Trash Taste Podcast - The WORST Fandoms in Anime | Trash Taste #16

Episode Date: September 18, 2020

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What's our big peepy nation? Welcome back to another episode. Oh, no. Trash that, I could, I tried to say that with a straight face. I'm sorry. Like budget Felix. Yeah. What, Big Peepie Nation?

Yeah. That's the name of the fan base now. Big Peepie Nation. I am leader of Big Peepie Nation, Joey. And with me are my two other leaders of Big Peepie Nation, Garten Corner. It's TT on the PeeP. Tee on the...

Tee on the... I'm so glad to be a part of the Big Peepy Nation. The Big Peepy Nation. All. All of my self-esteem issues are gone. It's not funny to say. It's like going back to the pee-pee-pooh-poo thing, isn't it? It doesn't matter how old you are.

Pea-pooh-poo is one of the funniest things I've ever said. You know how poop jokes were funny when you were five, and then you hit teenager and they stopped being funny, and then as an adult, they get funny again? Yeah, what is that? What is it? It's more like, what is it with teenage years where you're just like, no, No, P and Poo jokes are out.

I'm more intelligent than that now. Let me look at a C.K. Lewis special instead for two hours. Learn about the world with some high quality comedy and then five years later you're like, Big Pea Pee Nation, what's up? Oh my God. Uncultured, uncultured, clearly, I'm kidding. I'm the biggest defender of it.

Yeah, dude, you are. If anyone is Big Peepee Nation, it's you. How I think I am, like the Winnie the Pooh meme, you know, how I actually am, you know. Oh my gosh, so what are we talking about today, guys? Oh, I mean, we could talk about anything. I thought I would tell a story to begin with. Okay, okay.

I was in my Japanese class this morning. Story time with Connor. Story time, it's story. Story time of Connor. Right, so I was, I was in my Japanese class, as I do, learn Japanese, not very successfully, as always, but I turn up, you know, I'm helping. Yeah, you're there.

I'm helping, I'm helping. And I was, in the break time, we get like a five minute break. I don't know why, it's only two hours. I don't really feel like you need a break for two hours. And you know, whatever. So we get a break and we're chilling in like the lounge area.

It's like that kind of hip. A lounge area. They have like a kind of, it's like this like fake hip college kind of area. It's like, yeah, sit what you want man. Like everything's a chair. And so I was just sitting and then I was talking with my teacher and then a guy right next to me like here

is like, hey, do I know you? Do I know. That's always the worst. And I'm like, no, I don't know. He's like, I don't know. He's like, you're a YouTuber, right? I have my mask on, bear in mind as well. Right, right, right.

And I was like, yeah, yeah, I guess that's me. And I just stared at him. I was like, I was so caught off God, I know what to say. So I was just, like, I looked just dead in that, like, the Mike Rosowski meme again, I love that meme. I just looked at him like, yeah, yeah, yeah.

Just stared at him. And then I was like, oh no, that was pretty things of an asshole now. So if you're watching this, I'm sorry, I just stared at you blankly when you recognized. Wait, wait, so he came up to you was like, you're the YouTuber right?

And you said, yeah, and then he just didn't say anything? Or he was like, oh, he's like, oh, yeah, I think I've seen your stuff. And I was like, oh, thanks. I love it when you like get recognized and they come over and I'm like, hey, you're, you're that guy, right? And then you say, yeah.

And then you kind of see the realization on their face that they didn't plan the conversation out at any point after they said that. You know what I mean? It's just because I didn't expect it. In my Japanese class in like, you know, in Japan. I mean, it's a lot of foreigners that, admittedly. Yeah.

It's something like a lot of older people than me. So I just didn't expect it to be. Yeah, what is up with some people who are just like, oh, he's a YouTuber, he'll leave the conversation on right afterwards. I didn't mind. I felt bad because I felt like I should have been like, oh man, how are you doing or something? I was just like, yeah. Because when you get recognized not at an anime convention, right?

Because I feel like when you get recognized in an anime convention, you're like in the zone, you're like, okay, I'm expecting this. I like know how to handle this, but when it's just out on the streets, IRL. It's like not near a convention, just my daily life. Yeah, just in your daily life. you just get blindsided. Because you get caught during like your off period.

Because like at a con, you're always on your on period where you're like, all right, there's people around me, people are looking for me. Yeah, yeah, not to be like egotistical, but at a con you know there's gonna be some people like, like, anime convention. You know people who know you, so you're like ready for it. Yeah.

But, you know, when I'm just at my school or on the gym, it's like the last thing that's in my head is that I'm a YouTuber, right? I'm just thinking like, I should get my fucking day over with, right? I was like the time where I got recognized by, it was the first time I was ever recognized by a gym. like a straight up Japanese person,

like can't speak a word of English Japanese. Oh wow. And it was a fucking salary man in like his mid-40s. And when he like tapped me on the shoulder and I turned around, there was just this like mid-40s like borderline ugly bastard looking fucking. Oh, that poor guy. Like I'm serious, it was like borderline ugly bastard looking guy.

I was just like, oh no, I'm in danger. I'm in danger. And then in Japanese he was like, oh, you're a, you're a YouTuber. who collabed with Kisna Ai, right? And immediately, I was like, ah, you're a Kisna Ai fan. Of course you are.

Of course you are. You look like a V-Tuber fan. And so I said like- Defending all the V-Tube does that right now. Call me out like that, Jerry. So you look like a Japanese V-Tuber fan. And so I was like, yeah, yeah, I did. Because I think it was like maybe one or two weeks

after I did my first collab with Kisna-I. And that was like a really big thing for me, where I got a lot of Japanese eyes on me. Because before that, you know, because I don't really speak in Japanese on my channel, right, Japanese people aren't subscribed to my shit. Yeah. But when I was on Kiznaai's channel, because I spoke Japanese,

I got a lot of like Japanese people who, you know, came to my channel obviously, and the salary man was like, oh, I, after I saw your collab with Kizna Ai, oh, sorry, no, he said Ai-Chang. So I was like, oh, yeah, you're definitely fan. So after I saw you collab with Ai-chan, I subscribed to your channel.

And I was like, oh, do you understand, like, can you speak English? And it's like, no, but I watch your videos to learn English. And I was like, hmm, just in the back of my head, I was like going through my entire, all the horrible shit, I'm just like, I'm pretty sure I say cunt, like every three words in my videos, I'm like, I don't,

and so jokingly I was like, oh yeah, I mean, my videos aren't the best to learn English with, and in a straight face, he's like, no, actually, I've learned a lot from your videos. Like, oh no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no. But yeah, that was scary to it. Have you ever been recognized by a Japanese person? Yeah, I've been recognized once by a Japanese person

in Japan. It was like the most random place, because I think, I can't remember what date it was, but I think I was like on a date with Sydney, somewhere in Japan, and we went to this like random Italian restaurant, right? It was like a local, run Italian restaurant, but it was like run by a Japanese person and we come in and for some reason,

the Japanese person was just like, the guy waitering us was just like super, super nice. And we thought he was just, like this overenthusiastic Japanese person. Yeah, he was like trying to speak English to us and everything and we're like, oh man, this is a really nice restaurant. I don't know if they're just nice to everyone here. Yeah, yeah.

And then we get the bill and he puts on like this massive discount on it. Right. And we're like, the must be a mistake. We got like the wrong bill or something. So we go up to the guy trying to speak like our broken Japanese just to say like this is this is wrong, this is the wrong price. And he goes like, um, He also like communicates like broken English and Japanese being like, oh no, like I just wanted to say thank you

for like everything you've done. You, you're like, I watch your videos to help again, learn English. And I'm like man, why are our videos being used as a resource to learn English, right? There are so many good videos out there where you can actually learn English. Why don't use antituber videos to learn English.

It's never a good idea. Although I don't know, like I feel like whenever I, if I ever get to meet a V-Tuber and I'm like, like, man, thank you for helping me learn Japanese. I'm wondering if they're gonna like have the same kind of reaction on the other side. Yeah, Jesus, who's this guy? What I'm gonna talk shit about him on a podcast.

That's like the, that cashier at the family mine near our house, it was like a fan of my videos. And every now and then, like, if when I go to the family mart near my house late at night and he's working there late at night, he's sometimes just like, yo come here and he leads me to the cash register and he's like, see all this chicken

We're gonna throw it out. They give you a free. Do you just want some? And he just gives me the free fucking family match chicken. I'm like, yeah, sure, why not? This is probably gonna kill me, but it's all right. I'll take some free chicken. Yeah, shout out to you, by the way, whatever your name is.

I don't know what your name is. I actually got recognized last week as well, in the last week. It's a bit of, calm, calm down, it's a bit of an awkward story though. And what's awkward about it is the guy mentions that he watches trash taste every week. So I'm, really? Yeah, so I'm about to tell the story and hello guy who's probably watching this. He's probably shitting his pants right now.

It's like, that's me. Okay, because it was a bit of an awkward experience. I'm not gonna lie, not like, and the thing is I'm probably gonna see this guy again in the future because, okay, so where I met this guy was at an anime bar, in Aki Harbara. So I went to this anime bar in Aki Harbara

and it was a really, really cool bar, but it was like kind of small, right? I can't remember the, name of it, I think Maylin was the one who told me about it, but I remember that I went in there and immediately one guy recognizes me. And I didn't see that, Maylin saw that. Japanese guy or Western guy?

We thought he was Japanese, but he was like California. Okay, yeah. And like, you know, you know when you get recognized and it's just like that look? Oh yeah, yeah, yeah. Yeah, yeah. It's like the triple tape, right? Yeah, yeah.

I'm not that I won that aggressive. But like, you know, like when you're at an anime convention, you're just like the, and like they're like, they're like debating about whether they should, they should say hello for like the next like five minutes. Yeah, I see just come, just come. And like if that ever happens, if they have ever, just please just come, come, come now, come now.

I'm so sorry that we always reference that. It's just you can't stop fucking laughing at that shit. Yeah, yeah, yeah, so we're sitting at the bar and the waiter comes up to us and goes, yeah, Do you mind if that guy says hello to you? Apparently he knows you from some way. And I'm like, yeah, sure. The waiter did this?

Yeah, the waiter. Oh, wow, like fucking romance thing? Like, did he? No, so, um, so I think he asked the waiter. And so he comes days hello and we have like a nice friendly chat, you know, it was, it was a friendly chat, he seemed like a friendly guy. Right.

But, you know, it wasn't anything more than that. It was just like, oh, you know, I, what are you doing here? Do you work here? Do you live here? Just the casual ban- Just to the casual small talk, you know, didn't seem like that weird or anything.

Right. But so we, you know, we go back to our tables and we just carry on the night and that was like my last interaction with him. Right, right. And so as we're leaving, the bars closed early because of, you know, Corona and everything. Yeah, yeah, everywhere closes early in Tokyo now.

So we're going out and we go down the lift and just as he's about to get in the lift, the lift is kind of like full. So it's just like our group and we go down the lift and we have no idea where we're about to go, right? Right. Because we're like, oh, it's anywhere even open right now. Yeah.

And one person says that there's like a karaoke place right next to the bar that is like anime themed. And that sounds fucking awesome. So we go to this karaoke themed, I'm sorry, this anime themed karaoke and we get the Ava room and it's such a fucking, it's such an awesome room. I gotta tell you.

Oh, we gotta go there. I gotta tell you guys, there sometime. Hell yeah. Yeah, so we're chilling in there for like a good, good like 10 minutes, just like, you know, choosing our beers, getting some food, and you know, picking our songs.

And then one of the waiter comes in and brings in like an extra towel, which if you've never been to like a Japanese establishment, when you come in, you get like the wet towels. Oh yeah, everyone gets like a wet towel for like how many people there are. So we start asking, oh, did someone order an extra towel or something, what's going on?

And then the guy just waltzes in and goes like, boys, can I join you? And so I look around and I'm like, okay, he was talking, he was talking to someone else in the group at the time. So I look at him to be like, did you invite him? Cause I didn't invite him, Sydney didn't invite him, Maylian didn't invite him, I don't think.

So it must have been you. And I just saw like the look of confusion on his face. And I just immediately, it wasn't me. And I was just immediately like, oh, okay, no one invited him. Okay, how the fuck did he know that we were in this specific room when we didn't even know that we were in this specific room.

So. That only just means then that he followed you guys. Yeah, but I don't know how he followed us because as we like, we walked to the karaoke place. Right. And so we didn't know we were going to the karaoke place until after we'd gotten out of the bar. And he wasn't there behind us.

So apparently like he said that he's like, he knows everyone in the place, he's a regular, And so somehow he found out we were in this specific room and he, you know, apparently he just thought he was, he could just join us. And if you're watching this guy, which you probably are, as a fan of trash taste. As a fan of trash taste.

This is totally a call out because, you know, you know, as we're, as I'm probably going to be in that area. You're going to say it now. I'm going to say this now as of as the same as I'm going to say it, probably next time I see you. bruh, like, that was pretty creepy. Like, if we had interacted more, I would have been like totally fine, you know,

if we had like invited you or if you were like, if you were like, talk to us beforehand. But the fact that you just showed up, like, unannounced, and we didn't know how you got, we didn't know how you knew where we were. Like, we didn't even know we were gonna be there. So I don't know what you were expecting. Yeah.

I'd like to think that he was expecting, like the memory come in the room, you all just like turn around like, welcome, you did it, you did it. Congratulations. Join us, you found us, you did, you solved the mystery. You can now join us. You're gonna lock the secret ending, please enjoy.

I mean, it's at like conventions there as well, right, people do that all the time. Yeah. I remember I was with Emorytri at a con and Emily comes up to me because we were hanging out the whole con because we didn't really know anyone. And there's just two guys with her.

She's like, we're gonna I'm like, yeah, who are those two? She was like, oh, I don't know. I'm like, what are they, what are they doing? They're like, they asked if they could join us for lunch. I'm like, do you want them to? And she's like, not really. And I was like, all right, okay.

And then I was like, hey guys, we already know you. We're gonna get lunch, sorry. Yeah, I feel. Because some people like, you know, like, don't wanna be the asshole. Yeah, like, how'd you guys sound of that? Because I just straight up tell them, I'm like, hey man, I don't know who you are.

I'm gonna get you up. There's really no nice way of saying that, unfortunately, you just have to, I mean, you know, and I can tell that sometimes when people do that, they don't mean it in like a creepy. No, no, no, no, right. A lot of them just, you know, they've met who might be someone they really look up to.

Right, right. This is their one chance to socialize with them, but they maybe, you know, don't really think about, hey, it might be a little weird if you just kind of like follow someone. Yeah, yeah, yeah. I mean, I'd like to feel like I'm a pretty, I'm a pretty open guy in terms of, like, social situations.

Like, I'm definitely, like, I've, like, had plenty of situations where, you know, we're at like a social gathering or a party, and they, and then we join someone else's karaoke room. And you're like, hey man, come on. Yeah, but you know there are like several steps that you have to take before that before you,

they both parties like mutually comfortable with something like that, right, right. You know, which is, you know, this is equally a message to like everyone at conventions and everything like that because I'm sure we have like a lot of different stories of just like awkward social situations where you don't really know people and they kind of just invite themselves into your group.

Yeah. And I feel like it would be the same whether we're famous or like not, you know. No, yeah, it's just like essential skills, you know. I think my absolute pet peeve, though, more than that is because, like, you know, at least with people who try and, you know, get a little too social with us or, you know,

whoever they admire, right, and try and sneak themselves into our friend group or whatever, is that at least you can just straight up be like, okay, you know, I'm not cool with this or whatever. Like, you can directly do something about it, right? What I find worse than that, and this is sometimes at convention, this is sometimes just out in public,

is when they take a photo of you from a distance. Oh, yeah. And then they tag you either on Twitter or Instagram being like, I saw Joey at blah, blah, blah, blah. And it's just like, it's like paparati. It's like it's so, like I had one, I forgot where it was. There was some con in the US, but we were nowhere near the con.

And we were just hanging out at some mall because we had already finished all our panels and whatever. We were just hanging out with a couple of my friends. And then, you know, it was fine. You know, we didn't really, We ran into maybe like two or three people, but whatever, like they came up to us and said hello and whatnot.

And then I went back to the hotel and I was just checking through Twitter. And then I saw this photo of me, but it looked like I was on the ground floor and you know how some malls they have like a big open top right, right, right, right. It looked like someone had taken a photo of Aki and I from like the fifth floor.

And it was this real, yeah, no, no, we didn't even have to enhance because they drew a red circle around us. Hey man, they did. They made the thumbnail for me. Yeah, they made the thumbnail for me. They were like, they drew a red circle around us and being like, I saw Arki and Joey had so and so more.

I'm just like, that's fucking terrifying. Jesus Christ, like just, if he saw us, they'd just like, it would've been less embarrassing and less creepy if they had just fucking shouted my name from the fifth floor, right? Yeah, yeah. Then at least I would know that they're there, but they were like, I can't let them see me.

Like, why? Why would you do that? It's just like, you know, I get it, There's some of those people are nervous. I know they treat at me sometimes. I get that they're nervous, right? But there's a difference between being nervous and being creepy, you know what I mean? Yeah, I mean like, I understand.

Like I try to be as like understandable as I can with like people being nervous. I didn't scold them or anything, right? I didn't call them out on Twitter or whatever because it's happened more than once. But every time I see stuff like that, and thankfully it hasn't happened in a long, long time. But whenever every now and then when stuff like that

does pop up on my Instagram or Twitter or whatever, I'm just like, Dude, come on. I just, you were literally, you took a photo of me. There was another one when I was back home in Sydney. Right. And I was just like walking, I think I was walking around with my sister or something. Yeah. And someone had taken a photo of me from behind,

but it wasn't from like even that much of a distance. It was literally like, like, yes distance. Right. And I was just like, that's fucking terrifying. Because if I had turned around at that moment, I don't know what they would have done. Yeah. But they've just stood there like Mike Wazowski, like, I was just stood there like, I wasn't taking a photo, I swear.

Bye. Yeah, I don't know, I mean, people can just talk to me whenever. Like, I might, like, look at them blankly for a second as I realize what's happening. Yeah. But if you're that close to me, just come up to me. Just like, I wanna talk to people.

I like talking to people as well. As long as you, you know, just come on in like a nice friendly way. Yeah, as long as you don't come up to me and, like, gruel the shit out of me. Like, I don't care, just come up to me. Like, but that's the thing though, right? I think a lot of people don't like to come up to, or whoever they admire because it's their private time currently.

I don't give a shit. I don't give a shit. Like if I'm sitting down, clearly eating, don't. You've said that number of time, right. Or if I'm in like a private karaoke room, for example, you know. That's, that's not... If I'm walking around in public, I don't give a shit. Like, come up to me.

Exactly. Same here. I love having conversations. So there's a PSA, right? If there are any trash taste fans and you see any of us out on the streets wherever, just come up to us. Just come up to us. to us. And if it's an awkward situation,

we're just probably gonna tell it on the podcast. Yeah, exactly. So, just don't fuck it up. Don't fuck it up. If you don't want to be called out on the podcast. I'm kidding, there's like 100 awkward interactions we haven't talked about. Yeah, dude, we could dedicate an entire episode

to show like that. We should someday. I mean, I gotta ask you, have you guys ever had that the other way around where you've been the nervous wreck beating someone? I've had that once. I've had like a fanboy moment. Why just made lean laughing?

Yeah, why you're laughing. We know you've been there, Mailene. That's just Mailin's life. That's just you in general. I've had that, I've never understood like the fanboy moment in my life until maybe, I think it was two or three years ago. I don't remember if I told them on the podcast or whatever,

but I was at Otakuthon in Montreal, Canada. And I was a guest there. And one of the other guests was Obata Takeshi, who was the illustrator for Death Note. And like, you know, Barkuman and, you know, basically that guy. And he was a guest. And I knew he was a guest, right.

But there were lots of guests at that convention. Yeah, so I was like, I know he's a guest, but it's such a massive con, like, I'm probably not gonna see him. Yeah. So we went to the opening ceremony because we had to go to the open ceremony. Of course, he wasn't at the opening ceremony. It's too busy for that. He was too busy for that, right?

So I'm just like, it's whatever. Like, you know, I might see a poster of him somewhere, whatever. I'll see him in the distance doing, you know, signings, whatever. When you're two guests at a convention, that means nothing. No, no, I know, I know. He's like, he doesn't seem like the kind of guy

who I'll just like meet in the green room, right? Like he's gonna have like his own room or whatever. He was easily like the biggest guest at that corner. So I was like, okay, that's cool. I mean, it's cool that I'm in the same building as him or whatever, but it's whatever. If I don't see him, totally fine. So we finished the opening ceremony

and we're walking towards our first panel. And I think Arki was with me and she, and she was like, Joey, you should, you should turn around. Like, why? And he's like, because look at the, who's like directly behind you. And I turned around and it was Obata Takishi, just kind of standing there who's just like,

kind of looking at me. Yeah. Like silently. And immediately, because he's, he has such a, because he's like, he's got like a bald head, right? Like very distinct looking dude. And immediately knew, I'm like, holy shit, that's Obata Takashi. And anybody would tell you,

if you're a guest at a con with Obata Takishi, that is like the most optimal moment to be like, hi, yeah, hello, right? It was the perfect timing to be like, I'm a guest at this con too. Yeah, yeah. I was a fan of your work, whatever. I couldn't say anything.

I legit was like, oh, God. And at that moment, I was like, oh my God, this is the fan boy moment. I understand it now. Like, you really can't say anything. You just get, that was the definition of just dumbstruck.

Yeah, right? Because I think I was so caught off guard that I didn't expect him to be literally standing right here looking at me. Yeah. I don't know why he was looking at me either. Like silently, he was like, Is he half?

Yeah, it's like, did you speak to him at all? No. No, I would love to speak in you. I know, yeah, I know, I should have. I miss that opportunity, I regret it to this day. Because I've had like a similar experience when I first moved to Japan. Right. And it was when Meilin took me to a Hirouki-Sawono concert.

So we go to this Hiro yuki-Sahono concert and it's not the type of concert you think it's gonna be, right? When I heard Hiro yuki-Sahua-o concert, I'm like, big bass, big drums. This is gonna be in your face. No, he was like at this really, really posh jazz bar. Oh. And it wasn't, I wouldn't even call it a concert because everyone had like, everyone had like tables

and like posh little cocktails. And he was just like playing a lot of like acoustic versions of what he was, you know, of a lot of the songs. That's pretty cool. Yeah, of a lot of songs he composed. So it was like, it was more like, it was more like a private jazz bar kind of deal. But it was still fucking amazing.

Yeah, yeah. And so after the concert, Malian like asked me, hey, do you wanna meet him? And I was just like so unprepared. I thought I was just going there to see one of my favorite anime composers. I wasn't, I didn't know,

Madein had like all the fucking contacts that could get me. Which now, now knowing her now, of course she does. But back then, because this was when I had just moved to Japan. And so we go, we go to like the green womb room or whatever. And I'm like waiting outside and I'm just like, holy fuck. Heavy breathing. I'm not just like, I haven't, I haven't emotionally prepared myself.

Like, what am I gonna do? What am I gonna say? And like, the base, like, I was like reciting all like the basic fucking Japanese that I know at the time. To like be like, I just need to say something. I need to say something. And then so he comes out and like, is he Ryukisawa no? Is he Rikisarwana? And then so he'll say, do you want a picture and everything?

And I'm like, yeah, sure, sure, I'll have a picture. So we take the picture and then I was like, I just wanted to say, in my mind I wanted to say, oh thank you very much for like your work and everything you've done. Didn't fucking say anything. And so he like after the picture, I'm just staring at him like this and he looks up

and he looks at Meilin and then he just like, was that it? Okay, I'm just gonna go back now. And then he goes back to the green room and I'm just like, oh fuck I was that guy. Oh, no. Oh, my God. That's the thing though, right?

It's like now that I've experienced that moment, I don't blame anybody who does that to like me or like their favorite person, right? Exactly, exactly. I get it. I completely understand how it feels now. Like everything you recite in your head just goes out the fucking window.

Yeah. I've never had that. Really? Never? No, really. I'm trying to think who would. Maybe like Iraqi would, I'd be like, oh, yeah.

Oh yeah, of course. But like, that's like maybe it. Like, I don't know, I've, I don't know, like, it's weird. I see people who have maybe like big things and stuff that I like, and I'm just kind of like, that's really cool. Yeah, I should say hi. Like, I was at a con and it was a guy,

Billy West, the guy voices like Frye. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. And like did like some of the loony tunes, like the later ones. Yeah. Like one of the most iconic voice actors, right? And I was like, I mean, I grew up on all that stuff. Yeah.

And I was like, hi man, nice to meet you. We're just like, because he was in the same green room. So we were just talking about stuff, but I was never like, who, who, who. I was just like, oh, this guy's so cool. And I remember his voice and stuff.

I don't know, it's weird. I guess because I don't, in that moment when I see them in person, normally I don't think about that like work. I'm just like, this is another person in front of me. Right. I'm gonna talk to them like that. But maybe if it's like someone, again,

like Iraqi, I'm obsessed with like. Yeah, I think it's also for me, at least, it was like language barrier, because I knew that there was, there was so many things I wanted to say to him. And if you could speak Japanese, I was like, Like either I look like a nervous wreck

or I look like a nervous wreck speaking both broken Japanese. I don't know what's better, man. Yeah, because in English it's like, it's very like, you play like a word game. Like you don't wanna say I'm a fan. Yeah. Especially with other YouTubers, right? And you want to say I'm an admirer because that's just kind of creepy.

I normally say like my go to is yeah, like man, dude, I love your work, man, it's sick. Yeah, I usually say like I appreciate your work. Like I think the one guest I got on immediately well with was the first time I met Kevin Penkin, who was like such a fucking lad. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Yeah, but to be fair,

Yeah, like. He's just an Aussie. Yeah, that's the thing. It's like, if you didn't know who this guy was, you'd be like, oh, it's just another Aussie book. No, he totally is. There's like this mutual, like, understanding that I feel like British people

and Australian people have when they like meet. It's like, we're gonna get drunk, right? Yeah, we're getting drunk. Oh, sick, we're gonna. As an Americans, I feel like, there's a lot more like juggling involved. Yeah. So are you drinking?

Do you drink? Do you drink? Do you like, how much do you drink? Do you like party and everything like that? Yeah, because like, have you met a ton of Americans that just don't drink? Yeah. And you can never tell, right?

It makes us sound like alcoholics. I'm like, no, we have to drink. No, we are alcoholics. Yeah, in a sense, in a sense. It's ingrained in our culture where if I meet like a fellow Brit or Nazi, it's just, right? It's just like, I'm having, like, I'm having some drinks later. You want to join.

It's not even like, it's just an assumption that they will join. We're one step away, in like Britain and Australia, we're one step away from the point of, if you don't drink, we're gonna bully you. It's like, it's that ingrained in our culture. Whereas whenever I meet someone American, like an American guest or someone,

or something and I wanna get to know them better, I'm like, what's the best way to approach this? Do I ask them out for like lunch or? I don't wanna get some drinks. Pub? Pub? Not pub? No pub. Drinks is way more open-ended.

Yeah, there isn't that same assumption that you're just gonna go out for drinks afterwards and just like bond over a pint or something. Yeah, I feel like if we hang out in the UK during the day and we haven't really said anything, it's just like, we're getting drinks later, right? Yeah, yeah. Like if you ever a guest on the podcast,

probably gonna get drinks after. Yeah, we have every single time. We did it with Chris, we did it with Carl. Yeah, exactly. Who are like, who would you say is the, well, it doesn't have to be one person, but who would you say is the coolest person you've met? Like as a fan or as an admirer of that person,

like who would you say, if someone, if I asked you, who is the coolest person you've met? I mean, in the anime industry, it'd probably be here, Yuki-Sawa for me, because I've been a big fan of his work for like, you know, I'm gonna say Kevin Pink. Yeah, Kevin, Kevin knows he's a boy, man.

Kevin shut the fuck out. Kevin's like, you're, I'm not your favorite composer. No, because like, it's great, right, because I remember the first time we met Kevin and we got like pissed together. And he starts talking about how, like, his, like, how he composed for like, made in the Biss and his process for everything like that.

And he starts talking about this really, like, technical composition, like, talk. And I'm like, man, this is really fucking interesting. Yeah. This is like, like a lot of people would love to hear this. This is like a really interesting conversation, but we were like pretty hammered at that thing, right? And so I remember making a mental note being like,

man, I gotta, I gotta hear this again sober because this is like some really interesting stuff. In your head, you were like, wow, this is really interesting, but what came out was shut up, Pink. Shut up, Kevin. So like the day afterwards, the day afterwards at Crunchy Oil Expo,

I'm like, man, so what are you saying about composing like that scene with meaty and like all that stuff? Can you just repeat what you say, because that was like super interesting. Kevin just goes, nah man, I have no idea what the fuck I was saying. I was fucking pissed, mate. Oh my God, I fucking love him.

I love him so much. He was so, oh man, because I remember the first time I met him, IRO was when we all went. Yeah, yeah, yeah. And you know, the moment I saw him at that, you know, at the pub, I was like, oh shit, that's Kevin Pankin. But then the moment he opened his mouth up, He went from Kevin Peng into, oh, look, an Aussie.

Yeah, I know. Like, the moment I knew that it was gonna be, like, fine, we were all gonna get on. It was like, I sat down, he's like, right, I'm gonna get around then. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Fantastic, okay, and if you know what our round is, in the UK and Australia, we have this thing where,

I think it's a way to, like, trap you into having at least like seven drinks. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Basically, it's a system where, and it's probably sounds like hell too, like, socially-hand-shu- Yeah. It's basically like, if there's like four or five of you, someone buys the round,

which means that they buy all the drinks for everyone, and then you kind of rotate who does it. But obviously you can't just then have one. You have to go through the whole cycle. Yeah, because you don't wanna be that guy who doesn't pay for their round. You don't wanna you know you're the stingy one. You don't wanna be in debt with anyone.

So you're getting at least as many rounds as there are people on the table. Yeah, exactly. That's just like how, that's just how the drinking culture works. It's such a horrible social trap because when you think about it, like in terms of the amount of money you spend, it's literally net zero, right? if you make it through the entire round,

but for some reason, you're just, you're locked into this until the round is completely over. I feel like whenever I've tried to get Americans to do this, are like, no, that sounds stupid, why would we do that? Yeah. It's a social thing, just try, right? Just try it's like, it's like, yeah, why would I not- It's a way to get everyone drunk.

Yeah, but it's just a way to get everyone drunk and everyone's social, because like, you're all in this together, right? The moment you sit down, you are in the cold. You cannot leave. Yeah. So like Kevin, we're just fucking, okay, I'm gonna, this is just a 10 minute.

This is a 10 minute Kevin rant. Like if you hang out with Kevin, he has a thing called Oolong Hai or Oolong die. And Oolong Hai is just like the worst fucking drink with, that gives you the worst hangovers because it's like whiskey and Oolong, right? Yeah, basically. Or something like that.

Or is it Sochu and Ulong? Yeah, it's Shogu and it's Shogu. It's Shodoo, yeah. Some fucking disgusting, yeah. And, um, and, like he orders this every time. And I did not know that you could order, like, Oolong High by the jug in karaoke places,

but he found a way to order it by the jug in karaoke places. It's like, you want to Oolong hi, right? I'll try it, I guess. Two jugs come in. I'm like, Kevin, this isn't too. What kind of sample size is this? Like, what the fuck?

God damn. That is the most Australian fucking, like, phrase for the Oolong die or Oolong die. My God. Yeah, and then this is one other time when I went to fucking Yaki Nikiwood, Kevin. Yeah. And it was like, all you can eat as well.

Yeah. Right? So, so Kevin took all you can eat as he takes the menu and he orders two of everything of the menu. Oh my God. Because he was just that hungry. So much disgusting stuff as well. Yeah, yeah. Yeah. And just like the food kept turning up and it was like, and he didn't tell everyone that he was ordering this much food.

Right. So we would finish this and we were like, it was like that scene in seven. where the guy over feeds like the first like sloth guy and like to like kill him. That's what it felt like. I don't see the reference going. Yeah. Like because you were just eating food

and you were like, your stomach was already like expanded beyond like, it like felt like my stomach was fucking Jupiter or something. That's how expanded it was. And then as soon as we finish, another round of fucking Yaki Nuku comes. I look at Connor, we're like, why did we sign ourselves up for this? Yeah, we made him like tell the kitchen like,

Like stop, like stop the order. We take it back, like fuck, go back. Like, it's awful. Yeah, well, we can't wait to have Kevin on the show. If you couldn't already tell. What was the original question again? The original question was, who is the coolest person you've met? And then it went to a 10 minute Kevin Pinkin appreciation post.

I feel like when you meet, like, celebrities or whatever in the right environment, like, it normally results in, like, really positive. Like, if you're in the green moon with someone, that normally, Obviously not everyone can get in the green room sadly. Right, yeah. But if they're in a place where they're like comfortable and talk to them, I find like most people you speak to are really fucking cool.

That's true. Most, most. I mean, I've met plenty of guests who have been like yikes. Yeah, yeah. At conventions. Yeah, we'll go into that. Yeah, well, we should leave them unnamed. Yeah.

I don't want to get called out. Because at one time I punched that kid, I really don't want that getting out. One time punched that guest. Yeah. Dude, some of the stuff I've seen guests do you're like, holy shit, they're confident doing that in front

of like eight other guests. Jesus Christ. Yeah, I've seen, I've seen guests that have made like, because at Conj, you get like handlers. I've seen them like make their handlers cry over like nothing. Yeah, we're all just sitting there in the room like, okay. Because I'm just sitting at being like,

I don't even know what to do with my handle. I don't even know where my handle is. Yeah, I tell them, I'm like, listen, I'm fine. Yeah, yeah. Maybe I'll need a coffee at some point over this week. I feel bad asking you to do that. Yeah, yeah. I don't know, I feel like one guest who,

and this is probably gonna be like, so like, of course, come. Like I, so when I was doing like, obviously Sebastian stuff for so long, right? Yeah, yeah, yeah. Okay, no, because like I felt like I learned so much, right? So I was copying Jay and Michael Tatum's Sebastian in for so fucking long, right?

And I was so worried when I met him, because I was like, I'm literally, like, made my career at that point. Yeah, yeah, of just copying it to me, right? Which could have gone either way. You thought it could have been like, the Spider-Man meme, like.

It could have been like, I fucking hate what you're doing, why are you copying me, stop doing that, or it could have been like, who are you? Or it could have been like, oh, nice, I guess. I didn't expect, I don't know what I expected and when I met him, he was super fucking nice. He was like, oh, you're that fucking guy,

like jokingly. Yeah, yeah, yeah. And I was like, oh, yeah, he's cool about it. And yeah, he invited me for drinks and stuff and we met and, yeah, one thing I learned from him is that like he is amazing at handling, like the fans that come to him. Not really.

And just getting to sit next to him and watch him like talk to them and like he just immediately like changed his like atmosphere based on who he saw who was coming near him. Yeah, yeah. Like he just read people like immediately. And so start trying to like copy doing that and like it was like rough at the start.

But I feel like I've learned so much from him and just how to compose yourself. How'd just be nice to people? So not just such an ass-hast. So not only did you copy his voice but you copied the way that you had. Yeah, yeah. Like he was so willing to like like help me out

and teach me things and he also like. It was like training you up like a prodigy. Yeah, yeah. Like there was a con that I like wasn't going to go to and he personally like vouched on my behalf and say this guy's good. He was like you need to get him and like really nice guy. Him and his husband Brandon are both.

Some of the nicest voice actors. I mean yeah, I was just about to say like the way that Brandon and I kind of met online was a little like. Are you shitting on voice actors? Yeah, no, no, no, not really. It was like to give context, I've never met Brandon IRL yet,

but we follow each other on Twitter and we've talked like, one of the nicest dudes. Such a nice guy. Such a nice guy, such an, like, and I can immediately tell, incredibly intelligent. He's not getting TikTok famous as well. Yeah, yeah, I saw, I saw. But I did this video, I think it was sometime this year,

it was early this year where I asked my fans on Twitter to send me videos of them speaking in Japanese or asking questions about Japanese and then I respond or like answer their question or whatever. And one of the videos was Brandon. And he was speaking in the most perfect Japanese I've ever heard. Like his Japanese is actually perfect. Yeah.

Yeah. And in the video, he said, he basically asked like, So I've seen videos of you in the past kind of shitting on dubs. So he's a, so Michael and his husband are both. They're both dub voice actors. Yeah, they're both dove voice actors. And Brandon used to be a professional translator. Yeah, he was.

So hence why he's Japanese is so good. Yeah. But in the video, in full Japanese, you know, very, very professional Japanese. He's like, so you've kind of been talking ill-heartedly about dubs and dub voice actors. So as a translator, I want to know, like, what is the best, like, what is a solution to that? And immediately, in the video, you can see,

immediately I was just like, I'm so sorry. He had like that, Brandon at that like, shit-eating grin of like, I've completely won here. Yeah, yeah, yeah. He's like, I have taken the w now you must hand it to me. I remember when I saw that on Twitter, I was like, good, Joey, you have to admit the dubs are good now.

Yeah. So basically in the video, I was just like, listen, like it's not the voice actors usually, it's the voice directors, you know, I did that whole spiel. And luckily he was really, really cool about it. And, you know, because he said it in such a nice fashion as well to me, he, you know, I couldn't help, but just being like, okay, you know what, I'll give you that one.

You drop this king, like, I'll give it to you, all right. Yeah, but, yeah, he's, dude, like, I'd love to meet him my role. Oh, yeah, that both. Super nice guys. And I mean the reason why I speak so highly of them is just because they've just been so nice to me and so welcoming. Honestly, every dub voice actor I've interacted with,

either IRL or not IRL, has been really, really nice to me. Considering the fact that I had supposedly shit talked a lot of dumb voice actors. I haven't been shit talking the voice actors, okay? Just the product. Just the dub. You're just trying to deflect the blame. Please.

I like you, deflect, deflect. I like you guys. It's the director's fault. Meets a director. It was the production team. Yeah, it was the production. It was the audio software. It was Adobe.

It was no one's fault. You just had a crunch time. Yeah, I was deaf in one ear, clearly. I remember I was still bitter for like two years that you said like the watching Bacchaner subbed is better than dubbed. I was like, what? Were you chatting out of your ass?

I mean, I still stand by our point. You're chatting out of your ass, man. Look, I'll say that it's better, but I'm not saying that the dub is bad. The dub is good. The dub's better. It's better. It's just better.

Nah. Would you like, like, Like, I just, what? No, it's just like, it's good, but it's not better. It's like one of the few dubs that are, you know, I mean, sorry, one of the few shows that are better experience in dubs, just because of the setting and like.

The reason why most anime are better in Japanese is because most of the time, like the setting matches Japanese, but in Bacchner, it's like, it's in fucking 1930s America. We need to have these Americans. In my opinion, there is only one anime where the dub is far superior than the sob, and that's Pany and stalking. I mean, yeah,

Yeah, right. But that's obviously because it doesn't even look like an anime. I think, at least for the notable ones, Panty and Stalking, Bacchano and Cowboy Bacobb. Yeah, of course. Yeah, of course. But Bacchano is like, I watched the sub and I'm like, this is shit.

No, listen, it's shit. It's not shit. It is a shittier experience compared to the Dund. It is not shit. I'm not saying that the Baccahonda is bad. Going from Bacchano Dub to sub is like, when you have like the premium triple ply wipes at home and you go to the fucking restroom

in like public and it's like, the sandpaper, it's not that bad. They're all, it's like 1930s Japan and they're all like Kauaii, like some of the characters, and it's like, shut the fuck up. Sound American, you're in 1930s America, sound America, bitch. I don't know, man, like look, look, listen, to me,

we need to have you forcibly sit you down and watch the dub. I've seen the dub. How much have you seen it the dub? I've seen it all. Bullshit. Yes, I have. No way, no way for something.

But kind of my fucking favorite anime. Of course I've seen the dub. And also because you would shut the fuck up about the dump. So I'm like, all right, fine. I'll listen to the fucking dub. Until I watch you watching the dub. I wanna sit behind you being like, Joey appreciate this part.

I'll do a reaction video. Daddy, please stop fighting. I'll do a reaction video to me watching the dub and then you can do a reaction video to my reaction video. All right, how's that? You think any, okay, here's another question. Can we just get on?

Can we just get on please? Okay, can you name any of the characters that you think are better in the sub than the dub? Like which ones do you think are, or like, is there any dub characters in it? It's not particular characters. It's just overall because maybe it's because I did watch the sub first. I don't know.

Maybe if I watched the dub first might be completely different. I don't know, like Lad Rousseau is like one of my favorite dub performances of all time. Yeah, it's like of all time. No, of course. Lad Rousseau is fucking incredible. Yeah, and he's good in sub, but like, I don't know. I mean, I don't know, maybe it's because I understand the language.

It hit different. I'm just, if you, okay. I'm just saying maybe it's because I understand. I understand the language and I understand the small little inflections that might go over a lot of people's heads that I appreciate the sub a lot more than most people. I mean you just, okay, even just like, give me like two second sample of the voices.

When you listen to like the gravel in Lad's English voice in Bacca, I know, it's like, god damn. Okay, but hold on, from your logic, right? You've only brought up Ladd. Yeah, okay, well, I think Isaac and Miriam are also better. I think Isaac and Mirren sound the fucking same. No, it's fucking a Japanese is voiced by Crean. from Sonic and it sounds like cream from Sonic.

And it doesn't sound right at all. And also in the sub- Okay, but hold on a second. If that voice actor didn't do cream from Sonic, then maybe you'd be like, okay, this is actually pretty good. Maybe it's all because you only hear cream from fucking Sonic the Hedgehog. To anyone that hasn't watched this,

you don't need to have watched it. But again, and also in the dub, they cut out a lot of the reaction noises, like, huh, huh, or like a bunch of them, which is fucking fantastic, because I think it doesn't suit back. having the, and fucking Miriam sounds like fucking cream the fucking, what's the rabbit, that's it,

nutting every two seconds. And she says, Sugoy every two seconds, it is so grating seeing an American 1930s person going with a Tommy gun going, sugoi. It's so weird. I hate it. I don't mind it because it's fucking anime. I, I, what does you say one of the episodes?

It's just cartoons, bro. Yeah, it's just the Japanese cartoon, bro. Chill the fuck out. We all know that some, Someone has to get angry and I'll do it. Oh my God, of course. Every time, dude. Every anime has to have that one faction of a toxic city, right?

I thought I cared about the Bacchonodagh, and then I realized, man, maybe I don't care about the Bacchon. No, I really don't. I really don't. I just think, you know, scientifically speaking, it's better. It's a Chinese cartoon voiced in English. Chinese! Just chill out, dude.

Chinese! This man, this went off. Oh my God, God. What are we talking about? I don't even know. Voice acting. Oh, yeah, we're talking about, No, no, we were talking about our favorite people

that we're talking about. Not that that matters. Where do we do this every time? It's okay. Tangents are a healthy part of conversation. Not when it goes over to like, how did it go from fucking, oh yes, I love J. Michael Tatum to fucking cream

from Sonic the Hitchog. I felt like I could have just gone for like a toilet break and just let you guys duke it out like the last one minutes. Yeah, you could have. I would have come out on top. I'm just passionate, you know. I just care about the things that I care,

which is not many things. What's the meme on the subred where it's like I love how Connor interjects with an opinion and thinks he's always right. Hey man, someone. And doesn't let anyone else talk about it. I fucking hate when I listen to a podcast, when it's like three people who are like,

oh yeah, I guess you have a point. Yeah, I guess I can understand where you're, I want someone who's like, fuck you, you're wrong. And it turns out that that person is completely in the wrong right one, they're like, I don't give a shit. It doesn't matter, that's last episode. So what you're saying is you're playing the, you're playing the antagonist again.

You're playing the antagonist again. Okay, listen, right. I don't give a fuck. And if I'm in the moment, I'm gonna say what I say with full confidence and I'll go home later that day and I'll be like, I think I was actually wrong actually. Yeah, well, we've recorded it.

Big regret. Because I've talked to you enough times to know that you do that so many fucking times on the podcast as well. So I'm just like, you know what? Sometimes I'll just lay him out of the candy and just let him realize. Sometimes you do it on the same day.

You're like, we would have a conversation in like the afternoon and then as we're having drinks on that, you'd be like, now that I think about it. I might have been talking out of my ass. I'll totally realize later on, I'm like, yeah, yeah, I was actually completely in the wrong in that point.

Yeah, yeah, yeah. You know, I'm glad that I said it with confidence at least. I mean, look, the bottom line is don't take what we say all that seriously, right? Take it with a grain of soul. This is just three boys just having a fucking laugh. Yeah, I got so, we're not like, I don't know, we're not like an authority or anything like that.

No, I see a lot of people who comment being like, I can't believe they misquoted something or I can't believe they spread misinformation. And it's like, no, this is just three boys having a conversation that we would have, This is exactly how we talk off camera. And I'm sure you have conversations with your friends all the time where you sort absolutely shit

out of your ass, right? Exactly. So if we say anything that's incorrect, if I'm actually confident about it, don't take that. In other words, don't ever take us seriously. Yeah, I mean, okay, if I am talking about something that I am clearly like knowledgeable about,

like if I'm talking about voice acting or saying where I know my shit, right, okay, fine, you can take me my opinion on it seriously. But just like, take what we say with a grain of soul. Sometimes we don't know what we're talking about. And I don't think there's anything wrong with that because a lot of people don't know what the fuck they're talking about.

And how we learn is how we sometimes we say stupid shit. Yeah, all yeah, all the time. And luckily we have, you know, you guys to very nicely remind us in the comments how wrong we are. I know that it's not something that we've Taylor, you know, really sat there and thought,

ooh, is that the correct thing to say? We've done enough research. Hold on guys, let me check Wikipedia real quick. I'm talking out of my ass. And sometimes I'll say shit that it's just like completely wrong. And that's okay. And we know, and it's hilarious. Yeah, we just wanna preface that if we do say something,

sure, you can believe us, but it should probably, you know, if you really wanna like take our word for it, maybe check on your own as well. Don't, don't like quote us in any thesis or anything like that. Yeah, exactly. Because this is not the type of show. I mean, half the episodes we have alcohol, you know what I mean?

It's probably. That says a lot. Would you trust an opinion of someone on the bar being like, no, no, the engineering is structurally sound to cocktail. Yeah, it's great. You know, like, this is why we have guests on,

who can actually know, have like, a knowledgeable in situations where we are, where we're not just like talking out of our ass and we were, like, put us in our place. Yeah, put us in our place, basically. I mean, normally when we're talking off camera, we might pull out our phone and be like, no, Connor, you're actually wrong.

Yeah. And then I'll double down and be like, no, I don't trust that sort. I don't care. I don't care what Wikipedia has to say. I think I'm right, therefore I am. Facts and opinion. I know some people, sorry.

I know some people hate that, like, I'll be like, no, fuck you anyway, but I, I find a fucking hilarious because. At the end of the day, as much of it, it's, it's a dichotomy, right? Because we, this is a show, but at the same time, it's like, to us, it's kind of not a show, it's like we just,

we just talk, right? But we are putting on a show, but we talk like this, the exact same way of show. I don't feel like we act any differently off camera. No, no, no, no, no. We just have a microphone in our face, that's the difference, right? Like, and cameras on us.

I care about my angle. Okay, no. No, sometimes I purposely lead Connor on with the shit that he's saying, because it's like weirdly heartwarming, you know? It's like, it's kind of the same feeling as like me being a dad and my five-year-old, you know, trying to convince me that Santa Claus is real.

You know, just like, all right, yeah. Oh, oh, he comes down the chimney, does he? I'm more than happy to waste my energy and shouting at you. Oh, he comes down the chimney? Oh, okay. Cookies and milk? Okay, okay. I see, I see.

Tell me more, please. man leading me on. Yeah, but what the fuck were we talking about? Oh yeah, people we like to meet. Yeah. Yeah. What about other stuff that we do? What do you mean?

We did have a topic in mind. We did have a topic in mind before we moved on to this, anyway. We should probably break into it, because we're getting close to the hour mark, right? Yeah, okay. We discussed beforehand that because we have the lost episode, which is probably gonna go down

in history as some kind of fabled legend. Yeah, people would be like, what was that? It's actually a shame, because I thought it was genuinely a fucking It was a great episode. So I'm sure we mentioned it another episode. We recorded an episode and for some reason the audio stopped recording 10 minutes in.

So completely unusable and I, we refused to use the camera audio. It sounds like shit. It sounded like dog shit and I'm just like, we got, we don't even wanna make it, this a Patreon exclusive. We now have a system in place where the audio is fine. So they don't happen, but we spoke about

fandoms that we are, aren't too fond of. And I know this is gonna be like, everyone's like, everyone's getting their mind Which, what am I a fandom of? Not like that, not just openly shitting on fandoms. Although there was some of that. We are gonna, yeah, we are going to. I like how we made, I like how we made the previous segment

like perfectly, perfectly segue into this segment where we're just gonna shit on everything. And so what are we gonna talk about after talking about the people we love? Oh yeah, the people we fucking hate. Listen, I know that fandoms in general are not, you know, represented by the minority annoyance that is in the fourth time. Yes, of course. It is the vocal minority that are probably

what we are talking about. This is just us joshing around and chat. This is what we see, right? This is just what we see. So Dragon Ball fans, don't get offended, okay? Oh no? If you like Dragon Ball, you are the worst. What are you doing?

Why are you a dragon? Up here. As a monkey brain, I should be a giant fan of Dragon. No, I'm not kidding. Okay, no. Okay, I'll start with you. with Dragon Ball fandom scares me the most out of any fandom.

Because why is that? Maybe it's because I understand the Jojo fandom and I'm in the, you know, behind the scenes. Which is, we'll get to the Jojo fan. Yeah, we'll get to that. We'll get to that, right, because I'm sure everyone's gonna be thinking that immediately. But like the Dragon Ball fandom is like,

like I feel like it's so separate from every other anime fandom. Yeah. Whereas Jojo fans, normally watch a bit of anime, yeah, okay, they're a bit annoying and whatever. But Dragon Ball fans, I, like, I feel like a ton of them only watch Dragon Ball. Yeah, what do you mean seasonal anime?

There's no Dragon Ball in that season. Do you mean seasonal new season of Dragon Ball? Reruns of Dragon Ball Z? Like, okay, I mean, this is just like outside looking in, so I'm sure we're chatting out of our ass half the time, but like, my God, are they aggressive online about like, and also the YouTube scene scares me so much. The Dragon Ball YouTubers are...

I just had a flashback to that. thumbnail. You have to explain that. You have to explain that. So I was on Twitter. Peak content on YouTube. Oh my God. I'm pretty sure it's like parody.

And if it's not, it's parody. I hope it is. No matter what it's parody, because I either laugh because it is parody or I laugh because it's not parody. Yeah, I follow like Justin Wang on Twitter. And he's the guy who talks about like internet law. And he retweets the most fucking cursed shit. And so it was just a thumbnail.

And it was like, what? would happen, it was like, what if Vegeta got coronavirus, was tested coronavirus positive? And I was like, this can't be real. Like it was just a thumbnail. So I searched it and it was a two part series of what if Vegeta got the coronavirus?

And I was like, what? What was the other part? It was part two, part two, I didn't watch it, but there was another one where it was like, what if Goku tested HIV positive? And I was like, what is Dragon Ball YouTube? What is this? I only watched the first five minutes

and I was pretty sure it's parody. I couldn't tell, but it was very like dry delivery. Right. I need to watch the rest of it. That'll probably get a nice, I need to watch that video. Yeah, because the thing about the Dragon Ball fandom is that it feels like the Dragon Ball fandom, I mean, you can be obviously a Dragon Ball fan

and an anime fan, but I feel like there are just as many Dragon Ball fans who are just Dragon Ball and they like watch nothing else but Dragon Ball. It's kind of like being like an MCU fan, you know what I mean? Yeah. It's weird because like the Dragon Ball videos, like I'm just going based off like what I've seen on YouTube. It's pure anecdotal stuff.

Those Dragon Ball videos come out as often, if not more often than most anime YouTube videos and get more views or the same views. And so that must mean, right, that like the, like again, this is just me like fucking like aliens. Like surely the fandom is fucking gigantic. It has to be. And like, I don't know, man.

Or it's like a really small group of super dedicated people who are like, I need to watch this for the 20th And people are so into it, man. There's, I don't understand the videos that are like, what if Vegeta thought a fucking Luffy? And I'm like, what is that? Who gives a shit?

I mean, that's going from like Dragon Ball fandom to like Shonen fandom as a whole. Which also like, exists in its own little bubble. Yeah, yeah, yeah. But it's not just Shonen fandom, right? It's Shonen action fandom. Yeah, it's not like the Shonen romance fandom or the Shonham Harem farron.

because there's like lots of different types of Shonen, right? It's specifically Shonen battle, like power fantasy battle harum. You know what I mean? Like that whole fandom, right? Like that's all it. So it's like it's the Naruto's, the Bleach, it's the One Piece. Although I feel One Piece is kind of separate from everything. It's like one piece is separate,

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I do wanna talk about that later. We'll get into seven deadly sins. I'm just gonna go through all the fucking shonen's all here. Right. Dragon Ball Twitter is the fucking, every time I see, every time I see a shitty take starting off strong. You just see the dumbest fucking take.

It's always from a fucking Dragon Ball amateur or like someone who like just tweets about Dragon Ball. Yeah. Cause I remember seeing like so many shitty twakes. Like I remember seeing this one one tweet that was like talking about like how like Vegeta was like the greatest anti-hero ever written in anime or something like that.

Like the common thread was like more hilarious than the take itself. And I think my favorite meme was just like Goku going super-sayan and he was just like at the top text was like, don't fuck with Dragon Balls fans. And the Botanx was, we only know one anime. It's true though.

What is it about Dragon Ball fans that only watch Dragon Ball? Like everything they consume, it's like, you know they're a Dragon Ball fan when they're like, but Gitti wasn't that bad. Was it? Like, did you see the tweet that was like,

you know, Goku didn't protest. And it's like, pretty serious? Yeah, it was like, Vigita. didn't protest, they just got it done. And I was like, oh my God, read the room, man. Read the room.

It was so funny. The replies were like, bro, it's anime. Yeah, it's like, they're fucking delusional, man. Oh my God, what is it? Like I've always wanted to know, right? Because I don't personally know anyone who's in that fandom. But I've always been interested in meeting someone,

IRL who's in that fandom. Because I just have so many people. No, no, no, no. You'll know, because they're the fucking loudest ones at the convention. They're the other ones in the corner playing like fucking charging up. Trying to be super sane. If you ever hear someone,

you know who they are. Yeah. But like I've always just wanted to ask them being like, why? Like why? No, it's like that meme of the fucking, the woman in the car's like, why are you like this? Yeah, why do you like this?

Like what, like, what, who condition you to be like, there's so much good anime out there. I'm aware, yes, one piece, I am aware of that show. Narito Bleach, I'm aware of all this. But no, Goku is my babe. And I will only follow his story. It's so weird, right? Because it's like, I mean, what I see in the Shonen fandom

is like everything is like a dick measuring contest. Like, you got a fucking simp for your fucking characters and you're gonna defend them no matter what. Like it's, like, I don't understand, like, I guarantee, compared to like some of these Dragon Ball fans, like, dude, I don't even think Toriyama is as big of a Dragon Ball fan As fucking Dragon Ball fans, you know? Like, at least Toriyama was like,

I mean, I got Dragon Ball, but like, I got Dragon Quest as well, you know, like I got all these other things. Meanwhile, Dragon Ball fans are like, Toriyama, God, I love you. Do more Dragon Wolf, please. Too bad, that's like me with Jojo. I mean, do more, do more of that.

Yeah, but at least Iraqis only done, Joe. I'm not shouting about it all the time. Yeah, of course. I'm just like secretly thinking. Are you sure about that? Are you sure about that? Not all the time. Are you sure about that?

Gentlemen, it's not all this. So when, We'll get into that. We'll get into that. We'll get into Jojo and we'll talk about that. I got some shit to say, but no, like sticking with like the Dragon Ball and Shonen fandom, to me it feels like the fucking ghetto, right?

Because- The ghetto of the anime- They're like, it feels like like they're constantly having gang wars at each other and you're just sitting here watching this like, take place on Twitter. You're like the suburban white couple. No, no, no.

I don't- The suburban white couple going into the ghetto and they're just like, You don't belong here, do you? I'm just watching this like feud go on on Twitter being like, Luffy would beat, live would be fucking Goku in a fight

or something like this year. Meanwhile, One Piece fans are like, cool, I guess? Like, I don't fucking care. Like, why do you care? Why does the Dragon Ball fan base want to give Goku like this amazing KD ratio of other anime fans? I just had this amazing flashback.

You remember the time when One Punch man came out. Yeah. Like for some fucking reason, there was so many videos of like, who will win? Goku or Saitama, yeah, yeah. And like, if you dare say an opinion, it's like, get ready to get fucking destroyed

by either Fango. No, what was even worse than that was, did you, do you remember when like death battle did Goku versus Superman? Oh my God. And that got so toxic that they had to redo it to give the same results. Imagine being like caring that much

about some fictional fan fight. Like, this is literally like four writers in the room who are like, I think Goku would win. And people are like, I can't believe it. I can't make sense of this. My day is ruined. Do they even watch the show? You would know if you saw the size of Goku's nipples

that there is no way he would lose in a fight. It's not possible. It's like it's insane. It's actually insane. Like I don't understand because I've never cared that much about something in my life. No, like I, I, I have been in like university,

I've had my YouTube channel completely demonetized. That's all my income. I cared less about that. I mean, I cared a lot. I was, you know, I didn't wanna go broke. What's one thing though about the Dragon Ball fan base that I, like, I'm pretty sure I'm quite correct on and just shocks me is that I guarantee

that 99% of like hardcore Dragon Ball fans probably didn't even watch the first Dragon Ball. They started from Z. That's a controversial take, Joe. I guarantee. That's an assumption, Joey. It's an assumption, but I'm willing to bet on it.

Every Dragon Ball fan is now gonna come up and be like, excuse me, I've watched it. I've watched it. Yeah, yeah, yeah. I mean, if you have, good on you, but it is. I'm gonna say something that is completely no basis whatsoever. Go on. I think the Dragon Ball fans

are one bad day away from being furries. There I said it, okay. There, I said it, okay? I think they are. I think they act in the same way that furies do in sometimes, you know, there. I mean, isn't it isn't go-co or monkeys? Yeah.

As somebody who was a very angry child, I know exactly where that anger's coming from. I know where it's coming from, you know. It's a, I'm about to jump into the pit. I'm just saying, man, they, that one bad forum click away, man. That's not like, that one bad YouTube recommendation away from like falling down in that rabbit hole. You're wicked to get fucking destroyed this episode.

Oh my God. Good thing we're fucking drunk. Yeah, I know. Wait, what you mean gone? I have like four sips, so. Just take six quickly. It's gonna get worse the more like the more we drink. I think that my parents didn't love me as much

as the fans love Goku. I'll be honest, all right. I don't know what that says about my parents. No, your parents loved you fine, I'm sure. My parents would not defend me on a comment section. No, very aggressively. They'd be like, this is on you, Connor. I just imagine now like, what if Goku was an actual person

and he just saw all these comments? What if Goku? Has Goku committed war crimes? Yeah. Do we know if Goku's going, would they defend Goku? I mean, we know what would happen if it was HIV positive, right? But we don't know what would happen. I think it's great that Goku is advocating for HIV awareness.

I think that's great, you know. I don't know if that's in the agenda. I have to start a parody series now, where I just go through every shonen protagonist and just go into hypothetical situations if they were HIV positive. What if Saita had, uh, Ciphyllus?

Is it like that? Would you say someone to be able to punch syphilis? Yeah, would he be able to punch the syphilis off his dick? I don't know. I mean, okay, I love to clown on Dragon Ball fans because they are like the brick wall of opinions. Yeah. It's like, it doesn't matter what you say.

It's just like, we can't take you seriously. I mean, it's because most of the time they're arguing a point that can't be like proved anyway. It's all like, it's all like situational. Because who cares about power levels? Because you can't really argue about power levels. unless you watch death battle, you know, and people still disagree with that shit.

Yeah, even there's no basis. Even if you put science into it, people are gonna like rep the shit no matter what, you know what I mean. Exactly. It's like a fucking religion, you know. It is a religion. Yeah, no, it's a cult.

It's the cult of Dragon Ball. That's exactly what it feels like. Dragon Ball fans watching this be like, shit. Shit, they're on course. Like, I, it's just a level of excitement that I've never felt for, or like, passion that I've never felt for anything. I don't know if that means that I'm lacking

something in my life, but then I see how passionate they are. And I'm like, I'm kind of glad that I have hobbies. Yeah. Other than Dragon Ball. I'm glad I have other things that I can put my time in energy. They're gonna be like, go read gay porn, Connor. Yeah, yeah, exactly. I don't know.

How many burns can we get on like one episode, right? Like, don't get me wrong. Like, I'm sure all three of us love Dragon Ball, right? Like, we grew up with that shit. Of course, it's fucking epic. But we like other things. Oh, wait, no, I never grew up on it. Oh, you did it?

No, because I was always so fucking confused at what was happening. Oh, yeah, that's right. Yeah, yeah, yeah. When I was, when I was confused, when I was, when I was a kid, when I would watch a fight, and then the next episode was them, like,

before the fight. Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. It was completely out of order, so I was like, I don't wanna watch, you know, but I mean, like, but I mean, you know, it is a very inoffensive show, right? Like, it's hard to hate Dragon Ball. Okay.

I feel. Okay, like, I love the charm of Dragon Ball. And I love the mainstream, like, everyone knows Dragon Ball. Yeah. And dude, when you're listening to a rap song and you hear like a Dragon Ball reference as an anime fan, you're like, what? Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, exactly. You said Krillin. I don't even know who that is, but that's cool.

Because what I don't understand is like how a Dragon Ball is still, I guess, as loved as it is, because, you know. It's got such a huge, like, pop and, like, mainstream references. Because like, I love Dragon Ball Z, but my God, I could not watch Dragon Ball Z today. No. No, no way. aged well at all in terms of the pacing and everything. And I remember trying to watch like the newest Dragon Balls

and I can't even remember the fucking name. What's the new Dragon Ball? Super, that was it. And I remember trying to watch like an arc or two and it was just exactly the same as Dragon Ball Z. It was like slightly faster pace. It was just clean a line art. Yeah.

But like my God, like I don't know how this, how there are still so many passionate fans. Whereas like Naruto fans, they saw Borotone. And like, fuck that shit. Morato fucking sucks. Yeah, exactly. Dragon Ball fans are here, repping Dragon Ball Super, where I think it's an okay show,

you know, and that's- You're gonna get flames for that, I wonder. How dare he just say it was okay. It was okay. I mean, I feel like Dragon Ball is a fandom that is just like, where the creators are just like, I guess just give them the same thing again, slightly different.

Goku is blue hair now. Is that correct? Am I saying that? He can go super-same black now as well. Yeah, is that the clip where they say, don't shoot, he's the black. He's the strongest in the universe now. How can we up that up?

Multiverse. Yeah, multiverse, yeah. Let's have a tournament arc, but we get the Lord of each universe to fight. And then they become, I'm pretty sure, that's, if I'm wrong, I'm sorry, by way. It sounds really fucking cool on paper. Yeah, but it's the reason why I think God of High School

is kind of met. It's like, it's all just like a dick measuring contest, like you said, and after a certain point, you're like, damn, rent-a-girlfriend's story is kind of good though. Yeah. Like, you know what I mean? Like, you kind of just need something more.

Right, right. It needs more white. I don't even, wifu, it's just some substance. And I'm sure the fans will argue it does, but for me it just does it. And I'm sorry Dragon Ball fans that I'm openly shitting on you. Yeah, that's what you're into, I get it, dude.

I'm into some weird shit too. I like, he's not sorry. I like Dragon Ball as a kid. You can shit on my stuff, it's fine. Dragon Ball was of my fucking childhood. But growing up, I still hold it close to my heart, but I can't watch that shit. You know, it's, it's, it's,

I don't have the patience to go through what I did as a kid, you know? But that's what I find interesting, right? is that like this kind of super, super committed Dragonball fan base, it doesn't exist in Japan. There aren't people today who are like, hyper committed to Dragon Ball or Dragon Ball Super

or anything Dragon Ball related. Now here, then there are people like in America and like overseas. You don't see that much on it. You don't. It's normally like they'll have a section for it. Like there are people, like Dragon Ball here, at least in Japan now, is just kind of put in the hall of fame

of like this is an anime that everyone knows. Everyone knows. It's like Naruto, right? It's like Naruto, Bleach, Dragon Ball. They're all finished series, their TV anime's finished, their manga is finished, they're in the Hall of Fame, right? Yeah. If you like it, cool, you'll hear it in passing.

But it isn't like, I have committed my entire life to wondering if what would happen if Goku was HIV positive. I need to know. You're not gonna get that here. I just realized the irony of me getting very defensive about the back of no top and then be just shitting on it. Yeah, right.

Literally two minutes later, toxic. I can get fucking, if you like Dragon Ball. Hypocrite, hypocrite. Hey, if you wanna defend it, that's fine. I just think it's funny to like joke about shit. You can shit on what I like, it's totally fine. I don't give a shit. But like speaking of super addicted fan bases,

like I'm, I used to think that way about the Naruto fan base. Yeah, right? Because I was never in the Naruto fan base. I never got into Naruto as much as other people did. But as you said, the moment You've been Borato dropped? The Naruto fans are like,

Naruto, me? Naruto's that? No. No, what are you talking? No. Excuse me, I'm a Naruto fan. I don't wanna watch fucking Borato.

Yeah, I don't want to borrow to a video, but I watch a 50 minute video on why Narito's power scaling is the most perfectly balanced thing in resistance. I see a lot of those videos, pop of my recommended that are like, I don't know, with some character, I don't know, like Madras, is that his name?

Yeah, character. It'd be like, I remember there was like a 90 minute video of my recommended that was like, why his power was the best. And I'm like, this is 19 minutes long. What the fuck? Yeah, they go through every single scenario of mother. And that's cool, because I think,

I think it's great that like, I imagine, I mean, like, you wanna, I see a Jojo video that's super in depth, I'm like, yeah, that's fucking sick, but then on the outside looking in, it's like, whoa, that seems so excessive. Yeah, but I guess it's really fucking awesome if you're in the fandom. Yeah, but you can say that about any fandom.

But like, what, like, I don't understand is like, how, how the, like, how a lot of the fandom still has like, so much momentum. Yeah, that. That's really strange. Even like after the series is ended, because you normally think of an anime series. After it ends, there's like this cool off period

and it kind of like goes into like memory and everything. But with a lot of like the biggest shown in titles, even if they've ended. It's weird. Yeah, I'm really weird. Like I'm genuinely like curious how they've been able to maintain their momentum. Yeah, I'm jealous. I'm like, how do you keep coming up with this content?

Yeah. Like I can't do that. Yeah, yeah. It's kind of, I mean, I admire it man. Like I mean, the fact that you can still keep an audience going. It's honestly admirable. Because most of the time they just talk about the show. Yeah. So like, because-

And like the audience that just does not lose that passion, no matter how much time has passed, no matter how many new series has come out, they still like would, will consume all this, all this stuff where there's like no new media coming out. Because the manga ended like, what, like four or five years ago or something? It was a long time ago.

Which one are we talking about? Narato. Yeah. It was a while ago. And it's funny because all the, all of the narrative videos I've seen are just on like the Naruto segment part. Nobody's talking about Borodov. No one's talking about Borodov. Yeah, exactly.

I mean, I like those kind of videos. I think, going back to Dragon Ball, I just had a fucking flashback. I remember this one channel, I don't know what's called, and I'm sorry if you're watching this. There was a guy who made, like, fights between Dragon Ball characters and his OC. And this channel had like tons of videos,

and had like 200K subs, I think. And I was like, this is insane. Like, thousands of people are watching a dude's O-Cy. fight Dragon Bull Cactors. And I couldn't, I can kind of understand why you might be interested in a death battle between, I mean, I think it's cool.

Two known characters. Yeah, that's cool. You wanna see the outcome? Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. But when it's someone's OC, I was like, my mind was blown. I was like, wait, people are into this. This is how desperate people are for Dragon Bowl content.

And like, and like, I'll give the Naruto people props. At least they have like, the majority of the content that seems to be doing really well, really well is the content that is like 50 minute analysis videos. Which is like, I'm sure you love that if you're into it. But yeah, you know. I mean, I find it like what's more entertaining

than the content itself for me is watching people react to the content. Oh my God. Because it's like, okay, so I remember I did like an attitude rewind and people were like asking me why I put like double four anime in like the attitude rewind. Because he's the legend. Because how are you not entertained watching a shirtless dude?

Scream his fucking ass off watching going What was it? It was Naruto versus... Naurito versus... Nauru versus... Nauru, I think it was Narito versus Ijigo, maybe. Something like that. Yeah, it was not like that.

And he was just shirtless, screaming his ass off. He wasn't shirtless. He didn't have a shirt on, but he had this massive scarf on for some reason. Without a shirt, I'm like, that's an interesting fashion statement. How is this not entertaining to you? I respect that, man. That sounds like great content. It was fucking hilarious.

Because I found out about about it. about that video through the Anticham Rewind. And I'm like, I have to go watch this video. So I found it and I watched the entire thing. I'm like, this was the best entertainment this entire week. Yeah. Because it's so hilarious, just he was screaming at the top of his voice like a fucking 10 year old girl.

And so excited by the fact that Naruto won. I'm like, damn, I wish I could get that excited about a fucking death battle. That's so admirable. I wish I could get that excited about anything. I know, right? Man, I feel like Narito fans are just like toned down Dragon Ball fans

to some extent. They're nowhere near as bad. I feel like in terms of like passion and like the cultness of it is what I'm gonna call, I guess. It's like Dragon Ball is definitely up there at the top of just passionate, dedicated fans. I think every anime fan base is just a toned-down version of the Dragon.

I think Dragon Ball is by far the most like aggressive and like, this is what we want. But it's funny because like Dragon Ball is pretty much as close to a mainstream anime as you can get, right? But there's a difference between people who know Dragon Ball and people, who are anime fans who also grew up with Dragon Ball

and then just Dragon Ball fans. And then people who are Dragon Ball. Oh, you know, because they'll be at the gym wearing some Goku shit or something. Oh yeah, yeah, of course. Yo, bench press me. Yeah, yeah. The fucking Goku, Goku Under Arm are fucking cloth.

That's just the perfect analogy for Dragon Ball fandom. It's just if Tyler One was a fandom. That's just like- Damn it, I love Tyler One knows. But it's so true though. I wouldn't be surprised if Tyler One as a Dragon Ball fan. He likes anime.

Yeah, Tyler One, come on the podcast. Please come on the podcast. Oh my God. I need the monkey brain here. But it's so interesting I find just the, I guess the difference between these massive Shonen fan bases, right? Because even though, like, say, because for example, you don't hear about the bleach fan base anymore.

Are you, on YouTube, you see some of those videos. I don't know about that one. I don't see it. Dude, the bleach fans are like the kid in the, the corner who you're worried might like, you know, bring something sketchy into school. Like that's like, did he bring a knife? I wanna see some bonk eyes, God damn it.

Yeah, that's the bleach fans. The ones who sit in the back of the class and they're like, they said they were gonna bring a knife and you're like, should I be concerned that he's gonna do it? Like that's the bleach fans. Don't worry, it's a knife that I haven't bonkied yet. Because when bleach, like, I mean,

I liked bleach up to like the things like past the Eisenach. Yeah. I don't know much about bleach, but I know the Soul Society arc garbage. Yeah. No, no, the salt site is the best. Oh, which one's the one that's the bad arc?

Eisenark, which is after the society. Yeah, I mean, I mean, I mean, Bleach fans are also very passionate about their show. But I remember when the new anime got announced and I mean, I liked Bleach at the point and then I kind of fell out love with it. Yeah. But like, when the new anime got announced, I was like, I don't know why, I'm pretty fucking right, man.

Same, same, same. I guess because it could be like that kind of thing of like, all right, well, I was like a teenager when I enjoyed this young adult. Right, right, right. Oh, I can get that back. That excitement. But when the anime got announced, man,

the all of the bleach fandom, they had been like, hold up. And suddenly they all rose up together. Rise up, right. They all came out of the bunk because they're like, is it safe to leave? Finally? It's the fallout over? Yeah, you go like normies and like,

you just got like normal people, like, like taking off their shirts and like, yes, I was a bleach fan all along. Yes. I read all of it. I've seen all the anime, Johnny O'Bush. They were like the Peter Parker Superman where they was just like, yes, I'm a Bleach fan.

Oh my God. But like what are the, like, because I'm thinking, right, so there's the Dragon Ballo fan base, which we've already established, the narrative fan base, bleach fan base. What other one would there be? I mean, obviously the Jojo fan base, right?

I think another shirnan fandom that is like the little shit brother is the Seven Deadly Sins fandom. Yeah. They're like the little rut. You're like, dude, no one gives a shit about you. Stop fucking making noise. Dude, it's a shame because like,

I actually really enjoyed Seven Deadly Sins. I wasn't a fan, I didn't give a shit about it. Like, I thought it was pretty like epic, turn your brain off, monkey brain, don't focus, entertainment. Like it was that perfect like shonen white noise the way that I thought the other shonans are a bit too boring. Right, right. It's weird because Seven Deadly Sins is the one shonen

that I really, really tried to get into. Yeah. I mean like, I think Seven Deadly Sins has been the show that I've tried to get into the most that I just couldn't. I've given it four chances, four, And I still can't. What turned you off to it? Just the fact that there wasn't,

there wasn't any, like, in season one at least, because I haven't gone past season one. There wasn't any doubt that the heroes were like, Meliodis or whoever was on like the heroes theme would win. That's true, this is true. Because in season one, the only threat to the main characters are the main characters. You know what I mean?

And I don't know, like, I get that everyone is so ridiculously overpowered and that's like kind of the charm of the series. But I just couldn't get past that point, that I'm just like, man, why am I watching this fight when I know that there's not even like a hint of a threat? Like, yeah, yeah. See, I didn't even get to that point. Like, I just look at the seven deadly scenes fan base.

I'm just like, I'm not putting my foot into that mind. I watched everything up until the new season episode one. And I was like, no. So not gonna lie. And then after that when you saw the fucking GIF, like when you saw, when you saw the fights between Meli Otis and Eskinaur, and I'm just like, oh, if it feels bad to be,

Seven Deadly Simpsonson. When I saw the clip of that on Twitter, where people are like, this has to be fan-made. I fucking lost it. Yeah, I lost it, but I was also like, I kind of want to watch it now. If you don't know, Seven Deadly Sins, super popular show, and then they handed it off

to, which studio was it? Dean. Dean? It was Dean, I think it was. They handed it off to Studio Dean. And it ended up looking like this. This is one of the stills. I know you shouldn't judge the stills.

I think we've talked about this on like the very first episode of the podcast. No, no, we didn't. It's from the lost episode. Oh. I don't remember, yeah. Because I thought like, I think I mentioned something about it must suck to be a seven deadly sins fan.

Because you just, you know, at least, you know, if you're a Dragon Ball fan, you get good animation, right? Like the Seven Deadly Sins anime, we'll just play like one second of animation, here you go, it looks fucking god-awful. You can go onto YouTube, there's tons of clips. I've just thought, the entire Meliotis

and Escanol fight is fucking hilarious. And when I first watched that episode of season three, I think it is, I was like, just please say psych. Like the whole 20 minutes was like, please say psych, just pull. Just be like, now and now it's time for the real animation.

J.K., this is the animatic. It was like, no, no. Because I thought it was good enough, right? Yeah. Man, the fans, I didn't realize how like out there they were online, like they are like hardcore. I didn't know how popular Seven Deadly Sins was. Oh, it's really fucking popular.

Yeah, yeah, I didn't know how popular it was until like I kind of, it was kind of the series that I thought was just gonna fade into obscurity, but then the more years past, the more popular it got and the more things I heard about it. And I'm just like, oh, I didn't know where these fans were when the series started, because maybe I was just fucking blind.

I didn't know it was as popular when it started. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Like, easily, the worst part of Seven Deadly Sins is the fucking main character. Yeah, really? I've heard that, I've heard that the entire time. Because this whole character's thing is like, he, I'm OP, and also, I'm a person,

I touch women. I touch women and that's charming and it's like. Yikes. And it's like, I don't know who is this appealing to because I'm watching this and I'm like, I'm over the age of 18. And I like, I don't understand who this is charming to. Well, clearly to people who have never touched women

in their life, right? I'm just saying. I'm sitting there and I'm literally just like, am I losing my mind or am I the only one who hates this? No, because I remember when I first watched Seven Deadly Sins, I actually made the tweet where like, I, like, I, like, I remember watching the first episode,

and I remember thinking, man, what can we do to give Meliodis like a quirky, like a quirky quirk? Like the anime quirk. Let's just make him accidentally touch women's breasts. Molester, molester. Yeah, yeah, molester. And I'm like, I'm like, you know, I'm not, I'm like totally against woke culture and everything,

but I'm just like, it's not enough for me to like turn me off the anime or turn me off like the entire thing. Yeah. But at the same time, I'm just like, couldn't you thought of, couldn't we think of something better? Yeah, I can't like, You said like I'm not all for being like, you can't do that.

I'm like, I don't give a shit. But every time it happened on screen, it was like when you got a whiff of a really disgusting fart. You're like, oh. Yeah, it's, God, really? It's like, who's that cat girl in fucking, uh, Oh, in Fire Force, right? Fire Force, yeah, who's the cat girl in front?

The one that keeps getting naked. Yeah, yeah, yeah. And that's her entire quirk. Like, I've never been so turned off by fan service in my full entire life. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Oh my God. It's like, it needs to be tasteful.

Yeah, like as, as, as, as, as a full blown degenerate. Yeah. It's the fire force is the first time I've actually watched like, I've actually seen full on fan service and be like, why does this need to be here? This doesn't even be here.

Get this out of here. Seriously, right in front of my salad? Because like you'd have like this really cool looking fight and like I'm invested in this fight, right? And I love, like, I love fan service. I love my fucking fan service, but just don't put it in front of my like fights. Like do what, do they expect to be like, okay,

this fight scene's gonna go on for 10 minutes, but we know the audience isn't gonna pay attention. All right, it's been five minutes, quick. Drop a city, drop a city right now. My problem with it is that you take a break from the fight to look at the fan service, right? And like, I hate that, because that disrupts the flow of the fight.

If the fan service was like separate from the fights, like in something like high school of the dead, where, or something like high school are dead, where like fan service and fights are like, oh, come on, you didn't like the fights and fights. No, I love the fights. I mean, there's iconic scenes. Yeah, yeah, exactly,

where the fan service, is just like a part of the fight. That's fucking great. Yeah, He's still-Dade did it right because it's like, we're gonna dedicate an entire episode to just the raunchiest fucking fan service. No action whatsoever, so you know what it's gonna be.

And then we're gonna get right into the fight the next episode. Yeah, but if you like take a break from the fight to look at the fan service, it's just like that eye-rolling moment where even if you fucking love fan service and you have no fucking problem with it, it still disrupts the fucking fight.

So that's why I just couldn't get into like, I mean, there's a lot of reasons I couldn't get into Fire Force. Right, right. That was one of the reasons. But it's a shame, right? Because, you know, David Production did such a good job on the animation and like the art design and the character designs are fucking cool, you know,

massive soul leader, you know. Yeah, I'm a massive soul leader fan as well. A massive soul leader, right? So I'm just like, hell yeah. New Soul leader basically in 2020, but with a lot of fire. Yeah, it's like, Five Force is one of those shows where I've really, really wanted to fucking like, but for some reason I just could not get into it.

No, I'm saying. I got like four episodes in and I was like, I'm pretty, yeah, three or four episodes, I think my problem with it was that it felt like a mid-2000s Shonen where Shonan has like evolved past that. I feel like My Hero Academia and Black Clover have taken like what has worked and put their own like twists on it

and like evolved onto that. Whereas Fire Force feels like it still belongs 10 years ago with better animation. Mentioning My Hero Academia, it's got a pretty notorious one. Now I don't know, now I don't know if this is a result of it just being the most mainstream anime right now probably. I imagine a lot of it has to do with that.

I think so. There's a lot of like, because I mean, okay, the thing is with the My Hero Academia fandom, right? Is that, hell yeah. That's what I feel about my hero. Is that I think it's the case of like the same like 10 people who have the shittest takes on Twitter that are like.

Okay, it's not just My Hero Academia. It's any like popular shonen that becomes, that becomes very mainstream. This always happens. Like My Hero Academia Demon Slayer. And now Uzaki, it's like, it's always the talk of the town. What's that, like how many fucking times

during my hero's, like, airing period? Was there like tweets, people be like, look at it, it's disgusting. It's not even remotely close to the manga. And they had the manga right next to it, and it's like one fucking, like, leg smells, you tell. I love retweeting, like quote, retweeting people like that. Like, I think there was one of, I think it was a screenshot from later episode of season two or something.

And the, the cat This, I'm guessing it's like a- We both retreated this. Yeah, it was like a 14 year old girl probably, captioned of being like, I can't believe they would do this to my boy. Yeah. It was something like that. And I literally quote, we're saying,

or is they literally no fucking difference? No, because I remember seeing that squeam. I remember thinking, wait, what's the problem? Yeah, like, is there a problem? Is this like, party right now? You're upset that this is colored in? No, and this is, this happened so many times. They would just have the still of the animation

and a still of the manga, and it was barely any difference. Yes, there's gonna be some, there's gonna be some detail missing. It's a fucking manga page. But in my opinion, it's like, if you're that upset, just read the fucking manga. Like, why are you watching the anime?

Like, I remember logging onto Twitter whenever Demon Slayer was in its peak or when My Hero Academia was in its peak, I'd be like, surely they can't be a shittier take and yes, they appear at my time. I'm sure enough, there was like, it was like everyone was competing. They were having a tournament arc of shitty tape.

That's what it was like when they were airing in that peaks, man. I definitely do think though that the winner of that tournament arc was that fucking person who was like, uh, Tanjaro's earrings. Oh, right. You know, it's, you know, it's very, uh, it's very bad. It's got the Japanese imperial flag on it.

And people are just like, no. That's not what it is. That's not what it is. It was like a Hana Futura. It's like, what are you talking about? And I remember, like, I don't usually, I don't usually call people out on Twitter because I don't want to give those people attention.

But sometimes I'm just like, I don't give a shit if this gets attention. This is fucking hilarious. It's like you get so many people who are like, oh dude, I found it out. I found the way to like call them out and get the woke points on Twitter. And they call it out and everyone's like,

dude, shut the fuck up. No one cares. And it's like, sometimes they're like so, it's so hypocritical as well. Because, because, okay, I remember this one time, I saw like this tweet about like Mahir Academia and the girls and like, you know, don't sexualize the girls

because they're in high school and whatever. And then you go in their profile and they're talking about shipping Todorokin his dad. I'm like, what is going on here? Yeah, there was one girl who was like, there was like a poster that Horikoshi had drawn as like a thank you for like season three area.

And it was all of the UA girls in like swimsuits. Yeah, right? And some girl had retweeted being like, how dare Horikoshi sexualize these 14 year olds? And literally the top reply was someone who screenshoted that person's likes list and it was just Todoroki like Yowie, straight up like Todoroki Yowie being like,

is this you? Who's this man? Who's man? Who's, yeah, just, I don't know. What was the other one there was like, a my hero, another controvert? Because of course there is. They find anything to get mad at.

That was the Matta one? Which was the Marital one? It was like one of the scientists in season. Oh, that was China though. Oh no, there was another one which is like, Bakuggo's birthday, the same birthday as Hitler's. Do you remember that one? I don't remember that one?

You don't remember that one? I saw that on Twitter being like, because I logged on the Twitter one morning, and I saw My Hero academia tweet, you know, trending. And so I was like, oh God, what now? And so I went on to it. And it was like some person was like, okay,

so the official birthdays of all of the UA students came out and I just found out that Bakugos' birthday is the same as Hitler's. Does that mean Horikoshi supports war criminals? And I'm like, you can't be serious, right? The worst thing about that doctor one is, like the Japanese like war crime, dude. Yeah, yeah.

Is that I looked at it, And I was like, that's my birthday. Does C.Dog VA support war criminals? I'm like, is my birthday just canceled now? Because somebody who was born on my birthday did a bad thing? Is that it? It's ridiculous.

And I was like, this is, I'm like, what do I think? Like what is, this is dumb, right? Because the Baccago is Hitler's birthday tweet was so funny because all the replies were like, that's my birthday. It's like, yeah, there are 365,000, Maybe 36.

Yeah. It's obviously gonna overlap. It's just a fucking day of the year. Like, it's not like, since when was somebody like, oh, April 25th, this hitless birthday? Another one, another dumb thing was like, I think they were like, uh, in the anime, I think they made them like slightly thinner compared to the manga. Oh, yeah. People lost their fucking shit. They were like, I can't believe this.

I can't believe they're fat shaming. Yeah. With these characters. I'm like, it's literally two pixels. It's, and I'm just there like with my flaming hot, my flaming hot, is just sitting there like, I don't know, I'm fine. It's who gives a shit? I mean, half the time they don't even do that consciously.

I don't like get the whole redrawing art or fixing art trends or whatever that's happening on Twitter. It is like the most toxic thing. Dude, artists arguing on Twitter, it's like the most, like they're just throwing the same grenade back and forth. I'm like, I'm not touching it. It's like two cancer cells fighting, right? It's like, oh, Joe, oh my God, go.

Oh my God, going for the throat, Joey. I mean, I've tweeted about this. I'm not affiliated with Joey in any way, artists. I like your work. It's like two cancer cells find it's like, either way I'm dying from cancer, you know. It's like, I don't really care. You can never like porn on Twitter ever again.

How dare I? How dare I? All the artists are gonna come up for you now. No, it's, because I remember there was one girl who, uh, with a, they did it with Persona Five as well. It's like how fucking dare you do it with Persona Five. Because like, there was this new character in Persona Five Royal that came out called Custom-Castomi.

And she's supposed to to be like a professional gymnast, right? Yeah. And if you don't know anything about the persona games, there's like the regular character design and then there's your like persona character design. Right. So the character had a gym uniform, right? Right. Like the usual like female gym uniform.

Yeah. And it was based around that. And there was this person who got that and was like, oh, how dare Atlas sexualize this like, I think she's like 16 in the game? Yeah. And there's like, and so like they colored in like pretty much like the leotard part out to make it just look like she was wearing a fucking like skin tight like suit.

It looked like shit. And they were like, I fixed it, Atlas. This is what the character should look like. And then what pissed me off even more is when a tweet like that gets popular and then they replied to their own tweet being like, by the way guys, follow me on Deviant art. I'm an artist, please hire me.

I'm like, look, look, artists out there, don't do that. That's not how you get hired. No. Who are you to say what artwork is correct? Yeah, yeah. But to me that's like, like, it's like if we made a video and someone's like, there I corrected,

I dubbed over it and made it funny. Yeah. It's like, okay, so what? Yeah, exactly. It's because what you're doing is you're basically just putting like a giant middle finger at the original artist, you know? And you don't know what the fuck their intention was.

They just made a piece of artwork, you know? Especially when it's like, you know, the cultural difference between Japan and, yeah, but like, I think the thing I had, the biggest gripe I had with the whole persona thing, and a lot of these like, I fixed your art things, is that like there isn't anything inherently wrong with the original art.

It's just your fucking prerogative that you think it's bad. Like Twitter's a shit show, which is all of course. Like this recent controversy with like the Uzaki Chan design is just the most stupid fucking thing I've seen. Why is it even an argument? Yeah. Why is it even an argument?

I just, I look at that shit and I'm like, how do you motherfuckers have the energy? How do you, how do you wake up every day and decide? You know what I'm gonna do today? Argue on Twitter for two hours. I'm gonna get angry. about the design of this fictional character. Who's ever changed their mind because of a fucking tweet?

Like, who in the history of humanity has seen a tweet and been like, you know my opinions? They're fucking wrong. You'd be surprised. I have changed my mind and I've made a mistake. You were right all along. I had a relapse of judgment. Oh my God.

But yeah, going on to other fandoms. So Jojo fans. So can we talk about Jojo fans? talk about Jojo fans, the locusts of the anime community. Because that's what they are. The religious plague of the anime community. They're the frogs that most rain down. I'm a head out.

No, no, I mean, we can't shit talk. I mean, we can shit talk. No, you can shit talk, you can shit talk. But we can shit talk because we are in that family. No, no, because we are in that fan. We're Jojo fans. I feel like we're varying degrees. We're varying degrees.

Like, there's like, it's like a gradient, right? a gradient, right? And you've gotten better recently. I went to rehab, I went to rehab. But my God, when Connor discovered Jojo, he was the most annoying Jojo fan you could ever imagine. Yeah, in the church of Jojo, he went from like altar boy to the Pope.

Like he just ascended. Like everything has to be Jojo. It's like, when did you like first properly get into Jojo? Because was it when you were like in peak Jojo toxicity? Yeah, because I'm curious because from my It's gonna happen out of nowhere. So I had watched, when I was moving house once,

I downloaded, because then at the time, only Star Dust Crusaders had finished. Before Part 4 started. And I downloaded it all and I was like, well, you know, this guy talks about it a lot on YouTube and says it's quirky. And I fucking hated the art style. I thought a little like shit.

I was like, why is it so fucking ugly? Yeah. Which is what I hear a lot from Jojo fans, and I totally understand. Totally understand. It's always- You downloaded it because I mentioned it. Yeah, yeah, you-

I've created a monster. Oh my God. He did this. Oh my God. Because you're like the scientists and created a Frankenstein. I feel like maybe you were to, you'd a part to play in the catalyst of like,

if you didn't start it, but maybe you definitely accelerated it. Yeah, yeah, yeah. So I downloaded it and I was moving house and I had no internet for about a week. And it didn't even take me a week to my three days. Yeah. So I watched, and God, oh my fucking God,

dude, Star-Dust Crusaders, part one, the first watch, fucking boring. Yeah. That shit was so. So long. Yeah, really dragged out. I was there in orangutan. There was a boat.

What is that, Iraqi? I mean, now, now I love it. Yeah, now I think it's amazing. At the time, I'm like, I hate this. I hate this so much. Part two had a good thing going. Why are you ruining it, Iraq? Yeah.

Part one, okay, here's one of this, right? And I sympathize a lot with Jojo fans who come, no, not Georgia fans, people who wanna get into Joejo who are like, I just can't get into it. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Yes, it is hard to get into. It is just such a weird thing and it's so different from what you're used to.

I say it's an acquired taste. I think some parts it is. And there's almost a lot of people now who really want to like it just to get the memes and be in the know. And it's like, you don't have to. I don't care if you do or don't. Which is the biggest thing about Jojo fans,

I wanna say is that please stop trying to get absolutely everyone into Jojo. Not everyone should get into Jojo because it's not something that appeals to everyone. And it is a commitment as much as I like, you know, I have to basically say to people, If you make it past Stardis Crusaders, you're probably in for the lung run.

Yeah, yeah, yeah. But that is nearly what, like 70 episodes? So it's 48 plus, yeah, it's about 70 odd episode. It's like 20 volumes of the manga. So asking someone to be like, hey, it gets good 72 episodes into the point of like no return, it's like, that's a hard sell. Anyway, so I'll get back to that.

So I watched it and then I kind of was like, didn't think anything of it. Yeah, and then I watched part four and I was like, this is really good. Part five hadn't come out. I was adamant on, uh, I actually, I tried to read the manga, but I couldn't do it. I was like, really?

Yeah, because at this point I didn't start reading manga. Yeah, strictly not reading manga. Yeah. So I was like, no, I can't do it. I read the first chapter of part five, and I was like, no, no, no. Yeah. Who's this fucking jaw, no comment?

So then I started watching part five as it aired. I got about three episodes in and I was like, I really wanna know what happens. And so I started reading ahead and then it became like, I read part five in like a day, I think. Jesus. And then I read part six, the next day.

And then I read part seven over like two, three days and part seven was like by far my, and part seven is when I think it solidified like my obsession with it. Yeah, part seven was so fucking amazing. Yeah, and if you have finished all the anime, all the anime only peeps who I, like I was for a long time, please give it a shot.

The manga is so, so good. Yeah, part six and seven's manga is so good. Yeah, then I became like obsessed and I was like, okay, well, I wanna go back and read all the manga now because I feel that like it was kind of a really, different experience and I got to go through it a lot faster. And a lot of the pacing issues I felt in the anime, at least for part three, could be resolved.

Yeah. With the Marcos. I went back and we watched it and I just became fully obsessed. And I think whilst I was reading part seven, I was meeting up with you a bunch and I suddenly became more annoying. Yeah. Because like the thing I hate about Jojo fans

is that they, they assume that nobody watches Jojo, like in the old days. Right, right, right. They are the most vocal fan base out of fucking any other anime fan base. And they, it's always, always the same fucking, we wanna talk about a dig measuring contest.

Like, Jojo fans, it's a dig major contest. I actually feel sorry for any musician who Iraqi chooses to like name as a staff. Oh dude, you go to their comment section on YouTube? Yeah, and it's like the Jojo fans have taken over. Oh my God. Which is like, I called them locust, right? Cause they like invade, they take all the crops,

they take everything and then they move on to the next one. It's like the independence day aliens, right? Where they just like, they just like make this fucking world uninhabitable and then move on to the next world. Did you see when the Star Wars released a new like R2D2 thing? It was called Dio. Oh my God. All the comments were,

Conno Dio, da! Like all of them. And so when Connor was in like peak Jojo fandom, this kind of came out of nowhere because he would just start making Jojo references like in everyday life. And like, I remember in England, we still hung out like pretty often. Yeah, like once or twice every, every two weeks.

Yeah, yeah, exactly. And just every time I would hang out with Connor, he would just keep making Jojo references. He was like, I thought Jojo fans were annoying online. Hanging out with a Jojo fan in real life, as a fan of Jojo made me start to hate Jojo. And I didn't know that was physically possible until how start hanging out with Connor?

Like we would be like eating a meal in like some Italian restaurant. And Connor would just be going through this fucking menu being like, oh, Proshito, that's a Jojo character. Oh, look, you ordered the black pasta. This is like that scene from part two where. Jesus Christ, that's a Jojo. Yeah, and I would just be sitting there being like,

motherfucker, I'm just trying to eat my fucking pastor. Can you not right now? I remember I would just do it on purpose at some point and be like, oh, you approached me. That was, I remember that one party went to and we got fucking wasted and every time I just, every time someone walks towards you, you would be like, oh, you're approaching.

You're approaching me, oh. And it was like, I'm so glad I wasn't in the UK. It was funny like the first two times, but like the 50th time the night. The worst point was everyone at the party started doing it then. Because I had done it so much that everyone was saying. Oh my God.

They didn't know what even they were even referencing most of the time. That was just copying. Yeah, oh my God. Needless to say that I get it because the passion for it when you first get into like really into it is so intense.

Yeah. And like you love everything about it. Because everything about it. about that, it's so quotable. Like you can take anything out of context and it's quotable. I think that it's like, the way I try and describe it's like the selling point is that like it's such a unique experience

in anime. It is. And it's not anything comes close. I know everyone says that, but yeah, it really is. And I think also because being, especially, I think the reason it's done so well in the West is that I feel like it's kind of almost accessible because a lot of the Western references

make it really easy to digest. Well, it's because Iraqi as well has said that he's like his biggest influence was Western comics. And it's so cool because it feels like, it's like, oh, anime is like kind of like acknowledging our kind of like thing, right? And like, you know, I fucking love Earthwind and Fire.

And when I first saw like the stand Earthwind and Fire, I was like, I fucking love that, that. You know, when you see a band that you listen to, it's so hype, you know. And then when you see it again in part seven, you're like, hold on a second. Yeah, yeah. Wait, did I actually do a mistake?

No, it's like, I think it's so easily digestible in some ways and it's such a, no author does anything like this in any other way. And the absurdity of it, but also it's so dumb yet clever at the same time, it's really just in an overall experience and such a good style. Yeah, well that's why it's one of the most

parodied Shonen Jump titles ever by other Shonenjur because I'm reading Ischiel 21 at the moment and they fucking, when they throw the ball, some of them shout aura. Yeah, yeah, yeah, and it's like, just gonna casually drop it. Literally every Shonen jump artist has probably parodied or referenced Jojo in some way.

Yeah, but it's like so unique. So that's why it's infinitely like fucking quotable. People can reference this all day long and people do reference this all day long. A little too much. Which is what gets annoying at some points because I remember when Jojo first started airing in like part of this one and two.

I remember talking about it. No one gave a shit. I remember talking about it. And I was like, I think it was like in my very first year of view when it was like 2013. And I was like talking about Jojo being like, yeah, there's this like long forgotten anime that's being long forgotten manga

that's being adapted called Jojo. You guys should probably watch it, not knowing how big it would become fucking seven years later because now everyone in the anime community knows Jojo, but I don't think everyone in the anime community should get into Jojo.

You know what I mean? It's hard. As much as I love it, there's so many pitfalls that would put someone off in the first few parts where he's really coming into his own as an author.

I think part four is really where he starts to be like, okay, from part four onwards, you're getting a fucking amazing experience. Yeah, yeah. But there's so many growing pains in between that. Yeah. And yeah, it's, uh, part one and three mostly, I feel like the growing pains. And I think that's also one of the annoying parts

is that people who love part two, then go to part three and they get something totally kind of different and it's hard to be like, it's hard to adjust. Just like kind of put up with it. Like I wonder like if I had internet, you know, I had any form of internet, Would I have dropped it?

Like I wonder about that. Like, would I, because the only reason I watched it is I had no other anime downloaded except for this. And I remember being like, fucking come on, man. Yeah, yeah. Jeez, this fucking fight's so boring. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Like, come on.

And I don't know, it just feels like nowadays, people still make Jojo references and the Jojo fandom still acts like it's, it's this really underground kind of show that everyone should get into. And it's just not that case anymore. No, no, I don't know. Yeah, we are an annoying fandom.

Yeah, I don't think they understand that, They might be pushing a lot of people away from the show now just because of how vocal they are. Yeah. I like to now, at least publicly, with my Jojo references, I like to be sparing and like save it for a good moment. Because a good Jojo reference at the right time hits differently, it does hit differently.

But like that's the thing, right? It's like I think as well that a lot of people are just getting fucking sick of Jojo's because it is so quotable in any situation. And so many of the Jojo memes now are just like, dude, come on. I'm just like, dude, come on, you can do better than that. Like, please.

Like, there are a lot of good memes. There are a lot of good memes. I think it's locked up now because there's no new anime part airing, but whenever there's a new anime airing, when part six becomes an anime, whenever that may be, the memes are gonna be fucking top tier. Like, we already know. But in the meantime, there's just the dead moment

of just dead memes where it's just kind of putting the Jojo fan base in a little bit of a bad light, I feel, because they're just shitting out these memes everywhere. And people are just like, all right, I get it. But like for you as a Jojo fan, do you ever feel defensive whenever someone shits on Jojo or like?

Oh, it depends what fall. Like if that's shitting on it, like just a shit on it, which many people are because you know, the fandom's super fucking annoying, right? So I mean. And it's a popular show. I get annoyed by it, right? Because I read this shit and I'm like,

dude, you're 12, don't talk on the internet. Who gave you permission? Yeah, yeah. Your profile picture is Melly Otis. Please stop. Like, I mean, I mean, It's hard, right? Because it's like watching your little brother

like shit his pants in public. It's like, come on, man. Not now. It makes me look bad. Yeah. Because there's so many like cool things in Jojo. Like, okay, the Jojo like fashion is like the coolest fucking shit.

Dude, it is fucking next level. It's by far, I think the best anime fashion. Like, yeah. I don't think anything comes close. I mean, you know, that's how they did a collab with like Gucci. Gucci, right? Yeah.

I am so fucking sad that I don't own anything from the Gucci collection. You know if they do another Jojo Gucci. Was it Gucci or Louis Vuitton? They did Louis Vuitton as well, right? I'm pretty sure. Oh, they got the figures with the gems in them. Yeah, yeah, yeah.

We know fashion. Yeah, they Gucci, Gucci, because they did a, I think, yeah, Iraqi wrote a short, I think it's a 12 page or three page. Yeah, with Chichbe Rohan, right? Right, Kishbei Rohan Gucci promotion. Yeah, yeah. And it's fucking amazing and I wish that I had,

like, no anime comes close to like, pure like fashion style as Georgia. I mean, it really doesn't. Iraqi did a fucking Jojo exhibition at the Louvre. Yeah, yeah. I mean, it's like no other anime artists could do that. It's not even close and the reason why is because anime is such a, I feel like it's been like watered down style.

Right. It's like the style is so same at this point. And then you have something like Jojo that yes, is very, very grating to look at in the start. But the more you come into it, the more you get into it, you're like, holy shit, okay, this is really fucking cool. No, because I feel like after about,

I think it's part four or part five where Iraqi- Gets gay, gets gay, he just gets gay. Part five is hell-a-gay. Yeah, part five is hella gay. And I love it. It's so good. There's so much gay tension in part five. It's like perfect.

I've never seen that many open chests in my life. A day-sucking scene. And you can see how much of like, fashion is rubbed off on them. How much fashion is like rubbed off onto his, like, character designs and just like, the entire aesthetic of... Like most of the poses from like part of the, like part four or five onwards or like just vogue.

Yeah, just Vogue covers or like fashion shots that are taken and they're just like amazing in anime form. Like it's so obvious that he had like an appreciation for fashion that I don't think many authors had. I'm sure there's some of the comments who's like, um, actually, but you know, it's just super mainstream. They just haven't seen that. Yeah.

It's someone who love, obviously loves fashion, but has been able to integrate it in so, such a unique way. Because you know, there's a difference between having I don't know how to put this into worse, but like having characters wear good fashion. Like one of the things I love about rental girlfriend actually is how like their outfits change. And I was one of the few like anime you see where every,

every episode the character is wearing like a different outfit. Right. You can tell like the author's put thought into this. But like what I feel about Jojo fashion is just that it embodies fashion. You know what I mean? Not just the clothes, but just like the whole authentic, the whole feel and everything like that. It feels like runway models.

Yeah. Like, dare I say. Oh my God, that is like so Jojo. Yeah. Like from part five on with, it does feel like everyone is a runoffel. It's a runaway models with superpowers. That's what it is.

Like that's genuinely like what it feels like. And like, I never gave a fuck about fashion. But ever since like what getting into Jojo, like when I saw like high fashion stuff, like expensive shit, I'm like, kind of like looks pretty fucking like. Like like, like. It's true though.

I literally never, I always used to think like, $10 for a t-shirt is the max level. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. And then the more I got like, I started looking at Jersey and I'm like, why is that guy hot? Like he looks fucking down. But like, it's hot though, like, like, and then I was like, dude, his outfit is fucking cool.

Yeah. That's all the fashion. Yeah, that drip clean, man. And you're like, okay, maybe I can start to appreciate fashion a little bit. Oh yeah, yeah. I definitely got, came to the same because I mean, you know, this is brand in Japan called glam,

which does a mass Which you want, if you're wondering where we get most of our, like anime t-shirts now, it's probably from glam. Yeah, all of the Jojo shirts that you've seen is probably from Glenn. Like I scoffed the first time I saw when the t-shirt was like $80. Yeah. That is a lot, and I pain me to pay that.

But after a while, I'm like, this shit looks so good that I would rather have one of this t-shirt than eight shitty t-shirt. Yeah, exactly. Because like, there's only a few places where I can rep, like, my favorite anime, I not have to worry about... Being a fucking embarrassing. Yeah.

Being that cringy weave, right. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Because like there's some anime fashion, which there's no other way I can put it, but it's just tacky. It's so tack, put a fucking, put a fucking giant logo. Yeah, it's just like the kind of shirts

you only wear it's anime conventions, and that's it, you know? Or as pajamas, that's the only time, right? Yeah, yeah, exactly, but some like the Jojo fashion I've seen just looks fucking fantastic. Yeah, exactly. And you can like, you can be a webe, just like in public, you know,

and still, yeah, that Diavolo jacket I have. A King Grinsom jacket I have is so fucking sexy. I love wearing a jacket. It's so fucking cool. Basically there is a lot to love about JoJo. That's the last dick suck. I will do with Jojo. Yes, Defandum is probably one of the worst,

if not the worst right now, publicly. Like it's pretty fucking awful. Yeah, it's pretty bad. I wish you guys would chill the fuck out a little bit. Exactly. Because like, I feel like the only time I've had a knee jerk reaction about someone saying about Jojo.

I had the exact thing. I had the exact same thing. I became everything I hated. I mean, I've already talked about this. But it's critical. It's when critical did, what did you do a video on again? He was talking about, he was Dunkie's video about how Final Fantasy fans are the worst

and like, they're like so aggressive about their opinion. Yeah, so it's a critical video that's called Dunkie has gone too far. I think that's, I think, something like that. Yeah, yeah. And so Charlie talks about how, you know, these rabbit, Final Fancy fans have taken Dunkey's opinion way too seriously.

Yeah, right? And then he goes in this, he uses this analogy. And of course, of course he uses Jojo fans. And I was, when he brought up Jojo, I was ready to be like, you're right, King. Like you are totally right, totally get this. Part one sucks, part three sucks, we get it. Yeah, yeah, yeah, cool.

And then he goes on to say that I think he prefers part one and two to part three and four. And I just had this, I just had this, I just had this, Chottomate, I've never hit the space bar with such aggression, I'm like, what? What?

Because I've heard most opinions about Jojo. I've heard shitty tips, yeah, that was the shittiest thing, Charlie, what was that? Charlie, part four is amazing. I just want to, no, no, I just want to understand. You know, no, I've- Come on the podcast, Charlie, explain yourself. Look, look, look, I don't wanna be that Jojo fan, right?

But I'm going to fully morph into that Jojo fan. Cause like I've heard, you know, if you don't like Jojo, that's fine. I've heard that take so many times. When I'm just like, Jojo's not for you, that's good, that's fine, you know. But I've never heard the take where someone, I've never heard that.

Never heard that. Never heard that. Maybe like maybe part two over part three, but part one. Yeah. Part one over part four? Four is amazing. Four is so good.

I don't like the personified powers. I'd rather see the powers I can't fucking see. Charlie, Charlie, this, this, you know, I just want, I just wanna understand. I want to understand, please. Please, I need to know. This is a spot right here, Charlie, for you.

To explain yourself. Is not hate, I just want to know. I want to know. Because me and Connor both like space bar this, go to the comment section and nobody was talking about it. No one was, really about it. I was so furious. It's like, why is nobody talking about it?

This is the biggest issue in 2020. Why is nobody told? Probably because they're all off on like, are slash Jojo being like, did you see this? Did you see this bullshit? I've never had a reaction like that in my life. I've normally been like, yeah, King, whatever you are, man. And I was like, no, no, that is wrong.

What is that? That's just wrong. Because it's literally the first time I've heard this opinion. I've never heard that. I thought I was prepared for anything. So yeah, Charlie, come on and defend yourself. We need to, we need to talk.

Yeah, we do need to talk. Come to Japan. Come to Japan. When America stops, imploding. Yeah. Come to Japan, not only because we want you as a guest on the show,

but mostly because we wanna hear your opinions on Jojo. Your garbage, garbage opinions. I'm just kidding. Moving on from Jojo, which is probably the worst fandom right now. We all agree, right? Joe's the worst fandom right now. Dragon Ball's a close second.

Whenever, like, whenever a Jojo anime is airing, it's just like, the anime community is just like a minefield. Oh yeah, that's great. I love it, I love it. As a guy who can navigate the minefield comfortably. As someone who is going into the field, planting new minds.

Playing the mind myself. I think another kind of fandom that we haven't touched on, we've really touched on shonen fandom. Arguably the horniest fandom, which is the Yowie fandom. See, I don't really see it. Really? All that much. I mean, I know you do. You would be more of the expert than I am.

Yeah. Yeah. Like what is it? The Yawi fandom is imagine if, in, Instead of being passionate about Dragon Ball, you're passionate about dudes fucking. Like that's, that level of passion. I mean, good on them, I guess.

I read a manga recently, and it was one where the whole kink was that he had inverted nipples, and that was the selling point. I saw that on Twitter. It was like, and it's just crazy, because people get so into this stuff. And I love reading it because it's so funny and absurd, but some people will love this shit.

Yeah, yeah. And they get so aggressive about it. But then it's equally on the other side, there's like, don't fetishize this shit, it's not healthy. And it's always like a war going on. What, about inverted nipples? Oh, about like gay relationships and stuff like this

because it's like women, right? Yeah, yeah, yeah. But I mean, I don't fucking care. I think it's stupid either way. Who takes this shit seriously? No one cares. I don't know. Fucking inverted nipple shit killed me.

Oh, there's tons of it. It killed me because I knew it wasn't a parody. I was like this, I know this is real. The whole plot of that Yowie as well was a really fun stupid one as well. I'll explain it to you. So it's great because even conceptually explaining it to you is so absurd.

Maline knows it. Melene's read it. So this guy needs to get a new house, right? And he finds this amazing share house that looks amazing, it's so cheap. And the reason why he gets it so cheap is that the owner of the house only lets like hunks in, like absolute eye candy as he preface.

And this Yari starts off, right, by, one of the other hunks who lives in the house. Yeah. It's like, come on, let's take a bath together. Okay. Because they have like an onsen or something. Right, right, right. And he sees his inverted nipples and he's like,

dude, that's hard as shit. Like that's my kink. And he's like, you know, if you get you turned on enough, they'll invert back to normal. And so immediately starts doing shit to him. Yeah. And then it turns out that he'd hired a prostitute and that wasn't the prostitute.

It was just the new housemate or something. And I was like, this is insane. The plots that they come up with and Yowie are just insane. And okay, I get it, a lot of people who are like, oh God, sounds gay, I'm not into that. It's like, no, please read it. It's so fucking funny. Oh no, I wouldn't read it.

Just the stories alone are so absurd, like the leaps that they take to get. That's why I wanna get more into Yowie, because like, out of the few that I've read, I'm just like, this is too funny not to go further into. If you genuinely wanna read, like, a decent Yowie with like a great story, I think 10 dance is pretty good. It's about ballroom dancing.

Yeah, I've heard that one. Hell are gay, but so fucking good. Yeah, actually like an amazing story, unironically. I love what we went from Dragon Ball fan base to here are some Yaui artists, man. Because I genuinely think that Yowie fans, because you don't really see them, because you guys probably don't like,

oh, yeah, yeah. They are like the Dragon Ball fans, but like for gay porn. Kind of, kinda, kinda. Like, do they have like power levels on Dick size and everything like that? Sadly not. And they don't care who can suck Dick the best.

They're not like, yo, Saita-Muck and how to suck Goku any day or week. Oh, Goku can handle the least. a 10-inch girth any day of the week. Goku has a 10-inch girth. You know, Goku can still suck dick even with HIV. It's like, it's just like this kind of almost,

like, you'll say, oh, I like a Yowie. And if you say you like a Yowie, you better be prepared for me like, read this one, oh my God, you have to read this one. This one's great. Do you know how many fucking Yauis are recommended after you and I did that YOWY ASMR video?

Yeah, because, Because every, Yowie fans will not be content until you've read their favorite Yowie. Yeah, yeah, yeah. There's like a lot of fandoms like that as well. True, true, true. Like the fate fandom, I think is definitely one of that where like they hear that you're into like one fate

and then they'll, okay, I am that fake. How dare you haven't seen every time. I am that franchise. Well, fate fans are the, if Dragon Ball's the ghetto, fate are the crack dealers. That's the way I see it. They're like, they're the ones who are profiting. Yeah, it's like, so you want more, huh?

Oh, I got more. Oh, we got more. What do you want? Yeah. You want the wife, you want the story? They get away drug is heroin. And then it only gets worse from that. Like, it's like, you know,

we need a full like ecosystem to to know who is the failure in society. It's like, oh, you finished all the fate, huh? Have you heard of Sukihime? I know you wanna get into that. Oh my God. Oh, you like Sabre? Like, it's like the different kinds of marijuana strands.

Sabre, it's like, oh, you like saber of the, Sabre of the Dank, dude. We finally have every kind of saber now because Casta Sabre just got recently released in the JP servers and now we can go full Sabre. All the Sabres, give me more Sabres. We don't need any more Sabres. Type Moon, stop it.

It's free real estate. Stop it, type moon. But like another toxic fandom I can think of that. Just like, checking off. Who are we gonna piss off next? Like, like, okay, let's just piss off everyone. We're gonna piss off everybody. Who haven't we pissed off?

Do we have any more? Webtoon readers. Webtoon readers. Okay. So because like, I, Do we even count them? Is that even a fan base? I don't even know.

No, because like I didn't realize how passionate they were until Tower of God started airing. And then I remember making a Tower of God video and like when I tweeted it out or any time I would tweet anything else about Tower of God, it was the most toxic, like Twitter chain you could ever think of.

Really? Yeah, where people like Tower of God fans are that dedicated fandom. And from what I've seen, a lot of the web tune fan base are the same, because I've seen, I've seen, like, equally with, like, the God of High School fandom as well. Right, right, right, right. Where they will defend this show as, like, the greatest piece of literature that's ever been made.

Right. And I'm like, yeah, I like Tower of God. Yeah, yeah, yeah. You know, God of High School, I haven't read the, I hadn't read the webtoon, so that could be better. I don't know. I think the anime's pretty mediocre as it is. Yeah.

But, like, they will, like, go to war to, to, like, make sure everyone knows how good good this web tune is. I'm really scared now because I'm pretty sure next season we're getting the Nobel S anime, right? Which basically completes the trifecta of like the web tune. Yeah. Right. Because you know when you have like a slight problem with like or like a slight criticism with like this the certain anime or show or manga and then you make like a tweet about it. And then the billion fucking tweets you get to be like, um, excuse me. Yeah. No. How dare you? Oh my God. And that's like what I've seen with like webtoons fans

like times a hundred. Really? Yeah, or at least like, or at least with Tower of God because like that was my experience with Tower of God. Well, I was like, I like Tower of God. Yeah. But then I've read like the comments chains and a lot of it just really put me off like the Tower of God fandom. Jeez, I never got that at all. In my head I was just like, damn, this has got a fucking good soundtrack.

That's all I heard. I was like, Kevin. Kevin, you did good. You did good Kevin. You did good Kevin. Fuck the oxygen fandom. You know, fuck those guys. Who needs oxygen, man?

They're all stuck up. Who haven't we pissed off yet then? Wait, is there a good fandom? No. No. Because the more I go through it, I'm like, Love Life, Garbage, Banjuring, garbage. Every single family.

Fairy tale. Oh my God, fairytale is awful. Oh my God. Fairy tale, man, it's like, the people who like fairy tale are the ones who kept those mats, you know, the kids with the town. Yeah, yeah.

They're the people who kept those, and they're still used them, and they have the little cars go around. I remember, I remember one time, there was this fucking, like, I think it was supposed to be a smear campaign against me, right? Oh, because you said the fairy tale was garbage? Because I said that fairy tale was garbage

in one of my Let's Fight videos, and there was a moment on Instagram where people were like tweeting out, or posting this picture of like Natsu and Lucy. And it was like, protect fairy tale from the anime man. And there was like 30 people on Instagram, being like, yes, let's protect our favorite show because some dude on the internet said it was a garbage show.

And I'm just like, oh my God, all I said was that this show sucks. It's like, just chill, chill out. Is it a natural occurrence that at a certain age, you just stop giving a fuck if someone hates on what you like? Or is it a thing that some people have it? It's just, because I don't, I genuinely don't know anyone our age

who gets that angry about it. Do you? Because I don't. No. I don't. I mean, like, I like to have, like arguments, not arguments or like debates. I love chatting shit.

I love talking out of my ass and getting angry at Jerry about the back and no doubt. But like that's not like actually. Like I'm not gonna be offended by it. No, no, no, no. I mean, that's because we're friends, right? But I'm not gonna on Twitter get actually angry at someone because I mean, a lot of the context

and the humor is lost if I do. Yeah, yeah, exactly. I feel like on Twitter especially, which I feel like we're pulling most of this, like most of our opinions on. Yeah, this is normally coming from Twitter. Yeah, really anything else. I'd say 90% of what I see has come from Twitter.

It's just not like, not the right platform for this kind of like debate and argument. Like like I said, who's ever changed their opinion because of a fucking tweet? You know what I mean? You don't have enough characters to make a poignant argument. No.

That can, that can really, and I'm not gonna sit through a fucking like seven tweet thread, right? Even then, the first thing you think when you get like, like what a fucking 20 page paragraph, your immediate thought is not to like, I'm gonna consider what they've said, so you're like, how do I immediately counter this?

Is your first thought on Twitter? It always is, it's everyone's first thing, right? So it's like, what's the fucking point? Like, yeah. You just, you know, go and fucking watch Meliotis touch up a girl. Who fucking cares? Go do what you want. Yeah.

If you enjoy it, then cool. But just be aware that there are people out there who don't think that way, right? Who don't agree with the fact that. It's not a personality trait to touch women. Just saying, I'm gonna say it. I'm just gonna say it. I just think it's stupid.

Yeah, it is. Why does Meliotis need to do it? I don't know, I still wonder. I wake up in a cold sweat at night. And I'm like, why just- You wake up like Meliotis did in that fucking thing? Yeah. I mean, I think it's just-

My Smelliotis, assaulting women. No, I'm not a simp, right? I just think it's because of like when, when did it originally come out? Like, it was like mid-2000s, right? Was it okay in mid-2000s? No, because remember this time in mid-2000s where entire character quirks was,

oh, let's trip over and touch an anime girl? Literally every harem protagonist? Yeah, literally every harrim protagonist. That was like the quirk. There's a difference to tripping up there at being like, True, true, true. As an adult male, an adult monkey-brained male,

I watched that and I sat there and I thought, who is this appealing to, this character trait? Like, I'm wondering who, do you know? Because I don't fucking know, it's got to be 12-year-olds, right? It's got to be 12-year-olds. That's how, like, most of my arguments are done. Like, who likes this? 12-yard, must be.

Probably isn't, but to my head, no adult who's functioning in society. Maybe I'd just have a certain question. Yeah, there you go. It's not appealing to those who are functioning society. Do you like that Meliotis touches people? If so, can you tell me why? Because I'm genuinely curious.

Like what about it is fun? Like, yeah, like, I can understand if you don't have a problem with it, but like, if you actively like, enjoy it, like that's a good quality. Like, yeah, I'm generally curious. They're like, hell, yeah, Meliotas, you feel up that bitch.

Because like I said, I don't give a shit, it's just kind of like smiling a bad fault. Like I'm like, fuck it, ugh, disgusting. Carry on. But like, I don't care. Like, it's something to stop me from watching it. I just think it's dumb. I don't know.

I mean, it's like the bad animation is more likely to stop you from Yeah, that's way worse. That's way worse, yeah. That's a way better reason to stop watch fucking watching it. God, they thought they do to you. I'm sorry, Seven Deadly Sins fans, they did you dirty. I think what this episode has given me the realization of

is that if you put the blank fandom and you put any anime in that blank, it's probably gonna be a shit fan. Oh yeah, I mean. As long as a fandom exists, it's probably gonna suck in some way. Yeah, think of any fandom and you'll find annoying ass fucking memes

or dumb shit they say. So if you are a fan of any anime in general, don't take what we said personally. We just like to talk shit out of our ass. We hate all fandoms equally. None of this is serious. If you're a Dragon Ball fan, please don't think that you can't talk to me.

You can't, I actually. You can, as long as it's not about Dragon Ball. Only if you're here to discuss the benefits of having Goku be HIV hospital. Jojo fans, please just chill the fuck out. Not everyone needs to watch Jojo. We love Jojo, not everyone who love Jojo. What we've said,

is not serious at all, it's just us talking shit for two hours, just having a fun time. Exactly. And hopefully none of you took what we said seriously today. Although if you are offended by this, odds are you didn't make it this far before you talk about. Let's make this fun. What other fandoms piss you off?

Let's make the comment section an entire fucking minefield. If it's for us, if it's Dragon Ball, what is it for you? What fandom is it? Tell me, let us know. Let us know. This is gonna go well.

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Absolutely disgusting toxicity. And in the comment section of this video, enough and you can also follow. I can't wait for the amount of clips that get like clipped and put on Twitter. Oh God. Like we are going to like, the amount of smear campaigns

that are gonna happen on trash days. Let's cancel. We're gonna get canceled from every fucking side of the anime fan. If you piss off everyone, it's a negative, negative situation right where. Exactly. Everyone's like, well he pissed everyone off so it must be okay. Exactly, exactly.

But if the comment section I'm enough for you guys, then you can also let your opinions be shined, over on our Twitter and subreddit as well. Post your horrible toxic fan base memes over there. And yeah, guys, please don't get offended with anything we said. None of this is serious. We just, as you can see, we're drinking.

All right, so immediately it negates all fucking credibility of what we're saying. I just noticed we've been fucking moving around so much more when like the more we've drunk. We're just like, e-e-fucking-up. Fuck anime. I hate anime. Why do you watch anime? It's fucking shit.

Anime is mad. It doesn't hit different. It was a lie. God lied. Goodbye trash taste viewers. Yeah, if we're not canceled by the next episode, then we'll see you next week. All right, bye-bye.

Bye.