Trading Secrets - The Traitors’ Peter Weber & Trishelle Cannatella reveal the $ecrets behind their mastery in game theory strategy, returning to reality TV, the $100,000 prize and how previous experience elevated their game!

Episode Date: March 18, 2024

This week, Jason is joined by two stars of Peacock’s hit reality TV show, The Traitors, Peter Weber and Trishelle Cannatella! Many know Peter from his time on Hannah Brown’s season of the Bachelorette, followed by his lead role as the Bachelor the same year. Since his time on the show, Peter has continued his career as a commercial airline pilot for United Airlines and even added the title of author to his resume after writing a children’s book titled “The Adventures of Pilot Pete.” Trishelle made her name by appearing as a main cast member on The Real World: Las Vegas back in 2002, followed by five different seasons of MTV’s The Challenge and various other stints in the reality TV world. In addition to her time on reality TV, Trishelle has also added the titles of model, real estate investor and professional poker player to her career. More recently, Peter and Trishelle have been hot topics around their strong performances on the hit reality show, The Traitors.  Peter and Trishelle give insight to how they got casted for season 2 of The Traitor’s, how Trishelle missed the entire social media aspect when she was on The Real World but how she got paid for appearances, what is their biggest income source outside of reality TV, how the taxes work on the winnings, how Peter enjoyed being the lone wolf, breaking down game strategy, and what they would do differently during the game in retrospect. Trishelle and Peter also reveal why Phaedra was such a powerful player, what makes a great leader, how the two of them connected in the castle, their different styles within the game, how the decision was made to split the prize pool, what suggestions they have to elevate the game to a new level, and what future shows they would love to be on. Did they ever expect to go back into reality TV? Who do they think would be great for The Traitors? What do they wish would have aired that didn’t?  Peter and Trishelle reveal all that and so much more in another episode you can’t afford to miss!  Host: Jason Tartick Co-Host: David Arduin Audio: Declan O’Connell Guest: Peter Weber & Trishelle Cannatella Stay connected with the Trading Secrets Podcast!  Instagram: @tradingsecretspodcast  Youtube: Trading Secrets Facebook: Join the Group All Access: Free 30-Day Trial  Deals! Monarch: Monarch is the top-rated, all-in-one personal finance app that gives you a comprehensive view of all your accounts, investments, transactions and more. For an extended thirty day free trial go to monarchmoney.com/SECRETS ExpressVPN: Going online without ExpressVPN is like using your smartphone without a protective case. All it takes is one accidental drop to make you wish you had protected yourself! Secure your online data TODAY by visiting ExpressVPN.com/tradingsecrets ZocDoc: Go to Zocdoc.com/TRADINGSECRETS and download the Zocdoc app for FREE. Then find and book a top-rated doctor today. 

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So if you want to take advantage of those discounts, write the codes down here, or you can refer to our Instagram or show notes. But without further ado, let's get into this episode. We have two of the traders finest. We have Trichelon, who won. And Pilot Pete, of course, from Bachelor Nation, who absolutely, in my opinion, was the one of the MVP's in Traders this season. Trishel's background all in the challenge in MTV, and you'll hear more about that.

But if you haven't seen traders, you were one of the eight million humans that didn't see the finale. If you haven't seen traders, you were one of the people. people that didn't participate in this season, which grew 75%. So I want to tell you a little bit about the show, just so you're up to speed with it. So it's an American reality TV show and it's based on this Dutch series. The host is Scottish actor Alan Cumming. He's huge. The first season was released on Peacock in 2023 and the series was renewed for the second season. And this is the second season. Now, here's the format. A group of contestants arrive at a castle in the Scottish Highlands with the hopes of winning a large cash prize that is built up through missions. In season one,

there were 20 contestants, while in season two, there were 22 contestants. The players are referred to as the faithful, but among them are the traders, a group of contestants selected by the host, whose goal is to eliminate the faithfuls and claim the prize for themselves, right? So the traders are trying to get the faithfuls out and then claim the prize themselves. Should the faithful contestants eliminate all the traders, they will share the prize fund. But if any traders make it to the end, they steal the money. Now, most nights the traders come together and decide upon one faithful contestant to murder. and that person leaves the game immediately.

The remaining faithful contestants do not know who has been eliminated until the following day when that person does not enter the castle for breakfast. The first murder takes place before the first banishment. After that, the murders usually take place after the banishments. The group then takes part in a mission to add money to the prize fund. Some challenges also offer an opportunity for the players to visit the armory, where one player is secretly awarded the shield, which gives that player immunity from being murdered, but not from the banishment. An attempted murder on the shield holder will result in no player

being eliminated. At the end of each day, the players participate in this roundtable, where they discuss who to vote out before individually voting for a player to be banished. Players cast their votes privately, then reveal their votes in turn to everyone. They may give a brief to rationalize their vote. The person who received the most votes is eliminated and then will reveal if they are a traitor or if they are part of the faithful. When a traitor is eliminated, the remaining traders are given the opportunity to recruit another player. Once the game has reached the final four, the remaining players participate in the final challenge. The players are given a choice to banish again or end the game. A unanimous end game vote concludes the game, while a single vote to

banish again results in another banishment vote, followed by another choice between banish again or end game, which the game ends if all remaining players are faithful. Then the prize money is divided evenly among them. However, if any trader remains, they win the entire pot. So that's a little breakdown of how the show works. Now you'll hear specifically what happens with Pete. some of the game theory, but you'll see what happens. Like there was a time that Peter was a faithful. Many people thought he was a trader. The traders tried to recruit him to become a trader.

He said no, and you'll hear a lot of the game strategy here. This is a side of Peter and Chichelle. I can promise who you haven't seen. And yes, we will talk dollars and cents. Now, a little update from the market, I always got to give you a little tip and trick from Talk Money to me. So a couple stats to throw out you. that 73% of married or cohabitating Americans say money creates material tension in the

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And this week is just going to be electric. But enough of this, enough of me. Let's get into some gameplay with one of the best shows on TV. Traders. Welcome back to another episode of Trading Secrets. Today we are joined by two stars of Peacock's hit reality TV show, The Traders, Peter Weber and Trichelle. By the way, guys, this is a mid-intro interruption to tell you.

We are wearing glasses for many reasons. One, it's a trader's theme, so we're trying to hide behind the shades. Two, I have two massive sties. Three, Peter's just being a good bro. And Treschelle, you just got roped into it. That's right. All right. Many of you know Peter from his time on Hannah Brown's season of the Bachelorette,

followed by his lead role is The Bachelor the same year. Since his time on the show, Peter's continued his career as a commercial airline pilot for United Airlines, and even added the title of author to his resume after writing a children's book, titled The Adventures of Pilot Pete. Trichelle made her name appearing as a main cast member on the Real World Las Vegas back in 2002, followed by five different seasons of MTV's The Challenge at various other stints in reality TV world. In addition to her time on reality TV, Treschelle has also added the titles of model, real estate investor, and professional poker player to her career. More recently, and extremely importantly, Peter and Tresel have been hot topics around their strong performances on the hit reality show, The Traders, each of them along with other reality TV personalities.

were challenged to work as a group in a clue-themed competition to identify any traders within the group and vote them out in order to win the grand prize of 250K. So today we're going to discuss all the ins and outs of the show, feedback on their overall experiences

as contestants, and so much more. Peter and Treschelle, the double duel, the triple threat with me being hearing these sunglasses. Thank you, being on training secrets. Thank you. That was quite an introduction. I mean, there's a lot to cover

in that intro. Yeah. How are you two doing? We're good. We don't hate each, other so that's not no that's good honestly yeah we this is one of the my the best friendships I had that came out of the show so I love to shell super stoked to be able to play with there and yeah I love it well we just watched reunion and we did see

that maybe everyone is not still friends so we're gonna get into traders we're also getting in the fact that eight million people watched the season two finale after streaming and catch-up viewing was accounted for and you know what else about this season this is the biggest debut for any original reality TV series on streamer because it grew by 75% over its first season. So this was a huge season. So we're going to get into that. That's a little tease for my people. But before we do, let's get into some trading secrets before the show. So Peter, you were last on reality TV as the Bachelor, 2019, Trichelle, 2021. So we had four years

and five years there. The big question I have for you is, did you expect to be on reality TV and how did they find you? Let's start with you, Trichel. I sort of found them. I was 21, years old, and I was in college in Mississippi, and I heard this advertisement on the radio, guys. Sorry. I'm going to be laughing. FM or AM. I drove from Mississippi to New Orleans for an open casting call for a show that was going to be sort of like road rules, but it was called Lost in USA. And I passed up the line full of people because I was like, I'm not waiting in line. Like, I don't do these things. And so I was just like, I'm here for the casting. And I actually was cast for that show, but the show got canceled. And then they asked me to do the real world. So,

So you were in real world, 2002, and then you were all the way up to like, you did the challenge in 2012, the rivals in 2013. So from 2002 to 2013, you were on TV a lot. We've seen how reality TV has changed as far as monetization, especially with social media. And that period from 2002 to 2013 when you were on often, could you make a good amount of money from being on these shows? Or was it just like a little side part-time fun thing? It's so different because I missed the entire social media. aspect of it, right? Like, literally in 2002, we had message boards. MTV.com message boards. They were like, go for an hour on the message boards. And I had to be like, oh, when people were

like, we hate you, Treschall, be like, thank you for watching, whatever. Like AIM? Yeah. Like old chat rooms. That's before chat rooms. That's, yeah. Okay. Yeah. So we didn't have like all the things. So we weren't getting paid in that aspect. However, we were getting paid by doing appearances, bar appearances. So basically like you were drunk for five days a week. And what would you get paid for an appearance? Whenever we started out, it was like $35,000 to $5,000, like, a night. And then it dropped significantly because everybody started doing it.

And people were like negotiating prices and going lower. Got it. Hate those people. And so then it dropped to like $1,500. Then it was like $1,000. And then you'd always find somebody to do it for $250. So I just quit doing it. And then we'll fast forward to 2024 here in a second.

But those shows, when you were on them, did they pay well? No. Oh, my God. The real world, we feel. filmed in Vegas for five and a half months, which is amazing. However, it's taxing. It's a lot. You know, I was known and all this other stuff and recognized. We got paid $3,800 after taxes. For the whole five and a half months? What? That's it. Oh, my God. How times have changed? It's so bad. All right. Well, we see Bethany Frankel complain about reality TV now. I think

everyone's doing pretty well now compared to back then. She should have been around 20 years ago. Then the last thing I got for you, before we get into kind of current state, is you went from 2013 to 2021, no reality TV. But when in 2021, it was the challenge, All-Stars. After 2021, did you think you would be on another reality TV show, or did you think your reality TV career was done? Well, they always asked me to do the challenge because they're like, you know, Treselle's going to pop off on someone, like at some point.

Great TV. Yeah, you didn't really get to see that much about me on the traders. Like, I kind of kept my cool. And I think it's because, like, there was basically no alcohol there. I have a few drinks. I will definitely pop off. So they would always ask me, but I was like,

I don't need to do another challenge. I'm not trying to kill myself because the challenges are really tough. You're falling 50 feet into the water. They don't give you wet suits. It's not as nice as it was on the traders. But then when they asked me about the traders, I was like, okay, like, this seems nice.

I get to be off camera to sleep. I don't have to share a room with people. Like already, like you sold me. So I decided to do that. You just gave me a challenge. You said you pop off if you drink. to have to get some drinks flowing in here. The next 45 minutes, Evan, let's get some drinks going. Pete, I'm coming to you in just one second. Traders, who came to you? Well, like, tell us the business

behind it. Was an agent? Did you apply for it? Was it casting? Like, how did traders end up at your doorstep? So, I had a friend that worked at Peacock that's known me for probably 20 years. And casting had mentioned my name. And because they wanted a couple people from the challenge. Sure. And so they got my email address and casting just email me directly and asked for an interview. And when they email me, I was just like, okay, like maybe, maybe this will happen. I did my interview and I was very much like, I need to be a traitor. I told them like, this is all I want to do because I had watched series season. And I was like, I can do that. Now looking back on it, no way. But yeah, that's how they contacted me. Got it. Okay. In between 2021 and traders, which has been

your number one income source when you look at acting, real estate, poker, influencing stuff? What's been your number one income source? A real estate, actually. Okay. Real estate, and we have like a bunch of short-term rentals, and yeah, we started kind of doing that. During COVID, we actually picked up some properties. I love it. Good stuff. Good time to buy. All right, Peter, let's go to you.

It's been since 2019. You're on reality TV. We get to see that beautiful face back in action in a whole different capacity that we absolutely loved. But between 2019 and 2024, you've been on the show a few times. You've talked about it. What has been your number one income source? Is it monetizing through influencing, appearances, the podcast? the book or just the old United Airlines pilot.

Listen, United Airlines takes very good care of me. So, yeah, I would still say flying, yeah, flying for United. It's number one. Okay, same question goes for you. How did you end up back on reality TV? Was it through agency? Did they contact you direct? What's the story?

I got a last minute call. This was, it was so unexpected. I really never thought, you know, to be honest, that I'd ever do anything else with reality TV. And it was about a week before. we were supposed to be in Scotland to start filming the show. And it was just from a producer that reached out, asked if I had any interest. I had seen from Ari's season.

He'd done the first season for Traders. So I had seen a little bit of it. I remember when he was promoting it. So I knew about the show. And then immediately I was just like, yes. You know, I'd always been a yes, man. So I'm like, yes. If I can get the time off from work, if I can move my schedule around, I'm there.

And then the next day, I was able to call her back and be like, yeah, I got the time off. Let's do it. All right. I love that. So then let me ask you this. You both said yes. It had been four or five years. got to ask about negotiating, hey, like, we know what your winnings were. That's very public.

But how did that work? Can you talk at all about, like, what you were paid? Or is it a day rate? Did you negotiate it? Is everyone paid the same? What can you give me? Well, I know that not everybody was paid the same because Sandra, I think the first day, I didn't even really introduce myself. She's telling people what they got paid and said that what she got paid. I love that to you too. She was so hysterical. No way. She was telling everyone what she got paid. I will say Sandra got paid double what I got paid. Stop. But you know what?

She's one survivor twice. That's true. Interesting. Okay, so everyone got paid differently of base. I'm fine with it. Okay. Do you get, are you allowed to say how much you got paid or? I'm not going to say how much I got paid for anybody who's watching who might ask me for another show.

Yeah, okay. I like that. And I don't want to be in trouble with traders because I am petitioning. I've never been more thirsty than going on the show. We've got to get you. Give me on that show. Not only give me on that show, but I would be fun if you put someone from the batch of franchise that I did or didn't get along with. If you need a lead, fine.

throw a lead in there. Let's mix it up. That would be fun. Possibly an X? Throw it in there. I would do it. I would love that. Could you imagine? We'd either like join forces.

We would join forces and absolutely dominate. Or we would absolutely go after each other. Either way, though. Either way it would be good TV. I don't know. Let me ask you this, though. Can you give me this type of hint? Your prize pool, okay?

You won the big, you came in first. Like, what you got paid to be on the show? Is it even compared to that? Or like, can give me a warm? Okay, it's warm. Okay, you gave us enough without getting in trouble. Yeah. How about that?

Winner and chicken dinner. Winner, winner, chicken dinner. Now, for the big prize pool, and we're going to get into some of your strategy, when you got paid that amount, how do you taxes work on that? People are asking this. Like, do they take it off immediately? Is it 1099 you're responsible? Because your pay was what, like 125?

104. 104. Yeah, let's see. I think that might, oh, my God. It was international, so it was different. I think they do take taxes out. They're taking, I think, 20. and then we have to do something on our end,

but like, I don't know, it's my husband's tax guy. Okay. And then I was just kind of, we have like a bunch of LLCs. I have no clue. My husband's the guy that does all that stuff. Like, he does the finances. We have all this other things going on. Okay.

So then let's get into, like, we're going to call this section the trader secrets, okay? A couple rapid fires to start out with. I want to hear from both you. Before we get into the rapid fires, simple question. It's a lab. How many days do you guys do you guys? Ooh, days.

I mean, I can go by weeks. I think it was almost four weeks. four weeks. Okay. So obviously you started start to finish and then you were probably gone what three weeks in or so? Yeah, I wasn't. I did. I think I left about a week before you. Okay. And then I'm always, this is my natural curiosity. It doesn't tie to business, but you'd said there's not much drinking. Did you have like in The Bachelor, you can only have certain amount of drinks per hour and stuff. Were you allowed to have any drinks at all? So what, Peter? It was like one glass of wine. We would, it was really three days or something whenever we eat. For the show, I think it's just different kind of dynamic than like that's not really the kind of. That's not really the kind of vibe that they're going for, having people kind of pretty tipsy. It's a, it's an analytical game, right? Very mental game. Yeah, but it would be funny if people like on Ed like drinking, like, or using alcohol as a means to like get someone drunk and get some information. That happened. That happened with Harvardy and that can't see. So there was, I guess I can't, I take that back. It was a little bit of that. But really, we wouldn't really

drink. They'd give us like one glass of wine. They take our drink orders after the round table ceremony. Okay. We'd do some reality. And then, you know, at that point when the night's starting to kind of, like, wind down. That was, like, the one time where we could really kind of just drink and enjoy each other's company and hang out. Okay. But I liked it because this is the first reality show that I've done where it's been, like, to me, one drink is dry.

You're like, we were sober as shit. Only reality TV has done sober, okay? Like one glass of wine, we're sober. Yeah. And so, yeah, and I liked it because I was so on point and clear-headed. And when I got back, I was just like, I can take over the world. Like, I've basically been in rehab for four weeks. I mean.

Skins. You're just glowing. No alcohol. I'm speaking of. I love it. We came through. Hey, Evan, we were just put you to the challenge. Evan came through for everybody watching.

Go check us out on YouTube. Wow. What is that? And you know what that means? Right before we get into traitor secrets. Wow. Holy smokes. Trichelle is about to pop off.

We have white claws here. These are not the 0% non-alcoholic premium shelters that we endorse. These are the legit stuff. So you said you're going to pop off. I have never seen this before. Treschelle, you said you're going to pop off. You just talked about your cleanse. Do you want me to do it for you?

I cannot break those beautiful nails. Oh, yeah, I want the strawberry. Can I have this? Yeah, of course. Thank you. Okay, while he's doing that, I'm going to get into trade your secrets. Cheers, guys. Cheers.

Salute. Lifelaw, sponsor me. Thank you, Kevin. We have a white claw connect, so we'll talk. Okay. So let's get into this. This is going to be rapid fire for each you guys. Okay.

I'm going to go to you first, Pilot Pete. All right. And I want you to, I don't want you to think about it. I want you to just give me your answer. It's a person from the show. We'll start with number one. Other than you, show's MVP. And you cannot say, Trishol.

That was going to be. Because she's right here, sucking up, even though it's probably true. Listen, CT. Okay, fair. Toughest player. CT. Smartest business person in the entire group. Badra.

Okay. Master manipulator. Parvety. Most improved player. Myself. Okay, oh, I love that. Okay, let's go into Trader Secrets with you, Trichel. You got a little, you know, we're talking to analytics here.

You got a little teaser there. You know what's coming. Shows MVP. It's Peter. Oh, it couldn't be Peter. I can't see Peter. I can't see Peter. Okay.

MVP for a different reason, I'll say Pedro. Okay. Worst player. MJ. Tough. Oh, she's throwing darts early. I understand. One sip of white claw and she's popping off.

All right. Toughest player. CT. Smartest player. Oh, smartest player. I would say John. Okay, smartest business person. Fadra.

Yeah, I think everyone's on board with that. Master Manipulator. Master Manipulator? Yeah. You're like me. I want to say me. Okay. But Parvety probably too, yeah.

Okay, and then Most Improved player. Peter. Oh, shit, Peter, sorry. Yeah. Most improved. I'm going to go ahead and say, Kevin. He came a little bit and better towards the years. I think that's a good answer.

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You did like being alone. I enjoyed that. I kind of liked no one having any game film on me. I thought that kind of worked to my advantage at some point. Interesting. Until I kind of felt like I was, you know, making my moves and getting my bearings straight. So, yeah, no one had any producing notions. There's definitely game film on you.

We could find some game film. But, you know, it's different type of game. I don't know how much of it was. All right. Fair enough. Now, you threw the question to me already. I'd be down for it. I'd be in for it.

Throw me that curveball. that X rate in the mix and let's do this. All right. I'm just a dynamic, yeah. I'm going to throw it to you. You're on that show and either Hannah Ann, Maddie Pruitt, or Kelly walks in the door, how do you handle that situation in game show? All three of them?

One of them. One of the three of them. Like, what's your, tell me, we see that you're a good game player. Yeah. We see that you're analytical. Yeah. One of them walks in the door. What's your instant strategy going to be?

Well, you thought Kelly was going to be on it. You thought I can sue as Kelly. Cali would be a great, like, can we just, we can both say that. Yeah, no, Kelly would be. Kelly would be exceptionally, exceptionally well at the game. And I thought Kelly was there. I don't know if I told you. No.

The first day we were driving to the castle. Yeah. And we were all in these like Humvees, like Land Rover's and there was four of us in each car. So you only met three people at first before everyone shows up to the castle. And then the rest of the cast. And so we're driving around doing some tracking shots. And I'm in the front right seat of the car. Ekinsu is in the front right seat of her car.

And we're passing each other. And from like a distance, they have a very similar look, right? So I see her and my heart stops. I'm like, Babe Rock, literally drop. I'm like, oh, my, I just, like, kind of panicked. I'm like, I haven't seen her since, you know, everything kind of, we ended things.

And then I got, you know, we got out of the car and I saw it was Echon Sue and I could breathe again. But, dude, I don't know. What would just think? So Kelly comes out, what? Yeah. And strictly emotions aside. Yeah.

When you're thinking strategy for your game, what would the strategy be in your, inside the game? You're not thinking like an X. Like, what's the game? Listen, if it's pure strategy. Yeah. Sure game play, no emotions, no like you're not talking poorly like shirt strategy. What are you doing?

I am trying to have a very, very early on a conversation with whoever it is. Just like get away from everyone, just talk through things. Let's bury the hatchet, bury everything. Let's be totally cool. And then possibly use that relationship and see if I can, if you could almost maybe manipulate that relationship later on in the game for the benefit of coming out on top. 100%. Yeah.

I love this game talk. Oh, I would do this. Like, I would do, if I had, let's suppose this is Max, or it was like someone, like, you know, someone connected to Max, let's just say that. I would go in and establish immediately, like, are we going after each other? Or are we going to, like, use this as an advantage and tell everyone that we're not friends? I think that's what I would do. And then down the road, spoiler, I would totally, like, back door him.

Or her. Yeah, I mean, you could do that, but I think honestly, I'd stay on the same page. My gameplay would be to have that combo, let's bury the hatchet. If they were cool, I said, okay, listen, we need to sell this narrative that we're not cool. That we're not cool. Let's play this to our advantage, the entire game. Be like, we hate each other. And it's good TV.

You like that move. And let's fight move. And talk shit, like talk shit behind the scenes, be like, oh, if you knew what she did or whatever, so that it's like really playing into it. But you'd have to be totally aligned that that's what you're going to do. He did that with Kevin, kind of. Yeah, it would make so much sense. So with an actual accent.

You know what? It would have been cool even at the end. But, yeah, we're exes, but to win a game like that together. And, like, put it behind you. I agree. And then, like, your friends again. All right, Trishel, we're going to you. We know you had network alliances.

What did you feel about that when you walked in there? Did you think, like, this is a good thing? I got this in the bag where you're like, oh, shit. How'd you feel about it? I'm sorry, but bananas is not the person that you want on your side. That's not the sole person that you want to trust for life. Love the guy, but he would steal money from his own grandmother. Yeah, I think he would admit that, honestly.

Yeah. Wasn't it easy when I saw him. I was a little bit uneasy. But he and CT, right whenever I saw them, I was like, oh, my gosh, they're going to get together and they're going to vote me out. It's like the paranoia of the game started right away. Okay.

And so it was easier whenever Johnny Bananas got murdered because then I can isolate CT. And so I just kind of use that to my advantage a little bit because had Johnny stayed in the game, it would have been rough. Okay. I don't want to put this, if this is going to cause issues, don't answer it. But I would think in challenge shows, you really want personalities.

They're going to add to the show and the drama and the total ratings. Yeah. It feels as though Johnny going out that early hurts the show. Yeah.

So from your standpoint, it feels as though I don't want to talk to you guys, but do you, it's like production involved at all with like who can stay and go? No.

Because if they were, Johnny would have stayed. Yeah, that's my point. That's what I was thinking about it. They were not involved. Okay. Not even because you know, I feel like some of the other shows

like Big Brother and stuff. I do feel like that might be the case. It was a very clean game. You did whatever you wanted to do, any combo, however long you wanted to. It was all you. Okay. That's why I highly suggest people go on the show if they're asked. Okay.

I love it. Trader secrets on trading secrets. We obviously talk a lot of business and planning and strategy here, but I want to hear from you guys. Like when you went in, so imagine like you build a business plan, right? You have an idea. You guys come in with a clean slate. When you walk in there, what did you do before?

What was the game plan high level? Like, what was your thought process going into this? what were you going to do and how are you going to do it differently? Let's start with your Trishel. Okay. I sort of had a plan that I was going to be, I wanted to be a little bit more low-key than I was first banishment, but low-key-you-did not go low-key at first.

I know. I didn't plan on it, but there was actually a strategy to that too. But my strategy was to just like be low-key until the middle and then dial up a little bit and then really like start to be more vocal. But also I learned that you could use being vocal at a roundtable to keep yourself safe from murder. which you picked up on very early as well. And so I kind of used that to my advantage.

I literally thought that peppermint was a traitor. So I thought that if I was more vocal, then I wouldn't get murdered. Interesting. Okay, so that was part of your strategy. Yes. Peter, what was your strategy? You're coming in from The Bachelor. So I feel like you got a few options here.

You could play it kind of dumb. You could play it kind of loosey, play into the brand, you know, all the stuff. But like, what was your thought? I was just trying not to fall in love with any of the girls in the show. That was part of your strategy. I'm this good looking guy here trying to find my, wife, don't mind me. I'm just like, I wanted to do under the radar. I wanted to kind of, again,

I've never done a competition-based show like this, so I didn't know what I was walking into. I had confidence that I could pull something off, but I wanted to get my bearings straight, kind of get my feel. And then I feel like when the whole shield block, whole move happened to get you know, Parvety and Dan kind of, you know, targets on them, I felt like I gained a lot of confidence in that moment. And I appreciated that. It kind of like, okay, now I can play with the big dogs. I know these people are, I didn't really know how big every, all the cast was in their fields they came from. These were all stars. Yeah, yeah, yeah. The best of the best. Yeah. And so I kind of learned that in the first couple days, a little bit of intimidation set in. But once I kind of made a move,

I'm like, all right, I got confidence. I can play with them. You can play it. I got vocal. And then I decided, okay, now I've made my move. I got to kind of stay this way. And then like Patricia L said, once you get loud at that point, it almost becomes your protection. Because if you put so much heat on traders and you're so vocal, they almost can't murder you that next night because now it's too obvious. It's too obvious. So that's part of the tactic. All right, let's go to this. A lot of people in their workplace, look at it as like a game. They're trying to negotiate. They're trying to maneuver against peers to like get the leg up to get promoted. What, let's go. We'll start with you to show. What is one tactic you used in traders that allowed you to get what you wanted out of a

situation? It could be your tone. It could be body language. It could be triangulating. Like what was one tactic you use that really allowed you to get your way? Because both you two were leaders in the pack this show. Thank you. I have heard that actually. But I think that the ability to adapt and pivot in situations. So like whenever you have to change your game a bit, right? So after I was super vocal with the first banishment, I was like, okay, I'm going to pull back a lot and like kind of fall back into the bushes. And so and then whenever I had to pivot again, and be a little bit more vocal. I did that.

It's just you have to continuously change with the game. Serious was like, listen, resilience, adapt, angle. Yes. Okay. Peter, you, one thing you did tactic-wise to get your way in situations when you needed to get your way. I think my loyalty helped me progress in the game

with, Chichelle being one of them, you know, the group of faithfuls that we were really close with. Me kind of being able to demonstrate that loyalty through examples, I think maybe help me gain confidence from the group, more too to continue making plays and trying to, if I had an idea to listen to me and

get on board with it. I wish I would have been able to adapt a little bit more like Trichelle was talking about. I struggled with, and maybe it was just because it was impossible to do, but the move where we kind of switched again from, you know, I'm all on poverty and now I want to go to Fadre. Sure. I understood the reason why we were doing that. It's a numbers game. Yeah, but it was, that was so, I tried my best, but that was so hard to do a switch like that and adapt in that moment last minute. Could have done better job. with that. But Shishel, what did you mean by that when you said to numbers?

Yeah, where you explained that? Well, I play poker. Yeah. Sort of like odds. People are like chips in the game and you've got to figure out like who's going to be with you and who's going to be against you and thinking a couple steps ahead. Basically, I just knew that there were people that were so tight in the Bravo group that they weren't going to vote against Fadra.

Parvety was sort of by yourself. So I look at that opportunity as bring the person who is by themselves in. She's not going to vote us out. She, Parvety is very aware. She thinks like a gamer. She knew that Fager had more people. So she's going to naturally come and side with us. So the only problem was that John and Kevin were really not privy to that

and didn't understand where we're going. So you did the right thing. They screwed it up. The hard part was, though, and I've heard a lot of feedback too, is you don't have that much time to conversate and come up with the game plan. Sure. Very limited time. The second producer say, okay, reality's done, you're done.

And let's tell you to stop talking. We tried. So you do have to, like, just trust your intuition at times. right, obviously. Now, what's interesting, guys, back home, pot odds. So the idea behind pot odds, it's game theory, essentially the idea that based on the return of your investment, your move will make sense whether you're committed to what's in the overall total pot. So it's thinking through like, where am I at? What's the likelihood of my outcome? And based on what I do, I should put perspective to that. So that could be used and translated in poker,

negotiating, and of course, traders, which is incredible. Oh, yeah. I know the game. I know the game really well. All right, let's get into. We talked about things that you guys did really well. Learning from what you didn't do well on the show. Obviously, hindsight's 2020. Peter, what's one thing, one move you would have done differently seeing what you've seen now? I wouldn't have ostracized a portion of the castle

the way that I did. Again, I know that it was just a result of the way that the show went with the schedule and the amount of time we had to talk, but I think that hurt my game, having feelings kind of be hurt. I tried to make up for it later on, and like, you know, extend like an olive branch.

But I think that was hard to recover from. Once people feel a certain way, they don't forget that. Let me ask you yes, why not take the trader's offer? Why did you decline it? Do you regret doing that? I don't. I don't. And it was for two different reasons.

One, I legit didn't want to turn on my team. Like we had a lot of momentum going. It happened so much fun. And I thought, listen, I wouldn't have rejected it. No matter what, I wouldn't have rejected it if I didn't think there was still a path of victory by rejecting it. So I ultimately thought there was still a chance that I could. Fair. That's good.

And then, but also I didn't think it made sense just because at that point, I'd been so vocal, so loud, putting so much heat and it was accurate heat on the traitors. I thought, okay, the next morning, it's going to be revealed someone got recruited. Who's the obvious choice for the crew? I would say it was me. So I'm like, there's really no point. There's pros and cons, but there's no point to accept this. They can throw me under the bus the very next day. Get all this credibility.

Parvety and Fader could go sore to the end, and I'd be banished as a traitor. I'm like, I'm not going to do that. That's fair. So you still saw a path to victory. And then we'll talk a little bit here soon. about you and Fadra and maybe what she did to get the last laugh. What you could have done differently? But before we do that,

Treschelle, what's one thing you would have done differently watching the show back? I didn't like the first banishment. I felt like it got a little nasty and it felt like I was behind kind of like a herd mentality. And so I didn't... We all were at that point. Yeah, I didn't realize it though at the time

because nobody was listening to me. And if you saw the show, nobody listened to me pretty much the entire time. But in everyday life, Thinking back on it, had I had a longer conversation with peppermint, we would have been amazing allies on the show, too. Yeah. You know? So I wish that I would have just, like, had more conversations worked with her in the beginning.

Yeah. So of all the moves, even when we saw, you know, your last move in the finale, that's the one you would have changed. That was the one that I regret more on a personal level. I think game-wise, I would have trusted CT a little bit more. And, yeah, actually it worked out in the end. No, I don't regret it. This Labor Day, say goodbye to spill, stains, and overpriced furniture with washable sofas.com, featuring Anabay, the only machine washable sofa inside and out, where designer quality meets budget-friendly pricing.

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What about Fadra? What do you think she did? How did she just scoot by and beat Chappelle? Trichelle was right. Fadre had so much influence, so much power in that castle. And listen, what do you think it is about her, though? Because I want to translate, like, even power in the castle to, like, people at home that are powerless. Like, what is it about her that gave her so much power?

I think she just, she carries herself in such a way, literally, where you look at her and, like, the first word that comes to my mind. is power. She just is so confident. She's so smart, so educated. You know, such an incredible businesswoman has, I kept learning about a new business that she had pretty much every single day. It's very savvy in the reality TV world is really good in the social game. It's so quick witted. You know, you guys all heard like the one-liners. Yeah, she's quick. They just come out over and over and just as a really good social player. I think she, I definitely think she made some mistakes strategically. I would have done different. And if I was her, but her social game was so good. That's what carried her for so far.

I want to bring this back to The Bachelor. So you were among studs on your season with Hannah Brown, right? You got Tyler Cameron, yourself, a bunch of others. Obviously, you ended up being the one they chose. And then you're leading as the lead as the Bachelor. We saw you as a leader on this show. So much that you got called, someone said, I think it was, I think it was Patriot that said, this guy could be a cult leader.

Okay? Now let's go back to the Bachelor. Do you think there is something instinctively that like maybe back home, we didn't know about you, that you are a leader. Like, when you're on the Bachelorette, you're a leader amongst your peers. That's why you were the lead. That's why you had one of the top rated seasons of all time. Like, is there something about your leadership ability?

Maybe we didn't see in the bachelor that does hold true that we're seeing now? I mean, yeah, I take that as a compliment, not the cult leader part. Not the cult part. Leader's good. Drop the cold. Yeah, I'll take the leader. I just, yeah, I've kind of always carried myself in that way. I don't know if it goes back to, you know, I was really interested in going in the Air Force.

route and RFC in college to be a fighter pilot. And, you know, they instill a lot of great lessons, you know, at an early age there. You know, just in my career, you know, being a captain, that's the, the greatest honor I've had so far in my career, my first airline I ever flew for. It was the most fun I had. And as a captain, you're responsible for every single person on that flight. Like, it all comes down to you and your decision making you use everyone. And a great leader, in my opinion is someone that can make the entire group feel like their opinion is just as valuable as everyone else is, and everyone, you know, comes together for the success at the end. But I think it just comes from my career and that being ingrained, you know, from an early age. And I just carried

over to the show. Okay. Can I piggy back on? Of course. Yeah. So people were like, especially my friends, were like, how did you and Peter become so tight? And I was like, well, obviously, my husband is a pilot. They have the exact same experience job. My husband was Air Force. My husband. So whenever I met Peter, I was so relieved because I got to like feel like I was a little bit home. We vibe right from the very beginning. It was the first thing you said to me. I know. And we were talking.

We were laughing about like the pilot lingo that nobody else kind of understood. And we got to talk about that. And his whole family is like that life. I already knew what his life was like because that's life I'm living. Right. And I also know that my husband is a super honest, trustworthy person who takes care of things who is so smart. So I just knew I was like, God,

Peter is going to be brilliant in this game. people are going to probably underestimate him. He's going to be shocking. But yeah, so I trusted him immediately. And my husband, the first conversation I had with him, because we got like 10 minutes a week to talk on the phone. He was like, well, they leaked the cast. He's like, I just hope that you're working with Pilot Tee.

Wow. And I didn't even, yeah. Interesting. He hadn't even talked to him. He knew that I'd be working. That you knew. And just there are some leadership, like, qualities in certain careers like that that translate. Peter and John, those are the two people that he picked.

God, where your husband knows you that, eh? I'll tell you what. Okay, I got some more strategy questions for you, but Pete, I want to end with this one on your end. So, and this one, this one's a little tougher, okay? But you think about on the show, you were a leader, and you could tell that you have a ton of loyalty to the people you were leading, okay? We've seen that almost to a fault, actually. And then on the Bachelor side, we also thought like you've had three relationships from the Bachelor franchise, been very loyal in each of those, and now you're single, searching again for love. Yeah. Do you find, talk to me, and I want this to hit with people back home, people that are loyal, but might be overly loyal, maybe loyal to a fault. Do you at any times in this game or in life feel like you are loyal to a fault? And is there anything you are learning about yourself to do differently because of that, personally, professionally, or in this game?

That's a good question. First part of that, no. I would never say you could be loyal to a fault. And I mean that because if it's the right person, it's never going to be. be to a fault. You're never going to feel like you're in that position. I truly feel that. And, you know, yeah, obviously in my romantic life and I'm still looking and trying to, you know, fill that gap and I'm never going to rush it. But I truly feel like the right person will come along. And that won't ever be part of the discussion being too loyal to a fault. I think for the biggest thing that I kind of learned from the show and my experience on The Bachelor. And I guess a little bit of it kind of crossed over to the traders. And I don't know if it's necessarily all loyalty. But on the Bachelor, I remember just being such a people pleaser.

And I wanted to give everything to as many people as possible. I looked at it like, okay, have all these women that are putting their life on hold to come meet me. And that's like a huge honor there. And so I owe it to them to like give them my all. Yeah. And like there's only so much of that though you can do. Yeah, because you'll drain yourself. You drain yourself.

Yeah. And by the end of the bachelor, it was just emotionally, physically so draining. And I feel going into the traders, I definitely remember saying all the time, I'm like, listen, I'm playing this game so different than the like nothing actually is crossing over because I'm trying to completely remove myself from emotion. Right? This is all strategic. And just gave. Granted, a little bit of emotion came through, I guess the loyalty aspect. But I remember and it kind of came and almost bit me in the ass a little bit. But like I wasn't that people pleaser. Like I was, you know, closing doors. Sure. And like I was doing what needed to be done for like the best interests of, you know, my group, myself, like our chance of winning. And that wasn't something I did on The Bachelor that I wish I would have done. And so I saw some growth in that aspect. And, I was happy with that. That's pretty cool. I mean, people pleasers are typically self-sacrificers, right?

Self-sacrificers usually can have a lot of issues with getting things done. They need to get done because they're so worried about everyone else. So it's fascinating to see what Bachelor taught you that actually translated in this case. I asked it in this order because, Trishel, I would say that your style is much different than that, right? I think there are a lot of people at home that are people-pleasers that struggle. They're so worried about what everybody thinks, especially with social media these days. And I don't want to post. I don't want to do this.

I'm so worried. take you for someone that doesn't give a shit what people think i could be wrong maybe you just do it well but talk to me about your idea of like how you know when to be like you're an enemy you're on my team and just like the you're good at boundaries that's what i feel like you're good tell us about that i have always been a very competitive person i play competitive sports my entire life i when i play games i get super competitive i can literally fight with friends over taboo but like yeah so for me whenever i'm in game mode. That's the CT calls it game mode. I'm just there. Do I care? In my everyday life, I kind of am a people pleaser because I want people to like me. But at one point when I feel like

I'm being pushed, then I'm just like, screw it, I don't care. But in this game in particular, I went in there knowing that they were going to be way famous people, like the housewives and everything, more famous than I was. And I was just like, I'm not going to let anyone intimidate me. And people are sometimes uncomfortable with a woman who's super confident. And that's not my problem. In no capacity do you face imposter syndrome whatsoever? No. How do you not get phased by other people like that? What do you do? Like in a game situation, I don't. But you know what's weird is that I'll feel like bad about like social media trolls. Strangers. It's so weird. So poker face to face you're with these big people. You're not at all intimidated. But the trolls can get to you. Yeah. It's weird.

It's also like I kind of the person that when you put me on the spot, I don't get nervous. Yeah. Interesting. You have to throw me in the water. Do you have any tips for that or you think you're just born with that? I think I've always been that way. Yeah. Okay. All right. Well, for some people that aren't, take some notes out of Trichelles out of her playbook

because that's a great quality. Now, let's talk about this. I love the fact that you guys split the prize pool two ways. I think it's awesome. I think you should. Take that bag. Do it. Was that part of the strategy when you guys were down to picking who you wanted to win?

Did you think let's get someone out so we could split this two ways? Or did you really think MJ might have been a trader? No, I didn't think that MJ was a traitor. I knew she wasn't. We weren't sure how it was going to go. Like, CT switched the vote on me, like, really last minute with I wanted Sandra to stay, and he wanted Sandra to be voted out. So I had to be, whenever you're that little of people, you don't want to be the standout vote.

So I had to kind of vote with them and switch my game. Like I said earlier, you have to switch a little bit. So I adapted in that sense. CT and I mentioned it with Johnny Bananas, that we kind of wanted us three to maybe all. Wouldn't it be cool if we all did it for the challenge, good old days? Yeah. It would make the fandom happy, whatever. And we mentioned it, but it wasn't, like, clear that we were going to do that.

It wasn't, like, a plan. I mean, did you see that I voted for him? Of course. So I really thought that he was a traitor for a minute. I didn't know if that was planned when you voted for him. Like, that was part of it? That would be the worst plan ever. Why would it be so strategic this entire time and play notes?

Did you think MJ was going to vote for him? Yeah, because I had a conversation with her right before. And I said, MJ, I trust you 100%, and I don't trust anybody else here 100%. So then why is she said? Why was she so bitter then? I am wondering that. Do you think it was an act? Been in cahoots.

If you and MJ were on the same page and you followed through and she didn't follow through, and if she followed through, you two would have won and split the bag. Why is she so upset? I tried to explain it to her, too. This seems like 101 though. It seems like... Like one-on-one off-camera. I tried to explain it to her.

She just is very upset. I think that her whole thing, she's hung up on the fact that we could have split it three ways. But that's literally not how the game where it was going. We were presented with what we had, right? And so I thought C.T. was a traitor. We had already thrown the red pouches. We couldn't redo it. Yeah.

So, like, we couldn't be like, just kidding, Alan. Like, we want to split it three ways. And that's how the game is designed. And the game is called traitors. And deceit and betrayal is in the tagline. And I'm sorry if you guys are heard about it. But that's what it is. You know, you're welcome for, you know, giving you good tell.

Putting on that show. Like, was C.T. at all irritated with you off camera behind the scenes that you voted for him originally? No. We don't get really that butt hurt, actually. Like, I mean, I was upset with him in the firestorms. I feel like gamers don't. I was going to say, just a pro, right? Yeah.

You guys get it. He laughed. He was like, he's like, you are just something. And I was like, I am. So you online, though, have been getting a little pushback. A little, yeah. Tell me about the pushback and why. They, people are just so upset about MJ.

They're just like, you guys are greedy. But, like, the difference whenever you split it three ways was like, what, 70K? That's not going to, like, make or break anybody's life. And so for me, it's just, it wasn't about that. I threw her a bone. She didn't accept it. And why would I again vote against CT if she already wrote my name down? Yeah.

Like, sorry, you did it to yourself. Like, that's kind of- I didn't think about that. It's true, yeah. Why would I- This Labor Day, say goodbye to spill, stains, and overpriced furniture with washable sofas.com. Featuring Anna Bay, the only machine washable sofa inside and out, where designer quality meets budget.

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And that's why she didn't murder her. What was that reason that you wanted to win the money? Well, okay. So my husband and I had done fertility stuff, and we went through that whole journey and that's like super expensive, which we had already paid off, obviously. But then surrogacy is like super expensive.

Yeah. So I was just like, you know, we were looking at surrogates during the pandemic and then that kind of went through. So I just mentioned that. Oh, that's, yeah. But like it wasn't a set thing. Sure.

And I don't want anybody asking me when I'm having a baby. Okay, got you guys. She shared, that's enough traitor secrets that she's going to give, so we'll actually take that. Not one DM about the baby. I am, I am that.

I am glad, though, we got to ask about that. I want to ask you, though, suppose MJ's is substituted there, okay, and say Peter makes it. So it's Peter. No. Peter, are we doing this again? Yeah, we're doing it again.

Is that hurt? I don't even have to finish the question. He's there. What are you doing and why? And what did she say to you that hurt? Well, I, come on, we want the off-camera traitor secrets here. I don't want to throw you. I mean, it's not, no, it wasn't that bad.

I was just like, I remember I heard this. I get it. She was her, so CT, Trichelle, MJ were kind of going at it. And then what did MJ say? MJ said something, or Andy then said, well, Trishel, yeah, would you have turned on your last minute? No, he didn't say, he did not say it just directed toward me. He said, Peter Pals, all of us. He said, at some point, like, you guys were going to have to, you know, vote each other out

because you can't take five people to the end. And would you guys have done it? No, specifically I said, would you have turned on Peter? Would you have turned on Peter? And then Trishol goes, yeah, of course. I said it's a game. And Peter was like... I remember hearing it and I processed it a little too late after Andy.

He was mad about it. And I'm like, during a break, I'm like, wait, Trishol, what? What? So did you think he was a traitor or no? Never. I never thought he was. Okay, so he's in the final three. What are you doing for your vote?

I would have probably voted C.T. out because I, well, I thought that he did that anyway, 100%. What would you have done? If it was the, so if it was the three of us, obviously I was going to go with Trishel, C.T. was just someone, I say like he was like, what you asked the questions early in the game, like the most powerful or like strategic. He was just someone. He did weird moves though. He did weird moves. He just always threw me off. And I like, I went back and forth at them so many times that I wouldn't have been comfortable ending the game with him. Trishall would have gone to the very end. Anyone, you know. in the Peter Palace I haven't been on the M4, but. Okay. I was not going to vote Peter out. You were not going to vote Peter out. You're not going to vote Peter out. I don't know, a lot of back and forth here.

You know, we're not playing the game here to show. This is real life here. All right, Peter, let me ask you this last question about game theory. Is there anything you think you could have done now, seeing it all back to get MJ and Sandra to believe you? No. I mean, we had a lot of these conversations at the reunion. And Sandra was very, very honest. Sandra and I, like, we talked a lot.

Sandra knew that I was a faithful and still voted me out. And she was doing that. I can't blame her because she's trying to win. Everyone's trying to win the game. She was going under the strategy of playing. She called it her traitor angel. And so she wanted Fadra to truly think that, which is what I was doing with Parvey. I guess a lot of us were doing the same strategy, maybe I was just the most vocal.

But Sandra was trying to convince Fader that she really thought she was a faithful and just using that protection and make it to the end. So she told me, she knew that I was a faithful. And obviously that hurts things to know. Yeah. Interesting. There's nothing you could have done. All right. I want to say that I do feel a little bit like the other side of the house, we're gaslighting us a little bit. Number one, they called themselves the leftovers.

We were the leftovers. No one in our group was from the same show. They had a solid group. They were the Bravo people. We were the leftovers. So that's number one. Number two, sorry, I'm going off. I had a couple of steps of third and third.

Pop off. Pop off, Trishel. Number two, they were, they basically had the same strategy. or Sandra did that Peter did as far as the Trader Angel thing and the numbers game, but they were blaming us for it. I'm like, no, you guys have the same strategy. She showed it with the ball, with the pull balls. Yeah.

Everyone was doing really the same thing. Well, I was going to say, the devil's advocate, right? In the life of real world, gaslighting is like a terrible form of manipulation. In game world, it's fucking brilliant, right? Like, for them to gaslight you was part of their game. That's true. If they actually were using their name leftovers as a means to, like, gaslight you, like, They crushed it.

Yeah. Right? What I think, though, would help with that. Just my two cents for the game. Because I think this show is going to be uber successful for many years to come. It's just they hit gold with this. Only suggestions I would have is randomize the picks for traders in the beginning. So there's no one at a target on their back.

It's a good idea. It's a computer algorithm that picks however many and not allow so many recruitments. Just to then now that takes rid of the problem of people playing with these trader angels and playing the game that way. No, have maybe five traders at the beginning and just go as long as the game takes to get rid of them. But if you know that someone's always going to get recruited when you get down to a certain amount of traitors, people then are going to play this traitor angel game. Of course. And that could possibly hurt the competition of it.

Yeah. So I was going to ask you if you thought there was any inefficiencies or flaws within the actual game. I think that's your answer. How about for you? Also, and I think because you're, I think, a similar thinker as I am. And I was thinking in the mind of a producer from the beginning. So I was like, if I were a producer, who would I choose to be a traitor? Of course.

Dan. Yeah. Badra. Like, I mean, these are like, it was kind of obvious. Yeah, you have to. Right. Like, I want to see a really good. That's an inefficiency.

Yeah. Like, because I'm watching the UK season too. And they have like a 22 year old guy there and I'm in the beginning of it. But he's killing it. Bergey, nobody would ever have suspected him. Yeah. So it plays into both ways. Like the people you suspect, it's like obvious.

It helps them. Yeah. But if bananas goes back and they don't do that, I honestly could see bananas getting murdered every single first night. I see that too. I see that too. Yep, you're right. All right, let me ask you about this.

This is just some misconceptions. People want to know, do traders actually meet in the middle of the night? Yeah. Okay. Do you guys actually sleep in the mansion? We slept great in Scotland. We'll say that. We can't say.

Oh, you're not allowed to say that? No. Okay, so you didn't. Okay. One thing then, we'll say that. Alan Cummings in real life, legend? Yeah. Can I just say this real quick?

Alan, I had so much respect for him because the entire experience of filming it, he never broke character once. He was what you see on screen the entire time and method acting brought you into that environment. We got to hang out with him once with press in New York at his club, club coming, and it was the first time I got to actually talk to him

and he was not in character. And I'm like, dude, that's so cool. You just didn't break character at all and it really made us feel like, you know, we're really in this game and playing with this, you know. That's pretty cool. Okay, I like that. What is one thing that you wish aired that didn't?

Let's go with you first, Peter. I thought it would have, I tried to extend the olive branch a lot. So everyone that, everyone except Fadra at the end there, I told that I had received the recruitment letter for to try to, like, gain some trust with them. They never aired that. People were like, why didn't you tell people that you got recruited? I did, but I guess just with editing, it didn't make it in. Okay.

Trisha. I wish that they showed more of like why I voted for CT and everything, because people were very confused, I think, by the last episode. And I did an entire interview after that. I don't know if, like, the camera was turned off accidentally and why they didn't. didn't show it, but people were like, what happened? So I wish that they showed that. Also, I had like a couple great moments with Deonté that were in the car where we're both like crying and he's such a great guy. He's a good dude. I wanted more of him in the reunion. I know. I wish

they would have made him speak more because I like, I like hearing from him. He's so smart. Yeah. Awesome. So I wish I showed that too. Okay, that's good. Peter, my book, talk money to me. It's about love and money. Have to ask. We saw you can sue with your mom, Barb, love Barb, shout out Barb. You're freaking beauty. Actually, you are like now a legend. in reality TV. You are a reality TV legend bar. We're going to have her on here. Oh my God.

Yeah. Peter, you've been on, of anybody that's found the show, you've been on the most. Next time, it's going to be here and Barb and that is going to be absolutely electric.

But you can sue. We see that you're friends. You said you're just friends. But there's also these rumors like maybe you, you probably had a little thing going on. Like, is there any type of love going on in any capacity, any dates going on?

No. None at all? I'll be honest. Yeah. Again, beautiful friendships that came from the show. Eck and Sue and I, we really are very, very similar. We got along super well. It was like one of the friendships with I have with Trishel.

I know a lot of people like to talk and everything, but she's, you know, doing Big Brother now in London. Okay. If Eck and Sue or Parv asked you on a date, would you go? Okay, first of all, Parv is written in questions? Are these your questions? No, this is my question. Parvite is a very, like, great relationship and all that. Oh, Parv's in a relationship?

Yeah. Did not know that. She's with someone. See, that's how you know I asked. But wait, I will say that while my friends and I were watching that episode that you're talking to Parvety, my girlfriends are like, pause it. They're like, I feel a certain way right now. Are they not to make out? I was like, no, he's just putting on the charm because he knows he needs her in her car and her.

All part of the show. She was just as manipulative, though. In that, like, that's why she was my answer. She was, and they didn't show, she like, full-und did this thing where she put her hands up to the camera, all the tears. And it literally, guys, it brought me right back to the bathroom. Oh, my God. She got me this close to believe in her. Wow.

And then I was like, no, I can't. I can't. Wow. You almost got a full, like a full reversal there back in that world. Part for Bachelorette, but she's in a relationship. Okay. Sorry for disrupting that part. I hope you're happy.

Okay. What future shows do we think we'll see both you two on? 2021's last time you were on, 2019. You now both have some crazy momentum. What future shows do you think we'll see on or do you want to be on? Start with you, Chichelle. Oh, me. I was going to say Peter, go first.

I am a huge big brother fan. I would love to do Big Brother. Anything that I can do that's like strategic. I wouldn't like love to be like on an island somewhere or anything like Survivor. Like I don't think I could. Okay. Yeah. Yeah.

All right. Pete? I think top three that come to mine, I thought I think special forces would be awesome. Do you want to do that? Absolutely. I love that. Like just I think pushing yourself to be like uncomfortable is such a great opportunity just for growth and just fun as hell. Dance with the stars.

I want to do that for years. but we'll see. And then Survivor. Hey, put it out there. All right, Pete. I'm robbing you with a softball here. Me included. You could say my name.

Okay. Three people from the Bachelor franchise that would be good on traders. And you could say my name. Jason Tardick is my number one pick. Jason Tardy. I'm not thirsty for shit, but I'm thirsty for this show.

Okay, keep going. I think, and you would kill it either as a faithful or a trader. I truly think you could probably love to be a trade. And the fact of you're cool that I'm going to say, Caitlin, too, just because the dynamic of bringing two X's on, there's just

so much potential for that. And then Chris Harrison, I think it'd be cool to see him in that way as a contestant. You think he'd do it? I mean, never say never, but that would be fun to be super interesting. To see a host go and play as a contest. I'm on

bored with that. Okay, that's good. I think Hannah Brown would be good. I think Hannah Brown's good at anything she does. I'm like fully convinced. She's a bad. She's just yeah, she's a batty. Whatever. She writes books. her New York Times bestseller. She goes to the special forces. She wins. Dancing with Stars, she wins. Bachelorette, she wins. She's just a winner. Also, I think just an actual couple that is together, Justin and Susie, that'd be cool. Oh, that'd be cool too. I like the Larissa Marcus thing. I like that. There's so much potential with that. Yeah, there's something

there. From all the reality shows you've come across, all the big dogs, who do you think should be on the show that hasn't been on the show yet? I think that Amarosa would do really well on the show. I just like to see her on television. She's very intimidating. I think from the challenge, Anisa would be awesome. Best Stalarchic. She's like, from way back in the day, but she has a very villainous personality that I love to see on television. Yeah, housewives want. Johnny Fairplay would be good, too. He did Survivor, lied about his grandmother dying.

Love that. I just like a villain character. I love it. I love it. All right, guys, well, Money Mafia, we stayed a lot in the strategy branding realm today. Not too much into the dollars and cents, but we'll let you guys get away with this one. I won't make you sweat on the dollars and cents. It was a great episode filled with so much, but we got to end with the trading secret.

Peter, you've done it before. you're here again a trading secret something you can't find in a textbook you can't learn on a youtube tutorial or tic-tac only from you and your experience flying planes going on dates being the bachelor and now a trader superstar what can you leave us with pilot p i guess i'll say and it's kind of been a theme you know of just today in the podcast is be a yes man and a yes woman that's what i've done for the last you know i guess i've been that my entire life but the last couple years it's opened up so many doors and insane opportunities that I never in a million years what I thought I would have had, you know, everything from the basher to traders and everything

in between. So say yes to being uncomfortable. Say yes to pushing yourself. Like don't always take the easy way, you know, do something that's totally out of your comfort zone. And I think there's so much opportunity for growth and for love and just creating insane memories and relationships to be made. Just say yes, a hell of a lot more than you think you might have to. Yeah. And I could say just as a good friend of yours, like I think you are the definition of like always just like all right you're not going to ask questions you're not going to put up cards if i'm like hey let's go do this like all right let's go like hey let's do this hey let's go i could also speak for the agency that we own and i've been working with you all the time

he gets so many calls just saying like we want peter because he's so easy to work with like he's he's down he's easy he wants to do it let's go and that's a huge testament to what you're doing how you're doing it and i dude i think this is this is a huge jumping point for you my i am I am a predictor that you are going to be on a minimum of five more shows in the next five years. Oh, wow. That's my guess. Five shows, five years. We'll come back.

You and Barb will talk all about it. Michelle, Trading Secret. What can you leave us with? Okay. I say if you find yourself in the position where you were underestimated, use it to your advantage. I've used that in this game. I use it in poker. And I feel like it's a bigger strength than people realize.

And so I will continue to use that. Please underestimate me. Listen to me. I'll use it to fuel my fire. You know who else that it's a trading secret like that? You would at least expect it. Rob Grinkowski No. Really? Yeah, well, he is what he said. He goes everyone thinks on this like big dummy. I'm always partying. He's like most of the time anytime you see me and I look drunk, I'm 100% sober. And he goes a lot of the time that my my coaches would think this and that I'd be eight steps ahead. So part of my plan was act dumb. They expect little and I'm 10 steps ahead of all of us. And I'm 10 steps ahead of all of us. And the one thing I could tell you about him that actually speaks to that, and I said it in the podcast, was in high school. He was in AP in every single class. Me too. He was extremely smart. So maybe the cover you wouldn't expect high achieving 4.0 AP student may be the same, but the people that didn't expect it was a way for you to supersede their expectations. It almost takes the pressure off too. A hundred percent. I don't need to like talk about what grades I got in organic chemistry. Orgo puts people literally on Deathwatch, and there you are.

All right, guys, this was an unbelievable episode of Trading Secrets. Peter, if people are listening, they want to see more, are you? Where can they find you? I am Pilot Pete on Instagram. That's my go-to. Do you use any other social media platforms? I guess I do TikTok, too. Okay.

Yeah, not as active, but mainly Instagram. There you go, I love it. We'll get that TikTok game going. Trichelle, where can people find you? At Trishel C on Instagram. I'm on Twitter, but I'm literally about to get off because people are terrible. So don't tweet me. Unless you have something very kind to say.

Don't tweet. Go follow on Instagram for all this stuff. We have two traitors superstars. This was an episode you can't afford to miss. Thank you guys for being with me. All right. Thank you so much. Ding, ding, ding.

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minutes of your time here. I mean, this guy is on a book tour. This guy is on Wall Street. He's ringing in the bell. He's at Forbes. He's on the today. This guy, he's as busy as it gets. Jay, it's great to have you in the seat. It's great to see you busy. And let me tell you, you mentioned traders. You know, I'm a Love Island guy. The Bachelors, the finale is on the precipice. Are we, are we in the maybe second coming of reality TV prime right now, Jay? I think we are. Like, if you look at the business model, I'm not really sure what the hell happened. It's like, it's like we were in the pandemic. Bachelor was getting toasted. Love is blind took off post pandemic we all went haywire traveling going crazy and reality tv was a disaster all

love is blind got killed bachelor got killed almost every show was getting destroyed for unscripted we were even having conversations like is the business of reality tv dead and now it has taken a turn in so many directions and david when i talk about rewired talent management we're managing jest from love is blind right and we're managing some other people from these shows and we see the numbers Their numbers are off the charts. So I think we've seen to turn. And even with traders, dude, you know, you heard me say it in an episode, 8 million people streamed this finale. Eight million people, dude.

That's one tenth of the Super Bowl, like one, one 15th of the Super Bowl. Like, what's going on? Yeah. And you mentioned to 75% a season over season, which is one of the biggest jumps in a TV show on streaming history, which is incredible. And here's the thing. I'm going to focus mostly on trade. Obviously, I watch Love is Blind. Obviously, I watch Traders.

Obviously, I'm the resident reality TV guy here. But here's what is what's interesting about Traders. And I can't wait to get your take on this is I think Traders captivates. They do such a good job of captivating the Big Brother audience, the Survivor audience, the Bachelor audience, the Housewives audience. Every, you know, the MTV, the challenge audience with Trishel and CT. But people see them on their shows. And for the most part, other than the game players, a completely different element that they would see them on their shows, right? the housewives they really are centered around drama and bachelor's about love and love islands

about love and all those you know areas so i thought that being able to see them in their element in a game strategy show where the purpose of what we're normally seeing them is completely different was really interesting now my question to you is as a guy who maybe doesn't look at reality tv the same way as a consumer does like me for the pure storylines of what the show's made for does this show really just excite you? Do you see this show as a kind of a microcosm as you see all reality TV show from the business side? What really gets like, you know,

you excited about the traders as you watch? I think the thing that gets me most excited about this show is I think it's one of the purest form of shows out there for reality TV and here's why. Every other show has their networks. There's obligations and loyalties within their networks. We saw in Love is Blind. For God's sakes, they were afraid to say Blake's name when he was on the Love is Blind finale with Gianina.

Why? Because they don't want anybody from an ABC network getting attention on the Netflix network, right? They, of course, would never say Bachelor Nation on Love is Blind, right? So they're, and rightfully so. I do the same thing. So there are these networks that have to keep their talent within their networks. And you see it with Bravo. You see it with ABC.

You see it with MTV. See it with all. them. And then here and there, once in a blue moon, you get a little sprinkle of like one show of one person that comes on where they take the shot. And you're like, that's cool. What I love about this show is that you are seeing every single network from all different people, some of the most popular and some of the people that haven't been around for 10 years, come into the circle and play one another without loyalty to their network and they don't have these alliances other than maybe one or two people and then you're seeing them in a setting where you're getting the purest form of them.

You're not getting them angling for someone because they're trying to, you know, you know, like suck up to the network or they're trying to fall in love for the right reasons. You're seeing people in their purest form just try to win with networks that might not be connected to their success. And that's why I like totally love it. And I think what's cool is like my brother, right, he's 36, married, gay. The shows he watch are so, like, our interest when it comes to TV couldn't be different. And what I've noticed about this show, my mom and dad are watching it, my friends are watching it, Bachelor Nation's watching it, my brother and all his friends are watching it.

So you're also bringing different viewing audiences together in one to get all these different perspectives. And I just love that. I love that. I feed off. And I loved how all these people, like you mentioned, who are coming to watch the show, are seeing their characters that they've loved in such a different light. Like, you know, Ashley and I watch it, watch reality TV all the time to be able to see Bergey, like with confidence, like, you know, scheming.

And then you see Peter gets so excited about like, you know, building an alliance. Like, like he's on Survivor or something. And you see the housewives like, yeah, they're dramatic. But, you know, Fadre, like who came out looking more, you know, of a well-rounded superperson than Fajara on the show? Like Pete mentioned, he said, I think every day I learned about a new business that Fager is running. Shout out Fajar, I think someone, Jay, I think we need to get on the podcast. So, you know, you said, Jay, you said, I'm not thirsty for anything.

I'm thirsty to get on the show. And I got to ask you in hearing that, is it because it's just like a fantasy, like a childhood like I want to be on the show? Or do you have, I want to be on the show because I know what it's doing for people that have been on it. Clients like Pete, people like Pete. Is it a pure business angle because it's hot in the streets right now? You know, it's a good question because one thing I meant to ask them is if you look at Trichelle, her following, I think grew, I don't know, like 10,000. Peters too, right?

So we managed Peter. We work with Peter. His following grew a little bit, but not really much. So it's not like these 8 million viewers actually translates to following and engagement. And we know that following and engagement translates to dollars. So for me, this wouldn't be a money play. I think when I think about reality TV, I think I've really done a good job from my business perspective of bridging the gap between pop culture and finance while still staying in both a little bit and building a niche. And the challenge what that becomes is if I go into any form of reality TV, I'm taking a pretty high risk in doing that.

But I feel like a show like this kind of does a lot. It allows me to broaden the network of people I get to meet from different shows, which is good for the podcast, good for agency, good for just my interest in this space. Additionally, it allows me to compete in a different level that allows me to be a form of myself that reality TV has never seen. And then I also think this is more aligned with like the things I'm doing every day. I can kind of connect the dots. Like when I'm strategizing how to grow a business, how to scale a business, how to work with a client, how to fire a client, how to fire someone, how to take a different market space. That's what you do every day in business and to translate to reality TV would be so much fun. And so I just think it would be a really, really fun show. It's clearly not,

you know, you're not going to get rich off this show. I don't think you're going to get massively famous off this show. You're not going to go meet a loved one on this show. But there's something about it that really, really intrigues me. I think the lack of growth and following is because the show doesn't focus on a storyline to really make you want to follow their journey after the show like bachelor people fall in love with their love story and they want to see who they're going to fall in love with if they don't get picked or if they do get picked you know i think that people fall in love with with those those things and that's why their followings grow but i got to ask you you've you've thrown out a couple shows that you may be interested on so i'm going to put you in

the hot seat right now a quick little rapid fire uh let's say you get the opportunity it's all equal across the board the money the contracts the filming the timeline it's trader season three it's special forces or it's the bachelor what are you choosing oh man wow it's a good question wow it's a good question i don't i hope i hope i hope we don't end it out the silence here because i'm talking j t i got j t he's not one for silence even if he doesn't know i'm throwing a curveball i'm just going to give you my top show of those three special forces crazy i'm I know it would be the hardest. I know it would be the one that I have the least confidence in.

I know it might break me, but I also know filming's only like 10 days. And it's like it would be, I think that would be the hardest challenge in my life. And I think I would learn something about myself. I never learned while making a couple bucks and testing myself. And I'll be honestly, if I wanted special forces,

I always joke around like with Tyler. I'm like, oh, I would kill it. I don't know if I'd break or not. I don't know. Yeah. I would look,

I think as your friend, I would love to see you on all. three um but uh and you mentioned filming being 10 days for special forces one fact i learned about trading secret about this that filming was four weeks i couldn't believe that with the cast and in all the areas that they're from to be able to take you know up to four weeks to film and the way that they edited the show it seemed like it was banishment in the evening murder overnight walk into the room for breakfast find out who murdered do a challenge repeat it did seem like uh like the show was filmed in less than two weeks so shut up to that um you asked the you

you asked did you, first off, before I get to my next question, did you learn anything like that about the show that was different for you? Yeah, I mean, so David, as you were talking about this, it's getting my wheels spinning when you asked me the reality TV question. So the filming thing too,

it's interesting that you were surprised there was only four weeks and I was like, damn, how did they do that in all, in only four weeks? So it's always interesting to see that. But you really got my wheels spinning on the conversation in this recap because, yeah, we talked some numbers in this episode but we talked a lot about like what you said like we see reality a stars especially on their first show and we see their personality and in a show like this you get to see them

in their purest form because there's still so much speculation that people on their first reality show are using business and strategy to get ahead on camera and off and now you have my wheels moving in so many directions which is so cool about this podcast but this past week we went to go see Ariana Maddox at perform at Chicago okay so you have a reality star here that got broken up with that can play a role like that cool now being a headliner in a Broadway play got drinks with my brother after because he works on that show from a marketing standpoint and he said that she is breaking every single box office record in Chicago this isn't some throwaway off off Broadway show this isn't some donkey off

broadway you're talking about one of the most legendary shows that has been around for decades you have Ariana Maddox get in there and absolutely crush it. And I went to the show. And I would be the first person, David, like, you know, I've seen Broadway for a lot because my brother, you know I've always been into it. I would be the first person that would come on here and just shredder. No. Her fucking acting, her ability to take a role that's been done by so many, so many others

and make it hers. Her performance, her stage presence, her energy, her dancing. It was incredible. And I started talking to my brother. And he said, this is happening. a lot. You're starting to see now creators and unscripted TV stars who were once like, you know, a joke. You know, like I think Chris Harrison called it. He felt like he was pawn scum back in the 2000. They're now taken over. I also met with an agency in New York and

they said creators and reality TV stars, you're going to be seeing them take over billboards for celebrities now. Because they're saying that the engagement rates, the KPIs of reality stars is so much greater than these big A-list celebrities online. This is an interesting thing that we're discussing. The business changing, the people that are looking up to, and at the end of the day, like who's selling tickets, who's moving ratings, how and why. And it's moving in a big way.

It's just an interesting topic to discuss on trading secrets. That's amazing. That's amazing. And it is, that's why we talk about it right here, baby. You got my head spinning, too. And the question that you asked them was, who are three people that you think would be good on traders? I have to get your take on this because you didn't get to answer that question.

Do you have three people, let's say from Bachelor Nation that you think would be good on traders or to get your two cents in there or just three random people in this space of what we cover that you think would be good on that? Yeah, I'm going to make a comment here, and I mean this comment. I think that the people that are able to build a brand and monetize successfully, whether you listen to this and you hate these people or you listen to this and you love these people, they have some type of gameplay, they have some type of entrepreneur, scholarship strategy that has gotten to them where they are. And those are the people that I think

on a show like this, whether they will admit it or not, whether you think their personalities fit or not deep down, they have. They have that. And it's a testament to them. Think about the people in the names from Bachelor Nation that have done very well over the last decade in this space. Every single one of them, I think, would be good on this show. So, David, I'm going to put to you in the hot seat. Give me, give me a few names, rattle them off from last 10 years. People from bachelor nation you still see out in the spotlight and i'll say yes or no if they'd be good for traders uh nick vial yes um tiler cameron yes and here's my one my dark horse that i would love to see on jordan kimball jordan kimball would be great tv i don't think you would make it far uh but if you look at

uh teach you know like i just i think i get them connecting everything i just said i think if you put jojo on there she'd crush it i think if you put rachel lindsay on there she would absolutely crush it Nick Vial would absolutely tear it up. I think Hannah Brown would demo it. Absolutely bare, like absolutely crush it. Caitlin Bristow would absolutely crush it. Like, there are people that have built their brands outside of Batchar Nation and those who have done it successfully. Like, here's a curveball for you.

Beckettilly, people would be like, I don't think so. She would crush it. Ashley I would crush it. Ben Higgins, I don't know. I'd like to see that. Maybe not, but I'd like to see it. So like there's like I think And when I said about Hannah Brown

I mean it like these people that come off these shows And they absolutely find ways to win And everything they do There's a reason why everybody Like Hannah Brown's just a winner She's a winner She would go on traders and win Or come in second

That's who she is That's what she does And that is why people from Bachelor Nation That go on other shows Absolutely crush those shows In and out And then what do they do David? Everyone from Bachelor nation

For the most part not everyone A good percentage in the last five years that go on these other shows, that get these other opportunities. It's a launch pad for something else career-wise, right? Day in and day out, it happens. 100%. 100%.

Well, I would love to see Dave Portnoy on that show. I think we talk about power influence manipulators. I think he'd be electric. You know who else I'd love to see on the show? Any of the sharks that we've had on the podcast. In fact, if you gave me a Traders Island with Just Trading Secrets podcast guests, I think that would be the most electric thing

in the history of the world. traders guys if you haven't watched it it is a must watch i have not said must wash on many things before it is a must watch it'll captivate your brain it'll get you thinking it'll get you to understand a lot of these different people that we're talking about these different reality tv spheres 10 out of 10 show i completely subscribe with j being on it as your friend i do not subscribe with you being on it with your ex that is my two cents on the recap from the curious Canadian and I will sign off with that and let's say the curious Canadian knows a whole lot of things that haven't been talked about so there's some depth to that conversation that being said we will let

it go David great episode and for everyone listening keep an eye out on the trading secrets YouTube on the trading secrets Instagram and then on my page because we in April are bringing trading secrets live who the guests will be in the locations are TBD but I think if I may it. If I'm breathing by May 5th, then I maybe haven't done it effectively because I am running on fumes, but the next eight weeks, it's all about the money mafia. It's all about the people out there. And as many places I can get to meet everybody, I will be there. So more to come there. Can't wait to see everyone on the book tour. There will be surprises along the way. Thank you for listening to another episode of Trading Secrets. And please, for $26.99, you have no idea how big

of an impact it can make on your life if you're single or you're in a relationship. And I always say worst case scenario, that cover is beautiful. It will look good on a coffee table. We will see you next week. We have some incredible guests lined up. So just get ready for another episode of Trading Secrets. Wait a second, actually. There is someone, David, in our reviews. And I'm getting a little sick and tired of this person. Uh-oh. I want to get to know this person. This person week in, week out

gives us a review and it's Danny X stream and every single time she gives a review, it's a one to four star and every single time in the review she gives me shit about not connecting with her audience because she reaches out and I don't respond.

Well, listen, I, it is very hard. I try to get to DMs. I feel blessed and fortunate but there are a lot that come in and when i see them i do my best so what i would say danny x extreme i want you to email me media at jason tardick dot com i have four people monitoring that email box and i want you to put the subject danny extreme and i want you to tell me everything you want to know and share with me with your feedback i will listen to it and i will respond to it and when i do give me a five-star rating because you always say that I don't connect with my audience.

So I am here to connect with you specifically, Danny Extreme. And if you are listening to this, please give us five stars and give us a review. I promise we're reading them. Can't wait to see you guys next week. Can't wait to see you live. Hopefully I'll see you at the book tour. And thank you for tuning into another episode of Trading Secrets. One you can't afford to miss Peter Treschelle.

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