Trading Secrets - 91: 4x Super Bowl champion, Rob Gronkowski makes $70M+ in NFL contract money! Saving and investing it like a Hall of Famer. Trading secrets and misconceptions cleared up!

Episode Date: February 13, 2023

This week, Jason is joined by four time Super Bowl champion, five time NFL Pro Ball selection, 11 year NFL Veteran, future first ballot football Hall of Famer, Rob Gronkowski!     Rob is regarded as one, if not the best, tight end to ever play the game. He spent 11 years in the NFL playing for the New England Patriots and the Tampa Bay Buccaneers while earning a combined $70+ million in just NFL contract money. Contrary to the stigma of professional athletes going broke after their playing career, Rob put together a financial plan throughout his career that allowed him to strictly live off the money he made from endorsements, other revenue streams, and successfully invested his contract money for the future.    Gronk gives insight to why he believes in playing all the sports while growing up and not specializing in one sport until college, how he knew he always wanted to be a pro in some sport, when and why he decided to cut back on partying, how he handles nervousness, and why he wanted to ensure that he could live off his NFL income for the rest of his life. Rob also reveals how he was a troublemaker growing up, why he's glad he didn’t go to a college with a bigger football program, why he doesn’t want to take anything for free, how he prefers to be low key when traveling, and how he ended up falling asleep on the floor during his pre-draft visit with New England. Who did Gronk predict would win the Super Bowl? Which misconceptions does Rob clear up about himself? When did he know that he was going to attend University of Arizona? What year did he not play football in college?   Gronk reveals all that and so much more in another episode you can’t afford to miss!    Be sure to follow the Trading Secrets Podcast on Instagram & join the Facebook   Please note that this episode may contain paid endorsements and advertisements for products and services. Individuals on the show may have a direct or indirect financial interest in products or services referred to in this episode.   Sponsors: Visit squarespace.com/secrets for a free trial, then get 10% off a website or domain with code secrets Visit gtmbawomen.com to learn more about Scheller’s MBA programs   Host: Jason Tartick Voice of Viewer: David Arduin Executive Producer: Evan Sahr   Produced by Dear Media.

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We're referred to as Robbie G. back at home, but Grank on the international spotlight, Rob is regarded as one, if not the best tight end to ever play the game. He spent 11 years in the NFL playing for the New England Patriots and the Tampa Bay Buccaneers while earning a combined $70-plus million in just NFL contract money. Contrary to the stigma of professional athletes going broke after their playing career, Rob put together a financial plan throughout his career that allowed him to strictly live of the money he made from endorsements, other revenue streams, and successfully invested his contract money for the future.

Today, we're diving into all things. We have the one and only Mr. Robert. James Junkowski here. Wow. Wow. What an introduction, my man. Was that electric or what? That was electric. How you feel that? That was a different style of an introduction. What do you? What styles are you used? You've been on a million shows. You've done a million things. What styles you used to? You know, just kind of like four time Super Bowl champion, five time pro bowler and then they say your name. But you went, you dove deep into it, my man. I got that. That was nice. And then also Robbie G. Roby G. No one is Robbie G. when we were growing up. That's right. But on the international stage, Don't ask Brock, man. You look that right on. That was a good line.

That was really good, man. All right, let's get into it. So we are recording before the Super Bowl, but this will air the day after the Super Bowl, to give some context to listeners. So we got to start with some numbers and predictions. Super Bowl. Right now, who wins? What's the score?

I'm going with the Philadelphia Eagles. I just feel like, you know, they just been more of a dominant team throughout the whole regular season and especially through the two playoff games that they have played so far. Their offensive line is spectacular. the defensive line is dominant. Okay. And they can control the trenches the whole entire game. I think they'll get after Patrick Mahomes a little bit.

He's not going to be able to scramble as, you know, well as he can because of his little ankle injury that he has going on, a high ankle sprain. But it's impressive what he can still do on it. So I'm going to go with the egos. They're going to take the victory. I would say 31 to 24. 31.24. All right.

That's a good prediction. Now, gun to your head. You have to predict this right now. You got to bet a million dollars on this right here. duel you got to kick a field goal million bucks you got to put it on yes or no are you making the yes i'm making the field goal baby i'm going to make the field goal listen you play for america you played a lot of sports growing up we'll talk about that growing up buffalo soccer was not one of them so if i'm betting a million bucks i think i might be betting against you that's a good bet as well all right so before we get

into it here rob it's a business podcast we talk about life navigation career navigation we talk numbers we talk all things but i want you to feel safe like you got to be in a safe spot so So I want you feel safe. So we're going to have, you ever hear, you know what a safe word is? Have you ever heard of that term? Yeah, yeah. How would you define safe word? What would you say?

It's kind of like, you know, it's kind of like if you have children or something. And like someone's, you know, breaking into the house possibly. I'm just going off the charts already, off the rails already. And like you got to go hide. Like you got a hiding spot in the house, a secret hiding spot. Yeah. And then there's a safe word to just scream out loud. You never scream it out loud.

unless someone's entering and breaking into the house. And I would say, like, dinosaur. Dinosaur. With your kids. And you just, dinosaur, dinosaur. And everyone just runs, you know, into the safe, safe house that they have in the house. And it's a safe word as well. Have you ever heard of, quote, unquote, what a safe word is like in the bedroom?

Yes, that is well, too. That is well. So safe word. In the bedroom, it's like, shit's getting crazy. Yeah. You throw that word out there. Yes. Okay.

Yes. I never used a safe word ever. No safe words for you. Yes, I'm smooth with it. You know, I never had a safe word thrown at me ever. Okay. Yeah,

so I don't know. So I don't know what a safe word is in the bedroom. Well, that's the best part. Rob doesn't know a safe word. He doesn't have to go out. Faster is my safe word? Like that's my safe word. Oh, no, that's my safe word.

Oh. All right. I love it. There you go. We got Rob G's safe word. Wow. That's the safe word. for today. I was going to say because it's a numbers podcast, your safe word could be a number.

It could be your favorite. Because I love zeros too. And that ooh is kind of zeros. They relate. There it is. All right. So anytime I ask you a question that you contractually cannot answer or don't want to answer it, you just go, ooh. And I'll know. We're going to skip it and go to the next one. All right. I like it. Here's what I want to start though. So we're going to get into it. Growing up, you and I played hockey together. We're on the muddy ducks at like eight years old. I could, I'll never forget. You were two times bigger than us. You still are.

We couldn't even, like, lift the puck. And coaches would come in and be like, all right, we got one strategy today. Rob, you're going to cross the red line and just shoot the puck. The goalie's heads literally didn't come up to the crossbar. You would go top corner every time. Then I remember baseball, you're always jacking home runs, left and right, Lou Gehrig. And then you got high school at Williamsville East.

You obviously went to Williamsville North. You dunked the ball so hard that the back. board completely shattered. You remember all this stuff growing up? Yes, I remember it all, man. Okay. So here's the question I got for you. Today, it's now, especially like career development with parents, it's like a thing that you have to specialize. They're saying like don't play all those sports. Don't play, you know, basketball, baseball, hockey, football. You have to specialize. And now youth sports is like a billion dollar, multi-billion dollar industry is like you possibly having kids or seeing your nephews or like raising kids. Like what is your thoughts on like special?

in a sport at that young of an age. Yes, I think it's absolutely ridiculous to specialize in just one sport, you know, growing up. I would say you start that process, you know, you know, really specializing, really focusing on one sport once you get to the college level, you know, when you're a kid, you should be playing as many sports as you possibly, you know, can play. That's if you want, that's if you want to play that many sports. I think it's ridiculous if parents or coaches are telling these young kids. kids, hey, you better be playing baseball all year long. You better be playing basketball all year

long. How about what if the kid wants to play all four sports or three sports throughout high school and doesn't want to focus on one? I think that's how it should be. Just focusing out one sport is just ridiculous. I don't think it's really the right way. There's so many skills that you can learn from one sport and, you know, and bring it over to the other other sport as well. Yeah. It translates big time. For example, basketball, you know, you got to be able to box out in the basketball world in order to get a rebound. Right. Well, if I'm on the football field and there's a defender on me and he's covering me and he's right on my hip and the quarterback throws me the ball, which is five star Eric Dalman in my high school days. And let me tell you, how do I get, how do I get open?

How do I make that catch? I got to go up. I got to box out the defender. Use my body and get big with my body in order to go up and catch that football just like I would go get a rebound off of the backboard. So it translates big time. You know, you learn a lot of different techniques. You learn a lot of new styles, how things work, how you got to work together as a team, how you got to work together as a team in football, how you got to work together as a team

in baseball. I'm just saying the sports I play, how you got to work together as a team in hockey. And that translates into life after sports as well when you're totally done playing sports because you understand what it takes to be a team to be successful. And you're not going to be successful in the world at all unless if you're on a team, if that's your professional sports, or if you're in the business world, you know, working for a big business company. So I would say play every sport. Don't focus on one. And when you get to the college level, that's when you put all the focus and mindset into one, just one sport. That's great

insight. Also, there's a huge takeaway there, guys. For everyone listening back home, he didn't mention five-star Eric Dalman. Eric Dalman is the, was the starting quarterback, Williamsville North High School. I believe he still is single. An absolute stud, an absolute scholar, Rob G would not be who Rob G is today without his high school quarterback. A little shout out to Eric He was a five-star as well. He was a five-star recruit. I think he was the number three quarterback on rivals.com with the ratings. But he's just such a G that he just decided to, you know, just end his career after high school. You waited until 70 million plus in earnings for Super Bowls and a lot of things. Eric was so good. He knew it was done that. I got a question. I got a question about when you talked about your opinion on specializing. At what point, though, did you feel like? you played all these sports, and you were, especially in Buffalo, you were the best at every one of

these sports, without a doubt. So at what point did you say, okay, I actually have to specialize. I got, if I want to go football, I got to stop doing everything else. I kind of knew that I was going to play football 100% in college and try to get to the NFL when I was about a sophomore in high school. But that didn't affect me, you know, wanting to play other sports. I wanted to play at other sports. I had so many friends, you know, also playing a baseball on the baseball team, also on the basketball team as well. And I, loved high school basketball so much that yes I knew I was going to play football but I was still going to you know to try to dominate in every other sport I was playing but I would say I just

focus mostly on football though like I was doing the football workouts it wasn't like I was doing basketball training or baseball training which I would say it definitely affected me for sure as well negatively or negatively with other sports with the way how I was training for football because I was benching you know just trying to throw up weight and I kind of feel like it kind mess with my baseball swing over the course going into like my junior senior year yeah yeah that that's no doubt about that and i put a lot a lot of muscle on i would say i was a little bit more stiff than what i was you know growing up yeah and i kind of understood that later on in my football career that it's more about being loose and flexible to be athletic than you know just be strong and just yoked up and just

bulky you can't really move that well you got to be athletic in order to get open in order to black guys And that's how you prevent injury as well is by being flexible, by being loose. But I knew my sophomore year in college, I was dedicated to the football world. I knew I wanted to play football in college. I knew that my goal and my mindset was to get to the NFL. And it was right about when I really started focusing on that was my sophomore year in high school. But like I said, I love playing every other sport as well. Yeah, it's interesting you said because I saw that your post when you retired at June 21st, 2022.

You said in college, you were asked to write a. about your dream opportunity that you wanted to pursue in the location, every time you had to write about your future, no matter what it was in college, you picked being a professional football player. What I was curious about was like when we were in like fourth grade, third grade playing hockey together, we always thought you'd be a pro hockey player. Before college, did you think you would have gone pro in a different sport? Or was it always football since like eight nine? Well, like before high school. Yeah, before high school. Yes. But it was about, you know, growing up, I just wanted to be a pro athlete. You're just like, I'm going to be a pro athlete.

You're just like, I'm going to be a pro. Yeah, I just wanted to be a pro. When we were doing hockey or if it was literally baseball, whatever it was, I just always said, I want to be a pro. I'm going pro. I always said that, though. I'm going pro. I don't know what sport, but I'm going pro.

Did you ever have, there's always a story, and I think about where you went to school, I had to school, Wild North Willys. Did you ever have a story of like someone telling you, you saying I'm going to make it and a coach or a teammate or a principal or a teacher was like good luck. You want to hear this story? Yeah, I do. All right. This is a legendary story.

up together. All right. So in seventh grade, I was getting in trouble all the time. There's no doubt about that. I was a troublemaker. But it was harmless trouble. Yeah, it was harmless trouble. You got in trouble with Johnny Walter because you guys both like moon someone off the bus. Exactly. So it's like harmless. Yeah. Harmless stupid trouble. That's the definition of my trouble. Yes, 100%. I still, I'm still a troublemaker. There's no doubt about that. But I never took it too far. It was never anything serious. So here we go. This harmless stupid trouble. that I'm getting in in seventh grade, just acting like a fool, just being silly all the time.

And then eventually I had to go to the principal's office every Friday morning. And my dad had to come in from work every Friday morning for about 10 weeks straight. And we had to do a checkup on me. Am I doing everything right? Am I not being silly? Am I following directions? All that good stuff. Whatever it was.

And then I got in serious trouble in gym class. I'm messing around. We're playing basketball. i'm throwing half-court shots i'm making home i'm just i'm just b sing around just not passing anyone scoring every point then then throwing a pass across the whole core like it wasn't real basketball but i was producing but it was just silly harmless trouble and then eventually i'm getting i got pants okay yeah so then i who pants you what i know who pants yeah i was getting pants by like three girls shot yeah two girls and then i pants one of the girls back and uh

And what happened, yes, and what happened was that I got caught. I got caught. And then what I don't, you know, I got caught, Rob, you go to the principal's office. And what do I do? I don't blame anyone else. I go, yeah, it was me. I panced her, you know. I mean, you guys didn't see me get pants 80 times before, you know, obviously I'm going

to pants them back. She pants me. I pants to her. Yeah, exactly. So I go back to the office. So now this is like a serious. serious talk. And then, but I'm dominating in athletics as well. And I'm like, oh, I'm better than everyone. Playing a good way. Not like, not like a bad way. Yeah. You're never like that. Just my way.

Never ever have been like that. Yeah. It's just my style. Just being hilarious about it. Yeah. And then the principal right in front of me, you know, tells my dad, Dr. Crawford. This is a story I never told before. I publicly just, you know, privately. And he goes, you know, you know, my son was an all American athlete. And when he got to college, it started becoming very difficult for him. He was about the same as everyone then. You know, it's going to get harder as you get to high school into the college worlds. Athletics is only going to bring you so far.

And I'm in seventh grade, and I say right to the principal, you know, I ain't your son. I'm making it all the way. You said that to him. Yes. At 13 years old? 13 years old. Yes. You manifest in the seventh grade.

Yeah, I was manifesting going to the pros since like four years old. Okay. So as a seven-year-old, by the way, at this point, seventh grade, you're probably still towering over everyone in the room. What was the response to that? I'm not really sure what the response was actually. I kind of, that was kind of, you know, the fatigue from what I remember, but I just remember hitting him with that. I think it was, you know, the principal getting all mad, didn't really have a comeback. I mean, how were you going to have a comeback? You can't. A 13 year old. 13 year old that says it was that big, that size. Yes. So my dad's still shocked

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That actually brings me to a funny little game I want to play. It's three things. We'll call it, if this is the truth, I want you to give the touchdown signal. If it's false, I want you to fumble. It's tuddy or fumble. All right. I love these games like this. Okay, we've got a couple games going. Because here's the thing, growing up with you and then, of course, being like, best buddies with Tico and Tico being like your best friend and being best friends with Nate and Nate being your best friend. I've heard a lot of stories. And so people will will say, like, oh, you know him, and they'll ask me a question. There's three big misconceptions.

All right, yes. Okay? This is great. I like this game. Here's the big one. The big one is like, Rob's a big goofball. He's got to be a big dummy. He's got, is he just a big dummy? And my response is, actually,

Rob is like kind of a fucking genius. AP student, extremely smart, would come back. I remember when I say to your house when you were with the pets, you'd come back and you guys would have a full like pen and paper session and you would have nothing written down? We're like, Rob, how do you not have anything written down? You're like, I memorize it all. I don't forget.

So I would tell them, no, actually Rob's like off the charts, genius. Touchdown or fun ball, true or false? Well, part, the beginning part when people would ask you or your answer back. Oh, your response. Yeah. All right. Do you agree or disagree? We're going with a touchdown, baby.

Or you're giving away my secret now, baby. Yeah. I love when I'm underplayed. That's your training secret, though. That is my training secret. But you are, like in high school, you were a good student. You have good grades. You are smart as shit.

Smart as shit. I would love it because I actually always downplayed. I remember I got to the Patriots and coach Brian Debel. Not Brian Daebel, Brian Farrens. He's the offense coordinator right now for Iowa. But he was my tight end coach for the first two years. And I always downplayed. Like I didn't know what I was doing, you know, set the expectation very, very low.

And then after my second, after, you know, my second year broke all the records. in the NFL led the NFL and touchdowns in halfway through that year he goes i got your game he goes he goes he goes you act like you don't know what's going on you kind of act like a dummy but you know exactly what's going on and i was like shh don't tell anyone about check that's my trading secret right there is your trading secret you act like you're five steps behind yeah but you're like 15 steps ahead yes i've noticed that even because you know we got to i've got to see you at the garage crews and like all the behind the scenes and i usually don't ask questions i just kind of observe you're also with that with business like i think business wise you kind like you just like take a

step back you let everyone do the talking and you know what's going there's not one thing that slips through rob g's cracks yeah i mean once in a while i mean i've definitely made some mistakes in my life same with the athletic world you know and in the but you know you got to learn from those mistakes but overall the tendency is definitely that but also i would say you know the big goofball thing i mean it never affected me either because i always knew like okay like i'm going to take that opportunity everyone calling me stupid i remember that like back in the day when i was young too like oh he's just big dumb and just knows football i'm like okay like okay i'm going to use that to my advantage so that's all you expect out of me big dumb and just no football like okay so i have a ceiling that i can go

i got you're putting me down here so that means i got this whole you know all this area for improvement sure really i'm already up here but they're saying right here so then you impress people but it you know there was no big deal people were saying that but then you would meet people and they'd be like wow like that was impressive like I just thought he was a big dumb football jock yeah which is great and which it which is silly but I love it so all right I nailed that one I am right about that right the charts and I got his trading secret but also I'm big though so a lot of when people are big you're kind of more like slower yeah I mean I'm just saying this for all big people sure sure they're probably going to agree you just think a little bit

slower sometimes you got so much mass that your mind has to deal with it all so the process is just a little bit slower that's why people love big dudes when they're running in the NFL big dudes in the wwe like everyone is thrilled and just blown away when there's a big person that can move totally that's that's also the kind of Andre the giant the giant undertaker you the undertaker myself yow yow me like anyone who's like that Everyone is just like their jaws are dropping whenever they see them, you know, perform. And then they just take that, you know, a normal person just takes that mindset. Oh, he's probably big, slow and dumb then.

And just being big, I mean, I would say that we're just processing information at a little bit slower rate. I like that. But then that's why people love it when you're huge and you're athletic because they're like, wow, how is he moving when he's that big? See, guys, it's a lot of genius. And even the fact that like you're, like, being a little goofy, increases the likeability. So you're likable, your expectations are lower, you overachieve them. There we go. That was the first one.

Let's go to the second one. The second one, people are like, you ever party with him? I'm like, yeah, I've gone to party. Like, he just gets like so hammered and parties his ass off. He just drinks all the time. Like, no, let me give you another misconception. I think of any person, like, I know what you do. You're an accountant and you're a banker and you're a teacher and you're a nurse and

you're a doctor. You take your discipline combined and his discipline is better than all yours. Like this guy treats his body like a temple. He goes out and parties because he likes to have fun. Like he'll dance. He's rarely, rarely actually drunk. He'll have two, three drinks and the guy weighs 280 pounds. So he likes to have fun.

But no, the guy's not a drunk partying his ass off. Your misconception is wrong. Touchdown or fumble. All right. So it's a fumble. No, no, no. And I recovered it and scored a touchdown. Yes, because I would definitely say back in the day, there was some times.

This is why it was a little fumble. this is why I recovered. Here we go. Let's hear it. It's basically like I recovered, you know, went to rehab and I'm back. And I learned a new way. Back in the day, I mean, when we were a young 20, there was no doubt that I was absolutely getting trash.

Party and hard. Yeah. Party and hard. I mean, but it was kind of like binging just on the weekend. It would be like once or twice. Like it's Friday. I just worked hard. Sure.

And then it's Saturday night too. And we're going absolutely ham. But then right after that, you could I completely cut it off. I was disciplined to just cut it right off and then go work hard again. throughout the week and then not drink again until the following week. And when you're 21, 22, I mean, 23 years old, I mean, drinking 15 beers, you can get it up the next morning and, you know, and absolutely go do, go to use a workout, go crush it again, start drinking again and recover for Monday and be ready to go.

Right on. So that's where the fumble is. And then all of a sudden, like, you start hitting 26, 27 years old. And I was like, yo, if I want to be in the NFL, if I want to be a baller still, I can't pound 15 drinks a night. Like I'm waking up. I'm starting to feel it. You know,

it's starting to hurt when I'm waking up. And that's when I was like, I can't do that anymore. And I started finding ways like, all right, how can I go out? Have a good time, you know,

not be so trash so I can wake up the next morning and be able to get what I need to get done work-wise. So then that's when I recovered and that's where the touchdown comes in because now I agree, man.

I like to have a good time. I love going out. What I love to also do is dancing the whole time. If I'm drinking, I'm dancing the whole time. I'm getting a workout and I'm burning it all off. Yeah. I swear,

that helps what your your footwork as well totally it translates to the field a little bit it does it does for real but yeah who love i love going out having a good time but i don't like getting that trash anymore i don't like that blacking out i blacked out many times before i don't like that yeah you don't remember anything like that gives you anxiety getting a little bit tipsy you know moving around dancing letting your natural endorphins kick in and going out i i believe is the you know the one of the best formulas to go out have a good time but also to keep the success train on the right track i love it and there's nothing i'll tell you right now there's nothing you like more than when you are out you got a little buzz you nail a good dance move you'd be like you see

that dance move what about the last time we were in buffalo we went to the white party and then we went out yeah with john tico and he was on stage rapping and we were dancing on the stage yeah talk about blackout john tico was blacked out papa tico is a little bit behind he had to get blacked off we were up on that stage just tipsy feeling good after it going after it that's amazing Let me ask you this. Welcome to the big leagues, Tico. Welcome to the big league. Oh, he's going to love that one.

He's literally listening to dying right now on his way to a real estate call. Like, fuck you, Rob. Yeah, exactly. All right. Let me ask you this, the what age, give me like the age or the year in the NFL that you made that shift. Like you were like, I'm going to really, was it like 24, 25 first year, rookie year. When was it? Like, I would say about like 25 years old when I was like, all right, I got to stop getting so plastered.

Like, I can't run one. when Monday comes. Like, I can't, I'm showing up to the workouts and I'm struggling. And I'm like, I feel like I'm going to pull a hamstring or I'm going to pull muscle somehow some way. And just transitioned out of that phase. I mean, it's just kind of like growing up as well. Yeah.

Yeah. You know, I really wish I was in that phase of 21 years old still to this day. Yeah, same. That was a great time. Out of control. You didn't know anything else that was going on around you. Naive. You're like ignorance is bliss.

Like, no worries in the world. Exactly. You wake up, you feel good. This Labor Day at Lowe's, shop member-only door buster deals for a limited time. Save $50 on an ego string trimmer, now $169. Plus, get 50% off, select Holland Paivers. Not a rewards member? Sign up for free today.

But hurry, Labor Day door buster deals won't last long. Loves, we help, you save. Valid through 9-1, while supplies last, program subject to terms and conditions. Details of Lowe.com slash terms, subject to change. All right. Let's transition because I don't really have so much time with you today. Rob, obviously busy guy. I want to transition. You get to college. Here's another fun story that I've never talked about or like put out there. But you and I were me, you and Nate and Shane Sims, we're at a high school party. Okay. All right. And we find out that you probably don't remember this because there's so many things. But we find out the cops are coming. So we get out early. We get out early. And it was at Peter Bittner's house. Remember Peter Bittner? He had a party? Bittner had a party of his house. Really? It was low key.

So we get out, we're a suburban, no issues. We're driving. That's a big, hold on. That's a big guy as well. He's a big guy. He played football too. And yeah. He played a U.B.

Right. Yeah, he's big and dumb as well, but he's not. He's a very smart guy. We're in the same category. You're in the same category. Yeah. But I love the guy. He's great.

He's a very smart guy as well. Super smart guy. A lot of Buffalo beauties here, you know. Yeah. It's played at the University of Buffalo. He won a Mac championship. Pete Bittner, baby. Pete Betcher.

Little shout out there, Buffalo legend. But we're getting away. And in the back, by the way, we have Shane Sims, another Buffalo legend who's played D1 hockey, played pro, like, great dude. We got Nate Ruttsch, Dashel, who's just the beauty of all beauties. He is, Mr. Buffalo. And he's like, Rob, what are you so worried about? And I remember you saying in the car, you're like, dude, I can't get in trouble.

This was like sophomore freshman year. Like, I'm starting to look at colleges. And you pull out your phone and you were like, dude, you know, we're young, not 14, 13. You don't even know what college football, like, the extremity. of it. We're like, come on, dude. Coaches are texting here, and you're like, yeah, look it. Like right here. And it was like, University of Michigan. You're like, yeah, University Michigan, Ohio State. And there was like one Ivy League school or something. And I was like, we're like, what? And I'll never forget it. Said to you, where, dude, where are you going to go?

How do you decide? And you literally like 14, 15, you were looking at me and the people of the car. You go, I'm going to University of Arizona. We're like, wait, wait, wait, wait, what? Like, you could go to Michigan, Ohio State, SEC, Ivy League. Like, dude, you're going to get to Ivy League school. It's the best thing you'll ever do. What? University of Arizona. Why, Rob?

And you literally looked at you go, I'm going for the chicks, boys. Chicks, you go, chicks galore at University of Arizona. So I've never been able to ask you this, because any time around, he's always swore. But 14-year-old Rob G. said he's going to University of Arizona for the chicks. I'm the priority list of, like, top five to ten things of why you went to Arizona. where did that actually rank like one through ten yeah that is unbelievable because that's what i was saying to everyone i was the biggest meathead actually one of the biggest meatheads actually in a way for sure yeah in a great way you know throughout the high school times like yeah it was

just so ridiculous and out of control it was i always want to make it it was always with the intent of being like fun loving and funny and being like hilarious with it too malicious like oh i'm going to get it was like oh the chicks are hot like it was always fun and loving like there was no malicious anything it was fun yes obviously so i visited the university of arizona i went on a visit when my brother went there as well and yes the chicks were beautiful and everything definitely and there's no doubt about that and when you're at that age you're just you're 14 you're trying to brag about chicks at all times like why did you score that goal yeah for the chicks like even if you had a girlfriend like that was just well known right and

our area where we grew up was just to brag about getting chicks or why you're doing it is to get chicks like all that good stuff and it was always just hilarious like that's just how we rolled totally yeah why are you working out oh so i could check to get chicks like that's all we said it was just it was just ridiculous that's what we said i'm glad we kind of grew out of that stage a little bit mad to go to a business meeting yo why you want to work here so i can make money and get chicks it would work actually but you know what actually still leaks into this day it leaks into you, it leaks into Tico, it looks into Calderon, Padgione, all these, everyone still does it. We're almost fucking 40.

We still do it. Is the 69 jokes. Yes. And here's what I got to say, and I want your take on this. The 69 jokes, I'll never forget, Williamsville North. Football actually wasn't the sport in Buffalo. It was hockey. Hockey is where you'd have 3, 4,000 high schoolers at these games.

And the clock, it'd be a big game. Williamsville North versus Williamsville East. Williamsville North versus St. Joe's. the clock would say 619 the game's playing there's nothing happening there's no power play there's no goal there's no nothing at 619 the crowd all 3,000 would go 10 9 8 7 7 6 5 4 3 2 1 so the clock the clock would just say 609 and all the fans are throwing their beers their drinks everything's earlier like 18s without beers but all the parents are like nothing happened like the game's still going on why are these kids celebrating and they were just celebrating because the clock said six so nine that's just how we grew up man that was the

nature yeah how we grew up and that kind of explains bill's mafia a little bit a little bit yeah I guess you're right and we're like a suburb like 30 minutes away from buffalo so it only gets crazier from there all right so that gives us an idea of Arizona University of Arizona and our background but you go to school obviously there's all this NIL stuff happening now. At your time, there wasn't. Did you ever see as far as like financially or like, you know, career strategy? Was there funny stuff or like shady stuff happening in college sports to like try and monetize, make money off signatures, things like that back when you were there?

No, man. Not really at all. I didn't see any of that go down. Not at all. Especially at the University of Arizona. I mean, the U of A, the Wildcats, I mean, we're a Division I football program. but I would say it's like kind of in the middle. It's not no Alabama, no LSU, no USC, I mean, at that time.

But I mean, it was a solid program. But it wasn't anything like where there's donors that are behind it, like these big time programs that are out there. So I didn't see anything shady at all go down. I mean, I came from a family that, you know, my dad was, you know, we were middle class. You know, we had some money. So it wasn't like the opportunity was coming where people were offering me money. because they saw that, you know, we're well taken care of. Sure.

So it wasn't like I got bribed or anything at all. So I didn't really see anything shady go on, you know, throughout that times. But I can I can just picture it now with these NIL deals. Yeah. Like how much like unregulated, you know, opportunities and things that are happening. Yes, okay. Yes, you come here. It's just probably ridiculous.

Okay, here's $250,000 from this company. Come here for two appearances for one hour. And it will be like, $250,000. Like, it needs to be regulated at some point. I think it's great that these players are getting paid and, you know, getting money off of their name and likeness, which they should be. But it needs to be regulated somehow in some way.

And no one knows how to do that yet. Yeah, because I would think, I'm just trying to put myself in my, in those shoes. If I'm 19 and I'm getting offered $250K, let's say cash under the table, suitcase, like show up to a couple parties, I don't know. Does that kind of start to scrooes? up your work ethic. Obviously there becomes tax issues. Do you think if those things existed while you were there, it would have potentially had an impact on your career trajectory, your focus, things like that or no? Yeah, I would say so for sure because there's a lot of people that I talk to

now. Like, you know, I got some friends in the NFL. They're not done playing, but they went to like the big time schools. And I hear so much about how they got paid back in the day. Like what there wasn't N I L deals. And it was all at the big time schools, though. interesting okay so there was i mean i'm not here to call anyone i'm just here to say yeah like that i've heard many times after i got in the NFL how how that stuff was going down yeah at the bigger at the bigger programs which i thought it was pretty cool i was like dang you guys are lucky like i yeah give me a check yeah like dang i should have went to one of those schools but you know i'm glad i didn't i'm glad i didn't take that path you know i like that path of you know earning everything

That's definitely, that's a trading secret right there. That's cool. I don't like going for the freebie stuff. I like to earn literally every single thing that I get. It's just a great feeling. And that's probably why you, you know, when people win the lottery, they all go bankrupt because it really wasn't earned. I mean, maybe it was because you picked the right numbers,

but I'm saying like when you earn it, you know, it's just a great feeling, you know, it's a great, great feeling. Give me just a little example, though. You said like the freebie stuff. How would you define freebie stuff versus earning something? I mean, the freebie stuff now these days, I don't even like to take anything for free anymore, man, because it's never free. They always want something. Yeah, they always want something. Like, I've worked so hard for my money and stuff. And like, I'm on a, I get appearances. I get paid big dollars to go represent a company to, you know, to go hang out wherever, sure, whatever, go do an appearance somewhere. So I want to, you know, it's not like I'm going somewhere for free. So it's like when I go to like a mom and pop restaurant, for example, and they're all excited that you're there. And they're like, oh, it's on us. it's like no like I want to pay for it you know you guys worked so hard I want to pay for it

because also at the same time it's like I just want to be low key I want to be here and if you guys pay for it then everyone's going to ask for pictures after like oh we'll give you a free meal let's take pictures and it's like you know I just want to be low key today but um oh Rob here take like I just started a clothing company here have 10 shirts you know yeah yeah but can you post about it or something sure yeah it's like who says I even like the clothing company exactly or if I don't have anything going on myself so I just like to pay for anything you know I like that I don't like to take freebies I'm going off the script here but I'm curious you said low key and I've talked about this with the guys I've talked about this with Tico and Nate and everyone like how like

okay even Brad Pitt Leonardo DiCaprio George Clooney like these massive names they can actually go low key because they're 510 5 9 6 1 head on head no one knows you're so big it's so recognized Well, how do you actually ever go low-key anymore? Yes, it is actually very hard because if I do go over to like another country, then they don't know anything about football. Like they just look at me. I'm still a giant. Because you're so bad.

I'm like what, like Godzilla, basically. I look like Godzilla when I go to other countries and they look at me. They're like, Godzilla. Yeah. Or I was in Australian. They're like big unit. That's a big unit. That's a big unit.

Yeah, that's what they were just calling me. So like it's even hard to go low-key. because then they just start asking questions because they're like, well, what do you do? Yeah, what do you do? You're definitely a professional athlete. And I give everyone, like, when they have no clue that I was, I'm a football player or was a football player. Yeah.

I have no clue. Like, if I'm in a different country, I'm like, yeah, you know, I play basketball. They're like, oh, you do what team? And I'm like, ah, it didn't work out. Just high school. It didn't work out. I still play, though. That's why I look like I'm fit, but I can't shoot.

I can't dribble. But I love to play the game still. And they're like, oh, okay. And then they walk away. They're like, oh, he's a nobody. And then they walk away. I'm like, yeah, that's right. I am a nobody.

And I love it. Keep the expectations low. Keep the expectations law. There we go. Trading secrets right there. Trading secrets right there. But low key and like around here, I got a new trick. So the COVID, you know, obviously with the corona, everything, it's just mind blowing, like, with

everything that happened. But then the best thing that came out of it was the mess. Everyone's like, oh, I hate mass. You can't breathe. I'm like, you know, I'll take not breathing for four hours to stay low key the whole time. So I put the mask on. It comes right to here. I put my hat on.

It comes right to here. And I go to, I fly commercial all the time. And you're good. And I fall all the time. If I'm in Boston, Tampa, wherever I am,

the states I play, you know, the cities I play and it doesn't matter. No one knows that it's me. I also put a huge coat on like a hoodie or something. So you can't tell I'm athletic at all. And then also I don't wear athletic shoes. So I wear like some dress shoes or something.

So you can't really tell. So I walk around every, I've been walking around every single airport. for the last two years flying commercial. And I've probably been stopped about three times only. With this shred, this is another trade. And then I even, so here's another one, Dave Portney, Portnoy.

Yeah, Portnoy. El President. The big guy, the big guy. You used to be boys with him back in the day before Barstool was Barstool. Yes, great guy. So I have my mask on, hat down and he walks by me. I'm in the Nashville airport.

And I'm like, that's Dave Portnoyne. Thanks for the call, Rob. Yeah, that's Dave Porno. Yeah. Oh, this was real quick. I was there for, I was there for a couple hours. I'm just kidding. I was just kidding.

Well, yeah, I'm going to give you a call next time, all right? Yeah, I will. We'll have fun. I will. All right, damn. That was pretty good. That was good. I got to do it.

So he walks by me and I'm like, Dave, I looked at him. And then he sits down and then I walk by him again. But he has no clue that it's me. And then I go up to him like, yo, Dave, what up? And I start waving him with my mask and hat down. And he's freaking out. He's like, well, hey. Who is a fair.

Hey. Yeah. I was like, hey. And then I got to get close to him. He, like, backs up a little bit. He's freaked out. Like, I've done, I've done, I've been in his situation before. I've done the same thing. Like, I'm just trying to chill in peace and you're just right up in my grill. And you're right up in his grill. Big guy. And I was like, yo, it's grok. And he's like, yeah, he kind of looked at me like, no way. And I was like, yeah, he's like, yeah, what's up? So he didn't even know that it was me. That's how legendary of a move it is. And I was like, and he's like, yeah, what's up. So he didn't even know that it was me. That's how legendary of a move it is. to wear that mask and the hat all the way down. And I love it, man. It's just peaceful. Yeah. I like to, you know, I like to do just normal things, man. I really do. But I don't like to do normal things when I'm like very bombarded.

Yeah, of course. Like trying to get through the airport. It's a lot. Like that's not a time where I want to be bombarded. Like it's a lot. Like there's places and times. I love my fans, love people that support me, you know, that I don't know, especially my fans.

I love them, man. But like when it's just when it's the right times, you know. Yeah. When it's the right times. but, like, airport, traveling, going out to dinner. Like, I try to stay more low-key because I just like my piece, like, at those moments. Two quick questions with that. You mentioned flying commercial.

Obviously, you can afford private. When you think about the numbers, the dollars, the cents, the finances, do you prefer to fly commercial because it's much more affordable? Or, like, what's your take on just the private versus commercial? All right, here we go. This is a great question because a lot of people ask and some stuff a lot of times. But I definitely don't believe, like, in flying commercial across country. I mean, it's for the six-hour flight.

You can definitely get one of those lay-down beds now where you can close the door. Also, I do my technique where no one knows with the mask and hat on. And then you have your own pod, your own pod now, and you can lay down, you got a blanket, you got a pillow, you got internet, you get meals that are just delicious as well on these planes now. You get all the channels on the TV, all 300 movies to choose from. And let me tell you, that absolutely beats a private plane, I think, going across country. And it's a shit ton cheaper. Yeah, and it's $1,000 compared to $60,000.

Right. Yes, going across country. But I like when, you know, puddle jumpers, you know, when you're in the thick of time as well, when you're very busy and you've got to get, you know, point A to point B. And it's like only an hour away, say Boston, the Buffalo. It's a great time to take a private. Also, staying on the East Coast from Boston to Florida, a great time to take a private. So I love privates, private planes probably within when it's. under three hours and then other than that i like to fly the commercial it's experience yeah and

the pods i love the pods you have plenty of room as well i love it well the other day i was on a trip i was with emirits it was Dubai i'm on on the business class fat joe and joe rule are behind me on that plane just partying their ass off having the time of their life so they share the same agreement on the whole commercial yeah you have a good time and it's cheaper yeah but if i mean if you got like big dollars though yeah Then whatever, what's a private plane going across country? Gotcha. We're talking.

I mean, you know, NFL owner type money. Then you fly, then you fly private across the country. But then you also have a G7 that's where you can stand and you got internet and you got eight meals and, but I mean. I mean, listen. For a low key guy, a guy that's trying to make it still, I can't fly across country. Privately. Here, we've been dropping some Buffalo next.

So I'm Jason Tark. I'll be going cross-country spirit. Rob will be going cross-country Delta. You don't even have to respond to this. Freshman year for you was, it was pretty solid, but wasn't earth-shattering. Sophomore year, 30-some catches, you blow it up. Junior year, you go back surgery. Did you, I want to get into the whole you playing in the NFL.

Was there a concern that going into the draft for you, like career navigation-wise, was maybe too early given the resume you had in college? Not really. I think I was ready for the step. It definitely stunk. You know, I really was disappointed. I didn't play my junior year at Arizona. That's one thing.

If I could go back, I would kind of change, like, if I could. Like, I felt like it was going to be an extreme breakout year as well for myself in the college ranks. And it was a time to put Arizona truly on the map as a football program, too. And we had a really good team going into my junior year, and I thought we could definitely do it. But unfortunately, I had the back surgery, which was brutal. Back surgeries are the worst.

It's when you're a herniated disc. It's a herniated disc. the disc is sticking out and hitting all your nerves on your spinal cord and then it just shoots pain all the way down your leg so i've had three of those back surgeries actually they're the worst but i mean it got i feel like i'm you know like i said i've learned a little bit you know throughout the time so i feel like i know how to take care of all that now and and to manage to prevent another back a back injury to my best ability i mean something may happen but to my best ability and knowledge i can prevent it as much as possible at that time man i just felt like i was

ready for the pros my brother was leaving go to college he was my best friend there all my friends they were older they were leaving they just graduated from college and i've been playing i i never played like at my age group in my life like if i was 10 years old i was on the 12 baseball team yeah yeah i was always playing with my brothers who were always older to me i was a freshman and sophomore in high school playing on the varsity teams all that good stuff so i was always ready for the next jump whenever i could do it even if i was the young buck doing it so when i left university of a zone even after not playing my junior year i just felt like mentally i was still ready for that next step all right so you were ready for that next step then i i watched this clip of bill bellichick

talking a little bit about your pre-draft visit i need your take on this oh yes i'm a player okay uh he came up on his pre-draft visit uh had a bad visit we put him in a room came back he was asleep on the floor didn't make very good impression he was what he was sleeping on the floor yeah well you know i brought him in we just kind of you know we're getting ready to you know have meet with the coaches and go through and then fell sleep in a floor like boy you know so uh went there all right so that was bill belichick talking about your pre-draft i heard that i was like come on is that true he hit it right on the nose it was maybe one of the worst visits of all time so i'll tell a little bit of it first off i just so you're when you're doing all the previsits you're hopping on playing going to one team going to the

next team and i took about 12 visits to all these teams and it was getting tiring what are you doing And so you're going over plays to see if you can remember them, like giving you two plays. Well, hey, we'll be back in the meeting room in 10 minutes and see if you can remember the play. Just seeing your knowledge of the game, just seeing your personality, just asking you questions about your life, just getting to know who you are because they're about to invest all this money in here, you know? And they want to, they want a guy to see if that fits your system.

So I'm on all these trips and I partied super hard one night. This was one of my mistakes. I mean, I partied at University of Arizona one night, got absolutely hammered, had to jump on the flight the next day and start this little tour. So I already put myself in the bag. So I'm going on this tour. I'm falling. I'm no sleep. I'm hung over already. I'm visiting all these teams. And then I got to New England and I'm cashed. Like I'm like, I don't even care anymore. I was like whatever team takes me, whatever round I go in, wippy do. Like I'm over this situation. I'm over this process. It's like it was exhausting. Exhausting process. And also I'm,

I would put myself to exhaustion before I even went on the process. So it was. It was double exhaustion. So I show off and I'm like, I don't give a flying shit no more. Yeah. I go, I'm just going to just let it be. I'm going to let it fly here. And it was the time, it was the era where so many NFL players were getting in trouble. And they just kept getting opportunities.

Another team would sign them. This is like 2009, 2010. If you go back, there's a lot of guys getting in trouble then. And it didn't matter. They would get a big contract sale. So then my theory was like, you know, just let it fly. All these guys getting in trouble, they're signing big deals. I'm going to do it too.

So I had the most craziest visit, man. My comments I was saying to their questions, I just let it fly. And then they went to the playbook. They drew up some play. It was Billy O'Brien. Okay. The offensive coordinator now for the back with the New England Patriots. He drew up a play.

He came back and I didn't know one single thing. My mind was shut off and I was just like, I basically said something like, doesn't matter. Just throwing me to football. Yeah, it's just like that, just like that. And they're just mind-blown. They're like, this guy is out of hand. Then I go upstairs, pass right out, right on the floor. I'm so tired, passed right out on the floor while waiting for the next coach to talk to, pass right out. So my visit was maybe the worst visit of all time, and I walked away from the New England Patriots. I mean, there was a lot more detail, like how outrageous it was, but we just need the glimpse of it. And I walked out, and I said to myself, that team is

either going to draft me or that team is either crossing me off the list instantly right now instantly i said it's either or and then look what happened they took me it's like the seventh grade principal yes like the seventh grade principal but billy oh he saw something do you do you do you worry like you look back in your career though and think about the like how big of an impact the patriots the culture the team brady had obviously your success amazing but like do you think like oh my god that could have all been lost because I wasn't even prepared. Yes. Or are you like, no, I was me and they wanted the best version of me.

I was authentic to me. Yes, I was very authentic for sure. It was like the one question like Billy O was like, you get hammered and not remember like going home. And I was like, yeah, like all the time. Like that was my college life. Like I just answered it straight up. He was probably like love that.

Yeah. He was like, yeah, it was I just went in. I was truly honest. I was like, that's just a way to be for sure 100%. But I never really thought about. about it like that, did I throw any opportunity away? I mean, I wasn't even in that opportunity yet. I mean, if I got, you didn't know what you were throwing away.

Yeah, I didn't know. I'll be here. Exactly. And I was like, and I was trying to get drafted by any team. It wasn't like I was looking like at the Patriots, like, oh, I got to join their dynasty. Yeah. It was just I left them and said, wow, they're either drafted me or not drafted me. I really didn't even know that much about the NFL when I was in college either.

Again. I just knew I wanted to get there. It wasn't like I was a Bill's fan, but it wasn't like, I couldn't really like, I couldn't even play fantasy football and name off and name my starting team yeah like it was just there the NFL was there i put the game on and we just watch it wasn't like i was a diehard fan or anything yeah so but i that all started once i got to the NFL then i now i know who everyone is and all the coaches all the history of the programs yeah yeah all that stuff but growing you know growing up it was like we played so many sports growing up we didn't i mean we didn't we yeah we love the bills but still

at the same time i didn't know like fantasy football i didn't play until college yeah you're doing a hundred things 100 miles an hour you don't even know it actually leads me to another question i have for you because i think if you didn't know if it's like robert craft and tom brady and bill belichick you know all these things going into it like does it kind of psych you out this is a question that i think could like actually help people at home maybe they get nervous in front of their boss maybe they're nervous giving a presentation i don't think i've ever in your life seeing you really nervous or like freaking out the only time one time i was like caught off guard was when tico and i were staying with you in Foxborough. It was summer and it was off-season. And you got a workout in on like a Saturday

morning. You were in there at like 7 a.m. by yourself. You went up to the Foxborough area. You're working out and you came back and you're so pumped to tell us that Robert Kraft's grandson was there. You're like, Robert Kraft's grandson was there. And I was like, why is that matter? You're like, because like, they saw me working out Saturday morning at 7 a.m. And I thought to myself, I'm like, and this is a time. you are gronk now you are huge and i'm like this he i'm so surprised that he would care like what robert craft grandson thinks look how big he is like he isn't why would he care what he thinks that's the only time i've seen like you question things do you get nervous in these situations and what advice you have for like kids back at home whatever they are doing what they do the way

they do get nervous and it impacts their performance yes yes oh i definitely get nervous i was nervous before a lot of NFL games for sure i remember as a kid though there was no nerves as a kid like that was unbelievable that stage when i was yeah i felt like i was so dominant and invincible it was it was legendary my childhood growing up i loved this so much when we were playing hockey together all the baseball times and i got i got two two times when i was growing up we got to we got to bring them back up one involves you and one involves tico as well okay the one involves tico is when i hit a home run off of him on diamond five love that yeah yeah absolutely went deep on him he's still playing so the day. Take that. Tico. Yes. But the nerves, I definitely get nervous. You know,

there was one thing, Brian Ferrence, you know, he was my coach, my first two years, like I said earlier. And he told me, if you're nervous, you're ready. And that kind of hit me. I was like, it got me ready for a game because I was like, oh, coach, man, I'm nervous right now. Like, it was my rookie year. He's like, if you're nervous, you're ready. And that always has stuck with me to this day. And I was like, man, I like that because he was like, I was literally thinking my mind, like, wow, I am ready. I prepared all week. I know every single play going into the game. Like I practice all week.

Like I'm ready to go. So I would say just prepare to your best of your ability, you know, to all the young kids out there. Prepare to your best. You know, learn the playbook. Learn your plays. Be the best teammate that you can be. And if you're nervous, that's okay.

That's part of the game. But once you get rolling, I'm telling you the nerves are going to go away. Just say that to yourself. You're prepared, which you will be. If you know you're prepared and you're nervous, that's fine, though, still. Once you get rolling in the game, the nerves will go away. I mean, once I started, you know, I was very nervous before games. I'm four or five plays into the first quarter.

And let me tell you, those nerves start just floating away. And then you just get into the routine of playing football again. So just prepare it to your best of your ability. And if you are nervous going in, just go out there and do your best. And I'm telling you, they'll go away after you, after you make a terrible play or a great play. It'll be gone. It will be gone because a great play, you'll feel. ready and that terrible play it'll get you pissed off and you'll be even more ready then i like the

the thing i'm taken away from that because there's some good stuff that the thing i'm taken away if you nervous you are ready because people look at nerves is like a bad thing like i can't believe i feel this way that means you're ready that means you're focused that's a really good one all right i want to get we only have 20 minutes left with rob and we got to of course getting the NFL career the average NFL player rob plays three 3.3 years you played 11 years the average NFL salary on an active rosters 2.7 million. Based on everything you see online, your career earnings were over six or 70 million. Sixty nine million. Sixty nine. There we go. We're from Buffalo. Sixty nine million. You can't overuse those 69 joke either. There's some people out there that overuse it.

You got to place it. You got to play. If you overuse it instantly, it's not cool. Yeah, you're not funny. You're not even cool anymore. It's like douchey. Like you've ruined it. Don't want a good thing. All right. Once or twice. At least you know that's great. Can't overdo it. But, you know, obviously, you're an outlier in the whole NFL world and in your book. And in your book. that was released in 2015. It's good to be gronk. You did state that you haven't spent any of your NFL contract money and you only spent off marketing money.

You had marketing deals with Dunkin' Donuts, Visa, T-Mobile, Lyft, Cheerios, Monster Energy, Tide, USAA, we see those commercials all time. They're awesome. It goes on. Is that true? Is it really true? You really didn't spend a penny of your NFL contract. Yes.

I would say it's basically true. I remember when I signed with Drew Rosenhaus out of college when I knew I was going to go pro and when I officially signed the letter of 10 to go pro, he advanced me a $50,000, like kind of like a signing bonus to sign with him in the marketing department. And then the first $50,000 I made, I had to give back to him. So I lived off that 50 grand at first for the summertime until I got to the Patriots, you know, got totally drafted and started getting my paychecks. And then eventually I made that $50,000 back after my rookie year and I paid them back to $50,000. But I was living very subpar. Yeah. Yeah.

like running out a condo with another rookie and we're paying a thousand bucks each right so i basically you know i also got a car and you know a used escalate it was it was like 30 000 so i used at 50 grand and uh bought a 30 000 used escalate which i thought i was the man with as well because that's a whole different story a whole different story but you've always been disciplined with money yeah so therefore then i started getting my paychecks and i started making a little bit more off the field as well once I got past the $50,000. And then therefore, if you just took like my salary money and I mean, I kind of mixed my salary money and my endorsements money eventually like all in one portfolio. Yeah. So but if you mix my, you know, what I was spending and you take my salary money

what I was making the NFL, it was never going below what I made in the NFL. So technically I was spending what I was making off the field the whole entire time. Gotcha. And when you think about like your investments in your assets. You have your place in Foxborough, which is awesome. You got Tampa Bay housing. But other than that, like, you're pretty, do you invest all those other dollars? Oh, yes. You know, I invested very frugally. I love municipal bonds. Look at you. Let's see. This guy right here. They're great. So you're conservative with your investment. Yeah, they're conservative. I mean, you get like three and a half percent back. Yeah, yeah, yeah. But it's tax free, obviously. And three and a half percent on a lot of money.

Yes, it is. It is. It's pretty good. All right. And I also got money coming in left and right still. just working. I love to work. I mean, I love to take time off as well, work out, you know, balanced life, but also at the same time, you know, after 10 days off sitting on the couch working out, I'm like, I got to go back out and grind. So yeah, I got to go do whatever I can do and, you know, pay the bills. And you don't spend to spend. Like I even remember one time you said, like, if it's one night and we're going to spend 20 grand, I'll spend it if like we're getting $20,000 of value. Like we're having the best time with my boy. But you're like, I don't just spend to spend like a lot of the people you.

You see like the private planes. Like I spend it on a private plane when it's well needed when I'm jumping from A to B and then I got to go to C and I'm not going to have time because I accidentally made a commitment where I got to be there right at that time when it all makes sense. It's not like I'm just going to say, hey, like let's just hop on a plane and go somewhere. I mean, maybe if I'm with all my friends and then the value is worth it. But I wouldn't just do it myself. And also I like to spend on security and privacy as well.

I love that. Yeah. So like that's why you got Bobby Goose and health. Two muscles. Bobby Goose. He'll take care of your security and health. Yes. All right.

I got to ask you about this because you're obviously smart with your money as an NFL player. 78% of NFL players file for bankruptcy or experienced financial stress only two years after retiring. That's not Rob G because of your tactics. The reasons why they feel that are the need to support everyone, small earnings window, lack of knowledge, or overspending. Based on what you've seen, locker room or people are just hearing things, no one specifically. But which of those do you think is the reason you've seen people go bankrupt the most in the NFL? the need to support everyone small earnings window lack of knowledge or overspending if you had to say

one yeah wow because it's really a combination of like all four yeah it really is i mean i would say the most popular one out of all that is overspending okay just there's times there's situations where they're taking care of too many people you know yeah and then there's situations where it's just lack of knowledge you know just going out there just buying these expensive cars but that's that's overspending, kind of lack of knowledge is kind of overspending as well. But majority of the time is just overspending. That's for sure. Finance program. I think you should put a finance program in for all these NFL players coming up. I mean, there's some guys, man, that they just, I don't know, you're a rookie. You're not

making that much. And you're just going out and you're buying all the expensive cars and everything, the $200,000 cars. Yes, you can afford it at that time. But you got to look at the long run. Did you ever, when you look back at your years, did you ever make a dumb purchase like that? or were you pretty good with that? No, no. I was pretty good with it. I mean, I made some crazy purchases now, but I mean, I'm in that financial, you know, spot where I can do that now. Yeah, I've gotten to that spot, which I've always tried to work my way up to, okay, where I'm comfortable, where I can just do that now. But back in the day, no, man, it was like the used escalate I bought. I think it was 32,000. I bought this brand, not a brand new. It was kind of

like a brand new, but it was a used escalate. I think I had 30,000 miles on it. I was like, I don't need the new one yet, you know? And I always, when I was set to, I was like, I'm going to make sure that my NFL money can take care of me for the rest of my life because everyone's always like, oh, you got a short NFL career. It's only three years. I listen to that. And also with my back, there was some prospects, you know, suspect on my back. Sure. People like, oh, he doesn't have that many years left in him. Like, he may only play like two, three years. And I kind of listened to that as well. And I was like, you know, my rookie contract, I want to be able to live off that rest of my life. And it was like a four million

dollar deal total for four years, like a million dollars on average a year. And I was like, wow. I can live on that 1,000 percent. Like, I bring in $2 million after taxes, you know, within the next four years. I can live, I can buy this nice little condo or rent it for $3,000 a month or $2,000 with it. Like, I'm good. Like, I'm good. That's what I was saying.

That's the buffalo way right. I mean, we just, that's how we were taught. Like, do much where you can. We only have about 15 minutes left. Want to make sure we get everything with Rob. We're going to talk to a little post-retirement. man. Last time I saw you a white party. I was like, all right, Rob, now what do you do? And you were just like, dude, I spent my entire life doing everything. I just want to do whatever I want. So when you look into your future, like, what are the next things? What does Rob G want to do? Not you have to work out every day and you have to be perfect and you have to get the Super Bowl. Like, what do you want to do? Yeah, well, I love working out. But it's like, it's not every day. It's when you want. It's when I want, which is the greatest thing of all time. It's not like, okay, the game starts. It's 6 p.m. And I'm like, holy shit, I got to be ready at 6 p.m. It's like if I wake up that Sunday and I

if I feel sore, sluggish and I'm in my body's calling not for a workout, it's like, wow, I don't have to work out. Like it was the worst when you had to work out when your body was telling you like, yo, like you need the rest. That was always a little bit of a struggle for sure. But I love to just like all of a sudden, I'm just chilling. I'm like, I'm like, I'm not working out today. And then like five o'clock comes and like something just triggers me. And it's like, yo, you're ready for a workout. I'm like, great. Let's go work out. I'm just doing myself. Yeah, Yeah, let's just go. Let's go do a workout. Let's go run the mountain. Let's go for a five mile walk, whatever it is. And you don't got to worry about what time it is. You wake up at 4 a.m.

You some reason, you're juice. It's like, wow, I can go work out now because I don't have a practice or game later. So I can use all that juice right now. I'm wide awake. So that's my favorite thing about the freedom. The freedom of whenever to work out. And then also, I love to stay busy. I don't like to stay too busy. Yeah. But I like to get it in. I love to get it in. Like this week at the Super Bowl, man, how many things I have. have over the next five days. Got the Gronk Beach, we got the Fandul kick. You got Fox News stuff.

I got to be on the pregame show. It's a five-hour pregame show for Fox. And then in the third quarter, I'm kicking a field goal. If I make it, we're giving, the Fanduil is giving away $10 million and free bets to everyone that, you know, places a bet on the Super Bowl through their app. So am I going to make it? I mean, it's for America. I have to make it.

This is going to be great because I'm sitting here all cocky. This is coming out the Monday, the day after. So I'm going to make it. I'm going to make it. I have a good chance. I have a good chance. Because there's a chance I miss it. I mean, I'm at, like, 70% right now.

All right. Yeah, but I love to just, you know, stay busy. Fandle keeps me busy. I go on a podcast, K Adams podcast. Yes, what's the name of it? Kay Adams, up in Adams. Okay, check that out, guys. She's sponsored by Fandall.

She's a great host, by the way. And then also I did the gig for Fox this year. I have one more year left in my contract. And it's like a partial gig where I had to go on eight times a year. And then my next year is another eight times. So we'll see how, you know, how they like me. I feel like it's going very well. but I got the Super Bowl gig now for it to analyze the game before the game.

I did the playoff game last week. You crushed that playoff game, though. Was it tough reading off a teleprompter because you're the best. You're not reading off a teleprompter. Oh, when you're doing those things? It's non-teleprompter. All of it's non-teleprompter. If that's the easiest thing,

you know, write me some notes about the game. I'm going to read off teleprompact. I'll sit through all day and do it. That would be the best thing in history. But no, all your thoughts is all in all your opinions are off the cuff. I mean, you get asked the questions beforehand and stuff, but you've got to come up with something. And then it's no teleprompter.

You've got to be able to say it and deliver it on the spot. Would you ever want to do that full time being like a full? That's why I like this contract right now. I got eight of them this year and I got eight more next year. And actually, I love doing it. It is fun. That's pretty cool. All right.

Do you think you'd have a coach? No, no, not really. I would say coaching like when I have kids one day, like Little League and stuff or like my brother's kids and stuff, maybe get involved there one day. But I'm not like the NFL coaches, man. That's like a, that's too big of a grind. That's too much. The college is too much of a grind.

They work so hard. Yeah. Yeah, I like my freedom more. Okay. You can use the safe word here. I'll give it to you. But when you look at like an NFL deal or a deal with Fox, which pays more full time. Oh my gosh.

I mean, it depends on what you're talking. I mean, but overall, I would say the deal with Fox for sure. Really? Yeah, I would say just being with Fox. I mean, if you're- Are you millions of dollars? I mean, it's probably a better deal. If to be just on Fox, that's probably a better deal than being a player in the NFL.

Damn. All right. We got a transition over to Fox. In some situation, that's TV money, bro. Dude, TV money. Yeah, that's TV money. So, yeah, we'll see if I signed the big deal or not eventually. Well, you signed the big deal.

You come back here, you tell us about it. Than NFL money. It's even bigger. It is even bigger. So there's the future. Maybe Rob will be it. Maybe. We'll see what happens. We got one game left.

We'll get your trading secret and we'll let you get on your 8,000 things you got going on. All right. So this game, this is called the Snap, Dragon crunch time. You're going to have 87 seconds because that was your number. The answer as many possible questions as you can. So it's rapid fire. I like these games.

I like these games. It's called Snap Dragon Crunch because I need snappy answers, but they have to have the answers of the fire of a dragon. And then these are also Snap Dragon apples. Check it out. They're farmers from Buffalo. They're social media partners. So we got Snap Dragon drilled down here. Snap Dragon crunch. I'm getting the timer ready. 87 seconds. We're not doing 69. We can't overuse it. Yeah, you're right. All right. Here we go. 87 seconds. Are you ready? But let me know when there's 69 seconds left. 69 seconds, I'll let you know. Here we go.

87 seconds. Let's go. What was your AOL AIMSger screen name in high school? Chick Magnet for life. I thought it was chick magnet 69. What is the dumbest thing you've ever purchased? Oh, bottle service. Bottle service? How much? A bottle service. Ten grand. 10 grand. What's the most expensive thing that you've ever bought in your entire life?

Oh, a house. A house? Two million, three million, five million, ten million. How much? Like two million. Okay. What is the toughest guy you've ever lined up against in your career? So, Terrell Suggs. Okay. Ooh, dancing with the stars, bachelor or survivor, you have to go on one of them. Which one would you go on? Dancing with the stars and improve my footwork. Yeah. Okay. I like that. What's one career you've always wanted to try, but you probably never will have the time in your life. life to do it. Like singing, like slash rapping. Oh, you are a good freestyle rapper. It's tough to go with it. Okay. What do you think when you look at like your investments, real estate and yourself,

health, what do you think the best investment you ever made? Oh, in yourself. Your health. Your health and yourself. Your health and yourself, that's the best investment. If you didn't, if you didn't go professional and football, what sport would you have gone pro at? We have just hit the 69 second mark. Oh, man. What sport? Basketball. Basketball. second favorite. I don't know if you called WWE Pro. I think you definitely would have been a hell of it. You could have been home code in 2.0. WWE. All right. Celebrate growing up. Who was it? Pamela Anderson. Okay, Bill, you and Tom are at a bar. You each have to order one drink. What type of drink are each of them ordering? Tom's and Bill are a beer. I'm like a fireball shot.

Okay. There you go. Boom. That was a ton you got in. That was good rapid fire right there. That was a snap dragon drill down. Well done. All right. Trading secret. Something that no one can learn in a textbook. They can't learn in a classroom. They can only only learn from Robbie G through your crazy experience of financial savings, career development, playing for Tom, all of this stuff. Like, what would you say is your biggest trading secret to life, money, your career? What can you end with? Just stay in your means, you know, stay in your path.

I mean, there's so many people, you know, they just make a quick buck and then they go out and just spend it all, like, real quick. Like, go buy a $200,000 car. It just doesn't make sense. Like, just stay in your lane and stay in your means. It's very basic and common sense. Yeah, it's a good one, but common sense goes on notice. And I also think for anyone taking it at home is like, let people think what they want to think

and what you internalize and what you got to do up here, do up here and exceed their expectations and watch what happens, right? Yeah, exactly. Exceed expectations, not in what you have, but in what you can do. I love that. Yeah. I like that. Wow.

Rob G. Just being profound, Rob, for anyone that lives under a rock and doesn't know where to find you. Patrick from Spongebob lives under a rock. You're fair. All the Patrick's out there that live under a rock from SpongeBob, they don't know where to find Rob G. Where do they find you? Your social media, all your stuff. They want more of Rob G., where do they find all your stuff? Oh, my Instagram is at Gronk. My Twitter, I think, is at Rob Grancowski. I have a TikTok. I don't even know what my name is on that.

There's just so many social media. I think that one's at Gronk as well. And then also You can find me kicking field goals during the third quarter of a live Super Bowl commercial this year. There you go. It's already happened, but the Fan Duel, Super Kick, Kick of Destiny. If you guys didn't see it yesterday, go check it out. You could YouTube it. There's a Super Bowl TV commercial. See if Rob made it.

And if he did, go check out Fan Duel, and you can get your, you can download the app there through all your stuff that you're doing. So, Rob, thank you so much for being on Shrek Secrets, brother. You killed it. It was a pleasure, man. Thank you for having me. It is an honor to have you. I love trading secrets. But we didn't trade them all yet because then there wouldn't be a secret.

So we traded the secrets we wanted to trade. There's more to come, especially the stuff we talked about before the show. Yes, 100%. Thanks for coming on, Rob. Thank you for having me, ma'am. Ding, ding, ding. We are closing in the bell to the one-the-only, the Mr. Robbie James Gronk episode. It was so good to see him.

So good to connect with the one and only, Rob G. Great, great branding advice. The guy's obviously been extremely savvy financially too, and I just enjoyed catching up with them. Curious Canadian is here with me for the recap. Before you guys even listen and remember, please give us five-star reviews on Apple. Put your Instagram handle and tell us what you think

and let us know what feedback or guests you want us to have on. We are listening. We are watching. David Ardoin, the Curious Canadian. What do you got for me? Robbie G was great. Just so unique to see you in kind of your element with a childhood friend.

Buffalo boy. I don't think our listeners or me have ever really seen you in that kind of giddy kind of tone and vibe for the interview. I thought it was great. It's just so Jason Tardick of you to have all your buddies, Rob G, everyone. You could probably get into any event that you wanted over there.

The guy is using his credit card to get into special events when he could probably just name drop 10 people that are there. Yes, I know you have the Airbnb. I know we have a lot of our buddies out there. I am, like I said, the FOMO is real. So I appreciate you. keeping me in the loop while you're there

and in the sunny weather when I'm stuck in Rochester, New York. We miss you, brother. We miss you. But tell me, like, what did you think about the episode? What are you curious about? It was a longer episode. So, of course, we got to keep the recap a little shorter, but I need the David Ardoin curiosities.

Yeah, I got a couple things for you. Number one, I just got to say this because I have to say it. I never thought I would be listening to a podcast with you and Rob Gunkowski and him munching on a crisp Snapple, Apple, Dragon, Apple in the background, talking about hockey and the old hockey stories.

Brought a smile to my face. But I got to touch into this Fanduel thing. You know, $10 million to every Fanduel user who makes a bet on the Super Bowl. If Rob G makes a field gold of, what is it, 35 yards? Or 25 yards? 25 yards. 25 yards.

What do you know about that deal? I mean, break it down for us. Because I just looked it up. There's 6 million users on Fanduel right now. $10 million, give away. if he makes it. How much is he making? Do any of those details, any predictions? Give me the Jason Tardic take on that, on that whole promotion and deal for Robbie G. So we actually talked about it a little bit after. So this is what's crazy. It's one of the largest deals he's ever done. So he's getting paid

a ton, a ton of money to do it. And Fanduel is putting, you know, tens of millions of dollars behind the campaign, the work, the marketing. I mean, Rob's face is blasted everywhere, plastered everywhere saying like the Gronk Challenge. Like, they're putting tens of millions of dollars behind marketing. And what he's getting paid, I'm going to say is a significant, significant around. Like millions and millions is my guest. It's a guess. I don't know. One of the cool things he did tell me, though, is his dad negotiated the deal for him. So he has, like, his dad's the one that's running point as far as like an agent goes. But it's funny because when he told me, it's like he's getting paid all this money. It's one of the best deals. I'm like, between that and

the Fox deal, him talking about like him, you know, that's where the TV money's where it's at. I'm thinking to myself, like, there's a chance. Rob might be making more money now. he was as an NFL player. I think 100%. I mean, if you're saying he possibly could be a million or in the millions of this, we're seeing TV contracts with the Tom Brady's of the world getting into $37 million a year. You know, he's only on a part-timer, but I think eight spots for him. He's got to be making in the millions there.

I mean, the guy's on everything. He's on AARP. He's on insurance. He's on, you know, DoorDash, Uber. He's on all these things. The guy's absolutely crushing it. And just like he said, like, you know, his one of the, of his strategies is like under like under under what is it perform over deliver that's it

exactly under perform over deliver and it's worked for him right 100% now I'm curious on your end would you would you ever go into business with gronk uh if so what would you do and have you ever talk to him about this I while you're thinking about this I just can't imagine what it's like having your childhood high school like jock buddy or you're playing sports with And not only is he gone on to have a Hall of Fame NFL career, but you've gone on to kind of have your own celebrity status, like talk about two kids from Buffalo, seeing the world in different light.

But I'm curious, like, has there been any side conversations between you and Gronk on going into business together? There hasn't been. But after hearing about this Fandual deal, I'm like, man, I got to source him a multimillion dollar deal. That would be nice, right? But no, there hasn't been. But it's something to think about, right?

Like, it's obviously he's business hungry. He's business savvy. super smart and I think he's the kind of guy that's all years like you heard him no freebies but if it makes sense I'll talk business is business but I think at the end of the day if a good deal comes Rob's way he's down for it and have those conversations would be great and I think about like him and Camille like what a power brand those two have I mean Camille is killing it in her own right she's crushing it would love to have her on the pod Rob's doing really well those two together could come up with something massive like an outrageous outrageous private label brand but they already have that

like gronk fitness and other things so i don't know it's something to think about we'll have to come up with something david i definitely see those two being like the perfect like you want to talk about money and tv like those two would be an amazing reality tv camille and gronk you know i know some people don't really like letting that kind of he said privacy is something that he loves so but i just like i would tune into that 100 you know what's cool about their dynamic is she has a big female following he's got a big male following totally different and i think like it's such a I was talking to another agent actually about Rob. Like he's such an outlier in the fact that a lot of people in the sports world,

they're either like super brandable and have like social media following or they're brandable, but they're not skilled or they're like an outlier on the field or they're an outlier on the field and they just don't have the brandability and the big social following. The fact that he is like the top in all of it, like the top announcer, like the top social media guy, the top player. He's like, it's such an outlying full package that it just, such an empire in himself. And that's so unlike anybody in athletics. He probably just makes so many people who try, like try their hardest to be like gronk and can't. Like this guy

talking about his pre-draft story, like sleeping on the floor and Bill Belichick, like walks in on him, sleeping on the floor because he's so hung over. The guy has a cruise called the gronk cruise. We just parties for three days and make, in the middle of his NFL career. Like, there's only one gronk. Like you can say that about a lot of people. There's only one gronk. And one thing that I never thought I would do is ask you a financial recap, curious Canadian question on a finance thing from Gronk's mouth. So if there's anyone that listened to that episode and said, wow, if Gronk can invest in a municipal bond, maybe I can too. So just as a little breakdown here, can you give the people at home? What is a simple definition of a municipal bond?

And is there an example of how you would go invest in one? Can you just go on a trading app or is that something that you need to go to financial advisor? What is a municipal bond for the people at home who want to invest like gronk? Okay. So I want, you know, I always have funds with this. I always have fun with this. I want you to take a stab. What do you think municipal bonds are? Well, I'm going to, I actually don't know. So I'm going to take a stab at it. He said something like low risk, task free, a municipal bond. I have no clue. I couldn't I couldn't even make a guess. Like something in between like a high interest savings account to something that's like just over time guaranteed to make money, super, super low risk.

But if you're asking me to guess like a company or like a fund, like I have no clue. Like I don't know. Is like the Dow? Okay. So, all right. So municipal, right? So that's what you think about your municipal. That's like, think about like state or local governments, right? That's like, so you're thinking like in general, you're thinking like government. So then they're what they're called is like muni bonds. So we'll break it down. Yes. bonds, right? Essentially what they're doing is the state or the government or the local areas are raising capital. How they raise capital is you buy a bond. So David would put $10,000 into a muni bond. Now that bond goes to the state or local governments. In return for that, they will

give you interest income. So the United States gives you interest income or the state of New York gives you interest income on that $10,000. Like he said, like I might be getting 3%. It's a lower interest rate. Now it's going up now because obviously interest rates are going up, but it's very, very low risk because when you borrow money to the government, it's likely they're going to pay you back and they're going to pay you a low interest rate because it's low risk. Then what the deal is, not always, but certain holders based on the muni bond, there will be an exemption. It's the exemption from federal and state income tax on the profitability, right? So, They all work a little bit different, but that's what he was referring to when he was saying tax-free

and muni bonds are how they raise capital and then you get a return. It's like you're giving a loan to the government and you're getting paid for it. And then you're getting tax benefits for doing so. No podcast like trading secrets out there when you come and get a few last from Robbie G and also learn what a muny bond ends with Jason and David in the recap. Good to know. I learned something from Mr. G. That was great. I love it. Mr. G, informational. David, I know this was the longer episode and our money mafia out there. You guys are the best for listening to everything. But do you have any last minute thoughts before we wrap up? I don't. I don't. I'm curious when this comes out on Monday, who we're talking about on the side, who wins a

Super Bowl and hearing all about all of your details and the money behind your trip and the laughs that you've had with the boys. I'm so incredibly jealous. And I wish you guys all the best. And I wish I was there. Next recap, because I'm recording this before the Super Bowl, we will break all of that down. I will get into the details. behind the things I go to and some of behind the scenes of the business and economics behind it. Before I do, David, the Super Bowl is over when people are listening to this, but the Super Bowl hasn't happened when we're recording this. You give me a prediction and give me a prediction right now. I'm going to predict that the Eagles are going to win. I think it's going to be 27 to 20 is my

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