Trash Taste Podcast - Our Viewers FORCED Us To Play This | Trash Taste #227

Episode Date: October 25, 2024

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Welcome back to another episode of the Trash Taste Podcast. I'm Connor once again joined by the boys, Jerry and Gantt, and today, we're facing off here. Conn is on muffin mode today. I'm not on muffin mode. The muffin hasn't hit you. It has a succulent muffin. So obviously what we thought was one of our best episodes

in a long time. And you guys seemed to also really love the idea. It's also our longest episode. Yeah, one of our longest episodes. We took suggestion, well, that one we suggested stuff for each other to watch and play. This time we thought, well, we'll give you guys

some of the powers, so he actually goes over on Patreon. What is the one thing you want to see is play, watch, read, whatever it be. Experience. Experience. And so... And it could be like a movie, a book, a visual novel, an album, it could be anything. So we picked out the top three most requested for each one of the members of the trash days.

Well, that's one we're doing three this time. We're doing three this time. And we basically have to consume whatever you asked us to for at least an hour. Yep. And we recorded our full reaction to everything, which you can head over to our Patreon. You will see our full reaction to everything you requested that we are about to talk about.

If you want to see that for yourself, go to patreon.com slash trash taste. And some of these were requests for multiple people to watch or play. And some of them were just for a single person. So I think Gart and I shared one. I shared one with Connor as well. Oh, okay.

Yeah. Did I share one with you? I don't think so. Yeah. So do we all wanna say which three we had, things we had to watch. Sure. So I had to play Eldon Ring.

Okay. Had to watch SpongeBob for the first time. Oh yeah, you never watched SpongeBob. And I had to read or Yasmi Pun Pun. Right. What about you, Jay? I had to also play Eldon Ring. Yes.

I had to watch the remaining, I guess, two episodes of Arcane, because I only watched the first episode. So you have to watch the episode three. First arc. Yeah, I did the first, I did the three episode test for Arcane, and I also did the three episode test

for Judas Sikaisen season two. Oh, okay, okay. What about you? I had Oh yesomee Pumpun, yeah, I had fire punch, yeah. And I also had Persona Five. That just sounds like a great weekend. That's an amazing weekend.

Well, I have my thoughts, but let's start with Eldon Ring. I think Elton Ring. You want to start with Elton Ring. Because I want to know, offer it. How long did you play for? Okay, so first off, I got a, confession, so I didn't actually record my reaction to it

because the week of, I had promised my chat that I would stream it for like ages and I finally streamed Eldon Ring for the first time. Then I got to the weekend where we were meant to watch and play all the stuff. I was, I looked at the list, I was like, whoopsie, whoopsie Daisy. You definitely played over an hour though.

You streamed for a long time. The first time I streamed it, I played for seven hours. And I don't think I was, I played for seven hours. And I don't think I experienced a lot of it. Okay, okay. So what was your experience, Joey? I played, I think it was just under an hour. So mine is split up into two parts here.

Because I had it on my PS5 for the longest time. But I guess there's a part of the game you can't access until the full game gets downloaded. And for some reason, my PS5 just shit itself trying to download this game. So I did like the tutorial part. Which, by the way, I'm just gonna say right off the rip, okay? Yeah.

I think this game deserves all the praise and flowers it gets, right? Yeah. It looks sick as fuck. The world is so fucking cool. But here's one massive problem. Yeah. I am not a gamer. If you guys go on the Patreon,

it is one hour of man's struggles to play video games because I just couldn't play this game. I'm just not, it's like, it's like playing this game has made me realize I am not built for games like this at all. I do not know how to play this game. What do you mean? Wait, wait, Joe, Joe.

Like, I was struggling to play this game. So did you die during the tutorial boss? See, what even is the tutorial boss? Okay, so go back. Is it a big motherfucker? No, no, so if you go back to the, did you drop down the hall at the beginning? That takes you to do that.

Oh, yeah, yeah, I did. That's in part one, right? Yeah, that's in part one. And this guy? So did you beat the first boss of the game? I just saw him fight him. The guy with the big sword and shield guy. Yeah, yeah, yeah.

Oh yeah, I beat him. Did you die at all? I died once. Okay. This guy, right? Yeah, I died, I think I died once or twice maybe. All right, all right. Yeah.

But yeah, so I beat this guy. Yeah. But then once I actually, you know, got into the actual game, I've just, I don't know, I just struggled to play the game. I died so many times. It wasn't even fun. That's the point, Joe.

I know. That's the point of the game. But like, but like, so I was like, okay, am I just an idiot? I get so pissed off there whenever I play a JRP and I never lose a fight. I'm like, why have you designed it that baby Google Gaga can do this? Right. Like you, I should be having to stop, rethink my team, and like plan around. But with this one, but I think here's the, I think here's the biggest thing, right?

Um, I hate games that stress me out. Okay, and it stressed you out. And this stressed me the fuck out. Just because like I wish, here's the, I'm actually so disappointed. Like playing this disappointed me. Not because the game is disappointing. I was disappointed at myself.

At how fucking terrible I was at this game. I wish I was good at this game. But that's the whole point of the game. You start on terrible, Joey. Yeah. Everyone starts up trash. But here's the thing. I play games to relax, not to stress out.

For me, that is relaxing. It's the complete opposite for me. So let me. Let me say my, have you ever played any like Soulsborn or Soulslike game before? Yeah, so here's the other thing, right? That's fucking weird. I've beaten Bloodbourne before.

You've been Bloodborn and you had a hard time with this? I know, so I thought like, oh, okay, it can't be that much harder, right? Apparently it is. Or either that or since Bloodbourne came out to now, my gamer skills have just fucking deteriorated. How old were you played Bloodbourne? When did Bloodbourne come out?

I don't know. I played it when it came out. Okay, because I've heard from many veterans that Bloodborn is actually a much harder game. Really? I've heard it's an easier game. Really? Yeah. Normally when a Souls veteran talks about Bloodborn,

it's a much more faster-paced game. Yeah, but that's the thing. I've heard like it's easier than a lot of Souls games because with a lot of Souls games, you have to be patient with the combat, whereas with Bloodborn, it almost encourages you to just go for it. Yeah. A lot more than a Souls game.

That is one thing I noticed about Eldon Ring. Yeah. Because my only experience with Souls like games is I played a bit of Dark Souls 3. Yeah. Ages ago didn't complete it. I only played like, you know. Yeah, I played a bit of one and three, never finished it.

Yeah, yeah, yeah. I just played a bit. So I knew like the basic mechanics, which a lot of newbies might miss out on, which is like, oh, you gotta roll with like, you have eye frames when you roll, and then you block and then you can like circle around the enemy and so.

So I came into this thinking, I played Dark Souls 3 before. I know the kind of the basics, right? Right. And I fell for the fucking baits. I fell for the baits because did you fight that massive golden fucking horse, like guy on a horse right as you go out

of the main first area? No, I saw that guy and I was like, nah. But instead what I did was I listened to the first NPC that you meet once you go out and it's like, follow the Grace's light. And I was like, oh, okay, it's going towards this gate looking thing. I'll go to the gate. I go to the gate and I was like,

oh, there's like six or seven dudes here. I'll take him out one by one. And then before I know it, giant golem dude just shows up and I was just like, never mind. I'm not going anywhere near here. Now, you can always beat everything.

Yeah, I know. But here's the thing, Connor. I'm not a gamer. I get too stressed out. It breaks my heart. I wanted, dude, I wanted to enjoy this game so fucking bad. And I just, I cannot. Yeah.

But in saying that, I fucking love everything about this game. It's just a me problem. You played. You can't you put. Okay, so my experience with Eldon Ring is I streamed it for the first time. Played it for seven hours. Five of those hours was on one fucking enemy. Oh, really?

I spent five hours on the tree sentinel. Me too. Did you actually? I spent four hours on the tree sentinel. See, I didn't even get there. It's a right of passage. I feel like it is because I was like, I could run away because I knew,

I knew that everything about the game was screaming to me, run past this guy. You are not meant to fight this guy right now. But just something in me just kept, and this might be my downfall with Eldon Ring, something in me just kept going, I ain't a bitch. I ain't a bitch.

That's the best part of Elden Ring. In my opinion, is fighting those bosses you're not equipped to and trying to like outskill them. Right. Yeah. So I actually have, um, I actually have like two varying opinions of Eldon Ring because I think it is a fantastic game.

And I've now put about 30 hours into it. So I've played a bit, I've played a bit in one week. In one week. God damn. I got, I got a bit addicted guys. Not gonna lie.

Not gonna lie. I got a bit addicted. So what happened is I did two streams of it. And most of the first stream, was beating the first horse guy. The second stream was basically beating the first boss and getting to the area of the second major boss because there's a lot of bosses in Eldon Ring

but there are a few bosses that are like, you need to get past. Yeah, yeah, mandatory. That are mandatory. God's slime. Yeah, yeah. And you can see like the exact moment when I'm like, oh, I'm in this, I mean, this.

Because how long did it take you to be? the first major boss in the game, Margaret? I would have to check the Vod. I wanna say it was less than a tree sentinel. I think it was like two. Oh, it was definitely less than the Tree Sentinel for me. Two, maybe an hour and a half.

What was your strad going into it? I don't know, my head, because you know, you see those videos of like dudes with like level one characters. Yeah. That beat the hardest boss in the game. And you're like, everything's a skill issue. Yeah.

It's never an armor issue. Yeah. It's always a skill issue, and I always try to think about that when I was in it. I was like, it's not that I don't have the tools, it's that I just didn't have the skill. Yeah, I just didn't have the skill. And I need to get better.

So I would always, maybe a lot of the time I was running suboptimal. Because like for like 80% of the game, I ran a strength build with the guts sword. Right. And it was just hard. And then I swapped to like the blood build. And I started fucking killing bosses so fucking quick. It was ridiculous.

I was like, damn, this kind of actually sucks. Because I feel like the bosses are just not fun now. Yeah, because I had, I had, a similar, similar experience to that, where I fucking struggled beating obviously the tree sentinel and the first major boss because I basically just like speed ran it. Didn't do any exploring and I just like speed ran the entire thing. Went to the boss. Yeah, I spent most of my time exploring because I was just like, if I go into combat, I'm going to die.

See, I kind of realized playing Eldon Ring. I think I just want a boss rush game because, because what happened is I beats the first boss and I had this like awakening in me because I, you know, the general strap was to basically, you know, whenever you, whenever an enemy attacks, you learn their attack patterns, then you time the dodgers and you have like punish windows to get some of your own attacks in.

And I'm like, I feel like I can bury this. I feel like, I don't know, I feel like I can do this with parrying. And like my first like hour or two of like beating this, of like attempting this, this boss, even though I had like the samurai build, which was apparently not even like a parry build or whatever. I was, I, I just like banged my head against the ball. And I was like, no, no, you don't understand.

You don't understand. When I'm gonna have that fucking Naruto moment where I figure out parrying and that's gonna be the run. And that's gonna be the fucking run. And then the exact moment. It's like when you learn to perfect guard in Smash Bros. Yeah, yeah, yeah. It's just like, oh, okay,

There it is. And then I just, after about like an hour or so, or like an hour and a half of just banging my heads against the war, I just felt something click. And can you, can you type of, I need to show you guys this, can you type of my Twitch channel? Cause I haven't uploaded the Vod, yeah.

Yeah, see, that's the thing, right? It's like, I feel like with a little bit more time and dedication, I might have gotten to that point. But for me, after an hour, I just didn't get to that point. Yeah, no, no, the two hour, two hour one. One next to it. Oh, this one? That one, that one.

Yeah. Let me. I think it was around, yeah, no. 206 an hour in. God damn. Yeah, yeah, most of these are on the tree sentinel. So this is the guy? No, that's Margaret.

Yeah, that's Margaret. See, I didn't even get this one. So it's just like a couple out. This is like six, seven hours. Oh, okay. Yeah, yeah. So I had this, I had this moment where I think it's, I think it's a, I think it's a,

I think it's around here, right, where you just like, you just like kind of enter the flow state. And I remember, I remember the feeling, here we go. I parry here once and I'm just like, and you get the crit down and you, you are on a high. The sparkle of his eye. Yeah, yeah, you're on high, wait, wait, wait, it keeps, it was literally that narrow to a moment where you also

I do it again. Oh my God. Oh, my God. And then I do it again. Oh my God. Oh, he's so locked in, dude. And then the fucking, the, fucking, the, fucking rush that that gave me was like,

was like, unbelievable. You were also like dodging into him, which is like a hard thing to learn. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. Always dodge your way. It takes a long time to teach yourself, dodge into stuff. Yeah, you're definitely more gamer than I am.

That was fucking gamer, bro. Yeah, that was gamer shit. Did you do that intentionally? Yeah, yeah, yeah. Because, okay, you don't understand. I had been trying this. Yeah, this was like 43 minutes into the stream and this is like the second stream.

So I was just banging my head against all, but going like, no chat, you don't understand. I can do it. I can parry him. I can parry. And this was the run where I managed to beat him as well. Nice. So like that, that like awoke something in me. I've gone for a parry build now, which is like, the fucking- That's like the hardest way to-

That is the hardest one. I'm saying it right now. It is by far the, like the builder has gone on me like the most deaths ever. I just went the guts spilled. You want the guts built? Every time I got an option, I was like, all right, strats. Yeah.

But here's something that I've got, I found like, I wouldn't say like a problem, but I definitely made some parts of it like less fun. So I got to the second boss, right? I stopped the stream because I was like, okay, I would do the next boss on the next run. But like I was like addicted to the game. So I was like, I'll do a bit of a-

Exploring off-stream. And I ended up doing a lot of exploring off-stream. And so what happens is after doing all this exploring off-stream, I think I would just ended up being over fucking leveled for the second boss. Yeah, it can happen. Yeah, yeah, yeah. So this was me not trying to-

You unintentionally grinded. Yeah, I unintentionally grinded by just exploring and exploring the world and unintentionally like just leveling up. And then I was like, fuck it, I'll just try doing the second boss anyway. And I did it on the first try. And it just didn't give me that same satisfaction as that moment gave me. because by exploring, I'd unintentionally made the game easier for myself, right?

And the exploring, the exploring was fun, but not as fun as that for me. And then that's when I realized, I think I just, I think instead of like the exploring, like, the thing I liked about the bosses or the boss rush games is that there's mostly just like one difficulty. You don't have, you don't have an opportunity to make the game easier for yourself. It's just, this is the difficult. level and this and you have to find a way to beat that difficulty level, right? And with Eldering, it's great

because there's so many different builds, so many different ways to make the game easier. There's different spells, different abilities. And then at that point, you are essentially imposing difficulty on yourself. You're like, okay, this time I'm not gonna do a summon run. Okay, I'm gonna do a strength build for this. Okay, I'm gonna- Yeah, you put it on yourself.

Yeah, so you put it on yourself and that, that, that for me, that aspect of that aspect of Eldon Ring is actually less appealing to me because I would rather, I would rather like, you know, thinking about it, I'd probably enjoy Sekiro more, I think, now that I think about it. Yeah, it's literally a game about parrying.

Yeah, yeah, one is literally a game about parrying. Two, I've heard there's like less broken builds in like Sekiro than there is. I've done the first two hours of Sekiro like five times. Right. And just haven't, I need to just finish it. Yeah. You gotta finish that game.

And also, I, you know, to defend my boy Joey as well, I don't know if I enjoy exploring the open worlds as much as other games, because Joey's right, it's stressful. It is stressful. It is stressful. Yeah, I mean, I look back at my time, because I don't know how many hours I put in total,

but it was definitely like 60 plus. And I definitely loved every hour of it, I'm near certain, because I would play for like 15 hours straight. Yeah. And I would like not look away. I'd be like fucking, you know, fuck. Like, I think because the exploration, especially maybe after the first couple hours or so,

almost every corner you turn this something cool. Yeah, something interesting happens. You're like, huh, you're like, oh, what if I just open this, like, I go in this room and just check this barrel, and you shut the barrel and fucking Gandorth, the fucking great appears behind you, and you're like, that's fucking sick, I never would have found that. And you're like, all right, I'm gonna go back and kill his ass.

Yeah, and I think that's the best part of like, of like, like, the kind of like exploration and the magic of discovering something. Yeah, also the world is just so fucking cool. Yeah, the world is fucking cool. Like I really enjoyed the exploration part because again, it was like, I was like, I just wanna see more of this world.

Like I could be, I could sit here and try and kill this one thing for like an hour straight. Yeah. But I was like, nah, I just wanna see more of the world. Yeah. Yeah. The thing that I, the thing that I personally don't, you know, gel with in that aspect is the idea that that basically anything can kill you at any time. Even if it's just like a MPC guy, you know.

Yeah. Because when I'm exploring the open world, I always feel like I have this anxiety with me. You know what I mean? Especially- It'll go the more you play. Sorry? It'll go the more you play. Okay, because I have not been able to play this game

more than like, aside from like, if I'm doing a boss, more than like four hours because exploring the world is like mentally taxing for me. Because like with the boss, I'm like, okay, I'm doing the same thing over and over. I just need to do one activity. I'm locked in. But we've exploring the open world.

It's almost like I'm playing a horror game, you know. It kind of is. I mean, I kind of is. No, I had, no, I totally get that because I had that moment where I'm like, all right, you know what, fuck this like giant golem thing. I'm just gonna go explore what's around this area and I find this like little cave

and I'm like, oh, sick, haven't gone in here, let's go in. I wanna see what's in here, you know, there might be something cool. Immediately get mauled by three wolves. And I'm just like, oh cool. I mean, it's just a skilled it. It is a skilled it.

It is. I mean, I feel like, I feel pretty comfortable because the bonfires are pretty regular. Yeah, right. So you kind of get a very comfortable way of mapping out the world. Yeah. I know, it's the, okay, I wouldn't have so much anxiety

if I just, I don't know if it's something in me, but the whole mechanic where you lose the souls or the ruins that you have once you die, that gives me so much fucking anxiety. Because I'm just like, what if I go somewhere that's really hard to get the ruins back? And even if it's just like, a thousand ruins or something,

that's once that number starts building up, the anxiety starts building up. Yeah. And I do not like that feeling. I don't like that feeling. But I guess that's like a mechanic, right? Yeah, that's a mechanic. Normally it scales decently well with the area, so you will normally, you know,

not have to worry about it too often. Right. Yeah. I can't recall me of worrying about it, so I'm guessing it wasn't that big a deal when I played. Yeah. I don't know for sure though. Oh no, that's my like number one anxiety

when playing this game. You'll get plenty. You'll get plenty. I'm like, what if I lose all these rules? And then like later on, you'll find areas where you're like, I can get a fuck ton by going here. Okay, okay, okay. But yeah, I mean, aside from that,

I fucking, this was, obviously I'm like addicted to the game. I still haven't done the DLC, I've been meaning to. I've been putting it off because I wanna find, like, three days straight to do it. Yeah. And it's just hard to find three days in a row now where I'm available. Yeah, exactly. Because I think I'm gonna, you know,

I'll stream this when I feel like it, but I definitely don't think I want to stream this like every moment of the game just because, immerse yourself. Yeah, yeah, I feel like I lose a lot when I'm on stream, especially when I'm exploring the open world, but when I'm just like banging my head against the boss, I fucking love that.

It's just, I don't know why. It's fun. Yeah, yeah. Because you can see the improvements. Yeah, yeah, exactly. Every time you go to his health bar a little lower than last time, you're like, I'm getting better.

I'm getting my anime power up. Yeah, because I don't know what strat that you used to kill the tree sent, nor, but like, on my final run, I went, full like regression mode and I was like, I know exactly what I'm going to do for the next like, I was calling it out. All right, chat, here's what he's gonna do.

I'm gonna do this, I'm gonna do this, and I was doing like live like play through of it. And I was like, this is weird. This is weird, but I could actually like tell the flow state that I was in. Right, right. And you're locked in, bro. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

I think for most out in ring players as well, like people watching new people get into it, that is the most fun they'll have watching a new player get into it. Except maybe one of the fight, but that's probably the, when people go over the truth and don't people love watching. Yeah. It's just fun because you're watching someone from zero have to really learn quickly. Yeah, right.

There's one part that I regret not streaming for. Because exploring the world, there are obviously like different bosses and like holy shit moments. Um, and I guess this is like a slight spoiler if you want to go to Eldering completely blind. Joey, I'm sure you don't mind. I'm all right. Um, some of the traps where they send you like half, they send you on the opposite side of the map. Oh, yeah. I had this moment where they sent me

to like the end game area by accident and I was like, holy shit. Where the fuck am I? I love that. You feel so out of your depth. Yeah. Yeah, yeah. Okay.

Because I got sent to like the, I got sent to the capital city, the holy city or whatever it's called. Yeah, I got sent to that. And just seeing like the tree up close, I was like, I should not be here right now. And then just go into like the map and just zooming out and just fucking humbling yourself

on just how massive this game map is. I was like, oh my God, that is a fucking magical. There's some fucking stunning errors in that game as well. Yeah, yeah, yeah. I mean, it is a mass piece of a game without a doubt. There's a lot to get into. It is a lot. And I'm scared for my free time.

It's okay, only like maybe 50 more hours of your life. will be consumed by it. Oh, I'll tell you, that's a short J-LBG. You'll be right. Yeah, that's fine. Did you use summons at all, by the way? Okay, so that was one fight where I use summons, I think. One fight.

You'll know which fight when you get to it. I couldn't do it. Was it too hard? Yeah, I'd put like 12 hours into it. In one fight? One fight. Oh, shit. See, that just doesn't sound like fun.

Was it the very last fight? It's not the very last fight. Okay. The fight you're thinking about, but that's not the last one. Okay, okay. It's actually an option. Oh shit, okay. So, Joey, which, okay, is this like the, so you played Bloodborn, and I'm surprised you completed that compared to Eldon Ring. He's not a gamer anymore, he's lost it.

I think I've just lost it. Did you enjoy Bloodborn? 30, he changed. I did, I did enjoy Bloodborn because like, before I played Bloodborn, I played Dark Souls 1. In your 20s, right? In my 20s, in my youth. And the, and the one thing, like, I think the one problem I had with the game, of Dark Souls that I didn't really have with Bloodborn is again like, it's this idea of you have to be patient in fights. I mean, yeah. And like I've always very much been the kind of person

where I'm like, I just wanna go in. And just like, if I get hit, then I get here, but I can like, you know, grip my teeth and get through it as long as I'm just kind of constantly dealing damage. I suck so much at the waiting fights. I do hate that a lot. Yeah.

Like I will admit there are some fights in Eldon Ring, and I think apparently the DLC is quite bad for this apparently, but you have have to wait so long, like sometimes like 30, 40 seconds for a window to do any damage. Yeah, I suck at first like that. That is just not fun. Yeah.

Like I understand you're trying to make it difficult, but that to me is anti-fun. Yeah. Like I wanna get in. Yeah. It's a good thing you didn't get to the first boss because the first boss, the first major boss of the game, I swear to some of his attacks.

The hard thing about that boss is that his timing is so weird. Yeah. Because his attacks are so slow. Sometimes he'll like slice you really fast. Yeah. And the next fight, the next attack will go. Yeah. And then like, some attacks are like instant and some attacks take five business days to like complete.

And see, that just sounds stressful. I don't wanna do that. But I don't know what it is. For games like this, like that level of stress is where I derive the enjoyment, like the part where I have to be like, if I'm in a game, I'm like this, the moment I have to go like this, I'm like, okay, that's when I'm like, that's when the game is good for me.

Right. Yeah, I just don't like games like that. Whereas like, but it has to, It must be like fair, like, so it's like a fighting game, for example. I'll be like, what the fuck? I couldn't do anything at all against this like silver player online. Yeah, that's why I don't like fighting games. Yeah, I'm like, that's not fun because there was, I don't even know.

That's also a skill issue. Yeah, absolutely, yeah. But like there's no, at least with like, you know, other games like Eldon Ring, I think there are paths that are very viable to you to care about. I will be. Fighting games, I feel like there are a lot, especially if you play online, you get fucking crushed.

Yeah. No one is helping you. And you have to like, you're like, Vod analysis, all right, I gotta blow, frame by frame analysis, yeah. I think you have to like, there's a lot more, it's a lot more involved. No, I am, I, not intuitive.

Yeah, yeah. I will fully admit on camera, I just do not have the skill to play this game. I wish I did. And which is why I'm fucking disappointed in myself. Because I love everything that about the game. Yeah, I mean, I think- But I just don't derive enjoyment out of playing games later.

I think my enjoyment from Eldering is just going to be doing the main story quest. So is cool. Huh? People hated the ending I got, so. Oh really? Don't do what I did. Yeah, because like in terms of like open worlds

that I've really like got sucked into, I don't see Eldon Ring, you know, being more magical to me than a Breath of the Wild or something like that. Because like I said, it's just too, it's just too stressful for me to it. Maybe there'd be some areas of you're like, fuck me, this is kick.

There's some really stunning areas. Okay, I think you're sure, yeah. I'm sure. Because I think right now you're only like 10% not even. Yeah, yeah, probably. And I'm still like fearing every fucking death and you're gonna leave.

That'll leave. Yeah, every corner. Yeah, like I said, like I said, the boss fights, I'm just like, this is magical gaming. The exploration, I'm like, this is also amazing, but I feel like playing a horror game. And I am anxiety through the roof, I don't want, I'm like, I wanna see, but also I don't wanna see as well.

It's stressful, oh my God. Yeah, so game of the year, game with nothing. Yeah, I mean, I'm just not for me. I'm going to continue, did you choose the samurai build as well? I was close to, but I was like, no, Garn's probably gonna pick that. Fuck you. So the first one.

The first one, the default one? The default one. Okay. Just the human one. The Vanguard, whatever the fuck it was called, yeah. I called myself geek though, because I thought it'd be funny. Who did you start, Faskonna? Samurai.

Samurai? Yeah. Okay. I was tempted. I was like, that would be kind of high. And then I realized the bleed is pretty opier. Yeah, the bleed actually got me through the first sentinel flight. Yeah, the bleed is very, very helpful. But then I, the most, I got the gut sword, I used that for like so much of the game

until I found one quite a lot later on. What would you say is the most fun pads of the game in terms of like build or? Dude, I love, even though it wasn't ideal for a lot of bosses, the strength build is my favorite. Yeah. Because you got to see like the boss's buckle when you slam, like, because there's like a jump attack you could spam.

Yeah. And when the boss would like buckle down, it just made you feel so fucking powerful. Made you feel like guts. You're tiny and then you fucking slam this thing's leg and it goes like, and then you're like, all right, if I slam him a couple more times,

I'll get the chance to like do the animation thing where I can't step. The critical, yeah, yeah. And then when you get that, it just feels like God-like. Yeah, for sure. Parrying was out of the wind. You could not parry with that build

because you would go like, he's like, he's coming. Yeah. Yeah, you've already been hit like 19 times. Yeah, yeah. You have to roll and then hopefully you can get a hit in. I think I'm going to, uh,

just commit to parrying. I think that's cool. I'm parrying's gigatad. I think that's my thing, but my death counter is like crying. Yeah, I tried to parry a couple of times. I'm just like not, this ain't it. Yeah, I mean, obviously there's like some bosses that are definitely harder than others.

I think it's a beautiful thing about the game is that like, if you go a mage build, certain bosses, ones that are good at closing distance will really give you a lot of trouble. Yes. But maybe if you're doing a strength build, maybe bosses that are constantly fucking run around the stage, you're gonna be like, God damn it. Yeah, I need you to stand still

for 15 seconds for me to get a swing in. Like, you know, so there's different aspects to it and I think it gives it a lot of replayability in that aspect. Because you could approach that fight and it's like a totally different fight. Yeah, because I'm like, every boss I fight, I'm like, please be a humanoid character,

please be humanoid character. Because every time, every time I come up against like a giant creature or something, my build is like useless. Oh, there's a couple of bosses. You just, I don't even think there are parrots. No, no, no, it's like, I research it a little bit. So if it's like a creature,

then probably not pariable. Yeah. If it's a two-handed weapon, probably not parable either. Yeah, it's not a parry. I'm just like, just give me a guy with a sword and shoe. Yeah, but some of the most important fights are humanoids. Yeah, yeah, yeah. But speaking of video games,

yeah. Pesona five. Dude, you had an hour to play Pesona five. Yeah, so I didn't even. You didn't even get past the tutorial. I don't think so. I'll tell you exactly where I got up to. I got up to the first like,

it was the school had been turned into a castle and the teacher. Kamoshida? Yeah, Calashtar was like in his underwear, and he just got, Oh, you didn't get past the tutorial then. Oh, is it the tutorial? Yeah, yeah.

You just got like, I just got my persona. Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah. So you're at the beginning of level one. Yeah. Yeah. So you just got past the tutorial. That is the persona experience in a nutshell. I will say, I touched the controller like three times

in that hour. I wanna be honest, like the game for the first hour, I won't lie, I was sitting there and I was like, there's gotta be a better way to like introduce this game than to just basically have a movie. Yeah, like annoying text. Well, here's a lot of the text.

I was like, oh my God, come on. Well, here's the secret of persona. It's actually secretly just a visual novel. Yeah, I realized this. It's a visual role. And then the, so, okay, so the first hour of the game, you know, you have the cut scene where you're being chased, then you get caught, taking to the interrogation room,

a very attractive woman interrogates us. And then it's like, you're probably wondering how I got here. Doodle, you know, that way. And then it recalls what happens. And then, you know, we pushed a guy over who was harassing a woman. We go to jail. Yep. Or not jail.

You get interrogated. And then we have to move to another school and everyone's a dick to us. Yeah. And then there's just like weird app on our phone that's like, whoa. And the whole time, I will say the parts when I got. most frustrated was when it was like, go to the house in the first hour, and I was like, why?

You've given me 19 cutscenes up until this point. Why are you making me walk around to someone's door? Just do it, just do it. You know you wanna do it. Well, because they have to give you a game to play. It was like literally go straight, then turn right. And it was like, all right, now a cutscene. I'm like, that's crazy.

Just fucking cutscene the shit. And then when I can actually play the game, wake me up, you know? Yeah. And- This is the exact reaction. I was hoping. And then like, by far the most egregious part of this game, I don't know if it gets worse than this.

And this is the part where I was like, no, you have to be kidding me. Yeah, they were like, go to school. I was like, okay, sure. So I go, I go to the train station. Yeah, and then I get on the train, I'm like, cool, so then I get and it's like, change train station. I was like, what?

Oh, you got to Shibuya? No, no, no, it was like, I had a train, not Shibio, somewhere else. It was like, change to the Ginza line. No, it's Shibio. Oh, okay. It's Shibia. And I was like, what the fuck?

It's a one-to-one recreation of Shibuya station. Is Shibuya or Shinjuku? It's Shibuya. And I was like, what? I was like, you want me to change train? Yeah. And I was like, okay, well, I guess I know how to do that. I live in Japan and I was like following the science

the Ginza thing and then it randomly just stopped. And I was like, what the fuck? And then I tried to go to where it's to go to the Ginza Lanzai and it was like closed for construction. I was like, what the fuck is this? It's like, find another way around. I was like, what? And so I spent like five minutes trying to find the other way around.

And I was like, who is this for? That's the persona experience. And there's, if, the persona experience. And I realized this is for people who just like, this is like a soft-pilling people on wanting to move to Japan. Oh, yeah. Oh, it totally works.

It totally works. I remember. That's all it is, I feel like. Yeah. I was sitting there, I was like, you would only think, there's no way you would think this is cool that you have to change trains and do all this dumb shit,

unless you were like dreamed about your life in Japan. A hundred percent. Bro, yeah, and it, you know what? It totally fucking worked. Because I remember the, The first time I went to Japan on holiday, I just walked around town, put on the persona music, and I was like,

this is the greatest experience I've ever. Fucking phenomenal. Oh, so good. Yeah. Phenomenal. That shit runs so good on PC. Also, it's the most beautiful UI you've ever said. Yeah.

And it looks phenomenal on PC. Yeah. I think, I don't know how it looks on PS5, but I imagine it just runs better on that PC, right? Like, it just looks fucking amazing. Yeah. Sounds great, like, not much to hate on, but I just couldn't believe they made me

train, change the trains. Also, you getting lost in the studio station is the most pivotal persona mode. Everyone goes through this. It's crazy that I've literally know where the Ginzaline is. Yeah. You think you do.

Like it doesn't look like that now because they changed it. Yeah, that's the old Ging's line. Yeah, so because we're not, when we first visited, I think, 2007, no, sorry, when we visited in 2017, that's what it looked like. Which is what it looked like,

and that was when Gant had just finished playing because on that trip, it was like us three and Gant kept bringing out like, I've been playing persona. I know exactly where the Ginza line is. I know where to go guys, don't worry about it. And obviously like, yeah, they updated the Ginza line

for the Olympics. Yeah, yeah, yeah. And I think much easier to get to now. Oh, much easier, yeah, yeah. And they have that big outside area where you can just get to it really easily. Yeah, yeah, I was like, this is why? I was like, why have you done this? Like, this is weird.

Yeah, you could do that, but what purpose does it serve? Immersion. Immersion. No, I understand that. Yeah. It's immersion. But it was not fun. like doing that in real life.

That's because you have to do it in real life. Yeah. That's because you've already been Japan-pilled, so you already- You already- You've already been experienced. It's crazy though, like how they have like this cool combat system

And they constantly just wouldn't let me do it Because they were like, now you have to go and talk to the old man. And I was like, okay, fine, I don't am I doing that. You know, and he's a cool character. Yeah, because a persona is half RPG, half visual. No, it's more visual novel.

Well, you didn't get to the RPG. Yeah, yeah, yeah. But like, it did feel like, when I was playing it, I was like, hmm, it's like, yeah, you would only, like this is like a, I was trying to think like who this was for, because I was like, this is such a weird mix of stuff. Yeah. Yeah.

And, but it's very, very popular and loved. And I was like, man, I just feel like this is hard to get into. Yeah. It's for people who love visual novels and love JRPGs. Yeah. And if you don't love either one, then I feel like games like that are really difficult to play. I like RPGs.

Yeah. And I like the talking hands. But the visual levels, I really don't. So I think that's why you found this frustrating. It was tough. I feel like, okay, so. I mean, it was expected to be honest. Yeah, yeah, yeah.

Because I feel like to truly get into like the gameplay loop, you need to play persona for at least like three hours, I think is like the magic number. I said that on the recording, I said like, look, I would never play a Final Fantasy game for one hour. Yeah, I feel like that's kind of the same treatment where like, if you give Final Fantasy one hour,

you will be bored. Because the first hour of Final Fantasy is setting the stage. Yeah. It's not good. And I said that like with an hour, if persona five, I think it's honestly the worst way to play it.

Because not only do I now have a bad impression of persona that has been cemented because I think it was boring for an hour. Like, but I would think that about any Final Fantasy game, including the three I've played and loved. So like if I had five hours, it might have been a different story. I feel like if you had at least finished

Kamasjitters Castle, then I think that that is the full, as much of a persona package that you can get where you can make an actual discernible decision. Because like the, um, I was gonna say, I forgot now already. I also, a lot of the dialogue initially, I felt like was inconsequential, the dialogue trees.

Like I felt like it didn't fucking matter what I picked. Yeah, some of them are just there. Some of them are just some memes. And I'm like, just, just play the dialogue. Don't give me, I hate fake choices in video games. Yeah. So I feel like you're not adding anything. But here's the thing, but here's the thing

that with Persona, if you play it for long enough, some of them do have actual remarkable way to see this. But you just don't know it. Also, so it's conditioning you to be like every choice is important. I don't know if I'm crazy, but spending one hour Joker, joke is boring as fuck.

He is boring. He is so boring. Yeah, he's boring. I would rather of them just like... Actually, you can say that about most, if not all, persona. I can't think of them, because they're just meant to be like a blank stuff.

Yeah. But I would rather them just give some character, because it was, the most jarring part was that everyone else was voice acting, but my character. Yeah. And I was like, yeah, I know, and I was like, this is just jarring.

Because it's like, I'm having a one-way conversation with a fucking wall. Well, it's because you're supposed to immerse. And also, yeah. I don't know if I'm crazy. I play with the Japanese voice on. Yeah. Some of the voices, I just thought were not good.

Which one? For some of the characters. Like, the fucking goblin dude sounded like ass. Goblin dude? The one when you go to the dream world, the goblin's talking to you. Oh, the goblin.

Eagle. Eagle, eagle. Oh, eagle. His voice changed, though, over the years. I don't think his voice fits him at all. The super deep voice, right? Yeah, it doesn't sound even one inch of how he looks. Because in persona three, he was like,

like, kong it's like, he was very like, yeah. When I saw him, I was like, oh, that's how Sam. Then he just goes like, yes, I'm the cobblet man. I will be like, dreams. The goblin man. And you're like, what the fuck?

There was a lot of voices that I thought, huh, surprisingly, I don't like the Japanese one. Huh. But the old coffee shop man, I loved his voice. Oh, yeah. He was great character. He's the goat. He was my favorite character

in the first hour of the thing. Yeah, he's the goat. I mean, I will say he also had a, Ego also had a deep voice in the English dub as well. But did he sound more goblin like? Cause he looks like a goblin. I want a little bit of, ah, man, to it. Nah, he definitely sounded like a smooth gentleman.

Yeah, but I would say, I was there, there is a reason for that, which you're never gonna get to. But, uh, oh yeah. Yeah, yeah, yeah, I don't know, also like the, I don't know, my, a lot of the stuff was weird in the game, but I, you know, I enjoyed, when I got to play it, I liked it, which is about five minutes tops.

It's like the moment that you, the real persona experience starts is when you have to decide what you're going to do for a day. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. When something isn't just like mandatory, just like you on rails. I felt like the other didn't mean anything right now. Yeah, yeah, exactly. They will reach a moment where you wake up and you're like, what do I want to do today?

Yeah, and it's also like you have to finish this castle within this many days and you can choose to tackle the days in different ways. Oh, it's time management. It's time management, the video game. Yeah, yeah. I didn't really feel like, I know that you can like, like, schmooze characters and romance them.

Yeah. But that kind of stuff doesn't really interest me because I'm like, there's no gameplay benefit to schmoozing. Actually, there is. Oh, that's cool then. So, so by, basically by schmusing characters, and you could just be like schmooze them to be friends.

Yeah. When you've reached like- But not all the characters are playable, right? Not all the characters are playable, but like every character brings you a certain benefits. Oh, that's cool, then. Like in terms like the gameplay mode. Oh, okay, okay, so.

So it's kind of like in Pokemon, right? Like you know how there's like different types. So in persona, there's also different types of personas that you can have. Yeah. And each character levels up a certain type of persona. So if you like certain types of personas to play with, then you best be schmoozing a certain character

that levels that are. Yeah. But also some characters, even if they aren't playable in the game, every character in persona gives you, that maybe sometimes they unlock and you gameplay mechanic. Yeah. That makes fights like a little bit easy.

and some other people make it easier for you to, you know, buy stuff. I can't remember what every character does, but. I just, yeah, I can't, I would love to, and I said this a bunch, and I think, I'd love to get into this game, but yeah, I just can't play a hundred plus hour game. Yeah, yeah, yeah, that's just like, I just can't.

Yeah, that's totally fair. Yeah, and I wish I could, because I'm sure if there was a 10-hour version of persona that felt like the full experience, I'd love it, but, I can't justify it's hard. It's hard, yeah. Because I remember watching a streamer one time who played it and I remember every day

for like a month he was playing it. And I was like, bro, I can't imagine just a month of my time being like, because when I play games, because it's almost like, my thought process and my thought space is almost taken up by what game I'm playing.

Yeah. Because like right now I'm playing satisfactory a bunch. Yeah. And I'm just always thinking about that game because that's what I'm playing right now and I'm not done with it. Right. And so I just, I know I would get burnt out

with persona because I can't, well the kind of guy who can put 30 hours into a game, leave it for a month, and come back. I just can't do that. You can't do that with a persona game either. Really? Okay. Yeah, because there's too much story involved. That's also like, that's crazy that it's like,

you are married to this game. Yeah, you have to play it. If you start a persona game, you need to be dedicated enough to finish it. What year did it come out? 27, no, yeah, 2017, right? Yeah, that's right. The original P5?

Yeah, that's like, That sounds about right. Something like that. Yeah. I liked the, I loved all the menus. 2017. I loved all the menus. I loved all the animated cut scenes.

I loved all the, like the border animations. Yeah, visually it's pretty cool. It's interesting because you think of, I almost think of a percent as a new game. But when you see like the 3D world, you're like, oh yeah, it does feel 2015. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Like it looks 2050 in a way, like a lot of the act-like way.

But it, you know, it was fun. I just wish that I could have had four hours and one hour. Yeah, in a way. And also if it wasn't like a hundred hours, did you play Royal? Or did you play Royal? Royal. Okay.

I think that's the PC version. Right. And that's the longer. That's the longer one as well. So what do they add in Royal that makes it longer? There's two extra levels at the end and the storyline is different. Oh, okay. Yeah.

Because they introduce a pivotal character at the very beginning that completely changes the story. Yeah, so the, did you get to the, is it cheerleading character? No. Okay. No, okay. No, that's after Kamashita. Oh, okay, yeah.

I haven't played Royal, so I wouldn't know. I think it's after, yeah, the first dungeon you meet it. Oh, it's like in between that or something? Yeah. So which is like the game? Like what's the- Royal is probably the more. Like the director's vision?

Yeah, yeah, yeah. It's like the director's cut. Yeah, I would say so as well. That's, yeah, the reason I haven't played role either is because the same reason, just like so much time. Yeah. And it's not a stream friendly game either. It's not something that-

Because no one's gonna like, you know, If someone comes in an hour 80 of Alden Ring, they can understand what's going on. Yes, they don't need a lot of prior knowledge. They just see you fighting one of the bosses, like, oh, I'm a strapping, this is gonna be fun. With, persona'll be like, I don't know who's romance. I don't know what Rudy's going down.

I don't know what he's done. And if you've never seen the game either, you'd be like, can you fill me in on 50 hours of the last 50 hours of gameplay? Yeah, because I remember watching, like I said, I've watched stream and I remember thinking like, what's going on? I don't know what the fuck is going on

at any point in this game. And, but I really, like, as an anime fan, I almost felt like it was my job to like persona. No, not just so when it came out, because it was kind of almost everything I wanted. Right, yeah. It was weep shit, it was a long game, it was cool, and it had so much Japan life stuff.

Yeah, but here's the thing, Connor. Before you get to that stage, you got a complete level zero, which is lacking and respecting visual levels. How much like, what, like, when people play persona, how many of those people do you think are like, percentage-wise that are like just love Japan and like wanna like love Japan? I guess like Japanese.

I'd say a majority, like most of them. Yeah. I mean, I overseas players, I would say. Yeah. I mean, I would say that persona is basically just very, it's like playing an anime, basically. You are playing at the same time, a high school romance, a slice of life. A shonen.

And also a shonen action. It's like all of those things combined into one with the same tropes that you probably, you know, made you. Right. an anime fan in the first place. And you just basically get to- But this time you get to write the story.

Yeah, you get to write the story. Well, yeah, I mean, overall, didn't have that much fun with it, but I think that's more of a- That's more of a time investment thing. It's a time thing. Even as a POSona fan, I know that I will need at least three, four hours to actually get into this game.

Because when I played Pasonia Thorelload, I was like, okay, I need at least a three, four hour time period where I'm free, before I can start playing this game. Otherwise, I'm just not gonna get into it. Yeah, that's fun. Well, two days from now, they're bringing out a brand new one.

What? Yeah, oh, it's not a persona game, but it's made by the same guy who made persona. Oh, okay. But it's a little new game. Metaphor refantasio. Yeah. I'm playing the fuck out of that game. I'd say, I'd say the worst part of Persona 5

is best girl is not romanceable. Really? Oh, the Kifumi? Huh? The Shoggi girl? No, she is romansable. Oh, wait, which one? Which one you're talking about?

I'm talking about, uh, the teacher. Not the teacher, the teacher's remantable as well. The lawyer. The lawyer. Oh, the lawyer. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. I wanted to romance her. Yeah, I was like, I was, the entire time,

I was like waiting in my first play through. Wait, did you see the doctor? The doctor? Oh, he hasn't seen the doctor. Oh, he hasn't seen the doctor. I would think, I would have remembered if I saw the doctor, I'm saying. Yeah.

He hasn't seen the teacher, you haven't seen the teacher. Yeah. If you were to, would, The teacher I did meet. The teacher you did. No, no, but you haven't seen the real teacher. You haven't seen the real teacher. It's like, show me the real teacher.

No, the real teacher. You haven't seen Becky? You haven't seen Becky? Yeah. That's when you were getting hurt. So the other fans know what's up. So TL the R would have loved to gotten into it. Sadly, didn't really enjoy the first hour episode.

Yeah. I mean, look, I think Gart and I and everyone watching this video knew. Yeah. That's what you're thought. we're gonna be, but that's fine. It's flawed, but you know, chat, like, chat, fuck, views. You know, we only have X amount of time

that we can spend. You gotta do over a lot of things. And I would love for it to have been a five hour sesh, get into it, but at that point, you wouldn't hear from me, because I would not have stopped like, so, you know. Yeah, fair enough. Alright, what else?

I watched SpongeBob for the first time. That's wild. You've never watched SpongeBob. I have seen clips, but I have never, but to be fair, sat down and watched a full episode of SpongeBob. To be fair, though, I also watched SpongeBob for the first time during the pandemic.

That's crazy. So I get it. Okay. Okay, so- I didn't grow up with Nickelodeon. Yeah, nor did I. How did you choose what episodes to watch? So first off, I chose the first two episodes.

Okay. And then I went online and I was just like, what are some of the most or best iconic episodes of SpongeBob? Then I just start watching like random episodes. Right, right. So I, well, each episode is like two episodes, right? Yeah.

So it's split into two episodes. Did they keep that throughout the whole show? I don't know. Yeah, I think so. Every, everyone I watched, I was just, you know, every 20 minute episode was split into like two, many minutes, yeah, two 10 minute episodes by himself.

It's been so long since I watched it. Yeah. But I mean, that was my childhood. Mm. So, I'm jealous. It was fun. Yeah. So here's my experience watching SpongeBob. Every fucking five minutes, I'm like,

oh, oh, I've seen that before. Oh my God. I did not realize, like, I'm using analogy. Watching these first few episodes of SpongeBob kind of like, to me, felt like my equivalent of someone going back and watching the first few seasons of The Simpsons, where you do not realize how much prevalence

it has in popular culture, where how much like, even like beyond the memes, right? Even beyond just the screenshots that you see on Twitter. Just like sayings or like fucking impressions or characters. SpongeBob truly is like every frame is a painting. Yeah. Like literally you could pause it at any moment of any episode and you'd be like, that could be a mean. Yeah, right?

Like I could use that. I did not realize that. It's crazy. Like so in the first episode, I was, uh, in the first episode in the second half of the episode, I saw the episode where SpongeBob goes to meet that like squirrel girl. Sandy. Sandy. but she's obviously living in, like, her own glass, glass, igloose. The pinky! The pinkie!

Is that the one where he like goes in and he's like, I need it? Yeah, yeah, yeah. I didn't actually realize that was from SpongeBob. Yeah, yeah, yeah. I was like what he said, I need it. I was like, I don't need it. I don't need it. Ain't no way this is from SpongeBob.

And the fucking screenshot of him being like shriveled up, like sharing in popular meme as well. I forgot about that. And just like, sometimes, you know, SpongeBob will just cut away to this, like, fucking 4K RtX on render that is just like, so fucking memeable. And I don't know what it is, but, yeah, it just, it, I could basically see why this became so big in, like, popular culture and why this became a lot of people's childhoods. It has aged tremendously well. It has. I was genuinely surprised how funny it was. It's really funny.

I thought I was gonna watch like a kids show, you know what I mean? Like a kids' kids show. But I was surprised that's like how a lot of these stories not only had like a good lesson at the end, like you want kids to have as well, but was also generally funny with good chemistry between the cast.

See everybody, it's that like whole meme of like, everybody who grows up watching SpongeBob relates to like the fun and jovial side. of SpongeBob and Patrick and like characters like that. So you think it's like a kid's show. But then when you actually grow up as an adult and watch SpongeBob, you relate to Squid Word at a fucking molecular level.

Like you're just like, holy shit, I get it now. I mean, Squidward's just chilling, man. Every main cast character is very good in that show. Yes, they kind of like knocked it out of the park. Yeah. Because I feel like if I was Goodwood living next like SpongeBob and Patrick, I'd be like, fuck. I'd be depressed too.

Fuck this shit, man. Fuck this shit. Because I saw the, I saw that episode. I saw the one where they blow a bubble or something like that. Well, he makes a stand where it's like 25 cents to blow a bubble. And Squid was like, that's fucking stupid. Oh yeah. That's the one where like, that's my episode is my favorite scene where like,

that's the one where like SpongeBob does like a 20 step move to like blow the bomb. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, right? And then he like blows an elephant. And this is this scene, it's so dragged out. He like blows this elephant, it's this giant elephant that goes flying away. And just fucking, Patrick just goes,

oh, it's a giraffe! Oh! And he just laughed for like 40 seconds, and it's just so funny. I don't understand why. I was just watching that. And I was like, I've heard so many people, like, redo this laugh, but I didn't realize that.

This came from SpongeBob. It's a giraffe. It's just so dumb. I remember I was genuinely laughing watching that episode as well. Partly because I was like, oh, this is where the iconic laugh comes from. But also, it is also genuinely funny as well.

What other episodes you watch? Watch an episode where they deliver pizza or something like that. There's this fucking wild. where they have to fucking, they deliver this pizza and then they get lost, right? Yeah. Or they go to the bikini, the bottom of bikini bottom?

Is that, it's like the valley, right? It's like the valley, right? Because Spondrop is like, we need to follow the moss to get back. Bottom deep or something? Yeah, something like that. Like, we, we need to get back to the, we need to follow the moss to get back to the town.

And then they just end up getting fucking lost and it's just SpongeBob and Squidward. And then it ends with just like, SpongeBob be like, I can drive this rock. Do you remember? I do remember that. And then Squidward was like, what the fuck you're talking about?

You can't drive a rock? And then he just drives his rock. And I'm just like, what the fuck am I watching right now? Is that the one as well at the right at the end where they finally deliver the pizza to the guy and they forget his drink? Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. And it just goes insane. Yeah, and then he just goes full fucking Karen.

Yeah. And I'm just like, and Squidward actually fucking stands up for SpongeBob. Which is what I say. That was a good like shorts. short, that was a good short story. God, every episode, man. Yeah, yeah. What else?

What other episodes? I watched an episode where SpongeBob, like, he, SpongeBob, like, he's up by the lake or something. And I don't, I don't know what the science is behind having a lake underwater. But it's the one where he goes up and there's this, like, buff lobster dude. Oh, yeah. Larry the lobster. Larry the lobster.

And that, it's the origin of the meme, like, observe. I was gonna say, I hope you watched, I was literally about to say, I hope you watched the episode where, yeah, he rips his pants. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. That's like, I don't know why, that's memories, like, episodes burned in my memory.

So good. And then they go into like a fucking musical number at the end of that. Do you remember this? No, I don't remember that. They go into a full musical number at the end where he just makes a song about ripping his pants the entire time, and I'm just like,

I'm too sober to watch this right now. This is like, this is peak, I, I am in college and me and the boys have just done a fucking joint or something. Spongy Bob is peak blunt rotation. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. It's the perfect show for it. It's either that or you're an actual kid.

Yeah. There are two people that will appreciate SpongeBob. Five year olds that-old and stoners. Five-year-old that see who SpongeBob is just rifted his fans and stoners who are just looking at like the weirdest shit of all time. Oh my God. Dude, you know what you need to do now?

Now that you've like dip your toes into SpongeBob, you gotta watch the movies. Oh, the movie's good. The SpongeBob movie. First one's pretty good. The first one is really, really funny. It's the fucking, it's the one that David Hasselhoff. I'm watching that in the cinema.

Yeah. Oh, really? Yeah. I went to the six. I really loved SpongeBob growing up and I begged my mom. I was like, please, we got watch the SpongeBob movie. I think I watched that in like middle school, maybe, high school. I was, it was like a lot later. I was a snott-nosed kid when I watched it.

Oh, really? Yeah. So I remember being like, who the fuck is David Hasselhoff to my mom. So I had no idea who the fuck David Hans, obviously, you know, back. Yeah, yeah, very famous, but I had no idea. Yeah.

What is this reference? Yeah, they do like a Baywatch reference. Oh, okay. That's really old for the kids. Yeah, I know. Oh, also, I just got a question. What is SpongeBob? He's a Sea Sponge.

Oh. So the guy who created SpongeBob. Is Sea Spongers alive? Are they animals? Yeah, they're animals. They're alive. So the guy who created SpongeBob. SpongeBob, he was a marine biologist.

Right. So a lot of the actual, like, characteristics of each of the character. So the reason why Patrick is so dumb is because starfish don't have brains. Oh. So that's the whole concept behind Patrick Starr as a character because, yeah, the dude was a marine biologist. So he was, like, very, very knowledgeable about, like, sea creatures. And it's, like, very accurate. Oh, okay.

I was like the fuck out of the games on PS2. Oh, really? There was one that they had a, they had a Mario Party. SpongeBob. What? That was actually very good. Yeah, it was called, it's been SpongeBob Mario Party.

It was called like Lights Camera Burgers or something. That was really good and all of my friends fucking loved it. I think I played the one where it was like, it was based off the movie where like Plankton takes over bikini bottom. Oh, that's it down below. You just, no, no. SpongeBob Party?

SpongeBob Party. Lights camera pants. Okay. Dude, this game was actually fire. What was it on? PC. Oh, PS2. Pist two.

And it was, they had Spongerotts the movie, the game, which I played a fuck ton of the dog. Yeah, I think that was the one I played. It was hard. Yeah. Or as a kid at time at least. Damn, okay. Like, look at these graphics, bro.

Wow. It was like legit. Like, it was good. Damn. Yeah. We'd play it so fucking much, because none of us owned a Nintendo 64. Yeah, yeah.

Oh, gee. But it was very fun. But Sponterol, I mean, it's timeless. Like, I feel like it's just so good. At least the earlier seasons. I feel like watching it. I was like, this is such an indicator of like, culture at that time, right?

And somewhat to today as well. I mean, to today, but I would say it's today because the generation that grew up with Spongerop has grown up and they still reference it, the same way that, you know, me watching early scenes of The Simpsons, in the 90s, it was all about like Simpson's sayings and the iconic scenes from The Simpsons,

and the Simpsons is still iconic. It got my thinking, is that like a modern cartoon that you think is going to dictate the next generation of like popular culture. Cause I was trying to think, because I think like this SpongeBob was like last generation where kids still like, I guess watch stuff on TV

and all watching the same thing. Bluey maybe? Bluey? Bluey? Yeah, I don't know. Bluey's like insanely popular now. Is the whole culture of like Saturday morning cartoons like as prevalent as well as when we were kids though?

Not necessarily Saturday morning. But even in the UK, I don't know about Australia. We didn't really have Saturday morning cartoons. We had Sunday morning cartoons. There was just cartoons. Shout out toast TV. I mean, Sunday morning cartoons were definitely a thing in the UK. Really?

Because we had, uh... We had CITV. Oh, we had cable. So those were just always cartoons. Okay, I didn't have cable. Okay, so... So my privilege. Yeah, God, man.

You know why? I think my dad was willing to like, forego everything except cable because he wanted to watch every Premier League football game. Based. Okay. I refuse not to be able to like... That's the British experience who had,

Yeah, yeah. If your dad was a football head, you had cable. Yeah, that's fair. And I would just go to the pub to watch it because we couldn't afford it back in the day. But yeah, so all of my cartoons were basically on Saturday mornings, so I do get it.

Oh, okay, okay. And that's how I discovered Pokemon. Yeah, I had cotton network. Yeah, I mean, this is why I never watched SpongeBob because SpongeBob was on Nickelodeon and that was like cable or satellite only. Watching Pokemon was so fun, but then also very frustrating,

because even as like a 10 year old kid, I could tell, I was watching this out of order. Oh yeah. And like, I would, know that I'm like, damn it, I already still the part that happened after this. Why, why, who was the TV exec back in the day who would play episode like 30?

And then immediately after it play episode 52. Yeah. Who was this asshole? I had that so many times where I'm like, you would watch the episode where like Ash assumed that they would play the next one. Yeah, you'd watch the episode where like Ash meets Charmander for the first time and saves him from the rain. And then the next episode, it's like, wait,

why is he suddenly Charz off? Yeah. What the fuck is going? What the fuck is going? Who are these TV execs that are bastards who wanna fuck with kids that are like, Nah, none of them gonna get into Pokemon, fuck them. Yeah.

I'm gonna put it all out of order. Jokes on you, I was fucking addicted. Yeah. That's how they get you addicted. But Sponge Rob and stuff like this was, it didn't matter. Yeah, I mean, all episode. I mean, back in the day, it was better to be episodic

because you could tune in at any time and still, you know. It's fun though, because like, I remember I used to watch Simpsons every day after school. Yeah, same. Right when I get back, they used to play four episodes of Simpsons. Yeah. I'd watch all full two hours.

Yeah. She loved the Simpsons. For us, it was Simpsons, and then back to back future. Yeah, sometimes they would do few drama. Yeah, hell yeah. And then you'd rewatch the same episodes over and over again because you're a kid and you're dumb.

But then occasionally when you show an episode that you hadn't seen you, you're like, whoa. Whoa. I don't recognize this one immediately. What the heck? I can't quote this one word for a word. Yeah. Yeah.

I'm glad you enjoyed SpongeBob though. Oh yeah, I really enjoyed it. I think I would have enjoyed it more with some enhancers. Some herbal essences. Some herbal essences. I feel like that's, you know, just go like Like I said, going back to the college days.

Oh, yeah. It was very, very reminiscent. And I can definitely see why this became popular. I think it's a good show. Oh, yeah. And I think a lot of people think, oh, they see cartoons, they see iconic kids show and I normally put it in a bubble

of like kids cartoons or kids shows. I think to be a good kid show, you kind of, in some way, need to appeal to more than just kids as well. You need to have- Yeah, yeah. Yeah. I think that's why Bluey is like crushing right now. Yeah.

Because adults don't mind watching with their kids. Yeah, yeah, exactly. And it's, you know, when a show is pretty high quality in terms of for kids media especially, I think it does really well, because often a lot of kids TV shows are like, that's for kids, no matter.

But, you know, SpongeBob was one of those things that felt like, damn, they really cared a lot about making this show good. Yeah, exactly. So yeah, I'm glad you enjoyed SpongeBob. Very nice, no worries. I'm glad I could see the origin of like 10% of the memes that's like 5% even, man.

Yeah. All right, Jerry, what else? Anything you want to talk about? What do I have next? I guess if we're talking TV shows that... Oh, you watch the Roke? I watched the remaining two, I guess, but I watched up to episode three.

Up to episode two. So last time, last time I only watched one episode. And everyone was very angry. And everyone was very angry. Even though nobody told me anything, I was like, okay, I'll watch one episode. And they were like, no, you have to watch until episode three. I mean, can you see why people wanted you to watch you?

Yeah, I get it now. I get it now. Yeah. Episode three was when shit actually happened. So it's like, all right, cool. It's like a full closing of like one arc of the story. It's literally Cyberpunk Edge Runners episode six. It's like where all the shit happened.

Yeah. So yeah, it was good. I really enjoyed it. Like, shit actually happened. Oh, shit! Are you gonna continue watching it in your own free time? Probably. Hell yeah. Oh shit!

One thing I was really afraid of, especially after I finished episode one, I was like, God, I really hope this show isn't hype just because the animation is hype. animation is hype. I was so worried about it. The animation is stunning. The animation is fucking fantastic. The animation is great, yeah. So good. So, such good directing, like, all the fucking, like, 300 ass, like, slow-mo scenes that cut in every now and then, look sick as far.

But so I was really worried after episode one where, you know, because I gave my thoughts on episode one where I'm like, I get it, I guess, but nothing's really happened. I'm not really invested in the characters yet. So I'm really glad after I wish episode two and three, I was like, oh, okay, stuff's actually happening now and there's like, it's actually hype. And, you know, there's like a character death that happens, which I wasn't expecting and that really like pushed the story in like an actually interesting direction.

So I get why people were upset. Yeah, it was good. I enjoyed it. Oh, I thought you're gonna say you hated it. Yeah. I can't, no, I'm not that contrary. Come on. So you actually like Arcane now, you said. I thought after my honest thoughts after episode three,

I was like, that was like, that was. Has Acki watched it? No. Oh, I thought she liked league. She, oh, she's a reformed league player. Okay, okay, okay, okay. So do you wanna explain, like, kind of what happens in the next two episodes?

Yeah, do I, I don't wanna give, do I get spoiled? Yeah, you can't. Yeah, you can't watch it. If you want to skip ahead to where the spoils end, go to here. Go to the time stamps right here. So I guess, like, oh man, I watched it like over a week ago, so I'm trying to remember what it happens. So there's the underground world above the five-

We left off from last podcast being like, you like, oh, this is just Final Fantasy 7 again. Yeah, this is literally Midgar. Yeah, it's kind of, yeah, it's kind of, yeah, it's just mid-Gar, re-skinned. Yeah. So yeah, you have, you have all the main characters are Vi and Powder and Powder. Powder, yeah.

Was the name right? Yeah, powder was a name. I don't know why I keep thinking your name is Snow. It's powder. So Vi and Powder and then like the two like guy friends, forgot their names. Yep. Doesn't matter. Doesn't matter.

They die in episode three, it doesn't matter. Yeah. I forgot they die. Yeah, they're straight up dying episode three. So I guess there's like some kind of like new science that is trying to bring magic to the world. And the two guys that discover, or the guy that discovers it gets in prison and trialed,

but then one of the other professors like, nah, I'm gonna help you bring this to a reality because I believe that, you know, magic in a technology field world isn't gonna cause chaos, if it can be controlled. Yeah. I was like, okay, that's a cool concept. Yeah.

So they, you know, they try and figure all of that out. Meanwhile, you know, Viya and Powder and the two guys after they stole some of the scientific magic stuff, they are fugitives, you know, the guys from up top are trying to like, I guess find them and, you know, bring them back and all that kind of stuff. But they're like, nah, we're going to use this like greater power and, you know, try and fight the upper people, you know, like we're no longer like vermin scum anymore. We're going to fight back.

We're gonna show what- Game is rise up. Yeah, we're gonna show what the underground people really have. And I guess like the, the, what's the name of the guy who's like the leader of the underground thing again? Oh, what's his name, the big dude?

I forgot the as well. The guy who dies in episode three. Yeah, I forgot his name. And I forgot his name as well. And the other guy's called Silco. Yeah, yeah, yeah, that's right. Silco's the bad guy, right? Well, well.

That's your ass. Well, yeah. He's the brother. He is the brother, yeah. He's the brother, yeah. So the supposed evil brother has created this like serum that turns people like berserco mode or something. And he's trying to use that to like,

I guess fight for the underground in his own way. Yeah, yeah. But his brother, who is I guess like the caretaker for Vi and powder is just like, no, we can't do that. You know, we don't wanna, we did that last time. And he also is kind of like the unofficial leader. Yeah, he's like the unofficial leader. So that creates like a split between the underground

community. Um, and then I guess, uh, Silco is like, yeah, I've had enough of your shit, bro. Um, I'm gonna capture you and do things my own way. Because we have more, uh, I guess, pride than that. Yeah. Yeah. You know, we're not going to be pushed around anymore. I've, I have this new serum that's gonna help us get out of here. And the, the, the bigger brother's like, no, dog, that's, that sounds whack. We're not going to do that. So he's like, all right, I'm gonna kidnap your ass and torture you so that I can bring these other kids out. Yep. And, uh, you know, try and get them to come on my side.

And Vye's like, we're gonna go save our, we're gonna go save our dad. Powder, you fucking suck though. So you stay. And then powder gets her feelings hurt. Yep. And then I guess, yeah, it's like, fuck them kids. You're staying here. Your weapons suck.

You can't do anything. And powder's like, I'll fucking show them. So she takes one of those like, glowy blue things that you're, She stole from the up above Piltover, I think is the name. A Piltover. Yeah. So she takes one of them and is like, I'm gonna create a grenade out of this

and like try and bust them out and help them. Yeah. But unfortunately the impact is too strong and she just ends up fucking everything off. Kills the two friends. Vai is like, you're dead to me. You killed our dad. And then I guess Silco finds powder

and was like, you're my daughter now. Come here, child. Come here, child. And then I guess that's where we start to see like a slight shift in like, I guess now powder is going to become almost like an antagonist. Who knows? You know.

Section, I don't know because that's where I stopped watching it. But what I really appreciated, especially about episode three, was the fact that it finally started to actually, like it wasn't until like, I'd say about halfway through episode three where I finally started to see like, okay, now I actually know where the story is going. Yeah, because I feel like, especially episode one

and a lot of episode two, was just a lot of info dumping. They had to set up the world, right? And I think it's kind of tough. But you know, I think they made it as engaging as they could. I think they did too. The part of the world that really got me invested was, as you mentioned, this whole idea

of like magic being turned to like technology or what tool was being used. Yeah. Because there are so many aspects to the world of league that all have to like come together. Yeah. And I thought that was a really interesting take on what the scientists were trying to do.

And even though it was top and bottom, there was multiple sides to Piltover and Zorn. Yeah, yeah, each had like their rivaling factions. They think all made sense within the story. And all, like there was no clear, correct answer to any of them. And I think that's what made it really compelling because there's like five different groups of people

that all want totally different things. Yeah, that all have a point. Yeah. And there's not necessarily a clear person who's the problem. People who seem more evil, but it's not always so clear cut. And I think it's really impressive, like you said, they managed to kind of present that on, based off this really complicated game law,

which for the record, but League of Legends law is really weird because about eight years after the game came out, they were like, actually ignore all the law that you've learned up to now. It's none of it, we're redoing all of it. And it's all shit. So they had like a hundred characters that were made with law. Right.

Yeah. And so now they were like, no, we're gonna- It was a joke. It was a joke for a long time in the league community. It was a joke, because it was all really stupidly complicated. They'd be like, this is Aterox. He's the garden, he was made in fire. And it was just kind of like, this is my O.C.

This is how it fits into my world. Very tacky. Yeah, yeah, yeah. And so they were kind of like, ignore all the law. But obviously you can't really get rid of a lot of these characters or really remove all of that law entirely without like, so it's a kind of a mess of a law game. Yeah.

So they, they smartly decided, look, let's have a bunch of characters that aren't in the game kind of be like the pillars of the story that allow us to then bring characters that are relevant into, so vize a playable character. And then her inclusion makes a lot of sense. They didn't try and shoehorn characters in, which I think they could have done.

And be like, whoa, it's that guy, I know. Like every character that's included makes a lot of sense. No, yeah, not at all. Yeah, but I think like as well, like, you know, I think that's like one thing after watching episode one only where I didn't have a lot of faith in it because it was setting

itself off to just be like the good guys versus the bad guys kind of story that's just been so overdone. And like now after episode three, now it's like, oh, you don't know who the good guys are. You don't quite know who the bad guys. I much prefer storytelling like that. And I'm so, I was so glad at the end being like, oh, thank God it's not just like a fucking other

good guys versus bad guy story. I think you're very happy then. Yeah. What are some characters that you enjoyed then? Um. Cause I think you can get a good gauge. Yeah. Some of the characters now.

I liked the guy who died. I liked him a lot too. I liked him so much. Everyone liked him a lot. It was like the kids, I'm like, whatever, whatever. When the dad died, I was like, no way they killed him off. And he died in like the worst way as well. Yeah, I was just like, man, he just wanted to protect his kids.

A lot of people wanted them to be after that where they were like, please make him a playable character. And they haven't. Oh, right. Yeah. Um, Silco was not a playable character and he got to be a TFT. Oh really? Yeah.

Silco, I think, yeah, as of right now, I don't quite have a grasp of what his character is like, but I have a feeling I'm going to like him by the end of the show. He's pretty good. He's pretty well-written. He's, in my opinion, like, the most interesting character in this entire series.

You're seeing his journey from like where he is now to where he is right at the end. I think he has one of the most interesting character arcs out of everyone, and he's not even a playable character. Yeah, which I think like says a lot about how much league they're confident. Invested in just like, we are invested in not making this a league trailer.

You know what I mean? We are just trying to make a good product. And now is the best time of watching it because season two is around the corner. Right, right. The season is around the corner. Next month? Yeah.

Like next- November. It's November. Next month, right? Next month. Yeah. I hope they keep the same intro song. Oh, I don't.

I love the song. I was gonna say if there was any, like negative things I would have said. No! That Imagine Dragon Song is one of the most fucking annoying songs I've ever heard of my own. No. It is so bad.

Oh, oh, oh, it is so fucking bad. No. It's terrible. No. It is terrible. What? It is so fucking every time, I'm so glad.

I'm so glad Netflix has the skip intro button. No. I've never once skipped it. You are so close to a WT Joe and we weird. We weird. I'm sorry. It's crazy. This is like shitting the bed at the last.

I'll give Arcane all of its flower and praises. Change the fucking opening song. No one wants to hear Imagine Dragons, they're shit. I love the intro dog. Nah, it's so annoying. It's so good. It's one of the most annoying choruses I've ever heard. That's crazy.

It's so whack. Yo, just wait for Lincoln Park to be in season two. Oh, I'm not excited for that either. Is it actually Lincoln Park? I don't know. I hope they keep it. I hope they keep it as well. It's so gay.

If it's another Imagine Dragon song, I'm skipping that shit too. Just keep the same opening song. I mean, Imagine Dragons has been in life support because of league. Literally every popular Magic Dragon song. Yeah, why are we keeping them alive? I guess because they probably cheap.

Pretty cheap to hire them. Pull the fucking plug on them, guys. Please, Ryan, you're better than this. Yeah. I'm wondering, did you get to see any of like the other male characters? Because... I think you do meet...

You meet Jace and Victor? Yeah, yeah. Those are the guys who try to to do the science thing, right? Yeah, yeah. What the fuck's the tiny professor guy? Professor, Himada Dinger. Hi Milder Dinger! I was like, all right, you're kind of cute.

Oh, hi Mildinger. How they made such a likable character out of like one of the most hated champions. No one likes playing against him. No, really? Yeah, because he puts down his little fucking annoying turrets. You just runs away. Right, yeah.

He's so annoying to play again. Yeah, when he's talking to Jason in the cell and he's just like, I'm 300 years old and I'm like, I love you. He's great. Yeah, yeah, he's great. It's like your little shit. Yeah.

Nice. So yeah. I'm glad you like you. I'm glad. I'm fucking glad we did it. We did it, guys. We won. We won, guys.

It's the only time I'm giving league a W. I know you can go home and watch the rest. Yeah. I guess so. All righty. All right. I also read, I think, about 25 chapters of Fire Punch. Fuck yeah.

25 chapters. How far as that? About about what? Two or three volumes? A third. Yeah, about two three volumes. Okay, so about a third of it. A third of it.

What'd you think? Yeah, good, obviously. I mean, it's good. It's good. What's his name again, the guy? Tatski Fujimosa. Tashik Fudumocho. The one thing that's very apparent

about this man is he is obsessed for movies. Oh yeah. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Because, like, you're reading this thing, okay, so Firepunch, there are going to be a lot of spoilers now, obviously. Yeah.

For the first at least 25. Because I do want to finish this. Yeah. You have this, like, really, almost traditional animation, revenge story with this guy, and the premise is so cool. Oh, it's one of the coolest premise. A guy who is in a cold world

that has been frozen for some reason and we're not revealed to yet, why. Yeah. And he gets burnt to a crisp by this guy with like immortal flame that can't be put out, but he can't stop regenerating. Yeah. And he killed his sister and now he's seeking revenge.

And he's going about revenge. And everything's pretty normal. Obviously there's some edge to it. Like they find people who are gifted or have abilities and they kind of use them as like slaves. Yeah. In some capacities like if one character has electrical abilities and they like chop off their legs and arms

and turn them into like a human battery. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. And it's like horrific and cool and like really edgy, like super edgy, like it's cool. And then there's just like one moment that something happens and I'm like, what? Where you're kind of watching it and there's some thing going on

and then this woman turns up, she's like, I'm gonna, I'm gonna be the director. You're like, what? And then it suddenly just turns into the rest of the thing after this is literally just about her filming him. Oh yeah. Oh yeah. Oh yeah. You're like, what the fuck is this now about? Yeah. Because it suddenly turns out like a revenge arc, which is still kind of is about. Yeah. But everything shifts because for the next like 15 chapters, it's literally just her being like,

I will now direct you to get revenge. And it kind of gets all really goofy. It's really weird. Yeah. It kind of becomes super goofy. That's the Fujimoto trap. Yeah. He sets you up with a really serious premise and then just does a bunch of goofy shit all. Yeah, it was kind of, I won't lie, like, because with, what was the other one that I read? Goodbye, Erie. Goodbye, yeah, goodbye, Eric. I loved and I finished and I, and I feel like it worked there.

This time, I don't know if, I haven't finished it, so I don't know if it worked, but I definitely thought it was a lot more jarring this time around. Oh, fire punch is definitely way weird. It gets, it gets even weird. And I imagine it does, and maybe that's the charm, and that's probably the charm of it.

Yeah. But I was like, damn, this is such a cool premise, why? I think Fire Punch's his first published work. Might be wrong, but it's definitely, I think his first serialized work that went on for a while. And you can definitely see that Fire Punch has so many raw and cool ideas, then he will just throw you a curveball. And it just, like, about the halfway point,

it'll continue to get weirder and weirder and weirder, I believe that, to the point where I'm like, This is just Shonen Evangelion. I don't get this ending. Yeah. Can I ask a question? Yeah.

What would you give it out of 10? Because you guys have both finished it, right? Just so I'm curious. So I can get a feel for how you guys feel about the show. Like seven and a half? I give it 7.5 as well. Yeah. So the ideas are cooler than the execution.

Some of the execution is very weird. That's the vibe I was getting a lot. Like I was like, I won't lie. At least for the 15 chapters that this girl was with us, I did not like her. I was like, God, she's so annoying. All I remember, it's been a while since I've read it,

but all I remember is that the last volume, almost every single page, I was like, what the fuck is, what? So it's a what the fuck, it's a, it's a, wait, wait, you didn't get that from the first 15 chapters or so? No, it was pretty normal. Oh yeah, like, did you get to, it starts off with the fucking sister being like,

yeah, that was okay, that was a moment where I was like, I like how you were just like, I'm just going to ignore that. Say less. Say less, incest. Listen, I am an anime viewer. I am used to just shoehold incest. I don't, I, I, I don't bat an eye.

Actually, I think I did react actually. I did you? Yeah, I can probably, I think we're like 15 minutes in probably. Yeah, it's really early on. It's weird, it's chapter one. It's like chapter one. Really. Right before she like dies.

Yeah, this, this part, this part. This is actually this one? Right. Yeah, oh yeah, this is it. I heard you go back. I was like, wait, what? What? I didn't have about an eye.

He was locked in with that one. Yeah, yeah, he's like, I was like very, when I was recording this, I was like very focused on like just reading. I was like, you know what? I'll react when there's some moments to talk about. And that was, I was like, what? But I love the idea of like, okay,

Incess. No, no, you got. I like the idea that they were like, okay, this world's so frigid and cold, like there's no food, people who can regenerate, we're literally cannibalizing them. Like I thought that was like such a cool, like a lot of the ideas are really out there

and like you said, well you don't really see a lot of this stuff often. Yeah. And I really liked how everyone in this fucking weird city was fucked up and deranged. Yeah, because why wouldn't they be? They've had to survive. And like a lot of the ideas were really, really cool.

And it was just weird. It's just weird. It's just weird. So weird. It just gets weir and weird. There are two moments that hit me only on like the fucking warning signs on like, sometimes Fujimoto just throws in weird shit. One thing was like, obviously the, you know,

they just hit you on the head of just like, oh, incest, right away. Yeah, that was weird. That was so weird. That was weird. Then there's a guy who was like, please fuck my dog. Yes, I was also confused by that. Oh my God, yeah, I remember that. Wow, I erased that from my memory.

I was glad it didn't happen. Yeah, I was very glad as well. but it was just so weird the way he was presented, he was just like, because I knew he was going somewhere, because clearly the guy was like deranged in some way. So you're like, ah, okay. I know this guy is not mentally well,

but I don't know where this is going to go. Maybe he's going to be like, you know, try to do something bad to the children or maybe he's going to go torture them or something. What I wasn't expecting was, please fuck my dog. And I believe it was like, let me film it or something, or let me watch, or something like that. Yeah, it was.

There's some, the justification obviously was not very scientific. Yeah. Yeah. The other thing I actually thought was well done and I thought was really cool was that, obviously, you know, this character that is the director is kind of a third party in all of this.

Yeah. And they were like, yeah, well, you know, they're like, I don't really fucking agree with anything of anyone's doing. And there's people that are following her. And then they're like, oh, why are you following her? They're like, well, we're gay. We're not allowed in the capital city.

Yeah. And I was like, you know what? I'll give credit what credits do. It's so rare that I feel that in an anime or manga, there's any kind of tasteful use of gay characters in a way that I feel like is a fair representation of struggles. Yeah. In the anime, it's either fucking Yawi,

or it's, they don't exist. Yeah, yeah. So I was like, I would actually say, I would actually say that continues with other people as well, where there's, yeah, there's, there's, there's, I'm not gonna spoil, but there's a character who reveals something about themselves. I'm like, wow, I've never actually

seen this in manga done before. Yeah, because I feel like it takes a lot of confidence and a lot of, a lot of like, understanding of, you know, yeah, how to, how to navigate around that. And I thought it was really well done. And I was like, damn, that's fucking, that's cool. Yeah.

Because I don't know, I just, it's so rare you ever see anything like that. It just treats it like it's, I don't know, it just feels normal, you know, which is how it should be. Yeah, they don't make it weird. They don't make it weird. You know, and I'm even trying to praise it

without making it sound like, wow. Good job. You included gay people in the story to tasteful management. Because it's like it's so like, I shouldn't have to do that, you know, but I was like in anime and manga, it is so rare and I do,

I do like it when it's done as any other character would be written. Yeah, exactly. And just rare, you know. Yeah. Not sure to be like, man, I fucking do these woke shit. Are you telling me that fire punches woke? Are you telling me that fire punches

woke on it in my manga? I just wish people would get over themselves and stop telling like, you don't exist. It's insane. It's, I, I can't be like, no, people don't exist in Japan. It's like, oh, bro, come to Japan, please.

Yeah, they definitely exist. It's like one of the most flamboy in an openly camped countries. Yeah, it doesn't really know how to handle openly talking about gay topics. It's really cool when we get in a fucking manga that is like, hey, I fucking know how to talk about it. Yeah. Yeah.

But it was cool, it was cool. Just so weird. I have to finish it to- It is one of the more weird a manga I've read. Yeah, because actually the premise alone was what, I read this in about two days because I was like addicted because I was like, for sure. The premise is so fucking cool.

Agreed. And just, I love the fights in this as well. The fights in this are medal as fuck. I don't know if you, what, did you get to see any fights or anything like that? He just kind of stomped everyone so far. Yeah. Except, well, the director also,

the director of the movie, I don't know her name, I feel bad, I didn't remember. She just stomped everyone as well that she comes across and I was like, oh, okay. It's like, helping out spine. And so, okay. But there's some really smart uses as well

that I really appreciated that, okay, if he's going down this, we're making a movie route. There are parts where he was like, the director's like, okay, cut. And then you wouldn't see what happened. And it would actually cut to the next time. Yeah.

I was like, oh, that's really interesting. There's a one cut where they say cuts. And then you cut to like everyone being like, all the dead bodies. I was like, that's really cool. Yeah. I was like, is implying that the entire thing is like a movie or what's going on here.

It's some metaphor. But then again, with him, I feel like he's never implying anything. There's like 19 different ideas and things that he wants to express and which one to go for. What's funny is that reading this, you're like, wow, they really fucking tamed this guy down for chainsaw man. Oh yeah, no, they did.

They made him lock in and like, chains be more cohesive. Chainsawman is like normal compared to fire punch. And it's almost why I feel like reading it, I was like, man, this would, if chainsaw man was hard to adapt and didn't like get the praise or the sales that it needed, I was like fire punch. Yeah. I just don't think it would, it would be hard to find an audience.

Fire Punch, you can just see how raw, like I feel like how raw his talent was, but just because you just get the feeling that, Tatski Fujimoto, just. It's experimental. He's very experimental and just like, he was like, chainsaw Man is what I feel where you get that like raw, weird energy

and like you focus it, so you focus it in a direction where it's still weird, but chain, fire punch was just like, you'll reach the heart, And you're like, I do not know where this story is going right now. Which normally, this is weird. Outside of Evangelion, it doesn't normally bode well for shows that have that.

Yeah. This is something about the way Fujimoto like manages to compile all of those like scatterbrained ideas together in such a way where it's like, you'll never be able to guess that it ends in a particular, like, ending a fire punch. I mean, I could fucking see any of the twist. Yeah, there is not a single person on planet Earth who could probably predict what happens at the end of Fire Punch. Yeah. Cause it's just like, what, what?

Well, I think, because I imagine when you're writing a show, he probably thinks what is the five next natural conclusions and then bans himself from using them. Yeah, is what I feel like. Because it's the only way you can explain why he writes this way. Yeah. Yeah. But it's fascinating.

I was thinking he's just a weird guy. He's a very weird. You have to be. If you hear about any of the interviews he's done, it's just. It's like the premise of how he came up with chainsaw man. Yeah, it's a very good. It's just like weird, but also you can see why he's a genius

because only geniuses think like this. A genius is an insane person with an audience. Yeah, I like that Japan is willing to give the reins to people who write bizarre things. Yeah. And I feel like obviously in the West right now, it's very hard because everything's very expensive to make. So I often feel we don't really get

some of these more experimental stuff. Oh, yeah. And so that's why it's almost really more fun reading and watching what's going on in Japan just because I feel like there's so much more willing to experiment on weird shit. Oh, totally. It was good. It was good.

It was jarring at times. It was very jarring. That's a normal reaction. It's like it's really cool. Just ignore the incest and ignore the dog fucking thing. Yeah, like what is up with the incest? Like, is that like a passion of his? I don't know.

Like, because I feel like I have to know. Like, I have to know why he put that in there because there was literally no need for that in that scene. Do you think it might be like post-ironic? It could be. It could be. Knowing Fujimoto, there's probably, he's probably like,

I'm gonna make fun of all the other mangakas that love what he insisted in. I think that's the hope. That's the hope. But I don't think it is. Yeah, I think it's. In my head canon, that's what he's, that's why he did it.

And just, I'm gonna keep my mouth shut because, just finish it because, just Twitter will get angry. I just, yeah. Agua fuck. Yeah, just, not Twitter, nah. You know what, just read the rest of it. Yeah, then we can discuss.

Okay, okay. Okay, I thought of it as well, like using, I think because the problem is we've also been so exposed to incest in anime that you can only look at it as this kind of like degenerate gross thing. Yeah, which it is, which it is. But I do think in a world like, and the setting that it is in, I could see why it could have been used

for a very powerful story piece. Because they're in a, he's literally, they are relying on each other. No, no, no, no, no. No, I do not like incest, right? I'm not a guy who gets pumped about it. Okay, let me finish, let me finish, okay? This is that your turn.

How is this corner, not me, says? No, no, no, no, no. Because after it happened, I was like, what the fuck, I was like, that's fucking weird as fuck, but at the same time, I guess if these two characters are the only fucking young people around

and they are literally around each of their entire fucking life, they might not understand why this is bad or why they shouldn't do this. This is what Fujimoto does to people, man. I'm glad this is coming up. Look, look, it's like, we unfortunately live in a world where incest happens a lot.

And a lot of people have different motivations for why they do it. Yes. And, you know, whether it be preserving a royal bloodline, or there is just no one else around. And I think there is a way that it can be used for a storytelling. I think it shouldn't be used in the sense of, wow, my half-sister is so fucking cute,

I want to fuck her. What you're saying is, what you're saying is in this particular setting where it's more of an apocalyptic setting, It could be explained. It could be explained. It could be used as a powerful story tool. However, I don't think just turning around and going like,

hey, have a baby with me, brother, which is also the wording. It's like, it's not that like, I love you, or I want to be embraced by you, whatever. It's like, I want a baby with you, brother. Yeah, that's why I'm thinking it's like post-ironic. Yeah, maybe, yeah. Who knows?

Because it didn't lead to anything. I hope for the best, expect for the worst. Well, I did not have Connor defends incest in fire punch. I did not have- I don't defend it. That was on my bingo card. They're not defend it. I just think there could have been a story tool.

This is what Fugimoto does to me. No, no, no, no, no, not defending it. Connor's come over to the dark side. No, no! Not defending it! That's crazy, bro. God damn. All right, well, on that bombshell,

what do you have, thanks? I have Jesus of Kaysen season two. Do you like it? Ah. Did you just guys in season two? It's right. Ah. The first three,

is, you're phenomenal. Oh, no, no. I'm not, no, what I'm saying is, it's better than season one, 100%. But I just, uh, yeah. Okay, okay. What, what episodes did you watch? The first three.

The first three, so was it, is, did you see the Gojo arc? The Gojo, yes, the Gojo. So it was the Gojo. I don't think I saw the end of it though, because I think that's episode four. Did he fly on the sky? No, he got, he got,

no, he got killed. Oh, you missed the best part. Oh, yeah. That was an awesome. That wasn't awesome fight, to be fair. I will say the one thing I really appreciated about season two at least is that the cinematography is way better. Way better than season one. The cinematography, especially in that first arc, is fucking, it's actually absolutely...

Yeah, and it's not even like just the fight scenes. It's like even the standard scenes where it's just like two characters talking or like transitioning to a next scene is so much more interestingly done than season one. The use of music as well, I think was insane. Yeah. Whoever decided free jazz for the soundtrack? Yeah, yeah, yeah, exactly, right? Beautiful. So how is it just aight then if you love the choreography?

Because I just don't care about the world. I really don't. It's just another show in the anime. I mean, I would say that... The fight scenes were insane. I love that. Yeah. That's most of season two. Yeah.

So you'll probably like season two. I might like season two then. There's like 12. of episodes back to back that are different fights. Oh, okay. I think the big difference between the Shibby arc and the Gojo flashback arc is that I think, in what I've seen of Jujits Kaison so far, I think the Gojo flashback arc

is the best example of, like, good characters, interesting characters and good storytelling. Yeah. Within the arc, within Jiu Jishisai's. Oh, I much prefer Gojo as a character than Iitador. Yeah. I think everyone loves Giorgio. I think I would say that as well.

I don't, to be honest. Yeah, protagonist syndrome. As a protagonist, he's kind of boring. Yeah. And I think that's why I wasn't huge into season one because I was just like, I don't give a fuck about itadori. I mean, you have to have. I know I need to care because he's the protagonist,

but. No, but I mean, I agree in senses that I think that like, you have to be extremely confident, I think, as a storyteller to write a protagonist that's a little bit different. Yeah. Like, even like writing someone like Joseph Joe Star. Yeah.

Would be really hard to do, I think. Oh, of course. How do you make an asshole likable? I don't know, it's kind of tough, I think. I think Denji in terms of like, Shonen protagonist is like one of the most interesting shodun protagonists out there, which from Chainsaw Man. Yeah, yeah, yeah.

Because you can tell that he just doesn't care. Yeah, no, I like Denji. Yeah, yeah, yeah. He's, to me, to me, like, really, really interesting as a shonen protagonist. Haven't gone so deep into Dander Dan yet, so I'm not sure about that. Oh, Dundana is the same, yeah.

Yeah. But I think that's because this is like a lot more of the new waves of protagonist characters that we're getting, where a lot of them are a lot more, have more defining personality traits. Yeah, and I think that's the problem where it's like, Itadori just kind of fits that old formula I mean, I think he definitely becomes a little bit more different

as the show goes on, but obviously a lot of the times, the personality is lacking in the first season or two. Yeah, I mean, some things happened to him in the second season and the problem was, my big problem with the second season is that I didn't really care about Itadori before the second season. So when shocking things were happening, I still didn't care, but it was like, not even shocking.

Which is why already, just from the little I've seen of season two and just from looking at the Gojo flashback arc, I was like, oh, I get now why people love Goja. Yeah, because like, if- Like, yeah, because he's so much more interesting as a character. He is a very, very interesting character. He's just more enjoyable to watch. You know, it's just like, why, this man should have been the protagonist.

Fuck your dog because you could just be like, Ruketanky. Yeah, when he does the Yoiketankai, I'm just like, Say list king. I'm sad. It's just so fun. So yeah. So in terms of like just like,

overall enjoyability of the first three episodes, definitely preferred it over season one. Yeah. And like I understand why a lot of people were hyped more for season two than season one. But yeah. I'm surprised you didn't watch episode four because it was like after, I think episode three,

how can you stop on three? Well, something shocking happens at the end, I believe, right? And that kind of like hit me out of I just didn't have the time. Sorry. Oh, wow. Cause, uh, yeah. I gave it the three episode ruler.

You're gonna get to the meme frame with Gojo like. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, you're so close. You're so close to the- Gojo was like that. I love that friend. Yeah, yeah, yeah. But, yeah, like, Toge is one of the coolest characters as well. Sorry to Dr. Toji is cool.

Togey is cool. Simitography is phenomenal. Yeah. Yeah, I think like, seeing that first fight between Toji and Gojo and just seeing Gojo being humbled for the first ever time, you're like, Holy shit. This guy, this guy is a chat. This guy is a chat.

Yeah, he's got no powers. God, that fucking moment where you just like, you see how much build up he has for this like, just to ambush one fucking overpowered person and then you see Gojo just like, his mind wanders for like a split second and then Goji, like, Toji appears in frame. I was like, holy shit, I'm hard.

I am hard right now. It is like unequivocally high. Regardless of you even give a fuck about the story, the fight scenes are just five. No, the fight scenes were phenomenal. That was actually one of my favorite fights in all of season two. Just seeing that unfold and seeing just him

being like five steps ahead of gojo. Yeah. Even though Gojo's so fucking overpowered even in his like, I'd say, base form. It's base form. Yeah, yeah, yeah. It's not quite super sane Gojo. It's not quite yeah. It's not quite awakened yet.

Still, that was such a hype. Yeah. So are you gonna continue watching? Yeah. That's a no. All that translates for you guys. Yeah, I'm good. Yeah.

Oh, guys, we tried. We are, we got, we got Arcane. We got Arcade this time. Yeah, we gotta win. We'll take the W. Take the W, right? Gunn's playing Alden Ring. Yeah.

Conner's in a fire punch. Yeah, I will try to finish it at some point, but I've been gonna finish slam down for the longest time. Yeah. What else is left? Oh yeah, you guys wrote a sweet. So for our lives.

So why do the patrons want us to read to read or ask me and pubber band so badly? I don't know. That's so crazy. It's something that me and Connor haven't read, and it's an iconic manga. It's one of my favorite manga. Yeah.

The only downside of this format of this, I guess this type of show. It's not enough time. Not enough time. And I thought he asked me poem was a short manga. I was wrong. No.

It's like 147 chapters. 13 volumes. 13 volumes. That's quite a long time. And I was going into it, like, obviously you've heard like, it's the saddest fucking manga of all time. Yeah.

You will try not to cry challenge impossible difficulty. It is like, I was like, Okay. Yeah. And I talked about this in the thing where I remember you explaining why he is Pun Poon. Yeah. But I totally forgot why it was.

So I don't know why he's Poon Poon. What do you mean? As in like why he's a bird and everyone else is a human? Yeah. Is that just an artistic choice? There's this, this theory. Okay, before you tell me anything,

is it ever explained in the thing? Okay. So it's just fan theories, why? Is this fan theories? But essentially there is a hint right need the end. Okay. Where there's like this one frame where one of the characters draws a picture of Poonpun, and he's a human. Oh, okay. So the theory is that everyone, how he sees the world. Everyone in the world sees Poon Poon as a human. Oh yeah, that's what I figured. But you as the reader sees him as this bird. Yeah, that's what I figured too. Yeah. And there's multiple theories as to

why that may be the case. Yeah. I mean, I assumed it was like an odd taxi kind of like deal. Yeah. Yeah, you know. So, yeah, I think the most accepted theory is the fact that he purposely made this character very non-human-like, so that... I just realized we should probably explain roughly the first. Oh yeah.

Before we get into that. Yeah, before we get too, you even know it. Let me know your thoughts first. Okay, so, well, how about Garn, because I'm not a good explainer. You explain the rough start. The rough starts of Poon Poon. I can't remember everything that happened

because a lot of this was just built up with the characters. So you get introduced to Poon-Pun-Pun. and he's kind of just a kid. And I think the first two volumes I read were very, very indicative of just being a kid. Being a kid, the anxieties you have as a kid, the biggest struggles that Poonpun Poon deals with,

aside from all get into like his family stuff, is liking girls. Yeah. Getting bitches, basically. It's just, it's just puberty. Yeah, you know? It's, uh, it's, uh, it's going through puberty, Being confused with all these hormones that he obviously has right now and just trying to

swoon the girl that he likes at that moment and also just deal with school life and kids being weird and mean and sometimes and also he doesn't have the greatest family life either because I think the first chapter ends with his dad just I'm not sure if he goes to jail or gets arrested, but he basically decks his mom in the heads. Yeah. Yeah. Pretty much. The fucking Decks you in the fucking head, man.

Wapha! Wapha! Gives you my little shuff-de-shuff-up. Give a little one too. His mom goes to hospital. I mean, am I wrong? I just, I just, I was thinking of which word you were gonna use. And DEC was not on the lot.

Just crazy. I was like, domestic abuse, violent towards. No, he fucking. Dex him, fucking dex him, buddy Dexham, badge. Put her ass on the floor. I did no idea you're gonna go for. So, yeah, yeah, it's heavily implied that there was, he was like, it was domestic abuse.

Yeah, yeah, heavily implied. And then he does the thing where he's like, you know, but then he tries to be like a good dad. Yeah, where he's like, hey, he's a telescope, I brought you son. Yeah, yeah. And he seems like a good dad and then his uncle's like, hey, he's just, he's just, he means well.

Yeah, he's just. And also he has a, He has this weird kind of like ritual that I think is going to prevail during this entire manga where he can call God. Oh yeah, at any time. Seeing that image of God, I was like, oh, I've seen the fucking face.

Yes, this is where the face comes from. So can you show the face? Because it does, it's fine, sure. So if you haven't read any of us before. Just like a pun-pun-un-God. There is this very out of place face that pops up all the time. That's him.

And you've probably seen this face. a couple of times if you're an anime fan. Because a lot of people have this as a profile picture. Yeah. They have this fucking smiling face. Yeah. That's the profile picture. And God appears after he does a chant.

Yeah. Sometimes, and I feel like it's his kind of like coping mechanism a lot of the times. And so like other things happen. Oh, you can close it now. Yeah. Other things happen, like he confesses to the girl that he likes. Iko.

Ico, turns out Iko also likes him as well. And he can, he can, And he gets a fucking, he wins in chapter three. He gets a fucking kiss, baby. Yes, sir. Already ahead of every other romance. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Already ahead of every other protagonist.

Oh, one doesn't wait till day three. Yeah, yeah. He goes in day two. Exactly. And then you kind of just follow his life as a kid. I'm not going to spoil everything because there's like 27 chapters. Yeah, what happens. A lot happens in 27 chapters.

But I would say the biggest thing that I liked about it was, was the character writing was just top tier. Yeah. You know, I, it very, reading this very much brought me back to all the insecurities I had as a kid. And even though not all the same things happen, it happened in my life as what happened in Poonpun's life because they, there's this whole side arc

where they go to a mochi factory because they're trying to find a dead body. Yep. That's, that they- A treasure, a treasure, a dead body. From some rumor they, heard from this videotape. Like a little with shit happens, but I would say that it totally

encapsulates the feeling of just your hormones in puberty are hitting, you're confused, you don't know what the world is like and you're just trying to be a kid and you're just fucking confused. Out of like, because like the thing is, is that like, you know, puberty, like, exploring puberty and like growing up is such a common theme that's used in a lot of manga and anime, but I think Oysemi Poonpun does it the best, like hands down.

I would say the biggest warning lights for me out of like when I was, when I think I realized why people were so invested in this and why this is going to be a sad, really sad manga is just how much I related to the feelings of that stage of his life, right? And once, and every time I turned the page, I was like, I hope something bad doesn't happen.

I hope something bad doesn't happen and I know something bad's gonna happen. I almost had the opposite where I was like, I want something bad just to happen just to get it out of the way. Because you just knew it was cooking. Yeah, you knew. And I was like, just get it out of that,

just rip off the band-aid. And I was kind of hoping for that, I'm not hoping, I was waiting for that big moment and it like never came. And I realized, oh no, it's just like a death by a thousand cuts situation. I think it is. I think it is.

I was like, oh. It just gets progressively, slightly worse and worse and worse. And although I couldn't. I couldn't, I didn't experience a lot of the stuff that Pun Punn experienced. Yeah. There's a few things where I was like,

yeah, it feels real. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. You're like, fuck, man. I thought we had something. I thought we had something. There were two moments that really fucking hit me in this one.

The first moment, the first moment, and it's like you said, the death by a thousand cuts, where the first moment was kind of like the buildup to like the domestic abuse part, where you see, you see the mom getting here and Poonpuns and you see Poonpun's in a monologue being like Poonpun Poon never really loved his mother.

I'm like, what the fuck, Poon? Bro, what the fuck? And then there's this moment later where obviously his parents are having an argument and his mom says something that a mother should never say in anger at all. And Poon Poon hears it. And I'm like,

holy shit, this is getting a little bit too real right now and then there's a small moment where his mom and Poonpun go, you know, his mom takes Poonpun out. And then they're in a taxi. And his mom's like, take us to the sea, please. Take us to the ocean. Oh, yeah. And the taxi driver makes a joke.

And then the mom's like, actually, it's okay. Just take us back. And I'm like, oh my God. No fucking way. That was like, fucked. I was like, that's crazy. You're going to take Pumpun with you? Yeah, yeah, yeah.

I'm like, that's fucked. That's actually fucked. Yeah, and I guess that's why, like, I thought it was really well written, because obviously that, you know, and I think in a textbook situation like this where the dad is abusive, you would immediately think like, you know, poor, poor mother. Poor mother. And, like, you do, you do think that. But, like, they also wrote this abusive dad in a very, like, sympathetic way in the sense that, like, he really tried to be a dad for Punpun, whilst being completely unprepared and knowing how to deal with a marriage. And a marriage that wasn't healthy. So like they were both two people who maybe at some point

were good people who this marriage has ruined both of them. Yeah. And they're both terrible people in their own way, but obviously the dad, much more terrible. Yeah. But they put extra emphasis on trying to redeem the dad to make you feel like, it's not so black and white. And Pum Poon really likes his dad. And you're like, God, but you shouldn't, because he's, you know, the reason where your mama

is even like this is because of him. And like, it's a very like fucked up situation. And it really like made you constantly try to get of your black and white, like view into the situation. You could tell, even in the, even in this early age, Poonpun is just a broken fucking kid. Oh yeah, which, which, you know, he wears the scars of the household

that he grew up in. I'm saying you can't even deal with like simple, like everyday life emotional situations that he should be prepared to deal with that much. Yeah, yeah, exactly. My favorite character so far is probably the uncle character. Yeah, uncle's to go.

Uncle, I'm not gonna look at Joey. Uncle is just like. I'm sure he's got some skeletons in his closet. Yeah, yeah, everyone does. He's putting the work. But I just felt like everything that happened with the uncle, I'm just like, you know, you know what? He's the logical one.

I think he's a great guy. I think he is as well. I'm sure there's nothing bad about the uncle. Nah, nothing at all. Don't worry, guys. I'm gonna continue looking at the camera. I'm like, the uncle, he gets it, you know? I'm sure he's great.

He's the one. He probably takes one vacation. Out of all of like, out of all of Poonpun's like immediate family. Out of all Poon Poon's immediate family, you could tell he was the one that tried to like be a good role model for Poon Poon the most. He was out of everyone, he was like his best role model so far. He was his best role model.

I don't know, this is chapter 27. Yes. Best role model model so far. And, you know, he gave, he was the one who gave Poonpun this little chant to, you know, call on God whenever you need him. whenever we're going through something bad. And you could tell that Poonpun Poon very much respects his uncle, and internalized it.

And you could tell that his uncle very much knows the effect that he had in Poonpun. Like, I think the line that really hit me was when his uncle was talking to Poon Poon's mom, also his sister, where he's like, man, I see the kids and I just want to sort my life out. Just because whenever I see Poonpun, I just want to be a better person. I'm like, fuck me, man. I respect that. And the scene that kind of like, you know,

broke my heart a little bit, was the scene where there's this two religious, you know, these two religious fanatics that are obviously part of a cults. And the uncle's trying to be, trying to be very patient with them. Give me the fucking love. Yeah, yeah, yeah.

Trying to say, I respect your beliefs, but I do not believe the same thing. Please leave me alone. And this old, this old cult lady just would not, you know, will not give it up. Yeah. To the point where it builds up and builds up and it boils to this uncle being like,

I don't even fucking believe in God, there is no gods. And Poon Poon is standing right there. Poon Poon stands right there. And I'm like, oh, man, I feel so bad for Punfun. I could, my heart sank for Poonpun right there, because every kid needs hope. Does the Manga eventually cover him as an adult? Oh yeah.

Oh, fuck. Yeah, so you guys have experienced, so as Poonpun gets older, his visual slightly change as well. Right. Everyone is ugly as well. Everyone has drawn kind of like a little, what's the valley thing called creepy?

Uncanny Valley. Uncanny Valley. Everyone's just slightly creepy looking. So I think that was a purposeful artistic choice. So like one of the reasons why, this is my interpretation of it, but one of the reasons why Asan, decided to draw Poonpun and his immediate family

as these bird creatures is one so that you could put yourself in his shoes without having to like look past any kind of like human-like for some. That makes sense, yeah, because if you saw like a black-haired woman and you have a blonde mom. Yeah, then you'd be like, oh, that's not. I don't relate. Yeah, I can't relate.

But like by making them not human, it's a lot easier to put yourself into it. Yeah. Number two, it's to also make, It's using this cute aesthetic to get you to emphasize with these cutesy characters to make the human characters look more hideous. Yeah, which they definitely do. Which they definitely do,

but at the same time, it makes the shocking scenes more shocking. Yeah. Because you're not expecting these cutesy characters to do and say and act in these very human and very, like, filthy human ways. Yeah.

You know, which is, unfortunately, for a lot of people, a reality. Even if nothing bad further is like, happens to Pompun. I think he's so unable to deal with his emotions currently, then he just wouldn't, his adult life will be miserable regardless. Yeah, I mean, I think, so even if nothing else bad happens,

which I'm sure will happen. Yeah. Oh, it does. Because that's how life works. Yeah. I'm glad you guys are talking about this much about the manga already in his child phase, because I'm just gonna let you know now, there is not a single good character in this manga.

Yeah. Which is also kind of, I mean, ah, When we have depressing stories like this, and there's like, the takeaway is everyone is bad. It's like, well, not very. It's not that simple though. It's not that. I don't see the case of like everyone is bad.

I just see the case that everyone is broken and sometimes broken people surround themselves with other broken people. Yeah. Is everyone in the real world broken? Maybe, maybe. Maybe. I mean, that makes you think.

Yeah, I mean, it really. It really, like even though nothing true We do. Even though nothing truly sad or like, you know, heartbreaking happens, there was this, there was this air of just melancholy that just like, that's just encapsulated the entire first few volumes that I've read. Yeah.

And there was one thing that genuinely did surprise me about Poon Poon that I wasn't expecting. Sometimes funny. Oh, yeah. I wasn't expecting that. The group jackoff session? Yeah. What is up with that?

But I won't be remiss, you know. When you're a kid, you think porn is like the coolest thing ever. And you know, you maybe wanna, you know, you and the boys wanna get together. Yeah. What's that lining in that Pum-Pun Cesar is like, my brains just came out of my penis. Yeah, he was like my brain is liquefied

and come out my penis. And then he asks his uncle and I'm, this is why I was like, uncle's a real G. Because like if I was the uncle, I would, I don't know if I could like stop myself from being, oh yeah, that's two minutes off your life, Poon-Pun. A part of your brain is just liquefied, that's it. There's nothing you can do about it,

you can't jack off. And the uncle was just like straight up with him. Yeah, yeah, yeah. He's a better man than me. Oh yeah. I would have been laughing my ass. Yeah, yeah, yeah. The only issue I have with it is I don't know

when I would be in the mood to finish. That's it, that's it. It's just such a, like, for as interesting and as well written as it is, it kind of was a slog. Oh yeah, it's a slow burner. You're like, oh, you're like, okay, okay. Yeah. Okay, Pompun is not, okay,

because it's pretty much like, um, Pumun's family does something bad, Pumboan emotionally can't deal with something, Pum Pum-P-B gets anxious, and that's kind of like the circle that you're in for like the first, like, 30 chapters, you're like, come on, okay, okay, okay. I don't know, I, I, it's a slow burn,

but I just like, even, I was still like super absorbed reading the first few volumes because I didn't know what was gonna happen, you know? And I feel like, I feel like I fucking love that with a story where you know something is gonna happen but you don't know what, you don't know when.

And just seeing Poon Poon's whole life story unfold was not exactly a wild ride, but it was something that always kept me on my toes. I'm just assuming it doesn't have a good ending because no one talks about this as being like a good thing. So that's what I'm kind of sad about knowing that I'm just watching the downfall. Here's the thing, I can't even,

call the ending good or bad. Yeah, yeah. Because it's so, he does this brilliant thing. Well, I'm not gonna give it away, obviously, but he ends it on this double page spread that is so open for interpretation. Where it's like, you can perceive it, I can see how people can perceive it in a good way,

but you can also perceive it in a, oh God, kind of way. Okay. If you get there, if you get there, you'll know exactly what I'm talking about, and people have ready to know exactly what I'm talking about, but like, it's, That ending blew me away, where I was like, wow,

after all of that, you're not even gonna give us the satisfaction of a conclusive ending. Yeah. And that broke my heart. Hmm. But it's brilliant. Okay. Okay. You gotta read it. Yeah, I mean, it's always, just,

you gotta build up the courage to like, just a long time to be sad for. It is, it's like an eight hour read. Like it's just gonna be eight hours of, like a hundred and twenty something chapters. Just depression for like a whole, I mean, I, whilst reading the first two volumes, I know I'm gonna love this, love.

Yeah, it's hard to even say love. I know, I recognize I'd love it, but I just don't wanna be sad. Yeah, same man, I get it, I get it. Some, sometimes I even just reading in first two volumes, I'm like, I don't think I'm ready for this. Yeah, I'm ready for this.

I'm not emotionally ready for this. Already some minor things happening and I'm like, goddamn, yeah, this is fucked up. Oh yeah. So yeah. It just teases you by like showing you a tiny glimpse of hope every now and then. Yeah.

And then Inyo Asana's like, mm-mm-mm. Yeah. No, no, no, no. Oh, Matt, is gone in my head. Am I playing persona or my play, am I reading the rest of your Osmey Pum-Pon? I don't know. Which one are you do?

I think I would probably read a Yosmi Pum-Pun. Yeah. Peson is just too long. I get it. Yeah. It's just too long. Yeah. I think I would probably be more interested

in finishing my ESPi Pim-Pon than Fire Punch. Oh really? Yeah, I think so. Yeah. I mean, they're both great. Yeah, I mean, they're both great. Yeah. For me, well, I'm already continuing to play Eldon Ring.

I wasn't really a question. You just, it's not even time. I can make time, I know, I just need to find. You gotta, you gotta find the emotional capability. I just need to find the courage, man. You got it. All right. And I will finish our game.

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