Trash Taste Podcast - THE TRASHIEST SHOWER THOUGHTS | Trash Taste #123

Episode Date: October 28, 2022

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Do you know the word haughty? Horty. Horty? H-A-W-T-Y. Is this a new slang? No, this is an actual word haughty. Is this like shaw-dy, but without the S? No. So you've never heard the word haughty. Does anyone in the office know the word or H-A-W-T-Y?

Can you explain what haughty means? Yes. I learned this word. So, dietus. No, he's literally the opposite of Horty. It's like kind of pretentious sounding. It's like, oh. What is aloof mean? Yeah, I was gonna ask.

I was stuck up. Pretentious? I thought aloof was like not thinking about anything. This is the best thing about English. There's an exact way of describing the exact way of an asshole someone is. There's like any shade of asshole. The English language has a way of being able to describe

the perfect level of like snobbery or dickishness of someone. What's the two words on the two ends of the spectrum? I don't know, there's just every kind of words you want to describe. It's like, we've like 10, 20 different ways of describing that someone is a posh asshole. Right. It goes from, the spectrum for me is anywhere between, oh, he's a little rude to, oh, he's a fucking,

that's the Australian, that's the Australian spectrum. So, the reason why I found, the reason why I found this out is because I, I got an audition. Have we started by the line? Yeah, I guess we started. I guess we have. No, don't start with me saying the sequel.

We'll have cut that, cut that part. Mood, mood on, yeah. Just put that- Blurther that mood on. The reason why I bring this up, and to start the episode with this, because I didn't audition not so long ago. Mm-hmm. This is first time ever happened to me, actually.

Mm-hmm. Is that they had a reference. That you became pretentious? No, no, I've always been that, Jay. I'm glad you're haughty. So, so, I was, they sent me this agency, a production, whatever, sent me an audition sheet.

You know, I get this a lot, and it's, it's whatever. They, like, hey, can you audition for a thing? And this one, like, really good. So they were like, hey, we want you to read for this character. And I open it out. And I had this thing that happened that it's funny enough because when we met with Jay Michael Tatum in LA

and Brandon, yeah. Michael was telling us about a time where he had to read and the reference was himself. Yeah, they wanted to sound like him. Yeah, yeah. I thought that's so fucking cool. That's never gonna happen to me. And then it happened to me.

And I was the reference that they asked, did you get the part? So, hold on. So, but the thing was is that I didn't ever seen this word. And they were like, sound like Seedog, this clip. It was me. And I'm like, cool, cool, cool, cool. And I said it, sound like this but less haughty.

And I was like, what does that mean? So what's, so what is the definition of haughty? You know, I, I, okay, is it H-A-U-T-Y or is it H-A-W-T-Y? I thought it was like H-A-W-T-Y. Okay, here, so I thought it's H-A-U-G-H-T-Y. Oh, ho-oh. Yeah, fucking English, right? Okay, hautee.

Horty. I'll play the pronunciation for you. Houty. Horty. Houty. Ooh, I'm getting turned on from text to speech. More like Honey. Let's how breathy this is.

Hooty. Hooty. So it means arrogantly superior or disdainful, which honestly, honestly, that's pretty accurate. So you're gonna add that to your Twitter bio? Horty. Horty YouTuber. To be fair,

affable, Chris and haughty Connor. Shut the fuck, no. Are you, Mr. Horty? He's Mr. Horty. I'm waiting for the next wacky weekends, eh? I'm Alphal-Kiris next to Horty Connor right here. The exact same thing as you guys, where I opened up the clip

and I recognize what it's from. I want to say too much because I didn't sign an idea or anything, but I just don't have, you know, good practice. Yeah, it said this but less haughty, and I thought, what the fuck does Horty mean? So I Google it, and I'm like, am I, am I to be offended or?

No, I think they described you in the perfect words. Yeah. At least they, at least, at least, they kind of, you know, wrapped it up nicely in a bow, so basically they said, sound like Seedog VA, but take the corner out of it. Yeah, take all of the corner out of Seedog VA. So they might as well have just said,

just be a British guy, but with a nice voice. So I took that as, are you sort of be like really nice all the time? Like, what do you, like, you know, You don't get a voice like this. Just be less haughty. You don't get a voice like this and not sound like that. That's what happens. Like you don't.

Like, I'm sorry. So I, you got the whole personality behind it, right? Yeah, but at least, you gotta give them credit that they at least, you know, open up a thesaurus for this. They weren't, they weren't direct about it. They weren't like, oh yeah, it was sound like this, but less fucking pretentious and arrogant, you know? Like, at least they wouldn't mean about it.

That would be the most intricate way of insulting me. Start your own, like, project, cast a thing and then send out auditions to everyone you fucking hate and then just link them as the reference. It sounded like Joey, but less of a fucking asshole. That's it.

It's like, go ahead, Joey, read. Read for it, Joe. Like, do they really have to throw you onto the bus like that? No, it was good. It was good. They were really nice. I auditioned for the thing.

And I did, I guess what? You got the part? I got the part. I got the part. Wait, wait, wait, where they wanted me to sound like C-Dog VA. You must have been grinning your teeth but less haughty.

But less haughty. And, uh, Can you just like change your voice to that? Yeah, can you do it? Can you do it right now? No, no, no, just permanently. No. I'm gonna hear your voice in this thing

that you're audition for and I'll be like, we could have that. I'm like, where's that call? Where's that guy? I want that guy. Oh my God, this sounds like an amazing corner. I would say it's, it's the voice that I would do if I was an asshole, but 20% nicer.

20% nicer. So there's still that level of like snobberiness, snobbering? Yeah. Snobbish in there? Snobbing? I don't fucking know. That's not.

Hortiness. Less 40, I suppose. Yeah. So I did get the role. I read for the part. I've done all my recording for it. It's a lot of fun. So hopefully that I'll tell you guys when it is.

So you got to play yourself, but nicer. More. I guess so. I wonder when, because I got a few things that are coming out in the future. I wonder if people will be able to figure out which one it is, which one is sound the nicest. I mean, when I had to voice my own character in No Straight Roads, straight roads, I think I had the opposite.

They wouldn't use sound like, it was like play as yourself, but more haughty. Is that possible for you? Yeah. I'm literally called musical, just like, you can't get anywhere. That's your real life. That's not, that's not.

I mean, I mean, I really, I'm a music hipster. Joey, I would like to comment on your new lovely glasses that you seem to have procured out. Thank you. Are you going to say, are you going through your, like, art director phase? Like, what's, what's the glasses?

Yeah, what's with glasses, Joey? I don't know. I just, now that I'm a, an owner of a brand, I figured I should probably start looking the part. What's the next thing you're gonna turn up in a tunnel? No, no, see, that's for Mr. Steve Handel's right, yeah. I can't take that.

Are you gonna put CEO in your, like, profile bionex, you know? Yeah, I already am. I mean, I can't lie about that. I physically am. I can be a CEO. Not a good one, but I can be a CEO. I want to be a CEO just to have just funny LinkedIn conversations.

Oh yeah, yeah. Have you seen the shit they do on LinkedIn? You see that one more clip where the guy fired like a thousand people on Zoom? Yeah, yeah, I saw that one. Oh yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. Like he gave a shit. Yeah, and it was like a one-way Zoom call as well. Nobody could take part.

Like it wasn't even a Zoom call. It was a live stream. Might've done it on Twitch, you know what I mean? The man literally pulled up. That, you know that the meme video everyone uses in meme edits of the guy crying? Yeah. Yeah, yeah, yeah. That one, he's like the guy watched that

before he went in and he tried to emulate that. It was so bad. Wait, was this the one where he phoned up half of, like, so he opened up with a speech about how he has to let go off half the company. Yeah, that was fucking hell. Was that a different live stream or was the same one? I think that's a different one.

Yeah. Fucking out, there's certainly been, there's been way too many Zoom firings for me to keep up with nowadays, holy shit. I think, the one I'm thinking of was, there was a clip. Yeah, this is the one.

It's the CEO from BetterHelp. Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah, yes, yes, 500 employees on a Zoom call. Yeah, and he said he's taking time off because apparently it got to him. Oh, oh, it's got to him. This is after the whole controversy happened, right? With like the company or whatever.

No, no, no, no. Oh, this is before that? No, this is way after. Better was doing pretty good now, I think. Oh, really? He should consider signing up to Better Health That's what the meme was. So I wonder if he gave free subscriptions to his...

To himself. He's not, actually, imagine finding 900 people, and be like, guys, I need time for myself. Yeah. It's like, what? Because like, I always thought, you know, I think everyone can relate, but like when you hear the title CEO, you're just like, ooh, that sounds really fancy.

But then when you actually become a CEO, you're just like, I don't like that title. I mean, that's what every CEO says you're, right? You're fitting into your role perfectly. That's exactly. Guys, guys, I'm not like other CEO. No, but that's exactly what happened. When I became a CEO, I was like,

I kind of hate this word now. I don't like it. Guys, I don't wanna be a CEO. I don't wanna be a CEO. I'm someone of you guys, okay? I'm one of you guys. I don't have me in my profile. It just sounds gross all of a sudden.

Meanwhile, puts on the glasses. Yeah. By the way, I was CEO. Yeah. By the way, CEO right here. Could you tell? I got my business cards right here, got my business credit card. It's all so it, don't worry.

No, but yeah, you're looking, you're looking very good. Thank you. Try it. Are these like, I wear fake glasses sometimes. Are these fake glasses though? Fake glasses. I've worn them sometimes.

Yeah. I can't believe this. My eyesight is- You're like Thai Harry Potter. So this is a fashion statement, Joe. Of course it's fucking is. My eyesight's 2020. Excuse me.

It's literally a fashion statement. My eyesight is not your fashion, Joey. I'm preparing myself for when my eyesight turns to shit. I wasn't born with short sight in this just so you can wear it. I don't wear it. I have some fake lashes at home that I've worn many times. Yeah.

That's good on you. Bad eyesight isn't just something that you can take on and off, Joey. You have to live with it, okay? I can't believe you do me like this, Joey. Yeah, I look good. You can't see any races. Yeah, you look good.

You can't see that I'm not, I'm wearing matches. No, I've just, I've just gotten used to wearing like a lifestyle of contact list. See, I'm preparing myself because I know for a fact when my eyesight turns to shit at old age, I will be too much of a pussy to try and put context. Yeah.

Because I can't, my eyes are too sensitive. I can't do it. Do you know one weird life hack I found, I found out like, be rich. No, no, aside from be rich, right? Lazy- So I saw the scene in an anime where one character has like short-sightedness. And like, if you make like, they fixed it

with the pinhole thing, right? And I'm like, what fucking bullshit is this? And I actually memed it and won my videos. And then the comments are just like, no, it actually works. It actually works. Trust me, trust me. And I'm like, okay. What is it?

So what you do, right, is you just make a pinhole with, you make a pinhole, basically a pinhole with like your hand or something and you look through it. And then you're meant to be able to focus even if you have like short-sightedness. I was like, this is absolute bullshit. And then I tried it. And then it worked.

I was like, what? How? I think you brought that up when it was bullshit. No, I want, I thought it was bullshit. So what you're suggesting is that people have bad eyes I should wear glasses where the glasses like this big. They should wear there. Just like tiny ones like this

I can see now. Yeah, yeah. I mean, the H3O-3, what's that band called? 303. 303. They should wear those glasses. The slit ones. Oh, the slit ones.

I don't know if it's that. Yeah. Yeah, I don't know what the science. Like the cyclops glass. Yeah. I don't know what the fucking science is. It's like insane. But I'm like, why, like, something about my eyes is broken.

If all I need to do is do this. And granted, I can only read like, Because how I tested it out was like, normally I cannot read subtitles that, oh, if I'm watching on TV. That's absolutely impossible for me. But like, do this. Look at it through a pinhole and suddenly I can see like one word at a time. I can only see one word out of time, but for some reason, it works. I have no idea.

I have no idea why. It's basically the thing, you know, in school when you were learning how to read and you use the rule out of like one line at a time. It's just that. But now it's like one word at a time. It's just one word at a time. Yeah, I have no idea. I don't know why this life hack works, found out about it, somehow is not bullshit.

Science, explain, science please. It's the fact of Stone wean. Wait, yeah, which anime did you see it in? It was like an Esakai pharmacy anime. Of course, of course it was. It was the Esakai pharmacy anime. Was it mentioned in Dr. Stone as well? Oh, was it mentioned in Dr. Stone as well?

Okay, yeah, I don't know why that works. Like, body stupid or something like that. Brain dumb. Yeah. Wait, so how bad is your eyesight? My eyesight's pretty bad. pretty bad, not like awful, awful bad. But when did it start getting bad?

So. I don't know if I've told this story. I don't know if I've told the story. Maybe I have, but I've started getting bad when I was like a teenager, not a teenager, like a kid. Oh shit. Like a kid. So like right when I was like...

Primary school? Yeah, primary school. Oh. And gonna call out my mom for a second here. Because... Oh, she's gonna see this too. Yeah, she's gonna see this, but she can confirm that this happened.

because back in the day, I was like sitting really close to the TV. And my mom was just like, don't sit close to the TV. Your eyesight's gonna get worse. And so I was like, I was like, but mom, I can't really see the TV right now. She's just like, it's because you're playing too many video games. Yeah, just try harder, just look harder, okay? But just keep your eyesight, just keep your eyesight in check, okay?

And then I do this for like, just tone, boy. Yeah, basically. It was like the most Asian, like, it was like the most Asian advice you can ever think of. It was just like, just look harder. Just try harder.

Your mom literally just get good. She was like, son, just get good. Just get good eyesight. And it was only like until like, I was like, it was like three years down the line when we just had this fucking realization of, oh, maybe I'm just short-sighted. So wait, was it, because I've always been interested.

So was it like, when your eyesight goes bad when you're a child, right? Yeah. Is it like a gradual thing over like many years to the point where suddenly it's like the change is so slow that you don't notice the change happening until it's too late?

Or is it literally like you wake up one more and you're like, I can't fucking see? Honestly, my eyesight was bad to the point where, look, it's always been bad to the point where I don't remember ever having good eyesight. I don't think I've ever had perfect eyesight. I've just like my, some of my earliest memories are having something on TV

and just me going, I need to sit this, I need to sit like this close to the TV in order to see the TV. Like I've never sat on the couch and be like, okay, I can see the TV. I've always had to sat like near the TV. Obviously that was, you know, what made my eyesight bad in the first place, according to Asian parents, but no, like I've always had bad eyesight

and it was only when I was like seven-ish that I got my first glasses. And I remember the first time putting on glasses and I was like, holy shit, this is a lot A whole new world. What is this? People see like this normally? Yeah.

What? Well, I think I saw, it was a long time ago, there was this like artist, this digital artist that like drew watercolor paintings of what it would, what the world looks like to people who have bad eyesight. And like, looking at that painting as someone with normal eyesight, I was just like, this is giving me a headache. Yeah.

I'm like, damn, y'all live like this. Like, holy shit. So that's, I think it's after that that I saw that that, That made me go like, okay, I need to like really take care of my eyes out. So like now whenever I'm like sitting in front of a computer or a TV or whatever, or even if I'm like staring at my phone for a long time, I always wear my blue light glasses. Because I've always had really, really sensitive eyes.

I don't know why. Because like can you guys open your eyes in a pool? Yes. I can't do it. Because like the moment I open my eyes, I can physically feel my eyes burning. Oh yeah. No, I can. Yeah.

Everyone does. Yeah. But like mine burns extra. I gotta swim. Mine burns extra hard. But also like I- Just get better eyes like. I also get stronger eyes.

I just bought goggles. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. But like, you know, because when you see, especially in Australia, right, because it's like, you know, summers get really hot and in Australia, you always have that one friend who has a pool in their house, right? So you go, you go swim in their pool. And then, you know, there's that moment usually in like early, like middle school, late elementary school, where you start to be like, I don't need goggles,

I'm not a child anymore. I'll just jump in like the adults do and just open my eyes underwater. So there was that, you know, that happened. And I was just like, yeah, yeah, I'm also an adult now, I will try it as well. So I jump in, I'm just like, but instinctively, you're like, I don't wanna open my eyes.

It's gonna hurt. I'm like, fuck it, I'm an adult. Did it once in there, my, wait, wait. Wait, wait, did you jump with your eyes open? No, no, no, no, I jump in with my eyes closed. Slam the cold and directly in your eyes. I think that's just gonna hurt anyway. Just body slam your eyes.

No, I didn't even do that. I remember, I didn't even jump in the pool. I was on the edge of the pool and I just stuck my face in the water. I'm like, all right, I'm gonna open my eyes. And I did it for like one second. And I was like, it feels like someone's stabbing my eye. Yeah, I think that's normal though.

And I pulled my eyes out and all the whites in my eyes were just bloodshot red. And my parents are like, oh, that's not normal. That's like, that's more red than usual. I think that's normal. That's normal. Yeah, that's normal. Why would you want to do that?

Normally it's like you're doing it for like 10 minutes tops. Like you're not doing it for long. 10 minutes? I can barely do it for two seconds. I've done like whole swimming sessions like an hour doing it and it fucking hurts afterwards but it's like, well, I gotta see where I'm going. Just buy some goggles.

I just forgot on that one session. Yo, sailors like, sailors in the fucking sea or something like, Oh no, I'm drowning, but I can't open, I can't see anything. I can't see. I don't have my goggles. A lot of pathogens and shit. That's true, that's true. I mean, I'm not, I mean, if I need,

I don't like it, but if I need to see underwater, if I need to open my eyes. I don't bring, I've never brought goggles to the beach. Yeah, no, I don't in the beach either, but I'm also not opening my eyes underwater when I'm at the beach. Oh, I try not to.

Because most of the time, my head is above water anyway. Yeah. Water in your eyes. Yeah. No, I get like a little, you know, splash in your eyes or whatever. So, so is, so is your, it is a weird deep blind.

And you're like, I have chlorine sensitivity in my eyes. I do have, but I also have, but I realize that it's not just the chlorine for me. It's that like, now, now, like, if I stare at a TV for more than five minutes without my blue eye glasses, I get a headache. This episode is sponsored by Harries. Guys, we've been on the road, on tour,

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That's harris.com slash tastest. Link in the drips from down below. Back to the episode. Do you need to use dark mode for everything? Yes. I use dark mode because I'm not an asshole. I just think light mode looks like shit. Yeah, it's like,

I don't want to be that guy while I'm lying in bed and my partner is next to me. And he's just like, oh, it's like, ah! I don't know, there's literally no, the only way the light mode is good is like, because the windows UI looks like shit on dark mode. Let me see, let me say,

you dark mode motherfuckers play shit up too much, okay? Hi, I'm, I'm a light mode user, yes, I'm out of my shelf right now, okay? That's probably why your eyes said shit. Yeah, yeah, that's why. Because you're blinding yourself every night. I've been blinded my entire life. What's it gonna do?

Make me, make me, You're literally like, make me more blind. Every time you've opened up Twitter, it's just like a cod flashbang. It's like, oh, go, block this, go, come on, it's white. Don't let the views look at this. It is, it is.

The only people who use light mode are people who just can't, can't get over the five second difference of a change of the dark mode and be like, it's different. People are like, I don't like it, it's different. Turn your back! Like the moment you use it for one day,

you'll be like, I'm a fucking idiot. Yeah, I never went back. No, I have used dark mode in like some apps and I'm like, I like, 10 seconds. Huh? Discord. My Discord is still dark mode and I'm like,

I don't, I don't. Discord and light mode is unforgivable. I don't even, I don't even know what Discord light mode looks like. Okay, Discord Light mode just looks ugly. That just looks ugly. I didn't see. It's horrific.

But like everything else I've switched to dark mode. I'm like, I like the brightness, you know? You do not use. I like the brightness. You do not use Twitter in. I looked up Discord light mode. The first thing came up was Discord like white mode meme. Do you want to check my Twitter content?

Do you want it? Oh my god. I'm so ugly, dude. Who uses Discord like this? Yeah, okay, Discord's ugly. Twitter, Twitter, I like it in like mode, okay. I can remember if there was a few studies or something a while back that was like, it was measuring the impact on which one's about a few darker light modes.

I can remember if there was a conclusion. I remember that there was something along the lines of what light mode is could be better because it's more reminiscent of, say, books or paper. Yeah, because I was going to say, like, Joe, Like you like I'm in bed, okay? I wanna read manga. Yeah. What am I gonna do? Switch the manga to dark mode?

Manga doesn't have a dark mode, you know? I don't read manga in my fucking phone. Oh, that's one of the big reasons I can't. Okay, okay, okay, Joe. And I would argue that a lot of manga is more dark than light. A lot of the drawing is black. It's literally on white page, what are you talking about? They fill up most of the shit.

They fill up most of the shit. I'm gonna have to stop you right there. Stop your eye. I love on your side, I think you said that. Read the manga. It's on white paper, but there's more ink on the paper than white. What are you talking about as a white? It's arguably more dark than it is like.

Okay, maybe for something like berserk. There we go. Tell me berserk is like, Berserk is a dark fantasy, of course. It's gonna have so many fucking, like. But if I'm reading like Palm Team Epic, then that's like mostly white. Just saying it's a lot dark.

A lot of dark in them, you know. A lot of them have a lot of words. Well, then I would argue every novel is also the same. I'm pretty sure, I'm pretty sure even the most hardcore light mode person is watching this bite now, being like, no, Connor, come. I'm trying my best. Stop, Connor, stop.

I think there's saying the manga argument is very negligible in terms of, is that light mode or not. Because there's gonna be some, we're not saying dark, we're not fucking nocturnal. Yeah, who the fuck? It's not all dark. Who the fuck. There's light source is on there.

The only way you'd be able to read manga in dark mode, it's just like invert the image. Like what we're trying to say is that generally, like the background and a lot of that stuff is dark, which is nice and it's better, because the phone is backlit, you know? Well, the thing is because like, the reason I genuinely like light mode is because...

You've never tried dark mode. I have tried dark mode. No, I've, I, I, okay, the best, actually the best mode is the one way it switches for you automatically, depending on the time of day. Because the thing is, I wake up. Yeah, the screen dimmer. No, not the screen dimmer.

There's a literal, there's a literal mode that will switch on some apps, they will switch from light mode to dark mode. Like an in-car GPS. Yeah, yeah, yeah, kind of. That's like the best mode, but like, I like when I wake up and I just have like the brightness of the screens, okay?

One thing, I genuinely, genuinely. Welcome to your future, robot slaves. Look, genuinely, because I'm someone who needs a lot of sunshine, you know, I like my sunshine, I like my brightness. The way my body- All right, we get it, go, do you touch grass. Yes, yes, yes, okay.

No, this is, this is, I'm not even touching growth. Phone screen comparison, phone light is not even remotely comparable to sunlight. Yeah, no, I get it. Computer screen? Bro. It fucking makes a difference, okay? No, I, I guess, yeah.

I get it, I also enjoy sunlight, but you know what I do when I want to enjoy sunlight? I fucking go outside and look at sunlight. I open my curtains. Okay, obviously you guys have, obviously you've never lived in England when sometimes it's just like a fucking cloudy day and it's just the most. It's still bright. I will take- Would you not live in like the northern hemisphere of like Finland in the middle of fucking nowhere

during dark winter? We have light. I will take any brightness source I can get. The brighter the room is, the happier I am, the more awake I am. Again, that's probably why you're blind. Because you're just flash banging your eyes every day. A phone's lightness is not even remotely comparable

to a light and say like a room, like a ceiling light or anything. It's not even remotely something. Do you also take every selfie with a flash on as well? Sorry. Do you also take every selfie with the flash on? No, no. I just imagine.

You might have nothing to do. I've got nothing to do with it. I just imagine his office to just be a bunch of fucking phone screens, just lighting up the room. Like what? These lights are totally different type of, like I do not want the artificial light. It's like, I want white walls in my room. Sunlight feels so much nicer than like this light.

Sunlight does feel so much nicer, but sometimes you're in a room where you can't get enough sunlight. Sometimes you're in a place where, you know, there isn't enough natural light and there's just the lighting on the ceiling or the lamps. The last light I think about getting to fix that problem is my phone. It's a phone light, yeah. I will say having, having like,

having a bright mode on your PC is much better to me. Like, it feels- For the argument's sake, I do use Windows light mode. Yeah. Because the dark mode, I don't know what they did to it. It looks fucking horrendous. Really? Yeah. Do you know, do you use it?

I didn't even know there was a dark mode for Windows. It just doesn't look good. I'm not sure why. Oh, it's all, it's, try it, we'll do it later. Okay. I mean, what looks bad about light mode? What, well, actually, I don't get why you, why everyone says it looks bad, okay.

It's like. It's just really... It's like having, like, bread from a store, and then you know, and like you don't know that bakery exists out there. I don't know what you're still just bread. Right? Right? Right? Right? Right. You're really clutching your straws right now, right? It does.

White, light mode does everything. It's, it's a very viable option. But it's just because you don't know about the joyous ability. You can just say it hurts my eyes. No, no, it doesn't. No, because it hurts my eyes. I just think dark mode looks way better. You just have weak eyes, Joey. I don't know. That's exactly what I'm saying.

Dark mode just looked like you. I just told you. I'm okay. Looks better. That's what we have after dark. Because it's the better version of trashdust. Because it's the dark version of trashdust. This disgusting.

This is light mode dark taste. If you, a lot of the apps just like, I Twitter to me is, is, I can't unsee it as a dark mode app. It just, it, when I see it on light mode, I'm like, this is fucking, like, when you watch those documentaries and that, you know, they play all like the millions of tweets to pop up, I have the white background, I'm like,

this is fucking shit. Bro, we sold more after dark merch than we do regular Tri-Stase modes. Coincers. That's it, people like- I think not. People like the vibe, but there is- There is people who-

God, this is not light. I know it's not reflecting-up- Well, you're wearing the light mode one man. I just so. You got white there, Connor, what are you doing? Doesn't that hurt your eyes? Yeah, no, go. It doesn't you know,

like the pale mode. Yeah, I don't pale mode. The point is that apps are better in dark mode. Yeah. You're on, I rest my case. No. I think there is a sect of us. We have been oppressed by the dark mode users.

Okay, I'm treating out right now. At least tell me, okay. Light of dark mode. Okay, at least turn. How do you know that? How do you know? Cause we're all fucking webs. No, no, pause, pause.

They first stay in. No, no, no. They first stay in their fucking man caves, right? Yeah, yeah, listen, listen. At least tell me, all right, if you're, you know, you're in bed, right? Just before you go to bed. I'm not the one fighting. You're gonna be, you're gonna be, you're gonna be, you know,

you're gonna be, you know, on your phone, just like, going through Twitter and stuff like that before you go to bed, right? You do that? Yes. Okay, how bright do you have your phone? How bright do I have my phone? Like when it comes to the brightness meter on your phone, right? Right. Is it all the way to the top or is it all the way to the bottom or somewhere in between? Well, I try not to go on my phone if the room is dark.

Yeah, if you're in a pitch black room and you want to go on Twitter before you go to bed, how bright is your phone? Usually don't because like, to me, like, that's one way to just to not get asleep, right? Right. I try, I try. It's also one way to have eyesight. Well, okay. I'm a bed phone enjoyer. I am as well. I put my phone next to my bed.

I put my phone next to my bed. I put my thing, I put my Twitter on dark mode and I put my brand habits. Bad habits. Am I guilty of checking my phone? Yeah, sometimes I have. Yeah, of course. Your Honor, okay, I'm guilty.

Yeah, of course. But I sleep like an ox. I sleep great. I've great sleep. Yeah, but I'm saying it's a good habit just because like it gets your mind in the process of getting to sleep. Healthy habits, healthy habits.

Of course, not everyone don't know. From a guy who uses light, man. I am going to preach this, okay? I'm preaching this right now, Joey. Listen, if I have any healthy habits, I'd stop drinking, God. I don't care about that, all right? If I had healthy habits, it's not using light,

right? I clearly don't care about that. So you'd rather, you'd rather use. But also, I think that's bullshit, though. What you're saying is the healthiest way is to not look at your phone. What we're arguing is, well, I'm not really, he's arguing, I'm just, I'm just helping him out here.

You should look at the dark mode. If you're gonna look. I'm arguing that the best mode, is the mode that switches automatically for you. But if I had a choice between dark mode and light mode, I choose light mode because I don't want to switch manually to light mode every time when I wake up in the morning and see all the brightness.

What is it that you don't like about dark mode? What is it that I don't like dark mode? It's not that I don't like dark mode, is that I prefer light mode. Or why do you prefer light mode? I just said, because I said, because I like the brightness in my life, Joey. I like the light, okay? I go towards the light, I'm a fucking moth, okay?

moth, okay? I like the brightness. Why is that a bad thing? I like the brightness. Do you watch YouTube in dark or light mode? Light mode? Fuck all. I do. Everything, everything. I think everything aside from Discord because I see, I think Discord is actually war crime. Yeah. I think we can all agree on YouTube light mode. Uh, everything. It looks so bad in light mode. What is wrong with the light? There's, what is wrong with YouTube light mode? Literally, the fucking logo has white in it. The logo has white in it. You know what I hate about... Yeah, but it's like three pixels?

It doesn't matter, okay? You know what I hate about YouTube? Is that you open it, right? So you open YouTube. Yeah. And it does, okay, it didn't win this one. Sometimes right, it'll just open white and then turn to dark.

Oh yeah, yeah, yeah. I want to see a single frame of light. I think they fixed that recently though. But a lot of people, you know, it's something you gotta consider it as well. If you're making thumbnails, yeah, gotta make it for dark and light mode. Can I make sure let's get on both.

I've never thought about that. I don't, I don't consider white mode. So do you, so, yeah, When you make your thumbnails, do you actually consider that? No white background, no nothing? I try not to make it. Yeah, I look at both because I had it in dark mode, so I got to be, because people leave on the default, right?

Oh, I just assume no one watches YouTube in line mode. No, it's default, unfortunately. Yeah, I know. Which means that our cause will never be the best. Yeah. I just don't. Because people are lazy and they just don't change the defaults because they get used to something,

and then they're too scared to change it. Like this guy. If you changed it, I guarantee he wouldn't turn away. I have changed it. I'm saying this is not. Do not love me with the same people who are still using Internet Explorer because they don't have to change

to fucking Google Chrome, okay? What if we did like a little science experiment? What if you change the dark mode for a week? I'll change the light mode for a week and at the end of the end of the end of the end. We'll see if we've already lost Joey. No, the guy like improves. See if we convert.

See if we can convert. I'm not going to convert. I've, I literally, is... Ignorance. He's not responding. Ignorance. He's not, he doesn't want to end up. You're not participating in the experiment.

Wait, wait, okay. Do you think there is a chance you're gonna convert to light mode? No. What's the point of this? There's no point of this experiment. Because I'm trying to help you to act like it's, you're not the only one going to.

He's taking the ball for the team. I started in light mode. And then I, honestly, I saw the light and I didn't like it. So I went to the dark. And that's what I'm in now. So I've had the light mode because is where I started. Yeah, I mean, I had the light mode as well. And then I learned about dark mode afterwards.

And so I was like, oh, I'll try this new dark mode. out and I'll say, oh, I much prefer it because it doesn't blind me every morning. Look, I'm just saying like fucking light mode is the pizza crust of the app world, okay? Like, it feels exactly the same where if you choose to use fucking light mode, people act like you've just committed a fucking war crime or something, you know, a war crime against their eyes or something, okay? That's what it feels like, okay?

What do you think is winning right now in the polls? Dark mode? I know it's dark mode winning. Why do you think it's dark mode? Because you dark mode guides are so fucking vocal about it. You dark mode users are right. It's because I'm sick of being on the fucking train, looking across on the person next to me

and they have fucking light mode beaming in my eyes. You uncivilized, fuck, use dark mode. Look, look, look, it doesn't matter what the polls says. All right? I want to guess 90-10. What do you think? Probably 90-10, yeah. Do you think it's that much? Maybe.

That's what I feel like, okay? I feel like, okay? You put a gun to my head, I'd have been like, that's what I feel like. Really? Really? What is it now? Well, let me, hmm.

How long has the fallout? Wait, wait, how many? 3,000 votes. Yeah. And 95% dark months. You know what? Holy shit. I am fighting for you 5%.

You know, if, uh, how many old accounts do you have? Okay, wait, wait, wait, wait. We have a live trash taste prediction. All right. So someone said, okay, which one of the boys always uses light mode, confess your sin. Someone replied, it's gone.

Connor is going to defend dark mode like his life depends on. And, and Joey is gonna say, I can see both sides, but prefers dark men. I feel so cold down. Anyone who says light mode is a sociopath. Look, if there are 500 light mode users in the world, I am one of them. If there are 100 light mode users in the world,

I am one of them. If there are 10 light mode uses in the world, I am one of them. I will defend light mode till my dying breath, okay? I don't care how many of you guys are there. If there's one more of me of you, if there's one more of me, I've found a brother, okay?

You didn't mean like an AA meeting, but for light mode uses. So like, why didn't we convert? And you just hear so anytime the light flickers or anything. We're gonna start a movement. It's a revolution, okay? We're taking back the light mode.

The resistance. The resistance. You know, I just start. It's one of the things when I realized that dark node is a thing and I tried it out, I was like, oh, this is much better. It's like having a wrong fitting t-shirt

for the longest time and then you realize, oh, it can feel like this. That's what it felt like to change. Right, right. Like a pair of boxes that didn't quite fit as nicely, but you didn't realize that, so you're only pair for a really long time. Was the app that convinced you?

Was it Discord? Because I swear, for me it was Twitter. Twitter? I started off with Twitter because I think a lot of apps don't even tell you that dark mode exists. Yeah, I didn't know it existed. Me neither.

And then I think I went on Twitter one day and they showed the dark mode option. They had dark, like true dark, and then like the dim, Dark, like that kind of navy dark. I use that one. Love that one, looks amazing. And then I thought, hi, what if there's dark mode for other apps?

I remember one time I shared my screen on Discord and it was light mode. I didn't even realize dark mode existed. And then all my live stream people were like, what the fuck? What the fuck? You don't know, yeah, because like, yeah, I was exactly the same.

So it was like, like, oh, let me try this out. And I was like, oh, let me try this out. And I was like, oh, people screenshot tweets, right? Yeah, yeah, yeah. And it always looks better. Exactly. And I was like, oh, is that like a plug-in? or something, what is that?

Have you realized well most screenshots you see on Twitter or dark mode? Yeah, of like tweet memes? Don't know, think about it. Yeah. Think about it. Think about it. Think about the scene.

Does this a lot of society. It doesn't matter how many, it does, like I said, we would have how many people use dark modes. Yeah, I think, I honestly think that like, that like, if everyone used dark mode. Fuck, you think people what they want. That is, that is why, take away.

That is why this is the most depressed society we've had in all of history, okay? This is why this is the depression. We have the Great Depression. We haven't had that yet. Okay, this is why mental health is such a big deal now. It's cause too many people are using dark modes. These guys, do you get some brightness in your life?

I go to my better help session and I, after I lost my job and I used my three month coupon, is remittance. No, it's because people are using light mode to substitute for sunlight. Social media, that's why. I'm like to grow like a plant in his home, dude. It's just synthesize why he's gonna work.

He's got like a plane, he's just got his phone So this is like, come on, grow! He's like, I can feel the cells getting energy in my body. Photosynthesis, please! Don't be like a cannabis plant, bro, trying to grow from artificial life in his house. Oh my God. How the fuck are we on this topic?

I don't know. Welcome to trash taste. How did it start? I can't remember. I don't know. Because we're talking about haughtiness. Oh, yeah, it's just talking about eyesight. Ice-sye.

Yeah. One of the most interesting videos I've ever seen, actually, is you're talking about, like, artists. The artists who drew, like, as the world would look if you didn't have glasses. Yeah, yeah, yeah. I remember seeing a video once of like a blind artist and he was born like without eyes.

And I was like one of the most interesting videos I've ever seen because this guy's an artist, but obviously he's never seen anything in his life. And he describes like what colors, the concept of colors of what he thinks, right? And he's like, oh, I think I've seen this. Yeah, and it's like, I don't get it. Like people have tried to describe colors

to me. People have tried to describe colors to me. And it's such an interesting concept of how do you describe colors to someone who's never seen colors. Can you describe orange to me right now? Can describe orange the color. Well, see, because when most- Like imagine heaven in a color. It's the best fruit.

It's the best fruit. All right. I think the general consensus, because yeah, I remember seeing that video a while back, the general consensus is like when you talk about things like the color red, for example, right? You think of like hot, or like blue is like a cool color. Yeah.

But when you think about it, it's like, that doesn't mean anything. Yeah, he's like, so people describe res as hot. It's like, what the fuck does that mean? Yeah. What does that mean? Why is hot a color? How the fuck does that make sense? Like, because like blue can be hot as well if you're talking about a blue flame.

Yeah, yeah, exactly. So it's like, it doesn't, when you think about it, it's like, okay, how do you describe, say like this particular shade of purple to someone? It's trash taste. Just trash taste, isn't it? It's like, oh, of course. Of course. I've seen trash taste, but wait a minute. I've heard trash taste before.

So is this art good or what? Huh? Was it good? Yeah. Yeah, it's like, it's really good. I think it's, I don't know. How does he know what he's drawing? I think he's just, am I learned?

Am I ignorant? I think it comes with that whole concept of like, you know, if you're born blind or you're born death, yeah. That is, that is normal to that person as it is for the rest of, of everyone else who was born with sight or born with hearing, right? It's only, I think I remember like a comedian talking about this,

it's only when normal people make it weird that it becomes weird for them, right? Because like if someone is born deaf, then it's like, well, to them, not hearing anything is normal. But it's not until someone's like, oh, you're deaf, oh, you can't hear music. And it's like, don't make it fucking weird for them. They're living fine.

I mean, it's like if I didn't know, like, dark mode existed, it wouldn't bother me. I wouldn't know it, I didn't know it existed, right? It's only when someone pointed out that you just like, what- Music existed, I'd be like, whatever, dude. Yeah, exactly.

Fucking music. Exactly. But yeah, like, what's, what was, what I found so interesting is he can still like, he still can imagine, let's say, like, what a landscape looks like, you know, and what other- Yeah, you'd have your own interpretation

of what the description could be or what you think it is, right? Yeah, yeah, yeah. You could still visualize that. Yeah. Like, I think one of, honestly, one of the coolest, I'm gonna call it ability, even though it's like kind of a condition,

It sounds like a fucking ability. I think it's called like synesthesia or something where you, one sense is tied to another sense. Yeah, right? Which is one of the coolest things I've ever heard. Like I think we met Baron J. John, who actually had synesthesia. And like he was telling his story about how,

you know, you say a word or you hear a sound and he sees like a certain color with that sound. And I'm like, this is like, this is the closest we've gone to like X-Men in real life. Wait, wait, wait, wait, hold up. So like, um, so we let's say you said, let's say, okay, because let's say you said coffee to me.

Yeah. Obviously I'm gonna picture brown. That's because you're associating with the object that exists. Yeah, yeah. If you're talking about, say, like a very arbitrary concept that doesn't exist in the physical realm and doesn't have a form, for example. Like what?

God. I have an image. Like what color do you imagine, though? Uh, you know, white, right? But that's because you're probably thinking about... Not because of me. I was scared of it.

Just want to, I'm trying to trust to me there, like, you know, just, I'm talking about like, you know, because you're the, Okay, he's another one. God's a light mode user. That's what, right?

Do you, when you, when you say God, do you think light mode? Yeah, I guess so. Yeah, yeah. Look, I'm a save you. Okay, okay, here's another example. Here's another example. When I say the number three,

what color do you think of? Gray. Why gray? But I just thought of that color. But what about number four? Probably green. Why green though? I don't know, it's green.

When you say color and four, I think green. Like, because of 420? I don't think. I don't think if, yeah, here's the thing. I imagine that it's like consistent, right? If you always ask them four, it would always be the same color, right? If you ask me four and then a color,

I would probably say different color every time. Ask me this in like a fucking year and we'll say it. Okay, so I looked up on Google, for example, right? Synesthesia is when you, for example, you hear music, but you see shape. Yeah. Or you hear a word or a name and instantly see a color. For example, you might hear the name Alex and see green.

Yeah, so. Do you have that or are you just like, No. I think what you were doing was just like hearing a number and then be like picking random color green. Yeah. I'd say the music one was a little, sounds a little familiar. Definitely seeing shape, like visualizing shapes to music.

Really? That sounds familiar, but not the other ones. Right, right. Well then maybe you might, I feel like, Every music has like a, if you imagined, do you know, like if you've, cause it's like, you know, if you said like rock in your head, maybe you could visualize what it would look like

if you were to. Oh, like rock music? Yeah. Well, it depends for me. I think, I think like, yeah, no, definitely like, if you hear enough music and you get into it, then yeah, you can definitely start to like envision. Like I've had moments where I've listened

to a new piece of music and I can envision what the music video by it looks like, right? But I don't actually see it, right? But I don't physically see it. Yeah. You physically see it? Yeah. you physically see it.

Well, that's the condition. That's the anesthesia. That's the little condition. So it's like when you hear the word Alex, your vision. Your vision becomes the color. And it's not only tied to vision as well. I've heard of some people where you,

it's tied to like taste or something. Wait, why would this be a superpower? This sounds like a detriment. I want fucking shapes in front of my eyes all the time. What the fuck I want shapes? You just fuck with someone as well. If you just see me like, Alex, Alex, Alex. Oh, I agree.

Are you, are you, Are you sure this is what it is? I just look it up. I don't want to look it up this. It is a real condition. It's one of the strangest conditions I think of. Yeah, it is. I think it's like super cool.

Because it's like, because you see like, you see it clearly I'm pretty sure, right? Yeah. Well, obviously I don't have sense. Well, I don't know. I've only read and heard about it. Because when you said the music thing, I feel that.

It's like I didn't, I picture it. Yeah, yeah, yeah. But no, no, you physically see it. Yeah. Yeah. With like what font, what graphics? Like what, I don't know the condition.

Like, how would this look? This sounds, what? You should probably ask someone with synesthesia. Any, any viewers watching with synesthesia, please. Explain in the comments. Feel free to inform us, enlighten us. This is my ignorance of where I'm like, this sounds too fake.

This, I think this is cool. But like, I know that's just because I can't, because none of you have it and none of you can sit here and explain it. I felt that way about white mode as well. Because like, you're explaining it to me and none of you have it. So I'm like, this doesn't make any fucking sense to me.

Well, yeah, of course. Because I'm like, I can only, like, imagine what it's like, But, you know, I definitely can imagine things. Like my mind can wonder when I listen to a piece of music, for example. I think anyone can do that. But like physically seeing something is very different.

Like you gotta be on some like hallucinogenics. Exactly. If you're a normal person, that doesn't have synesthesia. But for someone like synest, it's like being on hallucinogenics all the time. Okay, so here's WebMD, only the best sources. Yeah, of course. One of the most common response to seeing letters, numbers, and also colors, you might also see or hear a word,

and taste food. See, here, so like, say for example, how would you audibly hear? What? But like not,

not, but I don't think it's the word that is associated with the taste. So it's not the same as like hearing the word bacon and then tasting bacon. It's more like a completely different thing. Yeah,

it's a good. Let's say someone said bacon and then I'm like, I would hear like, free real estate. Like it might, yeah, like that. Yeah, maybe.

Or, or vice versa, if I said free real estate, you'd be like, oh, it tastes like bacon. I like, okay, free, really, okay, okay. My ignorance on the subject and my not understanding of it is not one of like disgust or revolt. I just don't get it and I wanna understand this.

Because I think it's different to when, for example, like, you know, if you see a picture of a lemon, then you start salivating. I think it's very different to that. Because that is like an association with pre- that's, that's an association with pre-existing knowledge of what that is. But your brain is fucking weird enough

where it could easily make pre-existing bonds or ties to stuff. Oh, of course. Yeah, because that's, I mean, again, that explains the whole thing of like looking at a picture of a lemon and salivating. Yeah. Yeah.

I suppose. That's, because I remember they did that when I went to go get a PCR test in Japan. Like at the PCR center, they have pictures of like sour plums and lemons there to help you salivate. I just, I thought it was really funny. You saw this.

I completely forgot. Yeah, we definitely saw that. I was like, why is there a picture of a lemon that's like, oh, that's why. I guess because right now, the explanation makes it sound like you, like, I could believe it if you hear something and then it's a very faint picture,

but like if it's like, what was it obstructing your view? Like what? I don't know, I don't know. I wanna know this. I'm sure there's different levels of severity to it. Maybe it's like a light hue or maybe it's just like putting a piece

of green paper in front of your face. I don't know. Honestly, anyone's synesthesia, please. Thank God I'm not a fucking doctor. If someone came me with this, shit, I'd be like, all right, fuck off. You're not having any man. He's like, doc, I'm sorry,

what are you got? What are you got? What are you explain to me? So when I show you this waterball, you see five, fuck off, you stupid little fuck. Come on my fucking office again. You see colors? You see colors and some?

Yeah, I can see. I can see colors as well. I see colors as well. I also have eyesight. Yeah, man, shout out to those doctors that just like believe people. I just like, I mean, to me it's like, I wanna know more about it because I don't.

Yeah, it's fascinating. It's like, like, um, a lot of the times, I think that are like, personally, and our brains are very poor, at understanding things we have no concept of being able to feel or experience ourselves. Yeah, yeah. So like when I'm asking all these questions,

it's not out of like, it's not real. It's like, it's just like, I just want to know exactly how it feels and what you're experiencing. Yeah. Well, I think that's why it's so hard for us to like say, you know, whenever you see any kind of like charity movement or something like that,

it's so hard to convince people with like facts and numbers. But you hear like, you hear a story and you're like, oh, okay, I get it. There is an issue, there's a problem. Yeah, and it's not, again, I wanna preface that this is not from like, cause I know that this could be comparable to like, say, mental health and it's like,

oh, well, you know, how could you say that? You could argue that doesn't exist because you didn't feel it or you can't empathize with it. And that's not what I'm trying to say. It's that I, it's not that I'm asking questions because I don't believe or I don't necessarily, you know, think it's real. It's just that I just wanna know.

You wanna get to go. Because I wanna feel like I can understand and what exactly what it feels like to have this thing. It's really fascinating as well, because I'm just reading more of the synesthesia thing on WebMD, only trusted sources. The color, it says it's internal mostly.

The colors are just in your mind. Only a few synthet, that, see colors outside their body. Okay, see, that's what I would argue, right? How do you determine that though? Because when I hear music sometimes, I can like assign and feel and like, if I would, like, I can imagine like shapes and stuff to the music.

Yeah. Because that's just, I don't know why. but like physically seeing it outside of your mind. That's what I thought you meant. Yeah. Apparently there are some cases like that. If that's super rare, I can understand that. Yeah.

But like, yeah, that's, I feel like this is the artist getting described to what color is. Of course we're never gonna be able to like visualize that because we've never experienced that. So we're like, yeah, I mean, I get it, but I don't get it. Well, because if that artist had that symptom, for example, then it'll be a lot easier.

If you were to be like, what? And I'm like, what color is red? And we'll just be like, oh, number four. And he's like, oh, I get it. All right, but the reason why you ask like a billion questions when someone says, oh, I have this thing, is that you're like, well, okay, well, we're not gonna just, we need to make sure that we figure out

what it is that you have. Yeah. So we're gonna be very thorough and ask every single question. Explain it all to me. There's something not adding up. Is something happening? And then you go and contradict it again later by saying this X thing.

It's like, I just wanna know all this stuff because I'm like, I wanna just hear how it works. Because sometimes you hear stuff and you're like, that sounds like you made it the fuck out. Yeah. What are your sources on that? Yeah, yeah. Well, what you feel like you-

Listen, I've been 12. You make shit up. You want to sound cool, right? But also like the older you are, the more you realize, man, the brain is- The brain is just fucking weird. Okay, that's like, the one thing that I've never been able to like understand

of like how your brain is just this powerful. We're going into some shower thoughts. We're going to go into good shower thoughts now, okay? Like split personalities. Yeah. That like, how does, how is your brain fucking capable of that? Okay.

So that is, that is insane to me. That you're Harvard, because there's two brains. Well, I think a lot of the time stuff like trauma can cause that, right? Yeah, yeah. It's like a defense, it's like an internal defense for some people.

For others, not. But like, there's a many reasons why your brain anathomy or whatever could have the decision that this is how you're gonna deal with it or this is what's gonna happen. Yeah, right? It's like, it's a defense mechanism.

The way I always try to like explain to people if this conversation ever comes up, which really does, but like, for example, one thing that we as humans believe without a doubt is that when I've seen something, I saw it. Yes. Like I 100% saw this, you can't change my mind, right? And it's like, well, no, because we have many, many occasions

where like witness testimony, where they swear they saw it and they swear on their life and everything. And it's been not maliciously, because they had no reason to lie, and it was just wrong. Like it just did not happen. It did not align. So like, like the brain, memories, perception,

it's all like almost, it changes at times. I mean, that's like- If your memories can't be trusted as being fact and what you saw, like who knows what else the fuck your brain is making out. Oh yeah, and I mean, you know, that's like the whole basis on like, sleight of hand magic, for example.

It's like your brain immediately thinks, oh, that can't disappear. But no, it's just your brain just can't keep up with it. It's like our brain is like an algorithm that has chosen the best way to do things. It chooses the best answers. Yeah. You know, I actually have a theory.

Okay. Going on a slight hand- I'm not a scientist, because you couldn't. We're none of us are scientists. This is my theory and of understanding of stuff I've seen. Yeah. Okay, so I have a theory. So you guys have all felt deja vu, right?

Yes, of course. Yes. You know, everyone's felt deja vu in one sense of form, even if they've never been to a place or been in this situation before. I've been in this place before. Yeah. I have been to this place before. So like, I have a theory that deja vu comes from like you experiencing basically the same thing in your imagination, maybe through dreams or something like that.

Because like, yeah, yeah, because I, when they say that you remember all of your dreams, I'm like, how? That's bullshit. I remember none of my dreams. No. But I believe, like, some people say that, yeah, you remember all of your dreams, even if you can't recall them. And I have a theory that deja vu is your subconscious brain being like, I have seen this before in my memory somewhere. Yeah, yeah, yeah.

And come back in 300 years to find out the answer. Have you ever felt ja me vu before? What fuck is that? It's the opposite of deja vu. That just sounds like a dance move. Oh yeah, jaummevo, jaumé vu. What were you experienced something? You're like, I've never experienced it.

I've never experienced something before, but you have. What? That's a real thing. Give me an example. What have you had? What happened? I'd never experienced it.

I'm just asking. So, wait, wait, wait, Because it's a thing. I don't know, I'm pretty sure, like Alzheimer's, right? You just describe Alzheimer's. It's just a fancy word for Alzheimer's. It's French Alzheimer's.

He's like, Doctor, here's Jomevo. Jaamevoo. I have, I haven't been to this place before, even though I have. Help, I left a note for myself, and it breathes the other gas off. Jaumeeuvre, that's just memento. Yeah, it's just memento, yeah.

I think our brains are computer. in a way, they're very good computers. And computers have bunch of stuff. You know what's my favorite shower thought about the brain? The brain named itself. Think about that for a second. We, oh, fuck.

Think about that for a second. It's like, it's such a pedantic fucking shower thought. And I realized the moment I was gonna say it. I knew you're gonna say I'm like, fuck this. I'm gonna take it. I love that one. I love how Connor just like I'm like, nope, it's not worth it.

I'm not arguing. I'm not arguing. One of the freakiest videos I've ever seen, which I still fucking, if I want to go into like an existential crisis, I watch this video, it's like a CPG gray video called, like, there are two of you, or something like that. Okay. Where he explains that, you know, there's the right side of your brain

and then there's the left side of your brain, right? And so that's kind of, So that's connected via a nerve, but there have been cases in medical history where they've had to like disconnect the nerve connecting the right and left side of the brain. Yeah. And you can still function as a human being, right?

Right. But only I think one of the side of your brain is like, is in charge of speech, right? Yeah. Yeah. And the other is like part of like motor skills and stuff like that right? Yeah, I mean, I believe that one side, If I remember this correctly, one side of your brain controls one side of it

and the other one controls the other side of it. Yeah. So there have been cases where you've had the split brain and they've given like an apple to let's say the rights, they've put like the right. I'm going to take a toilet break and then I'm going to watch the video and then I'm going to explain it because that's too easy. And that's too simple. Guys, you know it's time. This episode sponsored by Boxu, our favorite Japanese snack box.

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Yes. It's the brain trying to understand the brain. Exactly. The brain can't comprehend. It's too much. We don't know what the brain is. So when people are like, the left side, right side, made one personality, one good. It's like, no, that's, oh, that's it.

We'll pack it in there. Thank you so much. Thank you so much for that. Well, well, that's it. Oh, okay, thanks. So we know one to stop the summer. and stop wasting all the money. Don't research anymore.

It's the brain trying to convince itself on how it works. Yeah. We like easy answers because we're humans and it doesn't fucking work like that. No, of course not. And that's why like study is still being done. But like I think, you know, with modern technology,

we are getting a much better understanding. Yeah, we're getting a better understanding I reckon we're like surface level at this point. Of like understanding how the brain works. All right, tell me about the fucking left and right side and why you're wrong. All right. Why I'm wrong, okay.

Right. Predisposition. Conner's brain is like, I don't believe any of this. This is bullshit. The brain is a lie. He's lying, Connor. He's lying.

Go on, my brain is like, don't trust that brain. All right, that brain is full of shit, Connor. All right, so there have been cases where, for medical reasons, they've split the left and right side of the brain. So they've split any kind of connection between the left and the right side of the brain. But your left and right side of the brain is in charge of different things. So if there, there are,

have been cases where it feels like to a patient of one of these conditions that they would make, they would try to pick something and then their other hand would kind of like disagree with them. They noticed some disagreement with that. And so they have done some tests, right? Where they say they give a command to let's say the left side of the brain, they split up the vision

and give a command to the left side of the brain, like pick up a Rubik's skewed. And they show nothing to the right side of the brain. And they asked them, okay, did you pick up an object? And the guy answers because only one side is in charge of speech, no, didn't pick up anything. And then so they give the instruction for like the left side to put the Rubik's cube

on the right side. And the scary thing is that because one side is in charge of reasoning, they'll just like make up a reason that a cube has just suddenly appeared in their hand. They'll let, they'll reason that something like, oh, I've just always wanted to solve. of a Rubik's Cube or something like that. And that is like terrifying.

Yeah. I believe that this experiment could have taken place and could have happened. I just don't buy into the whole the right and left side thing. And I mean, it seems to- I mean, that's your right side of your brain. That's your reason and logic side of right-

And when we took many B-breaks. You gotta fly off those left side, I also, I also googled it, because I'm pretty sure I heard this was a myth one time. And yeah, I googled it. And apparently this is also, there is some very, very, very, very slight to have different areas of the brain work,

but it's not that easy where it's just left and right. Oh no, of course. Obviously, if you start cutting the brain up, weird shit's gonna happen. Yeah. Like the dude who had a whole fucking pipe rammed through his brain and survived. Yeah. Who started being way more angry.

Like when you take out the, is it the frontal cortex? Frontal cortex. Yeah. I think people start acting way more angry. Yeah. And get way more, I guess what's the word? Isn't that like your reason and logic side of your mind? Yeah, I mean, you do, okay. From what I understand, you can't just like,

cut the same thing out of every single brain and the same results are gonna happen. Like it's like if you start cutting- There are some parts though, like the amygdala for example, which is like the part of your brain that operates emotions, right? If you cut that out of any person,

then maybe not all of your emotions are gonna just being. You're not gonna turn into like a fucking husk or whatever, but like a lot of emotions is controlled by that part of your brain. So if you cut it out, then you'll definitely be less emotive. Oh, I just thought they were called kudereys. Yeah, kudereys are just people

of having a mingdala taking out. Yeah, right? I don't know, I think even remotely pretending like we understand one-tenth of brain science. Brain science. I took psychology one in college. Trash taste tries to attempt to be brain science. I took a psychology class in college one.

I know, can you bring this topic off if none of us know fucking anything about it? Are we allowed to talk about it? Well, we can make speculation. Yeah, I'm betting the brain's gonna fucking in tomorrow. Speculating. Well, it's like not if not even, and fucking, you know, professional scientists

who work on this kind of shit day in and day out fully understand what's going on. Then I think that leaves enough liberty for people have no idea to talk about it as well. Also, like, because it's like talking about this isn't... Oh, is that like a bad, I don't know. Well, I don't know. I feel like that argument is used...

I feel like that argument is used to discredit scientists. I hate that argument. No, but of course, but like what we are talking about in this episode isn't going to hurt someone. Like someone's not, you know, no one watching this is going to be like, oh, fuck. I already got my frontal low back...

I'm feeling too many. I'm feeling too many things. Thank God, trash taste told me to cut my amygdala out. You know, like, no one's gonna, no one's gonna do that. Depression cure. Yeah, depression cured, just take out my amygdala. I just cut out a bit of my brain,

put up fucking cure. Like, no one's gonna do that. Yeah. I mean, it's fucking insane that at one point, you know, a lobotomies existed. I just, I just find that insane, you know, how that was just like a treatment. Is there any times where it's still used?

No, no, no. Do we know? Can we agree, could you fact. I hope, I really hope not. I think they very quickly realized, that you are just basically killing someone, inadvertently. But like, I mean, it's the equivalent

of when you have an old CRT and you just start hitting it on the side to make it operating it. Take out your brain, have a brain transplant. Yeah. You know, your brain is shit for some reason. Or whatever. Yeah.

You can't live, you know, whatever. And they put a new brain in it. I don't know, they can't do that. I'm pretty sure. But, you know, maybe you could. Like let's say, okay, let's say you kid, right? Let's say you kid. Brain transplant, it's possible.

For some reason, we can, Keep you alive, we can give you a new brain. Yeah. Are you still you? No. No. You just described the fucking plot of ghost in the shell.

Literally, word for word. Yeah. It's like if your soul is inside of an Android, is that Android really you? Is your soul in your brain? We don't know, man. That's the, we get it as much this is the Shalathdoth episode.

I thought why not ask? Now we're getting into like the religious territory. What's the, I love that fucking, what's the name of that thing? Go on, go on. Say a thing like that one. He's gonna bring up a meme after like, No, no, no, no, no.

So they're really deep things. A really deep thing. So like, Ugandan knuckles. Ah, the ship of the, uh, uh, thesis. Oh yeah, yeah, where you replace every piece of word. Yeah, yeah. Do you wanna explain what the ship of thesis is for people? Yeah, so obviously there's this,

this question that is arised where if you start with a ship, let's say you're going on a long voyage from the UK to America. What it took you fuck knows how long back then. Yeah. And every now and then, while your ship is going along this route, you know, a plank of wood snaps off here. You maybe you change some wood here.

You found after doing this whole journey that your entire ship has sort of changed nearly all of its parts. And the ship is kind of a little bit different and it's not the same ship. But it's still called the ship of the thesis. Is it still the same ship, even if you change every part over time?

Well, technically speaking, if we're getting into shower thoughts territory, humans are also that way. Because it's like we're constantly reproducing cells in our body. Cells die and then we make new cells to replace those older cells that die. You know you replace your skeleton as well, right? Yeah.

Yeah. So here's the question. You knew that? I didn't fucking know that. So you, there is a point where you literally replace every cell in your body. Yeah, you replace every cell in your body, right? So basically, us now, there is not a single cell in our body right now.

That is the same cells that we had when we were a- Why am I getting shit? Like God, beta cells. Why are you disgusting? I replaced them with the alpha cells. Why am I getting, why are replacing my good cell with shittier old cells?

Stop! No, no. No, but here's the thing, right? Here's another shower thought. Newer cells are still making you older. How does that work? Because they're copying it themselves, Joey. They're just copying over and over again.

Okay, but are you the same person that you were as a baby? If all of the cells that you had as a baby are now non-existent in your body, because they've been replaced with newer cells, you're not the same person as you were. It's all mitosis. What's my toosis? Cells duplicating.

Oh, okay, okay. Yeah. But they're duplicating. Okay. It's my fucking fault, because I'm introducing McDonald's to the mix. They would have been fine. if I gave them what they wanted,

but no, I had to bring a Big Mac and many milkshakes, and then the cells started fucking duplicating poorly. Dying like crazy. They're so fucking dying. Do you know if I'm fucking shitty and dumb? What? Like, you know.

If you tell me something dumb, I'm gonna kill you. No, it's just like, it's just like, cool. Like McDonald's, all this fast food shit, pizza, bad for you. Why is your body making them taste good? Why? No, I think that's how it is.

I think that's how it is. There's the argument of all the healthy shit tastes gross and all the bad shit for you taste good. Yes. If that isn't the biggest troll, your brain has played on you, I don't know what is. I thought evolution was meant to, like, help you.

Why, why we're not evolved to a point where at least healthy foods had, like, taste a bit better? Because humans are privileged. Okay, okay, this is this reason is even bigger question, right? If we were to evolve as, say, a species and, you know, how we're like, oh, yeah, fucking rats, they love fucking peanut butter. They love it, right?

Why do we not all like the same things? What do you mean? Why do we not all enjoy the same foods? Play the Macintosh Plus theme. Hits blunt. I'm just saying, I'm just saying what you're asking is for us to be programmed the same

where we just think that every, like, oh, carrots are top 10 delicious food, everyone on Earth agrees. Okay, but here's the question, right? Why is it that humans turned out that way, but animals do? You know, you know, God didn't, Like this whatever mystical fuck made the earth

didn't make pizza. We did that. Yeah. We came up with that shit. Right. You were like, this weed shit, this cheese stuff that we figured out how to make. We should just start combining shit.

We did that. That's not that they did. Well, I think when evolution happened, it didn't know that the Big Mac Super Real was going to exist. They didn't. Yo, they weren't prepared. We threw that it. That's on us.

The one thing that can beat Darwin, a fucking Big Mac. Big Mac and L. Explain the Big Mac sauce, Darwin. Explain that shit. Also, another question, another fuck up. Evolution has led us for the Big Mac source. We keep saying this evolution thing,

like every evolution is good. Not every evolution is good. What's a bad evolution trait that we got? Think of like half the fucking birds that died. How do you die out as a bird? You gotta be really fucking trolling to die out as a bird. That's the whole point of evolution, Connor? It's survival of the fittest.

What are you talking about? So, the point is that you're implying that every single evolution is a good evolution. Not true. Not every evolution, it turns out to be as beneficial as others. That's why only the best one keeps going, right? Maybe we are the humans

that are not doing good, but we just figure out how to survive anyway, but we're evolving into shitty traits, but we're just really good of fucking slapping a massive band-aid on it. Think about it, right? Yeah, I mean, that's a genuine argument. So what I'm trying to say is that.

You are implying that every evolution is good. Not every single evolution is good. No, I never said that. The way you're using the word No, no, no, no. Evolution is, the whole point of evolution is survival of the fittest. If we, we broke the game.

If we involved- The game doesn't matter anymore, Don, we fucked it up. What I'm trying to say is every evolution should be a good evolution because if it isn't, then we would die off. But yes, I believe we have gotten too smart and we have broken the evolution game, okay?

But what if, for example, what if we are just, we're probably just another like porn in this game, right? No. The next evolution of humanity might be the newer version, and this version of us might be the ones that die out in a couple thousand years. Who the fuck knows? Here's the thing, right?

If we truly lived in a fucking evolution, let's do it, right? Yeah. People who had like incurable diseases would die out. Right, but we don't let that happen because we're not fucking monsters. We try and help people.

Exactly. So we have evolved, I guess, empathy? The humans evolved the most powerful trait, a heart, a soul. Evolution doesn't care about your feelings. Well then we evolved. Evolution is just the epitome of get good. It's like, fuck your feelings, get good.

Just know, the first humans, whatever the fuck they were. Yeah, and false. Yeah. We even cared about other weaker members of the group in evolution. We don't know why do we evolve to be like this? I don't fucking know. And realistically, it's not a trait that helps us to survive in any way. But hold on, you're suggesting then that humans don't,

you're suggesting then that, You're suggesting then that only humans are creatures that are able to feel empathy. No, that's not true. Why do any creatures develop it? I mean, it could be beneficial to build by. Because it's beneficial to the pack. If you have like a herd kind of culture,

if they didn't exist in animals, packs wouldn't exist. But we've gotten to the point where we're like, we're not concerned about the next evolution of human beings. We're just trying to fucking get everyone to get alive. Well, the thing is we're not concerned about it because we haven't been around long enough to feel that change. Yeah. Right?

Birds, for example, have been around for literally millions of years. So obviously they felt that change. Humans have only been around for like, what, couple thousand? But we see, we see changes in every generation of people, you know, like the- Based on the shit that we did.

Yeah, us today are nothing like humans a thousand years ago. Yeah. No, I agree. And that's evolution already. And there are some- We're taller. Yeah. We're taller, yes.

We're more alpha. Yeah. Are we though? Are we? Have you heard some of the stories, I know. We have turned into herbables. We had to make up John Wick to get our fucking Zeus.

You know what I mean? Like we had to make that shit up. Yeah, I mean, there are like, there were like habits within us that, you know, that we don't understand. Yeah. And we still have. And I, you know, people think it's due to evolution.

Like, I don't know why people, like, you see someone yawning and you feel like the need to yawn. What? We were like talking evolution. Like, I yawn, you yawn. That's true. That's the thing that happens. That happens.

Tell me, tell me why that happens. You see someone yawns, it sends from your eyes, it sends a signal to your brain where your brain says, yawn. And you're like, okay, oh! This might be the most scientifically inaccurate trashy's episode of all time. But fuck it, let's wrong with it.

Fuck it, let's keep going. This isn't science, this is shower thoughts. Yeah. Right. So, humans. Right, great, awesome. So, I like him. Our priority is to make as many of us as possible, right? If you think about the survival instinct of us, right?

Japan's sweating, right? But why, why do none of us give a shit about doing it? Well, you could, that doesn't even have to do with the fact that we're trying to repop- It's like going down. It's like every- We're having babies. Here's the thing, but it's not even about that.

It's like every human, I think most humans on planet Earth can agree that I think subconsciously we're all thinking right now, shit, planet's dying, we have to save the planet. You ask someone, how do we do it? Everyone's like, I'll fucking know. We know how to do it, but the people are in charge on fire You're fucking doing it.

Yeah, exactly. See, lack of empathy. I mean, it's lack of like, it's, it's a bad trait of the human mind, I guess, if we're going into this place where we can't really conceptualize a problem this vast, right? We're only able to conceptualize literally either stories we hear about or most of us

are immediate problems and the immediate issues that we're facing. See, that's the real shower thought. Did we evolve to develop empathy or did we evolve further where we think we have empathy? No, no, that's bullshit. Do we actually have empathy? Do we actually have empathy? Or did we just build the knowledge

where we think that empathy is a healthy social construct? Do you think? Because let's be real. Why do you think, for example, every zombie apocalypse film that happens, right? Immediately it's like, oh, the monsters want the zombies. The monsters were within.

We're the real monsters, right? What are you talking? Because at the end of the day, when it comes to actual survival, right? Like think of every apocalyptic movie. You don't see people being fucking empathetic. They're the ones that die first. Yeah, but that's a zombie movie though.

Okay, yeah, but say for example, okay, if it's like- Okay, here's where it all came from, right? Yeah. Is that, you know, human beings have the natural want to be accepted in their like group. Yeah. That's what we've just evolved to do. Yeah.

Empathy is just a branch of that. It just came from that. Yeah. Because it's just a social construct. Well, yeah, but it just boils down to the need that we want to fit in. We just want to fit in. We just want to fit in.

We just want to fit in. The government. What is it? What does the government have to do with this? Okay, do you think we've gone too smart maybe? Because here's the thing. No, we're dumb, look at what we're fucking doing to the planet, we're clearly dumb as fuck.

But the thing is, the thing is, we got smart enough to fuck it up, but not smart enough to figure out how to fix it. Yeah. As a group, right? I think any creature that develops the science of thinking about science is gone too far. We have a history of making stuff. Yeah.

And they're not thinking about how it's gonna work. And then just implementing it. Yeah. But also, like, for example, you talked about, you know, the, you know, it should be human nature to self-preserve, you know, to make more of us to preserve the human race. But we've gone so smart that in some places of the human race, we've gone smart enough

to just not make that decision. Yeah, you know, which completely. We've got to the idea now that it's not a natural instinct to reproduce. This is such a Joe Rogan convention. Yeah. I haven't even had any DMT. I wanna shoot some fucking horse tranquilizer or something.

Is that what you do? Is that what you do when you're all? We're all holding imaginary blunts right now. Where's during this entire conversation? I'm glad we filmed this in Japan because if we filmed this in LA, everyone would all be holding a plank right now. Everyone would think we'd be like high as fuck, man. If I was like 90 years old and had glasses,

you guys would just think I'm the expert. Like I'd be on that door. So you got to draw. Well, that's why he's got the glass. We didn't even plan for this shit. I just happened to bring glasses there. Yeah. Yeah.

fucking, it's, I don't know, I feel like these are. We're dumb as fuck. We are, we are dumb. No, we are. We're so dumb. We've developed really specific parts of our brain to think that we're smarter, but in reality, we're still fucking dumb in a lot of aspects. Well, actual like, apes.

We're still apes. We're just monkeys in shoes. Yeah, we, we're apes floating on a rock, like flying through space, but we've been, we've, but we're smart enough to know that. We're smart enough to develop things that could, like, like, fucking wipe us off the face of the earth. We're not only smart enough to know that, but we're also smart enough to not give a shit.

Isn't that fucked up? Isn't that fucked up? We're fully aware that we are just a tiny speck of dust in space and yet we are still smart enough to be like, yeah, but fucking whatever, you know, I wanna go to work. This is one of the weirdest fucking episodes of trash taste, I think we've ever fucking filmed. Yo, trash taste philosophist, where you are.

But that's another thing, right? It's like, I think the first time that we saw like actual human evolution was when Aristotle was just like, philosophy's a thing now. Yeah, right? Yeah, because it's before, because I wanna, because I always found that weird that like, I can't, like, it didn't really take that long

for humanity for someone to be like, I'm thinking about shit. But why? Okay, okay, okay, okay. Is that weird? No, no, no. Why is that weird? Okay, here's what I'm.

The more you think about it, the weir it gets. It's like one day someone was like, I'm thinking about something. No, why? No. This is so short-sighted to think that. There's obviously been people who have thought about shit before that.

Yeah. We were really fucking bad. We were like, should we keep a record of stuff? No. And then who's gonna keep the records? We were having too many. We were having too many wars. We were killing each other all the time.

And what do you, when you take over a place, are you gonna keep their fucking thoughts? on a piece of paper. Fuck that shit. I'm burning that motherfucker shit down. He was dumb as fuck. I killed him. I don't want to know what he thought.

What his people thought. So we were just too busy trying to get by. And isn't that what we're doing a day? Aristotle. We're just doing that's why no one cares about climate chains because we're like the damn gas prices are making my survival harder. It's all a full circle.

We all keep fucking ourselves. And the people in charge keep fucking us. That's what I'm saying. I just love how you make it sound like, Aristotle invented thinking. He did. No, he did not. He absolutely did not.

He invented the science of thinking. No, he's the only one that we remember and that we bothered to keep his fucking books around. Everyone else, we wiped, do you know how many civilizations that Britain probably fucking raided and just destroyed all their records? But then you're suggesting that before Aristotle, there was no writing.

No, there was, but we just didn't keep it. Right. Just burned it or got rid of it, or let it go to one. But then wouldn't you think that if someone before Aristotle had come up with the idea of thinking, then it would be written down somewhere? Okay, so make something up. I'm sure. Let's do a little, let's do a little thing. Let's say you're the kingdom of, what's your kingdom called? D's Nuts. Kingdom of D's Nuts, right? You have, what's your philosopher called?

Fucking Titsmigue. So Titsmig is made basically like these amazing books that the Diz Nuts Empire just reveres. Yes. Well, turns out they spent a little too much time thinking, and not raising their army. Chad Garn over here comes and destroys the kingdom of D's nuts. And he thinks that your race is just inferior because you couldn't beat him in battle. So let's destroy all your word stuff

because we don't care about what you say. And we'll take the fun little bridges you built and the little toys you built. Fuck the thinking stuff. We don't want that. So we destroy that because we're gonna, our own guys are smarter because we won. If you guys were smart,

they would have thought about a way to stop dying. Then if that's the case, then why did we keep the books from the Greeks? Well, I mean, it was closer to our time period where preservation of information mattered more, right? And culture started mattering more. And stuff like that started to become more. Yeah, but it's not like when the Greeks popped up,

suddenly we're all like, don't burn the books, everyone. Let's keep that. But it's like, it was a gradual thing. I mean, what I was. There's a number of factors to why that period and other periods like the Roman stuff is so well documented. Right.

And it's because a lot of the times as well when these places would get taken over, the other places taking them over or whenever the empire fell or whatever, they might also have a respect for what they've, the stuff that they've also shared or come up with. Right, no, I get that, but like,

I feel like this is wrong. Oh no, it's absolutely wrong. No, it's like, I have no information on this. This is just like, this is what I'm imagining. For like a thousand of years, we were terrible at keeping any documents about anything. Right, no. But I believe like, I don't believe Aristotle,

I don't even know if he was technically the first philosopher. There's no way he was the first one. I don't believe he was the first one. I believe he was the first one. I believe he might have been the first one to actually put a name to it. He was the only one smart enough to be like, I'm thinking really hard.

I should probably make, I should probably put this under a word. So everyone can know what I'm doing right now. Just thinking. There's other, you know, other sects of life that are very closely tied. He's just the, he's the world's first five hit. Well, religion is just philosophy,

just in a nice package and like a DLC. Like, think about it. Like the philosophy of like, it's like a religion and that whole thing is, It's like a whole package. I mean, that's a whole of the camera. You know what I'm saying?

It's just, it's just a way of life and a way of agreeing to how you think it is. Like, so saying that he's the first one is just completely wrong. But then I always wonder, right? Taking that logic of like, you know, say for example, when the barbarians took over the Romans, right? Why was it then that all the Roman stuff

is so much more well preserved than say all the stuff before it? Even though the barbarians probably didn't give a shit about the one. I'm not a historian. So I can't tell you that. Yeah. Historians, please let us know.

Because I've always wondered that, right? I'm sure there's, because, you know, what was the turning point where people were like, maybe we should start respecting other cultures to the point where we preserve their stuff? Well, I think it goes beyond that. It's like you get to a point in society where you realize, oh, being smart about,

sorry, being powerful, having a powerful army, that may be more to life than just taking over people, you know? There may be more to life. Otherwise, half the things in society wouldn't matter. Exactly. But what was the turning point? That's what I wanna know. What was the turning point?

Yeah, what was the turning point between let's burn everything and everyone that they've ever loved so that we can pretend that never existed? No, no. Who invented empathy? No, there's always been empathy. There's always been empathy, right?

It just, you know, at different times in the life, in history, people value different things. Right. At one point they valued, you know, they maybe they realized, oh, we could also sell this stuff. Oh, we could do stuff. with this instead of just destroying it all and pillaging and all that fun. Yes, yes, of course, of course.

Yeah, yes, yes, yes, yes, yes. I mean, like, even like, I don't think we should discredit, not even discredit, but play down how important philosophy. Oh no, very much so. Philosophy has come to like shape just how we, how we live and everything like that

because you look in like, you look at like the such different mentalities and way of thinking between, let's say, like the West and like the East, you know. And you see, A lot of people who are in Asia was very much, their mentality is very much based from that Chinese philosopher,

who I forget the name of now. Which one, Confucius. Confucius, right? That is, it's just like, it's gone so far back that it's literally steeped in society and like the mentality of the thing. That's also, that's also another problem is that, you know. It's not Aristotle, Socrates, my dad.

Socrates. Yeah, sorry, I got that completely wrong. Replace every Aristotle with Socrates. You figured so many people with that. I'm not educated enough to know who this one you're talking about. I'm like, no one fixed me. That should prove that none of us are educated, by the way.

Sorry, it's Socrates, my father. Also, as well, another thing that's be taking into account is that our history and our understanding of it is very English centralized. Yes. We don't know. We don't educate about like Asian history or African history as much as we should.

So our view of the world, Our view of the world, inherently as well already, is already biased as fuck. And we're like, yeah, the Greeks, man, there's fucking guys, just another, the dudes who they know what they're talking about. Oh, there's other people in China, fuck them. I don't know what's going on.

You know what I mean? That's speaking English. Yeah, yeah, it's like, well, they're in Greek, but you know, it's like a, it's a very close proximity and it's a history that a lot of people have subscribed to for a lot of time. So we're biased as fuck.

Yes, of course. This is hard as fuck, because just, this is like too much stuff. This is too much. for any one person to keep track of everything and have a good globally-minded view on everything. See, our brain, we haven't involved far enough for that. No, we're never going to.

Our brain is already running in like 110%. Well, we might, you never know. What do you mean? Again, we might just be the Neanderthal in the chain of humans. We don't know that. Japan has barely figured out web design. I am not holding any hopes

for our fucking brain capacity to evolve. Yeah, it's gonna take millions of years and I think we're going to invent something that can think better than us. I mean, that's computer. That's computers. We've already invented something that can think better than us, all right?

We are, we're gonna be owned by Jeff Bezos. Let's have one of this. Jeff Bezos is gonna be like Andros in the sky. It's just like a big face that just overlooks the earth. Yeah, exactly. Yeah, I mean, it's complicated. Yeah, of course. That's the episode.

It's complicated, but that's why I like these kinds of discussions because it's just like a never-ending, like, list of what ifs that, let's be real. It's like, no one's ever gonna fucking know the answer. It's like, it's like, it's like, it's like three, guys in an old person home trying to remember what they all had for breakfast and none of them actually know. We're just theorizing. They're saying, I had, I had oats four days ago. So fuck

you. It's oats, you know? Like, I feel like, uh, it's terrible. You didn't even come into this all her folks home four days ago. Yeah. What do you mean you missed oat day? You weren't even knew four days ago. Holy shit. I have a lot of strong opinions for being wrong. What do you, what you mean? Oh, you have a lot of strong opinions. It took you this many episodes to figure that out. I'm just I'm fully aware of that. Yeah, I know. His brain's developed enough to understand. At least you acknowledge that.

At least we all acknowledge that. Hey, if you tell me some facts, I'll believe you. Yeah. If you give me some information, you're like, this is what some dude said online who's very knowledgeable. I'm like, all right. I'll just trust the source.

Sometimes, sometimes you just like. This is the problem though, is that when you're like, so then do you believe Socrates invented philosophy or no? He didn't invent philosophy. It literally says he invented philosophy. Before Socrates, there was no concept of philosophy. That we know of that. That we know of.

But like, but like, I don't, I don't think that he invented philosophy. Like documented and organized it, made it appealing. Yes. Yes, I agree. I don't think Socrates was the first person to let's say, think really hard. Yeah. I try to shape. Don't fucking come at me and tell me that nobody else thought about some of the stuff that one was pitching.

Was he like, was he the first person to let's say. Make it marketable? Yes. Make it fashionable. Did he click based thinking? Yeah. He kind of did. Kind of did.

People would come. One simple trick. People would come to listen to Socrates talk. Yes. Right? This is no different than fucking fortune tellers back in the day. This is like another branch of just talking, talking shit and trying to make people believe it.

But this one just happened to be actually, so you say, so you say that's a pretty good point? No, no, no, no, but like it's in my mind, it's like the same realm of stuff of where it began from. It's like the business of trying to talk to people and preach stuff for money

and trying to do that. Yes, yes. Well, like, it's like, I guess what we do. I guess we're getting into a philosophical discussion of how do you even define philosophy. Oh God, we're doing it again. We are thinking, right now we are thinking. How do you define thinking about.

What we have with sports. When we talk about sports last time, we said that, you know, who invented this, no, you didn't invent football. You maybe made it like an official sport with rules and a league and stuff, like yeah, you maybe that country did that. But like people fucking kicking a ball around.

You know what I mean? You're the first person to kick something around. Yeah. Play a game with it. No, but that's a little bit different because that's more like instinctual, right? Like philosophy is inherently- We are instinctively thinking like-

No, yes, humans are, but what I'm saying is animals aren't. Like a fish- Who is saying that? Well, no, but that's what I'm saying. It's like there has to be like a beginning, right? Wait, so you're, okay, hell on, I think there's a giant leap. I'm trying to make out, and I think he's saying this as well as that

other people before him probably thought about things. I'm not arguing to be a lizard, thought about it, dude. I don't think that. I'm not saying that. I'm saying like it's interesting how like inherently philosophy is a human construct. Because we're free time.

Yeah, right. If lizards have three time, also we're just too smart. We're just too smart. No, we are, we are. I mean, you look at dolphins. Not all of us, not all of you. I've seen some of the comments.

Not all of you are smart. I want to put that, I want that. What I'm saying is that like, you know, a shark isn't swimming around in the ocean being like, oh man, that fish looked delicious. But why? But what about dolphins, though?

What about dolphins? Because dolphins are smart as fuck. I fucking hate this obsession with dolphins. Why, why? Because they're smart as fuck. They're smart as fuck that do things that aren't unnecessary. They're fucking awful creatures. No, no, like, I believe that,

please fact check this, but I believe like dolphins are like one of the early other creatures that kill purely for pleasure. No, I know for a fact that... I know for a fact that... No, no, I know for a fact that dolphins, monkeys and humans are the only creatures on the planet who have sex purely for pleasure.

pleasure. Why wouldn't they? Honestly? Right. And I, and all I say, the rest of the adult kingdom kind of is now. Yeah, that's, that's, that's some evolution. I don't need to have fucking evolve, man. That was some good evolution. Hell yeah, man. I want to imagine the first dolphin that was just like, I want to fuck. So, so. So I, I, uh, wanted to see if, because I remember reading about one time that the, like, dolphins are like very aggressive sexually. Gangs of two or three male bottom-nosed dolphins isolate a single female from the pod and forcibly mate with her,

sometimes for weeks at a time. Holy shit. Yikes. To keep her in line, they make aggressive noises, threatening movements, and even smack her around with their tails. Wow, that sounds awful. And if she tries to swim away, they chase her down.

That's terrible. That sounds like. See, maybe evolution is not a good thing. It's my favorite shindover. Oh, El Dojan, man. Oh, yeah, dolphins kill. Not every evolution is the good evolution. Dolphins kill harbor poorpox babies in Scotland.

Yeah. Jesus Christ. Yeah, they kill them. Dolphins need to chill. Yeah, they need to chill. That's how you know things have gotten too smart. But monkeys do that too, right? Like chimps do.

Yeah, but you know, come on. You fuck dolphins, but don't, don't, let's not slander monkey here's, right? Oh man, monkey, come on. They're just, they're us without rules. Come on. At least dolphins have, the decency to not throw shit at each other. Bro, I would rather you throw shit at me

than beat up my child to death. Well, monkeys do that anyway. Yes, they do. No, my monkeys would never do that. I'm gonna be able to go to that. I guarantee there's been instances where a monkey has just gotten fed up with another one's child

and was just like, I'm gonna kill that thing. Guarantee. Is it true corner? Is it? Guarantee. So, okay, hold up. Guarantee. I wanna say, this is, I wanna preface. This is no different, no different to us.

They only kill other, like maybe the same species, but like they kill another family's kids to stop them from fucking breeding. We did that. Yeah, but the only way- Connor, Connor, go get your mans. Yeah, go get your man's, Conner. Don't know, no, no.

Don't, hey, monkeys are engaged in warfare. That's no different from we do. They're just, these dolphins are just killing babies for fun. No reason. I mean, they're both assholes. They both can be assholes. I want on the record, the dolphins are being assing.

You're saying, oh yeah, because it's for warfare, they're doing a service. So it's like, it's more, it's like, no. We do, we do watching. Yeah, but we don't, we don't like, we don't have a kill babies for fun event. Well, no, because we have a thing called a legal system. Point it is, dolphins are dickheads.

Yeah, I agree with you. Why don't we go dolphin watching? Because, who? What's people do? Dude, because, again, it's what we came back to with the animal survival thing. It's all branding. Yeah.

Dolphins are branded themselves as cute, and they're fucking monsters. Yeah. Well, like, how come no one goes like monkey watching? Because monkeys fight back. But dolphins do us? No, no. Monkeys got hats.

Also, no one fucks your monkeys. Because we know they're one step away from us. They gotta fuck us up. Because like with an ape, you can see how fucking built they are. Like, you know that they can fuck you. Have you been close to a dolphin before? I know they can swim with dolphins. I know it can fuck you up, right?

They can fuck you up. They're terrifying. Not as consistently as monkeys. But also you'd have to like, like apes are like land mammals. That's true. You know? We have to like go in. They're tough to get pumped up to my dog.

Like what? We should give them the pool. Yeah, yeah. What are they gonna do? I'm gonna pull the plug out. Yeah, throw hands. Walk up to me. Yeah, walk up to me.

The moment, at the moment, the moment dolphins evolve where they can just come up on land and start smacking the shit out of you is when we stop fucking with dolphins. Yeah, when's the dolphin boxing event? When's that gonna be? When we're gonna put dolphins in the ring, right?

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Back to the episode. Get yourself a Jojo suit. Right, let me tell you how much humans have broken the evolution game, right? Because animals now, a legit survival tactic is putting all of your points into cuteness, right? That's like a legit survival tactic now. We're forcing them to put their points in cute. Yeah, yeah, yeah, like you're like,

you're fucking, your son's dead. Yeah. Fucking make a cute version of you, or you're not breeding ever again. That's why a toy poodle exists. Yeah, exactly. Could you imagine that thing in the wild, in the wilderness?

We're terrible. Yeah, because they have to like. Thank God, you know, Socrates came along and taught us how to think. Oh, socrates was like, no one thought before then. Nobody thought before then. Nobody thought before then. But they could be cuter.

Yeah, it's just like, you know, We talked about how fucking dumbass shit koalas are. You know, fucking pandas will do everything they can to not fucking make babies. They want to be extinct. They literally want to be extinct. And humans are like, no, you're not allowed to become extinct. We were too cute.

It's like the emoes of the fucking animal kingdom. I think it's where I don't want to be here. I think there's a lot of it does, it's like our fault, but they're going extinct, right? Yeah, it's because we just tore down all their fucking homes. I think so? I think if panda tore our homes down, but I wanted to die, I think,

I think I'd be, I wouldn't want to breathe either. They just, they destroyed my home. What do you think a panda's gonna call me? Like, no, it's okay, don't worry about it. We'll take care of you. Please, breathe. That is kinda fucked up if you think about it. And then we have the audacity to show them panda porn.

What is this some black mirror? We said, like, what the pandas are overlord? And they started showing us porn. That is kind of fucked up if you think about it. That's like if someone like broken to your home and like ransacked your shit, and then, you lost everything and you're like, well, I guess I don't wanna be here anymore.

And that same Robert came back and was just like, oh, no, it's fine. Don't know about it. We'll show you some, yeah, we'll buy some new furniture, all right. Isn't that fucked up? That's basically what we're doing. I guess the argument would be that, you know,

the panda's capacity to think isn't as good as ours. Well, look at these more, it wouldn't. They haven't, they haven't discovered philosophy. Yeah, they don't, there's no panda Socrates yet. So there's no really like, you know, Yeah, bro, this is why we should never, ever, like, run into aliens. Like, humanity would be. Oh, yes.

Fucked, you know. But then we're thinking the aliens are any better than arts. Maybe they're just as bad. What do you mean? With like, you know, thinking and everyone disagreeing all the fucking time. To be honest, I don't think it matters. I don't think it matters what we think. Yeah. Because like, uh, I think what was it?

It was, I think it was called the 99% problem that was like posed by some fucking force for something. But it was this like, Socrates. Yeah, Socrates problem. Because nobody filmed before. He never thought, he's the only ever person who's taught that team. But like, I think it was something along the lines of like,

and please fact check me on this guy. But like, I think it's something along the lines of like the DNA, like genetic difference between or disposition between like apes, like monkeys and chimpanzees and us, is that I think there is like a 99% match when it comes to like DNA, like space, structural DNA.

And that one percent that chimps don't have is what makes us that much smarter. Right. I saw a fucking thing. Someone tweeted it was really dumb as fuck. They were like, oh, well, yeah, we just have more DNA. So like, we evolved.

And then someone applied being like, you know there's more DNA in an onion than a human. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. It's got nothing to do with it. It's like, I'm smarter than you. I have more DNA. Yeah, well, you know, we still have, like, lizard DNA in us? Like, when, when...

Why do you think lizardmen exist? What is. God, you don't tell them. Don't tell them. Lizard people are sweating right now. Aside from fucking Mark Zuckerberg, you know, the biggest proof that there is. Yeah.

Like, I believe like when we're embryos, we still like form a lizard tail that we... No, we've got to fact check this. Please fact check that. But like... What? If you're right, I'll give you a crisp handshake. If you're right, I'll never reshaping again.

Do we evolve with lizard tails? When we're babies before... Where embryos. We have, we grow, I believe we grow a slight tailbone and then it disappears. Going back to, yeah, well, maybe, that's fucking weird. If that is true. I swear to God, I swear to God.

Is it the coxics? Yeah, well, isn't the coxics just an after, oh, like, you know, it's just the leftovers of the tails that we used to have as, you know, when we were rapes, right? Isn't that what that is? Is it? Well, isn't that why, like, the appendix as well

is like just the, the leftovers of the, like, the second stomach that supposedly, like, we used to have. Bro, the appendix. Man, well, don't get me start on the fucking appendix. Why don't we have two lungs? Just one, just one big line. Just one, one giga mega one. Why do we not only have one nostril?

Why do we have two hearts? Yes, I can't have a side. Which one should I do to us? There's too many things. Just go, just go. Okay, so for the human age thing, the 99% is correct. Yeah.

Yeah, I believe that. I mean, yeah, that. The human tails thing, it says that for half a billion years or so our ancestors apparently sprouted tails, and all those stay balanced. Yeah, yeah, so it's just like an after, like, Do we still evolve? But what I think God is saying is that when we reproduce now.

Oh no. Okay, okay. Well, I swear, let me let- Okay, but like going back to the 99% problem, right? It's called the 99% problem because hypothetically, right, if an alien species came to Earth. Yeah. Right. And they looked exactly like us, right?

Or maybe not even exactly like this, but genetically they were exactly like us, but now it's the opposite of what we had with the apes. Now, we have a 99% disposition between us, the human race, and these aliens. But the extra 1% we don't have is what makes the aliens that much smarter. So much of a difference that it's the equivalent

to us between chimps, right? So it's like, you know, we look at a chimp like playing around with some blocks and the chimp puts the square block into the square hole and we're like, very good. You know, my son just learned algebra two weeks ago. Right? That could be the same thing for the aliens.

The aliens would be like, oh, you're learning quantum physics? Or my five-year-old just learned that the other day. Yeah, exactly. Like, that's terrible. So like, so the real question is, why would aliens, right, give a fuck about what we think? Okay, but like, here's his one thing. Because to them, we're probably just like the chimps.

Yeah, that's, that's, that's an argument. And that's why it's scary. Yeah, that's why it's fucking terrified. That's why I don't think we should ever, like, encounter aliens at all. No. But, like, one thing I've kind of just realized during this one conversation is that we've,

We've had one example of evolution, an example that's happened on Earth, right? And we've evolved, you know, intellect, smartness, and we've seen that in animals. One thing I'm kind of noticing now is that the smart you are, the more likely you are to just be an asshole. What if that's just like, what if, what if, you know what I mean?

Well, can you realize that you can fuck people over. Yeah, what if? How is a lion do you fuck someone over as an asshole? What if that's just- I don't know, man, like pushing your child off a cliff until we get to climb up. That's a pretty big asshole move. Like, what if that's just an earth thing?

What if you can just evolve intellect without being an asshole? What if that's next level you, man? What if that's just something that's just outside of our perception? That's what I'm saying, man. We are still the Neanderthals in this chain. Thousands of years from now,

we are going to be humans that will develop. We're gonna get rid of assholes. Like, you're just describing like plants. I think you just described. They just don't do anything. They need to mind their business. We eat them, we fuck them up. Have you not seen that M-Ly-Ly-Shammelan film?

Fucking, that's what I'm saying, man. We gotta start cutting a big doll's out. I'm telling you, like, maybe if we could stop feeling emotions, we wouldn't be an asshole. But we decided that, you know, a dolphin killing a child is an asshole move. Maybe to them, they're like, what the fuck? This is a normal Tuesday.

We, we decide, we're putting our morals on a fucking dolphin. Like the dolphin gives a fuck. So what you're saying is, as assholes are a human construct. Yes. What we decide as an asshole changes every fucking generation. That's true, that's true.

Right? Like we had like, I don't know, like you could smoke indoors before. If you did that now, I'd think you're an asshole. You could do that like 50 years ago. So we've just gotten more sense. Yeah. What we just changed like what we think is acceptable and not.

Yes, of course, yeah. I mean, social norms are always changing. Yeah, yeah. You know, it's no different animals. Are they evolving? Evolving. That's up for debate. I wouldn't exactly.

You met anime. I don't think it's fair to say, it's cut and dry. We're going forward. Yeah, evolving is not the term I would use. It's like, is VR porn evolution or devolution? Oh, no, but I don't know how it's like helping the human race if you really think about it.

It's evolution in technology. It is definitely de-evolution in every other aspect. My God. Is there survivor bias with evolution? I don't know. Isn't that the whole point of evolution? It is literally survivorship, but no, it's way. See, I don't know.

I feel now it's gone to the point where that's not the thing that determines the next step in evolution. Like, I, like, could you, like, okay, so let's say, like, dinosaurs, right? Dinosaurs just got fucked over. Yeah, like they couldn't have evolved their way out of being struck by a fucking meteor. Yeah, yeah. The same way we couldn't, right? So like, in some ways it's like, yes, survival to finish, with a few asterisks.

Well, the thing is, if the humans don't turn out. Yeah. Decide to destroy your home. Well, that's like, that's like, interesting actually, because I think I saw like a let me know video about like, the apocalypse. And I think like the conclusion he came up to is that it's actually really, really fucking hard

to completely wipe out the human race, right? Yes. We know this because we have like fucking bunkers and shit underground. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Stockpiling. Exactly. The only way is to literally just blow up the earth.

Yeah, exactly. Just wipe out all life. You know, for every, you know, let's say there was a, you know, a nuclear bomb went off. You know, not everyone who gets strike by that dies. Yeah, yeah, yeah, exactly. A lot of people survive it, maybe it's not the healthiest, but the people who make it through. Yeah, no, exactly.

It's really, really hard to completely wipe out the human race as it is right now. We're like cockroaches, but big. Yeah. Yeah. We're the fucking virus. We're the virus guys. We are the cockroaches, dude.

Next level, next level of human humanity is just like the cockroach men and terraformers. That's what we're gonna evolve into, dude. Don't say that. Oh my fucking God. That's evolution, dude. It's like reverse planet of the apes. We were the cockroaches all along.

You know, I think she's ahead of point. Like, God. No, but something to think about. What were we saying before about, yeah, obviously like, an all of the took was an asteroid to like wipe out all of the dinosaurs. Yes. But they weren't smart enough to like not survive on.

to like not survival out now, you know? They weren't too fucking big. You're literally small brain. That's what, that's what. So what's, so God, what you see is, if there's dinosaurs evolved enough to the point where they're like, you know what, there might be this thing

that falls from the sky one day and we just all get wiped out over it. So let's build a bunker underground to save ourselves. I mean, yeah, then the dinosaurs could have survived. It's not like an ideal survivor, you know, survivorship. Yeah. But the point is you can, you know,

There is certain sex of humanity that through millions of years can eventually repopulate the world, maybe. I'm glad there are crazy bunker people out there. Yeah. Because we need them. Yeah. I don't want to be one.

I'm happy to die when the asteroid comes out. But aren't you then afraid that those other people who are going to be the next humanity? Bro, if you look back a thousand years to see people we had, we didn't have much better. I think we turned out okay. I think we'll be all right.

We'll pick ourselves back up again. I'm sure. I think, you know, yeah. Did you see how World War I started? Like, I think, uh, yeah, true, true. We don't have a good track record of the smartest people being in the best position. Yeah, yeah.

Yeah, I mean, uh. We're doing all right. Yeah, hopefully, hopefully we learn from our mistakes. Yeah, as a species. No, sure. I mean, that's why historians are right. We get 10 things wrong, 10 things wrong, and one thing right every now and then.

Yeah, what I've learned is that like evolution and survival of the fitters doesn't get rid of it. stupid people. That's what I've learned. It's because if you think about it, stupid people have always been around. It's just the idea of what is considered stupid. Yeah, because like, let's say it's the whole thing

with politics, right? My agenda is better than yours. And it's for them, that's survival and the way that they wanna live. And that's there, so that's, you know, you're getting into that now. So every single person on the internet who says like, oh, survival of the food is,

we'll get rid of all the dumb people and be a smarter human race. I don't think that's ever gonna. Yeah, alpha males. I don't think that's ever gonna happen. No, I mean. Because then once you get rid of all those people, there's gonna be a new type or personality

or trait of some kind that will just feel its place again. I mean, our strength as humans is that we have like everyone who thinks different shit. Stupidity is a social construct. Someone thought, hey, we should just make something that fucking flies and can carry me. It's like, no one ever, that's the dumbest shit ever heard if I was like middle ages. I'm like, fuck off.

Oh, yeah, yeah. Don't people make the walk around. We need crazy people to come up with the coolest shit. Yes, of course. I mean, pizza crust stuffed. Insane. Yeah, because it actually made pizza crust edible. But like, insane idea.

But the first person who came up with that, they were like, whoa, whoa, whoa. Why are the Italians not figuring this? Yeah. It's gonna completely off topic. Well, like, it's- We need crazy people. I like the thing that stuff crossed

was invented when someone just took a pizza and just rolled it up. It was just like, you're in a calzone. It's like, yeah, yeah. I looked at a calzone and it was like, hang on a second. I can do that. I remember I had this conversation with Joey Watts where it's just like, who do you think

like invented the first blow job, you know? Do you remember this conversation? Yeah, we talked about it on the after dark, I'm pretty sure. Did we actually? I think so. I think I had the same response of like, for fuck sake.

I'm sure people were doing it. They just didn't put a name to it. You know? You know what I mean? Like thinking, like philosophy. We didn't put a name to philosophy. I think we googled it and it was like the Greeks or the Romans, right?

The Romans, I'm pretty. They popularized it. Again, it's the philosophy thing all over again. They just put a name on it. They invented porn up, okay. Romans invented giving head. They were so five head that they decided to give hair. You're doing it, okay,

I'm losing my mind. You're doing okay? Same here, same here, it's okay. My mind has expanded right now. Galaxy brain. We are the new philosophers of our time. And that's how you know our generation is fucked. If you guys are listening to us.

Oh, damn it. God damn it, all the hell. All right. Well, hey, look at all these patrons, though. They're gigabring because they're supporting the show and letting us talk about dumb shit like this. I'm so sorry to all people we've treated with this. I'm sure there's going to be so many angry minds.

I'm just like to all the philosophers, scientists. Historians, biologists. Yes. Scientists. I feel like, literally any field, geneticists. Literally any form of field that has some kind of takes life. My apologies. Psychologists.

My apologies to Socrates. I didn't mean a, I didn't mean a butcher like that, bro. Shout out to Aristotle. But hey, if you like to support the show. He's the one from the Marvel film, right? What, Aristotle? That's how people are gonna know. Yeah.

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And yeah, I hope you enjoy this show. Shawa thoughts moment. I hope you're listening to this in the shower. We are not high, by the way. We are in Japan. It is illegal to procure drugs here. Yes. This is, uh, I don't know why we spoke about this.

I don't know how much. We started off with haughty and ended up with dolphins and monkeys. I'm really glad I brought my glasses today. This was the perfect episode for it. You know, thinking been real quiet since philosophy dropped, man. Yeah, been, been real quiet, man. They just stopped, like, they just went,

they went from a do-d-do to like, yeah. All right, before actually, actually, Before we end the podcast, genuine, like, math, that's a weird thing to me. Off right? No, we're not getting into this. Math exists, we just figured out how to explain it.

As my physics teacher once said, science makes maths its bitch. Yeah, but like, if you think about it, math would be pointless. If you think about it, math is like the universal language. It's the only language that technically... No, no, no, no, no, no. Isn't it crazy that the Indians invented zero?

Okay, okay. Did they actually, yeah. Hold on. I'm actually gonna kill you guys, okay, okay? Okay. Can you fact check that? Okay, so, math is just like English, but we just use that to explain the things that are happening

and how they interact. It's just the language that we chose. Right, yeah, that's it's a human construct. Like math is there and it's the way that we communicate. So does math exist outside of humans? Of course it does. Yeah. But like, like, the, like, the concept. concept of explaining it doesn't,

but like the stuff interacting and all the formulas that are happening, those things are happening whether we describe them or not. But like, do you, do you not find it weird? Okay, this is what blows my fucking mind, right? You know, the, you know, like a few years ago where they changed what a kilogram is, right?

Yes. They mathematically changed what a kilogram is because before they had this weight that was a kilogram, it was like in a fucking bunker in France or some shit. And that was a kilogram. And then they changed it to be based on, equations that used a universal constant.

I believe it's like a constant. The plank, the plank constant. The plank constant. Why are there constants in our law of the universe? Does that not, that fucks me up. Why is this, why did like the universe go, yo, speed of light? That's the thing now.

That's like, that's as fast as you can go. To give you a very easy way of kind of explaining this, is that like the difference between Celsius and Fahrenheit. They're both communicating the same thing, right? But they both, they are entirely different numbers. Right, but one is dumb and the other is Celsius. Yeah, exactly. You can convert, right?

Yeah. And it's the same thing. If we rebuilt math again from the ground up, we could make new constants that matched all the formulas that we'd already made, right? Yes. It's just the, we have decided that for our math, we're gonna use this is the constant.

If we changed it, the other constant we chose would have to change, right? It's just, we have decided that this is how we're gonna express these numbers and these interactions. Why numbers? What the fuck say, goodbye. Why is numbers the universal language? Sorry mathematicians.

I'm gonna leave it there. How do you invent zero? Some Indian one day was just like, we need a number that means nothing. And before that, there was no number for it. Isn't that crazy? That's not. So think about it, right?

Let's say numbers back then was purely for like trade or whatever you were using it, right? So you would have one of something, you never had zero of something. So there's no need to have. have a zero because your math wasn't using that concept. Yeah, but surely before, okay, caveman, all right, you need to communicate, hey, there are three X's

along, there are three dears that we can hunt. Surely, surely that was a concept that was needed before markets and selling stuff existed, surely. Yeah, but the Neanderthals weren't standing around being like, there are zero deers to hunt. Goodbye, goodbye, goodbye. All right, we're gonna continue this conversation off screen. We'll see you guys later.