Trading Secrets - 318. Chase DeMoor: From Starbucks to $100K Boxing Paydays & Beating Andrew Tate

Episode Date: July 27, 2026

This week, Jason is joined by professional heavyweight boxer, reality television personality, and Misfits Boxing Heavyweight Champion Chase DeMoor for a conversation about his journey from chasing the NFL to building a career in reality television and combat sports. Chase breaks down working at Starbucks while pursuing football, signing with the CFL, and pivoting to Too Hot to Handle after the pandemic disrupted his career. He reveals how reality television grew from $1,000 per week and small brand deals into six-figure appearances and a legitimate business. Jason and Chase also dive into the economics of professional boxing, including the expenses that reduced Chase’s first $100,000 purse to roughly $25,000–$30,000. Chase shares the contract terms behind his victory over Andrew Tate, why he accepted a smaller payday for the opportunity, and how the win transformed his negotiating power and brand. Plus, Chase explains the psychology behind trash talk, reading opponents during faceoffs, and why constantly pivoting and reinvesting in himself has been the key to his success. Chase reveals all this and so much more in another episode you can’t afford to miss! Subscribe to the Trading Secrets podcast! Host: Jason Tartick Audio: John Gurney Video: Marc Colcer Guest: Chase DeMoor Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

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Netflix watch list, but who has spent the last few years making sure you know him for something entirely else. Chase Damore, professional heavyweight boxer and current misfits boxing heavyweight champion, one of the most credible crossover athletes in modern combat sports. Before any of that, Chase was a Division II defensive linemen who went from junior college to Central Washington University to bouncing around the CFL, the IFL, and the USFL trying to make a football career. He then made a wild detour into reality TV. Too hot to handle, perfect match, but several reality shows later, Chase made the pivot away from reality television to pursue boxing full time. Standing at six foot five with elite athleticism, he now competes in multiple

televised bouts a year, steadily building respect in a sport that's historically skeptical of influencer entrance. His win over Andrew Tate in December marked a massive turning point. We'll talk all about it, all the financial angles in each chapter. Chase, thank you for being on showing secrets, man. Thanks for having me, bro. And you got the whole, you got the whole itinerary now. I got the whole resume, man. I think, I mean, you and I go way back in worlds.

We'll talk about one day, not today. But I'll tell you what, I did some research on you. And your story is wild. Let's actually, let's go back. Let's go back into the days you're grinding, right? You're grinding to be a football player. You know, you take a shot at going to the Seahawks. That didn't work out.

Montreal, CFL in 2019, IFL, USFL, almost an NFL deal. Walk me through what financially your life was like. And was it pro sports only? Were you definitely going to be a football player? Like what was your backup plan?

Yeah, obviously there was no backup plan for me. And my whole identity was about being an athlete. And so everything I did revolved around that. Obviously, playing all multi-sports in high school, transitioning into college, being very successful at, you know, both high school college and in the pros, My whole ideal was, you know, get to the NFL, make millions of dollars, retire, have a beautiful wife and kids.

But obviously, you know, COVID happened. A lot of things happened. It's very difficult to not only make it to the NFL, but now you're adding all of these real life world circumstances. And, you know, at the end of the day, there was a time when I'm sitting inside of my apartment. I'm sitting there thinking to myself, you know, if it took a national pandemic to stop me from playing football, I can sleep soundly at night knowing that that's what it took. Yeah, exactly. I mean, I totally get that. When you're doing, when you're making this run, right?

Like, Seahawks didn't work out, but then you go to Montreal, right? How, like, when you sign with Montreal on the CFL, what do they pay for something like that? Yeah, obviously, the CFL was very, very different from the NFL. I was so close. It's kind of hard. It's kind of like how I would explain it is when you have something really good and then you just kind of take a step back. A lot of people would be very fortunate to, you know, play any level of professional football. But obviously, when I came out of college, I was really aimed on the NFL.

a lot of people backing me to go to the NFL, especially coming from a division two school where, you know, I broke the NCAA record in blocked kicks, I think it was, special teams is All-American. I thought I had a really good shot at it. Obviously, COVID happened. I just barely didn't make the roster, you know, going into camp. And so, you know, you kind of find a way to pivot.

And the pivot was to go to the CFL. I had a great agent at the time. Fred, he reached out to me, said, hey, I got an opportunity if you want to come play in Montreal. I don't know how good your French is. But they would love to have you up there. And so I ended up signing a two-year contract to go play in the Canadian. Canadian Football League for the Montreal Alouettes.

I'm sitting there thinking, you know, this might be my million dollar shot, but a lot of people don't know. In the Canadian Football League, you're lucky to make, you know, 100K a year, if that. Yeah, so, okay, about 100K a year. Like, how did that turn out for you in the CFL? Yeah, obviously, the CFL was great. Well, the first year I was signed there was in 2020. The season got canceled because of COVID.

They did the whole, they tried to do a Hub City and we tried to play half a year. But, you know, obviously it didn't work out. And so, you know, I'm still sitting there on my signing bonus. I think at the time my signing bonus was about 15. $18,000. So that's all I had really to my name at the time, getting ready to go off to camp. It didn't happen. Then I got reached out to by, you know, multiple reality television shows, Love Island, to have to handle. And then explaining to my defensive line coach and my agent that I might need a little bit of an extension on my camp invites so I could come film a

dating show was not ideal. But I had to make them understand that financially, this was the direction I needed to take at the time. Thankfully, I got my second contract, I was in the villa onto at the handle. And they were okay with me coming into Camp Lake. Well, what did the second contract look like? The second contract was a little bit better. I was still on my rookie deal, but I went from making $70,000 to, I think, $95 was what I was going to get paid.

That is Canadian dollars. So whatever that converts to, it still wasn't a whole lot of money, but as a 22, 23-year-old kid, $90,000 doesn't sound too bad on paper. I love that. We're going to fast for it for just a second. Then we'll go back. But right now you've defended the misfits. It's boxing heavyweight championship three times, right?

You just won again in June. You're dialed, right? You think about your athleticism right now, your training schedule. It's so dialed. If you could go back to that younger version of Chase that was Grimman to try and make in the NFL, is there anything you would have told him to do differently that would have helped him to make it? No, I would go back and I would tell the kid just keep doing what he is doing because it's hard to explain to people that haven't been there, but it's hard to keep a dream alive

and being committed to constantly working out and training in your diet and your exercise when you don't have anything physical to show for it. What I mean by that, it's like, you know, it's not like we were getting flown out to training camp. I wasn't making loads of money. I wasn't blowing up on social media. I wasn't getting anything out of this. However, I was still waking up, going to, I worked at Starbucks at the time, making lattes in the morning, training in the early afternoon, and then doing school in the evening, constantly doing that you become repetitive. It can't become repetitive. You get stuck in the cycle. And the biggest thing I want to emphasize to that younger version of me is like, you know, stay in that grind because there was times where I'm like,

what am I doing? I should just go get a job. There's times where I was like, you know, this is not cut out for me. And it's like, you know, I feel similar to what I was saying to you before, if it took a national pandemic keep me from the NFL, I'm okay with that. I feel like at the time, I did everything the correct way. There was nothing more physically that I was able to do with what I had presented to me. We mentioned money a little bit, but if you went to like the child version of Chase, like, what was your relationship with money? Were you always like, I'm going to be in a job, where I'm going to make a shit ton of money. Were you money motivated?

You know, what does like your overall relationship look like with money from a kid? Yeah, I think I grew up pretty religious. I mean, obviously, greed is the forefront to all evil. And I think it's not like my family had a whole lot of money growing up, you know. I think that the biggest thing was I was one of those kids. It was like burning a hole in your pocket. As soon as you get some money, you want to go buy something, a candy toy, whatever, video game, whatever it is.

And I think I was never financially very smart as a kid. But, you know, as I progressed into. to my early teens, late teams, like money, you start realizing the value of money and what you can do with it. And so I felt myself, you know, saving for more things. And then I made a decision one day where it was like, okay, do I want to continue living my life, you know, paycheck to paycheck, when am I going to make this money? Or do I want to have this financial freedom as early on in my life as possible? And I made that decision pretty early on where I was like, okay, you know, it started with, I'm not sure if you're familiar with the app acorns. Oh, yeah, of course. I was very adamant. I know this is not even

sponsored by them, but it was, it was the first thing that, you know, I learned about was Acorns. It was one of those things where it's like, you know, you have your debit card, you attach to your Acorns account. You go buy, you know, something like a cup of coffee. It's, you know, 275. It takes 25 cents, rounds it up to $3.6.25 and it was investing in the stock market or something. And so I would occasionally go back, you know, after a few months, I would check on this account that I didn't even know I was accumulating money in. And I was like, you know, $3, $400. And keep in mind, you know, 17, 16, 18 years old, like, that's a lot of money. You know.

Hell yeah. Dude, I was so funny. We just had the CEO of Acorns on. I'm going to send him this clip and you might have gloves sponsored by Acorn before your next fight. Speaking of gloves, though, I mean, you talk about grinding for 100K, right? You're football days. Then you're working at Starbucks.

You're talking about trying to figure out what's next. Fast forward even further. You just broke a Guinness World record of the highest price influencer boxing gloves ever sold. Your pink gloves that you fought against Tate sold an auction 20 grand. I mean, we'll get into the Andrew Tate fight, but how things had changed for you. It's absolutely crazy. At what point did reality TV find its way into either your life, email, box, DM? Like, what was that story?

Yeah, at the time, I had a girlfriend, obviously, and she wasn't very adamant on social media. And now that it was I. And then, obviously, we broke up early 2019, early 2020, somewhere around there. I started getting on social media, and they immediately started posting on at the time, what converted to TikTok. I think it was just coming around. And I would do, like, you know, silly things at working at Starbucks. It's typical pretty boy things.

And I got reached out to by a lot of these dating shows where they're like, hey, would you be interested in, you know, maybe coming and finding love? And at first, you know, you think it's a scam. I'm thinking this is like some sort of spam. Like, why would they be picking me? And obviously, I kept on going with the casting process. These casting processes, for those that don't know, take months sometimes, especially back during COVID when we were doing loads of Zoom interviews

and people weren't getting flown out. It was a very different experience back then. I was fortunate enough to continue with the casting process, and I had a lot of really great people that believed in me backed at Netflix, and even over in the UK at Fremantle, who created Two Out the Handle. A lot of these things I didn't even know were happening, they're just like my personality. And obviously, when you go on your first reality show, a lot of people don't know this, you don't really make any money. They told us at the time you get paid in clout and fame. At the time, I was like, well, surely we're going to make something over there. And they're like, yeah, we'll give you $1,000 a week.

And I'm sitting there gas. I'm like, $1,000 a week. Yeah, I'll take that's more than I'm making. Sign me up. Sign me up. You know, it's more than I'm making a lotter at Starbucks. And it was a two-week quarantine period plus three weeks of filming. So we were there for just like a little over a month.

And I'm sitting there like, wow, I just made $5,000 doing a TV show and hanging out. Like, how do I do more of these? Yeah. And luckily, you know, Netflix took a liking to me and they just kept on incorporating me. And then after that, you know, you can start negotiating contracts. And you get paid a little bit more than the average battery. to come on these shows. I love the story. But you almost ended up on Love Island before Netflix, right? Yeah, it was. I was actually, I actually told Netflix no, because keep in mind when I got

casted for at the time, it was called Parties in Paradise, because it couldn't tell us it was too out to handle. I was like, I've heard of Love Island. I've never heard of Parties in Paradise. And I was very adamant about going on Love Island. And I kind of would be late to the interviews for parties in Paradise and kind of like wait to respond. And they were pushing hard to get me. And I was so focused on Love Island. And I think I made it all the way up until they confirmed me to come in as the second week bombshell during the COVID season. And then for some random reason, they ended up not accepting me, taking me off of it, whatever. And I was really distraught, really upset about it.

And I didn't really talk to anybody for a couple days. And the ladies just kept on reaching out to me like, hey, we're trying to get a hold of you. And then one day I just woke up feeling a lot better. And I was like, okay, you know, let's have a conversation. And they're like, hey, bad for Love Island, great for us. We'd love to have you. and then, you know, everything else just happens for a reason. After you did that first season, Chase, for you and you look back at, like, your edit and your time on the show,

what was, like, the most surprising thing to you? Because it feels like your persona on every show. In boxing, it's just, you're just ruthlessly you. You're like, I don't care if you like me, you hate me. I'm always going to be me. Were you at all surprised with the editor how it came across on your first show? No, I think that something that I was really surprised about is, like, they were really concerned. Well, not they.

I was really concerned that people weren't going to like me because I feel like I didn't have a personality for LA TV. I felt like I was just too, I always make the joke. Like they made the wrong person famous because it's like I'm not like somebody who's very well versed in like my PR chain. My PR training comes from my sports background, you know, so it's not the same as going on television and presenting yourself a certain way. And they were like, no, they're going to love you for who you are. And I didn't believe it at the time. And I think what helped me the most was going on these. I had a lot more relatability than a lot of other reality stars.

because I was on there being the voice of the voiceless, staying in the show what people are sitting at the couch, screaming at the TV. And I think that that really helped me afterwards. Okay, so you did. Now, how many shows you spent eight shows is it that you've been on at this point? No, more than eight. I'm up towards like 1617.

1617 shows. Of all the shows that you did, which one had the biggest impact on your career trajectory and your finances? See, that's a loaded question because it's very different. I would say my career director was definitely too out to handle because obviously that was the first one at the time. It was the biggest show in the world, you know, but I don't think I made my first brand deal that was more than 30K until a few shows later. When I did too out to handle, obviously we got a few brand deals for $5,000, $10,000, which to us at the time, again, was a lot of money if you didn't make that type of money. And it's a lot of money even now, you know.

And it's like financially, I would say it was perfect match when you get kind of recognized as a Netflix all. All-Star, like one of their people that they continue to use on multiple shows, I would say had the biggest financial impact on me because at that point, it was, I became more brand safe. It was more, okay, like he did a show. He wasn't canceled. He's done another show. He's obviously built a following from it. Now we can start investing him into things like campaigns or ads, stuff like this.

And I think that that, when I started making one big brand deal, it kind of held me off for the next one. And then as you continue to collect large chunks of money, it took the pressure off from just taking everything. And you focus just on the big thing, if that makes sense. No, it makes perfect sense. What was the year that like you started to be like, wait a second, this isn't the 510K, even this isn't the 30K. Like, this is real money. This is an actual career. Like, I'm making hundreds of thousands. I'm going to break a, I'm going to break a million. I need to start really dialing in and look five, 10 years ahead. Like, did you have that moment or what it looked like? Yeah, obviously. It's crazy because of how perspective changes. And I remember at the

beginning of 2021, I believe it was. I made a vision board for New Year's. I was like, I want to make 100K this year. Because at the time, you know, 100K was like very, very, it's up there. And I think at the end of after 12th, the handle came out and you started rolling into like all this different ad revenue from your social media platforms, these brand deals and stuff. And I hit that 100K mark, you know, with loads of months to spare. I was like, okay, let's raise the bar a little bit, bit. And I think it was probably 20, 23, where I was kind of like, okay, I have enough money right now where if I play this smart, I can do a lot of things in my life and not necessarily have to go back to those two, three hundred dollar paychecks. Yeah, I mean, that's when that shit happens.

It's also, it's like, how is this from a show and social media? Like, it hits you and you're just like, what the hell is going on? I think one of the hardest things in the space is social media, though, or reality TV is figuring out, like, how do I, how do I make lunch? longevity or how do I know like what next year looks like or the year looks like obviously you've done that now in the boxing world but that pivot is is next to impossible and those who have tried for the most part not all but for the most part has kind of been like last out of the sport so when did you come up with the idea and what made you really say like I know I could do it different yeah obviously what I tell everybody is when you go on reality TV you have to look at it as

like a step. It's not the end of all ends. It's an opportunity to essentially grow yourself. And if you do it correctly, you can find a lot of success in it. And what I found personally was it was never about me going on this show and then blowing up. It was about me going on this show and then quickly trying to find the next thing to focus on. I think, oh, I was like, I need to hurry up and get back into football. And now that I've built this audience, this fan base, hopefully I can make a lot of money from Jersey sales or whatever it is. And that was kind of the focus is, what can I do now so that I don't always have to focus on Rale TV because RialTV is not a guaranteed thing. It's very hard to get on television shows. It's very hard to stay consistent on this thing. And then that just also depends

on how well the show does. And I think the biggest thing, you know, transitioning to boxing to answer your question was after months and months and months of trying with football, you start seeing that CFL paycheck, that's 70K or the indoor football paychecks that aren't that much money. This is now becoming a hindrance on my financial well-being is because this was now. costing me more money to do than what I would make if I focus on other things. And then obviously boxing came across my table and they come to me at the time and they're like, hey, would you be interested in fighting somebody that's never fought before? We'll give you $100,000.

This is just one fight, you know, three rounds. Would you do it? And I'm sitting there trying to do the math on that. I'm like, so three minute rounds for three rounds, you're talking me in nine minutes, I can make $100,000. You can't really beat those numbers. And so then I did it. And then obviously found a lot of fun in it, wanted to continue doing it, got signed by a promotion

that gave me a multi-fight deal. Whereas before in reality TV, it's not guaranteed in fighting. They gave me a contract saying you're going to fight on this date, this date, this date for this much, this much, this much, this much. It became more of a job and a career to focus on that rather than focus on trying to blow up on these TV shows. So once you got, Pat, I mean, that's first spot. It's incredible.

Thank you for three rounds, 100K. Let's just put this in perspective. Was there ever a reality TV show at this point? Because the show's filmed pretty quickly, right? Usually it's like five days to five weeks max. Is there about a show in reality TV that you made over 100? grand just on the show. 100%. The show that I did in November, I just finished up X on the beach, I think it's the last show that I just aired.

I think it was about three weeks of filming. They paid me 110K for that. So, you know, you can't really beat it. You know, all you do is, you know, hang out in a villa. You go on some dates and then they give you a bowl of a money up to you. So, you know, I wasn't really upset about that. One thing I think you're like just brilliant at is branding. And so I think anybody that's listening to show where they start a small business or they're trying to brand the business. themselves in social media, whatever it is, there's truly an art to it. So I wanted to ask you, I got your ex on the beach intro. Let's just play a real question. Not upon my worst enemy. What's up, guys? My name is Chase tomorrow. I'm from season two of

too hot to handle and I'm 29 years old. If I had to describe myself in three words, tall, dark, and answer. If I had to describe my perfect partner in three words, that would be curvy, thawed, great smile. I'm single because I'm just too good to be true. All right, I love it. Is there part of you that like, do you go in with branding strategy? Like, when you're going into that show, are you like, I'm going to portray a certain brand or when you go into a fight, are you bringing certain strategies that we don't get to see behind the scenes? No, not at all. You know, I always make this joke because when I go on these new shows, it's kind of like when you go to the first day of school again and you kind of are really excited to see who's there and

you got the nice clothes on, you just say kind of crazy stuff and you kind of figure out your friend group, for me, something that I played at advantage. I went to a lot of different schools. I was moving all the time and got to redo it over and over and over again. And, you know, figure out what works from people and having a little bit of charisma and relatability really goes

a long way. And I think that when I go on these shows, it's not that I'm saying things for the clip. I go on these shows and I say things that I would have said a hundred times over. That's why it sounds so good and it doesn't sound rehearsed or the script. It's like, you know, it just comes off the top of my head because

it's not the first time I've said it. It's just the first time you've heard me say it. Right. What's wild is I don't think people see the crossover, but like the crossover from reality TV, and I feel like having the actual marketing brand of boxing, there's got to be some commonality there, right? Yeah, 100%. Yeah. Boxing is all about entertainment. It's about a show, it's about a character. It's about getting people to care about watching you fight. Jake Paul does a great job at this. Obviously, Andrew Tate, you know, whether you love or you hate him, he had a lot of eyeballs on what he did. And I think that me in particular, I was somebody who went in there and you played this heel, this villain and this over-egotistical, like somebody's got to humble him. It brings a lot of emotion out of a lot of people. And it even got the attention of obviously Angie Tate, who wanted to also humble me and shut me down.

And I got in the ring with him. And it didn't work out for him. You know, I am the Andrew Tate Slayer. But, you know, just being able to use your personality enough to generate enough eyeballs on you to where people. want to see you either win or lose is all about boxing, just the same as this is on reality TV. You're not going to go on the reality TV show and people don't care about you. People go and watch you on these shows. How well did you do or how bad did you do? Yeah, I got two questions for you. One is a very relatable combat sports issue going on or question right now. The Connor McGregor fight.

What's your take on that? Is it what you think that he was injured before? Just knowing what you know, what are your thoughts on that one? So in sports, when you know, I personally have different beliefs on it. Allegedly, in my opinion, I believe that he was fully capable of for that fight. Do I think he would have won that fight?

Absolutely not. I didn't even bet on him. I think that he got a huge payter that he could not deny and he didn't want to take a lot of damage from it. I think he went in there and he kind of milked the injury a little bit to get out of there with a lot of people's money. And he didn't take any damage. He wasn't embarrassed.

A lot of people didn't look at him and be like, I don't want to watch you fight again. People are now more excited to see him. him fight. I think he did it really well. I don't think he was injured going into it now. It's a good take. I was just with a guy who's connected. He used to fight in the U.S. he doesn't anymore. And he thought like with 100% certainty, 100% clarity. It's not even in discussion. He was injured before the fight. So I love to see different perspectives from people that are in the space. But let's go back to the career of boxing. When you were a boxer,

you earn your money from promoting and fighting. And then what are type of expenses you have, have like all your training because your individual earnings are all from your performance winning losing contracts but you have so much cash outflow what does that look like yeah i think people don't understand like boxing it used to be a poor man support it's actually the most expensive support for example like just an average pair of gloves good gloves the grants that i fought in that i sold on ebay yes i sold those for 20k but keep in mind i spent 2300 on them you know that's a it's a luxury is a luxury brain glove even like the lower end of anywhere between, you know, four or five hundred dollars. The boots alone, $300. The girls can be

about $600 that sparring headgear. Bringing sparring partners in, you're paying them, you know, $1,500 a week sometimes. The recovery, people don't over-emphasize on the recovery, you know, the red light, the massages, the physical therapy, all of this, $200, $300 a session. These are things that people aren't calculating it for the cost of what it takes to be a professional athlete. The diet is expensive. The nutrition is expensive. Your coaches, you're giving them 10% of, you know, what you're making on on these purses and you know you do all of this you invest all of this you spend all your money on this in hopes that you go and you win this fight you get it all back but you know a lot of people in boxing don't realize you know people can pull out of the fight

you only get paid if you get in that ring if you lose the fight obviously your purse is going to go down you're not going to make as much money on the next fight now these people are expecting the same wages x y and z it becomes very very problematic yeah i don't think enough people talk about that, right? I mean, I think because as far as an investment goes, your investment is right back into you. Like you said, your nutrition, your training. What differentiates you from everyone else is obviously you, but also the way people, like a lot of people attribute a lot of Jake Paul's success is because of the money this guy spends into his craft, which is unbelievable. And I think it's really cool to kind of see those curtains and talk about it. So let's start about your first bite,

100,000, three rounds. Talk to me about the progression from there. What does it look like as far as monetizing from that point on? obviously yeah i had a lot of fun the first fight and uh you i didn't really understand what it was going to take to continue to fight um you know at that point it was just a hobby and so after that first fight you're kind of on top of the world you know it was an exhibition didn't even count for anything really and so i was kind of like on top of the world just talking my mess online um you had a lot of eyeballs on it and then obviously you get reached out to by different various promoters that want to sign you and so you start like weighing your options about like what can i do to continue doing something like this

And obviously I come from sports. So this was my dream, essentially. You know, you become this professional athlete. And so in terms of how you want to monetize it and continue to make it grow, it was like I took a huge investment out of myself. Or I was like, okay, like I'm going to hire a full-time coach. I'm going to pay him. You know, I think at the time I was paying them $100 a session. And we were going every day.

So, you know, I spent $700 a week. You know, it's like $2,800 a month. Plus whatever your gym membership is. I think at the time I was training just. at the golds over here in Venice Beach, and that's like $120 a month. And, you know, a lot of these things, it starts adding up really, really fast.

And so at the time, I didn't have, you know, any boxing gear either. So I'm just dumping loads of money into getting all of these things. And at the time, I haven't even had my second fight yet. So by the time I got that $100,000 or $100,000 paycheck, that was already cut in half because California taxes and then take another 10% out of that for the coaches.

And then assume that we're going to spend another 10% on gear. and then take another 10% out for recovery, gym memberships, etc. I was left with 2530K really, really fast. So I think the biggest thing is I really believe that I could make a career into this. And so I took that 30K and just invested it right back into myself. I was like, okay, I'm going to use this to promote this and buy this and travel here and train with this guy. and I was finding ways to make that 30K really last and work for me so that I can get to that next page. That's pretty wild.

That's one thing we don't hear a lot about, but I was reading coming into this interview was that contracts for boxers, there are just so many nuances and line items that like no one talks about but are happening prior to the fight. Everything from the way to the gloves to where it's going to be in all these different nuances. What's one of like the craziest line items you've seen negotiated? in one of your contracts. Oh, man. Like, just like, the craziest, like, it goes down to silly things.

Like, who walks first and who walks second? They call it A side or B side. I've seen things get negotiated as to what brand of mouthguard even worn. And there's things that people don't even know that are abandoned boxing that are negotiating the contracts, such as use of saunas, IVs. Rehydration clauses are huge. A lot of people don't know that when I fought Andrew Tate, Not only did I have to make weight the day before, he also had a rehydration clause in there.

So that means I couldn't go and eat after the way in or drink after the way in. I had to go to sleep that night, wake up the next day before the fight, before the fight, get on the scale and make sure that I was still at wait four hours before the fight. These are things that people don't see in these contracts. People are like, oh, we're going to pay you X, Y, and Z to go fight on this day. Yes, that is the case. But in these contracts, like obviously with Andrew Tate, they don't know that I was not legally allowed to talk about his allegations. anything that he had going on. People are like, why are you not saying this in the press conference?

Why are you not addressing this? Well, in my contract, I couldn't. For every pound that I was overweight in that fight, it was a $100,000 fine for every pound. You know, like, there's a lot of things that happen with that and that you would never even see. But you just see on fight, and I'm like, okay, he wouldn't fought. But let's just say, like, I went out there and I was three pounds overweight.

I fight the guy. Okay, I just lost $300,000 off of that contract that you think I just got. That's insane. That quick and nothing has changed. Well, and the other issue, too, is, right? Like, he knows the stage that he brings when you fight him, and he knows that if you beat him, that's pretty monumental for your career. So then you're de-leverage, right?

Like, you don't have much leverage to negotiate, knowing that you want to fight him for the opportunity. So you probably have to agree to all this stuff. You're probably stuck in a quarter, right? Yeah, that's what it was. It was like, I didn't have any negotiations on there. And it got to the point where I was told my promoter. I was like, just send me a contract.

Like, at this point, I don't even know why you're asking me about these things because it's like I have no leverage on here. You know, even when I would, I originally asked for, you know, eight to ten rounds. He didn't want that. He wanted six rounds. And I, it was one of those things where it was like, I asked them, I don't want a rehydration clause.

And then they would come back and be like, well, Andrew insists on a relation, a rehydration clause. And when they say things like that, it's like, you're going to do this or he's not going to fight. And it was like, I believed in myself. I thought I was going to be able to get the job done really quickly. So it wasn't like I was sitting there arguing back and forth with them. You know, I didn't even really have a whole.

negotiation on my purse because they could have paid me anything. I knew that if I beat him, that I would make more fighting in the future. I've already defeated this guy. So I was kind of taking a gamble on myself. He made, you know, $10, $20 million on that fight. I made, you know, $300K. It was a vastly different paychecks. But at the end of the day, obviously you see the trajectory of my career when I beat him versus the trajectory of his career when he lost to me. You know, He essentially gambled his aura, his stature, his whole top G persona to fight somebody that realistically on paper, you know, he was a four-time world champion. I should have been dispatched of in the first two rounds, you know.

So losing that much aura in one fight was worth the gamble for me and was worth the not negotiating so much in the contract. Just get him in the ring, give him whatever he wants. This is only like an estimation, but it's almost like you're, it's like your brand, right? And it's like your stock. and obviously your stock goes up, just like any other stop would go up. If you had to put a number on winning that fight, based on winning that fight, what value do you think that did for the Chase to Moore-Bram if you had to guess a number?

Oh, if I went from, let's just say I was valued at a million dollars. Yeah. I would say a million dollars, I would say in at least 100 X it. Crazy. Because the thing is you go from a guy where people are like, he just talks a lot. somebody's going to humble him too. You beat a four-time world champion who was known for fighting, who was known for being this alpha male in the manosphere.

And then you kind of come from like these dating shows and you go out there in bright pink gloves and you bash him up and you kind of laugh about it. Obviously, everybody who worshipped him wants to come have a go at you and everybody who hated him kind of idolizes you. So you 100 X eyeballs on you, whether it's good or bad, it kind of goes back to that. And, you know, I made a joke for a long time that I kind of became the new

top G because it's like whether you love or you hate me, it's either like you really hate Andrew Tate and you're happy that I want or you really love Angie Tate and you want to come avenge him. Either way, my next payday is going to be huge because I'm not fighting unless it makes sense for me. Similar to like how he got to negotiate everything in the contract, now I'm in that position. That's badass. A lot of people I've been reading now World Series of Pokers on, right? I wouldn't call it a sport, but it's an individual contest. People will back them. They'll stake them. It's like investing. And in the boxing business, does that happen? Do people take a stake at you? They can offer you $2 million to buy a percentage of your winnings?

They can't buy a percentage of your winnings. But a lot of what happens in fighting in particular is people will invest. Say, for example, like on my shorts, you'll see like patches and stuff because people monetarily are investing into you, meaning they're giving you sponsorships. Like on my next fight, I will have a WBC patch on it because I most recently went and I fought and I won a WBC medal. But they pay for these and they invest in these because they want people to know that you are associated with this brand. So what I mean by that is like if you go to like a local restaurant or something, they'll have a picture of a random fighter up there and they'll have like the shorts on with their logo. It's like this is our fighter. He fights for us in our organization. He recognized.

He's our champion essentially. You know, I don't know if you ever seem like, you know, the movie Troy. Yeah, yeah. It's like pick one guy to fight for you. Like that's what they're doing. And so it's like they're not so much investing into you into winning money back as they're investing because they want to be associated with your brand, if that makes sense. It makes their brand look better because they are representing you and you are willing to be acknowledged as representing them. I mean, that is wild to grow into a space where like you're making money off that type of relationship because of the brand you've built that they want to be associated with you.

When you go into your next fight, as far as, like, all the campaigns that you could do, whether it's social media or it's like wearing a logo, I know you just explained that logo, but a different logo, like an actual brand brand brand on your pants or wherever it is on gloves. What's like the highest pinnacle? What's the biggest brand opportunity for you in the next fight? Oh, man. It's tough because I read a fine line because I have a lot of kid following, like huge kid following who love athletes. And so like I always get my hands kind of like tied because I have a lot of these casino brands that reach out and they offer like ridiculous money. But it's kind of like you kind of sell your soul a little bit with that because it's like, do I really want to campaign for gambling? Well, not really.

But it's difficult because even in the Andrew Tate fight, I had this company, duel.com, who sponsored the fight who sponsored him. They wanted to give me $100,000 to put one patch on my shorts and says, you know, dual.com. And I obviously talking with them and stuff. I'm like, this isn't really brand friendly. So they made something work. We're basically on my shorts, if you look at the fight, I had duct tape over the front of them. And it was basically like, fuck, dual.com.

Well, I'm not campaigning for the casino because I'm saying, don't go to their casino website because they sponsor Andrew Tate's casino gambling. But they paid me 100K to do that because a lot of people were looking at the shorts like, well, what the heck is dual.com? And so not everybody's going to it. So I'm still promoting this brand while staying brand safe. I don't know who came up with that. idea, but that is absolutely genius. Do you make more money if you win a fight usually in contracts?

Is you're usually like a winner clause? No. So what happens with the contracts is you agree on what you're going to get paid. Now, with the promotion that I work on, you can get bonuses. For example, you win your fight, then your next purse goes up 10%. Right? That's standard in most contracts, but if you lose a fight, it kind of goes back to whatever you started. So let's say you make $1 in of your first fight, the next fight you'll make $10 if you win. After that, it's 10% of $20, $30, $40, all the way up to like whatever your peak is. But say you get to $75 and you lose, it goes back to $1. You know, it makes sense.

So it can be very volatile. But in terms of like the marketing and the brands that you make, you can get knockout of the night. That's extra $25,000. You can get fight in the night. It's extra $25,000. So you can, there is incentives. There is bonuses. A lot of people will negotiate in their contract like, hey, if I knock out X, Y, and D in seven rounds,

can I get, you know, this much extra on my first? That is not unheard of in these contracts. But in terms of it being standardized, yeah, it's not typically standardized. It's incredible to learn about like the dollars and cents of this space. It's things I've never learned. I'm sure majority of our listeners have never learned. I want to kind of transition to the psychology of it in business and life. And any work that anybody does, there's psychology aspects to how you get ahead.

So going from dollars and cents to psychology, going into the tape fight, you were an underdog. We talked about betting for a second there. You were an underdog statistically. I feel like a lot of people deal with confidence issues. A lot of people deal with imposter syndrome. You're in a sport that you're new to. You're fighting a four-time world champion. On paper, you're an underdog, at least what the statistics are saying.

What are you doing to mentally prepare yourself to not be intimidated by that, to go win knowing that you're going to win? It's hard because it's like every time you open up the internet, you look at anything. It's a lot of bunch of people saying like, buddy, you're going to get rinsed in 10 minutes, if that. And it's difficult because on paper, he did have everything above you. And what I mean by that above you is it's like, you know, he's got the accolades already. He's got the experience. He's been tested trial by combat. He's got all these people, sports analysis, people that make it their career.

and what they monetize off was giving their sports opinions, telling you, like, this fight's not going to last longer than two, three rounds. It'd be a miracle if it went to distance. And you kind of take all that information saying, like, well, what do these people know? These people aren't in camp with me. They don't know what my limits. Only I know my limits. And so if I sit here and I believe what people are telling me,

then that's how hard I'm going to work in these camps. It's something about me that a lot of people don't understand it. The more people tell me I can't do something, the more I want to do it. And so when it was like, when I'm tired from running, 400 meter sprints and I want to quit that last 100 meters. I'm sitting there thinking of all the people that think I'm going to get stopped in my corner. So it kind of pushes me a little bit hard. If I can just get there, then I prove all these people wrong. And then the bar gets set higher and higher every day to where it got to

fight night and you start seeing the cracks in the resilience. And what I mean by that is like, why does this four time world champion everywhere he go goes with 100 people? Why does this four time world champion keep having to tell me he's a four time world champion? Why does he have a weight clause? Why does he have a rehydration clause? Why does he say all these things, like all these people know I'm going to beat you? Why do you have to keep reminding me of that? Because the most dangerous people are the ones that aren't outspoken.

When you see a lion go after a gazelle, he doesn't roar at the gazelle before he goes. He kind of sneaks up on him, you know, even though he knows he's going to win that fight. And I think that he was just a bit too much up front where I kind of called his bluff so much of that poker tour. I was like, I'm calling your bluff. I don't think that you're this guy that you've convinced everybody you are. And I like my odds in this fight. And it reminded me, when you're saying those things, reminds the American gangster Denzel Washington is like the loudest one in the room is the weakest.

And I just, I freaking love it. At what point, let's just assume for a second, he believed he was going to beat you, right? So he's going into this deep down. He thinks he's going to beat you. At what point in the fight, did you see it in his eyes? Do you think he realized he wasn't going to win? I would say it was the fourth round. I threw an uppercut, and I split his face open.

And I told him in the press conference before, I said, I'm going to look you in the middle of your face. In the middle of the rounds, I'm going to ask you what color your Bugatti is. And I remember watching his face bleed. And I said, what color is your Bugatti now? In the middle of the fight, and he didn't say anything back. And I said, oh, you're beat. That was it.

That's how you knew. I love it. You're known for your, especially in the professor of boxing, you're known for your shit talking. And you're really good at it. So much that your last fight, Alex, was literally like saying, enough, you've crossed the line. What are we doing?

And you're like, this is our job to do it. Tell us why. Why is it your job to do it? And what are some of the tactics that you play into that marketing? Yeah, I mean, my friends know this about me as well. Like, I grew up in the call of duty lobbies, you know, search and destroy with the boys. You got about 30 seconds to say everything you can to get in their head.

And I think it's really done something to me, especially in my time in sports, is even in football, in between the plays is when you're talking the most. I think what it does in terms of the fight space is it's like you got to fighting is two things. It's the mental fight and physical fight. It's like, you know, you want to win the physical fight fine, but you've got to win the mental fight as well. It's the mental fight with yourself, the mental fight with your opponent. And I think that wearing them down mentally is a tactic I learned from Muhammad Ali. You just you can't really punch them leading up to the fight.

But if you can break their mind and then break their body, it becomes a lot easier because, you know, a lot of these fighters, they get so angry and it gets so upset. similar to when I fought Alex back in June, he came out there and he was just gunning with the overhand one and knocked me out. People don't understand how much energy that takes, especially if you missed that shot and you tire them out over the course of a fight, then they become sitting ducks. And then you've already broken their mind. Now their body's exhausted. It's weak. And then the fight becomes easy after that. You have a viral moment where you get hit in the head with this egg in one of your press conferences right from an opponent. And I feel like you bring such an interesting strategy to the stare-off.

Does what does the stare-off really like tell you something? Like are you actually looking for signs? Are you trying to read something? Are you trying to intimidate? What goes through your head when you stand up for a standoff? Yeah, obviously I'm looking into them, trying to see everything I can about them. And historically thinking back to again,

Angie Tate, when I looked him in the face and you, a lot of, you could probably find a clip online. I looked him in the face. I said, oh, you're scared. I could see physical fear. I went to school. I studied psychology, human thinking. And it's like a lot of things that people can sense, especially.

It comes with nature about when somebody is, what's the word, emotional or your fight or flight's kicking in. You notice little things like the hair stands up on your skin. Your pupils dilate really big so you can take in what you're seeing. Your breathing gets a little bit heavier. Sometimes people shake. And these are the things that you're looking for in these face off. and I look at them and I'm trying to see like, what are you feeling on the inside?

Are you actually nervous? Are you actually scared? And, you know, a lot of the times I get there, I'm like, oh, you're terrified. I said to Andrew Taylor. I said, oh, you're scared. You're the top G. You're scared of me.

And it was a big confidence builder because it shows that this guy bleeds too. He's human as well. He's got to go in there and he's got to show me why he's this four-time world champion or Alex Petrovick, my most recent title defense. Why are you the champion of your promotion?

You know, why do you guys have to you guys have these aquaids. I need to see it. I want to test it because I believe that I am equally, if not better than you guys. Okay. Then the last question I got for it. So I think it's crazy to see that you're looking at their pupils to see if they dilate. You're looking at their hair to see if it stands. I'm sure you're looking to see if they're sweating or they're moving in any way. That's such. That's a whole different psychology of a sport that we don't really realize. What about the locker? So you're in the locker room. You're about to go down. I mean, you've got to be nervous, right?

Or is it full confidence as you're doing it all, pre-fight and walking down? Yeah, I actually get in trouble with my coaches because I think I'm a little bit too relaxed in the locker because I'm laughing, singing, dancing. But I have to be like that because I come from college sports and things like this where we're all partying in the locker room before the game to get hype.

It's not traditional in combat sports, but it is a form of showing, you know, being nervous as well because I'm going to my comfort zone. That's what my comfort zone is. this laughing and this calm persona. But you know, you'd have to be a serial killer to not be nervous before going into a fight. That's what the fight is. It's your fight or your fight.

The worst part of the fight is when they come and they say, oh, you're up next. You know, that's all the nerves hit you at once. Like, holy crap. Like, you know, it's not so much nervous about going out there and getting hurt. It's going out there and embarrassing yourself and losing. And these is where the nerves come from. And it's like, the more you do that walk and you're going out there and they're doing the announcements. and you still feel all those nerves.

Don't get me wrong. It's all the way up until you walk into the face off. You touch clubs, you go to your corner, and you hear that first bell go off. Then the nurse kind of go at ease. And you throw the job, you're like, okay, I've been here 100 times. Yeah, I love it. It's so cool to walk us through that. I appreciate you doing it.

One thing I also got to have you walk us through is what comes next. And so at the Tommy Fury fight, we saw you jump in the ring. You're stirring shit up and you want a shot at him. It seemed like you almost took like a very respectful approach with him. You're like, hey, man, it would be an honor. You would change my career if I could have this opportunity. He then throws his brother on you. It then becomes this ultimate disaster, this like people are fighting.

The first question I have is that, is any of that staged or does that actually all just unfold naturally? Yeah, I think of it as like people are trying to be entertaining. The theories, they do a notorious job for being able to sell fights. None of it's rehearsed or scripted, if that's what you're asking. Yeah. But they understand. the task at hand. They understand that in order for us to make a lot of money on this fight, people have to care about it. And the thing that bothered me is like, I have no beef against Tommy.

I actually think Tommy's done really well. He's done similar to what I've done in my career. He was kind of the underdog and the Jake Paul fight and the KSI fight. And he won those. And him and I are very similar because we both come from the dating shows reality TV. So I have nothing but respect for the guy. But his brother is the heavyweight championship of the world. One of my favorite fighters, Tyson Fury. But his little brother, this Roman guy, he's kind of just clutching at straws and like that's what what irritates me is it's like it's not that I would not fight him it's just like he's not done anything significant in the boxing space or in the influence of space to deserve that type of fight it would be a step back for me what I mean by that

it's like you don't go from fighting Angie Tate to fighting the brother of the brother of the guy that be Jake Paul you know what I mean it's it's not ideal because it's like I beat him I don't gain anything from that but If he beats me, then I lose everything that I've worked hard for. So it becomes more irritable and a disrespectful thing. But in terms of me going at their dad, John, or provoking this fight with Tommy, that's the fight that I want. It's not the brother. Yeah.

It's risk for war. It's just the risk that you would take on for funny. I wouldn't make sense for the war. So I think that takes this conversation to just what's next. Do you have your next fight scheduled? Do you have some ideas? Do you have some dreams, desires? Where does it look like?

Yeah. Obviously, I got a fight cover. up in Ecuador where I'm going to go fight for a regional title there. But as of last time, I just got approved to fight for the USWBC Silver Heavyweight Championship, which is kind of like the runner-up to the number one contender. So that is a huge opportunity because you go win that fight, then you can challenge for the gold. You win the gold fight. Then you are the number one contender to fight for the heavyweight championship of the world. So I'm essentially two, three fights away from this big $70 to $100 million paycheck to go, you know, fight for the heavyweight

championship of the world, which is almost unheard of in boxing to be able to do within four years that I've been doing it. It's insane. I mean, it's absolutely insane. It's a testament to you, your discipline. It's everything, right? You are a business from the marketing to the selling, to the fighting, to the discipline, to the psychology of it. It's unheard of. But we are starting to see a little bit of this happen with, there's two movies out right now. Obsession in backrooms, backrooms by Kane Parsons, obsessions by Curry Barker. Both of those movies are the top movies in the hit offices, they're both YouTube creators that did these things. So you're starting to see this crossover. What do you think is the next crossover for you? Yeah, I know you hit that big $70, $80 million

paycheck. Let's say you have another massive career in boxing, five, seven, even 10 years, whatever it is. What do you think that next move is when you look at crossover marketing and the way you've done it? Yeah, I think I've done a great job with building a brand around reality and sports is like my goal is obviously I really like the rock. I think he's done a great job with his curse, some of them. I kind of don't want to get into that space of doing movies. Obviously, you talk about obsession and backrooms. I recently did.

I finished up a film last year called The Weeping. He hasn't been released yet, but similar in that horror genre. So that was kind of my first featured film. So that's kind of like where I'm pivoting towards next is focusing a lot of my acting career and getting into some of these big movies. Obviously, a lot of people just watch Christopher Nolan's The Odyssey. The biggest movie in the world right now. but he's had this vision of doing all of that without the CGI and the green screens and kind of trying

to bring it back to like that YouTube, just go out there with the camera and film this thing. Obviously, he's got a much bigger budget. But, you know, I kind of want to get into something like that, you know, whether it be on the hosting side, the producing side or the acting side, obviously. You mentioned The Rock. Would you ever do WWE or is that off the table? No, that's not for me. I got invited to a tryout a couple years ago and I just, my heart was not into that.

at all. Well, it sounds like you have enough things to swing at. So, Chase, you will definitely be on the pod again. It's been a pleasure to have you on. You are the man. Congrats on everything you've accomplished and we're excited to see what's coming. But you got to leave us with the trading secrets. So it could be a life trading secret, financial, career navigation, just something that you can't learn from a professor in a textbook. Chase, what training secret could you leave us with? My trading secret is obviously invest early and invest often. It's easier to recover financially at a young age than it is later in life obviously. So don't be afraid of failure. I know it's very niche and very easy to say. But, you know, the younger you are,

the more opportunity you have for failure. And don't be afraid to restart, whether you're in your 20s, 30s, even 40s, you know, it's never too late to rebrand yourself and to rebuild. I've done it in social media, dating shows, and in multiple sports. So always it's the name of your game. Like I think so many people in life get stuck on this blueprint or this one road. They don't know how to pivot, but like I think you're the textbook example of how pivoting can change your life. Like pivot launch, pivot launch, keep moving it. So great advice. Chase, this was awesome to have you on.

Where can everyone find everything you have going on? Yeah, you can all find me at Chase tomorrow across to all platforms. Right. Chase, appreciate your time. Thank you for being on this episode, Trace Secrets. Thank you, Jason.