Trash Taste Podcast - THE TRASH TASTE TOURNAMENT ARC | Trash Taste #211

Episode Date: July 5, 2024

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All right, hello and welcome to another episode of Trash Taste. A non-controversial episode. A non-controversial episode. I'm your host for today, Gantz, joining me again. Once again, are the boys, and today we are hosting our own tournament talks. I'm not excited about it.

You're not excited. You gotta say it like you used to say that. I'm no, no. Joey, that was like five years ago. That's my favorite gardener. That's my, say it. I've retired. Today we are hosting our tournament talk.

Hopefully that did, how's the waveforms on that? 2016 gigging fans are frothing at the mouth. God, I'm never gonna fucking escape. Why do we argue? You know, we can have a nice day or we talk about things. We don't have to argue. You're usually the one that's instigating the argument. What he's talking about?

And you're like, I don't have a good time, guys. I don't like to argue. I don't argue. I hate arguing. I want that on the record. I hate arguing as well, but sometimes you just got to fight your fights. Yeah, so we're doing a tournament arc today. So what we did was we asked you guys over on the Trash Taste Patreon, by the way,

if you want to be involved in future videos as well as check out exclusive stuff, patreon.com slash Trash Tast. But we asked our patrons to give us a list of some of the best in a particular genre. And what we're going to do is we're going to tally them up, put them on a tournament bracket, and then figure out which one of these is going to survive at the end. Yeah, so we're not going to base this one so much on, oh, which one is, even though this doesn't actually exist, which one's like critically or objectively better.

It's more, it's this more start off as, you know, we wanted to start a bracket where we want to keep one and throw one away or, you know, choose one over the other. It's like a would you rather. Yeah, it's kind of like a would you rather, but since we're fucking, since we watch anime, of course we've got to make it a fucking tournament arc because Is that, listen to each other's arguments? Cause what if it's like right or die?

Well, so how it is is because there's three of us here, it's two v one. Yeah, that's majority vote goes through. Yeah. Fence sitter over here. No, no, no, I won't, I will, I'll praise that I will not fence sit. I like the idea of you both anime experts.

Well, Jerry, not so much anymore, but previous anime expert. Oh yes, because once I start watching anime, all my knowledge, you know. I could be the deciding factor. It could be. It's gonna be interesting. Yeah, so this isn't exactly every one

of the most popular choices, but we did go through and pick out of the popular choices, something that at least two of us have seen. Otherwise, it would just be one person in a corner just talking to himself. Exactly. And the other two kind of just nodding on. Believe me, bro.

Yeah, believe me, bro, believe me, bro. So he's the one for anime. Of course we're gonna start off with anime anime because we are an anime podcast. No, we're not going. We are an anime podcast. podcast. So we ask you guys over on Patreon to supply us with some anime titles to put on the bracket. And let's see what we have. Jesus Christ. Okay. Okay. So of course One Piece was going to go

up on there. Oh my God. Okay. So One Piece, Jojo's Bizarre Adventure, Steinsteade, attack on tyen, former lachamist, free ran, Michocha Tensei Vinland Saga, Gurin Lagan, Mob Psycho, Clan Outter, Hunter, Hunter, Boccii, the Rock, Judas de Kaisen, Code Gies, and Made an Abyss. I need a smoke break just looking at this. Yeah. This is gonna turn into a shit show. Very quickly, I feel. I love how the audience, you go through this,

and the audience is just like, yeah, shonen, action, manly stuff. Yeah, right? Clan out of the story. Bouchy the Rock. Okay. How the fuck did Botchy the Rock make it here? I don't fucking know, but I'm disappointed in all of you.

I think people put that on there so we could see Joey's reaction. Oh my God. I just feel like they're doing that out of spite. Christ, all right. Okay, so Jesus Christ, from like first looks, the top half looks insane. It's so hard.

The top half of this bracket looks insane. Can we go from bottom to top? I can't start with One Piece versus Jojo. I can't start off. You wanna go bottom to top? All right, can we really start with One Piece versus Joe? All right, all right. All right, all right.

You can't, in the UN meetings, you can't jump into the most serious problem. I'm sure they have like some kind of easy work they all agree to. Yeah, okay. Well, let's start at the bottom there. So one goes, one stays. Cokedy ass or Made an Abyss.

Which one you keep in? Which one, which one you keep in? And, you know, which one you're throwing away? This is so hard because I love both these shows. Yeah. For totally different reasons. I'm, what, what are you thinking, Connor? Listen, I like, I like Made in Abyss.

I think the story is, dare I say, better. But it does make you a little. uncomfortable was you watching Made in Abyss. Yeah, it makes you uncomfortable on a lot of different levels. It's just like a really uncomfortable show to watch in general because of some of the shit that happens in the show and some of the things that are portrayed in the show. Code Gios is a little bit more of a traditional, let's say, anime, traditional story. One of the goats, some I say.

Yeah. I would agree with that. It is one of the class. You stand terrorism, guys? I think terrorism is based. That's an out of context. Went down right, obviously. You know, it's even better, terrorism with your friends.

It's about the friends we made along the way. He's only a terrorist because the government calls him a terrorist. Exactly. But really, he's a, what some might say, a freedom fighter. Yeah. The resistance, terrorism is just... I'm sure they called... Oh, let's find a real...

Yeah, yeah, finish the sentence. Finish the sentence, Connor. I'm sure they called the Welsh terrorists back in the 1,200s, all right? Okay, it's not always so cutting to cry. Who's a terrorist? You know, it's always a save when you use your own race. Okay, really hard to think of some...

Yeah, yeah, yeah. Let me just go through history and see if there are some, no. Which one will get me in the least amount of trouble. Yeah, because if they were terrorists, then we wouldn't be calling them terrorists because they wouldn't be on the right side of history, right? Exactly. Normally the terrorists.

And normally the winners get to write history. Okay. Okay, for me personally, I'm leaning more towards Man and Abyss. I think because, like, Kogi As Yes is an absolute classic, amazing story, great freaking ending. And you think that would have an advantage of a maiden abyss which hasn't finished yet. But I'm thinking about my viewing experience

with both of these. And I feel there was more of an emotional impact for me with a lot of the scenes of Made in Abyss compared to Kogias. I think for me it's more memorable as a show. And I think it's more interesting as a show as well. Just in the fact that you go into Maiden Abyss and you're like, oh, this is going to be some like

cutesy show about discovering a fucking massive hole in the ground. And then you realize like, no, it is gonna go in the complete opposite direction. It's gonna be, as Gant said, some of the most like really uncomfortable scenes. And you know, not just in the way that, you know, we're all thinking, but in the other actual like dark themes as well. But that's what makes Made an abyss so frustrating

as a show for me because it was so cool and it was so, I guess, ingenious in some of its ideas, especially, I like how obviously it's kind of, a lot of the times when people talk about the show, they're like, oh, you know, it's the reason why, I guess it's kids experiencing this stuff is because that's how you can kind of frame it

in such a like horrific way. Yeah, yeah. By showing the naivety of children going through this like really fucked up world. Yeah. There are some scenes that don't need to be there. And then yeah, and then there's just like one or two scenes where you're like, oh man, you're like,

maybe the reason it's about, Now kids is not because it's naivete. And that's just enough to kind of poison the wow a little bit in your head where you're like, why, dude, why? No, I definitely agree with that. Like some scenes, especially in the manga, I mean, my God. Yeah.

You're like, Christ, man. Yeah, the manga, like, you know, people watching the anime will like, look to some scenes and they're like, come on, man, that's too much. And then you went and read the manga and you're like, okay, man. I don't want you're trying to do.

That's a shit because it really encapsulates, especially season two, It was so weird, but like so fucking interesting at the same time. Yeah, yeah. And I just so sad how it all, how I felt like a lot of this has been polluted for myself, my own enjoyment, because I guess I care about that and I care

that that's in there, which I understand that some people don't and they can easily look past that and I applaud them. And I think I still really like the show a lot, which I don't know what this is about me. Yeah, I mean, to me like I, completely agree of your points. And to me it's more about, you know, sometimes you see things in fiction that's

on a morality level and on a comfortableness level, you don't necessarily agree with or, you know, especially, you know, I can think of another show on this list that's, you know, has challenged me in that way. And I'm sure, I'm sure people, I'm looking right at it. Being an anime fan fucking sucks. Why don't wanna talk about this shit? Why don't I have to dissect this?

You know what I mean? Why can't I just, you know, I'm calling Dune, you never had to think about this, alright, never had to think about this. Yeah, but you know, there are some moments in fiction where you're like, I don't really, I don't really fuck with that side of the show. Yeah, but this piece of fiction,

this story does this part so amazingly well that it's, that I, for me personally, I am very happy and very comfortable focusing on the parts that I really do enjoy and I think that I does, fantastically and amazingly, and still acknowledging the parts that make me uncomfortable, but acknowledging that, but also being like, okay, I acknowledge this part,

this aspect of the story exists, but this part is the part that I think is really special and I connect with this part. And I'm, you know. It's always tough having an argument about this, well, I'll be a debate about this stuff because people get so fucking charged about it online. Yeah. You know, when you get that first A380

on Call of Duty, that's how, That's how it feels to watch Code Gios though. When you get that first big kill streak and you start gunning people down. Oh, that's how it feels to watch Code Gios. Why, why? It is like, code Gios is the male fantasy. It is literally male engineered to be like, ooh, oh, yeah.

You know what I mean? It just takes all the boxes in your brain for the guy that like, the male fantasy of committing casual terrorism. He did everything Kirito couldn't. Sure, that is true. He did everything Aaron couldn't as well. Yeah, exactly. Yeah.

He's the perfect giga-chat. Yeah, with the perfect, he was a terrorist. Do you think that Code Gios coming out today would be as, would hit the modern audience as hard as it did back then? Because, you know, you look back, I look back to the ending of Code Giaz versus the ending of Attack on Titan, which both have a very similar, setup and both not knowing it,

if you hadn't like read any of the endings, they could have ended in very, very similar fashions, right? But I feel like they both took different directions with that ending. Kodias was much more of the, you know, fallen hero kind of like roots. And I feel like at the time, this, that felt like fucking awesome, you know?

Whereas to me, attack on Titan felt more realistic. And it didn't hit all, is the same way because it wasn't like as clean cup. But to me that felt like a much more, okay, if this were, if this series were of events were to actually happen in the world, yeah, how would we actually feel about the main character?

Well, I think that's because it's a reflection of the time. Yeah, I think, when did you get a guest come out? 2007, seven, six, started at six, seven or eight. I think it's safe to say, as a civilization, we were slightly more optimistic 20 years ago. Yeah, exactly, exactly, right?

We were way more optimistic. I think the attack on tightness is a reflection of the time we're in. Yeah. I'm trying to cut out ums. I'm trying to cut out ums, sorry. So slap me when I write um, okay? You have permission to slap me for now on.

Awesome. Okay, so one has to go, want us to stay. I am sticking to my gun and going with me into business. Yeah, I, okay, here's the thing about Codegeas. I have to pick one of these, which is very, very difficult. But if you are going to put them in a boxing rink against each other. Are we just going to ignore

80% of Code Gios R2 that we have forgotten? What are you on about? Natalie was the best. You remember Rolo? Remember, remember. Shamed me. I remember Rolo.

I remember Rolo, and that's why I was silent that for a moment because I was trying to think of a defense for Rolo. I didn't even remember Rolo. The only benefit of Rolo existing was that he's he had the same name as the chocolate that we had in the UK. Yeah, pretty much. And that was about that was about what my connection with him was good. I admit, yes,

Code Gear Season 2 was bad and they kind of floundered up until the point where they were like, okay, we're finally going to wrap it up. Yeah. And I do, I do think that them killing La Lusche was probably like, which, listen, it's been 20 years. I can spoil that. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. I'm killing La Lushoff is probably like the worst financial decision that the Code Kios franchise has ever had. Because every time they try to bring him back. Everyone's like, no. Nah.

Well, you know, not in my head camera now. They're making a new code yes now. Again, with like what? Like, La Louche re-incarnated. No, no, it's like, it's like a new characters and just, apparently a new storyline. I would have loved to have seen Lelushian made in abyss.

Just see him really sort. With some good old fashion colonial. What the fuck? Start really sorting out those depths. Get some infrastructure laid down. Get some train tracks. You know, get these weird fucking blob things. It commands you to not feel pain.

Yeah. That scene with it, like, they have to exterminate the thing. Yeah. Just die. Little commands you to just die. Yeah. So like, there's a lot of things in Kogios.

I like Kogios more, I think. And there's one more thing as well about Kogias that I feel like, we looked over a lot in Kogios when we were kids just because it was like cool. But I look back at even like season one, the big turning point where the story had ended, they had achieved world peace. Then the Luce was like, oh, hypothetically speaking.

Let's just say, we've achieved world peace. The story is over, but hypothetically speaking, if I just tell you to kill everyone, kill all the Japanese, that would be a funny, funny ha ha joke, right? K-W. I will agree with you that that is probably- I'm joking. Wait, wait, I said I'm joking.

I'm talking about us. It's probably the single worst way I've ever seen a plot move forward. And in hindsight, you can slam me by the way, I said it. It is probably the worst way I've ever seen a story move forward. Yeah, yeah.

I still think I would vote Code Gios. Okay, but yeah, that's fine. You go with your gut for the name. Go with you, keep one. I made my vote, all right? Yeah. I as well, I love Kevin, but man, that one song was,

do-l-l-l-l-tud. It was like burned in my head. It's burned in my head. Sorry, Kevin. One simple rhyme. One simple melody. Me when I'm colonizing. Moodah, that's not what I'm talking about. Play it, Moodam, play a little bit.

Everyone knows that. It's burned in your head. Yeah, that's true. When like the main character is about to pull some grade A bullshit. Yeah, yeah. That's the song that plays in your head. I know exactly, but I'm going with Made in Abyss.

Made in Abyss goes forward. Maiden Abyss is it for me. All right. Next one. Oh my god. Did you do this on purpose? Boccius. This feels on purpose.

Okay, this is like a big brain rot versus peak brain rot. This is easy, Joe? Yeah. 100% Judas Kaysen. Oh, 100%. It's not even close. Really?

Yeah. Because here's the thing, okay. I really need to get fucking clear this out of my name, okay? So Bortchieu-Hs-Kaysen. I never said I hated Jusukycin. I just think it's okay. Meanwhile, Botchi the Rock, I fucking hate. So, Jusufi, wait, wait, wait, wait, Joey, Joey, Joey, Joey,

when did I ever say I hated Jus DeKykeyeson? When did I ever say that? Joey, when did you say you hate Bochie as well? I said it in front of a live audience last year. No, no, you said that you don't think anyone in like, anyone has as much social anxiety as Bodhi did, whatever. Yeah, I still stand by that.

Yeah, yeah. But I thought you like at least halfway decently enjoyed Botchy. It's just a K-on clone, bro. That's all it is. Bro. I'm gonna say that up front. It's like all these,

it's not just Botchy the Rock. There was like three other fucking shows like Girls Band Cry was another one. Yeah, you're right. Botchy the Rock is a K-on clone, but it made it better. Trying to get some evidence to give some of the band. The songs were mid.

The songs, the one thing that Bocci were not mid, Joey. The one thing, but she could have had. Wait, wait, wait, wait. Joey, Joey. The one thing Boschie could have had at least is to have like a good soundtrack.

It was missed off. It was mean. It's mean. Look, that one fucking performance scene where Bocci pops off, yo, that was better than any of the K-O. You expect me to believe that shit would actually happen though?

No. Yes, so what'd you mean? No, it wouldn't. It wouldn't. That's the whole point of the story, Joey. There is a chick who was like, like 10 seconds before backstage, like pissing and crying in her pants, right?

And just be like, I don't know, I don't know Fabio was before. Meanwhile, the moment she gets on top of the stage, she's just like, actually I am fucking Carlos Santana now. I can fucking rip shit on a guitar. Like, no, I'm sorry, I don't believe that. I fucking believe that, bro. The amount of artists are probably like shitting themselves

before going on stage, and then they go on stage and it's just like a fucking demon awakens and they like tear it up. Yeah, yeah, yeah, the demon awakens. They tear it up and then they go back on stage and then they shit themselves again. That is, you know, that is, sure, Surely, Joey, come on, you've been on stage before, man.

Yes, I have. You know what it's like. You either you have two types of people. Either you, you know, freeze up in the headlights or you just perform and then you shit yourself off. Yeah, but I also know how to talk to people. Well, good thing about being on stage is that you don't have to talk to anyone.

Yeah. It's you, you just have to perform the skill that you have. Okay, right, right, right. Oh yeah, look, to be fair, all right. I have a feeling you don't even hate you. You just hate botchy. You just hate botchy fans, Joey. Well, absolutely, yes. No, I not only dislike botchy fans,

but I also dislike botchy as a character. Because to be fair, Bocci the Rock did have some actual, like goaded characters. Yeah. Like the fucking bassist chick, the drunk one, love her. She's easily the best character in that show. I think everyone can agree. Best character in that show, right? Do I remember her name? No. But I remember that she was a great character,

and I'm like, oh, finally, a good character. But I think just purely on the fact that, look, like, I watched Judas Kaysen season one, right? I just, I'm not fucking crazy about it as other people are. But there were still a lot of parts that I thought were pretty good about Judas of Kaysen. So as a whole viewing experience, huh? The fucking choreography is fantastic.

Okay. Yeah, the fight scenes are goaded. All right. A lot of the characters are great, right? But the thing is, is that as a viewing experience, I'm not crazy about Judas Kaysen, but I would much prefer to rewatch Judah, of Kaysen again over Bojee the Rock.

So I'm voting Judiskeyesen. If it was just Jutskiy season one, I think I would pick Bochie. I would actually pick Bochie. I think in, I think in, I think, yeah, I, I, say psych right now. In terms of like, in terms of like pure enjoyment, in terms like enjoyment, I was like,

you just, you know, bypassing season two of Jesus Kaysen, which I think is, like a new level of just pure fight choreography and animation and all that kind of jazz. In terms of pure enjoyment, I watched Jiu Zika-Sin season one, and I'm like, I mean, it's enjoyable, but it's not any different from anything

that we haven't seen in, you know, Shonen action shows. Yeah, for sure. It is definitely got the rule of cool. It's got fucking Gojo. But they looked at Juzer Kaysen and they went, we're not going to try and fix something that's not broken.

Yeah. This formula has worked for decades now in the Shonen world. We're just going to up the ante a little bit with really fucking good animation and choreography, which, you know, to be granted, a lot of Shonan shows in the past have struggled with that. There are a lot of Shonan shows where it's like, the story is great, the characters are great, but sometimes some of the action scenes just don't hit to that level that I think the fight or that particular scene deserves in the context of the story, right? Whereas Jesus and Kaysen definitely there were, you know,

expecting to be like, all right, there's some fucking intense scenes happening, you know, some great fight scenes with great characters, great power-ups and stuff like that. And we're going to make sure that that impact is delivered upon through the animation. And that was one part of Jesus of Kaysen. I very highly respected. Yeah. Again, though, in saying that, I'm just not as crazy about it as other people are.

Again, I thought it was fine. I don't think it's like the fucking modern masterpiece people are making it out to be. Yeah. But again, as a viewing experience, I would much rather go. with Judas Kaysen. Okay. You've been silent for the past. I've been cooking,

I've been thinking, I've been thinking. I also was trying to remember that one clip. I saw it on Twitter where it was like, they were like, oh my God, the Bocci, the Rock stage actress is just like her. Yes, I have seen that. And I was like, oh, it just looks like a,

I didn't see the full clip, but it looked like it was a person just being polite. Yeah, yeah. I mean, that's just typical Japanese. Yeah, I was like, you guys have just never seen a, you've never seen a real Japanese one.

Yeah, you've been watching too many clips of people in America are directing because that shit is intense and wild. There's too much. I think people are just too comfortable. Yeah, yeah. A lot of the time. I mean, I get, I haven't watched Botchy,

so I feel like it's unfair of me to make claims. I just know that I hate everything that Botchy stands for. I'm definitely against. Yeah, I'm not surprised by, I'm more surprised by your answer. How do I, you know, there's nothing I can chime in here that is gonna make Bochi fans happy.

I just, I just want this not just to be top-sided by, ooh, action, ooh. It's not, it's not. It's not. The reason why is because Bochi can't do domain expansion. My boys, the Jiu-Jitsu Kai. If Bocci would do domain expansion, she'd be like too nervous and we'd find five fucking episodes

to figure it out. Yeah, exactly. You know what I mean? Like, it would be like, oh, I gotta piss myself. I have to go on the stage. All right, cool. Who is botchi for? Oh?

Who is botchy for? Who is botchy for? What is the, what is the, what is the, What does a botchy fan look like? Introverts. Like heavy, heavy introverts. Like, like, mega introverts. Yeah, I mean, I really, really liked Botchy.

Mostly because, you know, Botchi's character is obviously very exaggerated, you know, in terms of like her social anxiety. Yeah. But sometimes she would do things and I'm like, or like react in certain ways and I'm like, fuck, this hits like a little bit too close to home. It's, it's some of like, some of like,

some of like the Gremlin way that, like, there's this, there's this scene. And it ends on like episode four or something. And then she had, you know, it's an episode where she had finally like made friends for the first time. She's like, yes, I'm making progress. And she's just like staring up in the ceiling.

And then she just like has, she just does this like fucking Gremlin laugh to herself. And then the episode just cuts off. And I'm like, oh, I get that so bad. I understand, I understand that feeling, man. See, here's the thing, right, is that I am fully aware of the fact that people like Connor and I are not the audience for Bolchi.

Yeah. And I think that's why I didn't enjoy it as much because I looked at that scene and I was like, all right, fucking, you know. I mean, you guys were born sociable. I had to like go through my university training arc, I definitely, I don't feel like learned. No, I learned, yeah. Yeah, I mean, I didn't, I didn't come out of my mom

being like I am the most sociable I was quite antisocial growing up. So I don't really want to relive that, I think, is what I said previously. That's the thing, it's like, you don't want, it's, it's, because it's not for me, it's not for me, yeah, yeah, it's not, I can't relate to that anymore, I don't enjoy relating to me.

Yeah, I mean, I don't really relate to it much anymore, but like you see some scenes in it and I, you know, I told Sunni, kind of like, it was like some of the scenes reminded me, it's gonna sound like this weird tangent or analogy, It kind of reminded me of watching some episodes of the in-betweeners, you know, where it's, yeah, yeah, you watch some of it and it was just like,

I cringed because I'm like, oh, this reminds me of a period of my life that- You cringe because you relate. Yeah, I cringe because I relate, but like it was like, I laughed because like I can look back on that moment in my life. I'm like, oh my God, oh, it hurts, but it's still like entertaining.

And that's what I found entertaining about Vach's character. Oh yeah, again, I don't. Yeah, I don't. hate the show, I've never seen a bloody episode. I can't hate the fucking thing, but, uh, yeah, yeah, the, the one, the one thing that, uh, I, you know, I probably a lot of people are annoyed with,

or not, not really annoyed with what looked down on is that, you know, some botchy fans, they, they really, like, worship botchy. Yeah, that stuff's a little intense. It's a bit weird. You do think like, god damn, okay, that's a bit much. Yeah, yeah, it's like, it's kind of, well, I would argue it's like similar to what I saw with a lot

of like the K-On fan base as well. Yeah, yeah. Um, but, um, but. but I'm not like Joey, I did not like Keon at all. Okay, I don't know. Okay, if you don't like, here's the biggest thing I don't understand. Why don't, why can't, why don't you like Botchy? How did this guy do like Keon?

Because Keon knew exactly what it wanted to do, which was, it was the most- So does Bochy! No, it was the most, Ceyon is the most, turn your brain off, just enjoy cute girls doing cute things, making music together, happy fun time. Like, oh, I'm sorry,

Botchy has plot progression and character development. Yes, it does, Joe. Aging friends after four episodes is not plot progression. Yes it is, Joe. Yes it is. No, it is not. That is a piss poor excuse for plot. There is no plot in Bochi.

It's about the character development, man. It's about the development of Bochie getting over a social anxiety. Yeah, so is Kion. Kion is the development of all the characters coming together after their differences and trying to create a band. It's exactly the same. Except Kion, the characters aren't insufferable like botchia. I don't know. I don't know about that one, Chief.

I don't know about that one, Chief. All right. Also, the music is a million times better in K on than Bochy. I'm right. I got some, this one guy tweeted at me and he had a Botchy the Rock profile picture and he tweeted at me some vile stuff. And I clicked on his profile

and it was just a bunch of bocci stuff mixed in between a bunch of like gun shooting things. What? And I was like, this is such a weird overlap, dude. I think that's just that dude. You think so? I've seen a lot of weird No, no, there's a lot of, sometimes the biggest way

to make you not take someone seriously is to go in their profile picture and just see, like, a lot, for the longest time, it was K-on profile pictures and it morphed into like botched the rock and they were like, there's like one distinctive type of the Moe fans, which is just like, I like cute anime girls.

Yeah, Moe-Fans scammy. Yeah, I like cute anime girls. Also, you go on a Twitch, I'm like, I'm gonna see the most racist shit I've ever seen in my life. Oh, dude, fucking 10 years ago, When you went onto Twitter and you saw someone with a K-on profile picture, you knew.

It was like, I should not interrupt with this person. And then on the other side, it's just like this, the harmless botchy fans, which unfortunately don't get seen as often, which is just like, oh, I just, I just like cute girls. They're adorable. It's the both sides of this. Yeah, yeah, yeah, exactly. And his fans are always the, yeah.

All right, well, but okay, we'll bring over, Jiu-Zikai-San. I like how this was not so much an indictment of, sorry, this wasn't so much a testament to do you do this quality, more so that we didn't wanna let Bottechie the Rock through. Which to be fair, it shouldn't have been on this list. How the fuck did it get on this list?

No, that's what I'm question. I'm more upset at that. How the fuck did it make it onto the top 16? What the hell guys? All right. I'm jealous, man. I wish I could like something. All right. Hunter.

Hunter. You've been seen this right, Garant. I haven't seen After Story. That's fucked that I've watched this and you haven't. Yeah, that is weird. Aren't you the anime man? No, that's you. That was back right.

That was back when I was just playing old. I thought you did like a video about Clanet After Story. Why the fuck did I watch it then? I only thought I thought I only watched shows you talk about. Jeez, thanks, Con. Bro, I- Listen, your video is too long. I watched Colp's party.

I played that, thanks to you. Oh, okay. No, I mean, I could not get through Clanad. Actually, that was the reason I never got. That is fair. Can you believe there was a World Right got through? that. Yeah, I, how the fuck did that happen? That is impressive.

Yeah. I've changed. You see, there's this thing that happens when you get to like, I don't know, age 16 where you realize, hold on, I don't have to watch mid. I can like watch good stuff. Did you, you just watch everything that was put in front of you or whatever you like. Yeah, why do you think I've burned out?

And you would just watch it because you were like, oh, this is what you do. And then for the first time I realized you could just not watch something after starting it. I was like, whoa, whoa. When anime fans realize the concept of, oh, I can just drop a show. It's become so powerful, you save so much time.

Look, I have, I personally have a special thing for After Story, obviously. I do like After Story a lot. After Story was beautiful, made me cry like a shit load, left me with a very, like- But it took 50 episodes to get me there. Yeah, but looking back on it retrospectively, I can understand why people cannot make it through Klanat.

Because to be fair, it is a lot, lot slower. And half the characters are so annoying. Half the characters are pretty annoying. And also, I couldn't get over the Starfish girl. That's when else. Oh, Fouca. Yeah, Fouca. Dude, I've blanked it from my memory.

I feel like I'm a sleeper agent to something. Because I've blanked that entire. See, as someone who played the original visual model, right? I don't understand why they decided to focus so much on Fouca's story because it is the most mid-story out of all the girls. She just annoyed the fuck out of me and everyone's probably like, oh my gosh, she has such a sad story or something. I couldn't remember her story.

But they all have sad stories. Yeah, I mean, they all have, I mean, I mean, you know, me saying this feels like, I'm like, you know, bullying a cancer patient or something. I don't know if she has cancer. She probably does with how Klanad went. It's just like, not to be rude or anything, but like, I think that it's just like child writing.

Like, where you make a bunch of these characters that are kind of just insufferable. Then you go, no, no, they're not insufferable. They had a backstory. Yeah, they're coping. They're dealing with something. It's like, so the fuck is everyone. I don't want to,

fucking hear about you're a dick because something happened to you. You can't just be a dick or be fucking annoying around everyone all they got him. Even though Klanat's not that bad in that sense, but a lot of other shows I feel like anime does this especially with like, no, this character's not a bad guy. He's just misunderstood. Also, also.

You see in this one flashback, he pet a dog. Also, he's not evil. That means he has a lot. Not evil. One thing as well that I think the Klanah story, one aspect that gets overshadowed a lot, I think, with Klanad thinking back to it now, is that the comedy bit

are like, some of it is like genuinely funny. Like it's really well animated because Kyoto animation was at its peak. I thought a lot of this. I don't remember laughing a single. You know that one video, thumbnail title of like watching this thing until I laugh?

Yeah. It's like 24 hours. Like that's me watching Klanai. Really? Not that I didn't like it. That's me watching most comedy animas, to be fair. That is true, that is true.

I like after story. I did not like Klanke. Okay, yeah, that's good. I also hate that fucking song. Which one? Tung-go, don't go, I think it's cute. And then it brainwashed me

thinking that dango was something that was good and I tried it and I was like, dango is mid as far. All right, I can't forgive you on that. Dango is mid. Dango is mid. I can't make me all that. Yeah, it's pretty bad.

All right, I need both of you to turn in your visas. Dango is fucking mit. All right, but in, I'm not even gonna entertain that. But okay, look, again, for me, for me, after story, you know, very personal show for me, for me, but. Yeah, me too. I say it's the first show that I cried at.

Oh, 100%. But in saying that, Hunter Hunter is just fucking goaded. Like what more can I say? I haven't even watched the anime, and I know it's goaded. I want him to write a sex scene so bad. Togashi? Yeah, it would be like 15 volumes long, all about the difference in NEN. No, it won't even be shown it'll just be like, he'll just describe it anymore.

Yeah. It would be so much writing, but I know that it would go so hard. It'd be like the Meraemise. It would be like the mid of emacy, which would go so hard. It would be like the ejaculation scene, but the ejaculation scene is broken up by like milliseconds and like the decision making. We would see the tournament arc of the sperm.

We would hear in great detail how the sperm was destined to win from the very big. And then every frame it like zooms in closer and closer until it becomes microscopic. The sperm had men. Started forming men from the bullshack. It'd be like a breakdown on how like, it would be a 50 year backstory from the guy

who started embedding men in his ballsack in the hopes that one of his children would become the world's strongest men user from being imbued, even though the sperm lifespan is like a trill a second. And he'd find a way to be like, and this man figured out a technique to ejaculate a single sperm at a time.

But the sperm, but the sperm was in. but the sperm was imbued with all of the energies of the millions of sperm in one. It's like, all the thing just comes out. He died shortly after. We just wrote four volumes. It would go so hard. The way that he writes just things is just awesome.

I don't even know how to describe it. I mean, I think we can all agree. It's gonna go to detail. It goes hard. Yeah. I currently comment on Clown and After Story. Everyone tells me it's so much better than Gwana. Well, we both watched it and we both said Hata.

We both said Hanta. So how the fuck did after story make it up there? What is this list? Yeah. I feel like it looks like there's a, I mean, Clana novel story is still a very, very old favorite. Oh yeah. A lot of fans in our generation and our age.

It is still one of the most emotional shows, I think. I just don't think the payoff is worth it. It's just you have to go through. This is the hardest one so far. Current Lagano, Mob Psych. Horny peak versus normal peak. God damn. Gurnaghan isn't even horny peak, man.

That's kill the kill. That's kill to kill. This is, Gurnagan is like, yeah, the fucking manliest peak versus... They both share a lot of similarities in some sense

about a character having to kind of mature a bit. They do, they do. Which one? Does it better. I mean, I will say, from a critical standpoint, you know, this is the difference between,

my brain and my heart right now. Because from a critical standpoint, both are fantastic, but Mob Psycho does have a cleaner, you know, cleaner story. The development is a lot cleaner, and the characters are so, so well written. But just in terms of like the pure, raw adrenaline,

I feel when watching a show, nothing I think has ever topped Gurin Lagan in my eyes. I 100% agree with your time. Like, you took the words out of my mouth. Just, like, in my head, I was like, which do I go for? Because I, because I've had, I have such, I still remember, like, vividly watching Gurin Lagan for the first time and just, man, some of, some of those, like, scenes, like,

man, the fucking ending. I just remember I was just like, ain't no, fucking, like, the songs and stuff, like, man, I had the most fun watching Gurin Lagan. But Mob Psycho, man, like, I mean, Mob Psycho has probably one of the best stories in anime ever. Yeah, to me, I put Mob Psycho as my anime of the decade of the last 10 years, which I still stand by. I still, I think as an overall package,

it has got such good life messages about, you know, seeing a character like Mob, seeing Reagan as well. Reagan's character development was absolutely fucking insane. to see his progression from being like, Saul, from better call Saul and actually humanizing him and being a really interesting character. Reagan, Reagan made that show for me.

Without Reagan, like, I think, well, Reagan is how Mob's story moves forward. Yeah, totally. And getting to see that development before. And seeing Mob, you know, I think Mob just has like such a good message with this character, which is like someone who's like insanely, insanely powerful

in the constraints of his own world. No one is like a better psychic than mob, but just seeing him still, no matter what, try to go on this path of like betterment and self-development, you know, joining the gym club or what was it called again? Self- Improvement. Self-improvement club.

And just trying to be the best person he can be, even though he could easily just destroy the fucking world. I was like, he's a real one. Yeah. But in Gurin-Lagan, he did punch someone by grabbing a galaxy. And that... They were throwing galaxy.

That was pretty fucking high. I mean, mob has very good. Giro-Leghan has fucking Kaminer, man. Carmen at the Ghosn. That's why he's the Gond! Mop Soko teaches you how to be a man. Giroen-Lagan, you become a man after watching it, you know? Like, you start off episode one, no hair on your balls.

By the end of the show, your balls are hairy as fuck. You become a man. It was, yeah, really refreshing to... And it's kind of a shame that it isn't done more. even after Gurin Lagan, that there wasn't more of like a character having to actually mature and go on, and actually grow up.

Yeah, I mean, it is, we rarely get to fucking see. It has done, Gurunagaun, for me, stands out as doing one thing that I can't think of, like, many other shows doing, which is you take one of, like, your goaded characters, and then you kill them off. Yeah, like, not even, like, halfway through, or, like, you know, like, not even right at the end of the story,

it's like, bam, right in the middle. 14, I think it was episode 14. Yeah, yeah, I was sorry, I was thinking 14 too. I'm not sure if he was 14, I think, I feel like it was earlier, I feel like it was earlier than that, but I remember it being around the halfway point. Yeah, and yeah, he didn't just sit around crying all day,

which was like, yeah, yeah, yeah, he used that to his like, you know, to the best of the situation and grew large than life. He locked the fuck in. Which I appreciate it. We should all lock the fuck in when shit hits the fan. Yeah.

And the problem with Giro and Lagan is that to me it just ruined a certain sect of anime. Because I don't think anything can be as hype as my first time seeing Giro and Lagan. And I don't think anything has...

18. Eight. Oh, eight. It wasn't even halfway through. Holy shit. The fact that he was, it was eight episodes out of like 26. So a third of the way through and we're just like,

now he was definitely 14 episodes in, man. It felt like that. Yeah, yeah, yeah. What made it so impactful is that nowadays, I find that a lot of media when we're consuming it, that normally when something like that will happen, we are signaled so early on, like, guys, this is, it's a happy show.

Yeah. And they'll be like, but there might be something a little bit nefarious, but it's a happy show. Yeah. Whereas this one actually felt like, all right, it's pretty good vibe. Like there was no kind of hint that there were stakes like that. Yeah.

And at least in front of memory, it could be right. Yeah, but that's the thing that like, that's why I think that episode was so impactful for me because you're presented with this character with the fucking much. Yeah, he feels invincible. He's so like cocky and up himself, but like in a lovable way. But it just like your older brother, right? Yeah, yeah, exactly.

The older brother, anything could happen to him. He's invincible. Yeah, dude. Like, yeah, you know, just like, you can't look at a character like that and who says shit like, who do you think I am? Yeah. Like when he says shit like that and you're just like, oh yeah, this guy's gonna be the hero that saves everything and then

and then he's not. Just the fact that Girona Ghan can get away with some of the lines that they characters say and you fully like invest yourself in them and then you actually like swear down if someone said this in real life, people would be like, yo, that's quidged as fuck, bro. If you hear someone say,

my drill will piss the habit. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. I was just like, what the fuck? But when, when coming to sit there's just, let's go! You're like, just, who the hell do you think I am? I'm just like, you have to have a certain amount of energy to be able to get away with getting, with saying that line, and Gurun-Lagan is that to a T.

It's so sick. But when Reagan got like, what was it, like 1% of mob's powers and popped off, that shit was so fucking hype. I mean, it was high, but no, okay, nothing. I don't know, it was pretty fucking hype, gone. It was pretty fucking hype. It was, it was hype, but nothing. comes close to just seeing like,

because Giron Lagan was the first time you're like, how high is it gonna go? Yeah. And then they go to space, and then they go to galaxies, and then you go to the last fights. And then it is just, Gurin Lagan, the last, like, the last few episodes was just pure aura.

Yeah. Every scene, like, every scene, not just like one character, every single character, every single scene just exuded the fucking aura. It's like, I don't know how this happened, but I'm for it. I still, I'm nutting. I still think of that scene where,

like everyone's trapped in some alternate dimension or something. And then it's just the scene where fucking, it's like, uh, Simone and like the anti-spiral or something like that, then everyone escapes. Yeah. And then you just see everyone like, like, like this.

Oh my God. Just, oh, fucking getting goosebumps. Goosepump's just thinking about it, man. Yeah, nothing, gear and a gun, nothing has come close in terms of like pure. and hype for me with Gura and Gugan. And it's kind of bad because I thought that when I watched it

and I still haven't seen anything that touches it in terms of just that. And for that, I've got to go over my heart. I'm going to go Giroin Lagan. It's, this is hard. This is so hard. I'm gonna say mob psycho. This is so hard.

I like Mob psychos so much. Critically speaking, my brain is like, mob is a better show. Yeah. But my heart goes, nothing you have watched since you've first watched Giron Lagarde has come to touch that in terms of... Listen, it's not a sexy story at all times. Mob has to, you know, self-improvement is not a fun topic.

It's not an easy topic to show in a fun way. Yeah, I agree. Somehow managed to mix world-ending insane fight scenes with the mundane of just being a fucking kid in school who also has to maybe go to the gym. That's pretty fucking cool. That's so cool that we can have those two worlds coexist and I almost remember more of the self-improvement stuff than the fights except for like one or two of the fights

that are really like absolutely insane. So I'll say mob for me. Gigadryl breaker. Because the real gigadigar, Gigadryl breaker. I agree, God, but the real giga chat here is being able to look at oneself and improve. This is like one of my favorite Dragon Ball C,

Dragon Ball Z images that gets replied to like every, oh, Goku would never be able to touch Gojo or whatever. It's just like, yeah, nice fucking stupid hacks slash ability or whatever. Now check this shit out and it's just Goku powering up. And it's just like the ultimate, yeah, whatever, mate. That's just Gura and Lagana in G2a T. So I agree of you, but also check this shit out, man. I agree with both of you, which is why this is so hard,

but I'm gonna have to go Guronga, man. I'm gonna have to go Grona Lagan. If I'm thinking about it, I'm like 50 years from now, which one am I gonna remember more? It's gonna be Gron Liga. Oh, that was hard. That was so hard though. It was like almost 50-50 though.

Yeah. All right, Mishok Tensei versus Vinlan Saga. How is Mishok Tensei on here? A lot of ED. Fellow, fellow Isikaa fans rise up. I mean, fellow ED fans. I mean, I feel like I could give a good defense of the show Ketensei against most shows

if it wasn't fucking Vinlan Saga. It's just, you're going up against Piki. It's pretty difficult. Okay, well, I'm sure we'll be talking a lot more about Vinlan Saga. Yeah. Yeah. Feeling it might go through here.

Yeah. I'm gonna go. I mean, I say this as Michoogatense's biggest defender, I'm going Vinland Saga. Yeah, good. I like both a lot. Yeah, yeah. And I watched Michoqa Tense, haven't watched second season.

Yeah. Because I heard that it's a bit of a, I've seen a little bit of, it depends. Micho Ketensee, I, Mishokinsee Season 2, I think, has some similarities with Vinlan Saga season 2 as well, where they just slow things down

and just really focused down on the character development. Is it really just about him dealing with ED? And I was gonna say, the big difference is that you see Thoroughfin realized that violence is, violence is bad. Yep. And he appreciates a good day, Mark. Yeah, and he just appreciates a good day and life is good. And Rudy is like, my dick don't work. What's up with that? What's up with that? Okay, I mean Like, okay. No, gonna lie, that sounds amazing. To be fair, I thought he was like, I, I, I thought he was like, I, I, I, I thought, genuinely, I thought it was like a genius move because the ED is kind of like used as a metaphor

for the depression he's going through because, um, because he, uh, he hits rock bottom. And then he finds out, he thought he hits rock bottom. And then his dick doesn't work afterwards. I was like, ah, guess rock bottom has a basement as well, you know, didn't realize he can get worse. When my dick slumps down, so does my hand. I guess my, my thing with Mishogatensei that keeps me struggling is,

Why should I give a fuck about Rudius? Because I kind of don't. Yeah. I kind of just don't like him. I don't really like him either. It's like I don't really want to watch him go through a struggle and have to, you know, kind of become a slightly better person, hopefully. Maybe asterisk. Yeah.

Well, to me, the reason Michauden-Say, you know, really, I think is a fucking, in some ways, even more powerful than Vinlan saga is because you look at someone. Mike Thoropin, very, very, you know, inspiring character. Amazing, amazing characters in the story, so well written and so interesting. But if I have to look at a character like Rudy and a character like Thoroughfin, can I say I've met more Rudy's in my life than Thorofins in my life? And I would say, I feel like Rudy is more of a reflection of people. You, I, you know, you've seen, you know, we're not necessarily friends with them, but you have seen and you've known people like Rudy before.

We're just like, you know, kind of assholes, you know, and a lot of ways selfish and very, very. I was talking more than, isn't it that he like doesn't go to his mum's funeral and like stays in bed, jacking off to lollies? Oh, I don't know like the start of the plot. I'm not sure if it's lollies, but it's definitely hentai. It might have been lollies in the line, in the line,

I don't fucking know. I mean, it was, I had felt when they were writing it, I was like, I think it's bad enough, he didn't go to his mom's food. Oh, and he's jacking off to, okay. Yeah. Yeah, I mean, it's more of just like, the thing that I really, really like about,

Micho Ketensei is that it is a very, very long journey of like redemption. We are not even close to like the redemption arc happening. It is like one small step at a time, but it's gotta get his dick hard fast. Yeah, yeah, yeah, but without that. I don't think I want to stick to get hard. But I think like without that kind of like time investments, you wouldn't really able to see like a realistic portrayal

of someone actually going through character change or character development. Because it is tough in that sense. I don't know how to deal with that. Yeah, because it doesn't really, it doesn't take any shortcuts at all in terms of showing what it is like to change yourself. Because to change yourself in reality,

it's not like you have one pep talk or, you know, It's not a YouTube apology. Yeah, yeah, it's not a YouTube apology. It's not a Vinlan saga where, you know, you... But that's also, it is also hard to compare the characters given the setting they're both in. Yeah, yeah, exactly. So, obviously was in like modern day.

Yeah. Whereas Thorfin's in like, like, 1200. Like 1200. Not even like 1200, like 10. You know, one, year 1,000 when war was the only option for certain people, right? Yeah. Because, you know, on paper, Thorfin's just a murderer.

Yeah. He's also fighting wars in a time when you had to fight wars. You didn't have a choice and that was part of it, right? Yeah, I guess if you think about it that way, is it that much of a shock that you know more Rudy's? I don't know many, uh, of course, 17th century, uh, yeah, I can't relate to a man who's been trained for war.

Yeah. To come to terms of the fact that maybe he doesn't like killing. Yeah. You know, like, I don't know anyone like it. It's like my mate Steve just like, I don't know any other day, you know, but you know, at the end of the day, you know, I feel like Michelle could tense,

even I say in the fantasy, some of the character writing is very uncomfortably realistic to a point where, you know, there are obviously there are some things that Rudy does that I will never defend and I, always make me uncomfortable. I'm whenever he has a good idea in the fucking show, I just think of that one fucking image of that, the worst person you know just made a good thing. Yeah. That's all I can think about that.

That entire show is that. Yeah. Like he sucks as edged everything. And I even in like, even though I like, I quite like the show. There was always that like nagging thing in the back of my head that he's like, God damn it, he sucks. Yeah.

Especially that first arc where he's, oh my, literally the most insufferable asshole. And I know that, like, and I guess, I guess what's kind of disappointing is that they frame it as that, they set the stage of like,

he is kind of just the worst. Yeah. And I kind of, and like you said, he wanted to change. But I feel at the same time while trying to, trying to change this character

and show change, it also tries to garner sympathy for like what he's done and what he is, which I don't have. I don't have any sympathy for him as a character. And so I feel that when I heard about what the next one was going through and him dealing with oppression, it's like I have no sympathy for him.

I don't really want to give him any sympathy because I just think he's that bad of a person. I kind of don't care if he changes. Yeah. He can just make his own new friends and go and make an impression on other people that care. I don't care. Yeah, well it's interesting right,

because, you know, It's, you know, it goes back to like the made and the miss argument where, you know, there are some aspects of it that will always make me uncomfortable, but I can very, and I very do much appreciate it for the story that it is and the message that is trying to say, even though there is some things that I will never feel sympathy over Rudy about. But, you know, it does go back to that point where, you know, take a character like Rudy, for example, and take a character like Aaron, for example, right? Both have done atrocities, different ways, different scales, right? Very different scales. Very different scales. But in a lot of, in, from what it seems like in, you know, a lot of discussions and how audiences view fiction, it seems like people find it easier to sympathize with what Aaron has done in his fictional world than what Rudy has done. And it goes back to my feeling of, Michoqa Tense, a lot of the reason why it makes people uncomfortable is because it, unlike being, a fucking war criminal

or finding out like you don't like violence and killing people as bad. Rudy is a much more realistic depiction of the darker sides of things that happen or things that people see in our real world. To me, that makes it a more,

like a more interesting show, but that I can also understand where you see some of the stuff he does and you're like, I can, this is like getting a bit too real now. I cannot, I cannot like, I can't. remove myself from this fiction anymore.

Sure. Yeah, it's, it kind of reminds me of like how, you know, in real life, you know, they were people who obsessed with like serial killers and like fall in love with them. Yeah. And like Ted Bundy, they had like loads of fans. Yeah.

Yeah. So exactly get the same, the same level of endurance. Even though, you know, they're both pretty fucking awful crimes. But obviously as a society we've deemed generally one to be considered worse. Yeah. You don't hear of many, Jeffrey Epstein fans out.

It's like fan goals. And that's why I do think in a weird sense, especially when it comes to like, attack on Titan weirdly, some people are more willing to be like, to forgive Aaron. He killed everyone, but he's kind of hot. Yeah, he's kind of like, nah.

That's exactly the same way. He's like, he gets it. Aaron gets it. But like, have you seen his abs? It is just weird, right? It's weird that we make those distinctions when I think both are objectively just fucking awful human beings.

Yeah. But it's weird that for some reason, that is the line that just cannot be crossed. And no one, everyone else can somehow be garnered sympathy one way or another. Yeah. But this one, it's like, yeah, no. Yeah, I mean.

Not that they should get any, but I'm just saying, it's very odd. How are you, we've managed to call it. Like, nope, that's it. That's it. Yeah. I mean, like, it already depends on, you know, to me, I have a very strong line

between fiction and reality. Oh, me too, me too. Yeah. And to me, you know, to me, I've, you know, not even like Made in Abyss or Michelle Coutensays, but like a lot of fiction, there are, you know, there are some stuff

that tackle very, very uncomfortable things, not just, not just, as it has to. Yeah, as it has to. We need to have these stories. And to me, I always have a very separate view of what an author is trying to say in a fictional world,

even if there are some characters or even if there are some scenes that I definitely make me uncomfortable. Yeah, I guess, I guess just like when I'm watching Musa Kutensei, I guess the thing that I didn't really enjoy is that I felt like

the author was trying, or at least in some senses, trying to make me feel sympathetic towards Rudius. Rudy. Rudy. In a way, I don't know, like it felt like the author felt that way. And I don't know

if I'm looking too much into it, but that's just how it felt reading it. I'm watching it, I don't know why I felt that way. I mean, I guess that's why I didn't really like that. Yeah, I mean, if you think of like some of, I mean, obviously Rudy is based on like some, the most extreme end of like, heikikamori and otacus.

And would you be able to say that, hey, Rudy is not like the image you have of like the most like degenerate hikikikamori and otakas you can think of? I would say no. And to me, it's an exploration of those kinds of characters because I think the author asked the message, you know, pose the question of, okay, can these people who are seen,

especially in Japanese society as like the lowest of the low above redemption, can there be a way for them to have a redemption in any way, even if it takes a whole lifetime? Well, apparently, yes, if you just go to another fucking world. That's the problem. Yeah. Like, why can't he do this in his own world?

I mean, I mean... Why does he have to die and be born with magical powers for this to work. I mean, it's, it's, it wouldn't be that money. Yeah, because it's, is it impossible to, I mean, I mean, what you're asking is like a completely different story.

Because I think the Isakai was mostly used as, uh, as a metaphor for like someone actually getting a second chance at life, you know, if you have a second chance of life. Because, you know, it's, it's always weird arguing about what's, because what the ethical thing is, because at the end of the day, people don't get reborn in other worlds. I don't know what the mechanics are of that, you know. We don't know, don't spoil.

It's a guy, ain't no way. Maybe we do, maybe you do, actually. I don't know what happens after death, but... But I'd much rather see Aroodius have to deal with, you know, the current world. The current world? Yeah, I think that would be interesting as well. I think that would be interesting as well.

I think that would be interesting as well. You know, and then we could see him slowly making those changes because him just getting reborn, already wide, like probably like half of his problems off the fucking face of the earth. And now he's just gotta deal with him trying not to be a dickhead. Yeah.

Which is the easiest, the easiest one to fix. Yeah, you know, I would have loved an arc where Rudy used to be like, ah shit, I gotta start eating healthier in my house. That would have been a compelling arc. Have to come to terms with that. I have to get a job, hate taxes. Have to, you know, I'm a part of society.

Have to realize that, you know, maybe I should have Maybe I should try and reconnect with the family I have rather than get reborn into another fucking one which I don't really care about. And then he fucking 1V1's his dad. Yes, and like, in like mental games. One v1s his dad. 1v1 me, dad.

Bye me. I just, I don't know. It's one of these things that way I watched the show and I liked it a lot, but the more I've kind of let it sit, the more I look back less fondly on it. Right. Which is unusual because I think it doesn't normally happen like that.

and we'll make it more time passes. So Vinland's So I guess we're gonna go. Vinlan Sog. I just wanted to talk about what you're gonna say because obviously if it's on the list, it's worth talking about. No, no, of course. Yeah, yeah, yeah. I mean, it's not gonna come up again,

so might as well talk about it while it's still there. Yeah, goodbye. Okay, next up, oh God, we have the top two of my anime list, full metal alchemist versus free rein. That's time to settle this once and for all. Time to sell this. What deserves to be number, number,

One. Well, I haven't watched FMA, so you boys are gonna have to convince me that it's not free rent. Are you gonna say free rent? Huh? You've known free rent? You guys are gonna have to convince me

that it's not free rent. Because I haven't seen FMA. All right, let's talk about free rent for a second. Yeah, all right, all right. Let's say what we like, when we don't like. Number one, it's in like arc one of, I don't know how many fucking arcs. That's true.

We're like saying it's the best thing ever over a fucking prolog. It feels like a prologue when I watched it. I don't know if it is. I don't know how many more seasons we can expect or how long the visual novel. The visual novel? Light novel.

No, no, no, it's a manga. Sorry, sorry, I was gonna say a lie novel, but that was wrong too. So it doesn't matter. See, this is so tough because they're two such different shows and like the things that are good about FMA just don't reflect on what's good about free run.

So it's like, it's fucking apples and oranges. That's why there's, you know, same with like you're in a gun mob socket. Yeah. Just, just, just follow your own. Follow your heart. Follow my heart. Follow your heart. I think I think I think I think is I don't really have heart for either of the. Okay well. I'm trying to cut it. I'm trying to talk about it. I love I love both these shows a whole lot. Yeah. I had a lot of fun with both. Same. Yeah. You know, obviously free rent was

amazing. Did I think the pacing kind of went a little too slow when they were doing a little battle tournament? Yeah, a little bit. I think I think it could have been sped up a little bit. Yeah. We get it. Free rent's powerful. We don't need 15 episodes discussing why she's so powerful. But that tournament or the tuning exams, that maze, that maze fight just one episode too long. And the king of the tomb, relic, Arthur, whatever it was. Bro, it gave us, it gave the internet, like, U Bell's armpits though. That was just like, on my timeline for like a month after that episode.

And before that, before that it was Free Wren's feet on the day. I know she smells so bad. And I know that's why they like her. Yeah. Yeah. I just, I just, I just, I just, I just, I just, I just remember, because I saw the screenshots before I watched the episode and I was like, oh, what, what the fuck is the context of this scene? And I, I, I don't know, I don't even know if it was like intentional or not, but I know it was, like,

kind of weird where, you know, it was like, obviously that pose and it was just like, she, they paused on that post for like a few seconds. So like it was almost like the animation was like, all right, just appreciate this. The animators are like, we're gonna give people enough time to screenshot this. Without pausing. Yeah.

But I did like how they fleshed out all of those side characters. Yeah, that's what I like. Which I'm hoping is their way of kind of setting up a bunch of these characters that will go off onto the world and we'll bump into them again. Who knows how many years down from it.

Yeah. Which I think is exciting. The old guy, I possibly like him more than anyone in the main cast, actually. If only he joined their party, shit would be moving so much smoother. We won, infinite wealth. The man is loaded, two, he would sort this petty bullshit that keep on the-you-wain-for-this shit.

Yeah, he would sort this shit out right away. All right, free reign, although she is the oldest person by far, she has the brain cells of the ability to handle an argument of a five-fifers. year old. Yeah. This shit is not cooking. Why did they get rid of the smoking guy? The moment he left, the whole show became too much conflict and whining. Yeah. Bring him back. It's because he just solves every conflict. God damn. That's why. And he liked milfs, which is so frustrating that they gave me representation. They take it away from me. Instead, I'm left with these stupid

fucking children who keep bickering. The Lord, the Lord giveth the Lord. Anyway, this goat of a man. What was his name? You remember his name was? I don't remember his name. I felt bad. He's an old man. He's old man. He's old man.

You all know who I'm talking about. Yeah, he's the goaded man. He was the goat. Yeah. And if he stuck around, this show would be a lot more interesting. We would have been, I don't know, perhaps we would be colonizing the demon layer. Not just getting rid of it, but making a new land there, maybe a theme park. With his money, with his money and Freen's magic abilities, we could do some serious change.

But, uh. I've been saying that though, like FMA, you know, as people say it's like overhyped, overrated, whatever it is, I mean, it's, at the time it came out, it was such a fucking- It still holds up. It's such a fucking solid shonen. It's such a good shonen.

I think one thing that Fri-Ren is lacking is a, is a good villain so far. One thing that Full Matter-Larker's Brotherhood never had trouble with. And I know that it's because Fri-Ren's not about having a villain. Yeah, I don't rush into it is, yeah. But I think that having some kind of antagonist there and which full amount of liking,

this brotherhood has many. This is brotherhood, right? Not FMA, normal one, right? I'm assuming. I'm just gonna assume it's brotherhood, yeah. I mean, I- I mean, if people voted for the original FMA, I'd be questioning things, but.

They, yeah, they had. You don't think ORA was a good villain? You don't think- The fuck is aura. Who's Ola? Who's Ola? I was just talking shit. It's the little, The little fucking scales.

Yeah, yeah, yeah. No, she's not a good girl. No. No, she's not. But there's so much fan arts of that. I know. It's a disturbing amount of fan art. As cool as that was, I was like, okay.

All right, nobody could have predicted this one. Yeah. I guess that's how they introduced the hiding the manor. Yeah. But you know what's even cooler? Anime Hitler. The first,

The furor. The friar. Pride. I just wanted to the out of context sound bite. Anime Hitler. No. I, okay. How do I?

Is that not Aaron Yeager? No. No, he's not. They literally had pride. Pride is anime Hitler. I think. I didn't pay that much attention to it. No, I mean, I enjoy that for one second,

it's not about. Bickering. It's like peace and fucking quiet when I watch Formal Alchemist. All I gotta deal with is crazy people fusing dogs, which is a nice reprise from bickering number part 50. I would say the only thing about formalel alchemist looking back on it retrospectively is that like there are, you know, because it is quite an older show

in it, what the fuck did it come out? 2008? Was 2008? Hit it. Was I right? In 2000s? I think it was mid-2000s. There are just like some scenes, especially when it's like the kind of more quote-unquote comedic scenes where it just hasn't aged all that well, to be honest. Ready, like, Jim, Bernie? I don't remember specific ones, but, like, just the way that, like,

you know how, like, mid-2000s, like, comedic bits would, like, show the characters? Like, they would do, like, certain expressions or emotions or, like, ways that they would, like, talk or get through the joke. Yeah. That would, like, kind of be, like, ha-ha-h-h-h-h-ha-h-h-back then, which not a lot of shows nowadays do. You know, it's the type of scenes we look at,

and you're like, this is a very 2000s anime, if that makes sense. I don't know, I remember really liking everything about it. Really? Yeah, the only thing I think it didn't do as well compared to the original is obviously everyone always says one of the deaths of one of the characters could have been a lot better.

Yeah. But I think it's hard to encapsulate why I like for my Lankham's Brotherhood so much. It just a solid shot. It feels like the perfect package. Yeah. Yeah. It did everything it set out to do well.

And it gave you... Some of the coolest villains. Yeah, it gave you a very simple to understand, yet still exciting story. One of the best anime openings of all time, hands down. All of the openings of Full Metal is fucking amazing. Godlike animation. Yeah, the animation still holds up, art style still holds up

in a lot of ways. Two main characters are great. I think it's a fun story, fun to follow them. And then obviously they team up with other characters later on. Yeah, I just love Edward and Alfonso's, like, dynamic as brothers. Also the ending. The ending was a 10 out of 10 ending. Yeah.

Like, it's so rare we get an absolute bangar ending. And Fuller's Brotherhood had such a good end. I agree. And tied up nicely. I agree. And we saw some, I know what you're gonna say, gone, and I don't care. You're gonna be like, I agree,

and I'm still voting free rent. Is what you're gonna say? I'm going full metal. Is that what your heart says? That's what my heart says. Okay. I think look at, yeah. Just because Freeran is in its infancy, we can revisit this fight 10 years from now.

I feel like the big thing about free run right now is that we just went through, I guess, the big tournament arc, right? Or the big exam arc. And it made me question, what is the overall story of Free Wren going to like? Fucking tournament arc. Sorry?

The tournament arc. Of course. Yeah, where is the overall story going? Because I think the first, like the first half of Free Rent, it hits really, really fucking hard. And it has, you know, some of the most emotional moments I've experienced an anime in a very, very long time. But I think about the halfway point,

I was like, okay, I'm kind of like getting the message you're trying to like portray here, what else you got? And then they throw in a tournament arc and I'm like, okay, so we're doing something different now. So we're like expanding the story, expanding the cast. Where is the overall story going, right? Because obviously we're trying, she's trying to, there is an overall goal which is she's trying to like reunite it

with Himal and things. like that, but that is going to be a very, very, I assume, long journey. Absolutely. There's only so many times you can, you know, there's only so many times you can have a side story where you go to Free Run goes to- They can't be doing this all the time.

Yeah, Free Run goes, they go to Costco or something and Freerun's like, I remember going to Costco when, Himal, back in the day. Yeah. And hot dogs were, hot dogs were still $1. Hot dogs were still $1.50, cut to flashback. And Himal's like, Free Ren, have this Costco hot dog, please. We're not bored of it.

that formula right now. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Do you worry. And I also worry that, you know, that side mission where they go and get this medal that they had to get, which, okay, sure, they had to get it. Although I don't really, I'm sure Free Wren could have

done some magical bullshit and been like, yeah, nah, I don't need to do that, I beat the demon, Lord, let me through. Did they really needed to go through all this bureaucracy? Especially when she knew who the exam person was and she knew that she was one of the strongest mages alive, so why is this even a thing? Point being, they wanted to go through it,

and the whole point was to introduce these characters. Before all we know, these characters could never turn up again, and it would be a very unsatisfying waste of time. Yeah. There's a lot that is still up in the air about, is this payoff going to be worth it, which I just don't think it deserves to be considered as like the best show ever.

Not yet. Has it set up? Has it laid the foundation to get there? Absolutely. Yeah. Could it easily be one of the best shows, if not the best all time? Absolutely, if it continues,

if it continues delivering on what it's done, but we're too early in. Yeah, because it's too early in. The whole charm of Free Rent is that it is a show about side quests. But after a certain point, you have to start fucking moving the story. Yeah, after a certain point, that is going to get boring. That is the story.

No, it's not. Oh, yeah, I agree, that is the story, and I believe right now, I've just like, I've seen the whole season of Free Rent, I'm like, that is a great concept. How long can you live on that concept alone without going to a main quest storyline. And I think that's why I really, really hope,

because they'll probably have to have some kind of conclusion, some big conclusion, right? How do you conclude it, like, in a way that's satisfying? You need some kind of big payoff, right? Do you throw in a villain that is, because I don't think the demon king is, it doesn't have to be like, it doesn't have to be like, I already know what the, I already know what the payoff is going to be.

Yeah, me too. Like all the, like, I can imagine this in my head Free Run gets to the point. She- Well, like, you can't just be like, side quest, side-quest, fuck Himmel, Himmell's ghost. That's it, right? You know what I mean? Like, there needs to be, there has to be some big thing

to earn seeing like the- or maybe not having the- Or at least like tying all the loose ends of all the side quests together into something that makes coherent sense. And then be like, then we found Himmel. Yeah.

Well, it's, you know, what I mean? Sorry it took this long. What you're talking about is your, there is no big, conflict that is, which they eventually have to set up. Yes. All she needs to do is, you know, find Himmels, ghosts or whatever, have an emotional reunion with all of the life lessons

that she has now learned. So she's never gonna meet Himmel. Even if she doesn't, you know, even if, even if it's like a one piece where I was like, ooh, is the one piece real? Is it, is the one piece real? Himal is real. You can clip this and in 15 years,

when the story's done, it'll be, Himal won't be there. Yeah. It'll be like, oh, she, she, she, Had to learn to appreciate the people she was with the old time, you can't bring back. So that's why these side quests were really worth it because you can spend the time with the people you love in the moment.

That is literally the entire story. And that's all it needs to do. That's all it needs to do. Because if they meet Himmel, then it kind of is like, oh, I guess it didn't really matter that you made all these friends on the way. Yeah. Just hang out with them when they're fucking dead.

Yeah, and now I was just like cut to 80 years later. It's like Fern as like a fucking old grandma, now not a fucking child anymore. hopefully and Free Renco's the meter and I'm like, I'm gonna be bawling my fucking eyes out. I'm already picturing the scene. Oh yeah, I will ball my eyes out.

Yeah, yeah. And I'm just like seeing that, I'm like, that is, that is the emotional payoff. All I need, it's, it's what happens in between that is that's really, that is really going to be the big of term. I'll think I'll bowl as much as though when Edward proposed. I bowled quite a lot during that. That was a very sweet proposal.

Oh, yeah, that was a scene. A very sweet proposal. And tied off that bone nicely. That's why I'm voted for Full Metal Angers Brotherhood. Sorry, FMA takes it. FMA. Sorry, for you. Maybe in five years, free rent.

It might change, you know, that. It might change. Steinsgate versus attack on Titan. Mid versus Mianch again. They're kidding. He said that. Joey the enemy man too. When we spoke about Steinsgate last time

in detail, I think a lot of the people who watched the show went to go and watch it. It was interesting seeing. Newer fans get it. into it. Some of them were like, it wasn't slow at all. And I was like, come on now. Come on, come on now.

Come on now, boy, come on now, boy, come on, come off. Boy, I know you. You're lying to me. I know that ain't the case. I know you might have lost track of time, but it's a long time you just sunk in. A show can still be a slow pace and be objectively good.

It doesn't make you, I hate this thing when people, people are quite slow burns with like, yes, I'm intelligent. I didn't feel like it was slow at all. In fact, for my mental faculties, it really felt on par. I don't know. Yeah, I'm slag.

Yes. No, I think, uh, this is, this is tough. This is tough. This is, two very different shows. Is this tough for you guys? It's not tough for me. I know what you're gonna say.

Tag on Titan. I know, it's easily a Tack on Titan for me. See, my heart, my heart's saying Steinsgate. It's tough because it's like, arguing Apple versus Go-Cart. Like, who did it better? You're like, you're not better. Being the thing that they are,

you're like, okay, I guess the orange is more orange and the Gokot's trying to go cotton. Like I think that it's such a tough comparison, although they are two animas. They both don't even remotely try to deal with the same thing. No, yeah, yeah, no, it's not, but it's, you follow, you follow your heart and you follow, to me, I just follow.

To me, I watch entertainment for emotions, and, you know, that to me is emotions. Sorry, that to me is entertainment. What kind of emotions did I feel watching your show? And I would say that just attack on Titan, the roller coaster, the apps, because to me, both of these are roller coasters. Yes. With a lot of twist and turns, a lot of different aspects to their story.

And by the end of them, you feel like you are out of breath because of just the fucking journey you went on, you went on. But to me, Attack on Titan was the more exhilarating right. Yeah, I agree. It's kind of hard to argue that Steinsgate wins this one. My hardest thing, Steinsgate, but at the same time, like, it is true. I think Attack on Titan just had the more potent watching experience. Yeah.

When you look at it from the long run. I mean, Steinskate, you know, at the time I watched it, definitely I fucking blew my mind out the water. But just, yeah, when you're... you think back on the sheer journey of Attack on Titan, it's definitely more profound, I think, than Steinsgate. Yeah, and Steinsgate had a great season one. No one even remembers that it has more seasons.

What? Well, yeah, no one watched Steinsgate Zero. I watched the movie. I watched the movie, I watched Steinsgate Zero. I did not. I watched the movie, I didn't watch the Steingate Zero. Did you like the movie? Maybe Zite.

I don't remember anything from the movie. I cannot recall a single detail of the movie. Did they go to America? Yes, they went to a diner. I remember he was driving a red, like, Cadillac. Yeah. Oh, yeah. I don't recall anything.

No, me neither. Anything. I don't, I think, ultimately, it's, it's one of those safe. I like anime. It's in my top 10. This is, like, generic list you'd see online. Yeah, whereas. It's like a skill check.

Like, oh, you've watched stuff that isn't shown. Whereas attack on Titan is a rare occurrence where I think an anime or manga of that is doing or did fantastic things got the hype that it deserved. And I think if it wasn't as popular as is now, people would still be calling it a fucking masterpiece. No, 100%. Even if it was an underground show. Well, Rip Steinskate.

All right Stainscate. Attack on Time goes through. Yeah. Still a great show, though. Still a great show. All of these shows are great except for Bochie. Yeah. Because I haven't watched it.

Not because I think it's a bad show. I agree. Okay. Oh, Jesus Christ. One Piece versus Jojo's bizarre adventure. It took us an hour and a fucking half to get here. This is hard, man. Oh, it's so hard.

Oh, shit. Because look, like... Okay, Garn. You're saying One Piece, right? Yeah. Okay, I'm saying Jojo. So, Joe... Oh, fuck. While we discuss, while we discuss, can you, like, do you think?

Like, yeah. Like I said, I'm following my heart. See, this is tough for me, right? Because obviously, I love both. I love both as well. I think length equals better. And there is more Jojo than One Piece. So by that logic, Jojo is better.

See, because Jojo, both Jojo and One Piece for me, right? Jojo One Piece for me is, it's not a perfect right all the way through. Obviously, there are peaks in certain arcs as well as, you know, with Jojo with its parts. Some parts, not as good, same with One Piece. Some arcs, not as good. But, see, this is tough because One Piece is just that one continuous journey. This is like the heavy weights going up. It's the heavy weights.

But I think both shows have very glaring flaws. No, 100%. They do. I think that both the starts of all of these, both of these shows are pretty weak. They are weak. They are weak. Yeah.

The other ones on this list, right? I think that obviously, Phantom Blood gets a lot of, a lot of smack for being a really bad part and you should skip it, but I mean, it's really not. It's eight episodes, it's over pretty quickly and it's pretty concise. It's not that it's bad.

It's just, it's fucking long. Yeah. I think that's the thing. It's like, Jojo Part 1 is not necessarily bad. It's just when comparing it to the later parts, it's just kind of underwhelming. Yeah, obviously you can't have like fucking

Dirty D-Dits done cheap where he can spend space because it's literally just the one guy who plays rugby and is strong and breathes good. That's the thing. Iraqi didn't know what the fuck he was doing in part, right? And it shows. But it's still good. It's still a fun part.

I hate what we'll say skip it. Do not fucking skip it. No, don't skip it. Well, these are both. shows that require a lot of investments. Oh, 100%. To get into the series and have some of the two, one more than the other.

Which one? One piece more, you're gonna. One piece requires more investment. I'm sorry, but the- I think one piece requires more investment because it is one continuous story with a cast you followed the entire time. Well, yeah, one-

Jojo gives you kind of like small little breaks, right? Yeah. As it goes from one part to the next, even though intrinsically, when you look at it from the bigger picture, yes, it is all one giant story, in a sense, You're constantly shifting your attention with the Jojo parts, whereas with One Piece,

you have to stay focused on this one group of characters. And if you lose that focus, then you're just like, you're lost. Yeah, yeah, I do enjoy the fact that Jojo's, it's almost an exciting thing getting to see the end of a journey being like, I wonder what the next crew's gonna be like. Yeah. But the fact that One Piece takes like 200 chapters

before anything kind of starts happening. See, for me, like, I've, So obviously I'm not caught up to the One Piece yet. Jojo's, I'm not caught up on Jojos. I am not caught up in Jojo's. I am caught up on Jojo's. In fact, in the Jojo Lanes? Yeah, I've, I have volume one of part nine.

Yeah. It's been okay so far. It's warming up still. Jojo's always has that though. See, that's the thing, my viewing and reading experience of Jojo and One Piece are so different. Like for me, definitely the more epic moments, I've had more with Jojo.

but I've also cried more watching One Piece's. So it's like which do I rank above the other? It's kind of hard. Yeah, I guess because I mean, I haven't read all the one piece shows. It's hard for me to really argue. Yeah, but you've seen some of the peaks. Yeah, yeah, yeah. I mean, obviously I've read all of Water Seven.

Yeah. All of that arc, which is great. So good. And you're getting through the White Beard Whitebeard War. Yeah, because of the Great War, whatever else. And that's also awesome. But I don't know, man. Just something about seeing them on the horse

shouting, use the rotation, Johnny. It's just so kind of fucking hype to the core. Just part seven is such a goaded piece of media. He really just like, he really just like, it felt like his powering up arc for that one fucking arc of media where he decided he was just gonna destroy it. Absolutely decimate.

And just the random glow up of Valentine, funny Valentine. It's just like, it made no sense, but I'm just like, I'm here for it. So much for it didn't make sense, but that's what makes it so fucking good. Yeah. I mean, I fucking love both.

And it's really hard to choose because what they do well is completely, completely different. And I don't, I think it's so hard to separate. You should argue one piece. Separate, yeah, play, yeah. But I will argue One Piece because, you know, this is, this is not even me critically speaking anymore. This is just me as just a fan of like, storytelling.

One Piece makes me a fan of storytelling. Because what Oda does with One Piece, he just has such, like I said, such a passion for just, it's just the most simplest storytelling that you can think of where it makes you feel like a fucking kid again, hearing like a fairy tale with some of the ideas that he like comes up with, right? Because some of the ideas he comes up with

and some of the characters are fucking ridiculous. But he has the imagination, like he has the imagination of like a two year old where anything is possible. Anything could work. But then he like brings it all together somehow and makes this coherent world with these lovable characters that has just such a depth to the world building. I think it has some of the best world building I've seen in fiction, not just in anime, not just in manga.

I think the world that he's crafted with everything is something. It's like it's up there. It's like one of the best worlds. Yeah. Also with one piece I think as well. one strong thing that Oda has over a lot of other Shonan characters is that he knows how to do a flashback. He is one of the few major shonen artists who,

if we're in a particular arc and we're focusing on a particular character's backstory, he knows not only exactly the perfect place to put a flashback, but also, unlike, say, someone like Kishimoto, doesn't drag that shit out to infinity. Bro, to the point where it's like, oh, Kishimoto's shit, why is he catch him? Watching strays, Joey.

I'll take an excuse. I should remind us as well. I can't really talk about part seven. I forgot for a second now, we're talking about anime. Yeah. Yeah. We are talking about anime, which is bad for both of these shows. Because I think their anime counterpart is generally considered to be.

Oh, yeah, no. I would rather read these than watch them. Yeah, yeah, most definitely. It's unfortunate that, I don't know, part six was really good, but at the same time, it felt bad. so much better to read than to watch. Oh yeah, definitely. I don't know why.

Part six is my favorite part and I thought the anime was just kind of not. I don't know why is that? Because I felt like part five was so much better in anime. Yeah. Part five really nailed it. Maybe it was the Netflix, the Netflix jail, I don't know. No, I don't know. Something about it fell off, definitely.

I just didn't feel as compelling as part five for sure. Part five was really fun. I really liked. I'm an anime watcher and part five was my favorite part. Yeah, yeah. Which is insane because I think normally manga readers, normally part five was not really considered one of the better parts.

Yeah. It was normally. Okay, I've made my decision. Ah. I am going for one piece. Oh! It's so tough. I tried to be, but, yeah.

One of them will get you laid. Maybe not with the sex you intended, but you will get laid. You will not. Yeah. Is that true? I don't know if anyone's getting laid watching Watching either of these ones.

Judges. I don't think anyone's getting laid watching anything on this list. What are you all about? Me and the other attack on Titan fans. We love genocide. We'll be getting plenty. All right. Let's go round two now.

We're in the top eight. How long have you been recording for? 134. Well, I think it'll be a lot easier to go. It'll be a lot easier. Because we won't have to run. By the way, we plan to do multiple anime brackets. Looks like we're gonna have time to only do one.

Thanks to way too heated. That's well fucking, yeah. Japanese, okay. Where should we start at the bottom again? Let's go to bottom again. All right, Jesus the Kaisen versus made in abyss. It's made in abyss. What?

What? It's made in a bit. What? It's made in abyss. No. It's made in the best. Come on, man. You are getting blinded by the goaded animation.

It's made in abyss. You've got the brain rot. You've got the brain rot. You've got the brain rot. Yeah, it's what the map employees would have wanted. Come on. All right, let me, let me ask you, how highly do you, how highly do you actually rate Jujits Kuyzen

compared to like the other shonans that you've seen out there? And take away the whole thing of like, oh, you know, it's because the community is God, or the memes are going to take all of that away, just purely focus on the show. You know this, every time we've been bringing up someone said Jujits Kaistan,

I just keep thinking to that fucking image of Peter Griffin drawn as Gojo saying, I'd win. I don't know if. My brain is actually irreparably damaged. You've got the brain rock, yeah. I'm irrefilar, I can't even English. Irreperable.

Yeah, I can't think. Listen, no, I know, I know that you guys think my judgment is being clouded by the amazing animation. And it is. But I would like to remind you that it is that goaded and that fun to watch. We have never had such visual cocaine stimulation in human history.

Demon Slayer. No, not even. I actually watching the two, nah, I don't think Demon Slayer is nearly as good. I think, I think they're on par to be honest. I think in terms of like, when he started kicking those bunnies, that was it for me. I was like, this is a life-chering.

I have not. I have not it. I have not it. I couldn't believe that. I was like they did not need to go. I'm gooning while listening to this free chat soundtrack. I mean, what I say is in terms of like, a visual spectacle. I think that both, in my humble opinion,

both Demon Slayer and Jiuza Kisan are about the same level. It's season two. Season two of Jiu Jitsu Kyson may have had more episodes in a row, I will like concede to that. But the big difference is that Demon Slayer has like one style, one kind of like, one kind of like visual style.

And it is very aesthetic. It's like a cool painting style. Jesus Gleason is just cool. It's just way cooler. It's like Daniel and the cooler Daniel. You know, Jesus Giza has the fucking energy, has the swag, as you call it. And some of the fights have so much variety in them

and different styles. Jesus of Kyson definitely has the swag. Don't get me wrong, but the main in a bit, made in abyss just is an experience that is unlike many other, if not any other, anime that I have seen. Like it is so incredibly dark and so potent

when it comes to that kind of emotion, like that feeling of like hopelessness that you can feel through the characters. Yeah. And it just gave me more of an emotional impact. Yeah. In terms of just pure story. Like the movie is fucking incredible for Made in the Bias.

Yeah, in terms of visual specs cool, Judas Guyson's Solo's... Most of these. Pretty much everything on the list. In terms of like visual spectacle. Yeah. In terms of anything else, that's about it. Oh, I don't know.

I don't know. Why does, okay, I think this is an unfortunate problem where Jitsu Kaysen has such good, stronger visuals that everyone just thinks that there is just absolutely nothing else about the show that's good. And I think that's not fair. Like, I think the show is actually like decent. No, no, it's not, no.

But everyone acts like, it's like, like, the story is much better than Demon Slayer. And Demon Slayer is so fucking boring. How? I'm not fucking falling asleep every goddamn episode. Because they're fighting every episode. Thank God for that. Thank God for that.

I'm asking from a story perspective, what do you think makes it better than? Well, I don't, okay, listen, Fisco boom. I'm not going to this whole talking thing. No, I, when there's downtime in Jude's Carson, which, you know, in the second season was rare. There was no downtime.

There was never any downtime. Yeah, but the only downside we had is when that girl was sleeping with a little brother. which was kind of weird to include that. I felt like that was not. Not necessary. Did feel like that was a little strange. That was some kind of domain expansion

I didn't anticipate. They're expanding something else. Yeah, something got a domain expanded. But I generally didn't mind when the characters were just hanging out and doing their own thing because the characters felt strong enough to be able to carry themselves

and be interesting outside of the fighting. I think it's almost, it's almost, hmm, hoomst. I genuinely like all the characters in Jujitika. Yeah, I didn't mind when they were hanging out in school and talking and bantering, especially, you know, and the first season I felt like it was, I genuinely liked the banter. It felt a bit like, I don't know,

felt way more realistic than I guess Demon Slayer to some extent. Yeah, I mean, Demon Slayer, the big problem with Demon Slayer is that I generally, like a day trip to Harrodukee. Like, I generally don't really like the core cast of Demon Slayer as much as I do Judisikyerson, but that's not so much of just like the character development that they've gotten.

It's more of just like, I just think Tandra is way too much of a goody-to-shoe, good boy. Yeah. I don't know Tadro. It's just how the poor man is stuck in the most boring story of all time. It's just like the Sonic of their universe.

It's just like, yeah, gotta go, well, Sonic is more personality. And like, to me, Judis Gajan has always just been like a little bit edgier, you know, it's like when you, it always had a little bit of edge, but it kind of like, dialed it up a lot this season.

Oh, it definitely did. But that's why I made it so good, because it was, it had this kind of like happy go lucky vibe in the first season where like, oh, all the problems will always get fixed at the end of the day. We got Gojo Sanse who fixes everything. And if he doesn't, we'll try our best.

Yeah, but that's the basic shonen formula. Yeah, but that's why I liked that they were willing to like throw that all out. And even though they told you from the start, right? They were like, look, this is, this guy's fucking dangerous. We probably shouldn't keep this guy around. Yeah, but like, I'll keep him around.

Like in the same way, like for example, I don't really know what makes UG tick. UG? Yeah. I mean, he seems like a cool guy, but I like, I like grind. Like, like, when there was a moment in season two of Jesus Guyson, when he went through this big,

like he went through this big moment of just like, he is just suffering, he's just having a bad day. I can really get emotionally invested in it because I can obviously see, oh, there are bad things things that are happening to him, he is suffering. But it was like, well, I don't really, I don't really know what kind of guy this person is to begin with.

All I know is cool kid. But I liked how he could see him changing through the fights, like he was getting visibly more jagged and kind of, a little more, those edges of being added to the smooth ball that was once there. Yeah. I really like that aspect of his character.

Like, you don't need that to be conveyed through 15 fucking flashbacks, which I'm tired of. No, you don't need it to be conveyed through 15 fucking flashbacks. Thank you for quoting. Yeah, yeah, yeah. I feel like I feel like I barely really knew the character

or like any of the characters. In fact, my favorite arc in Judges Keisen from a storytelling perspective was the Gojo flashback arc. The actual flashback. Yeah, that was the only time. That's not more like a prologue than a flashback. Yeah, but that was the only time. I've really felt like,

okay, these are interesting characters with interesting motivations that changed during the course of that arc. And that was like one of the shortest arcs in Judi-Sikaisen. And yet I went out of that arc feeling like I understood those characters more than like the entirety of season one

and like post the Shibby arc in season two. You know what I mean? Yeah, I reminded me that I saw this image on Twitter that was like a guy falling asleep on like some kind of like telephillade phone box and he was posed like Gojo in the sky. They made me laugh so fucking much. God, that arc was so fucking good.

Yeah, like to me, the problem with Jiuzzy Kaysen is that a lot of like more interesting characters, to me at least, are not the main cast members. Like you have like obviously Gojo, which, you know, even before he had the fan base, like, to me he was like, after the, his flashback arc, to me, he did. did become one of the most interesting characters. Same with the villains as well.

Obviously, Toto as well. And it's just like, you know, it's just unfortunate that, you know, a lot of the criticisms is that Judis-Kyson is a lot of style over substance. And I don't, yeah, and not enough has been presented to me within the anime for me to go against the argument. It is very stylistic. It is so stylistic.

Yeah. I tried my best. Yeah. I tried my best. All right, Maiden Nabis goes through. All right. Our audience is gonna be fucking losing them. I just wanna on the rag.

I'm not voting for Maidenabit. Anytime. I'm voting for Maidenabye. I am. Fuck, say. All right, Gery and Lagano, Hunter Hunter. Fuck. This is easy for me.

Yeah, I know for you as Hunter Hunter. Yeah, it's Han Hunter all the way. Hunt Hunter is just such a- Oh, they're both so good though. Goate a piece of media. To me it's easy. Gur and Lagarde. Why are you doing this to me, guys?

Why? Every time we- Why is it Giro-Leghunter-Hunter? Explain yourself. Because I think Mob Psycho is a better show than Hunter Hunter. And Giro-N-A-Gon. What?

Yes, yes. Wait, what? No, I like Hunter-Hunter-Muh. I don't know if I agree with you all that. I like Hunter. I think Hunter Hunter is probably my favorite anime of all time. It's absolutely goaded.

From start to the best Shonen, flat out. How do you know it hasn't finished? It doesn't even, that's it. This is like free, we're only at the power. They only just got to the main continent. Anyone who thinks Hunter Hunter is finishing is an absolute fool. It's not finishing, all right?

You should lock in and understand that. So now that we can look at it objectively that Hunter Hunter is over. All right, which it is, which it is, it's not ending and even if, okay, let's say he comes back. There's no possible way you can wrap this up in the amount of time

that this human has. Yeah. So looking at it, like even then, without a goaded ending, which I've used to argue other shows here, it's like a detriment. Hunter Hunter is such a strong package that it doesn't even need an ending

to be one of the best things of all time. Right. Full stop. Like berserk. Like, berserk. Like, I don't think berserk, people would argue that berserk is less because it doesn't have an ending.

I think a lot of people have come to terms with why doesn't have an ending. I think people appreciate the fact that sometimes shows don't have endings rather than half-baked, shitty ones. Well, I think that it is almost helpful, because then you can wonder, you can be like, where would it go? Well, I think the difference between Hunter Hunter and Freerun

is that there does, there's a different- Feels like there's a natural ending that you would be like emotionally satisfied with, which is before the dark continent art. Yeah, yeah. That feels like- And also the different lengths of time. Yeah, yeah. Like the hunter-hunter at that point has gone on

for a lot longer story-wise than Fri-Ren has. To me, it's, this is like unga-bunga monkey brain talking now, which is like, Gurin-Lagan, like I said. Oh, fucking why we put Akemega kill on here then while we're at it, you know, just fucking put that up here. No, you did not just say that. We would drop that immediately. Did you just compare us to being a kill to Girl-Legon?

How dare you? I just can't believe that you are, you're shutting, you cut and dry. that Hunter beats Gur and Lagan here. Like to me, Gere and Legan and Mob Psycho was a harder choice. Obviously, I fucking love Hunter Hunter. It is, it is fucking fantastic. It's a hard choice.

So tough. I made it in 0.1 seconds. But like, yeah, I made it, I made it in 0.41 seconds because to me, I do hold Mob Psycho in personally a higher regard than Hunter Hunter. So the hard choice was made on the previous choice for me.

I just think there, There is so many more highs in Hunter Hunter. Because it's longer. Because it's longer. But I think even- But the highs that Gurulagan reaches to me are untouched. Yeah, he makes it point. Untouched.

I disagree. Dis-fucking greed. I'm sorry. Are you gonna pretend? Do you disrespect Metro like that? Yes. Are you disrespecting natural? I'm sorry.

The entire arc of the Phantom Troop, which is goaded. It was guarded. Even the Hunter exam, even though it's considered one of the weaker arcs, it's so fucking good, so good. It's setting, what a great way of setting up a ton of characters at once,

you know, I would dare say, one of the greatest animators of all time, Freeland, copied the Hunter exam, but worse. All right, listen, as a, to quote Goku, yeah, noise hacks, men ability, and great written characters. Now check this.

Shit out. Are we forgetting that, like we said, Nen is, we've all agreed it's the best power system in any anime. I totally agree with you. I agree. Are we forgetting. You, you are.

Are we forgetting Gons Ark? I would argue better. Better than that little piece of shit and Guren Lagan, who I don't even know his name. I forgot his art. Simon. What are you, Lion King? Get over yourself, buddy.

No. All right, listen. Let's be honest. All right, Joey. All right, listen. Gone with long hair. I am and have always been a quality over quantity, man. So I'm gonna have to go Greenland-Gone.

Oh my God. You are doing this to spite me. You are a moron-so. Because there are, yes, there are just as many highs, if not more highs in Hunter Hunter than Green-Laghan. But there are more lows in Hunter-Hunter-Hunter than Greenle-Laghan. No, that is not true at all. The entire like fucking auction house arc was boring as shit.

I like the auction house art. I don't understand why people like that arc. I don't know. Wait, is this how I win with a take that I just outrageously disagree with? I thought, I don't understand why people like that arc. I thought it was so bad. That was like one of the, you mean the single fucking arc I dislike? Also, does Gurin Lagan have a character that uses the bong?

I thought you would vote for the show. What the fuck, Joey? His, his net ability is that he fucking rips bong. Yeah, that's sick. What the fuss? I love it. There's a fucking octopus that is like a sniper dude who's like, yeah, I've seen some shit.

That is fucking objectively way better than Simone being like, oh man, my friend died. So what? Gone fucking sacrificed everything for his friend. Yeah, so did Sima. Yeah, but he didn't have to sacrifice shit he got a mech made for him on other people's hard labor and then went to space and threw it all away.

To be fair, this, for me, this, this, this, line up. It was just as hard as one piece in Jojo, so it was one or the other. But I just had more fun watching Greenlegan, man. Yeah, it's, you got to go with your heart, man. I'm going with my heart. Again, the mind says my hunter, hunter, the heart says Girin Lagan. All right, FMA and Vinland Saga. Fuck, it's not going to get easier, is it? Well, no, that's why it's a tournament arc, Joe.

It's easy for fucking him whenever FMA appears. Yeah. He can just be like, I see nothing. Yeah, it'll get hard for me when we need, we reach the next one. All right, I'm gonna be first to make a decision this time. I'm saying Vinlan So. Okay. I was gonna say Vinlan Saga. Okay. Only because I'm biased.

Because of Ascalade. Yeah. I had a better. Well, let me ask you guys, does FMA do anything better than Vinlan Saga? Doesn't do Welsh people better. Because I'd argue not a lot. Yeah. Because we're putting them head to head. Does FMA, obviously, one of the most critically can't claim

anime of, this is the strongest anime of history versus the strongest anime of today. Yeah. Hmm, that is a great question. Does it do anything better? Yeah, because to me, Villan Saga, especially season two, is a modern classic. So having not seen FMA, I would oppose you guys the question.

Does FMA do anything better than Vinland Saga, aside from, of course, power systems and fantasy? Um, hmm. But I actually really like fights in Vinland Saga a lot. I like fights in Vinland Saga a lot as well. You know a few and far between. I really like how they're done when they're done. I also think character development was just done better

in Villan Saga than Full Metal, even though the full metal character developments for like both enemies, like villains and like the main cast were good. Yeah. Absolutely, it was great. But like, yeah. But Villan Saga, man, some of the fucking character development scenes are just like, oh my God.

Like finally. Yeah, season two of Vinland Saga doesn't even feel like anime. Yeah. Like I think that, I was trying to think about the difference here. And I kind of almost see them as two different like genres. Yeah. FMA is everything in anime is about and is the best at it. Yeah.

Whereas Vinland Saga, especially season two, is more of a newer direction that I think that a lot of manga's going in where they're trying to tell a little more grounded stories, a little more real, trying to touch more into the human aspect of story. as opposed to just how system villains, that moves to plot forward. Well, I feel like season two, that's something that just transcends anime. Like a lot of anime.

But I feel like that's coming a bit more commonplace in manga a little bit. Well, there is few stories that hit as hard as Villas Saga too does in terms of like, you know, it might sound like cliche, but there are some stories that, you know, if people quote is life changing. And a lot of people have told me,

you know, you come out Villan Saga with a new mentality. with like a new way to look at life. And that's just a pure power of that story. So it's gonna take a lot to beat Vinlan Saga. All right, Vinland Saga. I can't name one thing that I like more. Yeah.

Yeah, I like Vinland Saga in pretty much every way. All right, one piece in a time. I'll like you boys handle this one. I don't feel too strong. I'm going with One Piece. I have just had a better viewing experience of One Piece. What are you going for Connor?

I don't know, this is so tough for me, because I've only read half of one. Yeah. And I watched Attack on Titan, and I like Attack on Titan a lot. I like Attack on Titan too. Well, I will say, I will say, from where, for where you are now, you have experienced pretty much

most of what makes One Piece great. It'll continue to be great, right? But you have experienced the soul of One Piece. I'll choose Attack on Titan then. Okay. Okay. I knew it was going to come down. This is,

shit. My heart's in both of them. So this is going to be. Walks through. Walks to your thought process here. One Piece represents everything that I love about anime and I love about storytelling as a teenager, as a pure kids.

Attack on Titan represents everything I love. about anime and storytelling as an adult. So inside of me there are two guards. What is the case? Inside of me, there are, there are, there are two guards. I am a one piece son and an attack on Titan son. Which do I choose? I am a one piece child and an attack on Titan adults.

Obviously something that attack on time has over one piece is an ending. Well yes. I mean I would argue I don't even care of one piece never ends. You know, One Piece is a story that, you know, it's about the journey. It's about the journey and the journey has already done enough for me like Berserk has where.

Do you think it's possible for One Piece to have a satisfying ending or would you kind of rather it just kind of like slowly just stop? I don't ever think you will have as satisfying as it can. Yeah, yeah. Because it's built itself up to be so grandiose that now the expectations for it to have like the most like all encompassing ending

is just gonna be so, difficult for any way to achieve. You can't, you can't. It'll be close near impossible to have an ending that everyone will be satisfied with. It was all a dream. Whatever. And then Luffy woke up. I think there's a difference between a satisfying ending

versus like one that just completely ties everything together, blows everything out the water, something like the Kodgir S ending. I think it's so easy to have an ending that takes away from a show. Yeah. As opposed to one that just kind of does nothing. I think I'd say like in anime,

it feels like 50% of endings are bad. Yeah. 40% don't really do anything. They don't really add or take away from my experience up to that point. And I think that's gonna be one piece. Yeah, I think, I hope One Piece will be in that camp. Obviously, I just, it's like a fucking Jenga tower of pieces that have all been stacked.

You can't, you can't figure out how to make this all come down cleanly. I mean, it doesn't have to because the one piece, one piece to me is like all about legacy, you know, especially, you know, with what Roger did to start, the new legacy of like the pirate age. And then, you know, you know, white beard had a moment like that as well,

which was just fucking, it was epic back in the day. Now it's just a fucking meme. But, you know, all, all Luffy has to do is just find out what one piece. Find out what one piece is. And then the cycle continues. There'll be that fucking music,

which is just like, do do do do do. Yeah. And then I'm going to be fucking born on my own. eyes out. He can whip his dick out of that moment. I don't care. I'm just going to be like... What do you think the One Piece is? It's got to be the inside of him. No, I definitely think it's not something physical. If it's something physical, I'll be upset. No, I think it can't be physical. There's no way. I think one, this is going into law now. I think One piece probably has something

to do with the Lost century. because you haven't gotten to the second half of the story of One Piece and the second half. So the first half is a lot about the journey. The second half is really tying together the world, law and history. Because there seems to be a lot of shit that's going on between what happened

in the history of the world of One Piece. And it seems to be building up to something to do with that. So, you know, that might be what One Piece is. It might be not existent at all, we don't know. The point is, It doesn't really matter what One Piece is. It could be either and I would be satisfied. Tackman Titan is so good.

Oh God. That's the thing. They're both good. All right, I'm gonna go for a toilet break and I'm gonna. My God. All right. All right, Gant has come back from his toilet break. He has made a decision.

It's one piece. Oh my. My man. Let's go. I just, what a cop-out answer. I just think, had to think about it, and I think One Piece is going to stick with me for slightly longer than Attack and Titan as,

but I fought a fight attack of Titan fans, I tried. We're in the top four, my childhood one. Yeah, we're in the top four now. Made an abyss and Gurin-Logne. Fuck. Oh, do I want, is this easy? It is more easy for me. Do I want adrenaline or depression?

Yeah. What a, what do I want here? What do I want? Because for me, right? I'm thinking about this in the long time. Okay, well, Connor's gonna pick her in a garden. Yeah. I'm pissed off that it should have been hunter hunter here.

I'm thinking about this in the long run, right? Both of these shows are gonna stick with me for a very, very long time. Both of these shows, in terms of the emotions that they conjure up are the peak. Yes. Of those emotions. Yes.

Oh. So I'm gonna keep this simple. I like being happy. I like being happy. I like being excited. Made an Abyss is, to me, stands alone in some of the ideas and some of just the fucking emotions,

the well of emotions that he has made me feel. I could say the same about Gurin Lagan. Nothing has made me the adrenaline pump harder than Gurinagan has. So I prefer adrenaline. All right. Go to Gurin Lagin. All right, then.

Gurin Lagin is. Yep. All right. Legan enters the finals. Who's gonna go up against- What would you vote for, Jerry? It's honestly 50-50. What I would vote for?

What I would vote for? Yeah. Even though Garon-Leghan's winning. I guess, yeah, I guess at the end of it all, I would probably have voted for Geryn-Legn as well, just because again, I like being happy. And it's just so fucking epic. That epic feeling of watching Geroon-Lagan,

I think, will stay with me for the rest of my life. Whereas as fucking incredible as made in Abyss is, and I'm so excited for where that story is going, that the sheer impact of Gremlin gone is just unbeatable. Yeah. All right, one piece of Vinland Saga. This is back to back tough decisions for you guys.

Shit. What are you saying? Vinland Saga for me. Vindland Saga for me. Okay, okay, okay. I think it's gotta be Vindlan Saga for me. Here's the question. Here's the question.

Do you think he's gonna find Vinland? I, I mean, What is the Vinland? It's like one piece. Vinland does exist, but it's not what he's looking for. He's not looking at him. Maybe that's the same with Luffy as well.

He's looking for a land with peace, which he is striving for. Yeah. I like Vineland Saga because, one, there is a Welsh person in it. None of those in, the one Welsh character in all of anime and manga.

Everyone says that we talk about the farm arc. People have different opinions on which of the arcs are the better of the two. Yeah. Even so. The prolog arc is so fucking good at what it does. And then for it to completely 180 in tone theme, but still be so compelling, if not more compelling,

and hit higher heights is just something that I think so many authors would be absolutely terrified to even attempt, let alone pull off. I don't think we've, ever seen, this isn't a common thing that happens. When it has happened, it's normally out of crashes and burns, right? It's out of desperation. Yeah. So the fact that we got two different styles of storytelling to advance one character and a set of characters is something so cool and really interesting. And at the core message of it, it was, how do you grow up as a human

being? What is it that matters to you? What is it that you're really living for? And how can you, How can you, you know, impact the people around you, as well as improving yourself and maybe realizing what it is that you really want in a world that maybe doesn't allow that. Yeah, but they did that with Robin in one piece. Yeah, but it wasn't nearly as good. I don't know, man.

When Luffy was like, say that you wanna live! And then Robin shouted that shit, I cried, bro. I didn't think that was as good. And then they shot the flag down, and I was just like, that's my boy right there. Let me, I'm not saying that it's not a great fucking moment. It's one of the best things I've ever read I just don't think it hits the same as Vinland Saga for me

in terms of the, the, it felt so grounded Finland Saga. I think that's what made it so special. Well, that's the thing, I think the villain saga definitely has the advantage of it being a lot more of a grounded story than One Piece. But man. One Piece has not made me change my outlook on life. I'll just say that much.

Right. The villain saga is. I wish for more violence now. You know what? I do have enemies. I became a Jyzen fan. Did not watch season two. I love violence.

Got busy. All right. I'm gonna one piece. Oh my God. Fuck's sake, Joe. I knew you gonna do it. I knew you gonna do it. Because I knew you were gonna

which one of you would say it first so you could put it on the other. I knew you were gonna like put it on me. Yep. It's on you man. That's so loud. I'm going Vinlan Saga. Okay.

I'm going Vinland Saga. Yes. Finally a double you. I can agree. on something. Holy shit, no way. Honestly, not upset. Explain yourself.

Not upset at all. Well, I'll explain it here. I think, like I said before, Vindslager is just a transcendent piece of media where the power of the story goes beyond just the power of it being a cool story or a cool anime. This is something that can change

the way you think about your own life and that's such a rarity of a story. Which is why, even though Gurin Lagan is fucking, fantastic. The lessons that I have, you know, that I've gotten from Vinland Saga, I'm going to stick with me for a longer time. So I'm going to go Vinland Saga for the final one.

Okay. How do you feel about this? That's so hard. Fuck. Yeah. I think I'm going to have to say Villan Saga as well. All right. If it was Hanta Honto, it might be.

a bit of a heartbook, but it's not there. And as much as I like Gowin Lagan, which I do like it a lot. Yeah. I do just think Vinland Saga is just, goaded it. It is transcendental, I think is the word. Yeah. So congratulations Vinland Saga

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Also follow some Twitter, send us some memes on the subredder and if I hate our face, listen to us on Spotify. Man, I'm tired after that. Me too. Yeah. That's a hard debate. That was emotionally draining. Probably Vinlan Saga won it. I didn't actually think it was gonna take you.

it was tough but like I think I didn't know what was gonna win but the more we started arguing the more I kind of realized what I've really value yeah I can I got a lot about myself actually about like what I what I what I value in a story if I have to pit two of my favorite shows against each other yeah but there's some of these were literally like pick between my children I was like this is hard it just speaks to the level of quality of inland saga even though it isn't finished yeah it was managed to tell you such a compelling story. Yeah, it's interesting because I feel if you asked me

on a different day, this might have ended up being very different. Yeah, I thought I was like one piece till I die and then I was like, nah, villain's like kind of, uh, kind of takes it. Yeah, it does. But we will see you guys next time. Bye.