Trash Taste Podcast - Don't Be a YouTuber in Japan (ft. Abroad in Japan) | Trash Taste #5

Episode Date: July 3, 2020

Joey (TheAnimeMan), Garnt (Gigguk) and Connor (CDawgVA) discuss being a YouTuber in Japan with guest "Abroad in Japan". Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

Hello and welcome to another episode of Trash Taste. I am your host for today, gig United Kingdom, Arizona. And with me today, I'm my usual co-host, the 93% and the hentai boy. That's me. And today we also have our very first guest with us today. Official guest. Official guest, who are you? Do you want to introduce yourself?

I'm Chris, and I make Yichi video about Japan. What's your channel name? A broad in Japan. It's a clever pun because my surname is broad. Abroad, Abroad, it's really clever. That took me a long time to figure out actually, because when I heard that you were like, oh yeah, I'm Chris Broad.

Holy shit, I just fucking go up that now. Oh, I didn't know that. No, no, I'm just like, holy shit, that's genius, wait a minute, a broad, I didn't realize that. It's really, yeah, yeah. Because when I, because when you said that, right, like, you were like, oh, my name's Chris Broad.

I didn't say, my name's Chris Broad. Did I? No, but like, because I, because, you know, I heard like the Abroad in Japan thing and I was like, oh, it's probably a pun, but I'm like, it's too good to be a pun. Yeah, it's that good. It's that good.

I was like, Chris Broad can't be your real name. How long did it take you to come up with that? Or was it just like, my first year. I've always hated the name Broad, Chris Broad. It just sounds awful. I'm Chris Broad. We should have like a second name that's easy to pronounce. Broad. You can't fuck it up, can you?

You can't fuck it up. But when I came to Japan, I thought, wait a minute, I can actually use my name for once and a pun that's clever. Oh my God. But I didn't tell me my name was Chris Broad until three years into doing YouTube. Oh, really?

Chris Broad, people are like, wow, that's clever. Well, that's clever. Because, like, I think that's... I think that's a joke for three years. I think that's more effort than either of us put into, like, our us name's combined. The anime, man.

How did you come up with that name, Joey? I'm a man who likes anime. End of story. That's an interesting point, actually, because you've kind of, like, solidified yourself into anime. I've really. I really fucked myself in that aspect. I can't do anything else now.

At least abroad in Japan, right? Like, it's basic enough, right? My point was gonna be, you know, that's kind of the same boat, right? Where like, do you feel like you could branch out with that name like that? Well, brought in Taiwan. Yeah, just like the second channel,

abroad in Kazakhstan coming soon. Before we answer that, do you wanna explain what kind of content you, we're getting ahead of ourselves. Do you wanna explain what kind of content you do? Just about Japan, isn't it? I'm really bad at selling myself. I feel like if anyone has watched a video

about like life in Japan or an experience, odds are they've come across your channel. I hope so. I mean, you are technically the biggest J-vlogger right now, right? Yeah. I think you are. Yeah. In terms of subsize, I'm pretty sure. Well, the comments is going to be filmed.

He's not, he's rubbish. The next one and this one. I mean, oh, sorry, go ahead. Yeah, because whenever, like, whenever I was watching videos about Japan, you would be the name that would always pop up. Yeah. And this was like going back years ago.

We'll get back, we'll get back to that in a bit. But for now, do you wanna open our beers, boys? Oh yeah, I was just eyeing this up for ages. And I'm like, can we just open beers? Let's get some ASMR going. Oh, my dudes. Smells good. Can't I.

Kampai. Hmm. So like, I think a good topic for today. That's good, eh. It's a good move, Joey. Yeah. Joey chose pineapple strong zero. I didn't know Kieran had like a brand

of strong zeros now. It's called Kieran the strong. The strong. So it must be better than Strong Zero. Curin's prime cell. If any of you ever come to Japan and there's one beverage you should try out, if you do drink beverages, alcoholically,

then Strong Zero. This is like what we call the Guyjin Killer, is what you guys called it, right? It's colloquially the Guy Gen Killer. Because it tastes like juice, but then you realize it's just as strong as like a wine. Yeah. So you just get fucked. But like it, like percentage wise is as strong as a wine.

I don't know why, it fucks me up way harder than any wine I've ever had. It's carbonated, I think. I don't know. Maybe. Yeah. I think I've blacked out every time. When Strong Zero is involved in, I end up normally like not remembering.

Strong Zero hangovers are easily the worst, I reckon. Well, the last time we drank Strong Zero's. Like, I don't remember like half that night. And then I woke up with like the most searing headache. I was like. Yeah, that's horrible. Do you guys remember your first Strong Zero experience? No, I blacked out.

I'm just, I blacked out. When I was a teacher up in North Japan, we had like an end of year party every year, and that was like the one drink everyone drank, and I just woke up on a beach at 5am, like face down in the sand, surrounded by six cans of Strong Zero, like, six cans is formidable. One is like, you feel it. Two is like, whoa, three is like, oh God, no.

And after that, it's blackout phase. I need to take you, Connor, before you. I think it was like the very first time. I think it was like three or four. For some, and I can normally handle my alcohol pretty well. It doesn't matter. It's something about Stronger. It doesn't matter how much you think you can hold alcohol.

After three strong zero, it's like inhumane territory. Right, no one can handle it. Because we're like three Brits in an Aussie. We're very, very used to drinking, but for some, and here's the thing, every time I see someone, you try strong zero, especially if they're from the UK, they're like, this is, this, nine percent, this isn't gonna fuck me up, please.

And then I have like two cans and they're like wasted already. And then third can is like, I'm blackout, I cannot remember this night. And I don't know what it is about this particular, a drink. It's just, maybe because it's showtchoo. Yeah.

It's the greatest prank you can pull on your friends though when you bring them to Japan. Give them through him, like it's just like fizzy water, it's fine. And then things happen. It's crazy that business men just drink them at like, I see, I seem like, I think 1 PM sometimes, just having one outside the conveni.

Yeah, damn. Well, if it's the PM, it's time to drink, isn't it? Yeah, honestly, seriously, they're not playing around here. I'm like, damn, okay. Now they're gonna optimize all the free time they have. You know what I mean? Yeah, yeah. I can be back and work 20 minutes.

I'm sorry. I can slip one in. So I guess a good topic to talk about today is basically just, I guess, our origin stories with YouTube and just our thoughts on YouTube in general. Because we're all three YouTubers, normally we just have anime YouTubers on, but now we have like someone else

who does something a bit different. Someone else. Who would have thought that the first official guest of this anime podcast is someone who has no idea about anime. Well, I've seen Satoshi Kong and, like in person. Like in person? person down the pub. Yeah, it's true.

I'm in the church of like anime, like three massive anime YouTubeers. It feels like, you've committed a crime just by being here. Like, it's a sacred holy ground. No, it's really weird, like, because you've watched Satoshi Khan, which is more, like, cultured than a lot of anime fans,

like, who are very much into anime. One of the priests hasn't watched anyone, so. Yeah. I've watched any Stochie Kohn. So I guess I know I'm terrified. He's like, look, he's laughing at me. He's like, he's like, this. I'm laughing because he referred to you as one of the priests.

I didn't refer to myself as one of the... The anime church, right? If you need to rebrand this podcast, the priests of anime. The anime church, one of three priests. Family-friendly priests of anime channel. Well, that's perfect, right? So, like, hopefully by the end of it,

we can hopefully, like, try and convince Chris to, like, maybe give, you know, a few of our recommendations to go, and then Chris can hopefully pursue Connor and everybody who's watching or listening that doesn't know anything about Satoshi Khan to watch Satoshi Khan. I agree, that's a good challenge.

If you're up to that, to ask Chris. I'm up for it. Like, I'm open-minded. Anime I watch is good. I just, I never really got into it as a kid, really, apart from Pokemon or, I mean, I watched Digimon, as we talked about Joe, and just, that put me off. I'm on the impression, Digimon isn't the most respected anime, so.

It's got a die-hard fan base, I think. Are you part of that fan base? No, no, but I know, I think I made a joke about it, and there's like a new season, people call pissed at me when I said, I'm not watching them. It's like, it's like, it's like, it's like, A lot of people was childhood, right, because I grew up on Digimon.

So I mean, I wouldn't say I'm a diehard fan, but I definitely enjoyed it as a kid. I played the game. I don't know which ones I played. I didn't even get that far, right? I played like their like Smash Bros. knockoff. That was pretty fun, I think. It was a Smash Bros. Knockoff?

Yeah, Digimon Rumble arena was called. They made like three of them. Wow. Were you aware of that? I wasn't aware of that. The only thing I'm aware of now is just the thing chain stuck in my head. It's not even the good one either.

It's the English one. At least like, brah, bro, the English one's the good one. What can I say? If you listen to the Japanese opening, it's fucking epic. Like the, it's like, you probably heard it. It's like the, Mekendai na yume no, that's the song of hair karaoke.

So it's completely different. Yeah. So did you mum, do you do munchy? No, no, no, no. They pulled the Dragon Ball Z, right? We're like, Dragon Ball Z Japanese opening was like actual proper songs. And then the English one was just,

Dragon, dragon, dragon, oh, dragon. It was like, boy, that was hype though. That was hype, though. That was hype. It is hype opening. I just love how it's like, all right, we got a show called Dragon Ball scene. What are the lyrics going to be?

How many times can we save the title of the show in the song? Bro, that's like big brain mode though. I think the only other lyric is come get me. Yeah, exactly, right? The Dragon Ball opening. I do not remember this at all. You don't remember the English Dragon Ball opening? No, I think it's like, I forgot that.

It's so epic. It's so iconic though. How did you forget? The guitar, like, Dene it did, did, d-d-d-d-d-d-d-d-d-d-d- I think the one-piece rap rap is like blocked out in childhood, like English openings for me. The one, see, I had the,

I had the pleasure of not growing up with that. What do you mean the, you had the, you had the, the displeasure. Great, that. So like question to you then, Chris, because a lot, obviously in our circles, a lot of people we know came to Japan or moved to Japan, like based on,

somewhat based on their love for anime, and that's us included. So like, why did you choose to move to Japan if anime wasn't like a big reason or any reason? Yeah, that's asked a lot. I always feel like guilty by coming Japan and not knowing anime or or taco culture. It's fine.

It's not quite. I just, growing up, Japan was everything to me. It was so, such an amazing, mystical, wonderful country. Everything I used, everything I did, every craze was Japanese in some way, from Pokemon to Nintendo, Sony. My first camcorder I often used was sharp and Panasonic after that. Like, I know, Japan always felt like a country I wanted to try and visit and go to, but being British, if you look at a map of where Japan,

is where the UK is. We're not going there. It's so far. Like to North American viewers, though obviously it's still pretty damn far. If you look at the map, it's like, oh, it's not that far, it's some water. Yeah. But Japan's so damn far. And so I thought, I'm not going to go there. But then I thought about teaching English, and Japan came up as an option. And it was the only country I ever thought I'd want to teach English in and actually immerse myself and learn about the culture.

So in a nutshell, that's kind of it. So even before all of that, like you were already upset on, like, leaving the UK at one point or? Oh, absolutely. I always wanted to live overseas and travel somewhere in Asia. Right, right. So where would have been your second option if you never got to do that? Yeah, yeah, I was gonna ask that.

Second option? Yeah. I don't know if there was a second option Asia. It was kind of like Japan or nothing. Oh, okay. Oh wow. Just Japanese culture really excited me, like all the stuff I've seen about it, but. I watched your first video last night. I was doing some research too. And the vibe you gave off almost was like, all right, lads, I'm in Japan. You know what I mean?

Like, I've just like, I've just like. Well, lads on, lads on tour. Just kind of like, oh, I just ended up in Japan. Might fuck around and stay a little bit. That's why I got the impression. I just thought it was like a thing where you were like, all right, fuck it, might move Japan. You know, that's kind of like the vibe I got from the video, I guess.

But obviously, hearing that, I'm like kind of shot. But then I could also see a British person not wanting to seem like obsessed with something because that's uncool in British culture. No, it's not that. I mean, the trouble is like, yeah, most people who come in Japan are interested in the anime and stuff. And I remember doing a Japanese class at university on the side. and I was like the only one in that class

that didn't really watch anime. I was like, I'm learning Japanese and I'm the only one who doesn't watch anime? I was the only one in the room. And I was like, oh God, am I going to work? Is this going to work? Do you need to know anime to live in Japan? You need to be into that sort of part of the culture.

But no, I think I was just drawn to like how the culture is very different. One of the things I studied was cultural discourse, which is so boring that I never talk about it. And I was really intercultural discourse and language. And Japan kept coming up in the studies. And that was actually one reason. Well, I never talk about that just because it's so boring. That's what the podcast is for.

Yeah, I've heard of social discourse. What does that entail? Well, just like how everything in the culture is just so different, the way people communicate, right? So indirectly. There's just so many, there's such a different mindset in Japan that is so incomprehensibly different to most other countries. And I started learning about that

And I really wanted to kind of immerse myself in that Yeah, I mean, I think that's definitely true Especially having moved here and lived here for a little bit We discussed that like a bit on like our last podcast Where we discussed Japan So what was it that made you decide to make like YouTube videos about Japan or was it just You decided to like kind of vlog your experiences

Did you plan that before? Yeah Was that just like you turned up and you're like This seems like a good idea It was an idea at the back of my head I think I'd always been interested in filmmaking But I kind of kind of threw that dream away because it's quite hard to get into the film industry in the UK.

As you guys might know, and so I was like, I'm not going to happen. But then I got here and I was like, I might make a YouTube channel. And actually before I got to Japan, there wasn't many YouTubers in Japan. And I was like, I'm really excited. What's Japan like?

I went on YouTube. And there wasn't a whole lot going on. No offence to the YouTubeers in Japan pre-2012. But it wasn't much. And I was like, okay, maybe I can fill that void and take my hobby of filmmaking and my dream that I've forgotten and actually kind of use that and do something

with it. So I hadn't watched a whole lot of YouTube up until that point. Right. And I kind of draw a lot of my influences from British TV and rather than other kind of vloggers and other YouTubers. Yeah. Yeah, because like I think anyone can agree that like you watch any one of your videos and it definitely has more of like a TV vibe than like a traditional like, hey guys, I'm in Japan. Yeah. It doesn't feel like an iteration on YouTube, which a lot of channels that come into it newer do feel like they're trying to emulate a style but build on it, whereas I feel like maybe that is what is so unique

about your take on the J-Vlogging. I mean, yeah, I don't have anything against vlogging. No. No. But I, for me, the thing that excited me was the idea of making like a crappy, low-budget TV show rather than like a vlog about Japan. Yeah, it seems like-guiding star,

it gave off the impression of like a BBC, not a BBC show, but like a short you'd seen like on a show or like a news broadcast about Japan or about a different culture. Yeah. I think that's what like how I found your content at first and you mentioned being one of the first people to do vlogs, or not vlogs, but like videos about Japan.

High quality vlogs. Do you remember the scene back then of what vlogs were like? It was like the shaky camp? Yeah, 2012, right? Oh, Jesus. I mean, yeah. I remember like FPS Russia and that's like all I went shit up. I mean, FPS Russia was probably like the high, epic real time.

That's a good time, though. I feel like that was the golden era of YouTube in a sense. I don't know, I feel like every year has its own thing to it. And I think it's easy to look back and be like, that was the best time. Forget about all those people filming their TV playing cards. Oh, yeah.

How could we call that the golden age? You know what I mean? Stick a camcorder in a shoe to like prop it up. Yeah, because I think was Charler in Japan the only, like, vlogger ready before? There was a feat, there was McKay Rachel and Joe. Rachel and June actually.

Okay, okay, okay, okay. There was, a break man, Victor. There was Tokyo, Cooney. Yeah. Yeah, like, I've come to, like, know a lot of the JVloggers that leave here, like, since, like, the JVlogging community is so small in a sense that, like, once you know a few,

you basically know everybody at that point, eventually. And, like, yeah, I mean, you know, meeting Chris and, like, meeting a bunch of other, like, smaller and older vloggers. It's like, it's really interesting to see, like, just, how big it actually is. Because on the surface, I think,

if you don't know a lot of them, it does just seem like Chris and a few other people. Yeah. Whereas, like, there's just so many J-voggers out there. You can kind of easily stay in a bubble if you want to. Yeah, exactly. How do you feel about the current J-vlogging scene,

though? I don't know, really. I'm friends with a lot of them, but I don't, I mean, I don't watch that much. I don't, because I live in Japan, you know, I don't really want to watch other Japan stuff. I do my stuff. I spend ages working on a video in a room.

I upload it and then I go off and drive round the mountains and go, don't quote me on that. I, yeah, no, I've kind of felt like to be disconnected from it a little bit. Do you ever like see a video made by another J-Vlog? You're like, fuck, I wanted to do that, like. Yeah, sometimes.

Do you just scrap it if that happens? Or what's the game? I remember I was thinking of doing a day in the life series and then YouTube called Paolo. Yeah, yeah. Yeah, yeah. I was like, oh, he's done it. All right.

Fine. You can't do a common copyright. Yeah, I can't. And that's fair enough, he's done it well. If you didn't do it well, I think. But you did something similar, like with yourself. Like you did like, yeah, you did like a day in the life of like abroad in Japan on a bicycle.

No, no, no, no, no. Like, I think the thumbnail was like you and a shinkansen. Oh yeah, I did it once many years ago. Maybe he got the inspiration. We never know. We did, it's day definitely did. I feel like where it is maybe, maybe like a channel like Paolo,

is I feel like it's more really 100% based on what is happening in the video and what's being shown. But I feel like at least with your channel, there is a lot of your humor which is kind of crucial to the style. Yeah. To the video.

So I feel like maybe if you did do it, if you added your own humor into it, but then you don't wanna get in a way of the thing that you're showing. No, I know if I did it, then loads of people comment. Yeah, true, you don't wanna deal with that. Yeah, yeah, yeah, so that's my main thinking. He's done it well.

He's covered like interesting people. When I say day in my life, I don't mean me, A day of my life's rubbish. He's like me sitting in a room matching up my socks. That's literally my life. That's reality. Matching up socks.

Matching up socks and doing nothing. Because, yeah, I feel like exactly the same where I, there was a point when I tried to watch like every other anime YouTuber or everyone in my sphere. And then it just got to a point when it just became like stressful because you just watch other YouTubers and you're like, oh man, I want us to do that topic or I want us to do that topic. And now like pretty much I just keep up

with what my mates are doing and some other people. But like did you guys ever go through that phase as well? I did but then like very quickly I realized like just how, again like same with J-Blogging, just how broad anime YouTube is and how many topics that were covered. So like yeah, at that time I was like,

oh man I wanted to do that idea or I wanted to do that idea but then after a while I was just like, fuck it. People have already done this, I'll fucking do it. And like I can put my own twist on it and I'm sure my audience will enjoy it And if they're so willing to be like, oh, this is just a copy of someone. And I'm just like,

I had a problem when I was doing a video earlier this year about things I'll never understand about Japan and I was working on, I was like, wait a minute, someone's done this already and it's Joey, I was like, 12 things I'll never understand about Japan, my was gonna be like 10, and I was like, shit, can't do that.

No, my was, he's got two more. 13 things about Japan, I'll never understand. Is that an extra one? So in the end I just called it, what I'll never understand. And that, I mean, it still did well. Yeah. I don't think I've ever re-watched many years.

YouTube aside from you two, I think. And I never really worried about overlapping at all because I was pretty confident that I was doing the stupidest shit that was available. So I was like, no one's as willing to embarrass themselves as me, so I'm pretty sure I've got this. You were kind of an anomaly. I mean, you were called the 93% for a reason, you know.

You know why I was gonna be 93%? Because he's a white male. I don't know. At one point, my audience was, well, I'm not gonna say for some reason, I know why. was 93% female. Yeah, at some point. Which in the attitude world was unheard of.

Yeah, because it was normally the other way. There's a massive sausage fist, essentially. It is. It normally is. It's, you know, dudes arguing about, you know, which Naruto power up is the strongest, you know. Wow, that's quite impressive. Is it like that now?

No, it's like 60-40 now. So it's melt, but I mean, you know, it's good. I mean, at the time, yeah, I guess. I mean, because I was covering mainly anime shows or doing stuff. I was doing like prank calls, as anime characters from shows.

that were like more female oriented. And that's the secret. Doing the British, you know, like British butler, you know like, Sebastian, yes, you know. I would like call up McDonald's and tell them, oh my gosh, no, it's not working. And I think like the reason why like Conan did excel on that is because again, that was tapping into an audience,

like a female demographic that literally none of us were tapping into. Yeah, I feel like a lot of people on YouTube are really like unoriginal. Like they don't, they never think outside of like, okay, if it's the anime community at that time, it was either talk about anime or make a show where you talk over anime

and do make them say things they weren't saying. And no one was really trying to think like, what else can you do with this medium other than talk about shows and do that thing? And I was like, well, I kinda like the abridging, which is like you re-dub anime, but make you say horrible things. But I didn't like how that took like a month to make. So I was like, all right, I'll go in the middle.

I'll take these characters and just prank call people with them and do the voices. And it kind of was like a happy medium of like messing around, also I can interject a lot of my personality into it. So slowly built it up. So yeah, but I haven't done prank calls in so long there. Yeah, I was about to say. Cause for me like, I,

do you guys remember how you started to find your style? Cause I, when I completely start, when I started YouTube, mine was completely, here's, I'm gonna try and rip up zero punctuation. And this is just my style. Do you remember your old Twitter bio? Because I do. I do know, Twitter bio is,

how do you remember this? Because I think I remember click on it for some reason. It was like, I'm that other fast talking British guy Oh, was actually no way. I think it was like, I think it was like, oh, that's so embarrassing. It was like not Yatsy or something in your bio.

Because that was always my top comments, so I was just like, let's just refer to this in the bio. But like the more I did videos, I guess, more than my own style evolved, because I started YouTube 2007, so like mine was at right like near the beginning of YouTube. So there wasn't really anyone else to play off of, so I just kind of copied who I was watching at the time.

while I was watching at the time, and there wasn't many creators on the platform. But in terms of you guys, how did you find your style? How did you start out, I guess? I mean, I don't know, really. Do you almost feel that, like, YouTube style is like, you just try a bunch of things, and then one or two of them work,

and you just, like, iterate it. And then you try, again, with a bunch of iterations of, like, that thing that you did yourself. Not copying other people, but, like, so you have a success with one thing, and then like, okay, what worked about that? How do I then try a bunch of new things? Then slowly you start to figure out,

okay, this isn't working, this isn't working. I don't know, what do you think? Because yours is very different, because obviously, you are more comedy normal. Yeah, I mean, mine's more based off British TV, like Charlie Brooker, for example, the writer of a planet. I love Charlie Bricker.

Yeah, yeah, oh my God, I take inspiration from ScreenWite as well. In my year in reviews, the year interviews was directly influenced by Charlie Burker, fucking fantastic. And that is one of my key influences. So that's the sort of thing I would have watched. And then when I sat down front of the camera,

I thought, that's what I want to channel. And it's, When I'm on camera, it's kind of not me. It's more like a kind of more, obviously, energetic, sarcastic bit of individual. I'm not that monstrous off-cap, well, I might be. I feel like your style sometimes is almost like reminiscent of like David Mitchell

in terms of that very like dry sarcasm, you know, that's just so beautiful. I love David Mitchell, you know? Yeah, yeah, I'd like that. Without the like depressing look sometimes that David Mitchell has those eyes. I don't know, man, I've been on a four-day trip with him.

That's awesome proof. pretty depressing, like, sad faces. Oh, God, yes. Yeah, no, I just British TV is my main influence. I wouldn't say, actually, I've been influenced by another YouTube channel as such as a result. But what I have found is over the years, I started off quite strong in that character,

and I lost it because I started going from commentating on things in a room to doing more travel stuff. Right, right, right. And you can't be a cynical, sarcastic dickhead. You don't want to say, people are like, oh, this is your dinner. And I'm like, fuck off, love. Like, oh, thank you very much.

Yeah, Tadukamask. You have to be nicer when you're out and about doing things. So I lost that. But this year, by virtue of the virus, by virtue of being indoors more, I've kind of gone back to rediscovering that character and who I actually enjoy being on camera. I think it's weird you say that

because I did a video in, like, well, two videos I've done. Like I'm starting to try and do some videos outside in Japan, like out of my bedroom, basically. Yeah, I did a video in a host club. Yeah, it's a good video. Oh, okay, thank you, thank you. Yeah, and that was really difficult because my back of my head was like,

I wanna crack jokes at the dumb stuff that they're doing or the really cringy moments, but at the same time, I don't wanna offend them. So it's kind of striking that balance of like, I'm playing the fool where I'm like, oh, that's odd, isn't it? You know, like, that's kind of strange, huh? But then just moving on, yeah.

It's a tough one, you can't, yeah, that sort of cynical, sarcastic side. Trying to strike that balance, right? In Japan. Yeah, you kind of gotta be like rhetorical in a sense and not just be like directly like, cast on. Because if you're in your bedroom

and you're watching a video, or you're commentating on something. You can really just go in and like make full on jokes, right? So it's trying to channel almost that British sense of like, just take a little like, you know, a little jab, but saying a point that's not a jab, right? Like, jaded it in and it's like, oh, this is strange, isn't it?

I mean, let's talk about that. What was, what was the whole experience like for you? Like, is there anything off camera or anything like, I only heard the stories you told me personally. There was a lot of things cut, because we all went there to scout it a day before, didn't. We happened to be in Shinjuku,

and I was gonna film that the next day. And we were like, can we just like rock up to the shows club and see what's up? And it like, it looks sketch, right? Like, it was pretty fucking dirty. They were very, very nice to me. But I won't, I will be honest and say that the, it was a little, you know.

No, I mean, I remember going to the area and I'm like, I'm normally, I don't fear for my safety in Japan. It was in the really sketchy area of Shinjuku. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. That's pretty shady. And, uh, I mean, what do you want to know about this, the whole thing?

Because like, what was the most awkward experience? We were recording for four hours. Okay. So it was a four hour shoot. So we started before they opened up and then we went through the whole thing and they like, the whole point was that like, I wanted to actually try and talk to customers.

Because in my head, I wanted it to kind of be like Louis Thoreau-esque where he really, he puts himself in the situation. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. I really wanted to put myself in a situation that was really uncomfortable for me. And yeah, so I was introduced around by the main guy called Tyser and I'm very thankful he showed me around.

I don't think many people in the comments liked him though. And why? He made a lot of jokes and we cut a lot of them. He was very, very insisted on like bashing my looks a lot. And I was rolling with it. I was like, yeah, yeah, I'm ugly. Wow. Do you think he was trying to be funny and just failing

or was it like, was there some of that. I think he was also maybe a little like acting up for the camera. I think maybe he's like, oh, this new kid comes in. He's got subscribers, let's show him like, you know, what's what? He ain't shit. Basically, I think he was like, this kid thinks he's hot, no way. Assert dominance, you know. It was just like, the way that they like attract women

I found was like so blatantly Japabe. Yeah, yeah. You know what I mean? It's like it was really opposite from like Western hitting on like, they would literally the moment this girl sat down, right? They were like, yo, your heart, you're beautiful, what you're doing, oh, you, like, what do you do? Really?

They were like, the moment they sit down, they start heading. That forward. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. And you know those girls are just like, pshh, you know? And the problem is is that like, they wanted me, to like sit down and immediately like start heading on them. And I was like so like, dude, I can't do that.

Like I like the slow game, you know? Let's just talk, go out for a date or two. Yeah. But it's really strange. So like the way the hosts work, at least these guys like the whole thing was like, you know, butter them up, get them to, you know, buy your drinks, add them online,

talk to them, take them out on dates afterwards, be like, hey, you come to the host club tonight? Like, it was really like weird, I guess. Superficial? Yeah, it was very superficial. And I really, I felt to understood how like a lot of these girls were really into them. Because there's one girl in the video who was like adamant that she was going to marry the host. Oh God.

Oh, wow. Obviously he was like, yeah, of course you are. You know what I mean? Because she just spent $10,000 on a champagne bottle. So of course he's going to be like, of course you're my future life. What does she do to be able to afford such frivolous expenditure? What they told me off camera was that they tend to be in the same kind of industry. Oh, so it's kind of like they're like the same five Tumblr artists

just giving each other the same commission. The circular economy. She might be working on like a kibakura. That guy might go to the kibakura to go see her. Most of them were working in soap plans. So a lot of them, which if you don't know is an underboard kind of, I mean it is, if you Google it, it's a problem. It's legal prostitution, actually.

So a lot of them tended to be also, you know, prostitutes themselves. And I guess that's why they were maybe okay with the superficiality of it all. Have you been to a snack bar or a hostess club or anything before that? I'd went to like a maid cafe and that was about it. I'd never been to like anything where it was like that because they were like from the moment these girls come in they get eight or nine minutes each each host for about an hour to just hit on these girls. So one goes in and then you know he does his thing immediately after he walks the next host comes in. Start hitting on them. And then after like an hour, right, she has to choose who she likes.

It's like speed dating. It's literally speed dating. But a lot of the girls, I think, just come in for the, because you get like two hours of free, like, like $10 for all you can drink. Right. So a lot of the people, a lot of people come in, do the two hours and then just never come back. Yeah. But yeah, no, I remember it was really, really, really painful to try and hit on these girls.

Because also, I was trying to hit on them through a translator. I don't know if you've ever tried to hit on someone. It's like, it's like, hey, ladies. It's like, it's like this distance. We're sitting next to the sun swelling, I'm like, you look really pretty. Kid-Aidus, man. I'd say, kid-edish, no.

They would say it, they would say it back, and then they'd be like, thanks, and I'm like, I would be your translation. Just like, just imagine being the translator, and just like, that's a next level of third wheel. Yeah, what I mean? The whole thing is like, obviously, I'm also drinking a lot of alcohol

because the main host was adamant on getting me smashed. Yeah. And so, it looked, like we were drinking water, but it was just like, in between the shots that you would constantly doing was Strong Zero. Oh God. And they would drink Strong Zero like water. Oh my God. Every time they'd have to go to a girl, they would have to finish

all that drink that they would make as well. And these were always like 12% or higher spirits, right? They were pouring. And I remember they were telling me the hosts in Japan, they were like vomiting every single night from alcohol. I mean, if you're mixing Strong Zero of like champagne and shots. Yeah, because they made me down at like a half bottle of champagne. Oh my god.

How much was that worth? How much is that? On the menu it costs like, I think it was like 9,000 or something. Were you sick after all of this? No, I wasn't funny enough. I went to like Littleland right after and I had a great meal. I was like sobering up in a hot pot place. But it was, yeah, so that was like $9,000 or something.

So you drank like $4,000 worth of champagne. Yeah, and then a bunch of drinks in between that. The shots were like $30 each and all the drinks were like $50. Would you ever do a video like that, Chris? Well, I was thinking about doing it until I saw yours, and I was like, I'm not gonna put myself. That's what I thought. I wondered why no JVloggers had done it,

but I felt like none of them would be willing to do the, yeah. I was like, I'm not cutting like five years of my life expectancy for this video. But that's the thing, right? They do it, but like they all owned, like apartments in central Shinjuku because they make like average like $10,000 a night.

Yeah, yeah. And a lot of them send it to their families, so a lot of them are just like making them money while it's good, I guess, and then getting out. The coolest guy there was the vice president who, like, wasn't a host. And I thought he was, like, by far the hottest as well. He was, like, 34, and he looked like every, like,

bishy anime character. Oh, really? Yeah, yeah, yeah. And he was really nice. He was really open. He was given us a whole tour, telling us everything about the club while the other guys just wanted to see me fail with the women. Because I remember the main guy was like, oh, yeah, yeah, you're gonna be supporting me.

And I turn, and I go over. And he's like, oh, yeah, so no, you have to do the, I'll support you. I'm like, what I was lied to? Jesus. Yeah, and we cut a lot of the stuff because I got really fucking drunk. What's like the craziest place

you're like willing to like go film in Japan? I don't know, I've always wanted to film a snack bar or a hostess bar. Because you've done the... What are they? Well, it's basically like what you've just described but the other way around with girls and guys, right?

Oh, okay. It's far less expensive. And where I used to live in Yamagata, it's like the only thing to do. You go to an as a car and the second place you always go for Nijikai party is a hostess club or a snack.

Snack bar is kind of like a cheaper I've been to a snack bar before. Yeah, and there's nothing seedy about them. There's nothing really seedy about hostess. I mean, it was a little bit seedy for me, because I was like 16 when I wanted to. That's not just a city, but illegal. I was like in the middle of nowhere in Hokkaido,

because I was like working in the ski fields, and my boss was like, hey, let's go to snack bar and I'm like, I'm like four years underage to go. And it's like, no, you'll be alright, so I went. And you know, this like 16 year old kid just like sitting there, you know, just like sipping, you know, beer or whatever. And the mama, who's like the, that's the name that they give to like the main hostess

of the snack bar. She just sat right next to me, she's like, so how old are you? Oh, God. And I was like, fuck, what should I say? I guess I should just say 20. And my boss at the time was like, shit-faced already because he couldn't hold his lick, he's like,

oh, he's 26. And the moment he said that, I was like, I'm getting kicked out. There's no way she's gonna look at me and be like, yeah, you're a 26 year old. But no, the mom just looked at me, he was like, oh, you look for a young. For a 26-year-old.

If you say you're over 20, they don't question it. They're like, all right, cool. It's true. No, no, because like, in Asia, especially, like, if you're, because you're like half Australian as well. So they just assume you're fucking old as fuck. It was the first time I was thankful for my girl's face. Like, I was just like, thank God I look like five years older

than I actually am. I would have been some deep shit otherwise. But no, but the snack bar is fun. Like it's way more chill than like what I assume a host club would be. I mean, you just sit down. I often take friends to one just to surprise them that comes to Japan. for the first time because they sit down

and there's like two girls either sides and they're like, pull their drinks, like their cigarettes. That just sounds like fun though. It does, but mostly my friends are awkward because it's a concept that doesn't exist really, you know, outside of ground. I think if you described that someone in the UK,

I think that's kind of like, oh, you're like a sleazy sound. Yeah, you're like a sleazy stuff. I mean, the closest thing I could think of in like the UK is probably like a strip club, right? Yeah, yeah. But it's, I'm not saying that is, but it's like the closest experience

I can think of just for like a very broad term. But they're far better at a better at a, hostess place because they'll be really, you know, they'll talk to you so much. Yeah, yeah, full on you. And then they'll make you sing karaoke songs. Oh, that sounds like fun. Yeah, it's right.

They won't make you drink a disturbing amount of alcohol. Like, it's not quite as bad as what you do. Yeah, they definitely seem really sleazy, the host clubs. And I believe there's like, a lot of them are owned by, you know, sketchy people. You know, I'm not want to say, oh, name names. You know, just some gangs or whatever. Like bad.

The way would. Yeah, you know, the games by saying, those people, I'm pretty sure. I'm pretty sure a lot of them are owned by that because they seem to just kind of like operate under their own kind of line. Yeah, yeah, absolutely. I mean, that's where I was so impressed

that they were just wanna be like, yeah, come on in, film it all, man, come on. I don't know how you got permission though, that easily. What happened was, is that, yeah, I think our producer, Maline, best producer has every connection in Japan, apparently, talk to a host.

Host was like, yeah, I wanna stop my YouTube channel. So, right. And apparently if you're like the number one host in the club, you have a lot of like power. But the thing is right, is that that's constantly changing. So next week you could be like, have no say. So this guy was like, oh yeah, I'm bringing in this guy with a film crew,

take care of him. And to be fair, everyone was really like nicely. They does film a lot of stuff, like when they were talking about earnings and stuff, they let us film. But we cut that. But they let us like in on listening to it and who was winning the earnings and stuff.

And they take it really seriously. They compete against other host clubs to see who's getting the most money between them. And we're talking like, disturbing amounts of money. Like I think one guy for... The one who gets the most is Roland, I think. You know, you've heard of Roland?

Right, yeah, I've heard of his Roland candy. It's like $50,000 a month, I think. Maybe more. No, it's a day, for a day. Because on one guy, one birthday, they were telling me, he got like $60,000 on his birthday day. Because on your birthday, everyone has to buy you drinks and stuff. We're in the wrong business.

That's not. And they asked me, you know, they asked me, they're like, how much do you earn for like having a million subscribers? I told them how much I earned in like a month, and they were like, was that it? We made that in 10 minutes. They were like, why don't you be 100%?

So in other words, if you're starting your YouTube channel for the money, don't bother, just go to host. It was at that moment that I've never regretted not speaking Japanese more than any moment. Just come in here like part time, you know what I mean? They're like, oh, you earn one dollar per subscriber, right? That's how it works. That's how it works, right?

That's how it works, right? Of course. I never, like I thought like, I had a nice comfort earning until they like, just fucking, in front of all the hosts were like, wow, that's pathetic. And I was like, it's just like a collective, like, ha, ha, all right.

That's cute, that's cute. Cause I remember I watched your video where you went balls deep into a, Balls Deep. Balls deep with Chris Broad. Into a love hotel. Oh yeah, well. Oh yeah, that was a great video.

Yeah, that was a great video. Yeah, it's cool. he was just the most hilarious man. Yeah, he walked in a room and he's like, let's play sexist. That is the ultimate one line sales pitch for anything. Let's tend to be like the easiest time I've had recording in Japan is when you know the owner

and he's totally chill. Oh yeah, yeah. You have to go through like seven companies and everyone has to approve. Like I did a video and say where, but there was like seven people watching me the whole time like corporate people. I know the feeling.

And I was just like, all right, can I make a joke? Like, am I allowed to do this? When you know the owner of somewhere in Japan, it's just fast-tracks everything. Yeah, that was a really great guy. Shishdoh Sam. He was really cool, down-to-earth guy. He, like, he gave me a goody bag

of, like, various sex toys as I left. And I was like, oh, thank you, Shishdor Sam. A dildo. Great. Give you a dilder to be actually. Also, and a porn magazine of prostitia. Like, just various things. I was like, great.

Goody bag. Is that the most fun you've had filming in outside or in Japan then? It's certainly up there. top three moment. And they did like, the opening the video, he does these monkey bars across a bed. Yeah, he did. Yeah. Yeah. And he made some disturbing moans. When I edited it, I had a shot of a bed, right? You can't see him doing the monkey bars. So it looks really dodgy. And so the opening to the love hotel video, the first 10 seconds is, oh, uh, uh, and a shot of a bed. And loads of people messaged me, like, you bastard, I was playing this video in the library. I was playing around my parents' house. They heard these dodgy noises. How dare you? that's so many times.

Brilliant. Just totally. What would you say is like your, like so far your favorite video you filmed? Jesus, Joey, you can't put that. Wow, that's a really broad, broad question. Yeah, yay! I hate myself, I'm so sorry.

It's the one with you been, Joey, of course. The one with the tunnel. I was hoping you'd say that. Did you see our tunnel video? You want chills? You want chills? Oh, yeah! That's the Burger King Footletters guy.

When you messaged me about that, I was like, my dream has come true. The most, what was it, the most haunted, It's YouTube channel chills, right? Five millions per year. Yeah, yeah, yeah. What was the video? It was like top five YouTube videos

that went too far. That went too far. Do you know, chills? Have you heard his stuff before? No, I hadn't. I thought, oh wow, I didn't even watch a video. They messaged me like, can we use your videos? I was like, yes, you've got five millions of subscribers,

do it you want. Have your way with my videos. I was like an iconic meme. I was like, yeah. I was like, why is his voice like that? I was like, wait a minute, if I missed something. We'll show you a meme later.

I was so happy when like, there was nothing more invigorating when just in that voice, they say, he says your name. Joey and Chris, go to a hole. Chris goes into a tunnel with his best friend, Joey the anime, man. I was like, yes.

October 16th, 2018 is when Chris bikes with his friend Joey in search of an eerily abandoned tunnel that's rumored to be haunted. I love it. Life goes. Oh, it's the best. I just got a flashback.

After I did that host club video, I got an email. from a prostitution website in Japan. Did you actually? They were like, and they'd sent me videos of like on live league of people filming prostitutes undercover. They were like, this is what you can do if you want. And I was like, that doesn't sound legal.

I was on the train and I was like, yeah, I'll open this link for some reason. I opened this link, it was like, 18 plus. And I was like, but yeah, they were like, if you want, we'll arrange escorts for you and you can film the whole thing. And I'm like, film what? From what?

From which process of this? All processes. Do I need to like get approval from browsers to use their logo? Is that something that I need? It was really strange. I should find the, I'll find the email if we take a break or whatever, but like, yeah,

it was, they were basically like saying, if you wanna order any prostitutes and make a video about it in Japan. We'll do this mental. Yeah. I can totally, like, I don't know why I can totally see you doing a video or it's like, I tried escorts in Japan.

It's in the room, here with my prostitute Here in my garage and my prostitute. That's like peak YouTube a clickbay, right? I had a prostitute, not click pay. I tried to be an escort, gone wrong. No, gone sexual. Could you put me on the website?

Yeah, and I looked at it and it was like, it was legit. There was like videos of like, like, someone had like a secret GoPro or something and they were filming it. And it was really- That doesn't sound cool. It was very disturbing. Yeah, and I quickly turned it off when they started started talking about what acts they were gonna perform

for what price. Oh my God, how to hell. I just found it so odd that they watched my host club video and that they were like, this seems like a natural evolution. I should ask him if he would like to hire an escort. You've done an awful lot of seedy shit, given your relatively short time in Japan. Yeah, I'm like, I'm like, the government, please leave me alone.

Like, yeah, I did worry if like the host club would like raise any like suspicions or anything, but I was like it, I think it's a really interesting concept. If I handle it well, it should be fine. And I mean, the video did well, right? Yeah, that was, that took a, forever to come edit, but yeah, enough about that anyway. Yeah, I mean like, you know shit's gone real

when you see the LiveLeak logo. That's like, I didn't even see, it wasn't on LiveLeague, it was a link to a video with a LiveLeague, oh, okay, okay. I was like, oh no. God, so what do you guys think of the state of YouTube right now then? Right in there, God, damn,

I'm just jumping right into it, okay? Why can't I hire prostitutes? I mean, it depends on you're doing. I imagine you imagine you don't have any issues really with YouTube, right? No, I've got a video coming out this week about why I hate Japanese TV and I've got clips from Japanese TV in it. That's the first time my video could get bugged for years. Do you even get like demonetized? No, sure you're not.

Really? Two, three years ago, yeah. Oh yeah, I was gonna say, but not recently, right? Maybe for swearing if anything. Swering and, you know, Fukushima documentary got a little bit bugged for being a sensitive topic. Really? Yeah, I remember you telling me about that. I was like, spent like two, three weeks on this amazing documentary.

It was amazing. I watched it. And I was really proud of it. And then the YouTube was like, no, we're not promoting that. That's the, that's the worst feeling in the world. It's horrific. Like, I'm proud of that. Yeah. That was an amazing video, by the way. I do. But like, luckily, loads of people on Twitter seemed to push the video. And then I contacted YouTube and I was like, stop being shit. And they were okay. And they did something. It kind of released it. And then views started going up. And so it's kind of doing it right now. Holy shit. That actually works.

It works. It works. What? this and it worked. That's the first story I've ever heard of someone contacting YouTube, especially about like getting demonetized or age restricted or something

and getting that fixed. And it works. And it works. Just gotta go in swearing. They removed like 200 copyright claims from my channel twice. So that was nice of them. Yeah, I mean, I was surprised.

I mean, that was a fucking miracle that happened. Yeah. My whole channel, I was using an outro song that I bought a license to. Turned out this guy who made it didn't have the license to do what he did. So I had a bogus license and I had like a hundred and four

40 videos, all my revenue just over night, which just got taken. And I beat it the first time, because it was being copyright claimed by him. The second time I was being copyright claimed by Warner Brothers or someone, and it was like a nightmare. So had to re-render all my videos out

with a silent thing and YouTube did a thing where they like swap it with the live video, which they never do, they rarely do it. And the only reason they did it was because I talked shit about my partner manager in one of the videos. I was like, she was useless, she doesn't do anything. And I think she felt bad. That could have gone either way.

That could have been like, yeah, fuck you there. at the time I was so frustrated, I was like my God, like I just lost thousands of dollars every month, right? So, but they worked with me and we got it done, but that's the only time I've had like a positive experience. Because like the thing about YouTube is that it's just, sometimes it's terrifying just to put your entire,

like livelihoods on someone in someone else's shoes or someone else's hands. Because I remember the biggest heart attack I've ever got, which was like, I think it was last year where I logged onto YouTube and I just had this message that said, your account has been terminated. What? You ever told me about that?

No, it got demonetized, right? The whole channel. Did it, I think, I don't know. It got demonetized, I remember, because like Mr. Beast. Yeah, that was the one time where everyone got involved. Like, I don't think I could upload anything. Yeah.

I don't know if my videos were even up. I can't remember exactly what happened because it was like a blur. Because you know when you read the message and you're like, you're like, what do I do? Like, how did this happen? Like, it wasn't like a copyright claim,

It wasn't anything I'd seen before. It was just like, it just basically shut down my channel. They just took everything, right, yeah. I just took everything. And do you know what sucks is that now to be like, to really get YouTube's attention, you just have to make as much noise as you can on Twitter, you know what I mean?

Twitch is the key. Yeah. It sucks though. They don't have a good support system. I know, right? It sucks that the, you basically have to hope that you can make enough noise and you have enough of a following or social media presence

on another platform aside from YouTube to make enough noise on Twitter to be able to... Why did it happen? It was just something wrong with that algorithm. They had mistaken... Why do I know more about this than you?

They'd mistaken you because you used a lot of anime footage that he was reusing, like, content. And I think they demonetize channels that used too much footage from shows. And they mistaken it for obviously not being fair use. I think is what happened if I'm right.

I mean, I wouldn't be surprised if that was the case. Yeah, yeah. I don't know why I remember this so vividly. I don't know why you remember it better than me. I really more of God shit than him. I know his Twitter bio. Yeah, I know.

You're like a secret. Superfan of gone. Yeah, I remember things, I don't know. It was just a blur for me, because it was just, that was the most stressful day, because it was like 24 hours for we got fixed, which, you know, that's fair enough, 24 hours, but 24 hours just like, logically, you know,

maybe this is probably gonna be fixed, you know, this is gonna be mistake. It'll be fine by tomorrow. Must be the longest 24 hours. Oh, no, it was the longest 24 hours in my life. Because actually, it was the second time that my channel had been deleted. So the first time my channel got deleted

was in 2011, which is why, if you go to my, like oldest video, it's from 2011, and that's because I had to re-upload everything. Oh, really? And that was, you know, that was only back when I had 30,000 subscribers, but like- I mean, all that time, 30,000 probably felt like the world.

No, no, it was, it was. And that was like, that was the most, like, my heart sank lower than, like, anyone had ever, like, I'd ever felt before. Just seeing years of your work, just be, just like go down the drain and it's completely out of your control. So that's like the one downside of being a YouTuber.

The biggest downside, I'd say, for me. That sense of it all being outside your control. Yeah. Like 2017 was a bad year when they started demonetizing everything. Oh my God, they went so trigger-happy with that. It went mental. I remember talking to you, Joey, you had loads of videos. A third of my videos got demonetized. Oh, about 20%.

Yeah, I had like over a thousand videos at that point, and I think over 300 videos got demonetized. It was like overnight. I remember they did it to everyone. It was absolutely chaos the next day. What triggered it again? I can't remember. I believe it was.

The Logan Paul's suicide forest. Was it? Yeah. No, it was 2018, wasn't it? I thought it was the, I thought it was PewDiePie. Yeah. I wasn't directly his fault, but I think that was the iceberg. I think so. It might have been a combination of the two, I don't know. Because it was right after the Wall Street Journal made the article on Pewty Park.

Yeah, yeah, yeah. That was that was a ton of started the adpocalypse. That made it. That made a wave two. Yeah, way too. Yeah, that was definitely wave two. Yeah. That was another thing.

It was just, you kind of shoot yourself and everything. I talked about that in the upcoming video. I do you. Because I was brought onto Japanese TV onto Mesomashi Tedabi, which is like the biggest morning TV show in Japan. They were like, I was like forced to like defend all foreign YouTubers YouTubers in the name of Logan

Paul. I was like, what do you think of Logan Paul? You're a YouTuber and you're foreign. I was like, oh, it's terrible, isn't it? I literally said that same line over there. What do you think? Terrible, isn't it? Barcerous. American, man. American? It's terrible, wasn't it? I just kept saying that. And they went home to Tokyo.

I've done my bit. Was this recent or? No, that was in 2018. I was gonna say, was that the, are you YouTuber? Yes. Oh my God. It's my favorite fucking clip ever. It's like, they just opened the door to your apartment,

and they're like, are you YouTuber? And you're just like, yes, I am. Like, we had to do that three times because the first time I just went, um, yeah. And the final take went, yes, Chris Broad, and met them into my apartment and it was a bit surreal. Yes, it's gross. Japanese TV.

I mean, yeah, I, I mean, yeah, I, I've had some pretty late, because I've been on Japanese TV twice, right, at this point. And man, I don't know about you, like you've been on Japanese TV a few times too, right? Yeah, six or seven, six or seven times. Holy sure, one take it that many times.

Quite a lot. What four every time you're just talking about YouTube? One was about Brexit, they interviewed me on Brexit. You're serious? The day before and after the vote, they asked me like, what do you think is gonna happen? I was like, it's not gonna happen. Never in a million years, never,

and then it happened, obviously. Yeah, yeah, yeah. And they had me like pretend. I was disappointed, obviously. And I was forced to set my laptop with my head like this going, looking really emotional. Oh, they made you do that? Yeah, they made me look really sad.

I'm like looking at the laptop at BBC website going on. Right. And because they found out, because obviously I'm a YouTuber, they were like, oh, you're a YouTuber. Hold a camera as well while you're doing it. Oh my God.

Delivering my verdict on Brexit while holding a camera being like, yeah, it's terrible, it's the economy. That's the one thing I fucking hate about the two times. that I was on Japanese TV. It's just like, it had to be very theatrical. Right, like, I knew Japanese TV was fucking scripted out of its ass.

Yeah, yeah. Just the extent to which it is scripted is just ridiculous. Absolutely. Like the, I remember one time I was on this, the first time I was on a TV program here in Japan was, they did like a street interview in Harajuku. Yeah, and it was like one of those,

it was a TV show, quote unquote, debate show where they would like, gather like 30 different foreigners from like different countries. Oh God. And they would put them into a studio to basically like, there's like 30 guy gyms and then there's like 30 like Japanese scholars.

And we'd have to like debate on like really like controversial shit. I think one of the topics was like, should Japan legalize marijuana? Oh God. That was one of the topics. Oh, is it that would go down well. And like and like I got done on the street interview and I guess like the crew at the time

really liked my answers that they were like, hey, we might call you back and invite you to the actual studio. Right, right. Because apparently I was like the only Australian that they ever interviewed. So I was like, you have to come in to represent Australia as a country.

Because like every guy you know, was there was representing a different like Western country. And like I sat there, I did a whole video on this which went viral, but like I sat in the studio essentially and they even like before the show started, they gave me like this full on like 40 page script of the entire show. And they were like, okay, in this section,

the host is gonna like call up and be like, hey, does anyone have an opinion? And you're the only one that's gonna put their hand up to like give an opinion. And I'm like, really that bad. Yeah, and they told me that five minutes before we started filming the goddamn show. So I'm just like, okay, I have to remember at hour,

like one hour and 27 minutes, I have to put my hand up to give an opinion about the legalization of marijuana in Japan. At the end, they didn't even like get to that question. So literally it was like a two and a half hour recording and the whole time I just sat there silently. So you didn't even say anything. I didn't say anything the whole time

and they paid me 50 bucks for it. And I was like, all right, cool. I sat in the studio silently for two and a half hours to just look pissed off because I'm hearing these other arguments about why it shouldn't be legalized or why it should be legalized. And it's the most like rudimentarily basic argument that I've ever heard.

It's like anybody with a fucking brain woman. Yeah, it's like anybody with a fucking brain can come up with this discussion. And I'm just like, and I'm just sitting there just angrily like waiting for my cue and it's never coming. So I'm just like, I really wanna tell these people to shut the fuck up about their dumb ass up.

And it's just not coming. So I'm just like, I even like turn to the guy in the show. You can actually see it in the show. I actually turn to the guy and I'm just like, I'm supposed to say something in this part. And the guy's just like, yeah, I am too, and I'm waiting. It just doesn't happen. Wait, who are you sitting next to?

Like what country were they rapping? It was like, it was either America or not Canadian. It was a Canadian guy, that's right. It was a Canadian guy and he's like, yeah, yeah, like I was for the legalization marijuana because obviously Canada's like all for that. And he's like, yeah, so I was gonna say something too. And after the show, we like bonded over that.

We were just like, man, fuck this show. Like they like brought us in, like they brought us in as well like two hours earlier. And I'm like, we didn't have to wait this long. Jesus. And it's like, I basically wasted an entire evening for me to just publicly humiliate myself by sitting on Japanese TV,

it's just like the biggest resting bitch face. And what do I get for it? 50 bucks. No, no, you got a video out of it. Now, he got a viral video out of it. I got a viral video out of it. He got peak YouTuber clickbaits. That's the thing, right? If you have a shitty situation,

if you can get a video out of it, it's worth more than that. The most ironic thing is, is that that video like pushed me to over a million subs. Oh, actually, I got a good question for you guys. What's the one time you click baited that you're like, Even you look at that video and you're like,

oh man, I'm disappointed to myself for going for clickbaiting that hard. Do you have that? Have you ever clicked baited? I thought you're too professional. Probably my most successful video. 12 things not to do in Japan. That is still, to this day, on my recommended. Even though I've watched it already.

What, Jenkins? It's like, you really like this. I think though with that video, the reason why I did so well is not because of the clickbait but when you released it. I released it by shit. I think I released it one week before Logan Poole did all my God.

And then all the comments are, don't be Logan Paul, ha, ha, ha, ha. Rule number 10, don't be Logan Paul, ha, ha, and that's like, you know, 20% of the many comments. And it was so perfect as well, because literally, I think it was like seven out of the 12 things you said, Logan Paul did. Hit done.

You didn't even have to make a statement, like a different statement, like that video just spoke for itself. Yeah. Good old Logan Paul, he got me a viral hit and he got a great, great man. A legend. I don't know, like, like, It's like, it just comes down to like, what even is clickbait anymore, right? Because like, I think as long as you deliver on the title, that is the main thing.

Like my video I talked about earlier, what was it? What I, the one that you did that I did. What you don't understand about Japan? What I'll never understand about Japan. That sounds quite clickbait. And the, you know, the thumbnails me going, eh, with some beer looking really shocked. And it's a bit vague. But as long as the subject, as long as the content delivers on the title, I think it's okay to have a provocative.

clickbait style title. I mean, yeah, it's that's a good argument because like click bay, what is click bait in the end? There's like different levels in my eyes, you know what I mean? If you're like, it happened again and it's you going, like, incredibly vague, what it is? I'm definitely done that.

I'm sorry. I'm so sorry. And it's just him, his flight getting canceled to. It's literally his flight getting canceled to the convention. Yeah. I think it was called like, no, it was called like, No, it was called like, we're so angry and then in brackets, I'm sorry.

Yeah, yeah, yeah. It's literally just like, my flight got canceled. And all it was was fucking, like, Elysian Airlines. I watched that video, yeah, yeah. Like canceled our flight for no fucking reason and we missed our convention to Finland. I watched that. And that video is like, one point two million views.

Yeah, I'm like, this is a video, but it's not a one point two million. I mean, you, twatty title, no doubt about that, but the content delivered, it had a story, people interested, you know, as long as the content delivers and gives viewers something, And I think it's fair game.

Yeah, I'm not a total, I mean, I knew what I was doing when I titled that, like, you know, but I don't know, like, that's the thing, right? Like, every year, like, I feel like five years ago on YouTube, you could spot a clickbait title from a million miles away. Yeah, like, you didn't have, like, there was like a certain type of thumbnail, a certain structure to the title where it's like,

yeah, I'm gonna get baited if I click on this. But nowadays, like, I think people are just getting way smarter at titles and thumbnails. But like, I think clickbait has been getting smarter, as well, or like how to like get people's attention with a really, really unique title or thumbnail. Right, right, right. I feel like part of being a YouTuber

is just knowing the meta, the meta, is what I'm calling it, you know what I mean? You know what I mean? Like, I remember if back a few years ago, if he had the word prank or gone wrong or gone fucking sexual, you'd get fucking millions of views, easy, right? But now that does shit, you know what I mean?

There's a great quote I remember from Philip DeFranco when he was talking in a, video of his ways talking about clickbait. Cause you know, like Philly Dia, like back in the day was like the master of clickbait, right? And I think he's- For tits in the thumbnail.

Yeah, yeah, right? No, no, I remember that phase. Yeah, yeah, yeah. I mean, it was genius back in the day, right? Yeah. But like he said something along the lines of like, you know, with the title and thumbnail, as long as the content is good

and there's like at least some kind of like content that you can take away from it, it really doesn't matter what the title and thumbnail is because at the end of the day, you have to trick your kid into eating their vegetables. And when he said that, I was like, wow, that like, that actually makes a lot of sense.

Yeah. Because sometimes you might have a particular type of content where there's just no way you can like, tie a little thumbnail in a way that will get the attention of kids or like people with short attention spans. And so you have to be forced to clickbait. But as long as the content is good and is at some level of quality, I really don't think there is anything wrong with making like a really click

title of thumb. And that's always been my kind of guiding philosophy as well. Yeah, absolutely, absolutely. Because like, it's, it's, on YouTube is all about, you, because there's so much competition, right? The fucking recommended feed or the fucking homepage, you gotta, you gotta, like, immediately stand out. You can be making, what I hate about being a YouTuber

is that you can have a great fucking video. You know this video is a gold mine. You have no idea how to get people to click on it. Yeah, you know what I mean? Yeah. And like, sometimes you have a video, you poured your heart and soul into, and then you get to the title and thumb now,

you're like, fuck, what do I do? Yeah. Is that something you consider when you're like picking these places to visit? Are you thinking about like, how can I like, you know? Yeah, when I make it a video, the first thing I think about is what's the title to be. Yeah, yeah.

I think that's just like a natural instinct with YouTube nowadays. I've only gotten into doing that recently. Before it was just make the video that's had a good concept and figure it out. But I realized I was getting in situations where videos weren't doing too hot because people weren't clicking on them.

Yeah, yeah. And then once I got into the habit of like, get the title and then make the video around it almost at times, right? It's horrible to say that, but you don't have to do it. Like, yeah, title and thumbnail is by far the most important thing about being a successful YouTube. It is. It's sad that it's gotten to that point there where like you can't just have like a banga.

Like if you get a low click through rate, YouTube's like, no, no, no, that's not getting recommended. Yeah, you've got 3% less click pool rate than normal. Like even the whole like some creators who like don't try, you know, with their like title and thumbnails as much as to say other YouTubers, that's like a brand in it of itself, you know what I mean? Yeah.

Like, um, there are just some YouTubers that can literally title and thumbnail a video anything. And yeah, like, they just built that trust that like, they'll click through. Yeah. And I like to think that your channel is very much like that in a sense, because I don't really look at an abroad Japan video and think like, oh, that's click bait.

Right. Like, I, like, I know from the get go, like what I'm gonna get into when I see the title and thumb- That's true. Well, like, how long have you been doing YouTube? I've been doing it eight years as of the August this year. Oh wow. 2012. Yeah, but I've only made 200 videos, I think, so far.

So yeah, I mean, I make far less videos than like you guys, right? So I have to make every video really count for something. It has to be that video. I think a lot of people would say that they are. I mean, I know a lot of people who really speak really highly of your content, so it makes sense. Not a, you know, about that.

But going on off that, do you feel like the neat, Like the quality bar raises each year with like content that's being made in Japan, like the kind of vlog stuff? Or do you feel like you're already on top of that? Yeah. I mean, I remember about four years in there was a channel that popped up called Only in Japan, run by John Dorb, cool guy. And he raised the bar.

I used to just be a vlog kind of vlogging style. Yeah, yeah. Had TV production quality. And I was like, shit, that's the future. That's what you want to go out. So I've raised my bar to try and reach that kind of level of quality. And I've noticed since then a lot of channels have also started slowly like creeping up as well with the similar kind of production value.

What I will say is production value isn't as important as people think it is. The main thing is just having content that people want to watch. Like I've made lots of videos out about traveling to interesting places, but the videos always do the best is just me sitting in a room

giving a commentary on something. I mean, that's the thing at the end of the day, right? It doesn't matter how good of a camera you have, how good of a mic you have, how good you're editing is. If you have a personality of a brick wall, no one's going to fucking watch you. I'm right.

I mean, that's YouTube really, right? If you want to get a sterilized document of a place, a documentary, we can't watch something else. But I mean, that's even like Louis Thoreau, right? You watch him as well. You love Louis Thoreau. I fucking love Louis Thoreau.

I would marry Louis Thoreau. He's the goal standard. He is, he is there, right? Because the way that he doesn't, like, obstruct, and he doesn't judge, right? He doesn't get in the way of the documentary, but it's just enough personality where, like, you want it to be his documentary.

You know, like, you wish, sometimes you watch a documentary, like, man, I wish Louis Thore I made this, you know, it could have been good. You know what I mean? And I feel like you've, like, almost got a really good balance with that. I feel like you interject your personality just enough where it's like, it's really sments

that like I really wish abroad in Japan covered this, you know what I mean? I just feel, you know, with a good video, it should be entertaining and educational as a fine line to balance right. And that's the most important thing I always try and focus on. And that's what I found really interesting when I joined you for journey across Japan, right?

Because you brought up the whole thing of like, such quality content, strapping a pillow to a bicycle. When you said, when you told me before the whole thing started, they're like, yeah, I'm gonna try and release a video every day, And I thought back to your production quality, I'm like, good fucking lot. When I found out that you were editing your own videos for that, I was like,

is this guy insane? Wait, wait. Well, at a time, Joey met me one week, so I did a cycle across Japan. He was editing those videos and cycling. I did the cycling. Cycle across Japan for like two months. And yeah, I was cycling,

filming and editing it all at the same time because I'm a real control-freaking idiot. Even though I had like two people who are willing to edit with me on the journey in the car. Right, right, right, right. I was like, no, I do it. Don't right.

Yeah, because I remember after the first day, I sat with you in your hotel room as you were like starting to edit on the thing. And I'm just like, you gonna be able to get like sleep? No, my Chris. I think you stayed up to like, I did. We had to get up, I think the next day at like nine, eight or nine a.m.

It was really, really early. And fucking Chris had stayed up to like five a.m. What the fuck? He had gotten maybe like four hour sleep at most. And he's like, all right. All right guys, about to do a 15 kilometer cycle now. How many times did you do that on the trip? Most? A lot, yeah, most of the first.

Yeah, how the fuck did you write that bike? Well, what happened is? Originally, the videos came out like every day, then it was like every two days, then every four. By the end it was like once a month. It's like getting longer, longer, very stupid. I think you would burn yourself. That just sounds, that sounds like an absolute, like, fast track to burn out.

By the time Joey was there and Joey had left, I was, I was fucked. Oh, yeah, yeah. I saw, I saw what you saw, like the rapid decline. Like mental health. Yeah. You know what broke my heart is when, did you, was it with Emma that you recorded?

What's that, what did you do? Toki, do you record? Did you record a video with her that you, like, did you? Yeah, she came along for three days and we filmed it. It was an entire leg, right? And I was like, oh, hi, but that point, I've been cycling two months,

a thousand kilometers. Oh yeah, do you want to explain what Jordan Japan is just in case someone for some time? Yeah, jordan, across Japan, from Yamagata to Kagoshima, about 2,000 kilometers. The idea was to film every single day and make a video and show people,

bits of Japan you don't normally see. By the time Emma joined, he was the last guest in Kewshu. I was just dead. Yeah. Oh, look, it's Emma. I'm going to sleep now. And it was awful, you know. It's such a shame as well because Emma was such a personality, right?

It was a real shame. I feel guilty about that. I had to apologize to Emma yesterday when I met her the first time. Oh, really? Yeah, I was like, sorry about that. My heart broke, because I can only imagine, like, you must have been at your end of the row. I was in the end of everything.

Right? and like just having like that just unusable footage would just be like, all right, I'm done. It was a real shame. But at the end of the day, it was mostly a success. We had 28 episodes by the end. And the videos with Joey, it was interesting because in the second half of the journey

we went through like Kyoto, Osaka, Kobe, Hiroshima. And then Joey, when he joined, it was like, nothing. It was literally four episodes of jackshy. We know. In the first video, we filmed like the biggest nuclear power plant in the world. Yeah, that was what he did. And there was nothing.

So we had to improvise and make like commercials about energy jelly. Right. I remember watching that and I was like, man, what's what's going on here? I was really excited. The idea of taking a place

where there's nothing really going on. Right. And trying to infuse some sort of creative component. It was really fun. It was like a creative challenge because like... We didn't plan that though. We had challenges every day. On top of everything else,

so I had challenges every day. And the first, and Joey joined and the challenge was make a commercial in a day. 24 hours, yeah. And we're like, how the fuck. Are we gonna do that?

There's nothing here. So we quickly have to be really creative. We find a train station where there's a real train carriage. You can go in. And that was purely by chance, wasn't it? That was so lucky. That was so lucky. So lucky.

We had no idea that this station had just a fucking empty train carriage like as a thing. And we was like, perfect. And then the challenge, we had to be about energy jelly, right? So we had to, we already had that. That was the only thing we had to go on. And then we just somehow pulled it off in a day.

So it was really fun. It was like my favorite video from the trip. Yeah. So how did the idea of the, travel across Japan, like, come out. I was gonna ask exact same question. I was like, me and Connor on the same way, like, at what point was that like,

you like thought about it? At what point were you like, okay, I'm gonna actually start pursuing saying this up and then how did that all go about? I had been doing a documentary about my friend Natsky and that took like months to film and edit and I was editing. It's not my favorite video.

And I was a damn good video. Editing for like two or three months in a room just like, why am I doing this? And then by the end that was like, I need to go out, I need to do something. I'd always want to travel across Japan, my bicycle. and I thought, oh, this could be fun.

Yeah. And that's pretty much how it came about. And that was it, very much. This sounds like even like Casey Nice that couldn't keep to the schedule, you know what I mean? Oh yeah,

that's kind of wild. Yeah, that's, because like hearing that you still edit your own videos, do you still edit your own videos? I do, I do. And I enjoy that.

Like, for me, the least favorite part of making a video is the presenting aspect. Really? That's my favorite part I think, yeah. You guys are clearly,

like, really great presenters. You enjoy that, like for me, I do enjoy it. But like the bit that I enjoy is the filmmaking aspect. The latest video about why I hate Japanese TV, I had to learn how to use a blue screen

in a way that I'd never done before. Oh, okay. Superimpose myself into a miniature diorama. And I enjoy that. Every video is like a creative challenge. There's something new to be learned, something new to be discovered. Yeah.

I don't have the kind of personality to keep putting out like regular content. I think you do. I think you just, you just, oh, I think you have the personality for it. I think that maybe you just, you know, like I don't know, but I just enjoy that kind of.

Yeah, no, understandable. The filmmaking process, really. Whereas you guys probably like the kind of commentary aspect, right, discussing, debating things. Anime, you have so many topics. I think it's more, for us it's more just like, we get on camera, we make a fool of ourselves, our audience likes it and laughs at it, moving on to the next thing.

I felt like a huge, like, weight was lifted when I stopped editing my own videos. I felt like I actually had time, like time to start planning more. Because, you know, I'm uploading normally, like, you know, every five to six, like five or six days. Yeah, yeah. So it's like constant. And I think for me,

Gant talked me into getting an editor. No, I remember the exact conversation because it was like when I first, like went to Japan and met him and I was like, wait, you still edit your own videos? What the fuck you're doing? Like, you can, call? No, because like I had that same thing, right?

Whereas like, I actually like quite enjoyed editing and like kind of taking what I had filmed and like making something completely good about it. You still edit some of your own video. Yeah, yeah. I edit half of my videos. Yeah, I haven't edited a video on like two years. Yeah.

Because, well, I very much like, I still enjoy like editing my videos. and I think like every time I do go in edit my videos, it kind of like reinvigorates my love for like video making. Cause like as, as cool as it is to like hire Mudan, who is the editor for this podcast. MVP by the way. Like as much as Mudan is fucking amazing

at editing my videos, like there is like a little part that just can't be replaced no matter what. Oh no, no, no. I feel like it's a job that you can pay someone to do and it speeds up your process. And because the thing is right, I'm not an editor, right? If I hear someone whose main job is being an editor, they can do the job way better than I ever did

and get a huge way off my choice. But I feel like to me, a lot of your own personality can come through in the editing as well. That's true, this is true. Like for me, I still am very heavily involved in the editing of my own videos, but what I realized is that a lot of my time spent editing

is just like pure manpower. You know what I mean? It's like cutting up clips, just making the timeline usable. And then afterwards, there's that like 20 to 10% where you can really add your own personality. And what I did was like, let's see if I can work with an editor so you can take the workload off

without making me lose my own personality. Because that was my biggest concern when hiring an editor. It's like, is my personality still going to come through in the editing? I feel that's a weakness for me to some extent. I've never handled it. I did actually put out like an advert for editor on Twitter in January and I got like 500 people. I was like, well, I could do, but like, but then I was editing, I produced a documentary about the tsunami.

Right. A tsunami documentary about 20 minutes and that's something that I just didn't want to cut corners. I didn't want to have to describe it. I want to do it myself and dive in, you know. Yeah, yeah. And I think if I was, commentary videos typically kind of set in one location, right, whereas a lot of the videos I do are set over many different locations. That's true. That's true. The editing is much more intensive and much more complicated.

I mean, it definitely took me like a long time for me to finally, like, give something. someone the reins to like, and like at least with my videos, like I give my editor 100% creative freedom, but that's because not only do I know that my editor knows my shit and like my style, but also because I myself am personally a fan of that person's work.

And I see that person's work, like I remember how I found like mood on my editor was like he had his own YouTube channel and I was like, this guy's fucking amazing. Yeah, he's amazing. And like his sense of humor is exactly the same as mine. That was like the biggest thing is finding an editor with a sense of humor. Like, because if you do comedy,

you need someone who's timing. And also one big thing in at least my videos is that, especially like the host club, if I'd have edited that, I'd have cut out so much of the cringy stuff, right? Because I see me. If I'm editing- You wanna show the best of yourself, right?

Right, but he'll leave that shit in and then I'll be like, all right, I look like an idiot, but it's funny, right? Like I look like a fool, but okay. It's nice to get like a second opinion on that kind of content because it's like, oh, actually, now that you did leave it in, it is actually kind of funny.

And like I would have otherwise cut it out myself, right? I mean, Chris, your videos tend to be really, like, well produced, as we've discussed. But I'm wondering, like, do you ever, like, scrap any videos that you've, like, filmed out, like, in areas? I'm really interested. Because I feel like you're a perfectionist almost, dare I say, you know. I've filmed entire videos, then be like, nope, and deleted it. Really? I had a video, and I've had videos I've made and gone, that's, it just doesn't do well, and I listed it.

Like, I did a video one Japanese mascots, wacky mascot characters. Oh, so you uploaded it. and then took it down. It got 200,000 views, which is like, it's a lot of ease, but by the channel, it was like half. And I felt like something was wrong or people didn't watch it. I don't know. I was like, that's not good enough.

Really? So you just took it down? Yeah, I listed it. Oh, my God. I could never do that. I was specifically remember that video and I'm like, oh, this is a little different from this. I think I remember this. I think you were saying on Twitter, right?

This was like not too long ago. I think you could just see the desperation in my eyes. And I filmed that at a very bad time, like the Fukushima documentary that I put a month into it bombed. And then I had the mascot video. And I was. not happy and I wasn't funny and that bomb. And I was like, I'm fucked, my YouTube career's done.

It's always like that, it's always like that. Two or three bad videos in a row, you're like, oh no. Yeah, yeah, yeah, I've had this conversation with Connor where you know the tool where they show you, when you upload a video and it shows you the ranking based on the last 10 uploads that's done? You guys watch this, won't know, but YouTube makes you feel like shit.

If your video does bad, the analytics to like your video is rubbish. And like it goes all color red and it's like some arrows pointing down. It's not even red, it's gray. You know what I mean? No, it's gray if it's BGioka. It's red if it's bad.

Oh, okay. And you feel dead inside. Yeah. That's the show you never have like an hour. Yeah. No, no, because because I like, I just stop checking it. Like I, I, I, I, because I realize

there is basically no winning when it comes to checking this tool, right? Because if, okay, the only time you feel good if it's like number one or two or three. I feel good, I feel content. No, no, yeah, you feel like, And if it's average, if you feel like, oh, nice. Okay, it's going to the point out with me

where it's like the last, my last video, as of the morning of this video, is like number four. Yeah. And usually it's like, oh, cool, it's in the top half, right? Yeah, yeah. When I saw number four, I was like, it could have done better. So like, so like, it just fucks with, like, it just fucked with my mental health so much.

Yeah, yeah, yeah, it does do that there. No, it really does. And that's why, like, I just had to stop checking, because I'm like, no matter what, I come out losing 90% of the, I remember when I was like fucking obsessed with the analytics, right? I think every YouTube goes to that point

where they just like constantly walk through with the analytics and they just see like the most minor of changes and they're like, oh man, this didn't do as well, this didn't do as well. And then the moment where I'm just like, you know what? Fuck it, I'm just gonna upload a video,

fuck the analytics. As long as it's like, as long as I'm happy with it, fuck it. I do find my mood is determined by how well or how, you know, how a video's done. Yeah, so it gets really well that I'm like, oh, and this is because I do spend, you know, two weeks sometimes.

Yeah, yeah, yeah. I guess the stakes are higher with you. The stakes are higher because I make less videos. It has to perform well. It has to be good. And so if it does well, I'm like, yes, I'm in a good mood until the next video. In that sense, I feel that, like, you and Gant are probably a lot more similar.

Because, like, my upload schedule is like one every two weeks. If that sometimes, you know, like, I just went with a month of not uploading and that, like, killed me. I'm in that position right now. As of filming, I haven't released the video in about one month. Yeah. I've been working on it for two weeks, on and off, trying to make it perfect.

And you're like, if this video is not a banger, if it doesn't hit, then I've just taken a month off and I've got nothing to show for it. Absolutely. And I feel that way, so it has to perform well. So if you're watching this, please go watch my video. Hit the microphone.

We'll link to it. We'll have it in the car. At least do something nice. Like, yeah, I feel that pressure, though. By doing, you know, that sort of approach, you have to make sure every video delivers. Yeah. That's why I'm so scared to, like,

go to, like, an upload schedule of, like, you guys or like, you know, like if with John Tron or something like that where it's like once a month or like once every couple of months because I'm just so afraid of like, like the situation of like, oh, what if I upload a video? Yeah.

A month in between and it just fucking bombs. I mean, I feel like when I'm reached Japan, that's what I'm just trying to like get towards, like trying to get towards those big videos at the host club. Right, yeah, yeah. But those videos take so long. Right.

Yeah, they do. But it was like a scary transition for me because I've used to upload daily. I don't know how anyone uploads daily. Honestly. I think you have to be a psychopath. My first three years, I uploaded daily.

I can see how you could kind of do that when you're like back in university or something. You know what I mean? Gaming as well. Yeah, yeah, yeah. I think gaming in between. So that was fucking easy, right? But like, what, play a game, seven parts, done for the week.

Yeah, like, it got to the point where I realized I was doing more gaming videos than actual anime content. I'm like, okay, that needs to change. And so I just scrapped all gaming content. And then I went from like a video daily to like once every two days, once every three days. Now I'm like once every week essentially, once every six days or so.

And I feel okay now because I've like gradually put myself in that state. But I guarantee that if I went from this current schedule of like once a week to like once a month, I'd be shitting myself. Absolutely. But like did you guys feel really bad having to keep your schedule?

Because that stresses me out. Like if like knowing I have to upload on a certain time, Like that's, that's, sometimes I, I hate having a deadline. Like that, because that fucks with like, because I have to think, oh, do I have the creative freedom to try and do something else? You know what I mean? I mean, this month I've been working on a video

why I hate Japanese TV. Yeah. Yeah, I've, I've almost finished it. And I think, wait a minute, I want to do one more scene. No. Oh! That's what I mean, I've been wanting to do this video for years, right?

Okay, okay. I've wanted to do a Japanese TV video for years. So this is a special event for me. Yeah. My catalyst for doing it was, Do you remember on Japanese TV recently there was a clip of someone going, Kaluapenda? Yeah, yeah, yeah.

This is a pen. And they did a comparison. They had a Japanese lady with a tissue in front of her face going, Kaluapendez, and the tissue didn't move because the Japanese language is so eloquent and beautiful. And then she spoke in crew, disgusting virus spreading English. This is a pen. The tissue went like that, and the spit went everywhere, the virus went everywhere. It was conclusive evidence, the English language.

That's why the virus is more viral. It wasn't an absence of mass testing or the widespread use of masks. It was Korean-penned-esque, British people, Americans speaking in bloody English. Because I made a sarcastic tweet after I saw that clip on Twitter, where I retweet it and said like, oh yes, because every foreigner in Japan goes around asking what a pen is.

Yeah, exactly, right? Speak for yourself, Joey, speak yourself. Is this a pen? What is that a pen? Is that a pen? So that was like, okay, I'm doing this video now. I've wanted it for years. I'm doing it now.

That is the catalyst. So that was my main driver to do a video on why I hate Japanese TV and talk about my experiences being on TV. It's such a shame for me as well because I, like, I said in episode three that like, you know, a lot of my Japanese and my appreciation for Japanese culture and the Japanese language came from Japanese TV. Like, if I wasn't watching anime, I was watching, you know.

Takeshi's Castle. Yeah, Takeshi's Castle. We love that. We love that we talked about it last time, yeah. Variety shows and like as I got older and like into my high school years, I watch a lot of like talk shows because I was just genuinely interested

in how talk shows work and I started like growing appreciation for that. But then that entire illusion just got completely shattered the moment I went onto one of those shows and I realized just how fucking fake that shit is. I feel like in general, they're pretty, very open about just like, kind of like softly anti-foreign,

Like not saying bad things about foreigners, but just like, you know, just like. Yeah, no, you're right. Like they like, they like to like, oh, just say, they did you say pen rather loudly? I don't wanna, I'm a hard, yeah. That's how it did this, right? It's never direct.

It's just like, we're not saying there's any difference, but they just happened to say the P sound. Did you leave out? There's undertone. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. Nationalist exceptionalism on that. Right, yeah, yeah. I actually did script a segment on that

and I was like, I don't wanna open that Pandora's gullas. Oh, sorry. That's like, nationalist exceptions. I know what you mean. You don't want to get into that. And I, you know, I scripted that and I talked about,

I was like, I want to keep it funny and on point and that is a dark turn. Yeah. You get to want to ask that segment out. It's an uncomfortable topic, right? People don't like that. It is, yeah.

Yeah, there absolutely is there. You know, like Japan is special, right? Japan is better. They kind of hint at that in the rhetoric of Japanese television. And, but it was like, no, I don't want to open this box of shit. Yeah.

It's all worth it. You know, I don't want to go down the whole. Oh, so you hate Japan, you know? Yeah, exactly. Yeah, I'm a bit scared of this video because I think this is the first time I've been critical to some extent about Japanese culture

and that's something you just don't do. Because why are you here? Why do you like it? Leave. Yeah. Don't like it. Leave, down. Do you find like that you can't really be

openly critical about Japan on your channel then? I can. No, I can. But I feel like I don't have that many criticism. The thing is I have had a very positive experience in Japan. I've never felt,

I've suffered any racism in my daily life here in eight years. If I had some openly racist, unpleasant experience, make no mistake, I would comment on that and I'd make a view about that. And I've been very lucky. And my timing has been very positive. So, yeah, I mean, I really don't have much to draw from in terms of bad experiences. If I did, though, I would be the first to comment on that.

Because we all know there are a lot of J-Vloggers were, like, very quick to, like, make a video on, like, the whole, like, xenophobic, like, oh, I experienced a racist thing. Right. Yeah. Sometimes I kind of wish that they would show some restraint when they do because sometimes you watch it and it's like, that wasn't really like worth talking about.

Like, you know what I mean? It was like funny in the supermarket. Well, I mean on the train here, it was like the busiest train ever, but the sick next one was empty. That's how it is. Is that racism? Yeah.

Debate. I've noticed that. Just start coughing if you want to see real fast. It's rush hour. I'm sorry, I can't take any chances. There's things like that. I've never felt like uncomfortable to something. No, no, same.

No, same, you know. Which is rare, right, because you live in, you don't live in Tokyo. I don't live in Tokyo. I live in North Japan. And I've traveled Japan extensively, like, so much. And I've very, I honestly can't think of an experience where someone has been openly racist towards me or done something which made me feel uncomfortable. But I've kept an eye out for it, make no mistake. Free content.

I want that content. But people miss me going, who's Japan racist, you know, what am I going to expect? And those bars where foreigners aren't welcome, they're few and far between. They're often in tourist areas where there's a bar that has regular customers and they probably just don't want foreign customers coming in because they can't communicate in. They don't have that respect.

Hitting on that point, I watched a video of yours again last night. Again, I went, I did a deep dive in your channel. I really, I wanted to be prepared. You are so good at that. You went really deep in your research. I did, I did. In 2018 of October, you uploaded the video where you were like, how long will I live in Japan for?

And in that video, you were like, maybe like another three years. We're getting close to that point, Chris, and I was wondering, like, what are your thoughts about that now? Oh, yeah. Or is this going to be something you discuss in a video in future? No, there's no, again, there's still no plans, to be honest.

Like, before I leave, the one thing I always want to do is to film a short film, to make a film, actual, like, yeah, yeah, I think you could bet if you pull it off. And everything, well, everything I've been doing all these years has been building up to that moment. And recently, in my free time, I've been studying cinematography and stuff. And that is the one thing I want to do.

So I feel like, once I've done that, maybe. Maybe, right. Well, if you did ever leave Japan, how do you think, like, I mean, how would affect your channel, right? It's a broad in the UK. Yeah, it would just be abroad. Do you almost feel at times that like maybe you're like,

not to say like hostage to Japan, but like you're kind of like, you're like, well, my job is Japan. Like, can I leave? To some extent, not really. No, okay. You think so, but not necessarily, no. Yeah, I mean, my channel is, let's face it,

the reason the channel's so successful is because most of my viewers are interested in Japan. Right, right, right. And I'm fine with that. I do have a second channel called a broad perspective. Right, right. Clever. Maybe you've got a lot of videos where you just,

just chat shit to the comments that you get, right? And it's fantastic, right? And they clearly have the charisma. Oh, they're replying to hate comments video? Yeah, no, you have a lot of comments where you, a lot of videos where you just, you know, reply to comments and those get just as many views sometimes as your maybe.

So I feel like, you know, even if you did leave, you could easily transition to something. Yeah, I mean, I do think if I had to leave Japan, God forbid, there would be a future, I would be able to do something. That's good, yeah. go to pivot and create a channel that's focused on comedy or commentating or something. But really,

I've always seen my YouTube channel as a YouTube channel and also a stepping stone as, stepping stone to getting into the film industry and doing something in the world of film. So is that like your ultimate goal after YouTube? That is my ultimate goal. And 2020 is supposed to be, was supposed to be the year that I did that. Oh, okay. Wow.

It's kind of been a bit delayed. Even what's going on. These things move slowly, right? Yeah. So you have like no interest in like, like staying for the foreseeable future. Like, I think I'll be here at least another three years. Yeah, I don't have it like, it's time to go now and go,

like I have to leave Japan, like, there's no problem. I did say three years. More realistically, I, you know, I'll probably be here permanently another few years. Maybe I'll transition to the UK and I'll come back to Japan. Could you see yourself like if you did stay in Japan, like eventually, like you've done so much content in and around Japan?

Could you ever see yourself at a point where it's like, I've literally run out of every idea that I can think of that's like interesting enough in Japan. Because, you know, like, as diverse and as like interesting as all sorts of rural places in Japan are, if you cover also all the interesting stuff, eventually you'd think you're gonna run out, right? So like, could you ever see yourself, like, getting to that point?

Or would you probably bail before that happens? It's a good question. People ask that a lot, like, oh, you're fed up of covering Japan. And I think there's always a new angle, a new story to be found. Like recently I've been working on a series about, business owners in Japan. So I've made a series about a guy that owns a sushi restaurant and what's it like.

And he's a good friend of mine in Sendai. He owns the biggest sushi restaurant. Shane in Sendai. I've got another friend who owns a Wagyu restaurant. I've been chatting with him and we're going to make a video on that. So focusing on people is another option, right? I've never really done that. And it's something I've always wanted to do.

So focusing on different people. So I always think there's another angle. There's another story to be told. I don't think, you know, I've got 20, 30, 40 ideas, the back of my mind or written down a document that I can go with. So there's no absence of content. Yeah, because I feel like as a YouTuber, especially if you're on the platform for like a very long time,

you eventually have to think about evolving your content, right? Right, right. Because like anyone, like, if you pay attention to the world of YouTube, anyone who's successful in here or has been for a very long time, their content has to like slowly change over time or you have to try to explore new things. And I feel like one of the biggest challenges is trying to figure out what you can kind of get away with, right?

Because what I fear most is getting pigeonholed into like one type of content. I mean, I love anime, right? But like have you ever felt like you wanted to make content outside of anime or like something that's not about Japan itself? I mean, that's like what this podcast is for. I can finally talk about shit. That's not like specifically about anime or whatever, right? Because I do have so many other like interesting like things that I do want to talk about. I love anime, don't get me wrong,

but I also like a lot of other things and unfortunately, I can't really talk about that kind of stuff without it being very unnatural. Well, she love. I mean, I like, what do you love? Meaning of life. You know, I'm like, before anime, like I was in like four different bands.

Yeah, you make a lot of music. I make a lot of music like on the sidelines. So like I've always been very passionate about music. I've always wanted to like talk about music. And I did that a little bit on my second channel but obviously didn't really pop off all that much, right? It's time to make a new channel, Joey's song.

Joey's song. The music man. Just the one song, man. The music man. That's a comment I got a lot. It's like, if you talk, like, I had a bunch of my audience, which is like, if you ever like start talking about music,

you just call the music man. And I was that close to making it into another hole. Yeah, I was that close to making a channel called the music man. And like the one? The only, the one's gonna be the one. It's a genius of your brand.

You just have to be the man. and then something in between. Yeah, exactly. And a one. And a one. As long as there's a one in there somewhere. Yeah. I mean, you have to bear in mind,

I was literally doing like Sebastian. My whole channel was impersonating a black, a character with a black button. I'm honestly surprised you managed to escape that pigeonhole. I don't know how I did it. I remember so many tries. I remember so many videos that I did want, that weren't that failed.

But I was like, no. I know this is good. Yeah. Gonna make it work. And then like, well, like five years later I'm making host club videos. They're pulling way more. You know what I mean?

Like it's, you have to be persistent And it's hard because you're gonna get discouraged. No, it is. It isn't normal, or people are used to. Because people don't like what, you know, they aren't comfortable with. And the thing is, if you, I'm sure you guys will all have this. So you've asked your viewers for suggestions.

That never works. They give you, they're like, do the same thing again, but slightly different, please. Oh yeah, look. And it's just like, all right, well, you clearly don't know what you want. Yeah, it's like, they don't know what they want, a lot of the times.

Yeah, and you just have to be like, I, like you said, right, you found a story, you found the people to talk about. You're like, maybe people wouldn't click on, you know, when you started, why would someone click on Natky the documentary, right? Exactly, yeah.

But you've built it up to the point where, okay, people trust you and they understand that you go into that kind of thing. I think that's the end game with any successful YouTube channel is to build it around your personality decisions. That's true. That's something I learned very quickly on. Yeah.

I spent years getting out of. Yeah. And I think you've done an amazing job at doing that. I mean, I watched Natski the documentary and I don't know, like, if you'd have pitched that to me before I watched your channel, I'd have been like, yeah, no, I'm okay. I don't know.

Yeah, I was like, I was like, I don't know Sid Vicious's grave was in New York. That whole lot of Thomas was amazing. It's so funny. I was like, okay, very good stangent. But yeah, I mean, it's that kind of evolution that you really like strive for, right? That you hope you can make an hour documentary

on your mate who's just fucking around in Europe. Folling over in a wind tunnel. Right, right. That's like, and that's a, I think that's a, like a testament to how well you've built your, you and your brand, right? And that's the, I mean, yeah, that's the end game.

You want to build it around yourself, you want to build it around your friends, and find the right people to put in front of the camera, like that ski. Exactly. He's ridiculous, but yeah. You can tell you're careful with it. Like, I feel like you're not just like,

I mean, I'm sure if there's people around you and you're happy to film, you put them on, but it seems very like selective the way you, who you show and how you show them on screen. I don't know if you think about that much, but he's funny, he's funny. I mean, I've been asking for and like. Are you very like selective about what you show?

Well, you have to do with that ski. That's like, so much ridiculous stuff. Oh, shit, okay. for where. What was his nickname for me again? It was jelly, right? We did an event last year after journey across Japan, after the cycle where all the guests came to one room in Shibuya.

And Joey was like, oh, it's jelly. And he thought Joey's name was genuinely jelly. Yeah. Because he's seen Dr. Jelly and just thought, oh, maybe because his name's Jelly. Yeah. And he didn't understand. He didn't understand it was a pun because of the jelly and everything. I just thought, oh, it's jelly.

Yeah. It's jelly, isn't it? And that should be your new name. Jelly. It's not on your channel. Jelly, the anime, man. That's the new podcasting name for Jerry. Is Natzky genuine like a really good mate in real life?

You guys hold him out? Yeah, he's like, well, okay, okay, yeah. I mean, that comes off that way, definitely. Yeah, that's what I thought. I was like, I've been shocked if you're like, nah, we're just fucking fuck up. I hire him. He's a good lad, yeah.

Those genuine relationships are really important. And yeah, that's the best bit, you know. It's been really fun as well, taking Natzky along for the ride as a guy that lives randomly in this kind of backwater of Japan that no one knows about. and then he's been thrust into the global, just thrust into the world of the internet

with millions of views. It's kind of been quite interesting, living vicariously through his experience. I feel like we've all done a pretty good job in building our own personal brands. I mean, I'm sure if we look at our content like five years ago, it's completely different to what we're doing now.

I mean, I mean, the fact that we can make a podcast like this and people are happy to tune in when it's completely different to our normal stuff, I mean, I remember when I stopped having to do, like, anime reviews. It was like, a conscious choice. There's, there was a point when I just, I, I, I kind of realized that

anime reviews just didn't really have a future on YouTube. Like, remember the, back in a day where, like, anime content was just reviewing anime shows and you needed to give it a score. Oh, yeah, yeah. It was, you remember, right? You remember. You remember. You remember. I got it. Satoshi Khan, one out of ten. Yeah. But, like, it was really scary just to, like, have to, like, stop doing that. Because when you do new content and all your audience is like, why aren't you doing this kind of old content anymore? You kind of like, you kind of just have to trust yourself that you know the best direction

for your channel, even if a lot of your audience is like, yeah, I miss you for that old stuff. I think I kind of got blessed in that aspect because I came into the YouTube world when the reviewing scene was slowly dying. Because like when you were around back in late before 2010, that was anime content. Like all of anime content was like if you're not making a review on a certain show, it's not anime content. Again, this is like what I said earlier, right? It's like people just don't think outside the box. Right. Yeah, yeah, yeah. And they think that's all I can do.

Because like I would watch those like kinds of reviews and I'm like, I could very much do that. But I knew that like I wasn't gonna be as good as like gig or like some other like OGs in the community. So I'm like, okay, I've gotta come in with like a different twist. Yeah. And I think in terms of like my inspirations for like my early content, I definitely took inspiration from like just general vloggers like Ryan Higa

or like you know, smash back in the day. Yeah, we were just like fucking turn on the camera and they would just talk about whatever the fuck was on their mind. Yeah. And like, I don't know, like, cause like my first video was, wasn't even an anime review, weird enough.

It was just like, I was fucking complaining about the dub of Samurai Champlain. That was my fucking, that was my first review. It was like sub versus dub, which is better. So I really came out the gate with like, the most controversial shit. Yeah, it's a good dub. What do you mean?

What the fuck? Yeah, yeah. We're not getting into that. But in that video, but in that video, I trashed it. Because I was like, no, I didn't like dub whatsoever. But like, I think like, Chris knows. Yeah, yeah, right, too.

Sammo. Yeah, yeah. But like, bottom line is like, I would look at these anime reviews and I really enjoyed them because I was like, I would genuinely get like good recommendations. Did you guys watch each other back then? Because you'd have been going back at the same time. Yeah, kind of.

Yes and no. Yes and no. So when, they were like, no, I don't watch. Yeah, so here, okay, this actually transitions nicely to the next question then. The next topic I think we can talk about, which is, so I took two years off YouTube, right? BBC, right?

Yeah, I worked at the BBC. Oh shit. Wow, I did this research. You know you're at the wikia page. Oh, damn. But you told me about Gant, we talked about like years ago. What did I say?

This fucking gun. But no, like, yeah, I had, because I had the point when I needed to make the decision, okay, because I did YouTube when I was 17 and then I did it throughout uni, basically. I graduated and I was like, okay, do I pursue this as a job?

or do I, do I do I do a normal job and do a nine to five job? And I remember when I finished uni, like it was unheard of to basically make money of anime content, you know what I mean? Anime was like, I was at the top of basically like the anti-tube sphere at that point and I had like barely 100,000 subscribers.

Yeah, yeah, yeah. And like I wasn't monetized. Really? Yeah, yeah, yeah. Wow. What was this, 2007? This was like, 2011.

No, because monetization back then was like a really, yeah, it was like a really new thing. And me being an anti-tuber, like who the fuck gets monetized on YouTube for anime, right? So it was like, I had basically no revenue streams that I could basically point to because I saw, you know, vloggers and other people making money, but I was like, I have nowhere near the numbers

that are that are capable of generating income. So I made the conscious, to like just quit YouTube and do a full-time job. And in that time, Jerry rose up so quickly. Bastardy. So quickly. This man. And I'm like, holy, what the fuck? He's getting over like 500K viewers.

What the subscribers? What is this? What is this world? It's his swanky hair. It's like bird nest of the hair. Yeah. I know he's knew he'd promote protein. He was made for it. He's got a face for protein.

Jelly. And basically it was in that two years, got on, yeah. Get old jelly. And basically it was in that two years, or like two and a half years that I was gone, that I already saw an audience in the anime sphere that I never had seen before.

And I was like, holy shit, maybe I could make something out of this. And I remember it was Sydney that actually convinced me to be like, gone, just shut up, you've been talking about this for too fucking long, quit your job and just do YouTube, okay? And I was like, fine. I was like, I'll give it a go. But you went from a good job at the BBC

to doing anime. That's quite a big leap, right? Most of the most people aren't in that position where they've got a good job and then they moved down. I mean, did you enjoy your job at the BBC? No. I was going to quit either way. So the reason was I was like looking for a new job anyway.

So I was like, this is the perfect chance to do something risky with my life. And basically, because I had this thing on YouTube ages ago, like I didn't even know if anyone still watched me or whatever. So it was nerve-wracking coming back to YouTube, right? Oh, yeah. I went to the,

the, you know, like I said, like the top of the, the anti-tube game, which wasn't really that big looking back, but it was still like gone from that to almost completely irrelevance. So I didn't know if anyone still remembered me or anything like that. Two years is a long fucking time in YouTube terms. And so it was so fucking nerve-wracking having to choose to come back to YouTube. I remember the conversation with my parents when I said, I'm going to quit the BBC and do YouTube to talk about anime.

they were not happy. They were not happy at all. They tried everything to convince me to like, okay, you want to quit the BBC? That's fine, we understand. Just find another job, please. The degree gone. It's good news, come up.

And basically the only way I was able to convince them was I had, like, I made the decision like half a year before. So I had saved up all this money. In that time, I'd done nothing. Didn't really go out or do anything. I just put it all into my savings. I'm like, look,

mom and dad, I've got all this money in my savings, just let me do this for half a year. If it doesn't work out, I will quit YouTube straight away. I remember the video when you came back because it was pretty big news in the amateur world where it's like giga, who's like super OG in the energy community, everybody knows who he is, even with the two year break.

He's coming back, right? Like when that happened and your video where you were like, I'm gonna do YouTube for a year and if it doesn't work out during that time, I'm disappearing again. I remember you said that in your video. And people are like, well, we don't want him to disappear. So fuck it, like let's give him this attention.

And sure enough, there you are. Now you're, that's a great me. Number one. You're like, I'm over the age of the girl. I'm deleting all of them if you don't support me directly through a direct deposit to this account. Because like the biggest thing that made me, that allowed me to come back to YouTube was Patreon.

Did you guys experience the same thing where when Patreon first launched, it was like, if you had a Patreon, you're like the devil. Like, I can't believe you are trying to make money off YouTube. That's why it took me so long to launch a Patreon. Yeah, I was late to it as well. I had the idea in 2015, but I didn't do it until 2016. Yeah.

And now it's become an accepted thing. And I, you know, I pay, born Japan has, pays a heavy debt to Patreon and the folks that support the channel. Oh, same. Yeah, yeah. It's enabled me to not just think, I need to put out videos every day. I need to, like, I can actually think creatively still. I don't have to put Squarespace in every video or audible.

I can turn those down and focus on doing what I enjoy doing. Yeah, yeah. And I think it's a great model. It is. It is. It is. It is. believe in you and do something with it.

Yeah, because like I, it's, it would be impossible for so many people to do what they do, including me when I started without a Patreon. And it just, it just changed the game so much in terms of people who could do YouTube for a job, which is, leads me on to my next question is like,

when did you guys realize or made the decision to be like, this is going to be my job? This is the guy, gonna be my livelihood. Well, for me, when I was teaching English, I did YouTube as a side hobby, right? And in about the second year, I had about 20, 30,000 subscribers,

which I was like, wow, it's a lot of people. But I said to myself, look, I'll consider doing it full time if I hit 100,000. Because I think from 100,000 you've got a strong support base there to actually build up from. And so that was the turning point for me, 100,000. But I didn't make much money from it. And I had to take out a bank loan of like, I think it must have been like 10,000. Oh, really? I was like, this is it.

It's like, make or break. Wow. Damn. And, yeah. So I had to pay that off. But that worked because I was able to create content, that created ad revenue from those videos. I built up more subscribers.

From those subscribers, I was able to launch Patreon. You have to invest in the channel. So there was a strategy there, underpinning it all. And that's how the channels worked, really. Did you get any pushback from any, like, family or friends when they find out you're going to, like,

you know, stay in Japan and keep doing YouTube? No. No, no. My family has been pretty sportive. And also, they just don't mind. They just, they've been like, you have to do this. You know, my British parents are kind of,

just like, you don't have Asian parents. Telling to an Asian parent after your, after their son has just gone through four years of university to get a master's degree and then get a job at the BBC, that they're gonna quit that to talk about anime tiddies. If you were my son, I would be angry. Like, I remember my dad just telling me, I can't believe you're just like wasting four years in my life.

I can't believe you done this. I was, because I was doing, I was my third year of uni and I fucking hated it. And I was really like, I didn't enjoy uni. And I, I, I, but it was because I, at that point, I had really found like voice over and I had found a bit, I was dabbling in YouTube and I really felt like, for what first time of my life,

I found something that I enjoyed doing, right? And I was terrified to tell my parents. I was like, oh my God, like, because I was gonna do a master's in engineering. Yeah. But I was like, all right, I'll just do the bachelor's in my head and I'll get out. But I was terrified to time.

my parents because my brother, he absolutely killed it. He was the model son, right? When did engineering, did Aaron Orthol Engineering, went into an amazing job and he's doing great, right? Perfect British son, right? Yeah, the track and I was like, I kinda wanna just fuck around in London and make videos, you know, like do some commercials and stuff

and to their support, they were like, okay, we'll see. I guess that's the pressure that comes with not being the first born, right? Yeah, I mean, yeah, true. I think my parents said, they haven't said this, but they were like, if he fucks up, he'll deal with it, right? Yeah. We'll help him out, right? But if, you know, we'll let him do it.

We'll let him fuck around. He's 21, I think. I was, no one. I think my family didn't even believe I was moving to Japan. I was like, I was like, I'm gonna go you to Japan. Yeah, sure you are. And then like, a week out, I'm off to Japan next. Okay.

I was like, literally a Heathrow airport. I'm going to get the Virgin Atlantic flight now. They're like, yeah, sure you are. And I'm in Japan, they're like, oh, yeah. They just didn't believe what was happening. Because they were like, this is so weird, why is he moving to Japan? Yeah, what do your parents say about that?

They're just like, oh, all right, well, good luck with that. How old are you when you moved to Japan? I was 22. Wow, okay. It's just after university. You were same age as me then. Same age, yeah, yeah.

And they were just like, oh, nice. Have a little, son. Yeah, I'll be at the pub when you're back. No, what about you, Joey? Because, I mean, you're, you are doing YouTube videos throughout university as well.

I mean, I started in my first year of uni and then thank God in my third year of uni, I went from like 50K to like half a mill. Oh, so you can you see. That was like fuck you money to like. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. So basically, you know. My God, that must have been the best uni experience

I could ever think of. I would be getting like 400 pounds of ad rev and I was like, yeah guys. I'm gonna buy this right. That's like 12 instant raw. No, it was like, cause you know, it's like one pound show. You're like five shots, boys, I got this.

I got this, I got this, man. I was like, really? Because in uni, it's like, it's like, 30 quid for a night, I was like, yeah, that's a price, isn't it? Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. It's like, my loan's not gonna pay for this. Where the fuck you get your money from? I mean, at least for me, like, it wasn't so much,

like, the aspect of like, oh, do you have enough money, where it's more like, you know, because I have family here and I've spent like, literally half my life here, my parents knew just from how much I loved and respected Japanese culture and the language that I was going to move here eventually. And I was, like, if YouTube never, like, went off for me, I was gonna move here and do some kind of fucking IT job here, right?

Yeah. Because I even, like, I even interned at an IT job here when I had like 30,000 subs or something. Yeah. So like, and during that intern as well, every day, I would like just be like, oh, do you wanna go out for a drink intern? And I'm like, no thanks. I gotta record a YouTube video. And I would do that.

Like I would go back to my cousin's place. I was staying at my cousin's place at the time and I would fucking come back and fucking record a YouTube video. Because I knew that like if I kept going with this shit, it was eventually gonna lead somewhere. And thank God it did. So by the time I graduated uni, my parents knew. Like it wasn't a secret to my parents that I was doing YouTube.

And they were like, you know, silently following me on my whole YouTube thing. So they saw like how much I blew up in my last year of uni. where when I said to them, hey, I'm thinking he moved to Japan to be a YouTuber. My parents are just like, yeah, I mean, it seems like you're making enough money, you're fucking going for it.

And like, I made a promise to my mom. She's like, because typical Asian parents, she's like, okay, I see you're being super successful and you're probably making more money than most uni graduates right now. I'll make you a deal. If you're able to continue this by the time you're 24 years old,

then I'll let you do it for the foreseeable future. But if not, you do it. Yeah, yeah, yeah. drag you her. Like, but if not, but if not, you have to go and get a real job at the age 24. And I'm almost 26 now, still doing a baby.

Because the biggest thing I had to like explain to my parents on, but the biggest thing my parents worried about was like the concept of being a YouTuber as a career. Yeah, right? As opposed to be like, okay, you're making money, you know, you can keep it. But like, when I quit my job, I was like, uh, how old was like, fuck?

I was like 25-ish, 20, I can't remember exactly when I came back. I'm sure someone in the YouTube comments were no, but it was like, you know, I was in my mid-20s and like the concept of quitting my career job to do a YouTube thing, even if I was making money, was just so alien and even to me, like I didn't even know if YouTube could be a career that I could do for years down the line.

Like has that been ever like a worry for you guys? Like how long you can basically do this for? I've always thought to myself, because it's really hard with YouTube, right? Because as of right now, there is no previous example of someone being able to do this for like 50 years. Right, it's not like every other entertainment industry, like the movie industry or the music industry,

where there are examples of people who have been able to do it their entire career from like the 20s to their 70s. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Because YouTube is like, what, not even 15 years old at this point. We don't know if it's gonna be the next TV or if it's just a fad. Yeah. Right. Get ready for tech talk. Yeah.

Right? We're last year, last year's new. You never know, honestly. So like, that's what's like the scariest thing about and I think that's why I have slowly come to the realization that like I can't put all my eggs into the YouTube basket. You really don't know if it's one day it's just gonna fucking disappear.

Yeah. Right. Do you have a plan or anything if YouTube fell through? Do you have like a backup for what you might do? I mean, I guess for you would be the film industry, right? Right. I mean, sure. That will teach English again. Yeah. Back to teaching Japanese students how to pronounce the words.

Salon. Seven children. Saban, repeat after me, Salon. I'd say pen without pronoun saying the pee. This is a pen. No, no, no. Teaching a high school achiever.

That's my backup plan. No, my backup plan. Yeah, it's just like... I don't have thought about it. I believe that it'll be all right. Yeah, yeah. I think YouTube will be okay. YouTube, we've talked about the turmoil of YouTube,

how dodgy it is, but at the end of the day, YouTube is fairly stable and it is fairly okay. Yeah. It's more sustainable than I think YouTubers like to me. make out. It is. It is. We like to play devil's advocate a lot. Definitely. And I've got a podcast I do as well. Occasionally I do sponsors stuff. I've got patrons. So I have lots of different avenues. Yeah, of course. If YouTube falls, then hopefully I can bounce back somehow. Yeah.

Make my transition to the film. But that's why I do, moving to film, moving to TV, doing something like that. Yeah. As a backup. But at the end of the day, really, YouTube will always be for the foreseeable future, hopefully 10 years. That's my main bread and butter. That's what I do. That's what I enjoy doing. The way I see it as well as like, you know, it's not often you get an opportunity like this in like your life. No, even if it did fall through, so fucking what?

I had a good time. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Even if you were like a millionaire, if you were worth 500 million dollars, Connett, you'd probably still do what you do now. Yeah, yeah, yeah, it's what I love to do. You don't do it for the money, you do it because you actually enjoy commentating,

you enjoy the creativity, enjoy the fun. And I'm sure that's saying to you guys, right? Yeah, yeah, I love the creative aspects for it. Like, I went through four years of engineering to realize I don't, I don't want to do engineering. You know what I mean? I feel like that's engineering in the last time.

You do three years of engineering to realize, I don't think I like engineering. Like I do, I remember, I was distinctly, I remember this. I was in my dissertation, my final dissertation, and I did some electrical engineering for it, and I was like, I think I like electrical engineering more than what I was like, fuck. It was like, kind of like, shit,

I'm doing mechanical for three years. Did you have a diploma or? Did I have a diploma? Diploma. Diploma. a bachelor or something like special boy studies. Now I did business and English linguistics. Oh, okay.

Yes. Oh, wow. I did a bachelor's three years. But I feel like that is a litmus test, right? If you had like a billion dollars, right? Yeah. You still will probably want to do what you do now, right? Oh, yeah, definitely.

You still want to probably live in Japan, experience the country and entertain people. And that is the main thing, right? That's the main test if you enjoy it or not. I've always wanted to, and I think the other boys can detest to this, but like I've always wanted to ask you, and I'm pretty sure I've asked you personally about how you got to do your TED talk.

Oh, I completely forgot about that. Because I fucking love TED Talk as a meme. Yeah. It's like, welcome to my TED talk, right? Like I love that. So yeah, we really wanted to know, we talked about, we want to know how you got that, how that opportunity came up

and like just walks through the whole process. I don't remember. Someone said an email going to do a TED talk about being a YouTuber in North Japan and talking about what it's like. Is that Tohoku University right? Yeah, it was Tosheno University. Oh, damn.

Tohawk University, which is one of the top three universities in Japan, actually. And they were like, do I do a TED talk on how YouTube can be used as a way of encouraging people to come in Tohawk? And I was like, yeah, all right. But I'm quite nervous at public speaking, because it's quite scary. Going from you doing this, where it's three, four drunkers in a room,

just chatting in front of a Canon, a Canon, EOSR, camera, just standing in front of 2,000 people going, excellent, brilliant, wonderful. Just like talking to be bolder-bred. Is a whole different ballgame. Inspiring. No, it absolutely is. Because like there's no feedback.

You're just talking to a camera, you know? I fucking love making a fool of myself in front of people. I don't know why. Get yourself on TED Talk. I think I'm too British, you know. Get yourself doing a TED Talk. Yeah, I want to do a TED Talk Gras.

I've like unironically said, like, I would love to do a TED talk. What about? About, like, Doctor Jelly. Dude, honestly, if someone was like, can you do a TED talk about, I'll do a TED talk about that. Exactly. It's got to be something you're passionate about.

And they always be talking about how YouTube is a great tool for promoting North Japan. I had lots to sign the subject, given that I'd done it for five years of that. I mean, I saw the video and you seemed like quite natural about that. Yeah, yeah. I was the last fucking speaker of the day, and I was like, as I said,

I'm nervous doing public speaking. Yeah, yeah, yeah. And this is the biggest speech I've ever done in front of a crowd. There's like, 2,000 people or something. And everyone's talking, and I'm the last one, I'm just sitting there like, just shaking. And then you go up and you're like, I need to act cool, and I'm like, yes. And there's like a timer before you,

Oh, is there really? Oh. It's a fucking timer. Oh, God. I'm like, 15 minutes go. No. 1459. 1458, 1457.

You're like, uh, uh, YouTube's good, isn't it? And people love YouTube and like, was there a part of you where you're like, shit, I've timed this to one minute and I went, I went 10 seconds over. Oh my God. I've got to speed the rest up. I remember watching loads. I remember I watched Ken Robinson, which is a really good TED talk. Ken Robinson, he talked about how schools kill creativity.

It's one of the best speeches on TED and one the biggest, most viewed. It's a great speech. And I just thought, I'll just thought, I'll just, do that. I want to have Ken Robinson's speech like 20 times. I'll just walk like him across stage. And I'll deliver lines like this in intonation. And I just,

I remember I comment, like, mimicking his intonation. I'm just doing like Ken Robinson. And it worked. Did you just do that? Yeah. Did you do like a little prep? I scripted the speech and then in my apartment the day before,

I literally just did it 10 times in a row. I was like, 10 times go. And I just did it once. And I did it twice. Like a tally chart. And I was like, five times, cross, six times. And that's all there is to it.

And that wasn't, it wasn't too bad, because obviously you can just wing it in English. Yeah, yeah. I did a Japanese speech contest once. And in that, I wanted to ask you one. Oh, yeah, that was extremely difficult. Yeah, yeah.

Because it was in Japanese, and you're not allowed to deviate from your own script. Because the judges have your script in front of them. You feel like, go off a tangent. Oh, God. Nope, shit, because you went off on a tangent.

That sounds so Japanese. So you have to go word by word perfect. And so I've done that, and that was obscenely complicated. What was the process of that? Like, how did you get that? Like how did you get into that? And then why?

I had to focus on like one paragraph a day. How long was it? Like how long was the... It was a 15-minute speech delivered entirely in Japanese. And I wrote in English, we translated it and perfected it. And then I just broke it down to paragraphs. Right. I used a memorization technique to get through it.

At that point, how good was your Japanese speaking? Oh, like, good. Conversational, less than conversational? No, I was conversational. Okay, okay. I've been learning Japanese two years by that point. Okay, yeah. And the year before, I'd done another speech contest and I just forgot it.

I got like three yeah I remember watching this video last night I was just like saw this there and all oh fuck I've forgotten it I was like I just bombed

so I had to read it off a sheet and it was really awkward and I was like I'm going to learn from that experience next year I'm in a fucking speech contest I'm gonna do it and it works

yeah I went all out but so doing that really prepare me for the TED talk and after that TED talk I was like okay I don't feel that nervous about public speaking anymore would you know another TED talk

if you got the offer sorry would you do another TED talk yeah probably I don't know what I talk about. About how awesome Japan is. The value of Strong Zierre. Why the West needs Strong Zira? Why the West needs Strong Zira as a beverage.

No, because that sounds like my worst nightmare. I hate public speaking and I've only gotten better about it because I've done panels and like it's like a fight or flight kind of situation, right? But once you've done it a few times, you do learn to enjoy it. Yeah, yeah. I mean, we just drank him out recently to do a video shooting in public, which he's never done before.

That was hell for me. It's not out yet. It's actually gonna be out like this weekend. It's out by the time of this recording. Basically, we went around at Akihabara and buying as much stuff as we could for 500 bucks. Yeah, yeah, this is all the stuff. This is the challenge.

And we had a bunch of challenges and he'd never done on any video or anything like that before. And it was really fun seeing him suffer slightly. Did you get like spotted in public while you were filming? I mean, we got permission to film where we did, but there were still like people there. But I think the biggest thing for me is that I'm just like,

my video, are scripted, they're like perfectly planned, perfectly like, I know everything that's gonna. Yeah, same as me, yeah. So like when you just stick a camera in front of me and just expect me to just talk, and like the podcast is different, because I got you guys, it's like a conversation,

but like I need that conversation, I need that bounce back because if it's just a camera and I'm like, I kind of speak and I almost like instinctively wait for a response and then I realize that no response is coming, so I start panicking. So I'm like, oh, oh shit, Did I make the point I was, I wanted to make, and it's like, the first time I tried filming

the intro for this video, I was just like panicking. People are looking at you. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. I just, I just wasn't used to it. But no, because I remember my first panel and I was equally as nervous for my very first panel. And it was like back then, it was only like in front of like 50 people or something.

Do you have an adventure anime convention? I haven't, I got invited to a few, But I felt like I was misplaced because I, I literally just, if it's about Satoshi-com, we're in. And they start, probably are so much. Yeah. I thought you'd be good on the panel, like, oh, no. If it's about Japan stuff, yeah, maybe, I don't know.

Yeah. I mean, like, if you're talking about something you know about, and you're passionate about, it's easy. Because my experience with public speaking had come from school, right? Oh, God, what's the worst place. My, my, my God, like doing presentations in university, that's actually worth something for your final, It's just like fucking awful.

I gave the fucking worst speech from my dissertation. My dissertation had failed completely. I had built these renewable energy devices that just did not fucking work. And they were so poorly made. And I had to like, it's like selling a product that you know doesn't work to someone. And I remember sitting there.

And I knew within like two minutes of this like 10 minute speech that my professors, they knew it was fucking shit. And I had to keep selling it like, but it's very, very renewable, you see. And when the water comes up, the magnet will power the, I'll literally explain like basic like physics to them

and it should have been like way more in depth and somehow they gave me a good grade, I think because I was hopefully at least somewhat charming. Because it was very renewable. I think I was like, I was just like playing it off and I'm like, well I guess it just, I remember I was like, it should work, but it just doesn't because I didn't make it right.

And then they started laughing and I'm like, all right, well, I don't know the jokes in there. I genuinely think the joke saved me. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Because they were like, all right, it wasn't fucking awful. Yeah. Because like, I remember, like, okay, here's, here's the thing. Like, I remember back in my university days,

I had kept my, the fact that I was a YouTube or did YouTube videos completely secret. Oh yeah, same, same. Because my roommates found out immediately when they heard me fucking making anime screaming those. No, no, no, because like, anytime I would record, my housemates would be like, oh, were you practicing for a presentation?

And I was like, yeah, I was practicing for a presentation. They believe that, they believe that. Dude, I remember doing like, moaning for like a character and I came out for my room and they were all just outside looking at me and I was like, hello. I'm gonna get a glass of water. See, I see, because when I was at uni, I was like attending uni from home, like from my parents' place.

So like I had the privacy. Yeah, yeah, yeah. So I had to travel like two hours one way to like go to uni every day and then two hours to come back. And so like I was like, the only people who heard me was my sister and my parents. And I wasn't, I wasn't doing weird,

like, I wasn't doing weird moaning shit, right? So I was like, that's all you, man. That's all you. I'm still stuck true to myself. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. I was unlucky because obviously I was a teacher. And in my second year, my channel really took off. And I don't know how my students found out about me,

but they did. And so every time I went from being Chris then said, to, you do-Juba! And I walk out on the corner, Hey, YouTube, and I'm like, huh, yeah, That's kind of awkward and weird. You should have corrected them being like, it's a broad in Japan.

That was quite a just a YouTube channel. It's quite an awkward situation. So I have 12 under students, shall what you? But isn't it so strange now how we've gone from that to like, at least in Japan, all these young kids wanting to become YouTube? Yeah, yeah. Like if you ask kids nowadays, they tend to say they want to be YouTube.

It used to be rock stars, right? Yeah, like sports stars or like something like that. And I'm like, what? Why? Why? I mean, I get it, but at the same time, it's like, it's very stressful at times. I feel like if you're not like mentally like strong enough,

it can really break you. No, but for me like compared to getting 100K, getting a million just for some reason, didn't feel as good. Oh, no, no, definitely not. I just felt like it ticked over, you know? Yeah, yeah. It's like when like your car hit like 100,000 miles,

like, yeah. And it's just like, I feel like mental health and just taking care of your mental health, there's like such an important thing to think about when you're becoming a YouTuber. Nobody really thinks about that when they say, oh, yeah, I want to be a YouTuber. You've certainly got to grow a thick skin.

I mean, I do read most of my comments on my videos. I feel like when I make a video, it's like hosting a party and you want to be there for the party. You don't want to just make a video and then fuck off. You want to be there for the house party, mingle with the guests, and then go to sleep at 4 a.m. And I love that, and I love that. But if you do read the conference,

comments, they'll always be the ones that are like, oh, you're fat now. Your comments are fucking brutal. Someone called it said, you look like a retarded Elon Musk. Oh my God. Those are funny though. It's the ones where they do like just the littlest jab

that really gets you. Where they might have said something with that one thing in the video you were insecure about. Yeah. And it just ruins you. You're like, fuck, my whole day is ruined because of that one comment

who just hit the right thing and didn't want them to do it. I got my fair share of that when I was on your journey across Japan. Well, I think you always get it when, as a new person on the channel, like a few guests got that. It wasn't just you on journey across Japan, Joey, like my good friend Pete,

who I do the podcast, but he got that as well. Because he was new guest, and he's very different. And you're always gonna get that, I think. I mean, how'd you guys deal with hate comments? Or like, how- I don't. I feel like as a YouTuber, the, what a normal person would consider hate and what a YouTuber would consider,

you have to really push that goal to like, Like, like, if you consider even the slightest thing, hey, you're gonna- Yeah. Right, that's the thing, right? It's like, it depends, like, it depends on what they say, right? If it's something like very, like, opinionated, like, I just don't like so and so because I just don't.

And it's like, you can't really do anything about it because that's just their opinion. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. But when it's like really persistent and really petty, that's when you're like, okay, like what's your issue? I find some of those funny, it's, like I said earlier, I said, the ones where they did you find

that one thing you were worried about. That specific thing. They somehow find it. They know what you're insecure about. There's that one thing. Like you can have like the worst hate comment in the world. Like sometimes like a one sentence comment

just like bothers you for the entire day. And they're like, I've had comments like you're an asshole. I'm like, that's funny. But then they'll just like, I can't remember what it was. I read one recently. I was like, fuck you, you got me bitch. I hate you so much.

What was it? So what are you my therapist? Yeah, it was like, yeah, Like that, right? They just hit you in like where you were, like you were insecure about it and you're like, God damn it, like they got it. But you just kind of learn like, all right,

that sucks, but I've got to go on with it, right? If I let it affect the videos then, you know, yeah, I mean that's what I'm doing, right? I feel like the craze, that phase is over, but hate mail, reading comment, you know, reading those videos, hate mail. Yeah, that was really fun. I feel like you can't really do it anymore.

I feel like it happened like three years again. It was really popular in like 2000. It was, yeah, yeah, yeah. I did one like three years ago. I've done three videos. and wrote that wave and viewers always loved it because the comments I used to get

just ridiculous. Like I hate British men that speaks with the mouth like pit bull was one of people. So yeah, like, you can put a bitum quote that one. That was so good. It's like, okay.

Some hate comments is just like so brilliant you want to only put on a t-shirt. Yeah, yeah, I know. That's when you pin the good comments. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. It's such a good insult. You're like, I'm a pin that. I used to hate everyone that call me a faggot.

I hate the word fagg. Oh, I call that long. You are a fucking faggot. And because in the UK we have faggots, which are like meatballs. Yeah, not meatball. I'm like, oh, right, yeah, North America, it's money. Yeah, yeah.

Yeah, yeah. That word away is driving up the wall. But yeah, it's just. Yeah, because I feel like. You adapt, right? You adapt, you learn. You have to. I mean, it kind of sucks, right?

Because like, as anyone, like any influencer, I gotta hate using that word, but like, dirty word. Oh, the words I don't wanna be associated with me, but still is associated with me. It's my second least favorite word next to content creator. But like, a lot of questions I get

from like other smaller creators, like how would you deal with hate comments? How did you not let that affect you? And I think it fucking sucks that all you can say is you get used to it. And that's not, that's not a solution. That's a fucking coping mechanism. You know what I mean?

Part of the job. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Do you remember when you started uploading first and you got that first dislike? And you were like, who fucking did this? Why did you? Who disliked this? How?

And then next, yeah, now you used to accept that for some reason you'll have a thousand, and you're not really sure why you have a thousand, but you're like, that's normal. I expect a thousand, and then when you don't, when you don't get a thousand. But when you think about it, like, when you think about a thousand people surrounding you

who just fucking dislike you. Yeah, it's like, oh, okay. It's weird, but I remember there would be like, I had a friend who, and they started out, they had like a mental breakdown when they got a dislike. They were like, who disliked it? No one of the comments said they disliked it.

Right, right, right. Why did they do it? And it's like, it's like, I just gotta deal with it. Like, you just gonna get over it, I'm sorry. Man. No, because like, I remember one of the hardest lessons I had to learn was just learning that you can't please that of everyone.

And there, especially like, I remember a point when it seemed like everyone, everyone was positive about what you were doing, you know, you didn't really get. That's how it is. Yeah, yeah. And then you started, you reached this point when people just start hating you, like, as a person

or like, they personally dislike your personality or something about you. And you're like, I don't know why you dislike me. I've never met you, I never seen you, but you seem to dislike me and I'm just like having to learn that there are just gonna be people

that dislike you is like one of the hardest things I've had to learn. It's still a thing I think I still have to like come to terms of it. It's like some people are just gonna dislike you. Yeah, and it sucks that you have to accept that, right? I feel especially when like, you know, when again like because the large majority of YouTube is American,

and I don't wanna say like Americans don't get sarcasm, but a lot of them don't. And all four of us are very well versed in. When you do any form of jokes, right, it could fall flat. And to that person, yeah, I think, yeah, the thing that noise me is when people get angry about me swearing. Oh, yeah. That's really common.

I get people like, stop your ruining Japanese culture by swearing. I'm like, yes, me speaking words is ruining an entire culture. It's back there three, four thousand years. A word can bring down a culture. That is hypocrisy. That is fucking stupidity. Yeah. Swearing in the UK is so ingrained.

It is. And in Australia it's much, well. Yeah, yeah, yeah. I mean, there are many, see word, like it's been doing, oh, my early videos, every video I said, cunt, like, like two or three times at least, and there would always be that one comment which is like, I don't like it when you use the C word,

I'm like, yeah. I get you to like, can't? I get it, because have you heard Americans say the word, can't? It's like, I, like, you know, with your mates in England or Australia, you say it all the fucking time, like, oh, I can't, how are you doing? Yeah, yeah, but when you say an American,

when you hear an American say, You're like, oh, like wash your fucking mouth. Yeah, please. It's so elongated in American. It's so like, it's the hard scene. It's like your, yeah, like, it's the hard R is well, because the way we tap the R in, like,

British, but in American, the R is a full sound, so, they're awesome, no R in it, but the fuck my saying, hi Marita. There's no R in the word, come by the way. I was like, wait a minute, I don't know, I was thinking about a different thing.

I've lost my mind. I don't know what I'm going on about. Just take over. I don't know, but like, yeah, I definitely, like I still get comments which are like, I don't like it with you swearing because my kids are into anime, and I don't want my kids to be affected by your dirty, dirty language.

I'm looking at anime titties all the time, what do you mean? Yeah, right, and it's like, it's like, let me do what I want, dude. Like, I'm sorry that your kids, you know, don't like when I say fuck or can't, but like, I'm sorry, that's just me. Because, like, to me as a Brit,

like the word fuck is just like a filler word, sometimes. You know what you mean? Like sometimes you're just thinking, you're like, what was I fucking saying? Yeah. You know, fucking in British and Australian language is like the equivalent to like the word really.

Whereas like it's not really hard, it's fucking hard. Yeah, exactly. It's just like a situation word, right? Yeah. We obviously weren't brought up in a Christian household. My parents hated me swearing about that's another story for now. Oh no, my dad's like, like, swearing like a say.

I mean, Australian doesn't matter. Yeah, he didn't, yeah. That's like normal, right? Yeah. Man, well, I mean, we got anything else to talk about? I guess not, right? I know, I guess that's, I think that's everything I had in mind. Do you want to shout anything out, Chris?

Newest TV video, right? Yeah, watch Broad Japan. Check out Chris's channel with the link below. When is this coming out? It's early July. Yeah, early July. Well, the video I've talked about now has come out already, so you should check it out on the Broad Japan channel.

All right, well, we'll link it in the description. Thank you for coming on, Chris. It's been a lot of fun. It's been, I've not been a room, with like two other British guys in about eight years. Really? In Japan, and, you know, an Australian person

is just a bonus, isn't it? It's been a trade. It's been an exciting, transcendent experience to come to the anime church. So thank you very much. Thank you very much, guys. Oh, actually, before we end it, we're going to make it a tradition

that every guest has to, like, sign something. Oh, wow. So we've, like, prepared, like, a Shikish. Wow, it's the Japan-style thing. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Every bar or restaurant in Japan, they have them. and they feel like celebrities, that they would be honored to have you sign it.

We have like this blank wall at the back. Yeah, yeah. Why not with every single guest that comes on the show, we get them to sign this? And so that, do I have to write a special message? Or whatever you want to do? Or whatever you like. In the meantime, thank you to our wonderful patrons

for supporting this episode. Yeah, names are on screens right now. Yeah, so if you'd like to support the show and help us bring in more guests like Chris or other people, then yeah, your support on Patreon is greatly appreciated. Yes, and you know, If you enjoyed having Chris on and you know,

you enjoyed having guests on, you know, leave a comment as well because this is new for us as well. This Chris is finally our first guest. You guys have been talking about this empty microphone since the first episode, I think. What did you write? He said, I love you guys, especially jelly. This tiny signature at the bottom of right here.

Jesus Christ, well, that's going on the wall. God bless jelly. God bless jelly. God bless jelly. And here he is. Oh, it's gone. Go on. Like, I know we're supposed to end there,

but can I just quickly talk about how the first time I had to, like, when someone asks you to sign something as a YouTuber and like, you realize you don't have a signature as your YouTuber? So like, I have a doctor signature. Oh, my, my signature that I used now was the first time I ever signed something and I was just like, yeah, fuck it, I'll go with that.

And I've gone with that for like the past four years. Like my, my signature as Giguck is, looks better than my actual thing. like my actual real name signature is like fucking squiggles. But there was this one time when like someone asked me to sign something at a panel and I just signed it. And he was like, can you kind of sign it again? I can't really read this and I was like, oh, oh.

I mean, look at the broad-and signature. I can make out the C, but it was a it was the Penn's fault, not me. Yeah. What is that supposed to be as a C and a... I'm not explaining. Amazing job. Thank you. Thank you very much, Drew.

Yes, jelly. So yes, we hope you enjoy this episode of Trash Taste. I've been Giguk, and here with me has been my co-host, the Hentai Man, Seedog, and Chris, and we will see you guys next time. Bye. Bye.