Trash Taste Podcast - Southeast Asia Broke Our Boy | Trash Taste #311
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Welcome back to another episode
of the Trash Taste Podcast.
It's your boy, Joey,
and with my other boys,
Connor and Gunt.
Why do you sense a board?
Yeah.
What do you mean?
More energy, please.
Oh?
More energy, please.
Okay, more, okay, let me try again.
Yeah, round two.
Welcome back to another episode
of the Trash Taste podcast.
I'm your host for today, Joey.
Join, as always, are the lovely Gunn
and Connor. Thank you. Thank you.
Much more befitting. Yeah, because we are going to be talking about anime today, Joey.
Yay!
So I wanted the energy in there, Joey.
Okay. I love anime.
We're doing a mini anime club.
Yes.
Yes.
Yeah. Which Hat Oetelia.
But don't worry, it's a Patreon pick. So patrons, you told us that we should watch the brand new, which hat Atelier.
Yeah. Anime that is airing currently. And yeah, we're going to be talking about it because we weren't too busy this month to watch anything else.
Yeah, unfortunately this month, it's been a busy month.
So we're going to combine a mini kind of like anime club and just a normal trash taste episodes.
Word.
Starting with Witch Hatatilia and the newest and hottest new fantasy anime that has just come out.
I say just come out, but it's currently airing.
It's probably...
How many episodes is this core?
Is it like a one core or two core?
It's a one core.
Yeah.
So it's pretty finished by the time it's episodes out, maybe?
Yeah, most likely.
Yeah, yeah.
I mean, we are quite the way through this season already this core.
I don't think it's going to be the last time we see which had it's earlier.
No, we're definitely getting a season two.
Yeah, most definitely.
Honestly, I hope so, because I don't know about you guys.
I fucking love this show.
Bro.
It's so good.
I don't know what you expected me to be like.
Actually, I don't like it.
I don't know.
Knowing you, Connor, sometimes you're just like with these kinds of shows.
Sometimes you're like picky and choosy about it.
So I was curious to know what Connor especially thought about this show.
Oh, I kind of looks at the main cast, sees it's all female, and he's like, utter woke nonsense.
I did think it was a little woke.
Literals.
Yeah, obviously, it's very good.
I only watched two episodes.
Yeah.
That's all you need, baby.
And I was, yeah, I was like, okay, this is pretty fucking good.
Yeah.
I watched two episodes on camera, but after I was enjoying it so much that I just, I think I ended up just watching up until episode five.
Yeah.
Yeah.
And...
Does it stay woke?
It's pretty woke.
I will say...
I'm just hoping they would drop the woe.
Sorry, I'm gonna stop saying it.
I've been saying it ironically,
but I think there must be like two people
who actually think I'm being serious.
Yeah.
Yeah, like we agree with a great corner.
Yeah, it's ridiculous.
Okay, no, it's very good.
Do you want to explain the story?
Yeah, so...
Just run us through the plot of episode one.
Yeah, so which had to tell you
is based in a world where magic exists,
but magic can't be used by everybody.
It's this kind of secret on how magic is actually produced
or like how, you know, people do it.
And only, I guess, certified witches
are able to perform magic, but...
Who are born into it.
Who are born into it.
That is what the legend says, essentially.
Yeah.
So Coco, who is our main character,
she is just but a regular human,
no magic powers whatsoever.
And she works at a...
What do they call it?
fabric.
I know there's a word for it.
Seamstress.
Seamstress.
Seamstress.
She's a seamstress, a dressmaker, I guess, is another word.
But for ever since-
Who makes your clothes, Joey?
Huh?
Yeah, you should fucking know, right?
What fucking talking about?
Bitch, you're a modern day.
To me, I just call it a factory.
It's so weird.
I don't know how they make clothes back there
in that Chinese factory.
Yeah.
How did they do it?
How do they do it?
Yeah, so she's a dressmaker, but she's always been obsessed with magic ever since she was
a young kid who went to this like festival and bought from this very shady person, this, this
magic book of spells and a pen, or I guess a wand.
But so she's always wanted to be a witch and then one day, uh, uh, this, basically the
fucking gojo sator of witches shows up.
Bro, bro, he's gojo.
He's gojo.
I'm gonna, uh, uh, actually, which had to, uh, uh, actually, which had to, uh, uh, this,
Artur actually came out before Jujitsa Kaisen.
All right.
Um, I'm actually, okay, let me rephrase that.
The original Satara-Gozho shows up.
Quifrey is the name, or Kifri?
I never know how to answer.
I always say Kifery.
Okay, I just saw a character that I actually,
two episodes that I didn't see.
Who the fuck is Brush Daddy?
Brush Buddy.
It's not Brush Daddy.
Brush Daddy.
That's the upgrade of Scrom.
Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.
I was like, brush daddy.
Yeah.
No, brush, brook.
Yeah, Brush, buddy appears in episode three, but...
Oh, yeah, yeah.
Yeah, so Kifrey shows up, who is this witch.
And I guess he's in a...
Some stuff happens where, like, Kifrey's like,
all right, don't worry, I can fix your problems with magic.
But you have to make sure, Coco that you don't watch how I do it
because it's a secret.
Coco's like, bet.
I'm not going to follow that.
So she sees Kifri, you know, doing his magic.
And then she realizes, oh, my God,
it's not a thing that people are necessarily born with.
It's about the tools that you use because magic is produced by writing sigils using magic ink and a magic pen.
So she's like, oh, fuck, anybody can use magic.
It's just kind of a secret.
So she tests it out at home with the book that she got, accidentally, I guess, uses a forbidden spell and just straight up kills her mom.
Yeah.
I was quite shocked.
It was shocking.
It was really, really shocking.
There is that moment when Kieferi is like, did you write anything in the book of magic?
Kifrey asked calmly.
It's legit that.
And just fucking drops her down.
Yeah, I'm like,
yeah, so basically Kifery is like, look,
you've just figured out the,
the forbidden technique.
And so as a which,
I have to either delete your memories.
I have to men and black you,
or you have to be an apprentice for me.
And because Kifrey's not a psycho,
he goes, all right,
come back to my atelier.
I will make you a,
certified witch. And that's basically the start of the whole series because I guess the the whole
subplot. I don't think he wants to make her an apprentice because, but he wants to know he's been,
it's implied that he's trying to learn something about this book. Yes, yes. The forbidden book.
Yeah, the subplot is that the, the, I guess the mysterious witch that Coco bought the book and
the pen from originally is part of some kind of like evil witch organization that Kifrey and the
other witches are trying to hunt down. So basically he's like, I can use her.
If I turn her and keep her memories intact,
then I can get some kind of clues to figure out who this guy is
that had the forbidden magic book.
Yeah, and it's essentially that story.
Coco becomes an apprentice of Kifrey,
meets up with the other witch apprentices,
like Tetya and Ritchie and what's the other one?
Custis.
Agat?
Agat. That's it, sorry, Agat.
And yeah, basically learns the ways of magic.
and it is incredibly cute and incredibly wholesome.
I feel like we're the bad guys.
What would you mean in this universe?
I think we're the bad guys.
Who's we?
Who's we?
Who's we?
I think we're the bad guys.
Wait, what is this?
What is this we?
Why are you watching?
I'm part of the team.
I'm part of the squad.
We're not part of the friends.
I'm part of this squad.
I'm following them.
And I feel like my hand is up like,
guys, I think we're the bad guys.
So you reckon Kiefer is the bad guy?
I think we're the bad guys.
Why do you think he's the bad guys?
Okay, so one of the main, like, things in this is show that I found really interesting.
Yeah.
Uh, was that, uh, magic used to be accessible to everyone.
Mm-hmm.
Okay.
And then it turned out, because anyone can just write shit on a paper.
Free speech.
Yeah.
Uh, obviously humans couldn't be trusted with it.
Yeah.
Because it started wars.
Yeah.
Yeah, started a bunch of wars and whatnot.
Uh, and then now, magic is a, almost a, well, is a secret.
Amongst- For the privileged.
For the privileged.
For the-
And you're against that, Connor?
Who are born into it.
Okay.
I think-
I'm-
Are you against that, Connor?
I think I am.
Look at the British man complaining
about classism.
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
I mean, when I started hearing all this about,
the magic must be kept for ours
and only the people we allow it.
And I'm like, hmm, I think we're the bad guys.
I don't think we should.
Okay, keep, keep all the, like,
all the fucking muggles out of this, you know?
Just like, keep them poor, you know?
We are rich with magic.
It sounds sensible when I'm around Gojo and he's saying it.
No, I think it's really interesting.
I think right away from the get-go, that kind of premise was, I thought, very nuanced.
Obviously, right away, you're kind of chucked into this and told this reason of,
well, obviously they can't be trusted.
They made horrors beyond belief when they allowed magic.
But it's obvious that the story's going to go to a place where that's going to be questioned
and is it right that knowledge is only allowed for the few?
Yeah.
Yeah.
And why is it us that we get to decide that we, and I'm, you know, maybe there's this
kind of attack on Titan theme parallel that they'll kind of go down where they're like,
turns out that it was kept by one nation.
Yeah.
And it's their secrets to keep.
Right.
And why is it there?
It's because they won the war maybe.
And maybe the person who gave this book was somebody wanted to democratize the knowledge
of magic in a more fair way.
Right.
You know, there's parallels to, that's quite a lot of interesting aspects.
So what you're saying is, I guess, Iguin is the bad guy's name.
You're saying that that guy is actually like, he's the good guy.
Maybe not a good guy, I'm sure.
But he's like part of the resistance.
Yeah.
Could be, could be.
I don't know.
I mean, I found it fascinating all of these conversations.
And even in the writing in the first episode, or the start of the second episode,
I can't remember.
There was a, you know, we kind of start to learn a bit more about how magic works.
We learned that, you know, it's all seals.
So there needs to be a circle.
Yeah.
And then there's a main thing in the middle, like a sigil.
And then there's little things that you draw on the outside.
One thing I also found really cool was that it obviously draws,
I felt like drew inspiration from like kanji in a sense because it's kind of like the radicals.
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
So I was like, that's actually really interesting that there's the aspect to it.
But he's explaining it.
And during this conversation in the start of this show, he explains that like magic is just so amazing
when you let the right people use it and use it for good.
It can be so helpful.
It's like, okay.
why does it have to be like completely a secret then?
Why can it not be like, I just won't show you the sigil?
I don't know.
I felt there's a lot of interesting things going on there
that implied that this problem is going to be
a much more nuanced thing down the line.
At least I hope so.
Yeah, I hope so.
Otherwise, it would be disappointing
if it did just turn into generic fantasy,
good versus evil.
Right, right.
I think they're setting up that nuance.
And I hope they follow through it in a deeper way.
I have so too.
Yeah, I mean, the biggest thing that dream
to Witch Atitilia because we are in like, I think we're in a golden age of fantasy right now.
A hundred percent.
Yeah.
Fantasy anime, I should say.
Totally.
There are so many different aspects of so many different fantasy shows like Freerun, Dungeon
Meshi, was Centions to be a hero last time as well, which was just, you know, bringing back to dark fantasy.
So it's like getting harder and harder to have a standout aspect to your fantasy show because
there's so many different shows doing so many amazing things.
And I think the characters and writing are all already really top notch for Witch Adetilia.
But by far the biggest thing I think stands out compared to every other fantasy show is the magic system.
Yes.
It has such a unique magic system.
And the thing that I fucking love about it is that it's something that we could learn, you know.
Yeah.
Because you've only made this episode two where you get to learn about the basics of the magic system.
Yeah.
So every magic system has three aspects.
It's the main sigil at, it's the main element.
Like the main element.
The main element.
You have the main element in the center.
which denotes like, you know, whatever element you're...
Fire, water, wind.
Yeah.
And then you are, you manipulate the element in some way
using some kind of denotation.
And the spell is not cast until you basically close the circle.
So that brings so many unique aspects to how to cast spells.
And I think it's a really unique way to be able to cast spells as well.
And it's also pretty simple, right?
So in episode in episode three, I believe.
Yeah.
Small spoilers, but Coco kind of learns how to cast her own spell, basically.
And it's like baby's first spell, right?
It's like one big arrow and a wind sigil.
And that's it.
And she learns how to fly, basically.
Okay.
Yeah.
And you're like, okay, that's great.
I'm like, I'm like following through with this.
But then because I've read the manga,
because I was a big fan of manga before, like, the anime came out,
The spells get slowly more and more complicated.
I imagine, yeah.
And they, it's straight on it, but it's something that you can kind of follow along as well.
Yeah.
Where you kind of like, what they kind of do is you take this basic core concept and maybe
you have like a subroutine somewhere where you have like a subspell that feeds into like
a bigger spell that goes into like a much bigger sigil, right?
Can you, can you search up?
I've actually seen people on social media.
Apparently some which had to tell you fans have already figured out the sigil to like a black
coal and shit. Yeah, yeah, exactly. And it actually like all make, like, they're making up these,
like, almost spells that don't appear in the actual show, but if you know the theory behind it,
it makes sense. Well, it sounds like, like a really cool parallel to is like just, I guess,
like modern science and the way that you specialize. Yeah, I mean, I think the way I most, like,
I read this as an engineer, right? Yeah. And the thing this reminded me most about was it
combines basically acanji and art skills. And combining that with like,
programming because it's basically like a lot of smaller programs.
When this does this, then it does this.
Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.
You're basically making subroutines.
You're basically making smaller programs
to run like a larger program.
And the spells, can you go on like Google Images again?
The spells can get pretty damn complicated.
You get spells like this, right?
Which is like spells within spells.
Right?
Tapistries.
Yeah.
But that's what makes it so fucking interesting to me,
because it brings this layer
of why people need to study spells.
Right, yeah, yeah.
Because you build on the core concepts,
and the core concepts never change.
All they do is just iterate on these core concepts
and just add more and more layers to it.
That's cool.
And there are several moments
that will come on later in the manga
without spoiling what happens,
but there are several moments
where the character figures out a solution to a problem,
and it's a solution that we, as the reader,
giving the core building blocks of this, of the power system,
we could figure it out ourselves, right?
That's cool.
So they, they, this is a, this is a power system,
but gives you the building blocks and plays around with it,
when in its world, but it's, plays around with it
in a way that we can all understand.
It's almost like you can figure it out
before the main characters.
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
It's not just like arbitrary,
kind of like power.
No, no, yeah.
That's really interesting.
And that's one thing that I found, like, yeah,
like you said, because you've,
you've always talked about the show,
of this manga, he always said it had the best, like, power or magic system you'd ever seen.
In fantasy anime.
Yeah.
And I think seeing it, I was like, okay, I can certainly see if someone is passionate enough about the system, how they could flesh this out.
Yeah.
Just within two episodes.
Yeah, because it comes down to two things, right?
So there's a lot of powerful witches in the world.
And you have to basically combine two skills, which is knowledge, the knowledge of spells, right?
do you have enough knowledge of spells to make powerful spells and execution.
Knowledge.
Knowledge.
Knowledge.
And execution. So imagine you're in the middle of a fight.
You need to fucking draw this shit on the fly.
And they have like a lot of useful tools to basically help you, help witches basically, you know, cast spells on the fly.
So basically, one of the tools I thought was very interesting is every witch carries a notebook with like pre-written spells, right?
Of course.
But where all you need to do to complete the spell is just draw the-
circle and you cast it. But what if you have to cast a really complex spell that you haven't
pre-written down? Well, you need to start getting really, uh, really creative into how do you draw
spells? Like, do you, like, there are some ways that these witches draw spells where I'm like,
holy fucking shit. Like the fucking gojo character, Kifrey, he, he pulls some shit. He pulls some, he
pulls some shit. End game, right? And you're like, all my,
Fuck, like, that's what I love about this kind of power system because you can appreciate
how skillful these witches are, not by just like, oh my God, this person cast ex-spell.
It's a really powerful spell.
You can see it and you can understand, holy shit, he is drawing this on the fly.
He's using different body parts to do different things.
I'm like, damn, this is some crazy shit, man.
Yeah, yeah.
So I fucking love the magic system in this and it only gets more interesting and more complex.
And as you said, it serves as a really interesting baseline for the main conflict of this as well.
I'm excited to learn what that is.
Yeah.
I'm excited.
Which, yeah, is the philosophical conflict of who deserves to be able to cast magic, you know.
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No. You didn't. I think that's episode three. Oh, that's episode three. Wait, that's awesome.
What is it? I mean, you can tell me, because I'm going to watch it anyway. Like, what is the Magic Geneva Convention?
So, so, based on like previous, you know, iterations,
People have done bad things with magic.
You know, I don't know what the Oppenheimer
of this magic world has done, you know.
Okay.
But basically you are not allowed to,
you can basically, it is possible
to manipulate the human body.
Of course, I imagine.
Yes, if you write the sigil.
So one of the big rules is that you're not allowed
to draw sigils on humans.
Yeah.
Like directly onto humans.
That makes sense.
Yeah.
Like you can do it on inanimate objects only.
Yeah, only inanimate envi- like cloaks or shoes or whatever it is.
I'm sure everyone in this universe follows this rule.
Yeah.
Which just makes it like curious, just like, what the fuck were people doing before like this Geneva convention came out?
Yeah, right? Like, holy shit, you know.
It has a potential to go a lot of like dark places as well.
Because the mostly the forbidden magic is basically the magic that has been agreed on that should not be ever cast, you know?
that basically hurts people.
And you don't want magic that ever hurts people
because magic is just a tool in this universe.
It's a tool, you know,
and it's up to the people how this tool is used
and whether you can judge humans
to all agree on the same set of rules
of how to use this one piece of tool.
Because if you give this piece of tool to everyone,
the only thing stopping mad people from using this tool
is, number one, the knowledge,
do so and number two, the will to do so, right?
And yeah, I just, I think it makes for a very unique
philosophical conflict.
Yeah, I hope so.
And yeah, it's just a fantastic world.
And this one being as popular as it is this season
is definitely deserved just because, yeah, again,
it is just like, it's refreshing to see again a fantasy,
you know, world that, you know, for granted, like,
the whole like magic concept has been over done to death,
especially in anime and manga, but this one, yeah, as Garn said, like, it's just, there's logic to it.
Yeah.
Behind the magic, which I feel like a lot of shows that focus on magic don't really fully explore.
Well, yeah, I mean, I think there's a lot of fantasy, the magic or the powers or whatever it is,
normally an accompaniment to the story as opposed to being the story.
Yeah.
Yeah.
So I think it's quite cool to have such a,
an interesting power system that is the story.
Yeah.
It's not about good.
I'm sure they're good versus evil.
I'm sure that always is some kind of aspect.
Yeah, of course.
And whatnot.
But, you know,
given that a lot of fantasy,
kind of is inspired by Tolkien.
And, you know,
most of like the Tolkien belief in the way of writing is just like,
good will always prevail.
And then it's more about that and the human element,
as opposed to, you know,
the actual systems.
So I think this is really interesting and it's the, you know, it's, it's so nerdy as well.
Yeah, totally nerdy.
It's like, I don't know, it's stuff that I feel like sometimes we don't even get, we get a lot of this in like, I feel like, sci-fi where they're like really help them on kind of explaining the systems.
Yeah.
In making that a core aspect.
So it's really cool that I think we're getting that in fantasy more.
And also that it's popular, which, you know, normally popular means easy to digest or really, you know, approachable story.
Yeah.
It's cool.
Also, the anime just looks so good.
Holy shit.
It looks so good.
The background specifically in the show,
like every single background is like a beautiful water painting.
Yeah.
It's like phenomenal.
Yeah.
They've done an incredible job.
Yeah.
Yeah, this is from the same studio.
It's a fairly new studio.
They also did Zom 100 as well.
I think that's the only other show that they've done.
Right, right.
And, uh...
Yeah, the use of like watercolor and stuff like that,
or like very, like, bright, almost neon colors
very much is like Zom 100 coded.
Because I remember the first episode of Zom 100
when we reacted to that.
I was just like, damn, this shit bright.
It's really colorful.
Coco's eyes are like the single most brightest things in the universe.
And there's so much going on.
It's just like, oh my, there's so much wonder behind these eyes.
Yeah, yeah.
Look at that.
Yeah, all the backgrounds have been really like.
And I love like when they do the law dump too.
They do like the whole like picture book style.
Yeah.
You know, law dump and, you know, actually makes it visually nice as well.
Yeah, I mean, that scene at the end of the first episode where, you know,
Coco cast her first spell and everything goes wrong.
Yeah.
And Kifrey, like, Kajasah, like, that was just such a fucking fantastic scene.
Yeah.
Oh, my, did you get to the end of the first Dragon arc?
No.
So I got up to where they're just escaping from the dragon.
Okay, okay.
So I think the next episode is the end of that.
Bro, there's one scene at the end of that episode where I'm just like,
holy shit, absolute cinema.
Yeah.
Like, Kifrey actually gets like, you know, fucking Gojo level animation.
I'm like, oh my Lord, the aura on this man.
I figured Kifree was gonna come to the rescue.
Yeah. I haven't watched that yet.
I'm definitely excited to continue watching it though,
because this is genuinely just so fun to watch.
Yeah.
I just, yeah, I'm very wondering.
I feel like we are the bad guys.
I feel like with the bad guys.
Why do you keep saying we like we're the bad guys?
I think kind of just wants to be the bad guys.
I'm a part of the team.
I'm watching, I'm a part of the team.
I'm a witch.
I'm a witch, dude, we, we are.
It's us.
It's our perspective.
It's them.
It's ours.
I can be that.
When I'm watching the show, I feel like I'm on the team.
Like when Walter White is cooking meth, I'm like, shit, don't get caught, man.
I got you, I won't rat, I promise.
It's like I know you're a gamer.
You're just like, you never, you don't see you as like, just passive characters.
No, but it's us. That's me for real.
I feel like.
Like when you are watching a show and you are normally following it from one character's perspective,
that, you know, there's intentionality there to make you sympathize and kind of, like I said,
like, be on that team.
Like, you're rooting for them.
And then it's awesome when shows kind of use that bias that we inherently have in kind of fun ways.
How are you watching Micho Contentsy then?
Ooh.
Gross.
I'm like, me watching Micho Contentsay is like, that ain't my man.
I hate my man's right now.
Are we comparing which I'll tell you
to fucking Mishogucco Dense?
Are we going down that route?
Does Coco have an arc?
Polygamy?
Where is the polygamy arc?
Kifrey gets freaky.
I did, I did,
one thing I did think when I,
when it first opened up,
I was like, why does Kifrey have
a bunch of small women?
It is like, why is he training
specifically women?
Young women.
No, I'm kidding.
I'm kidding.
I think, uh,
Yeah, I get, and that's, I do feel like it does use it there in,
in, uh, Michelle Contents a head to do that like,
because you're so uncomfortable with the, I feel like being on the team.
I don't want to be here right now.
It's like, that's, that's, that's my team.
That's what I'm working with right now.
I can't swap.
It's like, girls, let's do it.
Clock it, baby.
And again, I think that's, it's an aspect of why that story works so well as well,
because you do feel so uncomfortable by his actions.
Yeah.
Because you're inherently, when you're,
you're watching it from a character's perspective,
the default thing is to root for them.
And then when they start doing things that they shouldn't,
is the joy of where is the line for you as the viewer?
Yeah.
And I think that's,
the famous anti-heroes are really fun to watch
because then some people will never even get there.
They're like, no, no, I was with him.
You're like, you were supposed to,
you're supposed to feel like he's the bad guy.
Oh, no, I was with light the whole time.
Like my boy.
I was with him, bro.
My motherfucker's watching him.
It's like a...
Yeah, right?
I think that's where
some of these really divisive shows,
or really like iconic shows,
are really great to talk about
because you realize that people started to feel iffy
about the character at certain points.
And I don't think that that's going to happen here
just because of the vibe
that has already been given out by the show.
But I certainly think there'll be a conflict at some point
that will make us question what we've felt
about the knowledge and the magic system.
Yeah.
Oh yeah, I'm sure.
Because maybe we're following the good ones.
Yeah.
The good ones, they got magic.
They're the good ones, though.
You can't set all of this up and not turn into something of that level.
I feel like that would just be such a waste.
Because I really, like, you know, I think Attack on Titan, obviously for a number of reasons, deserves its flowers and whatnot.
But I do really think it was masterful in the way that it made you kind of follow Aaron and the group.
And then obviously, as we slowly learn about the world, you're like, shit.
Hold on.
Wait a minute.
Something ain't right.
And then he goes full genocide.
Okay, all right.
All right, fair enough.
Like, well, I didn't see that comment.
And then they made the Geneva Convention because of that.
Yes.
Yeah.
If whatever is left of the world.
Yeah.
But yeah, you know, I mean, I think that's, that's, that's already,
these parts have been set up that are so fascinating and so interesting.
And again, I think we're in like the Golden Age of Fantasy as well.
Yeah.
And I think the fact that achieved that for you in like two episodes.
Oh, yeah.
That amount of like depth.
Yeah.
in like its possible themes.
I think that just shows how much it does
and how much it achieves
just based on just very, very little being shown.
I will say I would be quite disappointed
if it does just end up turning into
just kind of just going down a safer fantasy route
as opposed to maybe tackling a couple more of these
issues they've set up in the world.
How far in is the manga?
It's pretty far.
The manga.
I know this came out quite a while yet, right?
Yeah, I mean, when did it come out?
It came out, 2016.
Yeah, 10 years ago.
10 years is a pretty good run for a...
Normally, I feel like manga's now that start
don't tend to be longer.
Yeah.
They tend to be a bit more succinct, I think.
Yeah, I mean, I've read...
I can't remember how many volumes I've read,
but I've read quite a lot of the volumes.
Can you all how many volumes there are of which I'll tell you?
Yeah, because I haven't read it in about one or two years.
But I...
I have read a sizable amount of the...
It's a good chunk of volumes.
Yeah, it is.
That's a good amount of volumes.
Yeah, yeah.
That's why I was like, there's no way this will get only one season of anime.
Yeah, yeah.
There are a lot of volumes out.
That's cool.
Nice.
Yeah.
Yeah, I think I've read up to volume...
Ninety four chapters.
I think I've read up to volume nine or something.
Okay.
And yeah, I...
Are you really happy with where the show's kind of...
Oh, fuck you.
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
Okay, wonderful.
I think you'd be happy as well.
Based on...
your questions and your feedback.
But yeah, I mean, it takes it in very interesting directions.
I will say it is because of the characters,
because we are viewing this through Coco's eyes,
a lot of it is, let's say, a lace at the beginning,
a lot more like light-hearted.
And then it hasn't truly, it doesn't truly, truly go dark,
at least not yet in what I've read.
But it definitely has the potential
because there are some very uncomfortable things
that have been introduced in the world of magic.
Yeah, I mean, I don't need it to go dark,
but obviously when you already set up that there's a Geneva convention,
I'm like, I expect it to go somewhere
that will touch on that.
I don't think that Coco is going to vouch for genocide.
That's just a vibe check for me.
I don't think he's going to go forward.
I'm killing everyone.
Fuck everyone.
Coco, inspired by recent events in Israel.
Oh, God, no.
But yeah, I mean, this is, this is another addition to the great fantasy anime that we've been guessing.
God, I'm so glad fantasy's back, bro.
Yeah.
So happy.
Yeah, I heard you've been shit talking Issaquai recently, Joey.
No, I just told facts.
What are you shit talking?
I just told facts of the fact that apparently Daddy Katokawa.
I do, this headline was so funny.
Yeah.
This was a funny headline.
That Daddy Katakawa has lost like more than 50% reverend.
over the past year and they were like, so,
and reporters were like, so, what do you think
was the reason for that? And they were like,
too much Issaqa.
And everyone collectively went, no shit dog.
I mean, this is, this is Kadancher, right?
Yeah, this is, this is, this is Kadancher.
Yeah.
Damn. Yeah.
But I think, you know, but I think that also explains why
the, you know, just, I guess fantasy has come back in a way,
especially in the anime scene, is because, like,
fantasy never went anywhere.
fantasy never went anywhere. No, fantasy never went anywhere, but I think it's also the fact that people
were just like, oh, wait, we can tell a lot of these Issaqai stories without it being an Issykai.
We can just make it a fantasy. Well, I think, I think as the Isakai watcher, yeah. Yes, there are
too many Isakai. But I feel like even like nowadays, the Isakai genre is getting to a stage where
it's like the mega hits have established themselves so well. Yep. And, and,
No one is focusing on the, like, one-season Issaquis that just gets, like, taken out and forgotten.
Well, no, that's the exact criticism I made in my video as well.
It's like, you know, I'm not sitting here being like, we should just abolish all Issaqai
because obviously there's so many fucking great Issaqai.
But the problem is that there's no good new Issaqai that has overstepped or even gone up
to the same level of a boundary as, like, the ones that established it, you know,
fucking 10, 15 years ago.
Yeah, and I think, I mean, even this.
season right now, we are having like re-zero going into season four, which I think is the
strongest season that we've seen thus far. We've had slime. I got reincarnated to the slime. I think
that has been announced. When's the last time you heard this? I think that's been announced
for five cores. This newest season is going to be, I think, five cores? Four or five cores. Holy
shit. Yeah. That's a full year. Yeah. Damn that. I want more of that because the last time I even
remember that happening was world trigger. They got like 70 episodes. Yeah. And I don't know why.
And I watched all of it. Yeah. We're getting a Yorgia Sinkki. Yor Jenski is coming back as well.
I think, I think perhaps one. Shokotensei as well. I'm so excited. I'm actually so excited to see.
So I heard this, you tell me this is like, where shit's about to get real. Well, what do you
mean? And Mishu Kensei, this next like arc.
I don't know about Meshoka Tensei.
I talked about ReZero.
Maybe ReZero.
Yeah, reZero.
And shit has gone real in this new season of ReZero.
I hadn't watched the season of ReZo that we just had.
Yeah, season three.
Should I watch it?
I haven't finished season three.
Yeah, season three is great.
Season four is even better.
Okay.
If you got past season two and you don't like the slower kind of like character building,
world building kind of season.
Yeah, I won't like.
Season two is rough.
Yeah.
I actually enjoy.
season two for the same reason I enjoyed
Attack on Titan season two, which is
it kind of like slows things down, not so much
happens, but you really do get to see
a lot of progression in, especially
Subury as a character, and
it really does pay off in season three,
and season four is just
fucking havoc right now.
I mean, I enjoyed
Subaru's
obviously we've gone off topic now,
but I enjoyed Subaru's
arcs, but I think it was the characters
around him that I struggled to care for as much.
But I thought Subaru as a character was great,
especially I feel like a very relevant character
for modern day time.
Seriously, I think like, you know,
it's very on the nose at times,
but there aren't many shows that,
that, how do I say this,
try to make in cells redeemable.
What I've come to appreciate about.
It's true, man.
What I've come to appreciate about it
is just how, like,
as opposed to something like Machoka Tensei, which I feel like the characters in there are like
maybe a little bit more, is grounded the right words. It's a different vibe, but ReZero is just
unapologetically just like, Subaru is a character is just unwavering in the face of adversity.
You know, he is, he is probably the poster child of what a typical protagonist should be.
You know, he goes through struggles and he wavers sometimes, but at the end of the day, he is, he is probably,
He is always just unwaveringly positive, no matter how shit of a situation he is.
And he finds a way.
Whereas Micho Contente, which is just like, okay, here is just a very interesting drama with some uncomfortably realistic characters sometimes.
Yeah, I mean, like, Mushogatense, whereas ReZero feels like, okay, this is the character.
and we will allow the world to kind of redeem him
through him kind of learning that, hey,
maybe the way I view the world and I view women
and all this stuff is not great.
Maybe I should respect the people around me a little bit more.
But whatever, like, I'm not getting into all that.
The Mushugatensei is really interesting because I feel like
it's got that vibe of the story of like when you move school
and you think no one's going to know you're a loser,
but somehow they sussed it out.
And everyone in the world knows that Rudy's a loser.
And this is kind of vulnerability.
They found his Facebook profile.
Yeah, this is vulnerability that I think works really well,
where it does feel genuine.
Because Rudy feels like a reflection of that worry of everyone viewing you as a loser.
Yeah.
And I think then how do you kind of get past that?
Yeah.
I don't know.
It's interesting.
But I think the things that both the shows do well is that they,
don't celebrate this mentality of, like, I don't know. I guess the any word I can think of it is,
like, insol, I don't know, because I feel like there's a better word here that I could use to describe
this character type. But you know what I mean? Like the kind of guy that...
Just like the otakuism, because... I guess, like, to celebrate...
I mean, they were both written before the, you know, in-cell kind of, like, move...
I guess it would be otaku, yeah, attacku, maybe Hikikamori kind of...
Yeah.
Where it feels like there is a massive market...
to cater towards people
who want to feel like
safe in that mentality of like
Guna and Otaku
and that's fine. The shows are fine
to exist. But I think at these shows
what they do particularly well
and why the stories are so engaging is that they kind of challenge
that that way of like seeing the world
and using this character who kind of
sees it one way and just kind of slowly
changing them and pushing them through
different factors and different conclusions.
Yeah, honestly I think the biggest difference
between these Isakai and other Isakai, it's just...
They feel into it.
They're just good.
They're just better writing.
It's just better written.
It feels like the story has a point to it.
It feels like the author is trying to say something,
whereas a lot of Issaqai, and you know, I use the term Isayai,
but these types of stories are going to exist because there is a market for them.
Yeah, of course.
It's just your basic power fantasy.
It's not going to go away.
It's not going to go away.
It just comes into, it just goes into different iterations.
Like in Japan, Issaqai is very very...
very prevalent in like the power fantasy genre.
You go to Korea and it's all about there's so many like power fantasies in like regression,
which regression is basically what ReZero is where the main character basically dies and resets
to a earlier point in their life and they keep doing it over and over.
In China, it's all about cultivation.
There's a lot of like very cheap cultivation stories.
So like every country has its own iteration of what is basically the same story of what is basically the same
story of I want to feel powerful.
Yes. And there is a different mechanic to make me feel powerful, but it is, it's, it's, it's
all there and it's going to evolve and it's something. If people are getting tired of
Isakai is going to change to something else. Right now I see a big trend in anime, the new
power fantasy slop I feel right now is slowly going into romance. My God, this season,
I'm calling it out. I'm calling it out right now. This season has
so many fucking romance shows
and so many of them have
exactly the same concept
which is
shy guy, probably a nerd
or something. Yeah. Probably a nerd.
He gains the attention
of the popular girl in class. The quirky girl. The
quirky girl, the popular girl
that maybe has a
secret side to them. Maybe they're a little bit
nerdy. Maybe they share a hobby with
the main character, but you know, they
gain, they garner the attention of the popular girl
and it's and and the romance the spark starts.
It's like people saw dress up darling and was like, all right, do that.
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The problem I have with a lot of Isakai and a lot of romance like this like you mentioned
is that like if I feel like the plot is equivalent to a porn, you've failed me.
Like I seriously, it's like, why does the girl like me?
Because she does.
It's like, that's it.
Yeah.
So there's some reason.
there's some, I like load into the world
and everyone wants to fuck me. It's day one.
Everyone, I've got, I'm drowning in pussy.
Yeah. Why? Because why not?
It's like, it's like, it's like,
these stories, the only, it's like
I'd rather watch porn, at least I can fucking
beat my meat and be done with it, and I don't feel bad about
closing it on minute 12.
These shows, they demand you to watch for 12
episodes, and the story's no fucking better.
Yeah, it's blue balls the show.
I, yeah, and half the fucking hentai
I've seen have more interesting and, like, better
world building because it's like, hey, they have to actually like think of a satisfying
reason to turn me on. Yeah. Whereas half these shows just exist because they're just fucking
product to me to some kind of fucking deadline. It's ridiculous. But you know, it makes sense
that all of these are being pushed out with this generation being the loneliest generation.
I know. Yeah, yeah. It makes sense. Why? This is all a product of the current generation.
Yeah. Like, it's understandable. Like, I feel like I have never felt this more like than looking at this
list of like anime is a product like and I feel it man like because it's like half these shows and
even when no offense to daddy get catacawa it's a lot of these shows it was like this is a
who is this for yeah like some of these shows i was like this exists right is that like it's not
like a massive proprietor of these shows right who could this possibly be for and and that's the
other like it's like it exists because someone in a fucking boardroom was like make it yeah like there's
No, there's no fucking passion.
I also blame, like, the authors in a sense, as well, of these kinds of shows.
I blame them.
No, I do it because like...
Let's bully them.
No, because like...
Joey, I blame the audience, man.
The author is just trying to get paid, man.
Well, no, but that's the thing, right?
Is that, like, I feel like if you're an author, and a lot of this comes from, like,
short sits Kanuano and these, like, indie, self-publishing websites in Japan
that a lot of these, like, Isakai shows get picked up from nowadays.
It's just like, okay, I get, like, I get you want to...
sell your product. But like, just doing another cheap iteration of another Issykai because you know
that Issaqai sells is like kind of undermining yourself as an author. Like, okay, if you actually
have a legitimate message or a reason or like an interesting story or, you know, subplot under the
Issykai concept that you want to tell, then, okay, fair enough. But like, we haven't seen that
recently. That's why fucking 90% of the Isikai that comes out in the past five years gets forgotten
about the moment the next season rolls around. I mean, it's, I feel it's just,
more Sturgeon's law, you know.
It's just like 90% of everything is going to be shit, unfortunately.
But we are now getting to the point where the 10% of good stuff is still staying around.
Yeah, totally, totally.
And, you know, which I'm completely okay with, you know.
Yeah, because we've, how long has this East Sky trend been going on for?
At least 10 years.
Yeah. No, it's longer than 10 years.
When did ReZero season one come out?
More than 10 years ago, 2000.
Actually, it might be 2016.
2015.
I probably, oh, 20, 10 years.
10-year.
Yeah.
But it was, when Re-Zero came out, I feel like Issaq fatigue was already like a thing.
You think so?
It was kind of, it was kind of becoming a thing.
I feel like it was, I feel like around this time was when people really started to lock in on the concept of Issaq.
You know what I mean?
Because obviously, yeah, Issaqa's fucking been around for decades.
But like, it wasn't until like ReZero season one and like Kornisuba season one.
Kornisuba was 2030 in though, right?
Is it?
Oh, holy shit.
Am I that old?
Come to see with season one?
Season one.
2016?
Oh, shit, it was 2016.
Same year.
There you go.
I mean, a lot of these shows are just...
Yeah, a lot of the big, like, I guess, quote unquote,
staple Issaquai shows today came out around the mid-20s.
And I think that was the moment where, because we saw just a massive, like, surge immediately
of these very popular shows that all just happened to be in Isikai,
That was the moment where people started to actually be like
pay attention to the Issaqai genre
and then 10 years since then it's just been like
they've just been ramping it up every single month
but lacking the quality obviously
which is why shows like ReZero
are still the most talked about Issaquai
10 fucking years later. It does feel like a lot of
I don't know how to a better term but I think there's a
anime somewhat feels like disposable
in the way that we kind of
treat it and consume it. It feels like...
Well, because there's so much more demand now, right?
So they have to answer to that with more supply.
But the problem is, is that the supply quality is just dipping.
Yeah.
I mean, yeah.
I mean, I would say there's more good shows coming out
in modern anime than ever, but that's just because there's more...
That's just because there's more shows coming out than ever.
And yeah, you are just going to...
What I'm saying is that yes,
but the majority of those good shows are not Issaika.
Like the ones that actually get talked about
are not the Issaquay shows.
Well, I mean, other than, again,
ones like Micho Contense, ReZero, Yorja Sanky,
the ones that actually establish the genre.
I don't think like a show being talked about though
is like the sign of if it's good.
Yeah, I would say.
Yeah, but the problem is no one's watching them.
Yeah, I would say within the Issaquay genre, in general,
especially, it's like the main players,
the juggernaws are already established.
Yes.
And I have not seen like many Isakai shows that have reached that level of just like
hype.
I think the most recent one I can think of that I really truly fell in love with was probably
eminence in shadow.
And I think that was 20, 21 something.
Maybe a bit later than that.
But it takes like 100 stinkers to get one good one.
totally, you know.
Totally.
And yeah, sometimes it takes a while.
But when, but we are getting, we have gotten to the point now where there are like
five, six, you know, five, six amazing fucking Issaquai shows that are getting into the
season two, season three, season fours, you know.
This year, not just for fantasy.
It's been, I mean, fantasy and Issaquay are basically interchangeable at this point.
But this, this year we're getting fucking Micho Ketensei, re-zero.
sentence of a bookworm
all within like a few months of each
slime as well which is another great
Yerjasekai, Yo-Josankei as well
which is one of the meg
I'm surprised it took this long to get like season two
of this one as well
I feel like it's hard now
with the amount of new Isikai shows
coming out to for one to get like a good adaptation
because a lot of them don't deserve a good adaptation
and yeah
it just seems like fantasy
is in the best phase it is right now,
not just in the East Sky genre,
but in all the fantasy.
Dude,
they beat up fucking sci-fi,
spat on it and threw it on the side of the world.
Sci-fi's dead.
Yeah.
Can we work that back,
though?
Sci-fi's so sick.
I think...
I think we need more sci-fi, bro.
All right.
Tinfo hat on.
I think fantasy is popping off now
more than ever
because more than ever
people just want to escape
bad.
People want to escape.
I guess that's true.
I guess sci-fi isn't as popular anymore
because technology isn't as fun to talk about it.
Well, this is like whenever you watch,
you know, like if you watch like 2001 Space Odyssey
and the enemy is like a computer that takes over.
I think it was cool when that fell out of reach.
But no, no, I think it's true.
I think more than anything now,
people look at technology and they're like,
oh, it's scary.
Yeah, yeah.
It's like we already deal enough with it,
you know, in our actual everyday life.
if we don't want to actually fucking, you know, read us all this story about it.
80s was like so much sci-fi.
Yeah, because, because it's exciting.
Technology was exciting then.
It was like, this is the future.
You know, you guys to Japan, you go to Akihabra, you know, you got...
They're doing, like, amazing, exciting things.
And now people look at technology, and they're like either bored of it, they're scared
or they're just fucking done, you know?
People want to escape.
They want to go to a different world.
For sure.
You know, and I feel like that's why there's so many fantasy.
shows being made and so many amazing fantasy shows being made.
Whereas like, remember the, remember when Black Mirror actually felt like,
reality? Like a, like a parody and not actually reality.
Yeah, yeah. And then we realized that Black Mirror just wasn't as ridiculous as what
reality could give us, you know? I'm like, I literally heard about this a week ago from Grog.
Yeah, yeah, right? Like, this is not fiction anymore. Black Mirror, a series like Black Mirror
cannot keep up with the modern day anymore.
Yeah, totally.
And it's,
it's just gone.
But I think that there is still the capacity to tell,
like,
the season,
you know,
one through three black mirror.
I think it just got lazy.
I don't know.
It's like,
I think back to,
what was the episodes?
Shut up and dance.
That was like the best one,
I think,
from where the twist was the guy was looking at like,
yeah.
yeah.
The, the scariness there came from, you know, storytelling, not from the technology, really.
The technology wasn't really that much of a factor in it.
But it was terrifying how this voice or this person from another screen was controlling this character, also it seemed.
So I think, you know, I think the problem is they were just trying to be like, dog, scary.
You're like, I don't know.
Like drones, yeah.
we have those, bro. We're using them right now.
We know that scary. Don't worry.
I sure. Okay. God forbid.
Yeah.
And the Black Mirror had that whole episode where I
remember the exact premise, but I guess
the premise was the guy wanted to fuck another guy
while playing like Street Fighter. Do you remember this episode?
I remember this episode. Yeah.
What the fuck.
I was like, this is just VR chat, bro.
Yeah. What is this? What is this episode?
This is the Discord server. Yeah, I was like,
what is this is Black Mirror? What the hell is this?
Yeah, sorry. I think that's my point where I was like,
Black Mirror just is just like...
They just gave up.
Yeah.
I don't think I gave up.
I just like, could you do an interesting fucking Black Mirror episode on AI?
Oh, 100%.
100%.
I mean, we've heard so many horror stories of people doing, like,
people like accidentally, you know, killing themselves
because they followed what AI's done or people going into like,
there's been, we've so many documented cases already, people are going to like psychosis.
Because the AI just keeps saying, yeah, man, I hear you.
You're correct.
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
You can reinvent physics.
It is possible.
Because I think the thing that holds it back now.
I mean, maybe there is a new AI episode.
I haven't actually watched the newest episodes of Black Mirror.
But I just think when Black Mirror came out,
it was so good at sparking a conversation, right?
It sparked this conversation of, damn,
technology is scary, technology is dangerous,
and it was at a time when we weren't having this conversation.
But nowadays, if Black Mirror
If it hasn't already done so, I'm uninformed,
but if BlackBera drops an episode about AI,
I'm like, what more could it possibly add
to the conversation that we aren't already having?
Or have already had a million times already.
Well, that's up to the riders, isn't?
That's my point, that's my point, right?
It's just like, it just, the modern day has changed.
Our view of technology has changed.
And it was-
Yeah, because it's not fiction anymore.
Exactly, right?
Yeah, it's not science fiction anymore.
It's just science facts.
It's just science.
Yeah.
The two guys fucking on,
fine game, like you said, it's just VR chat, you know?
That's not fiction.
This isn't sci-fi, this is just sci.
You know, it's just...
Give us more sigh.
Give us more sigh stories.
Yeah, I don't need to know si.
I go on YouTube for that shit, you know?
Well, they, the last, I think the last good Blackmere episode was the, the, um,
the SS Callister one.
That was pretty good.
Yeah, that was a good episode.
And then they made a second episode.
I haven't watched the second episode.
fine. You don't need to watch it.
I haven't watched Black Mirror Pass like season two.
Yeah, I think because the problem is the tech had to get,
had to get more fantastical than what we have.
Yeah. And so it kind of got to the point of like almost becoming fantasy.
I was like, okay, now we're getting ridiculous.
Yeah, yeah. I'm sorry, but yeah.
I don't know. I, I, there's so many interesting stories, but it's hard.
And you know, one thing that also pisses me off. I don't know if anyone
like I'm pissed off by this. This is me nitpicking.
I get so fucking pissed off.
when like they're texting or they're calling in a show.
And the tech looks so fake.
As in like, they're just like just calling or texting
looks nothing like how we actually call or text.
Yeah.
And I know it's because they don't have like,
you know, they're not allowed to like use Facebook Messenger one for one.
Because, you know, that's a thing.
But they always look so fake and I'm like, this, we're regressing.
This is like if you like try to show me how someone used a rotary phone
and it just like wasn't work.
looking correct. And it feels wrong. It's also like annoying when I'm watching something
scientific and then the call and I know they do this because it's good quality. But all the,
every single Zoom call looks so fake in movies. It's like 4K. And I hate it because it's like I have
this technology and all of us do this all the time and it looks nothing like this. And I don't
understand why they can't just make it look shitty. Like why? Yeah, they got that Google meets premium
that we don't know about.
And it's like, they're holding their phone
walking around and it looks perfect.
It's like stabilized.
Cinema quality.
4K. Microphone quality off the charts.
And it's like, do you know how it would be so easy
to do this scene and just get fucking Karen
to hold the phone and actually do this fucking scene?
Yeah.
It'd be more realistic.
Internet is stable enough now where it would look fine.
I don't get it.
It drives me nuts.
I'm I the only one who's going to insane.
No, I tell you what it gives the same vibe of.
I remember like those old gaming trailers
where they try to replicate, you know,
people playing online video games.
I'd be like, whoa, good pickup, man.
Yeah, that's the, uh, fucking doing all this shit.
That's the new, that's the new BFG gun I got there.
You know, I'm like, down, nobody talks like this.
There's like zero slurs being said right now.
I'm like, this is, this, there's something,
great game, buddy.
No one fucking says that.
Yeah, it gives off that same kind of energy
where you just, you're trying to replicate real life,
But something just feels off about the way people are talking
or the way it's like being presented.
It's just frustrating because I'm supposed to be grounded in our world
and the core things that I do every day
don't look even remotely like what they're showing.
God, you know, do you know the sub-genre of movies
that I fucking despise?
The Zoom call movies where it's all like fucking...
Unfriended?
Yeah, like unfriended.
That was the goat.
Back when you were Skype.
I love that shit.
God.
just sit, like you just see the fucking desktop the entire time.
And just people on different Zoom calls.
I fucking despise that shit, man.
Yeah.
Oh, God.
I watched a horror movie.
It was, it was a, it was a podcast horror movie.
Can you Google this horror podcast movie?
It came out recently.
It was an A24 film, I think.
Undertone.
Undertone.
And I watched this.
It was, and they hosted a podcast.
and as somebody who hosts a podcast,
I will say it was like kind of okay dialogue.
I was like,
the actors were doing a pretty good job,
but this is a problem of like
when they do podcasts or they do these kind of things.
It's all so familiar, especially I mean to us,
but to most people,
because they listen to these things often.
It's like,
I feel like we can just suss out immediately
when the conversation somewhat sounds genuine.
Yeah.
And I think it's really hard to kind of put those things in.
But then I was thinking about this the other day,
I was like, do you think like people,
when people watch these films in like 40 years?
They'll think that's how we were using like Zoom.
That's how we like did podcasts.
Because I realize a lot of like,
a lot of what I know of like the 60s and 50s and 70s
is from movies and like things being shown in them.
And I know that obviously they're not real,
but because I'm a functioning adult.
But I wonder how many things that I just assume worked like that
because they always do that in the movie
didn't actually work like that for various reasons.
Wait, you mean that people in the 50s weren't going,
See all the time?
What the fuck?
You just crush my dreams.
You tell me when they walk in a room,
they don't pour a whiskey right away?
Yeah, what the fuck?
Everyone was alcoholic back then, right?
I actually is realistic.
Actually, that's realistic.
But it's this aspect of like,
when you're in these, like,
sci-fi things and it's like,
they can't even get the stuff now right,
that it completely takes me out of
any world they're trying to build
that I'm supposed to feel is the same
as, you know, my world.
Yeah, which, like,
it's interesting to say,
to, like, especially in the genre of sci-fi, where there are some shows that seem to, like,
never age and some shows which age, like, after, like, a year or day or something.
Like, you know, comparing, comparing some of, like, the Black Mirror episodes, maybe, like,
Dune or, you know, something like that, where there is future tech in it, there is future
technology, but it's still, like, it's old and new at the same time, right?
And it doesn't feel dated at all, even though it was written for, you know,
fucking in the 60s. Yeah, in the 60s, man. Yeah, I mean, well, I think that just is a testament to how
fucking visionary Frank Herbert was. Yeah. You know, in that sense, right? But like, yeah, because I mean,
like, I would say there is one horror movie that I thought is like fairly realistic in a sense
that actually was scary. I think it's called, um, can you look it up, Kai? I think it's called.
Longed legs. Yeah. I think it's called creep. Yeah. Yeah, this is it. You guys know about this movie?
No. Um, so this is a movie. Um, so this is a movie.
where it's essentially,
it's essentially like shot kind of like,
like, not so much Blair,
but like kind of found footage type of thing,
where essentially this like videographer
gets like a call from this like guy
who wants him to make a documentary
about his life or something.
But the way that is shot and the way that is edited
genuinely feels like a YouTuber
is just rocked up to someone's house
and started filming it.
But in like a really creepy way.
And like I feel like this is one of those moments
where it's like, it's realistic enough where it's familiar enough for people who like watch
YouTube or like, you know, watch these kinds of, you know, amateur video where you would,
you could genuinely believe like, okay, this is like not exactly cinema. Like, because, you know,
sometimes with like a lot of like the found footage stuff, it's very clearly like, yeah, this is shot
on a fucking movie camera type of thing, right? Like, but it's still found footage. But this one I feel
is like genuinely one of those movies where it's like, if you told me this was found footage,
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But I don't feel like we don't get enough stuff like that anymore
because the whole found footage thing
has just been kind of overdone now.
Yeah, I mean, found footage, I mean, if it's done well.
Yeah, I feel like this is one of the few, like,
modern interpretations of like movies that would actually age well because it is familiar enough
to the real thing but again we don't get enough of with with tech and this stuff it's ultimately like
black mirror again was at its best and this kind of things when it's a human story and the tech is there
to kind of move the story along in a certain way yeah but ultimately comes down to something that we can
all understand this maybe this guy is obsessed with this guy and the horror of that feeling and maybe the
the way that it's shot is like a vehicle.
I don't know.
I'm assuming that's what pretty one makes it good.
Yeah, yeah.
Because everyone can relate to someone not wanting to leave
or being a little too intense, right?
That's a, that's an emotion we can all feel.
So how can you twist that with the technology
to make it even more uncomfortable?
Yeah, no, I feel like there's a fine line
when it comes to portraying real life,
not just like technology, but like real life themes.
Sometimes if something feels too on the nose,
it's, you kind of, you kind of like are even more like,
analytical and critical over it because you're like,
that wouldn't happen in real life.
Or maybe it would, maybe it wouldn't.
I don't know.
I feel like the biggest thing about fictional stories
compared to modern day life with the modern day social media
aspect with all like news being fed
is if you are trying to make a film like this
that is representative of real life
events. A lot of the times in modern day, I kind of realized that human imagination can never
can never match human stupidity. Characters in real life will always be like a little bit more
weird than what can be portrayed in the movies. But if you portray it in the movies, it's going to
feel cheap. It's going to feel cheap, you know?
No, I feel that. Reality is stranger than fiction as they say. Yeah, yeah, exactly, exactly. And I feel
that more and more in the modern day as you read, uh, as you just watch like a single
moist critical video, it's like, damn, if they made a, if they made a film about this,
ain't no way anyone's going to believe this shit, you know? I won't believe it until I see
based on a true story. Yeah, yeah, yeah, exactly right. And even then I'll be like, this is conflated.
Exactly right. Yeah, no, I totally feel that. But, uh, yeah, uh, speaking of like horror,
I watched, uh, Silence of the Lambs for the first time. Oh, word? Yeah, the other day. I watched
recently the last time too.
Oh, really? How'd you find it?
Uh, it was, it was good. It wasn't, it wasn't a horror film.
Uh, I don't, it's like a thriller.
I would count this more as a thriller, if anything.
I guess. I go to Anthony Hopkins. Yeah. Welsh legend. Oh my god.
Oh yes, you watch the OG long legs.
I literally watched this with Sydney and I was like, oh, word for
verbatim, we were like, this is what long legs wanted to be.
This is what long legs wanted to be.
I see the vision now.
The fucking scene where the fucking senator comes,
Senator, I see you've been breastfeeding.
That's like ridiculous.
This movie's so good though.
Holy shit.
Yeah.
I have a question.
Is Hannibal Lecter gay?
Because I was watching this film and I was just like,
I can't.
I was like.
He keeps eating other men's meat.
He must be gay.
I was like, what is, what is this vibe, right?
Like, I'm, I'm sensing right now.
Lad, is it gay to eat your homie?
The last thought of my mind was, is Hannibal gay?
I don't know.
Some of the delivery of some of these lines, I'm just like,
and this is like half terrifying, but half, ooh, okay.
Half spicy. Half spicy.
Half spicy, ooh, Anthony Hopkins.
I think it's this whole idea of like,
Hannibal Lector as a character is just so deranged.
that like what he's not aware of what he's actually saying
and how it's coming off.
Yeah. So like, I don't know if it's gay,
but, you know, there might be some like homoerotic elements in it
that maybe some people will be like, oh, what's going on, bro?
He's definitely a little zesty.
Yeah. Yeah, just a little bit zesty.
I mean, you know, because like Hannibal Lect is the kind of character
that like almost feels like, you know,
the act of like killing and eating someone is almost like a sexual
desire for him. I'm just saying if this was made in the modern day and maybe this, maybe, maybe it's
sparked something even when it came out. I was like, this is peak toxic Yowie main character.
Tell me I'm wrong. Tell me I'm wrong. This would be some weird fucking mom going to see.
Dude, if Havile Alexa came up on screen and he had the yowie hands, I'd be like, bro, peak.
That final line where he's like, I'm having a friend for dinner. Yeah. I'm just like down, bruh.
Dude, that line goes so hard.
I'm sure that was terrifying back in the day.
Fucking scary.
It's so cute.
Yeah, everybody else is like shitting themselves
in that final line being like,
oh, what a creepy line.
Meanwhile, it's like,
homie's gay.
That's some gay shit he just said.
That's crazy.
That was the first takeaway.
Hey, oh, is Hannibal liked a gay?
Question mark, can we look it up?
I love the older films.
A lot of them do this
where like the most iconic
character is like barely in the film. Yeah. Uh, because Hanibbletor is pansexual. Okay.
Thank you. There you go. Thank you. Okay. Well, I haven't seen the second or third one.
I'm glad I wasn't the only one to ask that question. Yeah, you know what? I don't know about
you, but when I was watching science of the lambs, the last thing on my mind was, what's Hannibal
like the sexuality? No, I was like, he's a monster. He's a monster. Yeah. He is a monster. And then sometimes
it will say like a line that is a little bit zesty.
I'm just like, ooh.
He's a monster, but I bet he's here.
He's very smart.
Yeah, we know that.
The gaydar is going off.
Is Hannibal a LGBTQ show?
What?
I think that's the TV show, Hannibal, right?
Oh, yeah, there is a TV show.
Yeah, not Hannibal.
I don't know.
How was the Hannibal film?
Because I know that was like a sequel to...
Never seen it.
I've heard the sequel is atrocious.
Is it?
And then the third one, which I believe is a prequel,
is quite good.
Okay.
Okay, I've heard the sequel, like, kind of ruins the character.
And let me click the second one.
What is it?
Where is the, it should be...
What is the second one?
Hannibal II, I don't know.
Silence of the lamps too.
It should be ups.
If you scroll up, it should basically like...
Sounds the lambs too.
Even more silent.
It should be like somewhere listed.
Maybe...
Maybe not.
I don't know.
I didn't even know there was a third film.
No, it came out after.
Silence of the Hams.
Okay, no.
Sounds of the Hams.
Santa Lam's sequel.
Maybe you just Google it.
Yeah, look up Sansa Lambs sequel.
Hannibal.
Oh, it's Hannibal, okay.
Yeah, apparently this film was very bad.
Oh, really?
What's the rating?
No, that's the TV show.
That's the TV show.
Yeah, I heard the TV show is good.
TV shows rated well.
Yeah.
6.8.
6.8.
That's still pretty good for a horror show.
But you've got fucking Anthony Hopkins in it.
You don't bring out the fucking A game for a 6.8.
Yeah, you're also sequeling off of one of the greatest horror throws.
Yeah.
So 8.6, the original.
Yeah.
It's Hannibal Rising as well.
Oh, my God.
What is that, is that the, which one's the prequel?
What fuck is Hannibal rising?
Oh, Red Dragon's the prequel.
Red Dragon's the prequel.
That's the third movie.
Red Dragon.
Oh, one of the last.
With Anthony Hopkins.
I don't know who this is.
I don't know who this is.
2007.
Oh, it's Reese Evans.
Oh.
I've never heard of this.
No, never heard of this either.
Doesn't matter.
Just watch, if you never watch any of them,
audience, just watch Silence of the Lambs.
Yeah, it's a fucking fantastic film.
Anthony Hopkins.
kills it.
No pun intended.
I was trying to think of...
He eats it.
I watched...
What else do I watch?
I watched Hamnet.
Hamnet?
Hamnet?
Hamnet.
I watched Hamnet in the theaters in Japan.
Nobody else in the theater, by the way.
Just me.
Story about...
Not Hamlet.
No, Hamnet.
Story about Williams Shakespeare, I guess.
I don't want to say...
Because I feel like this term is very unhelpful
when critiquing.
movies, but just to kind of set you in the mood, it felt like Oscar bait.
Just, just to like, I don't agree with that term for like the movie, but to help you
understand the vibe.
Do you know?
Oh, Paul Nescalo plays William Shakespeare.
Yeah.
It's so funny because in the movie, they don't say, he doesn't call himself William Shakespeare
at all in the movie.
Oh.
Because that's just like a stage name.
At one point, they say it.
And it's like, it's like this weird, like, Avengers scene where it's like, he's like,
calling him like Iron Man.
They're like, does William Shakespeare live here?
It's really good.
I got the-
We have the title drop at one point.
Like, I swear, I got the same feeling
when I watched at Oppenheimer,
when they fucking name drop Einstein, you know?
Da-da-da-da-uhn.
It's like, Albert Einstein.
You remember the scene where he approaches Einstein?
And it's just like, you know,
in that comic book, the comic book seed
where it's just like, you named off
the character and then there's this like big reveal.
And then he turns around. And then the pause for like the audience.
I swear there was, maybe, maybe this is the Mandela effect.
But I swear the same thing happened in Oppenheimer where Einstein turns around.
And you just have this moment where I was like, oh, it's Einstein.
Oh shit.
He looks just like him.
And I also watched the devil wears Prada too.
Holy shit.
Oh, how was that?
Same here.
This.
I've never seen the first.
You never seen the first one?
I have not seen the first one.
Dude, the first movie is great.
I had, I had two hours to kill in Vietnam.
Oh, yeah.
Waiting for my dinner.
Wow.
Okay.
And I, uh, I, it was so fucking hot that I was like everywhere I was going to, like,
I already ate lunch.
And I was like, well, it's either I start drinking or I go and watch a movie.
Or both.
So I went to go watch a movie.
And this is the only thing that was available at that time.
So I watched it.
Oh, bro.
I, uh, I did the same in Thailand, actually.
Oh, really?
Yeah.
Uh, me and Sydney wanted to try out the VIP.
treatment in Thailand.
And they have like
they have, they had like these bed seats
that I wanted to try out.
And it's, it's like,
it's like full bed seats.
It's like kind of like hospital beds kind of
where you can like, where you can recline it.
It can go as far down as you want to.
But you get like, you can buy wine with it.
So I was just like,
oh, it's fucking great.
It was a great day day because basically it's,
you know that cinema in,
in Kabukisha Tower.
Yep. It's kind of like that where you go in
and you can go chill out in this kind of like lounge before.
You can have food, have a few drinks.
And then they, if you buy, like, you can buy a bottle of wine
that they serve you in the cinema.
And me and Siddy were like, you know,
if we're gonna watch Devil Wears Prada 2, there needs to be one.
Bring the wine out.
We gotta get the wine out.
And it was a great experience, drunk.
How was the movie though?
It was exactly how you think.
Meryl Streep is an icon as always.
Yeah.
I mean, I watched the first movie and I really liked it.
I really enjoyed Devil was a brother.
The first one?
The second one as well.
Oh, really?
I mean, I had fun.
Hell yeah.
I had fun.
But you've never seen the first one, right?
No.
You should.
In the first 20 minutes of the film,
they were like, remember this guy?
And I was like, no.
They were like, oh my God, you're back.
And I was like, from where?
From the first movie?
It was a little like derivative of the first movie.
I mean, it's clearly made for the fans.
But I had fun.
I had fun watching it and I didn't, you know,
I didn't feel like I wasted my time.
And Anne Hathaway is just so beautiful
that I don't mind just watching her.
Dude, I can't believe it's been 20 years.
She's so beautiful.
She has not aged.
It's fucked up, dude.
Also, I am just gonna say,
I think Meryl Streep's fucking hot.
Merrill Street was so hot.
Merrill Street was so hot.
It was, when we were watching,
when we were watching, Sydney just turns me and she was like,
damn, Ann Hathaway's,
dude, she's stunning.
And I was like, I was like,
Honey, am I allowed to say that too?
Because you kind of right.
Wongo, what go.
Yeah, it's insane how little both Merrill Streep and Ann Hathaway have aged since the first movie.
Yeah, Merrill Street looks exactly the same.
Yeah, exactly the same.
And this is like, this is just a guilty pleasure for me.
Maybe it's not a guilty pleasure, but I'm like, I realize why I really like Devil's Ware Prada.
It's because Merrill Street is just fucking Cinderay.
and the entire time, Anne Hathaway is just looking for her approval
and the one or two scenes when she gets it.
Yeah, so satisfied.
And it's exactly the same in the second one.
Yeah.
Right.
She goes back to being like, who this bitch, who this bitch?
Yeah.
And there's a few scene where it's just like,
Mel Streep just has like the son, I'm proud of you moment, you know?
And you live for those like two fucking scenes of approval.
You like, white girl.
Yeah.
I also don't know if I got a bad role.
must have got a bad role, but this cinema was straight cheeks.
Really?
Oh, really?
In Vietnam?
Yeah, dude, that popcorn, it was a CGV cinema.
So I actually think it's a Korean chain.
Okay.
But man, that popcorn should have been banned under the Genuio Convention.
Shit was like a weapon.
I was trying to eat it.
Shit was dust and getting stuck in my throat.
Awful.
But the scenes did this weird thing when I sat on them.
The back was like springy.
So, like, fully reclined.
We'll say, though, I was,
It was just me in this theater and maybe about 80 Vietnamese women.
And they were fucking loving it.
Every joke fucking killing.
They were laughing their asses off every joke.
This is such an iconic fucking movie as well.
Like, how was Vietnam though?
We haven't talked about it.
We haven't talked about it.
I'd rather talk about the Devil West Prada show.
I'm kidding.
No, it's great.
It's awesome.
Also, before we move on, I really want to fucking watch the sheep detectives.
I heard it's amazing.
The what detectives?
The sheep detectives.
I heard it's literally like,
one of the best films.
Sheep detectives?
I know it sounds ridiculous.
Okay, I will talk about Vietnam a second.
I just wanted the,
I've heard this is amazing.
What?
I want to wash it.
And it's starring Hugh Jackman.
What is it?
I'm Brian Crensen.
Apparently it's literally amazing.
Of course, the Welsh person wants to watch this.
I want to fuck the sheep.
I want to funk the sheep.
I don't want to funk the sheep.
Yeah, I get it.
Oh, Patrick Stewart's in it?
Yeah.
Holy shit.
But you can get him anything, bro.
Who's in the emoji movie?
Okay.
Don't be a much.
Try that.
Okay.
Anyway.
Okay, so Vietnam.
Yeah, we went to Thai.
Thai was great.
Yeah, we did go to Thailand.
We went to Thailand.
Yeah, you said we went to Thai.
We went to Thai.
We went to Thai.
I was great.
Well, you know, I've not been there like twice.
We're kind of Thai.
Yeah, yeah.
I can say Thai.
We're Thai.
We're Thai.
You know, Thai's great.
Yeah, it's awesome.
I just, you know, my stomach was taking a beating.
Oh, really?
Yeah.
Yeah, but, you know, I don't know if it's like the Gaunt effect,
but I will say every meal in Thailand,
is like an absolute 10 out of 10.
100%.
I don't think I have ever had bad food in Thailand.
In Vietnam, it was like either a 10 or a fall.
It was mostly tens, but occasionally I'd get stinkers.
And I was like, damn, Thailand.
Maybe because Scott took me the best.
Well, yeah, I did take you to all my...
And then I realized I was like, I need a guy.
I need a guy in Vietnam because I'm eating falls sometimes.
And I can't be eating falls.
I need someone.
Because I know that I'm going to the wrong places.
I need someone from Vietnam to take me to the food spots.
Because I know there's, because I had tens,
I know that I could be having a full 10 trip.
Was one of the tens of Barnme?
The Bar Mies are all 10s.
They're all tens.
They're all tens.
They are all tens.
When you went to Vietnam, it was all tens, right?
It was all tens for me as well.
All 10.
I got the Anthony Bourdain approved Barney place and it was a 10.
Yeah.
Yeah, Barney fucking goaded, man.
I fucking love Baner.
No, we went to Thailand.
Went to Thailand first.
Yeah, we Connor rocks up.
So you stayed at my house the first day.
Connor rocks up and he's like, sorry, I don't really have any plans.
I want to, I want what to do.
And I'm like, yeah, I know, you're Connor.
Don't worry.
And I asked him, it was just like, so what do you want to do?
Do you want to hit up the tourist spot?
You want to hit up the, you know, historical places?
And he just looks at me in the face and he goes, nah.
I didn't want to.
And I'm like, all right, I got you, bro.
Do you want to hit up all of my local food spots?
and he's like, that sounds amazing.
Yeah, it was great.
That first question was unnecessary.
Yeah, yeah, so I was like, I could have taken him
to like some of the cultural places,
some of the famous places in Bangkok.
Sure.
But I know Connor, I know my mates, and I know what he really wants.
And so what I just did is we just had a food tour.
And I mean, it's a great fucking place to do it.
Yeah, yeah.
So basically I took him to all of my local places.
Some, you know, some are on every kind of price range.
You know, we started off at like the dingiest kind of like local food stores,
which had some fantastic fucking noodles.
I went to like some of the air-conditioned restaurants as well.
I had to say air-conditioned because, you know, when you go to the local food spots,
you have to make the choice of like, is this food worth dying in this heat for?
True.
And eating these chilies for.
And some of them are, and some of them are just like, okay, let's wait for the winter.
Yeah, yeah.
Let's wait for the winter because I, if I'm going to be sweating from this curry,
I need to be sweating in an air-conditioned restaurant.
Sure.
For this curry.
And yeah, and then we went to all of the different restaurants,
and then we went to, got some we as well, which is one of the islands as well.
Like Hawaii, but like way better.
Oh, okay.
Well, I mean, Hawaii's awesome, but Hawaii is just like extremely touristy.
And this island was too, but it was expensive.
Yeah, but it was just kind of nice.
I don't know.
It didn't feel as stressful as Hawaii.
Hawaii's quite, like once you were there,
you feel like you're an adult Disneyland.
You're like, go in the line, get on the line,
do this, go wait, pay triple the price for a beer.
You're like, God, damn, okay.
All right, geez, I already feel like I'm on vacation.
And then everything's like money, money now.
Money, give me money.
You're like, okay, all right.
But yeah, it's pretty good.
And we started off with the food.
It was you gave me these like pork skewers,
love those things.
Yeah, okay, I'm going to ask by it now.
Okay.
Out of all the things that I got you to try,
what were some of your favorites?
What stands out for you?
Because I was thinking about this the other day,
I was like, what was the single best meal?
And I, dare I say, you took me to this, like a mall, right?
And in this mall, there was this, like, really fancy looking, like, Thai restaurant.
And I think that was the best meal.
Like, everything that I got in that place was a 10 out of 10.
Yeah.
And I think the single best dish was the River Prawns.
Oh, yes.
River ponds.
These things are so fucking good.
So I took him to a Thai seafood place.
It wasn't a mall,
but some of the best restaurants are in malls,
just because people spend all that time in malls.
It was fucking good.
It was fire.
Yeah.
The coconut smoothie was like off the charts too.
It was perfect.
And then there was crab curry, which,
oh my God, I love crab curry.
Yeah, I kind of didn't realize
because I take it for granted
until I like had people visiting.
But I was like,
I kind of underestimated how delicious Thai seafood was.
Thai river prawns.
Yeah, because I don't think last time I went with you guys,
we didn't really eat a whole lot of seafood from whatever.
No, because the Thai dishes that are famous are like,
obviously like all the curries, green, red curries.
Noodles and stuff.
But...
Seafood is the best, I think.
Yeah, I think what I eat a lot when I go to Thailand is all of the seafood.
There's this Thai seafood sauce that I don't see...
Oh my God, the seafood sauce is so good.
It's like this kind of like green, kind of like really refreshing,
very spicy seafood sauce that is in every...
every local Thai seafood restaurant.
A little bit sour as well.
It's really nice.
And you just chuck, you just fucking chuck it on every piece of seafood.
Yeah, search up Thai seafood sauce.
Yeah, it's this one.
Dude, this shit is so good.
Sing Long Thai-style seafood dipping sauce.
Yeah, and I rarely see this outside of Thailand.
I'm sure there are some restaurants somewhere outside of Thailand that serve this,
but I don't want me see this.
And this is like my go-to dipping sauce.
I mean, it's a seafood sauce, but this shit goes with everything.
And then there was like fried river crab or something.
That was really good.
Yeah, we got him some like crab curry as well.
Dude, crab is so good in Thailand.
The crab is fucking fat-tops.
Do they just have tons of crab?
Yeah.
We have like the river crabs.
There's so much crab and everything.
And I was like, dude, this shit would rummy dry in the UK.
And in Japan, really, as well, crab is kind of expensive.
It's getting expensive, yeah, for sure.
And like we have some pretty like our river prawns I think are some some of the fucking best and they're fucking massive as well
What you got was like one of the smaller ones
Those are pretty big yeah, but those are normally pretty big, but they are they're kind of like lobsters
Look at that they're they're in size of the fucking arm. Yeah, the the the proper river prawns are like halfway in between like a lobster and like
They're not as big as a lobster like kind of like a king prawn. Yeah like a kind of like a king prawn right hot day
I think lobster is hell overrated
For the price you're paying for
Most of the time, I agree
I just feel like prawns taste as good if not better
And I don't get scammed
Like I feel like I'm paying so much for a lobster
And I just don't feel like the taste is worth it
Unless yeah sure if I'm in like
Fucking Maine, New England I get a lobster
Okay, sure, right, fresh
But like oftentimes it's a scam in a lot of places
I feel like
And this thing honestly to me tastes way better than a lobster
Yeah combine that with the seafood sauce
Yeah
Say no more.
Yeah.
I also got you to try my favorite
one of my favorite fish dishes as well
which is basically the fish
boiled in
boiled in like sour
like lime sauce as well
with a shit ton of herbs in it.
The problem is is that everything feels like
because it's so spicy
every dish is like minus one HP
every time you take a sip or a bite
like
I will eat anything in front of me
even if I'm full.
And so we're in this beer place
and it keeps
coming out and I keep eating it, but every time I eat it, it hurts because it's so spicy.
And it's like, it's not even that like, if I had one of those dishes on its own, it would be
fine. But when you're on like dish number five of being spicy, it just starts taking a toll.
Yeah. And you're feeling it like 45 minutes into the meal. And I'm shitting myself all the time.
And none of it is like, you know, my stomach doesn't have the constitution to break this down.
So it's all like fluid in, fluid out. It's ridiculous. Okay. Blatening me now. Yes. Holy shit.
You found it, yeah.
This shit was heat.
Yeah.
This is fucking great.
It's basically translates into fish boiled in lime because it's kind of like a lime kind of like sauce.
And it's just got a shit ton of chilies, as you can see.
A shit ton of herbs.
And you boil it in it.
And it's just like mouth watering.
And yeah, having like having said that, yeah, I think hot take, I'm going to say it.
I don't think Thai food is that spicy.
Bite by bites.
This is a Thai man saying this.
And this is a Thai man saying this.
I don't think Thai food is that spicy,
but it's just like, it's just the,
it accumulates.
Yeah, yeah, yeah, that's what I mean.
It's like a poison builder.
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
Yeah.
It's not like wasabi where it just like punches you
in the face and then leaves.
Yeah, because I swear to God,
every time I have a friend around on Thailand,
I, you know, they have like the first few dishes.
Yeah.
And like, they take the first bite.
And that every single time I just hear,
oh, it's not so bad.
That's not so bad, you know.
And then it creeps up on you.
And then by the end of the meal,
by the end of the meal,
they're in the like 10th bite and like,
it's getting a bit spicy, isn't it?
That's me for real.
Yeah, because we ordered these things.
There was like the, I think it was chicken cartilage,
but it wasn't, because in Japan,
it's always deep fried.
Yeah, non-kotser.
But in Thailand, it's just grilled.
Yeah.
And I actually kind of prefer it grilled.
I could taste a lot better.
I think it's too oily in the Nankotsu.
It can be.
Oeily with crunch.
I was like, hmm.
But I really like the grilled one.
But eating that, of course, it's cooked in chilies too.
So I'm eating that.
And then there's these, these, I don't know what they were.
They were like mince balls.
Yeah, it's like, mince balls, but we like deep fry it.
With chilies.
With chilies.
It has chilies in them.
I'm eating those.
I mean this and I mean this fish.
And then I ordered Morning Glory as well,
which I always order literally everywhere.
Yeah.
I love morning glory.
Everywhere.
everywhere outside of Thailand, they don't put chilies in, but so in.
But they put, they put fucking chilies in it.
Just one or two.
Which I don't mind, but it's like every single thing I have.
And then I start to feel like stomach pain by like 9pm at night.
Because I'm like, all I've done is put chilies in my body.
And by 1 a.m. you're pissing out of your ass, right?
Yeah. Yeah.
But it's just like so painful.
But it was really good though.
But it's worth.
Every single meal was a was a 10 out of 10.
I mean, I think the spiciest thing, I think I had you eat was probably,
was probably, the noodles, right?
The boat noodles.
Yeah, there's a really good there.
So boat noodles is available.
I have seen boat noodles served outside of Thailand
a lot of times, but God damn, do they not do justice?
See, all these pictures look like ramen.
What the fuck is this?
Yeah. Do they not do justice to the amount of chilies
that is put into it if you just go to a street store?
Okay, I'm curious now because going back to you saying
that you don't think Thai food is the spiciest.
What would you say as a cuisine that is the spicest for you?
Indian.
No.
From what I've had.
Well, maybe South Indian maybe.
Yeah.
Really?
There are some Indian dishes I have.
I have one bite and I'm like, holy fucking...
Sri Lankan food is extremely spicy.
Yes.
I agree with that.
So maybe, maybe that.
I don't know.
Yeah, to me, I eat Thai spice and it's kind of like the fresh kind of spice, you know, it's...
You know what I mean?
You know what I mean?
It's like a refreshing kind of spice.
I had these noodles and they look, by the way, they look nothing like these
pictures. They were literally just like noodles with like one little bit of meat. Yeah.
Because it meant, you said it was meant normally you keep refilling it. Yeah, yeah. So,
so it was 20 Barts per bowl. And I got him the big bowl as well. Normally like the like
15 to 20 bar, which is like half. 70 cents. Yeah, like 70 cents, 50, 50, 70 cents per bowl. And
you can run through about like five or six of those bowls. So good. But they are very spicy.
It was very spicy.
Yeah.
I just woke up and I was like, fuck.
Wake up, Samoa!
But yeah, these are one of my favorite noodle dishes.
Local noodle dishes as well.
We went to the custom area, that was really good too.
Yeah.
But we were in like a, we were like in a fancy resort.
Yeah.
Which is really nice.
It was like what I wanted.
I wanted to go to like an island and just sit there.
But then obviously you're getting like resort food.
Yeah.
And then we're being charged basically US prices.
Out of the ass.
Yeah.
Yeah.
Because all the things are like, you know, their resort.
Yeah, I mean, kind of wanted to just chill out and just, you know,
chill out on a nice resort.
So got some way is like the best place for that, I think.
But it is also the most expensive place in Thailand.
Oh, dude, yeah.
I didn't know how much the room was when I booked it.
Yeah.
It was in Thai money.
I didn't really, I was like, no, okay, sure.
And then when I got there, I was like, oh.
Yeah.
Oh.
Yes.
Oh, that's a lot.
But we went, like, we ate at like a restaurant there and that was really, really, really, well, I say really pricey.
It was just like being in, I guess, L.A.
Mm-hmm.
I mean, yeah.
I mean, we paid, we paid, like, resort prices for these ones.
You can't get, like, more local prices, but.
It's like Barakai equivalent in the Philippines.
It's just become, like, such a tourist spot that they realize that you can pay.
But I also understand why, because it's pretty fucking beautiful.
It's, dude.
It looks fucking sick in these pictures.
It's, like, awesome.
Yeah.
Look at that water, bro.
Damn.
Yeah.
It was not busy at all.
It was not busy.
Nobody wants to be there in summer.
Oh, yeah.
So it was awesome.
Like, we went to like the pool, the hotel.
It was awesome.
You didn't go on the beach?
No, no, no.
Oh my God.
We went to the beach and I was like walking in.
And then they had like paddle boards and stuff.
I was like, hey, can I paddle board?
He's like, no, he's like, no, he's like, no.
It's too, it's too low.
Right.
I was like, well, I'll just go out further.
And so I started walking.
And then remember, we were walking for like five minutes out.
to the ocean, it wasn't getting any deeper.
And it was still up to my ankles.
And I was like, what the fuck is this?
That happened to me in Barak, I was.
So I gave up, because I was so ridiculously far up.
And I was like, this is ridiculous,
because if I actually get in the water,
I'm like, and I get to where it gets deep.
I don't know where that is, by the way.
Yeah.
It's like, I have to climb over so many rocks
to get to anywhere that will get below my waist.
And at this point, I got to a point.
It usually is like a sudden dip off.
Yeah, and I was like,
this is kind of dangerous now,
because I've had to climb over so many rocks,
just to get my waist wet,
and I'm like, I'm just going to go to the pool.
Yeah, fairly.
And then the pool had a bar.
I was like, let's just chill in the fucking pool bar and check out.
I took him island hopping as well.
That was really fun.
We went snorkeling.
Nice.
Hell yeah.
Oh, we were jet skiing.
That was fun.
Oh, I took joint.
Connor's never been on the jet ski.
I don't, yeah.
But you're white.
In the UK, we don't really have jetsky.
It's more of a white American.
Fair enough.
And I owed it to my white heritage to go on a jet ski.
You are now officially sort of.
modified wide now that you've been on a jet ski.
It was pricey because you were in a tourist area.
So I think it was like a hundred bucks for like,
no it wasn't. It was like 70 bucks for like 20 minutes.
Jesus. So it is pricey.
For the boat for us, yeah.
Yeah. But it was, it was sick.
I didn't realize how fast they go.
Yeah. I maxed that boy out. It was going 80 kilometers an hour.
Fucking out. And I was like, if there is a slight wave, I'm dead.
Yeah.
But I'm fucking sending it. It was sick.
We, the first thing, so we go to like the, go to the, the guy, the instructor, the guy who's,
gives us a jet ski.
And he's just like, yeah, be careful
about being too close to each other
because jet skis, they don't have breaks.
And I'm like, yeah, it makes sense.
I'm like, you know, logically.
You can't break on the water.
Logically, it makes sense, right?
So there was like one moment where
me and Connor were taking the jet skis
around the island.
And there's one moment where I, you know,
I knew not to get too close to Connor,
but also when your mind is on water,
you're like, I can go as fast as that one.
Yeah, yeah.
I know it's not safe, but something in like your primal brain is just like, how fast my
go? I'm going to like 30 miles an hour. I look down, it's like 60 kilometers an hour or some
shit like that, man. And then Connor, I'm like, I'm like, fair enough away from Connor
that I can, that I see what he's doing. But he takes one like sharp turn and I have this
moment where I'm like, if I continue going, I'm going to crash into him and I have no way to
like stop the momentum that I'm going right now. So I have to pray.
that I turn a different direction
from where he decides to go or we're fucked.
And after that, like, mini scare,
I was like, all right, I'm just going to go
the opposite direction of you, Ghana.
I'm going to be nowhere fucking near.
Yeah, I don't want to take that risk.
I was trying to catch up to Garn,
and I realized very quickly that when I'm behind him,
obviously, he makes ripples.
But the ripples when you're going, like, 70 kilometers an hour
are, like, hitting fucking rocks.
So I was like, oh, my God, I had to stop.
I was like, I got to get away from him.
This is fucked.
I'm actually going to die.
It was really fun there.
It was awesome.
Hell yeah, dude.
And I got to tell the story.
One night, in my room, because I booked this ridiculous room,
I had like a really cool table outside.
And in the hotel, they were like, hey, if you want,
we can do a barbecue in your room.
So.
Inside the room.
Well, they do it outside.
Oh, right.
On the balcony.
Right, right.
And I was like, that's a fucking vibe.
Yeah.
That sounds awesome.
I would love that.
Yeah.
So we were sitting outside eating
and within about like 30 minutes
we were getting absolutely
fucking killed by flies.
So we were like,
maybe we need to do something else.
So we,
anyway,
then we sat inside
and then we'd come out
or we could like,
we'd get the food.
We were like,
I'm so sorry.
Um,
so we're chilling.
And I guess when I called them up,
okay,
I said,
I should tell us in a different order.
We started eating and we got our starters.
and right away I was like, damn,
this is like pretty fucking generous.
There's a lot of food in the starters.
Like, there was like,
they'd give two of everything for us
and each of it was like quite a lot.
And I was like, okay.
So I was like, fuck it.
Well, I got to eat everything.
So I ate everything in the starters.
And he went for all the bread.
All just immediately just down, just like.
They gave us a bunch of bread right away.
And I was like, I got to eat it all.
So I ate it all.
And then the next course came out.
And it was like pretty, pretty a lot of food.
and then they were like,
oh, the next starter's coming out.
I'm like, I'm getting full.
The next starter.
And I asked like, how many mains are that?
He's like, oh, that's like five.
I was like,
holy fuck.
How many, how much amount of food did you eat?
So then, then we got our like next course,
which was like, I forgot what it was.
It was like, uh, maybe it was like seafood.
It was a bunch of seafood.
It was a ton of seafood.
Like two whole squids.
Yeah.
Like eight river prawns.
Yep.
And then it was like literally a whole chicken.
Then it was like...
They served us the entire seafood market.
It's like they went to the market
and they looked at one of the stalls.
They were like, all right, everything on that stall.
And then they would bring a big bowl of salads.
And I was like, oh, no.
And then they were bringing more food.
I was like, just just curious,
how many courses left?
They were like three.
And we were like barely made a dent
on all the food we had.
Yeah.
And I was like,
are you sure I ordered the right thing?
Because I told them.
I was like,
hey,
we have like three people.
I need enough food for three.
They're like,
yeah,
this is the right amount.
Yeah.
Like this is what we were charged for three people.
And so I felt scammed because it was way too much.
It was like absolutely over what you would give that amount of people.
Yeah.
And I was like,
you are setting me up to fail because I'm a fat ass and I cannot eat all this.
This is.
shit.
They're limit testing you, bro.
It's like the one time in a resort where I was like, whoa,
whoa, whoa, this is too much.
And we're eating this food.
And we're eating like the squid and Gantt runs out of the seafood source,
the Thai one.
Yeah.
God.
God goes, sorry, I hate to ask.
Is that like, do you have any more of the seafood sauce?
Yeah.
And they're like, oh, okay, we'll ask.
I assume.
And I was like, God, I have some right here.
After I already asked, he'd already asked.
Go ahead, God.
Go ahead, God.
So I assume, right?
I assumed that, you know, the chef is right there.
They probably have like a bunch of seafood sauce there.
I love the seafood sauce.
Yeah, yeah.
So I was like, I was like, just casually, just like, oh, can I just have some more, please?
You know, maybe, maybe got more, maybe brought more with you.
Sure.
So I was like, I didn't think much of it.
Connor, obviously, I didn't, he had some spare.
He was like, take some of mine.
And that was more than enough for what I was looking for.
I didn't know that they didn't have.
And so they sent, I felt so bad about this.
They sent the poor guy who was like serving us.
He had to, the reception was far away enough,
because the resort, this was the kind of resort
where we had like a bunch of huts by like the, by like the beach.
But the reception was all the way on the other side.
Sure. Right.
So it was one of those places where you had to take,
where you either had to walk like, like,
Like a golf caddy or something.
Yeah, like a golf caddy all the way to the other side just to go to the reception
because the accommodation was in a different area.
I didn't realize that I'd sent this poor guy on the other side of fucking Kotsamui,
apparently for like, for like 15 minutes to just get me like one bowl of seafood sauce.
You came back like panting, sweating.
So I brought you the seafood sauce. I'm so sorry. I was late.
It was ridiculous.
It's ridiculous.
And he comes back and this was the time
when me and Connor were just fucking dying of like fullness.
He comes back and he goes, sir, I've brought you your seafood sauce
and I'm just like, I'm so sorry.
I did realize, I thought, this was like five courses ago, Brad.
Yeah, we finished out meal 20 minutes ago.
Yes.
We had so much food.
Wait, so what, so like what happened?
Is that just like par for the course?
Or did you guys like miss order?
I don't know because like I, I, it was like, it was, it was expensive, like the, the barbecue.
And it was, it was really good.
Like, it was amazing.
Yeah, that's fantastic.
And I appreciate the service of the, the hotel.
They did the great job.
Yeah.
But they scammed me.
They told me that would be enough.
Like, that was the amount for the three people.
Right.
So this is, I mean, one thing about Southeast Asia is that you're never going to go,
you're never going to go, you're never going to go out hungry.
Yeah.
And, you know, we say.
We said the term courses.
It wasn't really courses.
Because the term courses implies that this was
like some kind of like Michelin-star restaurants.
It was just a guy with the grill.
Yeah, it was a guy with a grill.
The courses was the next slab of whatever meat
he was putting on the grill.
Right, right.
And it was just, yeah, barbecue by the beach.
It was just far too much, far too much food.
They got the, yeah, the entire fucking food market.
That's so funny.
But it was delicious.
chunk of it. And I was like, I'm a fat ass, so I'm shocked that I couldn't finish all this.
Yeah. So I don't know who this is for. Maybe like Joey Chestnut and Matt Stoney exclusively
prior to us. Yeah. Because I don't know. But hey, I mean, we made a good dent in it.
I knew we were in trouble though when two whole squids came out. I was like, oh no, that's a lot
of squid. It's really good squid though, actually. I'm not a big squid guy, but it was really good.
Yeah. You ate the whole cast of the fucking little movie. We did. We did. And finding Nemo and finding Dory as
It was multiple Pixar films all in one.
Oh yeah, and a whole fish came out too.
And a whole fish came out.
Oh my God.
Jesus Christ.
Yeah, a whole sea bass came out.
Fucking hell.
Could you imagine you've had like so much fish
and they bring out a whole chicken for three people?
Oh, they did bring out a whole chicken as well.
That when that chicken came out, that was like a horror movie.
They said that was enough for three people.
They brought out a whole chicken off the seafood course and this-
A whole chicken, Joey.
And we're staring at this.
chicken. And it's not a chicken piece. It's a, it's just a chicken. A full chicken. A whole chicken.
When I told them, I was like, I might not be able to finish this. They were shocked. I was like,
you don't have the right to be shocked. They, they looked at us. They looked at us. They looked,
dead ass looked at us in the eye. And I'm like, you can't feel this is chicken. And I'm like,
con, kind of, con, con, I was like, no. And I'm like, um, so we got steak coming as well.
I literally mean you can't finish these 12,000 calories.
I genuinely ate half a chicken.
I felt disgusted.
Like, and this is on top of eating like eight months,
like, I think I had like four monstrous prawns,
Gantz-alting, eating a whole squid.
Yeah.
Like, we're all like, I fucking blew my load on the starters.
And we're, and like, we, you know, we're in that fucking,
we're in that fucking bronze lobby
where we're fucking trying to carry Sydney with us.
Oh, dude, Sydney was not helping at all.
Sydney, Sydney was done after starters, by the way.
I was actually annoyed at Sydney.
I was like, two prawns, and it's like, I've done my job.
Sydney had like four olives and was out.
I was like, Sydney, look at what's in front of us.
I would normally be okay with you stepping out
because I'll step in, but I need the whole thing here right now, Sydney.
Yeah, I think, you know, I was like, I know where this is going.
It was the bread. It was, it was the bread.
The bread was delicious, but you...
It was fake.
I altered.
You ate my bread.
You ate Sydney's bread, and then the prawns came out,
and then the crabs came out, and then the squid came out.
And then the chicken came out, and then the salad came out,
and then the...
Two salads.
Two salads.
Two salads.
And then two desserts.
Two desserts.
Oh, my God.
So if you want to be morbidly obese, I recommend the barbecue there.
Okay.
All right, just, if you want to be morbidly obese, go to South East Asia.
Yeah, just in general.
Because I've realized this, taking corner around.
And you know how in England, or maybe Australia, you know, yeah, no, actually, you have more to do in Australia.
But in England, if you don't drink, you lose like half of the things.
that people would do in England.
Right.
I mean, same thing in Australia.
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
It's like, what'd you do?
What did you do fun in Australia?
Oh, you know, you fucking go out, go to the pub, get a pint, right?
I realize it's exactly the same in Southeast Asia,
except it's with food.
Yes.
Right?
Honda.
It's like, I, like, the spots that I take Conner to is,
you go, I realize why people go to tourist spots, right?
And why people hang out in tourist spots.
People go to tourist spots so that they don't have to eat.
as like an in-between from their meals.
That's not the main thing to do.
It's to walk off all the food.
I think a lot of people, they do the one touristy thing
to warrant the drinking.
No, well, no, but in Southeast Asia,
it's so that you have some time to not eat
and burn off the calories that you are about to consume.
That's why I'm so glad, like, when I went to Malaysia,
we did so much fucking, like, just sightseeing and shit.
Because even with all the sightseeing I did,
I still ate like five meals a day
and eating, packing away like 3,000.
calories, like it was nothing. Yeah, I mean, I work out more on vacation than I do any other time
because I just need to kill time between lunch and breakfast. So, and then I'm in there for like three
hours, just like, because I love it. It's awesome. There's no pressure. So, yeah, see, that's my
working. My working out is just, like, walking around. I stayed in like this resort in Vietnam as well.
Yeah, how's Vietnam? Because, yeah, after that. Where'd you go in Vietnam, Hanoy? Ho Chi Minh.
Oh, Ho Chi Minh. So I stayed like really far out. It was like up.
River. I stayed in this like jungle place. It was it was really like cool like looking like it was
literally in a jungle. Oh, sick. And there was no AC. Yeah. So that I booked like yeah. I was like,
fuck it, I'll do an all inclusive. Because sometimes I get scared about doing an all inclusive because
I'm like, what if the restaurant's mid? What if I don't really like the food and I'm kind of locked in?
And then, you know, because we stayed in, when we stayed in Kosoamui, we didn't have anything included.
And then you feel bad because like everything is like extra.
Yeah.
And you're like, I'm getting scamp.
Yeah.
But then it's almost worse because every single time I stayed at resort, I need to go to, I need to, someone needs to tell me where to go on good resorts.
They always like, ho you.
They're like, well, this is included in your package.
But the thing you want is in the extra.
If you want the extra, you know, cough up.
Right.
Right.
Yeah.
I usually never take like breakfast.
textures or anything like that. Yeah. Yeah, I usually, I'm just like, give me the room.
Well, I booked the everything in because I was like, fuck it. I want to, I want to work out.
I want to just chill. I want to play Slay the Spire. Sure. I want to just relax.
So I got that. And then I, the first couple of dishes I had were like really good. And then I
realized, uh, it kind of went through most of the menu day one. And then day two, I was like,
so, because it's lunch and dinner in the same restaurants. One restaurant.
I was like, do you have any other restaurants?
They were like, no.
I was like, okay.
So I'm going to eat the same thing,
which I didn't mind,
but I was kind of excited to try.
Yeah, different stuff.
That's my bad.
I should have checked,
but I was like,
all right, guys,
let's run it back.
Let's go.
Give me my 17th barmeas.
They didn't even have barmees in that place.
Oh, yeah,
because that's more like a street food.
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
I kept eating,
uh,
uh,
Pan,
Pan,
Benginius or something, the fish.
Oh, oh.
I was spamming this, like,
all, every dish I got had that in it.
Yeah, yeah, yeah. Everything was really
good, though. Everything I had was really, really good. It was nice.
But I was getting fucking murdered by bugs
because the restaurant was like, okay,
it's in like a jungle hut. Yeah, right?
So there's no windows or no walls or anything.
So you're just eating with like a fan. And that's fine.
But the fucking flies.
That's peak. That's just eating with the fan.
I mean, I liked it. And it was great. And like,
I was drinking my Saigon,
special beer.
Yeah.
It was great and the food was awesome.
But like after about two hours of sitting there, I was like, I gotta leave.
Like I need to go back to my room where there's AC.
Like I was, I was like, it's like a buildup.
Yeah.
I'm like getting to the point now where I'm like, the beer isn't helping anymore.
I need to leave.
I need to.
And I'm getting, I got like fucked by bugs.
I got absolutely chewed.
Like all the mozzies and shit.
Fucking loads of them were chewing me out.
I was getting fucked by them.
And I was like, damn, is this the Southeast Asia experience?
Yes.
Yep.
100%.
That is the Southeast Asia experience.
But it's really cool, though, and one night, because it was next to, like, a river as well.
Like, one night, a bunch of, like, lanterns were in the river.
Oh, yeah.
I didn't really fully understand what's going on.
That was really good.
And then I moved to Ho Chi Minh City, and I stayed in, like, the, I stayed in, like, the tallest
building.
Yeah.
In Vin.
Vinland, 81 or something.
That was so sick.
Literally, it towers over the entire city.
and it is so cool being in there.
And the gym is on like the 50th floor,
which is higher than like any of the building near you.
Landmarked 81, that's the way.
Yeah.
So you're like,
so my room was on like the 65th floor or something.
Right.
And it was crazy.
And you're working out.
I do remember seeing this building, yeah.
Working out in the gym and I got a view of literally all of Hocam in.
I was like, this is so sick.
Yeah.
And they were really cool.
Stayed there.
That was nice.
What else?
The power went out one night.
This is great.
He's getting the peak southeast.
This is peak.
I was chilling.
Everything went out.
And I was like,
oh,
all right.
And I was like,
I wonder if they're going to like
make an announcement,
but I guess there's no electricity.
So maybe not.
And then like it came back on two hours later.
But I was like,
what happened?
I don't really understand what happened.
It just happened sometimes.
Just see things.
Yeah.
It was cool. And then like the mall beneath this had like an ice skating ring in it.
I was like, that's fucking cool.
Interesting.
Went to Family Mart.
Dude, can I just say, like there's some of the stuff in there looks so much better than Japanese stuff.
Yeah.
Also, they had actual protein shakes, not this bullshit, like joke Japanese ones where they have like 10 grams or 15 grams.
Or you can get 30, but you have to drink it from the giant fucking cotton that's like 500 calories.
It's like, I just want a fuck ton of protein in a drink.
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
But I was really impressed my convenience stores, that too.
Span barn maze.
I had like three a day.
Oh, my God.
Because I wanted to try a bunch.
And I went to like the tourist trap one first to get the baseline.
And then I went to a bunch of just like random ones on a stall.
Yeah.
And I asked the hotel person, I was like, can you recommend me?
You know, where would you get a good barmeet?
And then she immediately wrote down the tourist one.
I was like, I was like the fucking Vinceman man.
Yeah.
I was like, no, no, no, no, I won't do.
I've already been there.
Give me the local one.
I said, give me a one that you would go to.
Yeah.
And then she wrote one down.
And she's pretty like, leave me alone.
Why is this white guy asking?
So she wrote me one.
And on Google, it was like a pin when I typed in the address.
There's no store.
And I was like, oh, here we go.
Yes.
Hell yeah.
Finally.
This is what I'm looking for.
I don't want a Google ad maps rated one.
I want something that like barely is there half the time.
And so I'm walking to it and Google is convinced that I can walk on this road, but I don't think I can because I'm literally like walking through traffic like fucking Magneto stopping these cars like for like five minutes walking into traffic. And I'm like, there's no sidewalk or anything. But Google is convinced I can walk here. And I was like, am I really allowed to walk down this road? And I see as I'm walking, there's someone behind me also doing it. I'm like, okay, either they're following me and they're sorely mistaken or they know what they're doing.
Yeah.
Anyway, I've just toughed it out.
And I was like, I'll be fine.
Yeah.
Dripping and fucking sweats.
It's like 35 degrees.
Yeah.
Finally get to this Barnmeet place.
And it's literally just a cart in the side of like,
those are the best.
This, yeah, like random.
That's the real place.
And every picture was sunbleached to shit on this car.
Oh, yeah.
I was like, I was like, I'm home.
Like, I couldn't even make out with the image.
And I knew I was in for a treat when the, there was like three things that were listed.
And I was like, okay, they specialize.
I'm in.
And the bun me had like,
it was like 15,000 dong
to 25,000 dong.
I was like,
what does it even mean?
How could it vary?
Is it like,
is it the,
depends on how I feel that day.
I love this.
I'm already so down for this.
That we have like,
we've got like a Burger King
like kind of like racial profiling price menu.
Like they just vibe it.
It's like,
oh,
I'll do 17.
You bet I got the fucking high end.
I didn't mind.
I was like,
charge me the higher.
Yeah,
because it's still probably like,
three box right.
It was 25,000 dong at this car,
which is like what?
I think it's like a dollar.
Yeah.
And dude,
she's like fucking cooking up a storm.
Health and safety is questionable,
but that's how I know it's going to taste amazing.
Yes.
So I get handed this thing.
It's fucking beautiful.
And she,
first of all,
she panics and checks if I like chilies.
And I'm like,
all good.
And then I'm about to eat it standing because I don't know where the fuck to go
eat this because it's like,
and then she's like,
no, no, no.
And she's out of the car.
Like,
Captain America bringing out shield.
She brings out this little like kid,
red plastic chair.
She's like, no, please take a sit on the throne.
You are a customer.
So I sit on this fucking like tiny ass red little.
I don't know if the student can ban my weight.
First of all.
The kindergarten chairs.
I don't know if it's got it in it.
But I sit down eagerly anywhere and I'm sitting down pouring and sweat.
And I take one bite of this band me and it's like,
it was worth it
It was amazing
It was so good
I think the
The tourist chap one
Actually might have tasted
I think more
More complex
I mean it had like
Way more meats going on
But this one was like
A
Like the perfect
Yeah you got the authentic one
Yeah
Yeah I loved it
I just love patte
Pate's so good
Yeah
So it was fucking phenomenal
And then I had
A lot of fur
But you know
Man
Maybe I think I just
prefer the more intense flavors of like ramen over fur.
I did add like,
because obviously when you get fur,
you always get the, you always get the oyster sauce,
the hoistin sauce.
Is it oyster sauce or hoistin sauce?
The brown one that comes in.
I think it's oyster.
Oyster sauce, I think.
And then you get the syracia,
you get the chilies, the lines.
And I have to like add a lot of that
to get it to where I kind of like
want the flavor profile to be.
But I, yeah, and I feel like living in Asia,
yeah, noodles.
We have a lot of noodles.
I'm okay.
But like the bound me is like,
that's special.
Yeah, I think I only had,
once when I was in Vietnam
because I was just like, I can kind of get this
anywhere and like, yeah, obviously
it tasted good, but it's just like, if I'm gonna be in Vietnam,
I might as well try shit that I can't really get anywhere else.
Yeah, I saw it more as a dish that we meant to like
refresh me in a really intense song.
Yeah, I will say when I got far in Vietnam,
I was like deadly hungover.
And it was like, it was exactly what I needed.
It was like not too heavy.
Yeah, kind of like lighter, very refreshing.
Totally.
I went to the War Museum as well.
Oh, you did?
Did you go there?
I did go there.
And in Ho Chi Minh?
Yeah.
I couldn't believe that they had all this merchandise line around.
They had tanks and planes.
Yeah.
And I was like, there's no way that they like just had these line around.
But it turns out, I was curious how the fuck they had these American planes.
Yeah.
And I assumed maybe like when, you know, obviously when they left, they just left things.
Yeah, yeah.
It was apparently, I guess the planes and stuff that they'd given to the South Vietnam,
they had just like put American decals.
Oh, really?
were actually American planes that didn't have them on there.
And then they put it on there just for the final kind of,
yeah, right.
It was pretty cool, but like, yeah.
Pretty fucking depressing.
Oh, my God.
The fucking, the floor with like all the Asian orange shit.
Dude.
That fucked me up.
I got recognized.
In there.
No way.
While I was in there.
Wow.
Brian from India recognized me.
And he's like, hey, Kahneman, what's up?
I was like, yeah, dude.
He's like, I didn't expect to meet you here.
I was like, yeah, I didn't expect you recognized him.
Agent Orange display.
I say there's like multiple deformed children.
Yeah, some of the most horrifying imagery on the walls.
And he's, you know, we're chatting.
He's really nice.
And I'm, he's like, hey, do you want to get a pick?
I was like, yeah, maybe we should do it outside.
Step outside.
Because you imagine just making me going like this.
And it's just like, deformed babies behind me.
Oh.
With my boy.
Yeah, yeah.
Yeah, really cool.
I really enjoyed the photographer, the photographer museum.
There's a section dedicated to the war photographers.
Really, really cool and interesting.
Yeah, super interesting.
That was definitely, I think, my most, I thought was interesting.
These pictures were so compelling, obviously, powerful.
I nearly clogged the toilet there, though, and then you see him.
Down.
It has been zero days.
Which felt like it was like some kind of cosmic, like, weird way of the universe
trying to make some kind of sick joke on me committing like a war crime in the Vietnamese War Museum
of me nearly fucking blocking the toilet.
And I'm like, I'm like desperately trying to get this fucking thing to flush.
And I feel like they designed this toilet.
to do this to American tourists to scare them
for like to fuck with them.
Yeah.
And luckily after
five minutes of like doing that
where you wait for the toilet to like charge up.
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
And then you fucking give it a proper yank.
Yeah.
Like trying to get the fucking flush to take.
Yeah.
Finally fucking took.
So thank you.
He's War Museum toilet.
And then while I was sitting there,
I was sitting in the fucking lobby.
I told this story on stream,
but I was sitting there
and, you know,
because I'm just fucking nearly committed
to the war crime in the toilet,
been through this Agent Orange,
seen all these horrific war crimes.
It's one of the most depressing museums
I've been to.
And I'm sitting there like, fuck.
And it's fucking boiling and shit.
And all the museums inside do have AC,
but not enough for the amount of people in there.
So I'm dying.
I need a moment.
So sitting down and immediately a guy comes up to me
who has no arms.
arms. Okay, you gotta tell me this, by the way.
Yeah. He's like, he puts his arm out to like, uh, like this. Yeah. And he's like,
give me a fist bump. And I was like, is that the etiquette? Do I, do I fist bump?
Is it, what is the etiquette? Yeah, it's like, where is your fist?
Do you what? I was like, I can't go like, Albert, that's insulting.
Mommy! Like, that's too far. But I guess I had, so I awkwardly,
fist bumped him because that's what he told me to do.
And I was like, sure, I didn't, you know, I didn't want to fend.
I think sounds like a skit.
It's going to get worse.
So I'm sitting there and, you know, he's like, he's like, yeah, he's like, where
you from, man?
I was like, oh, from the UK.
He's like, oh, UK, what did you think of the museum?
I was like, oh, it was really interesting.
Yeah.
And I wasn't, I had no idea who this guy was.
Was this like a Vietnamese guy or?
Vindamese guy.
Right.
I had no idea who he was.
I'm sitting there and he's like, yeah, so, you know, and he shows
his legs, he doesn't have any legs.
Oh.
prosthetics.
Right.
And he's like, yeah, I just, you know, if, if you could just do me a favor, you know, I'd really
appreciate some money.
And I was like, oh, I mean, okay, sure.
Like, whatever.
Whatever.
I'll give you some money.
And he's like, okay, but you got to take these books.
I was like, okay.
So he whips out as like satchel and he gets these books out.
Fair play, I didn't even fucking see how he did this.
He did it so quick.
It was impressive.
Yeah, I was about to ask how the fucking.
Did he open that?
He whipped out a satchel, pulled two books out, pulled out a little bag.
With what?
With his, with his arms.
It was actually really fucking impressive.
I'm trying to imagine the logistics of that.
No, he was good with it.
He was quick with it.
I was like, kind of impressed.
You know, I was like, that's, I was like, damn, okay.
Anyway, he gets these books out and he's like, take the books.
And, you know, the books, there's like four books, and they have these covers of like,
murder children on them.
And I was like, I didn't want to carry this.
I was like, dude, I'll give you the money.
you can keep the books.
I don't want the books.
He's like, no, no, you got to take the books.
You got to take the books.
Please.
I was like, no, I don't want the books.
Because I'm going to throw them away.
I don't want the books.
So please keep them.
Because maybe you can sell them to someone else.
Whatever it is.
Give it to someone who actually wants it.
Yeah, I was like, I don't want these books.
And I also, there was some price on them.
I couldn't see what the price was.
So I was like, how about I just give you the money and you keep the books?
Yeah.
And he goes, I don't know.
Look.
He's like this.
He's doing it like this.
He's gesturing, like his eyes are like trying to signal something up and behind him.
Right.
And there's a camera there.
And I'm like, what's going on here?
He's like, no, no, like I have to sell you the books.
Otherwise, I'll get in trouble.
And I was like, well, I don't, I don't want the books.
How about I just give you the money?
And we just do this like sneaky.
Yeah.
No, no, no, no, no.
I want the books.
And then he points to this other woman.
He's like, she'll, she'll agree that you, so still say that you stole the books from me.
So you need to you need to pay me now or she'll rat on you.
And I was I was like, what?
What are you saying?
I was like, okay.
I mean, bitch, I was going to give you money.
Why you tell me this shit?
I was like, all I don't want is the fucking books.
I'll give you the money.
This is like a Mr. Beast challenge.
Don't give me the books.
I give you money.
It's not hard.
So I'm losing my mind because I'm like,
I don't understand how this conversation has gone to this point.
And this woman's like looking at me like this.
And I'm like,
Anyway, so this is going on
And I'm like, okay, well look, let me tell you this
How about I just give you?
I've got like, I got like 10,000 don't.
I just give you that.
It's like a dollar.
I don't know how much it is.
I can say less.
He's like, no, no, no.
I want British pounds.
I was like, okay.
Now I was like, I'm sorry, what?
You want British pounds.
You know, now you're,
the VME's dong is not good enough for you.
He's like, you want pounds.
And I was like,
Well, actually, I live in Japan, so I don't have, I don't have British pounds on me.
He's like, I'll take yen. I was like, okay, this is ridiculous.
Yeah.
Also, I don't have the yen on me.
Yeah.
I'm not giving you yen.
What the fuck are you talking about?
What are you going to do with yen?
Are you going to, you're going to fucking Japan?
What are you talking about?
You want yen?
No, I don't have yen.
Take the fucking Vietnamese start.
And I'm looking at this girl and she's like still looking at this whole interaction going on.
And I'm like, and I see this, like, she's got like something over here.
I'm like, do you have the books?
And she looks at me.
She goes, yeah, I've been trying to give them back.
So she got scared.
And she was an Aussie.
And she's like, yeah, I really didn't feel good about it.
She got out with the books.
I was like, dude, what the hell is this?
Jesus Christ.
And I was like, well, guys, I hate to be a bother.
I'm going to leave now because I don't like what's happening here.
This is weird.
I was gonna give you the money, like, no worries.
Maybe I should, maybe I shouldn't.
I don't know what the fucking etiquette or the rule is or whatever,
but I was like, yeah, I'm good.
I don't want to be involved in this anymore.
This is weird.
I was, I was having fun, long for the ride.
What even were these books?
They were like history.
History books about like Vietnam War.
Like pamphlets and shit?
No, just like full on books.
They were pretty big, which I didn't want them.
Right.
Because I was like, I don't want to carry this shit.
Yeah.
So clearly he would have been arrested or something
if he was like soliciting donations.
Scaming.
Or maybe something else.
I don't know.
I'm not privy.
Whatever it was,
it was weird that he's bringing,
giving people books.
Well, I think he probably would have been,
I imagine he would have been like kicked out
or arrested if he was soliciting donations.
Yeah.
Because that's normally how it goes in this thing.
So maybe if he's selling it's legal, I don't,
I can't imagine selling would be okay either, though,
because there's a gift store there.
Yeah.
On premises as well.
So I don't know. It's all very odd. But, you know, when the scammers try to talk to you in any of these countries, I'm in it for the love of the game. I love hearing what their pictures. I know. I know I'm obviously being scammed. Oh, hold on. Hold on. What's this? In the scam, interesting with the war museum and let up Vietnam perspective. Entrance of, okay, not. Yeah, that's not. That's something else. That's something else. Yeah. More importantly, though, Connor, did you drink egg coffee? Yeah, did you have the air coffee? Dude, so I'd never heard of egg coffee. No one told me about this before. I told you. I told you. I told you.
you about it. And I had it.
What the fuck?
Nobody talked about this on the podcast.
Nobody of value has spoken
to you. What the hell? We both
mentioned this on the podcast. So
I totally forgotten it, right? So I'm looking
at this menu and I see egg coffee on it
and I ask her, I'm like, what's egg coffee? She was like,
well, we whipped the cream,
the yolk into a
shrink. And I was like, say no more.
And she goes, it's not included in the all inclusive
package. I was like,
I was like, well, I'll give it to me anyway.
Yeah, I'll pay it. I'll pay it because I want this coffee.
Yeah.
And so I got it and I was like, damn, damn, this shit's good.
You know, it's funny because I think condensed milk has a really different sweetness profile to just sugar.
Yeah.
That is really, really nice and goes so well with like the bitterness of coffee.
And yeah, egg coffee was a 10 out of 10.
Yeah.
Yeah.
I was spamming Vietnamese coffee.
I genuinely think one day I had like eight of them.
Yeah, I had like one of the days we're in like Hoy-Anne.
and I think I had like six egg coffees.
Shit fucked up my stomach, though.
I won't lie.
I can have like one or two egg coffees at most.
It's, uh, but it's fucking fantastic.
So good.
But my God.
I was fucking going through it.
Yes.
But I couldn't stop.
Yeah.
Everywhere I went, they had Viamese coffee.
And I was like, yeah, again.
Just one cup.
Honestly, that might have, that and the barmeer were the two highlights,
Vimy's coffee.
Yeah.
And Bami was really, really good.
I went to this chain that seemed to be everywhere.
It was like the legend coffee.
and I won't lie, it was okay.
Every coffee I had that was God tier,
which is a random fucking stall again.
That's usually how it is.
I think what I learned from Vietnam,
because I asked a lot of people who are Vietnamese friends that I had,
I was like, are there any good, like, sit-down restaurants?
I was just wanted to know, like,
I really want to have, like, a cool dining experience
in between all the street food.
And they were like, I'm going to be rude with you, Connor?
No.
It is, you need to, all the best places of, like, casual or street food.
Yeah.
So just do that.
And I was like, okay, cool.
But I did go to a buffet because there seemed to be a lot of buffets, weirdly.
Really?
And Eugene and a couple of other friends also recommended buffets.
Oh.
I guess it turns out there's a lot of buffets in Vietnam and Ho Chi Minh.
Oh, okay.
And people seem to well regard.
I did not go to a buffet.
Yeah, I don't know.
For some reason, a lot of my Vietnamese friends recommended buffets.
I was like, at first one, they recommended it.
I was like, are you serious?
A buffet?
So I went to it.
It was fucking ridiculous.
It was insane. Unlimited lobster.
Jesus.
It was ridiculous.
What was the price for Angelou?
I think it was like 30 bucks.
Oh, okay.
35 bucks.
Very expensive for Vietnamese.
Yeah, for Vietnam is expensive.
For everyone else it's cheap as shit.
Everyone else who was there was dressed very nicely.
I was not.
I didn't really understand.
So I went in and it was awesome.
It was like unlimited seafood.
They had everything.
They had the fish sauce.
So it was like unlimited lobster, unlimited shrimp.
Yeah.
They had like a wagyu beef fustation.
It was incredible.
This buffet, I'd never seen anything like this before.
It was like exceptional.
And they had like crab tacos.
They also had one British food.
They had cottage pie randomly tucked away in a corner.
I tried it.
It was pretty good.
It was really good.
And Vimy's beer is also fire.
Yeah, I like Vienn M's beer.
I was telling you.
Yeah, type beer I was kind of.
I was like, I'm impressed by.
But Vimmy's beer is pretty damn good.
Yeah, I remember.
Every beer I had, I was like, this is a good fucking beer.
And I went to Kraft Beer places.
It was good fucking beer, too.
When we were in Hojima, we went to a craft beer place.
Which place you go to?
Oh, it's in my Google map.
Which district?
I went to this place.
Maybe if there's any people from Hoagerman could tell me.
What was it called?
It was called like pastures, pastures or something I went.
Was it outside?
It was like a rooftop.
Okay.
Mine was on like the first floor.
Yeah, mine was on the first floor as well.
But yeah, because like, we walked in because my
dad found it and he was just like, what do you think craft beer and Vietnam would taste like?
No, it's fucking great. It's right now. We were like, this is actually good shit.
Like, going to Vietnam, I was surprised because like, I'm used to like Thai beer and Thai craft beer as well.
And it's just like, it's, it's, they're still learning. But I was like, damn, Vietnam is like.
They figured it out. Yeah, they, they have, they are, they figured it out. You know that like one
Instagram sound where it's like, da, nah, like, when they're like something like amazing happens.
No.
Oh, yeah, okay, yeah.
When I ordered the pint, and it was an actual British pint that came out,
that was the, like, noise that played in my head of, like, euphoria.
I was like, it's a fucking real pint.
Holy shit.
I couldn't believe it.
Not these, like, bullshit half-pines.
These fucking American pints, 4-73 milliliters is a scam.
It is not a pint.
A pint is 568 milliliters, and the glass has a weight to it that has this imposing,
just feeling of the pint.
You got to lock in all this.
It's like something special with the boys
is about to unfold when you get a pint.
Not this American one.
It's not really good.
But yeah, overall, I love Vietnam.
I'd love to go back.
I want to go with someone who can help show me around
so I don't get any meals that were like,
I had a couple of dishes that I was like,
I feel like I went to the wrong place.
I think in terms of food as well,
I will say I think Hanoi has better food than Hocchimin.
So I think next time you should definitely go check out Hanoi
Hanoi because...
I want to try Hanoi is a dope city.
Because I've already gone to Hocemin as well.
I always forget as well that it's like
I'm there and I just see all the communist stuff and I'm like, oh yeah, I forgot about that.
It's almost like there was a war.
Yeah.
But it doesn't, you know, I mean, I guess because a lot of the economic policies are so,
not communist.
Well, I guess it's like not in your face, right?
It's, yeah, I mean, I don't know.
I mean, they're like, uh, slowly more like socialist, I guess in that sense.
Yeah.
But yeah, it's interesting.
Because I'm like, walked in the mall and I saw like the hammer and the sickle.
I was like, oh, shit.
Oh, yeah.
I was like, damn, okay.
And then there's all these posters.
Did you see them all in Hanoi, too?
Not sure.
There's these posters of like the, like,
kid and the military guy.
Oh, yes, yes, I did see that.
I was like, oh, shit.
Okay.
Okay, that's what so.
Damn, all right.
I'm glad you enjoyed it, though.
Yeah, I knew it would.
Sick.
Yeah, that's awesome.
Definitely feels like crazy.
Like, again, the traffic I can never get over.
Yeah.
And Thailand feels horrifically unsafe.
Because no one's wearing helmets.
Yeah.
At least in Vietnam,
everyone wears helmets in Vietnam.
I was like,
that's,
you know,
there's a lot of unsafe things happening
on those roads in Vietnam,
but at least they're wearing helmets.
True.
And I feel like,
why not?
What's the problem with wearing a helmet?
It's easy.
It covers your head.
But it was,
yeah,
it was crazy.
What's nuts is that it seems like
the cars just do what they want
and all the bikes have to,
like, flow around it.
Yeah.
It's like watching, like,
if I put, like,
ice cubes in this glass and they're the car.
Yeah.
And then I pull the water in.
And that's the bikes in Vietnam.
They just take up all the room that is available.
Hanoi is even worse when it comes to the bikes.
Like it's,
it is like,
there were some streets in Hanoi where like you could hear,
like you'd be waiting at,
you know,
the traffic stop or whatever.
And you can just hear this fucking tsunami of bikes just rocking up.
And, you know,
there's probably like one,
maybe two lanes that are like actually written down.
At least like,
five, six scooters in each lane
just like fucking shoulder, like
it was like fucking waiting for like a
Mario cart race to start.
Damn. I fucking love the
bike culture in Vietnam. That's why
actually got me convinced me to get one.
Next time I want to, I want to rent
a scooter. Same. Yeah. My mom didn't let me
I want to do a small bad. She was like
no, you're going to get her. Vietnam special boys? I think I could
become, I could become Vimees.
What?
I think I could. I could. I could fit in.
I think I can fit it.
The only thing I'd struggle with is I think I'd have to slim down
because I'm too fat for the heat right now.
How did you handle the heat?
Oh, not well at all.
I was struggling.
I think the strat is to wear like cover your entire body.
I think I was rocking shorts and t-shirt,
but I think it was not the play
because I'd wear so much sunscreen.
And also the sun on your skin,
I actually think is worse than just wrapping in layers.
Yeah.
It feels like you're burning.
So I think I would just wear like, yeah,
I would, I wish I did something different.
I was, oh, next time, next time.
I am never going to Vietnam in May ever again.
I mean, dude, we went in July and it was even worse.
July's not bad.
I mean, I mean, I, it was like 35, 40 degrees.
You said April's the worst in time.
April's the worst in Thailand.
It was fucked though.
I didn't like it.
It was like the beginning of rain.
It's not exactly rainy season, but it's the beginning of rainy season.
So there are like cool moments in there.
But best time to go is, at least in Thailand, is November to,
February.
Yeah, right.
Everyone was super friendly, though.
Yeah.
Everyone I spoke to was so nice.
And people were really patient,
even though, you know,
obviously I don't speak with me as or Thai.
Everyone was really, really nice.
That's Sea Gang, bro.
Yeah, they're all the nicest people.
Everyone is so fucking chill and so cool.
So yeah.
Yeah, people just chill there.
I highly recommend going.
Hell yeah.
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