enemy, their best friend, let alone a loved one, a sibling, with, you know, her phone getting hacked and personal and private information being out there. And I got to tell you, man, some of the insights that she gave on that, which I'm going to allude to once I get your takeaways, were really impactful as someone who maybe would never think that that is, you know,

really where someone goes and how they view that situation and get out of it. So just like in any episode, I always look for takeaways. And this is nothing short of some really motivating and inspiring takeaways, just how she got to where she is, how happy she is in her career and some things that she's really had to work through in her personal life to get to where she is, which it seems like from her energy, really happy and healthy and more sure of herself than ever.

You know, conflict and trouble creates growth. Right. Like so like for me, it's like this is someone who no matter what is thrown her way, you know, she kind of just, she sits in it, she goes through it, she understands it, and she comes out the other side, three times, more informed, more educated, more prepared for tomorrow. And she feels like she's, you know, you think about her age, it's like she's in her 20s going on her 50s with her wisdom, you know? So, and I think that's a good, to me, that's more of like just a life lesson. It's like life gives you so much information. Do you want to take the

information and make the best version of yourself, or do you want to let it beat you down and take you out. 100%. And when it comes to like so much information, right? The one thing that she said and her real, her big takeaway of how she got through all these things was to put her phone down. And I think sometimes in life when we're looking for answers and we're looking for solutions, we're right into our phone.

We're right into the computer. Tell me how to get through this. Chad, CBT, Google, WebMD, Wikipedia, you know, text this person, text that person, call. Put your phone down. She said, talk to the people that love you. and adjust, realign, and rebuild who the shot she was and how she wanted to be represented. I thought that, in its essence, was like a trading secret chapter in a book where I was just like, well, that was really impactful.

It's so funny you said that because that was a big takeaway. And today I was scrolling and it reminded me of what she said in this episode. And it was two brains being photo scanned under activity. Oh, yeah. think about like two three five 10 years from now that's what i mean she's like so wise beyond her years she gets it she gets it and then her trading secret i usually end with that i'm putting it right in here because we're kind of in the feels section of uh the episode and the recap of it where she said the only person you have to live with is yourself even in the dark your shadow leaves you

i was like oh my god i'm all for the weeds we're all for the weeds here i've never i've heard like the only person you live with yourself make yourself happy if i'm what makes you happy. Great. I've never heard the quote, even in the dark, your shadow leaves you. How do you, like when you hear that, what do you, what do you say yourself? What does it mean to you? It mean to me when I hear that, it means you better know exactly who you are, what you stand for and like what your value, like what your values are. Like truly like what you'd want or be written on your tombstone of like exactly who you are. And if you know that, you can take any bullets, shrapnel, insults, put downs, adversity, trauma, things thrown your way and have the deepest feeling of understanding how that really impacts you and how you want to react to it. That's kind of

my takeaway to that. How about you? You have confidence in that. It makes navigating your life a lot easier. And you get a lot easier with like the people you love too because you start to put people in your corner. You start to create a safety net of people that are, when they're questioning the things you're doing, right, when they're like, wait, that doesn't seem like the Jason I know, or wait, what were you thinking with that? Or how are you doing that, right? Like, you do it with me all the time. You're doing it, actually, perfectly said for your name. You're doing it from a place of curiosity. You're doing it from a place of like, hmm, I'd love clarity on that. You're not doing it from a place of like, fuck you, or I'm trying to take you down or something like that. And I think

it's like when she said that to me, the biggest thing is you've got to know yourself 10 toes down. But also the people that you allow into your, you know, beautiful garden you build in life, like you better damn well make sure they kind of represent the same thing. Because those are the people that help check your shadow, help check your integrity, help check your foundation, your character, when you might begin off the path a little bit, which everyone in any point in their life in some capacity does. 100%. Listen, if you told me when we were having overtime,

Megan on that we would spend the first six and a half minutes of the recap talking about like deep philosophical. I would have been like, no way. Is this the overtime Megan that gets paid overtime because she's like an elite therapist? Did that take you? Do you feel the same way? Like did that catch you off guard a little bit? It caught me off guard in a million ways because yes, everything I just said in relation to like what

she said is bang on. But also a lot of her episode brought me into another recent. thing I saw from Tom Brady where it's just like kind of knowing yourself and your skill set. I thought it was really interesting what he said. And what he talked about is like even like how he sucked at there is, he's like there are certain things in life I sucked at. I was the worst. Like bio, I couldn't do shit.

He goes, but I have a photographic memory when it came to plays. Like I would see the play and I would memorize it. It would take me two seconds. So if you're a quarterback and it's going to take you like 24 hours of sitting in a dungeon, like trying to jam it in your brain memorizing the plays, you're just never going to make it. It doesn't matter. And he talked about his skill set.

He's like, I could work harder than anybody. I could be more disciplined. But that discipline was going to make me about 10 to 15, maybe 20% better on the best time of my life. He's like, you're still like, I think everyone in life is still constricted. Oh, yeah. What's your natural talent is.

And even if you're banging away, working so hard trying to be that next thing, it's irrelevant if like what it is. that you're doing isn't something that's like a natural gift of yours. It's so funny. There's been that whole thing is a big trading secret, I think, for managers and leaders when they're when they're managing people. Don't try and fix people's weaknesses. If you're managing someone and you're looking for productivity, don't try and fix the things they can't do. You have to harness and excel and put them in the situation of the things that they're great at and focus on those. And that's how you're

going to get maximum outputs. Stop wasting time trying to fix something that'll make them 1% better when it's really 1% of their entire toolbox because they're already not good at it. Focus on the things that make them the 90% what separates them and let them go and excel on that. So that's, that's, I'm the yin and yang there. I like that. I like that. A lot of moving parts here. Anything else that like just the curiosity side of your brain? Well, listen to this.

Like you think the viewers will watch us and they're listening like anything curiosity is you're wondering about? Yeah, I'd be dismissed if we didn't talk a little bit about the business, the career track of it. I just got to point this out. I mean, we're talking about someone who went on a date because she was interested that this guy might be able to hook her up with the manager of overtime. She always wanted to be at overtime. Freshman in college, $15 an hour. You know I love a good mindset of someone that says, I will do anything.

I will go get coffee. I will go get the mail. I will take out the trash. She did her homework in the office after hours because she just wanted to be at the place the whole time. That parlayed into a salary pre-COVID TikTok salary, 30, 50, 65K, three years. That's a big time deal for a sophomore in college, owns her own IP, and I just love how she said she would never leave her company. And I'm wondering in your brain when someone says they would never leave the company,

if you're sitting in that chair, be like, well, you're, like, that's dumb. Like, that's probably not the smartest thing. Like, you know this world. You know what she's capable of. But I just love how set she is in her company, what it's done for her. And I also respect the company because they allow her to do the partnerships with the Knicks and the Rangers and Madison Square Garden and take their own brand deals because the comp in this is Barstool and Barstool doesn't allow their talent to do their own brand deals and do those things. And that is why the Barstool people make more money than people expect in their salaries because the deals that they're doing for the company off their own personal socials is probably

raking in the company so much money. It's easy to pay those salaries. Yeah, I think you're bringing up a big point here. You brought it up a Barstool, you brought it up a Meg, and then you even asked me like, you know, do you believe in what she's saying? And the thing is, I think that we went through this, our generation where our parents never left their companies. And now we started to move in this generation where no one stays at their companies. And I think now we're moving in the direction that companies are getting smart to say, we don't want to lose the best people. Like, how do we make this the best for you? Because we don't want to lose you. Now, that being said, we still have boundaries and parameters. And we, you know, with as long as given those, like we're, you know,

competitive in the market and can make you happy, you shouldn't. So like the dream position is to be with a company that grows with you and then customizes what you need based on what you provide in value and that you don't have to leave. With our top producers and our like, I call them like our OGs, our loyal performers at rewired, like I'll customize anything possible to not, to make sure they don't leave as long as it's not putting the company in a position where they're going to, you know, we're going to end up broke tomorrow. Like, you know?

The cost of turnover in a company. It's so expensive. It's so expensive. Training and searching and recruiting and that's time and it's hours and it's brain and it's heart and it's trust and it's all these things. No, thank you. Take care of the people who have made you what it is. I got one more.

And one quick thing with that too is for those that work in these smaller companies or any companies, make yourself invaluable. Yes. Like put yourself in a position where your body. at the end of the review, and I'm usually in this position with the people that are still with us, are we cannot lose them. We can't. We don't have an option. When you create that position, you're opening up such leverage, not to take advantage, not to like slam some over ahead, but to customize what you want out of your job. And then everything else falls into place.

And for those people out there, if you've been listening to this podcast for last five years and you believe in what you're saying, and when you hear this, you get fired up. And you've used it and you have a success story. We want to hear it. We want to hear the raise. We want to hear the salary. We want to hear how you position yourself to be invaluable to a company. Should we bring the voicemail line back?

Well, back. We had it once. Did we? Yeah, it must have been out of service or the battery must have been dead or something. I don't know if we ever actually got one. I would love to. We're bringing it back. You know what?

You know, it's fun to have people on this podcast that have accomplish so much all different ages. It's also fun to connect with the people that are listening. Let's bring the people that are listening back on. Let's bring it. Let's just get into it, David. Fucking let's go.

All right. Bills are winning. Boys are buzzing. Boys are sober. You know, we're just thinking clear. We're going. We're going. Boysmail box being set up.

Overtime Meg was unbelievable. David, anything you want to leave us with? No, I think that I'm, I think that I'm good. I really, I really like that, that little, uh, intro. recap combo that we just did. You know what? I'm tired. I'm really tired. The five week old, he's catching up to me.

The hockey season's back in full swing. The toddler got the norovirus this weekend. He's puked like 35 times. We've changed the bed sheets like 76,000 times. I'm tired. It's Sunday night. I lost three games this weekend. I just stuffed my face with pizza and wings.

You know what? We're sober. I had a couple beers, Jay. I had a couple beers before this. But you know what? I was dreading this. There's nothing that ends my week better than hopping on the ones and twos with you. Getting on the voice.

Curious Canadian for the people for the listener. So that's what I'm ending with. I'm ending on a high. I'm ending on a high. Have grace, right? A little, I like that. End with some positivity. Have great.

How blessed are you, right? All that shit. But you got two kids. You got a beautiful wife, a healthy life. A coach hockey. You're doing great. You had a couple beers. Coach hockey, talk to the boys.

Yeah. It's great. You know, we're living. Life is good. We're living. It's all good. We're bringing this energy into. 2026. I hope you guys had a good week too. Ups, downs, lefts and rights. You came out on top because

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