Trading Secrets - 329. Jared Freid: The $100K Gamble Behind His Netflix Special, The Business of Comedy & Dating Economics

Episode Date: September 7, 2026

This week, Jason is joined by stand-up comedian, podcaster, and now first-time author Jared Freid for a conversation about the business behind comedy, betting on yourself, and how money, confidence, and relationships are more connected than we think. Three years after his first appearance on Trading Secrets, Jared returns with his second Netflix special, The Family Plan, and breaks down exactly what it took to get there. After spending roughly $80,000 producing his first special, Jared reveals why he invested around $100,000 of his own money into the second, how the licensing economics work, why he partnered with Betches for marketing power, and why that partnership means splitting the licensing fee 50/50. He also shares why landing in Netflix’s Top 10 in the U.S. and Canada for nearly a week still wasn’t enough to guarantee Netflix would finance his next special. Jared also opens up about the economics of his growing comedy career, revealing that touring and the U Up? podcast are currently his two biggest financial drivers. He breaks down the ownership structures behind U Up? and JTrain, why subscriptions have become increasingly important to podcasting, and why paid social partnerships remain more of a bonus than a core piece of his business. Beyond comedy, Jared gets candid about writing his first book, Walking Red Flag, including spending two years on the project, realizing after his first page that he needed a ghostwriter, and paying that expense out of his book advance. He also shares how stepping away from alcohol, his experience with GLP-1s, and rebuilding his relationship with his girlfriend changed his confidence and outlook on life. From investing six figures into your own career to prenups, joint finances, ghosting, dating economics, protecting what you’ve built, and why Jared says he’s never regretted taking a risk—this episode breaks down what it really looks like to build a career without waiting for someone else to give you your big break. Host: Jason Tartick
Audio: John Gurney
Video: Marc Colcer
Guest: Jared Freid Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

It's my favorite time of the year. Fall is right around the corner. And with new seasons come new styles, new wardrobes. But you want to be able to find those things at an affordable price. Discounted the right way, but not getting rid of quality. That's where Quince comes in. Quince focuses on high-quality wardrobe staples made with premium materials like 100% Mongolian cashmere, organic cotton and wool. The styles are timeless, versatile, and designed to become that dependable piece that you reach for every single day. especially as we go into the fall season, the jeans, the long sleeve shirts, everything, the sweaters, it's the place to be. Now, here's the thing that they do. Everything at Quince is priced 50 to 80%

less than similar brands because they work directly with ethical factories and they cut out the middleman. So you're paying for high quality, not brand markup. When I got ready for Europe, I'd say 70% of my wardrobe was from Quince. So the other thing too is it's not just clothing. They have all different essentials like hotel quality, betting, bath to kitchen, and more. But right now, we got a deal. Find your next fall favorites at Quince. Download the Quince app for an app exclusive offer and go to quince.com slash trading secrets. You'll get free shipping on your order and 365 day returns. Now available in Canada and the UK too. That's Quince, Q-U-I-N-C-E dot com slash trading secrets. Welcome back to another episode of Trading Secrets. Today we're joined

Again by a guy who went from insurances to taking the comedy space by storm. It's Jared Freed, stand-up comedian, podcaster, now first-time author of Walking Red Flag Dating Advice from your favorite guy friend. Jared hosts two podcasts. He is now the go-to voice on comedic elements and hot takes on modern dating and relationships. Jared was on this show back in 2023. He was geared up for his first Netflix special, 37 and single. We talked about all things.

what the middle class of comedy really earns. He walked us through what it actually cost to produce a stand-up special. A lot has changed from then. He now has a Netflix premiere for his second show, The Family Plan. It's out September 1st, and we got to talk all things, numbers, growth, life, maybe even personal relationship. We got a lot to cover three years in the making. Jared, welcome back to trading secrets. It is a pleasure to be here.

Thank you for having me back. I texted you out of the blue Please have me, let me come back And you let me back in I'm pumped to be here It's great to see you I feel like has your accent gotten thicker Did you move to Nashville and sound more like

Wait, what's my talk to me? You got a scalco going I do? You're doing Wait, actually? I feel like maybe it's gotten thicker Maybe we haven't talked in a while Interesting

I heard it on the way and I was like It was like you were doing Sebastian Manuscalco You got I mean I'm gonna take that as a cop I know I was just like Maybe I never noticed it before. Well, I mean, I grew in Buffalo.

I know this. It's all Italian. Like, every one of my friends, Joe Mariano, Tony Scha. Right. You know, it's all like. Well, that's the thing. Manuscaco, I'm sure everyone thought that was like New York, but it's like, it's really not. It's really Chicago.

And then Buffalo, Italian, maybe it's a mix of Buffalo, you know, New York and Chicago. Because you're, you know, Buffalo people don't know. Jewish, too. Are you? Yeah. My mother's are gross. Oh, so you're technically, I'm fully Jewish. You're fully Jewish on the, yeah, the, you can get on.

birthright. That's funny because the Jews and Italians, you know, there's a vibe. There's a family thing. I mean, the whole special is about going to the beach with my parents. Okay. It's a one-hour story about going to the beach with my parents. My dad, in 2018, we were sitting at the beach, we're sitting in a circle, and my dad asked me how much I weighed. And I was so angry. I was so annoyed. I was like, why would you ask that question at the beach? And that turned into, did you answer him? We got to watch a special on Netflix right now. Go watch it. Go check it out. It is a, and it's all about my family. It's all about family. It's all about, and I think you know, this you seem close to your family.

Very close. I start by saying I vacation with my parents as an adult and it's weird. And I talk about being on the family plan. My parents pay my cell phone bill and I could afford it myself, but it's still kind of weird. The millennial boomer relationship is weird that were tied to them in ways our parents were never tied to their parents. And it's all about that because I first started telling about this story about my dad asked me how much I weigh and I was like and people were like, your dad sounds like an asshole. I was like, it's not like that.

I'm not mad at them, but I'm mad at them. Yeah. And then it turned into, okay, well, maybe I've got to explain my parents. Maybe I've got to explain our relationship. Maybe I can explain my mom how she saves beach chairs when we go on vacation at 2 in the morning. Like all this stuff. And then it turned into this really unbelievable thing because I was sitting here with you three years ago. Yeah.

With a special coming out. I'm like, it's coming. But I had this other thing in my back pocket. You already had this in your back pocket because this happened in 2018. Right. I was already telling this on stage. So the special was coming out, 37 and single. It was a lot of jokes tied together.

that were mine and you know when you first start comedy you're telling jokes because you're just like I need to get a laugh I need to get a laugh I want to I want to go to the next level there's no promotions in stand-up comedy there's very few moments where you're like I'm on the next thing and so it's a it's just a blank canvas it's a blank canvas now more than ever with social media the digital space I mean it's a whole different ballgame you play you write your own thing even the roads that were there when I first started are not what they were It used to be go to open mics, find your people, write your five minutes, get on a late night show, maybe go on Comedy Central, do a half hour, then maybe end up on a writing room or touring the country.

S&L, like, literally the pinnacle, right? S&L, you kind of get pulled from it. Okay, so it's more bureaucracy. S&L is definitely the job that, like, you don't have to explain yourself. It's like the best resume item you can have. Sure. It's pre, you're funny, no matter what. Like, you know, but anything else, you're like, if you're not on SNL and then people will ask me, like, would you, of course, I'd think about it.

But like at this point, I have things I've created. Okay, let's talk about that, though. Sure. So you were on here three years ago. You talked about the fact comedians, if you could create a special, that's the dream. If Netflix can pick up your special, that's the ultimate dream. If they don't, you said it becomes this expensive business card. The last time, three years ago, you said it cost 80K to produce the special.

How much did it cost this time around? This is about 100. 100. Okay. It went up. Yeah. That's probably on par with inflation, right? Yeah, it goes with inflation. It also goes with the fact that there's more people making specials. Yeah, they're like everywhere right now.

So you'd think the price would go down based on that. Good point. But you go, there's more people making specials, you know, the, but then maybe they're charging more. The real dream to go back at that is have your special come out on Netflix. It does so well that Netflix is like, we got to make the next one together. We'll pay for it. Here's a bag of money. And that didn't happen for me. What is so well? What are the metrics of so well? That's the problem. You don't really know. They basically, you check in with them the first 10 days, the first 30 days, and then they go, great doing business with you.

But you were in the top 10. I was in the top 10, U.S. and Canada, for almost a week. Okay. And the feedback was it didn't get outside of my audience. Okay. So it stayed within your audience, but you're still on Netflix. You now produce the second special. Let me ask you about this, though. Sure. You're now proactively again going to pitch them.

What does that pitch process look like? I wish it was more formalized. It wasn't. It was basically like, good luck. If you have another one, send it along. And, you know, that messes with you. It was very tough because you put out this thing and you're like, I want the next thing. Sure.

I want the next level. And I also had this special, the one that's coming out now, it was who I am as a comedian. This story is how I do comedy. Like, this is all true stories. Again, I took that one story. I grew it an hour. Over the course of a year, worked on it for two years,

did it in the U.S., Canada, Europe, Australia, New Zealand. I did it everywhere. It works everywhere. There's no holes in the special. I have never been more proud of something. And it's about my family. My parents, they would bring their friends to the show. They loved it.

Their friends loved it. My friends loved it. And I made it with Betches again, who, again, Betches is family to me, Jordana, Sammy, and Aileen to make it with them. And it's for, I believe, a huge audience. What holes do you think

were in your first special? There were jokes that you go that's pretty good. That's not who I am today. I would have cut the fat on that one. I would have done that. You know, the best part of a stand-up is you always can work on it. You can always make it better. And then you got to tape it. And then it's over. Like, I can't go back to that. You got no shot. There's no redoes once you

tape that special. You tape it. It's an ink. And also, I abide by that when I go on the road. How many people are in that crowd? And your Netflix special crowd. I think it was 800, 700. Terrytown, New York. Oh, Terrytown Music Hall. Okay.

It was great. Are you like nerves? What are the nerves? No nerves. There's no nerves. This special was done to death. I wanted to tape it. I could have taped it a few months earlier.

It was a personal. I only make fun of people, and I say on the special, I tell stories that are true, and I only make fun of people I know or would want to meet. You know, when I made fun of The Bachelor, when I'm cracking jokes about you.

What happened to the Bachelor, by the way? I hope it comes back. I hope I'm, I love The Bachelor. I think he'll come back. I think it's too much. Why do they make Spider-Man 5? You know, it's a franchise. That's what I think.

I think that's too big. It'll take time, but I think it'll come back. It's going to come back. I think the premise of The Bachelor is also like, the Petri dish is perfect. It's one man dating 30 women, 30 men, dating one woman. Like, people like that. If you get the right characters, if you do it right.

When you talk about writing, it's dated. It's like the process is dated. The turnover time's dated. I think they could do things to it to make it more fun and more relatable. I think the power of love is blind is they're all in one city. It can happen. You do need reality in your reality TV. Sure. So I think the power of love is blind wherever these young people, but they're in the same city. You go, okay, where do we move? Where do we live? Could we get engaged in this? We all kind of know similar people who know the same bars.

That's why I think love is blind why people relate to, I think out of the pods is better than in the pods. The ultimate relatable show right now is Love Island, of course. That's really, I don't find that relatable. Maybe not to you, but I mean, they had 13.1 billion streaming minutes in the first week. I know, but I try watching it. It's, first of all, it's too much for me. I can't keep up. Right.

As far as the schedule is concerned, I just can't. But I've watched a few episodes, and it just feels very young to me. One quick note on The Bachelor before, because we're going to go back to the special in the career. On the Bachelor front, I saw that you're doing this cruise. Is that cruise still going down? What's happening with this? I know, I'm going on a cruise. Is it still going?

I think it's still going. I'm excited. I think it's... Because you're not like... You're more in Bachelorsal nation than I am right now. Right. Listen, I basically... I saw they were doing a cruise.

I was like, I got to get on this. I wanted to go. I was like, I should do my live scream with one of the people and do like an old episode. So I think I'm doing that. I think I'm doing it with Ben Higgins. We're going to go watch one of his old episodes and I'm going to like make fun of it

while he's on stage with me, which is so much fun. I love The Bachelor Nation. I love the people who love that show. I like the fodder of dating and relationships. I think that's an interesting thing to talk about. I find that my opinion in that space isn't as crowded for me as a straight guy. You know, I, the Bachelor, the reason I got into doing it was like stand up in comedy.

I think what angers people and what I don't necessarily respect, like, not my type of comedy, is someone talking about something that has nothing to do. do with their life. Like, that, I think, is what angers people. Why are you here? Who does that? I don't know, like a professional. I think a lot of professional.

If you get into politics that have nothing to do with you that you don't even care about. So you create a straw person to go, well, my friend is really angry about whatever that political thing is. And now you can talk about. But is that to relate to the audience because it's a relevant topic? Why else would you do it? Well, because you would do it because I think it's easier. I think it's easier to talk about politics.

because you know who's on your side and who's against you. So you know that before, and everyone knows about it, there's a picture already in their head. Sure. So you talk about Mitch McConnell, everyone goes, I can see Mitch McConnell. You know, like, when I talk about my parents, and I'm saying this, you could say, well, you're saying this to make, I think what I'm doing is a different thing than that. And when I talk about my family, and I'm taking personal stories that I think are universal, but I got to paint the picture of my dad, I got to paint the picture of my mom, and

And you gotta say that is so something my mom does. And that makes me feel as far as, I guess I don't want to talk shit about someone who does that other version. But what makes me feel fulfilled is when someone comes out to me and goes, your family's just like mine. I love that. And I never thought I would like that. Like when I started comedy, I just want to be funny. There's no heroics in going into stand-up. Sure.

It's all about me. I want to be funny. I want to get laughs. You know, like I'm no hero. And then I started doing this story and talking about. you know, as Tony Kornheiser calls the key of me, when I stay in eye mode, I do this,

I don't do, and I try to stay away from men do this, women do this, I do this. Because when you say men do this in comedy, you're kind of like softening the blow. Oh, we all do this. So now I'm not as big of a dick. Sure. When I say I, I am mad at my dad for asking

me how much I weigh while I was at the beach of my bathing suit, I am being very revealing that I have insecurities about my body. If I was like, most people get mad when they're asked how much they wait at the beach, it softens it. So what I've been trying to do, and this is my goal in comedy, is to speak like that. If I'm speaking in terms of groups, I go, well, what about me? I, you know, I'm talking right now. So when I go on the road, if it's on a special, it's there, it's done.

Now I've got to do a new story because I want people to go to my road show. But right now, you know, like, I'm so excited about this to come out. I'm like, I hope people are into this type of comedy because you know you follow comics. Like, it's all crowdwork and clips. And this is a long form piece. Long form piece. I mean, that's how you bring them in. That's how you put your name out there when you said last time no one is plucking you from obscurity.

Nobody. I feel like that it's kind of your story, though. I think your story, like if I had to define it, your career track, which has been continually growing year over year over year. trying but it's it's like an indie it's like indie vibes like you're doing it yourself it's not like you have like some big agency or big connection at the top that's pulling you and like everything you get it feels like you are busting your fucking ass for is that a real i wish it wasn't the case i want someone to pluck me please someone i want to relax for five minutes i yeah i do i take a lot of pride in that and then i'm also like it's kind of what

gets me annoyed. You know? Like I would love for someone to be like, we saw the special. I can see the sitcom. Yeah. Which I think it is. The special is a sitcom. It's an episode of Seinfeld.

That's how I describe the special. I'm like, this is one episode of Seinfeld. Maybe Larry David-ish. Listen, Larry David, one of the writers of Seinfeld. You know, I'm not trying to like, I'm trying to pump my own tires. I'm like, I believe in the special. The last one, I believed in me as a comedian and I wanted people to go watch it. But I'm like, these are all, you know, it was harder for me to push the last one.

Now I can, I am like, I am just like, this is how I do comedy. Take it or leave it. Let's talk business about it. Sure. You're sold on it. You're ready to go, right? You drop 100K into it. You got betches behind you.

Right. How does a split work? Like, how much is betches putting behind it? And if it is successful, how does that 100K pay its dividend back to you? Is there potential royalties? Do you get a licensing fee? How does it work? No.

So they give you. a licensing right up front. Okay. So this is kind of the interesting part and the business play if you want to get into the business decision. Betches, I am teaming with Betches so that I can have their power as a marketer.

That was my thinking. They didn't give me money to go make this special. I am paying, I paid up front, me, and then I brought them as partners with me so that when it comes out, they will promote it. So at a minimum, I'm going to have the power of Betches promoting my YouTube special if it has to go on YouTube or promoting my Hulu or Netflix, wherever it went, Betches would be a partner in promoting the special for half of what I was given.

Okay, so they're going to get 50% of the fee. 50% of the fee. And then they promote the shit up. And then I need you to hold hands with me and promote it. And I would hope that a streamer would see, oh, plus he's got these numbers from this media company. And, you know, that would help me to sell it. Interesting.

So that was the thinking, like, hey, if you buy, if you buy my special, you'll have me and Betches to promote it, which built in is more than anyone at my level of comedy. When you sell it, when you sell it, and I know you probably can't give the exact number, but is it like a 2x, 3x return? It's not. It's not a loss. It's going to be, I think it's like 220. Okay. And then I pay for PR. And listen, I sold life insurance.

I got a series seven. Like I have a little bit of financial knowledge. When I think about anything, I think about economics. When I think about dating, a lot of that, my dating perspective, is economics. You know, like that scarcity mindset and, you know, I always say make yourself scarce. It's just a lot of like incentives. I believe in incentives. Align scarcity and incentives with dating for me.

Dating, make yourself scarce. Like, if you're just because you hooked up with someone doesn't mean you will hook up with someone. So I think like if you're like one night stand, people are like, oh, can a one night stand turn in relationships? Yeah, sure. I think just because you did doesn't mean you will. Sure. So you go on the second date, hey, let's go out.

And they're like, well, why don't you come hang out? Well, just because I did doesn't mean I will. Sure. So you're making yourself a scarce good. Hey. That's a wild. Well, I'm just saying. Now tell me the answer.

Well, also you go on a, you know, hey, I want to go out with you. You know, let's do something else. You know, like I think when someone doesn't get back to your text, and you've got to let them know, like, hey, I can go out next week. Okay, sorry, if you won't take me out, I'm turned off. I'm moving on. When you get ghosted, the reason people hate getting ghosted is because they're like afraid that they got duped.

When you get ghosted, you're like, how did someone that I thought was a good person just disappear? Like connects to fraud. It's like, yeah. You start to doubt yourself. And then you go, oh, you know what, now I'm living in fear of this person who could trick me before coming back again. So I always say you should break up with a goaster. If you break up with a ghoster, hey, it really annoys me that you haven't gotten back to me.

Gotcha. I'm going to take that. That's really turned me off. I'm going to end this. I don't want to date you anymore. I don't want to hook up with you anymore. Do you know the best tip, how to break a ghoster if you're being ghosted? Sure.

This is from Chris Voss, head of FBI negotiation. Have you heard of Chris before? I haven't. Okay. So he would say that you text them and say, have you given up on whatever? it is. Have you given up on our date? Have you given up on us? If they respond, there's tactical empathy. They're showing empathy towards your vulnerability. Literally saying, have you given up on me. If they don't respond, you have your answer and how they respond will give you information.

So if you're looking and listening response, he says, have you given up on will work. The problem is with the people pleaser, they're always going to be nice. I guess my problem with the FBI professional who's a pro at this. I disagree a little bit. I don't mean I'm an idiot. Well, he would say if they're being nice, but they're giving empathy to, hey, sorry, I was busy. I had my mom's birthday, but let's go out next Tuesday. Right. That's different nice than, oh, sorry, I missed out on this. We'll figure it out.

Like, he's like, that gets you your answer. That makes sense. Because I'm, I, the problem I have with asking a ghost or a question is like, they're going to do everything they can to not be evil. You know, I think a ghoster doesn't want to be a ghoster or known as a ghoster. I think in these times of like, they're running. I don't want to be a dick. So they're disassociating. Well, the ghosting was them being afraid of having an adult conversation with you.

I think that's like, you know, ghosting gets villainous. It's villainous, but I tend to believe in people a little bit more where people are ghosting because they're uncomfortable. It's hard to be like, hey, I had a really good time with you, but I just don't see a future for this. That's a really hard to Texas end. And so they're like, I'd rather do nothing. Nothing is always easier than something. So this kind of ties into your book, right? Like walking red flags.

It feels like you and Nick Vial are like the two male voices of dating. Nick won't have me on. I'm free. I'll come on to promote my special. Why won't he have you on? I don't think he wants to hear from another straight dude. You think he's afraid of a competition? I think he's afraid.

I actually do. I actually believe that wholeheartedly. What straight men does he have on there that are funny and fun? And that have an opinion that would ever disagree with him? I don't even know. But there's something. I don't know, I'll go on and talk to him. All right.

I'd love to go on. He came on J-Train. He came on my show. Yeah, yeah. It was right when he was starting. He was getting off the ground. Hey, come on the show. I'll tell you what.

I'm waiting for my invite. We'll get into J-Train and add you up podcasts because you've had the, those are ancient. I'm an old man. I'm 41. Please watch my special. I'm trying to get out of it. I'm an old man. Yeah, I've been in it.

All right. The thing is about Nick. I don't know him very well. We've met in passing. I'd love to go on the show because I'm always. looking to like find people as you know again I don't have like the network working with me like I need to go and find people that love what I do because I put out my goal is to be funny and make your day better right and that's it that's the show that's the that's the that's the special

it's funny and it makes you I made a special when they told me it didn't get out of your people I was like but I'm more than there's more people I know I'm a broad act I go on the road I can make every room I go on the road I don't do comedy clubs, whoever walks in. I'm going to make that room go. I'm going to make it funny for whoever walks in. So when the feedback was, you didn't get outside your own audience, I'm like, but I'm so much more than doing a single schick.

I want to talk about everything. But I want to be personal and funny and vulnerable. And so this special is that. When I watch people come with their parents, that's amazing. Now you've got different demographics in the game. Right. And I've got to grow. And listen, I would love to go on Nick's show because I would want to go on there and be funny.

Not to be mean to him. You know, like, I don't want to be, I'm not trying to argue with him on every point. We'd probably agree on 99% of things. And, you know, he had, you know, he had the old man show. What was the old man? The dating show, the age gap show. Oh, yes, yes, yes. Yeah.

And I watched the age gap show. And what's your hot take on the age gap show? It was fine. It was a little weird. Yeah, yeah. It didn't really. I forgot about that show. There's so much content.

There's so much stuff. That's, you're up again so much here. It's crazy. Well, that's why you're getting out of the business. You're in management now. You saw. Unfortunately, I'm still in the damn business. But you see, but you saw you're like, I, you know, I'm sure there's a piece of you that's like, okay, how much energy do I have for, you know, putting my life on social media?

Sure. But what's crazy is like that business this year will do 20 million in revenue, gross revenue. And still, I mean, obviously, you got a lot of expenses and you're building equity in the business. The number one profitable venture for me that's grown every single year, year over year, is content creation, which is insane. And that's what's crazy about this space in this world. Hang out, I got to talk about the dating before we move on back to the special. Because obviously it's trading secrets, right? We talk about loving money all the time.

So you've got to have some hot takes. You have a girlfriend now, Emily. I want to hear your loving money takes. So pre-num, joint accounts. How do you talk about this stuff? It's a very tough thing for people to deal with. It's tough to do. Do you have a take on pre-nups?

I know so little about that space The thing that I've kind of stuck to is like Be curious You know like That's a great I think that's a really good piece of it I think that's like the What's that about?

I think it came up at one point Like pre-nup But I was like who even talking about Like do you need one? Do you need one? Like I think if you're both sitting there going Who needs one? You're too poor to be fucking talking about it

Like I think that's like One of those things I'm like whenever I hear someone like Talk about well pre-nups I'm like you you have that much money? Like, I don't know. And but now, you know, I can understand that like...

We'll get married later. Buried later. And also, maybe that's a better way to start. You know, like maybe having a pre-up is what gets you into a conversation about money that you never would have had. So, again, any conversation is a good conversation. How about joint, like your podcast and you wrote a book about this, right? People call in with questions. Sure.

What's your take? You and Emily, you get married. Joint accounts? So, that's what... You know what? It's a... We're still talking. talking about it. So when we got back together, we dated a few years ago. I wasn't, and

related to money, I just didn't feel comfortable as a provider. I didn't feel comfortable in my own life to move into the next phase, no matter who I was dating at the time. That's not personal to her. It's just, and I felt something with her. I really did. And I just, and I think you know this more than anyone, that hump before social media. I think that I want to be able to go and talk about my life. Like the fact that you could look her up and find out her name. I want to go and talk. I talk about my life on stage. I don't want to hide anything.

Sure. So when I was dating someone and it started to feel like I was hiding them was when I felt like I needed to make a decision. Sure. And I made a decision. I said, listen, I just can't do it. I got a thing in my stomach

that's not letting me do it. And I ended it. And then we didn't talk for two and a half years. Wow. And I got a text for, and I had a lot of, like, debating, you know, making promises to myself. Okay, if this happens, I'll message her.

If I'm still thinking about it. or I'll message her. And I would, I thought about every, like bargaining back and forth. A lot of bargaining. And also while over the course of that time, I stopped drinking. What made you stop drinking? My dad, my dad was, we were playing. Your dad caused you a fat answer. No, Gary, I'm not even, you're not even far away from it. Sounds like your dad's, you actually, your dad's, like the trauma, your dad's instilled on you has actually led to a lot of your success. Absolutely. My parents are my conscience. I think, The enraging part about parents is they're always 10% right.

Yeah, yeah, yeah, that's true. That's the part that really is annoyed. Whether the right or the wrong, it hurts. It hurts. A lot of people will hit, throw punches, you're just, it's air punches. But when parents say it, whether it's right or wrong, it fucking hits. It might be wrong. They might be doing it the wrong way.

My dad asked me how much I weigh at the beach. Yeah. It hurts because I and myself know I need to lose a little weight. Yeah. So I have this whole story about going to China. I remember they mixed up the dates I was supposed to be in China. So they got there a day later I was at the airport

I'm at that section where they have all the signs I'm like looking for the sign with my name on it I was gonna be a big shot you know how cool do you feel when they have the sign up and you're like that's me

take your luggage right of course you can you know what I'm like I actually always feel like a douchebag I take my luggage because they always be like I'm like no I appreciate I got it I'm a man

I can handle this I like the sign I like the sign and here's how you know they know that you're not that someone else is paying for the car when you go to take a picture with the guy with the sign? That's a real show

that you have no money. When you see the guy with the sign, you're going to go, and let's go. If you don't do that, if you're like, oh, I'm going to take a picture! That's me. You know the guy's judging you too.

Of course. You're like, you're like, trying to take a picture. Here's this donkey. Oh, he's probably going to try and sit in the front seat. I better

I better make sure my my briefcase is in the front seat so this idiot doesn't sit in the front with me. Oh, hey, yeah. Before we go to China, why do you have to drink? So my dad and I were playing golf and he's like what what would you what do you think what would you do what would you he goes he's like about to drive and he goes well well what would you say would make you feel better if you did it for a month and I'm like okay Danny Tanner I know you're trying to like tell me to stop drinking for a month and I'm like probably stop drinking for a month and he goes I think that would help you and I go well I'm going to be an Rochester doing

shows where in Rochester a comedy on Carlson great club fun club my MBA in Rochester lived there for five years Rochester fun town but at the time I go oh

Rochester I have to drink in Rochester and then I was like I'm also going to be in Nashville this month you know Nashville I go you got to drink in Nashville that's like the most fun place on earth and I'm saying this out loud

and I'm going fuck I just told I just said I have to drink whether it's fun or not fun to get through it. Sure. And I'm like, I could take a month. Let me just make sure I can. I think like a check-in. So I took the month.

Were you over-drinking? I was definitely using drink to... I was using alcohol to avoid. To avoid feelings, to avoid... You know, I would go out in the West Village and, like, I wasn't even, like, going out and talking to women. From the cellar to...

And this is also, like, after the specials on Netflix, I have this other material. I want people to see. People are coming to my shows on the road. They're like, I thought you did this other type of comedy. This is amazing. Like, the comments I'm getting are, like, telling me that 37 and single doesn't really show who I am as well as this new comedy that I'm doing.

And I felt that. I was like, and I would go to Wilfian Nels on the way home. I'd, like, kind of find a place in the corner, and I'd sit there and look at my phone and drink. And I drink and I eat. I consume very similarly. I tend to binge. But having four martinis, I feel lucky that four martinis doesn't make me an asshole.

You know, some people make you an asshole. Some people makes you sad and knocks you out. Me, it made me eat, you know, and I'm like four martinis in the corner of Wilfiannell. I'll take an Uber home 0.5 miles, so I'm not even walking. And that's embarrassing. And then the same delivery guy from the diner

who I'm on a first name basis with will show up with a couple of bacon egg and cheeses and rinse and repeat the next day. And I was in like a bit of a cycle. So I was like, let me take this month to like make sure I can get out of the cycle and whatever. And I got to the end of the month. It was my buddy's wedding and I was like,

I was doing all the old guy shit. I really like my mornings. You know, I like my sleep. Schedule. Schedule. Food tastes better. Nice dessert instead of drinks. Right. I go to bed. So I'm at this wedding and I end up, that was going to be when I drank with all my college friends.

And I was like, you know what? I'm going to, I'm good. I'm going to. I kind of was like, I shelved it. And I got back. A month later, I go back to Boka and I hadn't moved to Del Rey yet. And my dad was like, you're still not drinking? And I was like, yeah, I'm not.

I'm still, I kept it going. I was like, I like, I like, I like, I like, I'm not trying to say I'm sober. I think that puts too much pressure on it. And also, it's not a world that I'm looking to co-op. Like, I think a lot of people like Zach Clark, I think what he does is very heroic and amazing. I feel even saying that I'm sober would be too much that I don't want to be, I don't. It's not your brand.

It's a decision you're made of a lifestyle. Yeah, it's just not who, it's not become a part of my life in that way. And I appreciate people who do that and can help people by talking about it. I'm just, I don't want to be that for somebody. Sure. And my dad was like, still not drinking. I was like, no, I'm still. I like the sleep.

and he goes, damn it, I thought I'd kill two birds with one stone. I thought I could get you to stop drinking and you'd lose some weight. I was like, it was like a push this way and then punch with the left hand. I was like, you piece of shit. And I was so mad. And then, yeah. And so the not drinking thing plays into all this. Going on a gLP one also goes on to this.

I think the noise. If anyone's negative about a GL, if you're out there, like, being like, well, what's the data? I think you're horrific. I think you're horrible. How much does your GLP1 cost? I think 350. Yeah. I'm not spending it on food, though.

I mean, I can tell you that right now. Yeah, yeah. What I spend on Wagovi, I get at Costco. It's the best Costco purchase in the world. What I get, what I spend on that, offset by what I'm not spending on food. And how much weight have you lost on it? Not enough to get my parents to stop. telling me to up my dosage.

How about your blood? I always say... I don't give a shit. To me, that's all I care. It's like if you're taking something for that are the insides. Like who cares? Like body image?

Yeah, but you're a skinny guy. No, no, no, no, no, no, no, is your liver right? I don't care. I hope it, if it all disintegrates inside my body and I still feel this good, I don't give a fuck. I, I, this is all shit skinny people say to you. No skinny people has ever, no skinny person ever comes out to you and it's like, stop eating the burger.

It might be my kid. kill you. But when it comes to a GLP1, they're like, well, what about your your bone density? It's like, fuck off. Oh, no, I'm a big proponent of GLP1. No, but I know, I know you're not, but I'm saying this is... I would tell you if I wasn't. I think I'm a huge proponent. But no person with weight issues that dealt with this

their whole life, as I have, yeah. We'll even get a step further than my mind is so different now. That's what I think gives you small wins, which builds massive momentum. Huge. And it shows you a win.

And like, that's, that's... Well, the mental, the mental, like, when I, I mean, a brief story. I did Jeff Lewis live. Jeff Lewis is awesome. This guy, and his show is awesome, and he invites, he has you come a half hour before taping to hang out with the people you're going to be on with,

which I think is such an old school, fun thing. I get there half hour early, Carney Wilson, she's there. Carney Wilson, from Wilson Phillips. I'm like, holy shit. Carney Wilson, she goes, Jared, nice to meet you. You've got to try my Biskopf cookie cake. I love feeding people.

I make this Biskopf cookie cake. And I'm like, I'm on a Giof, GLP 1 I go, oh yeah, I'll try. I tried a little bite and then I went on with my day. If I wasn't on a GLP1, it would have been one of two things. It would have been one bite and then

binging the rest of the week. You'd find me naked, covered in brown sugar in an alley. Or it would have been Carney, I'm sorry, I can't. I just had a tough weekend. I got to get back on track. I can't do this right now. And now I'm the weirdo turning down Carney Wilson's baked goods.

So it's like that little change is such like and people give you know the the cutting corners all those things that I've heard before it's like we don't do that to people on ADD medication and I I think it's more like ADD medication than it is a weight loss drug so but I've lost 10 pounds and I feel like that's fine but the mindset you feel so much better the the pressure that I would feel to go to the gym if I ate wrong for lunch that used to be such a like a heavy guilt heavy so much guilt so much guilt is the one god forbid you skip it then the guilt just magnifies and then and then i'm eating to cover up the guilt or i'm drinking again to deal with

not having to deal with my feelings like all of it was connected yeah and when i to bring it back to my relationships when she came back you know she came back into my life and i just felt i didn't have all that pressure of like waking up and having to get all these other things done so that i could be than in a relationship. And that's really been wonderful. It's worth acknowledging. I hate even saying it out loud. I don't want to make excuses

because I wish I had the confidence to have been in the relationship I was in. Like I think a lot of it has to do with confidence. Everything I do has to do with confidence. I'm in comedy because of lack of confidence, but then I couldn't do bits I wanted to do because I didn't have the confidence to do the bits because I was

so in a rush to be funny and prove I'm funny, so I'm doing bits that weren't really me. You know, like if I... And it's that confidence that also connects to your relationship, which connects to your career, which is why it didn't work out

in the first time and now it's working around the second time too. Feels that way. And so how long have you guys been together? Since, we're like eight months.

Eight months? And like, what is the future look? I hope she moves out. I'm trying to, we're trying to figure out. This is the other thing. To come back to money, everything's a constant negotiation.

I don't feel uncomfortable talking about anything with her because I don't have any doubt about us. I think when you have doubt about the thing, it's hard to get into the other things. Yeah, if the foundation's fucked, you're not going to go anywhere.

Right. It's not going to move. I see a future with us. Right. And I see a few. I want a future with us. So I'm like, okay, money. What do you say?

Like the first money thing we talked about was like, what are you spending on rent? And here's what I'm spending here. How do you envision this working out? And how do you envision? And she's in wealth management. She has her own career and is like amazing on what she does. So she has a better understanding of this than I ever would. Yeah.

So. I don't know, that's like a moving thing. I think the short answer of everything you've said so far, which I think is really good relationship advice. Just stay curious. If you're curious, you'll find and navigate your way towards how it should be. When you come in hard-nosed, no, no, no, there's this that. It's not going to work.

Well, that's always the thing when people write into the podcast and write their dating questions. That's how I can always tell. If it's a question that I can answer easily now or could in a relationship or I couldn't before, I know where the guys. coming from. I know what he's holding out on. What was dating like being in your late 30s, two and a half years single in that period? So it was it was hard for me to, you know, the curiosity thing. It was hard for me to envision losing what I'd already had built. And I think that's a

big thing for a lot of, and then you go, what'd you build? I was in a studio apartment sleeping on my pile of my clothes. But I think a lot of people at a certain age, you're particularly, you're protecting your peace. You're like, I used to do these single pep talks. It would be a pep talk to single people. Yeah, yeah, yeah. To be like, you're doing great. And then I would bring up like a straw man. I'd invent a guy with his girlfriend. And the guy was like, didn't want to try a bite of her bacon, egg and cheese. And I'm like, he was like, no, I got an apple back at home. And it's like, you could have been with a guy who wanted an apple instead of a bacon egg and cheese. So like that was the whole premise. But it was also to let people know that like most people who are single at a certain age, they're pretty okay. Like, they're doing fine. They have good friends.

They have a good job. They got some money. They're saving. All that is, like, handled. The only thing they're trying to figure out is find someone who makes their good life even better. And that's really hard because that's a risk. The only thing that could have ruined my life as a single person was a woman. And I mean that with, like, a wink and a nod because the same goes for a woman.

There's a woman out there. The only thing that could ruin, like, the only risk that she could take right now is, is being with the wrong guy. Sure. Because there's someone who's 36 and single and living in the West Village who's a really fabulous, awesome woman. And she's meeting people who like,

I got to make sure that they fit into what I've built. And that's a problem, that's a good thing. But you get too protective. Last dating question I got for you is, what do you think the biggest misconception? Most of your audience is women, right? Yeah. Right?

So what do you think the biggest misconception of women that women have of men, given the fact that's your audience and that's what you talk about. I think the misconception is that men are either one of two things. That men are either someone with no emotional intelligence or they're a master manipulator when the reality is somewhere in between. Or no. What do you mean?

What if they're not a manipulator, right? I'm saying but manipulator. I don't know that every man is in between. I think every man is in between. I don't I I I I I I I mean by that is not there's a lot of shitty men I don't but I'm saying I'm not saying every man's manipulative I'm saying that to assume that a guy doesn't know what he's doing when he's doing it the guy not texting you back I think what they go is he either doesn't know anything or he tricked me into hooking up with him for six months you know what I mean I don't mean it as I I hear what you're coming from but I don't mean it as mean as that I this is a more empathetic view than that I I think it's like he's just a guy trying to to get by just like you. And it's not someone who led you along for two years and somehow made it so you, you know, blow him without him having to get in a relationship. Like I, like, you're smarter than that. Also, he's smarter than that. He's not like, oh, you texted. You know,

like I think a lot of guys are put into one of two camps. Interesting. So, you know, I think you're what you're saying is like their men aren't as malicious as they, they might have ghosted you, but the intent might not be as malicious as they're getting labeled. It's not as malicious, and it's also they're not as stupid. Fair, okay. We're a little teeter-totter here. Right. In the middle, I hear where you're the way it sounded, but that's not how I meant.

I meant it more like, because every email I get is, does he know that I texted him three times? Or is it like, did he know that, you know, I wanted to get married? You know, like, you know, you go, yeah, of course he knew. Yeah, yeah, yeah. I guess the way to explain it is in my 20s when I dated it. I'd be like I'd introduce people to my parents. And I love my parents.

They're important to me. But it wasn't like, oh, my God. Like, my parents didn't put the pressure on me that this is the one you'll marry if we're meeting them. It wasn't like that. I think for a lot of guys, it's like that where you go, you meet my family. Like, they're cool, but they're not going to, like, hold it against me forever that that person isn't who you ended up with. I wouldn't do that in my 30s. you know, or I do it less.

I would be like, I started to understand that meeting my parents might mean something to them that it doesn't mean to me. Yeah. And then you try to act differently. I perceive that as an area of growth. Like I think a lot of men have no idea what a feeling is. They can't name a feeling. They don't know a feeling.

You grow in your 30s. If you haven't developed the idea of understanding what feelings mean and labeling them and seeing the significance of other people's feelings and the impact it means introduced them to your parents, I think there's no way you're growing. Right. No, I don't know. It's, again, the answer is all that's hard and difficult, but it's also, I hear what you're saying. I just, I think you're right, it's growth. I think more people grow like that. I hope they do. Grow like what? I think more people learn from their mistakes when they, and that's why you become more protective as you get older. Like when you start to date in your 30s, late 30s, you're so protective of all those scars, of all those ways that you scarred other people that you're, it's almost a reaction to that. For sure, I think so.

Okay, last question I got on dating. We're talking business here, right? The book, Simon & Schuster, the publisher. Talk to me about the economics, the advance, what it look like. They give you an advance. The book process, I mean, I don't know. I do things because I want it to grow. I spent two years on this book.

In the beginning there, I was like, I was like, okay, do I need a ghost writer? I've never written a book. They're like, no, you're a comedian. You write. I'm like, okay. And then I went and wrote the, the outline for the book.

You know you have to do the outline. A 50 page outline. A huge outline. Was AI a thing when you were doing this? No. I mean, I was in a room. I locked myself in, sticky notes and everything.

I was doing it with the editor and we were working on it and then she's like, okay, we're done with the outline. It's like a month later. Page one, here you go. Let's start the book. And I go, I was in Denver

and I started typing up and I hate myself. I just hate everything about this. I feel bad. And I start looking up. I would Google about writers and you see, see that this was a thing that writers

you hate every minute, you hate how you sound, and I'm used to instant feedback. I want to do the laugh, right? I finally, I get this like first page done and I send it and I'm like, get it out of here. I emotionally, I feel like shit. 20

minutes later I get an email back, we need a ghostwriter. I'm like, how did I hurt my own feelings? I was like so, I was so mad. What a ghostwriter cost, yeah. I can't I don't want to say so I have to pay for that

The one thing I don't know That comes out of your advance It comes out of So now you have to pay the ghostwriter yourself Taylor K. Phillips Who's a hilarious comic Has become a friend She is

They basically came back to me With like three men And I was like This dating book doesn't work With two men writing I can't do that Especially when your audience is the opposite Especially when all of my dating

Conversations have happened with women Like it's I don't mind having that debate. I don't mind sounding like the dick. But I'm not trying to sound like a dick, but I don't mind being the position of straight guy in the room. So I was like, I need a comedian and they've got to be a woman.

And Taylor Phillips, she writes for John Oliver. Like, if you write for John Oliver, you're a fucking genius. You're one of the, she's an amazing comic, so funny. And we just had this great back and forth and we're feeding off of each other. and basically the way we worked it out was I was like every night email me questions that have to do with the outline I'll write back to you with stories definitions listicles whatever I can or even a link to a podcast where I've talked about that yeah yeah and that's the way we did it and it was perfect and I loved it and it's all personal stories and to make you feel seen and heard

jokes jokes jokes every page Taylor you know she's just joke every second and we were just yes anding each other just a great, it was like a comic hang and it was perfect. One question I got for a Good Morning America. We talked about it a little bit before the show. It was like this very awkward start to it, right? I mean, the hosts are kind of chirping you. You're chirping them back. It starts to get like a fiery exchange. That's a huge platform for a fiery exchange. It's the guy that's putting his name out there the way you are. It tells you exactly the problem with dating conversations. Which is? Which is, and this is something I talked about on the book tour and I talk and the reason the book is important and I believe in it is we kind of

separate men into guys who got married and are kings and amazing men and garbage and I called it walking red flag because I'm the walking red flag I think every guy is someone's I don't agree with that take the what I know a lot of married men that are pieces of shit totally this is this is my point a lot of married men that are great like that that's a bad thing that people Well, that's kind of, well, that woman, she's like, when I, if you go watch that Good Morning America clip, she's like, takes one to no one. And I'm like, well, everyone's a red flag, even your husband. And she's like, and that's where she got upset. And I'm like, I'm like, to say your husband is not a red flag at all.

Is that your thesis, though, that everyone's a red flag? My thesis is that that guy, that husband she has may be great for her, but he was a red flag to someone else. It's within everybody to be someone's red flag. We all have faults and wish. And this is all an awkward thing. Dating is emotional bumper cars. Like you're not going to do right by everybody. But if you're doing right, you know, if you're trying to be a good person and be nice to people along the way,

you're going to do your best. And that's where you and I disagree. I don't think that everyone, I think more than 50% aren't nice people that operate with good intention. I just, I don't think, well, less than 50%. I think that's just like. I think people are feeling so much pain. And I think people have to take that pain and put it on to us. others make themselves feel. Do you think that's a lot of what you see on the internet, though,

because a big part of this is on the internet, all you hear about are horrific dating stories from women. And then you see in the comments section, angry men who are like school shooter types. Like, they're awful. And I don't relate to the story and I don't relate to the commenter. To the commenter back. And I was saying there was a, I used in the book tour, there was a tweet by a woman who, I don't know who she was, but it was like men with no jaw lines, just grueling. a beard. And I've heard a version of that tweet where it's like, you know, beards are male contouring. I've heard that bit before. When I see that I, I roll and I move on. So do you. Most guys who are confident and are okay with themselves, I roll and move on.

Sure. The guys who respond are fucking assholes. You know, they're angry and they're angry at her and they're going to tell her how much of a piece of shit she is. Now, if a man did that tweet, if we reverse it, and it's like him doing this commentary on women's contouring and whether they should grow a beard or not, whatever the male version of that, we would cast that guy out. That guy wouldn't be someone in the dating pool. He's just like not in there.

So on the internet, all you're hearing from is woo-woo from women and anger from men. And I don't think either of them are really the truth in this whole dating thing. Like, you know, in the dating world, it's like, all my friends are a lot like you, a lot like me, where they're like guys who are, like sports, like to fuck,

and have nice families now and live in the suburbs. He brings the comedy right past a serious combo. But I'm saying like, so you, I would always be asked like, where are the good men? Where are the guys?

And I always like, I don't even know where I hang on. You know, like, I was like, I don't know. Yeah. Yeah, I think there's, I mean, finally, raffling's up, I think there's just a lot of noise out there from both sides. I think there's so much history that plays into this too, right?

Like even if you look at wage gaps with genders and obviously that's starting to slim down. You look at that, I mean, the women couldn't own a credit card in the last 50 years. They couldn't, like, you think about the progress that's made. There's going to be that noise for right reason. And I think so much of that noise is so justified. And then I think there's people that take advantage of that noise and use it for their benefit. And there is no answer here, right? No, it's a hodgepodge of noise on the internet when it comes to dating and in real life.

The answer is to not get bogged down by it. Yeah, exactly. Like, that's more the message of the book where it's like, Listen, here's a normal guy who's not trying to like rage bait you. Like I didn't write the book to rage bait. I wrote it to make people laugh. That's not really a profitable business. It's way more profitable to rage bait in my dating book and say how wrong women are, how awful men are or whatever.

I told personal stories that had jokes every page. And I think, you know, the premise of the book is I'm 10% away from most men. I'm not 100% away. If most guys, like, generally, the reason they don't like dating podcasts is because they're like, yeah, of course, that's the answer. Hmm. I like, you know.

All right, let's get, I only got you for a little bit longer. I want to talk about the podcast. I feel like they've blown up in the last three years or they've grown a lot since you last came on the show. So you got a U-Up podcast, 15K reviews. You started this in 2017, 230,000 followers. You have a subscriber base.

How many subscribers do you guys have? I don't know, but I know that at one point, We were pretty big on Apple for subscriptions. Yeah. There was something written about it. Okay. And how does that, do you, what type of revenue do you make off you a podcast? It's a combination.

You need the subscription. I think that's a subscription, a big play of it? It's a big part of it. And you need, I think in this day and age, you kind of need that. Are you an owner of the podcast or you're W2 to Betches? It's different for live events than it is the show. But like, it's generally, it's me, Jordana. and betches.

Yeah, yeah, yeah. Okay. You know, so that's... Third, third, third. Right. And then for J-Train podcast, that's your own, you own it 100%.

That's mine. I never went with a network. Yeah. Not that I wouldn't have. Sure. I was just, it never... I work with an ad sales group, but this woman Fannie,

who I've known since, like, we've been working together for like a decade now. Yeah, yeah. And we have a really great relationship and no one knows more about the industry than her. And, you know,

I kind of have a good deal with her. We have a personal relationship. There's a business relationship. And I would love for J-Train to grow. I just, you know, J-Train has always been something I'm just trying to figure out. Yeah.

I do it five days a week. That's a huge commitment. It's a lot. It's a big commitment. Different episodes every day. So Monday's Mailbag Monday, I take an email. But I also do it alone, which makes it a little bit easier. I'm not like waiting on a gas.

I sit. It is a form of therapy for me. I do Mailbag Monday. I have the promises. 20 minutes an episode. Okay. So you get 20 at a minimum. I usually go 30.

Tuesday is ticked off Tuesday. People complain to me. I complain with them. Okay. I will say you're right. That's my promise. Wednesday's chitchat Wednesday. I have a guess.

Chichat. Thursday is pop culture Thursday. I try to tape it as close to Thursday as possible and I do some pop culture stuff. I go to page six and I read headlines and I riff. Yeah. It's a good exercise for me comedically. Yeah. And then Friday is coffee with J-Train.

And that's my Patreon. And that's the subscription. and that is personal stories from the week that was. What's the Patreon cost? Five bucks a month. Okay. You also get first dibs on Ticked off Tuesday. The business model is like, you get something.

If you want to complain on Ticktoff Tuesday, sign up for Patreon. You'll get red. We'll get it all. You'll get to be read. And then my coffee or J-Tron I've been doing for like 10 years, and I've been doing it once a week for 10 years. That's where I talked about my dad, asked me how much I weigh. And that's where it all starts.

So all my stand-up pretty much starts on, coffee with Jay Trayn for the most part because so I'm at the beach with my parents it's 2018 we're sitting in a circle I think 2017 maybe I don't know is right around that time your dad says it to you he goes how much do you weigh we have this argument and then I go home to my parents house because I was staying with them I wasn't living in Florida and I go and do a podcast and I talk about on the podcast I'm like he asked me I want you away and I'm telling this personal tale to whoever signs up I have a sense of like I love that this personal with people that listen.

Sure. I try to be protective of people I love, but I'm pretty, it's all there. Yeah, it's part of your job. And I do the podcast, I get done, it's out of my system. I'm sure when you have fights with your family, you have it, then it's like, what are we having for dinner? Yep. So I do it on.

Maybe it's a drain it, baby. That's right. So then I do it on the podcast, and then I go to bed. I wake up in the morning, it gets posted. I go in the kitchen. My dad goes, you got it all. wrong. I go, what are you talking about? He goes, coffee with J-Train. I just listen.

I just want to know how much you weigh. And I go, you do that at the beach, and now we're having the fight again. And this is how Netflix special starts. And this is how Netflix special starts. And that's what makes it so special to me. Like, this is a real argument, a real story, and I went on stage and tried it, and it never worked. And then I go and have a Netflix special.

I come on your podcast, and I got it. And once it's on the, on Netflix, I can't do the material again. So it forced me to grow. I love it. And then I go tell this story and I'm like, I'm explaining my dad, I'm explaining my mom. And now it's the most, I'm truly very proud of it.

And I want you to watch it. I want you to send it to your family because your family will love it. My Jewish mother, my love it. Not my, she will. She's going to love it. There is no question. There's no holes.

And I speak confidently on it because I have to. All right. I like it. As we wrap here, look at the business of Jared Freed, what's the number one driver right now? Your accountant says, dude, Jared, you got to keep doing this. This is what's bringing in the dough. What is it?

It's all very similar. Probably you up. Okay. Do you do paid? Your social is growing phenomenally. Do you do paid partnerships? I do pay partnerships, but they come every now and again. I count it as a bonus.

Like, I don't really even think of it as like, I need a paid partnership. Like if they come up, they come up, you know. You should be making. off your social. Yeah, you're the industry. You should be definitely doing north of a half million on paid partnerships. Really? Yeah, for sure.

Yeah. I mean, I haven't seen that, but I, maybe because of the podcast, so, you know, we work out things where I do it on global. They do like a 360 model. Whatever it is. I would say the most important thing to me, like financially is touring and you up. And they're pretty equal. Last one I got for you. last time you're on the podcast,

2023, we were talking about FTG. You remember what FTG means? Fuck that guy. Fuck that guy, okay? Fuck that guy, okay? Fuck that guy in the comedy scene, actually, just based on organic conversation, was actually Peter Weber.

It was Peter Weber had just started standing comedy. And you were a complimentary of Peter, but you're like, fuck that guy. Like, oh, you're just the bachelor. You got to have it all. You couldn't just be The Bachelor and get a million bucks to go on ABC. Now you've got to take my show, too.

Who in 20206 is your comedy? Fuck that guy. Fuck that guy. Who is my comedy? Fuck that guy. I like to think I'm, I try, fuck that guy mode. And I think it's a very male thing. Or maybe I'm making more of it than I should.

But it is within us all. Like I think like that initial reaction, the fuck that guy mode was like, someone tells you something and your immediate reaction is, fuck that guy. Like whatever. And that's why Peter doing stand-up. I'm like, fuck that guy. Yeah, yeah. Yeah. I've got to do stand-up.

So who's your fuck that guy now? Who's my FDG? This is my question to you. I know. Now I want to know. My fuck that guy is, you know, Nick Viall for not having me on the podcast. I'll bring it around. Nick, this is me calling you out.

I want to be on your show. That was a good one. I want to come on. I like that. All right. Nick, F that guy. Let's go. Get them on.

I love it. All right, man. Where can everyone find the show? Give us the last pitch. Why should we watch it? Where can we find it? When can we find it? Netflix.

The family plan. It is made to be shared. Tell your brother, your sister, your mom, your papa. It is a one-hour story about going to the beach with my parents. It's all about the millennial boomer relationship. The goal is to make you laugh every 10 seconds for an hour. Wow, every 10 seconds.

We have small, short attention spans. That's the goal. That's a good selling point right now. That is a guy who has sold insurance and is a stand-up comedian. Jared Free, thank you so much for being on Trague Secrets. Where can everyone find everything else that you got, whoa, whoa, in all the episodes. 330 plus. I have never forgot.

I've never forgot to ask someone their trading secret. Oh. Wow. We got on so many tangent. No, but you got to give a new trading. A new one? My last one was definitely right to edit. It was right to edit.

Right to edit is a motto that I've had my whole life. And I love that trading secret, but it's got to be a new one. So think about the last three years, how you've grown the way you have, things that you've overcome, how would you define it in one piece of advice for anyone listening, the last three years. I guess I would say effort is never bad. It's never bad to try. I think about it with my relationship. This is like a form of being single for me was like not trying. You know, that was not there was no risk taken. I guess my to reframe it it would be that I've never I've never regretted taking a risk. And maybe that's because I'm from privilege and you know I have the

ability to take risks. But I've never regretted any risk I've taken. I've always regretted the the risk not taken. So I was thinking about that with like, I have an apartment in Del Rey. It was either get a small place and whatever or get this bigger place that inspires me. Because I was like, that could be a podcast studio, that could be my kitchen, that could be, I could have a great balcony. And that's the one I went with. And I'm so comfortable and happy. I feel it. I feel the, you know, the mortgage every month. You know, I feel it. But that's not a bad thing. So I've never regretted a risk taken. I like it.

We got a little bit more of a vulnerable, Jared Freed. That's it. That's who I am. Comes with age and growth and all the good things and two Netflix specials. Right. Guys, go check out, Jared. Everything he's got going on. Where can people find your socials on your podcast?

Jared Freed, Instagram, Wizard of Ha'a, and TikTok. Google me. That's what the doucheest thing ever said. Yeah, that's how you found her. Yeah, I got, and I got shows, I'm sure. I'm going to tape another special. Another third. Yeah.

I'm going to tape another one. I'll come back. We'll run this back. Who knows where three ears will take us? It's going to be the wedding planning special. It's going to be the GLP special, GLP one. Jared Freed, thank you so much for being on this episode.