Trading Secrets - Countess Luann de Lesseps tells all! From working as a nurse to becoming TV Guide’s #1 housewife, the $ecrets behind RHONY, Crappie Lake, her iconic Cabaret plus her other entrepreneurial ventures

Episode Date: December 11, 2023

This week, Jason is joined by reality star, singer, model, actress, philanthropist, and author, Luann de Lesseps! Luann was featured in the first 13 of 14 seasons of the Real Housewives of New York City and fan couldn’t get enough. She transformed her career as a nurse into becoming one of Bravo’s biggest stars, so big in fact, that she was named the number one housewife by TV Guide, surpassing all 46 housewives across the franchise cities. She has gone on to start her own Cabaret show “Countess and Friends” and her most recent television project, Luann and Sonia Welcome to Crappie Lake premiered on Bravo and Peacock.  Luann gives insight to how her fans inspired the name of her next tour, when she knew she became a household name, the journey of creating Cabaret and how it has adapted over the years, how she got into modeling, acting in Italy, how manifestation plays a role in confidence, a moment that truly stands out to her while working in unscripted TV, and the business plan behind starting Cabaret. Luann also reveals what has been the most lucrative for her, how she felt when she found out that the how was getting a full reboot, how people have missed opportunities because they haven’t followed their instincts, how she came up with Fosé and what happened to it, and how she is always moving forward. Did she have any hesitation in joining the show? How does she feel about Bethany Frankel’s movement on reality TV? Who does she have in common with Kristen Chenoweth, Bette Midler and Barbara Streisand? Luann reveals all that and so much more in another episode you can’t afford to miss!  Host: Jason Tartick Co-Host: David Arduin Audio: Declan O’Connell Guests: Luann de Lesseps Stay connected with the Trading Secrets Podcast!  Instagram: @tradingsecretspodcast  Youtube: Trading Secrets Facebook: Join the Group All Access: Free 30-Day Trial 

Welcome back to another episode of Trading Secrets. I'm your host, Jason Tardick, and welcome to the pre-market trading segment. I'll tell you a little bit about our guest, something you should know going in this week, and a little update for my personal life. So today, we have the one and only, the Countess Luann. from Real Housewives of New York City. Now, if you don't know what a Countess is, just wait until the recap, because David goes full curious Canadian mode. We talk all things, Real Housewives of New York City.

But the interesting thing about Countess Luann is the way that she has transformed her career. She has a full cabaret that she sells out not only nationally but internationally. She has businesses, books, other TV shows. We're going to hear her take on Bethany Frankel, her relationship with her. Andy. How much did she get paid the first season? How much did she get paid the last season? All the dollars and cents, all the steps in between. But I think no matter what you do for a living or where you're at, there's something you can take away from Luann. Her confidence, her energy, she is so well spoken, and her ability to manifest and create things and bring them to a reality.

And I felt like at times I could add a notepad out just taking notes on the lines she was dropping because they were just filled with value and peace and positivity. And I think a lot of grace because she's gone through it a little bit, you know, two divorces. She's seen high, she's seen lows, and you're going to hear all about those. Now, something you should know going into this week. It's a big week. We're talking a lot about interest rates out here, right? Well, interest rates are at all-time highs. You guys know that. There's a little bit of chit-chatter that

rates may come down. What does that mean to you? If rates come down, the price of real estate is going to rifle to the top because the cost of money becomes lower. Right now, real estate's taking a little bit of a hit because the cost of money is higher. Now, one of the things is we know that saving the price of real estate right now, especially residential, is that there's such limited supply. So supply is limited. As a result of limited supply, when demand goes down because the cost of money goes up, price of the real estate isn't taking a big of hit as it likely would if supply was greater. So this week, the Federal Reserve will issue its latest interest rates decision. Now, it's expected that they will do nothing. It's expected there will be no interest rate hikes.

But most importantly, the Fed chair will have to take questions following its two-day meeting. And the questions will be interesting because everyone's going to ask what I brought up. How he will respond will be very telling and we'll have a huge impact on how the market reacts this week. And we'll have a huge impact on how the market reacts this week. Now, another thing to pay close attention to this week is the consumer price and producer price indexes come out. and those will give market watchers an indication on how inflation is moving. So those are big things to go in this week. A little update for my personal life.

Whoa, it was a week. It was in Austin, Texas for Sergio and Angela Garcia's non-for-profit, interviewed with Chris Harrison. If you haven't listened to that podcast, go check it out. And then it was in New York City for work back in Nashville. Now this week, I'm heading to New York City, getting a LASIC eye procedure done. So that will be very interesting. If you do listen to the Chris Harrison podcast, I mean, a little personal update. I get very emotional.

It's interesting. I've been thinking a lot about what sparked the emotions. And I think what sparked the emotions was when he asked me about the breakup, my memory went to that day, went to that moment. And when I think about that moment, I think about that day, I get really sad for the person that was sitting there. there myself. And I think that's a lot of the wave of the emotions. There's obviously a lot of grieving and love and so many other things tied to it. But I really do think it's connected to the feeling I felt that day that I'll never forget. So if you haven't had a chance, go check that out. To side of me, I can promise you you've never seen. And that's a little bit it. So make sure to follow, subscribe, check us out on Instagram, give us five stars. We're only

almost at 5,000 reviews, and let's ring in the bell with the one and only, Countess, Luann. Welcome back to another episode of Trading Secrets. Today, we are joined by reality star, singer, model, actress, philanthropist, and author. And let me tell you what, there's a lot more than that, but I had to stop so I get through the intro, Luanne De La Ceps. She can do it all. Luann was featured in the first 13 of 14 seasons of the Real Housewives of New York City, and fans couldn't get enough. She transformed, formed her career as a nurse into becoming one of Bravo's biggest stars. So big, in fact, that she was named the number one housewife by TV guys, surpassing all 46 housewives across the franchise

cities. She has gone on to start her own cabaret show, Countess and Friends, and her most recent television project, Luanne and Sonia, Welcome to Crappy Lake, premiered on Bravo and Peacock in July 2023. I know my mom and I watched every bit of that. Luann, thank you so much for joining us on Trading Secrets. Hi, it's nice to be here. You are a trailblazer, girl. What haven't you done? Oh my gosh, right? Well, I've, you know, never worked at a supermarket, although I would love to. The list is short. I've never been a bartender. You know what? Maybe that'll be your next show. What has Luan not done? Right. And you have to go like serve in these roles. Won't the countess do? I love that.

I want to kick off with this because we're going to go down your career track and all this stops and strategies and branding. And I want to go there. But I know you have exciting news because you are taking your tour to Alberta. I believe Edmonton and Calgary, right? Yes, I am. I'm super excited. You know, my parents are Canadian. And so it's great to be back in Canada.

I've already done Toronto. And now I'll be in Calgary, the 15th at the Great Eagle Events Center. Okay. On the 15th. And on the 16th of December, I'll be at. at the River Creek Resort and Casinos. So, yeah, so there's a big casinos. And then, you know, I kick off a new tour on 2024,

inspired by my fans called Mary F-Kill, and that's debuting at the Wiltern, February 16th for Valentine's Day. Perfect time for a little, we want to marry. Mary F-and-Kill, yeah. I like, I mean, do you have one on the top? You're like, do people present you three, and then you have to name who you'd marry F-and-Kill, or do you guys come up with it?

Okay. So this happened to me at 54 below, where I started my cabaret career in 2018, a fan asked me, she said, okay, Mary F. killed David Letterman,

Brad Pitt or Andrew Dice Clay. Okay. Now, Andrew Dice Clay, I know the name, but I didn't know he was a comedian or, et cetera. So anyway, so I said,

well, I'm going to marry David Letterman because he's funny and he's rich. Okay. I've never been a big fan of Brad Pitt. So I'm like, I'm going to kill Brad Pitt.

And I'm going to F. Andrew Dice Clay. And she goes, good, because he's standing right behind me. Oh, my God. He's nailed it. Andrew Dice Clay.

place dance up and he's like, you know, with a cigarette hanging out of his mouth, I fucking love you, condos, you're amazing. You know, and then he ended up hanging out in my dressing room after with, with his fiance, and that's how he ended up there. Okay, I was going to say, did you guys go on a date? Right now, he's a big, she's a big fan, and that's how he wound up at the show, and then we ended up having the same agent, and, you know, so, yeah, that's really has been my inspiration, because every cabaret show I do a Q&A.

Okay. Because my show's very immersive. I mean, it is a full-on party. It is pop culture or meets. Cabaret meets comedy. And, yeah, so. Let's do a Mary F kill just for fun here. Let's go, right?

Let's throw George Clooney up there. Okay. Let's throw Leonardo Caprio. He's come back on news for some interviews I've seen. And who's very hot on Netflix documentary now, David Beckham. Yeah, I'm going to have to marry Clooney. That's a good move. Right.

I mean, how could you not? I'm going to have to F as everybody else did. Leonard. You're killing David Beckham. I'm going to have to kill you. kill David. Not into soccer guys. All right. There we go. Note it. All right. So where can people get tickets for the Alberta? They can find out all the information for tickets and what's going on with new shows, et cetera, at countess Luann.com. Okay, guys, go check that out. And I'll tell you this,

get ready to party because Canadians, my ex was a Canadian. And those Edmontons and Calgaryans, they can throw down. Oh my God. They are going to bring the energy for you. I am so ready. Okay. Well, we're going to go back all the way to 2008. We had Ramona Singer on the podcast. I talked to her a little bit about negotiating with Bravo. How do you know how much you should get paid when nothing really exists and there's not really a benchmark? This is what she said.

I want your response or your take based on her comment. Here we go. I'm negotiating for 7,500 an episode, right? But then I walked away. Because I go, what do I need this for? I'm already social. I'm famous with my friends.

I have a great career. I have a husband of social. I don't need this stuff. And then like a little light bulb went off my head, like ding, ding, ding. I convinced my ex-husband to do true faith jewelry with me. I said, if you promote and showcase true fake jewelry, then I'll do the show. They agreed, and I did the show. Then this is the worst part. Jill Zarin and the other people

were so jessling to do the show. They agreed to do all six episodes for only $7,500. What? Yes. So that's what Ramona said that she was trying to negotiate for the big bucks and the crew kind of screwed her over with negotiations. What's your take on that going back all the way to the start? Oh, my God. In the very beginning, we got paid $10,000 for the season. The first season of the show. And you know what? To tell you the truth, I really don't remember, like, what we got paid, like, the second season. But, you know, after it became so successful, we started to get agents and lawyers involved.

And so the negotiating was really done through them. But obviously, it, you know, landed on us to be more aggressive or not. So, yeah. So it's an ensemble cast, so it's really hard that one person makes more than the other because if one person opens their mouth, you know, the other one, we're in trouble. So, yeah, and then, you know, finally in the end, after 13 season, we, you know, we did pretty well. So from the 10,000 you guys grew it, how did you know what season, like your brand took off? Like that, Luanne was like a household name.

You know, I have to say probably after money came out, money can't buy a class, which is, you know, was just used for an Uber Eats campaign. Yeah, which is so cool. It is so crazy, right? That song, you know, that song came about, you know, and I won't tell you what a housewife that's about. But it really came about through my manners and etiquette book because, you know, I lived in Europe for a long time and I came back to the States. And even my kids were like, Mom, the kids in the cafeteria are like throwing food. And they let spaghetti drip out of their mouth. It's disgusting.

So, you know, I was inspired because just, you know, the difference between kind of European lifestyle and the American lifestyles. Yeah. And so when I produced, when I can't buy you class, it was produced really from my book. Yeah. You know, elegance is learned. Yeah. You know, money can't buy you class. You know, all these catchphrases that I have were in my book.

And it was really the basis of my music. I really based a lot of my music off of the show and my experience, you know, like sheik-seillevi and feeling Giovanni from that famous night where I got heckled on the stage and to, you know, Viva la Diva. because, you know, I believe that we all have that inner diva. It's finding it and living it. We all have it. I believe that. And it's funny how something that you created then can still be so relevant today. With some of the things that you've done, there's been, it seems such intention and strategy.

When you think about the songs, the cabaret, the book, talk to me a little bit about in the cast of real housewives, how and what your thought has been with differentiating from a business perspective. Because to be number one of all 46 and the many more today into still 15 plus years being one of the most relevant, one of the most talked about, tell me about what that business model looks like behind the scenes for Luann. Well, you know, I'm a go-getter. You know, I take chances. I put myself out there. When I started Cabaret in 2018, you know, I put together what I thought was missing, like

a variety show of sorts. So it was Countess and Friends, and I used to have a lot of guests like Lance Bass has been on in my show, Rachel Dratch from Saturday Night Live. I've had some amazing guests. And then, you know, I realized that I could do this on my own without having guests. And, of course, it's very expensive to fly people out, everybody in hotels, et cetera. So I didn't realize when I created, now it's Countess Cabaret, that I was really creating a void in the marketplace for a cabaret. There's really nobody doing cabaret anymore. It used to be Liza and it used to be Chita Rivera, you know, Lucie Arnaz.

Lucernez is still performing. But, yeah, so I created something that didn't really exist because I'm passionate about music. And, you know, and how that started is, a friend of mine said, you know, Lou, you love to sing for your friends. You love to entertain and you love to tell jokes. Yeah. You know, I've got news for you. You should be doing cabaret. And in the meantime, you know, I got married.

I got divorced. I was busy. You know, I've kids. You forget I'm a mother. And so I just really, things kind of came to me. Like, even the show came to me. I was at a party. I met Jill Zaron.

She's like, hi, I'm Jill Zarin with that red hair in her accent. I was like, I've never met anybody like her in my lifetime. Meet my, meet Bobby. My husband, Bobby, Bobby, Bobby, you know. And daughter, Ellie. Exactly. So I had never met anybody like that in my life. And she said to me, you know, I'm doing this TV show and I think it would be perfect for it.

So the show kind of came to me, you know, entertainment is really part of my background. I don't know if you know this, but I used to work for Italian television, for Berlusconi. You're modeling too, right? I was modeling so. So what happened is I was a nurse in Connecticut. I got involved in the Miss Connecticut Beauty Pagent for USA,

which I just judge. So it's like full circle for me, right? It's like that was amazing for me. Anyway, so I didn't do well at the beauty pageant at all, but there was a scout from a model agency. that said to me, you know what? You can make a lot of money as a model in New York.

So I entered this small model competition in Hartford, Connecticut, and I won. And the first place was a photo shoot in New York with a professional photographer. So, you know, by taking this chance going into this contest, I knew I was not going to do well.

I got convinced by a girlfriend. I was just happy being a nurse, you know? Yeah. So that, you know, I had a bad breakup, and I think that really catapulted me to New York. I think a lot of times, We do things out of love and loss. Do you what I mean?

We move. We change because either we love somebody or we lost somebody, you know? Exactly. So that was my big opportunity to get to New York. Now, at 23, I'd never been to New York City. And I lived in Connecticut. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. So I went to New York.

I did the model shoot thing. And I ended up getting booked from this one photo where it looks kind of like Jacqueline Smith back then. And then that evolved into all the models talking about Milan and Paris. and I was like, well, I want to go to Milan in Paris. So I've really always lived by the seat of my pants. Kind of face fear in a big way. I moved to Milan.

I didn't know anyone. I had one phone number. I didn't do well in modeling. And I ended up meeting Agon Furstenberg at a party who is Diane Furstenberg's Prince Furstenberg wife. And he came to me at the party and he goes, what are you doing in Milan? I said, well, I'm trying to model, but it's not going very well. He goes, you should work in television.

Meet Johnny Mangonelli. Johnny Mangunelli. Come to Rome and next week. I give you a job. And I look at my friend and at Egón, Firsta Burger, and he goes, go. So I did. I took a flight to Rome. Okay.

By myself, I went to meet these producers. Yeah. And I got, I became the Van of White of Italian television. That is incredible. Crazy. And then I ended up, I realized if I could speak Italian, I could go really far. So I studied Italian. Okay.

I speak Italian fluently. And I ended up becoming the, a co-host of my own show on soccer with somebody who was like Bob Hope of Italian television. So I became a huge star in Italian television. What a bizarre turn of events. I know. And then I went skiing with my Italian boyfriend to Switzerland.

And I'm at the count. Wow. And I married him two weeks later. And I left my career. Wait, stop. That's, wow. Okay. A lot of action.

So that is a wild road. I would expect nothing less from you. I want to take a couple stops because we do talk a lot about financial transparency in this podcast. The modeling. You said it was tough. For modeling, how does it work? You get booked by a brand, and then they'll pay you a certain dollar amount for a shoot.

Like, how does the economics of modeling work? So, you know, typically you have an agency, you know, and they try to book you. You know, they'll send out your headshot. You have to go on goosies, what they call gocies. You have to show up to the client. Half the time, you love this. I used to get jobs because I was a nurse. So I was model slash nurse and not model slash actress or waitress, you know.

And so, like, I would get, like, the Newport cigarette ad that was shooting in Colorado, skiing, you know, because they wanted to take along the nurse, you know. But, you know, my roommates, one was in finance and the other one was in real estate. They would say to me, Lou, there's thousands of models in New York. What makes you think you're going to get the job? Right, right. And I'm like, well, because I'm just as good as everyone else. Why shouldn't I get the job? I love that.

Right? If you don't think you're hot, nobody else will. Yeah. And I talked to someone that's in, that was in the Miss USA page in 2020, 23. and they had told me, I believe, and correct me from wrong, for Ms. USA, you were in charge of judging their confidence in presence on stage. Is that correct? Well, yeah. I mean, it's overall. I mean, overall, overall. Yeah. So that for people back home, they don't, a lot of majority of people really struggle with exactly what you just said.

They struggle with believing themselves. Their nurses right now listening to this podcast that struggle with finding their next shot, having fear in the way. What type of advice do you have for those people? Where do they find their confidence? if they have no idea where to go. Well, I'm a big believer in manifestation and meditation. And you have to make it happen. I mean, life is a cabaret. I write my own story.

And people, I think, out there, if they have a passion, whatever it is, they love to do. When you do something with heart, you're generally going to win. And I feel like if you're overthinking it and not following your gut and your instinct and following your heart, things don't generally go as well. Right. And I think being fearless, taking chances. Young girls will say to me, you know, how can I meet a guy? Like, how can, how is that going to happen? I said, well, travel. Yeah. You know, learn language. Get out of your comfort zone and try something different and take a chance. That's a good piece of advice. Yeah, truly. And I feel like being interested makes you interesting. Yeah, that's another great piece of advice. And the minute you think you're ripe, you're already rotten because you never know enough. I never know enough. Those are three trading secrets right there. The minute you stop. growing the minute you've lost yourself because all of us can grow no matter how far successful we've come you talk about taking chances talked a little bit about your negotiation for real house wives in new york was there any hesitation for you to go on the show once it was presented to you of course there was i mean you know at first they called it manhattan moms okay because i think if i saw

the housewives of ocee don't forget i'm married to a french aristocrat at this point yeah i got two small children. I have a big life. I'm living between Europe and the states, you know, in the Hamptons. And so if I had seen the O.C., I don't think I would have ever done the show. Okay. Interesting. Well, that's good to know, and I'm glad you did it. So I'm sure you are as well. It all paid off. It did all pay off. And I have no regrets. One of the things we talk about, too, is the idea of love and profession. Just tragedy and triumph. So within our personal lives, things happen. Divorces, setbacks, breakups. In your if you look at your entire career through those times, did you find that those tragedies

propelled you or brought you away from your success? And for someone right now that's listening to this that's going through a tough time personally, but it's still trying to focus on propelling their profession or financial situation forward. What do they do in those times of distressed? Because you've experienced them a couple times, a few times. Oh, yeah. Oh, boy, I've been, you know, I've had my ups and downs, that's for sure. You know, you just have to keep on standing up. Do you remember that there used to be this blowup doll that was weighted at the bottom? Oh, yeah. You used to hit it down. To hit it and it would just stand right back up. Yeah, yeah, yeah. I just feel like, you know, you have to keep standing back up. You have to keep on trying.

And I think persistence pays off. I think sometimes you have to get out of your own way and lead with your heart and, you know, manifest what it is that you want to do. Yeah, I like that. All right, you're one of the most longstanding individuals that have been an unscripted TV. If you think about years that you've been involved still to this day. When you look at the financial aspect of it, what do you think if you talk to 2008, Luann, what would you tell her was your financial high through this period? Like a moment that you'll never forget, either you got paid to do something or it was a episode or it was a big deal. It was like the financial high through this crazy profession of unscripted TV. I have to say one that really stands out to me is when I got a

call from Natalie Cole's team. Okay. And they said, Natalie Cole wants to be on the show and she wants to sing with you. I was like, blown away. And so that's a moment that I will never, ever forget. In my cabaret, I sing L-O-V-E and memory of the great late Natalie Cole. So, yeah, no, and it's just, you know, there's been so many great opportunities from that moment until, you know, yesterday when the Uber Eats campaign came along and, you know, money can buy you

classic can buy you a gift on Uber Eats, you know what I mean? Which is so cool. I would have never imagined that this song I wrote in 2009 comes to fruition these years. Well, it's playing in clubs. It's, you know, people love it. People, you know, sing it in my audience, you know, for my cabaret shows. People sing along. I don't sing a song that the audience doesn't know. Yeah. So it's really kind of an all, you know, inclusive show and immersive. So everybody feels like they're a part of it. That's pretty cool. You know, so, you know, so, you know, financially, you know, look, I would love to be in syndication, but reality stars are protected like that. Yeah. And our show is worldwide syndicated. It is. You know, and so is Crappy Lake.

So, you know, maybe there's hope for reality there. So when you talk about reality, you brought the conversation up. I of course have to bring it up. We all know where it's going. We've seen Bethany Frankl's movement on reality TV. Do you have an opinion? Do you agree with some of what she says? Do you disagree with it? What's your overall take? Well, my overall take is I don't think she's wrong about, you know, protecting reality stars, you know. We started in a day where, you know, it was not the same, you know, it's definitely not the same thing. So I totally get that part. I just don't get the part where she's going after Andy, you know, who really launched her career.

I mean, you know. Interesting. That part I don't like. Yeah, okay. There's also an interesting dichotomy there because she still has to produce a podcast. Yeah, and talk about us. Right. Which is ridiculous.

If you think about it, there's a lot of moving parts there. Yeah, she dishes about us all the time and now she just can't stop talking about us. Yeah, exactly. All right. Well, let's talk about the economics of some of the stuff you've done, right? So you have a new show out now. You've done Real Housewives. You have a book.

You have songs. Which, when you think about the different career moves you've made from the show or off the show have been the most lucrative? My Cabaret career. Really? Definitely. Interesting. Yeah. So Cabaret has been more lucrative than Real House.

Well, when you say outside of housewives, outside of housewives, okay, got it's definitely cabaret and my continuing success on TV shows. So Crappy Lake came about, of course, because of Sonia and I and our relationship. The producers of The Simple Life originally and all the Kardashian shows, Jeff Jenkins' productions actually produced Crappy Lake. And they came to the franchise and said, who do you have for us? And they, you know, out of all the 499 housewives they have. I am. They picked Lou and Sonia. It's like the Laverne and Shirley. We even have the same initials.

So I would say, you know, continuing my work in television, definitely, and to ultimate girls' trip, which is coming out December 14th on Peacock. And Crappy Lake is still streaming on Peacock. So outside of television, Cabaret has really been the most lucrative. Okay, two things while we're on that. Crappy Lake, will it get renewed? What is the process of that? Well, listen, we, I've heard there's rumblings that.

that it will continue, but we don't have any confirmation on that yet. Okay, gotcha. And when you go into a show like that and you're negotiating for your own show, are you, it's got to be so different than being a real housewife. Like, are you talking about like negotiating production rights and like, how does that change when it's your show? Just two of you guys. Well, you know, you have to have a success out of the gate and Crappy Lake was successful. Yeah. So coming back, if there's another season, Obviously, there's a lot of production that goes in for me. I mean, I produced an entire variety show with the townspeople in Benton, Illinois. Sonia and I did.

And so I hope there is room there for us to get some acknowledgement. And, you know, that's really an agent at this point. Okay. Gotcha. So you stay away from all the negotiations. Oh, yeah. I let the big boys handle that. But then do you give the big boys like a target?

Sure, of course. Okay, gotcha. Now, because tell me if this is anywhere close. There's an article out there that says now it costs around $20,000 for you to make an appearance on Real Housewives in New York. Is that article anywhere close to reality? You know, I don't know because I've never made an appearance. I've always been a cast member.

That's incredible. So, you know, I don't know. Where do they get this information? I have no idea. We have no idea. But here we are. All right, I think that what's really cool, we talked a little bit about this before the show. you said it's been the most lucrative move for you outside of Real Housewives, the whole

cabaret. I mean, no one has done anything like it. You created it from scratch. When you started the cabaret, how does the business model start? Do you have to front all the money? Do you have someone that fronts it for you? Are you just taking a shot at each event? Tell me about starting at the business plan behind it. Well, I started it in New York and I was at the time, I had a couple creatives that were working with me that decorated the stage. You know, I used to have, for Christmas, I'd have a salet and Christmas trees and the whole thing. And if not, I had my dressing table with the big mirror and a shez, you know, for me to lounge on kind of set pieces. And then as the show got bigger, you know, I couldn't travel with all this stuff, but I used to order things and have them

deliver to the theater. So I front all the money. Okay. Okay. My agent will go out and pitch venues, et cetera. So I've run all the money. I have a crew of eight people. I have a director, Richard J. Alexander, who directed Kristen Chenwith. He's directed and Bet Midler and Barbara Streisand. So I have one of the most amazing directors, Richard J. And I have a great agent, Rich Super, and I have my team. You know, I have my band, I have my musical director. I have my assistant travel with me. I have a makeup artist that travels with me. And so it started small. And then Richard J. Alexander came to my show. The director, he was the mentor

of my then director, Ben Rimmelauer. And he came to the show and he goes, Countess, you blew my mind. First of all, you can sing. Second of all, you're funny as shit. And third, you wear a dress like no woman I've ever seen. You're going to be a big star. This is not a gay show.

This is for everyone. And you're going to go big with this. And I was like, oh, wow, okay. And, you know, he found me an agent. And before I knew it, I was on a live nation. tour. Damn. Yeah.

And it was Countess and friends. Okay. And I had all these guests. And then, of course, after COVID and all that, you know, I realized and my director was like, no, no, no, no. This is your own show now. You don't need all these people. And financially it was, you know, costly to travel with all these people.

Of course. Et cetera. So that's when I started, it became Countess Cabaret. Okay. You know. Got it. How long did it take for you to make up for the money that you had to put up front? And how much money did you have to put up front to start it?

Well, you know, a show for me with the band and travel and hotels, you know, we're talking like at that time, probably like, it depends on the venue too. Some venues pay for hotels, like casinos pay for the hotel, pay for the rooms and stuff like that. Sometimes I get a travel, you know, budget. So it really depends. But, you know, I'm spending like somewhere in the 10K area to get everybody where they have to be and to put on a show. Then the revenue is obviously generated from, I would assume, merch sales and ticket sales, correct? Yeah, ticket sales and, yeah. And then are you able to, in a structure like that?

Can you negotiate food and beverage or is that? Oh, they usually have a stipend for that. Okay. And or a casino will feed us, et cetera. Okay, gotcha. Well, that's just another point to go get your tickets, Calgary and Edmonton, step your game up. You're going to be there rocking it. And if you haven't seen it on TikTok, you got to see, you throw some of those videos out there, those

reels of you performing. Oh, yeah. I like, you know, I do, I do like David Bowie. I do all the songs that I love. And, you know, it's funny because I have a really young audience because their mother, they grew up with, you know, watching with Mommy. And so, and Mommy knows all the songs that I know. So guess what? They know all the songs that I know, which is amazing.

And I love my fans. You know, they show up for me. They come dressed in sequins and Giovanni and stape and necklaces. You know, they show up for the countess. And I love that. And it's totally different. You know, I've had fans that. have gone to Beyonce and they're like, we had a better time at your show because they're connected

to me. Yeah, the community. I actually talk to me. You know what I mean? They can, because I do a Q&A with the audience. You know, I refer to the show. They, they know each other already in the audience because they have that common thread of housewives. So my fans will go out together. They meet at my shows and then they hang, they make new friends. It's, it's amazing. I have to say, it's really amazing. I'm going to push you in a tough position here. Okay. You got Mary Fuck Kill coming up. Sorry, F, Barry F-Kill. I'm going to do a couple of your businesses, and you've got to marry F-and-kill. Oh, okay, got it.

Right? Okay. So, welcome to Crappy Lake, the cabaret. And then what I'll say is, I'm going to put these in the same category, the singles and the book. So it's the singles in the book. Welcome to Crappy Lake and the cabaret. The toughest question. How are you going to do it?

How am I going to do it? Well, I'm going to marry the cabaret because it's my love. It's my love. I'm going to have to kill the music because I can make new music. Ooh, I like that. That's a good reason. And I'm going to F. Sonia and Crappy Lake. Now that's going to be a good clip.

Next season coming up. The renewal just got done. That's a teaser right there. Sonia and I become lesbian lovers. Yeah, I'll tell you what. That's another curveball. Let's go back a little bit to Real Housewives. The moment you found out that you guys were no longer going to be on the show and they're

going to do a total rebrand. Tell me about what that felt for you and how you were thinking through career steps of what would be next when you find that news out. Well, when I found out, I had already done Crappy Lake. So I was really excited about moving on from the housewives in any case. So, you know, it's interesting because I was like, I don't think I'm going to do another season. And you know what? I manifested it. Interesting. I'm aware to God. You're a manifesting machine. I'm a manifesting machine. Oh, what I wanted to say about manifestation is, you know what I listen to in the morning that I think people should know is I listen to positive affirmations.

Okay. You know, literally I wake up in a mood. Yeah. I say these positive affirmations, I mean, 10 minutes. So when you say you listen to them, what do you mean? On YouTube. I'll listen to positive affirmations on YouTube videos that people make or just the, you know, vocal, whatever. And by the end of this thing, I'm smiling from ear to ear.

Wow. And are you kind of repeating this stuff back to yourself? Yeah. I got to give that a shot. You got to give it a shot. I'm telling you. Yeah. Yeah.

So when I found out, I was not devastated. Yeah. I felt like I was cheated on. Sure. For sure. Yeah. It's like, what do you mean? And why you call it Roney?

I know. We're Roney. That's not what it is. You can't just give our name away. Yeah, yeah. Yeah. That was the only thing. And then, and then, you know, they wanted to do, you know, Housewives' legacy.

Yeah. They wanted to do Housewives legacy. Yeah. Yeah. So wanted to do a show. with our cast. Yeah. You know, it didn't pan out.

Yeah. Why is that? There was conflicts with negotiations and contracts. At that point, everyone had their own. At that point, everybody was like, you know. No one was working as a unit in an ensemble. Yeah. It was like, you know, we got a low ball.

And I was like, you know what? And I kind of moved on in my head already with Crappy Lake. And my big cabaret career. Yeah. So I really was like kind of ready. That sounds like you took it pretty well and you already had your next steps lined up. If you had to look at your peer group, who do you think from the peer group kind of took it the hardest.

I would say probably Sonia, because I think financially it would have been better for her to do both shows. True. You know what I mean? She's doing her shows, Sonia New City. Of course. And, you know, but I think she could have really used that cash. Yeah.

I think D is good. Ramon is good. Yeah. And at that time, you know, Jill Zarin was going to be along and that didn't pan out. And so there was so many reasons why that didn't happen. But I'm so glad that they came back to us with an ultimate girl's trip. And I thought to myself, it's ideal because you got us all for a week. Yeah, yeah, yeah.

A week is a no-brainer. We don't have to share our lives. It's quick. It's affordable. It's St. Barts. It's same barts. I mean, who doesn't want to get paid to go to St. Barts? Yeah, exactly.

So that really worked out well for me. And so I think, I think, yeah, that was a good move for them. Cool. You have, you wear a producer hat, creative hat, entrepreneur hat. I mean, literally every hat possibly you wear, when you look back. at what they did with Rony, knowing what you know now, what are your thoughts on that

business decision that they made? From a marketing producer. To be perfectly honest, I would have just brought some new people to our cast. That probably would have been back, right? That's just, you know, my opinion. But I think the new cast is great. I love the new Roney girls.

I think that people need to give them a chance. They're new, but I think they're all interesting. And I think they did a great job casting. and I think they did a great job with the show. I love it. All right, my next book that's coming out, it's called Talk Money to me. It's all about the marriage of love and money.

You've had a couple marriages. You've had a ton of success. You've married people with a lot of success. So I want to dive down your overall take about the concept of love and money. I'm going to first start with like a general question. Do you have any tips or tactics for relationships when trying to manage the two when it comes to two individuals,

people that are working, coming from money or bringing in money, just any overall general rules with 11 money through your years. Gosh, you know, I met the count, and he asked me to marry him five days later. That's wild, by the way. And we got married two weeks later. It took us two weeks to get it together. And we eloped in New York, actually.

And, you know, money was never, I mean, obviously he was doing well and living in Switzerland, but in a small apartment in Switzerland, you know. His father was ambassador to Monaco for 40 years. A lot of people don't know the history of the Deliseps, the, you know, the great-great-grandfather built the Suez Canal was responsible for that in the Panama Canal. Wow. He was the chief engineer and mastermind. That's no joke, yeah. And the family gave the Statue of Liberty to the United States for the French. So if you go to the Statue of Liberty

you'll see Ferdinand de Luseps all over the place because he's the guy that they Because he was so important in France at the time So people think I got the countess title From a Cracker Jacks box Which is not the case But you know, a lot of aristocrats are not very rich You know what I mean?

They hang around with people with money Okay, got I'm saying And everybody wants a prince or a count Or you know Or a lady lord, whatever Around so it sounds like he had a ton of money. So I didn't really marry him for money. I married him because I loved him. So, you know, I think like I said earlier, if you follow your heart, it's really hard to go

wrong. Now, together, we were the dynamic duo. You know, after we got married, you know, we built another house as parents died actually soon after we got married. Yeah. And we kind of took down the house. It was in an area in Stad in Switzerland, which was not the most expensive, not next to the palace hotel. Yeah. I said to Alex, you can't give this house away, you know, knock it down, let's build a big ass house and sell it and make some money. And that's really how we started to really have acquire some, some, some good cash. So yeah, the wealth thing. And then there were in a relationship like that, there wasn't a pre-nump. No. You didn't have time for free to become married. You didn't have time for a pre-dum. Are you kidding? No, I mean, we got married after two weeks and then before we

knew it, we had two kids. All right, let me ask you a personal question. So this is person, this is more of like you're going to teach us all. We live in a world where everyone is delaying marriage. Everyone's delaying everything. It's taking forever. What type of advice do you have for us for someone that was that decisive within 20 days? You know when you know. You do? I think you do. Okay. And I think what happens is we know our gut tells us what to do. Yeah. But then we get up in our head. And now more than ever, we overthink. And I always say, hop on the train or at least without you. And it's so true. I know so many people that have missed so many opportunities because they didn't follow

their instinct. I know. And they thought too hard about it. They procrastinated and they lost the opportunity. Yeah. You know, when that rogue comes and you go left to right, you better decide really quick. I think personally, I think that the longer you get into your head, the more messed up you get. That's why I'm a big believer in meditation.

And I love Joe Dispenza. Okay. If people don't know who Joe Dispense is, they need to look at it. him up because I actually just came back from an event of his, which is a week-long event where you go to the quantum field. I've actually been to the quantum where you can actually manifest your dreams and bring them back to a 3D reality. Okay. Wow. All right. Joda Spenza, meditation, positive affirmation and manifestation. It sounds like that's the triple threat and it is totally, totally works for it in every way. Well, this is where, you know, what's his name,

Robbins? Yeah. Tell me wrong. Yeah. You know, they're all, this is their philosophy. And it is true. Yeah. I asked a person yesterday, do you know what the quantum field is? They're like, not really. Yeah. Interesting. And it's actually there.

Yeah. And people don't know it. And, you know, it's, you have to find that door. Once you find the door, then you can actually open it and go in there. Wow. All right. So, while we're on the topic, where are we going next, man? What are you manifesting?

Oh, I'm going to Tulum. Where are we? That's the Mayan culture. I swear to God, that is a place. That's the spot. Where you can man-a-centered and you get centered. I'm connected to the earth. I spend most of my time in sand on the beach.

And, you know, I go to Bikini Boot Camp for a week. Kick your ass a little bit. Yeah, they kick my ass at the same time. It's just, you know, they have the best, like, spas, and you can go there and do the Smoke Lodge. Smoke Lodge. What do you want out of life professionally that you haven't already done or accomplished? What's next?

You know, my dream is, look, I'm a host, really. I host my own cabaret show. I love variety. I grew up watching Carol Burnett. My dream job is to be one of the hosts of late night. Really? Why shouldn't I? I love that. I love that.

I love that. And I do it all in any case. Yeah. I do it in any case on the stage. So why not bring it to television? All right. Well, again, we talk money here. When people come to your show, what can they expect price range per ticket?

There's a variety. There's meat and greet tickets and sitting up in front tickets. but affordable for everyone. So there's ticket prices for everyone. I like to make my show accessible to everyone. Okay, there we go. I got to ask you about a couple more businesses. The drink foset, rosé.

Tell me a little bit about how you got into that business and how it's doing. You know, during COVID, I was sober with my daughter, and we couldn't find anything in the market that we liked. That was elevated and elegant. And, you know, you'd ask for a sparkling water or he asked for Diet Coke, and right away, it's like, oh, she knows it's wearing water. of more. Yeah. You know what I mean? And there was nothing where you could say, oh, I'll take a bottle of Fosé. Yeah. Oh, I like that. So Faux. Okay. Fose. Foufer. Okay. Fosay. That's why

it made. It makes sense. And how's that business? And it was damn good, not good. Okay. Why is that though? Well, I lost my financial backing. Okay. Gotcha. You know, and and that's what really happened. And I didn't know enough about the business in order to take that on myself. Yeah. In the whole bottling, distribution. And it was like, a big a big deal okay so so unfortunately i had to let that one go now i'm working on jewelry jewelry yes that's which is a no-brainer especially when you do your shows you just i saw the last video you did dripping that's on tic-tok and i mean i was like how does that not weigh you down you had so much day of jewelry on it what's the jewelry business going to look like what does it cost to start

a jewelry line well i'm i'm doing a collaboration okay with the company and we're just still finalizing our contract. I'm hoping to get it on HSN or QVC. And really, it's like the faux diamond business. You know, making luxury, like what I wear, affordable for everyone. So everyone can feel like a countess. Oh, wow. You are a branding genius. All right. I got to step into branding then. One branding tip for people that don't know how to brand themselves. You know, I think being authentic to who you are, something that, you know, listen, I've tried. write a lot of things. And some stick and some don't.

Yeah. And I think to come out with one thing is important because if you have one thing that does well, then you're going to get a lot of other things. It's the momentum behind it. It's the momentum, the authenticity of the brand. And I think, you know, obviously the work that goes into, you know, creating it, finding the right partners, if you can't financially afford it. Yeah. Going on Shark Tank.

Yep. You know what I mean? Check that box. I haven't done that yet, but, you know, you never know. I think you need to add that to your list. You don't have to be a guest shark one of these days. Well, you know, who came to my show is Robert Hirschbach. Oh, wow.

Yeah, he came to my show in Toronto because I was in Toronto. I thought you're going to say Barbara. Yeah, I know. No, I would love to have Barbara Corcoran. The other thing I think you've done well, if you look at like all your business achievements and successes, you have the ability to think through something but then execute. A lot of people have the ability to think through things, but they don't execute it. They get stuck in paralysis.

What type of trading secrets do you have on execution? You know, I think it takes a team. I think you have to be surrounded by the right people that are supportive, whether it's financially or just to lift you up and keep you going. I think it really is about that and being persistent and really giving it a solid try. You know, if you don't try things, right? No guts, no glory, I always say. It is weird how so many people just don't, they think through it, but they just won't give

it a shot. It's the fear of everyone else. I don't think social media helps that either. Well, fear comes knocking and when fear comes knocking at the door, that's when faith has to answer. Yeah, absolutely. I think you need to write anything you need to like head up a boot camp or something. Right. Like, I think you could be a cold leader and I would sign up. All right. Oh, I know. I have a lot of good clothes. Don't have the good clothes. You do have the good clothes, the small cows. You're doing all that stuff.

All right. One thing I want to follow up with, we went with the financial high. you have a financial low. Can you think of a time where it was a tough moment or just a memory you don't remember or something maybe you're not proud of or an investment you lost on, a financial low through your wild run, which has been since 2008? You know, I think, you know, I was really upset that the Fosé didn't work out for me. I had a clothing line years ago. That, you know, was a grind and it didn't really work out for me. I just keep it moving, you know, keep on coming up with other. other things that I'm passionate about.

I was made a friend one season on The Housewives. Yeah, there you go. That was a contract thing. Talking about Ramona, you know, some of the girls signed a contract. And I said, oh, no, I'm not taking that. And then that's what happened to me. I got a little slap on the hand for that one. Okay, okay.

So, you know, I've had my moments, believe me. And, you know, and guess what? I wasn't used in the promo that year either. Interesting. And that was a real slap in the face for me. Yeah. And guess what? She came back.

Oh, she came back. I was not defeated. I said, do you know what? They're not going to defeat me on this one. And I came back as a regular cast member of the next season. So I didn't let that get in my way. Ego is something we need to check. Check.

Yeah. You know, ego can really damage people. That's why meditation is getting out of your ego and you're getting into that space where you do leave with your heart. So I can't emphasize how important that has been for me and manifestation. It does feel like a lot of real housewives, though, the epicenter of every disagreement feels like it's ego. Do you agree with that? Yeah, but not to say that ego doesn't get us to where we need to go. Yeah.

It's just checking your ego, make sure it's in the right place. So let the ego drive, but don't let it dominate. Exactly. Okay. Exactly. More wise words from the scientists. I mean, I think it too, we had A-Rod on, these top five and all strike-out batters in the world. There's only four of the people, entire planet that have played baseball that have struck out more than him.

But when you strike out, you find your successes, and we all know the achievement he had. Exactly. That reminds me some of the things that you just said. Right. All right, I got a question for you. I did say, for your first season, you said 10K. Can you give us any idea towards the end around how high it got? You know, listen, the housewives that have been around for a while, they're making well into the millions.

Per season. Damn, they're killing it out there. Unbelievable. Without giving you a solid number. Without getting a solid number. It's a six figure. And no contractual issues. It's in that range.

Seven figures. Seven figures in that range. Unbelievable. Will we see you back on Housewives again? Never say never. Never say never. Always say maybe. Oh yeah.

You know why? Because if you say no, it's no. If you say yes, it's yes. Maybe gives you the chance to change your mind. So if they come knocking and you open that door, it's going to be a maybe. Maybe. Can't mess with the countess. She's as sharp as they come.

All right, Luann, we've got to end with a trading secret. But before we do, one more time, someone wants to see your cabaret shows in Edmonton or in Calgary. Tell us the locations and where to go. One more time. Oh, thank you. It's December 15th at the Great Eagle Event Center, Casino, and the 16th and Anok at the River Creek Casino, a resort.

and then go to Countess Luann.com for my tickets and my new tour dates, which are coming up February 16th, kicking off in Los Angeles at the Wiltern where Madonna plays. I'm thrilled. I love it. Well, I already told you. My brother, who you said you do attract a gay crowd, he is a gay man, and he has come cheered you on before, and he had a great time. Fabulous. We might have to go to one of these shows. Oh, you have to. Get a little video out there. It'll be perfect for when we promote the podcast. All right, we need to get a trading secret from you, Luann. It's one trading secret that you can't find a textbook, can't learn from a professor, you can't Google or find in a YouTube tutorial,

even those positive affirmation YouTube's. We got to get it from you. Luann, number one, housewife by TV guide. What is the trading secret you can leave us with? Life is a cabaret. Oh, okay. And you write your own story. Okay. You know, as much as I was told, that life is not a cabaret, it's just not a cabaret. Well, guess what? It is. And it's mine. All right. For someone listening right now that's not familiar with cabarets, and they want you to tell me more. They say, tell me more what you mean by that. Life is a cabaret because what it means is is you really write your own story. Yeah. You know, it is up to you to put those words down. It is up to you to make that next move. It is up to you to decide. It's up to you to turn right or left. It's up to

you to jump on that train or it leaves without you. So that's all a part of what I mean when I say life is cabaret because it's up to you. I love that. And I think if you're back home right now listening and you feel that your story is being writ for you in any way or that you're not holding that pencil, this is a reminder. Life is a cabaret. That's right. Luann, thank you so much for being on this episode of Trading Secrets. Where can people find everything you have going on, your socials and all things, Loua. Well, it's Countess Luan on Instagram and countessloan.com for all of my dates and shows coming up and bio and all that good stuff. So Countess Luan.com. for all info. Check it out. Keep on meditating. Keep on manifesting. Keep dancing left and right and

singing that hard out. And we'll be watching from afar. Awesome. Thank you so much. Thank you for coming on. Pleasure. Ding, ding, ding. We are ringing in the closing bell to the Countess Luann episode. Luann was there to give us a lot of great advice, but was really, really tough with the numbers. And I've noticed that, David. I've noticed that with Bravo shows. They are so well and beloved. But lately, they're getting real tight with what they can talk about. But that said, David, the one, the only, the curious Canadian, it is so good to have you back on the recap. How are we doing today? We're doing great. It's so good to be back. I got to give a shout out to my boy, Joe and Ian Moore, crushing on the recap in my place. If I'm going to

be replaced by anybody on the recap, a couple Geneseo boys doing right in the world. You just love to see it. As far as Luan, I think you introed it perfectly. I mean, she went all about her new ventures or old ventures she brought us into the quantum world she's talking about you know gifting of statue of liberties and the suez and patima canal i mean we went everywhere so i'm gonna i think i'm going to take it back to my roots here jay if you don't mind and i'm going to go back to the true essence of the curious canadian because i don't watch real housewives right and there were some some things that were mentioned that i don't have a clue what they are so jay if you're comfortable with it i'm just going to give you a couple rapid fire curious

Canadian, voice of the viewer, I don't know what the hell is going on, fill me in type of questions. You get it with that? Yes, let's do it. Okay, fire me up. First of all, let's just start with the real housewives world in general. I like to think Jason Tardick's a household name with the real housewives. We've had a lot of them on right now.

You've got an opportunity to know a lot of them outside of just interviewing them. So I'm going to put you in the hot seat. You got to go into business with one real housewife, either OG original anyone in the real housewives world. Who are you going into business with and why? Oh, wow. David, that's a great question. You know what? Can I tell you a little secret? Oh, yeah. Trading secret. Trade a secret. Trading secret. It's going to the personal life. Anytime I have a real housewife, I have a secret goal that, like, I hope they hit on me. Oh, yeah. 100%. I'm like, if they give me one compliment or one time, I'm like, all right, good. We still got it. All right. So I'm going to go with Lisa Banderpump.

creator of Vanderpump rules, creator of the restaurants, absolute wild success at all directions, like the way she carries herself. She also is very good at when to step into challenge and when to take a step back, right? She's good with all the big networks. She's tied in tight with Andy. She knows how to play the game to a T and has been an extremely successful businesswoman doing so. And I think she's a good example for everyone that's out there. Lisa Vanderpump will be my pick. How about you, David? Well, I just got to ask you a quick question, too, with what you alluded to before. Who has, who do you think is flirted with you?

If you had to say, like, you got your goal accomplished, who's the biggest flirtatious vibes that you got from a, from a housewife? I'm not even saying flirtatious, but Jill Zerrin was very complimentary of me. And before her daughter had a boyfriend, she was trying to, like, set me up with her boyfriend. And the best part is her daughter's awesome, Allie. She was like, she did it before, like, she was there. And Ali's like, mom, stop. I love it.

Jill and Allie are awesome people. They're freaking great. We work with them on the agency, and I adore both of them. Yeah, I would say for my, I would say with the little that I know, Jill's there. And she just gave me the best vibe. So if I'm a vibe guy and I'm going into business, I want someone that I can be in the room with and be comfortable in the room with. So I would choose Jill.

Now, back to Luan, sorry, Countess Luan. And let me tell you, that's my first. I don't know what the hell is going on because you kept saying Countess, but then her name's when. I don't know what the hell a countess is. She alluded to it a little bit, but can you just pick me up here, Jay? I'm feeling a little on the dumb side, not knowing what a countess is. Okay. So let's just start with this. Account is essentially, think of like royalty. Yeah. It's like this historical title of having nobility in Europe. Okay. Okay. So it has to do with like status or a hierarchy of like political officials. But especially like it, this is

according to Wikipedia, especially in earlier medieval periods, the term often implied not only a certain status, but also that the count had specific responsibilities or offices. So you heard her talk a little bit about the fact that if you assume count means money, that's always not the case. It means power. It means respect. It means higher ranking. That doesn't always mean money. So that's the definition of count. What does countess? Well, that's our girl Luanne. That's a wife of a count. Right. So that is a countess. So how do you get to keep the, I mean, that's, look, let's call a spade of spade. There aren't that many people in the world that get a royal, you know, preamble to their name. You divorce that the count. How do you get to keep the countess?

That doesn't seem like it's very fair. That's that, like, it's interesting. I wish I would asked her that. I think it has something to do, probably once you have the name, the only way to lose the name is to be stripped of the name, right? Like, we know that Prince Harry and Megan Markle were stripped of their royalty. So I think they therefore lose technically their title of Prince. But I'll be honest with you, David, numbers and finance, that's my go-to. The establishments and hierarchies of royalty, I don't know. Well, one thing that's crazy, Mr. Count, whose family talked about Statue of Liberty, Panama, Suez Canal. He asked her to marry her five days and annoying each other.

Two weeks, they had a wedding. Obviously, no time for a pre-nup. Wonder if you can put a little count countess name drop in the pre-up. If things don't go south, you get stripped of it. I don't know. Yeah, I wonder if that's something to negotiate. That's also a wild topic conversation to get married within 20 days of meeting someone, especially for the world we live in.

This has me thinking, David. I'm going to ask the viewers back home, Princess Diana, there is a lot behind her career. her life and the dollars and cents. And in fact, she had so much success in fame and was so beloved by people. It actually became a detriment to her and which ended her life. I wonder if that's an episode at some point we should do a deep dive into Princess Diana. Oh, Ashley is a Princess Diana number one fan club, watch all the documentaries, read all the books. I mean, she's big time Princess Diana. So you'd have one subscriber hitting the smash on the like button on that one. back home, if you guys think that we should have a Princess Diane episode, please give us

five stars and let us know if we should. And remember, when you do give us five stars in a rating, you are entered to win something from the influencer closet. I'll also do a quick tease before we go back to Countess Luann. We are doing a health and wealth series in January, February. So new start, new you just get ready. There's going to be a wealth of information to change your life around. David, so what do you got? What else? Well, there's another word that kept coming up that I don't know what the hell it means, so I'm leading on you. Hopefully the people at home don't know what the hell it means. The word syndicated, talking about TV shows, talking about, she goes, I would love to be in

syndication, but reality stars aren't protected like that. And our show is worldwide syndicated. What is the word syndicated mean? Okay. In finance, what's interesting is like when we had a syndication deal, what it meant is a company was raising, let's say, a billion dollars, but that was too much money for one bank to take on at once. So like 10 banks would come to the table and all participate in it.

So think of the word like participating. I'm going to break it down in simpler context. Squid games. Squid games, we know the show on Netflix. They then created a Squid Games challenge show. So what did they do? They took the practice of those ownership rights and leased them to another production company who made a challenge show.

Let's talk about The Bachelor. You have the Bachelor franchise. When they take the Bachelor franchise and they take the content within that and then broadcast it to, you know, Bachelor Australia, that is the definition of syndication. So in broadcast syndication, this is again, according to online, it's the practice of content owners leasing the right to broadcast television shows and radio programs to multiple stations and radio stations without going through a network. So essentially, they're buying the concept and the content and they're leasing it and then creating

their own show with it. When you syndicate a show, that's when the big money comes in with friends. Once it got syndicated, that's when they're making the big bucks. So it's almost like if you think about in business, if you own equity in a company and the company sells for a big dollar amount, you're going to get a percentage of what it's sold for based than your equity. So she was saying it'd be nice to have syndication rights so that when it went international, they all would have got paid out. But none of them had syndication rights. That might be one of your best breakdowns of a curious Canadian question I've ever had. Now,

hit it to me straight. Should I have known what that meant? No. No, that's an unbelievable syndication question. And I'd be willing to bet most people back at home aren't familiar with it. And even with my definition, I'm not even specific with the exact nuances. I just know about it because when I hear TV stars, reality stars, people talk about, you know, syndication rights. That's my familiarity. Okay, love it. Great question, David. Moving on.

She was, she's obviously not on the Real Housewives anymore. We all know about the big shuffle and cast members that has happened in the last year or so. But she was talking how people on the show are making seven figures a season. Now, for someone, that's a lot of money. It's probably their main income. You know, she gets told she's not on the cast anymore. Are they all on one-year contracts? Are they getting any kind of severance or she just out of her.

absolute, as she alluded to, her main income. Yeah, I mean, David, I don't think there's any severance. That's not how this works, right? Like, how usually these contracts work. I can't speak to real houseworks. I could speak to what I know about other contracts that, you know, I've worked on or seen. They typically work in the period. And you'll hear this a little bit in Chris Harrison's podcast when he comes on, that you're signed to a certain period. And your contract will be in that period for that long. But there's almost always, there's almost always, there's almost always a clause in which they can cancel that at any moment. I just personally had this happen with a brand deal. It was a $10,000 deal, and the company out of nowhere canceled it before we

executed it because we had issues with timeline. Within the contract, they had that right, that they could cancel it at any point. So I would believe that's how it is with no severance. Now, the tough thing is, it's really tough to, like, get people to tell me what they made. We obviously heard Luann drop the seven-figure number, and you can go online and see different amounts out there, but it varies A to Z. But it does look like per season, some of the OGs, you know, we're making well into the six figures and even seven figures. And when you think about the rebranding, that's a whole lot of money to be paying for

reality TV talent. And I can imagine they probably said, hey, listen. and they're really, really good, but we also have a really good concept, and we can produce this show at a lower cost. That would be my guess without knowing much. Now, that makes sense. Now, for those contracts, is that, that, is that called an at-will contract, right? When you can just, we can terminate the contract either side at any time? Yeah, I think there's like, it's essentially like an at-will clause, or I don't even know the exact definition of it, but in every contract, it's very clear. Yeah, like at-will employment, that at their will, for any reason,

they can terminate the contract. And I think a lot of these reality contracts work like this. So, yeah, I mean, the leverage is pretty tight. All right. Well, she's obviously crushing it. Now she's had her, obviously, other than the show, her second biggest income is, what seems to be her passion right now is her cabaret shows. I mentioned a couple shows coming up in Calgary and Empton.

I was born in Calgary. I'll be in Calgary over the Christmas and New Year's for a tournament. So if it was around that time, I probably would have swung and gone because, you know, what, Jay, I don't know really know what a cabaret is. So she has the Mary F. Kill cabaret. She says that people say that they like going to her shows more in a Beyonce show because they're interactive and, you know, it's a community that's there.

Have you ever been to a cabaret show? I just imagine a cabaret show being like Broadway but not Broadway. I don't know. Like I just picture like, I don't know what it is. Like the Rockettes. Is that a cabaret? I think it's kind of a cabaret. I think, yeah, I think that's fair.

I would think about it like an intimate show in which there's a lot of stimulation, interacting with the crowd. There's, like she said, there's dancing, there's singing, there's comedy, there's Q&A. It's a mix of almost all forms of art in a very smaller space, and it's just a live form of entertainment. It has a lot of moving parts. The biggest connection I can make to cabaret, which I think most people would know, something tells me, David, you might not know, but would be the movie Moulin Rouge. Yeah. Like Moulin Rouge, that's a cabaret. The Moulin Rouge Broadway show. It's a definition of a cabaret. Have you seen Mulan Rouge?

No, I remember Christina Aguilera singing the song, though. How could we forget that? Yeah, I can't forget that. Fifteen years old, all hopped up on energy and testosterone. Remember that music video dirty when Christine Aguilera's in the ring? Yeah. That was like my first heartthrob. Yeah, a pair of assles chaps just swinging around in the water in the boxing ring.

Oh, of course. Yes. How could we forget? Etch, the Britney and Christina days, I mean, just take me back. That was simpler times, Jay. Simpler times. Simpler times. I remember I had the Brittany CD and I took the little pamphlet out, a little thumbtack, put it in the room.

Oh, yeah. I did it. I love Britney Spears Collage for my seventh grade art project and I got five out of ten and it was the best 50% grade I ever got my life. Team Britney. Simpler times back in the day. All right, we're going to end with this. And I don't think we have time to go into depth with it. But I'm curious more because I know you and I aren't really too familiar with how this works.

But I'm curious to kind of put it out there to any of our. viewers as well, but she talked about the quantum field, Jay, and one of the reasons why she thinks she's so successful and why she keeps finding herself into successes. She's really being into manifestation and meditation, which we've talked a little bit about on the show with a lot of our guests, but no one to the point where she was dead serious saying she goes into the quantum field and that's where she brings her dreams from the quantum into the 3D reality. I feel like when she said that as one of those things, you tried to like laugh because you didn't really know what she's talking about, and she was like, dead serious. So do you know anything about the quantum field

and what, if not, what can you ask our viewers of anyone who experiences with the quantum to, like, to enlighten us on? Because this is, I think, something we could go in the weeds about and it's very, very fascinating. Okay, so David, this gets extremely complicated and it has to do a lot with physics. But a high level definition is there's this things where quantum theory aligns with manifestation. And quantum manifestation is a combined effort, okay, and which are clearly visualized desires are collapsed into physical reality with assistance from the zero point field, ZPF. So if you want to know more about this, you're going to have to look into this. But essentially what it's saying is instead of forcing our way into a desired outcome, you know, taking a square

peg and jamming into a round hole, you're aligning your desire with the power of zero point field. And so quantum manifestation combines desires and emotions and efforts, and it welcomes in this quantum theory, which is aligned with physics. We heard her talk about Dr. Joe DiPazenza, and instead of cause and effect, we're causing in effect. So the idea is you're using manifestation to create the reality with assistance of the universal intelligence. It's extremely complicated, but people that are into this, David, especially Dr. Joe, swear by this. So I'm going to just tell you, go listen to Dr. Joe's podcast to get more information because

it's not my expertise, but it's the idea of taking meditation, physics, universal alignment, and making all of your dreams of reality. And instead of cause and effect, you're actually causing the effect. I mean, I just wish I could close my eyes and be in the quantum field and just see what's going on in the field. Like part of me pictures, it's like what I picture meta being like where you have your little avatar like ripping around in this other world. And part of it's like, I'm looking into outer space and there's things flying around me. And I'm just like trying to make it all make sense. So I'm all into the quantum field.

Let's get in there. Let's find a way to get in the field. They use words like it makes you feel fluid and expansive and that you're like leveraging energetic power for something greater. So, yeah, David, maybe you and I should take a deep dive into this and give it a shot. What do you say? Oh, yes. Team, teammates in the field. Let's go.

Battlefield. I'm into it. I love it. You got anything else, David, before we wrap up on the Countess? All I got is not with the Countess. She was great. We'd love to see one of her shows. She's obviously crushing it.

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