Trash Taste Podcast - Is Fortnite Overrated? (ft. @lachlan ) | Trash Taste #156

Episode Date: June 16, 2023

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Hello and welcome to another episode of Trash Taste. I'm your host for today, Gantt, joining me once again, are the boys, and we are back in the Australia studio with another Aussie guest. Do you want to introduce yourself to the audience? Yeah, what's up, guys? It's Lachlan here, and yeah, can to chat with the boys today? Hell yeah, man.

Let's go on. Hell yeah. So for our audience, who might not be familiar with your content, do you want to do a brief, like, introduction about what you do? Yeah. What you're doing YouTube and you kind of like... Yeah, no, for sure. So I've been making YouTube content for 10 years now.

Yeah. Mainly doing gaming stuff. Brief summary started off doing Minecraft. Actually first started because I really like Pokemon. And there was a mod that brought Pokemon to Minecraft. So did that. It's called Pixelmon. Did that for about a couple years?

Then moved to just traditional Minecraft. Right. And then did Pokemon go for a while? And then Fortnite for the last five years. Right. So yeah. So now that we've got our first actual Fortnite creator on the first. Yeah, yeah.

You are the first. Oh, let's get. None of us like Fortress. Yeah, yeah. I saw, I, we can, we can actually, we can actually do the meme now, guys. So. Is Fortnite overrated?

Is Fortnite overrated? Okay, a bit loaded, bit loaded. Have you seen that meme? No, I haven't seen this meme. It's like these three little, like, 10 year old kids on the kids. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. They're leaned over and they're like,

is Fortnite over there. And it's like every podcast has that meme. Did they actually say that on the podcast? Or was that just the caption underneath it. I think it actually is the, yeah. I think that's the original caption and they just got memes

I think it's just how serious they're like lean-dial but like damn is it though like shit let's discuss look I mean kind of back in the day

I think it was properly rated now I'd say maybe a bit overrated yeah right right serious which I don't think we are I think a lot of our audience isn't really familiar with Fortnite in general

yeah is there kind of a way you can encapsulate how you Fortnite worked or kind of had relation to your content and what your relationship to Fortnite was. No, so it's like back when I first started the Fortnite kind of thing, we would just come off Pokemon Go hype and did you guys get around Pokemon Go? Oh yeah. Like, so I played Pokemon Go, but I didn't have a phone. I didn't have a phone that could run

Pokemon Go at the time. When did the Pokemon Go come out? 2016. 2016, yeah, yeah, yeah. How old was I then? No, I, no. You were like 12. 12. Wait, no, I, I had a, okay, for some reason I couldn't play it, but I felt really left out because everyone, everyone was playing. Yeah. And I was like, well, I'll just play it on my PC.

You, oh, fuck you. No, that's, that's, that's, that's, that's, hold up, hold up, hold up. No, okay. So then, you know, because I was, I felt so left out that I wanted to play and it. It didn't seem fun. Because, you know, okay, you were doing the spoofing thing. So, yeah, I did the spoofing thing. Oh, no.

And then I, you know, I was farming and I got, I was like, damn, this shit's fucking boring. Because I'm like walking around. Yeah, no shit. I was like, when do I, I was like, also at the time I was living in Wales, right? Right. Right. Which is, yeah. The thing that I realized really quickly about Pokemon Go is that if you don't live in a place that has stuff,

Pokemon Go doesn't have a lot to offer. Yeah. There was pretty much like two things within like 10 miles of where I lived. Yeah. I was like, this is shit. And so then I went, I spoofed on the map. I clicked London. I walked two feet and I'd gone over time.

10 poker stops. And I was like, this is bullshit. Yeah. Privilege once again. So anyway, I got banned pretty quickly. Yeah, okay. I was teleporting. Oh, okay.

I was going to like India. All right, I'm gonna do Japan and get the Japan exclusive Pokemon. All right, I'm going back to the UK. Playing Pokemon going Japan was like, yeah, I bet it was like. It didn't come out until months after everyone I was water. I don't know why.

Australia got it first, by the way. Australia got it first. Australia got it first. We got it last. Yeah. And I'm like, how does that make sense? We made it. Yeah.

Well, it's like the Mario movie come not not not coming out in Japan yet right yeah it's not no it's not it's not it's coming out tomorrow yeah yeah yeah yeah so for some reason when Japan like has an IP that's global now we get at last in Japan and yet for some reason detective Pikachu came out first in Japan okay yeah and I'm like okay yeah yeah just make up your fucking like at that point yeah I kind of missed the Pokemon go crazy and I was like so salty about it because I was living in Thailand at the time yeah right and I saw all these YouTube videos about people like going to parks

and having these big Pokemon GoMe. So I was that guy. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. I probably saw one of your early, like, early videos because I was like, I had like this big phase where I was like, oh God, I wish that was me. Came out in Thailand and I remember I was like,

yes, I'm gonna go out, walk to all these poker stops. I remember like going to my first poker stop. It was about like 35 degree weather with like 100% humidity and the next stop was like a 20 minute walk. I start walking for about 10 minutes. And I'm like, this ain't it, man. I can't fucking do this.

Were you, will you look on one of the first people to like, I guess, make videos on Pokemon Go? Because I was flicking through your channel. Everyone was making videos. Yeah, but I was flicking through your channel

and I saw that you had a video from, I think, six years ago, which was like, Pokemon Go, let's play par one. Yeah, has like 20 million views or something. Yeah, yeah.

So that was, because I was following the kind of project the week's leading up, being like, okay, no, this is going to go crazy. Surely Pokemon out there on your phone. And then it came out, like, on midnight.

And I literally was like, downloaded my phone, rang one of my mates up, like out in the suburbs. I was like, you got to come over right now. Get the camera. We're going outside of the middle of the night to catch a fucking charmander. Get here. So we were like running around catching catapies at 2 a.m. And that's that video. Yeah.

Oh, whoa. So you literally like first two hours filmed. Yeah. And then you, I just presumably went home and just edited it and got it up. Bang up. And then I remember going to bed, waking up. I think my average views per video back down were like 100, 200K like over a week. Which was pretty fucking good.

Yeah. Especially back then. And then like that video, I remember I went to bed after grinding probably like 5, 6 a.m. Hit post woke up and it was like on a mill, mill and a half. And I was like, oh, we're talking. I'm on to something. Yeah. So part two was the next.

I woke up. Hey, man. We got running back. Round two. Let's go right now. Yeah. No, but it was like the biggest flash in the pan. Like after a month, it was dead.

Right. Because you couldn't, you get your Pokemon. And that's it. I know they brought out the raids or boxes, but it still didn't feel that engaging. But that was also like, I think it was like a year after. Yeah, yeah, yeah. I hung on for a bit because I was a bit hopi

I'm thinking it would come back. It didn't. But I remember I did a couple things. So we went to Chicago for the raids and they had like the first big Pokemon Go event and then like the servers didn't work because it was too many people. That was fun.

Yeah. And then we did the Yokohama Pikachu event. Oh yeah. Which I was talking about last night and then they launched Gen 2 and I was in Japan for that as well but yeah. And then it was done in a year kind of for me.

And then Fortnite came out and that's how we got on. Perfect timing. So you're wrong up your mate and you're like, come over. We need to film it right now. It's coming up midnight. No, actually the first four night I filmed was a sponsor video. Oh really?

Because I remember when Fortnite came out because I was playing a FPS game around that time. And it was kind of like, it was not super big right away. Like I think everyone remembers Fortnite just blowing up instantly. But it was pretty slow.

Yeah, very slow. Like Pokemon Go was definitely bang. Yeah. But like Fortnite was like gradually over time because it was still PubG, I think. Run into the game. Right. And then yeah, just a couple updates came out.

Then Ninja started getting these viewers gone and then it definitely hit the, yeah, because I was gonna ask, I was like, from someone who like, I played like one, Fortnite game and I was like, yeah, I think it's not really for me personally. But like I've, it's always been kind of an anomaly to say, because like you always hear about like games blowing up. But I feel like the, the blowup of Fortnite and like the magnitude it grew to eventually was almost like unprecedented. Like it was like at the time, there was not really a game that have blown up that much like overnight. Why do you think it was? Like why, why was it Fortnite that you think was like the game that just exploded and became what it is today? Yeah, you know what? You try to dissect it.

I actually don't know. Because like, yeah, Minecraft was, would you say Minecraft? Micriff was like a very gradual rise. Yeah, yeah, yeah. And then it just kind of dominated. Minecraft also had its like ups and downs as well. It was like for a little bit

and then it kind of came back again. Yeah, everyone thought Minecraft was dead and had a resurgence and it was dead again. Then it's like always, there's always like to loop. Yeah, it's never gonna die. It's like Lego, you know what I mean? It's like, yeah, it will fall off like a month or two and then it will come back.

Because, you know, the kids will always play it, you know. It's too many good mods, yeah. Even I'm thinking about going back, and I thought I'd never go back. But, yeah, I don't know. It's hard. I don't know how Fortnite, like, and even, like, being a creator at the time, it was just kind of like, it was PubG. For me, it was looked good on a thumbnail. Like, the colors looked good.

It's very vibrant. Yeah, very, you know, when you compare it to, like, you said, PubG and H1, Z1, like, they're all really kind of ugly games. Yeah, very great. It's like an ugly. I mean, it's just ugly. It's like Cod that somehow looks worse than Cod In one of these games So yeah I think it's definitely that as well

It's very more, it's easy to like show a kid Fortnite would be like, ooh Yeah, the saturation. Then you get a gun and it's a it's a gold gun And it's like oh okay This is all like kind of like hitting the serotonin points Yeah, yeah, that's true It's fun like even if you're not good at it

When you find a purple gun you're like, oh, it must be good And then it's like it sucks or something Yeah Well you know you know I feel like as someone who's like never actually played a single game of Fortnite. Yes, I am that person. I like Fortnite for a while. Yeah, really?

Yeah. What seasons? Oh, fuck. Oh, you like the Lord Night name all seasons? It was right for the season before Thanos joined. Oh, okay. That was a good one.

Yeah. Okay, I remember that because I remember I quit and then Thanos came out and I was like, just when I thought I was out, just when I thought I was out, they dragged me right back in. And I remember when that happened, that was insane. That was wild. Yeah, that was crazy. Because at this time, they hadn't done any collapse. No, I think, yeah, the first one.

And like, I started with a playable Thanos. Which is mad. But like, I don't think anybody in gaming had even done anything close to that. No, no, no. And even, even now, Fortnite is getting all of the anime IP, like, collaborations that. The Attack on Titan, what, do you see that?

Yeah. Yeah, there's so many ads for in Japan right now. Like, every bus stop, there's just like a fucking huge ad for like, oh, Maccas and Aaron are in Fortnite. Yeah. Just like, what is this time? Like, we're meeting a lot about Fortnite, but I think there is genuinely so much interesting stuff

to talk about Fortnite and how it affects the online stuff. Yeah, yeah, because like I said, like a lot of these IP like Narutzo, like My Hero Academia, Dragon Ball is some of like the IPs that the Japanese are so fucking protective over and have never collabed with like an outside kind of like entity like in the history of the industry. So the fact that what broke that curse was Fortnite, you know, as much as we meme it up is fucking impressive. No, absolutely. Yeah. Yeah, I wonder if they'll ever forget Nintendo or Pokemon. My answer is no.

I don't think they were. Like, I think that's the one that they, you're right, they are very protective. I think there's another level of that. And these boys right here, the Mario boys, I don't think they're gonna. I just kind of imagine Luigi

like emoting over a kill, you know? With a gun. Nintendo would never let Mary have a gun, man. Are you fucking kidding me? Just Mario hitting the nana. I think a lot of these companies were protective, but, you know, there's definitely a sign that, you know, because when you go to Japan,

you can see that like, you know, Levi's on cleaning products or my hair- Wait, is he? Yeah. Oh yeah, that's so sick. You know, they, in Japan, they're not nearly as protective as they are compared to like overseas. So like, they clearly were open to licensing out the IP and the characters for stuff that doesn't really make sense for the characters.

I mean, with Levi with cleaning it does, but. Yeah, I have a Rumba that the voice is just Levi. No way. Yeah, so when you turn it on, it's just Levi being like, it's time to clean. It just starts clean. That's fucking epic. They obviously have a history of being willing to give out the IP. And I think it was just a case of no one was writing the big enough checks.

I think for that I must have come along and offered some crazy. Must be. Yeah, yeah. Because I think that's what it would take for them to be like, all right. Yeah, I guess, yeah, sure. Did you see the latest one piece McDonald's collab in Japan? No.

Oh my God. Or chicken ta-tob. Yeah, chicken, they remade the one-piece opening. with like Gold Roger, like having like a chicken burger and reciting the opening monologue. We're like, if you wanna find the chicken burger, you can find it in McDonald's. Dun, dun, dun, dun.

That's gonna sell. Yeah, yeah, yeah, oh my God, you're gonna get McDonald's now. Yeah, so it's, it's obvious that they are willing to work with IPs. And yeah, it's impressive that Fortnite has had this massive international growth that has like literally like reshaped the industry. Did you know it was gonna like blow up or was it kind of just like a feeling?

Yeah, it was a feeling. It was definitely a feeling. It was like kind of just like, and at the time like in this part of my career, I'd just gotten off the Pokemon Go Hype train. So I was very much just like looking for the new kind of game to set up on. Because I'm not, I don't know about variety.

Variety for YouTube in the gaming niche is, is it's hard because like you get viewers that come to watch you for a certain game. Yeah. You play something else. you have your viewership and back then I thought the algorithm was very based on like your average viewership I don't know if it actually was but that was just in my head um so I'd just like to be on one game and that way I could kind of do different things with the one game and I think

it being this kind of malleable game where you can use to to tell a story or interact with a community like it was it was perfect for me at the time and it still is it's just I I think a lot of what killed the hype for like content creation on YouTube for fortnight was just like TikTok, to be honest. Right, right. Like, it just like, sped everything up in it. You know, you'd sit there back then I used to upload

like 30 minute videos in Fortnite and it would be great. You could not get away with that today. Like, generally, what drew you to Fortnite initially? Because you got addicted to the game for a while. Yeah, so, well, brand deal. Right. Right. Right. Okay, okay, but we've all had brand deals, okay. Not every brand deal that we do, that we get,

we're like, okay. I'm probably the worst to say this, because I get addicted to every brand deal that I get said. So I get it, but like what about the game drew you to it and kept you playing after the brand deal? Because I'm sure it wasn't the only brand deal you got. No, no, no, no, for sure. Yeah.

So I guess did the brand and the video performed well, right? Yeah, right. So that's definitely going to fire off that dopamine kick for sure. And it's like, all right, I want another kick. Give me it. Let's go again. Yeah, just pretty much getting back in there. It was actually challenging to win as well.

Right. Yeah. Like very in the early day. So it was, you know, actual fun experience to. try and win a game. So like just recounting that and then like you know you throw on these little challenges where it's like okay, you know, he's a certain color weapon and like that spicy for a bit and you can do kind of videos with other people in the community.

I don't really know what like just kept me there though. I honestly, it was just fun. Was it not overrated? No, now, now it wasn't. Is it now is the question, right? Like I don't know. It's kind of a bit... Do you think it's changed or do you think?

Well, it's gone through two massive stages at least. I mean, when I played Fortnite when I did, it was kind of, I liked it. And then I didn't play it for like a two, two, three months. And then it was crushing it because all the Thanos stuff. And I came back to play it like a year later. And everyone was insane at building. So if you don't know, Fortnite has this mechanic where

what made it unique is a battle royale was that you could build structures. Right. Right. But when I say structures, you could build vertical walls, floors or ceilings, and then like ramps. Yeah. And the whole idea is that you should build pretty quickly to move or make a cover, right? And it was a cool system and it made sense, but then when it ended up happening was that

people started getting insanely good at building. Right. Like, and I mean like fast. Yeah. So like let's say you found someone, someone would just erect like a whole fucking structure. That was the meme. Yeah, like 0.1 seconds like this guy. And then I'd be playing against him like, like,

This fucking sucks. I'm logging off. Yeah. I don't want to fucking play this. This is horrible for beginners. Yeah. I think that's when it started to kind of slow down a little bit.

And then they had this massive idea where they were like, Fortnite is falling off. Let's remove building. So they just removed the entire mechanic and they were like, guys, it's good again.

And that was that like whole kind of pitch to trying to get people back into it. Am I correct? And say? Yeah, no, got a lot of the casuals back. Yeah.

For sure that like reminisce on the old times. Definitely got a few of them back in. I think the way I found out about it, I just remembered this. was when they did that collab with like Travis Scott. Yeah. Oh yeah. The Travis Scott and marshmallow concerts.

Yeah. Like I think that's how I found out about it because I was like, you didn't find out about Fortnite until then. I had known about it. But I remember when the Travis Scott concert was happening, that was like all over the internet because it's like, Fortnite, this fucking game somehow got like a serious like mainstream artist

to do like a virtual concert in their game. And I'm like, what? Yeah. How did that happen? And then he did the fucking McDonald's thing and I'm like, oh, okay, this guy will shot for a check anyway. Always comes back to McDonald's. Yeah, he's getting the bag.

Yeah, I think for me, like, I always knew about Fortnite, but I think the moment I realized how big it was, was, I guess, one ninja who was just overnight. It felt like overnight just became, like, the biggest streamer and, like, the face of, like, Twitch and gaming for, like, a while. Yeah. And just, like, the first, like, e-sports event that they did as well, where they had, like, the fucking ridiculous prize pool.

Yeah, 100 mil. Yeah. I don't know if it was 100 mil. I think it was 30 mil. There was 100 mil throughout the year they spent on competitive. Yeah, yeah. World Cup went crazy.

Yeah. I played in the, um, not the solos and the duos where like all the prize was. I was in like the creative one. Okay. So like as a team captain,

came dead last. Guess how much I got for dead last? 20 bucks. No, this is Fortnite here. $20,000. $20,000. Are you?

For last? For last? What? What is first place game? 300K. I'm pissed about it to be honest. Yeah. It was literally like a clip of me in the last game because it was like a, they were like parkour. You guys are like parkour games,

like run around don't fall off. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. Like in Minecraft, they make this match we have to like not fall in the lava. Literally that right. So it was a lot of like that different type of competitive aspect and so there are all these like professional parkour runners

that we build as a team. Professional. Yeah, no, it was like, hey, they bagged out 300K so like, yeah. I guess I'm the clown. Yeah. Yeah. But I remember that I was like on the last game,

like my team had died and I was sitting there and I just literally sat there, emo crying knowing I can't fucking win. Like, did you go to a physical location? Oh, this was at the World Cup. It was a day before. Where was this? Was this in New York?

What was the- All the way out to New York from Australia? Yeah, yeah, I was in Toronto at the time, so it was an easy flight. All right, okay, okay. How did you qualify for that? Well, that one, I was a captain. So like, I was like, you chose the team.

I chose the team, yeah, yeah. So it was like kind of, I made a map, and people qualified by like running my map really fast. Oh, okay. Oh, we took them over and got dead last. Was this because you were already like pre-establish? Yeah, yeah, yeah. Okay, we want you to be a team captain

or was there like a natural like qualification process? No, it was very much that. Okay, it was like me, ninja, scissors and a bunch of other international creators. So you had to just be a captain of four random people you'd never met before? Yeah. How was that? Yeah, you met them in person, I sure.

Yeah, yeah, yeah. That must be so bizarre. Yeah, it's like. I got while you guys are goats, you ran my mat really quick. Like, let's try and bag out now, let's do this. Did you keep him touch on any of them? It was like, all right, see you guys.

We came last, fuck you guys. Cut from the team. You fucked me. You fucked me. We want a measly 50K. Yeah, it ain't bad. It's a 50K between five of you. No, like 200K, 50K each.

I think it might have. 50K each. Yeah, they get each. USD, by the way. What? Okay, okay. What I was handing out these bags that they never handed out anymore.

you know that's why it's overrated yeah that's why it's overrated they don't have the bag they fell off no I mean they are handing out like like I don't know if you guys saw like the Unreal Engine Fortnite announcement like it took over Twitter

for a couple days and it was like whoa this is Fortnite now and it's like essentially you can like oh I remember this yep yeah you would have you would have seen all the timeline so that's like a big thing where like now 40% of the revenue that comes out of the item shop

gets split between playtime on Battle Royale and creative maps that are made. Right. So like they hand out bags there. That's definitely a good place. So you can literally become like, I guess making it your job.

Yeah. In like a professional format. That's like the the Roblox kind of model. Yeah, it is literally the Roblox. That's why Roblox does so well. Oh, yes. They give people who make the most popular maps a lot of money.

Well, they don't even give them the money. They actually just earn. Yeah, they give them tokens, right? Well, so they don't have this in Fortin- But Roblox, you can, sell things in the game for Robux. Or you can get like a gun in the game. Yeah, and it's very like kind of pay to win

kind of pay to gamble. Roblox is such an anomaly. Oh, but Roblox's system is very, very, very questionable. Yeah, it is. A lot of like very shape. They have a whole stock exchange, which they shouldn't have. What, in game?

Yeah, like a legit, like functioning exchange. Oh yeah, no, for the items. Yeah, some that are worth like 100,000. Yeah, and it's like, yeah, and bear in mind, this is for kids. Youngest demographic in gaming probably. They should not. Like, oh my God.

I just got hit. I'm becoming my dad now. No, I was just about to say I'm like, this is what my dad must feel like when I hear about like, so what are the kids doing today? I fucking get it. Like you might, okay, imagine your kid comes along.

He's like, mom, dad, I'm gonna become a professional Fortnite map builder and you're just like, I get it now because I'm like, this is how my dad must have felt when I said I wanted to be a YouTuber. Why are you sad son? Robox went down two points yesterday. I just sold and it's,

there's a, there's been like a lot of stories in Roblox about dudes like basically just getting like kids to make maps for them. Yeah, that's a whole thing about this. Yeah, literally, literally child slave level. They'll like get a bunch of kids and they'll make them make stuff for them and then they'll just take all the money.

Yeah. Dude who like, yeah, it's really fucking weird. Yeah, it's such a weird, but not trying to compare for one of that because what I actually sounds like it has a pretty good system that was creators, but like, Roblox has gone down the other route

where it's like, we will literally give anyone money as long as you make stuff. Wait, did you do any like Roblox content at all? No, I actually, I did like, I dabbled a little bit, but like I didn't get into it at all. Right. But yeah, I used to run like Minecraft servers. Yeah. Yeah. That was my first kind of experience,

like running a business, I guess. Because those would run in a way where it's like, come on and you pay for a rank and then it's like, you know, building content and then filming a series to help promote the server that was like really fun for me back in the day yeah I saw I saw I was looking through your channel this morning and I was like oh I see you're one of the Minecraft YouTubers who were doing parody songs yeah I didn't sing them though

I just like produce them right like that was fun yeah that those I think that's actually my most viewed video yeah it's like a hundred twenty four million yeah yeah yeah it's OG one dude I remember because like back in the day man like when when Minecraft was that it's like first first peak there was like all All the big Minecraft creators were doing these parody songs. They were getting stupid views. Yeah. But I don't think they'd ever really make money

because they get claimed. Oh, really? Yeah. Because it was like a parody of a popular song. Yeah, yeah. Captain Sparkles did a bunch of. Well, his, one of them, he had to change the song completely. Oh my God.

One of his OG ones. But like, I think the big ones are like still good. It depends like your relationship with- Diamond Sword from Tobuscus. Yeah, that was a good one. Yeah. Some OG internet like gold there in that era. So you got your start in Minecraft, right?

Yeah, yeah, yeah. Minecraft was the start, yeah. I was in- How do you differentiate yourself in Minecraft as well? Sorry? When you start out of Minecraft, how do you grow when you, because everyone's doing Minecraft? Yeah, what was it?

I think I went to like kind of a VR content phase for like three months, in those early days and like the HDC Vibe was picking up. I was doing just random flash games, like after Minecraft before Pokemon I had like a three, four, five months stint. I'd like to think I was like building up a community of people that were there

to like just watch me play random games. Yeah, yeah. And then yeah, just kind of played whatever I felt was fun. And that's probably the overarching theme of like the channel for the last 10 years. I won't play something if I don't enjoy it. Yeah, like that's pretty much all the rest of his thing. Yeah, because like I normally see like a trend in gaming YouTubers,

especially some people who start off doing a game like Minecraft is that they have fun. such trouble kind of like doing other content outside when that kind of like content kind of falls off. But you've managed to like switch content and switch games like several times. Yeah. How'd you how'd you go about like building an audience

around a game, around a new game or a new style of content? Yeah, it's tough because a lot of times it's like a gamble. It's like, all right, I've got this and I know I'll keep this. Yeah. But you if you don't change, you're just gonna eventually just go lower and lower and lower.

Yeah, yeah. So yeah, it's taking a game and it's it's two steps back one step forward because your your first video on a new game is gonna be gonna do worse you just got to stomach that um but yeah just just getting it in there and trying really hard to make that new content for that game better and I feel like it's even easier these days than it was back then right I feel like almost every YouTube video now these days is kind of like a TikTok and like it could bang or it could not bang and it's like whereas in the past it'd be like oh your next video is going to do work

because the last one did worse. And you get to like kind of that whole. But now it feels like if you just come with a good video, doesn't know about who you are. Yeah. It can bang hard. Like I've seen channels like 10K subscribers get videos like millions of views. Yeah, and I feel like another good thing about like

the new algorithm is that I feel like there's a safety net now because even if a video doesn't bang like immediately, I've noticed even if you change the thumbnail or title, maybe it wasn't like optimized the best. There's still an opportunity that you can kind of like revive old videos. Whereas before, if you uploaded a video video it was 10 out 10 you're like it's done I can't I can't fucking do anything I'm irrelevant I'm dead you know the 10 out of 10s hit different yeah yeah

you get enough of them next one can't be 10 out of 10 you know you start building up the one's gonna come out of tens yeah I heard they're gonna get rid of it really yeah the whole one out of 10 ranking system for like mental health yeah I get it I get it there's a rumor could could not be true yeah a Bible source I think It's like somewhere in the beast camp I heard it from. Oh, okay, okay. Okay. Yeah, because I know they've been talking about it for a while

because a lot of content creators have kind of, you know, being like, this is not helping me in- Worst way to start the day. Wait, yeah, you guys like me were like, first thing you do in the morning, what do you do? Check your phone? Uh, I actually don't check YouTube analytics at all now. No, I've stopped doing that.

Yeah, yeah. I think, yeah, just something, I just kind of realized like, I actually just like my days when I don't look at it. Yeah. But I look today because I uploaded the videos, it was nine out of 10, which I'm fine with, because 10 out of 10 is when I'm like,

because my town turns bad. Yeah, yeah. So if it goes below that, I'm like, oh, this is bad. Yeah, I know what you mean. Yeah, you upload an absolute stinker, and you're like, okay, as long as it's not as bad as that. Yeah, yeah, yeah. I don't know what you guys are talking about.

YouTube killed my depression by removing dislikes. I am no longer depressed now. Thank you, YouTube. Yeah. Oh, not that I can still totally see it when I go to my YouTube dashboard or anything, you know. Yeah, right. It's not there publicly, so I'm happy now.

Yeah, congratulations, by the way, because I actually first found out about you through a Sunny V2 video. But it was like normally when Sunny V2 makes a video, it's about the fall of the YouTuber. It's one of his few like positive kind of like videos. Hey shout out my boy Sonny. Oh, I'm probably right now.

Yeah. Love no, that was a weird one. Yikes. Yeah. No, yeah, that was a weird one. I'm expecting one though to be like, I don't know, look, we're in different days now. The channels.

Is it weird to have? have somebody kind of talk about your YouTube journey. It's cool. It's cool. It's cool. I actually really enjoyed watching the video. I remember when that came out. You're like, me.

I'm like, hey, he's saying good things. No, he says bad things. Yeah, no, that was a trip. It's a trip though. Definitely is like weird, but no, it was cool. How accurate would you think? Was it like? Yeah, it was pretty accurate at the time.

Right, right. Yeah, I mean, look, these days and like, like running power and like that whole kind of e-sport side of things and everything around that, I've had a lot less time to focus on my own channel. Right. Going through a bit of a break right now, awaiting, you know, a Sunny V2 kind of how he fell off. I actually want to make an addendum. He fell off.

Yeah. So you mentioned you started an esports agency? Yeah, well, yeah, eSports org back in 2020 right when COVID started. Right. Yeah. Where did that idea come from? So back in the World Cup days of Fortnite, I was actually playing a bit of competitive Fortnite

with a pro player. We were trying to qualify for World Cup. And I really enjoyed that competitive journey. And I wasn't that good, but the player I was playing with it was really good. It was fresh. And he low-key, high-key, carried me. Did you guys qualify?

No, we got like sixth in our, six or seventh in our best duo's week. You need to get first to qualify. Because, yeah, not many spots for Australia. But yeah, I really enjoyed the competitive journey and I just liked being involved in just competitive Fortnite. And so Australia doesn't have much of a scene for e-sports. So I just wanted to get behind it and, yeah, really start making content for competitive. Right.

Fortnite was, yeah, definitely a big drive for me and just bringing people together in Australia. Right. Was it more to like grow the Australian kind of like e-sports scene or because like a big thing? is that starting an e-sports organization, worst financial thing you can do. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. How hell's that been, man? Yeah, yeah, look, look, what's the meme of like,

wasted in Ludwig burning money over fire? Yeah, yeah, yeah, pretty accurate. Um, yeah, look, it's a challenge, and that's probably why I like it, because it's like, it's the first business I've ever done or business adventure that just loses money, and it's like, right. Fundamentally, that's fucking hard.

Yeah. So shit. It's like, fundamentally that's like, to me, it's like, well, this is a failure, right? Because it doesn't make money. But it's like, it's not about money. It's about honestly just bringing people together, making content. Because it's more than just e-sports. It's a content journey.

We do like a lot of IRL stuff, a lot of Fortnite stuff. We have a Rocket League team as well. So we do try to get those boys involved as well. Right. Sticking in like the epic games, Metaverse, I suppose, as far as like, their titles. Right, right. But yeah, it's just, it's fun, it's different,

it's really challenging, but I think we're making some good moves. So tell me like the entire process about how, what goes behind actually just making an esports organization from the start. Okay, so you're like, who do you talk to? Yeah, yeah. How do you start that? Yeah. And like, well, this is the other thing as well.

I think, I think it's just me and moist are like the only ones playing with their own money. Yeah. I think every, like, so I think first step from over. people as seek investors. Yeah, I get venture capital. Yeah. Yeah. Oh, toast as well.

Yeah, actually. Yeah. Yeah. No, that's true. Yeah. But yeah, I think it's just, honestly. So step one, find money. Find money.

Find money you wanna burn? Yeah. How much, what percentage of what I have can I burn? Yeah, literally. Well, that's there. That's the conversation I had to myself. And yeah, you just start with a,

like I have a really, good kind of business partner that I've had from like kind of the start. His name's Billy like started off in like kind of very professional lawyer services. So he helped me out with getting everything started and brought over kind of my team from like my editing team and something right built from my channel and just try to like scale it a little bit. Right. And then just yeah, hiring people and contracting players. How do you how'd you go about like finding players that you want to contract for your team and your organization? Yeah. Have like trials or No, it's very much just like what did what are their goals and do they align with ours

Right, so our goals aren't like our our goals, I mean we're trying to definitely This is winning not the goal. Yeah, I'm sorry. I'm sorry. Don't be shit. Yeah, but that's like I feel like that's kind of a fallacy is like winning for teams. I feel like it's the highest priority, right? It's like I get it right? You're not going in to lose. Yeah, you're obviously trying to win but the top or is the top level. They got this money glitch coming in from somewhere. I don't know where it is, but they're spending so much on the top players. So to win, it's very expensive. And that's why no one makes any money. Yeah, right, right. Because they're just ego bowling each other to try and get the best players.

So I actually, like, for me, it's about picking the best talent in Australia and how we can prop them up to compete at an international level. Because the meme is Australia goes overseas, we don't win. And it's like, you look at league, I don't know, you guys fought any sports? Yeah, yeah, yeah.

Yeah. All my knowledge of e-sports come from basically, like league. Yeah, they're dissolved. Yeah, well, they're like, They got rid of the league completely. Oh yeah. Yeah, because they were like no one, no one's watching.

No one's watching. And then so there's the time zone from like commercial side. You're only putting it out to people who live in Australia, what, 30 million? So that's your viewership. And do they like e-sports? Well, not really because we don't win. So it's kind of a weird relationship, right? So I think that's the big part of it.

And, yeah, trying to prop up those Australian players so that they can actually compete at the highest level. Right. One thing I've always been curious about is, okay, you find the players because, you know, in the top kind of echelon of whatever game you're playing, there's only a few you can pick from that can perform at the top level. How did you go about finding coaching and, you know, that kind of getting that environment to really coach them into a esports kind of like environment? Yeah, I've actually been pretty lucky with that one. The coaches actually not too hard. Oh, really? I had some really good, like, people in, you know, Fortnite and Rocket League who have just been from our...

other organizations and just getting them involved. Like, no, that one's actually a pretty easy one. Yeah, well, what do you think makes a good coach? Because it's, I've always found it so interesting because like, our coach is doing a panel on this at Dreamhack, by the way. Oh, really? Okay, okay, awesome. I'll fucking go there, yeah. I'm not enough of I'm qualified as you got it.

But like his coaching philosophy, this is Jim, I rockily coach is, yeah. He doesn't come from much of a gameplay perspective. He comes from more of a mental and like, psychological perspective. Right, right. you know, trying to not tilt and selling the players best for those kinds. Rockley's a interesting one.

Like, it's very tilt heavy. Right, right. That kind of specific e-sport. I would argue every year is right. I've seen the smash compilation. Rockley doesn't give you much time to breathe. Yeah. Legend, if you die, you have 30 seconds

to like compose yourself and like, all right, okay, I got it back in the game. Yeah. Rocket League's like, oh, I've just tilted and we've lost four goals. Yeah. Yeah. It's a fun one, though.

I really like Rocket. because I think anybody can understand what's going on. Oh yeah, yeah, yeah, right. That's why I love it. That's what I love about the fighting game community, which is like, obviously fighting games, people will tilt, but that's part of like the community, right?

Oh, of course. It's the soul, you know? That's the best part. They embrace it, you know, that's the best part of it, yeah. I'm curious from like the esports perspective of, like, let's say you have, like, League of 10 teams, right, who compete every week or whatever, you know, Where do you have to be on that, like in that top 10 for your team to be kind of breaking even or making money?

And I imagine the problem balloons even more so with like Fortnite or Apex when there's like, you know, there's so many people, right? Because at least in league, right, maybe there's 50 people total. You know, Apex maybe there's, you know, 180 people you have to kind of get to that level where somehow everyone can make just enough to survive. Yeah. And I thought like, like, what does it look like? Like if we're in a game of Fortnite, which, how many people are in a Fortnite game? 100.

Like, yeah. Okay, let's say we're in a pro-Fortnight match, right? Yeah. How many of that hundred are living off of playing it professionally? And how many of them have to do other stuff in that spare time? I saw an article on this. Depends on the region. Okay.

In Australia. I don't, like, like, like five. Even then. Like, the prize pool, they really nerved it off the World Cup. Like, it's just going down ever since. Right. Yeah. And that's why I honestly, I don't think you could alone

from a pure competitive standpoint. And that's why we try to really get the players involved with content because that's how you make. That's what you pitch. I know it's like so kind of like over said at this point of like, oh, all it's not proper because they don't make content. Yeah, it's like turning, you know, if you have like a Michael Jordan, right,

you're like, hey, you should do space jam. Yeah, you should do, it's like, hey, this is how. Hey, you should stream. I don't want to stream. Yeah, you should do more stuff. Yeah. Like diversify while your like, I guess, name value is like at its highest, right?

just to be sure to be like, all right, yeah, you know, you can make money and other revenues just in case you fucking fall for cliff skill wise and, you know, you're not winning these games or whatever, right? But it's a hard conversation to have with them because like their, their goal is just win. Yeah. It's not about like, you know, if I put on a stream, I play worse so I don't stream. And like, that's a hard, you know, chat out of the players.

Because I'm like, I'd kill to have your skill and be able to create content and stream. Like, I would actually kill for that. But like, for them, it's just like, got third last week and we're looking for first. And it's like, you know, that's part of our agenda too. We wanna win too. So it's like, yeah, I'm just, yeah, more trying to preach that kind of stability

because like, e-sports is very cutthroat. It is, it is like, okay, like in your experience, even if any e-sports organization was consistently winning and that's all they were doing, is that still enough to like, is the prize poor enough to make them a profitable business or something that can break even even? Yeah, because even that's a weird one.

Like, for me, it's like, do people care about the org? Right. That's my biggest goal. It's like, I don't really care about winning, like going back to that. I mean, great. We want to win. We want to build a story. Don't get me wrong.

And we're working towards that. And just because you can really use that win with a story to create a reason for people to care. Yeah. But I think that's where like a lot of, you know, these orgs, go for just that winning and it's like oh we won okay cool yeah it might get a few partnerships out of that like I'm sure everyone loves being with the winning team um but I think if you're not able to tell the story as well then it it gets a bit rough and I think G2 would be a good example of a team that does that yeah um like really

tells the story and wins well they've they're a huge content focus yeah players aren't doing it they're like well we'll always have a crew yeah and we'll always film stuff I think that's but also at least for that league team they have quite a lot characters who are pretty engaging and yeah yeah well I think from like a spectator like kind of like viewpoint um obviously like winning is the easiest way to get someone invested in your team because obviously there are a lot of people who just like cheering for a team that wins yeah yeah uh but saying this as like saying this as an arsenal fan uh who got in uh back back in the back in the back in the good old days and now is like a kind of like a G2 fan for Lee.

I'm a G2 fan too. Yeah, really? Yeah, yeah, yeah. I mean, EU. Yeah, yeah, EU, baby. But one thing that really drew me towards both of these teams, before the winning was just having this really exciting play style or just like having, being like excited every time to see them play because they had like a really kind of different play style as well.

So even if you're just doing something exciting in the game, aside from just, just making content as well. Because from my perspective, I started watching that content after I saw the exciting things that they were doing in game. So I was like, shit,

I want to check these guys out. And then after that was, did I become a fan? Did you do have like a, kind of like a, let's say like a strategy to try and get people invested in your organization?

Yeah. And I mean, it definitely is mainly around that content focus. Like, I mean, for our channel on,

on power. We definitely try to involve as much around the community and the content creators within Australia to try and very much get people on board so that when they see us

in a Rocket League game or when they see us in a Fortnite, it's like, oh, these guys create great content and that's why I want to get behind them. Yeah. That is the strategy for us

at the moment, I would say. Do you guys have a content house or like a powerhouse? That's literally what it was called. It was called a powerhouse. Powerhouse. We did it for like, One month in Sydney and we had our pro players come play on zero ping, compete in the finals.

And then we just filmed a bunch of content. It was a great kind of test to see if it would work. And the videos did really well. Competit players, I think we got a top five in there. And that was a good test. So now we're actually building a studio in Melbourne, which hopefully opens up in like a couple months. And that'll be the next big kind of investment from us to really have. creative people there.

It won't be more so for the players, it'd be more so for the team and the content to really flourish. Yeah, I mean, a lot of the orgs are focusing on you know, like merchandise and apparel, like building kind of some form of like, like you mentioned, like engagement and, yeah, the brand and loyalty in the brand,

which makes sense, right? Because YouTubers is one of the biggest ways they make money is merch. Yeah, it's one of the best margins in terms of, you know, what the viewer gets something and they get to support you. So it's a good way of going about it, but I wonder how long it'll keep being like that, I wonder. Yeah, like how involved are you in terms of like bringing

your own personal branding of like your content creator, YouTube kind of side of things into this esports organization? Because I feel like you guys, like you and Moist and Ludwig and Toast have an inherent advantage in that you already have a lot of people invested in you as a person. So bringing that kind of like brand power to your organization means it's an easy way to kind of like create people who are invested in your team. Yeah, 100%.

And it's like kind of like the story already started 10 years ago. And like this is like the end of it like or I suppose the current stage of it in the organization. Yeah, it's definitely bringing a lot of that branding. Like I came from a full content creative perspective. I was like the only way we're even going to get close to profitable is just making content. So let's just start there and work off players who have, you know, I suppose like kind of you're saying with too like more of a personality. Yeah.

And you know, if they win, that's great too. Like, yeah. Love that. That's, and we got a few of those guys, like great characters and just really want to get involved in content, but also put in hard work at being the best of their game. Is it ever a question of, you know, can the, the esports agency that's like,

like you mentioned like moist or whatever, can that, can that org ever eclipse your own kind of influence and following or is something where it's always in the shadow of? I would say it's probably above mine right now. Really? Yeah. Well, and that's not even because that's because many my numbers have dropped off. You're all right.

Sonny, I'm waiting trade offer. No, but that's the thing is that like I run power. I don't have like a C year. I looked at it and they were all like, hey, 400k a year and I was like, hey, I'll do it myself. And then that which is probably dumb in hindsight because like I've definitely sacrificed a lot of time on my own channel because this has been my main priority.

But also I think it's whatever you enjoy doing. Yeah, that's it. If that's something that is more rewarding for you in your current stage of life, then like, yeah, like you know how to make videos. If you want to go back, you could easily start that grind and then get back into it, I think. Yeah, and I get tempted a lot.

And I'm like, I'm taking a few months off, like, I think I was talking you guys about traveling, like gonna travel the next two months and just focus on power and just kind of put my channel to the back for a bit and then maybe come back to the studio Melbourne and maybe rejig up my channel again but at the moment yeah it's my number one priorities is power because I think winning with the team is way cool than winning by yourself and that's what the channel was for 10 years just doing well but it's like you know you you party with you other content creators but it's like imagine parting with the team yeah

to me that's just so much cooler and so much more rewarding so yeah did you just I'll say it's the friends we made it along the way. Hey. We're Nakama. It's not about winning. We're a family. We take care of each other. We sound some anime shit right here.

It's very anime. I didn't ask, and I should have asked this, what games do is your old competed? Yeah, so it's Fortnite. We started there. And then Rocket League, which we actually, we were the first Australian team

to ever sweep an NA team in Rocket League earlier this year. So I consider that a huge W for us, which G2 as well, by the way. Oh, yeah, we loved that one. We love that. And then, yeah, Fortnite, we've got six players, one of which got top five at Dreamhack, San Diego.

And he's gone to Gamer's eight for that big $2 million tournament later this year. Yeah, no. Bring him some money. No. As well, I mean, I think similar always have it, but we don't take any prize money. Like that's kind of theirs, and we just help,

build everything else around it. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Which I think is definitely probably the better way of doing it. Much more sense. Yeah. How's it feel seeing your team compete? So good. Like, okay, so here's the thing.

Have you guys watched like Moist Rocket League watch parties? Yeah, I love them. Yeah, it was so good. So like, I watch him, right? And he's like, I was back in the spring major last year. We were competing and I was streaming ours on YouTube, but we only made it past one round and it was depressing because it was like 0303 round and it was like fuck.

And then I'm, I'm, sitting there living through Charlie watching his team win. I'm like, fuck man, I want that so bad. And they want it. And then they want it. And I was like, fuck man, I feel so good for him right now. Like I've done the opposite spectrum of like stream my team just getting absolutely rinsed by face plan and just another team.

And it's just like, I think I've watched Charlie, his team lose. It's like. It's depressing. Yeah. And also it's the jammy. But it's also the content. Yeah. You're getting depressed.

Viewers is they're loving watching your pain. I saw a lot of just fucking like. looking so defeated when his team lost. It was kind of fun. Yeah. Because it's like you said, like you see the highs, you get the lows and that's what makes it great. Because you see a man who's invested,

like, hard money and emotion. Yeah, yeah, yeah. It's like if you watch your Arsenal, but every time Arsenal lost, you'd lose 50K. No, I know. Like it's so much more fun to watch.

It's like, this is great. It's like a deeper- It's like a deeper level in the gamut, it's like higher stakes, because not just money, it's also time. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. Yeah, no. Like the next level of sports betting.

It's like, I don't sports bet. I make my own e-sports team, and then I bet on them. But also, it's kind of five head, because they're just, they're buying essentially just guaranteed content for themselves as well. Yeah. Because you get that every single week or whatever they're playing, you get to stream it and you get to then make money off of those streams. Yeah, it's good in the content calendar wheel.

It's like, you know, for streamers specifically as well. Like I am not much of a streamer. Like I started making YouTube content, but I did do like a two year YouTube deal streaming a while back. And that was where I really got into streaming. And it was interesting to learn. Like, yeah, not into the streaming. Because you got the YouTube deal as like the first wave.

Yeah, we were on the first wave of it back in the day. That when Mixer was really starting to pipe up and Mixer signed Ninja. And then it first streamer war started and it cool. And that's actually kind of back now a kick. Yeah. It's back. I've heard a couple rumblings going on. Just sign my deal. Damn. Okay. I love Twitch. I love Twitch. One thing I wanted to ask actually is like, are you planning to like kind of extend to other games as well with power? Yeah, definitely. Definitely. I think that's in the books for yeah, 2020 this year. Um, it's, and that's like kind of part

of it is like surveying which game to go next. Uh, would you be interested in like, because you know, you obviously like massive Pokemon fan, right? Like, have you ever thought about like going into like the competitive Pokemon scene or? That's interesting. That started really hitting my like, for you page on YouTube. What's like I really blown up recently, I feel. Is it Wolfie?

Yeah, Wolfie. Yeah, he's making some great content. Like really good storytelling. He's been innovating. But also when you're playing with a Nintendo property. No, you're, yeah, the answer is no. Yeah, yeah. It's always that moving thought of like,

when are they gonna decide they don't like this? Yeah, when are they gonna shut down? I mean, I've seen all the smash like shitstorm going on. Yeah. It's crazy that they just, don't want any esports. They just, they actively, where other games like,

Embris, embrace it, yeah. We'll pay hundreds of millions of dollars to get something. Nintendo will actively be like, fuck this, fuck you, don't play our games longer than we tell you too. I just don't think they really like understand the scene enough and they, I feel like it's gone way too long, we can't use that as an excuse anymore.

I think they understand it, they just don't want it. They feel like that is not their goal as a company. They are that fucking granddad who's just like, what is e-sports? I don't understand this. Are they, what's real sports? That's not real sports. Yeah, because it feels like, you know,

especially in Japan, I don't know how big the e-sports scene is in Japan, but I know it's like almost non-existent in terms of like league. Is it Valoran or is it? Valon, it's pretty big in Japan. Apex is also huge in Japan. Yeah, no, Apex.

Apex won the Battle Royale war in Japan. Oh yeah, it's not even close. Yeah, and like they're getting Aaron Yeagers and they're still not winning. Like, how's that one of you got posters everywhere. Now they're trying to win a war over there. I think it's like kids, kids love Fortnite in Japan. Yeah, yeah, yeah.

But like the moment they kind of get older, it's apex, everyone plays a year. Yeah, but Valvin is also massively taken off. Yeah, League. Thank all the V-tubers for that. Yeah, a lot of V-tubers actually. Yeah, yeah, push Apex. Yeah, right.

I think it was actually the V-tubers that originally, especially with Apex blew it up in Japan. Because there was like a bunch of like pretty top-level Japanese V-tubers who got really fucking good at Apex. Well, they also have like, I think it's not, maybe bi-weekly or monthly, V-tuber apex tournaments. Oh, yeah, yeah.

Yeah. Basically, V-tubers control the Japanese meta about pretty much. What games gets played, right? Mobos they do not like in Japan. Yeah, okay, that's Korea. Yeah, Korea loves Mokas. Yeah, yeah.

Does not want Mobos. Are you playing any games outside of, like, Fortnite, and, uh, What games you play? You know what's crazy? It's gonna sound cringe, but it's actually Fortnite. It's okay.

I played TFT and that's like the most cringe game of all. Oh, actually, you know what? I started playing a bit, Super Auto Pets actually casually. That is kind of like TFT. Yeah, yeah, it is. It's like a TX, right? Yeah, yeah.

Auto chess, yeah. Um, that one's, yeah, surprisingly fun to play, uh, yeah, with friends as well. We used to play the Dota one, the Dota chess. And then I just- That was the first auto chess. Yeah, that was.

Yeah, yeah. and then they'd be like, yoink. And then, yeah, it's always funny how those happen. But yeah, no, honestly, it's like, I'll probably wake up and still, like, get in at least a game of Fortnite. Right, right. I'm probably addicted to Fortnite. Right.

And I don't even make much content on anymore. It's just like, some habitually ingrained in me for five years of making content on the game. Because a lot of times in that journey of, like, making content when I was daily uploading and stuff, it would be, let's just play to figure out what to record. and like, what can I, like, let's, let's on the fly here, make something not while playing a game. Yeah. And then that's just become a habit to just play a game every day.

And it's like, well, I think the big thing about getting into a new competitive game is that when you put so much time into learning the mechanics of one game, it's really hard to just jump into, like, jump into another game casually and be like, I want to spend time learning this game now, right? Because that's why I will never play another mobile outside of league. Because, like, there was a time when I enjoyed League of Legends. I spent, God knows how many hours, just learning the basic fucking,

like just how to play the game and how the game works. And I do not have that time in my life anymore. Yeah, you know. Sure, sure. Yeah. Is there any, like, if you could pick any games that you would want power to, like,

kind of like be represented in, like, yeah, regardless of, like, logistics. Yeah, regardless of logistics. I mean, we wanted to do, we wanted to do Valerant. We were looking into that pretty heavily. Then they went franchised. Right. Which, yeah.

What does it? What does that mean when they get franchised? Essentially it was like kind of like invite only and we weren't in it yet so it kind of made sense. Like, but they didn't pick any Australian teams in the franchise model. There's none. There was gonna be one and then they went bankrupt.

Um, welcome to the sports. Okay, everybody's going bankrupt. Yeah, as a couple, is a couple. Well, CLG recently announced, yeah, darling back and then guard fired all of their employees. Yep, and then I think V1 was talking about looking for a merger. I think I saw like,

And then I saw TSM dialing back or something like that. Which is like, if TSM is dialing back, that's pretty scary for the whole industry because that's like one of the biggest brand name orgs. Yeah, yeah, exactly. So I'm guessing being an Australian esports team, you guys are always seen as the underdogs. Yeah, and actually I love it because when we win,

it's gonna feel so fucking good. And that's why you gotta get behind us. Because when we go to a tournament, we are fundamentally not meant to win, right? And that's like the whole Aussie spirit's underdog. Like, that is it. How much do you think crappy Australian internet has played a role in their weekend sports show?

Yeah, because I was gonna ask. It's definitely part of it. Like, we'll still get Rocket League games and it's like guys dropped down. It's like, oh yeah, you know, give me a bit. Like, there's like a little, like, I think we have a higher, I could be wrong, but I think there's like a,

we take more referee pauses like in any other region in RLCS because it's like, yeah, internet. Like it's just a common thing, especially when people are playing out rural, it's like, yeah, okay, is internet's out like, will we come back? Coinflip, we don't know. Yeah.

Yeah. Definitely, definitely a part. And I would say even YouTube as well, like early on, I had to get my video done by 8 p.m. So that I could upload it overnight. Yeah, I was there as well. Yeah. Yeah.

Because when I was living in Australia making content, I was also uploading daily. Yeah. And there'd be like an off peak and then there'll be an on peak. And if you didn't upload during the, or if you uploaded during the on peak, then by the end of the month, your internet was just fucked.

Yeah. Because there's always a cap to it. So you had to do it. Yeah. So how it works? Yeah. Oh, we were brokeies for sure. Yeah, yeah.

So basically how it would- It's notoriously bad. Yeah, so basically how it worked was that, I think it's like between like 12 a.m. and when was it? It was like... For me, I think it started at 10pm. Yeah, it was like it was basically, it was like 10pm-ish, there would be an off-peak, which is basically, it's basically like you're separating the data cap into two halves,

one during the day and one during the night. And if you exhausted it during one of the peaks, then the other peak would be affected. Yeah. your internet would just go down to dial-up speed until it would refresh the next month. And so when I was uploading daily, I had to basically upload it overnight because not only was the internet so incredibly fucking slow

that it took all night to upload it. But also, if I did it during the day, then I would exhaust the peak and then my dad would come into my room pissed off as fuck me, like, why is my internet at dial-up speed? Because you uploaded all this shit and basically capped out our data limit. And you lived in Sydney.

So you weren't like in the middle of fucking nowhere. Dude, I had point three upload. Were you in the city? I was just outside of the city. I was in northern beaches. Because apparently for like the way they like refresh the internet is for some places they started outside then in the city. Like they didn't start from the city and then go out. They went out from the suburbs into the city.

I think Melbourne's like that from whatever. Right. Where like people in Melbourne still in the city kind of had shit in that. Yeah. No, I don't think it was like that for us. I think it was just kind of in Sydney it was just like a like overnight everyone would just like. would just like get a refreshed. Yeah.

But either way, like, I had to basically, like, really downscale my videos to make the files as small as possible. One, because it would take a billion years to upload so that I wouldn't be able to make the daily upload schedule. But two, if I was uploading, like, a gigabyte video files every single day, dude, my internet would be out in, like, the first 10 days. Yeah. And then I'd have dial up for the next 20 days, which is just like...

When I first got an editor... horrendous. I started uploading the raw footage. And that's when I realized, oh, shit, my internet. That is so slow. Yeah. This is YouTube video, you know, you render it and it would come out and it's 1080p

and it would maybe come out to like 700 megabytes, maybe a gigabyte tops, right? Right. But then when you start loading raw footage and then, you know, this raw footage is three hours long and there's two camera angles, you're like, oh, this is gonna take four days. Yeah, so I couldn't upload 1080p videos while I was living in Australia

because the files were too big. So the first two and a half years, I was uploading 720P at most. And I was using like a program to like basically scale it down and to sacrifice like graphical quality or like audio quality just so I could upload it without going over my cat.

It's crazy. Yeah, and that was fun. And then, you know, by the time I moved out to Australia, because my PC was basically on 24 hours for two and a half years straight, it exploded one day. And I like actually burst into flames. And I was like, well, guess I'm moving to Japan now. Wow, that's the catalyst.

You take it for granted in Japan, though, how lucky you are to have. Oh yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Because you have insane speeds even through like mobile connections. Yeah. And there's no cap either.

Yeah, there's no cap. Yeah, I just, I upload like a terabyte of files. I'm like, all right, I'll be dumb by dinner time. Yeah, that's crazy. Is the Australian, isn't that still bad? It's not bad now, like, there's like a couple good providers now. And like they've got NBN infrastructure most place. The natural broadband network, yeah.

Yeah, which was, yeah, hairy for a while there. But it's good now. It's good. Not terabytes, but like, you know, we do a couple gigabytes. Nice, nice. Hell yeah. How's the ping in the way? in Australian like competitive games.

Because it's like a meme, the league community where everyone's trying to figure out why NA like North America sucks so bad. And there's like a million different like fucking excuses. One of them is just like, oh, it's cause of the ping. Like because the servers are like in the middle of America. Yeah, the servers are in the middle of America and they're all like all in California, LA.

So it's like yeah, the pro players can't get like good practice. And so what happens? It's like 60 ping, right? 60 MS. That's kind of a lot. Yeah, I think a lot of people do play on like 60. Yeah, yeah, yeah. I think in Korea it's like three or something, right? It's like 10 or below 10 in Korea.

Yeah, yeah, yeah. I think I get like 15 in Tokyo. Dude, when I was in Australia and like before the National Board of Band Network came out and I was playing like G-Modd with like a bunch of my friends in America, like I had like 300 on a good day. Yeah, yeah, yeah.

Well, that was like yeah, because during my early days doing Minecraft like 2014, like I was recording with Americans. Like I was the only Aussie and I was like, it was the meme of like me being like, flying around the screen like this like yeah they call me like the blur because I would be blurring all the spot through everywhere but yeah I mean it was good fun waking up at bad hours um yeah it's good grind days for sure yeah but like how how bad is like the ping now when it comes oh yeah eating kind of like a competitive scene here in australia yes it's not bad so all the

servers based in sydney um right yeah so we might like we did that one thing where we flew our players is down to Sydney and played some games out there to have zero ping. Because in Fortnite, ping is essential for taking their walls. So you'd pickax the wall and it would be like who places it first next. And it's who's ever closest to the server.

Yeah. They said they added... You're spamming it, right? Yeah, you're both spamming it. And it's like, they say it's a coin flip on like a 50-50 chance. But if your ping is good enough, it doesn't do the coin flip and you just get it.

Yeah. And like, that's a big key mechanic for like fighting because if you take the there wall you can edit and then get a free shot. Yeah. Right. So that's like big part. If you build the wall in Fortnite, you can actually like, this is it's a three by three.

You can actually like press a button that allows you to remove parts of the wall. Yeah. So you can imagine it, right? If you have a, if you box someone in and you're the one who built the wall, you can quickly, you know exactly when you're going to remove a section of this wall, then you can just shoot through it. Oh, okay. So like I could just remove a portion to shoot them and then put it back.

Oh, wow. Yeah. Yeah. So that's, they can't do anything. Oh. Yeah. Yeah. just sit there and take it.

Yeah. So I guess ping is a big factor. I didn't know that was a big deal. Yeah. So that's like in America right now, they even just did it with Fortnite where they had the East servers and the West servers,

and they just randomly like, hey, it's all gone central. So like all these guys that set up boot camps on East Coast because that was the biggest dominant competitive scene. I've all just moved to Texas. Oh shit. To compete.

It's crazy to think that like so much infrastructure that's already built could just be overturned by where they're like, yeah, we're gonna move the server. Yeah. It's kind of insane the thing. No, it's wild.

It's wild. Yeah, I mean, like, I don't know how big, kind of like, esports plays a factor into business decisions that they make. I can't imagine it plays, like, the biggest factor, you know?

For America, I think, yeah, definitely would be, we think about it for our logistics. It's kind of like, the Apex teams in Australia are actually, I know I said before that, you know, Australian teams go international,

and they don't win. The Apex teams, and I actually got to meet Jen Birch and Jen Burton, I think his name is, in a tournament I did last week. So he's actually a part of the elusive Australians that go overseas and win. They won a couple of the international Apex tournaments last year. And so they will qualify through Asia, play against Japanese teams, and actually win on like 160 ping. Like games, because the games got good enough net code that like, and I, I know, It's really not hard to play on bad ping.

Yeah, it's actually very good for it. Like I played the whole tournament on 200 ping and felt fine. So, Overwatch is like that. Overwatch, when I played it, I noticed that the ping didn't feel that bad, but like other games like, Valoran, you're like, I die now.

Yeah, that's horrible for a high ping as well. Right, right. But yeah, no, so like they'll play on 160 and win, which I think is insane. Before what you mentioned before, have you ever competed yourself in any other tournaments? Or tried to, man.

Just the Fortnite stuff, I think, was, is it. I was going to do a Pokemon Go tournament earlier this year just for a meme, a little throwback meme, because I've actually got like a competitive aspect to that now, too. How would you be competitive in Pokemon Go? Oh, because you can battle each other then. Yeah. Do you guys play? I actually, on ironically, play.

I stopped playing, I think, about a year or so again. Yeah. Like in the middle of the pandemic. Like, yeah, when the pandemic started, I was like, well, I can't go outside, so can't really play it. The pandemic must have murdered Pokemon. Yeah, I don't know what they did. I wasn't playing back there. They did something that allowed you to go to Poked stops

without physically being there. Yeah, I think so. Does that remove the whole point of Pokemon Go? Yeah, but no one could go outside. Yeah. So they had to do something. Like the game just dies. But I remember when I was still playing it,

they introduced like, yeah, basically like a battle system where like you could pick like three Pokemon. Right. And then based on your, what was it, what was the power scaling called in Pokemon Go again? It was like the points or whatever. CP, right? That's it, yeah.

Yeah, which is the worst. Yeah. Yeah, so it's like, it's like you, you're taking three Pokemon and then your CP would actually just account, I think, for like the HP or something. And then you basically just like battle it out, see, you know, who gets off the screen. Yeah, tap the screen, you know, like, yeah, it's not. It has competitive things. It's like a, it's like the, it's like the VGC game. It's like kind of random, but kind of skill like, you know, this could work or what moves are they running is.

like the biggest competitive depth. There's not much competitive depth to it at all, which is why I thought I could actually walk in there, maybe do something. Yeah, yeah. I could flick a win. Yeah, I think you could, because you could just, yeah,

you just look up your kind of what the tier lists are online and just go with something like that. That makes sense. But no, I didn't, nah, didn't manage to get that done. But no, not really involved anything else outside of Fortnite, that's just been- You must have traveled quite a lot during like your Pokemon Go content phase then.

Yes. Yeah, we caught all the regionals, all the ones he had to go like America and Japan for. Oh my God. Did you make content doing that? Being like, I'm gonna go on a flight now to go and get a Pokemon Go from Japan. 100%.

That's the whole, that's what's taking me. Well, what was it as far-fetched you could only catch in Japan, right? That's it, yeah. The trouble's the European one? Was it Taurus or Mr. Mine? And Kangas Khan was Australia. Yeah, yeah, we were Kanga-Kangas-Kahn. Yeah, so did a bit of traveling there.

Yeah, did all of them, did Europe? Fuck. That's been nice. Yeah, yeah. Yeah, he basically just got a vacation, right? Yeah, around the world in 80 days, funded by Pokemon, Well, it was actually even better because I think I was like gamescom. So it was like and I was with there with the EA playing battlefield.

So it was like I was doing that and then doing this as well. Right. Because they're still running a second channel playing other games and stuff. But yeah, no, lots of, lots of traveling. How many countries did you end up pitting up? Doity for Pokemon Go? Can you even remember? I can't honestly.

It's got to be at least, it's got to be at least six, I reckon. Okay. Because yeah, America, Canada, Japan. I mean, do we count Australia? Not really. I'm already there. Germany, UK, and then there was some, I think Dubai as well. What do you think of the UK?

Yeah, actually, we like the UK. Yeah. That's a hot take. Yeah. Is that my trash take? That is a hot day. I like the people there. What are you talking about?

Okay. If we're talking people ranking, I would say, and I think it's because. People, right? Let's rank for you. Let's rank people. Okay, that's fine. That's why I go there, right? Let's do this.

Let's see a list. So I feel like because, like bless up the queen like Australia Canada and UK people like just gel the most yeah like I get on with everybody like I lived in Canada for like about a year everyone there super friendly super nice yeah yeah UK feels like Sydney in some aspects yeah it feels like Sydney but worse like more to yes sorry very grey yeah that's what I would use like Sydney if it was just perpetually shit weather yeah yeah it humbles you but like people there are

I don't know like I like obviously I've collaborated a lot with the sidemen and then like they're always up to some crazy mad shit like they've been on a run for a long time so it's always good hanging out with those guys like I honestly just have a lot of fun when I go to the UK yeah yeah I mean the UK and Australia is very close culturally I would say yeah actually like the people uh and I'm just like every time I meet Australian and go to Australia I was like oh this is what the UK could be like if we were happy you know so unlike to me like Australia, British people are like a step, like if we're tearing the tier list. Tearless, it's like British people step down from Australians because they're just less happy.

Okay, but who's S tier in this? Who's S tier? Yes, tiering people. Yeah. Yes, tiering in nationality. Oh, God. Is that racist? I'm white, so I can only do white countries.

Well, they were amongst the white countries. It's like, to me as a Southeast Asian, I'm like my, like, I've seen so much like similarities where hang out with like Latin America people. It's like, you know, Ozzies, UK, New Zealand, Canada, they all jail well. I feel like Southeast Asian and Latin America people. You know, it's just like, yeah, yeah.

Also it fits like a glove as well. Sure. Yeah, I don't know what else though. Yeah. What about your Japanese side? Who'd you get along the most with as a, from your Japanese side? Well, considering how xenophobic we are,

we only really hang out with Japanese people. It's like everybody else is F tier. According to Japan. There's only, we are S tier, everybody else F tier. Yeah, yeah. Yeah, yeah, yeah. So I lived in, now, now, here's the thing. I think I was talking to you last night about it.

I say Osaka, but you say it. I thought he said Asaka. Yeah. I was like, I think it might have just in the accent the way I say it. And I'm like, wait, you used to be where our old studio was in Saitama? And then the local one was like, what's Saitama?

Yeah, I'm like, what is that? I've completely misconstrued what you said, yeah. No, yeah, so I was in Osaka for. There's sound like you're saying Asa. Yeah. Yeah. So what way, why also? Um, so at the time like the girl was dating, she got a job out there and I was like,

I can do this anywhere, I can make content anywhere. And I love Japan. The few times I went for Pokemon, I was like absolutely just loved it. So I was like, yeah, I could do this. So I got one of those visas that allowed me like a working holiday for a year and then just moved over. I got an Airbnb and off we go.

Hell yeah. Set up a computer upstairs in this little concrete castle and then off we go. How was it recording YouTube videos where and presumably a small Japanese apartment with neighbors and stuff? How was there? Yeah, I didn't get any noise complaints.

You didn't? I didn't. I didn't. I like to think it was very, soundproof like Kong Creek. I don't know. This is it though. You're right because I was very conscious of that. I did not want to be that guy coming in just shouting playing Fortnite and 20. Yeah. Yeah. Because that's what I was doing. Um, just doing the streaming thing at the time as well. So it was kind of just get hours in. Um, but now and then that was like, that was so much

fun. And then that got cut short because of COVID. I was like, I got to go back home. I got to. So how long were you there for? I was only there for, I think, two and a half, three months. Oh, wow. Yeah. But I really weren't there. long. Yeah, and I was meant to be there for a full year and I got cut short. And now I can't get that Biza again. How's your how's your experience in Japan? I loved it, man. It was so much fun. Like, just getting to like explore different towns like every weekend like yeah, even just running around Osaka and just finding all these new different places. And I feel also like as well because like unlike people in Tokyo, I feel just like people in Osaka just like very a lot more

like stranger friendly. Yeah. Like they're a lot more comfortable. I think like not just with foreigners, but just like with people they don't know. Yeah. And just like a lot more like open. Like if you go up to someone in Osaka and just like start chatting with them, more times than in Tokyo, they're just like, yeah, okay, I'll engage in this conversation. You know, if I can have a bit of ban. Yeah, a lot less English though. And for me, really still don't really speak Japanese.

Did you end up picking up any Japanese at all? Like just enough to get by, you know, we ran Google Translate for the most. But like, you know, like, you know, you areicato. I'm up hearing Australian accent. Ariya. Saranara. Saranara. Suman.

That's all you need to know. Yeah, pretty much. Summashen is the other thing you say the most. Yes, it really is. It really is. Say, for goddamn everything. Yeah. I heard you had a, had a favorite,

had a favorite ramen joint as well. Okay, so we're talking about this in the break. We got this, this is the trash take, I guess, is that it's Iran is actually good. Yeah, yeah. It's actually good. Yeah. These guys are, these guys are,

dude, people in Japan love it. They go crazy, don't you? No, it's like the most mid-Roman, the most five out of it. It's good. Why do you think it's so popular in Japan? It's not just tourists. It's really, really popular amongst Japanese people.

Because Japanese people will fucking form a line on any mediocrity if it's sold well enough. Wow. They will. Like, there's so many, like, there's so many places where it's like, why is there a line forming in front of this thing that the common understanding is that it's kind of mid as high

At our old office, right, we had a burger king, like right near our station. There was a line forming at the fucking Burger King because there was a new burger that was coming out. And I'm like, what? Will Japanese people just like line off for anything that's new? Yeah, yeah, yeah. I remember seeing like several lines outside of McDonald's as well. Several times. I would line up for McDonald's.

I was gonna say I really liked Japanese McDonald's. Japanese McDonald's is good. Japanese McDonald's is good, but it's not something I'd be like, boys, I gotta drop everything. If I'm like, you know, this is Mitch. I'm lining up for McDonald's. There are very few things I would like line up for because I don't know, like, maybe it's like when I've been getting older, but if I'm hungry, I just want food like now.

Yeah, I don't like lining up, I don't like lining up. There's like, have you seen those TikToks, whatever, they're like, this is the best onigiri place in Japan, and it's like a two hour line for a fucking onigiri. But that's what I'm saying? What is it onegiri? It's just the rice bowl. Rice bowl.

People will line up two hours just to get a fucking rice bowl. Yeah. Like recently there's been this boom in Japan of like onigiri like specific like places. Yeah. And they're supposedly it's like, oh, it's a different type of riceball. Like we specialize in rice balls. I'm like, how much can you change your rice bowl? It's full cap.

There's no way it's good. But like that's the thing is like I feel Japan is this has this common idea where it's like they see a line or they see a crowd. And the first instinct is, oh, I should probably join in on it because it's probably something that A, I don't want to miss out on or B. is something really good because it's like it must be good if there's a line in front of it yeah but then there's this kind of self-fulfilling prophecy of like well even the people are just lining up because the line is there like they're not actually thinking about well is it

actually good or if is the product even worth lining up for and I feel itchiran is a big culprit in that because each run and a lot of these like big chains do this thing where they just like make the outside look flashy as fuck yeah to be like hey we have great raw men just you know, blasting it out into the stratosphere. And the Japanese people look at it and be like, well, that looks kind of sick.

Start lining up and then the line forms. I think one of the things that itchian has done, if you can Google pictures of it. You know, ramen places are traditionally very, like, dingy, very kind of like, they're all,

they're musky. Yeah. It's due to smell of smoke. You know, it's not like the, you know, when you walk in and you look wide as fuck, it's just like,

they're like, they all just like, yeah. Yeah. Like, there's a few things that Ichiran does well, especially if you're a tourist, which is why I think it's so popular. It's one, like, you can,

it's so easy to order. There's no kind of like barrier to be like, oh, I'm going to this. But that's also, like, made for Japanese people. They don't want to talk. Yeah, yeah, yeah, exactly, exactly. Well, most ramen places, they just have, you know, a little vending machine

where you get tickets and then you just give it to the dude, you're right? But even like, yeah, even like trying to, I guess, trying to figure out the ticket machine is kind of, like, daunting if you've never been to Japan for. or you don't know how it works.

The one, I feel the one thing that Ichran did really, really well was that like they're one of the best when it comes to like customizing. Yeah, yeah, yeah, that's it. I always wanna add like 10 more clothes of garlic and it's your end you can just add a fuck ton of garlic. Yeah, yeah, like they give you that option. So that's like the big selling point of ramen,

but I'm like, just because the options for customizable is there, doesn't mean it's good. I love it, I think it tastes fucking bomb. Yeah, I tried to hit it like at least once a week when I was in Japan. I'm not saying, I'm not saying, dude, I remember like I would finish a stream because 24 hours as well, at least one mine was 24 hours.

Yeah. Yeah. Um, but it was like hit like a four or five hour stream. It was like, it was winter to when I was there like early in the year. Oh, yeah. Oh, yeah. Oh, 100%. I was like just, just banged like a five hour stream.

It's 2 a.m. I'm going out of itchron. And I get my bike, bike down each year on. And I think it was in a bit of a interesting place because of a lot of guys in suits. Oh, it's a shing janky. right is no it was like I should probably not be here I don't know I I was a bit sussy like because it was in this district where I think also like the strip clubs were as well yeah and it was like just a lot of guys in suits like on the what are they they were like in

on the corner of the intersection like the touts they're like they'll try and get you into places yeah but it was just weird also I think I know the area you're talking about and I guarantee the majority of those dudes in suits were probably yakuza members and there we go yeah And I'm just walking through white guy on a bike 2 a.m. going to get some Ichiron. Yeah. Yeah, I was thinking maybe it might be something going on here. But like, you know, I just.

But goddamn, I want those 10 extra clovers. I want that extra garlic. Go straight to itchran. Get a great ball. Go home. Bike home. Okay, granted, I'm not saying itchran is bad. Oh, I like petting now.

But it's, it's not bad, but it's five out of ten. It's the most mid-roman you have. Like, my equivalent of, I guess, go to dinner. to Japan and going to like Ichirad for me would be like going to America and going to McDonald's, you know? It's kind of like you go to a country where there's so much great choice of fucking burgers and fast food and you choose McDonald's. So in Japan there's just kind of anomaly where like reviews of places are pretty consistently around the same score, but for ramen, they're always lower like consistently. A four star ramen place is quite uncommon on Google Maps,

but there'll always be four star like other restaurants. Right. And so and I realized I'm like, Yeah, because a lot of ramen places in Japan just fucking suck. Like sometimes they'll give you the chashu, the pork. Yeah. And it's just the worst piece of meat I've ever had in my life. Yeah. It's gross. It's fatty.

It doesn't taste of anything. And I'm like, dude, it's true and never fucks this up. Yeah, because they've been around for so long that they've, like, able to engineer it perfectly. This is how chains come around. Yeah. But, like, ramen shops in Japan are like some of the fastest moving. Some of them are good. I like the fatty chosh.

Yeah. I like the ones where I can really funny. Some of them, man, I don't know what they've done to that pork, it's like they abused it before they killed. Arama shops in general in Japan are like the most competitive scene in Japan. Like a ramen shop could be there and then like a month later it'd be gone.

Well, it's because the margins are so low. Like you're selling a bowl of ramen for like, you know, you can't sell a ball of ramen for more than 1,200, 130, 1300 yen. Yeah. Because no one does that. No, that doesn't give you a lot of time to make money. All right, important question though.

What's the best convene? What's your convenience sort of choice? Okay, I started with 7-Eleven, but I think I got converted to Lawson's. Yes, okay, okay. I feel like all the nominees, they start 7-Eleven. And it's like, okay, yeah, the fried chicken's good. And I was right next to the 7-Eleven as well.

Like I had walk out my door, two-minute walk, 7-Eleven. So like I definitely still go there for like the easy ones, but if I could make it to Lawson's an extra like five-minute walk. I always walk the extra distance or drive the extra mile for the Lawsons, because it's just so much better. Yeah. The coffee's decent. the food they have, the sandwiches as well.

Those hot bento things with the Katsu things they have, so good. It's they don't miss. Losson's really up the game. And they're like, they're snacks. They're like own brand snacks. Yeah, they're so much better. They're so good. They're so good.

It's really good. The thing I noticed is that, 7-Eleven has like one or two like good food pieces, I think. And just that's it and everything else is just overshadowed. Family Mart is sadness. All my homies hate family mark. And they're everywhere in total. Only the real ones.

They run Tokyo as well. I think I ever went to a family mart. I'm just in my area, there was none. Yeah, yeah, yeah. I don't know, it's so weird. It pains me whenever someone goes to Japan and they were like, I got some family mart chicken and I fucking loved it.

Family much, it's dog shit, dude. Oh no. It's the dog shit. I'm calling you out Chris. No, Chris is converted to Lawson's. I see? Okay, okay, that's how you know. You only took 10 years. You were telling me that apparently,

like 10 years ago, like Lawson's, just wasn't that good and it was pretty bad and then they had like a massive revamp like five, six years ago. Yeah, right. And kind of just were like, we're redoing everything. Yo, season two, Lawson.

Yeah, so they're like, like, fucking slaps. They just like, like, they just like up the game. And then like now like, they collaborate with like Moji, which is a Japanese kind of like, kind of IKEA, but more minimalist.

Yeah. Yeah. They just have all of like, their really nice stuff in their stores. Like, it's really nice. Like, Rolson's great. Muggy food also slaps. Yeah.

Everything they have there is so good. Yeah. Yeah. What else did you enjoy? about Japan when you were living there. Oh, geez. I mean, we did a stint in Kyoto for like a couple weeks. Oh, actually not a week, but that was like beautiful.

Was there a lot of tourists back, back when you were living there? Ah, I did not see many in Osaka. I did not see many at all. Oh, wow. I went the other week and it was so goddamn. Well, I've heard now, like, post-COVID, all of Japan is just, yeah, yeah.

Like, it's fun, crazy right now. Which makes sense, like, couldn't go for so long. And everybody I felt like had this kind of like, I want to try travel and I think Japan is it for everyone. Yeah. Yeah. What was your biggest culture shock when you go out there?

Like, what was the one thing where you're like, whoa, Japan is epic? Oh, that's a good question. It was the vending machines. Honestly, it was just how good the trains were. Oh, yeah. Oh, my God. Our public transport is dog.

Oh, my God. Yeah. Yeah. No, like they, they so efficient. Yeah. And I think I remember once I was in there in the morning, like 6 a.m. And it was like everybody going to work. and it was like a stampede of like workers.

Oh yeah. It was actually like dystopian. Yeah. Like in unison, they were walking almost like like an army, like just into these train stations. Like that was crazy. Like that was my first, you know, kind of experience with the trains and then like figuring out how it works.

And once you work it out, you're like, wow, this is so efficient and so great. Like like color go here. Yeah, literally. Yeah. It makes sense. I'm curious because you know, you mentioned that your trip got cut

And obviously you were only there for two and a half months. But you must have moved there, maybe when COVID murmurs were kind of already beginning. Yeah. So what was that kind of like that two months of like monitoring here? You probably lived there the same time that we moved there actually. Yeah, that's, we moved there like three months

before COVID hit. Actually, no, we moved in October and then COVID lockdown officially kind of started late April. Yeah, March. March. I think I left February, late February. Oh sure. Okay. So it must have been roughly the same time.

Yeah, roughly the same time. Yeah. I traveled to America. in America in February of COVID. And that was when they started asking, like, it wasn't everywhere yet. There were so few cases dotted around, but they were like, oh, have you been to China

in the past 14 days? Yeah. You're like, no, no, why? And they were like, no reason. No reason. Yeah, no, like I was definitely like every day. Like, I think everybody was, right? Like, especially like being in Asia

when it originated in China, it was like, kind of like, you know, my family were like, well, I don't know if it's- People didn't know anything. Yeah, well, yeah. We didn't know all the dark. And you've seen all these articles and it's like, what I know it would believe this guy,

that guy is a count on a sheet somewhere going up every day. Like what's the count today? Yeah, I don't know, I was just kind of like, I felt like I could have got stuck there forever. And maybe like, I think for you guys, it sounded like it was all right. Yeah, you know what I mean? Worked out for us.

Yeah, yeah. If you'd have stayed, you probably would have been stuck there for the year. Yeah, 100% yeah, a full year. And I didn't know if I was keen to do that. Because like I liked where I lived, but like I lost all the luxuries. Oh, different, yeah, no, it was like,

because it was winter and I was in this, like, I'm not kidding, concrete castle. So like, it was cold as shit. So like- Is it have AC or heating? It had heating, but then you get like super dry. Like, so I tried not to use it and I tried to have all these, like,

I'd use it in combination with like an air or, humidify. Yeah, humidify. Yeah, I thought humidifiers were stupid until I moved to Japan. Yeah, literally same. Okay, never had one before. Yeah, yeah, seriously.

But yeah, like, I missed my space because yeah, you don't get the space in Japan. And I was pretty central to Osaka as well. So like I was really not getting a lot of space. Yeah. But yeah, I was just like, I don't know if I could do this for, right, right,

eight, 10 months, plus like, yeah, it's, I wasn't trying to be in a pandemic in a country where I don't speak the language. Yeah, exactly. Yeah. How did you find like the nightlife there? Because Osaka has a pretty like, good nightlife scene yeah no uh we went out pretty like normal too often but like we definitely

had like good connections so like where my uh girlfriend was working at the time she had like connections with uh the some of the nightclubs running there and so we'd go out and i actually became really good friends with one of the promoters at a couple of clubs and show us all these different clubs and no it was a good time it was a really good time i'm gonna hit them up when i go back for yeah yeah no um yeah shout out my boy mike But yeah, no, I don't know. What did you guys, like, experience going out? Like, I know, I've heard a couple bits of you talking about, like,

getting rejected at certain places and stuff. Some places don't want you. Yeah. Nothing, like, insane. I mean, we normally just go to bars. Yeah. We're not big in a class. Initially, when we moved there, we tried to go to, like, the local Izakiyaz and stuff like that.

And then eventually we were just like, I think I just like bars now, you know? Yeah, I'm definitely in that. bar scene now. Like I just try. If I have to shout to talk to you, it's not fun for anyone. Yeah, no. It's just like every time I have to shout out,

Samim Asen, like, I feel like as a Brit, part of my lifespan just like decrease. Because I know I have to do it, but every day, I haven't gotten used to it yet. So did you get to try a lot of like new Japanese foods? Like that, like, okay, so there's like the normal, like mainstream kind of like ramen, sushi. Did you manage to try like any other like cuisines

that aren't as like popular. So I tried one of those like expensive Kobe beef experiences. Oh yeah, of course. All right, now where do they say they overrated or underrated? Where are we doing? Okay, is Kobe beef overrated? Yes, okay.

Yeah, I can tell you that. I think it is. I think it is. It's great, but it's like, it's kind of a one-off thing, because it's super fatty. Yeah, yeah. It's really rich and really heavy.

It's like a once or twice a year thing, you know? Yeah, I still prefer a normal steak. Like a great normal steak for me is still better than great. like your beef because like wacky beef is I mean it doesn't even taste the same mistake no it doesn't yeah it's fat yeah it's fat with a bit of meat in it but like I had one of those ones where it's like you sit down and they've got the oh tepan yuki yeah yeah and they do that with the Kobe and it was like okay

this is kind of a vibe yeah I did that and Kobe recently and it was I mean it's pretty fucking good yeah you guys would have done a few like surely because you guys do like the Japanese travel video like yeah type of thing like sure you've done a few stints of yeah I mean not even just filming it just you know trying out the experience because of course you have to, you know. And I remember when I did it, they had like the option of just like, you know, the amount of beef that, but you could order an extra large portion as well. And I'm like, I'm getting like the top tier beef, man.

I got to get the extra large portion. And I remember having like half of it. And that half was like the perfect amount. That was like every bite was like godly. You see the fat. And then we got to the extra portion. and it just, it was just too much, man. Yeah.

Like, it started going from tasting, like, godly to, like, this is, I actually feel sick now. Yeah, I had, I made that mistake when the first time I had the olive wagu. Oh. That's crazy. It's more white than pink. Yeah, yeah, yeah. And it's like, the first, like, two or three bites is just like, oh, my God, I'm about to nut. And then, and then the second half, I'm just like, I'm just, like, drinking olive oil.

Yeah. It's just like, I could feel my, like, paws just clump. This is why like Teppaniaki, like a traditional Teppaniaki is the best way to do it because you'll have like a full course meal of like other stuff like veg, fish, all done on this thing, and then you'll have one course of like,

all right, we'll give you a little bit of like maybe fatty beef or whatever. Like I understand why the portions are so small now because like that is the optimal amount. Yeah, the only problem is that it's like fucking two to three hundred dollars. Also yeah, it's so expensive. But if you have a little bit of money,

definitely recommend doing it. Yeah, no. It's definitely worth. What did you think of it? No, it was, it was awesome. But my question, you guys, have you guys done the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, that is,

that's, that, that's overrated. Okay, no, like, what's about, I've heard that you, like, a little sensation, your mouth, like, obviously, you can die, right, but- You're pretty fucking bland when I had it. Yeah. I felt like you did say nothing. It just, it's, it's, it's that, like,

because one, there's no flavor, and two, like, unlike a lot of other sushi where, you know, it's, you can, like, chew it through it, and it's fine. For some reason, fish is like, it's really incredibly chewy, so they have to cut this thing like paper thin. Yeah, right.

Because any thicker and you'll just be, it's like chewing gum. Yeah, that's not what you wanna, no, and it's like, it's like prohibitively expensive. There's like a one in like 10,000 chance you can die from eating it as well. And I'm just like, is it worth it? Sounds like, that just sounds awful.

It's all just for the-stasy. You have to be my humans for just hearing it's poisonous and just being like, we can fight away. We gotta eat. Yeah. Why did we even get here? Like, surely people had to die multiple times before they were like, we, come on.

There must be something in here. Yeah, yeah, yeah. It's like we could just stick to, no, we're doing this. Yeah, we decided. If I had to pick the most overrated Japanese food, it would actually be puffer fish. Yeah, yeah.

It tastes like shit. It's, the only taste you get is the taste of like the soy sauce. And you ate, basically just eat it for the danger, you know? Grill seeking. be a controversial opinion here. I think ramen in Japan is, it's good, but I also think it's pretty good outside of Japan now. Like, I don't think it's necessarily much better in Japan compared to, like,

some nice places. You're getting some good ramen in Wales? Not Wales. Yeah. I think, I think if you pay enough money, yeah, like the more like, I guess, like, not luxury, but like expensive ramen places outside of Japan, I think have gotten to the point where it's pretty difficult to, to differentiate between like one made in Japan, one made outside of Japan. But the advantage that Japanese ramen has is that is the price factor. Yeah, because it's like, for sure,

if you buy like a $10 a $10 in Japan, nine times out of 10, it's pretty fucking good. Right. If you buy a $10 or not, one time out of 10, it's good. Yeah. Yeah.

There's like a bunch, like when I was in Vancouver, they have so many actual just Japanese like, like, uh, sorry like a Japanese like Vancouver counterpart to a Japanese restaurant that exists. Yeah, yeah. So I had like Hokkaido ramen in Vancouver that tasted just like it would in Japan. Well, I think it definitely helps as well

that like Vancouver has such a high like Asian population. Yeah, yeah, yeah. I think that's less to do with Japan and more to do with just Vancouver being like, having an amazing culture. Yeah, yeah, I think that the point I was trying to get at is that like, I don't think if you're coming to Japan, you only got like a week, I don't think you need to get ramen.

I think there's a lot of other stuff that you just cannot get outside of Japan. Yes. Like Unagi, I've never seen outside of Japan. Yeah, it's eel. Eal. Oh yeah, I had it. It's like smoked and then grilled

and then coated with this really nice like sauce. Yeah, kind of like barbecue kind of sauce. Yeah, I had it and I was freaking out because I was like, fuck man, I don't want to eat eel. No, it's so good. Yeah, it was, it was better than I thought it would be. Yeah, yeah. Yeah, I feel outside of Japan,

eel just has this like weird thing. Yeah, I would like, I'm not fucking eating an eating. The dead set there, that's it. Yeah, I would not eat. I think Japan eats like half the world's eels is that crazy. Yeah, I might have been I made that the fuck out. Yeah.

I'd say it's definitely the highest. It's like an insane. It's like an insane amount that Japan eats, like a good chunk of the world's percentage of eels. Yeah, yeah. Like, it's like almost impressive. Because it's the only country that's actually managed to make it good.

Yeah, and they're 100% of the food. So the British tried it and we were just like, let's just put in fucking jelly in it. Yeah. That's so disgusting. I still want to try that. Oh, no, no, you don't. I just want to see how bad it is.

Comes to fucking pie. They put your pie on the side. Like, it can't be good if it comes to the pie on the side. If I'd say one Japanese, food that I think you shouldn't need to try if you come to Japan. Japanese curry. Oh, yeah, I've had so many outside of Japan. Yeah, I think Japanese curry tastes like the same everywhere.

I think so. Yeah, it's pretty easy to replicate. Yeah, yeah, it is. Like, it's one that is of like, it's a nice comfort food. There is a place, there's a place where I'm like, fuck, yes, give me some Japanese curry, but holy shit. If I, I've said, I've said some outrageous things about things tasting the same over my years in trash taste, but I do.

genuinely think that Japanese curry does taste the same no matter where you are in the world. Because it's so easy, right? Yeah. Like, it's the simplest one to make, like, it's like just, you know, just straight up, just the most standardized curry that you can get out of all the different types of curry. And it's like-

Home blocks where you just snap a block. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. And like, you know, cocoaichi as well especially is like almost everywhere now at this point, and it really does just like taste the same everywhere. Yeah. Their cauliflower rice is pretty good. Collie flour rice is doing.

They do like, if you don't want the carbs, you can just get shredded, cauliflower as rice. It's pretty good. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. I don't feel as guilty. Yeah. I was gonna say, have you guys seen the, um, I saw it on TikTok the other week. It was like these frozen ramen packs you can get. And apparently it's meant to be like restaurant quality and like that's what I'm saying. I'm saying. If you go to Lawson's or anything. Yeah. And you have ramen. It's frozen. Yeah. And so that when you, when you put it in the microwave for like five minutes. Yeah. When you're heating up the oil again, it like dissolves and then boils again.

Yeah. Yeah. And it is decent. It's fine. It's better than cup ramen, but it's nowhere near. I honestly kind of prefer cup ramen to those romans. Yeah, really. I've never tried them. I was wondering if you guys have, but yeah, you have. I used to live off them for like two weeks. Yeah, I kind of like, that's a weed diet. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

It's funny because I kind of like got off ramen after I moved to Japan. It was super bad for you. Yeah, it's horrible for me. It's so much so. Because I'd realize after every time I'd have like a big ramen, it would just like kind of like knock me out for a few hours. Because it's not one of those meals where you can just,

you can just have a nice ramen. It's one of, and just like move on. It's just like, after you have a ramen, you need to just sit down for a second. You feel bloated. Yeah, so, I just digest, you know? Yeah. So I actually like have not had much ramen

since I've moved to Japan. I've actually like sushi, I have sushi quite a lot. Yeah. So sushi has not gone down. Oh yeah, of course. What would you guys think is like traditional for like Australian? Like what's the Australian cuisine,

soul food kind of here? Uh, Chicken palm maybe. Yeah, chicken parmi. I was gonna ask, how to hell the chicken parmi like become a staple of Australian cuisine? I think it's just, it's really hard to hate chicken cheese and marinaura, you know?

It's just like that classic like pub feed and like that's, yeah, culture. I like you laugh at beans and toast about us and you have just fucking chicken with cheese. Yeah. Like that's like, well I mean, you know, there's a lot of Aussies who eat, you know, like beans and toast.

Do you? Yeah, I used to have that breakfast all time. Yeah, it's a staple, like breakfast Yeah, beans on toast goes hard as fuck. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. Like egg or cheese on it too? And egg and fancy. That's way too fancy.

Australian, the thing with Australian cuisine is that it's like, it's three ingredients max. Yeah. You know, it's like, oh, we could have, you know, like, we could get really fancy with Avo on toast, but why not just have Avo and toast? And that's it. Maybe little crack, salt and pepper, maybe. Yeah, maybe if you're feeling fancy, you know.

Yeah, you're getting crazy and that's getting great. It sounds like British cooking. You're like, what the fuck? Like, I guess, like, like, what's the fish that we have here that, Barramundi. Yeah, barramundi. Yeah, that's, that's like a pretty staple, like pub feed here. Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah.

Like, you fish, yeah, it's pretty good. Yeah, it's pretty good. Yeah, it's pretty good. Like a Barramundi like burger or like, like, even just like, you can get all sorts of like barramundi in like pubs and stuff like that. It's pretty fucking good. Coffee culture here is my favorite.

Yeah, no, yeah. Yeah, we make coffee. Especially here in northern. It goes so hard. It goes so hard here. I remember the first time going to America getting coffee and be like what the fuck is this year. Like Starbucks is this massive conglomerate comedy.

I'm just like they're just serving the worst coffee ever. You don't want to have coffee in Japan. I actually, wait, I thought it was right. I think Starbucks in Japan was actually alright. Yeah, which is like, yeah. Anywhere outside of Starbucks, it's shit. Well, no, there's this, there's some like, because what is it, coffee's on the waves, right?

So coffee's on wave, like the wave three, which is like the-season three. Well, it's like, yeah, it's like, It's like the minimalist coffee, right? If you go in, it's all concrete, wood, and then those kind of places are normally pretty decent because they're all espresso based. I feel it's a gamble though,

because I've been to some really fancy looking coffee shops in Tokyo where it's like the outside looks pristine. Like you think it's been there for like hundreds of years and it's just like the guy's just like professional about it all. And then you pay fucking, you know, 15 bucks for a cup of coffee and I'm like, this is just dirt water. I got already annoyed one time

because I went to one that was kind of like similar. Yeah. And it was like a, again, It was all minimalist concrete. And he had an espresso machine there. And I was like, okay, let's go. Yeah. And so I asked for a coffee.

And I'm like, can I have a, can I have a coffee? And so he just whips out like a pour over kit and starts pouring over. And I'm like, dude, right behind that machine. That's a full looks. Yeah. I'm like, dude, I thought it was going to be espresso. I wanted espresso. Such a first world problem.

Such a first world problem. But I was just like so sad. I was like, no. Were you, did you ever, one, one like very common thing with anyone who, like, goes to Japan for the first time and lives there for a period is the venue machine coffees. Were you ever on that or?

We dabbled in the boss a little bit. Yeah, we dabbled, we dabbled. Boss man knows, man. The boss don't miss it. I mean, what was the one I really like? The one that had like the milk in it? Rainbow one. It would not, oh, that one was good too.

Yeah, yeah. But it was like, it was like, creamy caramel color on the outside. It's crazy how many variations there are of canned coffee. Yeah. And a lot of them are very, very sweet. But like again, I was in the winter as well and it was like hot.

Oh yeah, yeah. They're coming out hot, so it's like, hit if I do like the stabbing ones from the combini, you know where you, the cartons. Oh yeah, yeah, yeah. Non-sweetened ones. Or they just call it espresso, even though it has milk. Yeah, right. Yeah, those are good.

Sometimes in the winter I would not even like drink the coffee. I would just go to a bethning machine. and just buy the whole coffee and just use it as a hand warmer. Yeah, yeah. I remember when we went camping once, we went camping like in like near Mount Fuji. It was fucking freezing. It was in Genu-I.

And we didn't have any hand-warmer, so what I did is just, I went to the vending machine, fucking brought like six coffees and just like dipped my coat in like all like, like dipped, put all the coffees, like in my coat and just slept with like a blanket of like boss coffee. And that- Shout out the boss would a wards.

Yeah, that's a boss, man. The boss called me. You made sure I didn't freeze at night, yo. You got it all, man, you got it all. So what do you think is like, what do you think is the future, like the next like two, three years for yourself? Oh, that was crazy.

That was a good transition. Yeah, that's, like, what's your coffee to? What were you doing? What are we doing? What's the five year plan? So I reckon here's the plan, right? All right. I got like the next six months,

that's the best I give you. Yeah, because yeah, I never was thinking six months ahead of time. Um, six months. So next couple months, do some traveling, enjoy life. Vacation a bit. Yeah, come to Japan as well. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Just late July, August. So this is a little after that. But yeah, we'll keep, we'll keep it going. Um, yeah, just going to see a lot of my friends overseas. They got a couple bucks stags and weddings going on. So just going to enjoy that. Come back. Studios ready. Grind. Like, I'm going to hit. So I've hit like a couple hard grinds in my career. So like starting off in Minecraft like, like, grinds. Grind. Biggest grind going.

You know how they have that thing where it's like, you know, you can pick work, friends and then like family or something and it's like pick two, I think. Isn't it rest? It's like work, family and rest. I think that one's the one too. Is it that one? Fuck, I don't know. Anyway, well, the thing was I picked work

and then I picked work again, so it doesn't matter. That's just YouTubers. Yeah, that's it right. But that was like, yeah, first four years was biggest grind ever, took a little bit of break. Yeah. Pokemon Go came out. Big grind.

Fortnite came out massive like four year long grind. Yeah. Yeah. I'm tapered off last year. Um, and I'm gonna come back. I'm gonna hit one last grind. The last grind. Season four final. Season four grind.

What was the attack on Titan do? Like the part two of the season four. Like, I don't know how the grind. The grind. The last grind that last like 10 years or something, you know. It's like, okay, this is the last grind season six. The final grind part one. Tune in, tune in.

Final boss. Have you had a point where you're like, this is the last year, this is the last grind and I'm gonna cheer well, I think even this is like kind of very bold as fuck to say this is the last ground at the age of 28. You're gonna grind again. Yeah, I'm not gonna grind again.

We might. But it sounds cool to say the last grind. Yeah, it does sound cooler. But I think that's like the last grind before like you start looking at like the more serious type. What's the next 10 years looking like? Well, you know, you gotta have like, oh, I don't have to, right?

But like in my head, I would like to, you know, one day have a wife and kids. Yeah, you know, I don't think you can do that with that level of grind. So I think this is the season finale of grind before the serious era. Okay, that makes sense. So, yeah.

But I feel like there's a fat, you know, as a married man here, guys. I guess, I guess. It's been zero days. I guess. Yeah, yeah, I'm married. Do you have kids though? No, I don't.

Yes, I feel like that's the big thing. Yeah, I feel like that's the big one. Right now, I guess both me and my wife are grinding. Yeah, love that. Yeah, yeah, yeah. So I feel like the big turning point is when kids come. And but like I feel, you know, even though you have kids, even though you get married or something,

I feel like there's a fallacy to be like, I have to like give up this part of my life. Yeah. Because I feel like there is like, you know, there's been YouTubers who have had kids and built families and not made content around it, like, you know, like a toxic kind of way, you know. So I feel like there is

a way to adjust your lifestyle to, I guess, grow up a bit. No, definitely, yeah, definitely. But like this level grind, it doesn't. Oh no, like the day, the daily uploads, the fucking working every day, 16 hours, that's gonna stop. Yeah, yeah, no, 100%, so yeah, definitely looking to not do that again.

And even then, like, with this one I'm coming back on, it's like I'm definitely looking to outsource a lot more of team and like trying to build, spending this two months to build that team. Yeah, how many people are you working with right now? I think, Between myself and power and contractors, including like players, I'd say I think we're at like 30.

30 and 15. Gotta make some Fortnite videos. Yeah, but that way, but this is the thing with the orgs, right? Like, it's just so many people that's where it comes out of. And I'm like, I think we're doing well. Like outside of myself, we're not profitable yet, but we're like very close. When you think you're probably not bleeding money is.

Yeah, no, I'm not. I hate losing money. Yeah. Me too, me too. How long do you think you'll need before you get profitable in terms of like your youth sports? I reckon if I'm not profitable next year, that would be amazing.

Like we're close. Like I think like our investment in this studio office is the, I think if we didn't do that, I think we actually would be profitable. Okay. So it's like a reinvestment. Okay. So we're like, we're close.

Okay. Yeah. Awesome. Well, dude, thank you so much for coming on the show. Yeah. Tell us all about it. Yeah. Educating is a bit on the Fortnite and...

It's not that overrated. It's a little bit. It's not. No, it's not. But yeah, you'd like to check out Lockland's stuff, then obviously I left it in the description below, so make sure to check it out. Hey, look at all these patrons though.

Yeah, look at them all. You see all these patrons on screen right now? It's so many. Yeah. Who do you think is a Fortnite player out of these guys? Uh, this guy. He's like, fuck, how do you know? Yeah, I was like, fuck, where are they?

Is that anything we want to shout out yourself? Uh, no, but I mean, I mean, hey, if you guys could get behind power whenever you see us playing any games, very much appreciate it. We are the underdogs. I'm a new fan today, three new fans. Yeah, yeah, yeah.

I appreciate it, boys. Get a bit of Aussie pride in them. That's it, that's it. And even if you're not Aussie and you just wanna support the Aussie boys, get behind us on the next land. And yeah, make sure to stay tuned for the final season. All right.

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