Trash Taste Podcast - The 7 Anime That Every Fan NEEDS To Watch | Trash Taste #172

Episode Date: October 6, 2023

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Welcome back to another episode of Trash Tage. I'm Connor. And once again, I'm joined by the boys. Joey Nguyen. Yes, we are doing our last podcast episode in London. We are indeed. Yeah. Sad to be going. This is such a nice set. Yeah. Definitely our most well-produced set. Definitely. Yeah, we've had a lot of well-produced sets, but this one is on another level, I'd say. Yeah, you're going to be sad to go. Oh, my God. Oh, my God. We got everything here. God. Also, you have to share them because we didn't utilize it. You've got to do the wrestling entrance.

Oh, yeah, so there's a... This door can open. There's a door here where I guess can enter from. Wait, let me enter from this. Go on, Joe. I'll do like a little... Yeah, I'll do an intro. All right.

All right. Tell us when you're ready, Joe. Hailing from Australia, it's the man himself from down under it's the anime man. The worst takes in all of Australia He's coming on to defend himself Okay Don't break the same

That's Connor's job That's gonna have insurance guys Yes So since the anime man You're coming on the podcast today We're gonna talk about first time Is this your first time? Yes actually

Is that what we're doing? Yeah, I mean, I thought, so we got some actual, like, interesting questions, I feel, from the VIP sections of, like, our tour. You know, so to explain, in every show we do, we had, like, an hour kind of, like, VIP Q&A. And sometimes you can kind of expect what questions would be asked. I think we had a bet on in the Germany show about how many questions it would take to ask me about my opinions on bread. Because every single show it came out Yeah, yeah But I feel like one interesting question

We actually got was someone actually asked What are the seven wonders of anime And then we started answering it And then we realized that We should probably stop Because we were getting into an argument about it And we had a show to do the next day No, we had a show to you the next hour, sorry

So we were just like Yeah The anime? Are you counting in manga in this Or is it strictly anime? Oh You don't read manga, Connor So why would that play?

Why would that play into your... You fucking a dramatic pause to call me out. You're like, well, Conner, does it fucking matter? Because you're dumb. Why would it, would it affect your eyes on Connor? No. Absolutely, because like if we're talking, if we're including Marga, like berserk is up there.

But if it's not, it's not. Oh, that is sure. You know what it's just anime? We need to clarify that right now for the audience. So they're like, why wasn't this thing on there? It's like, because the marga was... But, okay, here's the thing I've always noticed about the difference between... Give me a yes or a no.

Okay, the answer is no. Okay, okay, good. Have you noticed this about, like, the manga community where no one can agree on what the best anime is? But in terms of, like, the goaded mangars, it's always fucking vagabond, berserk, Finland saga, slam dunk, you know, it's always like the same 10 manga that gets mentioned. That's true. I'm glad that we got that out of the way right now. Yeah.

So no manga, just strictly anime. So number one, hit me out. All right. My hero activity. Shut the fuck up, Connor. Shut the fuck up. Fuck up. Because nothing is united people in hating so much. I just think that...

I thought he was the Dragon Ball fans for the longest time. Okay, okay. Can we get this clear first and foremost? Like, what are the, like, the credentials for it to be considered, like, the seven wonders? Like, does it have to be like... Actually, going beyond anime. What are the actual seven wonders of the world? Can you guys name the seven wonders of the world? One of them is the pyramids.

I'm getting that one right now. Pyramids and he's like Stonehenge. Stonehenge. I don't know. Don't head. Just a fucking wonder. That is not a fucking wonder. Fuck off. Okay.

It's just a pile of rocks. We have the Great Wall of China. Machu Picchu, Taj Mahal. Great Wall of China. Petrol. Of course. This is more than seven. Yeah, that's definitely more than seven.

The new seven wonders of the world? Oh yeah. There's like the old seven wonders of the world and the new seven wonders. You know, the whole seven wonders is fucking dumb, right? Yeah. I prefer Mount Rushmore as an allegory because it's a lot more intense. You see faces. As a wonder?

Well, no, it's like a description. Like, obviously, there's at four of them. Oh, oh, yeah. I thought you'd be like, you're actually Mount Rushwall is the best wonder. I mean, I will say, Mount Rushmore is very impressive how the fuck did they build that.

You know, if you try to do that now, we'd be like, sorry, guys. That's true. I know, the Hidden Leaf Village did it. Kind of better, you know. Yeah, yeah, the Hidden Leafs did it. I can't play. Okay.

Okay, when we say seven wonders, what we mean is like just the seven most greatest or influential. Yeah, we got to get the definition clear, right? Like, are we talking about, like, seven like, you know, influential anime or like commercially viable? Because each of the wonders in our real world, they all do something different. So I think an anime could be up there for being influential, but anime could also be up

that for just being like, just amazing. And maybe one of them is, uh, has done something or inspired a bunch of them. Yeah, I mean, clearly we just searched up seven wonders. Not, not even the internet can figure out what a wonder is. So I guess we just go by. There's an anime news network of seven wonders of anime away. Can we see what they're... The seven wonders of the anime wall.

Oh, they actually... Yeah, they actually just did locations in anime. Okay, that's kind of cool. That's cool idea. But we're not going to do that. We're not going to do that. We do not know locations. Maybe controversial opinion.

I don't think Astro Boy should be on there. Yes, it fucking... Joey, come on. Come on. Are you serious? Yes, yes, I am serious. Okay, I need to hear your reasoning, though. I mean, yeah, kind of like started.

It's like being like, oh, yeah. top 10 film the Citizen Kane number two. It's like, okay, all right, we get it. Okay, we get it. We're not talking about that. We want something exciting. Yeah, no, no one gets excited. So exciting.

Not every wonder of the world is exciting, yes, they all are very exciting. That's the whole point. The point of the seven wonders of the world, at least like my kind of personal definition, is like it's on everyone's like bucket list, right? Of places you need to see before, before you kick the bucket, right?

You don't need to see Astro Boy. Yes, it started anime. influential yada yada yada yada yada grandfather of anime who is fucking watch astro boy joey who shut the fuck up joey i have i've read the monger as well get the fuck out because i'm a real anime fan okay i i just think that it's kind of it feels like a cop out to put it on the list yeah it's because it's just we're doing a podcast show you're trying to be entertaining and i feel like it's boring if we put out okay let's just fucking add my here academia then how about that yes let's add it let's add how about that dude all my It's sexy

I'm telling you dude Do you want skinny version or you want buff version You can get either The stuff that Endeavour has done for daddy issues Change the game Like that's They progressed it Okay

Tenerke proves that daddy issue is not a gender specific Yeah you know Yeah very progressive guys Yeah I just think this If we put Astro Boy it's kind of, you know. Okay, fine. Let's not put Astro Boy then.

Would you have put Astro Boy on? Abs of fucking Lutely. Because we wouldn't be fucking... Yeah, but then we're going to have a list that's like every old thing ever. Not necessarily. Oh, yeah. Well, we can make it. I think Astro Boy is the only like old school anime that I would include on the Seven Wonders.

Personally. Fuck off. Fuck off. No way. Yeah. Personally. Okay, okay. Okay, let's decide right now.

We're only going to agree to one old anime. Okay. What's your definition of old? Like, before the 90s? Before the 90s. Before the 90s. So it's 80, 70, 60s, right? Yeah.

Okay, if there was one, what would you pick? Probably something, it's probably got to be like mobiles with Gundam, right? Like, I guess we can put multiple. Gundam, Gundam's up there? What about, I mean, Gundam is still a thing to this day that has, like, its lineage has gone, like, you know, since the beginning Gundam, and it still goes on to this day. Okay, question. Are we including movies? Yes, yeah, yeah.

Okay, if that's the case, then I agree with Connor. I think Akira should be up there. Even though I know you don't rate it. Okay, let's put it on the maybe list. Let's see if we can think of, like, you know. Okay, I agree with, is this something we all agree on? I agree with you on Gundam. Okay, one, I would like, so the first thing that absolutely comes to mind for me.

Yeah. Is Evangelion. Evangelion, I think, is the very definition of the anime that, you know. I'd rather put Gundam on. Sorry? I'd rather put Gundam on. I feel like Gundam makes more sense. Why does Gundam make more sense?

Even Gellion is just sad Gundam, right? More depressed. I can't believe you just said that. Listen, it's just, listen, it's just, listen, Gundam is, if we're talking influential, it's pretty, like, the most in terms of, and I'm happy to agree with that. I don't know, man.

If it wasn't for Mazinga Z, Gundam wouldn't be here, so. How many seasons does Mazinga Z have? Like two, I think? Yeah, so, I mean, I'm happy to. I feel like Gundam has way more... Mustink also has a lineage that goes on. Yeah, but I feel like we've got to talk

like pop culture relevance as well. And if we're talking that, I mean, look at how many... Are you... Are you sick... Like, in terms of pop culture reference in Japan, I would argue Ava is fucking up there. I mean, to me, it's like... The influences had on kind of like merchandising, right?

No, no, no, no. That's just because the Ava team was just like... They understood marketing. Right? Gundam was like, okay, you know, we'll make the Garnplas and those are still like huge in Japan, like still slap. Yeah. But with Ava, it was like, let's put all of our characters on fucking everything. Yeah, but that's because of the marketing team, not because of the anime. But I'm arguing for Gondomi, I don't fucking watch a single Gundam. But I, I, Evangelion is super popular. Only really in Japan to that level, whereas Gundam is globally known on such a more,

wider scale. And also, there's fucking toys, man. Amongst, like, different generational, like, groups, you know? Also, like, this might be a hot take, but I think it's more important that an anime fan watches Ava than an anime fan watches Gundam. And I know I've probably pissed off all the Gundam fans. I mean, I think that's fair to say it. I think, I think Ava is just such, it's, it's, like, such a turning point for, like, the anime kind of, like, industry as a whole.

Um, you don't need to like Ava, but I feel like everyone needs to experience it at least once, just to have an opinion on it. There's a reason why Ava aired in fucking, I think, 1995 or 1997, I can't remember the exact year. And it's like been over 20 years and we are still discussing it, you know? Okay. Yeah. Let's get a good idea then. So we have a Google search of top 10 most influential anime pulled up.

So let's see what Google says is the top 10 and then we can kind of go from there. Number one is Akira. Fuck off. All right. It is not the number one most influential. It's up there. It's up there. It's not number one.

Okay, what's number two? After, thank you. Oh my God. Yeah. Influential is an important term. Yeah. All right. What's number three?

Dragon ball. Yeah. I would put Dragon Ball. Dragon Ball's got to be up there. All these Dragon Ball Z. Yeah. Okay, we've got to give Dragon Ball Z fans. No matter how you feel about Dragon Ball.

I know. All the fan base. It's a double you for the rainbow. I'm happy to give it credit. All right, number four. Pokemon. Mm. The game, yes.

I wouldn't necessarily say the anime. It's hard to, it's hard to, like, boil Pokemon down to its anime because it's just like a fucking multimedia franchise that spans everything now. Yeah, and it's kind of been stuck in, like,

the Saturday morning cartoon loop for, like, the past 30 years. It's kind of like putting Henno Kittie on there, you know? Like, is it influential? Is it iconic? Yes. But is it something that's, deserves to be on a list like this. I'm not sure. All right. Number five. Number five. Nuska.

Nuska. Wow. Yeah. Okay. It is my favorite Ghibli film, but I personally wouldn't put it on there. This is just like, dude, this is the most generic ass safe list ever. Yeah. Yeah. Go down. All right. Number six. Gondon. Okay, there we go. There we go. Okay. Nasker's above Gondon. Even I don't agree with that. How much money does Gundam make a year of selling Gundam markets? It must be like, like a stupid amount. They're half of the Japanese economy. I mean, I think Gundam model kits make more money than the Dragon Ball franchise. Absolutely. Oh, I wouldn't be surprised by that.

I'm not surprised by that whatsoever. But one thing I find interesting, as I swear, I know more people that are into model kits and just have only seen like one Gundam or are not even a Gunnville. Okay, okay. 131.3 billion yen in sales over the past year. Yeah. So basically $1 billion. Here's what I'm thinking, guys.

I think we need to separate this into genres because I think we need like the Mount Rushmore of each genre up here. Okay. So I feel like we, Gundam, we're calling it the Mecca one, right? You know what I mean? Okay.

Well, the Romanian ones were Sailor Moon and Evangelion. Okay. I mean, I understand Evangelion. I think Gundam is more influential, but I guess it's up to us what we decide. Yeah. All right, all right. Guys, guys, all right.

Hear me out. Hear me out, okay? Because Dragon Ball, We've already, we've just all said the Dragon Ball's up there, right? Okay. I would say, Dragon Ball. So that's one slot gone. We're already one slot down, guys.

In this particular moment, I think Dragon Ball is definitely up there. Can I make something, can I say something that might be controversial? Okay, what now, go on? Give it 20 years or maybe even like 15 years. Do you think that more people are going to be talking and remembering the end of One Piece than Dragon Ball? Because Dragon Ball was obviously our era, but, You're assuming one piece is going to end.

It is good. That's the thing, though. That's the thing. It is going to end. One piece will be ending within the next 10 years, I think. That's what Oda said 10 years ago. Okay, okay, okay, okay. I mean, but like, he sees it the kind of guy who won't let it quit.

Yeah. No, no, no. I mean, it's like maybe. Okay, okay, I feel that's a great question, but I feel the comparison is also slightly unfair because roughly, you know, like, whenever the fuck one person, piece ends, like let's say in the next five years of One Piece ends, right? Like five years from now, already even now, compared to when Dragon Ball ended, right? The landscape of the anime fandom

internationally has just exploded, right? Like, you know, whenever Dragon Ball ended, I don't even remember when it was, but like, you know, when that ended, especially the international anime community was not as like heavily invested or was like openly talking about anime in the same way that they are talking about it today. Yeah. Right. So I feel that comparison is slightly unfair. And to answer your question, more people will be talking about One Piece.

Just because it's going to end in a period where people are fucking, like, it's like, Dragon Ball never got to the point where it was trending on Twitter. No, no, no. You know? But like, okay. So, like, here's like my, like, thinking around this because obviously Dragon Ball, fucking global sensation, hugely influential. Yeah.

Now we, uh, this is something that got many people into anime. But I think we're going to see something interesting when One Piece comes to an end, because it's going to be the very first globally popular franchise, because One Piece somehow is only getting more and more popular now as it's gone on. It's going to be a show that has gone on for like 20, 30 years, and people will have grown up with One Piece and seen it come to its conclusion. And I think the fucking power of that when it ends is something that I can't think of another franchise that will like come close to grasping that kind of power where you have a whole generation of anime fans now that are going to grow up, see One Piece come to its conclusion. And that's going to be the most important like kind of show that stuck with them in their lives. I mean, I guess like Naruto kind of got close in that sense. But we can't we can't decide the the wonders based on what could happen. Might be a new wonder

Let's say Might be a new wonder I just feel like yeah One piece hasn't ended So he can't have that conversation Yeah yeah Okay Right now

Right now Dragon Ball fans You have the throes Also who's to say They won't fucking like Baruto that shit You know what I mean They'll be like Yeah

When's two piece coming in Yeah Loufie had a kid And the thing is that He's made of stone Instead of rubber Oh And it's called rock piece

You know It's called rock piece Like Like I just dude I just feel like One Piece, they'll never let it die. I feel like they're gonna do something with it. You know what I mean?

I mean, they're already like doing, you know, like spin-off, like side character-based like manga series and stuff like. Yeah, I mean, they did a whole one for Ace and like his backstory. Did they? Yeah. Fuck me. Yeah, illustrated by the guy who made Dr. Stern, which is actually really good. I would recommend it.

Okay, okay. I didn't know that was a thing. Yeah. Even I read that. Yeah, okay. So like, yeah, they're probably going to end up doing that. But as of right now, we can't really... Yeah, that's the other thing we should figure out. Like, is currently ongoing series acceptable to be put into the Mount Rushmore?

I think if they've had a big enough impact. Okay. But I think one piece hasn't had the same impact as Dragon Ball. Not yet, but I think... Not yet. I think there might be a point in the future where it does have the same impact to, like, a generation of anime fans as Dragon Bowl. It's getting there.

Maybe even more, yeah. I think it's like... It's like the same level, honestly, right now. I don't know. You better watch out, you better watch out Dragon Ball fans. The One Piece fans are coming to get you. Bro, Dragon Ball fans haven't had anything good in like 10 years and they still care. I haven't watched anything in 10 years, by the way. I don't know.

I'm just judging that based off the fact that nobody has mentioned that anything Dragon Ball recently is good to me. The Broly movie was good. Oh, I've heard that. Okay, so, okay, if we're talking in terms of movies, then, do you feel like Akira deserves to be on there more than, like, spirited away? No, I just wanted to say it so that my ass was covered. Akira fans come for this. You know what I mean?

I was like, guys, I tried. I said, I, okay, I personally think, yes, I think Akira deserves to be on there more than Spirited Away. Right. Just purely because, like... Oh yeah, I just want to give them any credit. I mean, look, as much as I love Spirited Away,

like, and, you know, it did win an Oscar and everything. But, like, I think just, like, the pure impact of Akira, not just within the anime fandom, but, like, outside the anime fandom was just, like, fucking insane. Like, there are so many people where you'd be like, you would never associate with liking anime or knowing anything about anime who are like yeah akira fucking love that first of all boss baby was nominated for an oscar so i feel like using oskers as a

base also shrek won an oscar which is great i kind of kind of deserve deserve you know this is a ballpark of work everywhere boss baby got nominated for fuck saying yeah yeah um Oscars yeah i feel like that's not a good metric but um yeah and i'm sure more anime would have got the nominees of of course back then if they weren't so kind of closed off to for okay if you don't think akira should be up there, then what, if you had to pick a movie. We agree, we have to pick one movie. Let's see what you guys feel about, like,

if you had to pick one anime movie to be on the Mount Rushmore, which would it be, I would pick Akira. Yeah, it'd probably be Akira. I mean, we're picking between Akira. Pokemon, the first movie. Goaded though? Hear me out, guys.

Actually, goaded though. Actually changed the game. The one with me two, where he's like, I am too strong. Pikachu crying, hear me out, guys. Demon Slayer. The top grossing anime movie of all time.

Hello. The metrics don't lie. Hello. Data doesn't care about your feelings, Joey. It's called inflation, gone, okay? And movies are making more money because of inflation. All right. Let's just be real.

Fuck's sake. But yeah. Okay. If we're doing movies, there's only going to be one. There's only like two options. It's either going to be a Ghibli movie or a Kira. And I am lukewarm on both. So I...

Yeah, I don't have no strong feelings about anime movies. I just don't care for them. I mean, my favorite anime movies are like Satoshi Khan movies, but unfortunately, that's like the more, when you go more down into like the rabbit hole. Yeah, that's like the Citizen Kane of the anime world. Yeah. Yeah.

No, it's like page three of IMDB. It's like, oh, there's some really cool movie that we're not a little bit watch. Yeah. What other genres are we missing? So we've done Shonen. Did we agree on a movie or not? Yeah, yeah. Okay, we actually agree on Akira.

So what's up there now, right? We got Akira. So we got Dragon Bowl and Akira right now. And we couldn't agree on a mecha. one. If you guys really want to put it in Ava. If you really, if you guys really, really want it, I'll give it to you. Okay, Mecca I feel is like, you know, that is like very uniquely anime, I feel. You know, so like, I feel like one of them has to be up there. Yeah, I don't know. The question is which one? Okay. Okay. But here's, in this specific kind of

scenario. I'm going to hate this list. Huh? I'm going to, actually know, I'm going to hate this list. I don't think Ava should be in the Mecca category It's kind of What categories are going on? The depression category It's kind of, this is kind of more like, you know, especially You think you want both on there? Sorry?

Are you saying you want both on there? We can change them. We can get to the seven And we can start taking stuff out and putting stuff out. Yeah, yeah, I do want both on there. Okay, fine, okay. Also, did we agree that Astroboy was up there? No. No, okay.

No. So we're, because we already have four on the list now. We've gone them, Ava, Akira. and was the fourth, uh, Pokemon? No, true. No. Um, what the fourth one? Dragon ball.

Dragon ball. So, okay, that, everything we've listed is pretty old, even though we said we weren't going to put old anime on there. Let's put a new one. We have not put a new, the newest one that's actually been Ava. Is there a new anime you guys have put on there?

Jiu-Tu Kaysa. Get the fuck out. Get the fuck out. Get that bitch shit, Andy. Iron Jitsu Kaysen is good. Get Gojo's face off of like, fucking Mount Rushmore, man. Dude, listen, that.

There's a reason why everyone loves it. I mean, it's still cooking. It's still cooking. It's still cooking. I'm kidding. I don't know. New anime. Like within the past decade?

I mean, maybe when a Taco Time is finally done. Maybe 2000s? 2000s anime. 2000s anime. I'm trying to think now. This is when it gets hard. Yeah. We only have three fucking slots left on the stupid list.

Well, we can change things around. We can change things around. Is there any other normal? nominations you want to bring up, Connor? Would you like to bring up Jojo? I was thinking of hentai, but I wish to do it as Hentai 7 Wonders list. That's also an idea we can do later. 2,000th anime. I mean, Jojos could be up there, but it's for very different reasons than any of the other ones.

I feel like Jojo has kind of been like the pinnacle of weird art style, having its own, carving its own niche and kind of pushing a very weird side of anime forward. Right. And as well as the impact on the fandom, at least in the West. And also in Japan, I mean, as well. Yeah. But Jojo is just so, it's Jojo. Yeah. Do you feel like Attack on Titan should be up there?

I think when it's done. Yeah, it depends. Because I don't know the ending yet. So it really depends on how it's going to end. Yeah. You know? I mean, I feel like it probably, oh my God. I mean, if it ends within the next five years and they're still fucking milky.

It'll end this year. In November, Joe. Okay. Finally. Yeah. I think it probably does, but it's kind of hard. It feels weird putting it on. I don't know why it feels weird. Why does it feel weird putting it on? Because one, it hasn't ended yet and two, we don't know the true impact of attack on Titan yet. Is it going to be something like Breaking Bad where we still meme a like fucking 10 years down the line? Probably. Would it still have cultural significance? It's hard to tell. It's going to be a really fucking fun show to go back and watch all the way through again. I've, and I've been watching it season. Yeah, my entire life.

So it's gonna be fun to be able to watch it back to back and be like... It was great. When I showed Sydney Attack on Titan, because she had somehow never seen Attack on Titan, just watching it, like, binge watching it seasonally, like each season and just seeing how the show has evolved. It was just like, ah, I forgot how fucking good it was, especially now that when we, the way it's being released, now you forget how hype and how much has been built up and how much the story just like interconnects together.

Sure. And how much was foreshadowed. It was like a pleasure to watch. It's just crazy that it came out 10 years ago. Yeah. That's what blows my mind the most. Yeah. Yeah, I don't know.

I feel like other anime that could be up there. I feel like maybe it just doesn't feel right to put it up there yet. I feel like if we had this conversation in four years, it definitely would. Yeah. But I feel like we can do better. All right. Then I got a new nomination. Okay.

Sailor Moon. I was thinking that. It's got to be right. That's such an anime news. network answer gone. Shut the fuck up, Connor. That's such a... I will not take the Sailor Moon slander.

Thank you, Connor. That is my childhood. Fuck you. That's just such a... Hey guys, gonna make a top 10 anime list of all time. Revolutionize the Shojo genre, revolutionized the magical girl genre. Did it just make it? It did.

Yeah, so it made the genre. So it should be up there. Yeah. Can we fact check what the first magical girl anime is? I don't think it's a... It's not Salem Moon, but it definitely... It's popularized... At least to the west.

I feel like it's just, just, it's iconic. Sally, which, okay. Sally, 96, yeah. Okay. I feel like it's just such a bland pick. All right, all right, guys. We don't have some spice in this list. All right, all right, okay, hear me out.

I agree with you in terms of influential. You want some spice? All right, hear me out. Full metal archis brotherhood. Sword art online. Okay, that's, okay. Sword art online. I need you to close your mouth.

Look, look, look, look. We are talking about influential and, anime that has influenced the industry. If we're not putting Astro Boy on there, I don't want to fucking hear anything about influence, okay? Look, look, look at how many Isakai are anime are airing right now? How much... It's a fad, it's like...

It's a fad. It's, it's, you say it's a fad. People have been saying this since Sword Art Online and it's still yet to die. In fact, it's still fucking stronger than ever. What started it? Yeah, because of people. like you who keep watching. What popularized it?

What popularized it? Sword art online. Let's just fucking put Goblin Slayer on the list. For a revolutionizing NTR for goblins. Goblin Slayer would not exist without sword art on the line. Let's just put no life on the list as well. That inspired a bunch of stuff too. Oh, yeah, let's do that.

Okay, let's put a redo of a healer for inspiring degeneracy. Okay. Okay, serious one though? Yeah. What do you guys think about Cowboy Bebop? No. No? No.

No. Just thinking purely from the influence in the West. I know, like, in Japan, Cowboy Bebobbob wasn't as big, but it was a propagator for anime in the West in the 90s. I agree, but I think, like, Dethno did more for Western anime. I think Death No is way more popular. I think Cowboy Bebop's influence has been dying with every kind of, like, year that passes by. Yes, it was one of the first anime that kind of like we all saw on television. I didn't see that shit on television

I think Death Note had more influence than the cowboy I agree I think Death No had more influence especially in the modern anime era Yeah it's crazy And cowboy Beboh obviously people look at Cowboy Bebop With more like critical claim But yeah

I don't know if I would put it on Elle's theme alone is more influence Yeah I'm tired of Cowboy Bebop I'm giving this Cowboy Op slander I'm sorry it is One actual strong contender I want to put on even though people might not talk about it too much nowadays.

Harry Susamea. It was definitely... It did popularize the line novel. Okay, okay. Let it one, yes, it popularized light novel adaptations, which I would argue is the most popular adaptations we get in anime. There are more light novel adaptations than I think manga adaptations or anime originals. There are.

And, you know, Harrah Heath popularized it. And if I needed to name an anime that epitomized mid-2000s anime culture, it is fucking Harrihy. It's Harrikyy or Lucky Stuff. You were half right on. You said mid-animay, and you're right. It is for mid-animay fans. I just, I don't know. I think I would genuinely put Harrihi on there because it is such a time capsule of, like, the anime climate of its time.

Yeah, it's a time capsule. It belongs in the past. No one talks about it nowadays I mean It okay to be fair I like last time you had a serious conversation Yeah as much I kind of agree with Connor Like as much as I fucking love hierarchy

And like that climate of the mid 2000s anime world Like it is a hard show to sell To someone today Yeah Same thing with Lucky Star Fucking Love Lucky Star But I would not recommend it to people today Give me out

No Lucky Star is more dating than Harry Hit me out for changing the cosplay game Dangan Rompah Yeah me out for single-handedly making sure cosplay is always the same. True. No, I don't know.

Very middest anime adaptation. I remember when Junco cosplayers were like everywhere. Do you mean now? They still are. All right. Yonderry simulating. Are we putting fucking Mirai Nikki on there?

No, my God. If we are, we have to put Elf and lean on there. Yeah. Okay, so we have four. We need to pick one to go on. We're going to add signs of this list. Okay. I still think.

we should put Sailor Moon on there. Yeah. Well, yeah. Like you say, oh, it's a boring choice, but, hey, it revolutionized so many genres. It popularized anime in the West, especially for a female audience. We've literally made an anime news network list so far. I'm just saying, are we cool with that? I'm just saying, you know what?

Maybe they're right. Yeah. For once in their lives, maybe they're right. You ever thought about that? Come on. We have to put one at least like post-200s-1-20. We have a spicy one on here. Come on.

I mean, I'm saying, how are he or sword-arts on life? I'm not putting her. I have made my case pretty clearly. If we have to... All right, make a better case. And name me one that deserves me on there more than either of the ones I am. Death Note. Entirely Death Note belongs along more than that.

Pop culture impact alone. Death Note crushes them both. Not in Japan. Not to mention, Willem Defoe. Who might I remind you, it is notoriously a large penis. Who also are the people who like Death note. What the fuck are you talking to? That's true, by the way.

That is a true fact. Google it. I don't look at pictures. They don't exist. I tried. In Japan, actually what do you mean? In Japan, too. There's no Harahis-Suzamia musical. There's a Death-Nor a Musical. I actually think there is a Harry-E-Susamia musical.

Not anymore. Death knows still got a musical. You can watch it in London. Yeah, I know. I know. I know. There is, Wilhelm Dufus's penis was so large that after the filming of the 2009 psychological thriller, Antichrist,

the director had to cut the scene with Defoe's actual penis and reshoot it with a body doll because it was so large. that everyone in the room is confused. It is my favorite fact that he has an extremely large piece. Thank you. Offlesh, damn, that's interesting. Would you say that Death Note deserves beyond there more than Full Mental Alchemist? Yes.

Yeah. I think that Death Note, like, memes aside now is actually, is more influential, more spoken about still to this day than a lot of these shows. And also, I think it was a banger of a show. I think what Death Note did as well, that was really influential was that It kind of made, I guess, like, the whole thriller slash... It made the whole thriller slash horror. It did not make it.

It really didn't. It did not make anime cool. You can, you, like, Death Nerd finally gave us an anime that allowed you to recommend anime to you all. Yeah, it made, it made the darker side of anime more accessible. Yeah. Yeah, yeah, yeah. It made you more likely to get fucking bullied for having a fucking death note. I'm sorry, I just say, buy a death, though.

I said, just fucking watch it, dude. What the fuck? Yeah, we all know everyone who watched that shit in the mid-2000s was like, I'm gonna get one myself. And then take it to a convention. I'm gonna write your name in my death nerd. And then we're like, okay, we found any... I'm gonna take it to the signing and make the famous person write it.

I just think you're actually clowning if you think the death nerd had less impact than Harry. Excuse me. I'm just... Okay, it's because I think Defnote definitely had, you know, was more popular in terms of like the widely. I think Harri was just more influential in terms of like the shaping the kind of landscape of anime. We already have so many of these kind of picks on our list. Let's mix it up a little bit. We didn't mix it up a little bit. We're not picking it.

Let's not pick the most influential. Let's pick like some exciting. That's the whole point of this list, Connor. Because otherwise we would just pick Astro Boy, and Astro Boy isn't on the list. Well, that's why I said we should put up. I'm saying, we're trying to pick like the seven wonders. And we're saying we're marking all stuff. Influential is one of the points.

I think we should be. It's not true. It's one of the points. But it shouldn't be the only thing we're considering. Yeah. And I think that it should be saying that like it's an anime that you kind of have to experience and watch. to be considered an anime fan

I think Death Day is one of those animas Yeah Well then in that definition Why is full metal alchemist not on there? Because God hasn't watched it And God has a whole career talking about anime Shit, you got me He got me there

This man's job to watch anime And he hasn't watched Full Metal Alchemist And he's doing fine So I mean That's true And full metal Alchemist I think Almost it's kind of like

It's just a a weird way to describe it. I feel like we needed a constant number one and we've just all agreed that it's good enough to be number one. But I think a lot of people wouldn't actually say it's their favorite. No. But I think we're just we like having these constants in our lives

and I think everyone gets a little bit of comfort from being like, yes, full mental alchemist is... It's the safe choice. It's a very respectable choice that we all agree and we all keep for some reason keeping it at number one because we feel like the story is very concise. It's very well told and

very enjoyable. Okay, in that, it's like a measurement of unit, we're like, we have a, we have the meter somewhere locked away in France. Okay, okay, if we're going by that logic, then what would you say other than death note or full metal, what would you say is like another anime that you would be like, okay, if you want to get into anime, this is the one that you have to watch? That's a great question. Uh, I mean, because then we can use that as a metric to figure out like, okay, which one of them should be? I'd say attack on Titan. That's like, Yeah, that's my go-to blind anime recommendation if I don't know, if I know nothing about the person's case.

Yeah, this is because, unfortunately, anime has this issue where if people don't watch anime, they have preconceived notions of what animation is and it's for children and yad, yeah, yeah, yada. So the reason why often Death, No, Tiger and Titan get recommended is because they're a lot more serious, a lot darker, and it's a lot, it's a great way of kind of showing someone, one, a great show, but also, too, showing them,

hey, this whole genre has a vast variety of, different topics and yeah some of it is childish yeah there are a lot of really mature shows and stories being told yeah yeah yeah level of stuff like you know i know break it's like fucking meme at this point say breaking bad but like storytelling that like is i think like at the same kind of maturity yeah yeah no i agree i agree with that titan does that so then do we agree in that case then that a tag on tyon should be up there yeah i mean i'm happy to put it up there but it just feel a little like too soon but i mean yeah i mean if we have if if we're going something like this I want to like restate my stance on One Piece then.

Oh man. I think. Oh, that's really interesting. Jess is balding in that one, huh? Yeah, I mean, One Piece seems to be like, seems to be the anime that it's kind of like the anime that everyone needs to be, at least have like some kind of opinion on now, you know? It's everyone needs to be up to date or you need an opinion on like what. I feel like if we're going to do that, we should get rid of Dragon Bowl. Dragon Ball's fallen off.

Oh, Dragon Ball maybe is falling off. I'll agree to put it on if we are at a Dragon Ball. I mean, I'll do it just to spite Dragon Ball fans, you know? Okay, so we're replacing Dragon Ball with one piece. I'm happy to do that, because I don't like Dragon Ball, and I've been very vocal about that. Okay. I think Dragon Ball is iconic for many reasons. Yeah.

Many of the fucking spiky hair in that outline, motherfucker, everyone knows Goku. Yeah. Actually, I can't, I can't do it. I can't do it. You can't do it? I mean, it's less of Dragon Ball and it's more just like the idea of Dragon Ball, you know, the idea. It's too iconic. Yeah, it's too iconic.

We just can't put them both on the list. I think they occupy the same space. Yeah. I think our judgment of Dragon Ball has purely been clouded by the fan base that's attached to it. Because if you separate the show from the fan base, the show is fucking fantastic. Yeah. And highly influential and it's great fun. Really easy to get into.

Man, the comments on this episode are going to be nuclear. I can't wait. I can't wait. Okay. I had something and I forgot it now. All right. All right. Hear me out.

We've played it safe in some of the genres. All right. Okay. Not domestic girlfriend or rents girlfriend. A big fucking... If you say or email, I'm going to kill you. A big fucking part of the anime culture is the fucking degenerate, right? It is, it is a massive...

Itchy shows? Yeah, etchy shows. Okay. Which etchy show? High school D-HD Do you want to say? I think maybe high school D-XD. I'm not even intending that.

See, I would have said High School of the Dead. Yeah, I would have said High School of the Dead. I was like, I don't know if I, like, I don't know if it's just me or my generation I remember like High School of the Dead, but definitely up there if I were to like think of

what show started like the rabbit hole down like the Degenerate Path. It was- woke an entire generation of anime watches. It was sluble. Oh, shit.

And there were two moments in particular that stand out to me. The two canon events in my life, one was watching High School of the Dead, and the second was the toothbrush scene in Nice and Monagall. That's right, God. That, like, that to me, it just started a different timeline. I feel like this seems to be the horny list instead. I could do a whole Mount Rushmore on Etchum anime. But I'm saying it's a big part of the anime community.

It is. God forbid, anime news, whatever network are not going to put these fucking shows on their list. If we're going to put Monogatari series on there, I ain't complaining. I don't think Monagetari deserves me on that. It's too neat. Jerry was like, Joey had the inn there. I tried, guys. I tried.

But I would be happy to put high, it would be an honor to put high school. High School of the Dead, I think, yeah. Because if we're talking especially like mid-2000s anime, like that was a show that, A, everyone watched, B, everyone was like, I think pleasantly surprised watching as well. Because I think a lot of people, again, went into high school of the dead thinking, oh, it's a zombie anime. And then they were like, why is my dick hard? So, you know, I think just like subverting expectations and then also just being one of the show that's so almost memed to the point where like you could not be like at the time, go up to someone and be like, have you watch high school

the dead? It's, it's the show. It's a show that not many people like bring up often, but whenever you do, everyone only has positive things to say about it. Even though it's one way you're just like, oh, I definitely don't want my mom to see this. But as soon as you bring it up, they're like, yo, that was fucking lit, man. It was fucking great. So if we want to be different, because that's what you want, right? Connor, your thoughts.

We should have some. No, I just, yeah, I mean, high school DXT is. High school DXD is also up there. Sorry, sorry, high school. The dead, sorry. Yeah. I think they both have D's in them. Double D's. I don't have high school in them.

Um, yeah, I mean, I think it's a valid argument. Uh, I think we can do better, though. Do better? Love Heena. I mean, it was influential. The OG King of Harams, man. It was influential. The OG King of Harams, what can I say?

Like... No. Mine of aged well. At least the anime hasn't, but, you know, it's... The manga's age well, though. The manga has aged well. I'm trying to think... I suppose you didn't say Gintama, Jerry.

I'm not... Gintama, okay. It's in a weird one. Yeah, as much as I love Gintama, and it's like always ranked highly on my anime list, it's just... It's a difficult... It's a difficult anime to get people into, I feel,

because I feel Gintama is an anime for anime fans. You know what I mean? I watched four episodes and a hard time kind of getting into it. Yeah, it's very like you either don't get it at all or you are absolutely in love with it, you know? There's no in the middle. All right. Influential, I think, uh, Kaiji, because it made a generation of gambling addicts.

Uh, and that certainly influenced their lives. Because it made gambling really cool. All right. I, I call it deadly. Don't you mean, don't you mean kakeguori? No. Yeah. No, Kaiji is the better gambling anime, and everyone knows it, and anyone who says Kakiguri is fucking wrong. Kaki-Guri was highly influential.

It was so influential. Dude, people are still cosplaying Yuma. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. Because it's easy. You can buy it on Amazon for $10. You look up, like, TikTok cosplay videos, and it's, like, filled with Yumiko to this day. Because it's $10. Yeah.

Because you can get a red school outfit that fits in a black wig. It's too easy to do. Yeah. That show is capital B for boring, dude. It's... Yeah, I didn't really like it. Kaiji is like what the men watch when they want to gamble. But Kaiji is like, Kaiji's one of those shows...

It's not going to be on there, by the way. Yeah, I just want to break it up. But yeah, but that's the thing. Kaji is the better anime. Kaiji is definitely the better anime, but it's one of those shows where it's like only the people actually watched it rate it. You know what I mean? Because it's fucking ugly and for some reason they only released it in 720p.

Yeah. Yeah. It's just the weirdest fact. No other anime did this. But for some reason, Kaiji was like, 720 people will do. Yeah. Why? I think.

one that in that vein then, I think one that almost gets like, uh, overshadowed by shows like Kaiji or, uh, Kakiguri is like death parade. That is, I mean, that's great, but that's, but every person I know who has seen that is, like, rates it super highly. That's what I call, like, Hidden Jam. No, yeah, kind of Hidden Gem, but it's, it's never someone's favorite show, it's always just like someone's like 10th favorite show. It's not, it's never the first one that pops into someone's mind. Um, so, okay, I can't believe I'm about to say this. Kion. No. I can't, I cannot believe I'm about to say this. He said it, but he said it. Uh, Moe, cute girls doing cute things. That was also a massive, thousands as fuck. That is, you know, a massive part of

anime culture. If it wasn't for Kion, Bocchi the Rock wouldn't be here. It's probably not say fate. Ah, fate. Faye doesn't deserve to be on there. As well, you know, which fate do I put down, guys? I have to pick one. The entire series. The entire series of bankrupting half of Japan's young generation. Look, look, look. Without Kion, we wouldn't have people having the worst fucking

takes on Twitter using a fucking anime go anime, cute anime go profile. Also, Kion started that. Also, the mid-2000s is. mobile movement was all start from Kion and that was like everywhere before the Issaquai thing came in so what's on our list again? We haven't put anything on the long. Dragon Ball, Akira, Gundam, Ava and Attackah and Titan and Sailor Moon. So we're already at six. We're already at six. So we're fucked. And Death Note. I think Death Note should be on that. I just started it. Um, okay, so I just remembered like Ghost in the Shell was also massively fucking influential as well. Yeah, that's

true. But then. the movie was kind of me. Yeah. Yeah, I know. Maybe you've Scarlet... The definite movie was fantastic with the one with Duolum DeFoe. What's the fucking talking about?

He was a great movie. I'm just a Juan Defoe, Sam. I mean, he's so great. All right, all right. Is there any other shows you guys would like to bring up, or shall we try and start finalizing this list? Um...

What about in the sports genre? It's pretty much going to be only slam dunk in terms of influential, and that's mostly the manga. There are influential, like, sports anime, like, IQ. Hajimeo is a fan favorite, but I don't think that's as influential, but I don't think a sports anime can stand on the same caliber as some of the other shows. Crocono Basket Gone.

No. I'm fucking with you. Free gone. Have you heard of it? Goaded. Goaded. Yuri nice, right, Joey? Yeah, my favorite sports.

So good. Yeah, your favorite sports anime. Yeah, I mean... I don't know. It kind of feels like the seventh one will be like, just like one of the presidents you don't know on Mount Rushmore. Yeah. Well, okay, we got to think, like, what other genre are we missing?

So we have like, we obviously have our shonen. We have our... Is there an influential romance anime? Influential romance? No. I don't... Mm. No.

I don't think there is. Klanat. I mean, I love it, but it's not. No. Code kiosk, no, no. Code kiosk is also... It's kind of the mecha genre. Yeah, it's kind of the mecha genre.

And it's also kind of... Code kios for me is also kind of in the same places like death parade where it's like people will raid it, but it's never like the number one for most people. I feel like... Except Charlie. Yeah. Be stars for furries.

I mean, goaded, but I wouldn't put it up there. I thought that Jojo could go on there, probably. but it's kind of tough because the anime has had a lacklust of previous season. Yeah. Like Yeah, I can't. I can't. Are there any other anime genres that we're missing that's,

you can think of Nabi? Yeah, we did mention sport. Yeah, we did mention sport. I'm trying to think if there's anything else obvious. Rom-coms, that's like, kind of like, there's no good comedy anime that deserves to be up there. I don't count Jinn Tama. Get that shit away from me.

Jun Jinn-Ders anime remiss recent ones. Horror anime, that's not going to be up there. So yeah, I think we have our nominations. Okay, so let's start finalizing it. So I think we can all agree Akira. Yes. I'm fine with the list so far. I think it's a little safe, but yeah.

Okay, so so far we have Akira, Gundam, Yeah. Evangelion. Yeah. Sailor Moon. Dragon Ball. Yeah. What else is there?

Death Note. and attack on time. We can talk about death and it was something else if you want to. I do think because this is... Sword-out line's not going on the list, there's nothing you can say that. I'd rather put a cell world on the list

than the sword on line. I mean, I think out of everything, the one that I feel most strongly about is actually Harry. I'm not putting Harry on this. I would put Harry on there. Yeah, two to two v1 two v one two v one how are we put harry on here yeah

Is that considered like slight of life or psychological? Yeah, I mean Evangelion's the psychological one slice of life I think slice of life is harrykey season two There's no way that you guys think harry belongs on there more than death note No way I think in terms of influence no we're just influence we're considering everything Yeah, yeah considering everything like I think I think how he brought on a bigger movement than death note I think on a grand escape.

I think if we consider everything, Harrihy had a bigger impact on anime. Because yes, I think Death No had more fans, but I think Harrihy was as popular as Death Note back in the day, at least when they were airing. In Japan, I think Harrike was more popular than death. And I think the thing that gives Harry the edge

is just how it has popularized the way a whole different medium that's getting adapted. You know, whether you like that change or not, it was the catalyst for it. Yeah.

I'm on the record. I don't agree with this. I do not agree with this. Yes, we did it. We did it. Harryy fans. We got the Dom. I'm,

I think Def Nade is much more influential, but hey, I want to see the Google trends. Cooperate Harahy-Suzamia versus Death Note on Google Trends. Just, I just want an instant gratification. There's no way.

Obviously, death note's going to be higher. Why? Because it's more normal. It's more normal. Yeah. It's more for the normies. It's more normy. More influential.

It's more normy. Some might say. Hey, we don't know. The Google trends might come in favor. No, it's more normie. We, I guess the audience can decide this then. I can't wait for... Harriky is not an anime for non-animy fans. That is true.

But Death Note is right limited. I think Death Note appeals to the masses and some more for anime. But I think in terms of the general, like, change and movement that are brought to the anime fandom and the way that anime is, like, created and marketed, I think Harriki had more of an influence than Death Note did. Harry was a canon event for the anime industry. Yeah. Like a lot...

Death Note, I think, was only... I think Death Note was like propagated purely because of all the other shows that it came out alongside of, especially during the Shonen Jump. Because that came out during a golden period of Shon and John. Also, I just feel like Kyoto Animation deserves a place on the list. I agree. I agree. Like Kyoto Animation, one of the most goaded anime studios of all time.

And I think they deserve a place in their list. Which would you prefer? Harriky or fucking K-On? Neither. I would rather make it a six wonders list. Actually, there are only six wonders in anime. What I'm sorry?

Death Note to Harrahi, Susameh. Or just, yeah, you put Harrowie. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Just Harrihy. Well, that was, that was pretty interesting. Yeah, it's pretty interesting to see. I can't wait for the comments.

Yeah, yeah. Probably Death Note go shafted. By fucking Harrowe. Death note's the unsaid. eighth a wander of the anime world. I rest my case. Yeah. Well, yeah, clearly.

That's not even like, that's, that's, that's not even shocking. That's United Kingdom. Could you do worldwide for the past, as far as it goes back? And then just go, if we're doing, if we're doing fucking Google trends, let's just name off the most popular anime, you know, I'm sure. Oh, let's see, there you go. See, Death Note, constantly more popular. Never been a point in time. I mean, we're not, we're not talking about purely popularity.

Unless, you know, in that case, we would have been just... It is, it is, but that means, uh, we, that means we should put basically, like, Narito up there. Narito. I don't put Narito than Harris, Susan Rio. I wouldn't. You know, I'm pretty sure, like, you'll be just like Narito bleach. You said you didn't want to make it a safe list. Yeah, yeah. You're literally picking all the normal show.

Aha. Harri, he was more popular than death than at one point. Look at that. For one month. Look at that. At one point, the data doesn't lie. July 2006, literally when Harry came out. Harry fans, we did it.

Let's go, Harry fans. We did it. Death Note was like, all right, you've had your time. Look at that. Beautiful. When did the Death and Anime come out? Actually, that's great question. 2007.

Oh, yeah. So, wait, whilst it was like the manga was happening, it was. Yeah, yeah. Yeah, I mean, like, Death Note was Shonen Jump, and pretty much any Shonen jump show or manga is. You can literally replace DeathNo with any Shonan Jump show from this period and it'll probably be the same. Speaking of Seven Wonders, though, and kind of like, you know, things on your bucket list, we've done a lot in life right now. Have we've, you know, we've traveled to a lot of places.

Oh, sure. Do you have anything on your anti-bucket list? The fuck's an anti-bucket list? Something that you've done once and you're like, I'm going to never doing that again. Oh, going to France. specifically Paris I've done it once actually I'm good

actually I agree with that I think we all agree with Paris specifically yeah let me rephrase that specifically let me rephrase that yeah going to Paris specifically I do want to go to France but just not Paris

The rest of France is actually great yeah I want to experience I just love climate on the French it's British how does it feel to be like I want to any French people how does it feel to be French how does it feel to be for any French people watching to be French and knowing that Paris has overtaken how like the rest of

at least Europe views you guys well I think I think like even non-parisian French people can agree that like yeah Paris kind of fucking sucks you know anti-bucket list honestly fucking Kyoto dude it is a miserable experience to go into Kyoto yeah I mean especially now that you know the world's back to normal like Kyoto is what like when people come to Japan like I want to go see it I'm like yeah yeah you should see it at least once and never again. It is such a miserable time to go like shoulder to shoulder with people. Yeah. Like climbing up these stairs. It's all sweaty. If it's so loud, it's just, it's just way too touristy now, right? So overpacked to the point where it's not fun. Yeah, I think the, I think the biggest

problem with Kyoto is that even though it's supposed to be this very like old part of Japan, traditional part of Japan, where you get to really like, you know, immerse yourself in the history of the country, the fact that it is also at the same time, the most, touristy spot in the world. It's just like that disparity just like kind of takes the magic out of it for me. Yeah. You know? Like again, yeah, like, I'm sure.

If it's the first time coming to Japan, Kyoto, go for it. You know? But once you're there, once you're done, I think you'll go. I don't know. I feel like... Have you been back to Kyoto since tourists? I don't want to. It is. That's why you'll understand.

Yeah, yeah, yeah. I've seen the pictures. I see the crowds, even in places outside of Kyoto. And I'm like, no. I'm good. Especially now. I've been three times since. And the outskirts of Kyoto are still amazing and lovely.

I'm really good. But my God, the city center is, and the touristy areas are miserable. Yeah, yeah, yeah, definitely.

Um, I don't know, I don't know why this popped up. When you, you know, you know, when you were a list of going places. No,

no, not going to play. It's a bucket list, you know. Things you want to do. Things you've tried once and you're like, I'm never trying that again. When did you skateboard?

You know, when skateboarding, like, it was when, like, fucking Tony Hawks became a thing. Like early 2000. And, like, everyone in school, like, tried skateboarding and that craze became a thing. And some people, you know, stuck with it. And I remember trying it once. I tried to do an Ollie. And I was just, like, my body is just not built for skateboarding, man. You know, sometimes, you know, some people just have, like, a skater energy.

You know, some people are just, like, built for this type of things. I am, like, the opposite of that, man. Yeah. I mean, I did skateboarding for a little bit when I was young. And, like, I could do it like Ollie's and like, you know, I tried to do a kick. You definitely have skater energy. Do you? Bro, yes?

I could fucking see you. Yeah. Yeah. Like, I wasn't like great at it. I think I like landed a kickflip once in my life after eating shit 30 times. But like now that I am approaching 30, I know. My body is just like, you don't have to do this anymore. You're getting older, God.

Yeah. I don't want to skateboard because I'm, because everything will break in my body. Yeah, exactly. That's true as well. But, you know, I still want to do more snowboarding and shit like that. You did eat a lot of shit. That was, that was very, very fun. Yeah. I do want to do more winter sports, uh, because I feel like I didn't grow up with it.

Anti-bucket list. Yeah. Fuck. I'm trying to think. What else is there? Because I usually don't really do things unless I feel like I'm going to want to do it again. I feel like you had an answer in mind, right? Because you made, you brought this question up.

Was there something on your mind that you thought was really funny? I don't know. I just, I think I can't remember just because I think I think I think I can't remember just because I think I saw like a random thread about this and I was like oh, that's pretty interesting. I've never heard of the term anti-bucket list before. I think it's, yeah, but I probably just coined it. I think it's pretty, yeah. I've never heard of that. It's not a real friend. Yeah, would you do bungee jumping again? Is that something you do? Yeah, that was fun. That was fun. Yeah, I love the, there was a sensation when I was bungee jumping where for like one second, it kind of felt like, huh, what if I just jumped off a cliff? And you got to have that sensation for like one second. kind of just complete like just falling. Yeah, yeah, that's really cool, really trippy.

Yeah, I would not want to do that. My God, do you fall faster than it you think you would. Oh, yeah. You fall so fast. Gravity is, yeah,

one thing. But seeing it like, POV, POV, you're falling. It's very, you're about to die. It's really different from watching someone else do it

and you see them fall and you're like, yeah, obviously that makes sense of how fast they're falling. Yeah. Yeah. But when you're doing it

and you jump at the bun and jump, you're like, oh my God, like this is, You just feel like a rock. Yeah, you just immediately plummet, and it's such a weird feeling the, like, kind of your body weight just falling. Yeah, but it's so fun. And then when you sling up, it's really fun.

Yeah, I had this moment where I thought I had, like, grown out of, let's say, thrill rides and, you know, roller coasters and stuff like that. And then, like, I think, you and Sydney just went on a date, like, a few months ago to Tokyo Dome, which kind of have, which kind of has, like, a little, like, theme park area and we were fucking bored and we were like yeah let's let's let's let's go on the fucking pirate ship you know you know you know the fucking pirate ship yeah yeah yeah yeah and we were just like you know let's fuck it let's go on it and just like be kids again or whatever and we and we started off just like you know like kind of like taking the piss sarcastic they get to be like whoa whoa we're on a pirate ship and then when it gets fucking high I had forgotten the feeling of like getting butterflies yeah going a roller coaster and we both came

off with like the biggest fucking pure smile on our faces. It was like one of the fair. I've forgotten how much I'd like miss roller coaster. And then we went on like the Tokyo Dome roller coaster as well, which I think like has one of the biggest drops in Japan for a roller coaster. And it's like it kept like I've forgotten the feeling of just what it almost felt like free falling and just kept going and going and going. And I'm like, damn, I miss going to go to the Fuge Q. I want to go to Fugee Q. I can't relate man. Yeah. Never. got into that. Yeah. When did you like have you just never been to road coasters? Never. Never. I think I think the problem was I went on a roller coaster. I went on like a roller

coaster in Disney C when I was like really young. Right. And that just like scarred me for life. Yeah. I think like I just don't think. Yeah, I don't know. I'm not it's weird. Like it's not that I'm not like a thrill seek or anything. It's just it's very like circumstantial as to what kind of thrills I like. Yeah. And just roller coasters just don't really do it for me. I don't Oh, that's not even that like I'm scared of them. It's just like it's not fun. Yeah, I mean, I guess that's something on my anti-bucket list. Going to theme parks that I guess are actual theme parks are not like thrill.

Like Disneyland. It's like Disneyland. Yeah. I prefer thrill parks. Thrill parks are like so much better. I just, I just don't understand. I just go like theme parks. I just, yeah.

I think that's what it is. I don't understand the appeal of going to a theme park just for like, you know, taking pictures and shit. Taking pictures and stuff, you know. love the immersion and getting kind of like lost in it and it's, for some people, it's very magical. Yeah, but we're bitter old men, so I think it's... I'd rather just go to the movies. I think I'm just too British for that.

I am too British, dude. I just can't, when someone's in like a full costume, like, I think we said there's another thing. Like, I just can't take myself out of the situation. I just want to go up to the guy. But the thing is, they're pretty able to the time of their life sometimes. Some of these Disney actors absolutely fucking love it. Yeah.

I'm happy for them, but for me, I just can't put myself out. Although I say that. But I had so much fucking fun of Nintendo Land that, like... The Nintendo's that land was cool, but I just wish there was kind of more stuff to do. It was kind of visually cool to look at. That's why I'm excited because they're making that new Donkey Kong area now, right? So I'm going to go back when that happens. Honestly, they should...

Clearly, they should just open up a full park and not have this. It would crush. I mean, the Ghibli Park's opening up as well, and, you know, that's somewhere I want to go. I think that's what it is. It's like... They're going to have a ride where how many... how many Mizaki is disappointed in you. Yeah, yeah.

It's going to be really fun. All right, so this is a half-troll answer. Okay, go on then. League of Legends. What about it? Okay. You don't want to do it anymore. Okay, well, obviously, I've tried it once.

I don't want to do it again, okay? But it's, it's, okay, obviously, ha-ha, league fans and league players, but I just think back to how much time I put into learning a game like league, you know, learning the mechanics, and, you know, you think about the barrier of venture, about how much time we have to put in to learn this game,

characters, mechanics, just to be competent at it. I cannot see myself doing that ever again for like any other game. Just because I don't have... I kind of wish I could go back and get into league again. It was so fun when I got into it. Yeah.

It was such a exciting thing and it had such a cool premise. It was just really fun. Yeah, because I think back and I think like the own... Like, I could have... There was only one point in time I could have gone into league

and it was the time that I did get into league because I'll never have that much time again when I was just in fucking university had so much spare time and I could just grind out games and just like really learn the game because now I just have this thing whenever I try a game

because I'm not like a fucking streamer so I try a new hot game and by the time I get to try it out everyone's already fucking cracked at the game and I fucking suck yeah that does happen a lot yeah just get good can't just get good

You're bronze for a reason. Actually, I was gold. Actually, I was gold. I was gold. This means absolutely nothing to me. Have you ever gotten, like, put, like, so many hours into a video game that you got cracked at it, Joey? Or was it always single-play games for you? It was the best game you ever think you, like, the game you're best at.

Yeah. Like multiplayer, like, online multiplayer, right? Yeah, yeah. I was, like, in high school, my friend really got me into Starcroft. I play while everyone else around me was playing league like me and my friends were playing StarCraft I got pretty good at it Did you get a rank in it or?

I don't even remember But because it was like it was such a It was like a very condensed short amount of time Like it was there was a period I think for maybe like Like three or four months Where I was playing StarCraft like every fucking day after school Yeah

And then so maybe I got some rank up to that point But it was such a short period of time And it's a condensed period of time That I just genuinely don't remember it Yeah And yeah, that's probably my anti-bucket list, too, playing Starcroft, because never again, probably. Never again. You do.

Oh, I can't imagine you getting into Starcraft, actually. I was into it. And then at one point, I think I just hit a wall. Yeah. Where I'm just like the most anti-gamer gamer, gamer, you know, you're just like, I just don't like playing against other people. I just want to chill and play Kirby. Yeah. No, totally.

It's like, I just can't play casual. Like, when there's an option of casual or ranked, I'm like, what's the point to playing casual. Because I want to relax to play video games. I don't want to, it's not a fucking workout. No, I know, but I think we've had this conversation before. For me, it's, it's not relaxing to play casual. I'm like, there's no stakes. There's no kind of challenge. Yeah. It doesn't help me relax. I don't want stakes. Is there any sports you guys did before that you have, like, found fucking, yeah. Rugby. Rugby. Yeah. I actually like rugby. Football. I hated. I hated just football. Oh, like soccer. Joey, Joey, Joe, Joey, you in England. You're in England, Joey.

It's fucking soccer in it. Get the fuck out. Because I was always the goalie, and I am on. For some reason, that checks out. That fucking checks out. I was the only kid that didn't mind just eating shit. And that is literally the goalie's job. It's just eat shit constantly.

That's why it's so perfect for you. I don't know. Oh my God. I was like, I was like trying to imagine, I cannot imagine kind of play football. And as soon as you mentioned goalie, I was like, yeah, actually, that makes sense. It checks out.

That makes sense. I was always just like, I was, always pretty athletic, but I just, they were like, all right, we need someone who doesn't mind jumping. They're putting their face first to someone's feet. And I was like, all right, I'll do it. I loved it. And then they also, because it was always, it was the UK,

so it was always rainy and muddy. So you always got the most dirty. It was horrible. Yeah. Before every football matchcon, I was like, so is this ranked or? Or I was like casual. I was super invested. But then I happened to join when I, when I was,

they needed a goalie. And I think I was the only one who liked doing goalie. So I was like, yeah, I'll be a goalie. And my dad was really happy that I was playing in a football team. He was like, oh, my God. That's my boy. He's such a British man. And, yeah, it just happened to be the one year where our team was cracked.

Like, they were all very, very good footballers. And so I would play football. We were in this games. And I would just be there for like 40 minutes doing nothing. Just standing in the cold. I wouldn't even be warm because I'm just waiting for them to, the ball never came to our side of the pitch. Right. And I'm like, man, this sucks.

You're the easiest job. ever. It was the easiest job either. And then I remember one time because I was just zoned out because the ball never came. The ball just came by and I just completely ignored it. It went in. Because I was just standing there. Because I just didn't I was like, I was thinking about what

like when I was going to play video games later. I was like oh yeah. And then I heard like Carter and I heard like doof ball like thudded in front of me and it went in and I just wasn't paying attention. I got so much shit for it. An unbelievable amount of shit. Damn. And I was like oh yeah, I forgot I have to do this job sometimes.

You literally just went NPC mode Yeah, pretty much You win AFK, right Yeah, I was so bad at kicking it as well So they, I would always give it to someone else to kick Yeah, couldn't kick the ball I was so bad

Yeah, I would just jump at it Yeah Did you have a sport you played? Basketball I think, I think I briefly mentioned this But I was on the basketball team in school By a complete accident Just because they needed someone tall

And I just happened to be tall And, uh... Would you do it again? Yeah, I think I I enjoyed basketball. I'd be a goalie again. I think it'd be fun. If you have something to do that.

If you actually had to save the ball, it'd be fun, yeah. Yeah, I mean, I was never really that good at football. The sport I actually really enjoyed was hockey. I don't know why. As an ice hockey or hockey? No, no, just like field hockey. We have Canadians watching this. You can't say hockey.

They get really offended if you refer to that as hockey. Well, they can have their fucking ice hockey. Garling's field hockey. No, I mean hockey. It's just hockey guys, right? Right? I mean fucking hockey guys. You know, the sport in the Olympics, guys.

Come on. We had neither in Australia. Yeah, you had AFL, right? Yeah, we had AFL. I play AFL again. AFL is a lot fun. You don't like rugby? Yeah, but AFL was, I don't know.

AFL was better, in my opinion. Because I think I got hurt less in AFL. Like, AFL, AFL was more tough because there was way more running and, like, kicking involved. Whereas rugby was just like, if you were a little skinny Asian boy like I was, then you would be sent to the wing. Just don't. You would be, no, it was always for me. You know, during school, if we were doing like a rugby game together in the, in the schoolyard, it would be like, all right, Joey, you're the skinniest and the fastest. So you're going to be at the wing.

And I was just like, okay. And the problem was that it would always come over to the wing. And then there just be these dudes who were just like three times my size who were like, I'm going to fucking destroy you. Yeah, but there's no better feeling than. sprinting into someone and like duking them. Dude, whenever I pull off like a devil bat ghost, I'm just like, let's go! It was such a rewarding fear.

That's what I didn't want to be toxic on League of Legends. I was like, man, if only I could turn around and talk shit to this guy, after I went past him. Well, the few times I did get hurt and did get tackle, I was like, yeah, never again. I'm good. It's a humbling. Do you were the first time you, as a kid, that you realized you could get hurt?

Because as a kid I was pretty like fearless and then that I remember I had one injury that really scared me and I was like oh Oh, it really hurts when you fall or get hurt No, I think I had that meant I had the opposite mentality of like I was such a pussy where I was just like I don't want to do anything that Potentially gets me hurt and I think that's why I avoided getting seriously injured as a child But surely there must have been a point where that taught you pain right? Yeah, because as a kid you're pretty like Yeah when my sister would beat me off maybe but like That's when you realized. That's when I realized.

Like, you know, brother and sister like, you know, just fucking bantering. And then it would start a fight. And then someone would throw a hand. And then obviously the other one would fight back. And my sister was just like, no holds butt. I'm going to fuck you up. I got to ask because. Are you just a younger than you?

Yeah. She beat you up? Yeah. What the fuck? She totally beat me up. She drew blood a couple of times on me. What the fuck? She's fucked up.

She's so chill. What happened? She let out all the frustrations on this guy. She got it out of young girls. That's how she gave him the chillest girl. Yeah, exactly. Exactly. I got to ask because, you know, I don't get, I never got this experience as like an only child.

But it seems like every time I talked to someone who had siblings, there just was like a moment in your life where you went from like beating the shit out of each other. Just like, I kind of just like realising one day. Actually, they're kind of fucking cool. No, no, you always think that And it's like, when you're at home, you just, when you're around people all that time, you just get angry.

But it's like, if I was fighting my brother and someone else try to, like, punch him, I would, we both turn. It's not like, like, it's, I think in your head, you're thinking like, oh, during childhood, you hate each other. And then as adults, you're called. No, it was literally every other day

it would change. It was like, one morning you would wake up and being like, God, my sibling is an absolute cunt. And then the next day, you'd be like, nah, they're the best. Which is really cool in a way that like, because I guess living with like three other people your age must be such a different human experience to having no brothers. I feel Connor had a very different experience to me.

Yeah, you had three brothers. You were all three brothers and there was a lot more of you guys, right? Whereas I only had a sister. So it was. I mean, I had to learn to share things. And that was, I hated that. I had to share. Yeah.

It's like I saved up for an Xbox. And suddenly they want to play on it. I only get two hours of my Xbox. That doesn't feel fair. But I had to. Did you get hammy downs? Yeah, of course. Of course.

Hammy downs are a thing as well. Right. Which is pretty why I had terrible fashion sense my entire life. Because I was just used to wearing what I was given. And I kept that mentality going into adulthood. And then you become a YouTuber and then people send you merch. You're like, oh, all right, cool. I guess I'll wear this.

The cycle continues. Yeah, it just never ended. I was getting some hand-me-downs just in different formats. Yeah. I mean, it's such a bizarre thing to think that I had that experience and I just, I just gone, you didn't. And I'm like, I couldn't imagine not being around to you. Did you have, like, what was the point where you kind of like start treating each other equally with respect? I was like, I was like thinking about how to work this.

It's when you leave. When you leave? Yeah, when you leave. Yeah. It's when both of you leave your parents' house. Or if one of you leaves and you come back, you're like, man, I actually kind of miss. Yeah. Yeah. Totally.

You know, now that I don't see my brothers all the time, I'm like, man, I wish I got to see them more. Yeah. No, totally. You never know what you don't have. What you have and do, you don't have it. But it's nice, right? If you think about it, it's like, it's like having like another you who's experienced everything you've experienced, but slightly different. And they're like really cool.

Because like I'm really, obviously, I'm really kind of a really good relationship with my parents. But it's like, it'd be cool to have, it's cool that I have someone who's like similar age as well who's, has the exact same kind of experience. Yeah. I don't know. It's a really weird way of trying it. Did you ever have a point where you're like, I fucking hate this cunt?

You know, I was like, Oh, totally. 100%. Totally. Yeah, yeah, absolutely. Like, I think it's more often than not, you know, especially while you're growing up and you're still trying to, like,

you haven't even figured yourself out of that point. Let alone try to understand someone else as well. Like, especially one who is living with you, you know, every day. Like, that was tough. And like, yeah, we'd constantly get into fights. But then, you know, We would always have this thing where it's like,

doesn't matter how bad the fight was the next day, we were always chill about it. Like, we'd wake up and it was like, it's nothing happening. Like, we, at least, okay, did you have that moment that your parents had to make you, like, make up? Like, a hundred times. Oh, yeah, yeah. Like, my dad was like, I will beat you up

if you don't get back together with your sister. Like, just like, make, like, just fucking be good. That sounds bad out of context. Yeah, yeah. I will beat you up if you don't get back with your sister. I said a phrase. Like, damn, this sounds good. Typical Alabama family.

Yeah, I think the good thing was, was that my family was never a family that would, like, hold grudges or anything. So, like, no matter how bad the fight was or no matter how bad the quarrels might have been, like, the next day it was always like, no, let's just like, you know, we're still a family at the end of the day.

Let's just leave that behind us and, you know, have a good day to it. Yeah, because it's always been weird for me as, like, hearing about, sibling kind of like, you know, uh, life, uh, because I think the closest thing I have is my cousins. I think that's the reason I'm so fucking close to most of my cousins, because I have, a lot of my cousins are only, only children like me. Um, but like, we have like, I guess a similar bond without going through all the fighting that I hear that siblings go through. And I think that's just

because when we see each other, um, you know, there was only like a few times that we were able, you know, actually, when we were kids, we hung out quite a lot, but we didn't have to see each other every single day. Yeah. Yeah, I can't imagine how, I can't imagine how that is. Yeah, so just, just imagine, like, you know, like, just think of like your, I don't know if you have a favorite cousin, but like, think, think of your favorite cousin and just imagine, like, living with them every day for the first 20 years of your life. Yeah. Right. That's basically what it's like. Well, the sibling dynamics kind of like accurate. Is it just like, is it like, is it like, the youngest one gets like the most spoiled and the most attention or is it the

oldest one? I think it depends on the parents. I like, as the oldest sibling, was it like, did your parents look at you to like look after your sister? Oh, totally. Okay. Okay. Yeah, normally the oldest guy has the most transibility. That's pretty cool. Yeah, totally. Just like, hey, can you be, can you take care of them? But I think in my, I think in my case, it was a bit different because I think if we had to compare like who got spoiled more, it might have been my sister just because like she was the daughter of the family right whereas like oh Sydney definitely got the sport the fucking most out of right yeah it's always it's all it's most of the time it's the daughter that gets spoiled by the dad right you know and uh and then the

son aka me would be like all right I'm gonna whip you in a fucking shape no holds bar you're the you're the one doing the discipline I'm gonna make you a man how did that work out um dad I think he failed Not exactly an anti-buckalus, but when did you guys start to realize I just don't want to do fucking shots again. I was just thinking that, I was like shots? Like a camera? Like, br-dr-prud-pr-dr-dr-oh-ha. That is actually when you mature as a human being.

Yeah. That's the peak maturing point. That might have happened like, I don't know. Yeah, because I'm trying to remember the exact moment when I thought shots means I'm going to have a good night. So shots mean I'm going to have a fucking terrible night. It gives anyone is confused for whatever reason. Can't talk about alcoholic shots. Yeah.

I think maybe when I was like, definitely early 20s for me was when it stopped. Like 23, 24. I think when I moved to Japan. Yeah. When I moved Japan, I was like, yeah, I think I just don't want to do shots anymore. Like there's no occasion. And now I pretty much do everything in my power to avoid it. Yeah, yeah.

And even sometimes if I'm given a shot and there's like a can of something else nearby that's near empty, I'll be like, things goes that's why okay that's why I don't like drinking with Americans because so many of them it doesn't matter how old they are they just like let's do fucking tequila shots and I'm just like no I do not every single time hold on is it your American impression yeah what the fuck is there that's a valley girl impression who are you having drinks with joy fucking mealy every time I'm drinking with mealy she's like joey I think you should do a tequila shot and I'm just like fuck off mali I don't want I don't even like tequila no one likes tequila

Except mainly. Americans do. Americans do. Yeah. Yeah, it's weird because I remember, did you ever, you know, in Australia, did you have Ring of Fire at all? Was that it? Yeah.

We called us something else, though. Oh, fuck, what do we call it? I know what you're talking about there. Yeah, so Ring of Fire is, I think, like a staple of like every, at least British uni, where you have like a pint in the middle, which is called the Dirty Pint, and then you have a bunch of cards around that pint. and you pick up a different card and different cards. I think we should about this in the episode and an episode once.

I don't think we hear at, at least not like Ring of Fire. Because I remember like the one experience that I was like, I'm never playing Ring of Fire again was we, for some reason, this was like fucking at midnight, so we already had a few drinks. And we thought, oh, fucking Dirty Pine, that's too boring. You know, alcohol, that's too boring. Let's spice things up. And we started putting you some fucking like shit, like hot,

sauce and like washing up liquid in the washing up liquid washing up that's poisonous uh yeah were you guys doing the tide pod challenge before the tide pod challenge basically yeah this was fucking somebody drink washing up liquid yeah i did i lost and how are you alive sorry yeah yeah that like kill you that's like bleach uh yeah i was i was a fucking dumb-house kid yeah this i was a fucking dumb ass kid uh i was 18 years old presumably you threw it up instantly yeah i did throw it up instantly yeah why would you risk your life with that this is This is where people when they're like, man, I don't drink.

Off camera too? Yeah. Yes, off camera. At least do it for the clout, you know? This was before TikTok. What cloud would you get? Do it for the TikTok likes at least. What likes the Darwin award?

At least do it on TikTok, you know. This is where people are like, man, I don't want to drink. I'm like, yeah, yeah. Look at what you're missing out or washing up liquor. Yeah, yeah. Intelligent. Congrats. You're smart.

Yeah. Wow. Yeah. And I just think about some of the fucking stupid shit I did back in the day and, and, um, you and now, yeah, hopefully, hopefully we're more mature, right? Hopefully. Well, I haven't seen you drink washing up liquid, so I feel like you're more mature slightly. Yeah, luckily I survived that to never do that again. What's the dumbest thing you've done during like a drinking session? Yours is washing up.

Yeah, that was probably the dumbest thing. We used to do that too. We used to have a rule where you could put anything in the, in the cabinets in it. Oh, shit. So people would put stuff like cooking oil. Oh, which you could ingest, but you couldn't keep it down. It's like a tear down from washing up liquid. Oh, I'm sorry. It's not poisonous, gone. It's the average American diet. LA Beast drank like three liters of that shit. Yeah, yeah, exactly.

He drank a leader of all the world. By the way, when I say washing up liquid, it was only like a few drops, which still is not great. Still is not great, but I don't want people to think they just want it. That's putting like a tide pot on the corner of the glass and being like, wow, look at the garnish. I think the dumbest thing I did was, um, yeah, like, it involves tequila. Another reason why I hate tequila. But like, you know, a normal tequila shot, for those of you who don't know, is you'd pour the salt, you know, on your hand, where it's somewhere on your hand, right? And then you'd have a lemon in the other hand and you'd lick the salt, you'd do the shot and then you eat the lemon, right?

That's the standard tequila shot. We did this thing called what is called a kamikaze shot, which is essentially the same thing. It's the salt and the lemon and the tequila shot. But what you do is you snort the salt, you take the shot, and then you pour the lemon in your eye. What's the point of that? Uh, just seeing someone else to it that's not you is fucking hilarious. Sniffing salts. Yeah.

That's also very dangerous. It's also very dangerous, but it's really funny when you're not the one doing it. Oh my fucking God. Why does every drinking thing just sounds so fucking stupid? Because it is. And if you count, if you count shooies, uh, as being stupid, then I've done plenty of those. Never again, though. That's, that's a noisy thing.

Shoe is just unhygienic. It's not like dangerous. It's just gross. Yeah. It's just gross. It's just gross. Gross. Because like, you know, every time I talk to someone from Australia or England or Europe, everyone has that one drink, right? It's the first drink you learned that you drunk too much of and then you threw up and then you can, it's like a core memory now.

You know what I mean? It's like every time you smell that drink, you're like, no, I can't do it. That's rum for me. Is that rum? Yeah. Which sucks because it's like I actually like a lot of rum drinks, but the moment I smell any kind of rum, I'm just like, I'm reminding. of those traumatic experience for me. I can't drink them. For me, it's a, for me, it's sambuca.

I remember, uh, I remember, this was, uh, I think of a New Year's Eve party with my cousins. Tabouca's so gross. Yeah, I mean, it is, it is gross. So nice. And I remember at the time, I thought it was, uh, like, pretty nice tasting because I was like, oh, it's like a sweet shot. It's not, nothing like, nothing like a vodka shot or a whiskey shot.

It's actually got a bit of flavor to it. Uh, I guess. Yeah. I mean, that's, that's what I got, Kit Gart was half in copier. Yeah, yeah, yeah, he was, he was. I mean, let's say, it was a step up from washing up liquid, okay? I think anything, it was a step up from washing liquid. Oh, it cleans my balance, right?

That's how it works. And I think it works, okay, I'm getting his core memory back, because I think it traumatized me over two things, okay, because apparently what I did, I didn't actually throw up because I tried, because all of our parents were in, like, the other room, and it was just, like, us cousins, like, getting, like, shit-faced drunk. So I tried my best to basically Like sober up, right?

So what I did was there was no food in the cupboard Except for a few loaves of hovis bread I just sat there for about three hours Just like nibbling on this bread Finish one loaf I started another loaf of bread I went through two loaves of bread the entire night That's an impressive amount of bread to get

And then it was only after I finished a second where I was like, I can't hold it in anymore. Is this why you don't like brain? I'm thinking maybe. I'm like, shit. I completely forgot this happened, but maybe this experience just traumatized me on every single types of bread as well. If you ingest washing up liquor, you can get multi-organ failure following a large ingestion. Well, good. But it would cause you nausea and vomiting, which you most certainly would vomit.

Really? Yeah, yeah. God damn. What is with kids being dumb? Yeah. That's why I like, you know, I grew out of that phase very quickly, I think, because... I mean, the moment you're, like, throwing up and having horrible time, I think is when you're, you kind of realize, like, is this fun? This is not fun. I don't think fitting in is fun. Yeah. Yeah. Do you guys ever been, like, blackout drunk? Oh, yeah, of course. I've only... That's only happened to me once, and that, like, terrified me enough to, like, never want to, like, do it again. Yeah, I mean, it's all, it's all a learning experience.

That's, again, that's another reason why I don't drink tequila anymore. Alcohol is, is in moderation can be great in a fun time. Yes. Yeah. Yes. And, you know, I think, again, anyone who, any time I meet someone like, I don't drink, I'm like, you're so smart. Yeah. Yeah. I'm like, actually, respect. Yeah. Even more respect to people who have decided to stop drinking. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. I think it's good. I'm definitely drinking less as I'm getting older. That's for sure. Like, so I feel like. I feel like. like eventually I'm going to get to that point where I'm just like, you know what? I think I'm good. Yeah, I think it's smart. Yeah, I mean, obviously if you drink, especially if you're raised in the kind of like the British Australian culture, you'll have gone, you know, where you're kind of encouraged to get smashed. Yeah. Especially in university. Yeah, definitely. I have like a tiny little scar because I blacked out one time and I don't remember what happened.

Oh shit. Like a, yeah, I think I told the story on the podcast, no? I don't think so. So I went, we had this game. I swear I've told the story. We had this game. We had this game. where you'd have like four cups like this like four like if you imagine like orange juice glasses yeah like this you'd line them up one two three four and then if you can imagine there's like a little there'd be a little gap yeah right so you'd all take it in turns flicking coins in which now is also just a dirty thought to think that we're putting coins in our drinks so you'd have to flick coins in they'd all have a shot of vodka each in them oh and you'd all you'd be four of you sitting on each side of the table yeah

and so you'd flick a coin in and if you got got it in one and then Joey you also didn't get it in you would have to drink it with the coins inside of it uh well you'd drink the coin you'd take you'd kind of drink it and then get the coin out you know yeah but yeah i know it's gross yeah you're fucking university yeah of course of course um and i i these are people who i just moved in with and i really wanted to be accepted by them so i was like yeah so what ended up happening was that if you if you get it in uh the another glass as well the next person if they don't get it in one has to do two oh shit

And it can keep going. But there's another thing where if you get it in between all of them, you have to do all of them. Oh. Like a little gap. Yeah. And if someone doesn't then get. And so I had that and I had to drink all four of them, all these shots, which were very generous shots. Yeah.

Yeah. Of vodka. And I was like, oh, God, okay. And I lost again in the middle. And so I ended up doing like 10 shots. It's four, but they were definitely big. Yeah. Yeah.

Ridicous amount of shots back to back. And then everyone was like, yeah, let's go up to the club now. And then I do not remember. But apparently I went. And then I woke up the next day I was like fuck my head hurts And I woke up and there's just blood on my wall And blood all over my room

What? Blot all over my bed And then I look in the mirror And my like my eyes completely swollen over And so I must have just fucking face planted at some point Yeah On the ground and hit concrete Cut open my my head there Very lucky that it was just like there I hit

Not my eye Yeah And then I got tiny little scar now you can't see it But yeah Yeah, so that was the first time and hopefully the last. Yeah, it's, uh, it's, yeah, I think I had like a similar instance in university. There's nothing more terrifying. Peter pressure is a very powerful thing.

It is, it is. It is a very powerful thing, uh, which we can say now as adults, uh, fucking overrated. You guys are better than that. Yeah. Um, to me there's nothing more terrifying than opening my eyes and just not recognizing my immediate surrounding. Oh, yeah, I've been there. Yeah, yeah. You know, it's funny.

Like, even, even if you like, even if you like, even if I sleep over at our friend's place. I miss my bed too much. Yeah, me too. I always dread the feeling of like waking up and I'm just like, what fuck am I? Yeah. No matter how drunk I am, I'm using 100% of my remaining brain power to be like,

I'm going to make it back to this bed. Like, no matter what. Like, I could be so, I could be like just incoherent. Like, you can't even like understand what I'm saying, but in my head I'm just like, bed now. Get there. I've had moments in my life where I have barely been, you know, conscious drunk, you know, that kind of like fucking stupid ass drunk. And somehow there is one part of my brain that is like a fucking messenger pigeon.

Like it has like built in GPS to like be able to walk me home no matter where I am. And I'm just like, how the fuck can I do this? Yeah. It's not my story, but my favorite blackout story is from one of my friends in Japan. He was out drinking in like Shibio or Shinjiggo somewhere. like a few years ago and like just got absolutely like destroyed like he was like so drunk but he somehow he was it was he was drinking kind of close to where he was living right in this apartment so he's like okay well I'm not going to have a problem like walking home like I know

where I am but the problem was that because it's an apartment you know all the doors look the same right so what so what he thought was his own house that he walked into turned out to be the exact same like room number but on the floor below. Oh shit. And and and and at the time he thought it was like oh, it's really weird that this door is just like open. Like did I just like forget to unlock this door? Because it was like no key was involved. Like he just opened the door right. Oh. And he only found out that he was in the wrong apartment because he woke up and you know like just on the floor of this apartment that he thought was his and he just looked over and basically where you where you're sitting right now, Gart, there was just like a pig. Because apparently the neighbor

downstairs in secret was owning this pet pig. That's some fucking hangover. Yeah. Why would he not lock his door if he has an illegal pig in there? Yeah. And then apparently, like, he was like, he just looked over, he saw this pig and he was like, oh God, I'm in the wrong apartment. And then right on cue, the owner of that apartment came out of his bedroom and he was like, the fuck are you doing? Well, good thing he's, uh, he wasn't in America. Oh my God, imagine I had a friend one time I told me about

he got really drunk and when he was walking home and like I guess he just fell asleep walking home and apparently he woke up and he was in a building and they were housing like refugees in the building

and the refugees and saw him on the ground and were like brought him in and like shared their like floor space with him around and he was like what the fuck woke up and he and apparently he added them on Facebook and they like keep in touch sometimes still because they were super

chill about it and were like very helpful that's so funny but that must have been a bizarre a bizarre experience you just woke up and you surrounded by refugees like trying to help you yeah you're like what that where am I go that must that's that that's a fucking wild story Jesus Christ I'm sure he could tell the story much better he told me that in

full detail but that was the only part I really remember and it sounded like fucking insane it was like what Yeah. Yeah. I mean, fucking, you know, I'm glad. I'm glad we're not that stupid anymore. Hopefully. Hopefully.

Well, that's part of being an adult. You know, you get older, you get smarter. You don't do that stuff anymore. Yeah. You realize it's not worth it. Yeah, yeah. Well, it's just, you realize it's not that fun. You're also, like, fun is so relative.

And for some reason, people think that's cool and fun to do. And you're like, actually, it's kind of fucking boring and lame. Yeah, I mean, I think to realize, I think when I realized that hangovers actually affected me for like more than one day was when I like, you know what I mean? You know what I mean? The multi-day hangovers. The multi-day hangover.

Could you, when was the last time you guys stayed up all night? What do you mean to stay up all night? Stayed up all night, 24 hour. 24 hours. Yeah. Even the thing I couldn't do at all show.

Do you remember back in the day when it was like you just got really into a video game and it was really easy? Oh, totally. I actually, I, dude, when I discovered Toraria,

so many nights. I would never just stay up 24 hours. I would always go to bed at some point, even if it was like one hour. Really? I just couldn't do it. Oh, I did it so many times when I was in uni. Yeah, it would get to six and I was like, well, should get at least two hours in. Well, sometimes you just need like one more league game and it's just like one more league game doesn't too. I want to end on a win and then you're like fucking seven wins. And then you end on a win and then you're like, actually got to

I got to keep playing until I lose. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. Exactly. No, I mean, like, I can still like stay up all night. It's it's it's. It's, it's, it's, really weird because there's something in my brain that just allows me to like stay up as late as as I want but as soon as I go to bed like it I pay the I pay like the tax you know that's why I'm always like the last one up but you will never see me the next day because I am like unfunction I think that's my problem is that like now I've done it enough times and I know the limits of my own body in mind where like fully respectable yeah if I if I think to myself okay it's like already three in the morning uh which is already past my bedtime yeah I could

just stay up. Like I physically would be able to do it, but at what cost? Yeah. You know? And when I think about that, I'm like, the cost is not worth it.

I'd rather just go to bed. Yeah, yeah. I like sleeping too much. So we talked about our... Sleeps so fucking good. Yeah. Yeah. So we talked about our anti-bucket list.

Is there anything on your actual bucket list? Would you... Okay, here's the thing. We've talked about the seven wonders. Do you think you'd actually want to go to the seven wonders? The only one I want to go to is Machu Picchu. Why do you have an obsession with Matripeachia? I just think...

You always bring it up. Well, okay. Okay, for one... You brought up match pictures three times in this. Okay, for one, a number of things. For one, I fucking love hiking, right?

So it'd just be dope as fuck to go hiking in the mountains. Two, it's like the only real reason I would want to, like, visit South America. Wow. Paul South America, man. No offense to South America, but... That sounds like offense to South America.

No offense to South America, but it's like, I don't have like the biggest, like, interest in a lot of like South America. Just personally, maybe I just don't know about it. I don't know. But the one thing that I think would just be really cool to do is to like go to Machu Picchu.

And also like I know a lot of friends who've been to Marchapuche and they say like just Peru in general is just like a really dope country to like just go and like explore. Obviously dangerous, but. My favorite thing to do is whenever I mention I want to go to a South American country, I'll be like, oh, I want to go to, I want to check out of Mexico. And everyone from Mexico will come out of the woodwork in my like live stream chat. And they'll be like, don't.

Do not. You will die. It's too dangerous. Connor, look at you. You are not allowed in South America. Also, I'm pretty sure Mexico's North America. Oh, yeah, sorry. Or if I mentioned, like, Brazil, sorry.

I was going to say Brazil. Yeah, yeah. Like, if I mentioned Brazil, everyone from Brazil is like, no. Yeah, that's, yeah, that's the other problem is that, like, whenever I bring up, like, a South American country that I would hear from someone who would be like, oh, like, for example, like, a friend. I just referred to Mexico as North, yeah. For example, like, you know, a friend of mine, like, worked in, like,

Columbia for like three months earlier this year and he said it was really fucking dope and I was like okay cool That would be really you know if you said it was cool then you know I would be interested in I saw the photos and everything It looks really cool but then when I hit up my friend who is Brazilian who lives in Japan They were just like yeah don't It's not worth it So I'm like which one is it? I want to go but you guys are telling me not to go It's like that thing when you live in a place you kind of you're you're always dogging on it Yeah, there's always better stuff elsewhere yeah yeah

I don't appreciate the good stuff about being there. For sure, for sure. Would you guys want to go to South America? I like the idea of going to South America, but every time, like, I've had similar experiences. So anyone living in South America, do you have any recommendations on where actually you'd recommend to go? Yeah, what's a country you would actually recommend?

That's what I want to know. Or just a place. Where's a place you recommend to go? They're going to say Machu Picchu. That's not much. Man, that'll be sad if, like, the top things to do in South America, a Machu Picchu or nothing else. Nothing else.

They're gonna clown on me in San Mexico now because I fucking love to America. I'm an idiot. Yeah. What about like a like a Caribbean country? I would like to go to a Caribbean country. I would like to go to Caribbean. I would like to go to Jamaica.

That would be a lot of fun. It just seems fun. Yeah. Jamaica? Yeah. Yeah. The Caribbean seems awesome. Yeah.

Yeah. Caribbean countries would be dope. I mean I also want to go to like less beachy places as well because I feel like, you know, I've been to like Thailand enough times and I'm not going to come pair of silence like inland countries you mean yeah i i really want to see the more landlock countries yeah landloved no i want to like maybe you want to go like mongolian mongolia all valid um i want to go to like hey after that mongolian brand i want to go to mongolian we haven't said that on the podcast episode i don't know if it was breads i said it was whatever it was

there was this clip that fucking uh joey i don't know there's a clip i found on red it was like apparently it was titled like uh monkey Mongolian traditional dish being prepared and it's just like a guy smacking an ass cheek and it was just air coming out of the ass cheek I don't I don't want to go to Mongolia I don't know what the fuck it was but it had me giggling because it just looked ridiculous it looked absurd yeah I want to see the northern lights before yeah yeah I want to do that I've never seen the northern lights um yeah I mean I'm southeast Asian so when we went on holidays. We would avoid cold countries like the fucking play. We're like, oh, yeah, yeah. We are not built for this climate. We did not survive here. And now that I'm older, I'm like, yeah,

kind of a vibe. Is it because you guys didn't have like the winter clothes? Yeah, pretty much. Is it just like, we're like, this is not worth investing in a whole set of clothes. Do you know how expensive winter jackets are? Jesus Christ, I think I can afford that shit. Yeah, they're expensive. You know, everything I bought was like the, you know, you got hammy downs. I got like everything I bought was a hand from the fucking car boot sale. That was my fashion. You had a decent winter jacket from a car boot sale. Probably better than the Primark. I don't even if they sell winter jackets. No, Primark does not sell winter jacket. It wouldn't last long. It's like, okay, there's, okay, there's, there's like, there's like, you know, for British winters. And then there's

winter jackets for if you're actually going to go skiing or to an actual fucking country with a real winter. I mean, it's a bit different because you're like skiing, you need some, some, yeah, that's specialized gear. Because you need, like, shit that can roll in a, the snow can get like a bunch of wind chill because you're going to fat like that that's different I mean if you go to a cold place it won't feel as cold as when you're skiing because how what you're doing it's just very different

because I've got to cold places before and not needed the winter jacket because it's like oh you'll fucking manage I think I think what I want to do now that I've done quite a bit of traveling and I want to definitely do more traveling is like I just want to go to countries or places that are kind of unconventional

to go to in terms of like to Or like, you know, like a country where like you would never hear of anyone actually going to places like that. Why do you want to do that? I don't know. Just because I know so little about it. And I don't, I know barely any anecdotes of people going to those places. And I'm just, I just want to figure out for myself, really. Just being.

And it's also, maybe not North Korea. Yeah, you can get to North Korea. You know, I'm good. I'll stick to South Korea. I'll stick to South Korea. Well, like, you know, like, for example, like, I want to, you know, like, I've always said like, I've always wanted to like go to Antarctica or like Greenland. There's nothing to do in Antarctica.

Well, I don't know. I can tell you right now. I can tell you I do know. There is nothing. There's just one thing you can do in Antarctica and it's called survive. I want to do that though because how many people do you know other than Mr. Beast that has been to Antarctica, you know? Like I don't know. I feel like the problem is at that point when you go to Antarctica like how Mr. Beast did it.

everything you're doing is a guy who is an expert at this is just, is like toddlering you. He is doing everything for you. At that point it's like, you're not really getting that experience. And it's like when people like climb Everest, it's like, yeah,

because the fucking Sherper is carrying your ass. You've never be able to do this alone. Yeah, yeah. It's like, are you really that sense of accomplishment? It's like, does you really do it? Or there's a fucking Sherpa who's the goat who fucking save your ass did this for you? Yeah, you definitely did some of it.

And I think it's still valid that you fucking climb this mountain or whatever. But it's like, I think when you say like, I want to go to Antarctica, I'm like, man, I just, that doesn't make any sense to me. It's like, because you just, you're not doing anything. You're some guys taking care of you. Yeah, but I just, I just, you know, I'm, I'm one of those people that.

It's cool to say. Yeah, I'm one of those people that really values just having that experience, you know, like, whether it is like something that was like purely as, you know, because of my actions and my actions alone. It's just the fact that it's just a cool story you can tell, you know, like. So like, Madagasc. guy's another one where I'm just like I just want to fucking go just to see what's like. I think that would be cool. Yeah. Or like you know. You see Prince Julian? Yeah, I can see.

I want to know if the animals are still there. You know, is the zebra still there? I want to find out. Yeah. I mean, I don't know. This is, you know, definitely privileged to say, but I just like comfort. Unfortunately. Listen, if I, if I cannot shit comfortably, that's, that's like a, that's a big takeaway from that. Yeah. Like, I know some people, you know, like, you know, go into third world countries, just to appreciate all of the things that they have. I do appreciate that, and I'm going to continue appreciating that. But I appreciate it.

Scott, if I said this, I would get cash-strated by our audience. I appreciate it, but only through YouTube videos. Here's the thing. The reason I appreciate it is because I haven't exactly been to a third-world country, but I've been in the countryside of Thailand, which is like second-world country, right? It's not exactly, you know, third-world,

but I have stayed at some of my family's places, deep in the countryside of Thailand, where there's fucking nothing to do, there you shit in a hole, there is no flushable toilets or anything like that, and I'm like, yeah, I like comfort. I do, I do, guys, I do. I very much appreciate the comforts that I have,

and I'm gonna continue appreciating that I am luckily privileged. I do like my comforts. You know, I don't look for a lot of things. I just want a nice bed. I've slept on a hard floor for like when you know being a monk. I've I've done the fucking monk life. It's fucking great. It's spiritual.

You can learn a lot of things. I like having a bed, guys. Yeah, I mean, realistically, I mean, same. But like, realistically, I also don't think I could just like, you know, go to a third world country just like immediately like that without. I think it would be a lot easier in my case personally if like I kind of went step by step. Yeah. Like, you know, like, obviously, you know, first world and then like, you know, experience a bunch of second world countries and like the way that they live and the way that they like, you know, spend their lives. And then, you know, and then progressively go down to the world.

Like, I don't think I could just like fucking go to. When you said, sort of like it's like a like a hot side of the pool. It's like, I got to dip my toes. Yeah, yeah. And then I got to go full deep. I did. Like, as a child, you couldn't just like jump into the deep end. That shit was scary.

You know, you had to wade yourself into it. What blows my mind of these people who go to these like crazy dangerous countries? Yeah. Yeah. See, I can't do that. I've almost seen this guy, I can't probably well, but he kept getting stopped at like military checkpoints, but they were like militia, and they were just taking his passport

and stuff and he was like, do I get it back? And he's like, wait. And it's like, oh my God. Yeah, I don't think I can do that. I would just never want to be in a situation like when life is dependent on some dude with a gun. He's got an agenda. Like, I'm very open to like having new experiences in my life. But

you know, if I go to a place, I do want there to be, you know, the basic infrastructure of stuff that I'm kind of, like, familiar with. Yeah. Why are you laughing? That's so British of you. I want a day. I'm saying I want a bidet of where I go. That's...

The UK is a second world country because they have the lack of the days. I'm just, yeah. They don't go shit. Yeah. I just want a good place to have a nice meal as well that I can look forward to. That's all I... That's this list of countries is ever getting less or less. God, I should put America, Europe.

and some Asian countries. Yeah, I mean, you know, I'm happy. I'm comfortable, I'm comfortable. But I certainly, I've done enough traveling. I've put myself in enough experiences to know what I'm cool not experiencing, you know. That's fair. That's fair. Can't try to avoid cancellation 90%.

No, no, I think that's acceptable. It's valid. It's just one of those things where, like, you have to be careful how you say stuff like that, right? because obviously it can come off for us just being elitist or being like, fuck those guys. But I get it. I think you said it great though.

Yeah, yeah, totally. Yeah, I'm not trying to come off as elitist. I know, yeah. Listen, there's nothing wrong with wanting to be comfortable. Anyone who's, anyone who's ever like, who looks like me and goes and sees a standing toilet, I'm like, hell no.

And that's not even like bad by like a lot of standards, right? That's pretty like normal in a lot of countries. Like what are you complaining about? At least there's a toilet. Yeah, yeah. It's not a hole in the ground. A lot of, I know fucking a lot of British people who wouldn't fucking dare shit in a standing toilet.

They'd be like, hell no, I'll hold it. No. Yeah. No, I think, I think every person is allowed to have, you know, their standards for travel. And, you know, I think there's no real, like, reason to be judgmental about that because that's, that's, that's, that's, that's whatever. I don't think you actually stand while you shit in that. I know that you, you, you, you have to squat.

I'm just going, like, release. Like, yeah. Do you know, do you know, okay, because I think sometimes it's just like the simple thing. Do you know what it was? So when I became a monk, right? I think the hardest, like, period of that was like the first week where you either like fully commit or it just kind of like breaks you and you're just like, no, I want comfort in my life, you know? Like the thing that like got me this close to my breaking points, cold showers. Oh, they are killer.

That'll do it. But apparently you get used to them pretty quickly. I've never done it. but apparently you can, you get adjusted to it. I don't want to get adjusted to it. I never did. No, no. I got adjusted to sleeping on a concrete floor, actually, without a pillow. That was actually, you know, that was something that I adjusted to do pretty quickly.

I never got used to coach hours. That was like, yeah. I was a monk. I would quit after three days and then just chill out in the city for a few months. And then come back to my family, like, dude, it was crazy. It was so fun. It's, yeah, the whole praying part was really sick. Uh, yeah, like, it was, it was, like, cold showers if I go to a place and we had one place in our America tour that had a broken shower as well.

That wasn't just broken. That was like a horror shower. Yeah. It was, and I don't know if we said this on the episode, but like, it was on the fourth floor of a building that had no elevator. And the, every single floor. When was that again? It was in L.A. Every single floor you go higher.

It got more derelict and, like, depressed. I forgot about it. And the floor with the shower was had cobwebs everywhere. No light. Yeah. There's no light bulbs. Yeah. And when you get in the shower room, it's just this small concrete little alleyway that's like narrowing towards the shower.

It's really creepy. And then just a military like bed propped up on the side of the wall. And then you go in the shower and it's fucking freezing. Yeah. Ribbling. Yep. And so you're like in this fucking cold ass dribbling shower and then you want to get out of it and you can't even. dry yourself properly because the floor is so dirty and you can't step out because

there's no fucking matter any it was horrible yeah yeah yeah this is this is one of the most expensive cities in the world I remember I just took one look and I was like yeah I'm just gonna stay smelly like I don't know why I was like I have shower yeah regret it so much yeah yeah that was the moment that almost like I'm never touring again like this really yeah yeah after I had a fucking that broke me yeah that actually broke me that shower I was like I actually actually made me want to not tour anymore. I'm done. Yeah. Damn. Which is, uh, which you know, you know, that at the time, uh, it almost broke. But it didn't break us because we did a Europe tour.

Yeah. No cold showers in the Europe tour. The showers in the Europe tour. The showers are the great. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, exactly. It was great. That's, that's all I need. Just give me, like, a nice hot shower, get my day started. That's why, okay, here's the thing. Uh, I don't know if we've told the story, but when we did our Japan road trip, it was either me or Manu that was always late to every to everything. And the reason is we like we, I needed a shower

to wake up. That was like... But why can't you take short showers, can't? That, okay, you need, you can't just have a short shower. You actually can't. I can do it one minute shower. I can be in and out 60 seconds. That doesn't count. That doesn't count. You know, you know what you know when you can get clean? You know, you know

when you are, you know how soap applies? Do you know when, it's not about getting clean? It's, it's It's not about getting clean. It is not about getting clean. It is factually just about getting. It is why we shower. God, that is. Okay, that is why we shower.

That is one of the reasons. That's not the, like, the only reason. God, that's the, that's the reason why I take showers before I go to bed so that I can take my time with my shower. If I needed to have a shower in the morning, it's always going to be quick. I literally had a 40 second shower, I think, today. Oh, my God. I can't imagine.

No. No way. Couldn't be me. 40 seconds. I think I ran the shower longer to heat it up than I was actually in it. Oh, I literally sped run it. I was like water armpits, soap, full course, done. You wake up first thing and you're just like, you just let the water run and you're just like, all right.

You're just getting ready for the day? There was like six of us waiting to use one shower and God's like, well, God's gone in. All right, guys, we'll give up on a shower. I mean, I could ask you, what's the point of taking a bath? Bath is just less efficient showers I completely agree with you there, Garn. And I'll do that if I have the time, which is the key factor here, which we did not have the time on the Japan special.

Yeah, the other thing that pissed us off during the Japan trip was not the fact that you were taking long showers. It was the fact that it was like, okay, so meeting at the lobby, we're going to leave early, it's like 8.30, you know, 8.30 meet up at the lobby. And Gant's like, perfect. I'll start my shower at 830. Okay, so I was getting to this. So you should never room me with.

Manu ever again because we have like the same mentality because I was like the reason I was starting my shower 8 30 was because Manu was taking a 15 minute shower I'm gonna call gone out out of all three of us gone is always late to everything yeah now he's on his own time zone no I don't know uh there was just average 15 minutes fucking hell that's a that's a four course okay that makes sense mine mine is roughly 10 to 15 I normally do five five I'm like 10 minutes Okay, anyway, Gahn is always late to everything. But it's not like super late. It'll be just always be five or ten minutes late.

Consistently five to ten minutes late to everything. Why are you never on time, Gant? What's your reason? Because I need those showers in the morning. No, you can't always use this excuse. You can't always use this. Even when we're meeting up for like a dinner or something. You're always ten minutes late.

Why God? I don't know. We actually, we've made like a jerk. I don't know if we've actually ever told you this guy. We all make a joke that we're like, whatever the time is, tell Garn at 15 minutes earlier, so that Garn shows up on time. Do you know this? I have gone notice.

We've done this a few times for trashcase recordings where it's like, okay, so 11 at the office tomorrow, right? It's like, okay, great. It's like, all right, Nabi, tell Garn to meet at 1045. And then you get there at 11. It's funny. Like, I like, I'm more likely to be on time if I, I, I'm more likely to be on time if I, have to like travel far to a place. Yes, I know this. I know this.

Yeah, I've noticed this about you. If it's, if I'm like really close to a place or if I know I can get there anytime, something my brain's just like, ah, you can. No, I understand. Yeah, I do this too. But when I have to like schedule it out, I'm like, okay, I need to be there fucking half an hour early. Yeah, but what annoys us the most is like, say we're meeting up at the office at 11, right?

And then, you know, Connor or I will like text the group being like, go where you are? And then you'd be like, I'm getting ready. And I'm like, when we said 11, we don't mean start getting ready at 11. We mean get your ass here by 11. Okay, so normally on office days, I do have like that 10 o'clock meeting, which might have played like a big factor. Yeah.

But I was like, I'll be honest, guys. I'm trying to like do this efficiently for me. This is a me thing. I'm like, so we all have to have like weekly geeks plus meetings. And I'm like, let's do it like an hour before a trash chase. me think, you know, the boys will understand, you know, I'm trying to do this efficiency run. But I stick by the showers, okay?

I'm like that, I'm like, you know, I'm like a fucking Windows computer that doesn't have like an SD drive, you know, I, I, you switch it on and you need like 15, like 5, 15 minutes in the shower, just like boot up. Do you say SD drive? Solid state drive, yeah, sorry. Yeah, yeah. I'm on like the old fucking hard drive, you know, the fucking mechanical. I'm like really loud ones.

I'm like, see like the Windows XP logo and you're like, all right, you need a bit of time to wake up to get the day started. Sharing for less than five minutes may not be long enough to cleanse your body

and can cause back. Yeah, if I get a minute shower's bad. I'm sure I get an answer that agrees with me. Listen, I'm not saying it's ideal, but if you gotta do it, you gotta do it, all right? Because let's be honest, we're just trying to get rid of the stink,

mostly if we're dirty, you know what I mean? But a lot of the time we're just trying to get rid of the smell of you, you know? Yeah, but it's 40 seconds enough to get rid of the smell. I think if you soap up. Not sure about that, truth. Shows are sacred and you will never take that away from me.

I would love a shower, but sometimes you have to do a one-minute shower. No, because I shower before I go to bed, like a sane person. I can't win, can I? I give a reasonable rationale as to why you might have to do a short shower. I can take all the time I want. I'm going to bed. I'm not going to be like, fuck, I need to go to bed. 40 seconds in the shower.

No longer. I just want to get a gold split sometimes, okay? I need to be in bed on the dot. I'm gonna do my new, my new goal in life is to do the quickest possible shower. I need to time it. It's just speed rush. Yeah, it's literally from the moment you step in. It's like how quickly can I do it?

Pre-sleeping must not be allowed, right? Yeah, yeah, yeah. The shower 80% no skips. Also got to be with a block of soap. With a block of soap. That just seems more exciting. That could be definitely be a speed running. And dropping the soap is an instant loss.

That's a run dead. Call it for the Summingsall video. All right. But that has been this episode of Trash Tase. God, I can't wait for the comments. Which shower are you? Are you a Connor? Are you a Joey or are you a Gant?

I like launch. I just don't have... No, I'm not going to do. No. Let's not get into it. The thing. All right. Hey, look at these patrons, though.

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