Trash Taste Podcast - Sitting Down with a Legendary Japanese Vtuber (ft. Kson) | Trash Taste #83

Episode Date: January 22, 2022

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Delinquent B-tuber of all. I didn't think you were a dink. You've been really polite so far. No, no, I haven't. I mean, look at the way she's sitting. Yeah, look at the way she's posing. She can be doing that for the entire podcast. What?

I can poop here any time, you know. That's how delinca. Please don't. Only two people can sit like this, L and Kason. Yeah. I think you're the, the first guess who's ever brought up poop before we have.

Normally we have to apologize whenever we bring up. Poop is our thing. We usually start up with poop. We normally, we've made a pack not to bring it up because we bring it up too often. Yeah. Look how delinquent I am, see? Just completely disregard the golden rule of trash days

which is don't bring up poop. Right from the get-go. But I'm sure many are wondering, Kaysan, why are you here in your V-tuber form and not your human form? That's true. That's true. Why not? Because people love me in this form more.

All right. All right. Yeah. Fair enough. They don't love you in the other four? I'm sure they love you in the other four. Is that many people? But yeah, I kind of feel comfortable in this form too.

I get you, okay. Right. Because I don't have to put my makeup on. You know, that is something that I find very envious with every V-tuber. You just turn on the camera. You don't need to like give a shit about how you look. Yeah. Yeah.

I usually don't give you shit about it. I do morning streams, I wake up. I look like I'm hit by a truck. And I'm live and everyone's like, Connie, you look dead. Every stream without fail, someone's like, Connie looked tired, like, no shit, that's what happens when you wake up.

It's like, it could be 3pm and I still look like shit. I just don't care anymore. I just permanently have eye bags. So you can tell whenever I'm recording something late at night or early in the morning, because I always, always without fail, get the comments of, oh, have you been sleeping enough?

I was like, oh, thanks, mom. No, I've been sleeping enough. Don't worry about it. Oh, hi, general practitioner here. It seems like Garth's not getting enough sleep. Oh my God. My God. Wait, do you prefer, so do you prefer actually doing V-Tuber streams

or how can I say it's 3D streams, IRL streams? You've done a lot of 3D, IRL live action, whatever the fuck you wanna call it before, right? Of course, I call it a 3D high polygon. All right, all right, all right. Unreal Engine 4. Yeah, it's not, it's a model for me.

For me, that's a super high polygon model. Right, right. RTX-R-T-X-I, yes. So before we get into it, do you want to explain to the viewers what you do and what you do for streaming and everything like that? Yes. Oh, yeah, I'm a delinquent V-tuber.

I debuted on October 16th, so I'm kind of a new, a new one. A fresh face. Fresh face. Yeah, fresh face. But I've been streaming for, I've been doing this for like three years. And five years ago, I started filming videos of me playing games. And then after that, I thought I would like, let's do the V-Tuber stuff because I'm tired of putting makeup on myself.

I'm tired of like. Entire of the high polygons. Yeah. Because you've done a lot of cosplay stuff, right? You do a lot of cosplay streams, right? I like cosplay stuff. But that's like the antithesis of putting on makeup. Yeah, yeah, yeah.

Like you put a lot of makeup on for that. Yeah. Makeup's like step one. Yeah, yeah, yeah. And then it's like 20 steps after that. Yeah, yeah, yeah. How much prep do you have to do for a cosplay stream whenever you're cosplaying someone?

First of all, I make all my cosplay costumes. Oh, wow. I make it from scratch. Really? Yeah, I'm good at sewing. So I'm making myself. So step zero, I have to buy those stuff. Wow.

Make it. So you don't just buy wish like this guy, whatever. You don't just buy it from Amazon? Yeah, uh, yeah, man. Trying to find an adult Minecraft Steve costume. It's very difficult. I have a shirt and a pair of pants that is the exact same coloration as Minecraft Steve.

I want like the blocks, right? I've been trying to find a Minecraft Steve costume and it's been very difficult because everyone I've purchased or seen is for the ages of six to 12. Now I'm thinking one, so I ended up just buying the six to 12 one and fuck it, I'll just, I'll make it work. Just squeeze it. I'll just rip that thing as well.

Make it for you. Yeah, you should get your case on. Can I, can I do that? Maybe I'll do that. I don't know what your rates are. It's probably very expensive. Actually, I didn't know you made your own cosplay. How long does it take to make one?

Um, if I concentrate, maybe for like three days. If you use 100% of your brain. Yeah, 100% on my brain power and concentrate. Well, usually I can't do that so it takes about like two weeks. Yeah, that sounds really. Because like I've seen some of your cosplay streams in the class, yeah, and like I remember

you did one for bayonet. Yeah, the bayonet. Yeah, the bayonetone. Yeah, yeah. And I'm like, how the hell did you make that by yourself? Because that's better than like some professional banditur cosplays that I've seen. Oh, thank you.

Was that like the longest one you did? What's the longest one that took you? Maybe Bayonetta because her hair. Yeah. Yeah. It took more time to the costume. Her hair. I had to buy like three wigs.

Right. Three wigs and like, mess it up. Like, did you see that? We've probably got a picture on screen. Yeah, yeah, yeah. That like hairband thing that like defies physics. It's actually, it's actually SpongeBob's home that's been relocated.

It was so hard. I had to throw away. like three wigs, I messed up a lot of wigs, so much money in time. I can see why you do this now. Yeah, me too. You've had like, you know,

a very long and famous career doing this stuff and it's really impressive. One thing that I am kind of weirdly impressed by, because this is one thing that I find that people really struggle to do, is that you have mainly, is it correct in saying

of a Japanese audience mainly? Yeah. But you also have an English following. And it's normally really hard for creators to balance two different languages. In fact, because a lot of the platforms just don't want you to speak both languages. Because they want to know, okay, you speak English, we're recommending you to English speakers. Are you speak Japanese? Only Japanese speakers are getting it.

How do you find balancing that? Because, you know, it's way beyond my ability. I'm figuring it out, to be honest. like for the Japanese viewers, they don't like me speaking mostly in English because obviously they won't know. Yeah, yeah.

And, well, but I, mostly, my viewers are mostly Japanese and I mostly do the streams on in Japanese. So, but. Sorry, what gave you the idea to try and branch out to a more international audience. That's what I'm curious about.

Or was it just your, you had a language skill set and you just wanted to flex it kind of. I don't know, yeah, maybe, maybe, yeah, that's. I guess it's like, if you, or is it dumb luck. Or you're just like, I'm just gonna give it a go, see if it works, kind of thing, you just wing it. I'm like that.

I'm like, yeah, let's try it. If it works out, good. I'm like, I'm that kind of person. I don't think and like strategize, I just do it. She's just a genius, what can I say, right? Just five head. Yeah, I'm just a genius delinquent. Yeah, you can say that.

I'm envious of you. Being able to speak great Japanese and English, I'm Jerry's also. Yeah, but the thing is, I haven't been able to diversify my audience as much as case on as I feel. Have you tried to like capture a Japanese audience at all? And are you even interested in that? I just, I'm personally just not really interested in it.

Just because it's like, I don't know, it's just, because I feel it's just so different in terms of like content and stuff like that. Like if it's kind of like, you know, like what Kason does where it's like whole variety stuff, right? Like where you can just basically do whatever the hell you want. Then it's a little bit easier to try and branch out, right? But I don't know, it's also a lot of effort to do both.

You know what I mean? I do know if this is correct, right? I could be completely wrong. I've heard some stories about people who have audiences both. Like some YouTubers, they subtitle their stuff in Japanese. Yeah. And they've quite a decent Japanese following. The main thing I've been told is that Japanese people

have no chill online. That's the one thing. The one criticism that I've heard a lot. It's scary. At least that's from an English perspective. I don't know. What is it like having the two different types of audiences? Do you notice a difference between them both,

like distinctly, other than the language? Other than the language. Well, I don't know. Japanese people, like, it's just from my perspective, Of course. It's all opinion. It's all your opinion. I just said they had no chill.

I think I'm in trouble, probably. Japanese people mostly don't want to see my 3D high polygon stuff. Right. It's not like they don't love me as in that style. It's like they could, I don't know, relate more to the anime. Yeah. What do you figure? I don't know.

I, that's the part I don't understand much about. Yeah. Yeah. Because you're the same person, right? Yeah. It's just one's two D, one's a three-de polygon. Because you're not playing a character or anything like at all, are you? Well, I, I am a delinquent.

She is a delinquent. I'm not playing a character, I'm just delinquent. Yeah, yeah. I was born delinquent. Um, um, and what was I talking about? I guess, though, it kind of makes sense, right? Because otherwise, if the Japanese audience didn't have this infatuation with these 2D streamers,

then V-tubing wouldn't really be a thing in the first place, I feel. That's, it's weird. Like that infatuation had to come from somewhere, right? And like Japan is already, like, especially Japan's like autaku culture, is already so obsessed with like, you know, the whole 2D thing.

I mean, I got the Western brain. I don't know, that's not like a disease. I got Western brain. I got Western brain. I'm trying to like, I'm trying to wrap my head head around it is to give possible reasons. It's such a strange concept because like my parents like have no, like don't understand

the whole V-Tubing thing, you know. But they're like, but they're always so curious being like, why is it that people like this? And it's so hard to explain to them why. It's like- You'll never understand. Right. It's, but even if I like, you know,

brought up the whole debate of like, you know, Japanese people love 2D shit and when you put a real person into it, then it becomes more interactive. It's, it'll be like, I still like, why not just show the real face? And I'm like, valid argument, parents. Well, that's not how it works.

I mean, my parents don't understand anime period. So trying to explain V-tubers to them, it's just like a whole other level. It's like anime, but real. My parents haven't asked me yet, luckily. Really? I had this the other day when I went back home to England and I had to explain to like my family members,

like what V-tubers was, right? And there was just like, so many levels I had to explain to even like, come close to like introducing the ITU of V-Chiebers, right? Because they didn't know what streamers, how streamers made money, they didn't know what YouTubers was.

So I needed to like basically explain the internet before I could even like start explaining what V-tube is are. Iron Mouse told me a really fucking funny story that her mom, so her mom is like, doesn't understand it either. Right. Yeah. And, uh, because mouse is like really sick

and, you know, can't leave her house and can't do anything really. And her mom thought that everyone who was a V-tuber was also in the same- was sick. And there's just something so wholesome about that that I thought, oh. Oh, oh.

I don't know why that just like warmed my heart in a weird way where your mom was like, is everyone the same? And it's like, no, mom. But thanks for asking you. It's a nice sentiment. Yeah, that was really, how did you explain to your parents when you started getting into V-tubing?

Um, I didn't explain to them. What did you tell them? They know now, right? Yeah, they know now, but they will never understand because I just didn't. And my daddy still doesn't understand anything about what I do, I think. Does he keep asking you to get like a normal job?

No, he didn't do that, but he like, what the fuck is like V-Tubing and why does everyone pay money to you. A solid argument. See, they're on step two of parent. Step one is the period where they're like, you should go get a real job.

And then step two is where they've just given up on that. They just start to question what you do. Yeah. Because like I remember when I first quit to do YouTube and Patreon was like my main form of revenue. My parents, oh my God. Yeah, and then I had to explain to my parents what Patreon was.

and why that was basically my monthly salary. So I'm just like, yeah. So just people pay me to be me and do things that I did already. And they're like, no, but what are they paying you for? And they're like, just to be me. And they're like, no, no, no, no. But what are you selling to them?

Like, I'm not selling them anything. I feel like you're explaining it pretty bad. Yeah, just existing. It's like welfare, really, but just specific for me. I mean, isn't that just what YouTube had revenue? Welfare for YouTube. Yeah, welfare for YouTube. A bit too generous, I think, the welfare is.

Oh my God, very generous welfare. So when you're starting off, it's like welfare, right? Yeah, yeah, so. So going back to the language thing, are you surprised how much of a potential there was in an international audience? Because V-Tubing until like the last few years was very much a Japanese thing.

It was a Japanese idea. And I think, like, a lot of your content made it so that it was more accessible to people in the West. in the West. So were you surprised at all with, like, the rise of V-Tubing just globally? I was really surprised. I thought, like, just like my daddy had some allergies about these internet V-tubing things, I thought it was the same for those Western viewers to have, like, this anime,

well, anime avatar thing talking to you like that, maybe. It would, like, feel weird, but I thought it was really fun thing, and I just wanted to introduce to them. There's something like this, and it's really fun. If you don't like it, it's fine, but just take a peek at it. And it went good. Oh, and they took a peek at it, all right. It's kind of crazy how much it blew up in the West, I guess, really. It was almost overnight, it feels like it blew up.

Was it overwhelming at the time? Of course it was. I mean, I bet it was overwhelming when it was happening in the Japanese audience as well, right? Yeah, true, true. Well, like, why are all these English people coming in? What the fuck? It's like, you only had to worry about, you know,

one small island nation worrying about it and now you have the entire world looking at you. Yeah, I mean, it's kind of like anime itself, right, where a lot of it was originally just, you know, everyone thought that only Japan cared about anime. And now it's getting to a point where it's just becoming the mainstream cool thing for all your kids to be watching anime.

And like, you're bullied enough not watching anime. And now, like, I remember, And now kids have it easy. Like, I remember I have, like, I had, like, a monthly, like, Discord hangout where some of the members who are in my Discord group have been, like, watching me for, like, like, seven to ten years. And it's like, that already blaze my mind.

But every so often, we get someone new into the group. And normally, you know, everyone introduced myself, saying their favorite anime and, you know, saying, you know, their wifu or husbando. And, like, in the past few years, it used to always be, you know, anime Wifu or, you know, anime husbandos. Yeah.

But now every, every time someone new comes in, it's like, always V-Tubers now. Yeah, we're V-tubers. It's their Oshis now. Yeah. Well, right, yeah, there's V-tubers, a lot of them getting figures, a lot of them getting nendroids.

Yeah. Yeah. Which is pretty crazy, right? Like, that's, I think if you'd have said that, like, two years ago, everyone would be like, no. Well, I mean, I think-Kisna-I, right? Yeah, Kisna-I was like, when Kisna-I started blowing up

and she got, like, her own figure and stuff like that. Yeah, selling it out. I was like, I was like, whoa, what the fuck? This is so weird. The figures, yeah. Yeah, like when the figures came out, it was nuts. And now it's just like pretty normal.

Yeah. Super normal. Yeah. When's your, when's your, when's your coming out, K's on? Eventually. As a V-tube, you can sell two things. I'm figure on one FD's.

I was wondering where you were going. I was like figurine nenderoi. I was like figurine super chasmus. No. We haven't, thankfully we haven't gotten to that point, I don't think, yet. But, uh. Because you could sell.

There is a big future. You could sell yourself, right? As an NFT. Stop, stop. Is that not what they're doing? We, like, we don't need, we don't need this idea to be in our world right now. I just kind of clocking. out whenever I see the NFT now, I just stop looking.

I don't read any article, I don't wanna look at it. Just, just, you're the one that keeps bringing it up on the show. Okay, one more, one more thing before I stopped talking about NFT, have you seen a clip of Keanu laughing at NFTs? I know, no, it's so good. There's this clip where this guy talks to Keanu Reeves about NFTs and he just starts giggling.

I guess, he's like, he mentioned something about replicating it. It's like, and replicates it. It's such a good reaction, sorry, sorry. Sorry for bringing that up. Just the idea of like, Gatcha NFTs, It's just like that scares me so much. Don't tell them that gone.

Yeah, you just gave them an idea now. Every gadget company's like, all I'm saying is garchia companies don't make enough money. I think they make it. I think they make more than enough. That was a sarcastic joke right there. Just just so, just so that was like S-S up. Gant got into fucking fate

and their quarterly revenue went up. Yeah, exactly. Do you play any Gatchez or any of those games? No, no, no. Thank God. Thank God, Case. Thank God. You're a real one.

Yeah, you don't need to fall into that hell hole. What's your addiction if you have one of any sort? What are you, what are you entering? My addiction? Yeah. Let me think. Other than Adidas. Okay.

Yeah. That's not an addiction, that's a lifestyle. That's a strip. Adidas squat. See my costume has Adidas lines in it. Does it really? Oh, yeah. Look, look, look.

Oh yeah. Oh yeah. Yeah. I can't say that about this. Sure, what's your, your passion then? What are you, any games or anything that you're super addicted to? Super addicted to, let me think.

As long as it's not gacha, that's a word. Streaming. Yeah, I'm addicted to streaming, of course. Right. I'm a full-time streamer, so yes, but right now, I'm addicted to Far Cry. Oh, really? Okay.

Which one, the new one? Right now I'm playing Far Cry Five. Oh, are you going through them all? Yeah, yeah. Oh, okay, okay. I heard they get like worse and worse as they go on. Okay?

I heard like, I don't know, I don't know. I've only played three, I think. Yeah. Was that the good one? I think three is the good one. I enjoyed it. I enjoy playing three. What's your favorite Far Cry so far? I've only played five.

I just started. Oh, oh, yeah. Oh, you've only played Far Cry five. Yeah, I started from Far Cry. Well, she's already just did the Far Cryfax. I thought she played like Far Cryved 1 to play. Yeah, yeah, that's what I thought. All right.

Being lied to. God damn. It's Far Cryve 5 the good one or the... I didn't play Farquatic. I don't think Metacritic likes it, but you know. Is that the one with like... The rednecks. Oh, no. I just, I just know the one with like Gus.

That's the new one, six. Okay. So that's... Gus Frame. He's the meme of, we're not the same. I can't answer that new guy. Yeah. You don't know, from Breaking Bad, have you? You haven't seen Breaking Bad, have you?

No. Do you watch Breaking Bad? I've never seen it before. Oh my God. I only know that we are not the same meme. Okay, I gotta like it. Netflix, go on. So you've been playing Far Cry, and then you also,

we played Minecraft? Oh, yeah, I have my own server. I just started it. I did. I'm playing with my friends. Well, thank you for telling me on my server. I'm not going to say sorry for that. That was like top ten enemy between us.

I was invisible to be fair. I will, you know, I'll give you the benefit of the doubt. And then you went and killed yourself anyway, like two minutes, so it was okay. I think it was all right. I think it was revenge was well served by yourself. But Minecraft is pretty fun. I enjoy Minecraft.

Joey's a Minecraft expert. No, I'm not. He is, he's an expert. I just tried to get you into it. He's an expert. I opened the door for you. So you'd never played Minecraft before you no, yeah, yeah.

I really wanna get into it. The first time played Minecraft was with me in the old studio. Oh. Yeah. Are you liking my, how many times you played Minecraft now? How many? Um, I just started. Um, I'm just a beginner.

I don't know how- It's really overwhelming, right? Yeah. There's so much to do. Is it fun? Yeah. So, what? It's a simple question.

Can I not ask it, Joe? I don't know, it's just like, it's the most boomer thing. I just, I just, I just, I just, I never craft thing. I never played it before, okay? I want mining, I want to ask for the gamer

if it is fun or not. It depends what you'd like to do. Luckily, Minecraft is varied so you can do what you want. Now, I, on the server, on the V-Shodjo server, which I played on, they were just all building things. I didn't want to build things. Lighthouses and like, yeah, I wanted,

I wanted to go and, like, do the raids. Because there's like, I wanna do a, I wanna have a goal. That's the biggest thing. Yeah, well, there's like, there's like bosses and raids in this modded one. Yeah.

And so I wanted to just go and explore and kill things and level up. That's a good thing about Minecraft, right? You can do whatever you want. Your imagination is the limit. You can code in Minecraft? Can you actually?

Yeah, there's Redstone and you can code with it. Yeah, there's a dude who made a fully functioning computer in Minecraft. What? Yeah, yeah, they made Pokemon as well with Minecraft. Yeah, they programmed Pokemon into the game. They made a working cell phone, remember? I think it was a promotion with AT&T or something.

Something like that, yeah. At least one of their phones works, because normally it doesn't work. They're like, they code, I think it was something, like they coded it into the game so that when you put on a webcam, right, the blocks. Oh, yeah.

according to the webcam like pixels, but it's all programmed in the game. Yeah, it's really cool. It's something like that. It's pretty fun. When you get into it and you start to understand a bit more about the game, it gets more fun. I think you'll enjoy it.

Whoa. And then if you get bored, just go creative mode and just do whatever the fuck you want, right? It's a camera thing with mod, does that work with mod? Ooh, I don't know. I don't know if that's a publicly available mod. It might have been like a one-off.

It might have been a one-off thing, yeah. I think it was a Captain Sporkels. Something like that, yeah. It's one of the big Minecraft YouTubers. I feel sad that I missed the Minecraft boom in some ways. It'll come back. I mean, it's kind of booming now. It's not even boom right now.

It just kind of does this right now. It had like, we missed, now we're booming with content. Before, it used to be just songs and shit. And that was so funny. Those songs were great. Oh, yeah, yeah, I love those. Terrible. I mean, I feel like every time it dies, it comes back

with the Benjured. It comes back even stronger. And like, I feel like, we're like Goku. Yeah. Oh my fucking God, Joey. All right, I filled my anime quarter for the episode. Let's move on. Jerry's mentioned anime, we're doing.

So, NFTs. Okay. Proving that I am the anime man, where you know, every so often. But it does come back, God, you're all right. It does come back, yeah. Are you a big anime fan? Um, yeah, I think I am.

Oh, I think you are? You're talking to the anime man. Yeah, because the anime man is in front of me so I can't say that. He doesn't watch any anime. The title still stands. The title still stands. I've said every anime on a video so.

The title of it is enough. I don't eat in the one. I have actually named every anime. He's like ascended now. The title alone scares people. Exactly. What kind of anime do you like that? Yeah, what are you into?

I grew up with Dragon Ball. Of course, I love Goku. Yeah. I can do Gohan's voice. Oh, really? Yeah, barely dead Gohan. So to explain, this is the Japanese voice, yeah.

How did you? Because the Western Gohan sounds very different. What made you want to learn this skill? Oh, I didn't learn it. Some viewer told me that I sound like, barely dead Gohan. Just go for it. I mean, yeah.

It's good at it. It sounds pretty strong. I practiced in, I'm a pro at barely dead You almost kind of sound like barely dead Goku as well. Oh yeah. Yeah, because it's pretty much the same voice. Yeah, because it's kind of called the market. Gohan and Goku in a Japanese dub do sound very, very similar.

Yeah. I mean, they are father. I don't know the difference. I don't know the difference. What, of Gohan and Goku? Yeah. Gohan's like, Gohan's basically that.

But you just said, Ah, I'm a father, I am a daughter. I don't know anything about that anymore. And Google is like, Yeah. Do you hear the difference? It's a very subtle difference. There are only Dragon Ball fans.

Corporate needs to tell you the difference. Corporate needs to find a difference between these two sounds. Between dying Gohan and dying Goku. Wait, let's just rewind back a bit. You say you don't know Dragon Ball? No. What? Wait, what do you mean?

Have you ever watched or? No, never watched it, read it, played it. So you only know it through osmosis? Yeah. I know that they do their art. Can I have my heart? Oh my god! I think my dad might know more about Dragon Ball than you do.

I know the Spirit Bomb. Yeah, that's another one. I know the Hadruk, no, no, I'm kidding. Sure do you can? Sure do you can, right? That's it. I've never felt such a bigger generation gap than now. Oh my God.

Okay, so like, how many of like the side characters and like their laws do you know or anything like that? You know Vegeta, right? I know Vigita, right? I know Vigida, I know Piccolo. Do you know who Vigita marries? Bulma? Yeah.

Okay. That's just from like people on Twitter, like role-playing it, and I'm like, what the fuck is this? And do you know what their kid's name is? Zanzirot. Zanzirot. Oh my God.

Luffy. Luffy is a Louvie. What's the kid called? Trunks? I know trunks. I know trunks. I didn't know that was his kid. Yeah.

I know trunks because he's a guy who wanted to look like trunks and he like dresses up. And I saw that video. Yeah, he looks like, have you seen this video? He looks like, have you seen this video? It's a guy who wants to look like trunks in the US, I think. Yeah, and then he like, he does look like trunks, to be fair. But to be fair, like he, like, plastic surgery?

Yeah, so he gets like plastic surgery and he also like colors his hair purple. It's really bizarre. But he's also like jacked as shit. Yeah, I mean, whatever makes you happy. So he like looks like a real life trunks. It's pretty cool. I mean, he seems like he's killing it. Yeah.

As long as you're not hurting anyone, as long as he happy. Imagine boo? Oh yeah. That would've been really embarrassing if I got that wrong. Do you know the villain that comes before? Marginboos? Yes.

I'm just realizing every fucking Dragon Ball reference I've made during the last two years, you've just smiled. No, no, no, no. It's been an entirely- No, no. Our friendship is based on a lot. I know.

He's in obsession with Drip Goku, why. Listen, Drip Goku has nothing to do with Goku. Kahn has probably like, oh yeah, I love that episode where he puts on the Supreme. I love it when he puts on the Supreme Jack. It's the favorite episode ever. Are you aware of this meme, the drip Goku meme? Oh yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

I actually have the jacket. I didn't bring it with me today though, unfortunately. I think guys out on Twitter. Hell yeah. I should have brought it with you, you could have been Drift. Oh, I wanted to drill. Oh my God. She's on the Adidas strip.

Yeah, she's already got another. Brand loyalty. Brand loyalty. Um, I know the villain name. I know him, the one who looks like a budget MUTU. Oh, that's it. No, they're talking about Friesa.

A freezer, that's it. That's it, Freezer. He's a budget MUTTA! I can't believe! He looks like a budget MUTU! I'm pretty sure Friza came before MUTU. Did he? Yes, gosh.

Which one's Frizer? Freezer is budget MUTU, according to that. Oh, okay, right. But Friza definitely came before MUTU. So MUTU is the budget freezer. Oh, shit. You're right. Yeah.

Fucked up. See, I understand Dragon Ball references, because I've been in the Otaku anime sphere long enough, where I understand Dragon Ball reference and I'm like, laugh now. Well, you can't like name like any story portion or anything like that. Sometimes I'll make a joke being like, oh my God, this is so long, it's like a Dragon Ball fights, you know, it's going on. People will be like, oh, that's so real, Connoose Dragon. It's like that one time where... Real shit.

Vigida and Goku were fighting for like 20 episodes. That did happen. Yeah, exactly, right? See? Yeah, yeah. It's easy enough to figure out. out what Dragon Ball fans like. To be fair though, that was probably one of the shorter facts.

It's like if you let me go in the zoo, I'm sure I could fit in with the monkeys after 20 minutes of watching. Oh yeah, yeah, yeah. It's like that. What do you use that analogy? I'm sorry, I just wanted to take a jab at Dragon Ball fan. Just assimilate.

That's what you were taking a jabber yourself? No, no, no, no, no. Getting off Dragon Ball though, is there any other animas that you like as well? Natu-Dot. Of course, of course. So you love Fortnite? Oh! That's, how do you feel about that?

That's my favorite Fortnite character. He loved him in Fortnite. Why the fuck did they do that? I mean, Kishimoto'san. Why did you say yes to that? It's so fucking hilarious and I love it. I think what happened is he saw where Boruto was going and he's just like, I've lost all hopes of this franchise.

I have to revive it somehow. Hey, to be fair, watching him do like the signs, I don't know what they called. The Jutsu's? Jutsu's and then just pull out a gun. There's something really funny about that. I think we call that Rossin gun. Yeah, right.

Just did the hand thing and whipped out an AK. It's like, what the fuck? And then the Fortnite dance. It was like a fever dream the first time I watched that. I think it was seeing Saske do the Fortnite dance that just really like killed my fucking childhood. That's the, it wasn't the gun, it was the Fortnite dance. And I'm just like, yeah.

It's just Kikashi flossing. It's only a amount of time before we get Tanjiro doing it. And I'm just like, this is this, this is what Itachi died for, this? This is just like fucking Saskei doing the Fortnite dance. I'm just, I'm done. What are the animas you're into? It seems like you're into like the classic.

Yeah, I mean the classic ones and, of course, Kimetsu, Kimetsu and... That's how you fit it in Japan. I've realized if I want to fit in with any Japanese person, I'm like, oh, Kimetsu. Yeah, I love Kimetsu. And they're like, oh, I know that! I know that!

I love that one. Yes, I too know water. It's like Kimetsu, One Piece, and Jojo. If you say those, more so Kimetsu and One Piece, I'd say. Jojo sometimes people are like, what's that? Yeah, Jojo is like a specific demographic, whereas Kimets is just everyone. Every single, even if they're like 80, 90 years old,

they know Kimetsu, Yibor, and they've watched it. Yeah. And Jiu Tzu Kaysen, weirdly now, actually. Yeah, Jiu-Sikaisen is pretty popular. Yeah, weirdly so. Yeah. Did you like Jiu-Sikis-Kyson? I loved it.

I thought it was so good. I thought it was like just okay. I don't know, oh my, here it is with Joey. I don't know, like, I don't know, she's a little too popular. No, no, no, no, no, it's not even that. It's like, I thought, I'm Joey's sight with it. It's like, it had everything that I thought I was going to like. But then the end result was just kind of like, what?

Underwhelming? I don't know. What did you, where, where, before we, before we start comparing, what did you think of Demon Slayer then? I thought Demon Slayer was good. Do you think it's on the same level? I think Kimetsu is better than Jesus Kaysen, personally. Hold in my time.

Right? Yeah. Do you agree? Yeah. What did you think was not good about Jiu-Sikaisen? It's too complicated. What? No.

Oh, it wasn't even though. What was it for you, Jay? I understood everything. Tell me your argument. I don't know. It just kind of had every trope that we've already seen. That's just demon slayer. That's literally a Giamets.

I felt like it did the tropes the best. That's what made it stand out, is that it took the tropes. And it did some other things that are interesting as well. And it just did it just did it. I'm not saying it was a bad show. I enjoyed the show. I just don't think it's as good as people say it is.

I think it deserves the hype way more than Demon's Ladders. Bro, watching Jiu-Zitsu Kaysen and then watching something like My Hero Academia, it's like going from a five, it's like going from a five-course meal to like a plain cracker. Oh dude, I would watch Jutsu over My Hero any day. To be honest. Do you like Myrata Academy? Um, better than Jiu-Jutsu Kaitem.

Oh, really. See, the different opinions. You know, I really regret inviting you right now. They're flying around. We can't agree on anything. I didn't think I'd get passionate about anime today because it's trash taste, but I'm getting passionate about anime today.

This is like the, is Fortnite overrated conversation. This is literally that conversation. Like we're talking about our anime overrated. Fucking hell, I hate my life. Did you watch Arcane? No, I don't know that. Watch Arcane.

Oh, thank God. Okay. Please, it's so good. It's so good. Please watch it, please watch it. But we all agree that One Piece is the best, right? Yes, we all have watched one. Yes.

Have you watched one piece right? You read it, watched it, read it, watched it. I read it, um, I know. How far did you get? This is like when my mom asked me if I studied. Sanji joined. Sanji joined and that's the end of my journey. Sanji joined.

That's like chapter 20. Hell yeah, we're on the same page. That's not even the epilogue. I mean, yeah, that's not even prologue. I've read zero chapters. But you're going to, right? I am going to. Yeah, yeah.

Again, I've only watched the four kids. version. I'm sorry. And again, I think I've mentioned it before, the stuff I remember. Tell me when you start reading it and I will also re-read from where I am. So that we can all be up to speed.

I always get curious, do you watch, like, and play stuff that your stream basically recommends? Because I notice, working in the field, I get, you know, some of the recommendations I get of what to watch and play, basically just come from my audience. So I'm wondering, is that how you guys,

not just to K-SOM, but is that how you guys basically choose what media is consume nowadays as well? I'd say mostly yes, yeah. Yeah. Because I don't get any information from other friends. They're just, they never leave home. They don't know anything.

They don't watch TV. Are they in prison? I mean, I guess you've got to like follow your audience to some capacity, right? Because you know, you are, I guess, performing, quote unquote, too, though. When you're on stream stuff out. Do you get a lot of free time?

Because we've had previous V-Tube was on before. She's a streamer, of course she does. I do nothing. You sounded so happy about that. That's not so sad. Otaku Dream, right? Yeah. Just doing nothing.

Just do nothing. Just do nothing. You know, initially with V-tubing, what made you want to go for that, was it purely just for the not wanting to put makeup on? Or was there something about it that you kind of, we were kind of leaning towards with the whole V-tubing that made you want to go for it in the first place?

I thought, well, I just thought V-tubing was cool. Right. It looked like it's gonna make some movement or something like that. I thought about so money. I thought like a money. Yeah, money. Yeah, like that. Did you have like any streamers that kind of inspired you

to start V-tubing in the first place? Of course, Kizuna Ai-san. She was so inspiring. Did you guys watch the Backstreet Boys, that movie of Kizuna Ai-chan, thinking that, Everybody, yeah. Are you serious? That was the one that got me into V-Tubing stuff.

Really? Yeah. Wait, so what is it? That was an MMD, though, was it? Yeah, I thought so. Yeah, yeah, I didn't know if it was V-Tubing or M-M-D, but it felt like the animation. It's kind of like a V-tubing.

So the backstreet boys got you into V-tubing? Um, not like that, but... That's a good sentence, I think. That's like the domino, that's like the domino image, right? Backstreet Boys, Kason becomes a V-tuber. The whole V-tubing industry. Backstreet Boys. Yeah, yeah.

Justin Timmer. It was like, like, Mnathy models of his not I, that's sag backstreet. That's, that was a good point. Hold on, did you just say, I did, I did say Justin Timberlake. That's NSing. Oh my fuck, bruh. Yeah, Justin Timberlake is NSYNC, not backstreet boys. I made a mistake.

It's all right. So like before you started streaming on YouTube, were you mainly on YouTube, like watching stuff on YouTube? Or were you on like Niko Niko as well? And other Japanese sites. I was on Niko Niko Niko, I didn't know much about YouTube because I didn't watch it. I just didn't find any.

content interesting for me. Yeah. And now, but, um, what's the Niko Niko community like? Because people, people, a lot of people who, you know, obviously can't speak Japanese and especially the international audience. To me, it feels like it's its own very tight-knit community with its own culture and everything like that.

But for me, it was like the only platform I knew. Right. So, so, like, you're just like, the perception of the internet was just like, Nico Nico for you, right? Yeah. Yeah. I feel it was like that, though, because like, I, I used to be on Nico Nico as well when I was in high school

and it's like, they have their own memes that just like never leave Nico Nico. So were you watching Nico Nico from like high school? I was watching Nikoniko. I started watching when I was in college. And yeah, I think I was in college. Right. Because my dad, my parents never,

they never let me play games. They were like, Oh. Yeah, they. Like super strict. Super strict about it. They were like, games make you stupid.

Don't you ever do that. Those kind of parents, my parents were like that. Did they let you watch anime? No, never. Wait, wait, so what did you do in your free time as a kid? I was hiding under my bed and reading Dragon Ball. The true delinquent.

The delinquency started from such a young age. Of course. Because when they say, Not to do it. You wanna do it. Of course. Yeah, of course, of course. And now, look what I'm doing, Daddy, Mommy.

I'm playing games. I'm playing games and talking about Dragon Ball. And now I am anime. Goes full circle. Yeah. So you were watching it in college and then when did you think, oh man, I kinda wanna join on this? That's what, when I started working,

one of my colleagues, were like he talked to me like how do you like games and like he started talking about games and we became good friends because I was really interested in games because I started to make money myself

and I was buying a lot of games that I was living by myself so there was no one to stop me so I was like buying a lot of games playing it and enjoying it and my colleague was like, there are like streamers playing games online. You do watch it and I got interested in it and I started watching it.

And then he said like, I want to stream like them. How about we do it together? Right. Yeah, he suggested like, let's do the streaming stuff together. We end up never doing it together because he said it, he, I don't know, he just disappeared. He quit job at it. Like, oh, I don't know.

Excuse me, he got me into this. I want to do it, still do it with you, but he just disappeared. So, okay, I would do it myself. And I started making movies. It was like just recording it and just cutting the end. It was something like that.

You mean, let's plays. Yeah, the let's play. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. Okay. And I started like posting it on Nico Nico. And that was my start. It was like 2017. So you had a job before you were doing this

and you were doing the job while you were posting this stuff as well? Yeah. Am I allowed to ask what you did before or? I was working. Let's keep it a secret. I was working hard. I was on that grind.

And in a job where, colleagues disappear. Yeah. Yeah. The delinquent life has been strong with this. Yeah. So how long are you posting Let's Place for then?

For, for like three years, I think. Oh wow. And was that with like, did it ever pick up or was it like just not that many viewers about the whole time? Um, it, my first, very first video that I posted on Nico Nico, Nicole, came viral.

What? What? The very first one. What did you do? Okay, wait, wait. I need to ask, what is viral Niko Niko? Niko on Viro, it means, like, there's a ranking in Niko Niko Niko Niko.

You guys know Niko Niko rankings? Yeah, yeah, yeah. Like that. There was a Let's Play ranking, and it was like, ranking one to five was mine. Oh, wow. It's basically like, I think it's weekly or monthly, something like that?

Yeah, so basically, like, at the front page of Niko Niko, there's like a ranking for like the top videos for this week or the top videos for this month and then they just have links that's like their algorithm. What was so special about this video? I don't honestly.

Like I imagine if it's your first video it's probably bad. It's super bad. So like what? She was just born to be a stream. What made it like go like in the like blow up? I don't know. The first very first video that I posted

was me struggling with Japanese but trying to play it in Japanese. and the first one I was playing the game Siren. You guys know Siren? Oh, Fatal Frame. No, not fatal. Is it? No, no.

Is it a horror game? No, it's a different one, right? Yeah. It's like Fatal Frame, though. And is it just you raging at the Japanese? Yeah. I could see why that would do well, actually. Yeah.

I can see what that would do. And there were no, I think no one did that before, so. Yeah. And you did that for three years? And it just kept growing? I. I wasn't like constantly doing that. I was like throwing videos on Niko Niko

and like do nothing for half a year. Just disappear. Just disappear. Kind of like going. I relate to that. That's what I did. Yeah, that's what I did for the first three years. I just throw the video to Niko Niko and do nothing

towards some more do nothing. I feel like it's pretty rare on Niko Niko Niko for there to be like content creators that constantly produce because there's no money, right? You don't make money on you go. Nothing. So people just, for the clout. Yeah.

Just people just do it because they wanna make some shit. Yeah. They're just passionate in the content. Fuck, bro. Could you imagine? It's the biggest crime alive. Doing some for free. Hell, no, not in this economy.

Yeah, honestly, like, I've seen, like, sometimes you see Nukukukukukkah content that gets like, you know, that gets reposted on YouTube and it's absolutely fucking insane some of the content. Dude, some of the edits are just like, ridiculous.

Yeah. Yeah. Like seeing some of the like the mad edits like during the peak of the AMV years where you know you thought there was some like mad talented AMV editors, which there are. And then out of nowhere you just get this like mad like clip that just got posted from Niko Nuko.

And it was just fucking insane what they were doing compared to what you know what you could see on YouTube. I mean you know like all the vocaloid producers used to upload their shit on Niko Niko for free. It started from there. Yeah, it all started from there. And they just did it not because they were making money. of it just because they were like,

I made this song, check it out. Check it out. How do you feel? Do you imagine? It's way easier when I was, I started in university, and I did it for fun. That's because in the university, you haven't got bills to pay.

Right, exactly. The loans are paying your bills. Right, exactly. You have spare time as well, right? Yeah, yeah, yeah. The extra time is ours, it's fair. So when did you like transfer over to YouTube and what made you transfer over platforms

to YouTube in the first place? Well, the viewers like, um, told me that there were like it would be easy to watch it on YouTube than Nikoniko. They just told me that so, okay, then I'll do it on YouTube. And it felt like it was more easier for me to stream on YouTube. Because to stream on Nikoniko, it's kind of like complicated. You have to put all those softwares in your PC. And it was so complicated for me.

And it felt like it was really easy for me to do it on YouTube. So I just went to YouTube. I think it's also because the Niko Niko system just hasn't changed at all. Everything looks like it's like on live leak on Niko Nika. Yeah, yeah. The quality is like, you don't wanna know. Okay, you don't want to know.

Yeah, you don't want to know what that is. Yeah. I remember before, like I would, you know, I'd heard about Niko Niko Niko, you'd hear about this mythical website that all the Japanese people use called Niko Niko and I just, you know, I remember trying to watch some videos on it

and even just like watching a video, you know, with YouTube or basically any, like Western's video hosting website, all you need to do is just go on the site, search up a video, click on the video, and you can watch the video. So I remember clicking on some Nika Nika links,

and you have to sign up to a special account just to watch videos or something like that. If you don't have an account on Niko Nika, you can't watch anything. Yeah. Yeah. And then I remember, like, I couldn't understand

what all this, like, text flying across the screen was. I was just like, what is this? This is ruining my viewing experience. It's like, I can't see anything. This is blocking the content. Well, how are people watching this right now? Yeah, whenever you watch like speed running, summoning salt videos, whenever they're runners from Japan,

you go on Nico Nico and you can just see that like, all the comments. Yeah, all the things flying across the screen. Exactly, exactly. Oh my God. I remember one time, I can't, yeah, I think it was on Nico Niko where one of the Madoka episodes got streamed on Niko Niko and I didn't know,

I didn't know how to figure out how to like turn off the comments. Yeah. So basically, whenever, whenever anyone quoted something big, whenever Modoka would say a line, you'd see like a line of comments just like quoting the episode before she said it, right? So it was literally like, you know, that movie experience where you're sitting next to someone

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Have you watched, Joe, Joe? It's my passion, my love in life. I'm afraid to say, no. Cancel the episode. Cancel it. Mood on end the episode. You dare sit behind and call yourself a delinquent when Jojo practically invented delinquents, I'm pretty sure.

Before Jojo, there was no delinquents. Before Josque, bro. Pay your respect. The god of delinquents, Joseph. He's not going to have much of delinquents. a very nice guy and helps the community out, so he's hardly a lingwood. No, I'm kidding.

I think you would love it though. I think you'd like it a lot. Oh, wait, wait, wait. Can I ask you this? Is Kishibe Rohan a part of Jojo? Yes, indeed. He's in part four. How'd you know about Kishibe Rohan?

I've seen that before. I've read that Kishi-Bohan comics. I know that part. Oh, the immovable Kishba-Rohan. Yeah, but I didn't know it was Joe's. You watched the spin-off? It's a spin-off. It's a spin-off.

That's like watching the like, Jar Jajabin's, like, web comic instead of watching Star Wars. It's like watching the Star Wars Christmas special before Star Wars. You know, I've heard of people skipping past. That's a whole new thing. Start with the Rohan Kishabay.

I've heard of skipping pass, which is meant to be the biggest sin to any Jojo fans. What level do we put just starting with the side story? You must have been, were you not confused? No. Because that spin-off is confusing even for fans

because the episodes aren't in the correct order. Characters just turn up as well. Like we know from prior, did you like it? I really liked it. You'll love JoJo! Then you should go and watch proper, like, but not the spin-off Jojo. I can't believe.

I can't look you in the eye right now. Are I gonna get killed after this? No, I'm just disappointed, Kays on. I'm just disappointed. Something about your energy, though, says that I think you'll really become a Jojo fan. If you love the Rohan Kishibai one, you will love Jojo. Yeah.

Because Ron Kishabai is just Jojo. Wait, wait. Jojo has like booze, right? Ichibu, ni boo. I thought they said boobs, that. Yeah. I was like, some of that. Sekela Joseph?

Six, I guess. Yeah, yeah, so it's split up into parts and then each of the different parts of different protagonists. They're different main character. But Kishibai Rohan's not a protagonist. Oh, it's not. No, he's just a side-on character.

He's like an important side character. Very important. He's a side character that everyone loves. Yeah. It's a side character, but he's not in any of the, Ichibu, ni bu, any of the... He's in Yonbub. He's in Yonbu.

So I started from Yonbu. Kind of, yeah. Kind of, yeah. Oh, my God. In the middle. In the middle. Yeah, yeah. Yeah.

Is that a sin? God Conner. I'm not pleased that you started there. How did you even start there? How did you even start there? How did that happen? Netflix? No.

Um, I, I just, um, I just, I read the jump comics. Oh, okay, okay. Okay, that makes a little, I thought, makes a little more sense. That's wise to happen. Understandable, have a nice day. I will.

Now you can go. Understandable but unforgivable. Oh my God, I wish I could have watched you reading it just to see like how confused you must have been. What the fuck is going on. But I enjoyed it. It's fun. I mean, I really like that little Hunky Shibair.

It's a great side story. The anime is amazing as well. Yeah. I gotta say, my favorite one, did you read all of the Rang Gidja Bay OVAs? Or just some of them? Side story. Side stories.

I don't know, I don't know. There's one, okay, okay, tell me if this sounds familiar, tell me this sounds familiar, he goes to a gym and there's a guy who he's running with at the gym. Oh yeah. Have you read this one? No, so, god damn much.

I love that one, yeah. It's just like, I don't even know how to explain it. He just goes to the gym and starts racing against a guy, who then wants to then beat him. Wait, wait, I know that. Right, right, right, right. It's so good. This is like one of the, this is,

this does not get memed enough, this with, it's like peak Jojo. Yeah. Have you seen it? Yeah. It's so good. And then the guy's just obsessed with protein and then like, oh my God, it's just so good. I love it. Please watch the Rohan OVA's if you like Jojo.

You'll love it. Just watch Jojo in general, just watch Joe. It's amazing. It's amazing. Yeah, it's bad. I'll start, okay. But I'll tell you the order you have to watch it in, so you start with one.

And then you go two. And then two. And then you go three. And three. And then you go four. And then you can watch the law. Okay, Kaysaw's already broken that. So yeah, that's true.

Rohan Kishabai's side story. Then part nine, probably. No, probably. First chapter of part nine. All right, so you haven't watched shows here. What are you currently into that? What are you doing in no-no? I'm into Gundam right now.

Ooh. Didn't expect that. I'm like gunnum. Like Gumpla and stuff? Yeah, Gumpla. I started making Gumpla stuff. I'm doing a Gumpla making. and it's really fun.

It's a rich man's hobby. What's your favorite Gundam? My favorite Gundam? I'm a fan of a Tarn A. Oh, Tern A Gundam. Yes. I like, I understand. I like the metal orphans one.

Yes. You mean the metal? You mean the Involve? I don't know anything about Gundam. I'm so sorry. I like the metal hemoglobin Kimoobin orphan.

I don't know anything about Gundam. I'm just again pretending. I think we're all pretending. Because the only Gundams I've seen, unfortunately are like the mainstream Gundams, like Wing and, like Wing, double-o. Gundam C, which all Gundam fans want to forget. Have you been a fan of Gundam for a long time

or is it just recently going to it? Oh, okay. What made you get into it? Um, first of all, it was Gumpla. I love making stuff. I, um, I, cosplay, yeah. Yeah, cosplay, yeah, everything. I love sewing, I love making little stuff.

And it began like, um, making Gundam. It, I got into it, I don't know, because I had time, I'm a streamer. To be fair, it is like perfect streamer contest. Well, it's like a just chatting stream with something to distract you. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. I definitely wanna, yeah,

because like, I really wanted to get into it as well, but I'd know so little about the Gumpel world that I didn't even know where to start. Yeah, you didn't even know about the grades. I didn't even know about the grades. I just know that. Yeah. There's, there's HG.

Yeah. Is it high grade? I think it's, it stands for high grade. And these are all on the boxes? It's on it. I didn't know this. Why has no one told me this? Me neither.

HG for beginners, so I'm starting from HG. And 4K, 4K. I just recently made RG, which is, real grade. Is it a real? Real grade. Real grade. And on top of that, there's MG.

Is this the imperial system or something? Wait, so perfect grade? The Creed isn't the top. I can't remember. Oh, wait. Perfect grade was the top. Perfect grade on top of MG, Master grade. We've got tier list motherfucker.

And then PG is Predator Grade. Oh yeah, I get into it. The only reason I know about Gunplah is mostly through my editor, Alan, who's also a big Mecca fan. He is obsessed with Gunn one. Big Gundam fan as well. I've built a few Gunplah in my life. I built a code gears one?

Huh? You built a code kiosk gunplah? Yeah. Actually, do you wanna know how I start off discovering gunplah? So my cousin, like, because here's the thing, Gunplah and Gundam and Mecca in general was like super, super massive in Southeast Asia. And I know a lot of people who actually,

like they don't even know Gundam, but they build Gunplah, right? Because they're just a massive fan of Gunplah as opposed. Yeah, I think that's me right now. Yeah, yeah, exactly, right? Yeah, I don't much much. The gunplas are more appealing than the show for me. So I remember, every time I'd go to my cousin's house,

and if you've been watching trash chase, this was the cousin that showed me scary movies when I was a kid. Right, right. So he's basically my older brother. But I remember every time I'd go to his house, he had this room and he had this cabinet, right? That was just basically just gunplah. It was all gunplah.

And that's how I knew what gunplah was, right? So I didn't know yet to build it. So be me. I'm like five, six year old. see a cabinet full of giant robots. What do I think? They're toys. Yeah.

So, so, so. That's not on six short can't. That's not on. Okay, so the first time, the first time, I think the first time I remember going to that room, he like, he like goes to the toilet or something, but mom calls him,

I don't remember, but he leaves me alone in that room for like a good, you know, 15, 20 minutes. So what do I do? Um, I wanna start playing with the toys. Oh. So. So, so I didn't know, I thought,

Pain Olympics. Yeah, so this is like, I'm describing the Pain Olympics now, so I see them all on the shelf and I grab two, I grabbed two off the shelf. And they start fighting, right? And then of course, they're giant robots in my hand. What are they gonna do? They're gonna start fucking fighting.

So I start going, Posh, push, push! Because I think they're fucking transformers or something, right? You know? You know, exactly like the BBC. But like, yeah, of course. So, so I started playing around with them. Things start flying off.

I think like the fucking laser sword breaks. I don't fucking know. I'm like six year old. And like when my cousin comes in, he was literally, he literally had a bottle of water in hand. He drops it. It was like, you know that scene in a movie where like the person sees something

and they dropped the coffee? He actually just fucking did that. And I didn't know he was in the room until I heard the water bottle dropping. Falls in slow motion. Yeah. Oh, no. And this is the only time

I think he's ever shouted at me in my life. I don't blame him for that. Yeah, I mean, I think that's when he's like started showing me scary movies, because it's like, he's gonna get back somehow. He's gotta get me back somehow. It's just like that scene in community when he walks in with the pizzas

and the whole place is on fire. So is what. Man, I guess Gumpel are kind of like sophisticated Legos in some ways, right? Kind of, yeah. It's like really difficult Lego. It's like IRL Minecraft. Yeah.

Like, you know, you think about it. The way I think about it is that, you know, the mini, Poo-Wim, weem? You know the Minnie the Poo meme with the one where- Minnie the Poo? M-I-The-Poo! Fog my brain.

Winnie the Poo meme. Yeah. The one with a, like, he's in a suit. It's on Legos. Yeah. Gumpla. Gunplah. Gunplah.

I know, I'm no Gondola fans gonna be pissed off you're saying of the Legos. How dare you compare? They're fucking Legos. How dare you compare? I had these things with, like, did you guys ever have these things called like, Macano?

Yeah. I had Bionicle. Shout out to Bionicle for Bionicle. Yeah, but that's Bionicle. So there was like, it was like Lego, and then you move on to Bionicle, which is like, kind of difficult Lego. Oh, Bionicle like, and then McConnell introduces like screws.

Oh, I think I remember this. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, and like metal parts. And then you can build like tanks and shit out of it. Screw the parts together? Yeah, yeah, yeah. So it's like, instead of Lego that just kind of like fit together, you get like small screws and like little hooks and stuff like that and you like actually screw it in.

And then on top of that is Gompla. That's in my head. That's like the difficulty spike, I feel. So now that I've like, I like spent my childhood playing Macana. I'm like, I'm ready for the next step. Do you ever get stressed out building it when you're trying to like fit a piece together

that feels like it shouldn't be going together, but the guide is like, no, no, no, you put that piece together and you feel like you're gonna break something. I always get so nervous around that. When I'm building Gumpla, it's like zen to me. I feel like you need to be. Yeah.

Yeah. I get too stressed out. No, no, no, no, no. It's very therapeutic. It's like doing a jigsaw puzzle, I feel. It's like, you need to be. You gotta be in Zen mode, otherwise you're just gonna rage.

We did a race of a Gumpler. Yeah, that wasn't, that wasn't fun, you know. Speed running Gumpla's not fun. We did a speed run of Gumpel. Yeah, it wasn't gunfire, we were building Asana from Sword Art Online. It was like a figure making. It was like a model, yeah.

It was still a model kit, but yeah, that wasn't fun. That wasn't, yeah. When you add a relaxing activity and put a time limit on it, it just suddenly, it doesn't become relaxing anymore, what can I say? That's why you rarely see like jigsaw puzzle speed runs

just because it would be so fucking. That sounds fun, we should have that. That's so stress inducing. I mean, I'd love to do it, but that sounds like an amazing idea. Yeah. Jigsaw puzzle speed run. I bet there's like, there's strats we haven't developed yet because we're just too afraid.

Everyone's just like, oh yeah, just find the corners. There must be a way to like optimize it more. No, you know. Speed runners, come on, get on it, get on it. Yeah, come on. What are the strats? Oh my, you're a big jigsaw puzzle. I love Jigsaw puzzles.

Oh my God. Have you ever met anyone who said, I fucking hate Jigsaw puzzles? Never met any of that. They've never met anyone who loves them. They're just clearly not very polarizing. I mean, it's a fucking piece of cardboard that you stick together, like.

What's not to like? I guess if you break it down, fun of the other things. It's like, it's like, does anyone have any angry feelings towards like Connect Four? It's like, no, it's like, it's Connect Four. No one feels strongly about it or against it. Sure, people who are. I shit at Connect 4.

Yeah, probably. How are you shit a Connect 4? It's not hard. Thank you, Ashley. I'll tell us to the people we keep losing a Connect 4. What about, okay, what are Norton Crosses? What do you call it in Australia?

What do you call it? Tick, Taktor. Tick, Tick Takeda. Tick Toc. I call Norton crosses in the UK. Norton crosses. Norton crosses. No, it's like Gauts and Crosses.

It's like, Norton Crosses. Norton crosses. What? I mean, it's like, well, I'm sure Tick Taktel and Norton crosses is like stress inducing to people who are shit at it. No, it's like when you play that one dude who clearly just knows the winning strat.

And we'll just go for the middle. And we'll just beat you every time. You know, then it's like, then I can start to see people being like, fuck this. Even though it's fundamentally just a bunch of lines on a piece of paper, right? Still be stressing, juicy.

Why are we talking about this? I can't remember. I don't know where we got on this. Yeah, going back to Gunpla. So what is your favorite model kit that you've built so far then? Um, I felt, um, a zhukok. Zukok.

Yeah. I'm trying like what that is. I know Zboku. Why do I know Zerok? From StarCraf, right? Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. It's the one that's kind of like short and dumpy, right? Yeah, yeah, yeah.

Why do you say dumpy? Yeah, yeah, see it's short dumpy. Yeah, yeah, and that was my first RG, so. Oh, okay. It was really hard. I, I hurt my fingers. It was so probably, it was, it was, So the parts like have to move around the parts.

Right. You know what I mean? It's like. But without breaking it. Yeah, without breaking it. It was so hard. God, I haven't hard enough time building IKEA furniture, you know. It's like that, but if the couch was this big.

Where's the perfect grade IKEA furniture? That's what I want to know. It's already hard enough. There's no such thing as a high grade IKEA furniture. It starts on like master grade. I get PTSD whenever I thread the screw too much. And then it's like halfway in. And the screw, you're like, oh no, oh no,

I've got like three turns left before this is gone. And then it starts making that like horrible squeaking sound. Yeah, yeah. I definitely like building gunplow up to a point and then like you finish it. And you're like, what's this thing that I haven't used? And it's the fucking stickers. And that's when it goes from a,

That's what it goes from a relaxing activity to just the worst thing I could ever hope for. I wish I liked it. Yeah, right? I wish I was into it. Because it would just be something you can do like on a rainy day, right? Yeah, but like I know there's like hard-

My kids could play with them. Yeah. You can watch their soul leave their body. Yeah, because I think what happens. But I know there's like hardcore gumpler modelers in Japan that, you know, go to the effort of like, you know, when you like snip off the live

little bits of plastic. And then there's like those little bits of plastics thing out. They're like, no, they don't even cut it, they sand it. Wait, yeah. Yeah, I sand it, I sand it. Oh, you do the sanding? Did you go? You do the sanding?

How do you do you do while you're building it? Do you have people like telling you what to do? Oh, there are people, oh, every time I punch them in the faces. Shut up! No one tells me what to do. I'm a delinquent, I do what I want to do. Shut up.

Oh my God. But I will send it. I will do what I want, but I'm gonna stand it. But I will stand it. As if like game backseating was already like the worst thing ever. Could you imagine someone being like, you haven't sanded this part enough?

I didn't realize what would be the worst thing to have a backseeing experience with until it happened and it's chess. Chess is by far the worst game to play on stream for the backseating. Everyone is like E4, E4, E3, everyone just says shit. I can't believe you made that move. Sometimes I wish people didn't know how to play chess.

Maybe they wouldn't backseat so much. Like playing chess because I remember when I played chess in like the chess tournament, I had to like learn to not look at the chat because like you know, you know that sinking feeling where you've just moved the piece and you've realized you've just like hung a queen or something like that.

Yeah. That's like playing with chat is just that feeling but just constantly. Yeah. Right. Are you a chess player? No, I know nothing about chess. Ooh. Do you know any like strategy board games like Mahjong or? I play Majan a lot.

I love Majan. You play Marjong? Yeah, you play Marjong. I'm really good at it. Really? I got Gant into it recently. And we like, it got to the point where I bought a mahjong table for my house.

Wow. Yeah, we'll eventually play it. Yeah, we need to get Connor in. Hell yeah, Marjong stream, let's go. Marjong stream, let's go, let's go. Let's go, let's go Marjong stream. Hell yeah. Hell yeah.

You know, if we played enough, eventually the viewers are going to learn the rules of the game. Yeah, yeah. I mean, I saw you streaming Marjong and like, like, how much were the viewers able to follow along? Like 10% of them. 10% of them like, yeah, I saw my, I saw my grandma,

playing this once before. But yeah, I think it's like, it's one of those games where like the more you watch someone play it, the more you start to just understand the game. Like, cause like I'm not necessarily like good at the game. Yeah. But I've gotten to the point now where I watch like professionals playing it on YouTube and just watching them play it as like, oh shit. Now I like understand more now about like the strategies of the game.

Do they like trash talk in the middle of the match? No, they're super quiet. I wish it was like poker where they're just like talking shit to each other the whole time. We can do that. We can do that. We can start it. It's like, oh really? You got a chi right now?

You're gonna see right now. All right, that's how it is. That's pretty cringe, bro. Do you any play like online mahjong or have you ever played with real tiles as well with people? I've never played with a real one. Only the online mahjong where I learned it from, um, learn it from Ruega Gotoku, the Hakuza series. Oh yeah.

You learned it from the Nakuza? I think everyone learns it from that though. They teach you in it. to play it? Yeah, so in every, every Dugo Go game, there's like a place where you can go and play Mahjong in the game. It's like a tutorial.

It's a mini game. It's like a mini game. Because this is the thing, where is the best place to learn how to play Majong? I learned it through the, you know, on the Nintendo Switch, there's the 50 classic board games. That's how you learn to play Marjong? Yeah, and they have Marjong on there,

and I was like, I'm gonna give it a go, and then I just got into it from there. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. If anything, like, online games are the way to go, because I didn't realize this until Joey invites me over to play like physical mahjong, how much, online games hold your hands to like tell you what's going on and what you can put down and

what like the strats are right so I remember I was like a complete beginner at Marjean barely knew the rules play once with like Joey and suddenly like you know it was like training with the master and then going back to the novice level when I played online again I was like wait they highlight all the tars for you and they tell you all the hands what is this what is this baby mode that I'm playing right now because like the one time I played at like, IRO was gone. We had like one of our friends who's like way better at it. And like I think I learned like 20 new rules.

Just from that like short session, I was like, oh. You can do that? If you drop a child, you got three seconds to eat it. Yeah. I'm not gonna pretend I understand all the rules because like there are some hands where, you know, it's so deep. Yeah, yeah, Marki would do something and he suddenly get like 10 times the amount of points I was getting. And I'm just like, you know, I'm just gonna let this happen.

I don't know what's going on. But I'm having fun. It's fun. It is a fun experience. Yeah. That's rule number one. Have fun. Have fun.

My God, Jay. Do you want to instantly sound like a boomer? That's all you have to say. Have you ever done any Marjorang streams yourself or is it just a private thing? Yeah, I did it yesterday. Oh, really? Yeah, with my viewers, I play with my viewers.

Oh, okay. It's really fun and always having fun. Do they not like, do they not stream snipe either if you're playing with views? They, um, um, Because I did a once on stream and like two guys, yeah, I got stream sniped. I've had that before.

Yeah, yeah. But like there's nothing more frustrating than getting stream sniped with Marjong. It's like getting stream snipe with poker. Well, they can look at your stuff. Yeah, they can look at my hand just on stream. It's the worst. I just trust them.

And did I look at my, look at my, you put a lot of trust in your view. My gun. Jealous. Streams. Your viewers are nice. I, I, would you say that the Japanese audience is very polite in that sense then?

I don't stream snap, you're trying to fuck around with you? Yeah. That's good. My chat loves to fucking ruin my day. That's what they get off on day. I'm kidding, I love you, chap, fuck you, chat. My God. Oh my God.

Yeah, that's basically like a lot of Western people just like, especially with our audience, they love to troll us. Yeah. That's where the content is for us, I guess, right? Exactly, exactly. Viewer interaction. So like, what are your favorite types of streams that you do? My favorite types of streams?

Yeah. Types. Types. Like just chatting or games or... Or Gunpla. Gunpla. I'm into Gunpla right now, so I really enjoy Gunpla. But if you could do only one type of string

for the rest of your career, whatever. For the rest of my life? Then I'll play games. Games? Yeah, games like Arc and survival stuff. Oh, you like Arc, right? Yeah, I love Arc. I couldn't get into that game.

I wish I could. I've tried it. What is that game? Never tried it? It's a survival crafting. Kind of like a real... Isn't it kind of like a real Minecraft? I think so.

Why do you guys live? It's like squid game. I only know Ark, right, because it was like my friends who played the like 4XD strategy games, those types of games. What are they? Basically strategy on like meth.

It's like strategy games like times a thousand. Like the very hard. What they called? Like it makes Siv look like it's for babies. Like these kind, I've got, There's a bunch that I have downloaded because I try to play them, but they're learning them are way too difficult.

Yeah, yeah. Those types of friends I have that love those games, love Arc. And I was like, that's a good sign for me to not go near Arc. Because their game taste is like horrible. It's like Minecraft, but there's like dinosaurs in it, right? Yeah, there's dinosaurs in it.

And you're like a caveman, right? You have one minute to Sellers on Arc. Oh, no. Go, time starts now. Don't you wanna punch those trees and make your own house? Arc is for you! Sol!

What else can we do, Kayson? Tell us. Yeah, what else can you do an arc? You can poop with your clothes on? Shode! You guys should have an obsession with this? Have you ever wanted to play Minecraft but poop at the same time?

Can you build a bag, otherwise Connor's not gonna be interested? Can you build a bidet? Oh, what? Can you build a bidet? Um, I think so. There's a toilet and you can poop in it. Why are you hitting the pee so hard there?

Hard pee. What's going on? I've never heard poop said with such a hard pee before. Jesus, K-Sah. Poop. Poop. So, so far, uh, so far the benefits to Ark, uh, you can poop. I mean, trash taste viewers should love that, right?

Yeah, right? Trash taste viewers are salt. Yeah. So you got Ark? What else you're into? I'm into Ark and, you know, Conan Exiles? Have you ever heard of it? I've heard of that.

Conan Exiles. What is that? It's like Ark. There's no dinosaurs. There's monsters. So it's like Minecraft. Okay, okay. What else do you like?

I mean, it's, is that not correct? That's what it sounded like. It's like Minecraft with HD. You're not into Apex Legends, the one that every game every gamer in Japan is playing right now. Do you like FPS? I do like it, but I'm so bad at it. I'm not good at it.

I'm not good at it. It sounds like you like the crafting kind of games where sandbox games. Like crafting in game and IRL. Yeah, exactly. That makes sense. I'm a crafting person. Have you ever played subnautica?

Yeah, I love that game. Oh yeah. That's crafting under cheese. Oh my God, finally finds a subnaker fan. Got it, yes. Like, oh, they got up and I was the only one. I knew there was another person. I knew there were, there are dozens of us.

You can play it. You can play it. It's a VR, right? Huh? You're playing in VR, yeah. I've been meaning to play it in VR. Yeah. I've been meaning to play it, it looks fun.

It's hell of fun. Sell me on some Nordica, gone. Okay, hell of fun. Okay, so. It's like Minecraft. In the scene. Yeah, I was gonna say. It's kind of like Minecraft,

but you can't poop in it, unfortunately. So, you know, that's, that's a tick off. But it's basically like a survival crafting game, where if you wanna experience, like, telasophobia without experiencing talasophobia. Right. It actually like, it brings out, I don't know what that word is.

Talasophobia. It's like a fear of like open water. Did you learn that from that game? No, I literally, it's okay, so I've played word. How often do you say that? As often as I say archipelago. Fucking no, fuck off, don't. Did you know that word? No.

Yeah, exactly. Never you did. No. Get out of here. You don't know this word. I actually, Actually, I learned it because I played Subnautica and then, you know, YouTube algorithm works

in mysterious ways and suddenly I started getting recommended videos about talasophobia. Talasophobia simulator. And it's just like, ah, that's the thing that I feel when I play Subnautica. So it's basically just, you know, a fear of open water. So it's like if you see an image and it's just you submerged in the ocean

and you can't see an island or anything like that, or you just see like deep water that you can't see the bottom, that's kind of like, Sub-Nawatskyer gives you such a good feeling or such a great feeling of that. God, I can't imagine that in VR. That would be fucking terrifying. Yeah, yeah, yeah. So it's actually, I don't think it's actually meant to be a horror game,

but my God, there are some moments that that fucking scared. I thought it was a horror game. It looks like a horror game. Everyone's so scared playing it. Were you scared? It's really scary when you have to go deep down to find something that, you know, it's, there's a lot of things hidden in the deep water. Because I've seen so many clips in Sub-Nautica,

where you just be swimming and then just like a shock. Yeah, three frames, right? That's like the most famous part of the Sonnetica. So, so like, well, you start off in Submortica in like the shallow area, right? Where, you know, you can see the kiddie pool. The kiddie pool. You can see the sunlight, there's coral around.

You're like, yeah, this is cool. I love scuba diving. This is awesome. And then you kind of realize soon after that some of the things that you need to craft aren't in this area that you're in. So you look over to the area next to it and it's just,

darkness and then you soon realize that you can have to build up the courage to go in that new area. So it's finding Nemo simulator. Kind of, yeah, kind of, kind of. And what it does such a great job at is just, it's the fear of the unknown, right? Because you don't know exactly what's in the water, but sometimes you hear a sound, you look around, you're like, what the fuck's going on, you know? You're checking your back. Computer. Yeah, because I like, normally I fucking hate horror games, right?

Because I hate jumps scares. I hate jump scares the most. And sub-nortical, I mean, it doesn't intentionally give you jump scares, obviously. It's a natural jump scare. It's a natural jump scare, but like it does give you this feeling of just uneasiness. Like you're swimming in the ocean and you feel someone grabbing your feet. That kind of feeling, you know. So it's, and it's just a very fun crafting survival game as well.

Is Minecraft like that? I would like to know. Because then I would play Minecraft more often kind of. There's some places you can run into stuff like that. I mean, you know, I think like whenever you first meet like a creeper in Enderman, that's pretty much a jump scare. You die really easy early on, so it's pretty scary. What's the creep? You love, if you know, Cereper, not creep.

You will love Arc because Arc, you can go, what are you laughing at? What are you laughing at? You can go, go down water, you can go deep, there's caves. It's really, it's Arc. Is Arnottica is Ark without the poop. Poop. To be fair, name another crafting game

where you can poop in. Other than Arc. Is there any? Is there any? I think it might only be Arc is really famous for pooping. It really is. Just Google Arc and who. Why?

Are you sure Arc is famous for pooping? Are you trying to make it famous? Are you trying to make it famous for Pooke? Just Google it right now. Arc poop. Why is pooping in the game? What does that help with? Because you can use it for like,

to like, manure and stuff. Like crafting material. Dinosaur's poop too, so there's nothing everywhere. You gotta find fertilizer somewhere, right? I've just seen compilations of V-tubers reacting to dinosaurs pooping in Arc, and they just like lose their mind. What a compilation. Shut up. Of course it is!

Oh my God. Because there's so many V-tubes who play arc and they all like lose their mind whenever they see to... When they learn you can poop in the game and they just laugh their ass-all. Okay, I will link you the video. I, it's just about art poop Our poop machine dino and farming essential I'm like what? Yeah, because you can use the poop as like manure

to like grow crops in the game, I'm pretty sure. Yeah, and there's a dinosaur that's only exist for pooping. I don't know that the existence. What is the name? My entire existence is poop. Yeah. You know that Twitter account,

which is just you can pet the dog, which goes to like different games and tells you if you can pet the dog. Can he poop in the game? Is that poop in this game? No, no. It's always gonna be no. Oh, can you poop in this game?

And it's just an arc fan account. It's like, no, you can not poop in Legend of Zelda. It's just like all of them except for Arc. So other dinosaurs actually scary in Arc? Or does that even interest you to begin with? But you can tame them. You can tame dinosaurs? Yeah, you can tame them.

Oh, damn. And you can go to caves with them. They can fight for you, they can live with you, you can bet them, see? That sounds pretty damn epic. Can you do that in sub-nautica? No, you can have like a little fish tank where you like raise your own fish, but that's pretty much it.

Right, right, right, right. Can't really like train fish, can you? You can tame like a dolphin. In Conan exiles, you can tame human. Isn't there a word for that? Isn't it slavery? Isn't that just called slavery? Yeah.

I was like, I was like, I'm pretty sure you can do that in real life as well. Not that you should, but, you know. That's how they sell. Didn't we abolish that? That's how they sell slavery in the modern day. It's taming. Like, no, it's taming. Yeah.

I can't believe reality ripped off of Conan. I was like that. Hit them with a stick. Hit their heads really hard, like, five or six times. Knock them out and then chain it to some, I don't know that. Something, well, make it like labor. That's so random that you put your Conan Exiles. That game was big like a few years back.

Does anyone still play Conan X-Rs? I do. Is it still big? Why'd you call her out like that, man? I'm sorry, I don't know anyone else who plays Clodin Exile still. That is true. Am I the only one?

I remember there was like drama between you two years when one of them like destroyed the other's base or something and it genuinely caused like drama. Like they actually had a falling out because you could destroy each other's base in the game. Isn't that also happening like rust as well? I think so as well, yeah. It was like drama around that as all.

Can you do that an arc as well? Yeah, you can do that an arc. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Griefing. I think that's what called. Yeah, it's like, toxic. Is there like an etiquette to the game or does that?

Normally I think there is etiquette in games like that. And if someone like fucks everything up, you're like, he's not allowed on the servers again. Yeah, just ban him from the server. He's banned. Yeah. I imagine, I imagine this is like the perfect concussion for that fucking South Park Warcraft episode

where there's just one guy killing everyone, right? Classic. Pretty much. You've been V-Tubing independently since October? October, yes. How has it been being independent? Um, well, it's really fun. Yeah, I'm having fun, of course, but it's really busy, but.

Yeah. I made my first merch in October. It was my debut merch. It was really hard. I hired a manager. The first time in my life, I didn't know I'm gonna do that. My daddy is so, so surprised.

I told him that I hired a manager. What the fuck, anime girls need a manager? What? Every anime girl needs a manager. Yes, father, this is 2021. It's 2021. Or is 2020. Is the merch still on sale or?

It's not on sale right now, but it's sold well. Ooh. So well. That's how you can get into Gumpler. Yeah. Sold so well, like, oh, I'm getting those real grade. Is that one of this? Real grade?

I always have to make a real grade, K-San Gumpla. Real, what, what, what? It would be very difficult to make. Yeah. I'd be down for buying a case on Gunpla? Are you serious? That's the next stage. That's the next stage, because plenty of YouTube's

of figures now. No one has Gunplah, you know. You know, owning a Wifu is a wifu is a, enough. You need to build it. You gotta build it. Build your own wifu. It makes the intimacy stronger. It's like I've built her. Yeah, because I mean, when you started indie V-tubing,

I think you are, I think you, you know, blew up pretty quickly. Did you expect the reaction that you got from doing indie YouTubeing? Oh, no, no, no, no. I, honestly, I, didn't expect anything. Right. It happened, I was like, hmm. I mean, yeah, because especially now,

like the indie V-tubing scene is so massive, right? And so insanely competitive. Like, it's like new V-tubers coming up, like 10 V-tubers in a day. Yeah, exactly. Yeah, it's crazy. Yeah, it's crazy to see you. Debut streams, debut streams, debut streams,

every day. Yeah, I feel every time I go into Twitter, like another one of my friends is becoming a V-tube. Yeah. Or I see a lot of true accounts that have pre-debue or something. Oh, yeah, yeah. That's the one I see now.

where they're going to debut, but they haven't debuted yet, but they're like on Twitter as the- Yeah, they show like a like a two-second clip. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, they're saying like they're preparing. Yeah, I see a lot of those. It's like three days till debut or something.

Yeah, yeah, a lot of those. That's just like the magic word, debut. Like, you know, right? Like we have like, fucking, what, outfit debuts now? We go all that. What else can we like, what else can V-chub is debut? Like, you like, new, like, updated model debuts as well?

Yeah, yeah, exactly. 2.0 now. 3D debut. You did that, right? You got a new model made, right? Yeah, this is my model 3.0. Ooh, I saw a model that was quite interesting where you just had half of your body.

What was going on with that? Where did that idea come from? Have you seen this? What is it? Do you want to explain this model? I'll let you explain it. I don't want to explain it to the voice. You've seen the one with my real body

and V-2 in head, right? Have you seen this? Have you seen this? This was so genius from you. I have to say this was big brain. This was so smart. I used my camera and, well, I didn't want to put my makeup on, so I cut my head off

and then wore the same costume as my model because I had the costume, I made the costume myself and then made the model. Oh, okay. Yeah, so I had the same one, so why not just put my head off? So it's so smart. You had like, her head was like here and then you could just see her chest.

And I was like, Kayson, what are you doing? It was so genius. I remember seeing that. I thought that was Photoshop. Yeah, I thought that was like meme fan accounts just making that. I did that on a stream. I can do it now.

That was genius, I have to say. I was very impressed by that. I thought that, how was nobody thought of that? That's so big brain. But some fans hated it. Wait, why are they hated it? I don't know. My Japanese fan, like I said before,

doesn't like to see the real world. I don't know. Real world. For lack of a better way of phrasing this, they're scared of real boobs? Not like that, they just... They wanna keep the fantasy, I think. So yes.

So yes. It's like that... No real boobs allowed. It's a clip from The Simpsons where Smithers is in the club and the women are like gliding And he's like, ah. Yeah, sorry, I'll show you later this movie. Yeah, well, what's so strange though?

That would get angry, like angry or just, they didn't like it? Some people got really angry. Really? Wow. Because I guess it like breaks the illusion, right? Why would they get angry about it, though? Maybe dislike of it, I can understand, but like getting upset over it feels like so stupid. Yeah, me too.

Yeah, yeah. I'm glad you agree, I'm glad you agree. I'm like, what the fuck? It's a weird thing to get angry about, to be honest. What you should do is you should just like slowly lead them in. So maybe how like start off with 10% 3D other than like 20% 3D. Oh, so like. Maybe they didn't like it because I went all the way.

Yeah, yeah. So like every stream you do, just like take off like a pixel. Do 50-50, right down the middle. Down the middle. Down the middle. Horizon. And you'd be like Harvey Two-Faces. Like a movie poster.

I would try that next. I wanna make someone mad with that. Yeah, let's do that. I guess it's like the same logic of like, you know, like people who love, say for example, like an anime character. Right. But they separate the anime character

from the voice actress. Right. Yeah, they wanna keep it separated. Yeah. Because they wanna think to themselves, oh, this 2D character is an actual, like, real character, not played by anyone, but it's like a real thing, right? And like, it's that fantasy.

I understand that. I understand that. I understand that in an anime setting. Yeah. Because, you know, these lines are recorded and they are then given two set character, right? But when you're streaming, I feel like it's different. There's always a person.

Yeah, I still feel though there's a lot of Japanese viewers who haven't differentiated between the two, though. I just don't understand how you could, because the whole appeal of the, you know, if they wanted to be obsessed with just 2D models, they would just go and watch anime. But it's a 2D model you can interact with through the chat.

That's where the selling point is for a lot of people. So when you do do IRL streams, is it your Western audience that gives you a more positive reception? Yeah, yeah, definitely, definitely, yeah. Because I think we have, I think the phrase here in like the Western community is a touch grass. Referring to what, God.

I don't know. That's what we tell each other. Referring Japanese viewers? No, no, that's what we tell each other when people are too far off the deep end. Yeah. They can't tell reality from fiction, right? Yeah.

Before you decided to become B-Tuber Cakes-on, was there a point where you were like 50-50 or you weren't sure whether to go like IRL? Or was it just, you're like, nah, I'm shouldn't go YouTuber right away. There's no doubt in your mind. Um, let me say, I'm still struck. I'm like that.

Going back and forth with that real life and V-Tubing, what should I do? Because some people really like my real life streaming and some people hate it. some people really love my V-tubers. Yeah. Streaming and, there's, um,

I don't know. It's tough, it's really tough. I don't know what to say. I, there's a bunch of people watching right now, so, um, I think you'd be honest about it.

Yeah, yeah, you can be honest. To be honest, to be honest, it's really easy for me to use this model. Mm-hmm. Yeah.

To do the, uh, real life, because my face is always messed up and my room is really messy. I do not wanna film in there. So- I would disagree, but I don't think your face is quote

on messed up. Yeah, I do relate to the messy room though. You did not know me when I wake up, it's so messed up. Like you got beat up? Like, point me to someone who is not messed up in the morning. That's everyone. That's what I wanna, everyone looks messed up in the morning.

You know, I would say in general, just do which one you think you can keep doing, for the longest time. Yeah. You know, I used to do only, fucking, oh my God, you used to only do like Sebastian from Black Butler.

Do you know Koro Sitsuji? Kro, Kro Sitsuji. Yeah. Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah. My channel, the way I started my YouTube channel was I used to just do his voice. Oh. And like English, sound really posh, English.

And all my videos are me just like prank calling places as Sebastian. I remember back in those days, back in the good old days. We'd like, call people like this, yes, I suppose. I would call really British. Oh, dude, the OG fans are creamy right now.

They're like, ah. But that's what he sounded like in English, right? So, yeah, I did that for a very long time. But then I was getting to the point where I was like, you know what, I don't think I want to be a character anymore. I think I just want to be me. I think I want to be me. And that was what happened for me.

So I don't know. You know what? I don't think I will. But you know, it was, I got a lot of pushback when I started doing, well, not pushback, more so that just no one turned up. Nobody wanted to watch. That's so normal though. Like when you drastically change your shit that much, right?

It's like, yeah, of course. Which mean you're not a butler in real life? What is this? What is this? Unfortunately not, but I wish. Who makes the coffee? The intern. The real butler. The real butler.

But yeah, you know, it's, I'd say if you have any, if you, if there is a part of you, that's like, yeah, I would like to do more RRL stuff. I'd just go for it. Like, yeah, just go for it. There's always pushback in the start, but, you know, You will gain the audience of a new people who appreciate.

You can't please everyone is what I want. If you're considering, yeah. I wouldn't, I wouldn't, never ever, ever let the viewers what they want and decide what you want to do. It's your life not theirs, right? That's so true. I love you viewers though, by the way. Hey, subscribe.

Let us know down below what you want to see from us. Yeah, sorry we don't talk about anime, but clearly, clearly we've made that choice to not do that. Exactly. You know, if you're doing content that is to appease someone, you're not making the best content you can make. You're making content that you think is the best content. And it's only gonna like, you're only gonna be able

to do it for so long, where until you get to that point where you just wanna, you know, throw everything away and be like, fuck it, I don't wanna do this thing. There are sometimes in the Venn diagram where they overlap in what the viewers want and what you want. Right, right.

That's just a happy. Happy little way. Absolutely. Everyone's happy. Yeah, happy little accident. Unfortunately doesn't happen. Yeah. The only problem is that vendor is like this.

It's tiny. So like before V-tubing, you said you were into cosplaying, so how did you get into that? Oh, it's a long story. Ooh, okay. We got time. Do you know Visual K bands?

Yeah, of course, of course, yes. Yeah, and I was a fan of Visual K bands and that's where I started cosplaying. My first cosplay was a Visual K band cosplay. What was the band? What bands were you into? The band, I don't think you guys know it, but it's called Gazette.

Oh, yeah, Gazette. Oh, you guys know it. I don't know. The Gazette. You don't know? I'm not going to pretend I do. I'm sorry. Yeah, I used to cosplay as a member of that and other visual K bands.

That's where I started. Like Nightmare and like Gilgamesh and all those guys. Oh, you know Gilgamesh? I love Gilgamesh. Oh, yeah, yeah. Like cross faith as well. I love Gilgamesh as well. My favorite character in fact.

Girogamesh. It's another one. My favorite fake character. My favorite fake character. I love Gilgamesh. I'm sorry, I'm sorry. I should have done that. Gidugamishu.

Yeah. That makes a lot of sense actually. Because, yeah, that is. My husband started from there. It wasn't from anime. Everyone thinks it's from anime, but it wasn't. I was banned from anime. I was banned from anime.

I was like, Was visual K allowed though? I don't think so, but my parents didn't know anything about it, so they weren't able to ban it from me. Because a lot of visual K bands are pretty like raunchy. Yeah, I know, I know. Like you listen to like Duran Gray, it's like, oh my God, I don't want my kids listening to that.

Jesus Christ. So did you start off making your own cosplays, or did you buy your cosplay at first, and then you kind of learned it along the way? was making it because my mommy my mommy is really good at sewing she teach me how to sew when I was little and I was kind of into sewing so I started I was really interested in their costumes right visual K band's costumes are really really really complicated yeah yeah you guys know it it's really cool it's insane so I really I really

was like, I saw it as art. And I really wanted to make it, make one. So I started it. And then I end up being an anime girl. Did you do like the Visual K makeup as well? Yeah, yeah, yeah. I used to have no eyebrows. Wait, why?

So you draw it on? Oh. They don't have it. Oh. Most Visual K, Visual K people don't have eyebrows. I did a video with a visual K band and I don't remember if they had eyebrows. I'm trying to remember if they had eyebrows.

I mean, it's not like a requirement. You made it sound like it was a thing where it's agreed upon. It's like, oh, you want to be a visual K band? Get rid of the eyebrows. Get rid of the eyebrows. Like funny image of like visual K bands with like the eyebrows photoshopped out. Have you seen someone without eyebrows?

Yeah, it looks really weird. It looks really weird. It looks super weird. I would know because I had to like shave my eyebrows off because when I went became a monk. And that looked like 10 times we're than me having a bolt head, right? The bold head meant nothing because all I could see

was just like my eyebrowless fucking face. Yeah. It's super fucking weird. I can't describe. Wait, did you have the shaved head with no eyebrows? Yeah. No hair. No hair.

It's just like fucking Mr. Potato head or something. No, even he has fucking eyebrows, doesn't he? He does. He does a lovely bushy eyebrows. When he like loses his parts and just like, It's just like his eyes and the mouth. That's what it looked like. It looks so weird.

So I've noticed in some of your streams, you've done a lot of meme reviews. Oh yeah. Yeah, so, what? That's good. What, nothing, I'm just smiling. Connor smiling, what is that? Yeah, so I wanted to ask, like,

what's your opinion between, like, Japanese memes versus Western memes, right? Because I've only, like, I only get like a glimpse of Japanese memes every now and again. So I don't really know what kind of memes are even hot or popular, what like the sense of humor is. What is, what is your opinion on that?

Well, I only review like, um, Western memes. So I don't know much about Japanese memes, but I've seen some and I only reviewed, uh, it was Western memes. I, because I understand the jokes. Right, right. Are you trying to say you don't understand Japanese memes? You're trying to say Western memes are better,

I mean, that's kind of what I wanted to. To be honest, it's not like it's good, better, better or something. You don't like drip goku? I mean, to be honest, I prefer the Western memes over the Japanese memes. Yeah, Japanese memes, it's, it's so weird. It's so weird and complicated for me. Sometimes I really don't understand why they're doing it. Like, like, I feel the baseline Japanese meme is like the same level as a multi-layered

Western meme. Where it's like, you have to, it's like, it's like, it's like, reference over reference, over reference to like fully understand. Do they have anything like, uh-oh, stinky in Japanese memes? I don't think so. You know, uh-oh, stinky? I don't know that. What's a, uh-oh, thinky?

It's a really dumb meme. We're gonna, next time you do a meme review, you gotta, you gotta put that one up. You gotta put O-Sty. Let's just, I wanna see your reaction. I wanna on film. Let me see. We're getting a live meme-a-view with a face on right now.

Okay, this is one of those clips, right? Bear in mind. This is like one where you hear it first time, like, this is, I don't like this is, And then you hear it five times, you're like, why is this so funny? All right, so me and Joey are gonna talk while Connor.

Give us the telephone. Stink. What am I liking? The pinnacle of Western memes case. This is like me trying to explain my job to my mom. Yeah. She's like you're playing arc, right? Oh yeah, that's me playing arc.

Yeah. What? She just walks up to a dinosaur and goes, oh, stinky. Pinky booby pooh. That has 27 million views, by the way. That's what I'll let you know. I can't voucher.

No, Japanese memes are not like that. I don't know why we have that kind of humor in the way. Well, there's some of them, but there are a bunch of other ones as well. Yeah. I do like our memes. Very fond of them. Yeah, sometimes I like anti-meams as well. And I like, sometimes, I don't know, it's, I can't even get my own humor a lot of the time.

And sometimes meme just don't make sense. What? I don't know. It's, you know. It's true because it's like the more memes I've seen from both the Japanese side and the English side, the more I don't know what's funny anymore. I don't know what's humor anymore.

Yeah, yeah. I can watch a stand-up comedy, and I'm like, yeah, that's comedy. And then I go to memes, I'm like, is this comedy? I'm laughing. Like, is this funny or is it entertaining? I don't know. Can you guys describe a Japanese meme

that you found funny? You found any funny? That's the trick question, isn't it? You know the one that everyone always sung praises of Japanese vine? Everyone always said that was really good. I thought Japanese vine is really good, yeah. And like, and like a lot of Japanese TikToks as well,

like minus the ones where it's just like hot girls dancing. Like the ones where it's like actually, you know, the vine energy coming back onto TikTok, like some of those are pretty funny, but it's like, I don't know, I feel a lot of like Japanese memes a lot more, like very surreal where it's like, it's more like what the fuck is this more so than

this is funny kind of thing. Would you say that? Yeah, yeah. Yeah. We look at it, it's like, oh, this is really weird, but also kind of entertaining. But you don't necessarily laugh at it. Yeah.

You guys, do you know the Japanese guy, like, standing him in, and sees like, Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, I know, I know that one. It's not funny, right? Yeah. That's not a funny meme. That's great, I love that. But that's a meme, that's a Japanese meme.

I mean, that's an inspiring meme. Yeah, I'm like, good for you, guys. I did shit that day. I get behind that. Yeah, but that's the thing is like, I feel in Japan memes are used more as a creative outlet. Like, as in like, people take a meme that is not necessarily funny,

but they recreate it in different, like, artistic ways to like kind of be like, look what I can do with this one thing that everyone knows kind of thing. Whereas in the West, you get, uh-oh, stinky. Soss. And suss, where it's like, it's funny. Is it creative though? Not to sure.

There are a few words that meme has just ruined for me. A mong is one of them. I can't hear a mong anymore. I love memes because they almost paint a picture of the current time, like accurately. You can nearly get a sense of the field for the time with a meme, I think. Memes are almost like a language.

Yeah, they are there, right? But I'm the CV, I'm fluent of memes. You know what, in fucking 100 years, maybe memes will become a language in itself because, you know, sometimes you see a meme and you don't understand it at all, but sometimes you see a meme and there are so many layers

that are being conveyed in this one meme that you just get instantly, right? But then the problem is with explaining memes like that, people who don't get it, is that you look like a fucking idiot when you have to... They're like, why are you telling me that you find all of these things

individually funny? And then when it's combined, you also find it even funnier? Like, what's wrong with you? Okay, okay. But have you ever had a meme where you've never heard of it before, right? Someone shows it to you,

You're just like, what the fuck is this? And they explain why it's funny, and you're like, that's not funny. Every time. I just, I just saw it. Every time, every meme, I think it's dumb and then I like it. But then eventually you see it a second time.

You're like, oh, that's, that's kind of amusing. Like, you see it the third times, you give yourself a little chuckle. Come like the hundredth time, you see that meme, and you're like fucking pissing yourself at one note in that meme or something like that, you know? That's like memes to me nowadays.

Yeah, yeah, yeah. Especially when anyone comes on. Where it gets to the point where you just have to listen to one millisecond or that you start laughing. I've asked a lot of people this. What's your favorite meme? My favorite meme?

Yeah, you get off the top of your head. What came to your head first? Right now, it came to my head, the invention meme. Do you guys know the invention? Invention? I don't know this one. Like something was invented in 19, blah, blah, blah,

but before that, boom. You know that? What is this? I'm, I need to Google this way. You guys don't know the invention means? You gotta Google it. Has less than a meme culture made a video about it? Invention.

Is it just a text and then like this like four pieces? Text and images? Ah. What about that meme do you like so much? Oh, oh. Just gotta see it. Like this one, right? Oh, I get it, I get it, yeah.

Like the depression was invented in 1856, people before depression. Yeah, yeah, that's like a smiling dude. Oh, these ones, okay, yeah, I've seen these. It's better than an a oh, stinky, I think, that's for sure. True, true. I feel like, uh-oh, stinky has the staying power. It does.

Sometimes you, sometimes you, sometimes you, you, I've seen. Are you seeing it enough times? You're like, this ain't funny anymore. This ain't funny. And then you wake up the next morning and like, okay, this is pretty damn funny. But that's the best memes, right? The worst memes are the ones where you see on Twitter one day.

We see you on TikTok and it lasts literally a day. I've seen memes just last a day. And can you even call the memes at that point? No, like, it's just a funny image. Like that's all it is. It's just some dude posted a funny image and a lot of people liked it. That's, I guess that's what a meme is, isn't it?

I guess that is. I guess that's what a meme is. I figured out what a meme is. That's a meme. A me-me-me. That's a me-may-may. Me-may. For the longest time, I thought it was me-me-me.

When, like, troll comics were first the thing? It's melee, right? What? Me-L-E-L-E, like, when you hit someone. Like, Super Smash Bros. Yeah, melee. When I was a kid, I just like, could not. M-E?

I'm like, M-E. Yeah. M-E-L-E-E-E. M-E-L-E-E-E. Because when you see M-E-E-L-E-E-E, like, M-E-E-L-E-E, M-E-L-E. Mealy, mele. That's another one of those words where I even remembered as simply as a child, I just did not know which one it was

and I would kind of be like, Super Smash brother, brother, me. Wait, so is it melly or mealy? I say mele. Mele. Mele. Mele. Mele. What do I say? I forgot what I said.

Mele. Mele. Mele. How, okay. I'm getting like a fucking, what's that moment called where your memory is different than what people? Oh, the, uh. Mandela effect.

I'm getting Mandela effect right now, I think, because I swear, when you booted up the game, the announcer pronounced it, Maley. No. No, he didn't. He definitely did it. He goes like, Super Smash Brothers melee! It wasn't an American accent, I swear to God it was. But the guy doing it is an American.

Yeah. It's an American. Yeah. It's Zander, right? Zander who does it. He does the main voice of the... He does Joker in Pson and 5. Yeah. He did that. Yeah. He's the same guy.

He's been voice acting for that long? Yeah. Yeah. Holy shit, okay. He's the announcer for Smash. I did not know that. And I'm pretty sure he says melee. I think.

Right? Does he? Does he? I think. I know, I know nothing about Mario. When you play, Marri. I don't know anything about Pokemon. I know nothing about Mario.

Says a lot when he's just like. It says a lot about society. It says a lot about society. So when you, when you, when you play a game? Like, like seven absurdies. Hold on, I'll let them finish. I'll let them finish. I'll let them finish.

When you play a game, English or Japanese are you picking? Which one are you going for? Um, the first one that popped out. The first one that popped out. Yeah, if it popped English. So if it's a Japanese game, you play in Japan. Yeah, yeah, yeah. It's either all.

It literally doesn't matter. It doesn't matter for me. Oh, wow. I guess, I guess because you can play both, right? Yeah. Oh, my God. I guess it's kind of the same with me as well. Like, if the original...

If it's an originally a Japanese game, I'll play it in Japanese. Unless I have to stream it. But if it's made from a Western studio, then I'll play it. It's like Swiss people with European versions. They're like, oh, which language? I speak all of them.

It doesn't matter. It's like, fuck off. Fuck off. Yeah. Yeah. So now that we've discussed a lot of, a lot about your V-tuber activities, I'm wondering, though,

what's the grand plan for Kayson? What do you want to do? What do you want to achieve? Where is Kayson going in 2020? Yeah. Kson, 22. Anything you're allowed to tell us? Yeah, it's 22.

Oh. Don't remind me, John. I don't know I just started off just being a normal delinquent I want to be a worldwide delinquent The world's most famous delinquent Pitbulls stamp aside

There's another Mr. Worldwide Mr. Worldwide delinquent I don't know I just didn't set a goal for myself Yeah Just do him taking a day by day Yeah Are you the kind of person who like

Makes goals for themselves In like daily life or anything Or you just kind of like, I'll do whatever I want kind of person. I'll do whatever I want kind of person. That makes sense. I feel like that's very common amongst creative fields.

Yeah. Yeah. Well, I mean, there are people who are compulsively planning every little detail of that creation. Yeah. But I think you... I tried to do that once.

What happened? What happened? You said it like something went horribly wrong. What happened? I did that once. Yeah. It just broke me down. My brain couldn't just...

So when you make the, like when you were like making cosplay, you're just kind of winging it, you're like, I'm kind of eyeballing it, you wouldn't measure anything. You're just like, yeah. I never measure. Oh my God. And if it went wrong, I'm just terrified. I feel that's like true talent though, right?

It's like people who are like, I've never cooked this thing in my life. It takes two second look at the recipe. It's like, yeah, I can cook it perfectly. People who don't know how to like play piano, read the piano, they just learn it from like ear or something. Oh yeah, yeah.

People can like hear from ear. That's crazy. That's crazy to me. So I can't even play DDR without that. in general. Well, I can't play DDR either. How do they, how are people so good at that game? Practice.

It's insane. Yeah, like I, it's like, I don't know if someone can explain it to me, but can you explain why some of like the most famous composers to ever live were like death, deaf? Yeah, how's that work? They just, they just knew. Well, I guess that's the biggest mystery, right?

It's like, like Mozart was deaf, but he wrote his first symphony when he was five years old. And no, both Mozart and Beethoven were death. Yeah, that were both. I'm pretty sure Motel was deaf. I'm pretty sure Beethoven was deaf. Yeah, Beethoven, I think, wrote his first symphony when he was like five years old.

Yeah. And he's like, he just knew. Shit, man, what was I doing at play life? I wonder, I wonder if it was just like, yeah, I mean, back then, there was like, Gondon figures, shitting my pants. Back then there was only like, you know, now that's what I call music one, because there's like two songs around there.

I'm sure it was easier to get away with that thing. You know what I mean, come on, there's no music. We all know Beethoven invented music. Well, there was like, there was like, name a song, but, before Baithoven. So. Cave music.

Yeah, exactly. Joey, Mozart was blinded all there. Yeah, yeah. Oh, really? Mozart was blind? No, no, he wasn't. That's Helen Keller. I'm glad we fact check this.

Helen Keller's no favorite. Helen Keller. Helen Keller was blinding and dead. Wasn't there, I know there was like piano battles they used to have back in the day. That sounded so cool. Yeah, it's like a rap battle. Of like where Mozart like,

wiped the floor with another famous composer or something, I think. Something like that, yeah. It's just such a badass, bro. It's because he's got He's the hair, bro. You see his hair? Insane. I mean, everyone had that kind of hair back then, though.

It's insane, bro. That man had a massive man. He had to do. That man was making music. Man discovers Mozart in 2020. He's making music. Hey, oh, you heard of that new guy, Mozart? Make some bangers, dude.

Did you go to conventions, anime conventions? I've never went to the conventions before. Would you be interested? Yeah, would you ever want to go? Oh yeah, of course. Okay, here's the thing, would you go? I never leave my house. Would you go as your V-Tuber model,

or would you do like the full RTX render and attend in- Like a cosplay? Would you attend in cosplay? I would love to attend in cosplay with this Socho cosplay. Oh, yeah. That'd be pretty cool. That'd be dark.

Imagine getting a picture with K-Son, IRL, RTX turned on HD 4K, 144 Hertz. No mods necessary. Bro, that'd be, I'm sure people would freak out. Yeah, that'd be awesome. Do you wanna go to like cons in America? as well?

Oh, what? Do you wanna go to cons in America as well, or just Japan? Um, I would love to go to America and do that. Of course, never done it before, so. American cons, I imagine, are quite different from Japanese. Yeah. It is? Yeah, I'd say so.

From what I've heard, I've not been to a Japanese convention like right now, but what Japanese conventions are there aside from Comic-Con? Comic-Con. Oh, sorry, not Comic-Con, Comic-C. I haven't been to Comic-Ket, but I've just heard not good things. From what I've seen, it's just a line that you join to buy things.

Yeah, it's a, it's a Dojan convention. Yeah. Get in a line, buy it, then getting another line buying. Credit what credits do. I think America has the best cons. I think they do it good. UK sucks. Really?

Yeah, it sucks. It's so bad. UK doesn't have, UK don't have cons. They have drinking parties with some anime figures involved. Drinking parties in, it's like, it's like in like, But it's always in like a venue where you'd have like a school dance. It's never like an actual, it's small.

It's not like a concert hall. No, you know, it's literally just a place to go drink for people who like anime. Cause like one thing I love about American cons is that they have events going on. They have events. Like to me, I remember going to my first British con and seeing what their events, like, schedule was.

And it was basically nothing. You go there to drink, right? I know. Even now? Yeah. Even now, yeah. Half of my panels were in a bar area. So like the, they got their priorities.

Yeah, they would, you'd have the panel and like, if you were like, like, I guess, perpendicular to it, was you at a bar. So while you're doing your panel, people are lining up to get beer and stuff. So it's like, you're basically doing a pulp show. Basically, it's, because these they most,

more often are. Yeah. Yeah. Like, I don't even know what the biggest anime convention in the UK is right now. So you count MCM? Is it MCEM? I don't know, those. What doesn't suck in UK?

Wow Round of applause for that, ladies and gentlemen I would I would shake your hand case on but I can't unfortunately but I'll do like a virtual handshay Hold on, where did you hear this from? Who told you the UK sucks?

Who told you this? Who told you this? What? I don't hear anything that doesn't suck so I just needed some information to change my mind. We destroyed the most 5G towers per person, I think. The UK doesn't suck, change my mind.

Do you like pubs? Uh, yeah. As a delinquent, you should, then you'll love it. That's what we have going for us. UK's nothing but pubs. We have lots of pubs. Greggs, you wouldn't know what that is, but I think you'd like it.

There's a certain chain called Tescoes. Testicles? No, not testicles. Very close. Very close. Testicle meal deals. In shambles right now. We've got like a Harry Potter tour.

Oh yeah. If you like Harry Potter's based. Harry Potter, okay. I don't know much about Harry Potter. The royal family is there. The queen. The queen, Buckingham Palace. I'm really finding it,

finding it hard to have ways to sell it to. Fish and chips. Do you like fish and chips? Fish and chips. I don't eat fish and chips in the UK. Oh, okay. I also don't care about the royal family in the UK. Yeah.

I'm kind of drawing at taking... Oh, Doctor Who? Doctor Who is in the UK? Welsh gone, actually. It's different, please, differentiate. Nando's? Well, that's South African, though. Okay.

I will say what we're good at in the UK is taking other ideas. Oh, just taking other things, period. Don't ask where the British Museum got all their stuff from. That's one of landing in the UK. You heard of Devious Licks? That was a TikTok trend that the UK started back in...

back in the 17th century or whatever. We are used to foreign food. We have a lot of it, it's really good. I say you can get some pretty good authentic of everything, I guess. Yeah. Because we don't have like our own food that's very good. So we just have all the other countries food

and let them teach us how to make it. It's kind of like that in Australia, though, too, though. Northern Ireland and Scotland are beautiful. Wales is beautiful. They're there, they're there. Have you seen the Welsh flag? Welsh flag. Castles.

We have castles. Lots of castles. We have a lot of castles. Oh, yeah. Really funny. I found something, yes. I thought he said, curses.

Cursels. Corsals. Carsals, yeah. Castles. Yeah, castles. It rains a lot. Oh, that's, Seekin like rain.

You can stay inside. I hate rain. Looks like it's still sex. No, it's done to shit. Do you like theme parks? Oh yeah, of course. We have some really good theme parks actually.

No, all in towers. If you like, if you like the thrill rides. Okay, here's the thing. We're actually really good, yeah, yeah. So if you like the, when you go to theme parks, do you like the thrill rides or do you like kind of like. Throw rides, throw rides, okay.

Then you'll love it. You'll love it. We have like, I'm gonna say it, we have some goddamn good theme parks. We do, we do. The smileer, so good, people lost their legs on it. Yeah. Wait, wait.

Okay. It has the most loops in any single, roller coaster, I think. Yeah, unfortunately, unfortunately the best rides every time you go there probably gonna be closed down for some reason, Ron,

as they always are. I can't remember that one ride in like Orton Towers of Thor Park that was just like the big... Oblivion? Was it oblivion? Ablivian? Yeah, that's oblivion.

Okay, so one thing I've never understood is theme parks that, I guess, are actual theme parks, right? Because to me, theme parks are the thrill rides. I only care about the rides. I don't give a shit what kind of theme it is.

I don't give a shit what the characters are. Basically what I'm trying to say is I don't give a shit about Disneyland. Do you like you're really like you're really throwing shit at Disneyland right now? I'm gonna six flags and go to Disneyland. Yeah, yeah. That sounds more like, yeah.

That's why I don't go to Disney parks because I don't care about throw lines. I don't know what's wrong with me, but when I go to Disneyland, I just feel this like creepy corporate energy of like, I'm trying to shove some kind of happy childhood on me that I didn't have.

It is kind of like happy people. It is. It feels like something out of black mirror when I'm in Disneyland. I know it's not. I know it's not. I know it's not. No, I hate things. I'm not saying everyone who goes to Disneyland as being like fucking fed some kind of fake dream. I understand if you grew up with it, you like that.

That's totally fair. But for me, when I feel I'm there, I get this weird energy that I'm just like... I just don't like theme parks in general because I don't like thrill rides. I don't like roller coasters or anything like that. And it's the same thing. It's like, to me, the amusement parks are the thrill rides and the roller coasters. So if you don't like throw rides and roller coasters, I'm not going to like amusement. I'm not gonna like a music book.

I'd rather go to like the movies. I think it's because I'm over the age of 12, I think as well. I think that's... Well, with Disneyland? Yeah, but I think there's all... The amount of people I know that you've just called out with that one in life. Basically, every female in Japan, you called out.

I know there are, it's a big thing, a Disney adult, and there's a lot of Disney theme park YouTubers. Yes. Did you know that? Yes. I know some of them. And like, when I watch them, it's like they're speaking in like a foreign level. language to me. I don't understand. What do you mean? Because they discuss the optimal route

for like Disneyland. They all argue about what the optimal route of Disneyland is. And to me I'm like, how about you just all just get turned up? Do you need to like plan everything? Well, yeah, have you been? Okay, what are the, what is the selling point of Disneyland? I don't know.

I wanna know. Dude, do you like this? I think we're the right, we're not the right. Because you're the closest person to a Disney person. That is true. My girlfriend is a Disney fanatic, yes. You must know kind of the other people.

I really, I'm not trying to insult Disney fans. I just don't. Who has a girlfriend who is a Disney fanatic. I can say that I think it's just like, the thing is though, like, Archie's not the kind of person who goes to Disneyland by themselves, because there's a lot of people who do that. She's like, I go with other people

to like kind of show them around if it's their first time or like, you know, just to see like what's updated and just like kind of enjoy the rides obviously. and enjoy like all the activities that you can do with theme parks and stuff like that. What activities are there? What do you do? I don't know, I don't go with her.

You must have been with her once before, right? I've been with her once. What did you do? I waited around until she was finished with the ride. Well, because the theme park, the theme park. And ate a bunch of popcorn. I don't have a strong appreciation for the characters and stuff.

I think that's what it is. Because she's a Kingdom Hearts fan, so naturally she's going to like Disney shit as well. Okay, what, how do you feel about, they say the Universal Steelers? or that kind of thing then. I prefer Universal Studios over Disneyland. I feel like you're more invested.

It was chill as well, you know. It didn't feel as intense. I, there's something, I don't know why. It is more chill than Disneyland, I feel. I understand that, you know, theme parks have, like, those actors that are there for, like, the kids. Yeah, yeah, yeah. But there's something just weird about it when they, like,

for me, I'm like, whoa, when an actor person tries to, like, speak to me, in character, and I don't have a problem. No, I don't have a problem. with it, I'm just like, confused. I'm like, oh, what? I don't know why, it freaks me out. Why? I don't know.

Because it's not real. You don't want them to be in character? You don't want them to be happy? Kind of, it's like it feels like they're being held hostage when they're talking to me. It's like the most British thing you've ever thought. But I know they like it. I think it's a British thing that I'm just like, I can't,

I'm like, you shouldn't be happy. I'm like just talk to me like a normal person. I don't care if you're Tarzan. It's like real life fee tubing. Yeah, right. I don't know, I really, I think I'm just too British in some senses. Yeah.

I think that's my excuse for a lot of things. I don't really wrap my, I don't know why I can't wrap my head around it. What's wrong with me? I think it's because like you know like the meta behind it. Like you have to kind of be- The meta. Yeah. I can't immerse myself.

Like you have to immerse yourself, I think. That's the best way to enjoy like Disneyland or anything like that. I can immerse myself in like so like six flags or Alton Towers because all I gotta do is just get on that right and ship myself and have a good time. But that's the thing, that's the biggest difference right? I was like, Disneyland is like, it sets the soap up as like, it's like another world. It's like another country or like continent, you know, it's like.

I have no issues with Disney. I don't have people to think I'm hating on Disneyland. I just, I can't get into it. But like, I always wonder this, right? I'm like, what if, right? You made a theme park with all of these new characters that no one knew, right? Absolutely brand new characters.

And it was exactly that Disneyland, just with characters you didn't know. If you went in there, you would think it's creepy because you don't know any of these characters. I guess? Because you're like, what is this? It's like black mirror if you went in there. Like, picture it, you can literally just picture it, right?

It would be like a black mirror-esque thing if you didn't know any of the characters, right? I just don't even think I'd be able to immerse myself if I didn't know the characters. So I would just be like, oh look, there's a guy in a costume. But like, it's only not weird unless you have characters you understand, right? And you understand why they're doing these things?

Otherwise it's like, why are these people like dancing around and tend to be happy and stuff? It's just like strange, you know? I think you're reading like way too deep. I don't know. I think it's something one. I actually agree. Sounds like you don't like happy people.

You know, the UK is, the UK has trained me well, K. So what can I say? I do like happy, I do like, I do like happy people. And I don't know if there's some irony like the other, the two British people and I'm just like, I get you, Connor. It's weird, it's weird to me too. I've never enjoyed the seeing people in costumes.

You would be freaked out if you went to a place with no explanation with characters that you didn't know, just doing this stuff. And like, it's all branded and all stuff, right? It would be weird. Yeah, I don't know. What do you think, Kason? Am I crazy? Would it be weird?

Well, what, a new character? Like, you went to a theme park? That's like a debut stream of 18. That's it. I'm leaving, I'm leaving. Have you ever gone into a debut stream and be like, oh, that's weird? No, because that's the start.

That's the start of the story. Yeah, well, you don't go into a debut stream, commenting being like, uh, am I the only one of the things? I'm learning. Come on, I got it. I got it. Okay. A theme park.

With V-tubers. What would the rides be? Just, I don't know. Ride your favorite V-tube. Yeah, I don't know. Sound good. The roller coaster model. Do you normally go to theme parks case on?

Have you been to any of the theme parks here in Japan? I wanna go Fujikyu. In Japan, yeah, I went to Fuji, Fuji, Fuji, Kuhi, Hylene. I really, that's a one I wanna go to. Yeah, yeah, yeah. And I went to Disney World with my friends, Disneyland with my friends too.

Wait, there's a Disneyland and a Disney World. There's Disney, there's no Disney World in Japan. It's Disney Sea and Disney Land. Yeah, I went there. Soon there will be Disney Sky as well, I can't. I love learning about Disneyland. I watch all like Defunk Lang's videos. It's pretty good.

I love learning about Disney. I just don't like Disney. No, I just don't want to go to Disney. I don't know. Any good rides in the USJ? Yeah, one. If you like, Thrill Rides. Yeah.

The Raptor one. the Jurassic Park one. I don't go on the thorough rides, dude. You don't go on the thrill rides? No, I hate thrill rides. What? I hate roller coasters. Why do you hate roller coasters?

Why would I pay money to get scared? It's not scared, it's a thrill. It's adrenaline. I don't like that. What? I don't like it. You don't like adrenaline? No.

You don't feel adrenaline when you do something exciting? No. To me, that's not exciting. That's just scary. Only thing. That's the only thing I like about thrill parks too. I like when you don't feel like your... That's why I don't go to amusement parks though.

We've established I don't go to amusement parks. I thought it was just Disneyland. No, all amusement parks I don't like. That's what I was saying. When I went to Mario World, right, at USJ a while back, that's like the first time in like 10 plus years that I went to an amusement park.

Wow. Because I just, I don't find that enjoyable at all. I'd rather go to like the movies. Fridji Q. Okay, if everyone loves thrill lights, Fuji Q. Fujikyu I've heard is the best in Japan when it comes to the thrill rights.

Yeah, yeah. That's what I'm. I want to go to. Like, USJ maybe, because you guys have been really bigging up Nintendo World, so I was gonna call it Mario World for a second. Have you been to yours? Yeah, yeah, once.

Did you go, have you been recently with the Mario thing? No, no, I don't know that Mario. There's also the Qutsu world right now. I don't know anything about Mario. She called Super Smash Bros. Mele Mario game. You don't know anything about Mario? No.

Wait, so it's like, I wasn't allowed to play games when I was little. You didn't play recently? Um. Like any Nintendo game at all? No, well, everyone like grew up with Nintendo, right? Yeah. Mario and now I can't go in, like.

You can't grow up again. I can't grow up again with it. I'm too old. So when did you start playing games and watching anime then? That was when I was in college. Oh my God. So basically when you started streaming then? Yeah, yeah, yeah.

Okay, so what would like the first games you played? The very first one was Monster Hunter. Oh, wow. Yeah. Checks out. You went in deep right from the get-go. Yeah. Jesus Christ.

What's your favorite game of all time? Of all time is Yakuza series. Yeah. Hell yeah. Why are we clapping? It's a good game. It's winning a award or something. I've never played it before?

I've never played it. I played Yakuza 7 and 0. It looks fun. Is that like JoJo? Do you have to start? It's basically Jojo the game. I know it's basically Jojo the game in a lot of ways. I heard from my friends who like Yakuza

that it's best to start with Yakuza Zero. Would that be correct? Is that true case law? Is that true? Well, Yakuza Zero, I think, is really the best. Yeah. To start, I think Yakuza 1 would be better. There's a remastered version.

You don't condone skipping parts. So you start with one. And then you go two. Three. Wait, so what would you say is the best Yakuza game? Zero? I would say my favorite is Ishing. Ishing? Do you know Yishing?

Yeah, I think that was the best. Is that like the Kishi-Bey-Rohan of Yakuza games? Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, it is. But before you play Ishing, you have to play all the Yakuza series to know more about it. So it's literally the kiss to be wrong. I feel stupid explaining this. Oh my God. No, no, no, no, that's fine, it's fine.

It's the, imagine the Yakuza series characters within Edo period, I think. Yeah. Oh, okay, okay. That's issue. How would you feel if we started with that game? Um. Like, if I, if I message you and said,

I'm gonna start my first Yakuza game and it's gonna be Yakuza Ishin, what would you say to me? Well, I won't say anything, but, um, you won't understand it, you think, because, All the characters that's on the Ishin, it's the character they used to be on the other series.

Right, right. That makes sense. I think it's gonna be hard to understand the characters. Right. If you start from Ishin, it really makes it. See, that's how we felt when you explained that you started. Because like a bunch of the side characters

just turn up in that one. Yeah, like Josque turns up. Which. I think Zero is supposed to be like a prequel to one. So you can technically start with zero, but it would make more sense if you played one first. Yeah. It's the other mechanics.

Because zero came out after one. My brain was already hurting. Yeah, I know. Every Jojo fan. It was like, yes, I understand. Completely. So before we wrap things up, is there anything you want to say to your viewers or fans

or our viewers and fans? Of course, I need to tell them, I love you, Kay! Thank you, Kewen. Thank you, Kew, I love you guys. You can't say that after you just shit on us. Did I? Yes, you did.

There is now an entire highlights clip of Case and shits on the UK. Can't believe it. That's okay, you're basically UK if you do that. You're basically British. You're an honorary Brit now because you should have. I thought only the French could fuck the UK as hard as far as what just happened right now,

but I guess Caseon just proved us wrong, right? Where can people find you, Ksom? Me? Anywhere on YouTube, on, I stream on YouTube. Mostly on YouTube, but I stream on Mildom. It's a platform you can mostly use on your phone. It's a Japanese platform. Oh, okay.

I've never heard of that platform before. No, I mean either. Really? Yeah. We'll have all these links in the description of course. Yes. Where else? Twitter. Oh, on Twitter too.

Yeah. K's on on air. I'm there. Please find me. You've got to be way more aggressive about plugging. You gotta get into it, Kayson. You're gonna be like, fucking, here's where you go. Smack that link in the description.

I'm live every goddamn week. I'm not like that. How often do you stream? I don't think we ask that. But how often do you stream? When can viewers find your life? Mostly I stream every day like once or twice. Oh, wow.

I'm a full-time streamer. It's just a different streamers. You know people who work full-time? They take weekends off, right? I don't. I don't either. I'm not saying, but I don't see every. You know one week has seven days.

Yeah. And some people decide to only work five days. Oh, Japanese people don't. True that, true that. You know what, you know what? You know what? Roll the patrons. Just show the patrons.

Can't even argue with that. I just had to, I just had to. It's just destroying like every culture right now. I know, I know. What do you think of Australia case on? What do you think of Australia? Oh yeah, of course. Australia?

Yes! Yes! What do you like about Australia? Oh, I think they're like, they're fun people. Hell yeah, we are, dog, let's go! Are British people fun? I've never met British. I thought British people doesn't exist.

Like, British. Well, I am a happy boy. You know what, you do the fucking out. All right, let's do the other. I don't want to be on this podcast anymore. All right, if you enjoyed this show, make sure to follow us on Patreon. And Patreon.com slash trash days.

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Hell yeah. On this podcast, we're meant to clown on Americans. Not the Brits. I can't believe I don't exist. Fuck, all the Americans are like first time. Now you know. Is this how the Americans feel? Fuck, man.

Fuck. I'm leaving. All right, have a good one, guys. See you next time. Bye. Bye.