Trash Taste Podcast - Roasting our Trash Taste in Manga | Trash Taste #61

Episode Date: August 13, 2021

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Starting point is 00:00:00 Welcome to this episode of Trash Taste with me, your host, Connor and the boys, Joey in Garn. That's us. That's us. Nice of you to be hosting the manga episode, right? I was gonna get into that, Garn. Okay. We're all gentlemen here. We're all, we're all connoisseurs of the fine arts.
Starting point is 00:00:16 You'll read words. You know the trash taste law, right? You know our character development. And you know, you know, the best reader of all time is obviously Connor. That's true. I am reading. That's it.
Starting point is 00:00:29 Librarians wish they could have Connor's brain right now. They wish they could access this fountain of knowledge. And we thought, obviously, the best host for the manga-centric episode, which we are going to be doing today. We don't choose hosts, scorn. It's a rotation. And it just, the stars aligned. They were sending us a message, it's like, it's Connor's turn.
Starting point is 00:00:49 Connor must host this episode. Yeah, so that's what we're doing today. I like how you've hosted the Dogenchi episode as well. I just realized by complete chance. And now you've also hosted the manga episode, right? Can I say, I read. I'm somewhat of a reader myself. Anyway, yeah, as we've said,
Starting point is 00:01:05 this is the manga episode of Trash Tastes where we're gonna be discussing our favorite Manga on our favorite preferred methods. It's gonna be the three by three, which you see on that. We've talked about manga in the past in a lot of different episodes, but I don't think we've actually established
Starting point is 00:01:17 what our all-time favorite manga is, or like our manga tastes, quote. Yeah, it's really weird because when we were thinking about, what haven't we like specifically talked about on theme in an episode? And I was like, wait a minute, We've never talked about manga.
Starting point is 00:01:30 And for some reason, I just assumed that we already had. Yeah. Because it feels like we have, right? Yeah, yeah, definitely. But like, I was like, well, we did the anime. And obviously we did the manga one as well, right? Right. And of course, I'm a bit thinking,
Starting point is 00:01:45 I was thinking about the fact that I wonder, because the movie one that we did recently is probably gonna have a lot more variation. I feel like there must be some more overlap this time, right? Yeah, I'm, I really don't know. Like there's one or two where I'm like, I'm pretty sure if it's not, not on your list, you would put it on your list anyway.
Starting point is 00:02:00 There's at least one I know that I probably, I mean, you're kind of limited in your, I mean, you're so expansive. I know I've probably got at least one, that's the same as you. I think I might have one that's the same as Joey as well. Here's what I realized when I recently read Records of Ragnarok. Is that I've only read really long running manga.
Starting point is 00:02:21 Yeah. I don't think I've read a single manga that had like less than 150 chapters. I would actually agree with you on that. I've, okay, so I realize when picking my three by three is that there isn't that much choice or there isn't as much choice as there is in the anime world, right? Of like manga that really left a deep impression on me. And that's because like manga, you know,
Starting point is 00:02:44 if you watch a season of anime, it actually takes less time to consume it than reading a really long running manga series. Because if it's like a one shot or like a one volume kind of thing, it probably was not gonna leave that deep enough an effect on me. I don't know, man, I've read a lot of one shorts that were like, man, this is dead ass better than some like 20 chapter plus shows.
Starting point is 00:03:04 The Death No Donald Trump one shot. That was good. That left an impression on me. I didn't expect to see manga Donald Trump, but. True of that. And we sort of in the best art style. Yeah, yeah, yeah.
Starting point is 00:03:14 Giving the fucking fist bump to Rio. Yeah, exactly. Honestly, that one shot, I didn't realize how much, I didn't realize how much I missed death no until I read that one shot. And I was like, damn, we kind of need a sequel to death. You was just playing with us. That's the worst part is that it was like,
Starting point is 00:03:28 It was like the pro coming back and just styling on everyone. And I mean like see you by the way. Yeah. You know what I mean? Like just being like I could come back. Yeah, I could kill it. It's like a villain wrestler who just comes in clothes lines and then leaves. Builds all your furniture leaves.
Starting point is 00:03:44 Yeah, oh shit. Okay, that's cool. Thank you. Yeah, but then I also realize making this three by three is that I really haven't read as much manga as I have watched anime. I mean, I'm unfortunately not the manga man. That's probably Joey, right? I think in your head you feel like manga is easier.
Starting point is 00:04:01 Maybe, maybe because you can speak, you can read Japanese fluently, maybe that it is, because you can just pick them up. You can just go to the store, pay two bucks, get the manga, and you're good to go. I mean, as someone called the anime, man, I obviously read a lot more manga than more anime. So, you know, as we all know by now,
Starting point is 00:04:16 the running meme. And I do think that if that was the case, I think I would probably read more. Yeah. But I think because of the fact that I'm not, I do enjoy reading digitally, I like the ease of it, but I do find
Starting point is 00:04:27 that it's a little more, I don't know, it feels harder to get into. Yeah, I don't know why. Did you mean digitally? Yeah, when I'm reading it, I like it. Yeah. But it's getting into it where I'm like, I don't know, because when you see it in the store, you can pick it up, you can flick through, you're like,
Starting point is 00:04:40 oh, okay. There's no better feeling than like a physical picture. Right, right, right. That's how you really get into it. It's usually with manga, because unlike normal books, you have to actually just read it. It pops right out. You can see, oh, okay, I can, oh, damn, okay.
Starting point is 00:04:51 You can like look at it. It just feels like it feels much better. It feels better. It feels like I'm reading. It really feels like I'm reading. Yeah. It feels more special and it feels a bit more intimate, I guess.
Starting point is 00:05:06 And I guess like most of the manga that I put on my three by three, I actually read, I've read on paper. And I feel like, I don't know if that's a complete coincidence. Some of them, some manga I know are really good and I purposely will not read it unless it's physical copies.
Starting point is 00:05:22 Other manga, I kind of like, I maybe read online. And if it's like good, then I try to go out of my way. to buy physical copies. Yeah, but I mean, like I'm saying, I think that for me at least a little bit, anime is slightly easier to consume.
Starting point is 00:05:36 It really depends. I don't really understand how I consume manga. It depends on, I don't really get it. I think I understand, but I don't think I get what I'm doing. It depends on the series for me, definitely. Like there are somewhere just like,
Starting point is 00:05:46 I really fucking struggle to like get into the manga, but for some reason it's really easy to watch the anime in vice versa. Yeah, also another thing when I was picking my three by three is that I really did it. I tried not to pick titles that or had like a big anime adaptation or had, or something that I watched the anime
Starting point is 00:06:02 and I feel like it doesn't make a difference. You're trying to be like guy of like, I don't watch the meme, I don't read the means. No, because like, for example, like I don't think there's any point me putting one piece on, on my, on my three by three. As good as the manga is, right? I'm gonna fucking haunted
Starting point is 00:06:16 with everyone asking me why haven't I started it yet. Yeah, because like the manga is amazing, but I feel like with that, you could either read the manga or watch the anime and you could either have like a good experience on each and I already put it. I don't think this single point, person watching Trash Taze that doesn't know what One Piece is.
Starting point is 00:06:29 Yeah, and I'm just like, do I really need to tell my trash taste viewers that I am a One Piece fan? I was, do you really need to know that? I was my Japanese class this morning, and it was like, they made me listen to, like, Japanese people speak and tell them what they were saying. And I got totally thrown off in one audio clip because there was a woman talking about her dress, but it's one piece. Yeah. One piece. And I was like, oh, she likes Red One Piece? I was like so thorough and I couldn't listen to the rest of it I'm like,
Starting point is 00:07:00 did you say one piece? Like the anime? She didn't know, a bit of a week? And he's just like the PTSD of the heat. Yeah, I was like, One piece?
Starting point is 00:07:07 I can't escape it! Yeah, I remember like, when I was first getting into One Piece, I really wanted to buy the manga volumes. Obviously, anime. You said One Piece on it. Yeah, yeah, I typed in One Piece on eBay and I'm just like,
Starting point is 00:07:21 don't give me a fucking dress. I want the manga. Give me the manga. And I scroll down and it's just like, Dress, dress, dress, dress, dress, it's like, god damn it. All right, gentlemen, man, it's time. Okay, all right, trash box can't decide at all.
Starting point is 00:07:34 All right. Man, we've got some real malage out of this. Dollar, dollar. Yeah, thanks, Navi. You're the real MVP here. 4K hearing. 4K trash boxcun. Who's gone first.
Starting point is 00:07:49 All right, first up, let me get the trash. All right, yeah. First up is Conner spelled incorrectly. Connor. Who did this? Connor. Connor. It's an O!
Starting point is 00:08:00 I'm kidding. Yeah, I'm first. I think I've actually only read, coincidentally, like nine longer. I can probably name all nine that you've read. Alright, can we make a guess? Can we make a guess before you show them? Do we want to confirm if you're right or wrong?
Starting point is 00:08:16 You can do so. Okay, okay. Well, obviously Jojo. Jojo Part 7. Yeah. Berserk. Yeah. Claymore.
Starting point is 00:08:23 Claymore. Ischil 21. Ice Shields, Gantz, that's five. Records Ragnarok? No, that wouldn't be on there. There's something else. What's the cockroach one again? Oh, Terraport.
Starting point is 00:08:38 Oh, shit, I didn't put that on. Oh, damn. We'll talk about that. We'll talk about that as well. What else has he read? Vinland Saga? Yeah, Vinland Saga. That's seven.
Starting point is 00:08:50 I can't think of any more that he's read. DeathNet, maybe? Maybe. Did you read Death Note or watch it? I think he watched it. You know what? All right, we got seven. You're gonna kick yourself when you missed,
Starting point is 00:08:59 you missed one that you're gonna be like, of course. I know there's one that's like very obviously we missed. All right, Ashley, put it up. Put it up. Put it up on the screen. Oh, one punch man, do it. Oh, one punch man, of course. Oh, and Black Butler. Oh, and you are my princess.
Starting point is 00:09:13 So I'm just gonna do a bit of self promo real here quick. I love this manga so much that I made an audiobook of it. You can go buy it by the young book walker. Oh my God. You are my Princess full audio book edition is available. We did not condone of this self-form. Yeah, I wasn't allowed to do this, but I'm gonna do it anyway. By the way, it's actually, okay.
Starting point is 00:09:29 That's where terraformers would go. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Okay, okay, we'll get into terror. I'll quickly, actually, I will touch, on this. It's actually, genuinely a really good B.L story. Okay. Yeah. If you wanna get into BL, it's,
Starting point is 00:09:39 it's good, man. It's about a guy who's like, yeah, dude, I like this guy, but I don't know, this isn't normal, right? But then, yeah, he really likes the guy. That's literally every alley. Yeah. No, a lot of them are really rapey.
Starting point is 00:09:53 Oh yeah, that's true. A lot of them are like, oh, you don't like, well let me make you come and that'll change your mind and it's like, yeah, cyberpunk music play. It's like, hold on, what? It's like, isn't this? Isn't this? And no, no, no, no, don't say it.
Starting point is 00:10:07 It's not weird. It's not weird if you make it. Shut up, it's hot. Yeah, but it's actually a really wholesome manga. And yeah, if you wanna listen to an audiobook form, you can officially license. Anyway, you wanna go through the list in case there are some people don't know.
Starting point is 00:10:19 In case we didn't mention them already. Yeah, so you got most of them, right? Claymore, One Punch Man, Zerke, Jojo, Black Butler, Gantz, Vinland Saga, and Ishield 21. I wasn't expecting Black Butler there for some reason. Actually, I thought you were more of a fan of the anime. I didn't realize you read the manga of that.
Starting point is 00:10:35 Yeah. I've read, which chapter did I read up to? I've read a good chunk of Black Butler. I haven't caught up, because I know that a bunch of shit happened and there's a lot of big plot twist that I know about, but I haven't read yet. Right. But I've read most of Black Butler, and it's so, so much better in manga format than anime. Really?
Starting point is 00:10:51 The first, okay, the first season is basically like kind of like a, I don't know, episodical slice of life kind of thing that doesn't really progress the story that much. Yeah. And the second season is just non-canonical of Black Butler. It's all that. Sorry. I just said, this water just fell down.
Starting point is 00:11:08 I just dripped to myself again. Did you miss your mouth? Cue another montage of me not being able to drink liquids. It's a shame, right? Because it's the whole meme, right? I kind of, I don't already talk about it because I don't want to be, you know, people all kind of want to be like,
Starting point is 00:11:22 oh, he's the Black Butler guy. But yeah. I don't mind talking about it now. But yeah, the third season of Black Butler, the anime is based on like the manga, and it's amazing. Like it's like a really morbid part, it's really dark, and you kind of realize how good it can be.
Starting point is 00:11:34 Yeah. But yeah, the manga is a really, really good read, and I'd recommend it if you kind of like the idea of Black Butler, but don't wanna go through with the anime. Yeah. And I wouldn't have read it if it wasn't for my YouTube videos. Yeah, because like, I've heard the second season of Black Butler, is that different from the manga? Yeah, that's what it's made.
Starting point is 00:11:50 I think it's completely terrible. It's universally, like, hated. Okay. I continually give the manga a shot, it's pretty good. So what's like different about the manga than the anime that you would recommend the manga over it? Well, it's like way more serious, way more like, it doesn't like fuck around and it doesn't really feel like,
Starting point is 00:12:07 because the anime very much feels like it's kind of just yawi bait at times. Yeah, yeah, it's definitely generally pertain to its audience. Yeah, and it's very, and the first season again, it's very casual, it doesn't really, it does, it does it cover a lot of the same things, but it does it in a way that I've just, I think, okay. I watched season one of the anime, I thought it was like, it's fun.
Starting point is 00:12:26 It's fun, but the manga does it so much better. It doesn't so much more justice. And I felt Tobolson Yana's like art style is a lot just like more gritty and like kind of dark. It's so good, which she gets better as well, and it's so good. And the third seed of Black Butler covers like a circus arc. And it's so good.
Starting point is 00:12:42 And the anime does it justice. Book of circus, yeah. So is like the anime finish now? Or is the manga finish, sorry. I think the manga's still going. The manga's still ongoing. Oh, it's still going. It's still going, yeah.
Starting point is 00:12:53 It's quite long running. And I don't know how many volumes are on. I think we're over like 13 at this point. I think it's quite, right more, quite a lot. I think it's like over 20 now. Is it really over 20? I think I've really read up to like 10?
Starting point is 00:13:05 Right. But I really enjoyed it. I don't know why I stopped. I'm pretty going to read it at some point. Because you know when you catch up to a certain point, you're like, I'm done. Yeah, because for me, for me, like my manga reading habits is that I just love
Starting point is 00:13:16 binge reading manga, so much. I can't, once I start a manga, I can start a month. Volume 30 now. Volume 30 of Black Butler? I know I've read over half, I think. Right.
Starting point is 00:13:26 But I don't know how long ago that was. Because I think what was happening is that I got really burnt out on it because I read so much of it in like the space for a week. And your entire career was essentially not. Yeah, then that happened then I got, which, but I think this is probably
Starting point is 00:13:38 gonna remind me to get back into it. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Because with one punch, I did that as well, which we'll talk about later. Yeah. But genuinely, I think even though if you've seen the show, I would give it a shot. Yeah, I've definitely, I did remember
Starting point is 00:13:50 giving the BlackBottle a go. Like, after I finished watching season, because I just, at that point, season two had already finished airing and I just heard, don't watch season two. So I was like, all right, time for the manga then and I just never got to it. Yeah, and there's some, it's really, really dark at times. Like you forget like the main premise
Starting point is 00:14:08 is that in Black Butler, it's a demon and then he's made a contract with him to have his life at the end. And like, they kind of play off it a lot in the anime and make it seem like, oh, oh, it's kind of hot, huh, it's kind of okay, you know, but yeah, in the manga, they constantly remind you sometimes like, oh shit, he just like murders people.
Starting point is 00:14:27 Like straight up and they're not afraid of like showing like really morbid stuff. There's some really good plot twist, you know, like I won't spoil some of them, but there's some really fucked up shit that happens in that. And it's really worth giving it a shot. Even though all the stereotypes, what the, all the, what's the word? Facade, I guess. Facade or the preconceptions that a lot of the Western anime fans have. Because I think in Japan, it's pretty fucking popular, I think. Oh, yeah, yeah. It's popular, but it definitely does have like a strong female audience.
Starting point is 00:14:54 Sebastian is iconic, I mean, being the sexy man of... Yeah, yeah. I mean, he was like the sexy man of anime for like the early to mid-2000s. I'd still argue if you make a list of top five sexiest anime characters, Sebastian's on. Like he is just sexy.
Starting point is 00:15:09 He just has that like cult- He has that like cult full. He has hit the pubs, lads. It's Black Butler in it. Like he's just like, he's just an icon of his time for like anime and manga at the time. Like for like, there's a few like, I'd say characters in like anime that just personified a certain character trait.
Starting point is 00:15:28 Like you think of Yandre for our generation, it's fucking Yuna Gassar. Right, right, right, you know, you think sexy man, it's Sebastian from Black Butler. Yeah, I don't think anyone's replaced him yet. Yeah, no. I mean, the one that got close was maybe like Yuri from Yuri and Ice. Yeah, but even then.
Starting point is 00:15:42 Even then, yeah. I don't think it's as charming as Sebastian. Sebastian is just a staple of like, it's like the sexy but also just very suave, very charismatic. Yeah. Like it is very entertaining. And I feel like Sebastian does carry it a lot of the time
Starting point is 00:15:57 because it's just so fun. And even though he is like obedient, he makes it so entertaining. Yeah. And, you know, again, and even my videos that didn't even remotely do him justice. He's such, he's so witty and so clever in the anime, and the manga, sorry, where it's so,
Starting point is 00:16:11 he's so fun to watch. And the, you know, the third season of the anime is good. And the book of murder, I think it's called. Is that correct? Book of Murder is pretty fun. It's like a mini who done it. Right, right. Within like, in like two hours.
Starting point is 00:16:25 It's pretty fun. That's cool. Yeah, and it's obviously, Sebastian solves everything and does it magically. Which is always fun because it's like, because it's like, what if Sakamoto became a butler later on in life?
Starting point is 00:16:35 That is, that is Sebastian and Sakamoto are just like twins. Yeah, they have the same birth, you know what I mean? They're literally the same person. Like, it is, Sakamoto is just Sebastian in school. Yeah.
Starting point is 00:16:47 Because they literally have the same kind of like, it's, maybe, maybe Sakamoto is a little more tongue and cheek, but, So, Ashton very much has the same kind of visual humor a lot of the time and does like a lot of, you know, he's, the joke is often that he is just so insanely competent at everything.
Starting point is 00:17:02 It's just so O-P. He's literally O-P as fuck, but it's amazing. Like, it's so good. I just love it. It's so, and it's, I feel like there's, this, not a manga that has the same feeling as Black Butler. Like, I don't think there's a single manga that feels like it or anime show
Starting point is 00:17:16 that has the same kind of vibe. Yeah, yeah. I feel it definitely like created a staple for that kind of genre. Like there's probably a lot of manga that's imitating Black Butler. 100%. 100%.
Starting point is 00:17:25 Because there's not many manga out there that do like, deal with like pretty intense themes. They have like all these like thriller aspects. They also have the, you know, the parts that appeal to the Fujio is quite a lot. Yeah. So it kind of mixes a lot of genres together.
Starting point is 00:17:40 And I think even Yana Tobasor herself said that she didn't even know what genre she'd put it in because it's so, it touches on so many genres throughout the manga. Yeah. And that's why I think it's super unique and worth reading. Okay.
Starting point is 00:17:51 Did you watch the anime or? read the manga first. Anime first. Okay. I should have expected that actually. Yeah. So I watched the anime. Yeah.
Starting point is 00:17:59 And you know, I thought, wow, what, I just watched it and I thought it was kind of, man, that's kind of boring. I thought it was okay, you know? I thought season two was God awful. Yeah. And at this time, Book of Cirque's hadn't came out yet. And basically I did that and then someone was like,
Starting point is 00:18:15 oh, you should just do like character impressions for my YouTube channel. Yeah. Oh, okay. I did a few and then Sebastian just happened to be the one that I tried first. And I thought it sounded nothing like him. But then I was like,
Starting point is 00:18:27 a posh British butler guy. Yeah, oh my God, it's him. But then looking back, I'm like, it doesn't even sound like Jay Michael Taylor's war. But, you know, I'm sure he was offended that people were, I'd be offended. Yeah.
Starting point is 00:18:36 And then I did that and then I got, you know, I got surrounded by people who loved it and he kept like telling me, read it, read it, read it. And I was like, reluctant. I was like, no. So wait, what was the first manga you ever read? First manga. Is it on the three by thing?
Starting point is 00:18:49 Um, that you like, distinctly remember. Might have been Black Butler. No, it must have been Black Butler. It was Black Butler. It was Black Butler. And I didn't read any for like two years. Right.
Starting point is 00:18:59 He just thought manga equals Black Butler. Because I got into, I remember this now, because I did a manga dub of part of the, the, I can't remember what the Botarchs called, the Campaign. Just the Bodark. The Boat Arc. The Book of Atlantic, is it?
Starting point is 00:19:15 Book of Atlantic, I think this was called. Because they made a movie about it. I haven't watched the movie. I did a comic dub of Portia of that. And so, yeah, I just ended up reading it because I was like, oh, this arc looks cool. And I had it out of context and I was like, oh, okay, well, this is cool. I'm gonna go read the rest and I start reading it. And I read past that point and then I stopped.
Starting point is 00:19:35 Right. But everything before I enjoyed, but I'm pretty gonna go finish it. Yeah, because what I want to know is that I'm looking at most of these. And I'd say a lot of these have come from recommendations, literally from us telling you to go like, go out and read it. I know exactly which one's gone recommended. I know which ones I recommend it. So, let's do it in the order if I watched, I read them. Yeah, yeah, yeah, go for it.
Starting point is 00:19:56 Okay, so next up was One Punch Man. Okay. Yeah, so what inspired you to read One Punch Man? I guess the anime, right? Season one was too good. Like, how can you, you can't cock block me like that, right? Like, season one was so good. Yeah, yeah.
Starting point is 00:20:07 And I saw the manga and I was like, oh, a lot of the times when I'd see the manga, and when I wanted to go further, like past the anime, I would start reading the manga, and I'm gonna, ah, it's not the same. Yeah, not. But One Punch, one was the one where I was like, Holy shit, this is insane.
Starting point is 00:20:21 Yeah. Like this artwork is just insane. Yeah, I notice you have two Murata Yuske manga. Yeah. I love his art, man. He's a beast, dude. And he's so good at visually conveying, like, action.
Starting point is 00:20:33 Action and also just kind of like metaphors I've seen. God, yeah, let's talk about, I swear, like, because I think, especially in sports anime, yeah. Sports anime, a lot of times, live and die by the metaphor, right? Right, right? Because how can you- Concepts need to be explained?
Starting point is 00:20:47 Yeah, yeah. Because, like, how can you convey a certain or certain like aspect of a sport that people who do not understand a sport can easy understand. You go for metaphors and by far the manga that does the best visual metaphors is Ishore 21. You know, fuck your high queue and your fucking crows
Starting point is 00:21:06 or whatever. Yeah, this is why I would want him to do a chess anime. He would explain the concept of chess through metaphors, amazing. Like this is a pin and he'd figure out some weird fucking way of showing it. I would love that, but sadly it's not popular in Japan, Jess, big rip.
Starting point is 00:21:20 But yeah, One Punch Man, I just like, dude, this one was still to this day one of my favorite mogs. Out of all of these, I still think that One Punch Man is maybe one of my favorites. It's so hard. Yeah, that's the difficult one. Because you have Jojo there as well.
Starting point is 00:21:34 And I think Jojo might be my favorite, obviously. But I think Jojo is my favorite, because I have a difference between my favorite and the one I enjoyed the most. Yeah, right. And I think I enjoyed One Punch Man the most because it was just pure fun. Yeah.
Starting point is 00:21:48 But Jojo is my favorite, because there's so much about Jojo that I love. Oh, yeah. And I love the style of Jojo. I love all of that. And I feel like Jojo is so much more than just the market. It's an experience. It's a culture.
Starting point is 00:21:59 You don't just read Jojo. You live it. You live it. You experience it. You become Jojo. There's just something about Jojo, which we'll talk about later, but yeah, there's something about it.
Starting point is 00:22:10 But one punch man, man, man. Like I finished season one and I was like, okay, I'm gonna check it out. I'm gonna see what happens after. Because it ends, because I mean, after you watch the Boros fight, which, you know, if you don't know what One Punch Man is, I'm gonna explain to you,
Starting point is 00:22:26 it's a guy who beats everyone in one punch. That's literally it. And he's a man. And at the end of the season one of the anime, he has this amazing fight that is so visually stunning. Yeah. And just amazing and it's so hype, but it's probably one of the coolest animated fights
Starting point is 00:22:37 in anime. Yeah. And I was like, okay, I have to know where this can go because everyone's saying the story's amazing onwards. So I started reading it. And I was like, oh, okay, this is pretty cool. The next arc start. and I'm like, okay, this is really interesting.
Starting point is 00:22:50 Right. Because we start the, what's there is the monster arc. Yeah, and the Garu arc. Garo, yeah. And they introduced Garro, which is like one of the main characters going forward in the anime and manga. And season two covers, I'd probably say the beginning,
Starting point is 00:23:03 just barely the beginning of one of the next arc. It's a long arc, yeah. It's very long, it's still ongoing on the manga. Yeah, I started reading it and I was like, God damn, this man's drawings are just another level. Yeah. Yeah. Actually insane. It's insane because, like,
Starting point is 00:23:18 I remember reading One Punch Man before the anime came out because everyone was hyping it up. So I was like, it was the one show when I'm just like, let me just see, let me just read like a chapter or two, just to see what can I, what I can expect. So I tried reading a chapter of two and then I read everything that was out.
Starting point is 00:23:32 You can't, you can't pick that up and not read everything. It's impossible. And then I remember reading it and being like, there's no way the anime is gonna live up to this hype. I was just like, there's no fucking way. But like, not, not because the art is like, I think some of the best art that's available.
Starting point is 00:23:47 I mean, there's, Dude, when you turn the, there's a panel, right, where Saitama punches so hard, the cloud split. Yeah. And in this panel, like the detail on the earth and the clouds is insane. No, there's some panels that are literally just animated keyframes.
Starting point is 00:24:01 Yeah, yeah, yeah. Where you read it, and it's just like an anime, because it's just basically keyframes, right? So like, I was very, very impressed at, you know, the team at Madhouse for being able to put their own spin on his amazing fucking art. Yeah. Like, living up to this amazing art.
Starting point is 00:24:18 But even without that, One Punch Man is some of the best battle shown in like... 100% art that you can find in all of anime and manga. Yeah, and I think that we'll... I'm very glad that One Punch Man season one was animated the way there was, because I think anime season one is more of a comedy. Yeah. And then season two onwards is an action. I feel like the comedy very much takes a backseat after the first arc.
Starting point is 00:24:42 Well, yeah, because I mean, you can only do so much with that single concept, right? Yeah. But like the way that they made it work every time was so... Oh genius and funny. Like One Punch Man season one is one of the funniest shows in anime. Yeah, I agree. And in the manga, I feel that although the art is much better,
Starting point is 00:24:56 I feel like the comedy doesn't hit as hard because the comedic timing is super important for jokes. And I feel like you can't have as good comedic timing when you're reading something as when you're experiencing it, the joke. I think it's just like a different experience or different, it's a different type of comedy. But a joke read aloud will always be funnier
Starting point is 00:25:12 than a joke you've read. Like that's just. Oh, I don't know. I disagree. I think, I thought that too, until I read, like, stuff like Gintama. Yeah, but I bet the Gintama anime delivers the lines funnier. I don't know, it's hard to say.
Starting point is 00:25:27 Like, sometimes it does, yes. But then there are some chapters that I think Gintama is the only manga that's genuinely made me laugh out loud reading it. And that's, like, a very powerful thing to say, right? Because, like, again, it's like, as you said, a joke is much funnier said out loud. Yeah. But it's like timing, timing, you know,
Starting point is 00:25:45 everything playing into the joke. There's so many aspects that can help elevate the joke in anime. I think that comes down to, at least with manga, how good you are at, like, framing. Yeah. And I think Murata Yuske is so fucking good at framing, like a concept that he can just somehow do that with comedy as well. Like, he already proved it with actual 21's like action scenes, right?
Starting point is 00:26:04 Yeah. And this man can also do comedy as well. I'm like, what can this man not do? Yeah, I've read the original one web comic. Oh, yeah, yeah. How was that? Yeah, it's a lot harder to go to. So explain one can't draw.
Starting point is 00:26:20 That's why you got Madyushka. The original, yeah, the original One Punch Man is a webcomic. I'm sure you guys know this, it's a webcomic and then Manato Yuske picked it up and was like, hey, let me draw good for you, like real good. And then it published and Shonen, not jump. It used to be jump, right? Jump plus.
Starting point is 00:26:34 Jump plus now, right? It's once a month, which is painful because I think one did weekly. I believe the webcomic's over now, right? Is it? Kind of. It's not over, it's just on hiatus. Oh, okay.
Starting point is 00:26:44 Because I've read up to everything that's out, and it's just kind of in the middle of an arc right now. But like the manga right now is adapting the, it's so... It's in the monster arc still. Yeah, it's still in the monster arc. So it's taken the webcomic as kind of like a basis and just really expanding on that. Yeah, I've noticed because they've,
Starting point is 00:27:05 in the differences between the manga and the web comic is that they've put aspects of the story that happened, they've moved them around in the manga into like better timings. Yeah, yeah. Like there's some characters that got their backstory in the webcomic at a certain time
Starting point is 00:27:20 that they were shifted to them when they were having a fight they got the flashback and their backstory like there's a superhero called super black alloy who is a man that is super muscular that's his thing
Starting point is 00:27:33 and he gets his flashback in a different time but in the actual the redone manga he gets it during one of his fights with Gauru which I noticed was like oh okay that's interesting
Starting point is 00:27:42 I didn't know they were mixing things around but yeah the manga is Oh my god, just take one look at some of these panels and you'll be, yeah, you'll be reading it. Oh, yeah. Yeah, it's definitely one of the best action manga I've ever read, if not the best, honestly. Yeah, it's hard. I can't think of anything that
Starting point is 00:27:59 in terms of pure action and fights that comes close and mine are. I mean, I haven't read many, so I can't say, but anime and stuff. I mean, I still think it's one of the best. It's definitely one of the best, yeah. This episode is sponsored by ExpressVPN. Um, we started. Using the internet without ExpressVPN
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Starting point is 00:29:26 Terraforms is great action. That was a great model. But like, the story is kind of mad at times. Yeah. But the action is spot on. It's so cool. We've spoken about Terraformas before, but Terraformers is just a manga,
Starting point is 00:29:38 which is one of my favorites. And it has like a ridiculous amount of chapters. I think like 400 something? I think it has. It has a lot. It's almost, 30 volumes, I think. Yeah, and it's like, I think they just started a new arc
Starting point is 00:29:49 when I stopped reading it and it felt like it was gonna be the last and biggest arc, and I was like, fuck me. I think it's already finished. Has it? Is it finished? I think. Has it? I don't know. No way. Because when I- I only read up to around like volume like 11 or 12. So the concept of terraformers, which I, dude,
Starting point is 00:30:06 I was so fucking sold on this concept because I was like, that's fucking bad. Yeah, it's very cool. So they sent a mission to explore the moon. Yeah. And when they got it, there was cockroaches that could just, that were just ripped.
Starting point is 00:30:18 Like, Gigachad. Like, giga chad cockroaches. Someone had shot their fridge into the moon and it had cockroach on there. Yeah, by that, sorry about. It's like giga-chat cockroach. I know we've spoken about Terraforms before on like the third episode or something.
Starting point is 00:30:32 Yeah, it's been a while. Yeah, so there's cockroaches on the moon and turns out they're not just any normal cockroaches. They're giga-chat cockroaches that are like super human beings. Yeah. Super smart but have the senses of cockroaches. Yeah. So this whole team,
Starting point is 00:30:45 dies that goes there. And you see this right away, so it's not a spoiler. So then Earth goes and they're like, we must do something. So they go and get warriors or people they think are worthy to fight and they inject them or in their DNA with insect DNA.
Starting point is 00:31:00 Yeah, insect DNA. So each one of them has insect attributes. So one of them is like a praying mantis mixed with a human and so he can punch really lightning fast. Oh, one of them, I think they injected with like a flea so they can jump really really fucking right. Yeah, yeah.
Starting point is 00:31:15 And one of, and this was, when I was sold. One of them got the, what is the fuck, what's it called? It's the shrimp that can like flick at like, oh, the punching shrimp. The mantis shrimp.
Starting point is 00:31:23 Yeah, yeah. It's the mantis shrimp that can break glass by flicking the air in front of it. And I was like, oh shit, I know the mandis shrimp is badass.
Starting point is 00:31:31 And so then they send them to the moon to go and do research and fight back against this. Fight the chat. And it's so fucking cool because then it turns into like a political thing because obviously if they're shit on the moon,
Starting point is 00:31:43 there's going to be a lot of countries arguing about what's going on there and who, Did it, yeah, was this here? How many, how many chapters I have? 20, 20 volumes. Okay, is it over or is it still gone? It's 2000, yeah, it's over.
Starting point is 00:31:55 Okay, it's over? Yeah. Okay, I need to finish it then. Well, I guess, I guess this is just, the Conony's to catch up to manga episode. I read it three years ago? Yeah, mm-hmm, and it was still ongoing. Yeah, yeah, yeah.
Starting point is 00:32:06 When did it end? A couple of years ago, right? 2014. No. Oh, so. I think it started in 2014, didn't it? It started 2011. Oh shit.
Starting point is 00:32:16 Wait, when did it finish? Really? There's no way I could have read everything because when I finished reading it, it was not done. Yeah, yeah, it was still going at that time. I'm pretty sure. Are you sure it's over? Yeah, that would be sure.
Starting point is 00:32:26 Either way, you need to catch up on it. Either way, I need to catch up, and it was such a fun manga. And if you like One Punch Man, I think you'll love Terraformers. I'm curious, how did you find Terraformers? Because most of these- I watched the anime. Oh, you're sorry, I'm sorry, you had to answer that. I'm so, so, so.
Starting point is 00:32:42 What convinced you from the anime to be like, I'll read the mark. Maybe the manga is better. Yeah. Okay, so Terraformers had an anime adaptation and it was notorious for being absolutely dreadful because what they did was they made this extremely gory anime. Yeah. And they were like, this is great.
Starting point is 00:32:58 Let's just censor everything. Yeah. But they did it in the worst fucking way. They literally put black dots and bars across the screen. So there were some scenes where you couldn't see anything. It's literally infamous because I remember when it first- Put some screenshots on the screen. Yeah, because I remember I read the performance before the anime came out
Starting point is 00:33:13 and I was just like, how are they gonna adapt? because some of these scenes are pretty, like, brutal, pretty gory. And then I saw that, I think the famous scene is where like the cockroach is holding someone's head. And he's just holding a black dog. Because dude, this, I'm still convinced, right? If this had like a good anime adaptation,
Starting point is 00:33:33 like a solid animation, like not one punchman level, but close to it, right? Of the action scenes being done that well, this would be like fucking top 10 anime. And that's why I was looking forward to it, because I remember I got, recommended the manga from like one of my friends, who he was like, dude, you have to fucking read.
Starting point is 00:33:49 This is amazing. And right, I was like, oh. Because could you imagine the shock people would get when they're like, there's a scene right, where it's very early on, so it's not really a spoiler, but one of the scene, because they're all the teams drop in different locations on the moon. So you kind of get like play by plays
Starting point is 00:34:01 and where all the different teams are on the moon. And one of the scenes where one team just goes out out of the ship and immediately just, they see a flash and someone's lost their head already. Yeah. And it's like, holy shit. And it was like right after she was injected as well. Yeah, yeah, yeah.
Starting point is 00:34:15 He comes apart where she kicks us and then immediately dies. Yeah, yeah, and it's like, oh shit, they're stronger. Yeah. And it's like, everything about this show is so hype. Yeah. And like, reading the manga, it's like, okay, how are they gonna build on this? And they just keep finding ways to make it more and more interesting.
Starting point is 00:34:30 Yeah. It's like, holy shit. And the art style is so good. It's the artist, it's so good. Like, the manga just never stops kicking off. It's like permanently just kicking off. It's constantly popping off. Yeah.
Starting point is 00:34:40 There's always fights, and if there's not fights, there's some, like, game of thrown's political shit going on. Yeah, yeah. And it's like, Like, all right, just as we're on the moon doesn't mean that China doesn't hate Russia. Like, there's stuff going on.
Starting point is 00:34:50 Yeah. It's like, it's so, it's so good. And it's, yeah, and I love how they introduce, like, I love it when shows, when there's a lot of characters that is like, this is the character, this is where they're from, this is their ability. And you're like, sick, sick, thanks. Now I can mentally remember that information.
Starting point is 00:35:05 Yeah, because the, how I discovered Terraformers is moving on to the next show on your list, which is Gantz. Like, I literally finished Gantz, I was like, I need more shows like. Yeah, it's very reminiscent of Gantz. And I think it's just like how brutal and unpredictable, like, unpredictable it is in terms of who's gonna live,
Starting point is 00:35:24 who's gonna die. And I feel like it's, you know, it's the meme where if you can't predict what's gonna happen or who's gonna die, it's like, oh, it's gonna like the Game of Thrones, but like the first time I actually was like properly shocked at who lived and who died was fucking Gantz. Yeah.
Starting point is 00:35:41 Which I don't know if how much we can go into spoilers about Gantz, but, Like, you cannot predict who dies in it. It's insane. And the anime was like, it was decent. It was pretty solid. I feel like if you are between the ages of like, even though you shouldn't be reading this for 16,
Starting point is 00:35:57 but if you are the age of 16. No, no, no, no. This is like the perfect, I think I watched the anime when I was 16 years old. This is like the most I'm 16 and I wanna be experiencing badass. Because, okay, there's a scene that happens very early on, right?
Starting point is 00:36:10 And this is quite graphic where, so, I wish I could just play in the premise, right? Okay. So, Gantz, what happens is, wait, how does it very, very start? It starts with the two main characters jumping in front of a train. Yeah, so.
Starting point is 00:36:22 Oh, that's, oh my God, yeah, yeah. So the two characters die in a train crash, or like, and that scene was fucked as long. Yeah, so they died pretty brutally in a train crash. And afterwards, they wake up in this room and this black circle has transported them to this room, along with a lot of- So fucking icon.
Starting point is 00:36:41 Along with other people who have just died, and the ball. They're all wearing suits, right? And everyone's wearing a suit. They kind of look like they're wearing like gimp suits or whatever. Yeah. And they're told that they have to go kill this alien.
Starting point is 00:36:54 Oh, wait, no, they don't wear the suits. They're told to wear the suits. Yeah, they're told to wear the suits. It looks like, it looks like a fucking... It does like a gipsuit. Yeah, it does kind of look like a gim suit, right? And there's just a moment in this anime, that's a slight spoiler, but not really.
Starting point is 00:37:06 It happens really early on. Where, like, a girl gets transported in the room, and he's like a teenage boy, He's like, let's have sex. And she's like, okay. Yeah, yeah, just have sex. And you see it, and you're like, whoa, okay, what? And they don't do a terraformer in the anime.
Starting point is 00:37:22 Oh, no, no, no, no. They show it in the anime. Well, there's literally two sex scenes in the anime. Yeah, and he just started having sex there in the fucking hallway of this house. That's right. And it's like, it's like, whoa, okay, I haven't experienced this before in a manga
Starting point is 00:37:37 just fucking happening, all right? I don't even think Dojans get into the sex scene. No, no, no, no. It was literally just, girl, He's like, do you wanna have sex? Cause we're dead? And he's like, yeah, sure. Yeah.
Starting point is 00:37:46 And I remember watching, literally watching Gantz when I was about like, yeah, 15, 16. It is the most, I'm 16 and wanna be bad-in- show. And I'm just like, oh my God, they're showing a sex scene in an anime. But even even now, right? When I read it like last year, you know,
Starting point is 00:37:59 it's one of those shows that there's nothing quite like it. So you're like, whoa, this is really fresh. Holy shit. I haven't experienced anything like this. Yeah. And it doesn't hold punches, you know, and the whole aspect is that they have to kill these demons that exist in the human.
Starting point is 00:38:12 Aliens. Aliens. Yeah, they say that there's been aliens that have been living in the human world and then they have to like kill them and so. And they're worth points and they have to get X amount of points to come back alive. Yeah, exactly. Or you know, there's different things that they can do with points.
Starting point is 00:38:26 They can bring people who have died before back to life as well. The point is that to kill an alien, first you think it's like an easy thing to do. Yeah. But like it's really, really fucking difficult to kill these aliens. And every arc there's a different alien that they need to kill. and there's a different... It's harder and harder.
Starting point is 00:38:44 And it gets harder and harder and progressively more and more people die to the point where you can never really expect who's going to live and who's going to die. Yeah. And I remember, like, I feel like... I feel like the peak arc was part two because it's like separated into three parts, I think.
Starting point is 00:39:02 Yeah. I think part two was the best. Part three had some really, really good moments. I feel like there is a certain climax to Gantz that really, like, it really... It made me really existential. Yeah, yeah, yeah, I know you're on about it. Yeah, and without sporting two specific details, when they find the creator of these balls,
Starting point is 00:39:22 that fucking scene, just like, I remember reading the events of that scene, and I'm just like, oh my God. This man did like 10 tabs of LSD. Yeah, like, it's so, it's so like gigabrain existentialism. Yeah, I mean, have you read anything else by OkuGee? Yeah, I know he did the, uh, Iniyoski was fucked.
Starting point is 00:39:40 Yeah, I've heard, I know of the other stuff, stuff he's done and it's all fucked. Yeah, yeah, I've heard. He did in New Yashki, the most recent one he did was this one called Gigant. I've heard of this. Gigant. Yeah, Gigand. It's like Gigac and Gant put together.
Starting point is 00:39:55 Yeah, another just awful. Gigant is also just like, I've started reading it. Is it finished? No, it's still going. I can't take that title seriously. It's really fucking good, but it's like, you know it's an awkward hero manga because it's just fucked.
Starting point is 00:40:08 There is one scene that I will warn you is extremely questionable in in the show. Oh yeah. And we spoke about this before on the podcast is extremely questionable. Just giving you a heads up. Yeah, it's a little, a little racist.
Starting point is 00:40:20 Quite racist. I mean, Ice shield has a similar scene. Oh yeah, yeah, yeah, I think we spoke about this before on the podcast as well, but just, just get heads up. If you do go into it, there is like that moment. Yeah. It's very yikes in like, okay, uh, all right, all right, cool, like, yeah. It's, what I love about Gantz and, uh,
Starting point is 00:40:36 Terraformers is just, it's pure bat shit insane fun. Oh, yeah, it is. And like, it's, it's kind of like, the edgy 16 year old in you. But like there are some- but it brings out the 16 year old in you with that thinks like, just fighting and death is badass.
Starting point is 00:40:50 But like there's like two like kind of different categories that I put this in, you know? There's like the edgy 16 year old kind of shows where it brings that out of you and remembers what you felt like when you were 16. And then there shows like Elfin Lead Amirai Nikki.
Starting point is 00:41:05 I also that's the elephant lead. I'm just like, damn, why the fuck did I ever enjoy this? Yeah, yeah. Yeah, again, I can look back and I'm like, that was good. Yeah, that was good. I was gonna look back, I'm like, why was this even remotely popular?
Starting point is 00:41:15 Yeah, I was like, Elf-L-L-L-Lead 10 out of 10 when I was 16. I'm just like, was I like, was I this easy to trick when I was 16, when I saw blood and tits. Yeah, when you're 16, this is new to you. Like, this shit is exciting. You're like, whoa, they can do this?
Starting point is 00:41:29 Yeah, it's edgy, it's artistic. Yeah, it's just like, yeah, it's crazy. Yeah, I remember a point when Elfin Leed was literally, when I joined the community, Elfin Leed was considered like a modern-day classic. Yeah, yeah. I think to a lot of people it still is. Like, I think, no.
Starting point is 00:41:45 I think to a lot of people still do. Really? Yeah. And then someone was like, if you thought the anime was good, read the manga, because it's like completely different. And I was like, all right, that. And it's no different.
Starting point is 00:41:54 No, it is. It is very, it's actually more fucked in the manga. Oh, okay. But like, you know, 16 year old EGME was like, how could they improve on this? And then you read it now and I'm like, all right. Yeah, I mean, I think I like, full-malchemy last before it, you know?
Starting point is 00:42:09 Yeah, yeah. And then just going from that where I was like, okay, You went for a full middle arcumst of Elpin. Yeah, yeah, I was like, looking at my monitor, like all, like, with all these fucking pop-ups everywhere. Like, whoa, what the fuck? She just cut them up. Yeah, yeah.
Starting point is 00:42:20 With like ghost arms, like what? Yeah, I think that, like, the next show after Elfen League and Miraniki was probably Akamika Kill, where, um, where I remember he got so fucking popular. And I'm just like, I watched the anime. Okay. That is peak, I'm 16, I'm 16, like, I'm 14 and this is deep. I am convinced, right?
Starting point is 00:42:42 Okay, I like Alvin, I like Akema Gail. I'm just gonna say it right now, I like it, okay? I don't care what people say. Okay, I like it, fuck you. I like the anime. Yeah. Yeah. I like it.
Starting point is 00:42:53 I still like it. Okay. Okay. Okay. Okay. That's fine, that's fine. You're entitled to your wrong opinion. This is, this is good, I think this will make sense.
Starting point is 00:43:02 Okay. This is how I view it. Sure. P.O.V. You're a fairy tale. You're tired of fairy tale. You want something a little edgier. You go immediately to Akemega kill. That's, it feels, think about it.
Starting point is 00:43:13 It is literally fairy tale with fans, but with way more edge. Because it feels like fairy tale in many aspects where it's like, this is dumb, dumb shit. Why specifically fairtale? Because people who like Akemega Kill are fairy tale fans. You are all right, you're all right about it. It is literally, if you are a fair tale fan,
Starting point is 00:43:31 I bet you love Akemega Kill. Yeah, you are right, 100%. Think about it, think about it. I'd say it's more seven deadly sins. No, but that's all kind of in the same pool. Seven deadly sins. I think is slightly different. I think we need to make a chart
Starting point is 00:43:45 of like what you're likely to like based on which show. Can we just get like a cork board? Yeah, we do, right? I think, I think if Seven Deadly Sin is on one end, it's like Hunter Hunter is on the other end, I think. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. And then what other Sheridan's are there?
Starting point is 00:43:59 Like, I don't know, just like, I don't know, fucking Seven Deadly Sin somewhere else. To me, I can't make a kill is just like the generation that go into Seven Deadly Sins or Fairy Tell, and then they also watch much Mirai Nicky. And they were like, what if we just combine this? What if we just combine the two? And then you get a Kamika Kill and you're like, great.
Starting point is 00:44:16 I, you require even less brain cells to enjoy this. Brilliant. I, even though I recognized the ending was fucking dumb for Akemega Kill, I liked it. I thought it was fun. I had a great time watching that. I'm not afraid to admit that. Just the plot twist in that?
Starting point is 00:44:30 I was just like, come the fuck on. Yeah, it was come the fuck on. But I still had a lot of fun. Like, before that I had a lot of fun with the show. I really enjoyed it. Admittedly, as much as I clown on Archimago Kill, kill. First like five, six episodes, pretty fun. Yeah. It's just like brainless fun, but.
Starting point is 00:44:45 You know what else? I read the, I read all of as well. Well, it's rumored now. Sorry, would you have anything else to say? No, no, no, I was just gonna say like, I read all dead man wonderland. Oh, really? Yeah. Oh, that's also, I'm 60 to do. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. It's just sure. It's all rushing back now. I, I wanted, you know what? I went on the thing where I was like, the anime ending sucked. Yeah, I was like, I wanted, I had this, uh, this was like two years ago I read it. At the feeling I was like, you know what? I just want to finish an manga to an anime that didn't get an ending.
Starting point is 00:45:11 And I was like, okay, Dead Man Wonderland. Yeah. And the manga was definitely better, but the manga had a shit ending too. Yeah, I mean, not as bad as the anime, but it's still not as, yeah. Yeah, it was still a shit. It was fine.
Starting point is 00:45:21 Dead Man Wonderland is very five and so. Yeah, I think I was exactly the same because I finished Dead Man Wonderland. And I liked the anime a lot. Yeah, the anime was great until about episode 10. Yeah. And then there's the last couple of episodes where they were just like, oh,
Starting point is 00:45:31 ran out of budget. Yeah, basically. And so I was like, okay, okay. I need to see how this is. Yeah. So what did we talk about so? I mean, do we need to talk about Jojo? Do we really need to talk about Jojo?
Starting point is 00:45:41 Do you want to talk about Jojo? To read seven. Yeah. I haven't actually read Jejolian yet, but as at the time of recording this, they just announced that it's gonna end next month. Yeah, next month. I'm probably gonna speed run reading Geolion.
Starting point is 00:45:55 Yeah, I- so that I can talk about- I still have to read, like, I think I'm like one volume behind right now and it's pretty fucking good so far. I'm surprised the ending of this soon though, because I'm not gonna go into it. I've heard that it was,
Starting point is 00:46:08 not too long ago that we got introduced to the main villain. So I'm not gonna, I don't wanna, I don't wanna say anything, because I don't know anything, that's just what I know. So, because everyone was telling me that it had so much much left, but whatever. I'm gonna, I'm probably gonna read it, I might make a video about it.
Starting point is 00:46:22 I don't know if I should, on my main channel. It's pretty good. Maybe I will, maybe I will. I wouldn't say it's as good as- I think it would be on brand for you, right? Yeah, it'd be on brand for you. I, in my opinion, it's not as good as past six or seven, but it's up there.
Starting point is 00:46:34 It's still pretty good, it's Joja. We'll see how this, how your feelings will change with the new. Yeah, I mean, I don't know. Like, the ending of JoJo might be fucking amazing, right? Yeah, true. But, yeah, Jojo, I mean... I mean, it was the Jojo manga that made you a Jojo fan, right?
Starting point is 00:46:48 Yeah, so it was definitely, I was watching Part 5. And I wanted more of Part 5 because it hadn't fully aired. Yeah. We were only like 10 episodes in, and I was really enjoying it. So I went and picked up the manga, and I just fucking loved it. Like, I just had such a great time. It's a shame that it's the English official releases are quite slow. I think they just finished part four translations.
Starting point is 00:47:11 Yeah, I mean like... Oh, really? Yeah. Oh, geez. Like a lot of people forget that Jojo just like was this super fucking underground manga that only like a select few people really read before the anime became a thing. And so there was just no interest to translate it officially until the anime came out. Now it's weird seeing it become this like massive one of the most biggest anime franchises.
Starting point is 00:47:33 I remember I made a video on what was it? It was like, I had this series like back in the, it's like five years ago. I had this series where I would like go into manga and like kind of find like myths and like kind of secrets and stuff like that and kind of talk about it. I remember I made a video on,
Starting point is 00:47:48 it was part three, Oingo Boingo and there's that like, you know the manga that you opened, the 9-11 thing. I made a video on that five years ago, no views. No views at all. I was like, oh my God, and that's when I realized I was like, oh no one in the West knows Jojo. Yeah, I, I feel, at that point. I feel like Jojo was,
Starting point is 00:48:06 such a 50-50 on whether it would do well. Yeah. I'm really surprised that it did. It just got, I think it just got lucky with the memes. I think so, yeah. It was like, it was like so perfected for meme culture
Starting point is 00:48:18 that it was like so ahead of its time. Yeah, and it's really weird. Because it wasn't really memed until part three. Yeah, yeah. The anime came out. I feel like I did not see anything about it until part three came out. And then I saw, I never stopped seeing
Starting point is 00:48:33 the Dio versus Jodro, like Steam, Steam sale memes, you know? And you'd see a ton of memes with the Auro and all that. Yeah, yeah. That's when it really started picking up steam, I think. And then it started, then I think the,
Starting point is 00:48:45 people started realizing how good the anime adaptation was. And then part, I remember it really kicked off during part four, yeah. In the West was when it started really getting some steam. Yeah. And then part five, just like insane. Out of the Lord. Yeah.
Starting point is 00:48:59 The part five anime adaptation of Jojo really like, sent it into like, this, like, because the fucking Jordanos theme, yeah. did numbers for the meme community. Oh yeah. And JoJo in general, I mean, how many people got into part Jojo in general
Starting point is 00:49:11 from the memes? From the Johnnos theme. Yeah. Because I mean, it's like the, what was the undertale theme? Megalvania. Megalovania. Yeah, it's up there with Megalovania in terms of like iconic meme music.
Starting point is 00:49:22 It's that of the anime community. Yeah. Right? Because think of like iconic me music that came out in the past 10 years. What have you got that like actual like iconic, like super iconic? You got Joos theme,
Starting point is 00:49:32 Megalovania. There's probably some other than forgetting. Yeah. But I think there wasn't really an explosion of like, Joja never exploded. You just slowly crept up in popularity until you couldn't, you couldn't like, still was inescapable. I got a guy really helped.
Starting point is 00:49:48 Since part five started airing, it really blew up. Yeah, I feel like a noticeable change. Yeah, in my opinion, part five is probably one of the only parts where it's actually better in the anime. Yeah. Yeah. Part four, I think you can go either all. Part four is yeah, either one. Three, two and one, 100% the manga.
Starting point is 00:50:03 Yeah. I think part three was like dragged out too much in the anime. Yeah, you can speed run it. Yeah, you can be like, all right, okay, okay, go. Obviously don't do that, but you can get through it at a good pace. Yeah. But the part three of the anime is very slow, which I think Jojo in general is better in manga,
Starting point is 00:50:19 also because you have part six and seven, which are very good. Part seven being especially notorious for being just amazing. Part seven is amazing. Part seven is where I feel like Iraqi really came into his own and finally made like the perfect Jojo part where there was no pacing issues. Yeah.
Starting point is 00:50:35 Feel like every part of Jojo had some kind of weird pacing at some point or another. Every character was fun and like memorable. Yeah, like so for example, like part three, it drags out a bunch. Part two is very short and sweet. You don't really get too much, but it's very nice and that's why part two is really like.
Starting point is 00:50:49 I mean, Joseph's the only redeeming factor about part two in a long ways, right? The villain's boring. Yeah, right? Part one. I mean, it's notoriously, you know. It's quite boring. I won't lie.
Starting point is 00:50:59 It has a lot of charm as a Jojo fan. I enjoy it. But at least it's short, right? It's very short. you can read through it. Part four, Kira, who is arguably one of the best villains in Jojo, isn't there for the first half. So you kind of get a slice of life for the first part,
Starting point is 00:51:11 which is fun, but it takes a while for it to kind of find its footing. If you're not a fan of that kind of stuff, then you can easily like fall off it, and be like, why is this popular? Why do people like this? Part five is very solid. I think that Giorna is one of the weaker,
Starting point is 00:51:26 Joe, Joe, Joe, bro's. Joe Bros. Joe Bros. Joe Bros. You know, Boot's right to really does carry. Part five. Yeah, yeah. And then part six, you know, it's good.
Starting point is 00:51:37 It also has a bit of a controversial ending. I really like it. I like it, but some people don't like it. I can understand why people wouldn't like it for some parts of part six are a little weak. But part seven is like, from the start to finish, banga. Every single character, banga. Like the villains, even like the side villains.
Starting point is 00:51:52 I mean, it does have kind of the least memorable Jojo's though. Johnny. Uh, yeah, I don't know. I feel like when we get- Johnny doesn't get good to like the last quarter, maybe. Johnny comes into his own, yeah. But I feel like Jono doesn't really come into his own. No. At any point.
Starting point is 00:52:07 No. Sorry for going on a whole talk about Jojo. Watch or read Jojo. Just talk about Jojo. Jojo fans being Jojo fans. Exactly. All right. You need to read it because then you can experience part seven, which you should 100% read. It is amazing. No, you can't skip to it. Don't do that. Yeah. Because part seven has so many references to previous parts. You'd be spoiling it. Read it all. It's amazing. Yeah. Yeah. All right. What else? Vinlan Saga?
Starting point is 00:52:29 Vinlan Saga. Did you put this on your list or not? I didn't put this on my list. Oh, okay. I almost did, but then I was like, the anime's out. Midland Saga gets to go on my list, one, because they spelled a Welsh town correctly. Yeah, it's got one of the most badass,
Starting point is 00:52:44 like, antagonists in like manga, and he's Welsh. He's Welsh as well, of course, I didn't, I knew you'd love this. Let's go, lads! Represent! They went to like somewhere and I was so glad that they, I really wanna, because I, obviously I read it in English, I really wanna see how they
Starting point is 00:53:01 this Welsh town in Catacana. In Katakana. Like, because it's like, it was like Brechenyog or something. Right. Yeah. And I was like, how the fuck do you, how the how on earth do you? I don't remember how, I don't remember how they spelled it.
Starting point is 00:53:13 I really want to see how they spelled it. I was just like, oh, that's a funny name. Because how on earth do you put the, sound? They probably don't. They probably didn't. Yeah, they probably did like, rock cook, leh. But, uh, yeah, no, honestly, memes aside, um,
Starting point is 00:53:26 Vinlan Saga is amazing. Brilliant. Like, I think even if I had read more than 10 manga, it would still be on there. It is so fucking good. And it's on hiatus and it's still amazing. Is it on hiatus? Yeah, isn't it?
Starting point is 00:53:40 I don't know. I feel like it's still on-go. I read up to a certain point. I caught up and then I stopped. What is it about like all these like Sainan manga? The Sane and classics, I would like to call it, that just eventually go on hiatus. The Sane in masterpieces always go on hiatus.
Starting point is 00:53:54 Yeah, Sane and masterpieces always going on hiatus, right? Man, it's just, villain's saga is just amazing. And like, when you really, it's a fucking prolog. The first arc is just a prologue. And yet it's still one of the best stories. Okay, what you think for, because if you've seen season one of Villan Saga,
Starting point is 00:54:11 you know what the prolog is, you know what the main, the main beginning arc is. What do you think of the farmland arc? I really like the farmland arc. I'm excited to see the reaction of the anime only viewers to the farmland arc. Okay, so we won't talk too much about it, but it changes the pace drastically.
Starting point is 00:54:29 Yeah, if, okay, so if you think, I think that if you go into season two, thinking that it's going to be in the same vein as season one, you're going to be disappointed. The way I find a feel about it, right? Is that Berserk and Vinland Saga, they have a crossroads and they both went different ways with it. Yeah, yeah.
Starting point is 00:54:49 Whereas, you know, for example, guts, right, never stops becoming violent. Yeah. Guts argument becomes more violent every time. And you know, Vinland Saga tries to make a character that maybe feels a little bit more guilty about that. Yeah. And so that's what was really interesting for me,
Starting point is 00:55:02 is that they weren't just like, okay, this guy's good at killing. Yeah. That's what he does now. He just keeps killing. It's like, no, he actively, like, he matures. He doesn't want to keep doing that. And that's what's so interesting about it. And really recommend reading it.
Starting point is 00:55:14 It is just amazing. It's like a huge artistic risk he took with that. Oh yeah. It paid off. It's like his, the worst thing he did was making the prologue so fucking good. Like, imagine that being the worst thing you could do. You made it so fucking.
Starting point is 00:55:30 good that people expected you to keep doing that. And it's like he keeps doing it, but in a completely different type of story. Yeah. Because it's like, villain saga is fucking incredible, but like the prologue is so different than the rest of the story that if you come into it
Starting point is 00:55:45 with the same expectations, you're gonna just get whiplash. You're gonna be like, where's the action? Where's the killing? Where's the violence? There was so much of this in season one. And I was just like,
Starting point is 00:55:54 well, once you've realized that the story was never about that, that the story was all about They were building it up the whole time. Yeah, when you realized that everything that his father said at the beginning was what the story was meant to be about from the get-go.
Starting point is 00:56:08 And everything else was just like, everything else was like a bigger tangent than anything that we've ever gone on. Yeah, season was just a tangent. But it's so true to life because even if your dad told you shit, you wouldn't fucking listen to him. But then you'll realize when you were an adult,
Starting point is 00:56:20 he was right all along. Exactly. Exactly. And it's genius. I'm sorry, I went against you, father. It's so good because it's so, like, even though the situation's obviously crazy, but even though it's not that, because it's set on like a real part of history.
Starting point is 00:56:32 Yeah. You know, and it builds characters in such a compelling way that are so realistic and every single character in this show, you're like, I believe that could be a dude. Yeah, yeah, I believe that I see parallels to myself and some of these characters that are uncomfortable. Yeah. And that's what I loved about it.
Starting point is 00:56:48 It was so good and it presented war in a horrific way. Yeah. As war should be. Yeah. And so if you haven't, please do yourself a solid and read Vinland song. And read it is amazing. And I'm so excited.
Starting point is 00:56:58 If you like Vikings, it's all about that. And just, you know, just at least read it for Ascalade. Or at least watch the anime for Ascalade. Yeah, yeah. Well, I represent. Because he is honestly like, I think one of my favorite characters. Oh, yeah, in the media. Oh, yeah, straight up.
Starting point is 00:57:11 And also, I mean, I'm very excited for the reaction to anime fans, anime only fans to the, uh, season two. Yeah, season two. Yeah. To be like, hey, when does, when does stuff happen? So how long are they gonna, how long are they gonna stay on this far before? Yeah, it goes from like doom to runescape in like one chapter. It's like, it's like, it's like,
Starting point is 00:57:29 It's like Far Mill. Like Star-D Valley or something like that. I guess that's spoiled is enough, right? Yeah. I mean, Berserk, we literally just talked about Berserk. Yeah. It's a classic for a reason. I've spoke about Claymore before.
Starting point is 00:57:41 Yeah. Claymore again is very similar to, I guess, berserk in some ways. Yeah, I'm in Stark fantasy, right? Would you say you enjoyed it enough that if you had read more manga, you think it would still be in your three-by-three? I don't think it would be on here
Starting point is 00:57:52 if I'd read some other big names that I know I would enjoy. I think it's got a bang of first half, and then loses its steam. Yeah. You know, there's some stories where you're reading the manga and you're like,
Starting point is 00:58:04 this motherfucker planned everything. Yeah. Like a blueprint. Yeah. He knew exactly what was going to happen and he knew exactly where this was going. Whereas the Claymore, I feel like,
Starting point is 00:58:13 they were just writing it and he had a core idea and he just didn't, or they, I don't know if it's a guy or go. Yeah. They just didn't really know how they wanted to finish it. But that's the,
Starting point is 00:58:23 I believe Georgia Aramarden talks about this. There's two ways of writing stories and there's the architect and the, something like the, something to do with like growing plants or something. Yeah, yeah. One likes to design everything like a building. You have every single aspect, like out perfectly.
Starting point is 00:58:37 And the other, it's like a greenhouse. You just kind of grow things, see where it goes, see what goes with it. And I definitely feel like that is a riskier way of doing stories, but also can lead to some super interesting results. Yeah. And I feel like Claymore just kind of lost. And I feel like the architect like type is like,
Starting point is 00:58:51 the downside to it is like you could build too much and then you kind of have to like, oh, should I have to pick up all these pieces somewhere? Maybe you build it. Maybe you build too much of the world, which sometimes is a bad thing. I mean, you can pull a Togashi, right? Just like hunter, hunter, introduce like 17,000 things.
Starting point is 00:59:05 It's just harder to maintain. Yeah, exactly. Like you put more bricks down and you put more bricks down and then you forget the foundations you laid. Yeah. You start building a chimney where you've already built like a fireplace on the other side. It doesn't make it like any sense.
Starting point is 00:59:17 Exactly. Maybe I'm running out of bricks. I don't have much time left. My back hurts. I can't draw shit. I should have thought about this. Or you could just be like Iraqi and just be like, I'm just gonna pipe the scene here and see how it goes.
Starting point is 00:59:27 Which is what I love about, that is the perfect example of that kind of writing. Iraqi literally just gives you ideas and then he just keeps expanding on it. And you can tell he has some idea where he wants it to go, but you can tell also there's so many, you can tell there's so many moments
Starting point is 00:59:40 where he just, and he even says it himself, right? Where he just decides to do things. He doesn't remember half the shitty road. Yeah. It's such a fun way, and it leads to such fun writing. Yeah. 100%. But yeah, Claymore, although,
Starting point is 00:59:52 an amazing concept, amazing first half, yeah, definitely. And the art is so good. Yeah, the art's like up there. That's one of the best. Fucking love that. What is it about dark fantasy where just the art is just always a bang?
Starting point is 01:00:03 I don't know. It's like a rite of passage, right? Oh, you wanna write a dark fantasy? Show me your drawing. You better have godly art. And for some reason, I'm a simple man. I like rankings. So whenever there's characters and they have ranks
Starting point is 01:00:15 and like they're clearly- They're clearly defined as, this is number one strong, this is number two strong. I don't know why, I love that. I mean, you're a gamer. Yeah, because it's like... I feel like there's just something embedded to like humans that just like ranking things.
Starting point is 01:00:29 We love ranking things and I love, and then the story aspect of number seven could actually be stronger than number two in some ways and that's super interesting. I can see why you're like One Punch Man. Well yeah, I love the hero rating system of One Punch Man. I think it leads to such interesting like characters in really strange ways.
Starting point is 01:00:48 Like yeah, I love the bicycle man in that. Yeah, I mean that's just why that's just part of like Shonen anime, right? Yeah, we need to rank people because people like ranks, people like Power Rangers. What are the, what other show on YouTube is gonna make videos about if we can't fucking rank? Exactly, right?
Starting point is 01:01:02 In Japanese companies, you get ranked on your performance. Yeah, with a rank and, like, a grade. It's like, I wanna be number one. Yeah, so like, it's, it's like they love doing it. It's everything needs to be ranked here. I'm gonna make a bidet rank. What I love is how everyone's just found out, like, power ranking things just like, people just,
Starting point is 01:01:20 you could power rank the most mundane things. This is why we have tier list, gone. This is why tierless things are, right? The tier list is. It's literally just power rankings. Yeah, yeah, yeah. And then obviously, I shield 21, which is, I've watched Kurokano Basket,
Starting point is 01:01:33 I've watched Yomushi Pedal. What are the sports anime fans? Hikyu. I've watched Hikyu. Slam dunk? I haven't read Slam dunk. I haven't read Slam dunk. Okay.
Starting point is 01:01:43 But so far, this is my favorite sports story. Oh, yes. It's awesome. And again, like the visual- This single handling got me into American football. Yeah, I still don't know the rules fully, but I had a fun time. I mean, it's very,
Starting point is 01:01:55 Very deviated from real life. It is. I'm watching real American football and I'm just like, where are the metaphors? Well, where, where? Not gonna lie, like, I was like, when I read this, because I was like in the prime my childhood when this was in show name jump, right?
Starting point is 01:02:10 So everyone, like, everyone was trying to like do rodeo drives and like devil bad ghosts and shit like that. Where's the devil bad ghost? It's just a great fucking market, man. It's so good. I'd be lying if I said I didn't practice rodeo driving. Yeah. I'm like, this is the one move that is probably like,
Starting point is 01:02:25 the most feasible in your life. If I ever throw a football ever again, you bet I'm gonna like picture a fucking angel behind. There's a panel where like he throws this ball and it's like this amazing artwork of like this angel. It's like the angel throw or something. I remember this panel that's like a spread
Starting point is 01:02:43 and it's fucking beautiful. And it's just, oh, it's so good. I think some of the best is where you see the battle of the metaphors and I think it just makes the sports scene so much more hype. Because I can't remember the, because it's been years and years.
Starting point is 01:02:58 But I remember like very vividly, just someone kicking a ball and it's just like, it's kicked with like so much force or something that it like penetrates something that's, fuck, I'm speaking, what was like the second to last match? What was like the best match was against the best school? Yeah. They were like the best school in Japan.
Starting point is 01:03:18 Yeah. Because that was probably the highlight of it and then afterwards they fight America. That's right. Oh yeah. And that was kind of, that kind of sucked. But yeah, they go against like the best players. Yeah.
Starting point is 01:03:28 The real number seven? The real number, the real. 21, 21, I show 21. Fucking hell. The real ice show 21. The real ice shil. Yeah. Sorry, I don't know if that's spoilers.
Starting point is 01:03:40 That might be spoiler actually. Muran, spoiler warning. Put this before. Yeah. Yeah, it's brilliant. Yeah, they face the out of the real Ischel 21. And they all have interesting powers. Yeah.
Starting point is 01:03:51 That is literally, it's literally crocono basket on the field. I think the guy who wrote Ice Shield 21 went on to do another show in John Munga. Dr. Stone? Yeah, he wrote Dr. Stone. Right? Yeah, I remember that. Very good, very good story tell. Very different as well. Yeah, I like that. All these I would recommend.
Starting point is 01:04:11 All these are very, very solid shows. I mean, it's like, it kind of gives off the vibe of just like, yeah, I've only read nine manga, which you kind of have. At least you've read nine great manga. You've read like nine great manga. Thank you, thank you. Good taste.
Starting point is 01:04:24 Assuming the bottom. left is replacing the telecomers. It's amazing. Yeah, and this one you can read on Book Walker or listen to you on Book Walker as well. I guess it's kind of good you went first because I guess you can listen to some of mine and Joey's recommendations or like some of our favorite manga.
Starting point is 01:04:39 I mean, I'm not gonna say I recommend everyone that's on my three by three. Yeah, me neither. But there are definitely some recommendations that I think everyone should read on my three by three. So shall we move on to who's next? Good evening, it's me, the monk. Have you ever listened to
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Starting point is 01:05:42 Next, manga three by three. All right, we have beer. Yeah, we have beer. This just appeared. Cheers, boys. Cheers, boys. Cheers. Cheers.
Starting point is 01:05:49 Cheers. Cheers. It's been a very civilized three by three so far. But, I mean, what can we complain about this, honestly? Normie. Yeah. Is it normy though? Ah, kinda, I'd say it's pretty normaly.
Starting point is 01:06:01 I don't think it's... I don't know, man. You... Listen, ain't nothing wrong with a bit of boys' love. That's as normaly as it gets. Who's next? Um, which of you wants to go next. I don't mind going next. You don't want to go next?
Starting point is 01:06:14 I don't mind going next. Alright, let's see what Joey has to say then. This might be, oh no, okay. Why is that so tight? Hold on, I'm all we from... Joey. Oh, it's me. Oh, okay.
Starting point is 01:06:24 I actually thought this was gone. I could have sworn I folded God's tiny. This is not fixed. I just, I'm just saying. Put Joey on the screen. You're exposing us, Connor. You're exposing us. Scripted.
Starting point is 01:06:35 This is Joey, too. It was destiny. There was two joys. That was not made. I swear we did not, when I asked him to go next, that was not fixed. This is like the Google
Starting point is 01:06:48 when people search up, what is Giguck's real name? Joey. Joey, that's Joey Fitzinger. All right. All right, well, put mine up. It was rigged, but whatever, we'll have Joey's up next, I guess.
Starting point is 01:07:00 Oh, is my normally? Okay, do I know all of these? Okay, let me try and guess this. All right, so, Berserk. Obviously. I guess you put Jodja Part 6 specifically. Yeah, I like Part 6 specifically. UUHakshah.
Starting point is 01:07:10 Yeah. Do you know this one? Is that Mesa from Death Note? Is it, is it, is it, is it, no. Fuck, I, I, I, do you recognize? I kind of recognize this. Well, isn't it, uh, is it the Assassins thing?
Starting point is 01:07:26 Assassin's thing. No, that's Hitman Reborn. So, no, this is, this was a fucking, wait, wait, it's a Shonen. It's Shonen, jump. Yeah. Black Cat. It's Black Cat. It's Black Cat. I've seen the anime, Black Cat.
Starting point is 01:07:36 Very good. Is it, Mr. Monga good? Yeah, it's fucking awesome. Wait, why did the anime suck dick? I don't know, I didn't watch the anime. What? The anime was... This is a manga three-by-3. I'd seen this. I'd seen this. I've seen this boy with the X triple three,
Starting point is 01:07:50 Vin Diesel. All right, so, this one... I forgot his name was Train. Yeah, it's a train. This is the line rider, right? That mini-cliffe. Yeah, line-rider, right, yeah. What is this?
Starting point is 01:08:03 I don't know what it's all. That's my question. Of course, I knew that was gonna be on there. That doesn't look depressing. That doesn't look depressing. He's the main character. Yeah, he's the main character and everyone else is a normally drawn character.
Starting point is 01:08:16 Yeah, okay. And then... And then slam dunk, B-stars. To Love Roo? No. We bought the whole collection of To-Loveru. recently, right? Yeah, accidentally.
Starting point is 01:08:28 You wanna explain the story? Okay. So I got scammed, quote on quote. So I bought all the volumes of Boba Bo, Bo, which was one that I thought about putting up here. But it was only volume one and four, though. So basically I opened up volume one, and it was, I bought a second hand, so I was like, okay, it was whatever,
Starting point is 01:08:48 it's cheap, so it was whatever. And I was like, all, cool, I'm gonna relieve my childhood. Open up volume one of Bobo, it's volume three of tall over. They just literally, replaced the cover. I got scammed. They literally just put the cover of Bo Bo Bo on the front of this. But it's volume three of the locker.
Starting point is 01:09:07 Do you reckon they did it on purpose or an accident? I reckon it's by accident. So I was like, wait, don't tell me all of these at all. Lovely that one. For some reason, volume one and four was? So it's probably just, you know, you know when you're like, take a DVD out to watch it and you have to put the DVD in the DVD player back in the box? And then you forget that you've just like,
Starting point is 01:09:25 Who the fuck replaced the cover? Yeah, yeah, I was gonna say, how does that happen? That analogy would be fantastic if manga were interchangeable things. It was more like, you know, like, a bobo-bo-bo set was owned by like a teenager. And it was like, well, I need to hide the degenerative shit from my mom. I'm gonna put the bobo-bo-go-com. Oh my god, that was totally it, wasn't it?
Starting point is 01:09:42 That was totally it. It could be it. Like, they'll never know. My mom will never know. Mom will never know. She just think it's Bobabo. Some kids jacked off, Dior. Bobo-Bobo Volume 1.
Starting point is 01:09:51 Time to throw that out. Is this ginger eater? That's Uzmaki. Oh, yeah. And this, I'd be surprised if you know, it's Ichigo 100%. Oh, it's Itchigo 100. I've heard of this.
Starting point is 01:10:01 I have not read it or watched it. Okay. So which one would you like to know first? Obviously, I think we can get rid of Berserk and Jojo because we already talked about that. Already talked about that. So you, Hakasher and not Hunter Hunter? Okay.
Starting point is 01:10:14 I'm probably gonna get destroyed. Okay. Haven't read Hunt Hunter yet. Oh. Whoa, I can't believe you haven't. Wait, wait, wait. I haven't done that before. Shut the wrong.
Starting point is 01:10:25 Have you watched it? Nope. Okay, where I've watched it and it's amazing. Yeah, the only reason why I know- The biggest Togashi Sim hasn't read Hunter Hunter. I know so much about Hunter Hunter just from outside information, but I haven't actually read it or watch it.
Starting point is 01:10:41 I own all the volumes right now. I think it's sitting there waiting for a rainy day. I think it's safe to say this. It's the best show of the anime. I feel like- Why do people say that? I feel like I've been lied to. Because the amount of times
Starting point is 01:10:52 we talk about Hunter Hunter and me and Connor have just like been talking about the dark We always mean like Netro getting hyped up. Yeah, yeah, I just always assumed that Joey was just like literally all the information I know is because people around me don't stop talking about. That is not okay. You need to go watch it. What the fuck or read it? The anime's amazing. I never said I read it or watched it. I just assumed the anime man had watched Hunter Hunter. I feel like this has just been a game of among us now.
Starting point is 01:11:18 Yeah, yeah, the fucking imposter. We've exposed the guy who's an The guy who's the animator in this name was the fucking imposter. There's an imposter among us right now. I know so much about Hunter. I could probably like give you the outline of how it goes, but I don't know the names of the arcs. I want to go back to every clip now. I know like Darkhontan and Arc,
Starting point is 01:11:36 all of those, the Hunter Exam Arc and all that. You know them? I know them. Again, because I hear it from everyone. You have to watch it. What is this? Again, I know I will love it. Of course I'm.
Starting point is 01:11:48 Yeah, yeah. I fucking love Togashi stuff. You, Huckshar, I fucking grew up with. What's on your back? I don't know. Just, no, come on. What I wanna know is how we've just found out about this, despite the fact that we've talked about Hunt Hunter,
Starting point is 01:12:01 so many times on the podcast. Is this publicly know? Is this widely available information? Yeah. You've like been a part of the conversation, I swear to God. I don't know, we're gonna have to like rewind every clip where we've talked about Hunter Hunter. I've said it on streams multiple times.
Starting point is 01:12:13 I've never read or watched it. I can't be there for the whole three hours, Joey. You know? But yeah, like, again, I know so much about Hunt Hunter Hunter. about Huntana, and I know I'm gonna like it. That's why I'm not in a rush to read it or watch it because I know I'm gonna like it. Me and full Meadow Alchem.
Starting point is 01:12:27 Yeah, I get it's like, of course, it's like. We've just found Joey's full Metsuilis. It's like, it's like, it's right up the street there, like it's just, I know. And again, like I know it's gonna be good because I love Togashi. Like I do you, Huckshaw's fucking amazing. I don't know.
Starting point is 01:12:39 Don't read it, watch the anime. The anime's better. Do you agree? Uh, yeah. Because I've heard both sides of the argument. Listen, what's the other side of the argument? The other side is that, the manga is good because Togashi's good.
Starting point is 01:12:54 I mean, that's, so it's basically just like a preference in medium then, right? Pretty much, yeah. I mean, yeah. I mean, I'm probably going to watch and read both, to be honest. It's just a matter of which one to do first. Yeah, I mean, Hansenzo is just prime madhouse, and Madhouse haven't been at the prime for, like, a long time, I think. Yeah, and the manga also looks like napkin drawings a lot of the time.
Starting point is 01:13:14 Not in the volumes. And the volumes? The volumes. The volumes? The volumes. The volumes. In the shonen jump volumes, the magazines, it looks like shit.
Starting point is 01:13:23 Oh, because he redraws it for the actual movies. I finished the anime and then carried on reading. And I was like, am I reading like one web comic right now? Like, what is this? It was about that drawing style, wasn't it? Yeah, it's, yeah. Yeah, wow. Yeah, but then he takes the time to actually
Starting point is 01:13:39 redraw everything properly for the actual book. So the books look fucking amazing. I guess that makes sense, but also kind of sad if you're a big hunter, Hunter family waits, and then you have to go back and read it. But if you read it like that, Maybe they like that. And you're probably, yeah, it's not right.
Starting point is 01:13:50 Every weekly, LaMal. Yeah. When it was serializing weekly. Yeah, right, weekly. So that's your favorite Shonen Jump title of all the time. Well, I mean, here's the thing. A lot of these are Shownishu.
Starting point is 01:14:03 Yeah, so. What's Black Cat doing? New York Show, Black Cat, slam dunk, Ichio 100% Jojo. It's all jump. Oh yeah. I wanna, let's talk about you Huck Show. Because I've ever watched,
Starting point is 01:14:13 I think I mentioned on the podcast one time, I tried to start it. And I just couldn't stand the audio on that, on, on, I don't know if you watch the anime. I watched five minutes. Oh, I can't take this. So Yu Yu-Yak Show, it does like what I like to call a reborn.
Starting point is 01:14:29 Basically, it starts off as a comedy, ends up as an action. Same thing with Dragon Ball, right? Like, Dragon Ball started off as a comedy and then Z came along and it became the action that it's known for. So like, you, Huckshaw, the first couple of arcs like when you Ski, the main character dies. Like, it's kind of like a slice of life, right?
Starting point is 01:14:44 Yeah, that's not a spoiler. Literally first panel, you skate, our main character gets hit by Karen. dies. Yeah. This was before Isikaa was the thing. He didn't go to another world, he just, he just died. He just died.
Starting point is 01:14:55 I know a lot about Yu-Hakashu without ever of watching it. Yeah, right? I know a lot of, I know the bad guy. I know there's an epic fight with one guy. And I know who it is. And then, yeah. Because you know the tournament arc, right?
Starting point is 01:15:07 I know the tournament. He literally just described literally every shonen anime of all the type. I know the bad guy, I know there's an epic fight with the bad guy. I know what the bad guy. You literally could have fucking described Jojo. I know what he looks like, I know who it's gonna be.
Starting point is 01:15:21 He's the Giga Chad, right? What's his name? I don't know, Giga Chad. Gigachad, Gagachara. It's Togoro. Togoro. That's yeah. I don't think he's even the best villain of the-Higachshod. He looks like the, you know,
Starting point is 01:15:32 if you watch Ferry Odd Parents? Crimson Chin. He looks like, yeah, you know, like, have you watched Ferry-O-Ferry on? Yeah, he looks like the buff fairy from Ferry-Hatt parents. I have not seen Ferry-L-I. Let me pull it up. Let me pull it up. Oh my God.
Starting point is 01:15:46 It does, right? Let me, uh, that's like, like, Togoro like zero percent looks like the buff fairy from, from fairly odd parents. Oh my God. He looks, he looks, he looks, oh. Every time, every time, every time I see the bad guy from you, Yukashio, I just see that guy. Really gonna be do my boy, Togura, like that man.
Starting point is 01:16:09 Because he has, he has the muscles, but like the weird neck. Yeah, yeah, yeah. And it's literally like the fairy on parents. I can't believe you do that. He looks exactly like that. Oh my God. Look, put up the picture.
Starting point is 01:16:22 You've just ruined one of the, like, best villains in all of Shonen anime in manga. I can't believe Togashi copied off fairly odd things like that. Yeah, I can't believe they did him dirty like that. I hope of Nicolodeon got plagiarized. Oh my god. It's the same. It looks the same.
Starting point is 01:16:41 Good old Toggera. All right, so like, so have you ever seen the anime of Yu-Uhaka show. I have. I love it. Not a fan, not a fan. Not a fan? Is it?
Starting point is 01:16:51 I don't know, it's a bittersweet, right? Because it's like, the same thing with Black Cat, where it's like, I love the manga so much. Yeah. That like, it wasn't like the perfect adaptation that I wanted. Like, it was good, but it's like, I rather just reread the manga. What was missing to make it the perfect adaptation?
Starting point is 01:17:07 As someone who's like, I haven't read the manga of Yu-Hakashu, I've only seen the anime. Oh, really? Yeah, yeah, yeah. Oh, did you like the anime? I fucking love the anime. Well, then you'd fucking love it. the manga even more.
Starting point is 01:17:16 Okay, but like, is there anything I can get from the manga that I couldn't have already gotten from the anime or just rewatch the anime? Because I thought the anime was like a really good adaptation. Yeah, like record to record rock. No, it's better than that. That's solid animation, you know? I mean, I don't know, like, I think this might just be like
Starting point is 01:17:33 the whole thing with like how manga art styles, I feel age better than animation in a lot of aspects. Yeah, in my eyes. Demon Slayer begs to differ. You think so? A demon slayer in the manga, I just like, looks terrible compared to the anime. Well, I mean, that's because like the animation,
Starting point is 01:17:48 so the character designs change differently, right? But like in the anime adaptation of Yu-Hakshah, they did a pretty good job of like re-adapting Togashi's art style, I feel. I haven't read it from what I've just seen of it. It looks one-to-one to me. I don't know if it's, I'll just a glance. That's like a person who should glanced it both.
Starting point is 01:18:05 I sometimes look at clips of the anime of Yu-U-Hakshan. I'm like, something about this hasn't aged as well. I mean, okay. What was it, 90s? Yeah, it's 90s. The 90s animation is a, Some of it hasn't aged very well, because it was quite, yeah.
Starting point is 01:18:17 I mean, some of it's like very janky, limited animation. This is like a 90s anime. But like they still had like, when during the big fights, there are still like those sarka-go moments. Absolutely. Like those have age wonderfully. I mean, I honestly think at this point
Starting point is 01:18:32 it's just like a personal preference to me. Like the same thing with slam dunk, right? It's like, slam dunk for me, like I watched the anime as well. Okay. A fucking banger of an anime. And but it's like, I just personally prefer the manga to be honest.
Starting point is 01:18:42 I actually have like huge problems with that slam dunk I think that's age horrible. I've heard the same-dank anime isn't really good. And that's because- Might be a nostalgia factor too. Yeah, it's probably his nostalgia factor because I watched it in university
Starting point is 01:18:54 and I was just like, man, this is a really slow sports anime. My fucking God, and they literally like take 10 episodes or something. It's like 120 episodes, yeah. I do think sports anime, sorry, sports shows, sorry, sports properties in general, almost better in manga normally. Like I just, just because of pacing.
Starting point is 01:19:12 Yeah, I think that that's true like 10, years ago or 20 years ago now. Yeah, you think, no. Because like slam dunk, Ice Shield, I would like recommend the manga. Way over- Yeah, I watched an episode of Ice Shield. I mean, that's why for me, like, both slam dunk and you are showing my manga through by three, not my anime through.
Starting point is 01:19:27 Yeah, yeah, yeah. Like, I much prefer the manga of this. Yeah, because like, I feel like old sports anime, they had horrible pacing, but like shows like, high-kew, Kuroko. Actually, Yoh Mushi Pedal, I really enjoy. Yeah, Yaj Mushi Pedal. Like, they, I think, I think within the past, like, new generation of sports, I'm They've really fixed their pacing issues
Starting point is 01:19:46 to the point where if a match lasts more than three episodes, then it's like a super, super important match. Like, have you seen Haiku? I've watched the first two seasons. Okay, so season three is like one single match. It's like 10 episodes. And when I saw that, I was like, here we fucking go again, another, another like,
Starting point is 01:20:04 Dragon Ball Z-esque fight scene in a sports anime. But like, that match was so fucking intense that it needed 10 episodes. And it was just funny, it was not stretched out as all. Yeah. At all. And that was like, to me, like, the highlight of high Q so far of the anime.
Starting point is 01:20:21 I enjoyed Krokono basket. I thought the, I enjoyed the pacing on that, even if it felt, yeah, it was quite fast, really. Yeah, I think it was like, actually good pacing because it was like never more than three episodes. Yeah. Because how many, like, I can only be invested in one match for like so long, you know.
Starting point is 01:20:36 There's only so much that can happen in a single match. Croco was really good at building up the bullshit, I think. Yeah. Yeah. What do you mean? You know, they, they weren't rushing too much. into like the powers. Yeah, they were pretty sparingly adding them in,
Starting point is 01:20:47 I felt, and then I didn't watch the movie, but everything else. The movie was there. Everything passed the main run of the, what is it, three seasons, two seasons? Three, yeah. Three, after the, how many is that? 50 episodes.
Starting point is 01:21:00 Something like that, I guess. Over 50 episodes, yeah. It's where they beat the, the, the, does it end? It doesn't matter, but the point, the point was that after like that, that was like not really invested anymore. It's such a shame for me,
Starting point is 01:21:13 because like, from the, I didn't watch all of Kuroko, like, but from what I did see, I really enjoyed it, but it sucks because for me, now Slam Dunk is just like forever, just ruined basketball. I wonder if I will read Slam Dunk and I'll feel like I can't enjoy this,
Starting point is 01:21:28 Kroko's better, or if I'll feel that like- There's definitely been both cases. So like, I've recommended Slam dunk to people who first read Kuroko. Yeah. And they were like, ah, it's not as good because they just used to the Kuroko format. Because like, unlike Kuroko,
Starting point is 01:21:41 slam dunk doesn't have any like superpowers. It is like, It's just very rare, bare bones, raw. So it's like an NBA jam versus NBA 2K. Yeah, yeah, pretty much. Yeah. Like it kind of like, it kind of like takes the fact
Starting point is 01:21:55 that it is probably one of the most realistic adaptations of sports in manga. Yeah, but it still makes it just as exciting. But it does it in the most like cinematic, like fuck yeah type of way. And I mean like, you know, in the case of slam dunk, like when that first came out in Japan, that created a fucking cultural phenomena.
Starting point is 01:22:12 Well, every time I was, I have an old taxi men here and he asked me if I like anime or whatever. I'll be like, yeah, I like anime. And then he's like, oh, do you like slam dunk? They always ask me. Yeah, they're in like 40s plus. They always ask me if I like slamming. Yeah, it was like a cultural phenomenon here in Japan,
Starting point is 01:22:24 wasn't it when it came out? I think the year that it came out, I think I read something like, of all like middle schools and high schools in Japan, the attendance of basketball clubs raised by 600%. Well, basketball is a huge sport in Japan as well. Yeah, but it was, but it got big because of slam dunk. Yeah, I mean, it was that good.
Starting point is 01:22:40 I mean, in my opinion, slam dunk, the final chapter of slam dunk, is still one of the most beautiful chapters in all of manga. Yeah, I mean, he had balls to just put zero dialogue. Yeah, the entire last chapter has zero dialogue. Yeah, I'll get that one day. And it just stands.
Starting point is 01:22:54 And it is the most cinematic final chapter of manga ever in my P. But I mean, like, yeah, so I mean, obviously that's great. So black cat. All right, so black cat for me. Okay, so you know how my character, like my avatar on YouTube has that cat was? Yeah.
Starting point is 01:23:10 Oh, so that came from black cat? That came from black cat. Oh my God. Okay. So Yabuky Kenta, who's the guy who made Black Cat, he has this thing in all of his manga. So he also illustrated To Lover as well. And, uh, and uh, I mean, it is fucking good.
Starting point is 01:23:23 But, um, he has this like kind of Easter egg thing in all of his manga, where in every chapter of his manga, he puts this like little white cat in at least one panel of every chapter of his manga, just as like a little hidden Easter egg. And it's that cat face that I use as my mask. So like, originally like fucking back, way back when on like new grounds and shit like that.
Starting point is 01:23:43 That was just my logo. Oh, okay. And then it adapted into my current avatar. But like, I don't know, Black Cat was like, it's weird, it's definitely heavy nostalgia factor, but I think this was the first time I ever read a manga, and I was like, wow, like, manga artists are fucking talented. It was the first time where I was actually wowed
Starting point is 01:24:04 by a piece of art work. Do you wanna explain what happens in it? I can try and explain, but I honestly can't remember anything. It's been a while. Yeah, it's been a while for me as well. So like, you wanna do you wanna do you wanna do you wanna do you wanna do? He's not a black cat. No. But that's like his code name?
Starting point is 01:24:18 Yeah. He's an assassin, right? He's an assassin. He's number 13. That's it. And his name is train. He has two guns. Train heartnet. Is it? Oh, is that it? Train heartnet. Train heart net. Is it two guns? Two guns? Yeah, he has two guns. Two pistols. Yeah. And then there's Sven and Eve, I believe, with the names. Sven and Eve, okay. I remember that this was the first, because I, when I just got in town of me,
Starting point is 01:24:41 I'd say anything I remember about it. This is the first show that I was like, yeah, you know what? Not every anime is above a seven. Fuck. This is the first show that I was like, I'm gonna teach you a lesson. As an example to the other anime,
Starting point is 01:24:53 you have five. You know what I mean? Like I gave it a lower score than I would have just to be like, yeah, you know what? Just to prove a point. I give out fair schools. So I give it five. I didn't.
Starting point is 01:25:02 I think I remember watching like a few upsets of black cat years ago and it was just me, it was just that phase where you'd watch everything. Yeah, yeah, yeah. And then I was like, cool, guy, Blackco, he looks kind of cool. I'll watch a few episodes and it was just like, wow, I am, uh, so what happens at it?
Starting point is 01:25:16 Extremely overwhelmed. So Black Cat is like, he kind of, uh, so Train, obviously he starts off as this like assassin, but then he escapes from the organization that he's part of and he basically, the entire manga, he gets chased by the organization members to come back to the organization, because he has like all the series or whatever.
Starting point is 01:25:35 And like, there's a dude in the organization, or I think who also left the organization, who is like, he's basically like, the quintessential male yonder. Like it's really, like, I remember the main bad guy is like, I don't know, I've never really heard of like a male yandari antagonist before in a manga. Yeah.
Starting point is 01:25:54 Especially in a shonen manga. I just realized out of context, you kind of sound like you're describing John Wick or something. It's like, and he left the organization and he's an assassin. He's just gold coins for everything. Yeah, they killed his dog.
Starting point is 01:26:07 He killed his black cat. How dare they? Oh, damn they. He's on a mission to tear down the organization. But yeah, basically, and then, like, Sven is the guy who, like, has, like, he's, like, an explosives expert. And then Eve is this, uh, he's like this,
Starting point is 01:26:25 she's like this test tube, like, experimental. This is when every single manga had to have, like, a rag tag band of people who could do special things and have comedy with. Okay, so why is this in your three by three? I'm so curious. It's in my three by three because it was one of the first manga series. Okay, so when I,
Starting point is 01:26:41 was growing up reading manga. I obviously started off reading things like Doriamon and like the Kota Kota Comic Magazine which was more aimed towards kids under the age of 10 years old, right? And then when I got to around 10, 11 years old, I was like, oh, you know what, Doriamon, quarter quarter stuff? It's a bit too young for me.
Starting point is 01:26:57 I've got a big, yeah. I'm a big boy now. I'm about to enter middle school, right? I wanna read some of this middle school. Dance. Yeah, Gants. So I was like, you know, I wanna read this like, Shonen Jump thing that I keep hearing
Starting point is 01:27:10 all my Japanese friends talk about. So at the time I borrowed one of my friends Shonen Jump magazines. And I think that particular magazine, Black Cat was on the cover of it. Oh, okay. Because Black Cat had like, because like every month and every week on Shon and Jump,
Starting point is 01:27:23 they have like, they changed the cover. You know, some chapters have like, you know, colored pages and some of them are like, have like center colors and stuff like that. And I think Black Cat had a front color chapter. And again, like, you know, you go from Dorimon to this. Right? Like clearly this is gonna make you go, whoa! What the fuck is that?
Starting point is 01:27:43 And so, yeah, and I think, like, honestly, I really enjoyed it. I mean, Yabuki Kentaro, I think, still makes some fucking godly character designs. I mean, you know, the reason why Tolliveru is so fucking infamous is because, like, the character designs fucking cute. Like, he knows how to draw really just aesthetic-looking characters. And, like, you know, Black Cat, I feel was definitely
Starting point is 01:28:04 when he was still kind of in his, like, younger times where, like, he hadn't quite refined his art. But near the end of Black Cat, his art just got better and better and better. and better and like, I don't know. It's just like a, it's nothing like deep or anything or like profounding in any way. It's just a really solid shonen manga.
Starting point is 01:28:20 Right, okay. With like really just intricate, nice art stuff. Is it hold up today? You know what? I haven't read it in quite a while. I did. Would you recommend it to someone to read now? It's hard. It's really hard. Because like, I don't know, because I'm obviously looking at the show
Starting point is 01:28:35 because this show is very closely important to me. It's very nostalgic, it's very nostalgic, obviously looking at this with like roast in a glass Yeah, yeah, yeah. So like, I don't know, maybe if you're a fan of like Yawakintara stuff, like if you liked, you know, what you saw in Tohawberra
Starting point is 01:28:47 and one, like that with action. Does it, is the story, does it kind of wrap up? Does that have a good conclusion? Yeah, it does actually. It has a really nice conclusion. And like the final fight with like the male Yandahy antagonist, who is a really fucking interesting character and the powers and everything, like, super cool.
Starting point is 01:29:03 Yeah, I don't know, it's, again, it's just like a really solid shunnen jump manga that's like very inoffensive, I feel. I think this was the start of the period, where I started to realize anime, anime sometimes just don't have endings. And I was like, well, because I started off with Death Note,
Starting point is 01:29:19 Kogios, full metal alchemist. I'm like, sick, these are great. You spoiled yourself. You literally spoiled all of anime for yourself. No, no, I did not. I had a great time. And then I started getting shows. Because what I mean is that
Starting point is 01:29:31 no other anime that just is a normal anime, it's just gonna live up to those standards, right? Yeah, exactly. Yeah, so then I started watching shows. And I'm like, wait, why didn't this end? Where's the ending? And this is what? This is how you know everyone else said
Starting point is 01:29:43 the same desperation as me because whenever you type in the show, the first auto-feel is, when is season three coming out of this show? And it's like, there are no plans for season three of this show. Literally when you type in no game, no life. You know what I mean?
Starting point is 01:29:56 That's the-like spice of it. Because everyone's like, wait, why would that not be a season two? This was a popular show, right? What? What? There's season two coming, right? Right? Right.
Starting point is 01:30:06 Never happened. And then this is when I started to realize, I'm like, oh, they're just not gonna to finish shows. They're just gonna like release shows? They're just gonna be like, we released it, we're not gonna finish it, fuck you, you go read the manga.
Starting point is 01:30:17 This is why sometimes I wish anime was produced by Americans, because you know that it would fucking end. It might not be good, but you know it's coming out. I mean, that's why I feel like manga takes more of the same form as like American TV shows, because some market just go on for fucking ever. And like, you're just like, you know, I don't know if I'm even invested to see this end anymore, right? Yeah, but then anime will make like a billion dollars
Starting point is 01:30:36 and they're like, no, I don't think we need another sex. No, there's no more seasons. No, because like, sometimes, sometimes an anime, makes like a billion dollars, but then it's like one hundredth of the entire story. And you're just like, how are they ever gonna adapt the entire story? It's gonna take like fucking 10 decades to do this, you know?
Starting point is 01:30:52 And so, you know, there are some stories where I'm just like, I know I'm never gonna see the end of the anime and even like manga form. Like I'm still waiting like fucking Ipo. Like, oh, how long is Ipo gonna go on for? Right? Or Baraki, right? Like, and you should go on Favre.
Starting point is 01:31:07 Yeah, Bucky should go on for it. But speaking of Baki, obviously, Because Baki's the fucking Ida-Wike since his daughter, B-stars, fucking amazing manga. So that's like the newest one that's on here, right? That's probably the newest one. Like, after I finished reading B-Stars, I was like, oh, that is so close to a modern masterpiece. How come, uh, in terms of manga?
Starting point is 01:31:25 How come Baki isn't on here? Bucky, I don't know. Like, for me, Bucky is one of those shows where it's like, it's good, don't get me wrong, it's fucking amazing and it's so unique. Yeah. But I feel that it's like, there are some parts where it's just like, it's just a blur when you read it, you know what I mean?
Starting point is 01:31:44 Or it's like, it's so long and there's so much shit that happens in it that is just so insane and ridiculous that you think of one fight scene and it blends in with about 10 other fights. That's just true, it's true. Right. Like part two, for example, right, with the whole tournament art.
Starting point is 01:31:58 Yeah. I'm just like, I can only remember maybe like one or two fights. I re-read it the other day. There's like 20 fights in the manga. Yeah, in the anime, then he showed like four. Yeah, right? But that's probably because most of them are kind of underwhelming.
Starting point is 01:32:08 Yeah, true, true. A lot of the fight, even in the anime, there was any, And you should like six and I was like, three of these are born. Like with Bakke, you remember the most like notable, like meme worthy, ridiculous type of scenes, right? Whereas with B stars, for example, it was like,
Starting point is 01:32:20 just as like one cohesive story, it was just, A, really fucking unique. Yeah. Really done well. And it's just, yeah. Has it concluded? Yep, it ends. When did it finish? Could have been too long ago.
Starting point is 01:32:32 About a year ago, I think? So how many seasons of the anime do you think there should be if we were to adapt everything? To adapt everything? Yeah. So, we're at season. two right now, which is, oh, I probably shouldn't say, where we're up to in season two,
Starting point is 01:32:46 but that's probably about volume seven or eight. And how many volumes are there? Over 20. Well, to be fair, it wasn't season three announced already. I think so. Yeah, I'm sure, I'm sure Netflix wants to keep that, that coming. And I'm very happy with that. Please do. And it gets more and more interesting after that. Because I'm hoping we finally get a fucking anime that finishes an anime form.
Starting point is 01:33:08 We never fucking get it anymore. I mean, we're getting like the latest one I can of that we're getting is attack on Titan. And that's only like one of the most successful anime before time. So it takes the whole fucking world watching it for them to be like, maybe we could just finish this one. It's like it's like at the studios are like, start new anime.
Starting point is 01:33:24 Yeah. Finish old one and they're like, oh, I like this. They're like, no, stop, finish this one. Finish this. It's just like if an anime gets over three seasons, like, because even if we get a season two, that's just like getting the table scraps, right? You're like, oh my God, I can't believe I've got a season two.
Starting point is 01:33:40 Two. Oh, oh. OVA? May I have some more? May I have some more? Then for some reason, there's like fucking four seasons of Mahoka or something. I'd like, well, what's going on?
Starting point is 01:33:50 There's a fucking spin-off of Mahoka. I'm like, nobody asks this. It'll be like fucking ten seasons of Saki, like playing mash off. And I'm like, oh, fuck off. Is this doing well? You cannot tell me this deserves a second season and no game, no life doesn't?
Starting point is 01:34:03 Yeah, right. Yeah. But, uh, yeah, so B-Stars, so you think it's like up there as a modern classic now. Because I feel like- The ending wasn't exactly like amazing, amazing. Like, it was just a solid ending.
Starting point is 01:34:15 If we get the full anime adaptation of the manga in the way that it's going right now, would it would be considered a masterpiece? Man, I personally would see it as like an easy, like nine out of ten at least. I mean, I can see that. If the anime keeps up the quality of a story, because I love season one, but it felt like,
Starting point is 01:34:34 season one just felt like a kind of a setup season. It's like the ending of Beast Stars is very much like, the ending of part six where it's like, the people who love it, love it, but the people who didn't like it were like, eh, you know. Yeah, I mean, it's like, a lot of people say that it's like kind of an anticlimactic ending,
Starting point is 01:34:50 but I thought it was kind of fitting to how the entire story went, because like, the final part of B stars there's like this big fight that happens, obviously. Yeah, of course, right? But, and then from that big fight, it kind of suddenly winds down into just like regular stuff.
Starting point is 01:35:04 Okay. And like, to a lot of people, that was seen as anti-climactic. So, like that though. I like a little of breathing time to say goodbye. Yeah, right. You know what I mean?
Starting point is 01:35:11 I like to, all right, guys, just gotta read a few more chapters with you guys before you guys fuck off forever. Yeah, because like, what, what gets me sometimes is I know like, there's always the hype around the last chapter, right? Because the last chapter, you're saying goodbye to everything and, you know, this is, this is where, this is,
Starting point is 01:35:27 and people like try to put a conclusion in the last chapter. Whereas some of like my favorite manga is when that last chapter is just the climax is over, it's done, it's purely just an epilogue. And I feel like epilogs are so fucking underrated in so many anime and manga, because most of the time it's just like, you get to the final episode, right?
Starting point is 01:35:45 And half of this episode is the climax. So you got like 10 minutes to say goodbye to all these characters. Give me a full episode. Give me a full episode. I hate the epilogs that are like, there's like seven minutes left of the episode. It's like, I think gonna stick the landing.
Starting point is 01:36:01 And then you know that it's a rushed epilogue where they start talking and the ending song plays. Yeah, no, no, no. And it's not even, it's not even an epilogue. It's just like a slide show Of just like, here are the characters now. Oh, here they go. There they go, here they go.
Starting point is 01:36:17 And then we have Itchigo 100%, which again, for me is like another, I wouldn't even, it's weird. What's this about? I've heard of explain this. Okay, so Ichigo 100% is just this really, just super simple rom-com. Okay, essentially.
Starting point is 01:36:33 Like, you know how Shonen jump every time, right? They replace Haram wrongcoms, right? Like once one Haram wrongcoms, right? Like, once one Haram wrongcoms, connons, another one takes its place kind of thing. Ischio 100% was probably, yeah, pretty much. Ichigo 100% was the one that, well, first of all, it was like right at its prime when I started
Starting point is 01:36:51 reading Shonen Jump. So again, big nostalgia fact, I'm gonna completely admit that. But second of all, to me, it is like the one manga series where there was no one clear winner, right up until the end. It was like, all the girls are so liked through and through. Like, people think quintessential quintuplets is like the ultimate like any one of these girls could win type of thing. It's like, no, no, it's not.
Starting point is 01:37:14 Eachgo 100% is because you start off with liking one girl as you do with any Haram wrong com right. Of course, but by, but each of you 100%, I don't know how the fuck Kawhisomizuki did it, but she did it in a way where by the end of it, any one of them could win, but you don't know who, like right up until the end. And it's just so simple but so well done.
Starting point is 01:37:33 And again, like I really like Kauasomiski's our style because again, very different. It almost doesn't even look super 90s. Oh yeah, I mean, because it is very nice. And they all look like the Chobits robots. Oh yeah, they do. Oh yeah. It looks like the exact same character.
Starting point is 01:37:47 It looks like the exact same character is on as well. Yeah, they look like they're like all robots. And it's weird, right? We are programmed to fall in love with you. Bebo, beep, beep, beep, beep. And it's weird, right, because it's like, to me, it's not even the best rom-com manga. Oh, okay.
Starting point is 01:37:59 So is this a harrim rom-com. Haram rom-com. Well, Joe, we all know that Joey loves a good rome rom-com. I like a good haram rom-com. I love a good harrim rom-com. I love a good harrim rom-com. In my opinion, the best rom-com manga ever written is eyes, which is also from Shonenjong, which came before this one.
Starting point is 01:38:14 So like this one basically replaced eyes. I've heard of, I got an anime adaptation, didn't that? In like early 2000s and it was like a very shit adaptation. It wasn't a very good adaptation. It was forgettable, that's all I know. But yeah, it's done by the same guy who made Zetman. Oh, okay, okay. Like all of those. He's done a lot of manga.
Starting point is 01:38:34 But yeah, I don't know. Again, this was one of those shows that I think, This show is the reason why I love Haram Roncom. Okay, so do you read, did you watch the anime adaptation of this at all? Was it anime? Yeah, there is. There is an anime adaptation, it's not good. Oh.
Starting point is 01:38:47 Basically every, every, like, there's an anime, just don't read it. Just don't read. Just don't watch it. Basically, most of the shows on here have like very mediocre anime adaptations. The only, aside from B-star. As far as you can be whatever I want it. But that's just me.
Starting point is 01:39:01 B-stars, yeah, probably you. Yeah, and Jojo. Okay, Joe, well, part six hasn't got adapted. Yeah. Hopefully it's common. Hopefully it's good. It's coming. Oh, Lord, she's coming.
Starting point is 01:39:10 Oh, low, are he coming. Oh, you know it's gonna be. Oh, you know it's gonna be. Oh, you know it's gonna be good. But yeah. And then we have Uzimaki. Of course. Junjito.
Starting point is 01:39:18 Honestly, anything from Junjiito could have been in here. Again, he's probably the reason why I love horror. I mean, I do think Usamaki is like, kind of like, in terms of like a long form, I think it is his magnum opus. I think so. Some of my favorite works of Junji Yito isn't Usamaki, but just his one shots, actually.
Starting point is 01:39:34 Yeah. I feel like Usermaki is his like only long form work that I think is like the best. Yeah, and again, like that's why I feel like I could have put anything in there. Like, I also fucking love Tomier, which was his first one that he made, which is also brilliantly horrifying. Like, if you love like your kind of body dysmorphia, macab horror type of thing. I do really want to read Junji Tito at some point.
Starting point is 01:39:55 Yeah. It's part of the more, it's a trip. It's on the infinite list of, I need to get around to that. Well, it's just like, with Jinji Ito, you don't even need to like be that invested in it because I, like, I think the best entry point for Junji Yito is just to read some of his one shots. Yeah. Because like,
Starting point is 01:40:08 I feel like, like one, there's only like a few genres that really work well with one shorts and horror is some of them because all he has to do is like he hits you with
Starting point is 01:40:15 this like really weird fucking idea and then he just ends. It's, yeah, it's like he definitely like has taken a lot of inspiration from like classic Asian horror in the sense that
Starting point is 01:40:25 the stories don't necessarily make sense. But at the end of it, you're somehow still invested and still terrified. Yeah. It's purely, he purely just assaults you. Yeah.
Starting point is 01:40:36 with all of these senses of just super disturbing shit. And then kind of just like, that's the end. How do you feel? How do you feel? Why are you here? I'm sorry. Yeah, so obviously, I think it's no secret that I love. And then I guess we're just talking about the sender one.
Starting point is 01:41:00 There's a reason why I put it in the sender, because I still think to this day, it's one of the greatest manga series ever made. It's the one manga series that I know, like I'm building myself up to be ready for. It's like I haven't watched the last season of Bojack Horseman. It's not because I don't want to.
Starting point is 01:41:12 Yeah. I just, I'm just kind of not in the mindset where I want to be depressed. I mean, you know, with your three by three, right, you were talking about like the one that you enjoyed the most and the one you think is the best is different. Yeah. Yeah.
Starting point is 01:41:24 I did not enjoy reading as to be put in one of all. Yeah, like you don't enjoy it, but you just can't stop. Yeah, but it's one of those, I know this even though I've never read it. It's one of those series or stories, why I understand that it just, it hits you and it sticks with you. And it's like, you read it once and it's just a part of you. I just got like shit to do, you know? Like I'm gonna be sad for like a while, right?
Starting point is 01:41:45 I gotta deal with that. I've beenched this manga for the first time. And I finished reading it like 4 a.m. Yeah. And I just kind of, the moment I finished it, I just kind of closed it and just sat on my couch. I know exactly. Let's say me after every BoJack episode.
Starting point is 01:42:00 And then they're like, then they're automatically playing the next one like, no, no, no. Give me some time to recover. Give me an inch kick. That was so depressing. But I think the one thing that I really like about Oiasmi Pumpun is the fact that it almost like, it almost goes beyond manga.
Starting point is 01:42:15 Like what Inyo Sano did in OisMu Poonpun is so, like, we were talking about metaphors before, right? With, you know, Ischil 21, stuff like that. The metaphors in Oiasmi Poonpun is insane. Because literally, like, what kind of mangaka has the balls to turn their main character into a metaphor? I think it's genius.
Starting point is 01:42:34 I think it's absolutely genius. So, to explain Oiasmiq to be Poonpun for those you don't know. This is the main character, his name is Poonpun. He's a bird character, but, and every other character in the manga is a human. Yeah. But all the human characters see Poon Poon as a human.
Starting point is 01:42:50 It's, okay, so it's like how he sees himself is different from everyone else. It's how he sees himself, but it's also how you, as the reader, see him as well. So like throughout the manga, as he's got, so basically it's this manga where it follows this life of Poonpun Poon growing up. So he starts off as a kid,
Starting point is 01:43:06 and he turns into a teenager. Oh, I don't like the sound of this. I don't like shows that they follow them growing up. I know it's gonna be fucked. And it kind of very slowly yet steadily, it goes through every inch of his life. Oh, I don't like those. There's a lot of things that happen to him
Starting point is 01:43:21 and around him that are very fucked. Yeah, that's how, oh, yeah. So like, you know, it starts off with him as a kid. He meets this girl, you know, learns what falling in love is, right? Learns the joys and the heartbreak of puberty. And then it goes. And then that drags on with him.
Starting point is 01:43:38 And then he has family problems. He has problems with his friends. He has problems with... Basically, just a broken life, you know. It's a broken life. And what's so brilliant about Oyesimipunpun is that as, obviously, you know, like when he like gets older, he gets bigger, tall, but still the bird.
Starting point is 01:43:56 But then there are certain points in the manga where his look completely changes. So there's one part in the manga where he just turns into a floating pyramid. for about two chapters. Oh, okay. And it's not really explained why it happens. But as you're reading it in context,
Starting point is 01:44:15 it represents something in him. And it's very, and it's very literal in that sense. How long is it? How many chapters? It's seven volumes. I own all of them. Yeah, I've owned all of them for years. It's been sitting.
Starting point is 01:44:28 It's 12 volumes, I think. Okay, well, I- 120,000. Like, shit, okay, so I own seven of the five. Well, no, I believe at least the translated volume. Yeah, the Western volumes are a lot thicker. Yeah, they're a lot thicker. So I have, I own like...
Starting point is 01:44:38 13 volumes in Japan. But it's like 120 something chapters? Oh, so you could probably read it in one day? You could easily read it in one day. I mean, I read it in one day. Like, it's been sitting on my shelf, I think, for years. It's just been staring me and I'm like, it's today the day, it's today of the day,
Starting point is 01:44:54 today I read it. No. Just the thought about reading it. I'm happy today. I hear like guts theme in my head. Yeah. Basically. Yeah, I said, my very first experience with hearing about
Starting point is 01:45:04 we asked me Poonpun-pun was, was actually like when I first started dating Sydney. And so I, this was when I, back when I didn't know Sydney too well and she gets really, really invested in stories, right? And stories, she's one of, you know, one of those people that, you know, gets, truly, gets invested and involved into a piece of fiction. So I'm just here sitting in, sitting in my room,
Starting point is 01:45:26 sitting in my office, doing like YouTube videos or whatever. And then I hear Sydney just like, bawling. I mean, this is like, this is like, I'd never seen her, cry harder than this. Yeah. Like she was like, like beyond ugly crying, you know. It was like, I came in and like my,
Starting point is 01:45:43 what's wrong? My God just saying because like, I've only, like, this is the kind of reaction you see when someone's family members just died, you know? And I'm just like, I take a few deep breaths. I'm like, okay, I know, I know we're gonna have to deal with something serious, something's really fucked up. And I'm just like, honey, are you okay?
Starting point is 01:46:02 What happened? As she just went, I just finished. The Manga! And I know dead ass just went, what? What? And she's like, he's,
Starting point is 01:46:14 he's, it's going to Yasami, Bun, and I'm just like, I am going back in my office now. I, hit some clinics. But yeah, like, I, like, I, I mean, like, I didn't, like,
Starting point is 01:46:28 ugly solve at the end of Poon Poon, but I, there were definitely moments throughout Poon Poon that, I kind of just opened my eyes wide and I was like, holy shit. Like there were many times where I actually said to myself out loud, I was like, no, no. You're not like this.
Starting point is 01:46:43 Not like this, come like this. And it's like, and again, it's like, it's the way that he can somehow fit this fucking bird character into a super realistic context of like very realistic setting with very realistic characters. Yeah. And give this bird, this, the most human life possible, is so insane to me.
Starting point is 01:47:03 And the fact that he can just do it seamlessly. Like, you know, obviously at first, if you're going into this blind, first couple of pages, you're like, what the fuck is this? What the fuck is this bird? Yeah, true. But you kind of like learn to grow with it.
Starting point is 01:47:16 And again, like, you know, it's one of those things where like a lot of people say like, oh, he turned it into a bird so that you yourself can put yourself into Poonpun situation. Yeah, yeah. So that you're not fixated on one particular type of person, you know, concerning looks and stuff like that. Like you can just imagine this is any human.
Starting point is 01:47:34 And it's just, yeah, And again, it's like, Inio Asano literally just took all these like rudimentary concepts about manga and just went, throw out the window and just went, I'm just gonna draw what I think is cool. And it's like, there's lots of like weird shit in it as well, but like, I mean, I've been trying to write a video about this manga for so long. But literally every time I reread it, first of all, I get destroyed for about a week. So I try not to do it. But second of all, there's just so many subtle things in it that I keep picking up on that I didn't before. that just completely makes me change the way I view this manga.
Starting point is 01:48:07 And it's just, yeah, it's insane. So like, again, probably the manga I enjoyed the least. Yeah, yeah. But definitely one of the best in my mind. That's what I assumed it was going to be, which is just like, I'm not reading this manga to enjoy it. I'm reading this manga because I know it's probably going to be one of the most,
Starting point is 01:48:25 like, powerful pieces of media I've ever consumed. And that's like my assumption going into it. And the final chapter made me cry, like, fucking crazy. I was like, fuck, man. It was brutal. But yeah, I don't know what else I can talk about. I realized that, you know, even though I've read a lot of manga,
Starting point is 01:48:43 you know what, at the end of the day, Shoney Jump's just kind of the king, to be honest. I mean, it's kind of the king for, it's how it's always been. You can't hate it. Yeah, yeah. I mean, Shon and Jump just has a formula, and I don't know what that formula is, but they just keep-
Starting point is 01:48:58 It works. They just keep pumping out bangers, not just bangers, like everything they pump out, just see me. to be like a global sensation. And even if it's not, it's going to have some kind of cult following behind it. It's just kind of the ones that I remember the most for some reason.
Starting point is 01:49:12 Like like fucking now, like I remember when the big three ended or like, you know, Naroto, one, not the big three, but the ear of the big three were Naroto bleach and One Piece, one piece is obviously still going on. But everyone was just like, what's gonna replace it? How can anything replace Naruto and Bleach? That was, well, like, global sensations. Then my hero came out and was just like, hold my beer.
Starting point is 01:49:32 And then Demon Slayer came out, and it was just like, hold my sword. And then like, fucking now Jujitsa Kaysen and now like chainsaw man's coming out which is going to be a massive fucking hair. Like, where do they miss? When, like, are they fucking aim-botting? Like, what's their secret?
Starting point is 01:49:49 Like, what the fuck is going on? You don't miss! No, legit. And it's like, you know, again, it's like, you know, you kind of get in that period of your manga reading life where you're just like, you know what? Maybe it's time to graduate from the show and it. You know, it's like, it's kind of formulaic,
Starting point is 01:50:05 I wanna try something new so you go out, read some of the more obscure Sainanen manga, or like the Shōjo or the, you know, the Josaa manga, or you know, some like weird gore or edgy type of shit. And it's like, there's lots of good ones, don't get me wrong, but at the end of the day, you're always gonna go back to Sean and Jum. Yeah. I don't know what it is.
Starting point is 01:50:23 I remember I said that opinion on Twitter and I got a lot of shit for it. And I'm like, look, I agree. I agree. I'm just spitting the facts, man. There's a reason why, They hated him because he told the truth. Exactly.
Starting point is 01:50:36 So, yeah, I don't know. Is it Normie? I don't know, is Berserk Normie? I feel like Berserk is legendary. I just, seeing the fact that more than half of these are shun and John. I will say this now, I've got Berserk on my 3 by 3 as well. And I was just like, can I justify not putting
Starting point is 01:50:54 berserk on my 3 by 3? And I just went through these like, this like mental gymnastic of just like, is there any manga that I could like, feasily put over berserk? No. Like there's the, it's the goat for a reason, right? It's one of a kind.
Starting point is 01:51:08 You could talk about it at the end, maybe. Yeah, yeah. But I honestly, like, no, no trash taste there. You have a very solid list. Thank you. See there's some that I haven't seen. Seems well-rounded down. Yeah, it seems well-rown.
Starting point is 01:51:22 Again, if I had to recommend to anyone who's never read any of these, obviously berserk, please go read that. Yeah. B-star is fucking fantastic. And if you can handle it, please read OSMipo. Yeah. It will change your life. I do want to read most of these.
Starting point is 01:51:35 Yeah. I mean, slam dunk as well, it's one of the greatest. Yeah, I want to read slam dunk too. Fucking amazing. Yeah. How many chat? Because like, fuck it, dude, I shield 21 took me a long time. It's got a lot of chapters.
Starting point is 01:51:45 Slenduck, it's got 30 volumes. It's gonna take you some time. I mean, I'd say there's a lot of these that. But the payoff is insane. If you like your sports manga, you kind of need to put. If you like sports manga, you ought to do. I do. This is the quintessential sports manga.
Starting point is 01:51:59 And that is Joey's taste. You can judge. I mean, we've had two. Very solid three by threes now. Let's say he's to keep on that momentum. I'm kind of worried about mine now. I'm like, oh shit. Ashley, put up Gantz three by three.
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Starting point is 01:53:56 Okay, okay. Okay, well, let's go through the office. It's a mix. Wow. So before, before we get into it, there are some that I feel like, I would put them there if there wasn't already like an amazing anime adaptation of it. Right.
Starting point is 01:54:08 I really want to put Vinland Saga on there for some, for example, but I'm just like, well, I've also really, really enjoyed the anime. So- Do you wanna go through them? Okay, so from, going down from, great teacher, Onizuka, Kingdom, The Breaker, 20th century boys, domestic girlfriend, love Heena, Berserk, Beck, and Siren.
Starting point is 01:54:32 Siren, really? Yeah. I was not expecting Siren. What is, is Breaker? Is that the Korean one? That's the Manwa. That's the Manwa. Yeah, yeah.
Starting point is 01:54:39 To me, like, Breaker, I'll start off a Breaker because that's the only one on there that is actually, not actually a manga, but a Manwa. I feel like Breaker is that one, it takes, it's basically everything I wanted from a Shonen that you could not get from Shonen Jump because it takes the,
Starting point is 01:54:57 kind of the Shonen Jump, like, battle manga formula and adds martial arts to it. And it's so rare to see something, to see a manga that just does martial arts well. And I've kind of realized if I'm looking for martial arts, because if you watch the film three by threes, you'd know that I'm a huge fucking fan
Starting point is 01:55:18 of kung fu movies and stuff like that. And it's just so hard to find that same vibe in manga. Marwa does martial arts. I mean, you know, God of High School as well. Yeah, yeah, so you got it was like God of High School. I just because they don't really care about Kung Fu in Japan. Yeah, exactly. In a sense, almost.
Starting point is 01:55:32 Yeah, almost. But like Veritas is like the perfect balance between martial arts and superpowers because people are like still very human in here and you know, you can still take someone out with a gun but they have enough power that they're kind of also superhuman as well, right? So it's kind of balanced in that way and like it's like it's got a like a very, you know, it's got a very standard story.
Starting point is 01:55:55 It's about this guy who has zero martial arts powers and zero key as, you know, that's, which is, is the power system here. And he meets, he just meets this guy who, you know, he's beating up some street thugs and turns out he's just like a fucking, you know, martial arts master or whatever.
Starting point is 01:56:12 Right, right. And so to help teach this guy, or to help this guy basically, like, protect himself and not be bullied and all that. He gives him, like, this medicine, which, you know, is, technically he gave it to him by accident. And it ends up, this guy is just like,
Starting point is 01:56:28 obviously, a secret genius in martial arts and kind of, kind of like takes on the entire martial as well. Performance enhancing drugs. Of course. Always say yes. Of course. Limitless.
Starting point is 01:56:37 Well if we could use 100% of operate. But like it's like it's like it's like, it's like, it's like, it's a very very standard formula. But one, okay, like the art is fucking fantastic. The cover looks amazing. Yeah. It's so it's like so much more detailed than you see in a lot of just standard shonen jump manga. Right? And what blows my mind is that this.
Starting point is 01:57:01 was like a weekly release, but the art quality is that of like a monthly release manga. You know what I mean? Like One Punch Man, for example, is a monthly release, right? So you can see why, you know, it took the time to be, to make it a monthly manga. This was released weekly and it's not as good as One Punch Man in terms of art quality, but it's like way better than pretty much most standard Shonen Jump weekly manga. And it's like the action choreography and the action art is fucking insane. And it's just, it's just like pure fun. It's just pure, if you know what you're getting, this guy is like a weak link, okay, but the amount of times that he fucking, he fucking does something badass unexpectedly is just like, it's just insane and
Starting point is 01:57:42 it keeps like, the stakes keep rising and rising. And what I love as well is they've really build up, I really love the board building of just like the secret organization that's of like martial artists who like kind of rule the world, you know, it's like in real life. Yeah, yeah, kind of like in real life kind of thing. It's got like, it's got like the same kind of like vibe as John, the John Wick world, if you know what I mean. I'm down for that. I love John Wick. Obviously, obviously the main protagonist isn't John Wick. He's, it's someone who grows into someone
Starting point is 01:58:08 who's going to be that skilled in that world. Right, right. But it's kind of got that same vibe in world building. And it's just, I fucking love it. And not enough people talk about the breaker. I've definitely heard of the title because it's just one of those shows you hear when someone says, oh, you know, fucking amazing manua, right? Like, what was the other one?
Starting point is 01:58:26 Solo leveling, right? It's the other one that, like, I hear a lot of and that I really need to read. I mean, solo leveling, I feel, it's, it's good, but it's, I don't know why solo loving works so well. It's basically just an Esakiya in disguise, but for some reason, it feels, I think it's mostly carried by the arts,
Starting point is 01:58:45 to be honest, the arts just fucking amazing. Dude, Marwanwa art is like next level. I don't know how they do it so consistently. Literally every Manwa I've read has just been like, oh my God, I love it a lot. Yeah, I really don't know how they do it so fucking consistently. Yeah, it's insane.
Starting point is 01:58:58 Excellent. And then, yeah, what else we want to talk about. Kingdom? I haven't read Kingdom. I've been considering it. I've read the first five volumes of Kingdom, because I read it. It's long, right?
Starting point is 01:59:08 It's like, it's like, okay, okay. It's still going. It's still going, so. Okay, okay, okay, okay. I remember because I remember when I was like, trying to get new manga to read, I was just like, fucking hell, this has 500 chapters. I'm just like, for fuck's sake, right?
Starting point is 01:59:24 And then I read the first 100 chapters in like two days, and I'm like, thank fucking God, this has, 500 chapters. It was like one of those manga when I'm just like, I'm so glad that there is just like an infinite number of chapters. It's not that that I dread, it's that I dread that I literally can't do anything else.
Starting point is 01:59:41 Like I can't watch anything, I can't read anything else. I love that. I'm like, that's the feeling I'm constantly looking for because I love the feeling of just being so absorbed into this manga or anime or something that I literally can't get on with my life unless I'm finishing this thing. Because like that to me is like pure enjoyment, right? And Kingdom gave me that for like a good like month.
Starting point is 02:00:03 I only had time. Yeah, yeah, yeah. I lost a month of my life, I think, and it was like the best month ever. I only read like the first five volumes of it because I was like at a manga cafe, just like chilling, waiting for a friend or whatever. And I had to leave and I was like, no, I'm not leaving.
Starting point is 02:00:17 Yeah, I need to continue reading. This is fucking insane. Yeah, so like to give the, to give a brief like sell of kingdom. Yeah, selling the kingdom. So it's like when China was like, fragmented into different kingdoms. You see what they did there. The three kingdoms, right?
Starting point is 02:00:35 Yeah. Um, no, it was, uh, I think this one has seven kingdoms, right? And so it's the story of, it's just, it's just an epic, basically. It's, it's the very definition of an epic where it's just the story of, uh, so one, one, like, there's, there's one farm boy, Shin, who's the main character. And by complete chance, he meets, um, he meets, um, he meets one of the few, of the kingdom that he's living in, right? And throughout the entire history of China,
Starting point is 02:01:05 no one's been able to unite all of the kingdoms. No one's been able to take over everything and just unite everyone. And so it's very simple. It's just the basic story of the king, growing up to be a king and uniting everyone. And it's the farmer, the farm boy, who grows up literally as a peasant.
Starting point is 02:01:24 And it's his story of becoming the greatest general of China. It's basically if you took the Golden Age Arc of Berserk and just made it an epic. Yeah. That sounds good. Which is awesome because Golden Age Arc was fucking awesome. I love the Golden Age Arc, but the biggest, to me, the biggest selling point of Kingdom is the battles.
Starting point is 02:01:47 This man's dying over here. He can't contain his love for Kingdom. He's choking up thinking about it. Yeah, I just want to talk about Kingdom, okay? So I have never seen any other piece of media depict warfare in as much detail as I have kingdom, right? Because there's only like, it's been 500 chapters and one single battle can easily take up like 50 to 100 chapters.
Starting point is 02:02:13 How many? Yeah. It's like Lord of the Rings. Yeah, I mean it's battle for Helms Deep here? Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. Literally like imagine. But every battle. Imagine if that was just every battle, right?
Starting point is 02:02:24 But it's actually fucking insane. Go for it. Are we close to finishing the story? No, we're about halfway. Oh, fuck. That puts me off because I don't want to get into something where I'm gonna be like 50 years old and I'm like, hey son, my favorite manga is finishing.
Starting point is 02:02:39 Kingdom. Literally every one piece fan. But it's one of those manga where it's such a simple kind of, it's simple and it's not right because obviously there's a lot of like politics involved. there's a lot of like intricacies into how they basically try to take over their kingdom because there's, I really can't condense down into like whatever I'm gonna say now.
Starting point is 02:03:03 Yeah, it is an epic for reason. Oh, it's epic, all right. But like it's, because it's broken up into like different arc, so you can just read one arc and you just, you can just like, it's, it's kind of, you can take a breather. Like I literally binge one arc, then binge another arc, and then binge another arc, because I'm just like, I just want to see what happens at the end of this battle.
Starting point is 02:03:19 And it's, it depicts, like I said, it depicts warfare in the best, better way than I've ever seen in any other market. Because like, you know, you know how they like try to write smart characters in a lot of fiction? Whereas you, to write a smart character, you have to make the other character dumb, right? So there's been so many like,
Starting point is 02:03:37 there's been so many like warfare kind of scenes where it's just like, they introduce this like really smart general or something. And it's because he sees a strategy that the other general doesn't see and it's like to the reader, it's the most obvious fucking strategy of all time. We're gonna go around the back. Yeah.
Starting point is 02:03:53 Holy shit. They'll never know if we flank them to the right. Yeah, exactly. And with Kingdom, the reason it takes, like, about, like, 50 to 100 chapters per battle is because it's so... They're playing 5D chess. They are, like, it's so incredible to see so many styles of generals battling against each other, because it's,
Starting point is 02:04:11 it is literally like watching two GMs play against each other. And, no, it, I'm, I'm absolutely serious because, like, you're turning the page and you're, like, both sides are making moves. Both sides are, like, taking pieces, they're taking rooks, they're taking bishop, It is kind of like watching a chess game except it's because it's a battle
Starting point is 02:04:27 It's not just all about strategy Sometimes you have people who fucking flip the board And then there's nothing you can do about that Just because they're too powerful And then there's some people who knows that this guy Is someone who is going to flip the board And he takes that into account And so the winner of the battle
Starting point is 02:04:43 Isn't the person Isn't the person who's like Necessarily dumber It's just the person who maybe thinks that extra half step ahead And you really don't know Until you turn like the final few pages of an arc, how it's gonna turn out. The author must have like fucking binge read
Starting point is 02:04:59 the art of war like 10 times over. Honestly, that's it. I've only heard like the most insane battles. I'd love it to be like, you're like, and there's reviews. Yeah. Sun Tzu, five stars. Yeah.
Starting point is 02:05:10 Like, without sporting, like, some of the best moments of this manga, like, I think with this, this, this manga has an arc which is one of my favorite arcs of like all of manga. And that's because it's like, it's an arc without spoiling the exact plot points. It's an arc where you have like fucking five, six generals. All of them have like, are making,
Starting point is 02:05:32 playing five D chess with each other, making moves against each other. And you're just like, holy fuck, I can't even keep up with the amount of strategies going on and the different pieces like that that are being pushed around. It's absolutely fucking insane. It's so big brain that I really cannot explain.
Starting point is 02:05:50 I'm sold. Ever since I read those five volumes of Kingdom, I've been this close to just saying fuck it and just buying the rest of the volumes. Is it published weekly? Mm-hmm? Okay, that's good, that's good. It's published, but there's no way they're gonna get to five hundred chapters.
Starting point is 02:06:02 I've just given up a hope on manga where they're like, okay, now we're publishing month, I'm like, all right, and I'm never gonna read it. Because it's never gonna finish. Yeah, if you wanna see, like, the brain expands me more, more of just, like, of just, like, reading something that is just, like, super smart without making, making it, like, seem pretentions or something. Yeah. I saw this, I think someone I asked, I don't know who was,
Starting point is 02:06:22 I'm on, George Rommon. It was like, if you're not smart, how do you write smart characters? If you're not smart yourself, how do you write a smart character? Like, legit. I'm just there. I still, I remember they answered something,
Starting point is 02:06:32 but even me, I was thinking about it. I don't know how you would. How would you, because you would know what smart is? Because you're not smart. Yeah. It's like, is this smart? Is this what smart people are like? Yeah.
Starting point is 02:06:43 It's like, how do you write a smart character who's like 300 IQ? When you're not 300 IQ? Yeah. Very good question. What I would, What I would guess is that they are, the author of this must have just studied
Starting point is 02:06:58 so many like history, historic battles because some of like the taxes and strategies that can they come up with this, it's just like, it's 300 IQ versus 302 IQ. And it's just like that extra two IQ that gives them the edge in battle. It's the porn that matters. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, exactly.
Starting point is 02:07:14 It's, it's such a good read. I'm sold, I'm sold. Yeah, it's fine. And another one to the fucking list. If you want something that is just an incredible, epic, Reed Kingdom. Okay.
Starting point is 02:07:24 Great teacher Onizuka. Classic. Is a classic. I've heard all about this. I've watched it. It's weird. I've never read the manga for this. I've only watched the anime.
Starting point is 02:07:33 I've heard the anime's amazing, though. Yeah. The anime is amazing, but I've heard the manga is even better. The, I think the anime is, I mean, it's, it's good because the manga is fucking amazing. Right? That's the only reason, the anime is it. The recipe is so goddamn good, you can't mess up.
Starting point is 02:07:49 Because like, okay, have you seen the anime? I've seen the anime. When do you think it came out? What, the anime? Yeah. It was like late 80s, right? It came out in the year 2000. I'm not joking.
Starting point is 02:08:03 Are you serious? I am serious. That's like a trap question. I felt the trap. It feels like late 80s. It feels like late 80s, like early 90s. It feels like late 80s, early 90s anime adaptation. It came out in the 2000s.
Starting point is 02:08:18 It came out after Cowboy, I'm so, but because, because the anime adaptation. I was expecting I have an existential crisis of a GTO today. So I mean, I think I've talked about GTO briefly before, but to give a brief synops of GTO, it's about, it's about this teacher who is a delinquent. Oh, he's great.
Starting point is 02:08:41 Oh, he's great. No, no, no, no, no. He's not a great teacher yet, because he's just, he's, he's, he's, so his name is Onizuka and he's the delinquent who finds himself in a teaching job, right? And let me guess, let me guess. He's just, he's, he's not a good teacher in the start,
Starting point is 02:08:57 but he learns to love the kids and he wants to help the kids, so he becomes a good teacher along the way. No, actually, he wants to be the greatest teacher in all of Japan, hence the name. Great teacher, Onizuka. But what he, he's given, like, a very problematic class, right? And, yeah, he's not, like, the greatest teacher academically,
Starting point is 02:09:16 and that's part of, like, That's like part of the point of this manga is that he doesn't teach academic lessons. He teaches life lessons. And I know, I know, I know, I know, how do I reach these kids? He's not, he ain't book smart, he's street smart, but, but like, this is how you're way a bad kids,
Starting point is 02:09:33 making you sort it correctly. Yeah, but like if, but like it's, it's a manga that I think really affected me when I read this as like a teenager because, you know, it sounds, it is like a completely cheesy kind of, um, set up, right? Because, you know, it's just, oh, it's a teacher who reforms a problematic classroom and teaches them life lessons
Starting point is 02:09:53 and makes them appreciate life and stuff. And yeah, that's exactly it. It's probably the best feel-good manga I've ever read. Japan loves those kinds of manga. Like, there's another manga like that called Rookies. I don't know if you know that one. I don't. It's like if you took GTO, but you made them play baseball.
Starting point is 02:10:09 And but it's like, it's the exact same, like, feel-good vibe. You have the delinquent teacher who, like, teaches a bunch of delinquents delinquents to like join a baseball team and stuff like that. Exact same feel as GTO is like just as good. It's just really, it's also a comedy one. And I do like the comedy, but like what I really love is that, you know, it doesn't teach you so much cheesy life lessons, right?
Starting point is 02:10:32 It's so much just teaches you that you, especially growing up in Asian culture, it tries to teach you that, you know, grades and, like, the school system isn't what defines you as a person. And I feel like a lot of people might need to like hear some of the things that this manga especially in Japan, especially in Asian culture. And kind of the cherry on top is just how fucking goofy and at the same time, badass Oni Zuka is. I fucking, seeing the antics, seeing the antics they put him through is just like,
Starting point is 02:11:06 everything is such a treat. Like one of my favorite scenes in the manga, which never got adapted to the anime, was like he was trying to, he was trying to teach just like this, like leader of like this gang to like try try to attend school and take it fucking seriously and all that shit. And so, um, this guy, this student leads him to like this underground like fight ring or something. I can't remember the exact set up. But he's just like, look, if I arm wrestle a hundred of you and win, then you got to come to school. And it's just like, this is, this is so, this is so fucking stupid, right? Because it's just like, how are you going to
Starting point is 02:11:44 fucking arrest arm wrestle a hundred people? And then he beats one person, he beats two persons. He starts, he starts taking on three at a time. And like, three at a time. Yeah, he starts taking on three at a time. It's a shonen, okay. And it's just like, it's the way, the way that it just kind of builds up and like escalates is like hilarious and badass at the same time.
Starting point is 02:12:06 And it's, it's something where it's not 100% serious, but when it hits, it fucking hits. And some, like, it's a manga that can really, I wouldn't say, change a person, but if you're looking for something that affects you in the opposite way of Poonpun, where it's just like, wow. It uses comedy to teach you, not depression. Yeah, it still teaches you like very important life lessons,
Starting point is 02:12:28 but it, you feel wholesome at the day. You don't wanna cry. I feel that like genre of manga is so like beloved and known and quite, you know, more common, especially to a Japanese audience. I feel it's slept on in the West. Probably. Like there are so many like good, like feel good,
Starting point is 02:12:44 comedy-centered, like delinquent life. Lesson type of manga that is out there and they're all fucking great. Yeah, because I feel like to do this type of manga or to do this type of story, it's so hard to just not be cheesy. Yeah, you know? Like, and I feel like GTO is that one manga when I'm just like, like you see this done
Starting point is 02:13:00 in any other way and it would just be cheesy, but the way that they do it in this just, it doesn't. It almost doesn't take itself seriously. Yeah, yeah, exactly, exactly. Um, so yeah, G, Odi Zuka's like, I think one of my favorite characters in manga, uh, for that reason. What do you wanna go on next? Can we talk about siren?
Starting point is 02:13:20 Okay, why is siren? What is siren? What the fuck is that? Shonenjump. It's shonen, I'm surprised you've heard of siren. I fucking love siren. You love siren? Oh my fucking God!
Starting point is 02:13:30 That's why I was like, why is this here? Because it's one of those like, it's one of those- Underground Shonin-jump manga that like, it didn't have very long runtime, did it? It had like a good 100 chapters. Did it? It got canceled.
Starting point is 02:13:45 That's right, yeah. It did get cancer. I will tell you the plot. Okay, so there's gonna be like a slight spoiler, but I feel like it's within the first four chapters and I feel like it's, it's a big twist that I feel is what got me hooked into this manga, right? So, so it's, that's the main,
Starting point is 02:14:04 I can't actually remember the character names because it's been so long since I've read it, but it's this main character and he, I don't think there's anything too special about him at the beginning, he runs a service where he solves, he solves problems, right? That's got nothing to do with what happens, right? And so he sees this girl,
Starting point is 02:14:22 it looks like she, she looks like she's going through some issues or something, so he tries to help her. And in that process, he follows her and then he gets transported with her to just this new place. He doesn't know where he is, right? He gets Issaquide.
Starting point is 02:14:40 Yeah, he basically gets Issycheid, right? Goes to another world. Yeah, yeah, kind of, kind of. He goes to another world. Oh, he goes to another world. I see a theme here gone. Yeah, no, he goes to another world with this girl, right? And then they're in, just in,
Starting point is 02:14:55 there's just in this, like, barren wasteland. And then they get transported with a bunch of people, and it's kind of like the Gantz kind of theme where it's, it's not as brutal, because it's like Shonen Jump Gantz. So it's not got like massive gore, but like people just start dying, left, right and center. Right? And for some reason,
Starting point is 02:15:11 she has like a special psychic power that she uses to survive. So he kind of, of follows her, right? And so in like fighting through this kind of death game, kind of barren wasteland kind of thing, he, he like tries to figure out where the fuck he is, how he got there, and what the fuck's going on, right? And then it's like the big twist at the end of episode four is that he goes on top of this like, like, building that's just been like laying, like, it's, it's like, what's the word I'm looking for? Like abandoned? No, not abandoned, but it's just like,
Starting point is 02:15:45 it's, what's the word where it's just like, it's been years since this building's been overgrown, dilapidated? Delapidated, yeah, it's this, the lapidated building, right? And he goes on it and he sees Mount Fuji, right? And it's just, he realizes that for some reason, he's in Japan, he's in a city that is in complete ruins, and the apocalypse
Starting point is 02:16:06 has happened. And so he doesn't know how he got there or where he is. That's right. Or, should I say it? Okay, I'm gonna say, okay. Spoiler a lot. Or when he is, but. I mean, I guessed when you were said that he's in Japan. Yeah, yeah.
Starting point is 02:16:21 Time thing. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Yeah, I was like, okay, well, that's, you know, would signal the passage of time. Yeah, yeah, so, so I guess, I guess that spoils it, but yeah, I mean, so what I love about this is that it's a Shonen Jump action manga that has, has a mystery core.
Starting point is 02:16:39 Because the core of this is him going back to, his own world or his own time and kind of figuring out what the fuck happened. How did it happen? And in that process, like, that's all I'm going to say, because in that process, there's so many twists and turns that come from that and him trying to figure out what's going on. And it was just nice to see like a Shonen Jump that has action in it, but also has this really mystery aspect that keeps you coming back and just keeps you like reading the next page just to figure out what happens because I feel like there's there's been Shonanjump with a mystery aspect for example, uh, what's the one where
Starting point is 02:17:17 they eat kids again? Uh, Promise Neverland. Promise Never that's like Promise Neverland. It's like, obviously. I've never heard Promise Neverland be described as what's the one where they eat kids. I mean, what, I don't know why I got it right away. Am I wrong? Am I wrong? I mean, that is what it is. That is what it is. Like, shen and jump is not, it's not the one about the kids trying to escape. It's the one where the kids get eaten. Come on.
Starting point is 02:17:39 Like, I like the fact that it had a mystery aspect and also a battle shonen aspect. And I feel like it was so underground because nobody fucking read it. I think the problem with Siren is that it kinda came out at a time where Shonen Jump was just absolutely stacked where like everything else in Shonan, because this was like mid 2000s Shonan Jump, right?
Starting point is 02:18:02 So this was not only in the midst of the big three, but also like the lesser known Shonen Jump stuff that was not the big three were still very, very, very popular. So why do they get canceled then? Um, just because it wasn't popular enough. Yeah. I'm just like, I feel like another thing is that unfortunately the art style just looks so generic, because this came off the bleach. It does look, I, the main character looks like Itchigo.
Starting point is 02:18:24 Yeah, yeah. It kind of looks so generic, but it has so many original ideas. Like, I've really, like, without spoiling what the main character's power is. So like anyone who goes to this world gets a special power of their own, right? And I, like, as an engineer, he has like a really unique power where I'm not going to spoil exactly what. but he can't control this power. Like he can't consciously control this power. So what he does to kind of figure out a way, different ways to use this power is he makes subroutines
Starting point is 02:18:52 for this power. So it's basically like he makes programming loops for this power to like follow a set algorithm to do exactly what he wants. And I'm just like that's such a unique idea. I'm like slowly remembering this manga and talk about it. Men can type 2,000 words per minute.
Starting point is 02:19:09 But yeah, like, I mean, I could have put like Hunter Hunter or other Shonen Jump manga on here. It's nice to see some variation. But yeah, like I said, every Shonen Jump manga I can think of putting on here has an anime adaptation. So that's the only reason why I put Siren on here because it's my favorite Shonen Jump manga
Starting point is 02:19:27 that does not have an anime. Because it got canceled because it wasn't popular enough. The other one I would put on there is, did you ever read MZero? I did not read MZero. Okay, that's another one that was like, kind of, it came out around the same time as Siren where Shoney Jum was just stacked.
Starting point is 02:19:40 Never got an anime adaptation, but it's so good. What's that about? M0 is about, it's this, basically, it's this kid who enters this magic school, but he himself has zero magic abilities. Yeah. So this is literally like, think of like fucking My Hero Academia, right? But instead of quarks, it's magic power.
Starting point is 02:19:57 And you have like certain levels of magic. And the higher your magic level is, the more powerful of like a magic card you get that can like activate magic skills. And the main character, again, he has zero magic. So he gets an M0. Oh, okay.
Starting point is 02:20:10 And it's just him basically just trying to basically survive and graduate the magic school. But like the art style is so unique and it's such a dope solid story. But again, it never got an anime adaptation and like hardly anyone read it because again, did it get canceled? No, it didn't get canceled.
Starting point is 02:20:26 It had a proper ending. It got like 12 volumes or something. Oh. And it had a proper ending. It just no one read it because during that time Sean and Jump was so stacked with all these other insane shows. Stacked now as well. Stack now but like mid 2000 Shon and Jump was like
Starting point is 02:20:39 So you can recommend it even though there's never an ending? Like is it? Oh no, it has an ending. It's just very rushed. But like, they're like wrap it up, come on. I mean, Huckshaw was kind of the same as well. Yeah, but like I feel like I can still recommend it because the mystery aspect got solved
Starting point is 02:20:54 and it got solved in a decent amount of time. What didn't get, what was like a bit unsatisfying was just each character's resolution because it got wrapped up so quickly. But the mystery aspect, which was the reason I was so addicted to it was reading, that gets wrapped up just fine. And that's why I can still
Starting point is 02:21:09 or recommend it. So what's Love Hino about? Wait, have you not read Orch Lohenna? No, I don't know. I don't know anything. I don't know anything about Love Hina. Wow. Love Hina, okay, this is, this, this, I'm gonna say it right now, this is nostalgia.
Starting point is 02:21:24 Look, I mean, look, Akamudskins is fucking amazing. It's like, explain yourself, what is it about? It's nothing you haven't heard before. Yeah, it's a manga where a guy loves Hino. Oh, for fuck, say. That's Hina. Is it interesting? He loves you.
Starting point is 02:21:40 That's Nauru. Oh yeah. That's Nauru. And, okay, so a guy, a guy moves into this, to her, his grandma's onsen, right? Because his grandma owns an onsen. And it turns out it's also a girl's dormitory. And, uh... Hey!
Starting point is 02:22:00 And, okay, it's a fucking harrim anime, okay? It's, sorry, it's a harrim manga, okay? And, uh, how can I say this? It's, uh, just a classic, isn't it? It's, it's just a solid haram manga. And I, there's nothing I can do to convince you to watch it. I, I, I'm not gonna try and convince you to read it, okay? I'm not, I'm not here.
Starting point is 02:22:20 This isn't for you, Connor. This is for me, Connor. I never said it was, you know, yes. This is Gantz Ichgo 100%. Honestly, this was the very first manga I've ever read. Oh, really? Yeah, yeah, yeah. Out of everything, right? Because I remember watching, it was the first anime I ever watched.
Starting point is 02:22:36 Because before that, I had this like, First anime. No, sorry, sorry, so, sorry. It's the first anime. I was gonna say this is the first anime you ever watched. This is the first anime I watched where before that, I had this massive complex against manga, right? Because I was like, no, because like.
Starting point is 02:22:49 I've discriminated against manga. Honestly, honestly, because I'm like, how can you get into black and white drawings? I'm sorry, I'm sorry. This is disgusting. This is for peasants. Western comics go through the trouble of coloring in.
Starting point is 02:23:03 Where's the movement? Where's the color? Exactly. I'm just like, how am I supposed to get into this? And I'm like, love he's, was the first anime I watched where I'm just like, I wanna see what happens. I'll fight through the book and I wanna see what happens enough
Starting point is 02:23:19 that I'll fucking read the manga. She looks cute, but she looks like a, like a Pokemon reject. Um, she's a... I think every character in the 90s look like a point of one reject. Because I think they all had like the same kind of characters. So out of 10?
Starting point is 02:23:33 I mean, I, I, I, I, I, just give me a fucking score gone. What is it? That stutter was a five. That's the only thing I mean. I think Lovehena to this day is like a solid six or seven. I think it's just a fun six or seven. It's a fun.
Starting point is 02:23:48 Okay, if you like Haram manga, which you don't. So, okay, if you like Haram manga, I still think Lafina is such, is a very, very solid. It still stands up to this time. Why do you love Haram anime, I have manga so much? What about the Haram speaks to you, Garum? I just like girls, eh?
Starting point is 02:24:05 I want all the girls. I want them fighting girls. I'll break it down because this is gonna be a really weird analogy. If I'm like, if there's a haram manga that I'm invested in, it's not, it's not specifically about, oh, there's a bunch of girls.
Starting point is 02:24:19 What I equates reading a haram manga to is kind of like watching us, watching a sports match, right? I know you're gonna fucking say this. Yeah, yeah, because, okay, because- You pick your team and you root for them. You pick your team and you get emotionally invested, right? And you pick your best girl
Starting point is 02:24:35 and you fucking root for them and you stick through it through thick and thin. And then even if they don't win, they've won in your heart. Yeah, even if they don't win, but if they do win. It's like, it's such an emotion rush. Because like, yes, yes, yes! You literally become a fucking sports fan.
Starting point is 02:24:54 I bet God's never as happy as when his fucking harrum enjoys wins. Honestly, like, part of the best part of harams, right, is watching it with the community. Because like half the fun is seeing a girl win, but also half the fun is shitting on the fans of the losing girl as well. That's like equally as fun.
Starting point is 02:25:10 That's what I loved about Ichegone 100% because I read it with a bunch of my Japanese friends who were all just as invested and they all had their own winners. And when I, when my goal won, I was like, fuck you. I told you. Joey had the biggest dick that week. I did. I felt good.
Starting point is 02:25:25 I felt good. Okay. I mean, it's, I still think it's a solid harem. I think one of the biggest differences to a lot of harems I met is that I do like the character development of the main guy. He starts off as obviously a fucking loser with no personality, but as the series goes on, he actually develops.
Starting point is 02:25:41 Why don't we ever get Chad's? Is there any characters? Because they wouldn't be interesting. Because then it would be a hent- Chats who become more. That's the difference between- Where's the space for growth if they're already a child? Maybe they come more modest.
Starting point is 02:25:54 Maybe they learn modesty. No one wants to see that. I want to see a man learn modesty. He goes from like this brick shit house brute. It's just a guy who's too full of himself. It just gets modest. I'm bored some. That'd be wholesome.
Starting point is 02:26:06 I'm sure that exists somewhere. And I guess like the other classic on there, of course, is a 20th century. I think he'd say domestic girlfriend. I was like, I was like, domestic girlfriend. For fuck. I was about like give you the backhand.
Starting point is 02:26:17 Well, no, while we're on shit, let's keep talking about domestic girlfriend. If we're gonna talk about love, you don't. Okay, I really, I'm gonna stop talking, you know. Just give me, we've seen it on your channel. We can go and watch you. We've seen your video. We can literally go and get the fountain
Starting point is 02:26:29 of like non-existent youth from you on this, this thing where you just never age and you talk about this for 10 years. I can, I can continually talk about it forever. Give me a five minute. You got five minutes gone. Sell this to me because I watched, I watched three episodes and I immediately dropped it.
Starting point is 02:26:44 Domestic girlfriend fucking awoke something in me, like you, this, this single show basically dictated my hentai taste from like, there's me before domestic girlfriend and there's me after domestic girlfriend. So wait, if I'm correct, is it, there's a guy and there's a teacher? Yeah.
Starting point is 02:27:04 And a sister. Okay, okay, so. That's correct. Is that correct? Okay, so let me break it down for you, okay? So there's this guy who has, who's in love with this teacher, right? And one day, he just randomly goes up to a meetup, and he meets another girl at a karaoke.
Starting point is 02:27:20 What's, what's it called in a car? Like a bar? No, what's the event where? A mixer. A mixer. Thank you, Sydney, you know. So he goes to a mixer and he meets this girl. And this girl, for some reason, wants to lose her virginity
Starting point is 02:27:35 because she just, at the age where she just like, fuck it, I got nothing better to do. Doesn't the anime literally open with them like after that? The anime literally opens with them just after. Okay. Right. And so he sleeps with this girl and then he's who he's just met and then they say goodbye. And then he goes home and then he finds out that his dad's getting remarried. And then he meets the family that he's getting like his dad's getting married to.
Starting point is 02:28:00 And it turns out that the mother of or his future mother. in law, or no, he's future stepmother. She has two daughters. One is the girl he slept with, and the other is the teacher he's in love with. And that is the premise of domestic girlfriend. When we need it. Literally, this is, this is, this is, this is like, what if we made all porn categories into one?
Starting point is 02:28:27 This is what it sounds like. Basically. Combine every porn. Where are the laundry machines? Get four of them in this house. Okay, so like, I will fully admit that the concept, I mean, yeah, this is a hensai plot. Okay, this is, this is your, this is your kisses.
Starting point is 02:28:46 Let's be real, no, it's, it's, it's better in the kiss. It is. People were what, like, when we did the anime three by three, people were like, why, why is the domestic girl from anime not on there? It's because I actually revved the manga. I think it's a good fucking manga, and I will defend it till the day I fucking die.
Starting point is 02:29:02 Would you say it's a masterpiece? I would say, I mean, It's a masterpiece in my heart, okay? Okay. No, because like, what happens is like, this is- Masterpiece is short for masturbating, I guess. But like, what I love about this manga is that it takes the most, like, it's, the situation is a complete car wreck, and it just turns to a car wreck, to a train wreck,
Starting point is 02:29:26 to a fucking nuclear holocaust. Like, the layers of how complicated the situation get, just get stacked on top of each other. But what offsets this is that it's actually a really well-written manga. It's like a lot of thought. You're being very oxymoronic right now. Okay, okay, okay. Because a lot of thought was really put into the characters. So the characters actually seem really realistic,
Starting point is 02:29:51 and you can kind of like empathize with them, right? What you can't relate to is the fucking situation that they're in. So you put really, you put, like, you put actual, like, realistic characters or well-written characters into this really fucking trashy, wacky situation. And it's such, it's like a juxtaposition of just you're actually invested in these characters, but also the stuff that's happening is so wild
Starting point is 02:30:16 that you just want to keep reading just to see what happens next. It's like a soap opera, but the characters are actually really like, you're really, really invested in these characters. I just couldn't get to that point with the anime, honestly. So what's more of a battle, this or kingdom? What's more of an epic battle?
Starting point is 02:30:33 It's two different battles, isn't it? Which is the bigger battle, God? Oh, I don't know which one's more five-head, man. One of them is like you're physically getting hurt battle, the other is like chipping away your brain. Okay, because, like, the anime is a really, okay, what the anime did is that it just took all the trashy moments in the manga without any of the character moments
Starting point is 02:30:54 and just put them, and just speed ran it. So it made a bad porno. Huh? It made a bad porn. Yeah, he made a bad porno. Okay. It, it, uh, I mean, what, what porno doesn't have character development? Well, how can I get invested?
Starting point is 02:31:07 A good one. We don't need it. And, uh, yeah, I will, I will keep talking about domestic. I'm sure if you want to hear, go out, talk about it, just ask him in public, ask him anywhere, watch, watch the 17 videos he made on it. I realize, I realize that, uh, I've made like a manga three by three, uh, hentai three by three, I'm sorry, Dojin three by three. This is all in, and, uh, an anime three by three, and all of them have incest in it.
Starting point is 02:31:31 I just wanna say for the record, where is the incest sign? I just wanna say for the record, I do not like incest. You are very lucky that you're an only child. That's all I'm saying. Otherwise the insect would have destroyed. If I put this many incest things in mind,
Starting point is 02:31:45 everyone would be like, yo, Codd's got three brothers. Oh, no. I've got a sister. Did I be fucked? Look, all I'm saying is, at least I don't like step-mom porn because everyone has a mother. What, like, everyone, everyone has a mother? What's your excuse?
Starting point is 02:31:58 What's your excuse, Connor, for mother-nose breast? Let's not get into that. All right, let's talk about 20th century boys, okay. Because that is actually a good manga. Okay, this is my favorite manga of one. It's brilliant. I've never read this.
Starting point is 02:32:13 I've been wanting to read this. I've actually got it downloaded, ready to read. Everything by Ura-San-R-I-E is. I can give you the manga volumes instead. Oh, you have them with you? Yeah, in English? Yeah, in English. Oh, shit.
Starting point is 02:32:23 That's a much better language is going to read it. Time? Well, the cover looks badass. Oh, so. It's fucking amazing. So 20th Century Boys is my favorite manga of all time. And I've, I only read this just before moving to Japan. And it's, it's kind of like the Yasmi Pumpin,
Starting point is 02:32:39 where I knew I would love this for ages. And I held off reading it until I had just the right amount of time and the right mindset. And that just so happens when I had the few week break before I moved to Japan. And I was like, okay, I am now ready to experience. I am now ready for emotion. And it lived up to everything and more.
Starting point is 02:32:58 Like, I knew it was like a magnum opus of a piece of work. And I still like, it's amazing, but also it, like, every lesson and every message you tried to say, like, spoke to me personally as well. So it was kind of like a mixture of personally, this was my kind of story,
Starting point is 02:33:15 and also it's an amazing story. This was the manga that made me go, wow, Uraso Naoki's a fucking genius. Because you hear a very quick rundown of the plot. Sure, sure. So I don't really know anything about it. So it's pretty complicated plot, isn't it? It's a very common.
Starting point is 02:33:28 Just give me the most bare bones explanation. Okay. So I'll try to sell you as quickly as possible. So imagine like when you're growing up as a kid, right? You play hero and villains, right? And so like you play a hero and someone plays the hero and someone plays the villain. And normally a super villain, they try to take over the world, right? It's a cartoony plot.
Starting point is 02:33:48 They take over the world and the hero stops them. Now what if you could make this very childish plot believable? That is basically what 20th century boys is, right? That sounds cool. It's someone who basically tries to take over the world and Naoki, Naoki Ursao went, how can we actually make this actually seem realistic and feasible? And terrifying. And terrifying as well.
Starting point is 02:34:11 That's like the bare bones basic premise of this. What I love about this is that it's kind of like a mystery. So it doesn't open up with that premise. What he opens up with is this guy who's just a normal guy who stumbles upon a conspiracy, right? And so, of course, you stumble upon a conspiracy and you see how, how deep this, how deep this conspiracy goes. There's this flat.
Starting point is 02:34:33 Yeah, yeah, exactly, exactly. And it, the way the story unravels is that like you are given pieces just to how, how deep this conspiracy goes and how far it runs. And the more chapters you read, normally like, you see a mystery and like you can, you're able to like kind of get a feel
Starting point is 02:34:52 of like how big this mystery is, right? What I find fucking amazing about 20th century boys is that I was like five to 10 volumes in or something like that. And it felt like I was staring into an abyss in terms of this mystery. Like this, this, this, this feeling where you just don't know how deep this rabbit hole goes.
Starting point is 02:35:10 Like you, you were just like, there's no way this can go deeper and then something gets revealed and you're like, where does this end? How the fuck, how far does this go? And like the way that, and that's what I find, I find that incredible. There's no, been no other mystery that's just giving me this feeling of just like, it was kind of like almost existential dread
Starting point is 02:35:28 because I didn't know how far this sang or how deep this went. And it's probably like, it's my favorite manga of all time, I think it's my favorite mystery of all time. Urazaa Nalki is just so amazing at writing these just mysteries where it's just like, you don't know where it's going. And also, I don't know about you, but Urazao Naoki, I feel is a genius
Starting point is 02:35:48 at writing some of the most perfect antagonists. Yeah, yeah, yeah. I mean, he also did Monster. Oh, right. Yeah, okay, you should have said that. Oh yeah, yeah, it's the same guy who wrote Monster. Same guy who wrote Monster. But like Monster is like,
Starting point is 02:36:00 more character-driven, I think it's like much more smaller scale. This one is like a fucking massive scale. This fucking sucks. There's so much to read now. Yeah. And like this is never going to get an anime adaptation. Because like, compared to Monster, this is... You got a live action.
Starting point is 02:36:15 This is, yeah, I don't know. It did? Yeah, it's shit. I mean, compared to Monster, this, this would be like hundreds of episodes maybe, because that's just, that's just how, that's just how far wrong. This would easily be like 15, 200 episodes. Yeah, yeah.
Starting point is 02:36:28 I'm down, make it happen. Hunter got over a hundred and a hundred and a hundred and a hundred And yeah, I feel like it's the greatest manga I've ever read. And it's definitely out there. Yeah, yeah. Is there anything more than that? Can you give it higher praise than that? Yeah, it's my...
Starting point is 02:36:42 I guess I have to read it. You have to read it. Yeah, it's brilliant. It's my, it's, it's, I, like, I can't even pick a favorite anime of all time, but the fact that I can pick a favorite manga of all time is telling. That's telling. Ladies and gentlemen. We got him.
Starting point is 02:36:56 We got it. And it's not domestic girlfriend. Surprisingly. Fuck for that. Thank you. Fuck for that. I didn't put anything significant in my middle one, I just clicked.
Starting point is 02:37:05 I should have. It was the Oromo square. That's why I put it in the middle. Yeah. And you have, well, two more, well, I guess one more. We'll talk about Buzok after. Beck. The manga for Beck.
Starting point is 02:37:19 I've only watched the anime. I've only watched the anime. I've only watched the anime. Joey. Joey, Joey, my boy. Joey my boy. You would actually love the Beck manga. I mean, dude, I, dude, I fucking love the anime.
Starting point is 02:37:31 And again, same thing, everyone's saying, the manga is even better. The manga is even better. Before you get your dicks out and start comparing, what we do the plot of Beck? I know nothing. I mean, it's, it's like, uh, it's a music anime, right? Fuck off, it's not a music.
Starting point is 02:37:45 It is a music. It's just plays music. Yeah, he just joins a band and tries to get big. Yeah, so. Come on, fuck off. I'm not even joking. I'm not joking. That's literally the plot of back.
Starting point is 02:37:56 What's good about it then? It's just the, it's just the journey. It's, it's, it's, it's, completely character-driven. You looked at me dead in the eyes and you said, it's the journey. Well, it's just like, some, some, it really is the journey.
Starting point is 02:38:07 Yeah, yeah, it's, it's, the journey. I mean, it, it's, uh, what I love about Beck. I mean, it's a very simple story in that sense. It's a completely character-driven story where it's about a boy who joins a band and they're very underground, they're trying to make it big. Um, and it's literally just their journey of making it big, right? And, you know, I mean, you've seen movies and fucking,
Starting point is 02:38:30 you know, story things before. A star is born. Yeah, and obviously there's, I mean, there's... Sabrina. Miley Cyrus, Hannah Montana. The best of those worlds. Sorry, sorry. Think about that, but just like better.
Starting point is 02:38:46 How dare you dis by Miley like that? Is it a good, good musical anime? It is just the most... It just relies on the characters? It's very heavily relying on the characters. But like the way the characters are written and just how they play off each other, and like all of the, I mean, A, it's very realistic,
Starting point is 02:39:04 which is already like a big plus for me, especially with like a character-driven story like that. But also it's just like, yeah, I don't know. It's just a really good journey. Do you think I'd enjoy it? Do you like rock music? I enjoy rock music. I mean, it's, it's, if you are like,
Starting point is 02:39:18 Mark Zuckerberg answering that question. Do you like human things? Yes, I like human things. And I think, I kind of realized, I asked the person who enjoys, You enjoy the beeps and the boobs. Do you like rock music? I do enjoy rock music, but I felt like the pressure was on
Starting point is 02:39:35 for some reason. Sorry, go ahead. Yeah, I mean, it's, what I love about Beck is that it's just, it just captures the, you know, the love for rock and, you know, good old, you know, old classic rock and roll and just like how rock is evolved through time. So do they mention like all of like,
Starting point is 02:39:52 like, do they mention the fact like they play like a cover of the Beatles and shit? Yeah, yeah, yeah. How does, is it, you know, I just thought about it a second, I'm like, oh wait, surely you'd wanna listen to the music, right? Yeah, so I thought that's why I watched the anime. Yeah, that's what I thought, I thought that as well, right?
Starting point is 02:40:08 Because I was just like, shit, I kind of really wanna know what happens, but I don't know if I can get invested in a, um, in a fucking manga about music where, I don't know if you'd know anything about manga, but, uh, you can't really hear anything that's going on in the manga. That shit don't have audio. Yeah, and then I realized, I don't realize the fucking, I, I kind of, of realize a super life hack when reading Beck, right? Because what, because, you know, I also watch the anime.
Starting point is 02:40:35 That's what got me into reading the manga. I know you're gonna say. And I realized that when they're playing in their concerts and it's hype, you can literally just play whatever song you fucking love and you feel the fucking brain expansion. Brain expansion. That sounds like a lot of work, you know.
Starting point is 02:40:53 I gotta go through my playlist. Brain expansion. I mean, like, you can do it if you, if you kind of like, if you want to like really get invested and really like put yourself into this rock concert. But what's amazing about the manga is that it somehow captures the energy
Starting point is 02:41:08 of a concert so fucking well. And like if you've ever been to a gig and if you've ever like seen, sorry. Thank you, Connor. Thank you. No, I'm joking. I'm joking. I sneeze when I'm bored. Connor when he listens to someone talking about music.
Starting point is 02:41:25 He's not even like a logic reaction to it. Play music, yeah. So someone like read musical sheets near me. So go, go, go. No, if you've ever been to a gig, and especially, like, a rock concert, there's a certain, like, energy to seeing your favorite band live. And I don't know how the manga,
Starting point is 02:41:41 the manga, which is a medium where you can't hear anything, it captures the energy so well that you can play the music of whatever your favorite band is, and you're just like, holy fuck, I'm feeling hyped. And the reason this is- More about conveying the feelings in the music, so. Yeah, yeah, exactly. And the music is just like,
Starting point is 02:41:57 kind of like complimentary to that as well. And like, if you like the anime, Joey, then you're gonna fucking love the manga because the manga takes the best parts of, like the best scenes of what happens in the anime. And there are, there are scenes in the manga that are like five times as hype as anything that happens in Grateful Sounds.
Starting point is 02:42:16 I know what I'm buying next time. Yeah, yeah. And like, it's hard to sell back if you haven't seen the anime because if you haven't seen the anime, I think that's the best way to get into the manga because it's like I said, it's a musical manga and it might be a hard sell if you don't know,
Starting point is 02:42:33 if you don't know what you're getting into, but if you like rock, but if you like rock, if you feel like good old rock and roll. I still remember that scene in Beck that made me be like, hell yeah. It was like the scene where he does the cover of I got a feeling by the... Yeah, yeah, yeah.
Starting point is 02:42:46 That scene is like the most fucking like... Hell yes moment. It is so good. I don't know what you're talking about, it's such a hell yes. It's so, yes. steeped in rock culture that if you like that. There's a lot of people in Japan
Starting point is 02:43:02 who just love fucking rock and roll. Yeah, yeah, yeah. You know, we see a British, like, oh, sex pistols. Yeah, yeah, that's me. That's a British man. That's me. Honestly, like they make so many references to like real life bands, which is something I also love as well.
Starting point is 02:43:15 Like they say like, oh, this person's inspired by Hendrix or sex pistols. Yeah, look, there's another manga that does that. Jojo. Yeah, Joe. Yeah, yeah. Exactly, right? That was the joke I was gonna go for.
Starting point is 02:43:26 And of course the only square that's been taken up by all three of our three by threes, rightfully deserved. Rightfully deserved. Well, I think last time we spoke about it, I don't think I'd finished it on the podcast, had I? No, you hadn't. No, I didn't think so.
Starting point is 02:43:43 I finished it. Yeah, caught up to it. Yeah, caught up. But I mean, you could tell it was nearly done. Yeah. It kind of had like its own somewhat conclusion around that point. When I was reading it and I saw the dreaded,
Starting point is 02:43:58 I saw how many chapters I had left, you know, a little sinking feeling was coming in my heart. But, you know, I still, I'm very saying, because I felt like he was so close to the end. Like we were, we were there. Like, he was, he was literally prepping. Yeah, he was prepped. I don't know, I think, I still think he had a lot.
Starting point is 02:44:14 I don't know, because he, you know, how before a big raid, you know, you get some new armor, you get some new stuff, right? That's what was going on. There was definitely a prominent fight coming up, and I was like, yeah. We were gonna, and it was, It was gearing up that it was like, all right,
Starting point is 02:44:26 we're getting a big boy fight coming. We might have been like 10 years away, but it was coming. It was coming. It was like, oh, she's coming. But like, yeah, I mean, I do we need to explain the plot of Berserk? Do we, I mean, it's just, I guess we should a little bit, right?
Starting point is 02:44:43 I guess. There is probably people watching this who have not read Berserk. Yeah. I mean, I was one of those people. Would you like to explain the plot then? There was a boy who was orphaned. He was thrown to the wayside in a pile of horrible fluids on the ground.
Starting point is 02:44:58 And there was a woman who was like, no, we must pick this up. And the mercenary band that was traveling with this one was like, no, let him die. Let him die. But then somehow the woman convinces the man to let her pick the baby up and raise this child who is going to be guts, our main character. And as you can tell, this upbringing is not the best. And many more horrible things happened to this child through his upbringing. So many horrible things. So many gross things.
Starting point is 02:45:22 But the band of mercenaries also train him. to be a warrior. And then, you know, because he's had so many bad things happened to him during his childhood. He becomes kind of the, the lone gamer warrior that we all think is the coolest thing ever.
Starting point is 02:45:34 Yeah, but, you know, the black swordsman, right? The guy who can carry the big ass sword not Kiritor. Not Kiritoro. The one who can just be everyone alone, right? And, you know, he's slowly realized that's a bit of an empty life
Starting point is 02:45:48 and wants to make friends. And then bad things happen. Very bad things happen. And bad things continue to happen. And it's about getting over those bad things and trying to learn to accept people and love again, I suppose, in certain ways. It poses itself as this like, big bad guy with a sword,
Starting point is 02:46:08 fights monsters and bad dudes and tries to survive the wall. But at the end of it, you realize, oh, it's not about that. No, it's about his journey. Yeah, it's always, always about that. It's always about the journey. It's about him.
Starting point is 02:46:20 It's literally just like a manga about his life. And the cherry on top is just God tier art. God tier art is just insane. Like it's just like, no one can draw like mirror. Yeah. And like if you haven't read it, you know, I was, I had not read it for a very long time.
Starting point is 02:46:37 Yeah. I knew it was good, but I just didn't do it. You didn't know how good it was. I didn't know how good it was. I mean, I've watched the anime and I thought, oh, it's pretty good. It's good this thing, it's pretty all right. Wait, the 2016 anime?
Starting point is 02:46:49 No, the 90s anime. Oh, okay. I was about to fucking say. No, no, no. No, no. Yeah, we don't do that here. We do not do that here. We do not do that here.
Starting point is 02:46:58 And yeah, I read it and I'm saying like, if you're sleeping on it or you've been putting it off, like now is the time, like, you know, while it's still fresh in everyone's hearts, you know. It's paid tribute to the king, read it, it's amazing. It's, you will not regret it. Like, it has, dare I say a little something for everybody. I mean, there's a reason why.
Starting point is 02:47:19 Whatever you want out of a manga, I guarantee you'll get something out of this. There's a reason why. it's been goaded forever now. Yeah. It is not just like overhyped at all. It is, it is just rightfully deserved. It is not overhyped.
Starting point is 02:47:30 And I've, I thought of every possible reason I could to not put this on my three by three because it's just like, it's just the one that goes on. I know we were all gonna put it in. Everyone, it's just like the manga that goes on, everyone's three by three and I'm just like, can I be that person? Yes, you're reserved.
Starting point is 02:47:46 I have had many manga that I, well, not many, most, that I've had one or two chapters that I have been like, you know, Well, let's just kind of speed run this part. Let's get through it fast. I never, ever, ever felt like that during Berserk. Even though I'd seen the first arc, I still was like, fuck, this is good, taking my time.
Starting point is 02:48:03 Exactly. Like what I find incredible is that, you know, people will look at Berserk or people who have never read Berserk, they look at it and they see, oh, musty man with big sword go brr, you know. That's kind of like what it looks like on the cover. But like, what everyone who's read Berserk and the moments that stand out in Berserk
Starting point is 02:48:20 and the parts that people remember are always like the quiet moments. It's the beautiful moments. And that's because there's the juxtaposition between like the fucked up shit that happens and the bloody and gory and amazing action that is in the manga, like it's juxtaposed with some of like the most beautiful moments
Starting point is 02:48:37 you can find in fiction. Just the scene of God standing in the field of flowers. Yeah, just that whole like mini arc, if you will, it was like one of my favorite moments really. So I was like, oh shit, they just took like, they were like, hold up. Let's bring fields. Yeah, because I feel like,
Starting point is 02:48:52 I feel like the story of Berserk speaks to just a core that so many people can relate to. Like, to get fucking real for a second, like if you've ever felt lost in life or you don't know what your purpose is or you don't know what... If it's worth it. If you don't know if it's worth it or why you're fucking here,
Starting point is 02:49:08 like if you're just ever having a bad day, like that's exactly what goes through in Berserk. He may look like a big, mustily man, but he, like the journey that he goes through is exactly the same realization that a lot of us have gone through in our lives. Under that hunk of muscle, there is a heart. You can't chop your way through every problem.
Starting point is 02:49:30 Yeah, yeah, yeah. That's what, you know. He tries and he realizes, no, he can't. As much as we'd all love to be the overpowered MC, like at the end of the day, that's not gonna help you solve every problem. Yeah, yeah. That's what, you know, just shows you, I guess,
Starting point is 02:49:43 in some ways not to get too lost in the things that are right in front of you, right? Which is a lot about what Berserk is about. Yeah, I think the scene that sort of, sold me on Berserk, if like, if I can get to do like small spoilers of the golden age arc, um, it's, it's like the scene
Starting point is 02:50:00 after he beats like the hundred men. Cause like you, you think in warfare, you fuck, one man takes on a hundred men. That's fucking badass. In any other anime, that would like, that's framed as like, holy fuck, this is an incredible feat, which it is. And like, I remember like, it was just guts's reaction.
Starting point is 02:50:17 It was just realizing doesn't fucking mean anything. Yeah. Like I also the aftermath of everyone coming in the forest and seeing him just murdered 100 people. Yeah, yeah, yeah. They're just like, disgusted. They're like, what the fuck? It's like, how is this man alive?
Starting point is 02:50:28 Yeah, what the fuck? But yeah, it's afterwards that he just realizes, I'm doing this for no reason. I'm literally just killing 100 men and it just means nothing to me. And it's just like. Yeah, like even right away. Like even though I, you know,
Starting point is 02:50:42 I think I said this in the last episode, the last time he spoke about was like, I do think that I would have preferred the first part, which they, because they have like a time skip I would have preferred they've just put that in the right time. Because I feel like it kind of- Oh, and just start from like golden age.
Starting point is 02:50:58 Yeah, I think it would have been perfect to start from there, even though I'm sure people disagree with me. Because I feel like you get so many really cool experiences if you didn't know what was gonna happen. Yeah. And also just getting to see his childhood from the start would tell you all about the how fucked up this thing is gonna be. Yeah.
Starting point is 02:51:19 I guess they needed a hook, right, to sell people in. So I think that's why, but like, you know, I wonder if it was done again, you know, would it be ordered differently? Looking back, I wonder. I don't know, that's obviously just pure speculation. And I'm sure people would completely disagree with me and that's fine, so that's opinions, right?
Starting point is 02:51:35 That's what we have. And I think, I think especially, especially what happened recently, Berserkes really changed my perspective on how I view media as well, because I'm just like, before, I'm just like, something that's not finished can't be a masterpiece, and then I think about it,
Starting point is 02:51:48 and I'm just like, Berserk is a pure example of something that has done more than fucking enough to be a masterpiece. Like an unfinished masterpiece is still a masterpiece, you know. And I feel like that's really changed my perspective on other shows which may be not have ended and may never end and I'm just like, well, I think it's still done enough
Starting point is 02:52:09 to be called like a masterpiece. And I think Berserk's really showed me that as well. I agree. Yeah, read Berserk. Read Berserk. And listen to Gutsus theme. Even if you're not into dark fantasy, I think it's still-
Starting point is 02:52:20 I'm not into dark fantasy. I still think it can be very much enjoyed. I love talk fantasy. I mean, I guess there's nothing else to say, really, is there? Nothing else. There's no other three-lusts. I hope you've had some new recommendations. Yeah, I mean, you know what, God?
Starting point is 02:52:32 Not bad. I mean, let's take into consideration this middle one. Get that shit out of. Other than that? Other than that, good choice. Anyone who's read domestic girlfriend knows that this shit slacks. But yeah, let us know your three by three
Starting point is 02:52:45 is on the sub-reddit. Because we love to see, you know, like I need more recommendations. I'm wondering how many, how many people will have berserk there. I'm saying, man. Listen, it's, I wanna see a three by three
Starting point is 02:52:56 that doesn't have berserk in it. It's not normie to put berserk in your three by three. It's not overrated. It's just that good. It's like, you know, putting salt in my favorite like condiments. It's like, of course, I mean, it's, it needs to go on everything.
Starting point is 02:53:08 Like, what do you, I'm not, come on, don't, don't boom me, I'm right. It's like three by three of essential things. I put water, water is like water. Water, really? Wow, wow. You really putting water in the air. Wow.
Starting point is 02:53:19 I think phantom a lot. I think phantom belongs in ST, not water. But yeah, anyway, yeah, please send us your three by threes on the subreddit, go and follow us on Twitter and Joe, you can go and do the rest of this. Okay, if you, well, hey, let's talk about our patrons. First of all, oh yeah, let's do that. Let's bring them up on the screen right now.
Starting point is 02:53:35 I'm sure they have good taste in manga. But this guy right here has a great taste in mind. I'm sure Grant Gaylord has great taste of luck. I love that boy. Yeah, he has the best girlfriend in his manga. Oh, God. I know he does. But hey, if you like to support the show,
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Starting point is 02:53:58 Cheers, gamers. Yeah, I honestly, like, there weren't too many surprises this episode. I know what, we went from trash, today, we weren't trash taste. We were great taste. Yeah, gentlemen taste. Yeah, gentlemen's.
Starting point is 02:54:08 Refined taste. Yeah, we had refined taste. What a, what a nice episode with minimal arguing. Exactly. I don't know, I just feel like manga, there's so much less variation in taste, because everyone knows what, like, if there's a good manga,
Starting point is 02:54:23 like everyone can kind of agree, it's a good manga. No one reads like 200 chapters of something that they are not enjoyed, you know? True. So yeah, that's been this episode of Good Taste. I guess we'll see you guys soon. All right, bye. Bye.

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