Trading Secrets - 281. Amanda Batula: Summer House Star on Her Breakup, Choosing Herself & Finding Happiness!

Episode Date: March 9, 2026

This week, Jason is joined by Amanda Batula, one of the most recognizable and enduring personalities from Bravo’s Summer House!After more than a decade on reality television, Amanda opens up about navigating one of the most public transitions of her life — separating from her longtime partner and redefining who she is both on and off camera. Known for her authenticity and relatability, Amanda shares what it’s like to grow up in the public eye, protect your peace while millions are watching, and learn how to choose yourself without losing compassion for the people who were part of your journey.Amanda breaks down the realities of filming Summer House and the upcoming spinoff In the City, how she’s handled rumors, internet speculation, and the pressure of sharing personal struggles on television. She also reflects on the lessons she’s learned about relationships, financial independence, and why she believes protecting yourself — whether through prenups, boundaries, or simply trusting your instincts — is more important than ever.She also opens up about the mental health journey that changed her life, the confidence she’s found in her thirties, and the creative future she’s building through fashion, design, and new opportunities outside reality TV. From career reinvention to embracing change, Amanda shares the mindset that helped her move forward and prioritize happiness.Amanda reveals all this and so much more in another episode you can’t afford to miss!Function Health Learn more and join Function using my link. Visit www.functionhealth.com/TRADINGSECRETS or use gift code TRADINGSECRETS25 for a $25 credit toward your membership.Upwork Upwork is a one-stop platform to find, hire, and pay expert freelancers across web and software development, data and analytics, marketing, business operations, and more.QuinceRight now, go to Quince.com/tradingsecrets for free shipping and 365-day returnsGusto Try Gusto today at gusto.com/tradingsecrets, and get three months free when you run your first payroll 

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Terms apply. Lounge access is subject to change. See Capital One.com for detail. Welcome back to another episode of Trading Secrets. I'm your host, Jason Tardick, and I am so, so excited for this episode. If you're new to Trading Secrets, just so you understand a little bit about what we do here. So think about the content you consume, maybe the authors, books you read, actors or actresses, movies you watch, comedians that you go see. The idea behind Trading Secrets is that all these people that have achieved a lot of success, that we respect, that we look up to, that we can sue.

what they do, we can learn so much about them through their career navigation, through their financial moves, and we can learn lessons that we just weren't taught at all in the school system. And that is the baseline of trading secrets. And what a better person to have on than the one the only, the queen Amanda Batula today. There is so much she has learned in 14 seasons now of different reality TV shows. And you are going to be entertained for sure in the conversation. but I think most importantly empowered the way that she handles her business and her life and all the moving parts with such grace and character in class. It's truly, truly special. Now, whatever you take away from this episode, of course, it's educational but also entertaining.

I want to know. So if you could give us five stars in the reviews and just let us know your biggest learning lesson from Amanda, I would greatly appreciate it. I know she would love to see that too. And I also want to give perspective. This was filmed in late. January. Just so you and I have an idea of the conversation and where we're going with it and what's being teased and how it's being discussed, that perspective is also very helpful. But there are just so many points in this conversation I didn't expect to have and that we had. And I've learned so much about Amanda. And after this podcast, I feel like you're just going to be so excited for what is to come from her. I got to say, too, I think the biggest thing is she is hilarious. You know, in the first 10

minutes, you know, we're getting into the conversation. It's flowing by the end of it. She's just ripping jokes left and right. You're going to hear about what career she dreamed of having as a child. That conversation's hilarious. But from start to finish, the episode's just amazing. And then as always, the trading secrets, we do a recap with a good friend of mine, call him the curious Canadian, because he's one of the most curious guys I've ever met. And he'll ask me all the moving parts of the interview, things he didn't understand, things he wants to know more of, things that happened behind the scenes that you couldn't bring up. on a podcast. So make sure that you stay tuned for that. Now, this is a finance podcast, too. So just a

quick little finance trading secret for you. Tax filing day from what I'm recording this is 38 days away. So make sure you're now getting prepared to file your taxes. And you're taking advantage of all those deductions, like saving for your 401k and an HSA. An HSA is a triple tax advantage account. So make sure you're on top of that. The second thing I'd say to is in a time where expenses are just going up and wage growth is staying relatively steady, I would really, really recommend that you understand what your financial baseline is. So how much do you have to spend a month and are you spending a month? And one of the cool things about that is if you multiply your financial baseline, which really should be 70% max of your take home pay. Now, I know we're all

living in different situations, but it's always good to have at least a benchmark of ideally where you want to be. But you take that monthly financial baseline pay, you multiply at times 12. That's how much you spend on an annual basis. They say if you want to retire, you need that amount times about 20 to 25. So that will give you a good indicator of what you need to retire and how closer, how far you are and where you can make up. But enough of me giving you financial trading secrets. I cannot wait to ring in the bell with the one, the only Amanda Batula. Welcome back to another episode of Trading Secrets. Today we are joined by Amanda Batula, one of the most recognizable and enduring personalities on Bravo's Summerhouse.

You first met Amanda in the early seasons of the show, but what's especially compelling is how much her story has evolved. Now heading into season 10. She is reality TV royalty. Three seasons of Winterhouse, now one of In the City. That is 14 seasons. of TV. Amanda is navigating a new chapter now on camera and off. With the debut season of In the city, we are going to see it all. She is redefining her identity beyond the dynamics that first was introduced to her audiences. This conversation is going to be about growth in real time,

what it looks like to evolve publicly, to protect your mental health while building a brand, and to separate who you are from the roles people expect you to play. We talk about about career, reinvention, emotional resilience, and how to build a life and business that actually supports the person you're becoming. Perfect themes for you, Amanda. Thank you so much for being back on trading secrets. Happy to be here.

It's awesome. I gotta wanna just say from the jump. I was in reality to you in 2018. I've had the pleasure, 2018. Didn't watch, don't know. I don't know what you're talking about. I say that because through that time, I've got to meet hundreds and hundreds of people

that were cast me. It's probably thousands at this point. I just have to say you are one of the most real, humble, kind, authentic, genuine people in a space that's really, really hard and sometimes brings out the worst in people. So I know I can speak for the majority of my listening audience. I say we're just like all rooting for your happiness. I appreciate that. You're the best. How are you doing?

How are you feeling? I'm great. I'm good. I love that. I'm so good. Okay. There's a lot going on in your life right now. So much. Yes.

When you say you're doing good, you're doing great, talk to me through that a little bit. we see what's presented and of course what you share, but also there's been so much behind the scenes of growing in all different ways. I wouldn't share anything with anyone until I'm ready to. And I feel like that's sort of how I've always lived my life. You know, I protect my peace and I don't show up unless I feel like I'm able to show up. Like I'm not going to show up somewhere crying. I'll fall off the face of the earth for three years before I show up somewhere crying, you know? So I'm able to step out and feel good, yeah, about everything. So it's one of these things that you're able to process,

you grieve, whatever it is, life in all different areas behind the scenes. Once you've kind of gone through that, you then feel comfortable to speak. Because that's something you've had to manage after 14 seats. Not only obviously the big announcement that we just talked about with you and cross, but like all things you've had to deal with. Yeah, and there's a lot of it, obviously there's a lot that I have to deal with in real time. I'm filmed a TV show where we're recorded 24-7 surveillance. There's been a lot of tears shed, a lot of anger, a lot of happiness, a lot of joy, a lot of emotions in general.

But when I can control it, when I have control of it, I like to show up as my best version of myself. And then I never hide anything, but I want to be in a place where, like, I feel good talking about it, you know? Makes perfect sense. Yeah. All right. So last time you're on Trading Secrets, it was June 2025. So it was like seven, eight months ago. Feels a lot longer, but yeah.

I was just going to ask you that. You filmed two TV shows in that. So much has happened. And a lot's happening in your life. Does that feel like eight months ago? No, it feels like two years ago. Okay. Yeah, it feels like a while ago.

If you could, there was actually a clip recently that like, it just keeps popping up on my feed. Yeah. I'll have to ask a little bit about that. But if you could talk to that, Amanda. Imagine June 2025 Amanda was sitting right here and you could give her one piece of advice knowing what you know eight months later. What's the biggest piece of advice you'd give her?

Honestly, just you're on the right path. Keep doing what you're doing. Keep going. Yeah. Just don't stop. Don't stop. Would you tell her to do anything differently? I don't think so.

I think all of, and, you know, people will see a lot of this, like, play out too. But I feel confident in all the decisions I've made all the time that I've waited, everything that's gone on. I don't, I wouldn't change anything. Nothing. Nothing at all. One of the things that we talked about in June 2025 was the fact that page wouldn't be on this season. And you're like, I don't know how we're going to do it, but Sierra and I are going to have to do it. Now that, of course, you've filmed this season, looking back on it, and what instances do you wish Paige was there for you?

I mean, there were definitely the whole summer, it would have been nice to have you there. You're like every day. Every day. There are definitely, you know, fortunately she was a phone call away and just a text message away. But Sierra and I did try to, like, show up. There was plenty of time spent in bed. but we, you know, we were both on antidepressants now, so we really were like the best versions of ourselves

and we were going out and doing things. But there was plenty of times where, you know, hard times this summer that, you know, pages, words of advice and just comforting would have been amazing. But I do have Sierra. Two is always better than one, but Sierra really, really pulled through it for me this summer.

Yeah, we were at Remy Bader's. Yeah. Yeah. You're right, Sierra. No, she's the best. She is like unbelievable. She's incredible. I was interviewing with Jesse Solomon.

I was like, she's truly just the fucking best. And what did Jesse say? Yeah. Oh, he was like, hell yeah. Yeah, I was going to say, wow. That's what happened? I was like, oh, God, no. Oh, by the way, now that I brought up Jesse, have you seen that insane rumor?

I feel like a lot today. We need to just clear the air on bullshit. Yeah, let's clear the air. That's what happens with breakups, right? There's a lot of mislabeling that happens. So much. What is like the most obscure thing you've seen? so far. Oh my gosh. I mean, I've been trying not to see too much stuff. There's a lot of stuff

about the business, lover boy. That's been kind of crazy because I'm just like, I haven't worked for lover boy in a while. I feel like we've been very honest about that too. I think at one point I joked about how if we ever got a divorce, I'm taking half. Yeah. That's his baby. I'm not going to steal something that he's put his heart and soul into and worked so hard on. So I'm not taking half the business. For the record. Yes. Yeah, no, there's also mixed opinions on whether or not me and Jesse should get together,

which it's not going to happen. I'm not touching any of my cast members. Yeah. That seems like a safe way. Yeah, no, love them dearly, but I'm good. No, nothing crazy. Just a lot of, like, congratulations, which is a weird response to someone's break up. A lot of congratulations.

You read congratulations. People just congratulating me. It's a weird. It's a weird response, but I'm not mad about it. I just don't think I was expecting. Like, congratulations. Or a lot of, like, we saw this coming. My favorites are like, and the sky is blue.

And I'm like, guys, you know, I get it. Everyone's been rooting for this, you know, since the moment we got together. People have been placing bets against us and our demise. And so hopefully everyone can pay up now. Cal she's going off. Pay your friends. Cal she's going off right now. Do you think that, like that kind of pressure impacts the relationship and what ended up happening with it?

I am sure it played a role, but I really believe in like not doing anything until I'm ready. I was on the phone with my friend, one of my best friends from college. And she's like, one thing I've always admired about you and respected is that like you do things on your own terms and your own timeline. She's like, you don't, I mean, I lean on my friends, but I don't, you know, necessarily. like go to people for advice or complain about everything that's going on in my life or, you know, I really try to like process things on my own and and do things the way that I'm comfortable doing them. I think that makes a lot of sense. And it's just I know how that outside pressure though can get in your head, but it does feel like through your, I mean, we've seen so many seasons of you on TV. We've seen you grow

professionally and personally. And it feels like you've always been, I mean, glamour, right, called you one of the most normal people on reality TV. I reason I asked it. I do feel like you kind of put up a silo and you're like, I understand I'm in this space. Yeah. I didn't expect to be in this space. But now that I'm here, I'm going to do it my way and only my way. And those things aren't going to impact how I pursue my life. Yeah, 100%.

I think something that's been very important to me is staying authentic to who I am through like the good, the bad and the ugly and just embracing that. You know, I don't ever want to become someone different. I think the only thing that has changed is my level of confidence, truly. I've been able to, I got more confident. I feel more like secure myself. Public speaking, doing podcasts, like interviews, all this stuff with something that was very nerve-wracking to me in the beginning.

But I think that's the only thing that I've really, that's changed about me as my confidence. Maybe that's one of the congratulations, right? People are actually saying congratulations because you've grown in a way that like we see a different Amanda now. And we're like, and you've talked openly about that, right? some of the mental hurdles, mental challenges you've overcome, the hurdles, the growth, the time and effort and work you've put in. You've talked about taking on different prescriptions and also balancing them correctly. Has that played into where you are today and even the decision that you made to everything?

100%. I think I noticed like a huge shift in my early 30s. So I'm 34 now. And again, I don't know if it was like my brain fully developed, the medication. you know, not feeling depressed anymore, being surrounded by really strong, powerful women. I think it was like a beautiful combination that I just, I felt a huge change in myself. Not that I didn't recognize myself, but I didn't recognize myself in a good way. I was like, I'm no longer that little girl. Like I truly felt like I became a woman. And just my outlook on everything was different.

You know, what I wanted out of life, my priorities, how I should be treated, how other people should be treated. like what I'm willing to put up with and what I'm not willing to put up with. Career-wise, personally-wise, like friendship-wise, everything. So there was a huge shift, and I think it was the combination of just growing up and antidepressants. I love that. And it feels like you're like, it feels like you're in the stage where you're like, I'm choosing me. Like I'm choosing me. I'm choosing what I need out of life.

And those things change. And I think that's like such a, that's a celebration in itself, right? That's the point. That's the chapter you're hit on. You've gone through a lot. You've learned a lot. And it's not bashing someone else. It's just deciding to choose yourself.

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My parents had these cast iron railings. They were getting brand new, beautiful wooden ones. I, like, handcuffed myself and, like, cried because they were changing the railings in our home. Like, that's how much I hated change. We moved three times in the same town. I would cry every time we moved, even though my friends were all still close by,

was going to the same schools. Like, nothing was changing, but the house I was in, hated change, couldn't handle it. And I feel like now that I'm older, I'm not afraid of change anymore. I think change is good. I look forward to like things being different and things changing. I think to me,

I think like we should advocate for change. Yeah. Yeah. And I think actually it's weird. I said this on my Instagram today. It's like when we talk in like absolutes or we hold like say a friend told you, I'll never do X, Y or Z and then they do it. To me it's like a congratulations.

Like you've looked within to find a different side of you that's open to doing something differently. Yeah. Change is good. there's a lot of people that will watch this and they are currently where you used to be. Yeah. Right? They're in a place where those changes terrify them.

Yeah. They might be in a job where they feel stuck. They might be in a relationship where they feel stuck. What advice would you give them to get into a place where you can take on change and choose yourself? Obviously, surrounding yourself and leaning on your friends and family is really important and opening up. You know, I internalize a lot. So once you start talking about it, it kind of makes decisions easier. But truly to follow your gut and do things at your own pace and your own timeline.

Like you might open up to friends and they'll be like, oh my God, quit your job or like screw that guy or, you know, like get out of there, whatever it is. But you have to do it when it's right for you. You can't make decisions that you feel like other people are pressuring you to do because then you might have regrets. It doesn't matter how long it takes or how quick it is. But if something doesn't feel right, again, at work, in a friendship, in a relationship, whatever it is, it's important to follow that instinct because you're probably right. Well, you and I see some of this stuff, you talk about like own timeline. When I see some of this stuff online, my blood starts to boil because I see the mislabeling and the nonsense.

And that's such bullshit. So part of the thing I want to do today is clearing those things up. One of the most outrageous ones, let's laugh again. I saw this. I saw this. They said that you, that you are pregnant with Jesse Solomon's kids. What? Did you see?

We saw that together. We just started dying laughing. Oh, my God. So that's the most outrageous one out there. That is crazy. We'll clear that up. Yeah, not pregnant and not with Jesse Solomon's child. That's a no.

But this one actually, I think, could be a learning lesson, this clearing it up for other people, too, the idea of protecting your peace. So there's all these articles and they're trying to figure out your timeline. They're trying to back into it. And you've done a good job of protecting your piece. And there was a BravoCon and doing interviews around then. And you're like, what's new? Kyle and I are going through a challenging time.

At that time, were you protecting your piece to figure out the puzzles? Or was the puzzles solved? And you just weren't ready to discuss it. Protecting our piece. We didn't have answers. It's hard to talk about something that you don't have the answers to. It's still hard to talk about it because it's still, you know, even my family asked me questions and friends.

And it's like, we don't have all the answers. And especially then, had no idea what was going on. And it was really hurtful that someone that was like a close source, the couple leaked information that was based off of partial fact, but like was also inaccurate. And it's like who that's close to us is sharing information about us that we haven't even processed, shared, or discussed. together. And then it's like out in the press and people are asking us to comment on it. And it's like, we don't even know what's going on yet. Like how, how do you have this information? What were some of those inaccuracies? Originally the article was going to say that we were getting a divorce. Okay. And that was never the case. And this is the one that came out right before BravoCon.

But yeah, just that like, I don't even remember what the article said that we were like going through a hard time or whatever it was. But yeah, it just, it's like hurtful that these days, it's, people feel like it's a prize to be the first one to like leak something. It's gross, isn't it? You know, even like some of the Instagram accounts being like, you know, so-and-so broke it first. It's like, that's not a prize. Yeah.

That's not like, you don't want an award for, for, like, having a source that is sharing something that's personal and private that we haven't even been able to talk to people about or figure out ourselves. Like, that's rude. It's rude and it's also like, where, like, what's the incentive? Yeah. Suppose, like, whoever this couple is or whatever. Yeah.

Like what's the why? Like, why would you actually? It's to be like I'm the one that, you know, submitted that. Like, that's how it feels. And it's, we share so much. We share everything. We have shared 10 years of our relationship. We have shared the highs.

Again, the good, the bad, the ugly. The highs, the lows. Give us a break. Like, you're going to find out and we're going to share it and we're going to be raw and real. But why does it have to be this thing where it's like, you know, oh, we leave. leaked it like, oh, we got it out there first. Like, we're on reality TV.

You're going to find out. Right. It's coming. It's coming one way or another. It's coming one way or another. It's not like we're secret celebrities and, you know, this stuff like this is the only way you'd find out if it leaked. Like, everything comes out.

Yeah. You know, and again, we're not asking for privacy, but it's just like, give us some time. That's hard. And then, well, you obviously run in your mind, like, what could it be? What could it be? Yeah. And then if you do decide to go move out to. to figure things out, you're in New York City.

And then you got all these eyeballs. And then you might be in a private building. Someone sees you. And does that lead to paranoia at all? No, I will say. Good for you. I love that answer. Snap.

Yeah. No. I mean, I have to live my life normally. Like, I can't live in hiding. I am a normal person. You know, I'm not Kim Kardashian walking down the street. Like, I'm, you know, there's no paparazzi outside my building. But I will say props to everyone in my building that does live there.

No one was like taking pictures of me or sharing anything. I think like maybe they would confirm that they've seen me in the building, but there weren't any like photo leaks of me in my new building. And I think that that was really nice that people were respecting that much. And there's a lot of people that do know where I live. And no one was sharing that. It's beautiful. Yeah.

Did you feel because there was someone who leaked it, then you had to get a statement out sooner than later? Or did that pressure not? No, I was just going to deny it. No, this is, I'll do it on my time. Literally. I was like, you'll find out when I'm ready to tell you. I mean, even when there was like a leak about me moving out and I posted like a silly Instagram story about it. Yeah.

And I confirmed it, but I joked that I moved into a cardboard box. So I didn't deny it. But I like played into it a little bit because I was like, we're not ready to talk about this. Again, like half of our families don't know. Our friends don't know. It's so upsetting for anyone to find this out from like a gossip site or whatever. So I'm just, you know, I try to make, like, I deal with a lot of traumatic things with humor. So I was just like, you know what?

This is my new house. It's my cardboard box. And it's cardboard. And the brand who sent it loved it. I love it. Yeah. There are also a lot of people out there trying to make their own narratives that like there's this crazy contentious event that happened or something they got to dive into. And they'll look at the fingernail being chipped and come up with something.

So I wanted to give me space like it feels like it's relatively amicable and you're on the same page. Yeah. I think, you know, it's, I feel everyone that saw it coming probably did see it coming. You know, it's something that we poured, we both poured our whole hearts and whatever we had to give into this relationship. And I think we both just realized that like we both deserve happiness and, we weren't making each other happy in this moment. Here's a little trading secret for you. The margins in the apparel business are huge,

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You know, so there wasn't anything, like, worse than what? what's already happened to me that happened. I think it's just like growth and, you know, maturing and realizing, you know, what we both wanted and needed out of life. Obviously, you're in a position now where you're looking forward. When you do look in the rear of your mirror, do you ever wish this had happened sooner? No. I love that answer. I was really hoping you would say no. I think everything happens the way that it's supposed to. You can't live life with regrets at all. You did what you did in the moment because you wanted to. So then it's like doubting you. your own decision making. I'm so happy, so is that like all those decisions, because I know a lot of

people, oh, we saw it. We should have. Or whatever they'll make their opinion. Those moments are what defined you to be in the place that you're in today, to look forward and direction where you want to see your life. And without those moments, they don't happen. Exactly. And a lot of them are learning lessons, too, you know. You need to learn from your experiences. You need to learn from your mistakes. You can't have regrets about those things. And again, in the moment, that's what you wanted. So if you see it as a regret, it's like you don't trust yourself. As I'm talking to myself, reflect, I remember when we were sitting in a bar, a bar still and you were like giving me advice.

I'm on a stool, a little mopey Jason. You're like, pick your head up, let's go. Get your shit together. But I think like even in times, there's moments of reaction or like moments of sadness or whatever it is or the person was really mean to you. I think about my own stuff. And I'm just like, even with all that, I still have so much appreciation for every single person, even though I have a lot of like frustration, even today.

there's still some things that like maybe weren't tied with a bow that I hold anger. For sure. Everything's not perfect. No, but like thank God. Like I'm so appreciative of those people in those times. No, for sure. I think if I did have any regrets, it might be maybe the way I acted or reacted in certain moments, but not decisions that I made. You know, like maybe I could have said that a little kinder or like maybe I didn't have to scream that.

But, you know, maybe it could have been a little more polite. so maybe I can have regrets in that sense, but yeah, no regrets in terms of decisions. You do, you queen. You scream. Well, you guys, I feel like it's got to take a lot for Amanda Batula to scream. Oh, yeah. I get very hot when I start yelling too. I'm always cold.

Yeah. One thing we're obviously talking a lot about is like looking at yourself and seeing where you are today, how and why. One of the clips I saw on TikTok, I don't know, gave me goosebumps was what Paige said to you, I wish you saw yourself the way I see you in my head. and I don't want you to have any regret ever. And she was actually talking a lot about like your business decisions and like living in your own self.

When you hear that, do you feel like you have those glasses that page had that you see that vision she sees? 100%. I feel like there was a shift. I mean, I was also, you know, struggling with depression at that time too. And I, there's been a huge shift.

And now I do see what I'm capable of. I do see, you know, what the person I can become and, like, am becoming and am involving into. I see the vision now. You know, before it was very much so like, thank you. That sounds so nice. I hear where you're coming from, but like I don't get it. And now I'm like, no, you're so right.

And I like so much more to give. Now I think a lot of people that love and support you also are curious. You see that vision. What does it look like? You put those glasses on. You look in the future. What do you think it looks like? What is the future look like?

I just want more creative opportunities. Like I went to school for design. That's, you know, I've always been a creative person. and I've always been an artistic person. That's what I want to dive into, just more creative opportunities. I'm not the business person. Yep. But now I can call you if I need help.

I got you. You have a blank canvas. What are some things you want to create? I mean, I have my swim line that I'm working on. We're coming out with more drops for that, which I'm so excited about. In the fashion realm is something I would really love to do or just get my hands on anything that needs like a little refresh. You're an artist at heart.

Yeah. No, for sure. And I have a vision. I just need people to do it for me. I like it. I think I have some people behind the scenes that are on it. No, that's my favorite thing to be like, this is what I want. Now go do it. We talk obviously finances on this podcast, right? You've said on the podcast before, lie in creativity and art and maybe not the financial element of it. How does that look moving forward to you? Yeah. I mean, Kyle's been incredible still to this day helping me with my finances and investing and moving money and getting the right credit cards and getting the right bank accounts. and, you know, we still, you know, him and I, we're friends. We love each other dearly.

So, like, we just had a call the other week about, you know, like my taxes and finances. But my dad's also very involved. And it's always like, if you have questions, you need help, you can call me. I definitely need a financial advisor. Kyle's been literally incredible in helping me, like, setting me up for success in that sense. Yeah. One of the things I really appreciate and love is the fact that I think the outside noise for the storyline to continue, they want to see an absolute train wreck. People are going to be so disappointed when they see us like laughing together. You're just like, listen, I love, I love him.

And it just, we grew away from each other. And I think that's such an important message to share. There are moments that aren't great, right? But that doesn't define your love for someone. No, there's an immense amount of love between the two of us, which is why we've been together for 10 years. Like there's still so much love there. But I will say like when we put out the statement, we were on the phone together.

Wow. I was like, do the countdown. He was like three to one. And I sent it and we were like, oh, man. Like it wasn't like an exciting thing to share. But no, there's so much love. And I feel like putting that out there lifted a weight off both of our shoulders where we can like go back to being friends. And because our relationship was built off of friendship, that's what remains there.

And I think that's really beautiful. It's beyond beautiful. I got to ask you about this. Yes. Because it was all over my stupid feet yesterday. Oh, God. What is it now? Well, it's all the pre-nup talk, right?

You talked about the pre-nup. I love the analogy you gave. You're like, it's like health insurance. You don't expect to get really sick, but you might. And that's when you use it. And you're kind of saying, I should have had one. Yeah. Now looking back on it.

Yeah. You know, how do you expect to navigate those waters and any advice you'd have for someone that is listening? Yeah. I think I'm hoping that I'm going to be very fortunate in this. We both are. I mean, as I've said, our finances were separate. Everything in our life was separate. So anything that happens going forward should be a really easy, you know, split, not like 50-50, but it's like, this is mine, this is yours, like, we're good. Yeah, but that's not the same for everyone. So some separations

can be awful and messy and you do need to protect yourself beforehand because you don't know what could happen. Don't be like me and be naive and be like pre-nups mean divorce. Like get it because you don't know what's going to happen. Get the post up, get whatever you need. We also

were supposed to do a post-up. That never happened. We're also supposed to get my ring insured. That never happened. But yeah, no, I think we... You didn't lose your ring, did you? No. But something that you you also should do. Yeah. Just more advice.

You're a masterclass in life here. But that one was on Kyle. He dropped the ball on that. But yeah, no, you need to protect yourself because you don't know what's going to happen. It's good to be a unit. It's good to love each other. It's good to be a team. But like at the end of the day, you are an individual and you need to protect yourself no

matter what because anything could happen. You've learned some lessons. But it feels like based on conversations you've had, it should all work out the way that you would expect it to. Let's just split things and learn. What's yours is yours. What's mine is mine. Great.

Okay. That's great. Everyone wants to know when it comes to like future living, do you think New York is going to continue New York, New Jersey, like 10 years from now? What do you think? What's it look like for a man? I'm not a fortune teller and I've given up on timelines. Once I took 30, I was like, I don't even know what age I am.

So I don't know what I want to do things by. You don't need a timeline. Do it on your record. I like manifest all you want, but I'm not giving myself like this has to be done by this day. and like I want to be here by them because obviously none of that worked out for me. But it's okay to ask because I get asked all the time. But I love living in New York. I've always loved it.

You know, this is where there's so many opportunities. There's so much work here. It's so convenient. If I'm hungry, I can just walk to any fast food restaurant. I can order from, if I don't like sushi from the place across the street, I can order from five other sushi spots, you know? I don't have like one sushi restaurant in my town. So I mean, I enjoy this.

city a lot, but ultimately I know that I want to raise a family in the suburbs. So I will probably stay in the city until I reach that phase in my life. No timelines. No, I mean, we're still married. Okay. Yeah. I'm still married. That's true. For the record, no more mislabeling. And we're not divorced. We're not, we're separated right now. We're just, you know, really trying to take time to like heal and focus on ourselves and see what happens. And see a lot of articles out there say that there. So that's like such a good. Let's go back to work. When you look at the future about reality TV, is reality TV in your future beyond the two seasons that we're going to see? Do you want to keep pursuing it? What's your thought? Listen, I love filming reality TV. Like, don't love when it airs, but I love

filming it. I really, like, I have such an appreciation for, obviously, like, my housemates and cast are incredible, but the crews that we work with, you grow such great. You grow such great. bonds and relationships with these people. And it's just so much fun. There's like so much fourth wall stuff that like you don't get to experience anywhere else. So if I can keep doing it, you know, I would love to. Maybe not drinking and partying in the Hamptons for the rest of my life. But, you know, I enjoy sharing my life with people. And I appreciate that people connect with it and, you know, resonate with things that I go through. And if I can keep sharing, you know, my struggles and my issues and, you know, my wins and my losses, and that helps people.

I want to continue doing that. I think that people that watch everything you do in our fans' years want to see it all. I think now more than ever, like, give me all the man of a tula I can possibly get. If you put a camera in my apartment, you just be live streaming me in bed all day. Wait, actually, though? Well, that's all I have right now is a bed. So, yeah. Hiring help shouldn't be a headache.

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What would be like a dream competition show? Nothing too competitive. That's nothing physical. Nothing physically competitive. Oh my God. Okay. What about like Dancing with Stars? I don't know. I don't know. I'd have to be really talked into it. What about Trader? Do you think if you get at Traders?

As long as I don't have to do anything where I can get hurt. I'm notorious. Notorious for getting injured on my show. I have gotten like hit in the face of the football, dropped on my head, like hit in the crotch with a kickball, smacked in the face with a dodge ball. There's just been a lot of injuries. We went sledding. I busted my knee. Like, I can't do anything that's active. Yeah. If there's a camera involved, I will get hurt. Okay.

I don't get hurt any other time, but I always get injured somehow. Okay. And it's always me. And now it's a running joke. All right. So nothing physical. We're not getting injured. I know.

I can't. But would you, a lot of people in reality TV, like actually, Gabby Wimby just went into traditional. So she's going to be an actress now. Like, she's going to be in an actual Netflix show. And then you see some reality TV castmates go into, like, hosting. Do you have interest in? either one of those areas?

I mean, I, when you're like a kid, you know, I've always dreamed of being an actress. Yeah. I don't know if I had the memory to memorize lines. Yeah. But you give me a teleprompter and I'm great. I've done a few commercials and I've nailed them. Wow. So.

All right. Maybe you're looking at your next commercial. Actress. Strictly commercials. 30 seconds spots. Can't remember anything longer than that. Sky's the limit now, right? Yeah.

sky's the limit. All right. Well, I mean, so much is going on in your life. I think everyone is just so, I think the congratulations isn't about a split. It's about how far they've seen you've come and everything that's going on your life and where you continue to go. And I think you're just like every day that ticks is you're inspiring so many people. Yeah. So like think through change and continue to grow and face any type of mental hurdles that you're overcoming and how to find the right doctors and prescriptions like you just keep you keep doing it and don't stop just keep spreading your wings you know what i mean i feel like you're just absolutely killing it in every single direction i appreciate that and you feel that too i hope yeah it's it's yeah it's weird but yeah what's what's the weirdest

part about that i don't know i just feel like such a normal person like the way i spend my days and you know just the people in my life. It just, I don't know. The 14 seasons is like, that's... Sickening. Yeah. It doesn't feel like that. Like, it feels when I talk to people and I meet people for the first time

who don't know that I'm on a show and a lot of people don't because if you're not in the Bravo universe, you probably have never heard of me, which is totally fine. Even if you are in the Bravo universe, if you don't watch somewhere else, you have no idea. Right. Then they'll ask like, oh, how long have you been on the show for? and I'll be like 10 years and they're like, what? I'm like, yeah, it sounds like such a long time and it doesn't feel like it's been 10 years.

10 years. All right, we know you can only say so much, but let's first go with Summer House Season 10. Give me the full tease pitch that you can give without giving too much away. There's makeouts and makeups. It's not all about me and Kyle. There's plenty that goes on

that has nothing to do with either of us. Wow. Yeah. So if you don't like me and Kyle, you can still tune in. This is not going to be all about us. Yeah. Yeah. No, it's definitely not all about us.

There was so much going on this summer. There will be some other big highlights that people are talking about. Oh, yeah. Okay. I yell at another man that's not my husband. You do? Yeah. Who is it?

I can't tell you. Oh, my God, I want to know. I can't tell you. That was a good tease because I want to know. All right. When did you find out about in the city? I have no idea. Was it while you're filming or before?

No before. So you knew going into the summer that you would be filming this sequel? I had an idea, I think. Honestly, I don't remember anything. And there's so many, I'm just like, tell me where to be and when. Give me a contract and I'll sign it. Yeah, you want me, you don't want me, I don't care. I wasn't really paying much attention.

I mean, I had so much work going on that spring. And then when we're filming, I'm not thinking about anything else. We did a great job teasing summer house season 10. You got to tease it for us in the city. In the city. I think it's going to be great. It's going to be a whole different concept where it's more about couples and that next phase in life, right? So you're seeing different couples at different phases in their relationships, too.

Some people are married, engaged, dating, you know, getting serious. They're single parents. It's not the partying in the Hamptons that you're used to. It's, you know, a lot more relationship-based, which is you were only getting mine and Kyle's relationship for a very long time on Summerhouse. and now you're getting a ton of relationships. One of the things in this city, I think you see a lot of couples deal with, is this balance of work-life balance.

In New York City, everyone's just work, work, work, work, work. And I think it feels like you'll see that in this show with other couples, too. Yeah. But with you and Kyle, do you think work endeavors or professional goals had anything to do with distancing from kind of the connection within the relationship?

I mean, we definitely have different work ethics. So I think when we started working together, that was that was a big problem. I think it's, can I kid? Are you okay if I correct you? Yeah. And tell me if I'm wrong. I don't think it's worth ethic. I think it's work styles. Maybe. You work your ass off. But I like to work smarter, not harder. Yeah, which is a work style. Okay. But when you work, like, you work hard. Yeah. When you're focused and you're dial, like it's, so you can do what someone could do in 10 hours and two hours because of your focus. So I don't think that's not work.

Okay. I think it's a work style. I'll take it. Okay. But yeah, but Kyle lives to work. Like, you know, there was always conversations about, you know, one day he would sell lover boy and everything would be great and blah, blah, blah, blah. But I always felt that if that happened, he would need something else to fill his time with. That man's always going to be working.

He's always going to be hustling. He's still like he's just always at his computer. I'll FaceTime him at like 10 p.m. And he's at his laptop. And I'm like, what are you doing? Like, what are you doing all day? Like, why are you still sitting there or a little bit like one in the morning? You're like, I could have done that in an hour.

Yeah. Like he just lives. He just needs to fill his time doing things. And I want nothing to do with that. I could not be more different. And I think it drove of nuts. Fair. Okay.

On a personal level, when you fill your time, maybe you'll have some more of it. Like, what are some things you do outside of, work and just for fun. Well, obviously I love TV shows. What's your favorite show? Right. I was just talking to you about this. Right now, it's my strange addiction.

Just came back out. Yeah. And I think it's so weird and I love it. Oh, yeah. Yes. TLC. She's just telling me about this girl who everything she consumes has to go through her nose. Yeah.

She blends it all up and sucks it through her nose. But she also has like very high standards for herself. And anyone that thinks it's weird, she's like cutting you out of my life. And I want to live by that. Wait. What is it that? Like, why do you, this is an interesting show that you're attached to. Because it's weird.

Because it's weird. And it's like one guy was eating plastic bags. Like that's crazy. One chick like eats her mattress. People eat chalk. Like there's so many weird. One girl chews on diapers that she pees in. What?

Yes. Like they're just the most bizarre things. And it's like I love whatever's wrong with you. Like I love that. And I just, I don't know. But this woman that sucks up food through her nose in a straw. She really, like, anyone that thinks it's weird, she's like, I don't need you in my life. If you can't accept me for who I am, you're out, cutting you out. And I think we should all live by

that standard. I love it. Do you think what, I feel like in one lifetime you were a therapist. Was I? Yeah. Like, you like want to connect with people's understanding. Oh, I love understanding. I love trying to understand people and like relate to them and try to figure them out. When you grew up, what was your dream job? Being a cashier. Dead serious. What do you mean? Dead serious. I wanted to push buttons and and scan things and jingle cash and yeah. Did you ever accomplish that? Was never a cashier. You didn't get to be like in high school?

Probably one of the easiest jobs I could have gotten. Never, I was never a cashier, but that, I don't know why. You couldn't ask my mother. I love that. When I was younger, I wanted to be cashier. The buttons on like the cash register, just like the way that they sound and feel. I think it's my neurospicy side. Yeah, I do a piece of content or something where you accomplish.

Like you go, you start. ringing stuff up in the grocery store. When they came out with self-checkout. You were like depressed? That was the best day of my life. Oh, because you got to do it. I got to do it. I got to scan things.

At the grocery store, when I gets like input the code on the fruit, I'm like, this is the best day ever. Okay. At what age did that aspiration change? You're like, well, I have no idea. At some point I wanted to become a teacher. Okay, gotcha. So I went, because I like to draw on the chalkboard, which I wanted to. Like an art teacher?

No, like a teacher. Okay. But just... Yeah, I liked the white board markers. The two things I had when I was younger were at a cash register. Yeah. And then I like played pretend with like teacher. So I had all like the stickers and the books.

I didn't want to teach people. I just liked the idea of like looking like I was working. Like going through books and tossing papers and writing notes and correcting, you know, test. And yeah. No, I was a strange child. Right. A lot of actually. What was your dream job when you were younger? Oh, it was kind of weird. It was I want to be a pro poker player. Okay, but at least you can, you know, maybe make some money off of that. I can kind of, yeah, or lose it all or become an absolute degenerate and lose every single penny. So I went into a little bit of a different direction. But, you know, you know, I want you to be a cashier one day. One day you will. Supermarket sweepstakes. I love it. All right. Well, Amanda, before we wrap with your trading secret, I want you to do this. One secret you could have given yourself a year ago today. And then we're going to get a different trading secret from you.

One secret that I could have given myself. A year you could whisper into Amanda's ear one year ago. I probably would have been get on anti-depressants sooner. When did you get? I would have been like, you're depressed. Were you reluctant to get on? I think when you're stuck in that deep of a whole, it's hard to even like admit it to yourself that you're struggling. Yeah.

And then once you admit it to yourself, it's hard to admit it to other people. But I would have probably told myself to, like, talk about it sooner and figure it out sooner. Because I think it was really like three years of my life that I think I was really struggling and didn't recognize it. With the fear of telling people, once you did tell them, was that fear still an existence? Were people pretty accepting? No, people were very accepting. But then I felt like everyone was worried about me and I hated that feeling. Yeah.

Because then I wouldn't answer. I'm like, no, I just am not answering because I don't want to talk to you. It's not because anything's wrong. Like, I just, that's who I am. So, yeah, then it just became a lot of people worrying about me. And I hate when people worry about me. Yeah. I hate it.

Well, the good news is... I don't like being a burden on people. The good news is we started this podcast and everyone's congratulating you. Yes. I'll think anyone is worrying about you. And I think so many people are inspired by you. And I just feel like people can't wait to see more. And I love that, like the message you, you, you,

just shared with us is that like you're choosing yourself and you don't have to point fingers at the other direction to choose yourself. You can still be friendly with someone and recognize that you've moved in different directions. A hundred percent. And that's, it's okay if you, if you fall out of love, that doesn't mean that someone has to go to prison. No. That's okay.

There doesn't have to be a Scandival moment. There doesn't have to be a blind siding. There doesn't like, again, there's no villain in this story. It's beautiful. Your messaging is beautiful and just keep spreading happiness all around. The last question I got, one word, one theme. What's Amanda's word in 2026? Happiness. And how do you define happiness? Happiness. Being happy. No.

Being a cashier. Yeah, being a cashier, pushing buttons, love typing on a keyboard. Do you ever get the keyboard that's got like the, do you know those ones that are ASMR? Yes. And I bought, but I didn't get the keyboard. I got like the little key chain thing from the TikTok shop that you can like make the clicking noises. Do you click all that? I just threw it out when I was moving. But like my God, I would sit there.

Kyle would be like, what are you doing? No, it feels so good. Happiness. I mean, happiness is prioritizing myself, putting myself first, not worrying about what other people think about me. You know, if I want to lay in bed all day, get high and cuddle my dog and not communicate with anyone for 24 hours. and if that's what makes me happy, I'm going to do it. And you can't judge me for it. I fucking love it.

And maybe the next day I'll text you back. It might be weeks. Maybe three days. It might be four. Yeah. All right. Let's wrap with this. I promise we're wrapped with this.

I've said it seven times. But I want you to give a trading secret. But here's what I want the theme to be. There's a lot of people that are listening to this that are going through breakups with their family members. It could be their siblings. It could be their work. Or it could be a loved one.

And so just a. Obviously, the podcast is called Trading Secrets, but just like a piece of advice for someone that is going through that that might be doubting it, struggling, grieving. What can you give them? I would say, like, I'm still going through it, so I'm in their shoes. But from what I've seen on TikTok and the videos that I get tagged in and people talking to me, like, it gets better. You will come out on the other side of it. You might be in it right now, and it might be very difficult and very hard. and you feel very lost and confused,

but follow your gut instincts, and it will get better. Change is not scary, change is good. Change is necessary. I love it. And the one thing I think about is just even if it's a fucking millimeter, just like get one millimeter ahead. Yeah, everything is on your timeline.

On your timeline. Don't let anyone else rush you. You got to do things the way you want to as you're ready to do them and just take everything day by day. Yeah, and it might feel like you're like truly, crawling through quicksand, but just keep crawling. Yeah. Because the light is there.

Yeah. And it will get better and it will be beautiful and just keep growing and changing for the best. And look at you now. Yeah, I know. I know. I'm happy. Yeah. It's happiness.

I know. Happiness. You know what I mean? Which is, it's life. Just keep doing it. And everything you represent is beautiful. So keep going. I can't wait to have you back in like another year to reflect.

See where we're at. You might be a cashier. You might be a host. You might be on dancing with the stars. Who knows what's going on? But I feel like it's going to be good. Amanda, where can everyone find everything you have going on?

On the internet. On the internet. Just. Google me. Yeah, one of one. Yep. All right. 101.

Follow and maybe a business is coming soon. Maybe. We'll see. Amanda. Thank you for treating. Appreciate you. All the secrets. You're the best.

Ding, ding. We are closing in the bell to the Amanda Batula episode. A lot going on. Summerhouse season 10. One that everyone was waiting for. David, I know one that you were really, really excited to listen to. So what did you think? I thought it was great. I think I've said this too many times lately, but it's just true.

I thought it was one of our best episodes that we've heard recently. We've heard a long time, maybe all time, because we have a guess. We feel like we know so deeply and we learned so much more about them and how they process decisions and how they've grown through their learning lessons. And I think of all it was so relatable and such, I want to say in a weird way, like a stabilizing episode for a listener who may be going through some of those things or have gone through some of those things to be heard, to be seen to know that someone else is going through them. I thought she probably connected with the audience incredibly and she did with me as well. I mean, the vulnerability in saying it took until my mid-30s for me to see the little girl in me become a woman and really start to understand what I want and choose me. you know what? One, that's a hard thing to do, especially on a public forum. And two,

there are people that go their entire life, not just their 30s, their 40s or 50s or 60s or 70s, not growing into that person that she's so confident and happy to be in. And what a testament. Well, how many people do you see in today's day and age play victim? They play victim. They be like, yeah, you think? But she had every opportunity to play victim at some point through this whole thing. And she was like, no, not a victim. I did things on my terms. I made my decision. She had a couple things.

She said a couple things that as I try and give advice or try and help people through situations or I try and reflect on my own life and things, how I got to where I got to in certain areas, I just love how she says, she doesn't wish that things would have gone differently because in those moments, I made the decisions, which is the decisions I wanted to make. So to look back on them and try and change them,

it doesn't make sense. That's just really like lying to yourself. And I thought that she had such ownership of this and such vulnerability to admit that things weren't perfect, but she didn't run away from them. I thought that was really, really unique. And how about just how many breakups you see where it just gets so ugly and it doesn't have to? And it's just shots after shots after shots, after lies, after mislabeling. I mean, I could just bore and keep going, right? The maturity, the class, the character to be like, I changed.

And we fell out of love, and I still love him as a person. And were we perfect? We were far from it. And did we have bad moments? Sure, we did. But I love the guy. And I will love him. And he will always be a friend.

And it's so refreshing. So, I mean, talk about just taking the high road in a situation that it's, especially from what you get to see on TV, it feels like it's almost impossible to do that. And both of them, you know, have done it. So, I mean, have. That's off. Done it for now. We all know that some of these times,

some of these times they end amicably. You heard her say that they were on the phone when they hit send at the same time. We can feel good about that until someone has a moment, decides to do a tell all, decides to spill some beans that maybe they promised to each other that they wouldn't spill. Maybe someone does try and play the victim and kind of, you know, try and turn the tables in the favor because they personally needed for their own feelings,

their own self with nothing to do with the other person. We will find out, Jay. we'll find out. But I'm hoping, because we've had Kyle on the on the pod multiple times, we've had Amanda on the pod multiple times. They're friends of yours. Personally, I know they're friends of the show. I'm hoping it doesn't come to that because right now a lot of respect for, you know, how they didn't quit on each other. They were in a relationship that, as she said, a lot of betters were betting on their demise. But they stuck through it to, you know, they knew it was right for them to go their separate reason. I know that I have a lot of respect

for that. Yeah. It's, yeah, it's always, this one's always, it's always a tough position for me to be in. you know, as far as I'm friends with Kyle and I'm friends with the band. They made the position so easy because Amanda's, you know, comes into the seat, does this interview and just handles herself with such class. But yeah, I mean, I don't know. I'm just, I've just, there's, there's clearly many good things in both of them. And it's, you know, we obviously heard today the path of growth Amanda's on. It feels like Kyle's kind of still in that.

And he's still in it. and he's going to get there. And I have a feeling that both of them will be on better paths to happiness for whatever happiness is defined by that. So I'm excited to see that. But it's, I don't know, man. It's just a tough position to be in. And she handled it so well.

What was the most interesting? Because there were a lot of interesting things. There were funny moments, the cashier moment, the teacher moment. I was half the time I'm laughing. Other times I wanted to cry. I mean, what were some moments that stuck out to you? Well, I loved how you navigated it because you clearly got what the listeners wanted. At the end of the day, people are going to tune in for Amanda, but they're going to tune in to

tune in to hopefully hear Amanda talk about this point in her life. I mean, you did a really good job of showing your guys' friendship, your connection through professional experiences together, but also tying it back to how she's navigating this point as it relates to that and this. So I thought you did a good job. One thing that I do have to talk about, and I know that in your breakups, I've tried to be there for you and help you through a lot of those moments. I remember us always talking about how you felt like you wanted to do something or say something, but maybe PR is telling you not to

or that it's not the best idea to do this. Or, you know, it's better to just, I loved how she said she was doing it through her playbook, doing everything on her time. Even when people started leaking things, like she didn't run away from it. She would acknowledge a lot of those things. In a situation like this and your experience from that and how big of a role does PR play in handling breakups and how hard is it when you have the urge of that you want to say something, you want to scream something, you see that things are being said about you and PR saying you had to sit there and put duct tape over your mouth. How hard is that? And what role does PR play in a public breakup? Okay, PR. We're going to get back to the question because it's a really good

one. One thing I want to make sure I give perspective to is when this podcast was actually filmed. I love the recap because we could talk about behind the scene stuff. We had a trip down to Florida that was already planned. Amanda was in Florida. for an Amazon event while we were down there. And we had scheduled to podcast with Amanda, end of, shoot, when was it? I think it was end of January. I would have to look at the timetable,

but maybe end of January-ish. And it was already booked. And it was on the books. She was going to be there. Everything's locked up. Two days before, we had it on the books for weeks, two days before that they announced their breakup.

So when you talk about navigating this interview, this was a really tough one, because within 48 hours of them posting it, we had this episode. And this episode, I clearly had an outline of what I was going to do before our podcast. And within 48 hours, flying, traveling, had some brand thing, whatever. I had to shift into this discussion, which is not really easy to do. And it's not easy for her to still show up and do when it's that fresh. And with that, I also had to call Kyle after and say, in NBC after and say, guys, we had this book for three weeks. You know, this was not the intent. I,

The conversation came up. I think we were very respectful of everyone here, the show, the relationship, the love. We didn't really get into the weeds. So, you know, it was definitely like when you talk about navigating the conversation, I think for all of us included, it was like, oh, wow, this is not what we were intending to do. And two days later, it happens. So I think it's always interesting for the recaps for people to get some of that stuff behind the scenes. Now, with PR.

So, you know, I know for Amanda, you know, Amanda doesn't. Amanda will start using PR as her, you know, her brand is becoming larger and larger by the second. So, you know, that's her business to share, not mine, when and if she does. But this and everything she's handling, she's handling it. She might have, you know, some people to go to and ask questions and bounce things off of or go to NBC internal PR and ask them, hey, what do you think? But this is every way in which she's speaking and how she's handling. This is not media training. this is not PR training.

This is Amanda being Amanda. When I go back to, you know, you asked a little bit about PR and with my breakups and stuff, the only thing I would say as far as you always got to stick to your authentic self, but you always too have to consider what someone who's not emotionally attached to a situation who's a professional in space is going to advise you. You can't ignore it. And I think the only thing that still irks me about times when I always just kind of kept my mouth quiet and just kept moving forward is, and this is something I'm a therapy for is caring too much

about what people think. And sometimes the only thing that still creates anger in me, which we heard we talked to even a little bit on this episode, is the idea that there are still so many people out there that might think something that's not at all true at all. But what those people think, I guess, really doesn't matter. So the best thing to do in these situations is have, have class, have respect for what was and focus on what is. And yeah, I think she did that beautifully. She did. And it is the definitely the number one thing that I took away from this episode was just

that of her and how relatable and how honest and how genuine and just how she plays by her own playbook. And from, you know, you sharing that as well, everyone at some point wants to be, you know, looked at as some sort of fame, have fame, half celebrity, have status. A public breakup has got to be the worst thing in the entire world. It's probably the lowest low that everyone on this planet has experienced at least one time. And to do it with anybody saying anything negative about you, your life, your relationship, and or things that aren't even relative of it must be, it's not something that I would ever wish on my worst enemy because it's just at your lowest,

low, the people are misrepresenting you. So I know how hard it was on you. I think a good comparison is, I don't know if you remember in middle school or high school when you had a girlfriend, right? And you broke up in middle school or high school. And, you know, it might be two days later. It's in gym class. And Mike comes over to him, Mike's like, you're not going to believe what Don said about you. I just heard from Don's sister's cousin.

She said this. And you're like, wait, what? She says that you. Wait. Yeah. She says you have smelly breath. It's like, I don't have smelly breath. What is she talking about?

Actually, she has smelly breath. I didn't want to say it, but she does. It's like now you're all of a sudden, you're furious. And the whole. Not even like smelly breath is whatever. It's controlled. What I control. I'm talking about you.

I remember the days in high school and there's a breakup. And you hear one little thing through telephone three days later from one person. That's just absolutely not true. It's just her, you know, speaking in a different direction of friends, right? Or that happened to friends, you see it. Now, the thing about the public eyes, when you're dealing with that breakup, it's not Dawn that tells Mike's cousin's sister's brother who tells you in the locker room with one person four days later.

It's hundreds of thousands and millions of people that you can have a, impact on it's the world nuts think about your like now we're kind of zoning out of this this podcast and we're getting into the whole idea of the world we live in and even like you're killing you think about carter like the world he's like dude it's it's okay we'll go back to a man in a second but i i can't the other day i said something to katherine and i said to her i'm 37 years old you and i are deciding to go off for drinks and we're meeting two friends we're going out like bars right haven't done it a minute this is the first time my entire life ever that i was looking for the spray to put her in my pocket. She said, well, why? I said, I don't know. But I felt like I need pepper

one of the bars. I don't know. And I was like, you know, well, I'll tell you why. Do you know how often on my algorithm randomly, there's like bar fights? Like, bad guys are fight bar fights everywhere and all this stuff. And then what happens when there's bar fights now, you know, back in the day, if you and I got a bar fight or people at I fight, you run in, you break it up, you help you. Now, no, no, phones out. Pepper spray. Oh, yeah. No, phones out. Everyone. has got the phone out. Everything's documented. Everywhere you go, everyone's a creator now. And so I feel for the next generation, everything that happens at school when someone gets in a fight or detention or everything's going to be documented. And then you think about

breakups and then public breakups and the noise that comes with that. It's just it's such a whole different world today more than ever because everyone's got a phone and everyone knows is intact in the social media game. Everyone. Yeah, it's terrifying. I don't really want to think about that for my kids as they grow up. And I will be honest, I'm Ashley and I are big American Idol watchers.

And you know, the last audition on every episode of American Idol is instant tear drinker. Like, you want to feel something? Just watch the last audition on every episode of American Idol. You're instantly going to ball your eyes out. It's overly emotional. The first two they did were about suicides, teen suicides, about cyberbullying and peer pressures and things of that nature. And when you think about the documentation of it all and you think of how heightened it is when things get to the internet and we were talking about public breakups with Amanda and how you've experienced them and how much different it is on that stage than it is the middle school or it is the high school or it is the locker room or it's the classroom or it is the workplace when it's out there for tens and thousands and hundreds of thousands and millions of people to see it's scary. It's just scary.

Yeah, it's nuts. Out of lighter now, going back to Amanda, one thing I think we can't overlook is how cheap. cheeky humor. Like she is, like, I don't, like, she's got it. I can't think like every podcast I've ever been on. And then they're like, you know, Jason, tell me where people could find you. Like, I don't know. Jason at Tarek back up. She's like, I don't know, the internet.

It doesn't stop. The internet, the teacher thing. The quick one-liner. She's just, oh, she hurts herself in competition. I'm just always her. She's funny as shit. She's just confident and she's not trying to ever impress anybody. She's just so authentic to herself.

And because when people are like that, that's how to be. I think I'm funny because they're not trying. I think that that's why I said, I saw a different side of her. She's been on the TV for 10 seasons of summer house and winter house and all of these shows. But I felt like, and it wasn't just to do with the breakup, she's kind of freed herself and really finding who she is.

And she's really happy. She said at the end, her 2026 word is happiness. Happiness. So good for her. And she's vulnerable and talking about it. And again, that'll hit and relate to someone.

And she's just doing great, man. She's just doing great and it was really great to see and to have her on. And I had no clue both behind the scenes of how quickly she was on after that given when you guys had booked her. So for her to still come on and be in that place to speak openly and honestly and respectfully towards Kyle. And the last thing I'll say for you is like no one likes the breakup or they got to take sides. You're friends with both of them, but you do business with both of them to not have to take sides or feel like you have to take sides and doing it respectfully by calling Kyle. It's just good to know that in 2026, those things can still happen. You know me.

I'm loyal. Those people that are loyal to me, I'm loyal to you. And it's just how I roll it to I've always rolled. Yeah, but I mean, Amanda's going places, man. Oh. When you talk about that vulnerability and just not carrying the confidence, she is so set in herself. There's not a bone in her.

I mean, dude, that rant about I want to get high, sit at home, sit in my bed, not answer text matches. That's my happy place. I don't give a shit. Like, she is so ten toes down into who she is. that's one of the biggest inspirations in this. Why I think she's going places too is as much as she came up on Summer House

and her whole celebrity has been around, a relationship with Kyle is kind of the main characters on that show. You heard her say it, even though it felt kind of weird for her, how many people were saying congratulations. People are excited for her. People are now going to be twice

and three times and ten times is invested in her journey. I think she has, you know, people who come up in, you know, relationship fame, especially coming off the Bachelor,

or bachelor, et cetera. That's kind of what they're tied to in terms of their success or their interest. Or I think she's going to find this independent woman single error and people are just going to triple down on it. And I think this is just the tip of the iceberg for her. Tip of the iceberg. Yeah. A lot of action here.

Any other big lines or takeaways? I mean, we know the pre-nump was really interesting. That clip went viral from the first time when she talked about the health insurance. Yeah. That was great. We've talked about pre-nup on 50 plus episodes. And she's like, yeah, I just kind of look at it like health insurance.

I don't hope I ever get sick. but I have insurance. I don't hope to ever divorce, but I have a pre-up. It makes perfect sense when you kind of laid out like that. So I never, you know, again, relatable, funny, witty,

but also that actually kind of makes sense in a very amount of way. She nailed it right there. She nailed it. All right. Anything else before we rat? We are recording JTA tomorrow. So this is, let's say,

just say the appetizer. Just getting the vocal cords ready, getting the lungs ready, getting the questions dialed in. I went over the Money Mafia questions. Definitely a couple trending topics. let's just say a couple trending topics that will be touched on in the JTA so I'm looking forward to it I have an idea I have a feeling the theme of this JTA is going to be a little different than years past

theme's going to be a little different well we just had Amanda on we got the JTA coming up we have Catherine coming on we have John Bufard coming on the list is endless Evans working on some big names next week in New York excited for that what a great episode learned a lot I mean in so many ways And Amanda, everyone that listens to this episode without a doubt is cheering for you, rooting for you, and is happy for you. And that 2026 word of happiness, I think just in the month since we recorded it, you could see it in your face and your glow. So we're all excited for you.

David, anything else? Congratulations. Just everybody else is saying to her right now, great episode. And I will see you tomorrow. Give us five stars. Don't forget it. And thank you for tuning into another episode of Trading Secrets. one, hopefully you couldn't afford to miss.

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