Trash Taste Podcast - The Anime That Shaped Our Childhoods | Trash Taste #3

Episode Date: June 19, 2020

Joey (TheAnimeMan), Garnt (Gigguk) and Connor (CDawgVA) discuss the anime that shaped their childhoods. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

Funny that you say like the school days like Mal is either like a 10 or a dude. Yeah, I was definitely one of those people who put it as a day. I know you did, you piece of shit. Cause, because I know exactly what my- What is going on here? School Day sucks. Welcome to Trash Tase Episode 3. I'm your host, Connor Seedog and we have the hentai man as always.

That's me. And the anime zone. Man, you went straight in there, dude. I had to, I had to. You were like, no bullshit. Okay, let's just get this done, guys. There was like no late prefix whatsoever. It's like, this is trash taste. episode three, I'm your host.

All right, let's go. What else, I mean, that's how you start. Then we get into the topic. Yeah, but you gotta have like, can we, we need to come up with like some kind of like, you know, like how good musical morning does it? Yeah. Like that, let's talk about that.

Like, we gotta have something like that. I was going to, you interrupted me with the, you know. What? I didn't interrupt you with anything. I was gonna say your names, then the topic is gonna be smooth as far. There was no pre-fix to interrupt. No, no, exactly, right?

Wow, wow, okay, my turn now. Okay, well, then. This is my time to shine. Go for it. What I would like to discuss today with you gentlemen is your anime origin story, if you will. How did you get into anime?

And how, you know, you discovered that you were gonna go down this rabbit hole of never coming back. This beautiful medium that we all love and hate at the same time. Yeah. You know who would like to go first? I mean, do you wanna go first, Joe?

Because I feel like you have the most unique, most likely. Yeah. Probably the pressure on me already. Probably our volus. Yeah, okay. I'm having to follow up. his story is gonna be fun, but I mean, it's not exciting.

Whatever. I mean, yeah, I guess like mine is unique in the sense that like, would you say I'm the only Anituber that has like grown up with anime? Like, and when I say grown up, I mean like from like age of like conceptual thought. Age of conceptual thought. I think just being raised in a household to the Japanese parent, probably has an immediately different attitude towards anime than one that we would experience.

in like Western. Right, because like, you know, when most people say, like, oh, I grew up with anime, like, and it was my childhood. Like, you know, that usually starts like, age, like, you know, 12, maybe 10, right? I mean, the real question is, did you know what anime was growing up?

I mean, that's all I ever knew. Yeah, exactly, right? Okay, so when you were you growing up, in your head, even at like age five or six, there was a clear distinction between, like, Pokemon and like, I don't know, like, like, Cartoon Network shows. Like, that was a difference, right?

There's a difference, right? Yeah, like you knew that they wanted them as Japanese. Yeah, yeah. Because like I, because unlike a lot of kids in Australia and like probably around my age group, I grew up watching Pokemon and like Dragon Ball in Japanese. I've thought Pokemon was an American cartoon. And a lot of people did.

My mind was blown at like age 10 when I heard the Japanese version because it's on YouTube clips, right? And you're like, oh wait, this is the original? Yeah. How? Because to me, Pokemon, when I was growing up, just seemed like this very, very, weird genre. Like I couldn't put my finger on it.

But I felt like it was a genre. Like it was Pokemon, Digimon, card captor Sakra, which was card captors in the UK and America. Yeah, yeah, it was just called Cardcaptors. Sakura, that's two Asian sound. Get rid of that. No, no, it wasn't even Sakura, it's Sakura.

And the other girl was like, they changed her name to Madison, I think. I can't remember what her original name was, but this is back in the age of like four kids dubbing. I don't think it was even four kids that dubbed. card captor sacchar. But it was in the day that, you know, localization was a thing.

We were eating jelly donuts. Is it like, I couldn't believe that the first time. Because you know, like being, as you said, like growing up in an Asian household, Japanese household, onigiri was just like the most like normal concepts I've ever seen. Yeah, exactly. Right?

It's like, you know. It's like, you know, like, yeah, as you said, it's like bread. It's like watching an American cartoon like Dexter's like like a scene of them making toast, for example. And it gets overdubbed into Japanese, like, you know, I'm making a rice ball. A flat rice ball.

I think it's just because at that time, I remember a lot of my friends just didn't really know the concept of just eating rice. Like if you weren't Asian, you're like, why would you eat rice with every meal? That doesn't make sense. Right, right? I think I can remember that my family thinking like rice

was like exotic, isn't that? Really? I mean, it was something you had with like foreign foods. Yeah. You don't really eat rice. But like that's on the contrary though, right? Like do you eat bread with everything? Because at least in Japan, the concept of eating bread

with everything is like, why? I feel like at least in British culture, you could put bread with anything. Like you get away with it. I guess like the food culture of that country revolves around it. Anyway, we're getting off topic. We're getting off-top of it. Yeah, but so like basically like I grew up,

like watching Pokemon and like, What else can I remember watching? I guess like before that though, like before Pokemon or anything like that or you know before I started watching like One Piece or like Dragon Ball or like all the Sean and Jump stuff. Like Japanese kids grow up with this like very certain array of like kids anime.

Yeah. Which is just absolutely not known overseas at all. Doraimon. Doraimon's probably like the most well known but like you don't like see an antituber like reviewing Doraimon. Episode 5,000 review Doraima. Let's go. Right. Or like, you know, like one series that I grew up watching

like alongside Doraymon was this show called Sazai-San. Yeah. Which is like the longest running. Longest running anime ever. Yeah. And nobody outside of Japan has heard of it. I didn't know about it until you, I was having a conversation with you.

I mean, just the point of perspective, it, my mom grew up watching that show. And I grew up watching that show. So it's been going on since like the 60s and I think there's like 5,000 episodes or something. It's still going to stay. I don't know how. Like, I don't know.

Like, because like it's really weird because the concept of that show is like, it's just revolving around this family living in Japan and it's just like the most like normal ass slice of life show that I've ever seen. But I also think to myself like, how can you come up with like 40 years worth of topics and not be like, oh maybe we did cover this topic

like 25 years ago in one of those episodes? There must be episodes that overlap. Like I feel you can't make that many episodes and not overlap. I mean, they probably could overlap, but no one's gonna be bothered to like, like, cross-road. No one's, no one's rewatching.

that show, right? It's one of those things, if it's on TV, you watch it, right? It's like, ah, they covered this topic in episode 1,743. You know there's one super fan in Japan that's just seen every episode. Of course, yeah. And just knows everything about every episode.

Yeah, that seems to be, Sazai San? And Doraimon seemed to be the one thing where if you ask anyone in Japan, do you watch anime, they'll be like, oh, yeah, Doraimon. Yeah, I grew up with Doraemon. Yeah, and then I'm like, oh, I meant like, you know, the other anime.

Right, right. Like anime, anime, anime. Yeah, like there's a distinction. There's no boobs in that. What the fuck? I don't want to imagine Doraimon with the other. Oh my God. No, God.

That exists somewhere on the incident. Please don't. But like watching Doraimon and like Sazai's son and like I could list off a number of shows but no one would probably know. But like there's just like a certain number of shows that I think like it's just become tradition now no matter what generation or like

if you're born and raised in the city or the middle of nowhere, every kid growing up watching these like really specific set of shows. Yeah. And that's just like normal to them. You know, that's like watching, you know, a pepper pig. Yeah, yeah, yeah, it's just like, you don't even think about like, oh yes, it's a cartoon. Yeah. Like it's just something on the TV, yeah.

Right. And then yeah, like I guess like the concept of like anime, anime didn't hit me until maybe like, I always start when I started watching like One Piece and like Dragon Ball and like probably around like the Pokemon time. So I reckon when I was like five or six years. Oh my God. So, so when you, when you, you started realizing what anime is

and probably gets into it, that's when probably we started to watch our first anime, which was Pokemon, which was Dragon Wars. But like in my head, I'm like, yeah, Pokemon is an anime and like Samurai Jack is a cartoon. Yeah. Because at that time, like, around like five or six years old, that's when I started like watching like Cartoon Network. And I'd like to think that we grew up

in like the golden age of Cartoon Network. I mean, I'd say so. We had Samurai Jack. We had Samurai Jack, like Dexter's Lab, Cow and Chicken, Ed and Eddie, like so many amazing shows. And to me it's like, okay, things on Cartoon Network are cartoons. Yeah. But things that are on like the VHS tapes

that my grandma would send to me, is anime. It's anime. Yeah. So for me there was like a really clear distinction. So like I didn't have like one day this sudden realization they're like, oh shit, Dorimon is an anime. Yeah. Because it was just so natural to me.

See, I don't even remember when I got that realization, because I think I must have got it when I properly started getting into anime with Naroto, was my first anime anime. And that was purely because I just kept seeing avatars and gifts on the internet and I was like, this kind of looks like Dragon Ball Z,

which I grew up on, which that cartoon that I was really into. Do they have ridiculously spiky hair? Yeah, probably the same thing. Exactly, right? Yeah, I think, because I was on the internet way before I started watching anime, and I think obviously being on the internet, you see a lot of anime.

And I was just thinking like, what is this shit? Like, what, what, I'm just trying to play Roonscape. Why are they talking about this stuff? Like, I don't get it. All I knew is that their opinion didn't matter because they had profile, anime profile pictures.

Which I guess still is like, it's a timeless thing. That's just a meme now that. It's generational now, it's generational. Oh man, I mean, Pokemon was the first one for me. I must have been like, God, I mean, Pokemon was always one of my favorite shows. I think we've mentioned this in like episode zero

or something, that it had like an overarching story, which you only really got, you didn't really get it actually. in any except for like Avatar, but that came way later. Like in old, like, 90s. Do you just call Avatar and anime? Or like cartoons, sorry, I was comparing to cartoon.

I was about to fucking... Because like, you know, you don't watch Courage the cowardly dog for the overarching story, right? Like you watch it because it's like, every episode's great and you have a good time. But then I remember Pokemon was like, oh, whoa, they're like actually like working towards something. Yeah, I think as well, like that era of anime as well,

like unlike a lot of cartoons, it was like, yes, there was like episodic moments but as you said, there was like an overall story. Even if it was a filler, you knew they were like, they had a goal. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. And that seemed to be the case where that kind of structure really like spoke to me as it, for whatever reason,

I really enjoyed that as a kid, and then Yu-Gi-Huio had the same thing. And then I thought, huh, well, all these things with all the spiky head people, and they're really like well-drawn things. Like, I like these kind of cards. It's so weird though for me, at least with Yu-Gi-Yo, is that I didn't know Yu-Gio was an anime,

because I grew up with the card game first, Really? Yeah, same, same. I got the card game and then watch the anime. Yeah, right? Because everyone in your school was playing Yu-Gi-Yo. Yeah, I didn't get that phase. I didn't get that Yu-Gi-o phase.

We had, because when I was in school, everyone was like trading Pokemon cards and nobody knew how to play the actual game. Oh, no, no, no, no. No one did. We had like a black market, like, trade deal with Pokemon cards. I had like, I had like a really dark, like, you-go phase because like, I was like,

I was legit like, fucking, my dad, because my dad, used to work for like a printing company. So what he would do is he would find like high res like pictures of Exodia. Oh no. My parents did that one time as well. And he would like print them out

and I would come to school and I'd be like, yeah I got all five pieces of Exodia. And I'd be like, a 10 year old doesn't know, right? So like, whoa, no way, you got Exodia? But it was funny as well because like much like your Pokemon cards, no one knew how to play YuGio. It was just like, oh cool, you have Exodia. Because I feel like the rules of Yu-Gue

were easier to understand. Oh yeah, yeah. Yeah. Pokemon's hard. Yeah, because I did like, I don't think anyone in my school played the Pokemon card game. Just collect them. Yeah, you just collected them, right?

You had like, it was easy to understand, you had a shiny, and you just- Charzard? Like, you get Charzards? Well, that's the thing though, right? It's like, in order to play the Pokemon card games, you needed to, like, not throw away the energy cards. Which no one wanted, no one wanted.

Everybody was like no energy cards, like that. Which like my school, like, in my school, everyone was just like, yeah, Got, got, got, haven't got. That was just lunchtime every day at my school. Yeah, yeah, because I started to realize that I really liked anime when everyone got into Pokemon when we had the Pokemon card game phase as well.

So it was just like a global craze. And then how long did that last? That lasted like a year or something, right? Well, I think- Or like a few months. The year I was born in 1996, I think Pokemon was the most Googled thing of that year. Because the game had just came out.

It just came out and obviously since that point onwards, through the mid 2000s, it's pretty insane. Pokemon was like, and arguably still today is one of the biggest like, you know. Yeah, because I just kept watching Pokemon even after everyone had like, even when the crazy had gone. And my mom was, my mom and my dad wondering, was like, why is this kid still into Pokemon?

What the fuck is going on? No, I had the same thing, my parents were like, they were like worried for me. They were like, should we like, do we need to like do something about this? Like, he's still like, I'm like watching cartoons, and my older brother had like forgone cartoons.

It was like a sign of pride that he'd stop watching cartoons. He was like, I only watch reality TV show now with my parents, I don't watch this kid show. I watch MTV but not for the music. Yeah, yeah. And I fucking loved like, you know, Samurai Jack, like I would always try and watch Samurai Jack,

like, Cary's Catholic Dog anime as well. And my parents genuinely like were concerned for me. I don't know if they still are concerned for me. I imagine that a little bit. I think much less so now that you've made when you're made. Yeah, that's the exact point. That's point because all the way up to university

and when I've rediscovered what anime was, my parents were like, he's doing it again. We thought we were past this fucking face. When they found out I was watching like more anime than ever, they were like even more concerned. They were like, whoa, he's gone even harder into this. We thought it would stop. I remember my dad, like the funniest thing my dad ever said,

I think I was in like, like, maybe the last year of high school. And that was like when I was like, hot, this was right before I made my YouTube turn, right? I was watching every anime ever. And my dad would be like, what are you doing in your room? Because he thought I was doing something else. And when I told them that I was watching anime, I remember my dad saying like, okay,

at this point, I think I'd rather you just do drugs. Like I would have been less disappointed if I found that you were doing drugs in your room. Which one's more life crushing? Arguably, they're both around the same. Yeah, exactly right. Yeah, but like, I don't know, like, I guess like, I don't really have like a face

of like when I discovered anime or anything because as long as I've known. Oh, I do. Yeah, because like even manga as well, like I started reading manga like around the same time that I discovered Doraimon, which is probably around when I was like four or five years old. Oh damn, she's been reading manga since four or five.

Probably, maybe earlier than that. But I specifically remember the first ever volume of manga ever got was volume two of Doraimon. I don't know why my mom didn't get me volume one of Doraimon. That would have been cooler. But like I didn't know that it was like an overarching story. So I was like, okay, I'll just start reading this. Had no idea what the fuck was going on at first.

Until I got volume one, and I was like, oh, now it makes sense, okay. Wow, man, I feel like my anime thing was like, there's three points in my life where like I was, I can vague, like, very vividly remember watching anime. First was like Pokemon, you know, occasionally seeing a Yu-Gio episode of the cards. Yeah. But I think maybe when I got access to like the internet,

I think that's when another one came, because I remember watching like, Yukio, I think it was GX. Right. Like parts, three parts. The three parts on YouTube. I knew, no. I know if someone's like an OG anime fan because they're like, oh yeah, don't you hate it

when you find an Espaniel sub of your one? Okay, so envision it right? It's 2000, right? You watch episode one, part one of Yu-Gio. And you're like, okay, cool, I'm gonna watch episode one part two. You click it, it's the next recommended video. It's in Espaniel.

What do you do? Do you just keep looking or do you just give up and go to the next part? I remember so many times I had to do that and I was confused as far. The worst, I think the, what's worse than that is when you like could someone uploads like a full anime movie onto YouTube,

but because it had to be split into like eight parts. Oh no. Oh no. And like always, always like either like part six or part five. Always one of them, always fucking one part. There's always one part that was missing and you couldn't find it. So you just had to give up and just be like,

all right, I'll just skip 15 minutes and just hopefully try and catch up. Yeah, I think there's 15 minutes of the first Narito movie that I've just never seen because I've watched it on YouTube. It's just, I don't know what's happened. It might be the best, 15 minutes of narrative history.

I don't fucking know because I haven't seen it. Because it was like the max upload time was 10 minutes on YouTube right before. Yeah, so that's why I was split into three. Yeah, and I remember that was like the one of the biggest face of me. And the third part would always just be like five minutes or something.

Yeah, yeah. There was the outro, half of it. Yeah. Oh man, yeah. No, that was like definitely a big phase for me and I could have been around 13, 14 at that point. Question to you then, did you grow up during the Tunaimi phase? Because I feel like Tunaimi is, has played so, such a big factor into making the anime fans of today.

No, I, for some reason, we, didn't we have Tunei in the UK? We did, we did, we did, but you needed Sky TV. So you needed Cartoon Network to be able to watch TNami. So Sky is like basically cable in the UK. Wait, you guys didn't get Cartonetainware No, no, no, no, no, no, you had to pay for Cartoonet Network.

Really? Because I'm pretty sure in Australia was free to be. Oh wow, yeah, because I remember my parents paid, because my dad wanted to pay for the football matches in the UK, and you basically got the whole bundle. So I would watch the cartoon and I remember there was like, there was loads of cartoons,

I never saw anime. I think it was airing really late. And by there my parents were like, why aren't you in bed, son? What are you doing? What was on Tune Army? It was like Dragon Ball Z, Gundam Wing. I remember seeing Dragon Ball, never watched it there

because I just, it was always a mess because they aired it out of order, so I didn't know what was going on to. I thought it was cool, but I couldn't get into it. Yeah, I think Dragon Ball Z and Gunding were the only two I was able to watch whenever, because our family didn't have Sky TV, so I could, I only watch it when I go to my cousin's house and I'll be watching episodes out of order.

Gundam Wing made no fucking sense to me. Gundam Wing still makes no sense. You could watch Gunnui in order and it'll still make no sense. Like I'd be watching a scene and for some reason the guy wants to kill this girl but the girl still wants to get with the guy makes no fucking sense to me as a kid.

You know, Gunnambuings already confusing enough as it is. Dragon Ball Z was okay because I could just watch, I could skip five episodes and they'd be the same fight. It'd be still the same. You know, Goku would just be like three steps closer to freezer.

Because I remember like I would have you watching these scenes in Dragon Ball Z and Goku was like powering up the spirit bomb and then I'd go, I'd not be able to go to my cousins till like two weeks later. And then Goku was still powering up a spirit bomb. So I was like, oh, this is just the next episode. No, it was like, I missed like three, four episodes and it was just still the same shit.

And to this day he's still powering it up. It still hasn't finished. Man. If he hasn't died for the 17th. Yeah, come back to life. Because my exposure to anime has got, like now that I think back to it, there's the main phases of like the Pokemon phase.

And then there's the Tunei phase where I'd see it on Tunei and TV. And then there was this huge gap. I had the exact same thing. Yeah, and then I did, like, I realize now that in this huge gap, I still had like small exposures to anime, like, whenever I go to Thailand, we'd always have these shitty, shitty Thai dubs.

Like, like Ultraman was, was like a massive in Thailand, even though that's not an anime, but we'd have like Dragon Ball Z dubs. And man, listening to Thai dubs, they've only got five voice actors and actresses, and they voice every character in every anime. I respect it, I respect it.

We gotta play an episode on you. I just wanna hear it. Anyone who's grown up in Southeast Asia knows what I'm talking about when you have five voice actors who plays every character in every show. show and then my cousin showed me, I think it was Princess Mononoke just as it came out. I didn't know it was animated, just like was this animated film. I thought it was Disney.

How old are you when you watch Princess Mononoke? I mean, it came out in 97. Yeah. Oh, damn. I must have been like, like it was the year after it came out because it was on DVD. It's a pretty gruesome movie to watch. Yeah, yeah, yeah. That was the first Ghibli movie I watched. Yeah, like I thought, I thought that That movie was just Disney. And then just before I discovered Naroto and everything like that, I went through the LimeWire phase. Oh, yes, of course.

Yeah, yeah. Just for music though. I didn't, no, no, just for music. Same here, right? So I would be browsing LimeWire for music. I'd probably like downloading Lincoln Park or Paparoch or something like that. As you do in 2004.

As you do in 2004. And then something else, like, you know sometimes you download a file And it's not the file you aim for. You mean every file on line wire? The Bill Clinton file? Oh my God. Oh my God.

So good. So in limewire, someone was just circulating Bible black clips. Oh, yeah. The dub? Yeah, the dub. It was the dub as well. I never knew that Bible Black was a Japanese anime. Because I'm just like, what is this shitty porn

that I'm watching? As a kid, I'm like, It's kinda hot though. It's kinda. Holy fuck, this is fucking amazing. That's exactly how Arkey discovered it as well. Like she said in multiple videos that like, going through LimeWale, obviously looking

for the new Lincoln Park album. You just trust people, right? And it was the tentacle scene of Bible Black and she's like, this is like, she had like an epiphany. She was like, this is the most amazing thing ever. I can't imagine though, like because that, I don't even remember, I don't wanna get onto the topic, but like I don't remember how I discovered that side.

People like, get on the topic. Yeah, no, because because, because, I didn't, I obviously didn't know it was hentai. Or I didn't even know it was anime. Right. But holy shit, I'm having a fucking epiphany now. Bible Black wasn't the only hentai I downloaded on there.

Oh my God, like, because I remember I remember downloading full length and, uh, no, hentai that came out in the 90s. I can't remember the name. But I, why are you downloading full length hentai, because I, like you say, you're just downloading random files. And I got one of these files that I downloaded.

was this hentai that, I can't remember the title, had angel in the name. There's a lot of 19- Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. I had an angel in the name. I'm like, what if I just put this title into line wire and see what comes up? And there were like six titles that came up.

So as a kid, I'm like, I'm downloading all of this. How to destroy your laptop? Speed run. Did you ruin any laptops or PCs? Oh, yeah. I blamed it on my brother and he totally got blamed for it, but it was totally me, the first laptop.

I couldn't blame it on anyone because I'm the oldest in the family. So, I think that I would have been, I think the reason why, and I just realize this now, because I was wondering, what the fuck was I doing between like 13 and 18? Yeah, I couldn't think about it. And I just realized I was like cripplingly, like,

addicted to Xbox. Like, I, it was like every second I got free, I was playing Call of Duty. Like, that was like, because you were with your friends as well, right? And that's like the golden age of like playing games where you had to play with your friends after school. It was like, immediately, when you were like, I was done, I'd go home, play games until I had to go to bed.

And that was like the golden age of a chord as well. Oh my god, that was perfect. Yeah, like, modern warfare too. Came out when I was like, like 15, 16, which is like the perfect time to play it. I think I had an age, like a gap as well that I didn't watch anime and it was around the same time. I know exactly why I wasn't, but I'm not gonna say it because it's probably not appropriate for you. But oh God. You can take a guess as to what that might be.

Yeah. But weirdly enough, even though like during that gap until like probably the last year of like high school. I was still reading manga like religiously. Yeah. So I don't know what it is. It's like I had this burnout with anime or maybe just like a loss of interest with anime.

But for some reason manga was like always one thing that I would just come home and just read the shit out of. Pretty just a little more engaging almost. You have to like actively make an effort. Probably. Yeah. And also because I just like reading in general, I think. So I mean a question to you guys,

what drew you to anime over like Carty or other things, like what drew you to this medium specifically? As a child or like- As a kid and growing up as well? For me, it was just the fact that my mom would just push it a lot because it was the, she knew that it was the easiest way for me to keep my Japanese. God, I'm so fucking jealous.

Yeah, I'm so, every time I realized Joey was born on Japanese house, speak Japanese, God, I, like, like my mom knew that like if I just kept talking to her in Japanese, it would most likely stick, but she wanted me to like not just be like competent in Japanese. Like appreciate the whole culture. Really like yeah, not just appreciate the culture but also like excel in Japanese.

Yeah, yeah, yeah. And like thank God because now I think I have. Yeah. And like, you know, I have learned to like appreciate the culture and just anime in general and the language. And like I did like, you know, learn a fuck ton of Japanese. Even though I say in a lot of videos, don't use anime to learn Japanese.

Yeah. I kind of help them admit I learned a lot of Japanese from watching I mean, any amount of language that you take in to learn, like if you're watching anything in a language, it's good, you know, it'll help. Like, is it the best way? I feel like as a kid, you just absorb it through osmosis or something like, oh yeah, you do.

You know what I mean? Yeah. Like I remember learning Thai just because I was, like, whenever I'd go to Thailand, I would just, I would just absorb it whenever I was talking to my family or just watching TV shows. Did you learn any Thai from the Thai dubs of drag?

Oh, I'd love to her a Kamekamiha in Thai. It's probably the same. No, it's the same. It's the same. It's just very bad quality. It's kind of like, I don't know, there wasn't a lot of money put into the dubbing industry, I reckon, so.

Back then as well. Exactly. Still not that much, do you fair. Yeah, to be true, yeah. So we all know a second language then purely because we were just raised in the area where it was spoken. But the thing as well was when you were a kid, you know, you have way more time to just sit there

and absorb it. When you're an adult, it's like, I get 10 minutes a day on dueling, well, maybe, right? Whereas a kid, it's like eight hours of just you're hearing this stuff. So obviously you're gonna pick it up. I mean, I was just like, like, from as far as I can remember with my childhood,

like the only memories I have is just like, either watching anime, reading manga, or like watching cartoon. Right, right, right. Yeah. So already just from that, like two thirds of my childhood essentially is me just absorbing the Japanese language in like any way possible. So I think that just helped me a fuck.

Like if I never got into anime or manga, I would like to think that I would be nowhere near as good at the language as I am now. I think definitely for me when I was watching anime, the thing that appealed to me, especially my younger age, is that, like I said earlier, like there's more of a structure, right? And there's always an overarching point

and there's normally a journey to go on. And also I felt like, you know, I mean, this wasn't a problem back then with our cartoons, you know, the ones that we grew up with, but I felt like anime didn't treat the audience stupid, you know, like if you're like 16, 18, you know, maybe you don't want to watch Pokemon, but you can still appreciate it and enjoy it.

Right, right, right. And I felt that like some, cartoons. I mean, you can watch Samurai Jack any age, right? There was a lot when I was growing up. They were very treated you as a kid, right? Whereas Pokemon was like, you're a teenager. You're going on a journey. You're gonna catch Pokemon.

And it was so cool to like imagine yourself as that. Like it sounds dumb. How old was Ash again? 10. 10, but I mean, but I mean, he had a shit together for a 10 year old, right? No, he did. And Rock is like 35 or something like. I'm like, why is he hanging out with this kid?

Like, what the fuck? Like, can you imagine a mom just letting a 10 year old go off to the fucking world by himself with a fucking rat to keep him company? I mean, wasn't the whole joke that like the mom sent her off so that she could like having a fair with Professor Oak? Like, wasn't that the whole thing? Just Brock commits crimes and like,

yeah, I guess that was really irresponsible of us to let him go with a 35 year old man. And how's like Misty Oakee with like Ash hanging out when like this 10 year old kid like throws your bike into a river and it's like, I'll pay you back. How also, as like a 10 year old, do you have any concept? of Brock constantly hitting on people.

What do you, how do you like perceive that? Like what is that to you as a 10-year-old? Imagine being Brock and just leaving your family and your job to like follow this 10-year-olds. He just totally ditched his job. He did, so irresponsible. Remember he missed he though. He had a massive family as well.

Like, what the fuck are you doing, Brock? You had like 10 brothers and sisters. What are you doing? Needless to say, that kind of reckless behavior really appealed to me as a kid, you know? I'm just up and leaving my family that I was supporting with my job. Leaving my family for what to follow this 10 year old

so I can go slay some puss. It's like strangely reminiscent of like Hesoka from hunter hunter, it's like grown man just wants to follow a kid around, see him grow. The biggest thing for me though with like Pokemon that just made no sense to me is how Gary Oak is like essentially the same age as Ash and yet he can get like all this puss.

Is it bad that like I actually like liked Gary more than Ash? And I loved it when he was a dick to Ash. So I'm like yeah, You should be catching Pokemon, Ash. Because he was actually achieving the goal of trying to become a Pokemon master. You know what?

You know, I feel like as a kid, maybe you appreciate Ash more, but as an adult, you're like, you know, Gary's kinda got a shit together. Gary's achieving his dream. No, no, yeah. Yeah, it was cool that you saved that Butterfree and reunited him, Ash, but like.

But Gary has 10 bags. They're not even 10 badges in the game. Did Butterfree start a patron and pay your bills? No, he didn't. Go and get a job, Ash. Gary's on like a gold split speed runner this entire shit. He was doing 80% Pokemon,

or not he was the thing. Any percent it like getting all the pusses. Yeah, he was doing it all. Like that man, that man did it all. Like, and yet we still were supposed to hate him. Like, oh, you-K? You have the fucking cheerleaders with him as well. Yeah.

Oh my God. I remember there was one episode, like, I think when they were like, when Ash was about to like go to like Koga, I think. Yeah. And Gary just rocks up in a fucking like... Lamborghini. Lambagini.

Yeah. With like 10 chicks just be like, like, You're still here, I've already got all the bags. I'm just like, who's driving the car? Yeah, not only is he an expert Pokemon Master, he's a logistic expert. Yeah, getting all these women around, always in his Lamborghini.

Of course. But he doesn't worry about parking tickets, you know? Come on, I mean, like, Ash is walking everywhere. Point two, point being as an adult, I think Ash is kinda shitty, man. Oh, yeah. I mean, yeah, definitely as a kid, that whole kind of structure

and the kind of, you know, going on a gym, I was very, were you guys like, did you guys feel really like disappointed when Ash got beaten in the Pokemon League? Oh yeah, I was like, this is our destiny. He formed these artificial bonds with these Pokemon and fucking Charzot had the balls to sleep

at the final fight. Are you serious, Charzot? It was like, as a kid, it was like top 10 anime twist of all. Yeah, it was like, saved you, bro. He saved you, help him, please. There's actually this really funny thing I found the other day when I was looking up like Pokemon Speed Run.

You know there's a thing called Ash Percent? Oh, I think, yeah, I saw this. Where you have to play the game exactly, like catch every Pokemon exactly the same on that Asht is. You have to release your Butterfree, you have to release your Charazard, and then you have to purposely lose at the Leaf 4. That would drive me mental, man.

It's like the shirtless Mario Speed Run, yeah, you basically just do a speed run of Super Mario Odyssey where you try and get Mario shirtless as quick as possible. Yeah, nipple percent. I love the troll speed runs. Anyway, we got off tommy. Yeah, okay, okay. And I don't know, was it the same thing as well

for you as a kid? Yeah, I like, I don't know, I couldn't quite put my finger on it, but it was this huge overarching plots. Like they had a goal and they were working towards a goal. Like, Pokemon turned out to me, my, like, as I watched more anime, I started liking Pokemon less and less. Like, when I, things like Digimon came out

and they had an actual, like, story arc, instead of being cut by Charizard, at the most crucial moment, Digimon for me was probably the moment when I actually fell in love with anime. Yeah. You wanna know something? I never watched the Digimon anime. Did you not? I watched it.

The only things, anything Digimon that I ever consumed are the two movies. I played the games as well as a kid, and the only thing I remember is them being hard as fuck. Oh, they are. Oh, there are games of that? There's games, and like I think, at least the Digimon World Games, I don't know how old they are.

I remember like the, they're like some of the hardest games to get like full completion of any games ever. Like they're like insane. And I remember as a kid thing like, what the fuck, why can't I get past the first level? This is, I beat all of Pokemon in French. I, what the hell? Yeah, no, I never, I don't know what it is.

Maybe because I was just so obsessed with Pokemon. But like, I always knew Digimon was a thing. Yeah, yeah. But I never watched any of the other. It was always the joke as a kid, right? You were like the fucking comedian. If you were like, I guess you're the Digimon, though. Like, you know what I mean?

You're the Digimon kid. No, no one wants to be the Digimon kid. I have a question for you specifically, because obviously this isn't applied to you, but did you, like, as a kid, have a sense of like, oh, I kind of like this whole, like, Japanese culture thing whenever it propped up, you know, in like TV or anything? I mean, to me, it was less of a, less exotic.

Cause to me it was like Asian culture. I guess, yeah, yeah, yeah. Yeah, because it was, it was, I had seen more of it because I, you know, I didn't exactly grow up in Thailand, but I would visit there at least once a year. Right. So I'd spend like my summer holidays in Thailand every year. So seeing some of the more Japanese culture

or the more Asian-oriented culture, It's not that different from what you get from Flying Asia. Like Japanese specific, like say onigiri. I didn't, had no idea what the fuck. I mean, jelly donuts. Yeah. Jelly donuts. But I could see that, oh, it was just a ball of rice.

I know what rice is. I can see what this is. I guess it's a difference of me coming from, you know, the whitest place on earth and not being exposed to any other, especially Asian cultures, you know. Yeah, yeah. The only Asian exposure I had, you know, apart from media, it was just like the shitty Chinese shop, you know, down the road,

which like we had awful Chinese. And so I think whenever I saw Japanese stuff in media, I thought it was so cool. Like I, this is gonna sound so fucking dumb that I'm gonna say this, right? Go on. Do you remember like Jackass, the movie or whatever? Where they, where like one of them goes to Japan. Oh yeah, and he starts like just stripping in a store and dancing.

Yeah. The whole time, I just ignored that. I was like, dude, look at those fucking appliances. They had it. I thought it was so cool. They had all these appliances in the store that, like, I've never seen them like, because in the West, we never got those, like, TV and radio built in things. And, like, they had, like, the next. numbers on the side.

I thought those were cool as fuck as a kid. And then obviously watching like samurai stuff and then Samurai Jack was a huge thing that made me think like I fucking love Samurai. Oh yeah. They were like the coolest things to me. I think it was either like depending on if you were into anime or not.

Like the two things that got people into Samurai were either Samurai Jack or the last Saturday. I can still watch Samurai Jack today and like fucking love everything. Dude, the newest season was fucking awesome. Oh my God. Samurai Jack is just a fucking great show period. Samurai Jack was like the one cartoon network show

other than Ed and Nettie that my dad would be just as excited to watch with me. So good. It was like, dude, Samurai Jackson, move, move out of the way. Like, I remember like the episode with like the assassin. Do you remember this one with the like the, like the, he had the robot dog? And I love that episode. That's one of my favorites.

But I think in my head looking back now, I feel like it was inevitable that I was gonna get into anime. Cause I had like a fondness for Japanese culture. It wasn't like intense or wee-be or anything. I like the movies. I like the, like all the culture that I saw. I loved video games. And being a video game fan, you're gonna run into,

stuff so you're like, huh, why is it like this? And you're like, oh, it's Japanese. And then also watching anime from a young age and like, so I felt like it was inevitable at some point in my life I was gonna find anime and be like, I fucking love this shit. Yeah, because I feel I completely forgot about video games and just like JRP's and general.

It's a big push, you don't realize how much really like I push a game. And I realize a lot of the same story tropes that drew me to anime, like I liked in JRPGs and that's why I got into JRP's as well. I guess, do you remember the time when Japan just felt like this foreign concept. Oh yeah, yeah.

Like this is way past even when me discovering anime, but I remember like after discovering anime and start discovering narrative and everything, you know, it was so weird to find anyone who went to Japan or see any kind of like Japanese media, even outside of the Japan. I feel like it's only recently become a tourist destination. Yeah, yeah.

Like if my parents who like never wanna leave Europe, right, like they're like, if it's not Europe, it's not a vacation. If they're considering like, oh, Korea and Japan sounds cool. Like, if they're done like that, I'm like, okay, well now I guess everyone's up to it now. Are they thinking that?

Yeah, they were planning there, not just because I lived here, but they wanted to come out anyway. Oh, okay. And yeah, I feel like there's that kind of mainstreamness of it anyway as really had a big impact recently. Because I remember when I first started watching stuff on YouTube, there was no like vloggers.

Except for like, I remember watching like a Chris Broad video from like, years ago. Yeah. And he was like the only guy, right? He was one of the OGs, right? Like, and I remember back back then, like if you wanted to find certain Japanese,

it had to be like a BBC documentary. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. Like, it was not a YouTube thing. The weird wacky world of Japan. Whereas now, like, you can find out anything you want about this country. Like, it's not hard, but I remember, yeah, like, same thing.

Like, you see these weird commercials, you'd see like these clips from these talk shows or the variety shows, and you're like, what the fuck is going on in this country? I have no idea. There was that giant like Takeshi's Castle, dude. Oh my God.

Forgot about that. Takesh's Castle aired at 7am every day on challenge. And I used to wake up early before school and I would like watch every episode. I didn't think you guys get this excited. I just totally glossed over that like, I literally watched Takeshi's Castle all throughout high school.

No, no, same in. Even though it was reruns. I fucking loved it every time. Yeah, you just watch the same episodes over and over. It's like watching Top Gear and Dave, You know, it's something you can always watch over and over. And it was just so fucking weird. It's only recently that I found out though,

that like Takeshi's Castle, you guys had reruns at Takeshi's Castle? Yeah, yeah. And I found that really interesting because that's a show from the 80s. Yeah, it's strange because I think America has their own version as well. By the way, Takesh Castle is this kind of, what is it called the most extreme game show?

Is it called in Japan? It's like Ninja Warrior, something like that's less like the modern-day word. It's like, ninja warrior, but imagine if it was like, all the contestants were just everyday people and it was horribly unfair. Yeah. It was so unfair and it was so fun.

And it was just brutal. These courses, they would just send people and they would all fail. It was basically Ninja Warrior crossed with Jackass. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Because it looked dangerous. Some of the courses looked so fucking dangerous. I mean, there's a reason why they don't do that show anymore.

No, no, no, no. Legit O-H and S. Yeah, yeah. That show had a huge following in the UK because of that. And I think in America it did as well, but each localization had a different style to it. So the Japanese one obviously just showed the show. Yeah. The British one had like this.

Craig Charles. Great Charles, who's quite a famous person back in the 90s, right? Yeah, yeah, because he did robot wars. Right, right, right. And it was really big, and in America, they had like a kind of, imagine like a pseudo kind of football commentators being like, what do you think of that, Jeff? Yeah, it was like, it was supposed to be like a kind of like jockey things.

I actually watched clips of it. I don't think it's as good, but each country got its own localization. And the one in the UK was huge. Because I remember those petitions, even when I was like 16, 17, people wanting to bring it back, but I mean, how can you bring it back when they're just, dubbing over the old clips, right? But Thailand actually had, I think, a version, like a few years ago as well.

Oh, did they made their own version. I had no fucking clear. Because I remember watching it thinking, like, nope, not the same. It just didn't quite scratch it. But that was a huge factor in why also I love Japanese culture, because you watch that show and like, it's hilarious. It's amazing and it's also blatantly extremely Japanese.

Yeah, yeah. You're seeing like Katakana Kanji everywhere. Like it's obviously just like, it's purely Japanese. It's like ADHD like editing, you know what I mean? Oh, it's pure like, yeah, that's my first intro. It's just pure chaos. I don't know about what it is about Japanese variety shows.

It's just about having as much information on screen to distract your eyes as possible. After making YouTube videos, I've come to like feel sorry for every Japanese editor. With the sheer amount of text they have to put on the screen, changing colors and shit popping up everywhere. Because everybody's dialogue has subtitles. And it's like, we can hear them, fine.

Don't worry about. Do you know what I hate? Whenever I see like an anime trailer and it's from like Japanese TV, Japanese TV, so they always got like this guy reacting to it or something like that. Oh, in the corner, yeah. And they're not even reacting that much,

they're just like, yeah, yeah. Yeah, yeah. They'll have like, like, a really like normal thing and they'll have a guy in the corner like, yeah. Or it's like a really interesting behind the scenes clip of this anime or show.

Or like one of, like I remember seeing like the genre clip of the guy doing Muda. Yeah, right? And it's just a guy reacting in the corner. I was like, I don't give a shit about that guy. Taking a valuable screen. Yeah, I know, just let it. Oh, I want to watch the guy doing the Muda.

I mean, I have to say, though, like with Takeshi's castle, like I fucking loved growing up. Oh my God, what a show. What was your guys' favorite, like, segment of that show? Because for me, like, to this day, if I have a bad day, I'll always watch clips of lotion staircase. See, I think they had different names to them in the challenges, because they had like title screens.

You could tell that they cop try to mimic. I mean, did you guys watch like the lotion staircase one? Is that? It's like a giant staircase and it's just covered in lotion. And they have to try and get on top of it. I remember that one. I like the one where they would, the honeycomb maze, like the hexagon maze.

Oh, yeah. And it was basically this maze, and you got a top-down view, which is so good, and you would see them go through this maze, and they'd basically be these fucking dudes which would just grab them in the face and like throw them around, and I'm like, what the fuck? And then there's also like the rolling things

that they would try and run on that looked impossible. No, the one that sticks out to my mind is the one where the rock skipping, like, just like, you fucking, you fucking, You fucking go full pelts over these like rocks over a river and some of the rocks would just sink. Now just imagine if like you're running full pelts and then one of the rocks sinks and you just faceplants

into a real rock. Oh my god, that looked painful. If you haven't watched it, you're in for a treat. It's just, it's so good, it's such good fun. I don't think a show like that could happen today. And it's not just Takeshi's castle. They're like, I've realized there's so many shows that either America or the UK or like just,

some Western countries like whipped off, like silent library and like wipe out. Like they're all, and even like Ninja Warrior. They're all like originally Japanese shows. Oh, I love Ninja Warrior watching the Japanese version. They could never go as crazy as the Japanese version. No, no, no what I mean? Yeah, no, it's crazy.

I mean, I think that was definitely game shows, like everything kind of got me into anime, right? Like it was just that kind of buildup of, I kind of think this culture's kind of sick, right? And I like what they do. I like all the media that they put out, like it just jives with me, right? And I just seem to enjoy it.

And then I remember, the first anime, right, this is where we're talking about, like finally getting into like the shit. Yeah, yeah, yeah. I remember I really, for some reason, I wanted to be like a TV and film snob. I don't know why, I wanted to be like, I've seen everything, you know, like.

Did you go through the I was the top 100 phase? Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. I think, I feel like everyone's gone to this point. Everyone in uni, everyone in uni. I feel like uni was a big. It was in a, I just finished watching like 24 in prison break and I was feeling like, man, I'm such a TV Conner.

I've watched prison break in 24. So I went to, went through the list and death note was like eighth or something at the time. Oh my God. And I, and I, this must have been like, 2012, 13, and I skipped it initially because I'm like, I'm watching fucking cartoons. I'm a grown-ass man, I grew up.

I was real show. Again, because like, you know, my parents and all my family and cousins and whatever, like they were telling you like, dude, stop watching cartoons, right? You're an adult, right? So I initially skipped it, but for some reason I did it

to double take like two or three weeks later read the synopsis and I thought, okay, this sounds pretty fucking sick. Yeah, yeah. And if it's in the top 10, it's gotta be pretty good, right? Yeah. Watched one episode, I had to school the next day, but I stayed up the whole night up until school.

I had to leave with two episodes left to watch. So I binged it the whole season of Death Note in one night and oh my God, I just immediately became obsessed. Like it was like overnight I had just come, like all my other plans to watch all these famous movies and TV ship, Get that out of here. Someone on YouTube said watch Code Gios,

so I'm gonna do that next. And it's just like, obviously that phase where you discover all like the golden anime, it's just like bangor after bangor. And it's like three months straight where you're just like, all you think about is watching the next anime. God, like remember that fake.

I've missed that thing so much. Everything you watched was amazing. Even like I look back at some of the shit now. Like the shitty stuff. Even the shit is like I remember going through this phase where I was obsessed with Love Heena, right? I think everyone had that phase back in the day. Okay, if we all had that face back in the day,

can I ask, what was the show that ruined that for you? Like, do you remember? Because I know exactly what it was for me. No, because like, I feel like, once you watched enough anime, you start like, do you remember the feeling of the void, right? The void where you watch this really, really good show. You're like, no one's gonna top this.

Not nothing's gonna top this and you just feel empty. And then you hit Jim Bu-Woh. Come on. And then the more shows you watch, the more that void shrinks until like you find the next amazing show and then you're like, and then you watch enough and then you find like your top 10 favorite shows.

And then that's kind of when it starts cementing for me to like to the next phase where you start watching stuff and it's not as good a feeling as when you first started. So what was it for you then? School days. Because I just I distinctly remember this. And I remember being really annoyed about it. And I'm not saying that for the meme.

It's totally accurate. Why can I never escape school days? You wanna know what's even worse, right? Is that, so I was watching anime on YouTube still at this point, right? So I remember, because I would get, I'd go to my anime list because that's what everyone did, right? Like you would look at which ones are high rated

and which ones, you know? For some reason, school days was like one of the highest rated. But it was like, it was like, split, right? Between like, it was either a 10 or a 2. Yeah, yeah. And I thought I'm gonna be in the 10 categories. Everything I've watched so far, I fucking love, right?

So first off, I already had a bad start with watching School Days, because I remember watching School Days HQ or something, and it was like, well, like a spin-off? It was like 40 minutes. School Days HQ to explain is the original visual novel of School Days, but the original visual novel of School Days was basically just a full-on anime, right?

It was all animated. I didn't know that. This is the first time I just found that out. So you can watch all of School Days HQ on something like Porn Hub or X videos, which if you're really just like- Ex-hamster, no hamsters. If you're really just looking to watch

the clips that you're looking for, you can just find it on that. Oh, and they would have showed the clips in that. I didn't get that far. I got about, because it was a 40 minute episode one. And I watched 40 minutes and I was like, this isn't seem right. Am I watching the right thing?

Like, everyone's saying it's good. Like, is right? It's so funny that you say like the school days, like Mal is either like a, 10 or a dude. Yeah, I was definitely one of those people who put it as a team. I know you did, you piece of shit.

Cause I know exactly what my- What is going on here? I know what mindset you were in where you were like every, I'm in the fucking hood. I gotta say yes. What is going on? Why am I sitting next to someone

who gave school days a 10? Okay, look. He's that sheep, right? Who everyone else has said it at 10 and he doesn't wanna be that one guy who's like, I don't think I have good taste. No, I have good taste. I can appreciate it.

So that's- Scott, because for me, right, like school days was like, It was crap until the last episode. Because the last episode, I was like, first of all, I remember just like sitting there, we're obviously not gonna say it, but I'm sure there's lots of people who know how. If you don't know what happened to the end of school days.

Boat couldn't comes out, right? No one knows. But like, school days for me, that ending was like the most satisfying thing I'd ever seen an animal. Okay, I will give you that. It was satisfying, but then I remembered like, I just sat through 11 of the most boring shit in my life. life. And I don't think this is big enough to redeem it.

Like the first, the first 11 episodes was just like, I think I need anger management right now. Yeah, yeah. Because oh my God, I hate the main character so much. Oh my God, I hated him. And then like the fucking orgasm, you got an episode 12 where what happened happens and you're like, oh. Yeah, that for me, that ending for me made it a 10. No. No. I was like, for me, I specifically remember I'm like, I'm glad I went through those 11 episodes. No, no. That's, that's,

A satisfying ending I've ever seen. That's recent C bias, right? Because you're basing your review of how it ended, not the fucking, the absolute shit truck that you were to like shovel through. Okay, no, but like, here's the thing, right? Like, I've said this so many times in videos, but like, the ending for me is so fucking important

because, like, I had the exact opposite. You got that goldfish brain that one that tunes everything out before. Because I had the exact opposite experience with Dead Man Wondaland. No, I still like Dead Man Wanderland. Because Dead Man Wondelan for me was amazing, first 10 episodes and the ending was just the most garbage,

bullshit, like, okay, we ran out a budget ending that I've ever seen that it just completely ruined the experience. But that doesn't mean it's a one. I didn't put Denman Wonderland. What did you get, what did you get Denver Land? The anime? Yeah. Like a five. What? No, no, it's better than a five. Because then I read the manga and the manga's infinitely better.

You think so? Yeah. I thought where the manga. Because the manga actually ends. Unlike the fucking anime. Did you like the ending of the manga though? It's better than the fucking anime. I guess. I remember reading Dadman Wonderland and I kind of liked what what it did a little bit, but the ending I wasn't too big of a fan of the manga.

Right, but I enjoyed it, even if it was like a mediocre ending, right? At least I got an ending. At least I got an okay ending, whereas the anime just left me wanting more and I'm like, don't cock tease me like that after 10 amazing episodes. But would you rather a show that has like 10 amazing episodes

with no ending or 24 episodes with 10 amazing episodes and then it starts to go kind of man, the ending's a little questionable? The first. Right, that's what we got with Dead Man. there. Yeah.

We got 10 bangers. That's why I like, but like, I'm trying, I'm just trying to like wrap my head around how you could justify. The school days. Like, I've just been sitting here for like the past few minutes, having a fucking mental breakdown by myself.

Let me, let me rephrase, okay? I had so many opinion changes on the ending to school days, like so many times. Okay, so what would you give school days now then? Now I would give it a six. No, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no. I had a phase where I'm like, is this ending genius or is it the worst garbage

that I've ever seen? If I like, you know, if I make a character that is so fucking abhorren and then I kill him off. Yeah, you shouldn't be. He's not even a good character. That's like that's not a good character. But that's exactly the reason why the ending is so satisfying. It's satisfying but it's just so fucking surface level,

you know? I mean, I wouldn't watch it again. He, he, like this protagonist is the one that we follow. He made this. character dog shit on purpose, but then there's also a little bit where he tries to make you like the guy. And that's the worst part. And that's what I fucking hate.

It's like, no, don't try to make me sympathize with this con. He just had like a threesome in like class three B. Like what the fuck? He just had like a, he's supposed to be a dad or some shit. I loved, dude, that's the one character development that, uh, what the fucks, Makoto had. That's, that was his name. Makoto, that was his, I completely,

because he's so fucking bland. Yeah. I couldn't even remember his fucking, I can't remember any of the character names. I love the one character development Makoto had. Is like he started out as this like absolute simp for Sekai and then just turned into these most like fucking Kotonaha, that was a fucking name.

He became like the giga chat. Gigajad. Like, and the episode for me that made me like, had to like pause and go like, was like the when they wanted to have like a threesome or something? I like paused it and I was like, just, just a mutte.

Chote, just fucking matth. I was like, what the fuck is this? It's like, no, and it was so. And it was so like, poor, like it was literally a porn plot, how it happened as well. Yeah, no, no, because it is a fucking porn plot. It was, school days, HQ is a porn plot. That's the worst thing about it, right?

Is they try and sell you that it's not a porn plot and then they hit you with the, in front of my salad plot, and you're like, no, this isn't what I want. Like, and the fact that people on Mal had the fucking balls to be like, this is an artistic masterpiece of our generation. I'm definitely not one guy who said that. I'm like, this ending is absolutely genius. You guys just don't.

The timing is impeccable. It's like, no, it's like, yeah, okay, if my dog got rabies and I watched it die for three hours, yeah, I'd probably see it put down, it would be satisfying, right? Because it's just suffering. That's what that anime was, it was just suffering. I fucking hated it.

And the fact that I had to then watch 40 minutes of a let's play or whatever the fuck it was at the first thing. See, I didn't watch that. And the worst part was is that imagine, okay, before you could even start, the dog shit pile that is fucking school days, you had to watch 40 minutes of the same thing

before you started the same thing again. So I remember watching the first episode already bored out of my mind because I'd seen this shit before in a slightly different way. And I was like, I hate, okay, I hate school days. No, no, let's end it. School day sucks, c-h.

I'm just having a fucking mental breakdown right now because I thought I had left school days in the past. I never thought I'd hear those two words again. And I never thought I'd be sitting next to the guy who, you know, because I remember that mal phase and I thought they must, everyone must be This is like the interspecies reviewers kind of thing. Everyone's giving this a 10, everyone's being fucking ironic.

There's no way that there can be a guy who actually- I'm sure there were, I'm sure there were, but I can't imagine, I couldn't imagine you unironically gave it a 10. I just can't, I just remember like, What is happening? I had a video, like, this is a video. Well, yeah, were you corrected your opinion? Yeah, no, no, so.

Not enough. I made two videos. I made two videos. I had a video, the first video ever made on school days was right after I I finished watching it. And I think it's like a six year old video. And it's called like, is the school days ending a masterpiece or something like that?

Oh my God. And it was just like me going like, yeah, I think it was. Yeah, but okay, it's like, it's like imagine if Code Gios is ending, right? You had that, but then 25 episodes was just us following like, like, none-a-ly, like just her daily life. You know what I mean? Like that shit's boring.

I don't wanna fucking. It's like, it wasn't like the, okay, the ending was satisfying, but it was just, it was just a boring show. It was a boring show for, half of it and then the second half was just like anger management. I think I gave it such a high score

because I just appreciated the meta behind how the director and producer chose the literal worst ending of any visual novel in existence. It was like grade A trolling in my opinion and I think that's why I said it was kind of genius. I mean it's definitely different. That ending was not like an ending like that. You don't read, I've seen anything like that since.

Because there's a reason why we're still talking about school days after fucking how many years of it since it's been out. Yeah, but okay. Here's the thing, right, is that sometimes, what is a good ending, right? Is it, do you think it as a good ending? Because the story made sense, it really like,

in the whole thing, it was like, wow, that's a great ending. It really made sense, all the characters built up to this. No, it's a good ending because the main character was fucking awful and everyone in that show was God awful. We just wanted to see them get like revenge. But I would argue that like, but I would argue that like an ending that is good, right, doesn't necessarily have to be memorable.

There's a difference between a memorable ending and a good ending. It's a memorable ending, not a good ending. It's just like pure shock factor, right? Yeah, that's what it is, right? It's just like pure shock factor, and it's got not much substance behind that shock factor. Right, right. And that was my big problem with school days,

because at least with the visual novel, you could see fucking sex scenes for one. Yeah. Hey, hey. We can watch the gigi chatter now. Get some tips. He's getting three sums at like age 16, oh shit. Exactly.

Cause at least in that point it actually made sense while he was getting all this fucking pussy. Did it, did it, though? Did it really? I mean, no, no, it made sense because it was a fucking hentai, right? It makes sense in the visual novel, not in the anime, because they didn't explain

the hentai subplot, right? Or the subtext, I guess, that it is like a hentai. I think that was the first time as a teenager that I was like, oh, sex again? Like, you know, like, really? We're gonna go with sex again? All right, geez, okay. Yeah, but like, around that time, right?

Like, that's like the age where, like, you start, to be like beyond those kinds of like sex and poop jokes where it's all about like, if this isn't like challenging my 16 year old atheist brain, then it's not good material. I mean, I'm pretty sure I watched that like pee-pee poo-poo thing that made me laugh on YouTube

like two weeks ago. So I don't know if I'm fully gone, but. Right, but like it always goes back, right? Like you laugh at poop jokes at age 10, not at age 15, and then you laugh at poop jokes again at age 20. Being a teenager is fucking weird. That's, I guess that's all I could say. It is fucking whiff because teenagers,

we horny as fuck, right? Yeah, exactly. And I guess when you're a teenager, you wanna, this is weird thing that you don't do as an adult, right? When you're an adult, you fully accept what you're into. But as a teenager, you're like trying to mold your interest into what you think you should be. Yeah, yeah, yeah, exactly.

And I felt like the shows that you watched, which is probably why this guy gave Malik, fucking school days at 10, he's like, I wanna be this smart guy who can see through all the bullshit to see the masterpiece. I will fully admit, that's exactly what I do. Right, yeah, yeah, yeah. I'm not gonna sit here and upset,

like, I did that too, right? There's probably a part of me that would argue that prison break was a masterpiece of our time, right? When I look back now, I'm like, what the fuck was I thinking? I was 15. Yeah. You know, like, it's, when you're a teenager, you have dumb opinions, you know?

Yeah, exactly. Which is why you should never start an attitude channel in your team. No, no, no, no. Because you'll very highly regret it later on. My first video was on fucking bleach. Wait, wait, how old are you starting YouTube then? 17.

Oh, shit, okay. See, I would still do dumb shit up until 20. Yeah, yeah. I started my YouTube at 19, right? Yeah, I was 19 as well when I said. And I, holy crap, some of the stuff that I said, I look back now and you know what? You look back and you know the motives

as well to why you said the dumb shit. Yeah, yeah, oh, never have now, right? Of course. Like you're like, oh, I wanna be seen in this way, so I'm gonna say opinion that isn't really mine, but I know people will view me if I, you know. Like I look back in some of my first videos and I fucking cringe, man, I could not finish them.

Oh my God. I'm so fucking glad that the way the internet was, was like the perfect time, I think, when I was growing up. Because like there was still the kind of thing of, you could say whatever the fuck you wanted. And you got away with it, right? Like, I'm sure I said some fucking horrible stuff

on Roomscape and Xbox live to people, right? Of course. You know, now I mean, kind of stuff gets hold against you. Yeah, yeah. I'm glad that I had that room to grow, room to know that school days was garbage, you know, without having to make a video about it and being like, school days is a masterpiece, guys.

Yeah, the same mistake. Did you actually make a video? No. Well, you did? You did? Yeah, it's up on your channel? Yeah, it's all my channel. Oh my channel.

It's like a video from like six years ago. We're watching that tonight. It's like five minutes of me. I can't watch it because it's so cringy, but it's like me in like a fucking like, I had like this giant like chopper hat for some reason on. I don't know why I was wearing it.

That was like during the era where like, I was known as the guy as to wear the weird hats. Yeah. I had like a chopper hat that was like the huge like chopper hat and I was also wearing this like rainbow beanie with like a scarf attached to and shit. It was, I looked gross to say it later. I don't know why anyone was like,

oh yeah, this guy looks good. But like, yeah, like, un-arotically, I was like, you know what, now that I'm mulling it over, I think School Days's ending is really freaking good. And it's on my channel right now. Like, dude, I'll keep that shit up because it is a- I'm just getting out, Rev, he's gonna- I mean, it's, I like to keep it up

to like kind of remind my audience that like, you know, I used to be like this. But now, obviously, I've changed my opinion on School Days and a lot of shows because I've, as you said, I've had the room to grow, grow now and the room to watch a lot more anime. I think it's funny to look back at your old videos

where you're cringe as fuck. Just to be like, this is what I'm like now, you know, I mean, you can see clear improvement. I like seeing the growth, you know. Yeah, yeah, definitely, that feels good. It feels it hurts to watch some of your older videos. I actually watched it and I'm like, I sound so much more British.

Yeah, my accent has changed so fucking much. And I didn't realize that. I had such a northern accent at the start of YouTube. Well, when I made you, you had like the thickest Welsh accent. Yeah, yeah. It's kind of been like destroyed now. Which is nice, you know.

I mean, I speak clearly, you know. But I think that's, to coincide with all, like, YouTube growth, I think you have that as well, especially in your tastes in anime, when you're a teenager and what you like, and, you know, you kind of lie to yourself sometimes. We're called trash taste for a reason. I mean, Joey's really pulling his weight on that trash taste.

This episode has been on fucking point. I had to bring the trash in, all right? If someone was gonna do, it's gonna be me. Why is it every podcast I'm on, I can never escape school days. Why? Why? Why? Because it's so fun. I think it's that moment as an anime fan

when you watch school days and it's like two paths, which one are you gonna go down? Are you gonna go down like just admitting your taste? This is like the modern day like Pokemon versus Digimon. It's like school day's good or school days bad. It's like the anime litmus test. I'm thinking was school days just way more culturally important for the anime fandom than I've realized it was?

I think so. At least for, you know, in the mid, 2010, that round period. I think that was a big like taste Indicator. Oh, 100%. And also anyone who said they liked it was a fucking liar at the time, you know, so, or like, and that means you could trust

any of his opinions. Anyone subscribed after that, I don't understand. No, because at that time, I remember this. I felt like I was the fucking the idiot, because I'm like, am I the only guy that thinks the show is garbage? Like, am I going crazy? When did school days come out?

It was like 2007, I think, some, it was, it was during the golden age. Okay, so it's 2007. Yeah, yeah, because I think it was 2007. Saying that, right, I watched that at like 2013. And that argument was still going on until 2013. And to some aspect, it's still going on today. Obviously a lot lesser, but...

I mean, you can argue that we brought it back. Yeah. How many anime do you know that have had like discussions like that where it's like brought up time and it's so decisive? Well, I think this is the only anime that's like properly trashy. You know what I mean? Yeah, it's so trashy. It just keeps being brought up because I can, you know,

point to shows like say Evangelion or something that's, you know, we can discuss till the end of times and fans probably will discuss that till the end of time. But in terms of like shows that I count as fucking awful, school days is just a show that just doesn't refuse to. It's a fucking cockroach. Every time I step on it, every time I think it fucking dies, two other people come back and say,

oh yeah, I like the innumericions. I'm like, shut the fuck up, please. I thought I was fast this point. You'll never escape from it, dude. That's the beauty of school days. It's 20, 20, oh my God. I love how this was just like supposed to be our origin story in terms of the downfall of anime.

It's just the absolute shit roasting of my 10 out of 10 opinion. It's just like a brazzers of anime, you know? It's just like, that's basically what it is. It's like, imagine if like, if a brazzers had a good ending, we'd probably be arguing about it, right? That's the equivalent of it. It's like, it's not, it's fucking shit. Yeah. God, I'm so heated about it.

I just, it gives like a visceral reaction to everyone who dislikes it. Yeah, yeah. This guy's just living it down. I'm just looking forward to the giant discussion this is gonna cause in like the subreddit. I'm just like, this is gonna be a whole thread again. This is gonna come out.

I am interested to see what you, the viewers, if you have seen school days, think of it. And if you're wrong on your thoughts, school days. I mean, is there anything else we can talk about over then? I think that's a good place to end it for today. I feel like I just took the wind out of my sales. I don't know how I can possibly be calm

about anything else today. But you do have something important. We do have something to talk about it. We've actually started the Trash Taste Patreon. As you can see, the production value is quite high for this podcast, and we have editors helping us and stuff. And it's a whole system that we have. And sadly, it doesn't fund itself.

It costs a lot of money to run. Basically, I just wanna talk about because, you know, I feel like when we were making this podcast, we didn't wanna settle for like cheap production values, right? No, we wanted this to be, you know, comparable to any other high budget podcast. But like, to us, this was a passion project. Yeah, we've put quite a lot of our own savings into this.

That's an understatement. These mics are expensive. Like, you know, several thousand dollars into making this, and plus, you know, we are renting out a studio, you know, in Japan. A lot of time, a lot of money. Yeah, near Tokyo. So right now, like, not to say that we, you know, all three of us are pretty well off.

We'll be fine. We'll be fine. We just don't want our passion project to be bleeding money, which right now it is, you know. So any help that you can give to help us just to go even, because that's my goal. If I can just do this and not have to worry about losing money. Like just constantly losing money and you know,

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and thanks for watching guys. See in the next episode. Yeah. Bye. Bye. I can't fucking believe school days. This fucker! This fucker