Trash Taste Podcast - Sitting Down with a Professional Cosplayer Jessica Nigri | Trash Taste #113

Episode Date: August 19, 2022

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Who are you? I'm Jessica and I am this person. How's it going? Jessica, I'm this person. Hello. So yeah, we're with Jessica and Eagree. Hello. How's it going?

I'm super good. How are you? Thank you for having me. Yeah, no way. Thank you for coming down. Yeah, because you don't live in LA. No, we drove in from Arizona with Ryan, my boyfriend and my doggy, Cardo.

Hey, yeah, we posted a picture on Twitter. Yeah, we saw of Cardo wearing the trash taste bandetta that you made. I did, I made it like two hours. I'm sorry, okay, sue me. I'm afraid, I'm afraid now people are gonna think we've actually gotten a dog. Yeah, I've already seen the replies

and people are like, they got a dog. Finally! We can barely take care of the point. podcast. Yeah, we can't take care of a dog. Yeah, we can't take care of a dog. So I guess explain to people who are watching this who perhaps may not know who you are and what you do. I'm an elder ho. I've been around. I've been around for a millennia. Is that the technical term? Yes, that or Eldridge whore. So it's, I've been around for a long time. Are you the, it's the maiden. It's the maiden. The boss, the boss, the boss bar comes out, elder ho. Yes. Oh, fuck yeah. I've been, I've been around

for a long time. I've done cosplay, I've done voice acting, I've done some stuff I can't talk about that I can tell you guys off camera. Oh, oh. It's not weird, but it's cool. Fuck, I've just been around for a really long time and I'm very grateful that I'm still around.

How did you get your star? Because I don't even know. It was all mistake. It was all a random. It was the Pikachu cosplay, right? Yeah. Okay, so I would like grew up with like, I grew up getting bullied to shit

for liking anime and all that stuff. Join the car, yeah. Yeah, like we all do. Now anime is cool. What the hell's up with that first cool? You have that tumors, but I'm a little bitter. But like, it's, so I was growing up, liking all that stuff and everything. And then my friend was like my birthday, and he bought me a ticket to San Diego Comic-Con.

And he was like, do you want to go to San Diego? What year was this? 2009. Bro, I met. Oh my gosh. She's so lovely. Ni-hachu. And we were talking about stuff.

And she goes, I was telling her about everything. And she goes, oh, I was born in 2001. And I was like, ugh. Wait, how old is everybody here? I'm 25. He's the young one. He's the youngest, he's 25, I'm 27. I'm 32.

Hey, that's my girl. Let's go, we're gonna die first! We're gonna be in the ground. Yes, anyway, sorry, I got distracted. Go to San Diego Comic-Con. I look it up beforehand and I see the people dress up for it. And so I was like, oh shit, okay, I love Pokemon. Are you gonna do it?

He's just dying to crack out. Before we jump into the story. I know, it's because I'm, I'm not a fresh one up there if you want to get a fresh one. So off camera, Jessica drank our first white claw, which we bought a crate of this, and then nobody's drunk it at all. I only notice, as I was saying it gone earlier, right?

I had a white claw before, and I don't have a great experience with it. But then I just noticed on the can, it says, spiked sparkling water. Yeah. I don't know if the word spiked is a good marketing Usually that means like, oh shit, someone spiked by a drink. It's going down.

So this is like... We're reclaiming the word. Yeah. This is like the drink that I see everyone in fucking L.A. and California drink. 100 calories. Yeah. Oh my God.

It's alcoholic water. It's alcoholic La Croy. I don't even know what La Croy is. You do know. You do know Lerquay. It's like someone farted in the room next door and some of that fart got into your drink somehow in your open glass on the table.

It's like if you got sparkling water and you sprayed perfume on it. All right, all right. That's what that's like. This is just that with alcohol. And Jessica loves it for some reason. Yeah. It tastes good.

I like this. When you get older, you gotta worry about things like your week. When in LA, am I right, boys? Yeah. Cheers. Yeah. Cheers. Cheers. This does not taste good.

I don't know, I like it. This does not taste good. Okay, put a little bit of something else on that. I like it. I think it's good. It's a meal. It's like essence of mango. It's like the mango flavor. It's like, it's like they have.

On calories, baby. It's like they had sparkling water and they just put a mango next door for days. I get it. It's 100 calories. Two crammering carbs. Yeah, yeah, yeah. It's no carbs.

I get that, but it doesn't taste good. I would rather just drink water. You know, let's just call it what it is. It's just alcoholic water, right? No one's drinking, no one's drinking this for the taste because they wanna get drunk. I know, nobody takes alcohol because they like the taste of alcohol.

Unless you do. I do. I like the taste of alcohol. Which one? Name what you like right now. Name all alcohol. I like tastes like wine and soccer. Yeah.

Depends what type of wine though. Like dessert wine? Oh no. Oh, you like your sweet drinks, yeah. You like the girly drinks, a lot of sugar, a lot of sugar, yeah. I like red wine.

You like red wine? Yeah. Well, but like I grew an appreciation towards red wine and I'd say the past like three or four years. Okay, I actually- Same with sake as well. Yeah, same with me, I grew an appreciation. Yeah.

Yeah. I was like, I can afford this bottle. Wine is really depressing when you're broke because it comes in bags and boxes and you're like, this is. I disagree, though, because like I didn't realize how much cheaper wine was in,

Europe compared to Japan where it is expensive. Yeah. But in Europe, it just tastes so much better and you can buy some really good wines. Because they make it there. Yeah. But like as a student, you just want to get like drunk as fast as possible. So wine just wasn't in your vocabulary. No, it was, it wasn't Australia. We had goon bags, which is just like, boxed wine. It was fucking horrible.

How did they form a country? That's just, that was like the cheap, like, Europe-Row college student. It was just goon. There is nothing more depressing than boxed wine. It looks. It wasn't even wine, it was just grape flavor hand sanitizer. Oh, me. It was so, oh, so, so, rain.

I worked on a vineyard for a while when I was like 18 in Marlborough in New Zealand. Yeah, hello. How did that happen? My aunt and I like lived with my aunt and my uncle down in New Zealand for a while because like we were going back and forth when we moved to New Zealand.

Yeah, yeah, yeah. Your accent just kind of shifted then. My aunt, oh dude, my voice is gonna be like, bliv-r-la, all over the place. Yeah, because not many people know, but you're originally from. Okay, so I was born in New Zealand, right? No, I was born in Reno.

Oh, really? So my mom is from New Zealand and my dad is from the States. And she came over to the States and met my dad. And then she was like, come over to have I done New Zealand? And then they came over. And then they went back in force. So they had me and my older brother in Reno. And then we moved.

And then when I was like, I don't remember anything about Reno. But then we moved to New Zealand and they had my little brother, James. Right. And how long did you live in New Zealand for? So I lived there from like three to 12. So like my entire formative like, youth of like who I am is there. Okay, okay.

So like Blinky Bill and all that kind of stuff. And like, fuck yeah. Fuck yeah, Blinky Bill. So I don't know like what like Gumby is. Like when I moved over here, I didn't know have all those like established American like right like childhood shows and everything and it was really weird.

Just Oceania things I guess. So going back to. How dare you? How dare you? What you're talking about? The bridge is common. Did you celebrate the silver, no, the Jubilee, the Diamond Jubilee like we did?

No, sorry, my, oh my God. We do Guy Fawkes though. Yeah, I mean, it's because you get and it's used to get drunk and blow shit up. What is that? That was like, get drunk and blow shit up. Ooh! Yes.

So, so going back to Comic-Con. Oh, yeah. Oh, yeah. I'm bringing it back. I was in Malbrop, but we're like doing the vines. Yes, so I went to Comic-Con and I I looked it up beforehand and I was like, what do people do when they go to Comic-Con? They dress up.

So I was like, fuck, I love Pokemon. I'm gonna dress up as like a sexy Pikachu style thing. I went to Comic-Con. That was insane. I don't think I've ever had. You know those, those cosplay events where they have like the girls in Japan and they're like staying in there and there's like a wall of photographers? Yeah, similar situation with me like way back then.

So my introduction to everything was just hard, fast, just like right off the bat. And I had my actual like full name and everything on my badge. Right. So like when people took photos, they could just zoom in and they saw like Jessica Negri and Phoenix, you know? Enhanced to Zoomify. And so that went like, I would say like viral back in the day for 2009. And then they found me on Facebook.

Oh no. Yeah. But your personal Facebook? My personal Facebook. Oh my, my God. And I found my family and everything and I was like, fuck. So at the time I was like, I'm gonna make a Facebook page so that I can protect everybody in my life.

Yeah. And redirect everyone to this thing. So it was a complete. I wasn't like some master like, oh, now that I've acquired the internet cloud, it's time to focus it into the Facebook page. It was like, oh fuck, my family, make a Facebook page and walk everything down.

And then everything just started to just snowball like crazy. And I was just like, fuck. Yeah, because you kind of, I remember, you kind of came into existence on the internet almost overnight. Yes, it was like really fast, I remember. I got interviewed by my founding fathers, Cassim G. Yeah, I was just,

Yeah, I remember that. Dave days. Holy shit. I was gonna say the first time I saw he was Cassam G. Yeah. Philip, Philib Franco for me. And then I discovered Cassam G after that. Yeah, yeah.

Never forget. Those are my boys, my dads. Yeah, no, so they're the ones that kind of like shot it into trajectory. Trajecturing, there we go. And then every year after that, me and Cassim would be like, do wanna do an interview.

And so we would do like interviews with like California on Comic Con with Casson and stuff. And then I started to just do this consistent thing and I was having a fun time and I was working at Trader Joe's in the dollar store at the same time and I was like I was like shit man oh this is getting a little getting a little crazy I don't know if I can work at both jobs like while I'm doing this and then I just started to speed run you know right yeah speed run speed run speed run she did a speed run right he's going fast all right okay

yeah speed run she's the cast of strut yeah how did you transition like how long was it than a hobby for you before it became a job because it sounds like You just did like one random cosplay that then everything just exploded all I once. So I've tried my hardest to never look at it as like, and this is going to sound really cliche and I'm sure everyone's like, oh, you never work a day on your life when you're waiting 80 hours a week for yourself, you know, like, but like I tried my hardest to not look at it as a job and every costume that I've made or whatever that wasn't like hired by a company or something. I was like, I want this to be something that I want to do.

I'm like, I want to hang out and have fun. And like when I would go do those interviews with Cassim, I wanted to have fun. I just talk to him and be like, I'll fucking love Cass of him, you know? Yeah. So it would be that kind of energy going forward. And then I think it was when I did the audition for the lollipop chainsaw thing. Yeah. Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah.

So they were doing this like back in 2012, my bones. That was 10 years ago, like a week ago. They were doing this IGN search for Juliet Starling. And a friend of mine was like, bro, you should go do this. You love Suda 51. You love No More Heroes. You love James Gun. love Slyther, all those, like, fucked up movies and stuff.

And I was like, okay. And so then I went, and I made the Juliet Starling costume, and I went to go interview. And I remember I was interviewing with these, like, oh, these women were so pretty. Oh, my God. These women were so pretty. And I was just being like, I'm never going to get this. I'm never going to fucking get this. And then I remember I did the interview, and I, like, I flubbed the audition like crazy.

Sorry, I keep hitting you up. I'm so sorry. It doesn't pick it up at all. I flubbed the interview, like, hardcore. and I was like, I fuck this. Whatever, that's fine. I had a great time, what a great time, you know. And then I found out that I had won,

which was really fucking cool. So was it a competition or was it? Yeah, so what they did is they did like a, it was like a search for Juliet Starling, like a representative of like the thing. This is the person who's most like them. Yeah, and like, because what you do is like you do like this voting thing. And so what I did is I did a photo shoot

and then I would put them on the Facebook page. And then people would vote for me and stuff or like, and like you could vote like a certain amount of time of the day. And so I was like, guys, go vote. Cause I got all my friends piled up in like zombie costumes and like just stood on top of them with a chainsaw and was like, woo! You know, and did the whole shoot.

It was really cool. That was such a good game as well. Such a good game. Have you played a lollipolchainsaw? No. It's really good. It's from 2012 though, so go in with a- It's an oldie now.

It's a suit of 51 game and they were all crazy. It was voting but it was also like judges decide. So what we did is they did the voting for like the broad thing a bunch of people across the thing. And then it was like, okay, and then it brought you in kind of thing. Right, right, right.

Yeah. Damn, this sounds really serious for just a competition to find someone who looks like a character in the game. It was really extensive. Yeah, I think they wanted someone to be kind of like, the face, but then also like professional, also like, do they still do stuff like that nowadays? I don't know.

I don't really hear about it anymore. Yeah. I think that was like the early days, you know, where, cosplaying was just starting to become a thing. Yeah. Yeah, like, too worried about people getting canceled and stuff, you know? Maybe.

have shied away from having like one guy as their mascot. Yeah, that's true. I guess it's become like a- mascots that have backfired. Yeah. Bill Cosby, Jared from subway. I guess as well it's like kind of like an inclusivity or like exclusivity problem I guess

where it's like, oh only one person is allowed to cosplay this. True. Yeah, I was thinking about that the other day and I was like that's really very uniquely like early 2000s kind of like yeah. Like hey girl you wanna come interview and you'll be the walletopped cheese on girl?

And I was like, Yeah! You know, like, eh, whatever. It was fun. How big was the cosplay scene back then when you started? I don't, I want to be like, because the cosplay scene has been around for a very long time. I think saying that like, I just happened to kind of come into it and then I'm very lucky to be able to be where I am because of it. And because of cosplay, I am a fan of cosplay. Yeah. But I would never say like, oh, cosplay is now a thing because of like whatever, but because.

Because of me. Yeah. Like that's, I think that's like the, the, the cosplay. complete wrong way to look at it. Cosplay's always been such a huge, huge subculture of Comic-Con and everything like that, massively talented creators and people putting their all into costumes and everything.

Back then it was a lot smaller, I think, with the pandemic and everything popping off and accessibility to costumes and everything, it's popped off. Yeah, I can imagine, yeah, yeah. But like back then, it was indeed smaller. Well, I guess it makes sense because back then, just not even anime, but just like nerd culture in general, just wasn't as big as it is,

So I think I think cosplay the cosplay scene has just grown with how the mainstream has viewed this kind of culture Yes, like that. So there's just like a lot more there's a lot more people doing it now. Yes. Do you feel like the barrier of entry is still just as easy as it was before? Oh, honestly, I'm like there are there are two wolves inside me because like I feel like cosplay is split off into like the super hardcore like crafting people who are like yeah been around and like make their own stuff and everything and then there's like this super accessible all inclusive shit that is just. I just. so good. Like when I look at cosplay, my mind goes costume play. And I don't like like, and the accessibility to costumes is become so amazing these past couple of years. And to be able to see more people just be able to like throw in a costume become their favorite person in the world is like, that's pretty cool. Cool as shit ever. I've noticed as well that like just like even if you can't make your own cosplays anymore, just like buying cosplays has become cheaper. Yes. Oh my God. Like it's become because I remember there was a point where like you would

look up a cosplay even in Japan of like a scobey. school uniform or something. And it was like, you know, two, three hundred dollars plus. Yeah. Now you can get a school uniform for like, as cheap as like, you know, 40 bucks. Yeah, have you seen the quality of the like,

$10? Why do you know that? I know. All right. I've seen this video. Yeah. Oh God. Remember back in the day?

You go to convention and you're like, yo, that guy's wearing a Katsky cloak. Yo, we just got a lot down, man. That looks so cool. So how did he, where did you get that from? Yeah. I want that. There are times where I'm,

I miss those days. I'm like, oh, so like underground. And if like you saw a really, really cold costume, like you had to have made that, you know? Yeah, yeah, yeah. Again, there are two balvines inside of me. And that is that there is accessibility now, which makes it so much better.

Yeah, 3D printing, right? As I imagine, that's been like a big thing. Oh, my God, the 3D printing game is insane. I have some friends who literally have a space like this, and it's just lined with walls of 3D printers. Wow. Yeah. Bindy smalls, she has like, like, 10 3D printers,

and she can be like, oh, you want a full cosplay? And she'll, like, print it out. And she'll like sculpted everything. Wow. It's so amazing. Axe. I didn't know, I didn't know 3D printing had gotten that good

where you could just kind of make like, could you make a whole costume which is 3D printing? Absolutely, yeah. If you take the time to like sculpt it and then like size it to your body, absolutely. Wow. Yeah, it's incredible.

Game changer. Yeah. So like how long did it take you to like learn your skills in cosplay, I guess? Because my mom taught me actually. Your mom taught me? Yeah, because my mom did hats for the like, like, what's it called?

It's like the Kentucky Derby, but it's like in New Zealand. So it's like the, the New Zealand Derby. So it's like the little baby, baby New Zealand derby, you know? So she'd make like those big hats and stuff like that. And she won a couple competitions. And she did this thing in New Zealand called the World of Wearable Arts, which is like, if you're from New Zealand, you know,

it's like this competition where a bunch of people and artists will make, like, wearable things and send them off to models to wear. And then they do like the catwalks. It's really fucking cool. So she has a very creative streak to her. So does my dad. Right. But she taught me how to sew.

And like, she helped me with like my super, super old school dark magician. and girl from like way, way back of the day. Oh my God. Yeah, it was so cool. But yeah. Oh my god, so you just had all the skill sets just like pre-programmed. It's like, mother, I would like to pursue cosplay.

Teach me how to solve. She goes, all right, well, it's time you get a big, push out bra and we'll contour the boobs and send you off. Thank you, Mom. Oh my God. Or like some of you like your most challenging early cosplays to do then. Look, I like, it kind of, I was like.

How long did the Pikachu one take? Like, fucking. four hours, my guy. Have you seen that? Yeah, I see it. I was like I got two dildos, flew to the top of my head with a cardboard zigzag on my ass.

I mean, I was gonna say, compared to some of your laser cosplay, that seems like a very simple cosplay. I head, but the wrong guy, the right way. It's a good time. Oh, my God. Yeah, sorry. Well, yeah, what were the,

what were the toughest ones that you remember from my recent memory? Probably my Cindragosa cosplay, it was probably really tough. Oh, yeah, yeah. Yeah, I, uh, me and my, my friend Zach designed it together and then I made it and it was like the reason why it was so tough was just because there's so many fucking scales and like so many little bits and pieces and everything that were just like yeah stack and I was like this is just how do you decide what you're

gonna cosplay it seems like you kind of do like all the stuff that you wouldn't expect. I love to love it yeah I have to be pyramid head I watched the video where you made it. Oh that was that was so cool yeah I saw the chains saw a man as well pyramid head could tear me apart Throw me to the side of the church and use my blood to create a mural of his close, intimate, and personal relations. And I would be thankful. Yeah, I think my recent favorite one of yours

was the chainsel man when you did it. Oh, that was so fun. That's why we should do music because my brother does music. He did all the music for that. Oh, really? Ryan did the guttural chainsaw. Oh, sick.

Yeah, Ryan did like full death metal growl and everything like that. Hell yeah. You'd be really good to death metal growling. I heard your death metal growl the other day. What? Well, like you did some deep something. That's just his voice. That's just him talking.

Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. Maybe, I don't know, I need training, I think. Could you, could you do like a little bit about, like, right? Yeah. So anyways, do you want to just to use that? What the fuck is there? You sounded like cogma.

No, like a, like a, how do you definitely, you know metal, how do you definitely? Maybe if I was like, crouched over myself. Do you want to try it? Come on, no, no, no. Cratch up with the things. No, no, no, I can't, I can't. I gotta, I gotta, I gotta,

20 minutes, 20 minutes, a little bit of white quality. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, you know, like three more white clothing. Chuck up a couple of white clothes, we get it down, we get it down, it. It sounds just like you auditioning for like the grudge or something like that. Hi, I'm gonna, I'm reading for the part of scream.

Oh, my, ah. But speaking about voices, you did the voice for Supersonica as well. I did do. Oh, yeah, I completely forgot about that. Holy shit. How did that come real? Oh my God.

Um, so. So I did like some work, some cosplay work for Senta Filmworks. And they were super, I fucking love it. They're so lovely. They were really nice and they were like, hey, we're looking for an English voice actor. Do you wanna be the voice of Supersona? And I was like, I'm not a voice actor, but okay.

Man, voice acting is so hard. It is so fucking town. Did you have like zero voice acting experience before? Zero. I had like, I think I did a little bit of like Cinderfall for Monty. I fucking love you, Monty. Monty had so much faith in me.

But that's like the only experience that I had and then I did Super Sonica. How was that? I haven't listened to it. I mean, you sounded good, I think. I think. I don't know, maybe it's because, maybe it's because when I watched Super Sonica,

I knew it was you. Yeah, so you were giving me the best. And I was just like, that's Jessica, yeah, let's go, let's go! Okay, so you were looking at me like a proud parent. Yeah, like a, like a friend Brand had just done something like, Cool, Anna.

What was the general consensus? I don't think, if I could redo it, I would love to you because I feel like these days, I would, for what it was and the skills that I had back then, it was what I could do. You know, I think if I did it now, it would be so much better because I think you just learn so much more as you get older.

And like so many different ways to adjust your voice and your tone and everything. Even with Cinder Fall, you listen to Cinder in the first couple seasons and then Cinder now, the change is like so different. Oh yeah. Yeah. Yeah.

Like I wish I had like had what I, I wish I could do now what I do this, this version of me back then. Right. Everyone's gonna start somewhere right. Exactly. Yeah. Especially that was like one of your first big roles.

In a big show. Yeah. Yeah. Which was pretty big and nuts. And then they had me back for the video game too. Oh wow. And so I was just like, are you sure? They were like, yeah, it worked around the first time.

Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. Yeah, yeah, you'll be right. Like, do not get me wrong. I am so incredibly appreciative that I got to do that. Like, what an insane. That's an opportunity not many people care. Yeah, especially for their first role. Like, oh my gosh.

Did you deal with any criticism at all from like people being like, oh my gosh, she only got it because she's popular? I'm sure, yeah. Honestly, I don't really look at too much stuff. Yeah, the real question is, did you give a shit?

Small idea. Like, there's a part of me, there are two wargans inside me. And, uh, There's always two. Always two. It's on that fucking t-shirt, right? Okay, I wanted to make sure

you were referencing the meme I understood. But I'm changing it, so it's not, I see now, I get it. It's a fucking weird t-shirt where it's like, there are two wolves inside of me, and one of them's like, I'm in Sigma, and they always like, I'm gay. Yes, oh my, this is the best wolves, same, wolf.

It was a good, it was good, it was good. Same. What was I saying? Where did I go? Oh, I'm, no, with a, so with, like, seeing criticisms like that. I usually like try to just stay away from like looking at that kind of stuff.

Yeah, yeah, yeah. Because I know that it would just destroy me. I also, it also applies though with like numbers and stuff like that. Right. So I apply that whole kind of mentality and blanket to everything. Right.

Because I think it has helped me really a lot because I remember I was talking to Phil like way back in the day. And he said something like that and he was like, you know, just kind of, you know, what color is, up must come down. So prepare yourself.

And I was like, oh, okay. So then if I just never kind of know how big or small, then I won't be like sad when it's no longer a thing, you know? I'm glad you took it that way, because it could have easily taken it as well, if I just never go down. Oh my God.

Well, yeah, like I do see that with some creators. Because some people think of like that, right? Yeah. Even if you have a general upwards trajectory, there's always like months or weeks, or weeks where it goes down. Of course. You're like, falling off.

I'm gonna, I'm down. Yeah, and you have to have that like, full conversation with yourself is like, no, my content's not who I am. You know, and you have to have that real, like, real, real, real therapy session. Do you have to therapy? No.

Boys! Boys! Do you exercise? I exercise. Okay, okay, exercise also therapy is good for your brain. He doesn't exercise. You need to get him on it. I don't physically exercise, I'm mentally exercising.

I exercise in my mind, which is exactly the mind. It's the same as physical exercise. I know how to solve a Rubik's Q. Okay, that is pretty sick. I did see that. I've never done therapy, but even if I wanted to, right? Let's say I wanted to get a therapist in Japan.

Oh, true. Yeah. Yeah. I've heard of some therapists in Japan that speak English and I've heard horrible, horrible things. Oh, I didn't even think of that. Yeah, it's really, really hard to find. I've done therapy before and it's like, since moving to Japan, it's almost like impossible

to find like an in-person therapist. If you wanna do it, it's probably gotta be online. And it's- I do wonder if that's a good option, because there was a time where, like, I was talking to someone online. And it was like, it was so nice. Just to talk about, just to get, like, validated in your feelings and stuff like that. And just to get certain things. Yeah, it definitely is helpful, but I feel like you do lose a little bit,

like not being there in person, you know, there's... There is a party language that they read. Because online, it feels like there is, like, a wall. Like, like, you don't really feel like you talk to a person sometimes, even though you know there's a person on the other side. There's just, especially when you're talking about some really, really intimate things, just like that extra connect. and the extra like human connection

can really help, I feel. Also, you know, you run the risk of like pouring your heart out and then they'll just be like, oh sorry, the connection, what did you say? You don't want that in a therapy session. POV, Australian and internet. Like, sorry, I'm in Australia. What did you say? Could you read that?

So I'm going through a tunnel right now. Sorry, my wife's calling me, give me a safe. Yeah, you don't want that. Yeah. So what is like the process of, making a cosplay because all of my experience and knowledge comes from watching dress up darling and that's it and I like know nothing about what goes on behind the scene basically in terms of making a costume

no that's fair um actually yeah it had a lot of like stuff that was uh pretty accurate yeah like um the research phase and stuff like that getting a guy that will do it for you no okay getting a bottom that will go for you make this for me no um doing a lot of like the the planning process or honestly before that finding something that you're in love with. Okay. Because I feel like 90% of the time when you're like in that cosplay crunch and you want to like throw everything out and you're like this is fucking balls. I hate this shit. Your love of the character drags you through the glass, you know?

And you go like oh I fucking love this. I don't fucking care. Like I need like no no sleep. You know, I'm gonna do this. How much time do you normally put into a costume? It can depend. It really depends. I have like a mental timer. It's about one to two weeks. where if I'm gone beyond that, I will forget about it. I made a gentleman Chogath and it took longer than two weeks and it disappeared

and I don't know where it is. You made a gentleman Chogat? Yeah, sexy gentleman Chogh because she disappeared because I didn't finish it because I had the stiletto feet and everything. That sounds so good.

I had the fucking. Chogath is a monster from League of Leger. Yeah, it's like fucking ugly. Oh, that's why you're so great. That's why I don't need a therapist. That's why he's happy. That's why I'm happy.

That's why it doesn't need therapy, okay? You play a league? Yes, I did, I did, okay, I did. That's true. And then I got therapy. And then I've been league free. Oh, no, I've been getting back into A-Rams lately, and it's been great. This episode is sponsored by Apari.

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You were talking about how you were making your cosplay before that, before you got distracted, yes. I have, yeah. So one to two-week timer of like, how long I can work on something, just because I personally don't want to put that much, like, energy into something. And then, you know,

because, like, there is a time where you can become too hyper-focused on something and it can, like, make you go a little nuts because then you're, like, you're ultra-focused on all the different details, and you're just kind of like, wha. So you've got to let it go. You've got to send it out into the universe. Right.

Yeah. So it's usually about that. And then you, like, the creation process is like... I've seen you post, like, you did the Iron Mouse one recently. And you were like, oh, I was that one. Yeah, I was awesome. Yeah.

And you did it, like, it's a quick cosplay. What does that mean? What does that, how fast? Like, like four or five days, I would, Ryan's back in here, but I would like, wake up on your mouth, sleep, wake up, on enough sleep, you know, like, ball, ball, ball, like.

I was like, I think I was watching like, ex-ccusy gamble or something. I was just like, you're, the whole time. You're watching mouse? During that period? So I didn't wanna, like, I didn't wanna, I did watch mouse, but like, I didn't wanna like, do that in case it

but like, I don't know. I don't know. distract you from. Yeah, because her stuff is so cute. And so she makes, I don't know, I love her as a content creator. She inspires the ever-loving shit out of me. Yeah.

Her attitude about everything and just like the way that she tackles everything going on and her, I'm just like, you're fucking awesome. Yeah, yeah, she is. Agreed. Shout out to high, Malas, right? Yeah.

I am going to send it to her too, so. Yeah, she said that, yeah. So when you said one to two weeks, it's one to two weeks, full on every day, you wake up, you do cost you, you sleep. Oh my God. Oh, boom, boom, bo, bo.

I mean, I guess that's become your job at this point, right? Yeah, but it's like a, it's like giving birth and then, uh, why is it like getting birth? I need you to finish that sentence right now. You bring a baby into this? Yeah, or it's like taking a big poop and then you do it and then you want to like take a break.

That is a form of giving birth. Yeah. And then I, and then I usually like go, you gotta raise it up, You know, you know, but I assume like, you know, taking pictures and doing all that stuff also takes a long time. Yes, yeah. So Ryan will actually take my photos and then we'll send it off to someone to edit either

Martin or our friend Robbie and like that's, that's really, I'm so lucky that Ryan is able to take my photos too. Because it's like a comfortability thing as well. So if I'm like, Ryan, take a photo of my asshole. He's like, I got you, baby, you know? Sprint it. Oh my God. Is that a normal topic?

Absolutely. What incredible. I've been on a photo shoot with Jessica in Hawaii. Oh yeah. The one at the waterfall. That's right. Was I in my nar or my Voljin? I think it was your Voljin one.

Oh, the War Chief. I don't play WOW. I don't play Woff. Oh, the War Chief. I made a Volgene cosplay and I did a photo shoot in a waterfall in Hawaii. You gotta go to Hawaii. Hawaii, Hawaii. Hawaii, I love you.

I went with you. Let's go. I was there. I was literally there with you on that shoot. Oh, man. That was so fun. So, yeah, it's like, It's pretty full on.

Like you get into your cosplay and you're kind of like in the zone because depending on like how you made things because when I make stuff quick sometimes it like really hurts me when I work because I don't take the time

to like make it comfortable. And so then we do the shoot and then usually like if there's with this particular case like we went to the convention right after. Right. Which was rough.

Yeah. Like we got up and we like airbrushed in the hotel and then we went to the jungle took photos and then came back. Came back. Touched up again

and then went to the convention for like eight hours or whatever or six hours. That whole convention experience was rough. Oh man. Because every morning, Jess would be like, we're doing something. I know.

And like, six in the morning. And I'm like, and Aki and I were like, we have to do a panel in like four hours. It's just like, I don't give a fuck. You're coming with me. Didn't you go like hiking or something? Three hours before your panel? Oh my God. This is like the toughest morning of my life.

All right. So it was like the second to last, I think it was like one of the busiest days of the corner. It was Saturday. It was a Saturday. Baby. Of a Honol-A-Wa Comic Con. Amazing Hawaii Comic Con. That's right.

On Honoluluu. Yes. And it was like six in the morning and just was like, we're gonna go hiking. And I'm like, okay, but we have to be back at the convention in like, you know, like nine or 10 or whatever. I think it was like, yeah, it was like 10. It was like 10 or something.

And it's just like, no, it'll be an easy hike. So then we drive out like an hour to this mountain called Cocoa Head, which is on Hawaii. Like one of the hardest climbs I've ever done in my life because the entire mountain is like a 50 degree incline. So it's a it's a mountain. It's a mountain that was originally a lookout post. So at the top of the hill, they had a train track

that would go up, like directly straight up. And then on top was like a lookout and you could see out over the ocean. So what they did is they removed the train track and so now you can walk up it as a hike. But at some points, when you get to the top of it, it gets so steep, you literally have to use the train tracks as a ladder to climb.

Yeah, that sounds good. It's great. It's great, but that's like a light walk for you, Jess. Yeah, it was like 15 months. She got up in like 15 minutes. Meanwhile, Aki and I are like, because we're not used to it, right? So we're just like fucking struggling.

Halshi killed it though. Well, she was dead at the top. Yeah, true. She was. There's this great photo where it's like all of us, just like this, this amazing view of Hawaii, just like this. And then in the corner you can just see Aki

face down on the ground, just dead. And then Jess is like, don't worry, I got you. And she pulls out of five hour energy and she's just like, feeding it to her. She just springs up and she's like, all right, I'm ready to go. It's just fucking bolts down the mountain. I love.

Aki, the whole time, I was like, dude, do you want to, you want to turn around? She goes, she goes, no, no, I want to do that. Like, she was so determined for no reason. I was like, she inspired the shit out of me, man. I was like, yes, yes, we will do this. We will ride, you know? Like, I was so fucking pumped because Aki was so pumped. She was like, no, no, no, no, no, no.

Go ahead, go ahead, go ahead. And I was like, right. And then she almost died. Yeah, she was, oh, man, she was bad so many times. It was pretty hot that day as well. It was pretty. We were like August, right? When is Hawaii?

I think it's, I think it's in August. It's like, I remember it was really freaking hot. Because like it's Hawaii, so like I assumed it was hot. So I just, I just, I was curious like how hot was this. I was like dripping sweat. Yeah. Yeah. Oh my gosh, the oceans was sick.

Tried to take Aki into the death. Oh yeah, Ryan and Aki almost died. Wait, what happens? So, Ryan and Aki almost died. I know, so we were on Waikiki Beach and we were just like hanging out because we had like a free afternoon or something, right? So it was just like, yeah, let's just fucking go to the beach.

So it was me, Jess, Ryan and Aki and then they were out, and then Aki was out in the ocean and then I guess there was like a really bad current that day. Right. So she kind of got swept out a little bit. And I think Ryan immediately saw that was like, I'm gonna go help her out. Yeah, Ryan went full like Terminator.

I got Aki. So Ryan jumps in and grabs her, and then immediately, it was kind of like blocked off by this like a stone wall of sorts. Right, right. And then so I guess like so that, you know, dangerous wildlife doesn't come into like this safe area. But the problem was with this stone wall

to let the water come in and out. There's like a little crack on the wall. The most deadly channel. Yeah, and it's literally just a channel of water rushing in and then rushing out over and over again. And but because there was a current, it just took Ryan and Anecke and just swept them out. Sucked them so quickly.

Just swept them straight out into this open water. And the entire time Jess and I just like standing on the coast, just like, ha ha, oh. Oh. Ah. It went from like playful laughter to like genuine consumer. Yeah, we had our two little, like a little bottle of Malibu and like orange juice.

We're standing there like, oh, there goes Ryan. Oh, Ryan's, oh Ryan's got there as well. And then the, the like, and then the lifeguard had to come out. Active lifeguard comes out. With like the surfboard and everything, like put Ryan and Aki onto the surfboard, be like, you guys almost drowned out there.

We were like, oh, meanwhile, we were standing on the beach laughing her ass off with the Maliborna. Poor lifeguards are fucking tourists. Like you're fucking out there. I can't tell them not too. Shout out Ryan for saving my girlfriend. What a man.

Wow, wow. What a line. Shout out to the lifeguards as well. Yeah, shout out lifeguards. Saving Ryan. Yeah, shout out of lifeguards for saving Ryan. It's like a double rescue. Yeah.

What that meme where the drink is pouring and pouring and pouring, the lifeguard saves are like, Ryan saves Aki. It's like the giant, like the domino meme. Yes. Yeah. Yeah.

Yeah. That was fun though. We should go back. Yes. You guys haven't been to Hawaii yet. Oh, I really, really wants to go. It's fun as far. But you guys were lucky,

you go invite you to a convention. That's just a free trip. Well, Aki and I got invited because of Jess. Oh, okay. Because Jess knows the organizer. You should bring these cool YouTubers over there. You just, look us up.

Jess, hook us up. Hey, Jimmy. I'm looking at you. Bring them. That has one specific Jimmy. It is Jimmy. I feel like Hawaii is one of those places you don't need to go to to know you'll like it.

You just like, I just know I like Hawaii. The convention scene to there is so lovely. It was really chill. Oh my God, the people are so fucking cool and so nice. And like, you get there and then the immediate vibe is just like, ah. How much time did you spend at the convention

versus just in Hawaii itself? I think we were there for like six hours a day, like at our tables? Yeah, I think so. Because, yeah, it was like four to six hours, I'd say. Because like we did a panel every day and we did a signing every day. So it was like, yeah, at least like a four hour

like commitment a day. But luckily like all of that stuff was done in the morning. So we would normally be done by like one or two PM. So it's when they like split it off. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Two hours in the morning. I think I think they knew that they were just like,

we want you to actually just like go out and enjoy Hawaii. So we'll just do all your commitments all at once and then you can just fuck off and do whatever you want. Jimmy. That's how you run a convention. My man Jimmy. Do you wanna get them like close to you something?

Oh shit. Sorry. Sorry, I'm like leaning. You're looking back, so. I'm just trying to put another pillow behind you if you want. Maybe I'll just. It might fall. Is that better?

Oh yeah, that's the perfect. Yeah. I, when I did this video where I got like a really expensive cosplay made in Japan. And made, made. Oh, created, yes. Sorry, sorry, sorry. And fuck, that was hard.

The whole. Is that the one with Cahoe? Yeah. Yes. That was like made me realize, fucking hell, this is awful. It's fucking. It's fucking.

It sucks. Like it was a fun experience because I kind of didn't need to actually do that much. Yeah. But I had to keep turning up to like these sizing things. Yeah, I must have got to like six of them? Yep. And it was like, okay, haven't you already took the measurements?

And it's like, we size and then we size again. And then like, don't get fat because we gotta size again in two months. And they sized me again, you got fat, we gotta change it. Oh no. Yeah, so it was a whole nightmare. And then when I finally got the costume,

it like looked good in the photos, but like in real life I was like, this sucks. Really? Really? Just because of like, I think because the way that it was made, like, and the way that it reflected light, not in photos, looked really weird.

Right. But also, like, my ass is big and it definitely wasn't made to have more room. So when I was like sitting down, it was like, oh no, okay, I can't. No, you can accommodate the dumpy. Couldn't, couldn't, couldn't, could not accommodate the dumpy. Could not sit down. Yeah.

It was just like, I was like, I do not wanna do this for more than two hours. Yeah, no, that's so fair. I had it off in like two hours. And I was like, the thought of doing this all day made me like want to faint. Yeah, I was only wearing that Iron Mouse costume for like, two hours to like, to take the photos.

And then I was like, who, who, who, who, who, who. I have, like, infinite respect for people at, like, anime expo or, like, summer conventions who were just out in full fucking cosplay. I don't know, just, like, because I think, like, I don't know if he's gonna be there this year. Yeah. But, like, I remember every year at Anime Expo,

there is a dude who dresses up in a full-on Gundam cosplay. Yeah, yeah. made out of like cardboard boxes. And it's like huge. Like, you know, he has like the adjustments on his feet so he stands up a lot taller. And I'm like, how are you standing out here? Right.

Like all day, covered in cardboard. I remember that one time we went to anime expert and it was like during the LA heat wave. Oh yeah. Which is like definitely fucking hot. And I see people walking around and like full on armor cosplay. I'm like, how are you not dying of heat stroke right now?

But that's when guys figured out, guy cosplayers figured out, they were like, I could just cosplayers Luffy and I can have an open shirt. It's like barely any fabric on me. But what if you got like a dad bod? Not everyone wants to, no one feels comfortable. You're kidding, Dadbot, Luffy.

You're hot as shit, hell yeah. No, everyone feels comfortable. Yeah, if he wants to do it, then yeah. It's like Luffy 30 years later. Well, I mean there's plenty of scenes where Luffy is very full and he has a big stomach. Yeah, exactly. You just say it like that, right?

He's robber. Yeah. Another thing I found really difficult was posing. Yes. How the fuck do you learn how to pose? What was that so crazy? I was so annoyed. How the fuck did I do it?

They were like, look. this way and then I looked that way and they were like, oh, no, no, no, no, no, look at that. Okay, so I wonder, I wonder, because like, there are books that you can purchase. What? Yes, there are, but they're like, in, like, cosplay books in Japan that you can purchase. And they're like, these models are incredible.

Oh my God. Really? When you find a good pose that you like, that your body, like, does what you want it to do, you spam the other living shit on that pose. Like, it's like an emote, right? You just spam the emotes every time. There's this pose that I liked with my butt, and it would be like this twisty, like, leg up thing

that I would do. And I like it would like make everything nice and tight here and then like booty big there and like Ryan would have to get on his knees to accentuate and everything. But I was like every damn photo shoot. We're going to get that shot and we're going to full send it. So I agree. I think posing is difficult. Do you take like from like modeling books or like just like standard modeling as well or is it a little bit different? I look at like a lot of like my friends poses and stuff like that or like people on Instagram or like you know just like on social media and stuff like some of girls just get like the really good like super like lower angles.

or like, Yeah. She just did her thing and I was like, what do I do I do? I also think when you're in that kind of industry where you're like, your body is your product. You know what to do. You know, you need to know kind of like the vibe

of what you do. Because when I started doing modeling shoots, I had to buy modeling books. Yeah. Because I didn't know what the fuck to do. We've done one shoot together. How do I move my body? Streetwear too is very different kind of posing, right?

Like you have to be really like, kind of like, oh, I don't even know what I'm doing. Yeah, exactly. We've done one shoot together and Joey fucking solo carried everything. He's just like, do this, go on, do this. And I'm like, oh, does this look good? Does this look goofy? I have no fucking clue.

Because one thing I never got, like, one thing I learned on that shoot is sometimes your body feels really fucking awkward in like certain poses and you're like, there's no way this is going to be good. Yeah, because like a really common pose is to like, you know, for modeling, for example, that I learned is like just having your hand behind your head like that. Yeah. No one does that in real life. So when you do it.

What are you talking about, Joey? So when you do it in a shoot, it's like, this is fucking weird. This does not look good. But it always ends up looking good. Yeah. Yeah. So it's like, that's just what I've learned. The more awkward I feel while taking a photo.

Most of the time, it's gonna look good. I remember there was one photo I took where you, I was like sitting on like the chair, the stool or something. I'm like, I feel like fucking a gremlin right now just like sitting like this. I feel like L, I'm like, there's no way this is gonna look good. And somehow Luke made it look really fucking good. Luke is very talented.

Yeah, yeah. Yeah, good. I think you guys looked awesome. The, was it the suit shoot that you guys I thought you all like swag as fuck. Thank you. Do you, did you ever have to take inspiration from like models outside of cosplaying?

Oh yeah, absolutely. Right, right. Like there's a lot of like the women before us, you know, like the those that walked so we could run. Why did you quiver when you said, the women are, because I'm bisexual. And women are great. I was just quivering at all.

Women, yeah, no, like you take a lot of inspiration from other like magazines or like just stuff that you see on TV or like some, or even from anime. Yeah. Try to recreate what the character. Exactly. Jojo poses.

Yeah dude. Yeah. Folecious. That reminds me. I got hats. Oh yeah. Oh, you got hats? Yeah, oh yeah, I bought hats.

But they're like cursed. Well, I'm not really cursed. We should wear them. All right. I got hats. Because you guys are gonna be in California and it's gonna be really sunny outside. So I figured, you know,

just get a couple little Joe kind I like your hat. Man, I love frogs. Yeah, I do love frogs. Speaking of. That's for you. All right, all right, all right, finally.

How do you not have that already? I do now. There you go. I love the orange as well. Yeah. It's such an ugly orange. It's really ugly. That's really.

Oh my God. What is it? I love my sister. I'm so, thank you. you mom for making me an only child. Why did you get this from? I just got him on Amazon. I was like, I was like, just.

So guys, I heckin love milk. Guys, do you want to take a trip to Alabama quickly? Yeah, right. While we're here in the US. Okay, do you remember when you were like obsessed with that, oh shit, what off is that boy? Yeah, of course. I found this.

Fuck yeah. Oh shit, what off is that boy? Oh my God. I didn't know they made these. I also have a secondary mill pat. If anybody wants to, you know, change teams. What is it, can I see? It's black.

I think you should keep the orange. You need the orange. I don't look good in hats, those things. What are you talking about? It looks awesome. Actually, that suits your shirt. No, it looks really good. That actually suits you.

Oh, shit, what the fuck? What the fuck, Joey? That actually looks good up. And I also got this Jojo hat. I don't know why. That's why not, why not, why not. I don't know, where we go. Damn.

Jojo, Joey's one step closer to becoming the dad now. Shit, what up is that boy? Thank you for my new gift. I actually will use this. Thank you. It's a good hat. I think so too. Well, I guess I know what I'm wearing.

Why do you look like, what do you look like a truck driver? Yeah, it's a truck a hat. It's a truck a hat. They have the like the shitty cheap mesh. And God looks like he's at like a little league game. No! No! I don't know why.

It makes your hand look really small. I hope you don't normally wear hats for a reason. Yeah, me neither. I don't wear hats either. How do I look? Thank you so much for my gift. I'm honest. You're welcome.

Thank you very much. Thank you. I'm gonna wear it for the rest of the episode now. Jesus Christ. So I'm so curious, like, okay, so you got into the cosplay scene like, I guess, late 2000s. What was the convention experience like back then? Because, you know, now we have a lot of boundaries

that are set with our convention, you know, like, you know, cosplays, not consent and everything like that. What was your experience? Well, let's start with the question is, your first convention was what year? Oh, so, like, yes, that was a, like the first time that I went as like just on my own was 2009.

Right. And that was very like overwhelming because I was only 19 then. And I was like it was I was there with my friend. I didn't have my parents or anything. So it was this very like, oh my gosh, I'm dressed as sexy Pikachu. Look at all these people taking my photo. My gosh, this is pretty intense. But I guess I'm just going to smile, you know?

Right, right. But it, it, uh, that was that. And then I would go only to San Diego Comic Con every year until like 2011. I think it was. Okay. Yeah. And then I remember my first ever guest convention. was anime revolution in Vancouver,

which is an amazing convention that I love everybody that runs that con. Highly recommend, oh my God. Okay, okay. So good. I love Canadians. It's so delicious. No, because, like,

because were you around during, like, the glomping era or, like, the Yowie paddle era? Oh, I think I just missed that. Yeah, but I remember seeing, I remember seeing Yawi paddles and being like, yeah, yeah. And then I remember like- Good idea you missed that.

Yeah, and then like the caramel dancing, glomping phase, you know, like I think I dodged all that, I dodged all the glomps and everything. I would see it in the halls though, with the little homestuck kids and I'd be like, what are you guys doing? You didn't miss like the free hugs era, did you? Free hugs era. Did that ever die?

No, it's still happening. No, it's still happening. It's just not many people go up to them anymore. Yeah, yeah, I think, I don't know. I think I was really lucky in my convention and experience where I learned really early on that I need to have people around me to like kind of thing.

And then I skirted it around and I was kind of like, okay, let's just, we're gonna keep, you know. Yeah, yeah, yeah. I think that is pretty lucky because I, I've hear a lot of stories back there where people did not know boundaries at all, especially when it came to like cosplayers, you know? Yeah, I've been, I've been, yeah.

Well, I mean, that's what started the whole like cosplay is not consent movement. Yeah, because people- said that you even need to have that, right? Yeah, you think it's common knowledge, but. Well, because what people will do is they'll come right up to you and they'll look at your costume and they'll start touching your costume.

And that's something that is like, okay, what do you, what do you, what the fuck is this? You know, like, but, um, but that's why, like, glomping was such a nightmare. Oh my God, it was terrible. Because it's like, you're literally in a hall full of people you've never met before. Yep.

Yeah. Probably not very hygienic either. Yep. Yeah. And then just suddenly, you could just get hug tackled from behind. Yeah. And there's nothing you could do about it. What I want to know is how it became a trend in the first place.

It's, it's, it happens in anime. all the time. Do you remember? Like people would come home and like, they'd like, like in Lovehina. There was that one character would always like dive bomb everybody and like. And yeah, they would always get fucking punched, right? Yeah.

That was what happened in anime. Yeah. I feel like it's like, you know, it's like one of the only times that anime fans feel like they can kind of let loose and they get like a little bit carried away. Yeah, definitely. Yeah. You know, and it's sad.

There was a time where we were, we were at a convention and there was a guy and he was like, filming my bum and Ryan just came straight up. I love Ryan so much. Oh my God. I've got scary dog privileges with Ryan. He looks so scary but he's the sweetest guy. But he came right up to the guy and he was like, you can't do this right now. And he was like, why not? Why not? I'm at a convention. I can do what I want. He goes, you want to take, we got to take, you got to leave like a ride calling like security. Ryan is like the best Goddine angel you could have

had. He is. He saved me so many times. But yeah, so then the guy was like, no, no. And then we had our other friend come over and he was like, nah, you're out. And then they, He actually got kicked out, which was really great. Good, right. So, yeah. Yeah. Because like, I think back then, just being at an anime convention,

it felt like there was, because anime was like so underground, it was so rare to meet someone else who also like watched anime, let alone like an entire room full of people who watched anime. So it kind of felt like, oh, I guess all social boundaries are like out the window now, right?

Because we're all friends, because we like the same thing, right? Yeah, we're all anime fans, we're all friends. Yeah, yeah. So we're all DTF, right? We all like anime. It's like, no, we're not. DTF.

Down to friend. Down to friend. I've never heard of that before. Down to fuck. That's okay. DTF is normally down to fuck. Oh, okay, yeah, okay, okay. But in this case, it was down to friend.

Okay, I get it. It was a terrible... What? DTF. Yeah, remaking down to fuck to down to friend. Yeah. This is not a good way. This is worse than the two walls being changed.

Yeah. You don't like my two walls? I think you've ever done it. Twice. We need a new one. You've done it twice. I'll bring another one. Bring another one.

Is there anything you miss about the old school convention scene? Probably just how much smaller it was, to be honest. And then it sounds, I know that sounds a little bit like, but it's like. No, but it's true, like the smaller conventions I've always had a better experience at. Yeah. Just because it's like more like, especially when you're like within the crowd,

you just feel like you're actually being involved in the entire scene. The issue with a lot of the really big ones is that it feels extremely corporate. Like a lot of the time, it's not kind of, The idea of Comic-Con has become like that. Right, like it shifts away from showing off actually cool shit people are interested in

into, hey, we're a company, we want to have a spot in this thing to show off our thing. Especially just turns to E3, like. Yeah. Yeah, I mean, but it's like a life span of a con. Oh yeah, and by the way, there are some cosplays here. Yeah, yeah, it happens, right? Because I guess if the con gets big,

the con wants more money and then, yeah. The cons of business, right? Damn you, capitalism. But like, you know, there are a lot of cons that are like, we're just not gonna go above this size. We're not gonna sell any more tickets. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

This is what it is. If you get a ticket, you get a ticket. There's a bunch of those in the UK as well. It's pretty much all of them in the UK. I can't think of a single big- Except MCN. I don't really count MCM. Right.

Well, like anime-con specific. MCM's like a comic con, so it's a bit of everything. But in terms of anime cons in the UK, the biggest it gets is about like a thousand people, I think. Yeah, and the tickets all sell out on like the first day. Yeah, yeah, it's very hard to. Yeah. There's this one convention that I've been dying to go to and it's in,

I think it's in Poland and it's called Photocon. And it's, you have to like sign up beforehand get to it. You have to be like approved and everything. And it's in this gorgeous little town in Poland and they have access to all the different like churches and like ruins and like fields and stuff. And you literally go there as a cosplayer with your photographer and just take photos for the weekend. And it's just this like magical like utopia of like cosplay and photographer and I want to go so bad. That sounds sick. Yeah. That would just be cool to like just use as an excuse to go around cool places in Poland as well. Exactly. Even if you're not a cosplay, just be like yeah, I just want to

some nice photos at a church. Yeah, exactly. That's why I wanna go to Hawaii con so I can like explore Hawaii for the first time. Oh my gosh. That's, I think though that's the thing is that like, personally for me, I'm just like gonna use conventions as an excuse to go travel.

Yes, that's what we did. Yeah, yeah, we did that from like 2012 to 2019. Yeah, yeah, it was amazing. So like in like your most busy period, how many conventions would you hit up or like your job? Um, you were going to a lot, I remember. So many, we were like, there was one year we did like 30, or something and it was just like,

were they all in America? Were they all over? That's more than half the year. Yeah, yeah, it was pretty, it was pretty nuts. Yeah, that's like, that's like three, almost, yeah, two or three a month. 25, 30, yeah, it was a lot.

And then there was like some where, because I remember we went to San Diego Comic Con and we went to like, Australia and then, no, because we would like bounce around depending on like what it was, you know, like Canada, we went to Spain. Festadil Unicorno.

was in Italy. Right. It's amazing. If they ever invite you, it's so amazing. It's literally in this town called Vinci, which is where Leonardo da Vinci, like kind of grew up. And it's in Tuscany and you get to go to this like,

oh, it's amazing. Like the, I got to wear my blood elf in this like Tuscan town and like the food is amazing. Who doesn't like Italian pizza? I think American pizza is better than Italian pizza. Ryan? Ryan. Ryan agrees.

Yeah, Ryan agrees. I just think it's got a little more sustenance to it. It's got a more weight to it. I think it's two different things entirely. I would agree. Yeah, I agree. But for me, if you like have to make me choose one, I'd go for American style.

Wrong, wrong. I'm not saying that like it is unequivocally better in any sense. I just, that's what I would go for. Two different things. I like, there are two pizzas inside of you. There are two pizzas. I just like how an American pizza fucks you up.

You feel disgusting after. Like you feel so full, like an animal. Yeah, down the, yeah. It's DTF. That's seen from Dodgeball where he like shoves the pizza in his pants. Is that you? Yeah, yeah, yeah.

All right, you and Ryan are those things. Ryan's vegetarian, so he's like, oh, fucking whole Caesar's cheese pizza off. Yeah, cheese pizza's the best, though. Like it always goes the hardest. Yep, that's right. Except you have the shits for the next like two days. Nice and skinny?

I'm not like toast. I'm good. No. Whatever. Why are you getting the shits from a pizza? Because it's so much cheese. Lactose. Like you're literally shitting through a straw

after a pizza. No, no, no, no, it's fine. It's horrible. That's your Japanese genes, giving you lactose intolerance. What? Because Japanese people don't know how to eat pizza. It's like 90, 80% of people are lactose.

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I we were it was so fun meeting and connecting with people. Right. That I was just so addicted to just being able to like see the people that were just being so fucking cool online. Because you just have that like natural high energy. Yeah, I've noticed. Like when I saw you in, like, when I saw you in Hawaii at your like signing, I was like,

it was like really fucking professional because you were just like, you gave so much attention and just like enthusiasm to every single person regardless of like how shy or not they were. Yeah. And then, you know, every now and then you'll get those like weirdos because obviously you're going to when you're in that field, right? But like you just handled it like a fucking prop.

You're so nice. Yeah, I'm jealous. I wish I could be as high energy as you because I saw one of your signings in AX. I remember thinking like I saw you like gave everyone a hug. You were just like so friendly with everyone. I'm like, fuck man. I just give people a handshake and a picture.

And then I just say thank you. Everyone's boundaries are different though, you know? Like I think my appreciation is, that's just how I, I want them to know how appreciative I am of everything that they've given to me. I have still probably imposter syndrome hardcore because I feel like I was just at the right place, at the right time and the right thing, you know?

And so anybody who was, Who wasn't though? True, but like, I don't know. I feel like I'm very of the like, put out into the world what you wanna like kind of receive. And so that, but then also just appreciating. Just appreciate you. But I do see you as someone who is also

like very hypercritical of themselves, right? Oh yeah. Yeah. I mean, I guess most people in that field are, I would say, yeah. I would say most cosplayers are, right? I think I watched your documentary on Rouser Teef. Oh, you did? Yeah, I watched it.

I had to sign up to a fucking rooster teeth membership to fucking. Thanks for watching it. I canceled it right after I was. Good idea. I'm sorry, Rooster Teeth. There was nothing else I wanted to watch. I think I was just curious.

I was like, well, what could it be? Like it's a documentary. I'm like, well, I'm going on. It was. Yeah, it was really good. I wish it was longer. Why was it so short? Oh, because we're just like a little.

You know, that's me? It's done. Yeah, it's just. I got, I got, I got dig, dug into my couch. I was ready and I'm like 30 minutes. Is it right, we're right, just little guys. It's not even a treat. It was really good, yeah, I liked how a lot of the focus was on like,

yeah, how it must, it's hard dealing with all of the eyes on you, all the expectations and people talking shit. Yeah, yeah. Because again, like you didn't have that gradual build that a lot of cosplays and just like people on the internet have. Like it was literally just zero to 100. Well, I think even then it's like now, even if you are big, it's like,

it's such a big thing now where a lot of people, there are so many cosplays over like a million followers, right? 100%. I think when you started, it was very much not that. Yeah, there was a very small pocket of us that kind of grew. I feel like now, accessibility to social media and just being able to blow up on social media is so common. And other ways of monetizing it, right? Like, there's so many ways to make money from cosplay.

So much. And it's like really great and really kind of, I couldn't imagine doing what I do now in this space from scratch today. Right, right. You used to be like a ruthless business person to make it worse. Yeah, the method is just completely different now. You have to be on that like Sigma grind set. Are you not doing that with your phone shit? No, right now.

I'm chilling right now. I'm full like, like, like, yeah, but you're like, I'm just for two weeks making a cosplay. Yeah, but that's for me. That's your sigma grind set. Yeah, but the fact that you're waking up every day for like two weeks just to grind out

this cause, she'd been like, that's not funny. It's for the love. That's got a passion, you know. It's just because I want to do it. Yeah. Because I, I don't know. It's not like a, like, the, the Sigma grindset for me is, I don't know if I can say this, but.

You can say, you can say. Yeah, you can say. This is a PG-13 podcast. That's true, we were talking about fucking pizza earlier. Yeah. That's a great idea. I wasn't sure you were like, fucking pizza.

I wasn't sure you were mainly like being, I guess, your presence was, I wasn't sure. See, I know you have YouTube, you have a Twitter, I think you have Patreon as well. I did for a while. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah.

I didn't know, like, I just know you as the person online. I remember. Is that crazy? Yeah, because you're like, I know, I know, they know we're on YouTube, right? That's our thing. But I didn't know like where you were. I remember what you were on YouTube.

I remember. When you fucking upload videos, which is never, yeah, yeah, yeah. I did, so I did mail Mondays for a really long time and they were like, mail Mondays from like way back. So like, man, that was like the Wild West back then. You could do whatever back then. I was like Hannah Minx was my goddess.

You remember? Oh, yeah, yeah. Oh, yeah. Oh, yeah. Oh, my gosh. Oh, geez. So I actually had to private all my videos because a lot of my videos were not,

friendly. Yeah, not safe for work because it was like, demonetizable, that's how we say nowadays. People would send me stuff in the mail and I would just put it on right there. Yeah. So a 15 inch dragon dildo.

Yeah. Oh man, never got one of those, but that'd be sick. I mean, they're expensive. Wait, how much are they? A few hundred bucks, I think. Yeah. Like, what kind of, what kind of do they have? I don't know, we'll talk about off screen.

What's it? We're still waiting for a small to you from this. Yeah, mine's been backed up. Sponsor them. Oh, my God. What the fuck? Wait, okay, I remember what I was gonna ask now. Oh, yeah.

How did the fucking documentary come around? Like, what was that all about? How did that happen? So I did stuff with, like, rooster teeth because, like, a whole bunch of my friends were at rooster teeth and everything. So, like, barb and all them. And then they were just kind of like, we kind of want to just do a documentary. And we want to do, like, because you're like, you're a friend of rooster teeth.

We love working with you. Yeah. Let's just do, who's Jessica? What was your initial reaction to that? I was like, mm. Yeah, I can imagine you'd be like, Not me. Not me.

I'm so, like, I was just me. It was, it was really weird, though, because, like, people were, people were kind of like, like, like,

the hate online was kind of like, oh, whatever, she's a dickhead. Right. Before the, before the thing. And then after the documentary, everyone was like,

oh my God, I see her now. And I was like, wait, why did they hate you before? Just because, like, you know, grow with,

because she kind of, yeah, because she kind of, as well, but, like, it was also the fact that you just kind of came out of

nowhere and just, overtook the scene. Yeah, right. So immediately all the eyes were on you because it's like, who is this Jessica chick and why is she everywhere? Yeah. So like naturally with any person,

it doesn't matter if they're an absolute dickhead or the nicest person ever, they're gonna get that initial way. This was also before there was like this real awesome like, yeah, sex workers, like, you know, so it's like way back when like, if you dressed like, bloody and for yourself online,

then you were an absolute cooler, you know? So when everyone kind of like saw the documentary and everything, they were like, oh, she actually makes her costumes? Oh. Oh wait, oh she got bullied. Oh, she's a human being? She's a human being?

Yeah, it was kind of weird because I was not prepared for people to be okay with me. And that was an incredibly weird sensation. You get a lot of people reaching out, being like, hey, long time, no talk. Not in like a, no, in like a connecting human way. Right, right, right, right. It was really, really interesting

and I did not know how to prepare and that was probably more tough and dealing with like people being dicks online. Was people being nice online. You're like, don't, don't do that. I know you're lying. Don't give me hope, don't do that. They almost had us in the first.

Yeah, yeah. I'm not gonna lie. If someone's nice to you and they expect a response, it's way harder to like, I feel like formulate that response or give them what you think they want or try and think of anything, then if they're a dick, you're like, oh, fuck off. Yeah.

That's a really good way to explain it. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Because then you kind of go like, I'm not like what you're trying to say. Yeah. That's easy. Oh yeah, I can dismiss that or whatever.

But then if someone's like, oh, you, I really love what you do. I'm like, you have so many expectations. Yeah. Oh my God, I hope I don't fucking let you down. Oh my God, you sweet angel, why am I? Like, don't look up to me. Oh my God.

It's like, I don't know if it's growing up in England, but every time I try to like genuinely shake gratitude, I always sound sarcastic. Yeah, yeah. Like I'm like, oh, thank you so much. I'm like, am I sounding sarcastic now? I have to clarify, I'm not being sarcastic. Yeah, yeah, yeah.

Before I say anything, That's the curse of the British, isn't it? It is, it is. Everything we say sounds like either sarcastic or self-deprecating. Like it's, being in, being like positive is just like a fucking anomaly to us. It's well to the American action positivity, I think.

Yeah. Do you think so? Oh yeah, definitely. Like, oh my God, it's so amazing! It's so easy to sound hyper positive with an American accent. Yeah, yeah. But if you have a British or an Australian accent, it's really hard.

It's wonderful, thank you for having me. If I said that to you, you'd think like, Wow, what do I do wrong? No, wouldn't I be like, I say it again. But like on the flip side, on the flip side, on the flip side, on the flip side, on the flip side, if you see like a negative American

or like someone who, an American being angry, just hits that much harder, you know. Bro, right? Bro, that's why you guys can't say the C word without it sounding like a really fucking dirty word. Yeah. Well, I mean, you can. Well, you can do the Australian.

Yeah, you can do the Australian ones. But like when an American says it, it's like, oh, oh, oh, I understand. I understand why you can't say it in America. Jesus Christ. You're a cut. Oh, that's the hard T. Why?

It's the rocket car. It's a real, it's the hard sea. It's like, oh. Oh. That's because you guys use cut in like an endearing way. Yeah. Good cunt. Yeah.

We're talking about before? I've completely forgotten what we were talking about before. Documentary. Yeah. So were they just like, hey, we're just gonna fucking follow you around for like a few weeks.

Yeah, yeah. So they came over and they were like, okay, what's the plan? I was like, I was like, okay, well, I'm getting ready for BlissCon. And I'm going to make this costume

for BlissCon. I was going to make a loon for BlissCon. And I was, I was genuinely in the zone and it was going to happen and I was going to work on it. And it didn't. I completely fell through.

Right. And so I was like, fuck. So then I changed gears to Alex Straza. And so then I was able to shit Alex Straza out in like two weeks because I don't know, like power ball,

you know? So that makes it sounds so much more like underground cyberpunk. How many lines of Coke did you do? What was? I was like, I don't think you just started like smoking weed in like 2018.

I was like, everyone used to think that I was like on serious trucks. Never done it. Oh man. That's why as much as the Hawaii experience with Jess was amazing, it was also the most draining experience. Oh, true.

I can be very, hanging out with Jessica for more than like three days in a row, I'm just like, the film crew would just like, yeah, with the, yeah. I'm so, I was like, okay, and now I need the coke. I'm so sorry. You suck the energy out of me.

I'm like, I want to hang out, but fuck, dude. I was so tired. Were they just following you? Yeah. Every day, they was at your house, just following you? Yeah, so what they did is they came over and then we did like, they like drove around.

They're like, okay, would you like to do some sort of like, we'll go with you to get some materials and then we can like talk about like your growing up experience and everything, New Zealand and stuff. And then we like did the whole costume process and everything and then they came to BlissCon and they filmed that stuff too. Yeah.

It must be weird, right, to have your own documentary. Oh, it's so weird. How would you, because like, How would you react if someone just came out to you and was like, we wanna make a documentary about you. I mean, my biggest concern would be like, what's the angle? Like what are you, what are you trying to portray me as?

Is it like a sympathetic thing of like, woe is me or is it like, what a fucking badass, Sigma Mel Grimeset. Like, look at this monkey. What would I be fucking do it? I just sit in my room all day. Like I don't fucking do anything. Like I don't watch that though.

I feel like I've got such a crazy like obsession with like, because I got really into watching streamers over the pandemic. And so, um, I would watch that. I would watch that. Because I want to know what like a streamer's mentality

is like when you're, when you're doing that like XQ grind, you know, like eight hours a day or 12 hours. They are a different breed of human. Yeah. Like you wake up and just go. Some days you're just like,

fuck, I do not want to press go live. I really admire. You're like, you fucking down a bunch of coffee. You're like, let's go. It does feel good when you start though, right? Like, when you see all the fucking the chat going crazy, that shit's more serotonin than anything.

I don't know why. That's something like about. that all the emotes going crazy. He's gone too deep, bro. He's a true stream now. I stream's so fucking much. Yeah, yeah. You're a real streamer.

I can do like 12, 14 hour streams, no problem. That's like. I'd even need to take a break. He says that would like, that would just stream. Yeah, no, that's true. I've done that like back to back a few days. Yeah. It's, I don't know, when you find the right thing to stream,

it just feels so like fluid and it feels so natural. I did catch your Eldon Ring streams. Yeah, but that was like three days of where I was like, addicted. Like I couldn't put it down. And I was just like, this is so fun. And it was such a good comment. Yeah.

Yeah. That's true. Like I've been streaming more often recently and I've been doing like, before I used to like struggle to do two hours streams and now do like sometimes four to five hours streams, but like sometimes there are some streams

that just drain your fucking energy. Oh yeah, yeah, yeah. And I remember one time I was like streaming like, I think I was like going for like an anime chart or something and I was only like about halfway through and I was like fucking knackered. So I said I said I was like going to get like a drink or coffee or something and then I just left.

And then I just left and then I just, I just sat down and I was like, fuck, what if I just don't come back? And I think I just didn't come back for like five minutes. I lost like a thousand viewers. I was looking at my analytics. I was like, why did I drop for like a thousand viewers? And I was like,

I just left. And I just left and didn't say I was going to come back. Stop with this now. That's so funny. But yeah, I fucking needed that because it was just like so fucking draining. Yeah. Like I admire like anybody who is just on a consistent YouTube schedule or like streaming schedule,

like you guys just be like on that, on that grind is just, it's, it's, I, it's, it's, well, it's like what you said, it's just an addiction. You just love it. Yeah, I just like it. Like, I definitely wouldn't be able to do what you do. Yeah, 30, 30 conventions, I'd miss my home so much. I don't do it anymore though.

Like, like, I remember it was around 2019. It was right before 2020 started. Me and Ryan were like, man, we are burnt the fuck out, you know, I was like, I bet. Just about to hit like 30 and I was like, bro, I don't wanna do, this as much as I'm doing this anymore. Like I wanna go like travel and have a good time

and just relax, let's go to, let's hang out with my parents. The pandemic said, everybody take a break. Yeah, you know? So I remember just very vividly being like, I am 1,000% burnt out. Yeah. And I cannot do this anymore. Yeah.

And I had to push pause. And now only after everything like two or three years, I'm like, okay. Can go do it again. A little cheeky, little, little, little cheeky con. A little cheeky. A little cheeky. Five days speed.

I might just do a devious leak into 10.30 cons again, you know? You know how it is. So if you weren't doing conventions, what were you doing throughout the pandemic? Just chilling? Oh, yeah. I got, I got a, like any side ventures or anything? Yeah, I, uh, a lot of stuff off, uh, like, we're getting into building a little, we're gonna like start building hobbit holes and creating like- What is a Hobbit hole?

Like, like from one of the rings? You're gonna make one of those? Yeah, we're gonna, we're gonna get like a property and we're gonna build hobbit holes and like, fantasy cabins and like build this like, almost like an Airbnb situation where our friends can come and just like stay, make content or whatever. And then we're gonna like become little old cabin mushroom people.

I wanna get to that stage, man. Yeah, that sounds fun. That sounds like an awesome project. I'm like really excited. Ryan turned our front room into a D&D tavern. Wow. Yeah, he's, oh, he's sounded. But he's like, he's been really, really keen

on doing like a bunch of like woodwork a lot, kind of stuff. So that's what we really wanna do. Yeah. It definitely seems like a woodwork kind of. He gives off woodwork energy. What do you, what do you guys wanna do? Like beyond?

Beyond. Beyond what? Beyond this dimension? That's a good question. I feel like I'm showing the thick of it right now. I'm just like, I'm just, yeah, that fuck, goddare it. Fucking hate that TikTok noise. Yeah.

The what? Stream. It's in the thick of it. I fucking hate that. I'm like in the middle of it right now. I'm really enjoying it and I feel like I don't want to do anything else right now. That's fair?

Yeah, that's what I like doing. Yeah, right now like pretty much all of our three schedules are like packed. Yeah. With everything that we're working on. I don't have time to think about what I wanna do next because I'm kinda kind of doing it now. That's good.

Meanwhile, I just started a clothing thing and I'm dreading the fact that like my work is just triple. But it's so awesome. You gotta be so proud of myself. Yeah, but it's so fun. And it's like, yeah, it's worth it. Like yeah, now I have less free time than ever now, but it's like,

it's cool to do something that's just like completely different now. Yeah, you definitely have to change gears when you're in the space too, because it can make you really like, you don't want to start getting, what's it called when you? Stagnating. You stagnate, but also like, you don't wanna be angry at what you're doing.

Yeah, you have to change gears and do different things. I just don't wanna be in like a monotonous cycle. Yes, yeah, absolutely. With like everything, like, I don't wanna get to the point where it's like, I know what I'm gonna be doing for the next six days because it's gonna be exactly the same as what I did today. Exactly.

I don't want to get to that point. So it's like, yeah. Like this year is like by far the busiest year of my life. It's like not even. Not even a comparison here. Like it feels weird that like, you know, normally, normally when you get married, that's like, that's like everything revolves around that for the entire year. It's time to settle down.

Yeah, he's time to settle down. And to me like marriage, my marriage is obviously an amazing event, but it was like only one of the things that were planned in this like fucking massive year. It's like check that off the list. Yeah. See what else we got left, right? Ask me again in the year, and I'll probably have a better answer.

Okay, yeah. Yeah. I'm always really curious to see what other content creators are doing with their lives beyond, like the content grind, because it's like, I can't see us turning on a camera and be like, hey, what's up you guys?

Next time, you know, like, like old, you know, YouTubers doing their thing, but like, but then there's that cute guy that plays Rinscape onto it. Yeah, I was going to say this. Yeah, the old guy, yeah. And if it makes him happy, then, fucking do it, you know?

Yeah, she's liven. So I'm like, I'm really, really interested to see. Like, I, I've been watching Felix's videos since he's been really good in. Yeah, yeah. And there's just such a feeling of like, oh, hell yeah. Dude, he's enjoying it so fucking much. He's making vlogs again. And I'm like, I'm so happy for him, you know?

He's just doing it with his iPhone as well. So nice. Yeah. Well, because like, I feel like another big thing is that the past two years have been the pandemic. So I feel like you either went one of two ways. you either like really just use that time to like chill out and start doing some side gigs or some side projects. Or for us, we just kind of filled that kind of void

with just keeping ourselves busy to like distract ourselves with how depressing it was to not be able to see our friends and stuff like that. And now we're just like kind of getting out of that pandemic and we kind of realize, holy shit, we are so fucking busy and we gave ourselves this schedule in order to distract ourselves originally. And now we're like traveling and doing all this other stuff as well. It's so cool. I think it's so awesome. I think it's like it's so deserved.

Like you guys created such an incredible podcast for people to kind of like lean on during like the pandemic and everything and like the people that follow you and everything probably feel just I'm sure I speak for them in the way that they probably just appreciate the ever-loving shit out of what you guys have done. We just talk shit for two hours, bro. That's awesome. That's all we do. It's so nice.

This is the easy part of our job. Exactly. Let's not talk about our main channel stuff. That's the hard part. We just wear stupid hands. hats and fucking talk shit. You know, that's all we do. So, like, do you plan to go back

to more conventions now that, you know, everything's opening back up again? So I really want to start doing stealthy costumes, like make full on, like, unrecognizable. Yeah, like either like go full on, like, do you know Ariel from Diablo? Like one of the angels, one of the archangels, I'd love

to make like Tyriel from the... Damn, you played every Blizzard game, huh? Used to be a hardcore blizzard fan girl. That I'm doing too hard. Oh, my God. So you're gonna do like the Adam Savage thing where it's just like non-recognizable cosplay? Just stuff that like is purely,

like if people want to stop and take photos, it's because they're like, wow, your costume is fucking sick. Yeah. And then like that's like the soul of it and everything. Because I still do love making stuff. I got really into making fairy houses. And like it and like, like,

just little fairy homes. What the fuck? What's like small homes? Like little tiny houses. Like I made tiny houses out of like sticks and like mushrooms and stuff. And I got, I got real. How does one get?

get into that. A pandemic. How does one discover that to begin with? I got hardcore into like just. Like mini shoes and stuff? Yeah, like tiny little, like I would make little tables and chairs. This is like the most.

Ryan, I've struck cooking meth. I think it's like, yeah, I'm retired. This is the most COVID pandemic hobby like I've ever heard in my life. So I started making fairy houses guys. Dude, it's so therapeutic. I loved it.

It's like all the people who started knitting during the pandemic, you know. Oh, I got really into plants. So every time I got really depressed, I would probably get a new dog. You go into plants as well. Yeah, and so I have this like huge fairy garden room now, and I was like, I was really sad. Everyone turned into a plant mom during the pandemic. Yeah, yeah, yeah. And then, oh my gosh.

But yeah, so like that's kind of like where the thing is like the fairy house is kind of like blend into like the hobbit holes and like that kind of stuff. So creating stuff is still something I want to do in the future. But just like maybe not necessarily like in front of like. camera. Yeah. Just to like make stuff. I think I remember you were telling me or Aki, because I think we, just in a casual conversation, we had a similar like conversation asking like what would you want to do after cosplaying. Yeah. Right? Because it's like, you know, I think it goes without saying that like, cosplaying in retrospect doesn't have as long of a lifespan. Yeah. For people, right, especially because, you know, once people start to get a little

bit older, it gets a little more difficult to cosplay certain characters or stuff like that. Right. So it's like, But I think I remember, and correct me if I'm wrong in this, but you were like, I want to get into like a manager like type position where you like manage cosplayers and stuff like that. Yeah, there was a time where I was thinking about that. And then I was like, that's fucking stupid. No, I'm like, yeah, like, I don't want to do that. You should have to deal with yourself.

Yeah, like, I would have to manage them. And I was like, oh, do I really want to manage people? And I was like, maybe I could like fund a management company and then like had people that like want to do it. Like for sure. like for sure, but like, oh, man. Okay, because I'm glad you said that now because I remember when you told me that time,

I respond to being like, yeah, that sounds like a great idea, but in my hand, like, she gotta be a fucking match. Not me, bro, you better manage my shit. No, it's so funny. That's not you. No, I don't wanna manage people.

Right, yeah, that sounds like. How do you feel like the cosplay season has changed since you started? Oh my gosh, TikTok has made it so, Oh my God. Do you do TikTok as well? Not really, I have a little TikTok. It's got like 100,000 people on it,

but like it's mostly just like Cato and then like, yeah, yeah. Yeah, yeah. But no, I think TikTok is, I love TikTok and I love consuming TikTok. I don't wanna create for TikTok. Right, right. Because I want it to be this pure like, untampered like meme stream that I can just kind of like go

and like enjoy. You don't wanna ruin the platform for yourself. Yeah, exactly. Like I don't wanna look at it and be like, oh, I don't wanna go on TikTok because I have to create for it, you know? I just don't know what I would create. Well, I-

That's like my main issue to TikTok. It's like, I'm totally- Yeah, I feel like you guys could do the, you guys could do the cool little like stream clip things. Yeah, we do that's what I do already. Yeah, we do that for trash days, but it's like, for me personally, I'm like, I don't know what I would do.

Oh, I usually was my personal streams. Oh, okay. That makes sense. It works pretty well. Yeah, that's awesome. That's awesome. That's the way to grow these days. TikTok is like the avenue.

Gotta be on that. Yeah, that's the hat, that's how you do it. The zoomers are got it. I love the kids. The kids, oh my god, I'm so grateful for zoomers. They've like, no, I tell you man, they like being in a, being in the space, like with zoomers and like, am I technically

about a millennial? Yeah, yeah, you're a millennial. Yeah, so like being in the like creative space with zoomers and millennials and stuff like that is really interesting because they can teach us so many things and they can keep us like on top of our shit and they can also like motivate it the crap out of you. Yeah, yeah, yeah.

It's what you're doing, you know? They have the enthusiasm that you lost over the years, right? Yeah. You're like, damn, I had that one day. I remember, I remember when I was, I was on that Sigma Male Brines team. Oh man, I was so starry-eyed, man, God. God damn, I miss those days.

Yeah, they just inspire me like, crazy, especially the, uh, the, the, the, the, the cosplayers and stuff like that. Yeah, yeah. They'll, like, start the TikTok, like, without any makeup and then they'll go take the video, do their makeup for the video as the video is rolling, and then get into the costume all

one video and have it all just on TikTok the whole time. Yeah. Like while they're doing it. I'm just like, you're just amazing. You're glorious. You're fantastic. You're queens. All of you.

I fucking love you. You're so intense. Do you feel like the bar of quality has been like stepped up over the years in terms of cosplay? Definitely think cosplay now for TikTok in particular, not talking about the crafting aspect. Yeah. Yeah. The crafting aspect, fuck yes.

It's like accelerated. As far as like TikTok cosplay, it's more like you have to be the character and do the like, you have to embody the character. Yeah, you have to really present yourself as like a content creator that it's also a cosplayer. Yeah, right, right. How long would you say it takes like learn the skills that you have or like the kind of like like the average skill level that you see on TikTok or some of like the hiring cosplay?

I know, right? Because like I feel like a majority of people on TikTok who like do the, they crank out their things and stuff are doing like purchase costumes maybe. Right. And then like there are the, there is the crafters as well who like put that stuff. Like I think it takes, I don't know, it really depends on. Yeah, because I'm sure to get to get to the skill set of like Camui for example.

Yeah. It's like fucking decades. Right. Like just getting to the point where you just start building your own armor. Yeah. Yeah. But there's also like some really talented makeup artists as well. Like I'm just like fuck man.

Like this is an actual artist I'm looking at with some of like the makeup. They don't have to make a costume. No, no, no. No, no. Yeah. Yeah. Exactly. It's fucking incredible.

You guys seen that guy who does like the real meme cosplays and he's like, you'll like paint his butt. Yeah. Yeah. Oh yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. I love that guy. It's like the cheap cosplay, right? The Southeast Asian guy, right?

Yeah, yeah, that guy is awesome. He's actually Thai, actually. Oh, really? Shout out, shout out to my Thai bro. So since you've been to like so many conventions, right? Like, you must have some fucking insane convention stories. Oh my God, when I heard about your guys' experience with the guy, yeah, reminded me of the time

that I also had someone do that to us. Wait, why? Really? We were, yeah, we were in, um, this wonderful convention, the hall. We were in a church. They had the panel in a church. What?

Yeah, it was really awesome. It was really cool. And we were doing this panel in this church. I was dressed as a slutty elf. Perfect. Turn your Bible to page. Amazing. And we were doing our panel and stuff

and we were just sitting up there. And this guy puts his hands up and he goes, oh, can I give you something? And it was like quite a small little room, you know? Like, go out, whatever. And I was like, oh, yeah, sure, sure. And he goes, I was like, what is it? Like, as he was walking towards the stage.

And he goes, it's a bomb. And then bolts for the stage. And literally these two giant, like, security guys just went, go, and grabbed him. And I was like, what the fuck? Was it actually? No, so they grab him. And he goes, I'm just kidding.

It's cookies. And I said, I'm American. I don't think in any country, that would be okay. I wouldn't be like, oh, funny. Oh my God, and then I think he like left and stuff, but it was just such a, it was such a like, like, what are you doing, buddy?

Like what are you doing? What do you do other than shit yourself? How did he plan in his head for that to go down? Like what was his like, he must have been like, this is gonna be hilarious. He's like, here comes the punchline. Yeah, no. It's a bomb, bomb cookies.

He just got tackled before he could say the punch. They're fresh, I need to get them to you right now. God, that's horrible. That's the only time someone had been like, like, tried to rush or like run on the stage. Where's Ryan? Ryan's got really good memory because he, he's like. He's the one has to deal with it.

Yeah, he's like, he's like, he's like, we can't do this again. No, I remember the one that you told me ages ago of the guy who came to a house to deliver something. Oh my God. There was a guy, oh my, I love Ryan. This is literally every day. This story made me gay for Ryan.

Yeah, right. So this guy, so we're at my house, is like my old house, and we're just chilling around and we're with our friend, Jono. And Jono's like, a little bro from La Jolla. And someone knocks on the door, and they're knocks on the door, we open the door and he goes, this person goes,

I have a package for Jessica. This is Jessica's house. And he goes, yeah? And the guy's like dressed as like a career. And he goes, okay. And they like takes the package. He goes, just to be sure, this is Jessica's house, right?

Jessica Nigree? And he goes, yeah? Yeah, like, I don't know. And then he, like, closes the door. He gives us the package and we're like, what the hell was that? And he was like, I don't know, just the guy. And I was like, okay, we took the package. No labels or anything on it.

Nothing on the labels. I open up the package. Inside the package is a premonition. It's a story of someone saying, Jessica, this person is going to come into your life. And this person is going to offer you a business deal. And you are going to take that business deal, and you're going to have the best business experience

in your entire life if you take this business. Was this like a fucking Rosetta Stone? What was this? What was this? The 10 commandments. I don't know. It was weird. And then I was like, I put it back in and I was like,

what the fuck? Because there was no labels on anything. This was not shipped. Yeah. Ryan knows what's up. He's got like the sixth sense for this bullshit. Yeah. So he goes, what the hell was that?

What the hell was that? What is that? And he just gets up. He goes out the door. And me and John are sitting on the couch like, oh, Ryan's moving. Ryan's on the move. Ryan goes down the street,

tackles this guy, gets this guy in a headlock, and he goes, why are you here? Like, what's going on? He goes, I bought her address off of website. I bought her,

like, I just wanted to give her the package. And he was like, what? He goes, do you have a weapon on you? And he goes, no, no, no, I'm from Canada. I flew from Canada. I just came from the airport. What the loss? Yeah, and then Ryan was like,

oh my God. And then he puts him down. He goes, don't fucking move, okay? And the neighbors, like, see, him like see the altercation and everything, then the neighbor comes out. And the neighbor goes, is everything okay? And he goes, can you please call the cops? And the neighbor goes, why? And he goes, just please can you call the cops? And the kids like sitting on the ground or whatever. And so the cops come, they talk to this kid and they say like, like, look, you can't, you technically

can't come here. You can't do that. Yeah. Yeah. And like, uh, the cop told Ryan, he's like, technically I can't do anything, but I can scare him if you want. And Ryan was like, yes, please. Would you like to see his parents? I imagine that getting tackled is already Yeah, yeah, yeah. Yeah, yeah. Getting tackled by Ryan would be fucking terrifying. Oh, yeah. Um, but really hot for you.

Tackle me. Um, so, so then he like, he like, the cop gave him a talking to and everything. And then he like, got an Uber and like walked away and left. How old is this kid? Wow, this kid had to have been like 20, 22. Jeez. 21, 22.

But like, like, just, like, so many things started running through my mind. One, you bought the address online. Yeah. You flew from Canada to come down here and do this, and you came up to the door. You could have, like, just so many things. Just why? Just why.

And then that's when we went, okay, this is really serious. Like, we're actually quite, like, not to be like, oh, we're quite popular online. But we have a large following. We need to start doing something about this. So we started, like, doing the whole, like, internet scrub of everything. Like, you do all the things to, like, take care of, like,

your home and, like, your address and everything like that. Yeah. Don't fucking do that. Yeah. Please do not. Obviously, in case we need to spell out, that is not cool, you do not do that. It's worrying that there is a website

that sells addresses of YouTubers. It's really easy to find. Well, I mean there's a lot of websites to do it just because like maybe your information was leaked by some website or something. It's just a database. Right, right, right. It won't be like, this is Jessica Negris.

You know, we have a bunch of addresses. You can search for a name and it'll come up. Yeah, right. Because it has it like the, you know, a lot of countries have it work. Because if you vote, a lot of the time, that's public in a lot of countries. So your name has to be publicly registered

with an address, which is really concerning. Yeah, just leave it. Just leave it alone. I think the thing was there was an Amaranth just recently. Oh, that was terrifying. That is. What happened with Alan? So yeah, a dude flew from Estonia, yeah.

It wasn't our editor, luckily. There are more people who live in Estonia than just moved on. One of the two. One of the first audience. Oh, no, so yeah, it flew from Estonia and was live streaming himself outside her house, like, waiting, like, the entire time.

And, like, it started to gain a bit of popularity of people watching him, because I think people were, it's part of that sick thing of, like, what fucked up thing is he gonna try and do? Yeah, I'm gonna watch. Yeah. And, yeah, luckily, he got arrested before anything happened. Yeah, rightfully so.

Yeah. But, like, my God, flying from Estonia and just, and he was there for like a month. He was in for a long time. Waiting outside of her house. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah.

Moodon, come get your mans. Moodon. Yeah. Moodon, get your mans. Is that your man's? Well, like there's there. And then there's the one from, I forgot, Gav. Yeah, Gav and Mets.

Yeah, yeah. And also obviously, Christina Grimmie. Dude, I just don't know what, it's terrifying. Like, that's another thing that me and Ryan also kind of really considered when we were starting to not do conventions anymore is because there were some moments and some messages that we were getting to,

that we were just like, you know, I don't think it's going to be worth it if these conventions aren't going to be taking the precautions that they need to be taking. A lot of them done. And I think it's because there's a vast disconnect of understanding of how a popular creator online can draw such a huge audience

and become such a influential part of a convention experience. You know? Because I saw the video and like everything, like you guys had a massive panel. And like you guys were about to go anime expo, it's gonna be fucking huge. Yeah, yeah. And like, I would say that, like, there are times where these online creators and, like,

everything are, have way bigger lines and way bigger, like, presence than, like, traditional media. Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. It surprises the shit out of me that people are still not up to date with the fact that you guys are. It's for like 10 years. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. There's a time I went to a convention and, uh, I had like a huge line and I was next to, I can,

I don't want to say he was next to. Yeah. Yeah. But he came over to me after and he goes, He goes, so what do you do? Like, what do you dressed up as kindred? Like, what was dressed as kindred from, like, what is this? And I was like, oh, I'm a cosplayer. And I was like, oh, I'm a cosplayer.

I was like all excited to tell him. And he goes, oh, okay, okay. Oh, I think there's a lot of forces at play, right? Like, there's a lot of like traditional agents putting pressure on the car and be like, these are the people. Like, you give a shit about it. And you've got like, your team's like,

oh, we got to like this cosplayer, like, you like the, and then the conventions, I think. But we got to, the guy who plays an extra in Star Wars. Why aren't you pampering him up? Yeah. I wanna go see that guy. I love stuff.

Yeah, I mean, I guess we're just starting to experience this now. I mean, like, I think like MCM, we've talked about this before, but MCM was like a real eye-opener for us. Yeah. In terms of what we need for like our convention experience. Because we've been to conventions before,

just as our own stuff, but like, it was not even close to the same level. Yeah, exactly. Yeah, exactly. How cool though. Like how cool. Yeah, it's cool. It's, it's, it's, it's equal parts,

exciting as it is scary. Yes. Yeah. Yeah. What do you guys think you're gonna do going forward or what do you think you would like suggest? Say if there's a convention watching and they're like, what would you suggest?

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in the description below. And thank you to Tipsy for sponsoring this episode. Drink responsibly. So yeah, I mean, like, we haven't gone to the event now, but by the time that this episode comes out, we would have already been to Anime Expo. And having to deal with them in terms of explaining the fact that we need security is just didn't go through at all.

So they, we asked for security after our incident at MCM and after our experience at MCM and they kind of just refused to give us any. And I mind you, we're guests. Yeah. At this call. You guys are like official guests. At anime expo and they were like,

I think what they said was saying along lines of, there's security at the conference at the con, so why would you need, yeah, why would you need any additional ones? But we won't have anyone like with us. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. And that's what we said. And you know, we even said like,

hey, we had this incident at MCM where unfortunately security was not present. We don't want the same thing happening at AMX but because all future cons in general, right? Yeah, and they were like, sounds like your problem, bro. Yeah. So we have to pay for it.

So we have to pay for our own security. That's not cool. But it's like, if the con was like, hey, we gave you like a shit ton of money. You can, you know, for coming, then it'd be like, okay, well, all right, but animation doesn't pay guests. Yeah. I was talking to, um, when we were, we went to gamescom in Germany. I got that one. Yeah, that one's fucking awesome. But we were, we were with Blizzard and Blizzard gave us these two gigantic lads to take care of us. And they were, oh my God, I'm still friends with them

on Instagram. Like, oh my God, these, these guys were so awesome. I wonder if it's like a, if it's a, if it's a disconnect with the whole like Hollywood thing in America. Right. Maybe. And then like, because when we were in speaker mind, I heard it. No, I'm going. I was just, yeah.

I was thinking maybe, but that still wouldn't be an excuse. That's true. You're right. I do think it's still just that disconnect. It's like also, I think there is this weird kind of sense of if we admit that you're, you will bring in these crowds and we kind of say,

hey, you're worth that much. It means that they have to then pay you more. That's true. They have to offer you more things. Yeah. And so there is that kind of, at least I get the sense of like, we don't wanna be like, wow, you're such a big deal

or something like that, because we don't wanna have to then step of what we have to do on our end. I feel that. I think so. I'm sure you maybe think that way, when you kind of feel the interactions you've had. Yes. Were you trying to explain things?

And they'll be like, yeah, but we think we know what's gonna. There's also that like, whole like exposure type. I don't wanna say like, you don't, I'm paid by exposure. Yeah. This is nonsense because like ultimately the algorithm at like TikTok, a Twitter and a YouTube could get you so, so, so much more exposure

than any amount of people you could meet at a convention. You might make stronger connections and you might make more worthwhile viewers. But in terms of like growth and actually like, is it worth like five days or six days? Not really. Like after a certain point, it's not worth it. I do wonder too, because like there are some things

that I've done in my like career that I was like, I'm just going to do it. I don't care if you pay me or not because it gets your foot in the door. No, definitely, definitely. And so then it kind of gets you to that point where you're just like, I'm, I'm down. Like they're like, oh, get Jess, she's down

to do it kind of thing. But I'm sure that works because that was like very early in that kind of industry. But like now it's just like, you know, it's that's the old school method of doing things. Yeah, I mean it's literally, you know, there's a big issue with artists getting paid in just exposure, right?

Yeah. And, you know, there is like some benefits to it early on your new career, but like when you're established, you know, you gotta, you gotta, there's a, You're part of professionalism, that you gotta like expect from it, right?

Yeah, exactly, yeah. So it's, I wonder if a lot of conventions are operating in that like, oh, you're just a YouTuber. You come out, you'll do it. There are some. There are some, not everyone, but I, it depends right on who's running it as well. Because a lot of the cons, more often not,

that like, I really like this person, or I'm a big fan, I wanna get them. And if it's you, that's great. Yeah. But if they're a fan of older media and stuff, and they don't give a fuck about YouTube, it is like pulling teeth. Yeah, there's a blatant bias.

definitely. Oh yeah, yeah, yeah. It's understandable. I'm like, if it's your con, I guess I get it. Like, you don't want fucking me there? That's totally fine. Yeah. I'm not like, you know, I'll live, I'll live.

Well, that's why we're going on tour, right? Yeah. Oh yeah, can you talk about it? Can we talk about that? I mean, it should have been already announced by the time. It should be announced by the time. Okay, this comes out, but yeah. Just do it ourselves.

Yeah, we just went to the point, we're just like, we just gone to the point where we're just like, okay, yeah, cons are cool. You know, we've been doing it for a while. but now it's like, it's like the new meta, I guess. To do something yourself. To do something yourselves, right? Like it's like, it's just become commonplace now

for YouTubers to do tours. Um, the OTK game thing. Did you guys see that? I didn't see that. OTC's like E3 type thing. Oh yeah, I did see this. That was awesome. Yeah, yeah.

Yeah. I love that like our generation, our group of like our creators and stuff like that are just going like, we're just gonna make our own shit. Yeah. Yeah. Which is like so amazing. Like this is you're taking the power

from way from like the old media stuff just putting in your own stuff. I mean, I mean, I mean, I think, I think it has gotten to a point where you do have enough influence and reach to be able to, and you've, as an influencer, you get used to big companies treating you like shit because you are an influencer. You know,

they kind of look down on you compared to like all traditional media, but then in reality, a lot of people, a lot of big mainstream content creators have the power and reach to make their own fucking, like, events and be even bigger than the ones that are run by big official companies. Yeah. And yeah, I mean, I don't know how much it's going to take

for companies to realize that, hey, people watch creators, people follow influencers, you know. And people want to go see creators IRL, not just online. Exactly. Would you guys do the creator clash? I wouldn't personally, because I don't. I would consider it, I think. I kind of want to get beat up.

Dude, you should. Like, why not, right? I was at, we were at a after party with a minx and we did like some little, it's like a little, like a boxing training thing where you just have to tap the other person shoulder, shoulder, and then like dodge.

And I did like this little dodgy thing and she was like, what the fuck? Like, what the fuck was that? Because you're jittery. You just have like a natural like, yeah. I hate to go guys. I wouldn't know what's coming. That's what she said.

She was like, she's like, oh, you're a fancy boxer. I'm not gonna box you, fuck off. You should do it. I kind of really want to do it. I mean, you're already fit enough. Yeah, yeah, yeah. So fun. Yeah.

I mean, I feel like it would just be like a good fucking opportunity. And it's just an excuse to stay fit as well, right? Yeah. Like you're paid to get in insane shape. Yeah. Like the best shape of your life? That sounds awesome. Get, oh, a real musly mommy.

Oh my goodness. Imagine the pyramid head cosplay with abs. Well, hell we are. God, I love pyramid head. Monsters in general. So yeah, if you guys saw on our Twitter, you saw the, our new, mascot, it's this little adorable creature.

You wanna stay here? Yeah, we, this is the first animal we've ever had on sets. Yeah. How long have you had? Yes. How long have you guys had Caddo for? Kato, we got, right in the beginning of pandemic, yeah?

Yeah, we, we, I don't know how we got a Shiba. We randomly put our name down to a, there's a lady who does, um, who does, um, who breed Shiba's in Arizona, who was living in Kyoto beforehand doing it. And so she moved to Arizona. So she's like super certified everything like that. She's like super, super pro and everything. But we put our name down for him and we were just like, okay, like we were thinking about maybe having a dog.

And then we kind of just went out about our lives. And then she called and she went, hey, someone backed out. They don't want this little guy. Do you want him? We're like, we're here. That's our boy. We're here to get you. I'm already outside.

I'm saying it, you Spotify listeners are like missing out right now, man. Spotify listeners move to YouTube right now for this scene. Come on over, like and subscribe. Is he your first pet? He's my, yeah, he's like my first dog individual. I used to have like rats and stuff when I was a little girl in New Zealand. Rats. So did everyone in New York.

Like a pet rat? Yeah, like a little pet rat named Sparky. Yeah, it was awesome. What do you mean? Ha! You don't like rats? Why? Why a rat?

There's not even a mouse, like a rat. Yeah, like rats are super smart and clever. You can teach him tricks and they're super, super like, just the sweetest little little guys. Yes. Kada, can you want to go down? He's figuring it out. He's like, release me from the trash taste.

Here you go. I would love to own a dog or just any kind of pet. But just right now, as God was saying, it's the busiest year of my life right now. And I do not have the time to take care of running away. Yeah. No, I want. to get a pet really bad.

But I would want to settle down first before I get a pet. But like the more the time goes on, the less I know when I'm going to be settling down. So I'm just like the, like, I thought I'll be like, okay, I'm gonna get a pet in a year. Then I went to two years.

And three years. And I'm just like, I'll get a pet someday, maybe when I settle down. I don't know when it's gonna be, one of these days. Because like, I don't want to be traveling a lot and like being away from home a lot when I have a pet there.

I think we're gonna start. But Aki and I are gonna start small, so we're gonna start off with like a fish tank. You know, just like fish, right? Because like that's- A rat. A rat. Why, what do you have to do? A fucking rodent.

Why not mousy rodents? What the fuck? I would understand like a mouse or like a hamster. No, rats are so clever and smart. They climb up in your shoulder and they give you little snuggles and kisses and they're so sweet. I think it's because like everyone's idea of a rat

is like a dirty street rat. Yeah. You get the comments and there's gonna be, so cute, that was adorable. It's cleaning the face, dude. I hate that. I hate cleanliness? Yes.

Jesus, correct. I could smell it. What pet would you guys want if you could get that? Definitely a dog, definitely a dog. Any kind of dog. I would be saying the other day, I wanted a shiba. Yeah, I want a shiba as well? The tan one or the sesame?

The tam tan one, sorry. Oh, it's the doge coin. It's the dog. I wanted the default skin. I wanted the default version. You don't want the season exclusive? No, you got the battle pass. It comes with the free Doge coin.

I got the Pax League skin. Have you ever owned a pet? No. Never? No. Parents wouldn't like me. Really? They were like, you won't look after it, so you don't have it. You don't like rats, you can't have it.

I can't have any pet. If I had got a rat, my parents would have been like, you're gone. Really? They don't stink or anything. So I'm such a big rat advocate. I think it's just the thought of having a rat in your house. It's like when you watch that TLC of that girl, like a 10-year-old girl who loves

cockroaches and for some reason the parents let her have cockroaches. So just in the room, there's a bunch of cockroaches all around her. I wonder what? What would be the negative thing of having a cockroach? Well, like health-wise. Are they dirty? Would they, they're not? They would breed, right? They, they, the thing was there was a bunch of them and they were clearly just around the house. So the only thing that would be bad is just that they would be there. Well, I mean, it's just the fact that like, there's not many people. I'm pretty sure they carry like, Yeah, and a lot of diseases, right? Yeah, a lot of diseases.

Do they? Okay, because I was trying to, I was trying to see the duality of cockroach, you know, to try to like, rats can carry a lot of diseases, right now. I got two cockroaches in me right now. The clean one and the dirty one. Fucking full sense. I don't know if I'm full of shit,

but I swear rats can carry, but like, not the pet ones. Right, right. Yeah, like you get one from the shop. Yeah, they only carry it because they're in the fucking sewer zone. Yeah, they had to, their little hardened warriors. What if your pet rat met the other hardened warrior rats? They would get married. and it would be amazing because you would have to be.

It would be flesed away. It would be berserk, and it would be guts in Costco and it would be amazing. You'd be like the parent of like, oh, he's bringing like the sketchy kid home to hang out of my house. And I would love that sketchy kid because that's what parents should do

when you see the sketchy kid, you go, are you okay at home? I am looking to see if you have enough in your bowl, not if you have too much. Bring in all the chlamydia, all the cholera, the black plague, hasn't been around for a long time. Doesn't matter, I'm adopting you. It's, collecting the infinity stone of the diseases.

Clearly a more patient and caring person than myself. You're British. Yeah, that's true. I think us in Europe have just been like, you know. Oh, that's true. The rats, yeah, yeah, yeah. They expressed the black player. Yeah, so, look, it's been-

Only killed a third of Europe. Yeah, no, only a third of Europe. What do we have against rats? I don't know. What's wiped our entire fucking population? You know, there's still the bubonic plague. It still exists. It does.

Really? There's people who still get it. I think it's like, it's like two or three, it's like two or three people a year in the states alone, get the black plague. And it's me. Probably you won't, you're not a rat.

So in Thailand there's actually like a lot of like street dogs, right? Just like roaming around and they are like, they're just fucking built different. Than like, you know, they're from the streets. They are from the streets, right? They literally, right? Because I remember the first time Sydney went to Thailand, she's like, oh, look at all the dogs, look at that. I want to take care of them all. And I'm like, Sydney, these are the dogs you need to be care of them all. are the dogs you need to be careful of, right? This is like the fucking ghetto of like the dog,

the dog world right now. You don't, you do not want to bring fucking... The dog steps up on its hind legs, put out of knife and says like, you know you fucking legs. Yeah, yeah, yeah. So like, obviously like a lot of dogs have like very sensitive stomachs.

You really need to like take care of what you feed them and everything like that. This is why you have like specialized dog treats and everything like that. So I remember, uh, there was like a street dog just like outside of a con bea and Sydney like, Sydney felt bad. So she wanted, uh,

she wanted to like feed it, right? Yeah. And so what she did, and I was like, I was like, Cindy, don't do this. This is a bad idea. This is a bad idea. Don't like, you know, as much of a dog, as much as a dog, even if you're a dog lover,

you need to like be careful of street dogs, right? Because a lot of the times they're on the medes. Just straight animals in general. Yeah, yeah, yeah. So she goes in the company and buys, buys like a pack of like dog food, right? Like dry, pre-packaged dog food.

Yeah. And she like tries to like, tries to like feed this sweet dog. And so she like, she like, pours a little pal of this dog food and she's like, come on, come eat, come eat, you must be hungry. And the dog comes over, has one sniff of it

and just like fucks off. He's like, what the fuck is this food, right? Oh my God. Yeah, I thought the dog was gonna bite it that bag. No, no, no, because. Yeah, I was expecting that the dog should be like, ah, right, yeah.

So, because like the dog then like just goes around the corner and like, there's like some like chicken and bones on the streets. And he just starts snacking on that. Because normally you can't be. Straight to the sauce, yeah. Straight to the sauce.

Like, I don't want that process shit. I want that free. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. Serial. Yeah. Yeah, it's just like, the dogs there are just different. And it's just, so it's kind of, it's kind of common for like a lot of like Thai houses to have like some kind of dogs.

I mean, Japan's like that with cats as well. There are so many fucking, there are like 70 million cat, I love to call cat islands because it's just so many abandoned islands, especially in the south of Japan, that are just more cats than people now. Yeah. And like, I went to a couple of them and yeah, they're fucking cute because there's just like cats everywhere,

so if you love cats is awesome. But then you remember, they're probably infested with fleas, probably got rabies. Yeah, well, they're from the streets, that. These are like street cats, too. Like, rabies is scary. It's scary, yeah. Fuck.

Like, I don't, no, I've seen videos people with it where they're trying to drink water. because you become, you can't drink water. Like, and you know there's no cure for rabies. There's no cure. You can only prevent it from happening, right? It's horrible. It's actually like no known cure for rabies

once it actually gets into your system. I think when there was that whole scare, like, in the DC when there's a fox that bit in people and given them, it was like a few months ago, it'd given a few people rabies and a bunch of videos are going around showing like what happens and you get it because you physically can't drink water. Yeah.

What do you mean? So you try to drink it and you're like, you spit it out because your body is just like, like rejects it. It's horrible. So you just get like like IV? Yeah, but a lot of people just die. It do die right normally quite shortly after. It's really horrible disease and it's like one of the things

you're like, ha, rabies. And then like when you see it you're like, oh God, oh God. Yeah, yeah, it's fucked. But everyone's just cute animal. So if you see a street animal, just admire from a distance. Yeah, yeah. Be careful. I find it funny because you can definitely tell like sometimes.

Like froth, right? Yeah, yeah, yeah. But like you can definitely tell like when you're walking around in time And sometimes, like, someone takes a dog out on the walk, and you can tell the difference between, like, the domesticated dogs and the street dogs. It's just like the domesticated dog looks over,

and, like, the street dogs are just like, yo, you've come to the wrong neighborhood, man. Who's fans? Who's fans? Look at this British motherfucker. Really? That was, like, we were in, we did, we went to Tanzania to climb Kilimanjaro,

and then same with Nepal as well. Like, it was the same thing. You climbed Kilimanjaro? Yeah. Damn, dude. It was cool. I like how she just casually throws that out. Yeah, it's like,

kill him and Jaredo, Beghee. No, my mom wanted to do it, so she was, she brought us all over there, but like the dogs everywhere around there as well, same thing, just so many. Yeah, yeah. But it was kind of, kind of like nice though because the dogs there in Tanzania were like,

you could tell that they could just kind of like go into people's homes and just kind of like go hang out. Yeah, yeah. Because they were like, like, you would see one and they would just kind of like walk right into the thing and then they would kind of like, oh, come on up, you know,

like how like, put the jumps on the stool and like in Lord of the Rings as I kind of do that with a knife. Right, right, right, right. That's cool. What a, why, why that specific, right? No, I really like Lord of the Rings. Valid.

Yeah, you had a really weird experience, right, Joe? Because you had a cat as a kid, right? Yeah, something like that. And then I had, I had... And you became allergic? And then I became allergic. So, it was so weird. So, like, I had, so when I was born,

I had one cat called Marble. Right. And she was really cute. And then she died shortly after I was born because she was quite an old cat. And then we got two more cats, because my parents just fucking love animals.

Like I was surrounded by animals in my entire life. Yeah. So I had these two cats, little guy and Porky. And I had them until I was maybe like 10 or 11 years old. Yeah.

And then just completely coincidentally, like two weeks after my last cat, Porky had passed away, I was going to go get an allergy test, right? Because I'd never got one in my life. So my mom was just curious being like, oh, I wonder if you have any food allergies

or, you know, medicinal allergies or whatever. And because it's free in Australia, right? So it's like, yeah, fuck it, let's go. So I went to go get it. And then I did the test and I remember specifically, there was one part of my arm that was really fucking itchy. Yeah. I was just like, oh shit, like yeah,

I definitely have an allergy towards something. I don't know what it is. And then the doctor came in and they were like, yeah, so you're allergic to cats. And I was like, that doesn't make sense. I had a cat up until two weeks ago. Yeah. The doctor explained that apparently,

it's like a thing where if you're surrounded by a certain allergenic for your entire life and then suddenly it gets cut off, your body has like a whiplash effect where you can actually develop an allergy. Again, I'm not a doctor, I don't know how accurate. Let me tell you what happened, Joey. Your body was like, I will never love another cat again.

Yeah. I am not allowed to love any more cats. Dude, that's honestly probably what happened. Which is sucks because I fucking love cats. And it's like, and now like, you know, over time, like I've just grown to like get allergic to like all sorts of different animals. Do you feel any like ever itchy nose when you put your like face in decado at all? So okay, so for dogs and some other animals, it depends. So like with dogs,

I'm allergic to some breeds. Okay. But not others. I'm probably okay with Kato. Because normally I would be sniffling like a motherfucker right now. But I've gotten pretty close to him already. Like he was sitting here just a moment ago and I'm completely fine. Okay. Yeah. So I think I'm okay with him, but like some other like long haired dogs for instance, the moment I enter, like it got so bad to the point I remember where in high school where I went to a friend's house for the first time and I started sniffling outside of his house and I said, do you have a dog in your house? And he was like, yeah, how did you know?

I feel like I can, because I'm fucking dying right now. That's like a super power. Yeah, like my sinuses are getting destroyed right now and so I could tell immediately. Damn, yeah. I like, I just, I used to, I have hated cats for so long. Right. And only recently have I met a couple really sweet cats

and I'm just like, oh my fucking God, I'm so wrong. By default. I'm allergic. Join the close. It was so fucking annoying. I was like, oh, you're just the sweetest little baby and I love you.

It was like a little stray that we found and then we got him a new home, but we had to give him away because I would, I put my face into him and he was like, drooling on me and I was like, I had a fucking came out and you're like, fucking came out and I was like, I think I'm allergic. That's rare because like 99% of the time,

cats are cunts. They are assholes. They're such asshole creatures, but there's something about them where you just like, it's because it's- I forgive you. Yeah, it's a hard level game. The reason why people like cats is because if that cat likes you and nobody else,

that's a, that's a, I'll tell you what it is. Cats are just, cats are just, cats are just the cindrays of the animals. Right, right, right, you're like, you fucking, why do you want a dog? You should have a cat. I want a cat as well, honestly.

Like, I'm, I'm-a-hiva, that's like a cinderey dog. Yeah, yeah, yeah, that's why I want a Shiva actually, yeah. I don't know, it's just like, I get it because like, you know, They're like fucking moody teenagers a lot of the time, like, they just do their own shit. But then the moment they show a slight bit

of like love towards you, you're like, yeah, yeah, yeah, you're little fucking, you're little dick in. Actually, there's, we, in my house in England, we have like, the neighbor has a cat, right? But it like comes into our garden so often that me and Sydney just like, we didn't know what its name was,

so we kind of just like gave it a name. Right, yeah, right. So I don't know why, how does name came about, where we just started calling her Scarlett Joe. This poor cat has identity issue. So I don't know who I am anymore. And initially, initially, she would come over and she'd see us and she would like fucking scuttle off

or something. And then slowly but surely, like she'd come over to our like garden so often that, you know, we, you know, we started like trying to give her a little bit of attention. At first she was like, no, get the fuck away from me. Get away from me, get away from me, right? Right. And then like, what happened was we moved to Thailand, me and Sydney moved to Thailand, right?

And after we had come back to England for like, for like a quick trip, we'd go outside. And then Scarlett Joe just fucking bolts it towards us to be like, oh, oh my God, where are you? And like, that was the first time we were able to pet her. And we were able to pet her for like a four, five minutes. And it's just like, all right, I don't like you anymore. The honeymoon phase is over. Yeah, the honeymoon phase is over. But it happens every time now where we go away, we come back to England.

Yeah. And she sees us. She's like for the first, like, for the first meeting, she's like so excited. And I'm like, yes, I live for this. I live for this. You totally just reminded me. This is the most Australian story I have.

But we had that exact same experience in our neighborhood. But instead of a cat, it was a rock wallaby. What's a rock wallopee? So think of, think of a kangaroo, but like miniature size. Oh my gosh. And it's just these like wallop. Bollabies that just like, like, they just hop around in the forest, like, along, like, rock, like, structures. And we had one because, like, I live right next to, like, a national park.

Yeah. So it was, like, just my back hill was a national park. So, like, every now and then, we would just see this rock wallaby on, like, on the street. And we're like, oh, that's, like, oh, that's really cute, you know. But, like, you know, but, you know, but it was no biggie, right? Because it's, like, national parks right there, you know, whatever. But then, like, the more I saw it, the more it would, like, get closer to me. Yeah, yeah.

And get more comfortable with me, even though I wasn't doing anything to it. I was like, slow a little way. Yeah, I would walk, yeah, I would walk back home from school and they would just be like, the Rockwellby, I'm like, oh, you're a lot closer than last time.

So I'm like, maybe I can pet him. Maybe I can muster up the energy to pet him. So I remember one day, yeah, as I was coming back from school, same fucking Rock Wallaby like hops over. And I was like, I'm gonna go towards it. I'm gonna try my chances. But like, because it's a Rock Wallaby, right,

they're really fucking like cautious. They're like the squirrels of Australia. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. A fucking mini kangaroo is the squirrel of us. But like squirrels are kind of the same thing where they're like, sometimes they'll come close to you because they're a little curious. They'll never let you pet them.

But they'll never let you pet them. Yeah, yeah, yeah. So I was like, so I got close and it was, and it'd be like, oh, step back, motherfucker. It's like, we're cool, but we're not that cool. You know, but then eventually it got to the point where I got one pet in and I was like, yes!

It was the best feeling. I was like, mom, can we, can we have the rock wall with me? I wanted us a point. But yeah, you can't do that in Australia, unfortunately. But I remember that. Australians are addicted to the energy of petting. We just love animals, man. You were saying before, like Australians just are good with animals.

You really are. I feel like you have to be to survive, though. That's like not a symbiotic relationship. Yeah, yeah, exactly. It's like, we won't fuck with you as long as you don't fuck with us. That's what it is. Yeah, every time I'm like scrolling on TikTok and I see some Australian guy fucking with like an animal,

it's like, it will have like a full-on tarantelon is like, and he'll be like, oh, you're right, man, you're right, all right. Sometimes these guys get a little bit in your house, you just go let him go. He's like, put him down, you know? And he's like, all right, see ya. And then everyone in the comments, like, what a fucking giga chat.

Like, just loud. Nope, he's just a stream. Yep, no. You guys are like, that fucking, what are those, like, fucking guy, like creatures called in like Avatar? Where they, like, have to be like, one with nature, right? In order to survive.

Sorry? Zahelaheloo? Wait, what kind of avatar? Like, James Cameron, James Cameron. Oh, yeah. I thought you made about the air. I should have said James Cameron, Avatar. Yeah, so Zahelu.

Yeah, yeah, exactly, right? You know that net off by heart. Because I fucking love Avatar and I want to be an avatar. That's the blue people, right? Are you the only person excited for Avatar too? Okay, look. Are you the reason James Cameron is still like, I promise there's gonna be four of them.

Four, okay, like the only thing that I think, okay, I love the idea of aliens and just like leaving and then dipping and I love the old, like, I built fairy houses, all of nature, I want to have a property and like live out in the forest. You know, this is like my jam on steroids. Obviously it's gonna be bad. I'm still gonna watch it.

I hope it's not bad because he's hyped this shit up more than anything. The fact that just the anime, I just wanna see what people are able to do with like the animation and everything. Nowadays, yeah. Well, I mean the other movie that he kind of helped with,

the anime adaptation movie that he didn't direct, but he kind of helped. What's it one? Oh, Love Death and Rolls? No, no, no, no. No, he, uh, that's David's. What was the anime with the girl, the big eyes? Alita, that's what you.

Yeah, Alita, like, that was like, I think he worked a lot with the people who did it. And so I think if it's that good quality, Alita was really fucking good looking. Yeah, it looked awesome. I didn't see it, so. It looked fucking awesome. It was all right.

I mean, it was, I like Alita. I thought Alita was really good. It was a good film. What I want them to do is I want this stuff to go well with this kind of animation so they could redo the World of Warcraft movie, Completely animated. That's not gonna happen.

That's not gonna happen. That's not gonna happen. I mean, the Halo one was rough. I, look. Does Halo even have a good storyline to adapt? Actually, yeah, it kind of does. It's kind of a sick world. I never paid attention to it.

It's a really cool world concept. Really? Yeah, it's a shame they turn into this fucking mediocre shit fest. They just gotta take chief, actual chief. And like, and like animate little tiny Cortana and like all that stuff. And then yeah. There's a lot of politics in Halo. Like a lot of politics.

It works really all. Arbiter is fucking sexy. Yeah, the Arbiton. Oh, Brian has the mark of shame on the back of his like. No way. It's fucking sick. Oh yeah. I could love all the Arbiton memes.

I think it's time to finish. Yeah. I think like who wants to make like a compilation of just like Jessica noises? Although you've made on this podcast. Notting over monsters. Trugat, oh. So you don't have a point when you can just,

can he destroy me? Oh, fuck him. Jesus Christ. Sorry. Well, thank you so much for watching this episode of Trash Tays. Hey, look at all these patrons though. Oh my god, do you see them all?

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I don't have to tell you. Go check out, Jess. Be good to each other, be kind. Life is short. you don't know what's gonna happen, so enjoy every moment. Okay, we'll leave her stuff in the description anymore. I thought you were just gonna shout out your social.

Oh, no. That too, that too. Fuck. What kindness. Yeah, out of kindness. Well, thanks for having me. I'm so stark. Yeah, so good to see it.

And hopefully you guys enjoyed this episode and we'll see you the next one. Bye.