Trash Taste Podcast - Sitting Down With a Real Japanese Host | Trash Taste #78

Episode Date: December 10, 2021

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That was a Joey intro. That was a Joey intro. We've gone from like Combeeney, I'm not gonna say the words, to I'm dead inside. How did we go from one side to the other, Joe? It makes no sense. Tragic evolution. Yeah, that's what happens, man.

When you do trash taste for that long, that's what happened. We have devolved. We've devolved. Yeah. I'm Joey and as always I'm with the other two people who are dead inside, gone and Connor. You're making me dead inside. No, no.

Who's our guest, Sherry? I don't know. Introduce yourself. Well, what's up guys? It's your homie, John, aka sushi kebab guy. Nice to meet you all today. How are you, man? I'm good, bro.

You are so nervous, it's so funny. Shit myself, man, oh my God. So Jan is a friend of ours, a mutual friend of ours, and you are, or you were, a host. Indeed. Yeah, I mean, we met you through mutual friends, but like, you know when you, you know when you meet someone in your life, and you just think, like, wow,

you're one of the most interesting people I've ever met. Thank you. Because like, Jan's one of those people who, whenever you go to a party, whenever you speak to him, he'll have a new story every fucking time. And like, I don't know how you do it. But like, because we've hung out so many times. And every time we hang out, you come out with a new story

about something that's happened in your life. So like, even on this podcast, there's so many questions I want to ask about you're just like life experience here in Japan. Because like, unlike any of our previous guests, Jan doesn't have an internet presence. True. Yeah. Yet, yet.

Yet. So understandable that he's a bit nervous, so go easy on him, guys. But it's also like how often do you just like come across a dude who used to be a host? Yeah, because like I feel that's just like a part of like Japanese subculture life that you just don't hear about, right?

Yeah, it seems very, very Japanese and from what I saw it's extremely Japanese. Yeah, also the only, I feel the only time you would ever get to know a host is if you yourself end up going to a host club enough that you get to know a host, right? And I mean, the three of us don't. I mean, almost no foreigners become hosts anyway.

Like even if you're a hobby, for like me. Yeah. No one really like applies to become one. Yeah, so you're half Turkish, half Japanese. Half Turkish, half Japanese. So matter how those left. If any Turkish people watching, what's up?

Yeah. You got to, man. Is that part of Turkish culture? Hell yeah, man. Anytime we go out and we're with Jan, he meets another Turkish person. For sure, it's like the long-bush brothers. And like, you get free shit and like,

you take care of them, they take care of you. And I'm just like, what is going on? It's like the world's strongest magnets. They're just like, from distant. I remember we got a restaurant one time and they were like, you gotta leave in like one hour. And then the guy, the manager of the restaurant was Turkish. And he was also named Jam.

Oh yeah. Dude. And it was like, that's right. It was like the moment that he found that out, it was like, oh no, no, you stay as long as you want. Yeah, I remember that. Whatever you want to do? You know, it's like, what is this, bro?

What is this? This is insane. They actually wanted to move us, if remember. Yeah, they did. Oh, yeah, yeah. So I think we managed to stay in our, you know, our spot, like they move the guests away, you know. Yeah. Like, people fucking book that place, you know,

like we're going over our time. And then they told the guests like, oh, these guys, you know, they're not gonna move. How about you guys go there? I mean, Japanese people, they go to that guest. They go to that guest, like, are you a Jan? I didn't think so. I think where if you hang out with you,

one thing you notice is that, yeah, you're not very Japanese in certain ways, I'd say. Well, I mean, I hope so. But like you, that's almost, you know, being a host requires you to be extremely extroverted. And I think that applies to you. I've never seen someone haggle in Japan. Yeah.

But this man, this man haggles in Japan. I didn't even know you were like allowed to haggle in Japan until I saw a Jandah. Well, hey, you gotta try it, right? And then see what happens. Yeah, right, but like just based on like, just pre-assumptions of how Japanese, like, you know, that kind of stuff

in Japan works, right? It's like, I was watching you haggle for the first. I'm like, I was scared, I was like, you're doing something illegal? Yeah, yeah. Because it just looks so wrong. Yeah, I'm just like, sometimes you go out with Jan and I'm just like, I didn't know you could do this.

Yeah, because it just wasn't part of like the rule sets that I was taught in Japanese culture. But I mean, I guess that's how you found yourself in a position like becoming a host. I mean, you know, it's- Yeah, we should go like the back story of how Jan, or I guess how you first of all, like, ended up coming to Japan.

Sure, sure, sure. Because you were you born in Japan? No, I was born in Turkey actually. Okay. So I was born and raised in Turkey until it was like 16. Japanese school until seventh grade. and then international school until 10th grade. And then I moved to United Arab Airments, Dubai.

That's how the local saved. So I was in Dubai for two years, came back to Turkey for uni for two years, went to Czech Republic, and then on my final year, I went to Jochida yoke, so Tokyo. I graduated here, and then decided to stay here. So I was in Jocci, and then, you know,

what was that, graduated? Yeah, Yotsiya. Yeah, it's like a central Tokyo university. Yeah, it's like a central Tokyo university. It's a university, bro, like one of the four, you know, hottest chicks in Tokyo. That's what they say in the show of the university. What are they, they call university the hottest chick?

No, no, there's like top four in terms of hottest girls. Oh, right, right. Like, Aoyama. So we clearly know why he decided to go to this union. So you were born, a host, I guess. Bro, no, okay, so I'm a fucking introvert guys. Shut up.

Bro. Like, actually, that's the biggest lie of the century. This guy's been on YouTube for five minutes and I was claiming to be an intro. Oh, come on. Like actual introverts watching this show. Like, get the fuck out of here, dude. Like, you are not one of us.

I swear to go, like, like, the internet has ruined the term introvert now. Because now everyone claims to be an introvert. Now we have a literal fucking hug. You can't just say you're an introvert to try and be humble. What does your justification of being? Sorry? Tell us why.

Yeah, why are you an introvert? All right, so, for example, I love just being by myself. Who doesn't? Okay, you know, see, the thing is like, you know, I feel the need to hang out, you know, I understand that. Yeah. Because if I don't, I don't get to make new friends,

I don't get to do fun stuff. Yeah. But when I'm like outside hanging up with people, I should shoot you not, like, 95% of the time, I'm always like, I'd rather be at home play, you know, League of Legends or some shit. Or you know, like, watch anime. That doesn't make you an introvert.

That just makes you unsociable. I don't even want to play league, you know. I definitely don't want to be. Maybe he is introverted then. See, dude, that's what I'm saying, bro. Like, I should you not. I do spend a lot of time outside socializing with people because I also do

enjoy that. No, no, okay, but like, I think, I think you understand, you need understand an introverted person is incapable of being social. No, no, no, no, no, no. Yeah, because, because, because of, because either because they don't have the confidence to be social, or because they don't know how to. That's, that's how I see an introverted. Like, like, I, like, obviously, if you're introverted, you know, you're, an introvert doesn't mean, like, you're scared of social interaction, you know, that might be some introverts, but that's not, like, that's not every introvert. It's like a level scale, you know. Yeah. There's the severity.

There's, yeah, yeah, yeah. But like, I'd say I'm an introvert, and the best way I can describe it is that, you know, I can be a social person, but I have, I have this battery, right? It's my social battery, right? And if I don't interact with people for a long time, that battery, like, it fills up to the point where it starts, like, overflowing

to be like, okay, I just wanna go out and talk to people. Right, right, right. But when I go out and socialize, that battery depletes, and depletes more, depletes more. And sometimes it just gets completely fucking empty. Like, you boys are, Hang out with me sometimes where I'm just like, I'm just not gonna say a word this time,

I'm hanging out, I'm just like, you guys can just talk and I'm just gonna sit here. Is that, is that, does it have to do with being introverted though? Yeah, because- Because I feel even extroverts like that. No, I'm tired. Yeah. What I've heard about extroverts

is that they actually get energy from, from social interaction. So they start off the day with an empty battery, and then they go out and socialize, and that's how they energize themselves. Right. That's how I feel, okay. Yeah, so, if I'm alone for too long, I start to get like,

like sad and shit. Yeah. Right. Do you now? Yeah. So, so, yeah, Connor's definitely. Bro, guys, you know,

I invited this guy, well, I invited myself over to his house. You don't, yeah, if there's one thing you need to know about Jan, you don't invite Jan. Jan invites himself.

No, come on. So I'm gonna get cold out now. To watch the fucking finals. Well, not the finals, but, you know, Tvon versus Don Juan. It was out with League of Legends. Yeah.

Yeah. So, you know, because I heard this guy mentioned that, you know, he feels lonely. People don't hit him. No, no, no, no. That's misconstrued. He has no, I got you, man. Let's force some league. Let's have a nice drink together. Let's hang out. And he's like, ah, you know, excuses. No, no, no, no, no. That's not what happened. Shut the fuck. I agreed to go to something. And I forgot. And then I went to the thing. And it, yeah, it wasn't that good. I write the wish I watched the League of Legends. Yeah, that's what we were telling me. And I was like, well, well, hmm. Yeah. So like going back to the hosting and you know your back story for say. So you are half Japanese, half Turkish. Yeah. So your mom taught you Japanese?

My dad is Japanese actually. Ah, okay, okay, okay. Yeah, and my mom's Turkish. So you are, so, because you're, like that. I love my mom. Yeah, the plus is what man. If I think about her, I gotta say something nice.

I'm sure she's just a lovely lady. That's cute, yeah. So like, how did you get fluent? Because you're pretty damn fluent. Oh, so. I'm gonna go, we were saying, no, as someone who also is, you know, half, not even half actually, my parents,

my, you know what I'm half? I was about to be like, what are you half with? My parents are fully tied, but I grew up in a different, yeah, right, right, yeah, yeah, yeah. So it's half in a sense, but like, I'm full-blooded tie, but still, I grew up in another culture, and I'm, I wouldn't say I'm, like, fully fluent in Thai, you know?

Yeah, yeah. So if you're fluent in a, you know, I say like your mother tongue language, like Joey is, you really had to go out and study it. So how did you get fluent in it? Well, you know, I lived in Turkey, so I didn't really have to study it. Yeah. Because I'm, like, surrendered by it.

Yeah. But Japanese, so, starting from first grade, I was enrolled in a Japanese school until seventh grade. Right. And my dad never spoke to me in any other language. You know, he was so persistent to just speak to me in Japanese that, you know. That's exactly how my mom did. Yeah. Bro, see?

Yeah. Great parenting, girl. Yeah, exactly. Now we're fine. Look at us. Look at us. Look at us. I agree though, like that is the 100% the way to do it.

Because any other method, if you slip up with another language, then it just lets the kid know, oh, I can get you fluent though? Because I swear, you're fluent. That takes you up to a certain level, but it doesn't get you like. Oh, I mean, yeah, you always have to study it as well. I did a lot of it, I'm sure you did as well.

Yeah, dude. So my dad, so to go over the story, there were like chores that I can earn money out of by filling out kanji-dur-do-you. So like the kanji-studying fucking textbooks. Yeah. If I like got one correct, I would get like 0.5 Turkish Liras, which is like, you know, like 10 yen or some shit.

Yeah. So you know. You got money for studying? Well, like. I just got my meal for the day. I think that wasn't a reward in my house. That was like an obligation. He was in a pay to win house.

Yeah, right? What about. He came out of the womb haggling. It's like, mother, trade off a mother. I complete kanji test, you give me money. But yeah, I think that was one of the biggest incentives for me to actually learn. Well, yeah.

Money is a big incentive for a lot of things, you know. Yeah, because at that age as well, like even, you know, like 10 cents is like, whoa. Well, you know, yeah, we're trying to get your like ice cream money for the day, you know? Yeah, yeah. That's what you're like focused on. How did you decide how?

a pricing system. Where you're just like, you know, I'll learn 10 counting. That actually, I actually had to have it with my dad. Obviously. So actually,

you know, now that you guys talk about it. Yeah. Actually, I want to kind of go on a huge tangent. Oh, this is trash days. Fitting in a ride.

You know, whenever I went to your house and I can get with, you know, all of us and whatnot, yeah. There would always be a period where it's only you and me

on your balcony and we're like reflecting on our lives. Yeah. It's like the, it's like the, 5 a.m. talk. Right, right. I'm always gone by like 3.

Yeah, yeah, I know. You're always just like peace out. But then, you know, Garn's always like, bro, why are you still fucked up? Tell me about it. You know, calling me out now. You're asking that to me, you know. It really, really helped me, you know,

go over stuff with you because, I mean, it's a new perspective that you're adding here, right? Oh, thank you, man. Like, how I know when I'm going to bed, when I hang out with Jan, is when I see the sun. That is how that's like, well, the sun's kind of coming up, Jan. I should probably get to bed right now.

I just love how you just, you found out how fucked up your life was because God was like, why are you so fucked up, bro? Well, like, he really, you know, in detailed fashion, he went over certain, like, aspects of what we talked about, you know, how I ended up doing certain things,

some decision making. And, you know, really, like, put your own thought into your answers and your evaluation. that made me kind of understand. Oh, thank you. God's a good father figure. Yeah, he's a good father figure, for sure.

Father figure slash therapist, I would say. Come on, I'm just a big brother. Come on. I'm not a dad here, guys. I'm not a dad, yeah. He's the Oni-chan of trash tears, that's for sure. Gaunt is the wisest person, I know. Yeah.

I'd say so. I think it's the zen-like monk state that he has. That's very sure. God just sees things, like, differently. I don't know. You see, it hits different. He sees things to his third-eye. He does, bro.

He does. Except for food. Except for that. He sees through his third eye, but his other two eyes, he doesn't see shit. God'll be right, but I'll just disagree with it. Just for like the sake of, right. One random question, do people still pick on you

for the way you drink stuff? Yeah. I mean, I'm not, okay. Have you seen that song, read it? Here's the thing, here's the thing. In my entire life, no one has ever picked on me for the way I drink stuff. And now only as trash states started,

as people have I noticed how I drink things. I drink things and I've never noticed that before. Before I started trashed takes. You on camera sucks, huh. Thank you. You are kind of forced to strive for perfection on this show. Like any one slip up in our audience is like, Gotcha.

I don't care anymore, I'll fucking. Oh, God. There you go, there you go. You're like literally dribble. So damn, you got like fluent and kanji, I guess, simil layers of Joey. Can't write for a shit though. You can't write, but you can read.

Can't you, right? Yeah, yeah, yeah. It's the usual. I mean, when I talk to Jan, it's like I'm talking to a native. I can tell not only you are actually fluent, but you also like, because you know there are people who just know the vocab but don't actually understand the culture

behind the language. When I speak to Jan, it's like he clearly also gets the culture. I think that's because we both follow anime manga, you know, like beat into that shit. Yeah, but I mean, it also helps again that your dad, you know, did that whole Jul, true, true. Orleans and Japanese technique,

which I honestly would recommend any parent. No, yeah. I mean, there's two examples that's been proven to work, right? It's a must, man. I think so. Honestly. I think so.

So when did you move to Japan originally to like come live here? So I visit every year to see my grandparents and hang out here. I think that's one of the reasons also why, you know, that there's no cultural gap. My vocabulary, for example. Yeah, yeah. But I moved here permanently about three years ago. So right after, you know, graduating from Jochi, you know, to actually start working here. I didn't even get my house.

No. So that's never been my last. like main proficient. Right, right. Yeah, so. Is it like a side hustle? Yeah, basically. How long are you doing it for that?

Um, so, of course I started after 18. Yeah, of course, of course. Like I started anytime before that, but, um, so, so it's been how long, seven years since I started, I guess, huh?

Because I'm 25 now. Is that, is that a long time for a host? Like, what's like the average that a host would be a hostfully? Dude, it really depends on the club, but I would say like the general, lifespan of a single host is pretty short. Yeah, it seems like it.

Pretty sure. Yeah, honestly. But the thing is like in my case, for example, you know, I would, I wasn't like a full time, right? Yeah. Like, for example, until I moved here permanently, it was always like a summer one month thing. So for like the audience or

like the customers, it was like, oh my God, I can only see this dude one month out of the whole year. That's crazy. Because for me, it's like, during my breaks, I would just like go and play Xbox the whole time. I didn't even have the capacity to even find this. Jan was on that grind.

Yeah, how did you even like, so you became a host, you said like, what, for one month for summer? From, like, how did that stuff? How did that? What, like, I'm so curious. Okay, so to go over, since, you know, even before I was 18, I would always go to Kabukicho.

You know, the, the host center. Yeah, the red light district. Exactly. The closest thing to about light district. That's where all the, amalgamation of all the, you know, fun, cool shit in talking happens. And sketchy stuff. Yeah.

Also very sketchy stuff. But, you know, like, would hear stories from my dad how the street was because my dad used to work there too at a bar called sabotent my dad is like a huge ass motherfucker so he was like a bouncer for one of the you know bars back in the day right so he would tell me how he used to play a card with like you know people who are missing a portion of their finger right right right so i was really curious to see like what is this place like now so i would go there with my you know for you're 18 just to look around you know so i would go there and like the people there just you know

Treated me like I'm an adult, you know? Right. I mean, it did be like that when you're like half Turkish. Yeah, exactly. You have a fucking beard like this. If you're a beard, you're 40 years old in Japan. Yeah, exactly. I never had an issue with buying or doing anything here, you know.

Yeah, yeah. So, yeah, I thought someone would go there just to experience what it's like, you know, see places. It's not like I did anything. We're just, you know, looking. Yeah, yeah. And then, you know, once I turned 18, I decided, well, when I'm going to Japan, I should probably make some money,

meaning I should do some baito. Because my dad was like, well, now that you're 18, I ain't gonna give you any money, bro. Just do something. You know? So I was like, all right, am I gonna work at a fucking pizaya?

Yeah. Or hosto. And then I decided to choose the pizzias. Wait, why would the, why was that your two options? Look, there's more choice. So when I was 18, when I was like,

my father, I will work for dominoes or the sketchiest bar in Tokyo. Which one should I choose? Extremes. Yeah. We put it like that, it's like such fucking... It's not my first two choices. I can't say that.

Okay, okay. So to go over why that... You could have just worked at McDonald's time. Yeah. Convenie or something, you know? The way it transpired is that when I turned 18, near my parents' house, there was a Pizaya called...

I'm not going to name it because it's my surname. What was a Pizzeria? Pizza. Yeah, okay. I understood that was it. I should really make sure. Yeah, yeah.

It's a pizza shop. So the shop's name was literally my surname. So I went there, chat with the guy. He was like, yo, we have the same surname. He looks like exactly like me, bro. This guy, Japanese, has a beard, huge nose and everything. Was he Turkish? No, he's not. He's not. But we came

really good friends, and he was like, why don't you work here? You know, I heard you're here for the summer, you know, I'll give you good cash, 900 in an hour. Yeah. Ball and... It's like, it's like 10 bucks an hour. But he was like, you know, free food all day, bro. I'm like, shit, let's go. So I started working there for, you know, a few months.

Yeah. When I was 18, I stayed in Japan for much longer than one month, actually. Probably like four months. The first two months I was there, my work there. And then I started taking night shifts because my, you know, Taintschow wanted me to make drinks and serve it to the customers at the counter. And he said, it's like a pizza place that served alcohols. Exactly. Right, right, right.

And then the main customers that come in the evening were, um, mils, let's say. I'm happy with that. So he was like, yo, John. And so he's like an ex sports teacher. And he still has good ties with the school. And all of his like, you know, like ex students, he's still in contact with. Now are old adults. Yeah.

And most of the females are like married. They have kids. They're like 25. And, you know, when you're 25 and you're married to a 30-year-old Japanese guy and he's away a lot. And, you know, maybe he has like an erectile dysfunction. He kind of want to. She kind of wants to go talk to other people, right? Okay.

I was going to say that. We fucking are the pizza area. I'm fucking a Chuck E-Checks. I'm just going on. I'm just going on. I'm just about like what you're describing literally sounds like the start of a porn. Right, right, right.

Guys, that's gonna happen a lot throughout this episode. Okay. I mean, one thing that we should pretty mention is that cheating culture in Japan is pretty prevalent, right? It's fucking. It's very normal, unfortunately. Nuts, bro.

Yeah. That's crazy. Yeah. So I started working at this piece of place, taking the nice show, it's making drinks for these and I realized they're coming back specifically to chat with me.

That's what the boss is telling me. They're like, yo, these ladies, they wanna hang out with you after. Dangerous feeding an 18 year old. Yeah, yeah, and then I realized that they're allowed to buy drinks for me while, you know, I'm making drinks for them. So I'm like, you know. The fuck kind of pizza place is this?

It's not a pizza place. Yo, guys, it is. What's happening? Chuck you, where did we get the drinks from? I thought, I thought we, I had the image of like, the domino's counter and you were just, I don't think this is a pizza place, I think this is a bar that serves pizza.

Well, it's like a really high-end pizza place that has a really, really sexy counter with a lot of high-end alcohol kind of lined up. Right. Okay. And then there's a nice, you know, stool that people can sit on and then drink one to one with the bar together. Right, right, right.

So a bar. With pizza attached to that. Yeah, yeah. So it's a bar that serves pizza. It's not a pizza place, yeah. So when the wife goes there, she can be like, no, no, I'm not gonna go a bar. I'm gonna be a pizza.

It's a sort of fat pepperoni. That's a excuse for your husband. Yeah. Okay. You don't have to fear the pizza boy. He's a pizza boy. Yeah. So after like a month or so working there, you know,

in the night shift, I realized that, you know, I'm maybe good at this. So my boss was like, and he's such a nice guy, bro. You know, he's respect to him. Yeah, of course, of course. Because I go hang out with him still at his house and shit. So he told me, you know, you told, because I was telling him,

talking to him about becoming a hostel, like, initially. But I told him, you know, like, I don't want my parents down or shit like that. Okay, so why did you wanna be a host initially before you enter? Easy money, man. Easy money? Bro, guys, like, think about it.

There's a job where you literally get paid money to drink with girls. Yeah, the money-in just chat with them. When I did my video, the money I saw that they were getting paid was insane. It's nuts. It was like, some of them could make like $50,000 a night. Yeah.

Easy. If it's your birthday. Why are we YouTube? They were like, they fucking left at me. When they were like, how much you make? And I told them how much I made, like, the year before. And they were like, that's how much you made? They all started to fucking laugh.

I was like, what that fun? They're like, look at this peasant. So don't pay tax, you know? Yeah, yeah. Oh, it's all cash in. Yeah, exactly. Just write off, whatever the fuck. It's crazy, bro.

So, okay, so what was the process of, like, getting into your first hosting job then? Okay. So after the piece of stuff, I decided to apply, right? Yeah. You can just... Like, do you just talk to someone or do you have a job offer or? Yeah, yeah.

So you go on the fucking internet, guys. Holy shit. And... So you just type in, you know, host club, Tokyo. And then you just find... Craigslist, right? So you just find the nearest one. So I went to the one in Ikibukro

because that was like five minutes train away from where I was living at that time. Yeah. Not sure if that was a... Attention. That was a tension. This is like his host, his host started coming out. He's drinking a gin and tonic, by the way.

Oh, yeah, guys. It's like two in the afternoon. We want to drink, but we can't. We have our health check. Yeah, we have a health check. Let me go over just like real quick. I have to get out of my chair. So people, listen to me.

Okay. We've been discussing about, you know, this podcast day. Yeah. A year, you know, since we met. We were trying to get a channel for a while now. And then I was always like, you know, we're going to get fucking smash when I show up, right? Are you guys fucking ready?

And last week, I had to cancel because some shit happened. And then, you know, I said about next week. And what is it? Yeah, let's do it. And I show up today with this bottle. And their first thing they say, they're like, ah, you can't drink today, though. Damn.

I'm sorry. To be fair, Jan, we have been asking you for a whole year. You've had 52 weeks, which is not this week to say yes. So that's a valid enough excuse to not let me know that you can't drink this week. We didn't think about it. We didn't think about it. We actually, I actually completely forgot I had a health checkup until this morning I came out.

Yeah, yeah, I was like, oh yeah, that's tomorrow, shit. I have no excuse me. I mean, it's okay, we'll drink when the cameras are off when it's not today. Yeah, like we always do, yeah. Like we all, like we literally always do. In fact, the day that this episode goes up, we'll drink, how's that. Fuck yeah, let's do it.

So save it until this. Cheers, I'll camp-a-you-cumpur-you-s. Yeah, yeah, some cucumber water. There's, bro. Shit, you leave me hanging, bro. I thought like campai gone. I thought it was like a group campai. Yeah? No, it doesn't work that way, bro. You know, because I don't go around campying everyone individually. I'm like, cheers, cheers, cheers. I mean, Jan does, all right? He's a host, though. This episode is sponsored by ExpressVPN.

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All right, so yeah, tell us how you got into this. So you looked up host club, Tokyo, and then you played for a one in Niki Bukuro. Uh-huh. And then you just walked in? Yeah, basically. Is that easy? Well, they have an interview.

Okay. And they actually pay you to go to the interview. Can you believe that? Is that new or is that like, so it's always been like that. This is where the, you know, difference in clubs come in. So for example, if you go to a, you know,

very well-known club in Kabukchow, like Pratina, If you know, that's like one of the fucking most prestigious clubs. I know the name, yeah. Yeah. So they're not going to pay you to go there. You're going to go there, you're going to do the interview, and they're going to tell you to fuck off like 90% of the time.

Yeah, yeah. But smaller clubs, you know, but fuck nowhere, like Ikebukro, kind of. They are lacking staff. So they need more hosts to actually fill the, you know, place. Right. So they actually pay people to take the interviews because they can afford it. Wait, so they pay you even if you don't get in? Yeah, exactly.

They pay you for your time, right? Wow. So actually the first, yeah, go for. So is the host industry that big that we have like a shortage of like employees in the host industry? I mean there is a shit lot of host clubs and just in Tokyo, right?

So I mean, I guess the demand is there. Yeah? But like, I guess it's not really like apparent maybe. If you just look at it from a surface of like just how much in demand it is. I think back in the day, at least for girls bars, I read that they would literally just like hire tourists. Really?

No, they weren't, oh, they're not allowed to obviously. Yeah, yeah. Like they would hire foreign girls for girls bars on tourist fees. They were just literally, you could just like, girls would just walk into bars. I can believe that. Yeah, I wanna work here. Yeah, yeah, yeah, sure.

Wow. I met a girl like that the other day, actually. Of course he did. Near a girls bar next to my house that I always go to just to check out, like, who's new and stuff. There was this Russian girl. Was here for like exchange. Yeah.

You know, she's only here for like four months. Yeah, yeah, exactly. That's just be working. Yeah, exactly. Exactly, no, it's nothing legal, but she's still there. I'm sure that's not the dodgiest thing you've seen, but we'll get into, we'll get into some of the other stories later. So you join this, you know, you get paid for the interview.

Yeah, so I hop two places. And then at that time I was thinking like, how about I hop like 50 places and not join any of them? No, because when you said that they would pay you and not even join, I'm just like, I'm just like, that's an idea. Yeah, exactly. What if I just apply to jobs and not join?

How does this interview process go then? Is they, you just make you drink? So you go. You fill in like a basic sheet. That's kind of like the employment thing, your name, your address and whatnot. And then they ask you questions just to chat with you. You know, have you ever done this before?

Are you good at socializing? Can you handle drinks? I'm saying, no, I'm an introvert. I can't say. Yeah, I just, you know, watch League of Legends. I watch the League of Legends. Now, you know. Get out, get out.

Get out. You can't talk right now. But, yeah. I was gonna originally do like a hopping thing just to collect like, and they pay a lot. They pay like $4,000, someone to pay $6,000. So it's $40.60. Yeah, just to go to an interview, which

finishes like an hour, bro. I know, right, crazy. So how many hours was that at the pizzeria? It's like five, six hours in the pizza area, right? Six hours, like a single interview. That place was not about money. It's about like the friends we made along the way. Literally.

Oh, my fucking God, Jack. How much longer do we have to have him on the show? Whoa, come on now, man. I didn't start talking about the good shit, man. Okay, okay, okay, okay, okay. Bro, we need this to go down until like the mid-more. This is 47% by the way. I know, I know.

One shot of vodka. How sad is this, though, just getting smashed by myself? Anyway, yeah, so you decided to join the Ikebukkah award? Yeah, so after two interviews, I decided, you know what? I kind of liked this place. So it was a really interesting one Because until that point They never really made me sit with an actual customer

Right But for the Ikevikro place that I went to It was called Asid That place literally made me sit down with a customer And just drink with them Straight up Right So it wasn't even like it was like trial by fire

It was just around an actual customer that was there Yeah exactly exactly But it was like one of the closed You know customers of one of like the members there Right right right right The Chacho asked him like Is it okay if you have like this random ass guy I just chat with her for a bit,

just to see if he's capable. And, you know, she said, fuck, yeah. So I sat down, drank fucking Yeager Bonds with her. Oh, fuck. Fuck, fucking love you. Was that her choice? My choice, bro. Oh my gosh.

Of course you're 18 at the time. That makes so much sense. Yeah. Red Bull, red hole, red bull. Put it in my veins. So we drank, um, yiger bombs and Kokaredo. You know, cocaredero? Yeah, I know.

Yeah, yeah, yeah. She's crazy. The green one, right? That, like, it's got like some substance in it. It's like, touring, I think is actually in the cocktail, in the alcohol. Yeah, actually. Something like that, yeah.

It's awful for your heart. Yeah, I'm not surprised, bro. I think I served it in the gay bar video I did. Yeah, right. It's like a green at the bottom. It's like a red ball to bottom. Then it's just like not mix it. Red ball with cochlear?

Jesus Christ. Red bull in the bottom and the, that sounds fuck. And then it's the 40% spirit on top and like they're not supposed to mix. Yeah. So the idea is that it's like this presentation that's like fancy and stuff. Bloody hell.

It's shit. I think you can pull someone out of a coma with that. Yeah, genuinely, like, just, dude, let's just question people with that. The fucking baby will stop floating. Yeah, the baby will stop floating. Yeah, so fucking, she's just flown away. Sorry, go ahead.

Yeah, yeah, so you sat down with this lady. Oh yeah, just like try it out. So that was your first time. Yeah, first time member. Did you kill it? Did you go, well, was it awkward? Yeah. Not at all, man.

What is you drinking with her? You know, like, why did you come here? Well, I'm trying it out. I'm a student, blah, blah. Oh, she was, it's like she was interviewed. in years. Maybe she was the real... Kind of. That was the real interviewer. This is like some undercover boss.

I'm actually the owner. The thing is, I'll get into this a bit more later, but like, you know, in like the traditional way of doing a hostel, you're supposed to have the other person talk the most. And that's with any sales tactic, right? If you come out of an interview in general talking more than the other person,

that means you have to do the selling. Right. If you make the other person talk more, that means, you know, they're trying to do something to impress you or they're just having a good time that they just want to talk more. But in this case, she was just asking me questions. Like, where are you from?

Why did my fucking beard? How old are you 18? Holy shit look 35? Stuff like that. Yeah. More talk stuff. And like the more I answered stuff, intrigued her more to ask more questions.

So, you know, at the end she said, you know, I want to see this guy again. You know, fucking hire him. I was like, let's go. Start tomorrow. Right, right. Make it sound so simple. Just ask questions, bro. Yeah.

I mean, you guys probably not, but you could become a host of tomorrow, bro. Why mean? Because you speak Japanese. It doesn't mean I'm good at socializing. Nah, you're fine. Not that I have any plans to be a host. It's all right, guys, I'm not going to. Well, we have a plan, don't you think?

Yeah, I want to do like a version two of it. What do you mean? The host club video. Oh, the host club video, right, right, right. You go to Jan now, it's like, show you around. Yeah, exactly. Show you the world, right? Yeah, bro, I wanna take you to, you know,

my homies place. Show you around? When Jan says homie's place, it's like, I just think of like the most sketch shit. Yeah, so, like, so, I don't know why. I have, like, my, My preconceptions of host clubs and whatnot just because from filming my video

where I went to host club and I got to see everything there. And obviously we cut a lot of stuff that I couldn't share, but I, you know. One misconception I had about host clubs is that I thought you had to be like fucking, like literally looking like a rock star, like sexy as fuck. It's like you literally just have to have a like a gimmick.

Right. Almost. And this guy's gimmick was that he was an asshole. That was like his character, right? Mealien, was that? Yeah, so I think like, was what was it? And who's kind of, so who's, you know, he was a bit larger. Yeah, yeah.

But he was just big. He calls himself a pig. Oh, he calls himself a pig. And also, I'm very grateful they let me film. I mean, they really did, like, give me, like, all access and, like, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. They're really nice about it. Like, did you have to, like, hook them up and stuff?

No. No? No, I didn't do anything, did we? No. No, nothing? We literally just shouted out his YouTube, I think. That was it. Yeah, it was one of the situations where that's kind of dope.

I didn't really know what was going. I don't think any of us really knew what was happening. Right. We just kind of got dragged in and we were doing it and I don't know if I was gonna pay for stuff. Yeah, yeah, yeah. But like, you know, he was, from what I was gathering, like he was being rude, like it was partially a character,

but I think there was partially some of it that might have been how he actually days. It has to stem from somewhere, right? You know, he was trying to be funny as well. Like he was trying to crack jokes at my expense, which I didn't mind. You know, I can take that. I'm not self-conscious.

I'm not self-conscious. Yeah, I, I, yeah. I don't know. I, you know, sometimes when you bring cameras into a place like that, sometimes people feel like they wanna, you know, wanna show off. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. Do I seem like that to you right now?

No, no, no. I know that you, fuck off. You're more of an asshole off camera. Yeah. That is not the case. That is not the case. But yeah, it was interesting. I, what shocked me the most

was how like transparent it all was. Like, the whole, were like very transparent about that like, they were like, we don't care, but they do this whole act that they do care. But it's so obvious that they don't and they almost tell them that they don't care in many ways.

It's really- Oh, to the customers. Yeah, it's really strange. And that's where we go into the whole psychology of it and the tactics they employ, it's actually, you know, Garnerdy's. It's something I don't think I can quite, it's, if you're not from Japan, it would take years for you to wrap your head around because you feel like you need to understand

understand what led up to this as a culture. Yeah, yeah, yeah. So, so like, as a host, what is the big appeal of host clubs, you know, from the other side? Yeah, why do so many girls in Japan love going to host clubs? And like, not just going, but like,

spending, like, a gigantic amount of money for these hosts. Very good question. So this has kind of a lot of sides to it, but the main, you know, answer I would say is just the social structure of Japan itself. Right. I still also mentioned,

Japan is not really like a social-friendly place, especially when you look at the type of people that actually go to the host clubs. So again, a huge tangent. But the reason why I wanted to go to the host club or one of the reasons is to see what kind of people actually work there. What kind of people actually go there? Because it made no sense like, why would I spend money to chat with guys? Yeah. And I can just go to, you know, bar and pay to drink with a guy.

Right. That's a girl. Yeah. So once I entered, that was like the main thing that I looked like. What kind of people go there? Why do they go there? And what kind of people actually work there? So what I figured out is most of the customers that we would get,

and I'm sure it's the same across the board, there are also people who work in the nightlife. Yeah. I noticed. I know. I'm not immersed to the people. Like easy, I would say more than 80% of the people that we got, they were always, you know.

Like kebabura, soap, whatever, some kind of a nightlife where your pride, your dignity, it's fucking. and stepped on all day long and it's where you know you're out of your job the one thing you want is being pampered one thing you want is feeling like you're being respected one thing even if it's artificial as fuck yeah you know it you want to feel this guy giving you this utter you know sense of service and then you know do anything for you kind of thing yeah yeah yeah yeah quite depressing aspect of japanese culture many of yeah if you put it in that perspective yeah but it has his own culture within itself where

once you go a lot to a host club, for example, you get to meet the chateau, you know, like owners, basically of these host clubs. And they're not like, you know, random-ass people. They're usually very wealthy Japanese businessman. Yeah. And if you're in the nightlife, and then you get

to hang out with the chachos, you know, he might elevate you in some way or another. Maybe he might put you in a different, you know, like a kabakura or something, you know. So there's actually different reasons as to why you would go to a host club. Depends on the person. All right.

So how often would you get like, you know, like a newbie come to the host club? Like, you know, someone who- First time ever. Yeah, you know, someone who's like, say not part of like the industry or that kind of environment, someone just like. Someone is just like curious to be like,

oh, I wanna see what a host club is. Yeah, yeah. Actually, when you start off, that's your main goal. You go outside of the club, you go Nampa from the street with random girls and you let them. What's Nampa's like hitting? Yeah, you just hit on them.

Yeah, you know. Bro, you're like a two, 1010 YouTube. It's like, this fucking vitally. Are you want to make out? Cameras right there. Just kidding. So, you know, the thing was, you just grew up to them and be like,

hey, I work right there. You know, I would love to drink with you. It's $1,600 per hour on my whole day. Right. What are the, like, what's the success rate of this? Like, one in a hundred will be generous. Yeah, right. Oh, well, they'll do it just because they feel sorry for you.

Nah. Bro, it's Japan, bro. People value their time and money. Yeah. And privacy is. Exactly, exactly. No one appreciates some random dude getting this close and being like,

you know, no one's gonna be like, yeah, let's do it. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Because I see it all the time when you go to like Shibuya and Shinjukov, like these dudes who clearly work at host clubs. Yeah, going up to these girls. And these girls just don't even give them, like, any attention at all. They're used to it, bro.

Japanese girls that go to these places, they know that some catchy guy is gonna come to you. Yeah. Just, you know, walk straight ahead. Yeah, yeah. It's kind of the same with like, you know, maid cafes, but just like, off the opposite way of rounds, right?

Yeah. So like you go to Aki Harbour or, you know, Kabukes show and you like see a lot of maids on the streets trying to get people to come in their maid cafes as well. And you just like, like, don't even give them periphery at all. Just like, just like, don't make eye contact, don't make eye contact.

The moment they realized in the periphery, they are there, they'll just come up to you and like give your pamphler, right? Yeah, sucks. So like, so was that what you had to do as you, when you joined the host club? Was that like your first jobs? Oh, yeah. initially that was my first ever proper job after the you know pizza bar but yeah so for the first

you know a couple of months not even like first year because you know i wasn't living in japan so for the first time i was there and then second year that i was there you're going at 5 p.m clean the fucking place with your other homies that are not selling yeah so you just make everything pristine as fuck and then your sempies would come in and be like what's the fucking dirt there bro You know, that thing. I love that about Japan. I mean, but, you know, it's fun because I still make banter out of it, you know? Yeah.

Like, no one would go up to their sempai and be like, how about you do it, bitch? But I would do it, you know? Like, I just get pissed off and be like, you know, number one, you think you're this hot shit, bitch, come you clean it. I'm not doing it. Fuck you. And he'll be like, yo, I like you. The sempies are old sundaries.

That's the whole industry. They're like, oh. Because I'm fighting them. BL riders just got so much material. Yeah, right? Absolutely. And it's the same with the way you approach the customers because the number one rule they tell you when you join is

do not ask them personal questions. Don't ask them what they do. Their real name, their address, you know, how they make their living. It's so hard because I remember when I did it, I was like,

fuck, it's like when you meet someone, all you do is like, just ask them like, hey, what you do you do? Yeah, exactly. I was like,

oh, how do I don't know what to ask. And combined with the fact that I'm also, you know, used to that, but also my main purpose was to do a survey as to, you know, why the fuck do people come to these places anyway?

Yeah. So you know, I was like, crack, okay, first girl I ever go into, you know, why are you here? Why are you here? Yeah, right here. Yeah, and my same pies are just like, what the fuck. The girls like that? Well, that's what worked in my favor. Because I was acting like- That was your gimmick. Yeah, exactly. That's like, the girl's like, no one's, no one's ever offed me before. This is some fucking anime plot.

I was acting that Japanese, uh, sorry. I love that your gimmick is just, just, you know, that's just, You're the guy that gives the survey. Bring the survey guy. He is a YouTuber. Yeah. The social experiment guy. What's up guys?

I'm hearing kibbutzha. Gonna have chabucho. Well, the main purpose also was to get information. But again, I was playing this character where I'm that guyjin guy who has no idea what the fuck he's doing. But it's that friendly neighborhood, Guyjin.

is best, that character. So was that like a character you made up or was that something you were just like, okay, I know this is the character I'm gonna play and I'm gonna play out. I mean, quite naturally really, because I never gave a shit what they told me to do.

Because I was like, bro, you fire me today, I'll go to the next place, you know? They pay me money to go to the interviews. Like, I don't give a care. Right, right. Never give a fuck, so, you know. You figured out the system, man. Yeah, exactly.

Well, it's just all about not giving a fuck. I just love this one trick. click to find out so you know employing this tactic of just asking these girls like what do you do my main structure of conversation was literally just being a life coach to these girls

but just Bitcoin NFT buy invest invest just to go over like the general structure so I think last time I went over you know how I got chosen and shit so you know you clean this stuff, you start sitting down with girls and then when there's a new girl that comes in,

was never into that club before. What you do is each guy gets to sit down with her for five minutes. Yeah, yeah, just five minutes. You give your card, you compliment them, you talk to them, and then after five minutes, they switch around. I love that host clubs have business car.

A host hosts have business car. Yeah, I should have brought mine today, bro. It's really sick. It's like some stock trading stuff. I'll bring it out. Is it just like that scene from like American Scyco? Let me see your business card. Fine, cool.

Nice point. Italics. That's the five minutes. It's the off-line. It's off-line. Sorry, go ahead. Patrick Bateman moment, huh? Yeah, it really was.

So you had five minutes to prove yourself. Yeah, exactly. So you do that, you rotate and after the first 45 were 50 minutes. They choose someone, right? Yeah. How'd you stand out in five minutes? Well, see, that's the thing, bro.

Most people just, you know, go like, oh, your eyes are beautiful. Oh, I love your nails. Stuff like that. John comes in, why are you here? Yeah, that's what I do.

Why are you here? I'm like, why are you here? Why don't you go somewhere else and hang out with your friends? And she's like, what do you mean? And I'm like,

well, oh my God, I love him. Well, you're spending money to drink with me. That means, you know, there's a reason why you're here.

Why are you here? And then like, I make them explain, like, justify their reason for being there. So, like, I clearly don't get alone

with close mind of people or people who are not willing to chat. Bro, you would get ladies that would just come in and open their phones and just scroll through. And I see that for like a minute and I'm like, yeah, no. Onguais shmas, fucking change. Right. I'm not gonna sit with her.

I mean, to be fair, that is a waste of money. Like, what's my time? It's a waste of the host time. A lot of the host clubs, they offer unlimited drinks. Exactly, for the first 60 minutes you're in there. Right, right, right. And it's normally considerably cheaper. Yeah.

It's fucking cheap. It's like 1,000 yen for like, oh, you can drink. So I guess girls just come in to just drink. Yeah, because the next drink, if you buy one beer, it's like, it's like 30 bucks. Yeah, everything was like 10 times the fucking market price. Yeah.

I mean, it's like that with a lot of like, even girls bars as well, that's how they get you in, right? They get you in with the all you can drink and then they sell you on other stuff, right? Yeah, yeah, yeah. Luckily I think guys are a little bit easier to convince to stay in the bar than the fucking girls, right? Yeah, I think so.

I think they're like, oh, hot girl, I will see. Like, one thing that I've always been curious about is like how cutthroat is it? How cutthroat is, is it? industry. Honestly, again, this comes down to what kind of club you work at. The place I was at, you know, it's like fucking teddy bears and sugar daddies. You're coming on trash tach, and you're cleaning our set for us. I feel bad, you know. I don't know if you're also doing this, but they rank all the staff, right? Oh yeah, they were. So some anime shit. Like, well, they have to because at the

entrance. So at my peak, I was number three out of 20 people that were working there. Nice. Yeah, fuck it. S rank. That's right. People got power rankings here. But can you be Goku? Oh, shit. You know, Drew Goku was always at the top. I will get to that one day.

At the entrance of the club, you usually have like a little poster that says, who has the most amount of shime? Which is girls that come in and choose you as like their daddy, basically. Right, right. Whenever they come in, they want to sit with you. Right.

Did you have to use the word, daddy? What's the equivalent in English? Shimeh. Hey, dozo. I don't know. Daddy, you should. He gives you money.

Exactly. Would you call him Daddy? Daddy. Really? No. You're asking the wrong person. Yeah, you're right. Okay, count on.

All right, yeah, Daddy, anyway. So, yeah, they display that because, as I mentioned, the value of her host club is also elevated by what kind of person you have there. So some clubs, they have this one host who's like the industry head, like top. If he moves, it's like, good example, would be illegal. Legends professional scene. Now you're talking about language. Yeah, boy, let's go.

Do you mean at any sport? Yeah, shut the fuck up. Only League of Legend. We talk about the one I know. So for example, if Double Lift's changed teams, who's gonna follow him? The fans and in League of Legends professional scene, the fans make up the entirety, merch, you know,

like feeling the stage, generally all the hype of the, yeah, yeah, yeah. So it's the same with host clubs. So people aren't loyal to the host club, they're loyal to the host. Depends. Some host clubs have a huge history, like Pratina. They're known to be a fucking, you know, industry standard in terms of being like a really high-end

club with, you know, spectacular service and having the best hosts. But there are some, you know, newbie clubs that are elevated by perhaps recruiting these guys who work at these prestigious clubs and raise their name value. So it's literally, so it is, it's literally like they're trying to like poach the best players at this. We're sure. Man, I guess all this anime ranking system, which is based off the host.

It comes off the host industry. It's strange, you know, in Japan, how in some ways they don't, like, the work culture is so, like, against ranking anyone against each other, but there's certain industries where it's like, you're ranked against everyone. If you fail, you're fucking eliminated.

I mean, Japanese schools do that shit. Yeah, exactly. It's strange. Yeah, like an end of year exam and like two weeks later, when they finish marking it, there's huge fucking, it's not all schools,

but most schools have these huge fucking posters saying like, here's the top one 100 placements. I just realized fucking host club just sounds like ranked ELO. Yeah. Like, certainly, money is ELO. Yeah, exactly. Technically, you're fucking right.

But then the dichotomy is that they have lifetime contracts, right? Workers can't be fired from companies. Yeah, yeah. It's just so weird. It's like, pick one. It's like, okay, so I'm not gonna get fired from my job just because I'm a low-ranking. You just literally did it to make me feel like shit. Like, that's the only reason.

So you were number three out of all this thing. for a time being. All right. Damn, that's crazy. How fast, how fast did it take you to get to number three? Years, bro. I assume that's difficult, right?

You have to build their client's hell. Right. Like as I mentioned, the tactic that I was employing, it's not really customer-friendly. You know, most Japanese ladies are not used to some guy with a beard coming up to them, be like, why are you here? Why are you paying money to see guys?

You can't just go to a club. Yeah. Or anywhere. So the people that actually stuck around to drink with me, they're like open-minded people. They wanted to mostly hear about my experiences in life, living abroad, experiencing, going to a bunch of countries,

having fucked up parties and stuff. I'm asking, what is the normal clientele demographic? So it really changes, man. So most people might imagine it's like Oba Chans, you know, like, you know, old ladies with, like, rich husbands. Yeah. But to your surprise, you actually get, like, you know, early 20s, like idols and stuff sometimes.

Really? Like, you're an idol. I mean, I guess that kind of makes sense, right? Because in what environment can an idol just go out and just be comfortable, right? In a normal environment. I mean, maybe not like the super popular ones, but like especially like all the underground idols,

like, yeah, there's a shit load of them. Yeah, there's a shitload of them, bro. Where they don't really have like an image to keep, I guess, as as as, like, say like AKB 48 or something, right? Yeah, they can go to a host club with, yeah. Because, you know, as someone who grew up, you know, abroad from Japan, Do you think the host environment can work in like any other country?

Or is it just like something that's only in Japan and only because of the social structure? You do that in Turkey? You do that in Turkey? Look, you'll have a fucking like, arm you of taxi drivers ready to beat you out. Like literally. Why taxi drivers?

Bro, because they're like, they're like the mafia of Turkey. What? Dude, in Turkey they say don't fuck with bus drivers and taxi drivers because they're only like a, you know, gang. So fuck with one of them. you you call up the entire neighborhood. Why?

Dude, like, I should you know. I need to see this. Oh, is that to stop? Did someone call a taxi? He gives a one-star Uber review. He cracks knuckles. This is real, though. This is huge because I don't know if I told you guys,

but like in the past three years, when I go back to Turkey, I always find this one taxi guy who can, like, quote-unquote, should form me around. But that's because Turkish currency is shit right now, so, you know, I can take cabs anywhere. Yeah. But once you're really good with the taxi guy and, you know, treat him like your own personal driver and you get to experience what kind of life he lives, man, wherever district you go to, he calls somebody up and says, you know, what's the next target?

You have any customers around here? Talk to you. Let me redirect these people to your way. Bro, they work like a hive mind, bro. It's crazy. They just sound like a bunch of like organized assassins. They're insane, bro. They've got bockers in the background.

Like, whenever you get into trouble, you call. call one of them like my main homie and then he will call this homie's homie and then in 10 minutes you will have like 30 fucking guys ready for you I shit you not that's the benefit of being is going on in Turkey bro it's all about connections and people you meet that why taxi drivers because they're amazing bro they get everywhere I mean yeah they know everybody bro because who talks to customers the most barbers and taxi drivers yeah not in Japan because they suck here but in Turkey like you get on first thing they say he's like, what's your religion?

Why are you here? Yeah, why are you here? The CIA, I sleep. Yeah. Turkish taxi drivers, that's the real shit. Honesty, honesty, honestly. People don't know about this. It's fucking underground.

John Snowden just moved to Turkey and like, all right. And now I'm impressed. Oh my God. Sorry, I forgot completely where we've got to love to. That was like one of the weirdest hand just I've ever gone on. Going back to, I think, to I think what we were talking about before

with taxi drivers. What are like some of the most interesting clientele that you've had? One of the, was that for the tax drives? Before taxi drivers. Yeah, oh yeah, it's a- We're talking about demographics and shit. Yeah, yeah, yeah.

So you said you had like really, really like young girls like in like early 20s and stuff? Yeah, you know, like people, the audience would kill to drink with, you know, you've been laid eyes upon. Don't mean to brag, no. Yeah. Well, yeah.

Cool, it's humbleness. I'll drink with some hot shacks. The thing is our chateau was the owner of apparel brand He knew a lot of models and stuff Oh, okay, okay Yeah, so he was really well versed in the whole You know, so you invite the models to like come to the malls stuff Yeah, he would invite is like people he works with

Who he works with to the club And then you know we would have a jolly good time together Who are like some of the most like I guess memorable ones you had? Mereble because I'm sure you've met like a wide array of like different characters Yeah, yeah yeah Well honestly the young girls not really memorable because at the end of the day if you lived in Japan your whole life I never left a country

with the lack of life experience there's not much I can gain out of you it's mostly me talking about myself and like you know I used to party like that blah blah but it gets old after a while right so the best client that I ever had and I still still do see sometimes at this day is a very you know senior lady who is just there for you know gaining more

friends in life. Okay. Someone who's like above 60. She doesn't need to do anything. You know, she's like Scherford, you know, Bentley. She comes to the place, you know, Shaford Manor. Yeah. Comes in, spends money, leaves.

But the stories she has is something. Right. You know, spending time with her is, you know, that's when I feel like I'm actually doing something. Right. So that's what you enjoy about being hosts, I guess, is hearing interesting stories, hearing about life experience. Yeah, exactly.

I mean, it gets boring after a while, you know, just talking about yourself. Oh, what the fuck? A lot of things just fell back. Yeah. Maybe I jinx something. I'm sorry, my patron, I'm not. I guess it makes sense, right?

Because there's only so many times where you can tell your life story and get the same old, Isse the Goy over and over again, right? Yeah. I get that, yeah. That would get boring. What do you think makes a, like,

a successful host then? Is it the game? Do you need a unique gimmick to be like a successful host? Well, looks definitely don't mean shit in the grand scheme of things. Which is weird because you'd think that that would mean something, right? Yeah. A lot of comments on the YouTube video were like,

well, some of these guys aren't beautiful ones. It's like, yeah, it doesn't have to be. That has like a surface level value to it. Like, first impression. First impression, yeah. But after that, it's all about your demeanor, the way you fucking carry yourself forward, how you present yourself.

And most people employ what I guess, what I just told you guys, which is don't talk about personal stuff, compliment them, beautiful eyes, whatever. And then try to get them to like you in that way. Everybody has their own schick, yeah, to a certain degree. So you'd say, like, personality is way more important. Yeah, 100%, man. Like in real life.

Yeah, like in real life. Yeah, like in real life. Holy shit. Honestly. This is where I want to mention my, you know, most respected, hostel-related person, which is, Rodunds, like, the top of the top. So, well, he's not even a hostel anymore.

No, not anymore, yeah, he was. Yeah, he was. Explain what Roland is to the audience. So to those that don't know, please, this is Rorando, check him out. But to those who don't know, Rodando started off as a hostel in his early 20s. You gotta, like, plan out these, like, six, man.

Do it when someone else is talking or something, you know? You didn't realize there are people who listen audio only, right? So it's just, like, a long pause. Okay, well, then you fill the gap for me. Yeah, when you do it. So like out of nowhere. So what happened?

It's like, oh shit. Okay, yeah, so rolling, right? Yeah. So he started as a normal host, but he climbed his way through. He went to Pratchanah, and then he went to his own club called Zakrabu. Basically, man, this guy

proved to the world that hosto is not something that only dumb asses who fail at life do. It's what shrewd businessman can do to leverage their position. Because he's like, super smart, right? Bro, he's, you know, he has... I mean, not just, like, street smart,

but he's also, like, actually... Exactly. But the fact that he always keeps his own host of values, which is how arrogant he is, the way he brings himself forward. Like, he always knows and shows that he's the best looking and the smartest guy in the room. Right, right.

You know, in Japanese culture, it's always about, like, Thank you, like, being below the other person at all times. Exactly, but he... Sakaterni to Tzu. He takes this and then flips on the, you know, and then basically like mounts on you.

Right. And like these poor Japanese businessmen, they're just like, oh my God, they don't know how to handle it. So basically he's a Chad. Yeah, he's a fucking, dude. He's a fucking Chad. He's like a giga Chad. Yes, I'm surprised you guys didn't like collab

or do anything with him yet, you know? Why would he give a shit? Yeah, why would he give a shit? I don't even know if he speaks English. Well, the thing is, you know, diversifying into the foreign market. I mean, I'd like to do something with him. Oh, yeah. Because I've known about him for such a long,

time because at one point, especially when he had just come out of the host business and like started his own company, like, ran and shit like that way. He was everywhere on Japanese TV. Like he was like, he's probably like, like, I would say on in the grander scale of Japanese like entertainment, he's probably the most well-known host ever. Absolutely. So like, it was just really interesting because I read up on him as well because I was like, who's this fucking rolling guy? And I read up on him and he's like, yeah, like, you can tell this guy it's just like so fucking street smart when it comes to like business and stuff like that

and like he clearly knows his way on making himself. Well, you gotta be street smart to be a fucking host. Right, but like I think as, as Jan said, it completely flipped society's impressions of what hosts can be, right?

Yeah. Because it's, yeah, as you said, like to everyone, hosts were just like, good looking dudes who have nowhere to go and just want to like talk to chicks. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. But like, I think Rowland completely flipped that everyone was like, no, you don't have to be like that

to be a successful host. If anything, doing that doesn't make you a successful. Exactly. And the most, like, impressive thing about Roland is the way he approaches, you know, his customers. As I mentioned, my main impression is through him. Well, I discovered him after I became a host, to be honest with you. But then I discovered the way I do things similar to him, which is be arrogant. Be arrogant about yourself because I know for a fact that within the entire district of Ikebukro,

I have more like life experience, quote unquote. than anybody that you can meet there. But with that as leverage, what I try to do is, you know, levitate the other person. You know, I want the customer to leave my presence with a feeling of, you know, rejuvenation. Something like, like holy, like the words you're using, I don't know, it's, you just say it as if they came out

of a baptism. Exactly. Like it sounds like you're saying of religion. I'm a new man. Where do you think, you know, life experience comes from? What do you think you learn life experience? Mine. But in general, what do you think it comes from?

Well, just tackling new activities in different places with people you have never met before. Like, if you've stayed in Japan, your whole life never left a fucking, you know, neighborhood versus someone who's traveled the world, especially like if you live in the, you know, vicinity of Europe. Yeah.

You can't just go to like 20 different countries. Yeah. Yeah. Like easily. That's a good thing about Europe. Yeah, exactly. For me, because like, to me, the concept of driving to another country is so,

Because like Japan, you can't do that. Australia, you sure it's shit can't do that. I can't even drive to the next state. Right? So it's like, it's so cool to think that in such a small space, there are so many cultures, right? So I've always been jealous of like, especially you guys, like, like the fact that you guys lived in the UK and like, you know, didn't explore all of Europe.

I think a lot of Europe. Yeah? What's your favorite European country? But I feel, yeah, that's the way to do it though. Austria? Austria? Austria's like chill Germany. I'm sure the Germans will be thrilled to hear that. Germans know they love that rules. Austria's got like everything that Germany has.

That's true, but it's like, true. Where's your favorite? That's not Turkey. Oh, man. Czech Republic. Oh, yeah. I've heard really good things about it. Yeah. I'm being rubbing my foot against your leg. Ah, that's all good, man.

He's getting into it. Broh, though, man, like, it's middle of Europe, Germany, like Berlin is like five-hour boss away. You know, like, no club, whatever? In the UK, right, people are just obsessed with getting cheap holidays. Yeah, they know. So I ended up going to like really odd places

that you would like never go to for any normal reason because someone was like, we're having a wedding there. Like I went to Malta. Like I was probably like the four Malta viewers who are watching this. Like what? Yeah, what for? Cheap holiday, right?

It's like, it's a really cool place. Yeah, it is, it is. Why would you like, you know, it's not, you know. You go to a travel agent sometimes in England and they just, they just like, there are the certain. We have a country. Yeah.

There's a good deal going on. There's a good deal going on this country right now. So you get older, I went to, I feel that's the best though, right? Black area, Cyprus. Because those aren't countries that you... Cyprus is fake turkey. Yeah. Well, Cyprus's history is like half Greek,

it's half Germany. Maybe we should talk this. There's some beef going on there. So they might attack you guys here, we should probably cut that one out. No, that's fine. They'll understand. We should on countries all the time.

Okay. That's your beef, right? You said. Yeah, yeah. Yeah, yeah. You're the one And I said not us. Well, I'm Turkish, that's why.

Yeah, you're Turkish, so it's all good. You have horses this, right? If I say, it's just like, oh, I just look forward to a lot of people from Cyprus coming into your chat to just remind you of what you say. My Twitter stream, that's the shit on me. Welcome, guys, let's go. No, but like, that's the thing, right?

It's like, I, that's what I like about Europe, though, because there's like the countries that everyone knows, that everyone wants to go to Italy, France, Spain, you know, the ones that you think of when you think Europe. Yeah. But then you realize that there are so much more, and even these tiny countries, there's so much, like, unique culture just within that.

So it's like, for me it's like, I wanna try and go to as much of Europe as I possibly can. Problem is my entire life, it's been on the other side of the fucking world. Yeah, it's like the grass is greener on the other side, right? Because for me, I never fully took advantage of that

because I was like so obsessed with exploring Asia. Like I just loved like exploring Asian countries that I just didn't realize what the fuck was in my backyard my entire life. Yeah, yeah, yeah. My parents thought, like took me. Well, they have had never choice. But I probably wouldn't have gone,

I would have definitely gone to Asia or America. Right, right. Because like for me, I grew up and I'm just like, oh, mom and dad, are we going on holiday? Oh, is it, is it Thailand again? Oh, we're gonna see grandma again for like the, so, you know, the 20th time in my life? Yeah, yeah, for me like being 20 years old.

So, you know. Yeah, I feel like, yeah. That was like holidays for me. Yeah, that makes sense. Yeah. But like, getting back to, where, where did we get to the fucking host thing again? Shit. So you were talking about the,

the very rich 60 year old, uh, bougie. Oh yeah, man, like, in honesty, like, I don't know if she will ever watch this, but what I really like about her, it's how seductive she is in the way she just, like, conducts herself. Like, she's broke. I feel that was a better choice for the words there, to be honest.

She is, though. Like, she would just ask me like, hey, John, how was your day? But, like, the way she does it, the way she moves her body, the way she has eye contact, like, she just, it's like someone who's aware of every single, like, muscle movement in the, your body.

And like, I just watch her and I just like melt away, you know, I'm like, keep talking to me, please. And that's true, I guess six year old Japanese men look a lot younger than 60 year old. That is true. 60 year old, 60 year old Japanese women can look 30. If they want to be magnificent. Like you would barely think she's over 35.

Oh, he's telling on the house mode. And she were always coming tradition. She has pretty eyes? She's beautiful, really. She's actually beautiful. Is that what you tell her? Is that what you tell her? Obviously, I always tell her, like, you know,

Clearly he actually feels that way. He actually brings it out. He sounds like you're describing the love of your life. What's going on? No, it just, you know, like, since I also respect her a lot because of her experiences in general, you know, she has a lot to talk about. But also the fact that she's such self-aware person who's able to make me feel the way I do, that's something, you know?

It's stuff like the, you know, the idol girls can't do, you know? Yeah, yeah. I speak to these girls and I just feel like, wow, you're fucking stupid, aren't you? That's just a truth though, sometimes when you're speaking. I mean, you must have met some really stupid girls if you're saying that. Yeah. Whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa.

I didn't mean that that way. That came out wrong. That came out wrong. I'm talking, no, no, no, no, no, no, no. Let me explain myself. Let me find myself. I'm not calling you stupid. I mean, you've met a lot of stupid people.

That of that? Yeah. So like your level of stupid must be like really, really stupid because you've met all sorts of different people. I realize that came out very wrong. He saved it at a last point. Yeah, yeah, yeah. I'm not calling Jan stupid.

I'm like to say we do not have our mans right now. Yeah. This is not our mans. Come on guys. I'm in the corner. I'm back to, I'm literally backed into a corner. You just put like the, you know, fucking black hole spin in the antistelary,

you know, the last moment. I pulled out, yeah. Sometimes you're on a night out with a bro. and you're just like, you know what? If you're doing this, I'm sorry, man, I don't have your back, man. Sorry. I'm going to the toilet. I'm going to the toilet of this one.

There are some times you're like, yeah, got your back, anything you do, Joey. Sometimes just like, yeah. I was getting rid of call my, you know, taxi driver home. Yeah, yeah. Dude, please, anything but the taxis truck, I rather you call the CIA.

So like, okay, so you were the third best host. Like, how much grinding did you need to do? How much grinding on the ladder did you need to do, man? Fuck all. I guess, I guess, I guess, like, What constitutes as grinding in the host? See, that's a good thing. So I guess I can go into the downsides

of being a hostel at this point. Yeah, yeah, okay. Tying it back down to why people even go to the host club. So the reason is because you can only find a hostel in the host club. Right. Why? Because the guy is working in the evening until morning sometimes.

He sleeps. He wakes up. He does his daily course, chores, and then he has to go to work again. And it's like 5 p.m. So that's why the only time you can see a hostel is, you know, at the club. But as like a, you know, successful hostel who has a bunch of clients that they're juggling, you have to go to lunches, you have to go to their birthdays, you have to go to anniversaries or whatever

the sorts to Disneyland's. And you have to spend a lot of money on gifts when you go on a date with them outside of the host. This is something. You pay for everything, right? Yeah. During the day when you see them, I mean, I don't do that because I never went on a date with a girl during the day. because I just didn't care

but number one guy that's the difference between me and the number one guy because that's what he did he would sleep like two hours and then you would go on a date with a girl to Disneyland act like he's having fun buy shit at the Disney store you know

it's literally like school it's like if you do extracurricular activities you're going to be like place time yeah but you have to same thing because it's like a give and take right yeah the more you invest in the girls that you hang out with the more they want to give back but you know

that's not what I was interested in I always made my interest very clear from the beginning, which is, where the fuck are you here? I'm just here to collect data for us. This literally just sounds like persona five. You like bring a gift, like the social rank increases sometimes. Does your mind just like connect everything with the gotcha in general?

Yeah, yeah, yeah. And the five's not gotcha. Justana five's not gotcha. I know, but like that system is very well in, you know, social again. Yeah, it is. It's like you go on a day, if you want the goal to fight,

alongside you during the battle, then you've got to be nice to them in the real world, right? This is just the same thing. This is a simulation. Pesota 5 is a host simulator. Yo! Discovery of the century. Discovery of the century.

God damn. Okay, yeah, because like, oh my God, because like, yeah, when you said gift, like giving gifts and stuff like that, and the host has to give gifts, I can't imagine how many gifts you have to give, considering Japan's gift giving culture is already insane.

It's bad shit crazy, bro. The number one host, he would tell me, depending on the month, You know how the stars aligned and how many people have, you know, on the race using shit in that month. He might spend up to 70% of his income. Jeez.

On just gifting shit. Going to places, doing shit. Right, right. But I guess that's like an investment for him for sorts, right? I mean, yeah. Yeah. Yeah. And then when your birthday comes

and then you're calling like 14 girls to your birthday and they're all paying like, you know. Dude, that schedule must be first, five grand each. That's the payout day, That's his May Day. Yeah, you know.

I saw like advertisements of like one host that he'd made over $100,000 in one night from his birthday. Easy, really, easy. $100,000. From, from gifts or? Just from people coming, you know, gifts, everything. That's when you just- Champagne tower that they built for you.

That's when you're like, that's a natural person who wishes their birthday was two days. Yeah. You know? The one guy who's like, can I have a birthday month, please? Like, I can't believe I've got 24 hours in my birthday. Like, I guess I'm all sleeping tonight

because that's like an extra like fucking 10K that I could be earning. Yeah, right? Wonder what I'll get. One thing I remember definitely being a definite downside, I'd say is that a lot of them, you know, a lot of them seemed like they had developed an alcohol addiction of sorts

because you're forced to drink almost every day. All right? To a lot of, a lot. Yeah, yeah, can we go over the whole drinking culture? Of course. Let's do it. It seems insane. He says with a bottle of the end on the table.

He literally missed a quarter of his gin. Okay, so one thing that I found really weird is that they were all just talking to each other and joking about how they had all been like throwing up that morning because it was so hungry. Right, right. And then I was like, how often do you, I'm not sure it was in the video.

I was like, how often do you like get so drunk that you throw up? He was like, yeah, three, four times a week. Three, four times a week he's throwing up from, drinking. That's insane. That's insane. How much do you have to drink on like a regular working night? For me, it was mostly just about how much I want.

Yeah. So are you allowed to, so say if like one of your clientels like buys you a drink. Can you say no to it? Exactly. So the way the structure within the host club works is if you're the one coming in with a client already that you met, you sit at the table side like us. And across from us, you would have a helping person who would be the one arranging the drinks, pouring shit for you. Yeah, I did this, you know, the peasantry work, basically.

Stuff I haven't done in ages. Was he a host himself or was it just? Yeah, they're all host, they're all host, though. Oh, so it's someone who's like, low down in the ranking. I mean, it's, yeah, if you don't have a girl for yourself, then might as well help your bro, kind of thing. Right, right, right.

And your specific job is to just drink so that your homie doesn't have to drink, so he can persuade the girl to buy more, so that you can drink, kind of thing. Right. So he literally gets paid to drink your drinks. Yeah, exactly. Because you, so I don't know if we've said this in the episode, but like the way that hosts my money is from them buying drinks, right?

Yeah, for sure. And food too, bro. So you get a cut of every single drink, how does it work? At the end of the night, depending on the payment, but usually you get 40% of the spend spending, or the gross spending. So if they buy a $50 drink, you might get like, Yeah, if the girl spend $1,000.

Why did you choose 15? You got you bought a $10 drink. You get $4.00. Let's see a thousand more realistic number. Okay. Then you'd be like 400 bucks that you'll make. Right. Just drinking with somebody.

Man, why are you hiring hosts? Just hire like a fucking Aussie in the back room, just like, it'll be. Like, does that Aussie speak Japanese? Yeah, yeah, yeah. That's why at the beginning of the episode, I said he could be a great host. No, no.

Going with how this story is gone, I wouldn't be a great host. I'd be a great host who helps his home He finishes a drink. So this guy, this guy is. I would basically be an extra liver for you. So, so, so this helper guy, he will sit at the table while you, while you're talking.

And he will drink your drink that this girl has bought for you. He doesn't talk, right? No, of course he talks. You have to make good conversation. Because I was doing that for two years, bro. What you have to do, you just make conversation. But like, how do you not step on the other guy's toes if it's his girl?

Yeah, yeah, yeah. Well, sometimes some treacher shit happens. Whoa. Backstabing. Do you have any examples of stories? Yeah, of course. Do you share. Well,

if you can. Mostly happen between me and the number one guy of the place I worked at because we're really close homies. Yeah. Because number one guy was very interesting, man. This guy, he was a normal salary man in the architecture business

earning a good salary for world standard until he was 27. And one day he said, fuck this, I'm just going to become a host. Literally, like, he just gave up everything. He said, you know, I don't care about it anymore. I'm just going to become a host. And he's fucking.

successful at it. Dude is genius. He's very smart, very good looking, feminine as fuck, but that's just... That's how it works in Japan. That's just the way it is. But this guy, for example, what we're talking about, by the way? The drinks are in him. Did they, did you ever have, like, because obviously you have the helper and the main guy. Yeah, yeah, sure. So when this guy brings, and, you know, like, there will be evenings where the number one guy would invite, like, seven, eight different girls at the same time. So, like, we would have to, how did they not get pissed off? See, they can't say anything. What are the girls gonna say?

I'm mad that you're so successful. Yeah, the girls can say like, I'm buying you drinks, give me more attention. Well, he says, well, sucks for you. Other girls want me too. But they don't want it, get the fuck out. No, because that's what they say, bro. What they would do is they'd be like, hey,

if you want your turn, you gotta buy me the champagne thing. Yeah, exactly. You want to stay? Shopping is right there. We can pop it. And I'll still. It's literally like some kind of like,

fucking squid game-ass thing where I'm putting them against each other. Yeah, right? In the essence of it, it's really kind of like a... It's taking advantage kind of thing. Of course, it's absolutely taking advantage. But in the grand scheme of things, the girls are the ones who decide to come back to it.

Yeah, that's true. I guess they're not helping them. You're not tying them down. Right, right, right. Strange. Yeah, De Naira. In some ways, yeah, that's one way to look at it, but I'm sure it's way deeper than that, right?

Yeah. I feel like, yeah, I don't know. It depends on the person, I guess, right? I mean, it just feels like the host the entire host culture and entire host world just works on like obviously different social rules and different social values. I mean, none of them would probably be in a host club

if that wasn't the case, right? We're four guys talking about why women might go to it, right? We probably don't understand it as long as we think we do. That is sure, yeah. So I feel like, you know, I don't want to come off as a misogynistic or anything. Like, we just want to dig, bro. I'm sure there's a lot more layers to it

that we don't understand it. I don't understand the culture. Yeah, we're obviously just talking from like a surface. I honestly just find it's fascinating. Yeah. Didn't they go over it though? Like, why the demographic? Yeah, yeah, yeah.

Right, but I'm sure not all girls like that though, right? In what kind of? Like why they come back to? Yeah, I'm sure there's a lot more to it. Yeah. Yeah. You know, it's one of those things as well. And I don't know, I feel like as well, because I guess misogyny in Japan is like a thing,

like a bit more than the West, I'd probably say. I mean, it's like, I mean, the rules are structured around it, right? Yeah. Well, and the laws as well. The interesting thing about that is, so in any culture, whether Japanese or whatever, girls are attracted towards what's perceived as an alpha, right? Someone who seems to dominate the environment. Someone who seems like they're on top of things.

So the way the host... I think it's all in Japanese. So in terms of the host of industry in itself, it's made so that if it's a girl that, you know, that you've invited is coming over, everybody around you, including the Chachot, you know, the owner of the business, will do everything in their power to make you look like the rock star of the business.

Right, right. For the time being. Because they understand that if they do that, the girls will be like, oh my God, you know, the guy I've chosen, you know, he fucking owns the place. Right, right. The little owner of the fucking bar

is bending over, fucking, you know, doing back for us just to like please my homie. Right, right. I must have chosen the right guy. It's all an act. It's just all an act. Well, it's not, though. The thing is,

At least the way acted, you know. Yeah. Well, okay. Well, your act is, your act comes from some kind of basis of you as a person. Yeah, exactly. And I'm sure all the other hosts do that, right? Yeah.

Like, like, how much, how much are like the host have like a genuine personality behind that character and how much is just like completely made up, you know? That depends from person to person. Right. I'm sure you've seen both cases. Yeah, of course, of course. Some of them really try to play it up.

Yeah. Yeah. And it's just not them at all. Yeah, not at all. Yeah. But sometimes, I mean, you know, like piggy boy that you went on a date with, you know, like that guy, bro, you know.

It was pretty bizarre because I didn't quite come across on the video, but, because obviously it was cut in like five minutes, like the whole part of it. But he had this one girl in that video, who we blowed out who was like obsessed with him. Right. But like he like didn't give her the time of day. Like he barely gave any attention to her.

And he was like, that's what she legs, bro. Yeah. He was so weird watching it. He was like he literally couldn't give a fuck and she was like, I'm gonna marry him and he's like yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. And it was so, it was so strange, isn't it, Malene? Like watching this guy, right, Malin?

Right, right, Malin? Back me up, back me up, man, man, back you up, back your home, up. Get your hands, man, man, get your hands. You remember how like obsessed this girl was about the main host? And he just like, didn't give a fuck. Yeah, and it was like.

She bought, she spent, she bought me the champagne because he was like, oh, I wanna, I wanna impress. Yeah, just go. So she, God knows how much she spent on that champagne, The cheapest one I saw was like 5K, something. Dollars?

Yeah, dollars. So I don't wanna know how much he spent just to impress him for like one second. It didn't even seem like he gave a fuck. Right. Well, from what like I'm hearing right now, you know, like I'd say like the closest comparison I think of in the West as you know,

people maybe pay for like an experience if they have like a really weird fetish or something, right? And it seems like in Japan, this is just like the social fetish in a way where it's just they're paying for like a certain experience that you know, that maybe they can't, you know, say out in normal life. It was cool on the surface.

Why are you laughing? Why are you laughing? It's really true though. What's so funny about it? I'm just speaking facts, right? He just realized that he worked for a social fetish. I think that's what he realized. I realized that I'm robbing my own fetish too at the same time, you know?

Yeah. It's an ego stroke, right? It's not like I don't enjoy it, you know? No, it's often, bro, is there a bigger ego stroke than being paid to, like, have people talk, like, Yeah, come on. Pamper you? Yeah, come on, I know. But like, my general impression of it,

when I left, I was like, you know, because you have all this fucking anime all right host club and you hear about host clubs, oh, this is so cool, these people. You know, you think this is kind of like, cool, kind of like, oh, you know, when I left there, I was like, fuck, this is depressing as fuck. Yeah, I'd say like, most of the clients there

seemed like, depressed. Right. Like, it was, it was, it was hot. The hosts or, no, no, people coming in. Some of the hosts and some of the girls. Where the fuck did you go to them? They just like, I just felt like they would just describe it. Like, they had like nothing else to do.

Like it was, I don't know, for me, it was kind of like, oh God. I'm sure for some girls, though, that is the case, right? And I think that's why they go to host calls, is because that's the only place where, as you said, like, they've been shit on the entire day. They just want someone to make them feel good, right? And they took this fucking club, and they've got to deal with me pointing the camera in their fucking face.

I felt so bad. He's being awkward as far. Jesus Christ. Maybe they're really depressed in front of the camera. That might have been here. Like cool, the one time I get privacy, this dude is a camera. You disagree with that?

Or you think it was, it's all like fun? No, I agree with you, bro. Oh, okay. I agree with you. No, because, you know, one thing that I have to always remember is, you know, the customers that I attract versus the Arojo is very different. Right, yeah, yeah.

I guess you're, you're not going, you're not attracting the same type of people that I was being introduced to, I think. Dude, none of my customers are miserable, fucks. Well, I met one person in that video who could speak English. And she was super chill. She was really cool.

Yeah, really, really nice. Maybe they're miserable because they couldn't talk to you. But I just saw how they interacted, because I was getting live translations in my ear the whole time. And I was like watching it and it was like, I was like, oh.

Right. What was like the stuff they were talking about was depressing or? It was just kind of how like. Or just the atmosphere. The atmosphere, I don't know, it was, don't get wrong, that seemed like the club was going while,

but like sometimes they would say things and I was like, Jesus Christ, right. Like, you know, they would say something that was like, you know, they were trying to like, I don't know, they were trying to go for something and the guy was just like, yeah, wow. And it was like, oh, fuck,

like watching car crashes or something. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. It was like trying not to cringe compilations. Yeah. It was, you know, it's weird. It is a weird world. It's strange. What's like some of the weirdest shit you've seen?

I'm sure you got stories out of the ass for that. That you're allowed to tell. It's supposed. Good, get ready. Okay, keep in mind we have to air this to like a million people. Yeah, yeah, what you can say and not have the fucking yuckers off,

up her ass or whatever. He's like filtering himself out. No, like family friendly stories, right? You can do this. No, no, no, no, no. I mean, look, when people think, yeah, when people think crazy host stories, they're gonna think of some crazy shit.

Yeah, we're not on fucking BBC. Yeah, but also you have to think about the current people who employ me as well, you know, they might see this shit and be like, oh, wow. This is the guy we're in-true, be as generic as possible. Yeah, okay, some generic things you've seen

in the host industry or some dodgy things that go on the host industry. Dogey things. Yeah, or maybe something you personally experienced that you thought was a bit dodgy? Well, I guess this is an interesting one. So the way they do their Shimei Koukang in Japanese, so this is the way you actually

boost your numbers within the industry. Right. So shime is, as I mentioned in the beginning of the episode, this is when you have people choose you as their daddy. The more people choose as to your daddy, your rank gets higher. Billboard, so people notice you more.

So one way to do that is go to other clubs like Kabakura, like female-oriented clubs as your host boys. Yeah, and then give them your vote. Yeah, exactly. And give them your vote and then tell them, this is where I work at. Give them your votes? You got to come here to.

and vote for me and they're like, all right, sure, and then they can't vote for you. So like presidential campaign. Yeah, it's like politics. This is literal politics right now. But yeah, I guess if you say that way. Do you have like a tagline and shit like that too? It's like, Jan, I will ask you what you are doing here.

I am a Chad, my name is Jan. Yeah. Wait, so wait, so would you have to do that as well? Like you would you have to go to like girls bars and like, yeah, yeah, like that and like oh a lot dude my the shot show would like just take all

of us people who build that night or the people who are like chilling with other girls that night yeah yeah you know late into the evening because um host club finished at like 12 p.m let's say yeah and then we would have like a you know subsidiary bar subsidiary why does it close it early why does it close to 12th?

lost bro you just take it to a different venue and you know at that bar it's still same shit everything is expensive as fuck yeah but you know you get to just be a bit more relaxed and then more intimate, let's say. And at that place, if you're staying there for long, Shachot would come there and be like,

yo, guys, we're going somewhere and get the boys and go to a club, let's say, after. It could be like a kebakura or like whatever establishment you can think of in Tokyo. Right. Yeah. And then, you know, the Shachos would pay for everything. I've seen Shachos pay up to like, you know, 6,000K U.S. One evening for like three, four guys total.

Jeez. It would just shell the fuck out. But I suppose like considering the amount of money that hosts make anyway, that's like, that's like, yeah, the guy doesn't care, bro. He's chilling, man, he's chilling. So you would do that and you would go around and interact with the girls at those establishments.

Yeah, supposedly. To basically be like, hey, when you come to my club next time, choose me. Well, not when, but like, you're coming next week, right? It's not a suggestion. It's more like...

It's a command. It's more like, ah, this bottle I'll go out of, right? Right, right, right. Oh, okay, okay, okay. So you're coming next week, Tuesday, right? What happens if they don't come?

Yeah. I mean nothing. You're something like I'm gonna call the Turkish taxi. Yeah, I'm gonna go for me. I got a lot of taxi drivers on the line. We're on the plane right now, Jam, we're coming. And they're not Japanese. That's not what's gonna happen, but you know,

if you know anything about Japan, you know, verbal agreements mean a lot, lot. In Japan, rather than paper signing, most deals are done through verbal agreements. That's because... Is that true? I think a lot of things in Japan done by like on paper agreements from my experience. I mean, that's also true, but if you look at... I think socially speaking. Yeah, socially and traditionally, for example, like a lot of verbal stuff holds more value to it, especially if you feel like a It's all about the respect. Like renowned family, if you're from a renowned family, for example,

and you don't like uphold your promise and you know, you're, risk losing that fucking repetition for your family. Yeah. Your family will fucking like whip you. Yeah. But I mean, that was back in the day, right? Even now, bro.

Even now? There's just a lot of big families. Right. Still to this day. Like a lot of people who want to respect their like, you know. Elinage. Yeah. Yeah.

I mean, not that many anymore, but depending on like the, for example, if you look at like really family owned businesses, that's how it functions. Right. Right. Like, for example, the people who make like,

you know, foot pen, choreography. The calligraphy. Yeah, calligraphy. Like, fucking rare, whatever the fuck hide off or whatever the fuck. You really know your shit, Jam. I don't know.

I'm just saying... John Describing a girl versus John describing a pen. Yo, she was elegant, moved all of her muscles, made me melt, and I saw this fucking pan that was made out of the,

like, whatever the fuck out of the clock. So, anyhow, you know, Imagine you're like the supplier of this hide for this pen and then you're dealing with the people who make like the holding part, the wooden, you know, shit. Yeah. You know, you don't make fucking wood paper contracts. You make verbal contracts.

Why? Because your relationship date back to like 150 years. Right, right, right, right. That's what I'm talking about. But I mean, is that the same as making a verbal agreement at a girls bar? For you to come the next. Now that you mention it. For them to come the next day, right?

Like, I don't think there's many girls in a Kabakura who are like, oh, fuck, well, I better go to this club. I don't want my face. family on my ass. A part of it does translate though. Right. What I mean by- I'm sure it does, but not to the same capacity. No, not the same capacity, not in the same, like, respect values, but in terms of like, you know,

if you're like a renowned person in your bar and then you make a promise and you don't protect that or like, you know, make that come true, other people are gonna see you as some lying bastard. Right. So you just get outed from the industry then, I guess. Well, not out, but, you know, like, I guess bad rumors will spread to me. Yeah, you know, like, we should make promises.

Right. Right, right, right. I guess, yeah, because it's such a small industry. Everybody knows each other. Yeah, what it gets around. Yeah, exactly. You know, I was sucking Roland's dick the entire time. But literally all figure it.

Fuck. Doesn't matter, bro. Maybe it's a Georgia fan. So anyhow, you know, I know a few people who have, you know, fucking had fun with him or drank with them in the past. So if I really, really, really wanted to, I could still get a message across to him.

I could reach out to his fucking S&S message saying some dude called John saying this to him. I haven't made it happen. That's how close contact this entire industry. It doesn't matter if you're like, you know, the most renowned host though or... Sounds like Turkish taxi drivers to me. Now that you mention it, bro.

Shit, you actually need to fly out my homies, establish my own network? Bro! All the hosts are Turkish taxi drivers? Dude, honestly, like, where do people talk? You know? Host club, how much shit does Jan know after all of his clients? You know, fucking like.

I'm curious about how, you know, you mentioned your club and you mentioned there's other famous ones. Yes, sir. First of all, how long have clubs been around, two, host club, sorry, in Japan, and two, what's the difference between, like, the older ones and the new ones? How long have they been around?

That's her first question, right? Yeah, yeah. as a subculture. Yeah. Dozens of years, bro? Thousands of years? No, dozens. A dozen.

A thousand. I was like, bro. A while, no. Like, shit. Wow, man, a while. A while. But when it started popping off, I would say, in like the last 15 years.

Right, right. It seems like a really new thing. Let me look at it from the surface. To a certain degree. Well, I think Japan has become more lonely of technology and- When does their, like, birth rate? When did their birth rate start declining?

About 10, 15 years ago. That makes sense. That makes sense. So what's the difference then between like a club that's been around 50 years? You know, how do they do business? What's the difference between that and like how, you know, say a club that popped up like two weeks ago was?

Uh-huh. Well, I was saying, for example, a club like Pratchena that hosted, you know, one of the most legendary hosts all time like Rolando. Just by hosting them there, they can up their name about it, meaning people who don't know anything about, Those clubs, they get the clubs name into their ear

through social, you know. Right. Anything goes on like Twitter news, fucking Ryan news, anything, they kind of see that exposure. Club. Right. I mean, it says a lot that I know, put out, you know, I've never, I don't even know where it is.

There's these fucking vans that drive around Shinjuku. Oh yeah, just fucking screech this horrible music out with like these. Oh, that's what they are. Some of them are host clubs, yeah. I didn't know. It's awful. It's the most horrible stuff.

It's a fortune to get those too, you know. Yeah, I can imagine. The car with your face on it and just, yeah. Yeah. No, all I hear sometimes are just like the fucking who, like the political people were just shouting things out. Space boosted speakers.

You can't even hear what they're saying. Yeah, yeah. Yeah. Yeah. That's so annoying. There's also the one that goes around in like Shinjuk and Shihungi and Shihita, bah, you know, bah, you know, God. I can't imagine being the truck driver, man.

Like, how long is this shit? I have, I have actually seen, like, when one of the vanilla truck drives, the trucks went past, I was like, I want to get a look of this. this, like the actual driver's face. Yeah. Yo, he looked brain dead as fun.

Right, he was literally, you know, it's gotta be that meme from a Caroline, the guy on the PC, like, like. That's what he looked for. Yeah, yeah. So I go ahead about the differences between the club. Yeah, yeah, so what would you say, like, is it like a difference in service

or like the way that they do it or like, the rules? Yeah, everything. I'll say the main difference is, cut. What? Oh. So dramatic. So dramatic. I need to pee as well.

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Japan puts hosts on this like pedestal, but then, you know how it is. If you're, if you're a woman doing the exact same job reversed, it's like, oh yeah, it's like, you're like the, the scum of society. Yeah. Yeah. It's bizarre, really, because it is very double standard. Even if we had that in the West, we, I don't think we'd be putting the hosts on TV and stuff like that. But in Japan, And it's just like, dude, this guy's sick, bro. He like talks to girls all day. Oh, you're going to go. Yeah, you're good.

Fuck, you're disgusting. Yeah, yeah. The fuck. Yeah, sorry, I should have mentioned. But I think as well, like, that's, like, going back to like, Roland, right? Like, I think the reason why it became like that is because, in a lot of ways, it's because of Roland.

You know, I think it's accepted that a guy can be like that, right? Yeah, at least in Japanese society, it's a character, and they're like, yeah, that's good. But if a woman acted the same way, I think, I think if there was like a female equivalent of Roland, it wouldn't happen the same way, unfortunately. You do have good examples of that, though. A lot of huge cosmetic chachos right now come from Kebakura background.

Right, right. But like you mentioned, Roland's impact on this industry is impeccable. Yeah. Something you cannot measure with just numbers. Also, he sold himself as a personality. Exactly. On TV.

Whereas, like, we haven't really had that for the female, like, Kabakura side. No. Yeah. So you join a new club, right? Let's say you're a rookie. You're shitty at your job. You're just terrible. What's the experience I would have being terrible

in like one of the old, amazing, perfect, respected clubs versus being in a club that's kind of shit and like small and just kind of like, like. Would you even get a job in that sense? Well, let's say you got it, right? Let's say you got it and then you started fucking up. Like, you know, you couldn't get any clients. Like how would they, because I can imagine

that they don't treat you the, they're not like, oh, oh, it's okay, it's okay. These the traditional way, yeah, yeah. But I imagine the one that's like kind of worse off, it's like, oh, do you tell you know. I mean, you look, the best example I can give is imagine being in like unknown-ass fucking, you know, consulting company versus being in fucking Boston consulting.

Right. Right, right. You know, the pressure, that's a very specific example. Yeah. Look, the pressure you have at Boston Consulting doesn't derive from the fact that, you know, you suck. But it's because this is the company, you know, values we uphold. Are you reaching that standard?

Right. You know, if you're not, we have a thousand other recruits outside lining up to take your placement versus an unknown-as-club. It's like, we could fire you, but we'll have nobody else. We're going to paying people to. That's the difference. Right, right. So, like, is it, how dangerous is the industry?

That's a question. Oh, dangerous. Well, actually, that's a really great question because, you know, from the old times, a lot of host clubs are known to have a lot of violence involved in them. Yeah. Meaning if you're not performing well, if you're, you know, slacking, you know, your boss might kind of, kind of like slap you around and what do you mean slap around like like like like a little like like like a little like that or like uh no bro like i'm talking about that you're sleeping and they'll

fucking bash your head and shit you know wait like it's like fucking goodfellas like even in my host club not not within there but previews to joining there i've had stories told to me from those people there that you know they were kind of falling asleep and then then they got smacked in the head so hard that their fucking tooth chip that shit. Bro, like... Just because I was sleeping? Yeah, exactly, just because they were like

not so, you know, responsive and whatnot. Right. Even within my host club, we would have, like, meetings to go over, like, statistics, who was billing well, was a good head-upah, you know? Because even if you're not billing, if you're contributing so that girls are drinking,

they will respect you. Right, because that means... Because you're doing your job. Yeah, exactly. That means you contribute to the actual revenue. Right, right, right. But if you're just like, you're not even catching girls outside and when the girl sit with you,

you're some boring ass motherfucker. They're going to fucking bitch about it. And that's the main way to make you quit. Right. By keep putting you on the spotlight and be like, you fucking suck. They can't just tell you to like fuck off. No.

Because, I mean, you know, that's not the way Japanese people do it, you know? They're like shame you publicly until you quit? Bro, yeah, honestly, yeah. That's fucked up. Truthfully. That's so fuck. I mean, regular companies do that too. Yeah.

That's because they have lifetime contracts. Yeah, yeah. It starts in school, right, bro? Because if they're willing to, like, slap you in the head, why aren't they willing to tell you to not turn up to work tomorrow? I don't know. Yeah, I love that.

How it's like, I have no, like, resistance to, like, actually smack you the back of the head, but I don't have the heart to tell you to quit. The thing is, the thing is, well, if you prevail from this, you know, agonizing pain. That's such bullshit. Oh, fuck. Bro, come on.

It is a real true phenomenon where if you're strong enough to prevail this challenge that's giving to you. That means you could become a man. I agree in some senses. I don't know about that. I think I only works in Shonen anime. Tell me you're a pussy ass excuse. Come on, tell me.

Listen, there is a challenge and there has been beaten up in your work. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Well, you're not Mike Tyson, bro. You're not going, like, you're not throwing hands in the club, man. Like, host industry is not some, like, you know, fucking sugar-coded powder.

I'm not saying, hello-tis. I'm not saying it is. We've established that. It's dodgy as fuck. It is dodgy as fucking. You have to know your, you know, street knowledge. Yeah, yeah. If you don't have any street abilities,

you're gonna get fucking, you know, bulldozed over. Yeah, yeah, yeah, I understand that. Yeah. That's a fact. But frightening it is some form of, it's a noble challenge that one must undertake to become. Oh, it's like, no, this guy wants to be.

Is that the way I'm putting it or in a sense? I'm putting it in a way that it's like rolling in the mud and wrestling until one of them chokes to death. That, that, that's the kind of, That's the kind of challenge that you have to undertake. Wait, wait, did you think that analogy was better? I think it reflects the situation, or at least reflects the reality of the situation in the moral...

So, do you think it's fucked up? It's fucked up, but you also think there's a point to it. Yeah, absolutely. No, it's not fucked up, bro. No, it's fucked up! Look, who am I to judge? You literally just said you're rolling around the mud until one of them, like, I'm pretty sure, like, like, Like gladiators did that back like the Roman Empire.

Look, in any business, right, there is a reason as to why the whole thing transpired to become what it is. You have to respect what came before you. And understand why it's the way it is. That's the whole, you know, core of understanding what a culture is. I get that, but then there are,

you know, sometimes there are cultures that should maybe be changed. Just because something's been established doesn't mean you can't change the rules. I feel Japan don't. I'm sensing some woke bullshit in here. No, no, no, no. Do you put it, whatever in your fucking Twitter profile,

bitch? No, I just, I just think generally that, you know, I understand why these kind of stories can happen in the industry. I'm not gonna say it that it's funny, that it's not fucked up. Yeah, I mean, Jan, Jan, Jan, let's just, let's just break the sound.

You're literally trying to say that getting your teeth kicked in, it's not fucked up. Obviously, no, no, no, no, no, obviously, obviously, obviously, obviously. Okay, okay, okay. You're saying it's not fucked up because it happened to my same by. Like, my sincere apologies for not making this clear.

There is a huge difference between having a disciplined way of conducting your business versus violence. Because violence is really frowned upon. Yeah. No matter what. There's, oh my, oh, shit, right. Finally, a take I can agree with it. You're right, Jan, water is wet.

How is, like, xenophobia and racism within the host? Yeah, because I've heard. There's plenty of that show, man. Yeah, because I've heard that some, a lot of host clubs actually don't let foreign. No, no, they don't because like, what are they gonna do? Well, I mean, what if they wanna have like a good time trying to like interact with the locals?

Can't communicate. If you can speak Japanese in your foreign, would I let you, right? If you can speak Japanese and you're a foreigner, you have a chance. You have a chance. Yeah. That's interesting.

I mean, survive the beating and we'll give you a drink. This is the same with almost all other Japanese businesses that are light-life related. That is true. If you're a foreigner, most, Most likely they'll be like, and then not accept you. Yeah, yeah, yeah.

I mean, some restaurants fucking do this, right? Let alone, you know, night life stuff. It's just like going back to the whole discrimination thing that I just mentioned, like, is, you know, because you're, you're a half who. Am I now? Or yes, you are. Yes.

Shit, I don't know, bro. You like to know where. You're all being Mary Seuss here, you know? So, you know. Cut back to an hour ago, yes. I've seen Joey being a Hongo-Jozoo like five billion times, you know, and, From what I've seen, Jerry, I'm sure you can say if I'm right or wrong.

If you don't look 100% in Japanese, it's just assuming you're like foreign, fully foreign. 100%. So how does that, you know, because that comes into play a lot in Japan. For sure. So how does it come into play in a host club? How many times were you Nihongo Joe's it at a host club?

Every single time. Yeah, right? So how, surely they must, in some senses, they're like, oh, you're not Japanese, bro. You're like the gimmick, bro. Yeah, yeah, yeah, each time. Each time. So did you use that to your advantage?

Or did you like try and fight against it? No. As I mentioned to you guys before, I had no interest in talking to girls who had no life experience or who had no interest in life experience. So I would come across some people that say like, you know, I asked them, you know, do you want to go abroad?

I've been to this country, you want to know more about it. And they're like, no, I'm okay with just staying in Japan. I'll be like, okay, next guy. Weirdly common. Happens a lot, bro. Happens a lot. But, you know, I skip those girls because I have nothing that want to talk to them about.

But until I found. find the people that want to know more about, you know, living abroad. Well, yeah. That's when I shine. So these girls, we've established like just how much money is spent in these host clubs. Like, how do these clients have this much money?

Because you're like, as we've established, not everyone is like old, you know, mature, successful business. How did these like women in the early 20s come and like spend like stupid amounts of money on you? So this comes back to the discussion about the demographic of the host clubs. So most of them are in the nightlife. And nightlife in Japan pays a lot.

Yeah, right. Like substantial amounts. So they have a huge amount of disposable income or such expenditures. And that's what they decide to spend it on. I mean, like every week it seems like ex-celebrity is caught in a soapland or girls' bars. So, I mean, clearly no shortage of client town. And given the frequency of these girls' bars, I mean, they're everywhere in total. And no doubt that they're...

Yeah, bro. They don't struggle them. No. It seems like, you know, everyone pays each other, like back, right? It's the same artist, like, you're spinning the $50 around, right? It's just like, yeah, there's a lot of money, but I'm gonna be paying that money back to you. Oh, it's you, okay, now, now it's your turn to pay me. I think, like, a cool experiment would be, like, if you leave, like, a little mark on, like, a thousand yet no.

And see if it eventually comes back into your hand, right? That could be kind of cool. That's a good one. I'm sure it happens. Or it'll just wrong with some bank. Yeah. But the core of the, you know, yeah. does lie in that though.

It's that the knife life people support each other. Right, right. So do you have time to spend the money that you earn or does it just go back into the industry? Not for sure, bro, because as I was mentioning, I don't do this full time, like I never did it full time. I mean, talking about like hosts in general. Yeah, like full time host.

Like, do they have enough time to like spend it on themselves? Look, like, just if you're at like the, you know, top 1% percentile kind of thing. Yeah. You barely have time to sleep, honestly. Yeah, right? Yeah. So they just get, like, no days off, right?

I mean, spend it on themselves. I had a few benders with the number one guy back in the day, and, like, his day would go like this. You know, I would see him at the host club after his, like, hair makeup, and, you know, he would do his own makeup in the bathroom. I would call him, like, all the names I can while he's doing his makeup. Right. And then, you know, once the night starts,

I see him bringing out all, all his girls until, like, midnight. And then from there, he would, take me to the subsidiary bar where we would drink for like three four hours and then we would meet up with another separate group of girls that are just like the late night crew you know after like three four a m that just want to hang out until like 10 a.m you know right and then we just go hard until that and then this guy would not sleep and go for a lunch okay with another you know girl he's already like seeing yeah and he would have a lunch with her and sometimes go to dizzineland and she without sleeping bro how do this man not not look like a human right

Bro, like, I do that. They're all skinny as shit, dude. I do that for one night, bro, and I look like I've been hit by a car. Yeah, I look dreadful. Yeah. It's difficult stuff, man. So he goes to sleep at like 3, 4 PM,

wakes up in two, three hours. You know, same thing again, gets your hair done, get your makeup while I'm laughing at him. You know, same thing over and over. Jesus. So, like, I guess from what it sounds like, the lifespan of the host can't be that long normally. Surely.

Depends on how you conduct yourself. Yeah, well. Well, if you're in that cycle, it's going on all. Yeah, of course. Not at all. But this is where, you know, Rodondo really comes in strong because he is known to never drink. Right.

Oh, he has the helpers with him all the time. Yeah. And like, he's the fucking definition of, you know, to become a host, you don't have to drink. Yeah. All you have to have is good conversational skills. And the people who come to the club only have to come just because they want to chat with you.

Right. And they want to gain something out of it. Right, right. So become like a life coach almost. Why is it that they have to buy drinks to like pay the host? Can you not just like fucking just give them money? Oh.

I think it's because if you give someone money, you're way less likely to like give someone money. If you're buying drinks, it's like feeding the atmosphere. And you know, you both win. You're getting the drink you want. It's like buying rounds at a pub. Yeah, if I give you a 10 and I'm like, talk for an hour gone, I'm gonna be like,

I'm looking at the clock every 10 minutes. But if you finish your drink, I'm like, I'm like, you want another drink? Yeah, yeah. You know what I mean? I think it's because you just wouldn't get as much money. Is that the reason? Sport on analysis, my friend.

Oh, okay, there you go. No, because like I maybe compare this to, you know, like going to a strip club or something and buying a dance, that is like money being exchanged. Right. And that's- I mean, I'm sure because like, I think it's the same thing, right? Like, I guess for a lot of girls,

like getting to talk to a person is like paying for a service, right? Yeah. Kind of similar to like at a strip club, for example. When you're hanging out with your friends, right? If you want to keep hanging out, what do you do? Buy another drink. Right, yeah.

Buy around, yeah. Got another drink. Exactly. So how much, how much are these drinks marked up? Oh, fuck. Like, like, like, or you're going into some, like, yeah, how much are these drinks marked up, right?

Everything is about like times 10, the price. I saw strong zero, like the dead ass bring out the can and charge you 30 bucks for it. Yeah, as I said, times 10 of the original price. That's not times 10, that's like times 30. And that was, that was chasing. That was like their water. The Strong Zero, which is like a 9% drink,

they drink as like a chaser. Oh my God. It was like, oh, that drink was so strong. I'm gonna drink some water. Oh, it's strong zero. Yeah, because the one thing I always like know about like the host thing is like the Donpittita tower. Yeah, yeah, yeah.

Like, how many of those did you have to do? Or is that just like, or is that just like, every birthday? Okay, because I always thought like, how many birthdays are you going through? How much, how much is for one? Because is it like one, is it just one bottle of Don Perri-on that you had just pour?

Or it's like multiple bottles? Multiple bottles, depending on the tower that you've got. So multiple bottles of Don Perignon, which are marked up 10 times the price. Yeah. What was it like 10,000? Yeah, I mean like how much for one, at your, at the club you worked out?

When you got a champagne tower, how much would a girl have to spend? If I was a girl and I wanted to buy you a Don Perignon champagne tower, how much would I have to spend? So again, this kind of requires some explaining because if you're stingy as fuck and you want to build like the, you know, smallest tower, you can. But again,

It's different levels of the pyramid. How many glasses there are? Exactly. It's all about, you know, like showcasing. Yeah. Right. The more glasses of tower you have, the more glamorous it looks. Yeah.

So even if you're building half of it with cheap alcohol and the other half with actual premium alcohol, yeah. As soon as it looks big enough, it does the job. Right. So even if it's someone who has like a, you know, like only like two, three patrons who's only willing to shout out a total or maximum maybe like 10K US for your birthday. So cheap. Oh, only 10K.

Oh, only 10 K. Get the fuck out of the club, you sheepskate. Your money isn't wanted here, Cheapesk. We're just talking about like 40% commission of people earning like over 50K per birthday. So come on. Imagine the glamorous fucking towers that day.

What's the most expensive one? Yeah. Yeah. What's the most expensive one you've ever received? Or seen. Or seen. Or seen. What's the most you've seen someone spend on one night?

Bro, like this is, I will be proud to tell this story to the day I die, but my night. Number one homie, he on this one day, his 30th birthday, he racked over 200k US. In fucking, in, what did you do on your 30th place? Well, I don't know what I'm doing there. Five years. I just hung out with the boys.

They bought me a fucking drink. It costs like a fucking tenor. Could have got 200 fucking K. What's going on? Joe's expectations are going to be through the room. Yeah, right. Finally, an upside to turning 30. What the fuck?

I'm like 200K, so that's, 200K is 40%, right? So you get to get like 0% per 1% of my LA house. Yeah, exactly. And you know, when you're reaching that level, of course you can still have champagne towers that like surround itself. Yeah. The trick is to just make it three-dimensional

so you feel more space. Yeah, you know. But you want to be more glamorous when you're hostel. So we hired like a, you know, Ross Royce at the entrance of the club. We have like fucking firework kind of stands at the entrance and she like make it look like a wedding cylinder.

You literally got pyrotechnics when going into the club. Bro, it was so much fun though. You know, expressing that sounds like the beginning of like a W.W.E. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Fucking stone. Dada!

From the Rolls Royce. But the saddest, saddest thing is, well, the whole, can only go on a date and come to the venue in a Roll Shores with only one girl. Oh, no. Oh, my God. So you better pick well. So the thing is, the thing is, when you're the number one, that means you have host buddies, or I mean, sorry, the ladies that are saving up for your occasion for, like, months.

Right. You know, like, sad hearing that. You know, after this day, you know, for like the next two, three weeks, it's all about the conversations, like, oh, I saved that for, like, eight months. And I still couldn't get the position. You know, it's like, oh my God. I guess that makes sense why the host club you went to was just like everyone was depressed. Maybe it was right after a book.

Yeah, exactly. Everyone's chasing happiness and nobody's getting it. All the girls are like, I was eighth in line. Finally, an enemy that can rival V-tubers in. Like, who earns more? You know, you think these rainbow super charts are like impressive? Like, fly.

It's a thousand dollar, Tom Perry on. Towers. Beat your heart out. Maybe that's the next thing. Maybe that's the V-Tuber hostel? V-Tuber Khabakrabah? I mean, it is, I mean, I guess it's just, it is the same thing.

It's just digitally. Yeah, that's right? I guess that's what Super Chats are. Just get attention from V-Chu. There's probably, there's definitely some of them that are like, you know, organizing one-on-ones where you can buy time. Oh, yeah, yeah, of course, of course.

That's the only difference, right? Rarely, though. Yeah, rarely right now. Yeah, yeah, yeah. I reckon I become a more of a thing. Who's your favorite YouTuber? Why are you asking me this, Jan? You know, I see you, you know, playing some games.

Do you like V-Tubers, Jen? I do. Yeah, I do, I do, I do. Oh, yeah, you're your favorite. So you, you know, you're gonna, oh. Wait, you get back from the host club, right? You're like, all right, just fucking, uh,

got like 500, 500. Send the super chat on. It's like, 10 ladies come home with you, it's like, ladies, not tonight. Yeah, that's that's a super chat to follow. Just that fucking meme of the guy on the bed with like four women around him.

He's like, they're sending a super chair away. Oh my God. Not to deny ladies. Women on me right now. I just wanted to tell you that you're my favorite V-Tuber. His five bucks. Is that how it is? Who's your favorite then?

Ahoy. St. Joel? Yes. Horsalmani. She was my favorite for a while. Da'estine. Who's your favorite? Why you're asking me?

Don't ask me these questions. Don't ask me. I feel like I know, but. No, no, you don't know. I know you're just sincing about it, you know. No, don't bring this up. Don't fucking bring you up. If you're listening.

Tame your friend. Come get your man's. Moving on. Fuck you, check. Clippers are just like watching this. Like, magnifying. Yeah. Enhance, enhance, enhance.

Fuck the clip. Fuck them. But I guess like, so you don't do, hosting anymore, right? Are you- I don't belong to a club anymore. You don't, wait, what does that mean? So, this is like a deposition. It's like you're not answering the question,

but answering the question. You can take the man out of the host, but now the host out of the man. So, I beat you, but not part of an agency. It's like the same thing. Kind of like that, so basically, you know, I ate- Well, you're a freelance host? You're kind of like that, yeah.

You've graduated? Holy shit. Wait, how the fuck you freelance host? So, you know, previous clients, right? Since I've been doing this for almost 10 years now. Yeah. Like the people have, you know, met along the way.

Oh. At this point, they're just there to, you know, drink with me to get life updates. Because I've known these. Like an old friend. Yeah. I've known there for like almost 10 years, some of them, you know? Right, right. That's great.

That means you guys. I've been invited to weddings and shit, you know, of the girls that are getting married, you know? Like, and I went to some. What? What? Dude. How did, how do you, when you, when you spread people at the wedding, how did that go? Were they like, oh, this is Jen, this is the guy.

Yeah. How did the wife explain to the husband? That's what I was going to ask. So for example, there was a lady who was back in the day, she was in her late university time. And I was telling her, you know, like, you should do exchange, go to other countries, live life. Giving life advice?

Yeah, exactly. And then a few years later, you know, I find out that she's marrying somebody she met overseas and asked her experience abroad. And then she says she got to do this just because I fucking gave her the encouragement to go abroad. Right. I'm skipping like the whole arc here.

I caught up like, that's the end result here, though. I mentioned the husband was like, you're inviting what? A host? Dude, is this like NTS? The moment the husband meets me and then I talk about, you know, the way we met and they're a hustle. What kind of like, quality conversations we had.

Right. Nobody's like, you know, like suspecting anything, you know. Yeah. Because I'm like, I'm honest. But so, so did you tell them that you were, tell him that you were a host? Dude, that's how the wife introduced. That's insane.

That's insane. That's insane. That's insane. I've never seen someone such as like big dick energy. Yeah. Hi honey, here's. Hi honey, here's another man that I spent a lot of money on before I made you. But are we met because of this man?

Dude, I've had like interestingly, I have a lot of that, you know. Even with my ex-girlfriends, I still see some of them. Oh, Japan is whack, man. With their current boyfriend and we still hang out and shit? Yeah. That's still the case with host of stuff. Like some people that don't even see me anymore just want to hang out with their new boyfriend. boyfriends. Yeah, what

Maylea, I see what you're writing. Yeah. Yeah. We can't say that out loud. Yeah, we're allowed to ask that. Yeah, we'll let us ask that or? Can you just say yes or no to me? I mean, you can't hint at it. Wait. That's fucked up.

That's how it is. The way is. For you viewers, the wedding isn't as innocent as a scene. Listen, I mean, you know, everyone, you know, the hosts are, Not just for talking, right? But you can't say that, I know, I know, I know. Elaborate your sentence. What are, what are, what are part of the host's responsibility?

It's not all Disneyland. No, that's what I'm saying. It's not all this. It isn't all candies and rainbows. You know, we know that. You know, come on, there's, uh... Does, does, are there more perks to the job? That's, other than just going on...

The hardest key I've ever heard of perks. So you both get hugs Yeah To answer your question Kind of directly but indirectly It involves a little mental psychological You know like fuckery

Meaning Meaning if you know what somebody wants And you give it to them straight away You might get them To be bored of you And then they might not come back for more So the strategy for some cases Is to tease and edge

But What are you laughing at, man? What are you laughing at it? It's like fucking Barney Stinson from how I met your mother. It's insane. I understand that it's the job, right? Yeah, but it's like psychotic.

It's one side of it though, one side of it. And on the other side, there are some people that don't want you for what you're, you know. No, I understand that like, they just, it's just conversation. Yeah, exactly. They're therefore just for your company. And so if you push for it on a drunken evening,

you might just fucking ruin your relationship And then they want to come back for you again. So there's a lot that you have to think about. And this isn't with any other social encounter. You know, if you think somebody is beautiful and they're wonderful, and you feel like you want to spend a night with them, and they're down for it as well. And it's, yeah, I was going to say,

because, you know, obviously, it's the only thing that they pay for is the drinks. Not the one of them. I feel like I'm sitting with a bunch of virgin motherfuckers, come on, guys. I'm just really, no, no, no. I'm just really enjoying. I'm just really enjoying you trying to explain yourself. Listen, listen, I understand, right?

You're, all they pay for is the drinks. But what you're trying to do is secure that they keep coming for those drinks. Exactly. Yeah. You know, you do what you gotta do. I understand that. Business is business, it's ruthless, you know?

And it's childish or naive as to think that that's not how the business works, right? Right, right. I just said that. Doesn't mean I can't be like, that's fucked up. Yeah. Just to make myself clear, the way I conduct myself,

is with my wits and intelligence and my unique ability of talking about shit that they have no idea about, which is... You are a worldly host. Yeah, exactly. Mr. Ward White, fucking pit bull. Yeah.

That's how I, you know, do my thing. But there are some people that, of course, push their, you know, physical attributes. Right, right. That's a selling point. Yeah, yeah, yeah.

And they fall into a dilemma where, you know, if I don't give it to her now, she might not come back next time, but if I give it to her now, she definitely won't come back next time. Exactly. Right, right.

You know, if you're like this and you suck at it, it's gonna happen. No, I totally get it. You know, that's just the environment and the industry of the host club. Yeah. But, you know, I'm sure to a lot of people watching

and, you know, some people who are not versed in this world, it seems other world. It is almost like, for them, it's like, what's six, what's... To be fair, I think one of the most, Like one of the most underrated like different aspects of Japanese culture is the nightlife and the whole, you know, the host industry and all that.

Like I think it's people are like, oh, it's so wacky, they have KFC on Christmas. It's like no, bro, like the real weird differences between the West. Is the shit that doesn't get talked about. Yeah, it's stuff that's happening in the night, man. It's completely different. And you know, in some ways, you know,

as you come into this with a foreign perspective and you judge it as such, but I feel like in some some ways it's unfair of us to judge and be like, that's fucking weird what they do. It's like, well, I mean, that's what they do. That's what they've chosen to do, and that's how they do the business. It doesn't sound predatory at times, a little bit,

but I mean, you know, it's my perspective, you know? Yeah, I mean, and you know, again, like, as you were saying, like, it is a thing that, I think, again, Japan is so good at maintaining a culture, right, and like, maintaining ways to do a culture, where sometimes, yeah, yeah, where sometimes, you know, They get so encapsulated in holding onto this specific cultural thing that they almost fail to realize that, you know what,

maybe it doesn't really fit into society today's standards, right? Like, you know, that's the whole reason why the fucking faction machines still exist. Right, it's like, you know, maybe. Great point right there. Maybe it's like, you know, like they don't realize that, you know, they just think to themselves, yeah, it's fucked up, but this is how it came to be. This is what makes Japanese night life, Japanese nightlife.

They never stopped to think to themselves. Hey, maybe this is fucked up. Yeah. You know, just a bit. Although, you know, hosts are promoted on TV, you know, I'm under the impression that almost on like a national level, it's something that they try and keep kind of hidden and that they're not too proud of.

Would you say as a host... I guess that's the whole reason why we got general. Yeah, exactly. Open your eyes. So like over the past 10 years, would you say that hosts and host clubs become less popular or more popular? Really? Massively.

Why would you say that? Again, thanks to Roland kind of people who are mainstream and showcase that becoming a host. Is it just Roland though? Or is it maybe because the whole subculture of host clubs have just become a little bit more open to like a general public, maybe. Yeah, it's becoming like.

But that what helped to achieve what you just talked about is through manga anime. Right. A lot of these media's picked up on that and then glorified. Right. Yeah, they make it look like it's actually fun. Or in high school host club. Like all in high school host clubs,

it can be further from that. Yeah. You guys know this anime where this guy who does whatever the fuck he wants in school and everybody's like mesmerized by him? Oh, Sakamoto. Oh, that's a good. I love Sakamoto. I love Sakamoto. Crazy, man.

I didn't tell you anything, you know? Yeah, Sakamoto is. Yeah, I kind of lost him. I love Sakamoto. Exactly that, you know, where does that drive from? The core of that principle comes from the host of mentality of being this, you know, superior, untouchable, fucking, you know, almighty being in the general. the Japanese. Meanwhile, they're throwing up in the Matsuya parking.

Yeah, yeah, yeah. After they've had a few, one too many drinks. So, I mean, to pick your point. So Sakamoto doesn't show you. Sakamoto injecting steroids. The core roots of the thing, you know, is the same. Yeah, that's right.

Yeah. It's interesting because it's just so fucked. Yeah. It's like you literally, yeah, but it's just kind of crazy to think that there are people who literally put their life on the line to like maintain a facade because, you know,

That's what gets the money, right? Yeah, yeah, yeah. I mean, it's not the only Japanese industry that does that. Right. You look at the fucking idol industry. Oh, yeah, God. It's entirely based on, like, maintaining an image. And dude, I'd say that's 10 times more toxic, bro.

You think so? Yeah. Yeah. Coming from the, I mean, it says a lot. It says a lot when the host says that. After everything you said that I said today. I heard like some like horror stories. Oh, no.

Oh, yeah, yeah. I play some absolutely horror story, which is why I'm like, I don't even think you're wrong in saying that after the stories I've played on the scenes. My psychology comes from this, and I think this also relates to, you know, other idol-related industries

that are still popping up to this day, which is educating your audience. Right. Your audience is your main sort of income, right, at the end of the day. And within the idol industry, they're so strict about everything that, you know, females do.

The relationship they have with the boys or, like, any kind of interactions they have. It's almost toxic. Yeah. But why does that even exist? That's because the industry standard is bred to be that way. Yeah. Yeah. So you have to educate your own audience so that you're more free, you're more open,

you're more willing to accept, you know, radical ideas into your business. But like, no one's willing to take that risk. Yeah. Are they? Well, the company's on. No, no, no. The companies are. You're talking about Asian dudes in suits, bro. Like, how are you going to teach them new tricks, You're not gonna.

I get what you're saying, you just couldn't have said it in the worst way possible, you know? Like, I guess you're Asian, right? It's okay. I'm brutal in the way I carry myself forward. Well, I guess you have to be to survive as a host, right? Yeah. I mean, you generally as a businessman too, bro.

My current job is mostly about convincing people to do shit that I want them to. Right. Like it sounds so sinister. Shit, this is one thing I promised myself not to do, to seem like a sin. to fucking malicious bastard. Well, I mean, like, the thing is,

like, I get what you're saying, right? Because especially when it comes to the idol industry, where it's like, you know, industries don't want to take a stab at like a new idea, because, again, it goes back to that whole thing of, like, maintaining tradition, right? Maintaining, this is how we've been doing it. It's been working so far, let's do it.

Idols can't fucking say anything because the moment they're like, um, I have a radical idea. They're like, all right, see, go, bye-bye. Bye-bye. Say goodbye to your career. Say goodbye. And then if a fan,

says, hey, maybe this is kind of fucked up. Then the community gets on his ass. And goes like, I'll get the fuck out then, right? So it's like no one wins. There's no space for change until, yeah, as you said, like at the end of the day, you need to get like the entirety to be like, oh, yeah, this fucked.

And maybe we should change it. And that changes over time, you know? That can't be something that's done overnight. But like at the same time, who's gonna take that first step? Right. Because that's a massive risk. The pioneers of the business, bro, in whatever format that is,

whether it's, you know, really- You think they wanna risk everything that they've built up over time for just like, they're not gonna wanna do that, right? That's the issue, that is unfortunately the issue. Unless you have someone like super small, like, again, like Roland, right? Like I guess he's a great example.

It takes a fucking person like Roland to really shake things up. The example I wanna give here is from Naruto. You serious? If you say believe it, I will actually smack you. Wait, you did not just dead ass, look me in the face and say that, Chad. No, no, no, do tell, do tell.

Don't lose hope on me, bro. No, yeah, yeah, okay, explain yourself. You guys know It touch you right. Yes, we know It touch you. Where are you going with it? Where are you going to this? No spoilers. We can't spoil it too much.

If you haven't watched Narita, then, after all this time, fuck you, honestly. I haven't watched Narita. What? You guys know I haven't watched Naritor, right? No, we don't. How did you pop off on YouTube? By not watching Narito.

What did you do? What do you know what I did? You give me hope, bro. Why me? You give me hope that in five years maybe I can be like, why do you wanna be like me? Well, no, you can't because you've seen Narito. Yeah, so you have no chance.

Level of life, huh? Okay, so go on, tell us about Nautier then. Well, tell us about it. He has no interest in ever watching. He's not gonna care. He's not gonna care. I'm gonna watch it. Can you guys refresh me on what the main topic

of the argument is? You were about to give some life advice concerning Itachi. Yeah, and Naruto. Why though? A pioneer or something? You are quite drunk. Oh yeah, you finish it a little.

No, no, no. Guys, please be sure. Unless I get to this point. Okay, sober as daylight. Tell us the story. So basically, you know, Itachi sacrificed his whole life being for the greater good that he believed in.

I shoo he had to fill in at an age that, you know, even he had no understanding or conscience about. Okay. Stop laughing, bitch. Go on, go on, go on. This, stop laughing, bitch. It's so hard to sound smart when you're talking about. That's why we love. That's why we're laughing, that's why we're laughing,

you had countless historical figures who sacrificed their entire existence for a course. And out of all of them, you chose fucking Itachi from Naruto. But he's very well suited, though. Okay, well, go on then. Go on. Make your point. So he's, what's there a point?

Was there a point? He sacrifices himself for the greater good of the family. I don't know. You were the one who was like, bro, Itachi? Itachi, though? Pioneer. We were talking about pioneers who shake up the fucking industry. He sacrificed everything.

And then you said Itachi sacrificed. sacrificed his entire life. Exactly. So for example, in the Narttoverse, right, if Itach didn't do what he did, nobody would have come to realization of, you know, the whole, like, the dilemma of following the past and continuing the path you do

leading to the same outcome. Continuing the lineage, right? Yeah, exactly, because, you know, the whole Saskia people and the Naruto-Uzimaki people. I'm sorry, I'm sorry, I'm sorry, it's right. You're talking about the Uchi Ha-Cla? Yeah, I'm talking. The woman sitting down in the football stadium, the guys in the ear, like, You know, this is him at the host club

And they're like, you know, forget this, Intachi Sacrifice his life For the greater good. He's talking about how he fucking was like, You need life experience. He's like, Sir Naruto, right? Bro, you won't believe it, right?

So, so when he had the sand thing, he hit it, he took off the weights. It was insane, bro. He took them off and he just- You should have been there. Bro, he would change. It changed history. Okay, buy me a drink.

Is this what you be setting the girls? Just talk about Narata? No. That's different than that the case. Okay, so, so, so you were saying, so he sacrifices himself for the good of the Uchiaha family. Exactly.

And for the greater good, not even Uchah family. He knew, the clan, yeah, yeah. I like Saskei people. Yeah, Saske people, yeah. Is that what I said,

the Saske people. I'm sorry, I'm so sorry. He clearly loves Naritoria. I do, though. I honestly, I fucking read the manga, did you? You didn't?

Fuck you. So, you know, That's what I consider the, you know, like the core medium-ass manga. If you haven't read the manga and you just watched the anime, you know, you weren't true fucking fan. Okay. In my book. So, you know, to those people who watched Berserk anime anime,

you didn't read the manga and you consider yourself a fan, you better, don't know. I mean, why you can't know for one of the anime fans, what happens to the life advice? The life advice here is that, so if Itachi didn't take the path he did, we would have never reached the conclusion that, you know, like, chew us to do.

Yeah. Coming together to understand each other will be the solution. I know it's such a cheesy shit and, you know, Naruto gives you that. But at the end of the day, that's what it came down to. Right. Itachi going to break that path. Right. Which led to that.

So what you're saying is every industry needs an Itachi. Exactly. Exactly. You might sacrifice yourself, your own being, your own career, but it's for, the greater good of reaching, you know. A beautiful speech. Thanks for coming to his TED Talk. Itachi, yeah.

Buy me a drink now. You have to buy me a drink now. We all have to buy you a drink now for that life advice. No, not a champagne towel. Not a champagne towel. Or buy your normal drink at a normal bar. I'm waiting for you guys at my next birthday. Would you, okay, hypothetically, right?

Maybe you're gonna be kicked out. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Yeah, yeah. We call, we call, we can't, we can't get in, so unfortunately, it's only Joey, Joey, go, fuck. Fuck. Oh, shit. Okay, hypothetically though, would you even, would you even accept if I, if I did actually buy you a champagne towel?

Fuck yeah, bro. Okay. You know, I thought you were gonna be like a bro and be like, no, no, no, no. The way you shook your head, I was like, you were just like, no, no, no. Fuck yeah, bro. Fuck our friendship, you know. You wouldn't even consider it. He never even popped into his hat.

Because that happens a lot, actually. What? What? And the homies inviting their other homies. They boost your numbers. Not just boost your numbers, but to drink with you. As I said, a lot of the most successful most... Bro, this woman's boring as fuck, bro.

Come up with home. That's the case, because as I said, most successful host, though, they're so busy in the evening that, like, even if you're good homies, you don't get to drink with that guy. Right. So sometimes you're like, bro, this is multi-touch. I want to drink with you, I'm with your club. And you're like, yeah, sure, bro.

Just pay the price and come over. This is like mid-maxing. I'm maxing social interaction. I get to hang out with my bros and I get paid. Yeah, exactly. But I mean, usually what you do is the money they pay you that gets into your pocket, you kind of. Give it back to them.

In the next drinking, Nomika. Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah. You pay for them, right. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Come on, you can't be a total social asshole. So what you're saying is if I bought you a Don Perri on Champagne Tower for your birthday, you will happily say, hell yeah,

but then you'd buy me drinks on your birthday. I'll fucking light it up, bro. He's gonna be paying you back for the rest of fucking time. I don't wanna know how much that is. Yeah, right? They'd probably go for like more than 10K, right? Like 10, maybe six digits, 100K? Some places.

Are we talking JPI or dollars? Dollars. Six digits? Yeah, is it like six. That's like Louis-Martin kind of shit, bro. So it exists. Oh my God. Could you imagine spending

$100,000 on a dude for his birthday? No, I can't even imagine spending $100,000. Yeah, right? Other than like a house, that you're investing in or something. Imagine you're the daughter of a billionaire, right? Yeah.

Then what are you gonna do? Your life is all about spending money, waiting to marry the right guy. Well, that's a totally different world. Yeah, that's, we're not the daughter of a billion. I know, I know, I know, but I'm just giving you a perspective. Yeah, another life, maybe. Another life, yeah.

Or the life indeed. Jesus Christ. Yeah, so like, you're starting a Twitch, right? Oh yeah, I am in. Yeah, you're finally gonna have an internet presence. Yep, indeed, finally, hopefully. Yeah, I mean, like, we've focused on the host aspect, but Jan has a lot of varied stories

in a lot of aspects in your life. He's not just, he's not just an ex-host or, I mean, ex-hosts. Freelance hosts now. You've done a lot of shit, and we've been trying to convince him for the longest time to start an IRL stream. I mean, hopefully, whatever you want to stream.

I mean, hopefully this trash-stace episode has proven that, like, Jan has the chops to be, like, a really interesting internet personality. You're a fucking, you're a fucking character. You are such a fucking character. You are such a fucking character. Sometimes I'm just like, I just need to like give you a mic and just let you talk and just like.

I hope so, man. So you're starting a stream, right, or Twitch? Indeed. Sushkebav. Check it out on Twitch. What are you going to do? Just play games or like, well,

I'm not really planning on, I don't really want to play games. So what I have planned is every Sunday I want to do something called controversial Sundays. Where I test the limits of Twitch and see how much is going to be banned. So, how much it's going to take on me to ban on Twitch. That's what I want to do on every Sunday.

You're doing a Twitch Patsy front? If I do get banned, what the fucks of it? Yeah, why not? Oh, my God. I just want to get your dick out. What do you have to lose? I just want to have fun on Twitch, bro. I just want to have one.

The reason I'm going to do this. Why are we promoting a Twitch channel that might get banned? So we can all have fun together. Oh my God. Look, so all I want to do is talk about really fucked up subjects on Sundays, you know, get my take. If I can get any of your takes, they'll be great, but if you don't want to do me.

No, you are not getting outtakes again. I'm not sacrificing my career for you, Jan. I'm sorry. By suckling on this sweet teats of social clout that I'm getting from you guys, hopefully I can get other smaller time people who want to call out with me to just talk about some fucked up subjects on Sundays, that'll be great.

Maybe you should have a, I think it's like ex hamster. Yeah, X. X videos, I think, is another good website, yeah. Her chat debate has a really good idea. Yeah, yeah, has a really good thing. You can talk about whatever the fuck you want there and not get banned, for sure. Live leak is pretty good too.

Yeah, live leak, yeah, that's a great. I mean, how fucked are we talking? I don't know, John. I was expecting like a nice warm welcome. Yeah, I mean, you know, when you said, when you told us that, when you were like, hey guys, I wanna start Swiss Channel, you know, in my head I was like, oh yeah, you know,

like, you said you bought a PS5, what? He was gonna play some games like any other person, Bro, as I mentioned, to be a hostel, you have to distinguish yourself. This is someone on this one on this one. So you can just go say the N word on a live. No, holy fuck, is that how your brain functions?

I literally don't know, like, yeah. You said you're gonna try your hardest to get banned on Twitch. No, I'm gonna try my hardest to go towards the edge of getting banned and not banned. Okay, so one, I guess like one question to wrap up this whole host club thing is like, because you said that the host club side of things

has grown massively in the past five, 10 years, whether that be because of Roland or not. you know, is up for debate. But like, as someone who, again, used to be in that, and is it no longer in anymore, like, where do you see it going in, like, the next five, ten years? Like, will it become more mainstream? Mainstream, as mainstream as it can be.

Or will it just be, like, forever this subculture thing? Difficion, because, as you mentioned, Roland had a huge impact on the industry, right? Right. Mm-hmm. He bought it to the mainstream. Right. But due to the current unfortunate situation that's surrounding the whole world,

you know, the intimacy of host clubs are really limited. You have to wear masks and you have to have like face barriers and stuff. Not very romantic, is it? Yeah, a lot of people are kind of not so. Yeah. The fightifies to go to these clubs anymore. I mean, the whole like Kabbalchior nightlife area just got absolutely fucked because of her. Yeah, exactly.

So that is a huge obstacle. But a lot of, you know, places are finding their way around it. What are by doing like, you know, streams actually. So host of club streams. Yeah. Where? On my Twitch and stuff? On YouTube?

On YouTube? On YouTube? Yeah. Hostos TV. We're gonna send of some links later. Yeah, I want to see these. Sure, bro. Yeah.

So people are doing their own, but mostly like individual hostos are doing their own thing because they do know that building your own brand is more important than building the company's brand. True, true. Yeah. Kind of like following in Roland's footstep. Like, I'm really glamoring this guy, but like he really, really had a huge impact on the whole industry, man. Right. You know, the way he just brought in ideas

and showcased the world that the way he wants to do his business can actually be viable. Mm. All right, well, that's pretty good answer. Really left on like a somber note, right? On that note, go check him out. It's kind of trailed off. Yeah, there's a huge potential to the future though. Yeah, yeah, definitely.

Yeah, of course, of course. It's not gonna dwindle away. No, I don't think so. No, I don't think so. But yeah, thanks for coming on, This has been a wild, right? This has been a very interesting episode. Yeah, the past 10 minutes, huh?

But like, where can people find you on Twitch, right? What's your username on Twitch? On Twitch, Twitter. Oh, is it all the same on Twitter? Yeah. Twitch, Twitter, Instagram. What's the other one that people use? YouTube?

Facebook. YouTube, fuck. Yeah, everything is sushi kebab. This guy. Sushi kebab. Sushi kebab. Because I, when you say it's like sush kebab and I'm, yeah.

Sushi kebab. The reason. Half Japanese, off Turkish. And you're a guy. And I'm a guy. So sushi kebab guy. You can't miss it.

All right. Go check him out. I guess links in the description. And look at all these patrons. Yeah. Yeah. So many of them. Who's your favorite?

Oh, that guy right there. Who would you buy a drink full? No one. Who does you buy them a drink? Who deserves the champagne tower? Anyone that has a name that said with A and X. Why? Why?

I don't just random. Well, hopefully there's an axe out there. Yeah, hopefully, yeah, axe is like, yeah! You deserve a huge hug and a kiss from me. Mind you, he has finished a half a bottle of gin. Why myself? Because these pussy-ass bitches didn't want to dream with me. Jesus crap.

Thanks for joining us. Yeah, if you want to support the show, make sure to go to the Patreon. Patreon.com slash trash days. Also, follow us on Twitter. Send us your memes on the subreddit. And if you hate our face, list, it's awesome on Spotify. Go check out Jan.

And thanks for coming, dude. Thank you for coming, man. Thank you for having me, man. A pleasure. Come on. A pleasure. Pleasure, pleasure. Pleasure.

Pleasure. Yeah, pleasure. God, your hands are so great. Yeah, what the hell, right? I know, I know. Can I stick it in this too? Because you know, you promised this. When this episode is coming out,

or right after he comes out, me and Connor, we'll be doing a React episode on Twitch. Oh, are we gonna react to it? Yes, all right, exactly. We'll react to it. All right. Oh my God, all right, thanks for watching, guys, I'll see you the next one.

Bye. Bye. Bye.