Trading Secrets - Southern Charm’s Olivia Flowers: From $15/hr as a PA to Bravos fan favorite reality star. BTS of navigating her career behind and in front of the camera while working through personal setbacks and more.

Episode Date: January 8, 2024

This week, Jason is joined by one of Bravo’s newest and most beloved cast members on the new hit show Southern Charm, Olivia Flowers! Olivia became well known after joining Southern Charm’s cast in 2022 before season eight of the show. However, prior to that, Olivia actually started out in a career working behind the scenes of Hollywood as a production assistant for various TV shows and shorts. Olivia has made the most of her time on the show becoming a fan favorite in such a short period of time too. However, it has not been easy for her having gone through a very public breakup and the unexpected loss of her brother last year.   Olivia gives insight to how she has been enjoying the major change within the last two years of her career, the reality of coming to LA and romanticizing the idea of acting, how her parents supported her, the importance of enjoying the process of working through each stage of your career, moving to Atlanta and getting more auditions, the different roles she works in the television industry, and how acting has taught her how to control her emotions and not be impulsive in moments. Olivia also reveals the difference between scripted and unscripted TV, how she ended up on Southern Charm, how she would like to expand on her interests, how setbacks can lead to fueling progress and an impact on others, advocating for therapy, how to manage money in relationships, and her best advice for branding yourself. How much time do you get for an audition? What does she think her niche will be? What has been her biggest challenge she has had to overcome now with having a big platform? What was her biggest financial high? Olivia reveals all that and so much more in another episode you can’t afford to miss!  Host: Jason Tartick Co-Host: David Arduin Audio: Declan O’Connell Guests: Olivia Flowers Stay connected with the Trading Secrets Podcast!  Instagram: @tradingsecretspodcast  Youtube: Trading Secrets Facebook: Join the Group All Access: Free 30-Day Trial 

Welcome back to another episode of trading secrets and welcome to the pre-market trading segment where I'm going to tell you a little bit about our guest today. One thing you've got to know about the market will keep it simple in an update from my personal life. always remember to subscribe and follow this podcast. It really helps, whether it's Apple or Spotify. And when you give us five stars, let us know future guests we should have are your biggest takeaway from this episode. And this episode is with the one and only, Bravo's newest sensation, Southern Charms, sweetheart, Olivia Flowers. I really, really enjoyed speaking to Olivia. She has such calm demeanor and such, I would just say like,

pure intention with how she speaks and what she delivers. And in this episode, we get into a lot about her career before the show and how she was grinding and how she found her way. Because you think about it, it's just a wild set of circumstances when someone from the East Coast take a shot to go to L.A. doesn't work. They end up back in Atlanta. And then they become Bravo's next star. And I think there's something inspiring about the way she navigated and how she navigated. And maybe you just want to become the next star at your job or your career, maybe in your household or with your family. But I think there's little takeaways from what Olivia was doing before to what she's doing now. This is definitely more of a deeper episode of trading secrets.

And then stay tuned to the recap because David and I take some shots at money and dollars and cents when it comes to the life of a Bravo star. Because with Bravo, I'll tell you right now with Bravo talent. They're the best. I love getting them. You know, we have all the real housewives on Vanderpump people. You know, we got Southern Charm, we got Southern hospitality coming. I mean, you name a show, we got someone from it with Bravo. But their contracts are pretty tight. So I have to respect those contracts. Otherwise, I can't have these amazing people on. And I'd rather have them on and talk career navigation and talk about dollars and cents outside of Bravo just because they're that good. And I would never say no to

them because they can't talk about the dollars and cents within just the Bravo contracts. But man, on a side note, Bravo. What an empire. Now, let's transition to one thing you got to know going into this week. The unemployment rate remained at 3.7%. But what you have to know is that the U.S. economy added 216,000 jobs in December. What does that mean? Well, the expectation was that they were going to add 170,000 new jobs. They did 216,000. That blew it out of the water. And if companies are hiring, it's a sign of economic strength. Now, if I lost you there, I can certainly capture your attention here. Wages, edged up higher. to grow 4.1% year over year.

So when you think about when you're going into your annual reviews, if wages are up 4.1% year over year, it's time to think about are your wages up 4.1% year over year. If your company is healthy and it's performing the right way and profitable, make sure you're going in with a target of a raise of at least 4.1% per year. And of course that changes per industry, but that's something you have to know. And I'm going to give you a little tease into something else. You know, now the Fed is really talking about what they're going to do with rates.

And there is a theory out there that if you do cut rates, you actually will increase the supply of houses. There will be more supply. And therefore, the prices will go down. So the whole conversation about rate cutting is very interesting. We'll see what happens. And for a personal update, this week, I am in L.A., Monday. Oh my God, we had some big podcasts. We got Nick Vial Part 2 coming out.

We got Susie and Justin, I'll be interviewing. Hannah Godwin from the Bachelor franchise, possibly even Jacks Taylor from Vanderpump. Some more to come on that. And then I am heading to Mexico. And I'm sure you'll see what I'm doing in Mexico on Instagram. And it's going to be a blast. And I'll talk more about it on future episodes. But I have some quotes I want to share.

Some quotes I came across this week that really landed with me and maybe the land with you. A secret to happiness is letting every situation be what it is instead of what you think it should be and then making the best of it. Another one, I don't regret the love I gave. They probably needed it. And last, I love this one, 1,440 minutes in a day. Make sure you spend a few on you. We spend so much time pouring into everybody else and every other thing, make sure you're pouring in to you. Without further ado, let's ring in the bell with the one and only Southern Charms, sweetheart, Olivia Flowers. Welcome back to another episode of Trading Secrets. Today, we are joined by one of Bravo's newest and most beloved cast members on the new hit show, Southern Charm, Olivia Flowers.

Olivia became well known after joining Southern Charms cast in 2022 before season 8 of the show. However, prior to that, Olivia actually started out in a career working behind the scenes of Hollywood as a production assistant for various TV shows and shorts. Olivia has made the most of her time on the show becoming a fan favorite in such a short period of time too. However, it has not been easy after having gone through a very public breakup and the unexpected loss of her brother earlier this year while filming. Today, we're going to learn about life in front of a camera, life behind the camera, and the way she's been able to handle heartbreak and loss over the year and bounce back while in the public eye. Olivia, thank you so much for being

on Trading Secrets. Well, thank you. Can you write my Wikipedia page? I love that. Yeah, right. We have to rewrite the Wikipedia page and get this going. I mean, it's when I think about your last year and a half, I wrote a book called The Restart Roadmap. And when I think about your last year and That's what it feels like. Like you have had triumph and tragedy and it's happened in such a short period of time. And I think I want that to be the theme of this episode because typically we have someone on and it might have been like a five, 10 year career where they had all these bumps and changes. I mean, it was how many years ago that you were a production assistant?

Two. So two years ago. And now, fast forward two years later, you're the Bravo hit star. You're all over the place. You're at parties with the Vanderpump people. you're the next it person. That's a short period of time. Like, how are you doing?

How are you feeling with all of this massive change? It's honestly been a blast. Like, that's the first thing people ask me. Like, do you like it? Are you enjoying it? It's been so much fun. And because I've always been interested in the entertainment industry, even being on a different avenue of it,

I've really enjoyed it and getting to, like, get to know my castmates and, like, the trips and stuff we go on. And then it's been all positive interactions with, like, fans and stuff like that. know we just had BravoCon and that's really where you get to like see the fan and like the all the love and so I've I've enjoyed it. I'm sure you've experienced some people on the streets or at a bar stopping you for a picture but BravoCon did that hit you like a title wave like what the hell has happened to my life? A hundred percent. I would like get to step out of the room to go to the bathroom like not thinking anything and there would be just like a crowd and they'd be like wait wait you

have to come back in here and I was like that's not for me that's not for me and it wasn't it was for Craig, but I tagged along. I'm sure it was for you. We'll rewind of your career before the show, but I want to step into this for a minute. I mean, I just think about a lot of people from the bachelor, bachelorette, some people that we even manage and they get off the show. And, you know, a lot of them think through the next like Taylor Swift, George Clooney. I feel like with you, I don't feel that like that at all. Has this whole popularity, anything changed your perspective? Or have you had anybody say to you like, Olivia, let's bring it back? down to earth like do you feel any of that like does this new wave had any impact on you my dad

always always says that to me like let's bring you back down to earth in a way of like joking but i can't say that i've had any i mean hopefully i haven't had any big-headed moments but i mean the night is young it could happen soon my makeup artist over there like yeah sure like yeah you're full-blown I mean, she walks in. She's got a makeup artist, a stylist. I'm like, guys, go around the corner. I should have you guys, trust me. All right, well, let's get back into what you're doing before the show. So I saw in an interview that you moved to L.A. and your dream was to be an actress. And one of the big things you said is you thought you'd be able to be in the next hunger game, but you underestimated the process. Those were your words. But I'm thinking about this.

I think a lot of people back home would have no idea if someone actually, you hear the pipe dream. I'm going to move to L.A. and become an actor, actress. It's a big pipe dream. No one understands the process. So when you say you underestimated it, what was the process that you underestimated it? Like, what does that actually look like to become an actress in L.A.? Well, for me, it was like getting there. Then you're instantly surrounded by, you know, thousands, however many people that want the same thing as you.

Yeah. And so that was like an immediate pump the brakes. like you're you're not just like coming in here you're not just going to like get an audition like you have to get like your representation you got to get classes I just think I had this very romanticized idea of it because I've just always loved

the entertainment industry and you know my parents were very stern on like finishing college and then when you do that you can go and I was so so fortunate to have supportive parents and like supporting this pipe dream but it was it was very eye-opening

getting there and being around so many hardworking, hustling people who knew the industry inside and out. And like, I wasn't there yet. It's interesting. Like you could be like a big fish in the pond that you live in. And then you go to L.A. and you're like, holy shit. Every single person who's a stud. Everyone's well spoken. Everyone's well dressed. And you're just caught in the mix of it. We talk money on this podcast. Did your parents or did yourself, did you save a certain dollar amount or did your parents say we'll support you for a certain period of time until we're pulling the rug underneath you like how did the money situation work when you said i'm going to give my dream a shot it was like i said i was very fortunate they were very supportive and the deal was

like finishing college but i did have to work while i was out there they were going to support me and help me get on my feet but i had to be working while i was out there okay so what did you do career-wise i was a production assistant okay um on this show called it's a scripted show called the colony. It was on USA and it was on the Paramount lot. And I mean, I'm, I'm at the bottom of a barrel. Production assistant's kind of like a handler, right? Like you're running errands and stuff. Yes, like getting coffee and first one there, last one to leave. No one really knows your name. But like I loved it. Like I loved the whole experience. I was probably the worst production assistant because I was so obsessed with like watching, you know, video village. I was like behind

the director like watching them do the thing. And then, you know, there would be like a mess behind me. wasn't helping at all, but I learned so much doing that. Yeah. And I would have honestly, like, stayed with that as long as I made nothing. Yeah, I was just going to, I was going to ask, a production assistant, I'm going to take a shot. 20 bucks an hour? I'd probably say like 15. And it's an hourly rate, right? Okay. So when you're a production assistant, the goal was never to like work your way up that career ladder. This was just a stepping stone to have half cash influence so you could pursue your pursuits the way you wanted to, correct? Yeah, I would say. And I was just fortunate to have, I got the job from like a friend of my dads who worked on the show. So I was

even lucky to have that. Like I don't even think that's something you could just find. It was very much a connection. But I, yeah, I loved it. Okay. How about this? Let's get one tip because people are listening to this right now and they're trying to shortcut their careers. They're trying to be the person that's a production assistant. And within two years, they have a army of production assistants working for them. That's what you did. We're going to still step into your career before the show but one piece of advice for someone out there that's in that role where it's 15 20 bucks an hour or whatever it may be that they're they're grinding they know it's not the end-all be-all but they're trying to shortcut to get where they want to go

what's one piece of advice you give to soak it up like you're in there that's where your time and energy's going and even though it's not exactly you know the end goal like just absorb everything, learn everything, so that when the ball does get rolling, you're in front of it and you know what you want to do and just enjoy it. I like it. Enjoy the ride, get ahead of it, and just keep grinding. Did you have any auditions as an actress while you were a production assistant? What did those look like if you did? I didn't have any while as a production assistant. I actually moved to Atlanta like a few years later because that's a huge place for filming. So speaking of like big fish, small pond, that was a lot easier.

And I got a lot of auditions there. And it's kind of like, you know, L.A., you can like stay, grind and try to get those bigger roles. Or, you know, Atlanta's going to pull like I audition like waitress or I got a stripper audition at a time for Ozark. No way. I came in. She didn't have a name. It was just stripper. And I was like, okay.

Was that the strip club they owned in Ozark? Yeah. No way. So, you know. Oh, wait. Hang out. We can't stop there. So you get this audition.

Do you actually have to, like, strip in the audition? No, no, I didn't have to. I didn't have to do anything like that. Luckily, it was like a, it was cool. It was a conversation I was having with Julie Garner. Okay. Well, that's awesome. She was a hero.

Yeah, 100%. And she, I mean, that was like her first big one too. Yeah, that brought her to like it. Now she's doing an espresso commercials with George Clooney. Oh, that's right. She's killing it. There's a bunch of people on that commercial. So what was she like in person?

Well, I didn't, I didn't even mean her. Sorry. Right. It was just the audition was for the scene with her. I didn't actually get it. Okay. I would have been, I would have made like a shirt that says that or something. That'd be unbelievable if you got that. I know. Hey, mom, dad. Look what I did. I'm a stripper. Okay. So for auditions, though, of course, you don't get paid for those, right?

You're just trying to land the audition. How many hours in advance do you have to practice for an audition? You really don't get that much time. I mean, they want it back within two, three days. Okay. So you get it. And the earlier you get it in, I learned. the better because when they find the person they want, that's where they stop. They don't like go through all of, at least from my experience. This is like what I learned working in it. But they, especially for the smaller roles, you know, if they're not going to sit there

and wait to the last day, last minute to get the auditions, they're going to pick what they see when they see it. Okay. And then how does an audition come to your front door? Is it through an agent? Yeah. It's through an agent. And that was the double-edged sword because in order to get an agent, they want to see

that you have a resume. But in order to build that resume, you need an agent. Yeah. So that was tricky. Okay. So then you finally land an opportunity in a movie. What does that look like? Or a scripted show.

What does that look like? How much do they pay? What's the time commitment? Tell me about that job. Wait, the production assistant job? No, didn't you land? Didn't you land a side role as an actress in one of these scripted show? So that was like an indie thing.

And I found that through this website called Backstage. Okay. a lot of like low, low budget or student films even. And I knew that's kind of where I had to start because I didn't have reps. I was like, I got to put myself on tape. And I just, I genuinely feel like I wasn't good. And I didn't have the love and passion for it to like stick it out. But I again, just knew I wanted to be in the industry.

And I think I thought acting was like my way in. And then when I started working as an assistant for an acting coach out in L.A., that's, and I got to help. her on the back end with like casting tapes and she would be hired by productions to come coach the actors who have already booked the job like on set coaching okay and so i got to be a part of like the casting process and like editing and that's when i realize like oh it's behind the camera that i want to do interesting okay so production assistant to then going to do some acting and auditioning yourself to then becoming an assistant to an acting coach essentially yeah assistant to

to an acting coach. Same type of pay, like 20 bucks an hour type of. Okay. I took one acting class in my life and it was one of the most fascinating experiences. I'll never forget there was one scene where the woman was getting prepared for it and she had to come in yelling at her husband. But before she went in, she asked the students if she could scream. It was the loudest bloody murder scream I had ever heard in my entire life. This was preparation to go in. So then wait, wait, wait, like apparently that wasn't enough. So the coach goes behind. And I was in the last row. He whispers something to her. And all of a sudden she starts bawling her eyes out. And he said something about an ex. And then she went into the scene, burst the door open. And I had goosebumps

at how good she was. And I was blown away that that type of depth and thinking goes in to the whole entire process of acting. When you were with the coach, were there any tips or tricks or stories that you learned about the whole idea of acting that maybe people back home listening to this right now can take into their life or that you've taken into your new world?

I learned with her and watching her coaching. It is so much just applying your real experiences, your real feelings into that moment. Like I think that was like the big misconception. You know, you get the script and like people want to like memorize or like get the lines down. And I learned like she just taught how to bring in like the raw emotion.

And then like the words were just vehicles to get you from like one scene to the next. And so I saw a lot of what you just talked about like working with her. Like her bringing up people's like personal things right there on set just to get them there. So I mean that was like an experience in itself. But as far as, like, using it today, I mean, authenticity. Like, that's what acting is. Just, like, aligning it as much as you can with your true self and your true feelings in that moment.

And so I would say with what I do now, it's that. It's just, like, trying to stay completely true to how you're feeling and being able to, like, communicate those emotions and feelings clearly and staying consistent with that. No, I think that's, I think that makes a lot of sense because in a short period of time, you have captivated the audience in like an unbelievable way and you've built this quick momentum and I think that has a lot to probably just being yourself and being able to communicate it and maybe it was like acting that helps you do that in the bachelor world what's interesting is when someone has any type of history or education in acting they get absolutely chastised

and criticized and so they're told like they're faking it those tears aren't real they're just acting, being in the reality space now, have you had to deal with any of the people being like your prior life was an actress? We have to question the authenticity. Have you had to step into that or no? I have with one castmate. That's always like his go-to dig. It's like you're, you were an actress. And I remember like one, when we were filming one time, yelling at each other and he was saying, he was like, you were an actress. Like, you wanted to do this. And I'm like, we all said yes to the same thing. We're all here, you know? So I think it's so. It's so, easy to do that. But to me, acting is just like a social, like, experiment. It just teaches you

how to be quick on your feet. It teaches you how to control your emotions. It teaches you how to not be impulsive in moments when you might be. You know what I mean? So, but as far as, like, faking the emotions, no, like I, I would be doing much better job acting like I liked him if that were the case. So I love that. I think like the hypocrisy. in people who are on set of a reality TV show calling someone else like, oh, you're just here for the fame or for the camera. Shut the fuck. There's cameras everywhere.

We're out of one of the largest networks in the world. Look in the mirror, right? That's just a ridiculous conundrum. Acting in reality TV. So especially when I got off reality TV, it was always a thing that if you came from reality TV, getting into the world and the career of acting was next to impossible. You kind of did it reverse.

You went from acting to reality TV, unscripted. Was there any hesitation to get into unscripted knowing that the latter back into acting becomes extremely challenging? Yes, that's so funny. You just asked that because I was just talking about it before I got here. That was a huge part of it.

I was fortunate enough to have time to think over wanting to move forward with the show and like I know some castmates who got their contract like literally the next week after talking to them and I had months. So I really got to sit and think about it. And luckily for me, I had figured out that I wanted to do behind the camera stuff and I didn't think the reality part. If anything, I was more looking forward to it because I get to be on a set. It wasn't exactly the set I thought, but it's still a set nonetheless and it's still the same language and the same, you know, commotion. So I was excited for it in that way, but there was definitely.

definitely a hesitation to completely shut that door, which is another reason why when people say, like, oh, you're an actor, like, you wanted this. I'm like, if you knew anything about acting, you would know what I'm doing right now just completely took away my chances of actually making it as a scripted actor. Right. It actually totally deters you from that chance. Yeah. Even something as dumb as me being like, I took an acting class, one acting class, that could be misconstrued and like unscripted TV goodbye. Like, that's how crazy this world is. So that's fascinating. But y'all have it. It's like more nerve-wracking for y'all because you only on it for, you know, a short period of time. So it's like anything you say, you might not have the time to like further explain it. So if someone says like, yeah, I was an actor and then that's all like they get from that time. I feel like then you get judged. And then I at least can say I have like scene after scene to where I can like further explain myself. So I've always admired you all for how you handle that. There is a lot. I've taught I had a lot of bachelor people on this show and a lot of people from the Bravo space.

But there is a lot of envy from the ABC family because we get one show, maybe two, maybe three at max and we're done. So then the sustainability of like what we have to do with our careers becomes a whole different game of chess. And it could be one or two things and you can be knocked off and you're back to the nine to five. All right. Let's go into the, how did, so you're acting, you're grinding, production assistant, coaching acting assisted, trying to break into the world. And Southern Charm comes knocking on your door. of course you have ties to Charleston.

But what was the first interaction that Southern Charm came your way? So Leva, my castmate, her and her husband are family, friends of ours. My dad and invests in their restaurants. And so we've known them forever. And she called me while I was in L.A. And it was actually right before COVID. So she had kind of told me that they were looking. She was like, I just think I'm going to put your name in because they're kind of looking for new faces.

And I was like, yeah, sure why not? And then COVID hit. So then I went back home, spent COVID in Charleston with my home. whole family and then she and I met up and she was like yeah I gave him your name they're interested and then it would go silent for a really long time and also I would get a call like it was very very gradual and I'm grateful for that because I did get to kind of like marinate and the idea yeah so yeah she brought me on and I had known some of the cast a little bit before my brother knew them all too so he kind of bridged that gap for me as well and I think that there's a bit

of a misconception with people thinking I was brought on because I dated Austin. Like I was brought on and I take pride in the fact that I'm one of the few girls who didn't come on there as anyone's girlfriend. Yeah. And I was like, I went through the casting process. Like I didn't. So just to clear the air on that. All right. Let me ask you about this. So, you know, obviously there's monetization through the show. And then you're paid per episode. How many episodes per season are there? We honestly don't find that out until like as it goes. But I mean, I think 12. I think there's like a minimum that we're supposed to hit. Okay.

Okay. So let's suppose it's 12. Do the math based on conversations we've had people. You get back into some numbers without you getting in trouble. On a other revenue driving stream, are there other things right now that you've been able to do to monetize everything that's happened, whether it's social media marketing,

creating your own brand, anything from a business perspective that you've done or that's on the radar for driving more revenue in the door? There's certainly things on the radar. are the thing is you get this big platform like literally overnight and you're and your falling goes up overnight and it's just kind of like I've always had these ideas of like what I want to do and and now all of a sudden it's like you you have the opportunity like you have the platform but there's no like manual on how to go about it you know what I mean like you're a perfect

example of that like you figured it out and are doing it well like I'm very much in that stage where I'm very passionate about things and I do want to expand on things like as far as my brand whether it's like health and wellness or like sports I would love to see like a girl on bravo interested in sports or something you know what I mean like so I have all these like sideline reporting stuff yeah or like do like a sports podcast or I don't know it just so I have all these ideas and things that I want to do I just need to hone in on like what the next steps are. And this past season, you know, um, my stylist actually suggested, like, why don't you show that side of you, like in your scenes, have on your athletic wear, like,

asked to play tennis. Like, Shep and I played tennis this season and, and just kind of like start planting the seeds so that when that time comes that I do want to produce something more tangible on brand that I've already kind of like leaned into that and like shown that. So it's not like people were like, oh, what? She wants to do like athleisure. Like she doesn't, you know what I mean? Like you kind of start. You're starting to like build like step by step, build that niche. So if you look at like Kyle Cook, right? He's got lover boy. Craig's got sewing down south. Page, obviously big in the fashion space. Think of it a Hannah burner, now comedian. So if you had to project what it looked like in five years, like your niche, do you think that's what it is like sports,

athleisure? What do you think it looks like career-wise? Yeah. It would be sports, athlete, wellness. I'm gluten-free. It's like celiacs runs in my family. So that was something I brought on the show. There's like every single time we're eating, I'm like, is that gluten-free? Like I would love to have that niche of like health, wellness. And yeah, I love sports. I love that. What has been the biggest challenge in social media, the biggest thing that you've had to overcome now having a platform trying to navigate these waters? I'd say overthinking. Like really overthinking instead of just like let it be fluid, post, and go. I second, third, fourth, fifth guess before, like, putting anything up.

And I was never like that before. And now I'm just like, I can get a little bit more hesitant. Why do you think that is? Is it the fear of, like, what people think? Or is it now that you see both sides of criticism and reward that you're just trying to avoid the criticism. And this is, by the way, something I really struggle with. Yeah. Always overthinking.

Like, am I doing enough? Have I, that I did it, that I'd not post that right? Is this stupid? Is my message right? And I'm always worried about it. And I think if I'm like psychoanalyzing, it's probably because I'm too worried about what people think, quite frankly. I think that's in everyone, you know?

For me, I think I take on this platform and the show and my part on it as like a huge responsibility. Like there's such a huge following. And we're so fortunate. it to have an influence on people. And so I want the messages I put out there to be of me and like, not, I don't know. I just, it's a responsibility, I think. And also, yeah, I give a fuck what people think about me.

Yeah, I think we all do in some capacity. We're trying. We're trying our best out here. All right, let's talk about, I think I don't want to dive into the drama of what you have experienced from a relationship perspective. But I do want to dive into the analysis of how that's impacted you and things you've done to overcome it. Because I think people back home, they could be in any profession, teacher, nurse, professor, salesperson, whatever they do. They have things that come up in their personal life.

And some people think those things actually propel them and some people get completely taken aback. And so it impacts their financial and professional life. Those are the pillars I want to stay on. Because I think everyone listening at this point probably understands from a relationship perspective in a tragedy, a big tragedy with your brother, that you've had personal setbacks. Let's talk about how it's impacted professional and financial. Olivia, what are some things that when you think about it, you had to overcome or did you use work as an outlet? And do you have any advice for anybody back home that feels stuck, but still has to pursue their professional and financial?

endeavors. That's a very good question. I'll take it. For me, I certainly used it as an outlet of distraction, the show. And my dad, you know, he's a businessman, so we had conversations and about it. Because my number one priority was making sure they were comfortable with it with me, like, going back to work so soon. But I don't, I mean, just whatever works for you, you know. like for me at that time it was helpful like keeping busy but also being patient with your

emotions and you know like some days are going to be harder when you're at work than others but just like be patient with that and don't because the more you allow yourself to feel the emotions the more you can create room for yourself to like live your life also if that makes sense I don't know if I'm answering the question very well like give me an example of like it affecting your life. For sure. So I think for me, through a recent breakup, I use work as a form of like numbing, if I'm being honest, but it's productive numbing. So I use it as a means of like, I don't have to deal with, I first think, let's just first step back. What you said is right on about like, step in your feelings, feel your feelings. I think I just put a post about this, like name it to

drain it. And then once you do, you carry so much less weight in all areas of your life. What I have found myself doing is opposed to I'm like a path of least resistant guy. So like conflict, I don't really love it. I'd rather just, to me, like the drama of conflict can create a lot of like headaches and stepbacks, even though those stepbacks could create eight jumps forward. So I channel my energy towards like work. I distract myself. Something I working on, but I know if I distract myself, I don't have to worry about it. As a result of that, weirdly enough, setbacks actually propel my financial and professional world. They probably hurt me more personally, but they propel them. And I'm wondering if through your setbacks, if you think that

they have like propelled them maybe hasn't had an impact on your professional world, or you feel like because you experience pain and emotion and distress in your personal life, it really hurts your professional financial life. I think for me, I was overwhelmed with how many people reached out and had like very similar experiences. And that's kind of like going back to how I overthink with social media. Like once all these people started reaching out and talking about their experiences with grief and having all very, very similar stories, losing a sibling, losing a loved one, I, it was like, it was like, like it fueled me because I now had the ears of so many people who were going through what I was going

through. And so that terrified me on social media. And that was a bit of a setback. It took me a really long time to post. Even though those messages were so heartwarming, I was like terrified to post. But then I had the show side of it and I looked at it as an opportunity of getting to be an example and not be an example but like show people that it's okay to feel a certain way or show people that you can go back to work or you can be sat you know like I just so I feel like it did propel me but in a way that was helpful to others if that makes sense I think so yeah no I think it's like impact yeah she nailed it I think it's great yeah yeah it's an impact in Personal life was, I mean, struggle, like worst, worst time of my life.

Professional, a whole new responsibility and a whole new challenge, but in a good way. From the outside looking in, it feels like, well, your personal life may have been in complete disarray. I don't know, from what I'm seeing from the outside, high level, but it seems like professional financial world has taken off. It feels like maybe professional setbacks may have actually propelled your professional world. knowing what you know now about everything you've experienced in the last year we'll just keep that high level there. Is there anything you would have done differently

that maybe people back home listening that are kind of going through hell could take as a learning lesson given your experience or anything you would have done differently in the last year? I don't know if this is too deep, but I'm a huge advocate for therapy.

Yeah. And I didn't go to therapy when all this happened. And that was a big mistake. What was your hesitation not to go? I think I just wasn't ready to face it and like have it be more of a reality. And I already was starting to have the episodes air. And then once the episode air of what happened, that opens a door to so many other people getting to chime in that I wasn't ready for.

So then to like think about talking about it more on a person. I just wasn't ready to do that. I wasn't ready to have it being discussed. And at least with therapy, I had the choice to wait, whereas, like, on the show front, I didn't have a choice. It was going to air and I was going to have to deal with it. So I put it off. I put therapy off and I dealt with it on the show. Okay.

Now you're an advocate for therapy. What would you say for people that are thinking about it back home? You have one big takeaway guy, by the way. Yeah. From all the therapy you've done, do you have, like, one big takeaway, one thing that has resonated with you the most through going to therapy and putting yourself in that position? be patient with yourself with your emotions. That's a good one. Because there's no right way to grieve.

Yeah. There is no right way. And anything in a breakup and a death, like there's no right way. It's just what works for you and to be patient with yourself. Yeah. That's a really good one. I always thought you go through that grieving stage and you're like,

check the box. Like it's a homework assignment. No, that's not the case whatsoever. Be patient. Give yourself grieving and everyone's going to have their own process. Let's talk about this. My next book that comes out is all about love and money. So in relationships, when it comes to money, when it comes to, this is like dating and money advice. It comes to splitting bills, joint accounts. When you think about some of your past relationships, do you have any love

and money rules? Do you talk openly about what you guys make? Do you share things financially? Do you just keep it compartmentalized? Do you have any love and money rules? I feel like because I'm kind of new to both right now. Like all my friends and stuff that are getting married and dealing with that now, I'm kind of like asking them these questions. And I like the split. Like you do your own thing. I like you make your money. You make yours. And that's yours. And if I don't know, that makes sense to me. Like that structure works in my brain. Like you do your own thing. You make your own money. And then you just kind of communicate throughout toss them in the savings checking. I don't know. Very good. No, I think what you're saying is good. Like have your own.

careers, make your own money, put it together for activities and do your thing. Yeah. Got it. Yeah, yeah. I think that's a good take. Okay. I think that's a good take. I think you nailed that one. Do you, amongst your friends or even past relationships, do you openly talk about money or is it something you're not really comfortable talking about? I think like growing up in the South and a little bit not in the South, it's like that it's, it's, you're not supposed to at all. Yeah, exactly. So I have a little bit of that there in me, but the older I get, I guess I don't really see

the reason you wouldn't, you know? Like, I grew up thinking you don't, you shouldn't, but I think it's an okay topic, especially the people you're comfortable with. And I do think it can, like, get awkward because if you don't have those communication, or if you don't have those conversations and they're going to, that's when things happen, like you go on big trips.

And, like, I remember living in L.A. and, like, we'd go to brunch and I would order, I don't know, like a crouton and water. And then they would be like, we're all just going to split the bill and it'd be like, like, 150 each. I'd be like, I had a croutan and water. Like, so it's like, I don't know. I think you'd be open communication with like your friends in that sense, but.

It is interesting. I think where you come from has a huge impact on it. I usually, most people that come on the show don't want to talk about money. I know. I'm sweating. Maybe I don't like it. I think it's because one of these things, like we're taught not to talk about it. But I think the reason that we're taught not to talk about it is if we do talk about it,

we're probably going to get like compensated more. So I think the transparency as consumers can help us, right? That's kind of my take on it. All right, let's do a little money rapid fire. It's just fun things about your personal life. Like what is one thing you spend too much money on, but you'll never stop spending that money on? Probably dinners, like going out. Okay, I love like the restaurants going out.

Yeah. Okay, number one type of food, where are you going? What type of food? Sushi. Sushi. All right. Do you create a budget at all for your? yourself? Or how do you met? What's your system for me? My system is I get a text from my dad

yelling at me and then I got to figure it out. Fair enough. How do you respond to that? Sorry, it won't happen again. Sorry, it won't happen again. All right. What was in your professional career when you think about a financial moment, what was like your biggest high financially? I got to say this is going to be weird because it's like the least amount of money I made, but like getting my first check as a production assistant. Really? I loved what I was doing so much. And so to like realize I almost forgot I was supposed to be getting paid.

So like just even getting that first check, I remember going in like the ass crack of dawn to go pick it up. And it was, I remember just being giddy in my car. How much was that check for? I think it was like, I don't know, like a little over 200. Did you spend it or save it? Oh, I've probably spent it. There we go.

I love the honesty. All right, one financial low in your entire professional journey, financial low, that you're like, that was, I don't know, that was a tough moment or I shouldn't have done that or maybe an investment you might have lost on or something. Probably when the taxes got taken out of my first paycheck after bravaccon. Oh, just feel, yeah. No, I think that's a good point. Yeah. Well, in this space, too, if you don't plan for your taxes, you can get in. Yeah.

I mean, it could get ugly quick. Mm-hmm. Mostly. Stay tuned, because I'm sure it's coming. Stay tuned. All right. And then the last one before I get your trading secret will be, do you have a financial goal, a certain amount that you want to, let's say, at one point in your life, make?

Or I don't know, is do you have any type of financial aspiration dream or goal that you can think of? I mean, I just, I'm learning, like, how important savings is. And then just, like, seeing that we live in a day and age where people, kind of like go from paycheck to paycheck and seeing it's getting harder and harder for people to like even just like buy something everyone's like renting you know what I mean like I would love to be in a place where I felt comfortable buying like saving just I don't know it's so easy to like get your check and then just like go through it but just I don't know I'm so bad at these questions no I think you're doing great all right I'm following you're crushing it I think you're

crushing it all right and let's say this if you want to want to buy something, suppose it's a home, where's the first city you're going to buy the home? Dallas, Texas. That's number one on your list. I think so. All right. Last one, branding. This is your forte. You've done this so well in the last two years by branding yourself. Thank you. You've done an amazing job. If someone back home has no idea where to even start with branding, they have no idea. What piece of advice would you give them with branding? Just go find your passion, find what you're interested in. Because, like, any job you're only going to do well with something that you love. Yeah. And so you get clear on

that first and then the rest, you know, not to sound corny, will fall into place, but it really will because anything that comes at you, you're going to be excited to take on the challenge and to move forward with that part of you and to like create a brand. You have to love it. You have to want it to be an extension of you and you have to learn it inside and out in order to do that. Yeah, totally. And I think, I don't know if you give yourself enough credit for this, but so many people go through life just doing what they're told down the road they're supposed to and what you did from the get-go was like this is what I want to do I'm going for it you know you went to L.A. You went to Atlanta. You went back to L.A. I think people back home should think through

that is like you said passion and if one thing to say it's another thing to do it and this life is so short and so many people go through their entire career just floating by never taking a shot at dream. And you've done that since day one of graduating, which I think is awesome. Thank you so much. I think like I was really excited to take that on into charm because especially being in the South, there's such a societal expectation to like go to college, like get a job, get married, have kids. And I was so blessed to have parents who like didn't force that on me at all. They wanted me to find my passion before they wanted me to find like my person. You know, there was no pressure whatsoever. It was just like find what you love. So that.

That's, like, bringing back to that, that a lot of that goes to my parents and just stepping out of the comfort zone. Yeah. And in order to get the bigger picture and it doesn't have to be anyone else's picture. It's what you want your picture to be. I love that. You're a trailblazer right now, especially for the girls in the South, crush it, get through adversity, use the adversity to propel you forward, learn from it, step into therapy, so many lessons, so many pieces of advice. We have to end with the trading secret. Trade secret we can only get from Olivia Flowers, can't get in a textbook, can't get in a YouTube or TikTok

tutorial. It could be about anything life, career, relationship, money, whatever you want it to be. It's the trading secret only from Olivia Flowers. What can you leave us with? Don't settle in anything. In a person, in a job, in a life, don't settle. Okay. And for some, I'm going to push you a little bit. Okay. Someone that is settling. What do they do? They find themselves settling. you find happiness in yourself first so there's zero dependency on anyone or anything else for that you have everything you need in yourself you're complete so everything after that is a bonus in addition there's zero dependency that is the mic drop right there that when you clutch that

and I think when you find it within yourself you start to tell yourself you don't deserve that you won't settle, professionally, financially, or personally. Olivia, thank you so much for being on Trading Secrets. Thank you for having me. Where can people find everything you have going on? Instagram. What's your handle? Olivia B. Flowers.

Okay. I'm like, TikTok too? Oh, I'm new to TikTok, but Olivia B Flowers for TikTok as well, but be patient with me. And stay tuned to Southern Charm. Make sure to go follow Olivia B. Flowers on all social media. And Olivia, thank you for coming on Training Secrets. Thank you for having me. Ding, ding, ding. We are closing in the bell with the one and only the Curious Canadian on the Olivia Flowers episode. It was a deep episode. You know, unlike most of our episodes, we actually didn't get into too much of the business because there was so much depth in the career path, I think, of Olivia. And that was so interesting to hear about that. Also, for all my money mafia back there, you got to know. I know you guys want Bravo stars. I am here for Bravo stars. They are all amazing. Olivia is an

of one that's amazing. But I will tell you, Bravo is a great, great network with big contracts. So there's only so much that I can get from them. And I have to tell you, going into these interviews, I know that. They're very upfront with it. But I think the quality of a lot of these career tracks and stories and inspiration is still so worth it. So let's ring in the bell with the one and only. The curious Canadian, David, what do you thinking? We're ringing in the bell for real, because I missed you last week on the Alex Bennett episode. So my first episode of 2024. I'm fasting like you can't believe out here. I haven't had a calorie in two days. I got New Year's resolutions going out the wazoo here. So it's great to kick it off

with what I'm going to call Jay, a really wholesome episode. I think this was a great episode for the beginning of January because like you said, you got deep. You navigated the career journey. There's some words that came up a lot in this episode that I'm going to just run by you here. and get your opinion on them and get your take on them, if you don't mind before we get into some perceived numbers, because I need some more numbers for the people at home. Yeah, happy New Year, David. Welcome.

It's good to have you back, but let's do it. Fire away, baby. Well, I just loved the word, you guys use the word patience a lot. And patience and passion. And I just love what those words mean for where we're at in the current calendar month. So I just want to talk to you a little bit about the word patience and passion and how, you know, it can be related to someone at home who may be experienced to these things in all different realms of their life?

Ah, loaded question. I think passion, just the overall theme of making sure the things that you're doing on a day-to-day basis drive you a little bit. I think about the easiest way to find passion if you feel like you can't back home. Just look at anything around you right now. Instinctively, you have passions. You might not even know. What is the drink you're drinking?

What is the brand of the clothes you're wearing? what websites are you scrolling? What shows are you watching? Behind those shows are huge companies. Behind those drinks are huge companies. Behind these brands you love are huge companies. And finding your passion and aligning it with potential work is huge. I think about patience. Patience is really, really interesting. You know, it's something I think over the years I've certainly mastered, is what I would say, because patience is the art of listening. It's the art of observing. It's then the art of understanding in a really deep way to make sense of it. And sometimes we instantly want to react in all ways. And I think the art of patience can serve you well in every

area, financially, socially, professionally, personally, when you do those things, when you actually listen, when you actually hear, when you actually try to understand, it's then easier to make so much sense of things that might make absolutely no sense when you first hear them. Well, I agree with that. And that's a great, really opinion on it. And I just think in January, everyone started the year with a financial goal, with a health and wellness goal, with a spiritual goal, with some kind of goal. And I guarantee everyone wants to see the results. I know I want to see the results faster than I'm probably getting them when I step on the scale or when I'm going to bed at night. But at the end of the day, I just loved how this episode had the word

patience in it so many times more than any episode because of the state of where everyone's at where everyone wants to get to take your words of wisdom take the patience wisdom and i think a lot of people will see some some good things happen in 2024 so thank you for your patience so we can get to some numbers jay we didn't get a ton of numbers we got some early numbers for her you know $15 an hour in her in her journey as a pa on the set of colony to get to where she is today but i want to talk about the real numbers and i want to talk i did a little bit of research here The internet's a fickle place. Might dabble in a new segment called, you know,

what is the net worth presented by the Curious Canadian. Ooh, I like this. We're going to start out with Olivia here, Jay. Okay. And I'm curious. And we know, disclaimer, we know these aren't true. We know they usually aren't accurate. But I am on a website right now.

I am on, just bring this website up here, fresher's live.com. And it says, Olivia Flowers net worth. how rich is she now? And I want you to take a stab on what you think that number is. How wealthy is Olivia Flowers right now? You Googled that? I'm going to say $2 million. Okay. So her net worth is coming in hot at $1.5 million, which I think actually aligns pretty well considering you talked about how her career track started just two years ago making $15 an hour, which means it leads to my next question, Jay, how much do you think that she's getting paid?

per episode to get a $1.5 million net worth on the internet? I don't know. I mean, I know, I don't know. Listen, everybody right now, this is pure speculation. I know absolutely nothing. That's what we do in the recap, right? We take guesses with the curious Canadian. She's mentioned a lot about her dad's businesses and her family's businesses. So I'm going to assume that there's some success there. I just don't really know the specifics to any level. And I don't know. I'm thinking if I had to guess, like if I'm throwing literally a blind dart at the wall,

15 to 20 grand, but I don't have a damn clue. I have no idea. Well, we've had Craig Kahn over on. We had Kyle on, a couple of Bravo people on in those realms. And they couldn't really allude to per episode. So I, again, I'm on the internet. I'm scrolling through. I'm on WGTC.com.

How much is the cast, this other charn make? I'm just going to read this out really quick for you. So this is already, this is on the internet, something you're reading? This is on the internet. Okay. This is a published source of some sort? Yeah. Oh, yeah.

Okay. It says main cast members get paid $25,000 per episode, regardless of how many seasons they've appeared on. Each season has had anywhere from 10 to 17 episodes. So a main cast member could make up to $425,000 for one season. And I like this, a bonus paycheck of $60,000 for, showing up to the reunion taping. So that gives you a pretty good idea there.

Appreciate that article for making me look maybe as smarter than I am. But also interesting that she said when you start the season, you have no clue how many episodes that there are. Knowing that you get paid per episode, you're probably hoping for a lengthy season. Yeah, that's interesting. Now, what I'll also say is I just want to put it out there one more time for the viewers. This is just coming from a random website that was found online. So these are all guesstimates based on something that's out there.

there, there's no accuracy behind it, but there is something that we do have accuracy behind, which is fascinating. The whole idea, when we compare it especially to Batchar Nation with Bravo shows, is the longevity behind their business. David, whether it's a 5,000, 10,000, 15,000, obviously 25,000, that's all material. But if you think about it, when they're getting it per episode, and they know these shows are crushing it and their values going up, Think about like the sustainability in job security, right? That's really interesting with where, you know, a lot of people in different reality shows,

it's a one time and you're off. That's kind of a cool place for a lot of these Bravo people to be real housewives, all of them. They invest in this talent and they curate them and they keep them on for a while. It's so smart and it's she said it on the podcast with you. She goes, we look at, you know, you people, you dating show people, you know, one season reality people.

And, like, they don't know how you do it, right? And when you think about it, it's true, like, oh, is it a risk being on summer house? Is it a risk being on Southern Char? Is there a risk be on Housewives? Not really because there's seasons after seasons after seasons with similar cast and spin-off shows. Bachelor, you go on and if it's not that in Paradise, like, you're done. So it is a really big difference.

One difference that she did talk about that I want to touch on is the difference of culturally finances growing up in the South. Now, if we really go back to the premise of this podcast, it's finance. financial literacy, financial transparency. It was really cool to hear a talk about, you know, growing up at the South. It's very much, don't ask, don't tell, especially when it comes to finances, especially females and finances. I want your opinion on that and your experience with that. Obviously, with the book coming out, this is going to be really interesting to talk about with finances and couples. I just loved the example that she said when she moved to L.A.

And she went and she had no money. And she goes, I got a crouton and a water. And I had to end up splitting the bill. It cost me hundreds of. dollar so just societally culturally friend groups places that you live around the around the globe just wanted to touch on that because i thought it was really really interesting coming from someone from the south we haven't really heard heard that on that is a cool curiosity and i think it's something that's interesting to be talking about in my new book that's coming out david talk money to me that's one of the things that i actually discuss a little bit is just how we do have historical statistics around gender and money and the things that

we do know is that statistically, that from all the data we can gather, most men in the households run the finances. That's more of an old school traditional approach that is changing by the second. But what's also fascinating is we know that women live longer than men. So if men are, for what we see in the past, running the finances, and women are outliving the men, you think about the importance and the material change that is happening and needs it continue to happen because then there's so much wealth that is exchanged and who knows what happens and how it goes. Now, we're seeing it change drastically. It's awesome. You're seeing women starting. The earning gap is getting closer and closer. In my opinion, it will flip

eventually and women will make more than men. That's my just general guess. But what I'm going to say is it's interesting to hear the whole idea of traditional South. You know, in New York, we're pretty straightforward, we're pretty candid, in Vancouver. I feel like you guys are the same. As you go down south, those traditions, and when I'm speaking macro, are still like in place in a deep level. And the idea of talking about money, I feel like in the South, in the way that we do, from a macro perspective, is like, that is so unpolite and against etiquette, you know? So it's interesting to hear her confirm that. Yeah, and it's even like you said, she felt intense pressures to go to college right away, get a job, start a family, have kids.

Like, that's still very much the intensities of the pressure of growing up in the South. And as a married man, I do love when you ask people that question about your book and talk about, you know, finances in a relationship. And it's always funny for me to hear like people who are single be like, oh, yeah, like keeping finances separate. Like, that's definitely what I want. It's like, just wait until you get in there in the weeds and you buy a house together

and the things are piling up. The time and effort sometimes to keep things separate is crazy. so I just love to hear people single thinking about what it would be like and now being in it knowing what my situation is to be like, oh, just wait. Like, I want a part two when you're married to see what you guys are doing. Exactly. And I think what's cool is even this conversation and last conversation last week with Alex Bennett, they're all kind of connecting with one another.

Alex Bennett marrying a billionaire. It didn't work out. He didn't sign a pre-num because they strategically put all of his assets in a trust and therefore on paper he was making no money and she had to pay him. So the point is whether you're dating, whether you're single, or whether you're married, or whether you're on the later stages of whatever chapter in your life you're at, the importance of love and money and building wealth and exchanging it and knowing it and being transparent. It's starting to hit in all places and it's hitting this podcast.

I got to put a quick plug out there. Talk money to me. You could go buy it right now on Amazon. It's on pre-sale. Go check it out. Love it. Last thing I want to ask you that I, you know, it was really interesting because I think you and Olivia had a lot of things in common, more than maybe I was anticipating in a little bit of your path and how you got to where you guys are today. And one of those similarities was, you know, you going on a show, her going on a show, and your Instagram kind of blowing up and you being a well-known person overnight. And she talked about how she really struggles with social media, what to post, overthinking,

overthinking, overthinking. And it kind of got me thought to you. You've now been in the social media game since 2018, but you've had a lot of different points in your life. And you touched on it. You said, you overthink it too. So I'm just curious to kind of get your take on the same question. What is it that you're overthinking about your social media and how is that changed since

you were pre-batchelor Jason? Yeah, I think in general, man, just like a part of my DNA is overthinking, analysis, paralysis in like almost all forums. It serves me well in a lot of cases. It's a good protection and safety mechanism. It's a good way to think through things and not be reactionary. But it also can really hurt you when you're overthinking things to a fault. based on a conversation we had.

I think about my whole like Instagram or social media life. It's been a really, really interesting ride from the days of pre-show and then, you know, stepping into the world of the social media realm while I was on the show and then my departure from the show and then being single after the show and then being in a serious relationship, public relationship, into an engagement, into a failed engagement, into now single and a lot of public noise, right? And I think I'm getting better with the whole thought process of just do you. But every different chapter changes like constraints and respect for the others in your world. And this is a whole new world, David, where I am single and I am doing me in a different

way and I'm still having to deal with things that come up. So now I'm navigating this new chapter of it. And I think maybe that's a good segue to say, and the Jason Tall's All episode next week, which will record next week, I go in the hot seat. You guys hear our guests every week. David puts me in the hot seat. He asked me all about business, personal and professional and financial questions. And just talking about the business of Instagram, we'll get into. But there's been so many different cycles, David. And I continue to work every day to use my DNA of analysis paralysis, but also don't let it be the paralysis part. Just do it. Yeah, and I don't envy you in those situations. And you really even talked about your timeline. You didn't even really mention that

your businesses are built off Instagram, whether it'd be monetizing on brands through your talent agency and monetizing on Instagram too. It's almost like you've finally figured out what you use Instagram for and then it switches, right? It's like, oh, I finally figure out, it's switches. And then your job switches or your career switches, your relationship switches. And it's just like, Like, you know, you're dealing with all these things and that comes in the overthinking. Yeah, dude, the other day someone said this to me, because I was talking to someone about branding and marketing and how the business is changing and everything. Yeah.

And the person said to me, come on, you know what Instagram really is. And I said, yeah, it's a massive, massive, multi-billion dollar earth-shattering business. He goes, no, it's just the largest dating app in the world. I was like, what? You know, that's a side of, you know, well, now I think I'm starting to see that a little bit. I'm just like, you know, DMs, I'm like, whoa, you know, but I never, I was like, wait, wait a second. This is a whole new world now. I don't know, man.

Yeah, it's like, it's like a dating app slash LinkedIn slash like old school MySpace all in one. Yeah. Like, it's really just the, the melting pot of, of all those things. So, no, it's really interesting to see you guys connect on that, connect on your guys' rise to where you are today. And like I said, it was just a really wholesome episode. I hope people stay for the recap so they could get a little sprinkle of some numbers and some insight into that. And overall, I think 2024, off to a hot start. Can't wait for Jason Tell all next week. Hot start. We have some really, really good episodes in the bank right now. And this week,

I'm going to be in L.A. and in Mexico. And we have some big, big podcasts coming. So we're excited about that. I have a master class that's coming in all areas of finance. So if you are looking to get your finances up to speed, but you're looking to just learn at your speed in a manner that is comprehensible. That is coming. We are working on live shows right now with some really big guests. So get ready for that. That's going to be exciting. The book, Talk Money to me is out. Go to our Facebook group and join us. We're talking every single day about purchases and where you could save money and where you could spend money and finance questions. So join us there. And I think it's going to be the best year yet for trading secrets. We have the wind at our back,

5,000 plus reviews, millions and millions and millions of downloads. Thanks to the money mafia. Thank you for everything you guys do. Thank you for listening, subscribing, sharing this with your people. And David, you got anything before we wrap? No, you say live shows. And every time on the Jason Tallol, which I'll talk about next week, we talk about our goals for the next season. Live shows and merch are my two things I always talk about. And live shows got to be coming at 2024. And if I don't get one of those creating secrets at, you're going to find yourself a new co-host pretty soon. Well, the two good things for you. Merch is coming. If you guys see me where my Trading Secrets Hat. We're going to do the trading secrets hat and the color that we have

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