Trading Secrets - Bachelor Nation’s newest couple Justin Glaze & Susie Evans dive into how they met, their professional worlds turning personal, the $$$ behind their careers before and after reality TV, and their future plans!

Episode Date: January 25, 2024

For the first time EVER in Trading Secrets history we are releasing a 2nd Episode in the same week! That is because we have an exclusive episode as Jason is joined by two of Bachelor Nation’s fan favorite personalities and newest couple, Justin Glaze and Susie Evans! Justin rose to popularity during his time on Katie Thurston’s season of The Bachelorette, where he finished runner up before going on season 8 of Bachelor in Paradise that next year. In Susie’s case, she gained recognition on Clayton’s season on The Bachelor where she walked away as the winner but eventually ended things with Clayton after the show aired. However, this was not Susie’s first time in the spotlight, having previously been recognized as Miss Virginia USA in 2020 and Miss Virginia Teen USA in 2011. Not only do these two have similar Bachelor Nation paths, they also have a love of the arts, which has played a huge role in their careers. Justin, an accomplished painter, and Susie, an accomplished photographer and videographer, each of them have the ability to utilize their platform to create opportunities within the worlds that they are currently working in. Justin and Susie give insight to how they first met and the early days of getting to know each other, what they did for work prior to joining Bachelor Nation, how long the Bachelor was reaching out to Susie to be casted, how their lives changed professionally after being on the show, how Justin has always felt called to work in corporate, why Susie doesn’t think you need to get into debt to make your dreams come true, and what other shows Susie considered going on. Susie and Justin also reveal how the made the move from friendship to relationship, the move to LA, how much goes into content creation, where Susie sees her future within the photography and videography industry, how they enjoy making content together, their different organizational styles, and how they talk about money.Who did they almost end up rooming with in LA? What platform was challenged for Justin while working in finance? When did Susie take her first brand deal? What are their financial green and redflags? Justin and Susie reveal all that and so much more in another episode you can’t afford to miss!  Host: Jason Tartick Co-Host: David Arduin Audio: Declan O’Connell Guest: Justin Glaze & Susie Evans Stay connected with the Trading Secrets Podcast!  Instagram: @tradingsecretspodcast  Youtube: Trading Secrets Facebook: Join the Group All Access: Free 30-Day Trial Abilitie has published The 12-Week MBA, a mini MBA curriculum for aspiring and rising business leaders. Buy the book and enroll in the 12-week program using code TRADINGSECRETS for $200 off your tuition.  https://www.abilitie.com/12weekmba Try Stitch Fix today at https://stitchfix.com/TRADINGSECRETS and you’ll get 25% off when you keep everything in your Fix. Right now get an extended thirty-day free trial from Monarch Money when you go to https://monarchmoney.com/secrets

Welcome back to another episode of Trading Secrets. I'm your host, Jason Tartick, and welcome to the pre-market trading segment. Now, you might be saying, Jason, this audio sounds a little shot. Well, guess what? That's because for the first time ever, ever in Trading Secrets history, I am doing the intro from a hotel. in Washington, D.C., literally using the audio app from my iPhone. Why am I doing that? Because we are getting an episode out for the first time ever early and not on Monday.

We've never had an episode come out a day other than Monday. This is the first time ever. Why are we doing it? Wednesday night, Justin and Susie from the Bachelor franchise announced that they are dating. There's so much speculation about these two because their professional worlds were intersecting with work they were doing. They're always with one another at events.

And the question was, are they dating? Well, they have now come out and said they officially are dating. And on this episode, you are going to hear all about how they met, were their DMs, where they're not? Was it professional work? Was it love at first sight? You're going to learn about their professional careers

before the show, during the show, after the show. what they made, what they charged for their professions. Justin was a corporate guy, worked his way out of corporate. You'll hear why and how. Susie was bartending as she was literally watching herself on the screen of The Bachelor. There's so many things that you're going to learn about these two. What I'm most impressed about is their honesty, their vulnerability, their creativity, just passion for life.

I just love how grounded these two are. They seem like they were perfect together. And now that they are together, it's clear they are just two really interesting puzzle pieces that clearly had to find a special puzzle piece to connect with. And their pieces come together perfectly. And you're going to hear all about that in this episode from a professional standpoint, from a financial standpoint, and of course from a personal standpoint. So this is an episode. I'm really excited for you guys to listen to. Now, there isn't a recap here because typically behind the scenes, trading secrets, we record the main episode. I do the intro Sunday before we release it. And then David and I usually record the recap right after. Now, we're getting this one out. So there is no recap. However, maybe there's something here. We're talking about releasing more episodes. We're talking about maybe doing a new episode that's more focused on life, love, and money, as opposed to

just trading secrets money. Now, we'll always do our main trading secrets episode, but maybe the second episode will incorporate the recap and some updates in other areas of our life. So more to come. But for right now, you got Justin and Susie. This episode is going to be electric. A little update from the market. What you got to know is the market is on fire right now. The S&P 500 is closing at record highs. And the big tech company stocks are back in action. The big seven ones that you should know about, Navidia, Meta, Microsoft, Alphabet, which of course is Google, Amazon.com, Apple, and Tesla.

And all of them are up big other than Tesla. But right now, if you are not making money on your money and you're not having market exposure, the value of your money is getting crushed. We're seeing a lot happen. Of course, this is an election year. Interest rates are coming down a little bit. There's going to be ripple impact into housing.

and we're seeing right now the market, it's on fire. The takeaway I want you to think about is if you do have cash and you don't have bad debt, we know bad debt, credit card debt, high interest rate debt, and you have the ability to get some market exposure, start thinking about getting market exposure. The easiest way to do it is to get into an ETF that follows one of the big indexes like the S&P 500. VOO is a great example of one ticker at Vanguard that you can get in. to do just that. And most importantly, if you don't know how to do it, go pre-order my book, talk money to me on Amazon right now because I provide a step-by-step process of how to understand

investing and start investing. A little update for my personal life. I'm here right now in Washington, D.C. I'm doing some work with Smoothie King. I'm doing the grand opening of one of the locations at Georgetown. Now, behind the scenes, trading secrets, like how these are structured is you will get paid a fee to do it's the appearance here it'll be a photo shoot then they'll be able to use the nil of the photo shoot to put in any area that they want to put in and then also it's a structured deal where i'll be doing some work on my ticot and training secret so it just gives you a little idea of like how things are structured you come in i got to be at i got to do the photo shoot one hour appearance there and then some social work and it's all packaged together and then we

negotiate with the agency, the price point, and the rate that makes sense for that work. So that's where I am right now. And next week's going to be a wild one. I'm in Pebble Beach with the IHeart crew. Wells Adams will be there, Ben Higgins, Chris Harrison will be there, Bob Guinea and many others, flying to Tampa Bay because the VP of our agency is getting married. From Tampa Bay, I am going to Beaver Creek, Colorado to have some fun skiing with some friends, come back, and then we are doing a huge event with the agency at Super Bowl. So a lot going on, super exciting. You got to love it.

I feel just very grateful lately. I just feel like everything is really coming together in my life the way I'm starting to envision it. I have acceptance with what I was grieving, and I'm so excited for what's to come. So we're buzzing over here. But without further ado, the first time ever that we are having a show, come out before Monday because of Justin and Susie's huge announcement and our excitement for them. Let's ring in the bell with Justin and Susie. Welcome back to another episode of Trading Secrets. Today we are joined by two of Bachelor Nations, fan favorite personalities and

newest couple, Justin Glaze and Susie Evans. Justin rose to popularity during his time on Katie Thurston's season of The Bachelorette, where he finished his runner up before. for going on season 8 of Bachelor in Paradise that next year. In Susie's case, she gained recognition on Clayton's season of The Bachelor, where she walked away as the winner. I love how we write winner. First place, you got the gold medal. But eventually ended things with Clayton after the show aired.

However, this was not Susie's first time in the spotlight, having been previously recognized as Miss Virginia USA in 2020 and Miss Virginia Teen USA in 2011. Not only do these two have similar Bachelor nation, Pass, they both also have a love for arts, which has played a huge part of their careers. Justin, an accomplished painter, and Susie, an accomplished photographer and videographer. Each of them have the ability to utilize their platform to create opportunities to share their passion for the arts within the worlds that they currently are working in.

Today, we are going to talk all things, a new relationship. So, especially with my new book coming out, Talk Money to Me, Love and Money is a big topic. What their lives as creators and artists are like. And maybe, you know, we talk a little bit more about what's next for these two. Justin and Susie, thank you so much for being on sharing secrets. Thanks for having us. Appreciate it. Thank you.

Congratulations. Thank you. That love is in the air. That is a beautiful thing. Wait, we're going to get into all the stuff, like your careers and stuff before the show. But I got to ask, where did you guys actually meet? Like, what was the first meeting you guys had? Funny you should ask.

I was hired as a videographer. Okay. Justin hired me. Yes. So this comes back to business. Yes. It was an immediate HR issue. So, yeah.

Yeah. So I was doing, I was in Baltimore at the time. Susie was still in Virginia and I was doing an ad for Target. And we have one of the same agents. So I was talking to one of my agents. And I was like, hey, I really need a videographer for this. Like, what do I do? And she was like, oh, well, you know, Susie, you know, she's so sweet.

She's a videographer. And I was like, oh, I've seen her work. She's super talented. I was like, I've never spoken to her. We follow each other. But like, I don't want to sign her DMs and ask her if she can help me, like, record this. She was like, no, trust me. She's so nice. Just do it. I was like, okay. So I spent way too long drafting up this message. I'm like, oh my God. So I finally send it. And then she came back

and as advertised was so nice. I was like, oh my God, like I'll come to you. I'm like, no, I will drive to Virginia or D.C. whatever makes sense. And she's like, no, like, don't worry about it. Like, I have to be in D.C. anyway. So long story, short, we met. I was like, well, if you're coming to Baltimore, let me at least get you a hotel or something. It's like, you don't have to drive back. So we met in Baltimore at Target. that is incredible you hire your girlfriend yeah exactly it's absolutely never I've never thought about it in those comments I know I'm like totally messy but let me ask you this between us is a single guy should know it when you like reached out was there maybe like to well yeah I was I mean I would not

have put that much thought into the initial message if I was just like whatever she'll say yes I'm like part of me wants to meet her on a personal note as well and it's an added bonus you know to work together but I definitely like was crushing a little bit so I put some some extra thought into that message interesting that's just very on brand for you to put so much thought behind a message because even hearing that I'm like oh I've never I never knew that you thought that much but I know you now and I know how you are and I'm like I probably read the message and was like yeah sure I'm so excited yeah literally I'm like can I so you weren't thinking about growing my portfolio Yeah, I'm just going to move into commercials.

That's the entrepreneur we want on this podcast. I got at least ask this after it. Like, I know you guys were friend zoned for a while working through that, but like, was there like a little bit of spark for both of you two after the end of this business transition? Yeah, I think, well, I think we had different experiences because I definitely thought Justin was cute, like when I saw him on the show. And it's so funny, all my friends, like, wanted me to date you. In the long run, like even when we watched Paradise Back, they're like, oh, my God, but Justin or

whatever, you know what I mean? And so, like, I feel like my friends knew they liked your vibe. And I wasn't as into the show as they were. But I think after that, I definitely, I mean, I thought he was cute going into it. And then afterwards, I was like, okay, like the vibes were good. We talked in the phone a few times and stuff like that. But we were actually contemplating doing like a short-term lease in L.A. with me, Justin, and Andrew. And we even said we were just like, like we just got to like be professional and we were just we were just very professional in that whole situation we ended up not rooming together and then we just became friends we all moved to L.A. around the same time and became friends. It's funny. We actually kind of manifested at

the end of the night. We after we filmed my ad and then we filmed a segment for Susie's YouTube channel and then we had dinner and I dropped her back off at the hotel and when we were in my car we were just like you know what like we're both so creative. We were talking about what we want like what our next steps we're going to be in life and we both had this you know know what we're going to make it happen we're both going to move to L.A. and we're going to do this and then it's just like crazy we look back we're like we really talked about this in my car the first night we met like we're going to move to L.A. and do it and that's exactly what we did so it's crazy. That is amazing. I think about like I always thought coming into The Bachelor. I looked at life like silos

like my personal life, financial life, professional life, social life and we cannot intertwine. For some reason, of all things, it was The Bachelor that made me realize those walls, fucking joke. Like, all those things are the foundation of our life. It's pretty interesting how, like, professional pursuits tie into personal success and look where you guys are today. I mean, it's unbelievable. So, congratulations to you guys. Thank you for sharing that. Let's get back to business a little bit. So, Justin, your approach to be on Katie Thurston's season. At the time you're approached, what were you doing career-wise? I was working in finance, actually. So I was working in institutional investment sales. And yeah, the whole painting thing has always just kind of

been a hobby. And then I'd say probably around college or so is when I started monetizing off of it and, you know, would be commissioned for projects. But yeah, before I was going on KDCs and I was working in finance. Was that a TRO price? Yeah. Okay. So you're working there. You get up the opportunity to go on ABC, the Bachelor. What do they say to you when you say you're going to leave for a reality show? So about halfway through the interview process, when it started getting pretty serious, You know, you do the drug tests and the psychological, all that stuff, right? They were like, you should start talking to your employer. And I was like, hey, guys, just a heads up.

I don't think this is going to fly with them. Like, I, you know, no way I can take two months potentially off of work. You know, I had a whole territory I was covering. I was like, there's no way. So I was already kind of preparing for the worst in my head. But they were like, just ask anyway. I was like, okay, I go to my boss. And to my surprise, he was like, dude, that's sick.

You have to. I was like, what? He was like, no, I'll talk to my boss, my boss's boss. So they went all the way up the chain of command, HR, risk, compliance. Everyone was on board, like, do it. We'll, you know, we'll cover the time off. You've got our support. And I was like, okay, is there anything I can get in writing that stipulates, you know,

grounds for like, you know, whatever. And they were like, you know, this is new to us. We've never had anybody from the firm going TV. But, you know, it's kind of at sure risk. And I was like, I trust myself not to make a full out of myself for doing anything crazy. So long story short, they all signed off and were in full support of it. things look differently post-show, but we can get into that. Let's just quickly touch-shot.

I thought you get off the show. The show airs. You go back to work? Oh, yeah. Okay. And then it's because I remember this being on The Bachelorette. It's a pretty quick turnaround time. Like, I remember it was three weeks after I got off.

They asked me to go on Paradise. Same situation I'm working for a bank. And they had said, you can go on The Bachelorette. When I asked him about Paradise, they're like, you'll be fired if you go. Did you get put in a predicament like that when you tried to go right back on reality TV? So mine was a little bit different I didn't want to go in Paradise right after One because it was like two three weeks

Turn around my KD season hadn't even aired before We were going to film Paradise So I was like dude I'm exhausted from this experience I was like I just don't have it in me to reintroduce myself To these women I don't have the energy to I will be a shell of myself And I was like I want to go back to work Just get back to some sense of normalcy

But you know as persistent as those producers are they're like Ask ask ask and I'm like okay So I went to my boss and he was like I get it he was like I get it he was like, I'm cool with it, but let me ask, you know, the head of our department. And she basically came back and was like, we can't slash won't tell you no. But like, you know, and I was like, let me read between these lines. So ultimately I was like, well, I don't even want to do this anyway.

So this is just the added, you know, nudge to not do it. So I was like, no, I'm not doing it. And then after that conversation, my boss was like, yeah, she was kind of testing to see what you would do and, you know, where your priorities were at this time. So I was like, cool. So you passed on it. Okay, but then you went back? I did. Okay.

And when you went back, were you still working for T-Roe? No. Okay. All right. At what point did you leave T-Roe? Oh, man. So that was probably February of 22. Okay.

2022. If you're comfortable, can you give people an idea, a job like that T-Roe around how much can you make? Oh, sure. Like doing what I was doing, you can make anywhere between, I'd say, one, 30 to 400 just depends on the success depending on yeah okay and people listening back home would you recommend that career track i guess i would you got a you got to hustle and there's a lot to it you not only have to have the obviously the investment acumen but you also have to just have a motor and you're on the road a lot potentially and it's just like you know when we have events it's like

you kind of got to put on the fake smile sometimes and just like you know like you know kiss babies and whatever the saying goes but it's a lot of that as well so So it's like half business finance, having meetings with advisors, but also a lot of business entertainment. So being in rooms where you're networking and giving presentations, and it can be very draining. So it can be a taxing job, but it can be very lucrative as well.

I love it. We're going to come back to your career track. We're paused now. You go to Bachelorette. You get off. You pass on Paradise. When you pass on Paradise, did they offer you any certain amount of money that made you, like,

potentially think about it or no? There's like a million people talk about Paradise. Yeah. $400 per day, a guarantee of like 25k like yeah it's just like the basic off there was really no amount of money well I mean there's definitely an amount of money that could have made but but for what they offer you know like you said they either will do a guarantee like a daily rate and we can up your daily read or they'll do a set amount whatever with the range that they were going to give me I was like this I'm not

yeah yeah I'm good okay got so you're on Katie Thurston C's now Clayton was on Katie's correct no Clayton was on Michelle's yeah that's right so then Clayton goes on Michelle's season. That's right. That was the adjustment period where they had the back to back. Clayton becomes the bachelor. You go on Clayton season. What were you doing professionally before? For the two years prior, I was in pharmaceutical marketing as a program manager. And then the year I went on the bachelor, I quit my job officially to do videography full-time, which meant also waitressing at two restaurants. Got it because it's a tough, that's like a tough ride, right? Yeah. So videography full-time, for anyone

back home like what exactly does that mean at this time at that time it was weddings it was actually family portraits it was engagement sessions it was like photography videography just kind of like building a portfolio i started in 2019 doing photography videography and weddings but i wasn't making a living or any really any kind of like substantial income doing that so in 2020 i was like okay i'm going to take the leap and leave this marketing agency which was the worst year to take a leap of faith and start a business where you have to be around people. Outside. Yeah. So I went right back to the marketing agency and I left on great terms. I've always like maintained positive relationships with them because I literally left the week

COVID was announced like a pandemic. Oh my God. It's awful timing. It was awful. I mean, it felt like such a failure at the time. Obviously there's not much you can do. It was COVID. But I just felt dumb. I was like, well, that was, you know, very anticlimatic. Yeah. Then so I worked in marketing until I left again in 2021. And I thought I would be okay to be honest. I was like, okay, I think I can like make this work. I had roommates. I was living in Virginia Beach. But I remember being at a point where I was like, I actually don't know that I'm going to be able to pay my bills. And I was 27. And I say this with like so much respect for anyone from any walk of life, no matter what job you do. But at 27, like leaving my marketing job

and walking into like a local bar and being like, I need a job. It was very humbling. After having like a great career at Disney for over two years and then pharmaceutical marketing for two and a half years. Like, I felt like I was like on a good avenue. And then it's like, oh, wow, I'm like needing a second waitress job to make ends meet. So I was very much like figuring things out and kind of struggling to be honest to make ends meet as a videographer, photographer. Well, I also think about your trajectory, right? Miss Virginia Teen USA 2011. Miss Virginia 2019 second runner up. Miss Virginia winner. Then, like you said, you already alluded to, if you're performing in Tokyo at a Disney land restaurant, like you have this foundation to do these like massive things in entertainment, at this point

when you're stepping into a bar at 27 to get, like, is, are you met with like, I failed? Like, are you feeling that at all? Absolutely. I felt like that. I mean, I remember being like, it felt, it definitely felt like, I don't know how to describe it. It's not embarrassing. I don't think I've ever been embarrassed of any walk of life because I've always had this mentality of like I always joke and say this but I'm like oh it'll be in my book someday I've

always said that from the time I was like 17 18 years old when something really hard happened if I failed really hard really publicly if just something horrible happened to me I would even if I was in tears I would like be like it's gonna be my book like it's a part of the story and I would always I always had that mentality but it didn't take away the pain or like that kind of embarrassment in that moment where I'm like damn I'm already working at the Hilton down the road in that restaurant. I'm trying to make videography photography work. I have roommates. I have accomplished all these things. And I'm going into another restaurant to be like, I need a job going into the busy season of like, you know, the summer in Virginia Beach. I'm like, I need to find something else to make

ends meet. So there definitely was some kind of like feeling inside me where it's like literally I was on the Miss USA stage last year, performing, competing, networking. And now I'm serving at a local bar, which felt, it definitely felt, it was tough. It was a tough pill to swallow, but I'm always, like, I've been a high risk taker, I think my whole life, calculated risks. And I think I'm always at the end of the day, like a firm believer that I'm going to be able to make things happen for myself. Like, I have a hard work ethic. I've never not been able to make money. Like, I know, I just believe it myself. And I think that at the end of the day, I would rather, like, risk it for the biscuit. Yeah. And make something big out of my life and enjoy my life than, um,

like stay in pharmaceutical marketing where I was unhappy and didn't have good work life balance. Okay, give us an idea of pharmaceutical marketing and bartending of like how much around can you make? At the same time. Yeah, just like in pharmaceutical marketing in general, what is a high level? What do you get paid annually? And then from a bartending perspective, like what could you pull a night when you were working at the local bar? Okay. So going going from pharmaceutical marketing, I would say that specific job, I think you can make a lot more money, but that specific job, I think the pay range would be about, like, 60 to 80. In my department, like, if I worked my way up, I think the most I could make would be like 80.

So, like, there wasn't longevity for me there to make, like, over $100,000 at that particular company. Sure. And then, yeah, like, bartending serving, I feel like that's where it's tricky because, you know, they don't take the taxes. It's hard to say exactly how much you could make in a year. But I mean, it gets a lot of it. That's a lot of cash money, but I feel like you could make, I mean, in the peak summer season in Virginia Beach, you could make $800 in one night. Yeah, you can make money.

You can make money. And that's in Virginia Beach. I think like, L.A. and New York, I'm like, you can make so much money. I mean, that's not a normal night, but that's like the top. But I would say the lower end is like $150 a night. Okay. Yeah. So is it fair to say both you two when you're going on, when you decide to go on the show,

financially you're doing, you're doing, okay. You guys are fine. It's not like you're in a dire situation or anything. Everything financially is going fine. Yeah. Okay. The show calls you. To you, is this like, okay, I was Miss, you know, Virginia was on Miss USA and I'm now

bartending and now ABC's knocking on my door. Like career professional-wise, did you see this also is another opportunity to get back to where you thought your life was headed? So interestingly, the bachelor had contacted me for the previous four years. What? Yeah. Stop it. So for four years in a row, I have.

had been in communication with them. So I turned to... So was that the same for you? No. You would have more. So it pretty much started in 2018, I think. So maybe it was three years. But I was like open-minded to it.

I didn't, I certainly had seen people go before me and be like, oh, this could be like an interesting avenue and could certainly change your life. But I also thought it was really high risk. Is that why you said no? The first time I, well, the only time I said, no the first two of the times I like made it some part of the process and then like you know no communication whatever one time I said no because I was I wanted to be Miss USA I was like I'm going for my dream like I've had this dream since I was a kid and so I was like I can't really do both in the

same year so I chose to go for Miss USA I feel like that's where bachelor casting directors just hang out they just go to the pageant's no it's so true they run the pageant circuit so the fourth time you say yes yeah okay and when you do that though you have to now put your business on hold and your full-time job, right? Yeah. Were there any issues with you potentially losing your job by going on the show? No, everybody was supportive. So I wasn't in pharmaceutical marketing going on to the show. I was just doing the video photography and serving at that time. I had left and been like, okay, I'm going to pursue this. But I did have to refund a wedding, which was like the last of my money.

Interesting. I had enough money. Like, I literally, like it was, I mean, weddings are like at the time I was doing them pretty cheap, but it's like $2,500 bucks. And for me, I was like, that's like everything I have to be able to make it two months. If I make it all the way, like that felt to me like a big deal in the moment as somebody trying to build their business. I was like, was there a predicament that the wedding, you could have been back by the wedding and you didn't know what to do? Or were you for sure going to be filming?

I think I was for sure. It was at the beginning. Okay. So you knew you'd be gone. Yeah. So you refund the wedding. You take a shot. Yeah.

You go on The Bachelor. Okay. When you, I'm just curious for both of you guys, because you're, talked about the psychology thing. When you did the psychology thing, I'll never forget. I had like two, because I was like kind of nervous. Like, what is this process? I had two drinks on the plane. And then I was like, I'm just going to go to sleep. And then they put the 600 questions psych test in front of us. Did you guys have that too? Yeah. Right? I was like, what? And they're like, yeah, we need this filled out in an hour. So I was like, you got to be

kidding me. I was like, I'm going to fall asleep. I had a couple cocktails. So I ordered like a bunch of beers of the room. And I was like, let's just grip it and rip it. Like, and I did that psych test that that whole thing was insane that was like you talk about interview processes and stuff in life like that was one of the hardest interview there were like some trick questions on there for me too and like did they have somebody well when I did they had somebody

like watching me take it oh really oh yeah so I did mine before I you know got selected it was like kind of back to back with like the drug testing and stuff and I was out there like asking the guy questions they were like don't talk to them they just had a monitor I probably can't repeat one of the questions maybe I don't know

but I had somebody watching too, but I read, on a video camera, right? Mine was a virtual. Yeah, it was, it was virtual. Yeah. Do you think I can get in trouble for like one of the questions vividly? It was like, it was so tricky because it was like psych exam, right? So it was like, do you like fire? And I'm like, well, they're probably looking to see if I'm an arsonous risk. But I'm like, also, I'm like, I like, I like smores and like a cozy. I'm like, I like, I like smores and like a cozy. I'm like, so I'm like, so I'm like, I'm like, hey, in what context? Like, I don't love playing with fire, but like, I like, I like a cozy. He was like, just answer the question. I was like, I was like, I was like, I was like, Man, you're no fun. I'm like trying to make him laugh. He's like, answer the question. That you meet with this. I have an issue with fun. Smores.

I just like smores. Unbelievable. All right. So funny. I got to love it. Well, somehow we all made it through. Not all of us were asked eight seasons ago, but we made it. Must be nice.

Justin and I just. Somebody dropped out. They're like, kid, you're in. You and I both. Yeah. Just squeak them by a little bit. All right. So we go on the show.

All of us actually went pretty far. You get off the show. Talk to me a little bit. Let's start with you, Justin. How did your life change professionally? Like, did you rethink things? I know you went back to work, but you get this lift in social media. Did you ever think about just taking that on full time at the point?

Like, talk to me about that. Initially, no, because I'm just such a realist. And I've always, just the way I was brought up, I feel like the world of social media was just, you know, never in the realm of a possibility of being, like, my primary source of income. I'm like I just, you know, both my parents, college, full-time jobs, just like very straight, you know, arrow type people. And so I was like, well, that's what I'm, that's going to be my trajectory, just like finance grapefruit until the day I die, right? And so, and I, and I like being in corporate, you know, for the most part. So, you know, a lot of people, you know, I'd kind of laugh at people that like quit their jobs before they even went on the show, then, you know, get tossed night one. I'm like, that'll never be me. Like, you know, so I like took pride in going

back to work afterwards. And it was challenging because I, you know, no matter how. how many people you talk to about how, you know, things could change for you social media wise, opportunity wise, whatever. Like, I was talking to my cousin Marshall about it who went on love is blind. I was trying to prep him, but like there's nothing like actually experiencing it. And, you know, I was working remotely. It was 20, 21, so we were still remote. And I remember just kind of being on my laptop working, but it's like, that phone is like calling your name. It's like, let me refresh and like see, like, who's liking my stuff and, like, messaging. It was just so new. And all the fan accounts are tagging you, talking about you, looking at all

the podcast that are like recapping, you know, what you did in the previous. It was so hard for me to stay focused on my job. So let me, let me separate the two. Job wise, it was still good, um, because, you know, understandably every, all my coworkers wanted to talk about it. And they're like, oh my God, loved you on this. It was kind of weird because I was like, when I'm at work, I just want to be Justin, you know, at work, right? But that's unrealistic because people are watching it. They are like, I work with this guy, you know, so they're messaging me like intraday. And I'm like, you know, Yeah. And even my clients, and like I, you know, I would call an advisor. And I'm like about to talk mutual funds. He's like, hey, man, my wife loves you. I'm like, dude. I'm like, hey, but it's good for business. So I'm like, let's talk about it. You know what I mean? Sure. So it was good in that regard. But, you know, inevitably opportunities came along. And as you know, the finance industry is very highly regulated. And so there were some nuances that I wasn't, you know, didn't know I had to navigate, but was totally fine navigating. And what I mean by that is, you know, any outside income I had to report and get brand deals approved.

And so this was a brand new process to me, to the firm, you know, and it, it got complicated pretty quickly. Is that why you ended up leaving? Yeah, it was. Was it your departure or no? It was kind of a, it was a sticky situation. It was sort of like. It was very sticky. Yeah.

It was like a bachelor. Just don't work. Didn't mix well. Didn't mix well. And it was, it was interesting, you know, because prior to going on, like I said, said, I was like, I wasn't too gung-ho on doing it. And I had all the support, you know, from my employer to like to do it. And then once the opportunities started coming in, it was like, whoa, whoa, whoa. We weren't expecting this. And I was like, well, it's prime time

ABC, you know, and I did pretty well. I was like, I, as much as I'm trying to come back and just be normal, Justin, I was like, so long as it's not interfering with my work, I don't see the issue. And, you know, there's stuff that I would, you know, you know, not only brand deals, but I got to the point where I was submitting everything, doing my job, getting everything approved, right? And then it felt like they were kind of picking and choosing what they were okay with, you know, cameo, for instance, right? For those who don't, you know what cameo is, people want you to say happy birthday and Merry Christmas, right? And it was like, hey, hey, we thought we asked you to, you know, submit everything you were monetizing. I was like, hey, honest mistake,

didn't even think about it. It's cameo. They're like, well, you need to shut down. I was like, why is that? Well, we have no control over what you're saying on your cameo. I was like, I'm not providing any financial advice on cameo. I can promise you that, you know? And I was like, for what it's worth, you don't have control over what I say on my Instagram story. I don't post anything inappropriate, but, you know, cool, I will oblige. And it just got, you know, I would get on invited on trips, you know, to Belize with this, with this company. And, you know, I got it approved. Got the trip approved. And no one sees that I'm waking up four hours earlier, you know, cranking out work on calls, doing everything, right?

Still, you know, had one of the top performing territories in the U.S. And, you know, they see, you know, people at work, whatever, would see me post a picture of swimming with turtles, right? Yeah. And I'm getting calls. It's like, hey, you know, could you refrain from posting? I'm like, you guys approve this trip? Like, do you want me to post behind my laptop?

Or do you think people want to see me swimming with turtles? You know what I mean? I'm like, I'm getting my stuff done, but I got to give the people the cool stuff. You know, I'm in Belize. Yeah, that's what I'm in. I got it approved, you know? And then it's like, well, I'm like, hey, well, why are people like snoop? He was like, well, people are wondering how much vacation time.

I'm like, I'm not, like, you, I, this trip got approved. I'm working remote. I'm like, what's the difference between me working remotely in Belize and someone who wasn't on TV that's in Martha's Vineyard right now? Right, right. There was no answer. It's like, well, the optics, you know, you're in the public eye right now. I was like, I understand that, but it's like, if people want to snoop and watch my stuff

and compare and complain, like, you know, there's only so much I can do. and so it became a bigger issue was like everything you do needs to be so I remember like I wasn't trying to be facetious but like almond butter would show up on my door front from companies I'm like hey just let you know this company sent me almond butter

like I'm not trying to get in trouble you know and you know it got to the point I think one of the the tipping points like Andrew Spencer he had gotten invited to a USC football game and a Saturday right he invited me we all took a trip out here went to the game

Monday morning I get a call with you know, HR and like, we saw you on the field at a USC football game and we thought we asked you to report every perk that you were getting from. I was like, hey, I want to follow the rules, but like, I feel like, you know, where's the employee handbook? These are the Justin rules at this

point, you know? Like, this is a Saturday. I'm like, and I even, because I never want to like throw anyone under the bus or but I'm like, our department raffles off Ravens tickets every week. Are the winners reporting the winning ticket? They're like, no. I'm like, why am I reporting my friend inviting me to a football game?

on my time and it got to the point was like hey listen we need to have a conversation you know if you are going to want to continue to be here you can't do anything bachelor related so well lights are mirrored I was in the exact same situation it was very unfortunate I felt more so betrayed than anything I was like you got like you told me to do this achieving all your results you're exceeding expectations I'm like why can't I succeed in both like because I wanted to maintain that career and I wanted to maintain the social aspect and I, you know, felt like I was doing both. Right. Well, yeah. I remember it was 5.01 p.m. And then I said to myself, okay, now I was allowed to post because they wouldn't let

me do anything until 501. And it put you in that like weird position. There's another funny fact is Derek Peth, if you remember from Batcher, franchise a while ago, he worked for a financial company that my, the bank I worked for ended up acquiring. This was after my sticky situation. So I called him. And I was like, dude, I got the playbook for you. He goes, oh, I've already been vetted on the playbook. Because like you, they literally created their own rules based on the situation. It's such a bizarre thing to have to deal with. Were you monetizing at a level, though? You could leave your job at this point? Yeah. Okay. So you're making enough money offside hustle with Instagram and stuff that you had the ability to do it. Yeah. Okay. When you left in February,

did you would all know that Paradise was on the radar? It was, it was honestly to the, almost to the hour, a bang, bang scenario where I figured they would call me back eventually. Yeah. You know, because they were only so heavy the previous season. I didn't know when they would start making calls. I knew it would probably start filming in June. But I remember my last day, you know, I'm on the phone with my dad and we were debating whether or not we were going to pursue certain avenue.

Sure, sure. You know. I did. Yeah, yeah, exactly. So we were having those conversations. And I was literally arrived to a particular office. for a meeting and literally as I touched my butt to the seat I get a call from one of the producer I'm like I know what this call is I stepped out in the hallway and I said well you know

maybe this a sign you know and it was insane people that come on this show this just happens all the time it's so yeah jack's Taylor was just here he said that he was he had been a model and entertainment for 12 years broke as a skunk had nothing left dad said you got to come home pack the truck up as he's packing the truck up same day, Lisa Band of Prom call. Yep. Like, isn't it so, it's insane how these things happen. They call you, you end up going.

Did you get a job in between or did you just wait till Paradise? No, so it was, man, I'm telling you that I have been like, the corporate world wants me, you know, like, and it's been, it's been like that, that, I'm not going to call it the devil, the corporate, you know, whatever that, that voice on my shoulder has been, so even, even when I agreed to paradise, I was like, well, I'm still going to be a corporate guy, right? So whether it's securing a job now, but I know it's tricky timing because by the time I get through the hiring process,

like, I can't really, like, I was. I was, like, I was like, I'm not going to go, I'm not going to put myself in the same situation. So I'm going to be fully transparent to wherever my future employer is, what I have going on, for better or for worse, like they're either going to hire me with that knowledge and knowing it or, or not.

But I was like, I'm not going to put myself in the same situation. So February-ish, I actually, when they called, I was like, well, still let me think about it. Like, I don't know. Like, I was kind of seeing somebody, but it, like, I wasn't fully dating them. And then they kept calling, kept calling.

And by the time, probably March-ish, I was like, okay, I'm down. But I had started looking for other jobs. And so I made it all the way through the interview process. They were cool with me being on the show. All good. They were like, maybe we'll start you, you know, in May. You can leave for the show, come back. Or should we just start you in July?

So we were having those conversations. It ultimately didn't work out. So I went, going into Paradise, I was not, I was just doing social media stuff. Okay. And then, yeah, and then I went back to corporate about a couple months after that. Okay. All right. We're going to get into that.

You go to paradise. Now, we're going back to you, Susie. So I wanted to ask you this, you got rid of that $2,500 deal. Like, are you in a position where you're okay financially? Like, do you have a couple bucks or is it kind of tight? It was definitely tight. Okay. Yeah.

But a lot of people talk, especially we hear from women that prepare for the show. and because they have to buy like all this shit like tons did you have to at all go in debt to buy stuff no did you have like thankfully i didn't have to go into debt i had saved a significant amount of money to go to miss usa that's a huge financial and so i think even having gone to miss usa i actually had a lot of wardrobe as well so i had a lot of gowns dresses like things that i could wear obviously i still had to purchase things probably i think i probably spent like 1500 bucks on clothing but you did a good yeah I think I spent more I know I mean Justin does know I'm like like I like a deal I like a budget I feel like I'm not not even frugal yeah like I'm I'm I feel like I'm very generous with people but frugal with

myself and like things like that and I I like to even thrift and stuff like that like I feel like I'm or you know clothing rentals like I love I like all that kind of stuff but I think it helped coming from pageantry like having some of it and I also feel like like a few years prior, I had someone say you have to go into debt to make your dreams happened. And I've so firmly, like, believed against that. I was like, I don't think anyone should have to go into debt to achieve your dreams. And I would like stand by that. So I kind of like was like, I'm going to make things work. But I do think that coming from pageants helped. Interesting. Yeah. I mean, it's unbelievable that you did that. 1500 bucks. You killed it. You

get off the show, though. And these paths, they start out in Virginia and Baltimore. And guys, I hope you see, we're slowly bringing these paths together. You get off the show. Yeah. At this point, you're with Clayton. And I remember we had, we had dinner with you guys at Kane Prime. What did you, what was your career strategy after the show once it ended? So I actually went back to waiting tables because I loved it.

And I remember, and I was obviously still videography, I was booked for 22 weddings. So, like, I had a full, like, year of weddings. But I served tables literally. really the second I came back because I didn't have a wedding from the time I came off the show until the finale. It was like March until my next wedding. So I was like, I need to work still. So I was serving at a restaurant. And I remember, I remember Clayton being like, what the hell are you doing? Like, why are you serving tables? And like, they would like play the show as I'm like serving tables. Yeah. And so they would have the TVs going. And it would literally be the Bachelor episodes.

And I'd be like, this is so like, I actually thought it was kind of funny. But I've also just always, always loved, like, the restaurant industry. Those were those $800 nights. Yeah. That's not, yeah, those are the big bug nights. Yeah. No, it's like, it's so funny because it was literally like such a locals, like, chill vibe of a bar, but I, I went back to it and I stayed there literally as long as I could,

like, through part of the summer. And I went to working one day a week because it was like, it was solely for the social aspect. I just loved doing it. I was working Wednesdays only. And it got to the point where I was like. like I'm becoming a burden on them because people were calling, Is Susie from The Bachelor working tonight?

And I was like, okay, like, they're not allowed to release that information. And I was just, I just liked doing it. But I was like kind of set after the show. I was like set on like, I want to stay in Virginia Beach. Like I want to be close to my family. I don't think I've ever been like super driven as far as like I need to have a ton of money. But I have always desired a unique lifestyle. Like I've always been like, I want to enjoy my life.

I want to enjoy what I do. do for work. Like I've, and I've always believed that you can enjoy what you do for work. So I don't think I've ever, like, chased money. Even coming off the show,

it wasn't like, oh, how can I make the most money out of this? It was like, oh, I just want to like enjoy the life that I've like already created here. But I realized coming off the show, like,

and even Clayton coming to my home, I was like, oh, it's not the same as it was like the kind of like hustle, like videographer, just kind of, I don't know. I just,

the life I had was so different before the show that when we came off. and Clayton was there, and we were trying to figure things out. I was like, oh, this isn't like the same life I had, and it's not as fulfilling as I thought it would be coming home and, like, doing, being a local wedding vendor. Yeah, so your social media picked up quickly. You had to be making more off social media than you were making and all your other side jobs pretty damn quickly after the show, especially ending up like engaged, right?

Well, we didn't get engaged, but still, yeah, yeah, yeah. I mean, yeah, I waited to take a brand deal, I think, even after being allowed to, I think, I waited a month, and it was like a three-month waiting period already. So it was like the show, I got off the show in November. I didn't take my first Brandale until like July, August of the next year. So I waited. Hey shit. Yeah, I waited a long time.

Not I. I'll do it. I think there was a part of me that like this sounds weird, but I didn't want to seem too eager. Like I was like, I don't, like, I love my life. And I feel like there is such this like. stigma when you come off the show of people being like, oh, everyone's there for this and that. And I'm like, honestly, I loved my life. I was, I was, like, hustling going into the show. Like,

my lifestyle, like, I was working crazy hours. I was, like, shooting weddings and every single opportunity I got. I was taking every single opportunity I got. And I was, I really loved my life. I had great friends. Like, I was, it was beach living. Like, it was such a fun lifestyle at 27 to, like, leave my corporate job and be like, I'm going to try this. It was like a new adventure. I loved it. And so I didn't feel the need to like change everything, but it was just different. And it wasn't the same anymore. Got it.

It's not the same anymore. It's different. You finish the show. It doesn't work out with Clayton. You're still on the same professional trajectory. But there's like the whole world is calling for you and Bachelor World to do one of two things, be the Bachelorette or be on paradise. It's funny that you almost ended up on the same season of Paradise.

Did they ever contact you to actually be the Bachelorette? they did yeah last year and did is that something you pursued and it just they went in a different direction yeah I definitely considered it and I mean I would have if it had been offered to me I got to the point where I was like if they give it to me even the stipulations that I had I really tried to work on that contract because it's just you're signing away so much and I'm not sure that it's the same opportunity that it used to be to be honest I feel like you know a few years ago it's such a it's such a career changer it's such a life changer that even if I didn't love the experience of being the bachelorette I think

it would have been worth it for the career but I at that time I was kind of like I don't know if it's the same opportunity and if it would be worth it and I don't and I don't think I would like it and I don't think I would I don't know I really I really did consider it and I really did try to negotiate the contract and stuff but ultimately they went in a different direction so I didn't even have the choice to but I did consider it and I was ultimately like if it's offered I think I'll do it okay so you're on the fence with it but they ended up moving a different direction everything you said, I think it's very fair to say, like, if you look at like an equation, like the current value of accepting a lead position, like 2015 to probably 2019, 20, was a lot

different than I think now. So I get that. But what about Paradise? Paradise comes your way. You could have met your now boyfriend on Paradise and got paid me at TV time for it. Did you think about it? Actually, you wouldn't have been on that season. I think she, it would have been the next season.

Yeah. It would have been in the season. Well, yeah, because she was with Clayton while I would. On paradise. Go in paradise. So it was the next season. Yeah. Okay, so you wouldn't have met that.

Yeah. So it's a good thing you didn't go on. Yeah, thank goodness. Did you think about going out? I did think about it. I did. Again, I really did consider it. And like I said earlier, I love to risk it for the biscuit.

Like I am, I love to. I'm like, I'm not afraid in most ways and in most things. I'm not afraid to like risk it or take a chance on myself or take a chance. Like, I don't think I'm going to make a fool myself. I'm not going to get in a fight with it. anybody on the beach like I'm going to be super laid back and like just try to enjoy it but I did not think I would be successful in finding love on the beach and I thought to be honest to be completely honest I think it it would have taken me out of other opportunities that I could find elsewhere.

I'm like you're signing then a contract with ABC that you can't do something for a year I couldn't do YouTube for a year and it's not like I'm making a ton of money on YouTube right now but that's my what I'm pursuing for sure yeah so it's like I thought I thought it was a smarter choice to withhold and be like, I'm not going to find love. Like, I don't think there's anybody that I'm going to meet there that I'm going to fall in love with. And I don't think it's financially worth it. And I don't think it's worth getting into a contract where I can't do a single other thing that I want to pursue this year. And she knew I was at home. I was going to say that that too, but also you're right. That's the tough part about the contract. It's not even about the payment.

It's about that you would be stuck with everything for so long, like you're just handcuffed to what you would do and how you would do it. Yeah. That's the interesting part. All right. So now we're slowly get into that iceberg where the two worlds collide career wise professionally wise we know that you hired susie at what point did you guys know like at what point did you know that this friendship was going to be a relationship and then that's going to connect to some career questions actually i think that i have to give justin credit it just was really like gentlemanly the way he approached it we started to be a little bit more flirty probably leading up to the conversation and we had like a funny night where we were like flirty and it was like wait

is this happening like i don't know if you're into this like i'm into this and then we went to justin's house we ubered we had been out we had a few drinks we weren't drunk we'd had a few drinks and we ubered back to justin's house and he like really sat down we like sat down on his couch and he was like i think we should talk about this like i like you and i think that there could be something more than friendship but I value you and who you are and our friendship and like I would never want to do anything to make you uncomfortable like you really just like set it up to be a very like comfortable respectful situation told me how you felt I told you how I felt but we both acknowledged you were like super freaked out to like ruin this to ruin other relationships around

us like we don't want to be the couple that like can't be invited to hang out with the friend group because you know we were just like so nervous of messing anything that was already so good And, yeah, then we decided to kiss. After the respectful approach, and that was that. But you already talked a little bit about manifesting the career track and living track to L.A. I mean, talk to me a little bit about when was the decision made to come to L.A. And you thought about possibly even being roommates and things like that. Like, talk to me about that.

and career-wise, tell me a little bit about that decision to come out here and you already alluded to the fact that you kind of manifested. I'm curious what that looked like. Yeah, so I had never left Baltimore my entire life. And so I always knew that I wanted to experience living somewhere else. And for the longest time, I thought that city was going to be New York. When I was living in Baltimore, I was there probably once a month, if not more sometimes. And so it was always New York for me. And then, you know, I guess probably around the new year, it was like literally like, my resolution last year, I was like, I need to just rip the band-aid and do it because every time I say I'm to do it, I make an excuse as to why staying here is easier, more comfortable,

it makes more sense, whatever. I was like, I'm doing it. I don't care how uncomfortable. It's going to make me, I don't care what unknowns are in front of me. I'm going to do it. And, you know, I think Andrew, he's never going to leave Chicago, but he at the same time was like, I'm down to do, you know, a short stint somewhere. He had already done it with Greg through, you know, there's some kind of.

companies that do pre-furnished apartments that you can do. So it was perfect. The timing aligned. I was like, I'm down to do it with you because I know I want to move. And I knew if I moved to New York, I'm like, I already know what living there is going to be like, because I go there all the time. But L.A. is a huge move. It's across the country. So I was like, before I do rip the band-aid that hard, I want to test it out first. So that's when we started having the discussions. Oh, should we do like a new girl situation? And it's all of us. And in back my head, I'm like, yeah, let's do it. I'm like, well, that's going to eliminate any personal pursuits. But I'm like, I'm like, you know what, I'm down, I'm down. It could be fun.

And then, you know, we had to come back. Well, like, let's keep it professional. And at that point, we were just, we were friends. We just met. That obviously didn't work out. Susie got her own spot. And then Andrew and I moved out here temporarily and like March through May. And I was like, you know what? I can see myself out here. So let's do it. So around May, middle of May, I started looking for places, found my spot, fell in love with it. And I was like, I'm doing it. So I signed the lease in June.

had to go back home to move all my stuff out. So I had to sign my lease pretty much on the spot. And it was just vacant for a month. I was back home in Baltimore for like that last month, or for the entire month of June almost, moving my stuff out and then came back here permanently in July. Okay. And Susie, you had already been here?

I came out in, I think February. So I did a short term during the time that I was being considered for a bachelorette. And that's why I did that. I was like, I'm not going to get a place if I'm going to be the bachelorette. So I just was doing like a really short-term stay somewhere, also testing the waters. And then I went back home.

I had like three weddings on the East Coast to finish up. And then I came back out in May. Yeah. Got it. So you guys are interested. You're here at the same time. You get hired for a little video stuff. When you land in L.A., like right now, Justin, what are you doing professionally?

A little bit of everything. It's crazy. You know, the old saying, you know, if you jump the proverbial net, tends to fall. And so when I came out here, when I was all through that temporary stint, I was back in corporate and I was waking up, but like, I was still working East Coast hours. So I was like 5 a.m. And it was just, you know, it was a startup. So I'm thinking like two or three o'clock rolls around my time. I'm like, I'm good. But it was like I was pretty much working from sun up to sundown. It was just, it was insane. But being out here in that short

stint, I just saw how much opportunity there was. And so to answer your question, it just got to a point where I've, I've always been kind of like a left brain, right brain thinker, right? Where the artistic side is where my passion lies. The finance side is like, I enjoy it. And I kind of taught myself, like, force myself to be good at it. You know, because I'm like, this is my livelihood. But it's not what I wake up every day passionate about. And so once I started pursuing the creative stuff more heavily, the opportunities started coming. And so right now I'm doing the social media stuff. I'm doing art stuff. And I'm also, I started my own business that I'm preparing to launch in the next couple of months, hopefully.

It's in the spirit's industry. So I've been putting all my time and energy into that. And I guess it has something to do with espresso martini. You know, that's a great guess. I don't know what led you to that conclusion, but yeah. So full content creator and then you also have a business coming. Yeah. Within the full content creator world, if you just take, because you've had a big six months,

I feel like you've just been everywhere. Yeah. Content, by the way, together as friends and in a relationship, unbelievably. Thanks. You're killing it. Can you make more doing what you're doing now than what you're doing at, like, T-Row or some of the big corporate world? Yeah. And I, like, I wouldn't, just knowing me, everyone's different, but for better or worse, like, I am kind of money-driven, like, admittedly.

And I just wouldn't put myself in a position unless I knew that, you know, I could be better off. And, you know, it's, it's one of those things where, going back to my T-Row days, like, I've always been a long-term investor, right? So I don't look at social media as just like a forever thing, right? because I'm sure there's some people where there's a ton of longevity to it but my whole thing was I'm going to do it now and I'm going to enjoy it and hopefully do it right

but it's with the idea of like how can I use this to then launch something bigger that it does have longevity hence you know me coming up with this with his business yeah so something I enjoy doing but by no means am I looking I don't know any like 60 year old content creator you know what I mean it's like something that I'm doing now

to launch something bigger I'll tell you this though I know couples. Do you? I know a couple 70. I know a couple eight year old content. And like it's still there. They still crush it. And like I think if you find your way, it's possible. The platforms will change. Like all that stuff will move. But you could have a ton of success with it. What's so cool to hear the corporate grind into the creator grind and knowing that you're sure you're happier, but also you can make a lot more money. I'm so much happier because, you know, and I think there's some somewhat of a misperception, I guess. Like, although it's like I'm, I feel like I'm grinding. just as hard as I was in corporate, you know, three times hard.

Yeah, it's, it's not like I'm just like snapping a picture and posting and just making a bunch of money, right? Like, yeah, I'm like both of us. Like we work. We plan. We, it's, it's a grind, you know what I mean? And it got to the point where I got a sniff of that coming out here, right? And then it's like, okay, I'm comfortable doing this full time because I that was when I was trying to juggle both worlds. So I'm like, I can only imagine what it could be like if I step away and I can focus all my time and energy, not only the content creation, but my business that, like, I'm doing for me and not for somebody else. And, you know, super blessed and fortunate and knock on wood, that that has all worked out.

And Susie, for you, I mean, it's interesting because with it, we talked a little bit, being from Bachelor Nation, you get off the show, you get your following, you got to be entrepreneur. Like you've got to grind because it's likely, maybe you'll get called back for a paradise and maybe you got a shot at being leave. It's likely you're not going to end back up on ABC cameras. Right. And you're not going to get a check from them again.

So you've got to make it work. I feel like you've done an amazing job at making it work since day one. Right now, full-time content creator. Are you still doing all the video and photography work too? So up until like the last two months, yes. I did do like six or seven weddings in L.A. So I had a few in Virginia to finish up. I did six or seven in L.A.

So a much smaller year weddings. Okay. And then I just realized I got to the point where I couldn't manage both. Like I was, I was slipping on both sides of things where I wasn't really succeeding at either I felt. I wasn't like nailing it as a wedding videographer anymore. And I wasn't growing in that anymore. And I was kind of starting to dread some of my gigs.

And then I felt like I wasn't putting everything I could into content creation. So I've stopped accepting bookings. I still have a few more in the coming year to pursue. and they're exciting ones, their travel ones. So, like, I'm excited for those. But I'm taking a step back

from wedding videography, pivoting. I still want to do photography, videography. I do see a career for myself in photography, videography, but I want to just,

I think I want to step away from weddings. There's such long days. They're exhausting. And it's the same thing over and over again. So I think I want to kind of, like, lean into my creativity and maybe do something a little different. Still trying to figure that side out.

But right now, mostly relying on content creation in those avenues. And being hopeful, like I'm trying to like sharpen my skills with other things too. I would love to like host a YouTube show or host another show. You know what I mean? Like I think all those opportunities are appealing to me. And I'm just trying to figure out my footing.

Okay. At the height of let's say that marketing job in pharmaceuticals, that range is 60 to 80. We got the 80K. You're making the $800 of a night, essentially appearances as a bartender. In your content world right now, are you making significantly more than that? Yes. making to a point that you just like never in your life imagine because money's never been like your pursuit? Yeah, I would say so. Like, yeah, I would say so.

Financial conversations always make people feel awkward. I mean, I feel like, I guess my mentality on it is like, not that I never could have imagined. I think it's that wording. So I'm like, I've always known. I'm like, it's my book, bitch. I'm like, that's the ending. Like, I'm a rich billionaire. You know, that's the ending. So it's not that I've never pictured. myself, like, having financial, like, major financial success or, like, financial freedom. Like, I feel like I've always tried to be smart with the way I use my money. Yeah. But to be honest, I didn't know how much money was in content creation.

Great. So, like, I thought coming off the show, I did think, like, yeah, this, I could make money of this. I kind of thought, oh, maybe I'll make, like, $100,000 coming off the show, like, the first year, like, after I realized everything, I was like, I feel like, you know, that would be awesome. If I could make $100,000 doing content creation, but you can be. make more than that. Yeah. And I have made more than that. So like, yeah, I think to me to go from

being in like the range that I was in and working and hustling and being an entrepreneur, but also like having to show up and serve tables like hush puppies and beer. Like, you know, I mean, I feel like it is, it is interesting to go from that to something that I'm, I truly love and I truly am passionate about and be able to make more money doing it. So it is, it is cool. And an eye opening, but it's not that I didn't see it coming. It was in your book. Let's go. All right.

Now here's like the full circle moment. We're here, everybody. So you got the independent success that each of you have had. You've had both wild directions. Content creative and just creative work in general is both in your blood.

You now are a couple. Being a couple in this world is significant. Like maybe the theme of this world could be like now, this episode could be like the power of one. So when you think about it, now a lot of people, though in this space they operate in one of two ways i think i can name off a bunch of couples i won't but

you can see what they do they either operate independently and just continue to do their own thing or they like use their power as one to create like a whole empire where do you guys see from here the trajectory where do you go even like a lot of the content you did when you were in the friend's stage was together like what is the business plan look like we got to figure that out of We honestly haven't talked about that. You know, up to this point, we've just both, like, making content with each other. And it wasn't until recently where brands would reach out and be like, you know, we never, like, we never sat down and like, hey, we could make a killing doing this. Like, that was never the thought or intent or whatever.

And like I said, until recently, brands started reaching out. We're like, we like the both of you together. Yeah. And even that, we've never been like, let's keep doing. You know, it's just like, let's keep making. content and people if people like it great but more so it's like because we enjoyed and we think we're funny you know what I mean so we really haven't had that conversation yeah and to be honest I think the first brand that approached us which by the time this airs it'll it'll be out I'm sure

coming up oh no it already yeah no that's silly sweethearts which is like a valentine's day candy and they have a situation ship box and we took a call with them and to be honest I was just so excited that they loved our skits because I think skits can be so it's you're putting yourself out there they could flop you know what I mean like it's you're trying to write a little comedy and like make fun you're going to have to put your acting skills to the test like it's vulnerable and so sometimes you put stuff out there and you're like oh is this going to be cringy isn't funny and so they loved our skits and they were just like we just think you're so funny and we we enjoy watching it It's entertaining.

And to me, as somebody that, like, enjoys creating, writing, directing, producing. I was like, that is, like, the biggest compliment that a brand would like what, not just me looking hot in a swimsuit or the way my hair looks or, like, my makeup. It's like, they liked something from in here that we put out into the world, which to me was, like, the biggest compliment and so exciting. I think right there you nailed that, especially from the bachelor world, when you've done that and people are recognizing something other than you're on The Bachelor. That's when you know you're in the right lane.

That's how you know you're making it. And I think anybody from the show that's been able to grind and make a career out of this, they've done exactly that. You can't be known as the person from the show. You have to be known for what you do after the show in your skits. And then also your video editing and the creative, it's brilliant. Do you actually write your stuff out before? Do you actually write it out?

So you write it out, act it out, produce it, post-ed-ed-it. you do it all, you're together. Yeah. Wow. That's incredible. Maybe there's a production company. We've talked about it. I thought you haven't talked about, we haven't talked about, like, let's do more brand deals.

We've talked about like, how can we use our talents to do something? Oh, I didn't. Yeah. So we just had the conversation this morning in my kitchen. Justin is like, like, I can run a camera and I know how to run a camera and I know how to do a lot of technical skills. But I don't think I'm actually that artistic. I think I'm great writer.

that was like my best subject growing up and I took so many like writing like script classes in college like I love that I love concepts and emotion and all that stuff but Justin has a vision like I'm so not detail oriented but Justin is like truly a creative director like even when we do shoots like the way he does stuff I'm like you have such a skill like if we before we ever start dating we said this we're like we should create like a package not even to put us in it but to create stuff for brands for their social media because he's so good at the creative directing. And I think that I can run the camera and I've got like some of the technical skills and the writing and stuff like that where we've talked about that before. And we work well

together in those scenarios. Came on. I think you guys are going to create something absolutely amazing. That's my guess. That question is though to do that, you might have to be under one roof. Are you guys talking about moving in or is that not on the topic yet? I think I'm too messy. honestly there's like new studies out that it's like sleeping in separate rooms just like created like healthy love yeah maybe that's the answer live in two different spots yeah right now we're totally i mean we yeah we i mean i literally was just talking about this the other day it feels like we're at each other's place all the time yeah but i feel i would definitely be the difficult one to live with i'm like i'm pretty oCD about like yeah actually like that's

why he's the great at creative directing he's very particular oh yeah And I'm like, I've tried to get better about it. I have my lovely mother to thank for it. But actually, both my parents are very neat. But you're next love. I mean, I grew up like, I was doing chores, cleaning bathrooms, like, every Saturday. My dad has always been like everything on his desk is like organ. Like when I was at Tiro, I have come people, people come in to be like, you're a serial killer.

I'm like, what are you talking about? They're like, everything is literally perfectly squared. Like a post-a-no, it wouldn't be off. But that like, even every time we leave my house, like, I'm re-doing my decor pillows and like putting the blank. like I just love my place to look aesthetically pleasing and just clean and it's just like how I've always been and I try to respect it like I notice it and I'm like I'm gonna fluff the pillows before I leave the room like I definitely try to be respectful but naturally in general I think that I am way more about like everything in life I'm pretty like you know that's cool

I've I very and everyone's dip like there's some beauty in that because like I wish I was more like that to some degree but there's also times like I very rarely lose anything and And Susie would be like, like, she's like, where's that SD car? I'm like, you just had it. If I had wasn't a tennis, Susie would be gone. But it's like, we're kind of adapting to like each other. So like, if we go in a parking garage and like, let me get the parking ticket and I'll hold on to me. Because I'm like, you know what I mean?

We're these behaviors before you do. Yeah. Yeah. So we, we work well together. We really do. Yeah. Okay. Last part about this interview.

A second book I have coming out is called Talk Money to me. The concept is that like we're really not taught love and money. Like we've learned so much now about love. and we were starting to learn about money, but like having financial transparent conversations is challenging, especially in relationship. So I'll keep it broad with you guys.

I don't want to get too in the weeds, but from a financial standpoint, like do you guys talk openly about this? Is it something that is not your forte, something to work on? Like when deals come in, do you talk about the dollars? Where do you guys stay?

Honestly, we do. And I'm like, it has been the best transition because we would kind of, I mean, we didn't, not as in depth, but I feel like the year-long friendship and just, like, trust and everything that we built

in that time, it just made for such a seamless and easy transition into more than friends because we were working together before. We were having discussions about our personal, whatever. And so now I try to be Susie's biggest supporter and vice versa, like, she supports me so much. It's like we are genuinely, which I, you know, I can't speak for a lot of couples, but like, we are genuinely happy when the other person succeeds and, like, gets an opportunity. And it's just like, dude, how much? is that one for like that's sick like like I'm so happy it's so we just it's not like a comparison thing or it's just like oh like like up your worth like you're worth more like you know

what I mean like should you do that should like we just have conversations like hey do you think I should take this one or like we just we have those open conversations and I feel like we're both so different that we're not in competition with each other either which not that I think that would matter anyways but I think you've really like nicheed yourself into a very cool space. And I'm still trying to figure out my niche. I think probably because I'm also as a person all over the place. But I think that we just have different opportunities. And if I can get Justin paid on an opportunity that I'm invited to, I'm going to do it. And same with you for me. Like we've, literally, you know, after we've started to, well, we've started to see more brands want both of us.

So like you just like, if a brand reaches out, I'm like, hey, how can we kind of parlay this into this makes sense for a shoesy to be in it? And it's just like, well, we've started to, like yeah we've we've been pretty open about that and as far as like personal finances like i think moving to l.A. was such an expensive move for both of us that we have been open about like our rent or the even like my equipment that i'm investing in all these things and it's like we've we've definitely had some discussions about those things and i think it's been good because it kind of helps you gauge like as you know the industry standard and like what people are making like i think it's kind of better to have those open conversations because then

you know, like, oh, so that was a real low ball or, oh, that was a great one or whatever. So it's good to be open and we've been really open about everything. And I think it's just made things very positive and healthy. The basis of what you guys have done, I think is the friendship, to open conversation, to working as one, to supporting one. It's huge in a space that's like really hard to do that. Let's end with a little bit of a rapid fire. It's a fun little money game.

You guys ready for this? Okay. All right. So we'll start with you, Justin. your financial green flag, and Susie, you're next. What is Justin's one financial green flag? Well, I mean, and I'm fortunate that I had the investment background, but I invest. So I think you probably don't want a long-winded answer, but I think it's something like,

had I not been in that industry, you know, I've got friends, relatives, whatever. They just, you know, they could be making good money, but just like, dude, like, you got to invest. You can't just like have sitting in a savings account, like have your money work for you. And some people, you know, not to their fault. know what to invest in, what sectors to look for, what to, you know, whatever. But like, fortunately, that was my live, like, that's how I made a living. So I think my green flag is just investing. Good investors, a good one. Given Mark Colster a plug here. We're in his house here. We just had a conversation about the fact people are usually really good at just making money or just

investing. And if you have the combo of both, that's huge. So that's a green flag. If you have crypto questions, go over to Mark Colster. Check them on Twitter. Susan, your green flag. I like to ball on a budget. I like to, I like to, I like to, I like to, I like to make. deals like I'm I'm yeah I think financially I like to play it safe like I always and I don't it's probably not a good thing that it's probably fear base but I always want to be sure that I'm like comfortable and like I'm good so I just I try to make things work make my money go a long way can I give her a shout out for this as well so we we are so similar in so many ways and like this is a very appreciated trait about Susie like she's so easy going it's like little like we both

Don't get me wrong. We like nice things and we like to wine and dine and all that stuff. But it may seem so minuscule, but we were planning New Year's Eve, right? And it's like, okay, we went to the Ravens Dolphins game. It's like, we're ripping from here. And then we got to take a train and like, but I want you to get the bar experience in Baltimore and like meet my friends and this, this and that. And I'm like, I'm trying to make dinner, like these really nice dinner reservation. She's like, you know what? Like, we could save time and money and we could just get ready at the hotel. I'm like, Uber eats some food. I'm like, you're like, I'm like, what? What's your ring size? You know, even last night, it's like, you know, I love cooking, but it's like, I'm also, like, can be heavily convinced to Uber eats or just go out. And she's like, you know what? Let's be healthy and like make dinner. It's like, so she's very like just fruit. Like, like, easy. And there's a lot of good, a lot of good vibes.

Personally and with the financial time. My ring size is a five. It's a five. It's a five. No, okay. If you're a ring company out there, these are two great creative. creators. Let's get them paid. Neal Lane is salivating at the mouth. Neil Lane, step your game up because there will be other bidders here. Okay. All right. Financial red flag.

Go, one financial red flag. I probably could use a lesson on investing. So I'm talking to you later about that. Sounds like you got the guy to do it. Yeah, I got the guy to help me. I don't know if you have one, but you got to dig one. Financial red flag. Oh, I know. I have one for sure. I have expensive taste. He's bougie. Okay. I'm bougie as hell. This is the great third question of rapid fire was one thing that you'll spend money on that no matter what your financial situation is, you'll continue to spend money on. What is? My home decor. Wow. Gee, you're interesting guys. Yeah, dude. The most interesting man. Oh, C.D. Yeah. Yeah. Like, where you shop it? Oh, man. Everywhere. All over. All over. Everywhere. Where is it? I mean, my single Saturdays were truly just going out hitting store to store to

store online. I, like, I enjoy. Wow. Decor shopping. It's like everything in life I can't do. I don't want to do, but I wish I didn't want to wish I could. Yeah, it's, it's, maybe you need to, like, create a blog or something. Oh, he'd be so good to that. I'm, I think so many things. Single men, like, I don't know where to go. Like, I don't know where to start. You may be on to something.

Okay. Let's do something. Yeah, yeah. Yeah. We already did that. It wasn't one thing that you spend too much money on. Maybe this doesn't work for you. But no matter what, you're going to continue to spend this money on this situation.

I actually think it's people. It's other people. Like, I feel. like I will like not even think twice and I'll be like okay there's 10 people here we're in Santa Monica I'm like 10 shots of your best tequila let's go like I do not care and I'm just in that sense I'm like I'll spend money I'm not trying to like continue to answer for you but I'm just trying to piggyback that is like everything it's so right because even we're friends I'd be so frustrated because we'll go somewhere and so he's like oh I'll buy the six tickets to Disney

world Disneyland you guys just pay me back later and I'm like yo what's your Venmo and I'm like have you asked the people for them like she's like ah I'm like I'm like I'm like I'm like, dude, the tickets are, like, get your money. You know what I mean? I'm like, I appreciate the person that's always willing to like put the, you know, everyone gets alligator arms, but I'm like, get your money back. I just, I don't know, I just believe it comes back to you. And you also.

Absolutely, absolutely. But you also notice, like, I notice the people that like don't. Yeah. It's a learning lesson. It is. And it's a cheap thing. I can learn that lesson, but also send the request. For sure.

Yeah, noted, but I'm still sending the request. That's fair. That's fair. I don't know. I'm just like such a believer and like, it'll find its way back to me and them. I'm such a, like, karma's real. A lot of good vibes going here.

Let's wrap with this one. A check that you got, let's say recently, maybe the last couple years, a check that just, it doesn't even have to be it was the most amount of money. It could be if you want it.

But like a check that you're just like, yes, either from where it came from or when it came in, it could be a dollar amount. It could be the meaning behind it. Like a good moment. with a check that came in. Last one we got.

I kind of had back-to-back ones that were important to me. One was from Jack Daniels, and then the other was through Hilton, and they had me out there during Art Basel Week. And so those were two really important, big and important ones to me, because one, I have worked hard to kind of carve my own niche in, like,

the spirits industry. And, you know, it wasn't like your typical, like, go make a cocktail at home, like they had me, they flew me out to Lynchburg, Tennessee, where the distillery is. And, you know, I was one of like five creators and, you know, took us on like a three-day tour of the distillery. And we learned the history and the taste. It was just like a very immersive, selective, unique experience that I was getting like paid well for. So I was like, wow, this is, okay, like you said, they're noticing me for something beyond just being on this show.

Yes. Right. And then Art Basel, obviously, I'm an artist. So to like, again, you know, despite the check size, like to get paid to be somewhere where I was going to Arbaz the past couple years anyway. So I'm like, this is amazing. So I'd say those were my too. Let me ask combined. I got to drill down money mafia.

Let me if I don't combine over 10K. Oh yeah. Let's go. You saw the, oh yeah. See, I always got a press for a number. I don't. Then they yell at it. And I keep a high level if you don't want to answer directly all of it.

All right, Susie. Okay. I know I mentioned it, but I think similarly, it was like being recognized. The sweetheart thing, it wasn't the, the price amount. It wasn't a crazy number. It certainly wasn't my biggest brand deal or our biggest brand deal at all. But it was a moment where you realized, like you said, you're not being recognized just from being on the show. You're being recognized for something you're putting out into the world, which has kind of been these skits and like leaning into comedy. And so it just

felt like recognition of like you're going in the right direction. You're being recognized for things that you value in yourself, which is like creativity and comedy and, you know, being able to draw people into a story, that just felt to me, it just felt really flattering. And if I can make money, make a living, doing that kind of work, I think I would be really happy. So that, that check to me meant a lot, even if it wasn't like the biggest financial. And your situation ship is now a relationship. That's right. What were the deliverables on that? It was just a real. Just a real. Did you have to do a real too? No, so they gave the option. So they reached out to Susie and they were like, we love your stuff with Justin. and I had the option to either, like, get paid to just be featured in it, and she just posted

to her page, the option to not be in it at all, or the option to collab post with her. Okay. Well, I got to be, I got to be hard on you. I was hard on him. Yeah. Over 10K? Yeah, so it started out less than 10K, and then they came back for more, like, usage. And yeah, it's, like, right at 10K.

Let's go. You guys are cleaning up. You're doing it together. You think about where you guys have been to where you are now, your whole story, Baltimore. Virginia, the show, relationships failing, working, and then finding each other all because you hired a little photography work. I love that it started with an ask from a professional perspective. Me too, actually.

And I don't know. I'm just telling you, I'm in the room, guys. You can watch it on YouTube. I feel great energy. I have a feeling, like, in a couple years, I'm going to have you guys back because something big is going to happen here. I mean, I like that. I mean, I did relationship-wise, yeah, but I've already got the ring size.

I'm talking like, I think you guys are going to build something. That's going to be pretty cool. I appreciate that. Thanks. I hope so. I hope so. They're unique. Yeah.

So there's something there. All right, we've got to end with the trading secret. So it's a trading secret. It's going to be anything from your career track, your financial management that you can't get into textbook, can't learn out a TikTok tutorial or YouTube or from a professor, only from your career experience and navigation. So I need a trading secret from each of you guys. Who wants to start?

start. I would say that, and this may be cliche, but no one's path is going to be identical nor does it need to be linear for a long time. Like I said, I thought that just because what I was surrounded by with my parents, you know, I did go college and have corporate as well, but like, there's more than more than one way to skin a cat. Sorry, like I don't mean anything literal by that, but you know what I mean? Like, not everyone's path has to be linear. And so find something that you thoroughly enjoy doing. And if you are money motivated, find a way to monetize it. It's not something that's going to come easier to happen overnight. But if you do something consistently and you do something to your utmost ability, it will happen for you. Yeah. And it's interesting. It's cool to hear

from an artist that you're saying like make life a mosaic, right? Yeah. Like stop with the blueprint. Yeah. And then I also think what's interesting is like when things came together for you for your career, like also everything else fell in the place. And it's kind of to piggyback. Like, if you you are in a situation where you're doing something where you're like, okay, this isn't what I want my end all to be all, you know, potentially to be. Think about what you are naturally talented at, what you love doing and find ways to incorporate that into your daily life and what you're doing. So even when I was working in finance, like, I was like, I need to be creative, right? And so I was winning presentation competitions because I was thinking creatively, writing creatively. I was going

out doing sip and paint nights with my advisors and their wives. You know, I was thinking of ways that I could still find ways that I was being fulfilled while, like, getting the check and eventually, you know, got to the point we're like, okay, I can take that leap and do this full time. So just hone in on what you love doing and know that you don't have to have just like a linear path to be successful. I love it. That is a hell of a trading secret. All right, Susie, that's a tough act to follow, right? That's really hard to follow. But Susie, give us your trading secret. Okay, so I have to be honest when you invited us on, I really thought I was like, I don't really know what I can offer to your audience other than like, don't know. Don't

do what I did in a lot of ways, like starting a business and like just being so excited. It's just like my nature to be like, I can do anything, like anything I put my mind to. I can make it work. But like I had no business background. I had no like accounting understanding. Like I didn't know anybody that had a business to mentor me. Like I just jumped in and I think I made a lot of mistakes. But like my trading secret or my advice to somebody that wants to start their own business.

is like one, you 1,000% can do it, no matter what your background is, but get your shit together. If you can say that, like, I think I would have saved myself a lot of like fear and like, I think I do have anxiety about a lot of like, like money things just because I don't know that much about it. And so my first year, I was spending business expenses out of my personal account. And I didn't even have a business account until six months into making money with my business. And it's like if I had just like sat down whether it is like doing more research up front or taking a business class like a entrepreneurial class at a local community college like there's so many things that you could do just to like prepare yourself before jumping in and I wish I had done

that just to save myself the anxiety everything has been fine I've been able to manage everything I'm save a lot of money and like try to be smart but like my suggestion to somebody is like don't let not knowing something stop you from starting, but just get your shit together and like just, you know, do a little research before and have a good like CPA and like have somebody that just can walk you through the financial steps behind the scenes because you can make a lot of money,

you know, working for yourself and have a really happy, joyous life, which has been my goal. But sometimes there's anxiety that comes with starting your own business. Yeah. Get your shit together. Get your shit together.

I like that train secret. I like the other part of that too, which is like, If you want to do something, don't let intimidation of lack of knowledge or education or others, like stop you. Give it a shot. Dive in. And even if you don't have your business account set up for six months, or you screw up your expenses,

guess what? You're going to figure it out. And it's better trying to figure it out than not starting anything and being eight steps behind. I also think a trading secret I learned from you today is like find the light. I think like that's a big, very applicable in business. It's like even like when you were down and out, you had to give the $2,500 bucks back. You didn't know what's going on. You're like, you found whatever it is, I think you need people.

need to hold on to, whether it's like a spirit or a religion or just the confidence in themselves being like, this is my book. I know it's going to work out. Because no, like I don't, I don't do that and that's a good one. Like find the light in times where it's dark because someone's got to stay optimistic. And that changes your behavior and your confidence and everything else. Absolutely. And also like every book I've ever read about like the top CEOs, the people who are the best and everything. It's like they have been so much lower than me. They've been so much more in the negative than me like nobody starts and is just like at the top you have to fail a lot to like figure it out and if you don't fail like you're not going to go anywhere that's the biggest thing that i think

i've learned through doing all this is like the top of the top they've been so low i just said last episode on this podcast we've had sharks from shark tank actors a rod hall of famers we've had billionaires on this podcast one common denominator every person that's come on a mic in some capacity has fucked up. Some capacity has hit rock bottom, got fired or something. The big common denominator with every guest is that they find a way to pivot and use that rock bottom as a trampoline to the next thing, right? Where a lot of people, I think, get stuck in it and just can't wheel their way out.

Well, Justin and Susie, as a couple. Thank you guys. So I kept you longer than I expected, but I could have talked to you all day. Thank you guys for trading your secrets, being on trading secrets. I'm so excited for what you have coming. Where can everyone find what you have coming? We'll start with you, Justin. Go to Susie.

Instagram is at Justin Glase and TikTok is at Justin underscore Glaze. Okay. And for this new venture, when it comes out, we'll just find it on your channels. Yep. Okay. Be prepared for that. We'll be watching. Susie.

So for me, you can find me on Instagram, Susie C. Evans, my YouTube, which I've been doing a lot more on, it's Susie was like. And that's kind of all my other socials as well. So that's my TikTok. My blog is susie was like.com. And that's where you can find me and follow along. Go give them a follow. I said this on the Jason Tells All episode.

We went over Insights for the last 90 days. Four million people interacted with my account and didn't follow. Crazy. That's nuts. Give us a follow. Go give Justin a follow. Go give Susie a follow. And thank you guys for tuning into another episode of Trading Secrets.

I can't wait to have you guys back in a couple of years. Yeah. Thank you. Money playing on me Making that money Money living that dream Making that money Money, money

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