Trading Secrets - 60: $35-$355/hr being a pilot? Peter Weber reveals the secrets behind airport anxiety, delays, and the aviation career!

Episode Date: July 11, 2022

Check out The Restart Roadmap: Rewire and Reset Your Career now!   This week, Jason is joined by Peter Weber aka Pilot Pete as they dive into all things aviation, his time in the Bachelor franchise, and the numbers behind it all. Bachelor Nation fell in love with Peter on Hannah Brown’s season of the Bachelorette before he went on to become The Bachelor, but Pilot Pete always knew his heart was with aviation and returned to his piloting career after his time on reality tv. Peter gives insight to what is causing all those cancellations and flight delays, his best advice for overcoming travel anxiety, and what goes on behind the scenes. Do private or major airline pilots make more money? How many hours a pilot can work during a month? How did Pilot Pete manage to get all the time off to do both shows? Pilot Pete answers all of that and so much more in another episode you can’t afford to miss!   Be sure to follow the Trading Secrets Podcast on Instagram & join the Facebook group.   Host: Jason Tartick Voice of Viewer: David Arduin Executive Producer: Evan Sahr   Produced by Dear Media.

The following podcast is a dear media production. Welcome back to another episode of Trading Secrets. Today, we're talking all things aviation with the legendary Peter Weber. More commonly known by Bachelor Nation is Pilot Pete. Peter grew up in the aviation world with his father as a pilot. and his mother is a flight attendant. They actually met on a United Flight. Peter had been flying for several years with Compass Airlines

and then Delta before deciding to go on Hannah Brown's season of The Bachelorette. And then after his time, as The Bachelor, he returned to the aviation world in full circle. He's now living his dream with airline, United Airlines, since he is one of the very few reality TV stars who's actually returned back to his career post show. We can't wait to dive into all things. aviation before the show, the show, after the show,

how you came full circle back into your dream job. Pilot, freaking Pete, thank you so much for being here, man. What's going on, man? Cheers. We got some hard shelters here. It's good to do these things in person. There we go. I love it, yeah.

A little New York visit. Good to see you, man. It's good to see you, too. It has been way too long. How's everything going? Man, it's been awesome. You know, just living out here in New York. It's been incredible.

I've been here for about a year and a half now. Living with Dustin. Clay just moved in with us. So having a good time. Got the Bachelor family. right there. Literally, yeah, Baxter family. It's been, it's been awesome, really enjoying it. You know, I've been living the dream out, flying for United, based out of Newark here, and I just got, just got on my new airplane about a month and a half ago, two months ago,

and that's something I'm really stoked for. It's taking me all around the world, a lot of international flying. So, yeah, it's been, it's been great. Okay, we're going to get into all that, but I have to ask you when you say that, you say, my new airplane. Like, for someone that's like, what the hell does that mean like I did? What does that mean, like my new airplane? So I, When I got hired at United, you get every pilot flies one airplane. Some people think you fly multiple, but everyone has a type rating for a specific airplane. It takes about a month and a half of, you know, school and classroom work and then simulator training to get qualified. You get checked out. You get your type rating for, you know, whatever airplane it is. So I first got assigned the 737, the Boeing 737 for United as a new hire,

and flew that for about, I would say, nine, 10 months almost, and was able to, everything in the airlines run by seniority. So my seniority number was good enough to take an award for the 787, the Boeing 787. That's like the new flagship carrier aircraft, the wide body. And the biggest reason I did that was because my dad, he was retiring from United and he flies it. I remember this. So you could have the last flight with him, right? Exactly. Yeah.

That is awesome. So when you say seniority, how long have you been, like, what's your seniority level and how did you get it? Seniority is, so whenever your class date is given to you with an airline for United, it's just based on age. So at the oldest in the class, we had like 30 in our class. They're the most senior in that class. And I was like the second to most junior. That's just on age. And then as you move through your career, you keep that seniority number.

So anyone that's hired, you know, a day or later after you, you'll always be senior to them until you retire. And then anyone that's hired, obviously a day or so, you know, or more before you will always be senior to you. And so everything is predicated off a seniority. What airplane you fly, your schedule, your vacation, your pay, it's all seniority. But does that, so tell me a little bit about. about this then. If there's, how old are you? 30. Okay, so you're 30. Suppose there's a 40-year-old that's in this class and has less training than you do. When you guys both graduate from the United Class, technically he'll have more seniority in the airline industry ranking.

Yeah, for every airline specifically has their own seniority system. And anyone that's getting hired, it's not like you're worried about, you know, training levels or proficiency. Everyone's on a very high level. It's very competitive to get on with a major airline. So So everyone has thousands of hours, whether it's from the military, previous airlines, regional airlines, everyone's, you know, they deserve to be there. But once you do have your number, anyone that comes, you know, a day or so after, even if they're older, you're going to still be senior to them. Got it.

Okay. Those are things I didn't know. I'm going to dive into more things I don't know about aviation. Before I do, I need to ask you about, like, current events. So when I think airplanes, I think aviation, there's two current things we got to talk about. The first thing is going to be more of a nicer story. The second one is the shit show and the travel issues I've had. I need to hear it from a pilot.

I need the trading secrets. But before we do that, I just read the story about this pilot who was flying in a private plane. The pilot went unconscious. And somehow this guy incapacitated, somehow this guy who has never flown a plane in his life has no idea what to do in the cockpit actually landed the plane. Can you give me a scope of like how, what is like the likelihood? that when that guy takes over, he's actually going to land the plane. And what does it actually take to do it? Because part of me is like, well, shit, if he could do it, maybe we could all do it.

And the other part of me is like, that dude just struck. It's making us look bad. His pilot's like, this job's not too hard. I was just struck lightning and there's no way this plane should be around. What are your thoughts? I mean, incredible story. I think the biggest thing is kudos to that ATC controller. So he was a CFI, a certified flight instructor and had, I think he has about 1,200 hours.

So, you know, good experiences of CFI, had experience. Okay, if you got a TFI, what's that mean? So certified flight instructor. An ATF is that the air traffic control guy? ATC. ATC. Air traffic control. Okay.

We're not in the cockpit here. I don't know. I got to bring the Ligo back. I know, about that. I'll explain it. There is so many acronyms in aviation. So you just, you forget the people. That's how you talk.

It's your language. Yeah. So, so yeah. So this, you know, whoever this was, I guess this guy had no experience, was able to, I mean, it's not too difficult, but was able to figure out how to control the radio and, and, and, and, and, and control the mic. And so when his pilot, when incapacitated, they obviously were on a proper frequency. They were probably getting flight following, or I don't think they're on a, there's VFR.

This is kind of getting in the weeds here. But I think they're on like a simple flight, just flying on a nice day with no bad weather. And was able to talk to the controller. The controller had a lot of experience in that specific airplane that they were in. And that's when I say it's hats off to that guy without him. You know, I could have ended up really, really, you know, poorly. But he was able to just keep the guy calm. I'm sure he probably had some type of mock-up on a screen so he could literally tell, you know, this guy where the control was, what to do, where to spin this, you know.

They got him on radar quickly. I think they told him like to fly to the beach and like fly north or south or just make a right turn or something. And then when they did that, they were able to pick him up on radar. So he could control him and he knew exactly where his heading was, what his altitude was. And so he could walk him through every step to get that airplane on the ground safely. But still, to be able to land an airplane with no experience, not understanding anything about aeronautic or aerodynamics or anything like that, getting into a ground effect as you're getting close to the ground, it's impressive that this guy was able to do that and safely land that airplane with no experience. I'm a numbers guy. I'm sure you had to do those trainings and simulators before you got into a plane. I'm sure you crashed a couple. Give me odds. When you hear that story, what do you think the odds are that he would have succeeded? landed at knowing what you know?

I mean, that's like, I don't even know, I'd say 50-50, you know, just depending on the person. Like if they, to be a good pilot, you know, I always say being a pilot's not necessarily, it's not like very difficult. Like if you put the work in and anybody, I think, can learn the proper procedures and learn the systems of an aircraft and understand regulations. But in my opinion, what differentiates a really good pilot, you're kind of like born with it like if you're a good stick you just your body just gets connected to the airplane in a way that you really can't ever teach i don't know if that's making sense but just a good pilot a good stick

them in the airplane they're one they're not disconnected so this guy obviously had you know some skills that he probably should you know look into possibly getting his license or whatnot but yeah i mean maybe i don't know 25% chance that someone was zero experience you know can stay calm first off not freak out not pass out and yeah he did a good job less than 25% chance that's crazy also you talking about the fact that you kind of just have to have that neck and you have to have that like connection with the plane and really enjoying it i think speaks directly to i remember i've told the story before but when you got off the season you and i talked a little bit about like business strategy next and i'm like what's next like you have a huge platform your season your ratings were out of control

I mean, we haven't seen ratings like since your season in a long time. And I was like, so Pete, it's all you, man. What do you want to do? And you're like, well, first and foremost, I want to go back to flying. That's my passion. So that's something that's been with you forever. And it sounds like it won't go away. And we'll talk about that.

But before we do, I need to know what the hell is going on. I just had my book tour, eight cities, eight days, seven different states. I had more airport issues than I care to even talk about on the podcast. It seems like everything is delayed. Now I go into like a little conspiracy theories in my head. I'm like, well, you know what? Oil is now $112 a barrel. Maybe it's a pricing and profitability thing that they have to have full capacity.

So they're delaying flights. You live in the commercial space. What's your take on? I would say my thought process is somewhat consistent with like the macros. What's your take as a pilot? I mean, you're definitely seeing travel rebound like crazy right now. That's an interesting take, yeah. It's, I mean, it's super exciting, obviously being in the industry.

You know, it was, everyone obviously struggled, like crazy going through the pandemic, but the travel industry was, you know, we almost, without the CARES Act, you know, we would have, a lot of airlines would have gone under and ceased to exist. But luckily, you know, that's behind us. And, you know, forecasts for this summer are insane for travel demand. This is probably, I think I've heard forecasts like this is going to be the busiest summer season ever in the history of, you know, the airlines. And that's, that's pretty, during normal times.

That's normal. Every summer, usually you always see an uptick from the previous summer, but just with the population growing. But yeah, unfortunately, there is a lot of, well, there's a pilot shortage, and that's... Okay, something I didn't know. Yeah, there's a pilot shortage. And that's, there, we have so many pilots that are retiring. The FAA mandated retirement age is 65. So even if you wanted to stay longer, you know, my dad just retired. April 21st was his 65th birthday. And so he had to have his last flight completed before then. So you have this huge number of, I think like at United, it's every 18 hours or so, you have a pilot retiring. And it takes a long time to train a pilot, retrain a new pilot.

It's a whole just, it's like a waterfall, a compounding of effects where when one pilot leaves, now that seat's vacant. And now someone has to go fill that seat. But the person that's leaving their current seat to fill that seat, now that one has to get filled and so on and so on and so on. And so when you have a huge training demand with pilots, it causes a lot of delays and short. And it's a good time to get, you know, to get into this career field if it's something you're interested in. But that's one of the reasons you're seeing a lot of cancellations and just staffing issues. And, and yeah, just demand, though, is insane. You know, with that, you know, stuff happens, unfortunately. And airplanes have mechanical, every airline. It doesn't matter what airline you're on. You know, people always kind of think it's funny when people complain about, I can't stand, you know, this airline for doing this. And they cancel the flight because there was a mechanical or there was weather. I'm like, it happens to literally every single airline. You can go to that airline and you'll have someone saying the same story. So. But I get it. People are loyal to their, to their brand and their airline. And yeah, just insane demand coming that we haven't seen. And so from the pilot, when we hear mechanical, when we hear it's delayed and we don't really know why, it's usually always what we're told. Like, is it always, if it's mechanical, it's mechanical, if it's delayed. Like, will they, will you guys take a flight off even if it's at half capacity and stuff? Like, does that ever run? Yeah, no, that's, there's never any, no, nothing like that's happening. There's a thing called essential air service. So the government actually pays.

certain airlines to run routes. Usually in like, you know, areas that aren't, the population is not very high, but because we need to have connections from a small town just outside of Denver. Like a little Buffalo, New York? Buffalo. Yeah. I mean, Buffalo is very big. But like Syracuse maybe? Yeah. So there's essential area service routes in these like remote parts of the country, they need to have service. So even though the airplane may be, you know, a lot of times they're flying empty just to get there. But the airline doesn't care because they're getting paid the same amount from the government to keep those routes going. But even that, you're seeing like SkyWest, I recently read, is they're not keeping up their contract with the government to fly essential air service routes because they don't have the pilots to man the aircraft because they're a regional airline. And think about it like baseball, like the minors and the majors, every pilot is trying to get to the majors, a major airline.

It's better pay, it's better airplanes, better routes, better quality of life. But it's a stepping stone. You got to kind of pay your dues and get experience to the regionals. And so these regionals are really struggling right now because they're getting poached left and right. People are leaving the majors because they're having so many retirements. And so it's kind of sucking them dry. And they don't have enough pilots right now to fill in. So you're seeing a lot of cancellations on the regional front from just a manpower shortage.

Okay. So that makes so much more sense. What about is that same employment issue, the same with flight attendants right now? I don't believe it's the exact same now. I don't think so. Just because there's so much training that goes into, you know, with the pilot, and you have to have so many hours, you know, you're not getting hired at a major airline without, you know, I had about 4,000 hours total flight time, about 2,500, turban.

There's a lot that goes into having to do that. So I don't think it's the same right now with flight sentence. Gotcha. And just another current events thing is I saw that I had no idea about this either. Flight attendants aren't paid by the union, I guess, until the flight actually takes off. So the doors are closed and the parking break is released, is when our... That's when they start. It was at the same for pilots, too?

same same way interesting and now isn't there a huge push to change that so I you know I agree of course you know you're doing as a pilot you're in the cockpit and your your program you're doing your name tags on yeah you're hair suit time you walk out the jump rage on there at work but yeah you're doing honestly probably the most critical stuff that you're programming the flight computer getting all your numbers and you're weight in balance and technically yeah you're not paid during that time but the aviation aviation industry like airlines it's very different like if I were to tell you like the pay rate of what a pilot gets, you would think, oh my God, that's huge, that's crazy. But it's not comparative to like a 40-hour work week, like the traditional job,

nine to five. We work maybe anywhere from like 73 to, you can't fly more than 100 hours in a month, but from 73 hours to like 85 hours is an average paycheck for a pilot in regards to how many hours you're going to get paid for. So you guys are paid hourly? Yeah. And what is like a starting rate for a pilot at like a decent airline. So it's, you know, rates fluctuate like crazy. That's a big, you know, a conversation with the unions thinking that, well, it's not a pilot shortage. It's a, it's a situation with pay. If you pay more, there will be no issue there. No shortage. The applicants will come. At a regional, it's tough. In a regional, you don't necessarily, you know, make an insane living. Give me a, what's a regional? Like spirit? No. So regional is like, I flew for

compass, sky west. They're just the regional airlines are the companies that the major airlines work with and they outfit and fly a lot of the smaller routes for that. Gosh. So if I go to Buffalo, right, I'll see. I think it'll say Delta. Exactly. And then under it says like, yeah, Delta Connection West Jed or like, I don't know, some other plane or something. So you're saying it's still through Delta, but Delta will then outsource or work and contract with some regional plane. That's not owned by Delta. Exactly. And if that pilot's flying that flight, they're going to get paid less. Yeah, so that's kind of a thing too. You have pilots doing the exact same job, but, you know, they fly the exact same, or not the exact same airplanes, but doing the exact same job, getting people safely from point A to point B, but you have one kind of field of minors that are paying a lot less.

That's why everyone, you know, for the most part, there are people that enjoy just because the quality of life, it makes sense for them to stay at a regional airline and never go to a major. Maybe they've been there for, you know, 10, 15 years. They've accrued a lot of seniority. So they're going to give that up now, go to the bottom of the list at another airline, wherever they were to go to. So it doesn't make sense for them to leave. And once you get a couple, you know, 10 years plus of seniority, you're making a decent living at a regional. It's just the beginning part. That's the toughest part.

That's the stories you've heard of, you know, pilots having to, you know, live in crash pads or not crash pads. Like, you know, live in the crew room because it's just as tough to afford a hotel room if you're commuting to work or whatnot. It's gotten better. It's gotten a lot better. You know, I was fortunate I never had to go through the airline. kind of in that state. Yeah. And so that's really exciting to be able to say.

But I would say like for a regional pilot starting pays probably like $35 an hour. And that's really good, right? But it's not like 40 hours a week again. It's time 73 or, you know, to 85 kind of. I think the natural reaction when you hear that would be $35 an hour. And again, I know you totally put the business model together. But for regional, even with consideration, that that seems low. Yeah.

Totally. So you agree with that. Like, in general, like, that's low for a pilot. Absolutely. And then as you move up and you move into like the big or international flights at like a delta or United, are we talking double, triple that quadrual? Like, are we talking hundreds of dollars an hour? Like what a range is? Yeah, I mean, to show like kind of a disparity, I would say, like the whole range spectrum, you know, lowest is, and all this stuff is, you know, I have no problem talking about this because all this is public knowledge. Hey, we're in New York City and they just, I don't know if you heard this, they're going with all job post. postings, they're going to require salary ranges being put on the postings. Oh. So for all positions, all postings, like if it's an office manager, like minimum, like 40, maximum

75, like salary transparency is like starting to blow up. I totally agree with that, you know. I mean, I love, you know, what you do with your podcast and kind of getting like rid of that taboo talking about money, but all this stuff's on all, you know, forum so you can look up pay rates for airlines. But it goes anywhere from like, I would say 35 to top, top pay rate right now for a maxed out senior captain for a major airline is around, I think, 3.55. Okay. Gotcha. So 355. I mean, that's, look at it. It's like 10x, right? Yeah. I mean, from starting to being in the most senior

position. A question I had for you, because when I thought regional, I was thinking spirit. And I think about this, like when we talk about, we talk a lot about the influencing space on this, on this podcast. And one of the correlations we've seen is that if there are the bigger brands that are more desired to work for, those brands will actually pay less. less than a startup that has more liability and more risk. So the startups that have more liability that people haven't heard of, there's not as much demand to work there or to work with them. Therefore, they have to pay more.

But if like a big Amazon or a Walmart or you just did the top gun deal. Like they come to you, they know that they're going to get someone to show up to that red carpet at top gun. So they have more leverage and negotiation. Sure. Does that theory apply to the airline industry and where I'm going with that is, I'm going to say it. You don't have to say it.

My inclination, United and Delta are the best airlines out there. And then there are other airlines like, you know, I know Southwest has a great reputation. Good stock, by the way. I don't love Southwest. Sorry. I know Spirit Airlines has a little bit of a pretty bad reputation. Climbing like crazy right now with all the JetBlue rumors. Oh, yeah.

Oh, yeah. Oh, yeah. Okay. So, yeah, their stocks booming. Yeah. But I know like the reputation isn't the best. JetBlue, you're right. Their credibility has gone down.

lately. But do those airlines who have maybe more of a negative perception in the marketplace pay more because they know that pilots would rather be at like the top dog, the New York Yankees of airlines like Delta and United? Is that how it works or not? Actually, it's the exact opposite. So like the big three United Delta American, we kind of call them like the big three airlines. All the other ones you're mentioning are still major airlines. They're not considered regionals, but they would maybe get classified in like a low-cost carrier-type business model. They don't really necessarily offer the nice premium first-class service, the live-flat seats, the business class service or the premium plus.

It's more of kind of just economy seats throughout the entire airplane. And, you know, it's a great business model. They make a ton of money. But in regards to the, you know, answering your question, no, you don't. The highest paid airlines are like the big three. United, Delta, American. They pay the most. And yeah, it's, you know, I guess if you want to.

You know, reputation-wise, sure, everyone probably has their own opinion. Obviously, I'm biased. I love United. I think it's the best airline ever. Super happy to fly there. But they also just, they off, people want to fly there more than just for the money, but for the quality of life, the type of airlines. You know, Southwest, it's a great airline. You're going to fly a 737 for your entire career. United, you can fly a 7-3, a 7-8, triple-7, 8, Airbus, you know, 7-5, 7-6. You have so much variety, which then means so many more routes. You get the international experience. A 7-37 can't go, you know, L.A. to 6. you're flying. That's a wide-body flight. You're not really going to Europe. So there's a lot of reasons other than just pay that these bigger airlines are maybe the more attractive airline to fly for for most people. Yeah, so that's a couple of reasons. It's funny because I, Caitlin, sometimes when I talk about finance or stocks, I try and break it down for her, I'd probably use jargon. I shouldn't. The way you were just describing the 737 is a triple bus. I was like, I'm looking at you the way Caitlin looks at me. I'm like, I don't know what the hell you're talking about, but I'm in for that. One thing I got to ask you, though, is,

What's interesting is I remember in business school, I read this Harvard business case study on Ryan O. Air. And I think it goes to your point that you just said, Ryanair. Yeah. So you just said, like what they want on airlines there for different service. So I might have just said I don't like Southwest. I guarantee you there are people listening to this right now. They're like, dude, are you out of your mouth? Southwest is the best airline out there. So that is out there. What's interesting is Ryanair has had the number one customer satisfaction rate score of any company out there. This is all. You know, I'm old. But I was in business school, it was like 2014. Okay. And the reason behind it, though, and this was the European one, right? Sure, yeah. So for anyone that doesn't know, it's extremely cheap. You can fly to different countries in Europe for a very, very affordable price.

When I say that, I'm saying like 20, 30, 40 bucks. Okay. The reason that the customer service satisfaction score is so high is because the expectation of what the customer was getting when they flew was always at least met or exceeded because they knew through complete transparency, that the expectation was pretty damn low. You are on this flight to get the cheapest ticket

and when you buy that flight, you know it. You know, yeah. If you go, and they said like small things, like if you go to the bathroom on the flight, you have to pay for it. You want water on the flight. That's insane. So a crazy model, but a model that you know what you're getting.

And so that's an interesting concept. It's funny, you bring that up. One thing that, like I've noticed, just hearing, again, I mainly fly United, obviously, as a pilot all the time, But as a passenger, it's not always. I can jump seat on other airlines. We have reciprocal agreements to fly on them if there's open seats.

But I guess that transparency thing is, you know, you hear a lot of like the low-cost carriers. They sound great. Super cheap. But a lot of people I've heard frustrations with where you get to the airport. And then it's, well, this bag fee because you didn't buy it online. Sure. The night before it's, you know, you're getting charged this. And then after everything's said and done, all the extra, you know, fees, it's really not

that much cheaper of a ticket. Right. And I've heard, you know, people kind of get annoyed by that. So that makes sense with Ryanair. having that high score if they were so transparent because that doesn't maybe happen all the time. Exactly. Interesting stuff. Now, I know there's some people here listening that just want to hear about pilot Pete and the bachelor stuff. We'll get to a little bit of that, but we're talking aviation now. For anyone that does travel, we need a little, we have a pilot here who has thousands and thousands of hours. There's a lot of people out there that have travel anxiety. Can you give us a like turbulence? They freak out. I've heard the myth that like no plane's ever gone down from turbulence. In general, do you? have any tips or tricks for anyone that gets very anxious when it comes to traveling or any information as from the pilot himself that might be able to reduce some of their anxieties as

they do fly yeah you know i would say the biggest thing i think is turbulence people freak out and i totally also like i think understand like be it's funny actually i used to be pretty nervous a nervous flyer when i was a little kid you did i did and and i always the crazy thing is i always knew i wanted to be a pilot and I was like I had to find a way to get over this like this is this is not good but like I still was obsessed with airplanes but if we hit bumps I was freaking out and that eventually obviously faded but the biggest thing is a flying is the safest form of transportation that's and that's easy like easily proof statistically speaking there's you have a much higher chance of you know something happening to you on the way to the airport than anything ever happening

on any flight so you know trains planes whatever it is buses any boats flying as the safest form. Airplanes nowadays are built with so much damn redundancy. You can have one system go out and it's no issue. You can have a second system to go out and you still have a backup to that. So obviously as just a normal flyer, you don't understand these airplane systems. You don't understand really what's going on with the plane. You're not in control. So a lot of people probably have difficulty not being in control. But the redundance airplanes are just so safe nowadays. They're so modern. You know, the wings on an airplane when people see the wing shaking. I hear a lot of people freak out from that and you know from the bumps it's designed to do that you don't want a rigid wing if you had a

rigid wing you know it'd be susceptible to snapping you want it to give it's like a shock absorber it's it's taking and absorbing those bumps that you're going through and people ask about turbulence and they you know what is it just i think of it as it's you're driving down a bumpy road you know and you don't freak out when you're in a car you're in a jeep and you're and you're moving all around but because you're in the air and it's a little bit more foreign you freak out but it's the same thing it's just going through a down a bumpy road those wings are designed in testing to come within a couple feet, wingtip to wing tip of each other over the top of the fuselage before they snap. Stop. Yeah. So those wind... Wow, that's crazy. Airplane's designed to

withstand so much more than it could ever encounter in any type of, you know, flight that you're going to go on. And I've heard a pilot say before, like, when you think of turbulence or breaking it down in simplicity, think about it like when you're in a boat and another boat drives by or jet ski and a little wave comes, and obviously the boat moves with the wave. Wake turbulence. Yeah, your boat's not ever sinking from another boat coming on

or something like that. Do you find that comparable? Is that like a fair comparison? Very fair. Wake turbulence, so as the wing, as the airplane flies through the air, there is winged of boardices that come off the edge of the wing.

That's just produced by lift. And those can create a lot of turbulence. It can be an aggressive, kind of violent feeling if you fly right into some wake turbulence. That's why, though, we have separation, you know, minimums. where when you're flying, you're never getting within a certain amount of miles next to that airplane

if you're on the same altitude level. We're always separated by, you know, at least a thousand feet vertically. And it's a big thing that we pay attention to low to the ground. You never want to fly into any type of wake turbulence load of the ground because that has the ability to, you know, kind of turn a plane over. So you, you know, pilots are trained, you know, to avoid that ATC's trained to keep airplanes separated at a safe distance. But yeah, it's a great example of wake turbulence. If anyone has any form of flying anxiety, this podcast at the very least, should definitely put those anxieties to rest. I mean, there's so much information there. I didn't even know. One of the anxieties that won't go to rest is when I see the Denzel movie flight, right? I mean, that's based

on a true story, right? Denzel's hammered, but he's like, he's an alcoholic, so he's a good pilot when he's hammered. You're a single guy. You like to go have fun. How, like, when you're partying and stuff, do you have to plan out, like, it has to be like 72 hours before a flight? Like, How long before a flight, are you thinking about, like, I can let loose tonight or I can't? Like, how does that work? So, actually, I don't think that was based on a true story. Oh, it was it? Yeah.

Okay, good. Fact check right there. I have no idea. I just remember it. You're right. It's a drama thriller. Oh, is it on a true story? Let's see.

I don't know if it was based off of a person, but like the actual flying scenes. This is Google. It says it's based on true story of airline pilot William Whip Whitaker. In the recap, guys, here's what we're. going to do. This is why I always do it. I have conversations like this. I don't know for sure. Okay. And the recap, I'm going to do like a full deep dive in the research. We'll get back to you. Stay tuned. And I'll let you know, like if it's based on a true story, but it's got the Hollywood bullshit, we'll give you the rundown there. We'll come back to that. But for you, like, when you, like, if you're going out and stuff, how forward and do you have to think about like, yeah, I fly Sunday. I shouldn't go out Saturday type thing. Yeah. I mean, obviously, you know, being the ultimate professional in this kind of profession is is a must. You know, there's no wiggle room. That movie, obviously, you know, it was unfortunate. It gave pilots a bad rap, but that stuff does not fly. No pun intended with this profession. You know, we have very strict policies of, you know, for instance, alcohol, drinking.

Minimum bottle to throttle for most airlines is 12 hours. Your last drink before reporting to any type of duty has to be completely clean of any drinking. Obviously, no drugs. Other than that, it's just, like I said, this profession demands perfection. Of course. No room for air. You can't mess up. Yeah. And you mess up, people die. We take it very, very seriously to be that ultimate professional and never mix the two.

Yes, when you're on a layover, you enjoy yourself and you can go have a good time, explore, have a good time with the crew. But when it comes time to work, you know, it's business. And, you know, there's no messing around with that. Gotcha. Is there ever, and this is my last question on the industry, I'm just so fascinating, intrigued. What is, like, how many flights can you fly in a row before they're like, you have to take a break? Like union.

Like, how I'm like from a, like, endurance stamp. point. Yeah, we, so we can't fly more than 100 hours of flight time in a month and a 30-day rolling kind of calendar month. You can't be, you need a 30-hour break from flying in every seven days. So as you look back, you need at least 30 hours off. That could be on a layover. You know, we have, I was just in Tel Aviv. It was a 44-hour layover. So technically that reset my clock. That's so cool, by the way. It was just pop out on Telvi. Wow. Yeah, I'd never been there. The 7-8, it's, I'm stoked on it because it's, I'm going, it was Amsterdam. them two or three days ago, going to Athens tomorrow, just it takes a really, really cool

parts of the world. So, it's so cool. It's a good time. But in regards to breaks, too, you know, we typically, we minimum days off is 12 or 13 days off in a month. Usually it's a little bit more. I would say typically you fly about half the month. And then when you get really senior, you're flying those really nice, efficient trips that

have a lot of hours. So you're flying like a 30 hour, 32 hour, four day. Got it. So you're doing three trips. You know, you're doing two of those, and then it may be a shorter trip, and you're gone maybe eight total days of the month. So you get a lot of time off once you get some seniority. Interesting. Okay.

I mean, it sounds like a hell of a career track. So I have two questions left for you, and the last one's going to be, how can someone get into the career if they want to? But before I get there, I have a friend whose family has ownership in a plane. Yeah. And so I've got to experience this whole, like, private plane world, and it's fucking crazy. It's absolutely nuts. I know you have flown private before. Can you, this is a rumor we always talk about. Do you make more flying private or commercial and why?

Yeah, everyone thinks it's private. Yeah, that's what I would think for sure. Everyone would think that. And they're kind of shocked when I tell them it's not the case. So the way it goes, private actually, they kind of offer you for the most part a better starting entry pay. That's from my experience. So like more paid per hour then. Yeah. Okay. So, you know, compared to like that $30, $35 range at a regional for your first year, your probationary year as a starting corporate. pilot, you could be making, you know, like 60, 60, 70 K a year starting out. And then it does get higher. As you upgrade to captain, the amount of years of service you've had there. But ultimately, where you're going to make the most money is once you max out at a 12 year plus captain on a wide body airplane for a major airline. Got it always, you know, granted, there's probably a couple examples here and there of a Fortune 500 company, you know, flight department. And these guys are flying G650s for them and making stupid money. I'm sure. I'm sure. sure, there is a couple of those examples. But for the most part, you're going to see more money

in the airline side. Are those pilots on, do they work for the unionize or no? Corporate guys? No, the private people. Like, if you fly private, are you union? No. Okay. No. So if you work for like a wheels up or like one of these private airlines, they're paying you and it's not, you're not on union. Be completely honest. I'm not exactly sure. Like with wheels up. I flew for a private, like an owner. So I flew for a guy who owned the airplane. And then he, so we operated that called not to get two again in the weeds, but part 91, which was just like him and his family, and then to offset some of the costs of owning that jet, hangar fees and all that. It's very expensive, obviously, to maintain.

He would charter it out via a 135 company, and so he would make money chartering out his jet. Gotcha. So he has the jet, and then he'll charter it out to people, charge him a fee. Exactly. And then he'll make some money from that. And he's paying you directly then, so there's no union. You're working under his payment plan. Okay, understood.

Got it with you on that. Last question I have about private planes, I just want to give some people I don't have a damn clue. Give me an estimate cost. If I want to take a plane, I don't know, size and stuff. Well, like, just say, there's four of us. Let's just say this four of us. I'm in New York City, and I want to go to Miami. New York City to Miami, one way.

Give me an approximation of what that would cost on a private plane. One way. Let's see, yeah, because I don't, you know, obviously know the exact price of that. Of course. So they factor in, though. very rarely you're going to get the one-way fee because that airplane needs to return back to its home base. So unless they can get, you know, another, unless you can have a broker get a flight going back to New York with another client, they're most likely going to charge

you the round trip. Like we would do L.A. Vegas all the time. That was like my biggest route when I first started out flying corporate. And that was about, I want to say it was like 9 to 10K. And that's a 20 minute flight. Yeah, it's like, yeah, 35, 40. 35 minute flight, and that's 10K. Yeah. So Miami to New York, I feel like that would be like 40-ish-K. Yeah, I would say around there, I know we did. Our big breadwinner was the L.A. New York route.

That was about 80K. It would cost for a round-trip play. And that was for a Hawker 700. That wasn't even like the cats meow, like the goal stream. That's so much more. So Hawker 700, give people an idea. How many people fit into a Hawker 700? I want to say it was like seven.

We had seven seats in the Hawker 700. We could fit 11. I flew a citation sovereign. That was 11 seats. Yeah, they just obviously go open up a global gold streamer kind of like the top range size for private jets. I remember hearing their global, they would be doing routes from L.A. Van Nuys out to like Australia. And those things are charging like 250, 300K to get that jet. That is crazy stuff.

For some reason, all I'm thinking about right now with this private jet, I don't know why I'm thinking of Tinder swindler. Fuck that guy. Oh, shit, right? He was just taking private jet everywhere. We had one of the girls on the podcast. No way. Yeah, the episode was nuts when she talked about the details and stuff. Anyway, screw that guy.

Stay tuned for the recap guys because I do have a couple crazy stories about the private airline industry that pilot Pete told me. I'll tell them in the recap, but sounds like when you have that clientele, there's a story or two that comes with it. But here's the moment people are definitely waiting for. I don't know. I feel like I've gotten enough. But let's quickly talk about your time on The Bachelor, right? Because not many people, like I said in your intro, can have a performance. professional job like this, go in, and you had a wild ride. I mean, banging in the windmill

four times or however many times. You got the, then you're the bachelor and you're engaged, you're non-engage, you got a new girl, you got a, I mean, you went through a fucking whirlwind. I did. It wasn't boring, that's for sure. It wasn't, it was freaking entertaining. And you came out and, uh, you went right back to work. Yeah. So tell me just a little bit. That probably is the one thing that kept me saying. Yeah, well, that's why I wanted to look, because I had dealt with that, right? So I don't know if you knew or not. I talk about my book a lot. But I went corporate banker, dealing with the CFOs.

I go into this world. I didn't have as many fun stories as you, unfortunately. And then I go back. And there was like a story Caitlin told about a time we hooked up and we were dry-hunging. And so that story ended up getting me fired. 10 years of working for the bank. That's the same. Right?

But like bullshit. Like what? Fully clothed, consensual. She tells a funny story. And it's like blows up. So with all that stuff, how to, Did that have a negative impact? How did you manage it?

How did that all go down? I look back now and I'm kind of like, I don't know how the hell I got the time off to go and do this because I had to get a lot of time off. How much time was it start to finish? I mean, going on the bachelor's right, you never know for sure, but they said two months. You need two months that you can give to us.

Sure, sure. And on, you know, The Bachelor of the same thing. I knew I would be obviously the full two months there. You rolled right into it, right? Yeah, you roll. We had the summer off. We finished like in May. And then started filming September.

So the thing, luckily, that's, I mean, that's a long story. I'll kind of keep a brief here. But, you know, I had to get a lot of trips covered. I had about three months. What do you mean trips covered? Like, you had to get hours in for five? So, like, I would get awarded, you know, three or four trips that were put on my schedule like from March through May, right, when I started filming The Bachelorette.

And so that was my work schedule. I had three trips. It was a three or four-day trip. And there was usually three of them in a month. Wait, you didn't, sorry to interrupt, but you didn't. take off? Like, you still run the schedule? No, no. That's the thing. And I had to find a way to get those trips covered. There were certain, you know, methods I had that were like a vacation drop or a personal drop and I could get those trips removed from my schedule and everything was okay. Got it. Okay.

But I didn't have enough of those tools to cover every single trip. Gotcha. Now I'm with you. I had to get creative. And I remember this, I don't know, I don't think I've ever told anyone this. I remember, I only had like the first two weeks off for the show when I first went. Did you think you're going to go home? I was like, you know what? I'm a very big like manifester. I'm like, I don't know how it's going to happen, but it's going to happen. And I was that, I was that confident. And people probably think I'm freaking crazy. And listen, if it would have come down and shit, the show was awesome, but I always would have taken my job. I was never going to quit. I think,

and there's some people I think are full of shit, that is 100% of true statement. There is no BS in that. If I would have gotten in those two weeks and I didn't have my trip, I'm like, guys, I'm sorry, I can't leave my job. I'm out. But so I did it. And I'm like, you know, it's this crazy opportunity. Obviously, the excitement's there. It's like, wow. Like I, this is, I don't want to say no to this. Sure. And so I went with it. And I'm like, but I only have two weeks. I got a final way to keep it going. Luckily, they let me have access. You know, you don't have access to phones or anything. They gave me access to an iPad that my work iPad I could bring. So I could constantly be trying to trade these trips out to ensure I could stay there. The show didn't know this that I only had really two weeks. I never said anything. Oh, so you were like, you were taking the, because we, as everyone knows, it's been around for 25 years, you can't have your phone or TV or whatever, internet on the show. So you would just say you're doing the scheduling. Meanwhile, you really had to like find someone to take that flight.

And the stress level that I had. Oh, that would freak me out. Well, you're already stressed in that mansion. I mean, that was like the crazy time. So then you had to add that to that. It was insane. So when you traded, is there like a, I'm trying to imagine there's like a system like you go in and like you open up like your flight availability and someone could like bid on it or sort of like

take it or something like that we have like a software that essentially shows all of our schedules you can see all the open trips you can see people that are trying to trade trips and so I was constantly just every day trying to find someone that could take this trip if there was good enough coverage meaning that we had enough reserves available I could just all I could just drop the trip and that was the easiest way to get rid of it but long story short I had a lot a lot of finagaling to do to get those trips covered and be able to stay it all worked out then I get asked to go do The Bachelor, and I've used all my resources up. I have no more personal days to drop a trip.

I have nothing. And I'm like, the only way I can do this is if I get a leave of absence. Like, I have to get this granted to me from, I was adult at the time. I have to get this granted to me. Like, I can't. There's nothing else I can do. And so I call my regional chief who I was close with. He had helped me out with the Bachelorette.

And he's like, listen, man, we can try. We can put in the leave of absence. But, you know, there's no guarantee. And most likely they're going to say no because they can't make. an exception just for one pilot, which I totally understood obviously. But I was like, let's try it. Let's, you know, let's submit it. So I submitted it for the two months. I told them, obviously at this point they knew I was on the other show. I was like, listen, you know, I'm trying to go on this one. I've been asked to. What are you guys thinking? Like, I would need

to leave. It got all way up to the top to Ed Bash and the CEO of Delta. And there was like two teams, you know, two sides that were fighting saying, listen, this is a good press opportunity for Delta. We want to like approve this. Like, we think this could help us. And then the other side that was, like, completely against it. Okay. And they end up saying no. Oh, shit. And, Ed says, yeah, Mr. Bastian says no.

So it was a no. So I'm like, well, shit. I can't do it. I guess this is not happening. And again, I got really, really serious about some manifestation. And I was like, no, I'm doing it. I'm going to find a way to make this happen. I'm not saying no to this.

It's going to happen. And so I made it happen. I literally called, there was like 110 FOs, first of all. officers. That's my position as a right-seater. 110 first officers at this point. I'm LA-based, 737 for Delta. I go down the entire list. I call every single, cold call every single one of them. And I ask them, hey, listen, I have this opportunity, you know, that I need to drop some trips. Would you be willing to help me out and pick up these trips if you had time in your schedule? You know, obviously they're going to benefit

because they're going to make some extra cash, too. Out of 110, I think two or I think three people, said yeah they'd help out like they were chill only three three people three of the hundred and not everyone picked up you know I was sure voice-nollis with a couple of them but only you know three of them said yes and so I was like all right that I can work with that three people can you know I can make that happen you obviously didn't I mean I hate to say this but you obviously didn't tell him you're going to be the bachelor because if you told me you're going to be the bachelor it would have been 110 yeah yeah yeah and they all want pictures and I I didn't say anything about that

but yes I had those three and what was nice is like we started filming beginning in September, or mid-September, and we filmed through mid-November. So what's nice is I was able to front-load my schedule with Delta. I was actually able to still work in September. I'd put all my trips in the first half. And then for November, and it was super easy because I was junior, and, you know, people want Thanksgiving off and the second half off. So I was able to backload my schedule on November. So I only really had October to worry about to get those trips covered. And I only had, like, three trips given to me. So obviously it worked out, these, you know, these really cool, you know, great, great people, pilots were able to pick up my trips. And that's, that's how

it had. And I look back now and people like, they don't, they don't understand how I got the time off. And I'm almost like, I don't get how that actually worked out. Like, I'm happy it did. I never would in a million years would actually thought it would have worked out. So you never, ever even left your job, put a leave of absence. You just the whole time figured out other pilots to take the shift when you were given it. Yep. That is, that's what, so did that, I don't know anything about airline industry a little bit more after this episode, but But at some point, do they just stop giving you shifts? No.

You, you know, we're given, unless you have vacation, you are given awarded your trip, your schedule, three to four trips per month if you have a line. And, you know, obviously, if you don't show up to work and you don't fly these, obviously, you know, there's going to be repercussions, you'll probably get fired. But as long as that trip's covered, they don't care. It's no skin off the airline's back. As long as a pilot's picking that trip up, can legally pick it up. They're good.

Not going to put them over hours. They don't care. It doesn't matter to them. As long as they check their box. Exactly. Did you, in that time from Bachelorette to Bachelorette, dude, that's more stressful than the show. Yeah. Did you ever, like, have a moment where your flight wasn't getting picked up?

Like, there was, like, a last minute, like, I'm going to freak the fuck out right now. I need to, like, call my dad and say, dad, start working for Delta and take this flight. I did not ever, no, I probably would have had a panic attack if I ever got that close. I don't know. I was already, I've never been that stress in my entire life just from the freaking show from production and, like, being put through that. And no one knew that I had this whole other stress area that I had to be taken care of. But luckily, no, I never faced that. I always had them like about two weeks out.

I think that was the closest, maybe a week and a half. And it was picked up and I could breathe again. And I was like, all right, I'm good. I'm good. But yeah, it's kind of crazy. Interesting. Good for you to get through manifestation. It works for Palo.

Hey, maybe it works for you guys back home. Just a couple more questions. And I'm doing more a little rapid fire just because we're running long time. Yeah. But you've been in podcasting. you've done really well with social media, you've grown your following, you've obviously monetized, and you've been a pilot. So I have two questions. Question one is which of the two do you think you can make more money with? So, and you know, you've been obviously so helpful

from the beginning, you know, just being a great resource and friend helping me kind of navigate this space, something I didn't know about. And I'll be, I'll be completely honest. I still think I'll say pilot and I'll say just because the long, obviously, you know, this whole influencing world is insane. The quick money that can be made and the amounts that can be made, it's insane. And, you know, I wasn't used to it. I don't think anyone really is used to it that comes from just a normal kind of life. Sure. And so, yeah, those numbers, you're not necessarily seen in the airline, you know, being a pilot so quickly. But I think longevity and having, you know, God willing, I'm going to fly until I'm 65, you know, when they make me leave. And so I have 35 years. of a career of consistent salary, of consistent 401k contributions and, you know, everything, we don't have a pension anymore, but they do take care of us with, you know, some other retirement stuff.

And so I would say, for sure, you know, flying. 65, I don't think Instagram's gonna be around anymore. And if it is, I don't think anybody's gonna wanna see you or myself. Maybe you, maybe you'll age a lot, right? They won't wanna hear some on the window four times when we're washed up, I hope not, Viagra. Holy shit. All right, now I gotta ask you so,

I think I already know, answer this. It's pretty much a layup. But at your peak, like when the media thing was, and you're still have so much going on, you did the top gun stuff, you're getting deals left and right, your following's great. But like right off, like that show, you know, everyone gets off the show and they think they're like George Clooney and then they have reality hits them and they're not. But like when you're at that moment, was there ever a consideration like, whoa, this like media entertainment thing might be my thing not pilot, not being a pilot? Or did you, was there always certain that you're going to be the pilot? 100% 100% staying flying was never ever going to leave it I don't do flying for the money

you know yes we have you can make an incredible living and have a great life and and give your family a great life but it's never been for that it's just it's in my blood it's what I was born to do made to do I love it so freaking much and you know for me I kind of just looked at it is you know now I have a really cool who knows how long it lasts obviously I love for it to last my entire career till I'm 65 sure probably not going to happen but I'm just going to kind of run with it and enjoy it. Have a good time. Try to set myself up, my future up successfully and in my future family. And that's the way I kind of look at it. And yeah, that's how I've been approaching it. The ultimate double dip right there. One thing I got to ask you

before we go. So we've got to get your trading secret, by the way. And so if trading secret just you know, it's like one bit of advice as far career navigation or financial navigation that someone couldn't learn in a textbook or learn in a classroom, they could only learn from you. Couldn't see on Google. So you'll have to end with that. But before we go there, specifically with flying? It could be anything, like career advice, flying advice. It could be getting into the industry. It could be managing your money, things you've lost anything. It's like the trading secret from Pilot Pete that someone couldn't get anywhere else as it relates to those things. Life, lessons, career lessons, money lessons. It could be one of the two or one of the three or all of them.

Before we get into that, so let your brain spin a little bit. Bachelor in Paradise, everyone's saying, you're single. Will we see you as another Bachelor? Would you even be willing to do it with your career. What is the probability we see you on the Bachelor franchise again at Paradise or like as a lead or in some capacity? So actually this is kind of recent. I was going to do it. I was going to do Paradise. You were going to do Paradise? Yeah. Oh, I'm surprised to hear that. I was going to do it. I had been talking with a couple of the producers for a couple months and it was definitely just I felt like I was in a place where I could go back. I'd just kind of been intrigued because it's the one kind of format. I didn't try. I think it's maybe the one more organic format.

But yeah, I was going to do it. Actually got the time off for work, believe it or not this time. next question is going to be like, how would you manage how would work? I was doing some pre-planning. I had, you bid for vacation, you know, months, months ago, you bid for vacation for the rest of the year. Okay. So I bid for my entire vacation over June when they're going to start filming. So I got the time off. And so I knew that I was going to have it off. It just came down to contract. We couldn't agree on a contract. So I said, no. I think I'm good putting, you know, I look at it as it was an incredible experience for me, you know, with all the highs, all the lows. I'll take it all and I'll be very grateful for it.

But I am fully ready now to put that behind me. So, yeah, I'm only looking forward. You know, very grateful for what the show is done for me. But definitely that's behind me now. So maybe we'll see Pilate P in another day. Maybe we won't. But it's been awesome seeing you and watching your whole story unfold. And I think what's even cooler about your whole story is what you're doing now, honestly.

It's so sweet. And the fact you get to fly your last flight with your dad. That was incredible. And you can make a splash in this industry because of the book you wrote and maybe kids or people that are having anxiety have more comfort because now they're listening to you because of the show. But now they're in understanding how this stuff works. That's all like really, really cool stuff. Last thing I'll ask you, before we go into the trading secret, if someone hears this and they're inspired by it and they're like, wait, I could be a pilot or do something. Like, what would just step one be?

Like where does someone start if they want to think about this industry? If you're, and listen, I am the biggest cheerleader for anybody right now that has maybe the, the, just even the smallest interest in flying. It's truly a job. I feel like it's unlike anything else out there. And if you have any interest, go out to your local airport. Go to just local airport, ask for, you know, where the flight school is. Usually there's going to be at least one there on the property and ask for an introductory flight. You know, it's maybe $7,500, maybe up to $150 now. And you'll go up with a CFI, an instructor. They'll take you up for like an hour. And, you know, you'll be in the right. Or actually, you'll probably be in the left seat. And, you know,

they'll let you just get a feel for the airplane and see if it's something that you actually would want to you can see yourself doing and if you kind of feel like you got the bug there then uh continue and sign up get a pride you can you don't have to go the whole way and go become an airline pilot and kind of get what we call like the doctorate aviation an ATP which is like the final certification to be able to you can go get a private pilot's license for 10 11 12k and give yourself in my opinion a beautiful gift of freedom that is it's it's it's priceless you know and you can go get an airplane and whenever you want, just go fly and enjoy it. You don't have to do it for obviously for a profession.

So, yeah, if there's any interest, check it out. Super cool. For a low price, you can try and give it a shot. And like you said, no one could take it from you. Pilot Pete, this has been awesome to learn more about the industry, your whole career navigation story, what you've done. It's been unreal. You've got to leave us with one trading secret, something that someone couldn't find on Google in a textbook or in a classroom,

just about career navigation, finance, or life management. Pilot Pete, what do you got for us, brother? Oh, man. Let's see here. Trading secret. I don't know. This is, we'll see if this is here, if this works. But with relationships, I actually think that, and this may be, people may like be kind of shocked for me to say this. But I feel like aviation is like one of the, or being an airline pilot is probably one of the healthiest things you can do for a healthy relationship. See, I'm surprised you said. I wouldn't think that. Yeah. Why? I've learned just what's kind of cool is in my field is obviously you have a lot of time to talk on

a long flight. You have great conversations with, you know, with the crew. And I've learned so much from so many captains that I've flown with and gotten so much advice from love advice to finance advice to just whatever kind of advice. But being a pilot is, you know, you being able to go, I've noticed this in relationship I've had, being able to get up and go for three or four days, I believe if you're always with someone kind of 24-7, you can kind of start to butt heads a little bit. It's not unnatural for, you know, 30, 40 years into marriage where you're like, all right, we've been, you know, you kind of get on each other's nerves a little bit. I've seen it, too, of my parents, you know, where you go for a three or four day break,

it keeps that kind of spice just alive a little bit. And you're always super excited to come back and see her or see him. And I've noticed it can be very healthy for relationships. If you have, I've always said two things. If you have insane trust and you have a certain level of independence. Okay. This is the healthiest job in the world, I would say, for a relationship. And you could, if you were married, could you potentially have brought your singing another to Tel Aviv? Yeah.

And you could travel together and do stuff like that. One thing I'm really looking forward to is... That's pretty cool. And are you a captain or no? No, I am a first officer. All right. First officer, Peter Weber, that's your train secret. If anyone wants to find more about you or buy your book or listen to your podcast or anything else,

where can they find everything? First officer, Peter Weber. Yes, sir. So, yeah, my roommate, Dustin and I, we have our podcast, Bachelors in the city. Just a fun kind of take on our everyday life. And a lot of stuff, obviously, Bachelor-related. But obviously, yeah, Pilot Pete, Instagram, have my children's book. Really, really proud of The Adventures of Pilot Pete.

And it's my story of, you know, my first love aviation and kind of my story of how I became a pilot and how, you know, everything transpired. And it's meant to hopefully inspire, you know, children, whoever reads it, you know, whether it's flying or not, just to chase those dreams and never give up until you find them. So you can, you get that off my Instagram. I have a link on it and Adventures of Pilot Pizza.com. And yeah, man, it's been a pleasure. That's where, so that book you can get on the link on your website.

Yeah, I have the link on my Instagram. Okay. And that's where you can order it. Cool. Awesome. Good stuff. We're going to order five copies of that. We're going to give it to you guys.

Give us five stars in the comments. Let us know what you thought of this podcast and any other guests. Put your Instagram handle. We got five copies to give away. Appreciate it. Thank you so much for being here. It's really cool to hear a different side of your story. Thanks a lot.

Yeah. All great. Ding, ding, ding, we are ringing in the closing bell to the one, the only, the pilot Pete episode. What a beauty. But we got the curious Canadian here to give us his take on the airline industry, pilot Pete, the whole episode. I know your brain was moving 100 miles an hour, listen to this back, David. So, you know what? Take it from here. What did you think? Well, I got to say, I love nothing more than when we have bachelor personalities on that don't really talk about the bachelor and they actually talk about their passions and their careers similar similar to when

blake was on talking about his dj and career in the industry behind that similar to pete with aviation and pilots i learned so much that i didn't know and i and i kind of think myself as an aviation like buff maybe not but let me be a little above average but i got to get your reaction on some things that stood out to me i think first and foremost the fact that flight attendants and pilots don't get paid until the gate is closed and what he basically said the eber break is off is absolutely banana nuts. And I got to get your take on that. It's, it's bullshit. It's complete bullshit. And I put something out on Instagram about this. I was like, is this actually true? And I had a ton of flight attendants respond to me saying it's 100% true. But apparently

there are some companies and airlines like Delta, I know, that are making adjustments. But yeah, imagine like you get ready for work. You're at work. You check into work. You're there. and then just like, you know, a machine breaks down or there's a delay with something or something and you're just sitting there. They're sitting there at work not getting paid until you get on that plane and the door closes, especially now.

No wonder why there's a staffing shortage. Like, are you kidding me? Yeah, and with all the delays that are happening, everyone has a theory like, oh, like the staffs, they're milking this, they're trying to get delays so they can get paid more. They're probably making overtime. Like, no, they got to be so furious

sitting in those waiting rooms, sitting in those lounges while flights get delayed. canceled and pushed back and like everyone thinks it's their fault. Really, they're not getting paid. They're pissed. It's ridiculous. And so I read something too that these airline cancellations and delays may not be back on track until Labor Day.

So one of the things they're saying is that it's typically the crews. They just don't have enough crew. And then there's like that whole general rule. I know Pete talked about it, but there's obviously schedule mandates of how long they can work. So even if they wanted to extend the option. of the crew, they still can't do it, which is, I mean, understandably so. That's how the union works, but it's creating this, like, backlog that's a mess. And then, David, did you see the

American Airlines issue that recently happened? I didn't. I would love to know, though. So it was on, I saw it on Wall Street. So American Airlines had this scheduling glitch, and it allowed pilots to drop thousands of flights in July. And we heard here from Pilot Pete, like this is what I love to go back to your original point, is when you take The Bachelor and you marriage experiences on The Bachelor, but not with the show with like the professional stuff. When he talked about the fact like how he was able to be the Bachelor and on The Bachelorette without having any work issues.

But it also correlates exactly to this article where American Airlines gave them the ability to drop these assignments. And you know if Pilot P was an American Airline pilot on the Bachelor of July, he would have dropped every single one. And I guess they are discussing the fact that a lot of the air pilots are dropping those. And Americans are going to have a ton of cancellations. Well, what I can't stand is when people are in the airport, like, why would they even have this flight if they can't staff it? It's like, people, when did you book this flight six months ago?

So they didn't foresee this happening six months when you booked this flight. So enough with a bitching about like, why would they even have these flights that they can't staff them. Well, they didn't obviously foresee these issues. So it's pump the brakes there. I just played in a charity golf tournament with a guy who's been flying Boeing, or sorry, not Boeing, United, like P for 37 years. And so he's probably creeping up on that like 65 year old

where you can't, we have to retire. But I asked him, like, what's going on with his delays? And he said a lot of it's coming from the staffing shortage from air traffic control, from the airports themselves, not the airlines, that there's only a certain amount of people that can bring the planes in and park them and have them come out. he says that they'll get a notification at 6 a.m. being like, hey, we're short today from 1 p.m. to 5 p.m. We're cutting flights that are outgoing to 40%. And then they'll just like allocate

them amongst the airlines. So it's like it's like it's all. Do you know that air traffic control, if you look at like top stressful jobs in the world, air traffic control almost always makes that list? It's crazy. The airline industry in general is crazy. Have you seen the Netflix documentary on Boeing called Downfall? I have not, but I love a good... Like, Caitlin and I, you give us a documentary recommendation and you seal, stamp, deliver that endorsement. Like, you're telling me it's worth our time.

I guarantee we will watch it. It's going to be worth your time. It's like a one and a half hour, not like multi-episodes, long story short. It might contribute to a little tiny bit of flight anxiety, which we're going to get into a little bit, because they had... Basically, it's how Boeing got super greedy.

They were the kings of airplane designs and airplane manufacturing. They had the best quality control, the best staff culture, best quality of airplane. They got sold to a very greedy individual who only cared about the stock price, stopped doing quality control, stop caring about training their pilots. They had two flights that went down, crashed in Asia and Africa in less than a 12-month span, and it was all due to lack of training and lack of quality control and building. airplanes, all for the bottom line. So I think for you, huge on the bottom line. And now every time we fly, Ashley makes sure that we're not flying a Boeing 737 max because that's both of the...

And I remember the Boeing 737 and all the issues it had. And what's the name of that Netflix series? Downfall. Downfall. Okay, we'll check out downfall. That's for sure. We're going to keep this conversation going. The other thing I got to do is I have to give you guys some trading secrets about insurance you could have if you have a delayed flight or canceled flight. So I did this tutorial, it's on trading secrets. Go give trading secrets a follow. Give myself a follow. Jason Tartick. Go give David Ardoin a follow on Instagram. We are here. But two quick facts. I'm going to do it super quick. I didn't realize my credit card actually has an insurance that if I have a trip that is delayed more than six hours due to any type of maintenance or weather, they will give me up to

$500 for like food and toiletries and essentially like anything. And then if my trip is canceled and there's a laundry list of things that would fall under that, they will cover it up to $10,000 of any non-refundable travel costs associated with it. So my point in that is I didn't know they're there. If your credit card company has those things in place, it's likely they're not going to knock on your door and tell you to go report that. But go check if your credit card has any type of travel insurances, especially in this time. On top of credit card travel insurance. Credit card lounge abilities is total life-changing.

Life-changing. I'd say it's probably the best perk that I get from my credit card that Chase Sapphire is the membership to priority pass and just being in an airport as shitty as they are sometimes and be able to go somewhere, plug in your phone, have a nice reclining seat, have a beer, have a cocktail, have some food.

It is life-changing. If you also are looking for another travel tip, for me, if you travel a lot, like I travel a lot, the clear TSA pre-approved combo is unbelievable. Like, you will get through that airport security faster than you can imagine. So if you travel a lot, it's worth it.

And to your point, if you could find a credit card that gets you into those lounges, it completely changes the delayed process and just the overall experience. There's nothing quite like the mental game of like going to an airport to seeing like just how efficient you can be. And like, is there a better feeling that showing up to your gate like one minute before boarding even though it's on time. It's also the best part about an airport, dude, it's unbelievable, especially go to like a Vegas airport.

I mean, someone should do a show just on Vegas airports. It's outrageous the things you see. But what I love is that no matter what time it is, it could be two in the morning, five at night, eight in the morning, 10 in the morning, you could be ordering your bagel and eggs. Everyone's drinking. Everyone in an airport. It's like drinking rules, go out the window.

It's also eating too. Like I, you know, me big intermittent faster. Like I'll cruise through an airport at six. 6 a.m. and be like, how is Dunkin' Donuts? Like, the line is out the airport. It's so big. Like, people eat and drink in an airport and non-size. It is so fascinating. So you do fly. Like, I'm like, yeah, I'm not going to drink today. I'll eat healthy. I see people drinking and eat. I'm like, okay, fuck it. Let's go. You get like 10x hungry. Like, by every minute you're in an airport. But you said you travel a lot. I'm curious. Like, what's your flight routine? Like,

do you have a go-to, like, you know, once you're on the plane? Like, what do you do on a flight? Okay, so huge debate. Let's just start with this right here, right now. And I want you guys to tell us, go into the reviews, give us five stars, and let us know, are you aisle or window? I'm dying to know. Put your Instagram handle in there too. I'm a huge aisle guy. You aisle guy? I'm a die hard window guy. You're a window? Why would you ever be a window person? Explain it to me in 20 seconds. 20 seconds. Two things. One, I'm a huge sleeper on planes. So I love like, leaning on the side because I use the window to lean on. And two, I have a massive bladder. I have never urinated on an airplane. And so like the idea of like getting up and going to the bathroom

is not something that I do. So if I have to be in the aisle and someone wakes me up for my slumber, it's like a full snap. Yeah, but sometimes based on the plane, there could be a space in between the window seat and the actual window and or it could be too tight and you're actually sacrificing potential elbow room. I'm big on, like, I want to throw my leg out and I want to need a stretch. I want to get up when I want to get up. I often might have a drink or two on the plane. So when I pee, I don't want to bother someone else.

I might forget that my charger's up in my bag or that my iPads there, that I need my hat or something else and I want to get in my bag. I just want the convenience to do what I want. So that's for, I mean, for me, got to have an aisle seat. The other thing, too, is all my credit cards are aligned with Delta as a result of that I've been able to build diamond status. And so you get all these things that, make life so much easier. Like when you board, you pay nothing for up to three bags. There's no weight

increments, you know, just stuff like that, which is, which just makes things easier. And then I would say the big thing for me is I always, always, always bring a charger and I always use my iPad. Because you never know these days, like, will the, will the plane have a screen? Will it not have a screen? Like, what's there going to be? What's not? So I just bank on my iPad. That's the go-to. do you have any like weird like I have a couple things I do every single time I take a plane and they're like weird like to pass the time I do I want you to go first though well oh no not past the time I have a weird uh oh my god David what is it call I can't believe I can't remember this when you do something a superstitious I have one superstitious thing I do that when I get out

a flight every time no matter what I take my right hand and I plaster it to the plane and just hold it for like three seconds I don't care if someone's behind me I don't care if they're not I'm going to hold it, just take a deep breath, and then I go in. I do it every flight. That's wild. I've never heard of that one. I've never seen you do that either. That's wild. Okay, how about you? My wife makes funny because, like,

we just flew to Italy, and I don't watch, like, refuse to watch movies on the plane. I don't know why. It's like, the most assonine thing I've ever heard. It's, like, too big of a time commitment for me. Like, I just feel like... Time commitment, you're on a plane. I know, but, like, my brain needs to be like, I need to do, like, one thing to the other, to the other.

So, like, and I don't put headphones in and, like, listen to music. I just, I'm a weird. What I do, though, is, and this is a trading secret for all the people out there. Two things I do on an airplane, every time I go on an airplane, I delete all my photo, unnecessary photos for my photo album. To do what? Create storage?

Create storage. And just like easier to find photos. All the screenshots, all these things, all the gambling bets we send to each other, deleted. So that clears up. I'll delete like 1,500 photos of flight. And I go through my notes section and delete all the unnecessary notes that I don't use anymore.

Isn't that little monotonous, like, boring? Like, that's how you want to spend your time? I just, it's just my thing. It's my routine. It's like, I do that. It makes me feel like organized because there's no service up there. Here's why I feel like I'm confirming. It's weird.

Our producer just message. He goes, Evan's just goes, that's an odd ball. All right. The one thing, too, is I think that once those doors shut and I can't, you know, I'll get the Wi-Fi, but if I don't and it's like choppy, it's the ultimate time to just relax. Like, I'm off the grid. No one's calling. No one's.

text in, feed up, have a drink, watch a show, take a little schnooser. Like, you can, like, meditate up there. I love flying. People, like, get nervous and anxious. I love it. It's the best. My traveling anxiety has got a little worse as I've gotten older. I don't know why that is, but I do

enjoy a good fly. Now, before we before we go, you've, I saw you've got some plates going in the background there? You've flown private. I've flown private. Give me your like summary of just that whole entire experience in a nutshell for the viewers who maybe haven't got that

opportunity yet. Okay, anytime I have flown private, it is because I have been with someone who has a plane and or a company is paid for it. So I've never in my life spent a dollar on flying private. It is the most un-economical thing you could possibly do. Like in almost no circumstances are the economics of flying private better than flying commercial. That's what people should know. But if you can afford the luxury, because you have made it in such a successful way, it is the best luxury that I've ever experienced. So you don't, like, through the security process, there is none. You literally walk in. They'll take your car. Oftentimes they will park your car for you or they'll drive your car to the plane and then drop you off. You get up there. There's no rules.

there's no put your seatbelt on we're taking off there's no you can't get up there's no you can't drinking anything anything goes and i'm talking about trading secrets dude when we're in those airport lounges anytime that it is private and i'm like peeking around i'm like who are these people what is their story where did they make money like i'm just like so curious what the deal is i definitely would say for me in my experiences and doing it uh in my previous employer i worked for multi-billionaire, and we flew private all over the place. I would say it's the biggest difference from like the common folk, like the white collar to the elite, like the biggest difference is the way that they travel.

And flying private is that number one thing. There is nothing like the convenience of flying private. When Jay says you show up and you do nothing, pictures showing up to a hotel, driving in the little roundabout, being able to walk in the hotel, not check into the front desk and just go to your room. It's like that, but an airplane. You control when you leave. You decide, like, this is when we'll leave. We'll show up and we're gone. And we're down. It's, it's incredible. I've been on the private jets with, like,

the beds in it and, like, sleeping on a, like, a full-blown bed at like 40,000 feet. It's just there's, there's some aha moments, flying private. Everyone, if you get the chance, do it, don't ever spend your own money on it because Jay is right. The prices that you and P listed, the 90K from L.A. to New York and the 50K to New York to Miami. Those are factual. I can back those up. Those are real prices. It's crazy. So it's literally relationships that have allowed David and I to have that luxury. Neither of us have I spent money. David used to work for a multi-billionaire. And so he had that luxury as well. So it's a wild experience. It's unlike no other. It reminds me of when you're

like when you made enough money and you're like, yeah, I'm the chicken and steak. I can now have the chicken and I can now not order the chicken. I could order the steak. It's like those people at that level. It's like, yeah, first class, no, no, I'm just going to get my own plane. Like, it's so next level. It's so, you're so right. There is no like, it's like you either can or you can't. If you're like stressing about it, you can't. Like, you just can. It's insane. Okay. Great industry, though. Great episode. Great episode. What else? You got anything else you want to close us out with or anything else for the Curious Canadian? No. Well, quickly, premiere of

Bachelor Bachelorette sorry first two-timer of the of the females since Caitlin's season this one's for the whole season instead of the first night are you going to be tuning in

to season who knows what it is of the Bachelet with Gabby and Rachel I will be tuning in and I did Caitlin's not huge on talking about the numbers or the whole career aspect

but Caitlin did talk a little bit about her career detour not being the co-host anymore on a couple podcasts. And so I went to Caitlin. I knocked on her door and I said, hey, I respect that you didn't want to come on this show because you don't want to talk about your career or the numbers.

And I didn't ask, but you're going on other shows and talking about it. We need you on. And so she did agree to come on. So if you have any questions about that, David, we will have to save those for when she does come on. But I will be watching it. We'll be tuning in.

Wish it was her co-hosting. think it should have been her co-hosting or hosting. But you know what? That's the way the cookie crumbles. And it will be fascinating because I think it's a total detour, but a pile of pizza on and The Bachelorette's on today. So I think it'll be interesting to see what they're doing because I think what they're doing, and I don't know,

but the business side, I feel like they've lost the older audience. And I don't, I think there's no turning back. I think that audience has decreased significantly. And I think they're going to have to make a move at like Gen Z at the TikTok generation. And if they don't capture it, they have to capture it. And so I think it's going to be a lot different this season. But we'll see. How about you?

What do you think? Well, I heard that they're filming a huge portion of it on a cruise ship. So I just think like that whole theme of like even though COVID's, you know, quote unquote over with the centralized location, they just must have found it so much easier for filming and all those things. yeah, I agree with that. You know, I'll be tuned in because I'm a degenerate bachelor follower. But, you know, I think that, you know, the whole Joe Millionaire thing got got a lot of good traction with the two leads. And I think that the Joe Millionaire guys handled it so well. There's no drama.

It was so refreshing. Like, it was really, really good. And if the bachelor, Bachelorette, they have two pretty good leads. I think if they can keep it a little more drama free and more fun and like, but we'll see. I just don't, I just don't know if that'll ever happen. but I'll tune in. I'll tell you this much. I'll say this.

I am not enticed. I'm going to watch it. I am not enticed in any which way, form, or shape to watch the show based on the marketing I've seen so far with positioning the two bachelors. There's nothing I've seen so far as they're teasing it that I'm like, I got to watch it. Nothing. I'm going to, but absolutely nothing. I couldn't agree more.

it's such an example of like they have this new idea that you could market it and make it different and maybe catch people's attention and they're just sitting on their bachelor at laurels like knowing like oh well just own Monday night and ho-hom it'll be great exactly well david we just went into a 20-minute recap off a 50-minute episode so we're going to wrap up but guys give us some feedback in the reviews five stars go follow david arduin on instagram go follow myself jason tardic follow trading secrets Make sure you join our Facebook group. We also have an all-access trading secrets group. You can reach out to us, DM us.

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