Trash Taste Podcast - These Games are IMPOSSIBLE to Finish | Trash Taste #228

Episode Date: November 1, 2024

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Ready? Ready? I am ready. Is that a SpongeBob reference? I don't know. You should know. It's episode one, bro. Shit, was it?

Yeah. Remember he's like, I'm ready! Oh yeah, it is. It's a Spongeball reference. He used to do it. Oh, man. Yeah, I was just like, please, let me say it. Joey waits for the opportunity to quote that.

I love it. It's good quote. Hey, welcome back to another episode of the Trash podcast, I'm Joey and I'm with the boys, Connor and Garn. As per usual, we're back. My sleep studio has been atrocious. It was amazing. I was waking up a 6 a.m. generational run, they were saying.

You're waking up 6 a.m.? I was waking up 6 a.m. for like a month straight. I was waking up to 7 a.m. for a month straight. Damn. And then I thought I was doing well at 8 a.m. You know, and then obviously, League of Legends started the world's championships. Wow, wow. My empathy just went out.

That's not cool, like. That was that's pain. We, we, Joey, we don't want to do you. We don't want to talk about that. And there was nothing with pain. You don't want to talk about it? We don't want to talk about that. He said I ruined my sleep schedule and all my team's lost.

So like, you know, some of these games are going on till three. Yeah. So I was like, God, man, I want to go to bed, but like it's neck and neck. You stayed up till three to take an ill? Yeah, that's crazy. Yes.

And so now I'm like, I've not adjusted my real life schedule right to be around my sleep schedule. So now I'm like, yeah, I can wake up at nine. What's up? You know, I'm good. Nah, nah, I'm here. Meanwhile, Eldon Ring has ruined my life. Yeah, it does that.

It's just, I was going to, I tried to go to bed at a reasonable time yesterday. And I was like, all right, finish streaming, mind you, I'd been streaming 10 hours of Eldon Ring. So I was like, I'm all Eldon Ringed out. I was like, I'm gonna get a good night's sleep. I'm like, upper, like, I'm not better, like 1 a.m. And like, my eyes are wide open.

I was like, there's an ice money to get. And I was like, but I can't go. down's desk to boot up my computer. Luckily, I'm sponsored by AIS and I gave me the R-R-G-L-I-X, which luckily has Eldon Ring downloaded on it. This isn't a sponsor. I was like, all right. You said that a little too smoothly.

I'm gonna get this one item. I'm gonna get this one item, and then I look at the clock and it's 3 a.m. I'm like, fuck. Wow. God damn, man. Fuck my life. Have you been situated at least? No, because I've been playing

Metaphorie Fantasia. Oh, God. I was also up till 3 a.m. last night. What the fuck? Oh my god. So we're all very tired for completely different reasons. Joe, you turn 30. This is when you, this is when you meant to like,

I need to like, take aware of it. Yeah, no, you're telling me. I was like, yes, I will, I will be the responsible 30 year old and have a decent to good sleep schedule. And then Atlas was like, hold up. You wanna stay up for this. And I was like, yes, I'm sat. I'm listening.

Cause it's so fucking, I'm already 40 hours in. Holy shit, I'm only three. The game came out four days ago. I'm three hours in. Dude. I just can't stop. It's so good. How is it compared to persona?

Because like, look, I knew it was gonna be good, obviously, because it's Atlas and it's same series director, same character designers, same composer. So it's just a kind of medieval persona. It's medieval persona. It's fantasy persona. But I don't know what it is. I thought Atlas couldn't cook anymore

after persona 5, you know, persona 5 and Persona 3 reload. I was like, damn, they're like, they're just like, it's peak, this is peak JRP. And then they were like, we got one more in us. And they just pulled out, one of the best JRP's I played in a very, very long time. I would dare say better than persona.

There's a lot of racism in that. A lot of racism. First, first two, three hours was like, wow, our country's really racist. And also what was really funny is that, They have this. You have to explain. They have this fantasy book.

That's gonna get taken out of context. They have this fantasy book in this like fantasy world. And the fantasy in this world is like our real world. So it shows like a picture and it's like, it's like buildings and like like, like, you know, real life building is like the modern metropolis. And they're all like, yes, in this fantasy world, racism doesn't exist and everyone gets along.

And there are no wars being waged. And I was just like, is this a metaphor? It's like, oh, that's the name of the game. Is this a, what are you trying to say here? Yeah, I don't want to say. So am I playing in the racist world or the non-racist words? The racist world. Yeah, you're playing the racist world.

Yeah, so it's like, so it's like a lot of fantasy worlds where it's like, there's different races of, you know, species of humans and like anthropomorphs and like all that kind of stuff. And there's obviously like very much like a, oh, you're bad species, you're worse than I am. or like I'm better than you are. And there's like a clear like racist intention of life. So is that, so like what? Okay. Yeah.

So what's the purpose of the non-racist world in this context? So give them something to strive towards. Yeah. Which is our world. So we're, so the goal is trying not to be racist. Yes. So in there.

And how long do how many hours is this game? I think it's estimated to be, it's over a hundred hours I've heard. So it's like a, it's like a personia. I'm 40, like see, I don't wanna say too much because throughout the game, obviously, because you're only three hours in, right? Yeah, yeah, yeah.

So you've only gotten like the baseline. I just wipe check too, yeah. I'm 40 hours in and they've definitely kind of explained a lot more of what's going on. Okay. And obviously, I don't wanna say it because it's good to go into this blind, but there's like, it's not just like, oh, we're a racist world.

Let's strive to not be a racist world. It's not that simple. I'm sure there's some people who argue we would like to still be racist. I mean, yes. In this fantasy world, in this fantasy world, some of those people around. In this fantasy world, there is like an,

an organized, like, religious group that is like, oh, no, we would like to keep it the way it is, thank you very much, because we are on top and these peasants don't deserve to be where we are. Makes you think, huh? Yeah. Although I did find it really funny when they're, like, showing this, like, in, you know, the fantasy book,

which is like the real world, and they're like, in this world, racism doesn't exist, and everybody works on a democracy, and I'm just like, yeah, about that. It's not quite like that. Maybe it's better to keep it as a fantasy culture. Maybe in Japan. But even then, it's like, not too sure about that.

But I get what they're going for, but, you know, obviously. But yeah, there's just so many, oh, dude, there's so many, like, quality of life things that they've improved upon from, like, the persona game, I think that has just made it a lot more interesting. Like-Vosur No. Well, no, it's still that. I mean, the game opens up with, like, a 45-minute cut scene.

I mean, that's fine. I just, do you have to, like, date people and shmooge them? No. Actually, there's no romance in this one. There's no romance, yes, it's good. It's good. But you still can, like, befriend people. So by befriending them, you-

By basically, by befriending them, you unlock different classes that you can use to then switch your characters around. Yeah. So the concept is really cool, and like visually speaking, I don't know how they keep cooking, but it's one of the most beautiful games I've seen.

I mean, I'm just gonna count this as persona six. It is. It is. It is, yeah. It's, what, I saw our Dunkey's video on it this morning. And I think you said, like, It's like they combine persona with persona. Shit, he's right.

But yeah, very good. What do you think of the music in it? Oh, it's so good. I mean, Mika Shogi is like the goat when it comes to like video game composers. And like it's not like the kind of jazzy style that, you know, they had in like the past persona games. It's like very much like fantasy.

But also. As Kevin would say, it's biblical. Oh, it is biblical. Yeah. Yeah, it's... Bro, that battle music where that guy drops bars in Latin or whatever. Yeah, no, no.

Yeah. And I'm just like, what's like, Let's go! I gotta hear this. It's so sick. The battle music for this is so sick. But yeah, I don't know, just like, I think again, like one thing I also really appreciated

is that like it's like not as easy as persona, I would say, because like persona, especially when you compare it to like Shimigami Tensei, like Shimigami Tensei was very like grind intensive or it's like if you don't grind and if you don't strategize going into a battle, then you just get completely like one-shot it. Whereas like persona,

persona is a little more lenient on that, where it's like even if you, even when you're playing in normal difficulty, if you make a little bit of a mistake, you can still kind of recover and learn from it within the same battle without dying. Whereas metaphor refantasia, at least from my experience, is like kind of in between.

So it's not as grindy and difficult as shimmy-gamy Tansay, but also like, I'm at a point now where I need to start grinding a little bit because otherwise I'm going into these battles, I'm getting just fucking one-shot it. Are you playing normal mode? I'm playing normal mode, yeah. Even in normal mode, I'm like, damn,

these battles are actually really fucking tough. And you really have to strategize being like what combination of classes you need to go with because different combination of classes, you can unlock extra skills that you can use together. And some of those skills are like a make or break for some battles. It's like if you don't have a particular set of classes,

you just cannot beat a boss. Yeah. So it's cool. I enjoy it. Yeah. So that's been consuming my life. Oh, well, good luck. And we'll probably continue to consume my life until I finish it.

Well, I'm supposed you already put 40 hours in considering it's only like four days old. I know. And I've been playing like, yeah. The day it came out, I think I played for like 15 hours. Oh my God. Literally woke, I downloaded it the night before. I woke up, played it until night.

I'm bro. So good. Bro's an addict. He doesn't know. Should have streamed it. No, dude, no. You know, more than anything. Those games just don't do well on stream.

That's true. Unfortunately. That's true. Yeah. So I'm doing it. Here's how you can get passive income. Just play video games, but turn on the camera. Turn on the camera.

Yeah, never interact with chat. That's basically what I've been doing lately, the stupid factory game. I'm addicted to. Oh yeah. What's a fun of your game? Satisfactory. All right.

Every time I see Conner, he's like, I gotta play it. Yeah, I went on Twitch one afternoon, and I saw you were playing with mouse, and I was just watching you. You guys were just so locked in. It didn't even, It didn't even look like you were playing a game. It looked like you were doing like a job.

I was, like, it's so bad that I have to like remind myself. I'm like, I haven't blinked in like 10 minutes. I got to blink. It's like, why am I so sore? I feel the burning and I'm like, fuck, I got a fucking blink. Yeah. And yeah, it's a, it's so I thought I was getting myself into a fun little he-he-haha crafting game. Yeah.

It's turned into so much more than that. An addiction. It's terrible. You've seen Factoria? It's kind of like that. Yeah, yeah. First person and fancy, it's ruining my life, totally. I can't do anything else.

All I think about is a stupid fact. I'm literally working like a nine to five after I do the easiest nine to five. Yeah, yeah. It's like, and then I, I get recommended YouTube videos now because obviously I do, I've fallen that deep. Yeah. And every recommendation is either from a German dude

or a guy who is 60 years old. 60. And he's like, yeah, he's called like, I don't know, I think he's like gaming with doc or something. Right, right. Presumably he's a doctor. I don't know.

But he's like, yeah. So I'm just listening to like 50-year-old men tell me how to optimize my factory floor. And I'm like, oh, yeah, shit, that is right. That's smart. It's smart. Like, Dan, didn't think about it like that. I've never thought I would have fun balancing loads.

So that's, you know, because if you mine all, you need to make sure every machine gets a required amount for it. But now I've just unlocked particle accelerators and antimatter. So now I'm- You're going into the fun store. I went from like stone to now I'm like, yeah,

just I've just finished building a nuclear power plant. I'm smashing the atom. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Building a nuclear power plant took so long. So, so long. Is it as easy as you said the other day? It's hard, man. You've to, you've to, yeah, no shit.

Turns out it's really fucking hard. That's why we gave you shit for it. Yeah. Yeah, even in the like easy thing, even in the easy game, it's hard. Yeah. You have to enrich uranium. Yeah.

You don't want to do that. Wow, who would have thought that would be like a difficult thing to do? Oh my God, it's so annoying. I just, yeah, it's the worst. Imagine going home being like, ah, what a fun day. Time to clock in. Like, I mean, I feel like we're all clocking in

in different things, right? There must be someone out there who's like a factory worker in real life and he's like, man, I can't wait to get home and play satisfactory and build another factory. I'm sure there is. I'm sure there is. I built like a train station that ships

cargo in and then like it's fun because you can ride it and you're like, this is sick. This is so sick. And then it just built like a drone port and all ship stuff via drones. And I'm like, this is getting excessive. Like, you're becoming the Amazon now.

Yeah, I am like just destroying this planet. Hopefully for fun, then. We'll find out. Yeah, I always know Connor's actually locked into a game when I see him log on to like, Steam. And I'm like, oh, Connor must be streaming. I go onto Twitch and he was like, oh, Connor's not streaming. Yeah.

He's been on his game. for three hours and he's not monetizing it. It's so bad because like I literally, anytime you get like an hour free, I'll just go in and just fix something. Because stuff always breaks as well. Because maybe like, maybe you made the perfect amount of like let's say a steel factory.

Yeah, yeah. But then later on you forgot about how how your steel factory were. You're like, well actually I need more steel. I've got too much come from this one factory so I'll just route some of it. Suddenly now you didn't do the math correctly because it tells you all the math.

So I'll tell you like this thing is making 30, this thing's making 40. Maybe you took too much. And you're like, okay, shit, I guess I gotta go back to the factory now. But you've already placed all the shit down. So now you're kind of like doing that awkward thing where you're trying to like fix stuff

that you only left X amount of room for and you're like squishing things in and making it all fucked. Yeah, right. And then you're like, ah. Engineering. Yeah, and then I couldn't even, and then this is one factory I have

and it's driving insane because I can't fix it. And I just have to redo the whole thing and I don't want to do that. It's going to take too long. It would take like two hours to redo the whole thing. I don't want to do it like first time. Yeah.

I've had to do it so many times that it mentally exhausts me every time I have to do it. And the thought of having to redo another factory, I'm like, I can't. Just listening to you like say all of that just like brings me back to like my web coding days. And I'm just like, that's just trauma.

It's kind of coding or lightly because you're like, machine one will make like very baby coding. Yeah, like 30. This will make 40. This thing needs 30 of this, 40 of that. So you need to like have to like figure out how many of each machine you need to optimize. I was learning about the pains of legacy stuff, which every company has to deal with.

Except normally I guess you'd be faking someone else's code, except in this case I'm fixing my own fucking problems. My legacy of two hours ago where I fucked it up. Legacy of me fucking. Legacy of me fucking myself. That's what I'm fixing. So that's what I'm doing, but I'm nearly done. I'm on the final, final phase.

I have to just make a bunch of space shit and then I'm done. And then I'm gonna make a four hour YouTube video that it's gonna be all narration. Because most of this footage is just me being like, locking in. Yeah, I realized that I'm, so I wanted to, initially I was gonna record a little bit

and then I give it to Murdan, like 15 hours worth, there's still a lot. And then I was like, I actually, I think I should just beat the fucking game. Because I wanna beat the game because I'm addicted. Yeah. And I think it'll make a better video. Yeah, yeah. Meil's gonna kill me when he sees how many

files there are. And it's not even like usable for each other. A lot of it's not. But I think the one benefit is that, I don't know if I'm gonna feel the same, but I can, I could see what I'm building in the footage. I'd be like, you can skip two hours ahead until I'm done.

I'll just, I'll say, I'll say five seconds in voice over what I did. Yeah. You don't need to show this. I'll just, I think it'll very, very quickly be chopped down into like, and then I built this. And then I built this, by the way, that was nine hours of work in five seconds.

Yeah, yeah. Like, God damn. Yeah. Speaking of games, speaking of games with like long tutorials, but for metaphor as well, we played a game with a really long tutorial. Oh yeah, we had to Gloomhaven. We played another board game.

I'll share it. So, to put things in perspective, when Daedus went to England, he talked about one thing. And this thing was this mythical board game called Gloomhaven. Okay, I love the name already. Yes. Because we played Slater Spire.

Really enjoyed that. And that is like, yo, let me sell you on this thing called Gloomhaven. And I'm like, say no more, I'm already sold. Proceeds to go on a two hour rant about, okay, so we were on his road trip for two hours. Within five minutes I was sold. He continues for two hours.

Trying to sell me on a game that I already was okay playing. Oh my God, this is the most Ditis ass-looking game. We're playing Gloomhaven, Jaws of the Lion, which looks quite different from a couple of these. Which is a little different, which is like the baby version

of Gloom-Havening. Right. Which if we didn't have the baby version of Gloomhaven, I think we'd... That's the baby version? This is the baby version. Look how many pieces there are. Yes, I know.

This is a baby version of Gloom Haven. Holy shit. So I don't think we would have been able to play this if we didn't play the Slay of the Spyboard game that we previously played, because this one was on a complexity on another level. I don't think it's that complex, but there's just so much information

that you just have to like ingest. Yeah. I'm looking at this and I'm like, what, what is anything? It's like, what is anything? Yeah, it's like, it's like Warhammer with like, D&D a little bit. I think the best way to explain how it was was that it was D&D, but it had already chosen the character. Right. Yeah.

And so it's kind of like the story you're going on. Well, not actually, it's kind of like, D&D in the sense of like you have this character, we'll have roles, we'll have your battles, but like all the character stuff is predetermined and all that basically how you- Right, right. Yeah, yeah, yeah. So they definitely hold your hand through the game,

but it's kind of got, it's got a very simple, similar battle system to basically every RPG out there. Borders Gate, yeah, borders gate, or if you played any JRP, it's a similar turn-based battle system. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Basically, it was basically a fire emblem for me, except the tiles were hexagonal. Right, right.

The difference is playing on a tabletop game, playing an RPG system on a tabletop game, it just takes way more fucking time. Oh yeah. Because you don't realize how much the computer works out every, like so many, little details. In Fire Emblem, it's like they calculate how much damage you're gonna do,

like, you know, the chance to miss and everything, but like I guess with this one, you gotta do it all manually. Yeah, yeah, you gotta do it all manually. Oh my God, that's gonna take a lot. With all the same systems, right. But it's a lot, it's a different experience, but is that definitely a lot fun of being more involved with it?

I mean, you sold me when you said Fire Emblem, so I'm just like, say less. It is basically Fire Emblem, that's what I found when I was playing this game, just tabletop style. Right. We played for like a good six hours or so. We went through three missions.

We didn't even meet the tutorial. We didn't be the tutorial. It took us two hours to set up the boards. Yeah, because, because, Dom, watched like a two and a half hour video explaining the game and then he rocked down, he was like, I don't really know

how to set this stuff. Because he was like, he was like, I played this before, I played it before, so I was like, okay, normally for this type of game, because you, it was you would slay the spy where you need someone to just like guide, through the game. So we were all like, all right, Didas is just gonna guide us through the game.

And he was like, I don't remember, I don't remember shit. I played in college. And he was like, all right, he turns up. And he was like, all right, boys. I think it's easier just to watch this YouTube video explaining it and we're like, how long's the video? And he's like, all right, there's this guy who goes on really, explains everything really quickly and we're like,

how long's the video? Like 30 minutes. I was like, oh, 34 minutes. 34 minutes. Oh my God. by the one, my God. Part one of five. Yeah.

So, yeah, we, we got into it. And I think the, almost, I think it almost worked out worse because he had so much knowledge of this game. But the game kind of introduced it in a more linear way that was almost a bit better because it didn't introduce certain mechanics. Right. And Dynus was like, I know this mechanic. And then it turned out the game was like, actually don't, don't use that yet.

So it's kind of actually kind of confusing. But there was a lot of stuff to keep track of, and it became a lot more easier as we went. Yeah. But it's still very complicated. But it's a lot of fun. I mean, box is pretty good. I don't think it's complicated per se.

I just think there is, like you said, a lot to keep track of. But if you've played like a RPG battle system, turn-based battle system, a lot of these concepts are the same. Like you have like your speed where you know, everyone has a certain speed for every attack, and then you figure out the speed, and then you figure out the speed, to the enemies and if there are multiple enemies,

then you kind of like, then you kind of like have to figure out, okay, for this turn, this person goes first and this person, this person, this person. All this is done in like a microsecond when you're playing on the computer. When you're like just, even though that's, that's a simple concept, because it is a simple concept, when you have like eight pieces, eight different characters,

for every turn to figure out, okay, who goes first? Who goes first? Okay, this is the turn order. Now let's decide on what attack we're doing for this turn. It's a lot. It's really fun though. But it was- It sounds fun, yeah.

It was super fun. And I just need to put away six hours to learn how to play it. Yeah, I kind of realize my, it's, you know, with Slater Spire and this, I guess we're slowly starting to get into tabletop games. I kind of, like, before I'd be like, I'd hear people were into tabletop games. They'd be like, oh, we'd be playing for like six or eight hours. I was like, how the fuck I play a tabletop game for six to eight hours? Yeah.

Because I've only played like, you know, stuff like risk, you know, very, very simple table top games. And then you introduce something like this, which is a totally different kind of like complexity. But it's super fun just to get actually like immersed in the game. Oh, yeah, for sure. And super evolved. I mean, if you couldn't get immersed in it, then I don't think anyone would sit around for six to eight hours to playing, you know? No. No.

I think there's like 25 missions there and did three. Yeah. I imagine it would speed up a lot, the more we get going. Yeah. Yeah, well, I mean, it was most, if not all of you's first time playing it, right? So I think that's where it just dragged a little bit. But if you're playing with like, you know,

five people who've played it, of shit load, I'm sure it goes way faster. But even still, that's a long game. Yeah, because the first five levels are tutorials. And it's just like metaphor, it's here. Yeah, yeah, yeah. The first five levels are all tutorials, introducing you to like all the new mechanics.

And then after the tutorial, they're like, Okay, now you can play the game. The worst part is when you're like, what's this rule about? And then like you just cannot find a definitive answer to something in the book and you're like, I'm gonna fucking lose it. Yeah.

Cause that's what it was like, you know, if we didn't have Pete when we did our magic night at one time to just guide us through all like all the different terminology in terms of like, what does this term mean for this magic cards? Like every five seconds someone in the room was just like Pete. I realized that like if you don't play magic,

some of those cards felt like very hard to interpret That's why I kind of stopped playing a lot of like TCGs, especially like Yu-Gi-Oh, like, you know, early Yu-Gi-o was like quite simple to understand, even for someone who was playing it for the first time. Nowadays, though, like, you look at like a, a Yu-Gi-a card, like, made recently from, like, a recent deck. The text is so fucking small because there's just, like, 17 things you can do with this one card,

and you just, they're like, like, that way. I don't understand most of this, and I don't know how to use it. And then you combine that with fucking, you know, however many cards in a deck. and you're like, where do I even begin? How do I even begin to learn how to play this if I'm not playing with someone who knows how to play? Yeah, I'm wondering how long TCGs, like how long the game of like as TCG

like goes now comparative to like when the early days of TCG, when I'm sure like it depends how good and or shit you are. That's true. I'm watching a YouTube video about the Yuki-o band list cards. And it was only like 20, whenever it came out, like two years of banned cards. And it was two hours long.

Yeah. And the guy wasn't like talking about it for long. He wasn't talking about each card for long. I was like, this is an insane amount of bans for a game. And I was like, God damn it. Yeah. Rounds in Yu-Gi-Trading games are 40 minutes long. Holy, that's a league game. Yeah.

That is a league game. That sounds about right. Yeah. But like I remember when I was, I first played Yu-Gio, or I was first playing Yu-Gio, like a regular game would maybe go on for like, I don't know, what felt like 10, 15 minutes maybe? Because there aren't that many things you can do with a single card. But now you have like fusions and like even more like convoluted sacrifices and stuff like that.

I'm just like I don't know how you can sit there for 40 minutes and do all this. Yeah, well also it depends on like how long the card game has been in existence for. Oh yeah. I'm sure like power, you know, Power creep is definitely a thing. Like I'm wondering how can you search of how long the average one piece card game takes? Because that's just like just launch right? Yeah. Because that was made I think by a guy who was one of like the original

guys who made Yu-G-G-G-Mose game, most skilled plays 10-10. 10-Don? What's 10-Don? I don't know what that means. The fuck- You know. I don't know. I don't know what that means.

In the One Piece card game, we don't have turns. We have don't. We have don't. I'm guessing that's turns, right? They go, wait, hold on. They go for fairly long. Many turns after all 10 dons are out. What's a don?

Maybe around. Probably, probably, uh, maybe. Probably, I'm gonna guess it's a turn. What the fuck is it? Why don't? Because I've been thinking about getting into the one piece trading card game. I've thought about it too. Yeah, it's pretty popular.

Don cards are used to play the cost of using a card. Oh, so it's like manner. Oh, okay, okay. Maybe you gain one manner a turn? I have no idea. No, you're getting one dawn. I'm sorry, one dawn. It's like, I will summon Luffy with my five don's.

Yeah. Yeah, I've looked into the one piece card game, because especially recently in Japan, It's gotten so big. Like, it's one of the most popular TCGs right now. What was the most popular card game? Well, what is the most popular card game in Japan? Right now?

Yeah. I think it's the One Piece card game, actually. What was it before? Magic. Uh, Pokemon. Wow. Yeah. For a while, well, actually, it's kind of, there's like a top three,

which has always been like Yu-Gi-O, Magic, and Pokemon. But then recently, yeah, the One Piece card game's going really big. Dual Masters is really big as well. Weiss Schwartz is really big, too. And, Yu-Kio is still really big. Yeah, Yu-Gio is still one of the top ones. Pokemon's number one. Yeah, Pokemon, I don't think.

Wow, Doolmasters is number three. That's crazy. I'm surprised. I, yeah, I didn't know Yu-Gio is still-Gi-Ohz-Shazes more popular than magic in Japan. Wow. That's wild. Is this just Japan?

Yeah, yeah. Okay, okay. I mean, Japan generally loves home brands. Yeah, home brands, of course. And has a tendency for it. Yeah, one piece is already fourth now. Yeah. Above Magic.

That's crazy. Yeah. Holy shit. What even is dual masters? Dolemasters? I think I've heard it a bunch, but I've never like actually seen it. It's kind of like Yu-Yo, but it was-

That's one, that's why my impressions was. Seeing- Yeah, it's basically, I played a little bit of dual masters when it came out. I was in like primary school, I think, when it was like, when it first started. And it's, yeah, it's very similar to Yu-Gio, but I never got into it enough to like figure out how to play it. I collected some of the cars,

because they looked cool. And also there was a manga for Doolmasters, I think, similar to Yu-Gio. That was like very big. Everything about this looks like Yu-Gi- Yeah. Yeah. Oh, yeah, yeah, the very right one on the top row, that's the manga that I read when I was a kid.

I always wondered, was it Yu-Giol that basically popularized the meta for trading card game hair? Yes. For some reason, for every time I would see an anime, or, you know, you can tell when an anime comes from a trading card game. Yeah. Because they always have the same fucking hair. No, one million percent it was because of Yuji. Yugi's hairstyle was the like beginning of like

if you play a trading card game, your hair needs to be fucking unbelievable. Yeah. It's just doesn't even matter if you're Ugui-Gioregios. Doesn't even matter if your Yu-Giore. You need to have this kind of like wacky hairstyle. You need to have a hairstyle that will give hairdressers all of the world an aneurysm just looking at it just being like what the fuck is going on? Cosplayers are just like, no, please no. I don't want to. I don't want to. I don't want to. But, yeah, Gleamhaven was a lot of fun. Yeah, I wanna play it now. Yeah, yeah, yeah.

I know it sounds crazy after hearing that there's a six hour tutorial, but it's up my alley. We gotta finish our 25 mission. Yeah, you finish your game first. Hopefully by then, I would- Two years from now, we'll try it. Okay, two years.

Easy. I'll learn how to play it by then. You gotta get your board game table. I do, yeah, I want a board game table. Oh yeah, you gonna get that soon? The Procedee board game table? Yeah, I wanna get it so bad. Oh man. Because I asked Proz-D, I was like,

because, you know, he's like the board game guy. Yeah. I was like, what is your like top five, like kind of longish, but not like too long? You know, like basically like full day games. Yeah. He sent me a list and I was like, huh, Dune. There's a Dune board game.

Like the book. Yeah, type in Dune Imperium. Apparently like it's a very, very good board game. And, wait, is this the one? Dune Imperium. Second one. Yeah. But then I looked there.

and it said it was quite complicated. It said three out of five complexity. Meanwhile, I think like Slater Spire was like two. Is serious? That was a two? Playing time 60 to 120 minutes. That always means you double it is what I've learned. Yeah. Whatever that says, you double that.

So it'd be about two to three hours. I think you like fight for spice against each other, I think that's not. Oh, that sounds super fun. Is it a game that uses deck building to add a hidden information angle to the traditional worker placement? What does that mean?

This all makes sense if you play a lot of board games. What does that mean? What I've learned is that they have so much, like, lingo that is like absolutely, you can't understand. I've never read a beginning sentence to, that introduces something, and I'm like, what does that mean? We're just fine for the spies.

All right. Yeah, I think there's, like, resource management, and I think you have to, I don't know. It seems complicated as far. It sounds like talking points, you know. Oh, my God, yeah. Whenever you do, you do, you do it. you describe a game, you're like, yes, this is a action RPG,

open world and I'm like, okay, this is, this is just like all, it's like describing music genres. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, right. Look at those little like, bangs, look at all this. Holy shit. This looks complicated. That looks really complicated. Then another one he told me about was,

I think Project Zomboid, I think you can search it in the same website. Project Zonboid. I think it's Project Zonboid, am I crazy? Wait, for reference, how long does the game of Monopoly say it takes on there? That's a good point. Yeah, we'll- Look up Monopoly. Look up Monopoly, I think it was.

Yeah, Monopoly. 1935. Holy shit. Sure, just did that one. Yeah. So that's the classic one. OG Monopoly. That's a fucking lie.

That's assuming everyone knows how to play Monopoly and you rip, you know, you start it up. It doesn't know how to play Monopoly though. Yeah, but like that's what I'm saying. Like if everyone knew how to play Dune, you know what I'm sure our game would be fast because no one's gonna know. Yeah, if everyone knew how to play Gloom Haven.

It wouldn't have taken Can you finish a game of Monopoly in 60 minutes though? Of course you can. Yeah. Question is, what was it? I just saw when you started a monopoly, there was gay monopoly. What?

Did you see that? Gay monopoly? Oh yeah, gay monopoly. No, no, no, go back, go back, go back. Yeah, that's one of the 193, Gaye Monopoly. Sure. What the fuck?

180 minutes. There is no lower end on game. Oh wow, that's really game monopoly. Oh, wow. Oh wow. Yo, I want this. That's sick. Wait, what do you buy?

Do you buy like the YMCA? I don't know. What? That sounds. Oh my God, look at that fucking dumb truck on that dude. I like how there's like, there's no 60 minutes in this one. It's at least 120. This is a, this is a strand type game.

Yeah, yes. You're gonna want to lock him. The Venn-Diana Award for Outstanding Service to Houston Gay Community. What is this? Oh my God, we need to play this. What? We need to play this.

I don't believe this exists. Oh my God, I want this. Holy shit. Oh, God. For hire. Oh, shit. I mean, I guess it is from 1985. Yeah, yeah.

This, I mean, this looks like an, I mean, at this one is an antique, right? Oh, yeah. Yeah. It's a 40-year-old game. Yeah. Fun, that's scary to think. I love it. Look at the dump truck on the dude on the right.

Holy shit. I like what the boards are circle. Yeah, not a square. I like the square board. Am I crazy? Yeah, yeah. I don't know. The circle looks weird.

I'll be honest. I'll be honest. Oh, is it because in a square it's straight? Joey. Did I figure it out? That's not me. Did I figure it out? We don't make assumptions here.

That might actually be in. Let's not make assumptions here, Joe. I found this out. Did you know there was a Blood-Born board game? No. Did you know? And it's like a, actually I've watched like board game reviews talk about board games.

And it's like an in-joke because of the amount of like plastic in it. Wait, wait, look at our blood-born. You can go to the same website you're on Game Monopoly. This is just like, just like, just type of like BloodBorn. Yeah. The board game, 2021. It's kind of like- There's also a card game?

Yeah. Yeah. So, Strzold-Fat- Like, try and, like, get a picture of... Because I went to this gaming bar and they had a... They had a Dark Souls board game as well. Really?

Oh, sick. This actually looks dope. Apparently, this isn't the first Souls-type board game. I don't know how you play it. I don't know if it's as hard as a Solz game. Yeah. I don't know, but the figures are cool. There's like hundreds of them, apparently.

Dude, that looks sick. Whoa. Apparently, the box is huge. Yeah. I bet. It's like the entry points to something like Warhammer. Yeah, yeah, pretty much. Because I never understood what Warhammer was growing up.

Yeah. And my brother-in-law recently just go into Warhammer. And I'm like, do you play the game or do you just collect the figurines? And it seems like, well, I think I know the rules of the game, but he just spends most of his time painting figurines. I think it's like quite therapeutic too long. Yeah.

Yeah. Well, I assume it's like gunplay or something like that. I guess it's also the equivalent. to like, you know, people who collect Pokemon cards but don't actually play the Pokemon game. They just wanna collect the card, aka, moa. Yeah, do you know how to play the Pokemon? I know how to play the game, yeah.

But I don't collect them to play the game. I collect them because they just look cool. Would you ever bring out your binder if you were, if someone's like, I wanna play a game, Pokemon with you. Oh, hell yeah. Dude, I have a deck binder. Oh, you do? I do. I do have a deck finder. You have your own Pokemon deck?

Yeah, I have my own decks, yeah. Okay. Yeah. I have like, I have a massive stack of like dupe boxes that I have, which I probably have over like 2,000 cards. I was curious to see like what the most complicated board games were and bro. You may as much get a PhD. I think on this website they rank them,

like the most complicated board. What is the most complicated board game? I can't remember what it was, but I remember it was, I was trying to like understand a YouTube video of it and I just couldn't, like I couldn't wrap my head around it. Advanced squad leader. Okay, it's got an eight though.

Rise and decline of the Third Reich. Whoa. Can you open it? Like what complexity ready is you do? 4.3. 4.3. Jesus, look at that map. Look at that map.

Look at the map on the fucking pictures. At this point, are you actually just reenacting World War II? Oh my God! What's happening? This is actually just what the war was like, you know? Yeah. You're just playing real history here. Holy shit.

Oh my god. Oh my, look, I, dude, those pieces are tiny as well. Oh my God, I just saw the pieces. I didn't even see those. Yeah. Yeah, that's the, some people love this kind of, these camp to games, but this is a bit much for me. Yeah.

So much, well, all of them war games? I don't know. Advanced quality of Starfleet battles, Car Wars, the campaign for North Africa, the Desert War, 1940. Yeah, they're all war games. Europa. Well, I assume it's just-

Not magic realm. Oh yeah, that's a newer one. Click that one. Yeah. Because a lot of those games seem very old. Yeah. 4.56. 4.56.

The Grand Daddy of complex RPG-style board games with 16 unique characters from 1979. And I see the- Yeah, let me see the pictures. Oh, God, I can already tell. It's fucked. Oh, it's got like a build-your-own. Personal history pad. Look at that spreadsheet.

Oh my God. Oh my God. Oh my God. I mean, you know, props to people who can like make these games, but yeah, fuck me, man. That's, that's a lot. Yeah. Oh, my, bro. I was trying to find out of like the most modern complex game was. Because like these all seem like they were born out of more so the time not having the ability to have like, yeah, stuff. Yeah. Yeah. Maybe a little easier. Well, this just comes straight out of like the D&D stuff, right? That's literally like my chemistry homework. It's like the most complex video game, you think? Like, in terms of what mechanics and stuff? Or just like how to play? How to play, complexity, I guess. I don't know, it's-

Minecraft. Minecraft, yeah, can get pretty complex. The most complex game? You can make computers straight up in Minecraft and stuff, so program, was the guy, programmed Pokemon? Yeah, yeah, yeah. I guess, I guess- He also programmed a working mobile phone. That's right, yeah.

Where he like called himself in the game. Are you serious? Yeah, yeah. You never seen this video? No. It's literally like a, like you can turn right, turn into a functioning working computer. Like it works like transistors.

Okay, so you just make transistors and you just basically make a touring computer. Oh, it's Captain Sparkles. Oh, shit, okay, okay. But I think it had videos somehow. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. He Face-Times himself in Minecraft. That's insane.

Yeah. It's actually crazy what people are able to make. This is that guy. This is like computer programmers going like, oh, what do I want to do my free time? Let's just program again, just in Minecraft. This is what I do in my free time. Yeah, here we go.

Oh my God, that's insane. He calls himself in the game. That's crazy. He did this eight years ago as well. Oh my God. So imagine what people can do now. Eight years, 16 million views though. I'm sure there are more complex.

I'm sure there are more complex games, but I think what you can do in Minecraft is pretty impressive. Yeah. I mean, I always like, you know, seeing hearing games like Eve online, It's always more interesting to hear, like, the stories about what goes on into the game. I guess that's complex because of more so personal relationships, complex, right? As opposed to, like, the in-game itself.

But I guess the game allows for it, right? Yeah, yeah. Yeah, also, what's the metric of, like, complex? Are we talking, like, the button inputs are complex or, like, the mechanics are complex? Because I feel like, I don't know, it's different for different people, right? Yeah, I mean... Because if we're talking, like, button inputs being complex, like, quop is fucked. Yeah, because, like, maybe, like, keeping track of...

of all your World of Warcraft cool downs is too complex, but maybe dealing with like the interpersonal relationship of like 400 people on Yves Online is maybe okay for you. Yeah. You know, like someone else might find that too overwhelming, right? So I guess it's whatever you, personal. What does the internet say?

So the answer is gone. Super Meat Boy, Contra. Yeah, these are most difficult games. Battle toads. That's just for that one, uh, just for that one level. Yeah, the water, the jet ski level that has, fucking not one of the most difficult. But some people it is.

Ghost and Goblins. Also difficult. Bloodborne. Demon souls. Yeah. Mega Man 9. Did you play a bit of Sekira? Is that the most, is that more difficult than the Eldon Ring when you played it? I felt like it was. But I've only played a couple of hours. But I definitely recall it being harder. But that also might be because I didn't get that far in it. Yeah. I don't know, I don't know if this is a hot take, but is Eldon Ring that difficult?

What's for me? Was it like a difficult game for you? Because like the most difficult, I'm about halfway through the game now. And the most difficult boss I fought was the very first boss, the Tree Sentinel. That was the hardest one for a long time. Yeah, yeah.

Some of the bosses later get really dumb. Okay, okay, okay. Because I... But if you face tanked the Tree Sentinel, most of them are fine. Most of them. Yeah, that five hour training arc just went hard because there has been no other boss

that has come close to touching Right. That first thing is that one you can't get it like two hits. You don't have heels, you know, you can't really get hit. Yeah, exactly. Yeah, I can't remember what, like, what is like a difficult turn base game? Difficult turn base game? Yeah.

Honestly, the most, I think like the Yu-G game is like really fucking difficult, especially like the Game Boy one. I forgot the name of it, but the Game Boy U-Go-T-G game, Like some of the later levels apparently are considered like fucking impossible. Just because like this difficulty spike just jumps up so hard. I played the Ukio Forbidden Memories.

Forbidden Memories, yeah, yeah. And that one was fucked. Yeah, forbidden memories is considered like one of the hardest Ukio games. Just because like... I think it's because like one of the hardest games of all time. Yeah, I think so.

It's kind of fucked up because you have to beat like a bunch of these characters and then you have to beat a like seven boss gauntlet and then like the second, the last two bosses, no matter what card you place face down, they can see it. Yeah.

So it's just like... It's just unfair. Yeah, it's just straight up unfair. Yeah. And I, the only reason I beat it so I had a mod, but... Another hard aspect of that game is that you only get one card dropped and you pretty much have to get like a couple of cards that have like 0.1% drop. Yeah, yeah.

So it's pretty much like the biggest fuck you. And I'm not really sure if they ever expected kids to be able to beat this. Yeah. I mean, I played it as a kid as well. as a kid as well and I didn't even get close to coming to like the final seven just because like it's fucking hard. Yeah, it's kind of ridiculous. Like I was just like, I just wanna like be like Kyber

and just like play my Blue Eyes White Dragon and the game's just like, uh, no, actually you're going to have a traumatic experience and you're not gonna be able to beat this kid. Yeah, the stream run world record used to be like 20 something hours. Yeah, and then now, because some people got like insane R&G, it's down to like four I think.

Yeah, yeah, I saw the whole video. Yeah, it's, oh wow. It's an hour now. Well, there's, well, there's the, well, I don't know what kind of category, I think. Any percent is two and a half hours. It's still crazy. Yeah.

What's the 100%? Oh my God. Three days. Three days. For a speed run. For a speed run. And with no R&G. Yeah.

Oh my God. I don't think like anyone's been beaten. Yeah. Tried. Well yeah. I mean the last one was a year ago. Someone attempted. Ten years ago.

So it tried and took seven days. That must have been the first record. That's crazy. Yeah. Only Americans can attempt this. Yeah, they're all Americans. Oh no, no, no, I'm sorry, no, I'm looking at the platform. Yeah, yeah.

I did the same thing. Damn, why is it only Americans? That's still a lot of Americans though. I mean, I think normally speed runners are American. Yeah. Mostly Americans. But then you see the odd European represent. Yeah, true.

You guys been watching or playing anything else recently? Fuck, I wish. Yeah, I wish that's not. I wish. I wish, wish I could come here and tell you I've had like a cool time experiencing some really cool games. No, no, I'm building the fucking factory going.

That's all like done with my goddamn. I'm going through the tutorials. I'm 40 hours in and they're still bringing new mechanics. I recently finished the X-Men animated series. Oh yeah. Have you watched that? I haven't started that yet, bro. It's so good.

I was surprised at how hard it went. Really? Yeah, yeah, yeah. I've only heard good things about it. Yeah, because. Some twist, you're like, what the fuck? Because, so X-Men 97, the animated series, I don't remember if that's the name,

but it's a direct sequel to the actual cartoon that came out in the 97, right? So I can't remember shit. Did you watch the original X-Men cartoons? You never watched it. I never watched it. I watched the original X-Men cartoons. Like, not, I don't, I didn't watch every episode,

but it was one of those, like, Saturday morning cartoons. So I went into it being like, I, this is a bold movie, to make a sequel to a 20 plus year old series that I barely remember anymore. But they did such a good job at keeping the same energy as Saturday morning cartoons

while also making it accessible to newbies as well. I didn't know shit about it. Yeah. So you don't have to watch the original to get into this, right? No, you kind of get what happens. But it's, one thing that really impressed me is they kept like, they somehow kept the campiness.

I don't know how much you, how many like Saturday morning cartoons but they kept like the campiness of like Saturday morning cartoons without making it feel cringy or cheesy. And yeah, I was surprised. Some of this, it has like some of the best characterizing I've seen in like a very, very long time. They made Cyclops a fucking likable character and I did not give a shit about Cyclops most of the time.

Yeah. Magneto is such a good character as well. It's so good. Yeah. It's actually gonna like dark and depressing at times too. Right. Yeah. It's really well done. Oh.

I wish I wasn't expecting because I thought it was gonna be a Saturday morning cartoon. Yeah, yeah, yeah. And then I'm like, shit, why am I like sad? But it made me realize how much cool of the X-Men are than like most superheroes. Yeah. Right.

And these powers are sick and this storylines are awesome. It's way cooler than normal Marvel shit. Yeah. But it makes me, it makes me, It makes me wonder, like, what Saturday morning cartoons did you guys watch growing up? A lot of cartoon network. And is that like, is Saturday morning cartoons?

Is that a 90s thing? I would say, I would say for a lot of people, at least in our generation, like the 90s, there was a lot of peak in the 90s. Yeah, there was. I just, I remember saying, I saw this tweet, and it was like, it was a black guy, and there's a bunch of like people screaming running out of a bar.

And he's on a video and he's going, what, I can't believe everyone left because they just turned off Ed, Ed, Ed and Eddie. And everyone's screaming. I don't know what the context. I don't know what the context is. I think he's like making shit up. But like, everyone's like running out of this bar

and fighting and shouting. Yeah. And he's just like, I can't believe they turned off Eddett. Or like, it was something like, it was something like that. Or like they canceled it. That's so funny.

I fucking love. I mean, Ed, Ed, Nett, Nett is peak. Ed, Nett. was probably my favorite. It's so good. It was so good. Edd-Nedy, Texas Laboratory as well.

PowerPuff Girls. Oh yeah, PowerPuff Girls was back in the day as well. Yeah, I mean, that era of Carton Network was just fucking goaded. Did we go to Cartoon Network online? They had like games. Yeah. I used to spend all day playing. I used to play the fucking Kids Next Door game.

Dude, that game was so good. I remember I could never beat it. Not me neither. It was so hard. Yeah, could the code name Kids Next Door game was so good. Wait, this is gonna be a nostalgia here. Yeah, that one.

Oh shit. Ah, dude. It was a fucking flash game. It was so good. It was so hard. It's so hard. I don't think I ever beat it. Me neither.

I think I got close, I remember. Also, the courage game was really scary. Is that one we used to play a tennis with the cat and the pyramid? Yes. Yeah. Yeah, fuck, how do you remember that? I have this, like, I remember that, like,

I got, like, terrified of courage as a kid. Oh, yeah, it's scary. Paraphobia. Yeah, ferrophobia. There's a bunch of games, I think. Yeah. Courage was so good, man. Courage is so good.

I loved courage. What a game. It, like, it, like, it made me think, right? Because I look back, you know, growing up in the 90s, I look back, and I look back on, like, decades previously. I'm like, damn, the 80s seems so cool, like the 70s or the 60s. That seems so cool.

Do you think people look back at the 90s and think, damn, that was a cool fucking decade. I think nowadays that we've gotten to that point now where we have a entire generation that was born in the 2000s that look fondly on the 90s, which is like this period that they've only heard about, right? So it's like it's basically we have a generation of kids now that look back in the 90s, the same way us 90s kids look back at the 80s. Because that feels so weird to think about it, you know? You see all these kids like being like, yo, fucking 90s like cartoon network just seemed like, it's so like vintage and like cool. And we're just there like, we grew up on that shit. Yeah, I was thinking about it. I was like, what was, what is cool about 90s culture?

I was thinking about what even is 90s culture? And I think maybe like blockbusters, is that 90s culture? Saturday morning cartoons. I feel like it's peak 90s. I think it's the whole like kind of Y2K look of like old internet. Right. I think that whole old internet thing now has become an aesthetic. Right, right.

And it's like, and kids look at that and like, you know, kids today, like Gen Alpha, look back at things like MSN and being like, yo, that's vintage and sick. Like, AOL? Yeah, they're not. No, AOL, they look at AOL and they're like, yo, that's so Y2K, that's crazy. See, I think 90s right now is in this weird period where I think most people look back and think 90s, that's cringe. At least, at least, nah, do they not?

Did they not? Nineties was sick. You're only saying that because you, you're born to. experience that. You're born in the way. But like I think in the same way, like, I'm sure that if we ask someone who was like an 80s kid, right, or even like a 70s kid and you talk to them being like,

yo, the aesthetics in the 70s and 80s looks so sick. I'm sure there are some people who are like, really, it's not that cool. But they're only saying that because to them, that was normal, right? Yeah, because I was, you know, you, since we lived in that era, I think about it and I was like, oh, like my gut reaction was,

there wasn't really anything unique about 90s college, right? And the more I think about it, the more I think, maybe there was, you know, because I was thinking, what is, I was trying to think, okay, when I look back at the 80s and 70s and 60s, there seems to be something that very much defines those decades, right? And maybe you can argue that with 90s culture, but I was thinking what really defines, let's say 2000s cultures

or 2010 cultures? But that's a whole, that's been a whole decade, right? What's 2000s culture? What defines 2000s culture and what defines 2010 culture? It doesn't feel that unique. Yeah, I don't know. I think like, it's, I just don't think there's been enough time and there hasn't been that like generational switch yet.

Yeah. To see enough to be able to look back on it. Yeah. You know, I feel like you literally need an entire, at least generations worth. So that would probably be like what, maybe 30 years. Yeah. You need at least like a 30 year gap to really see like, oh, okay, that back then that we grew up on, the kids today are looking at and being like, yo, that's so like cool.

because that's something that I'd never, like the whole fact that like, you know, say like the vapor wave movement became like so big amongst like kids today. Holy shit, I completely forgot about that. Dude, vapor wave is just, that's all 90s shit. And kids today look at that and be like, that's fucking vintage and sick. And we're looking at it's like-

Well, look at Citipop, right? Yeah, or like Citipop. Yeah. You know, like that, if you think about it. Yeah, that's 80s, right? But like, you know, if you are someone in the 80s, especially in Japan, right, who was around in the 80s when Citipop was a thing,

they'll just be a, like, that's, there's nothing special about that. That's just the music we grew up with. Can you such a what defines 2000s culture? I got tickets to Tatsuri-a-Mashda again. Oh, fuck yeah. I need to join you on that this time. Dude, I'm so hyped, I can't wait.

Man's a fucking genius. Yeah, what culture was the 2000s? Yeah, see, the rise of the popularity of the internet. So again, it's like, it's kind of, it overlaps a little bit. So the 2000s, the Y-2K, it's called the Y-2K moment. But the Y-2-K shit is all like old internet. So it's like the beginnings of the internet,

the beginnings of like social media and just like people coming together on the internet to like make, like, okay, the fucking Myspace aesthetic, that's 2000s. I get like super nostalgic for like the thought of like logging in and like talking. You know what I mean? Like when you like, because when you had to go to bed

you're like, I gotta log out now. Yeah. You wouldn't be able to come back on until like 5pm the next day. Yeah. And that was always like so fun. Yeah. Dude, I missed that.

Exactly. But nowadays it's like you can message anyone at any time. Dude, that was so fun though. Well, I feel like the more the time goes on, because the reason I thought about it, the more the more of the time goes on, the more I feel like everything is just like homogenized. Back then you go on a website and everything,

everything had its own like aesthetic and its own like style and you can personalize stuff. And now everything has just become very clean. I don't know how to describe it. I never like customize. So I for one, well, Welcome to the clean road. Oh really?

I loved customizing my MySpace page. I hated it. No, I totally get it. I think it's like, because like, it's this idea of like, now that everybody is so connected on the internet, this whole idea of like counter culture, quote unquote, doesn't really exist anymore.

Because now anybody can access any culture at any time. Whereas like, when the internet was just getting started and before the internet, the only way that you could ever know about like different cultures and different movements that were happening, was by being a part of it, or like interacting with someone who was in that scene.

Yeah. So that's why like Myspace, for instance, in my opinion was like great for that, because it's like you go onto someone's MySpace page and it looks and acts and feels completely different to another person's MySpace page and you're like, oh, okay, what is this? Like I just stumble upon something that's like new and cool and like rogue.

Right. But nowadays, again, because everything's become homogenized and everybody can access anything at all times, there isn't really like a counter, counterculture anymore. It's just like everything is a counterculture now. Everything looks the same, everything feels just a little bit corporate. Yeah, yeah.

It's like, yeah, it's like you're not like, there isn't like a standout scene or standout like group or anything like that as much as there was back in the old internet. And I think it's that aesthetic that a lot of people miss. Yeah, I was talking to some Japanese people about nostalgia and stuff. And I, I asked them, I asked them, I was like,

hey, they've run the same edge as me. I was like, have you used a rotary phone? And they were like, no. And we've been used there since like my granddad. Yeah. I was like, I fucking used one as a kid. We had a rotary phone. I had one of my grandma's house too.

Yeah, I don't know, I remember we had a rotary phone and then got rid of it when I was like nine or ten. So I remember having to do that. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. I literally had those like black, the black rotary phones with the phone on top. And you like pick it up and you did the, weird like a beige one.

Yeah. Of course. But I remember they were like, what the fuck. I started realizing, hi, I bet we, like the tech that we, Japan and Europe had, especially around like 80s, 90s, was so different. Yeah, I'm like, oh yeah. Because I, my first TV that my parents gave me was a hand me down.

Yeah, which I guess is a bad thing in general. It's a hand down to your kid. Right. But they only gave it to me, because it was a black and white, like five inch like monitor, but I was still watch it. Like a CRT? Yeah, like, yeah, yeah. Like it was terrible and it was, yeah,

again, black and white. Yeah. And I remember talking to the, like, I was like, did you ever see like a black and white TV? The same person who means ran, they were like, no, I've never seen a black and white TV. To be fair, I haven't seen a black and white TV. But I would, but, but my hand-me-down TV

that I got was like a fat fucking CRT TV that was like the screen was being like. Yeah, I'm gonna love that, but I was watching fucking TV and black and white. I was watching the dudes. God damn. Because my parents just had this old airs TV. I was like, yeah, I'm from the 90s,

the 1890s. I guess, I guess back in Wales, we literally were living 20 years. I was using fucking rotary phones in black and white TVs. In the 90s, no, early 2000s. That's so funny. I was like, damn, I mean,

I realized now I'm like, damn, my parents kind of shafted me on the tech side. Not that they, not that it mattered at all. Yeah, that'll be like the equivalent of just, like whipping out a Nokia 3310 nowadays. Yeah. I'd be like, I don't have a smartphone. I just got a, I just got a Nokia.

It's like, I've got buttons. Honestly, think about it? People do that. People do that. That's actually kind of sick. Yeah. Imagine someone just whipping out a Nokia, And they're like, there are some people I see today,

even in Japan, that still use flip phones. Yeah. And I look at, I'm like, that's like kind of sick. I don't know why. Oh my God, is that the N-gauge? Or is that something different? Which one? No, I don't think that's the N-Gage.

The game one? The game one. When Nokia tried making a gaming console, bro. I'm wondering how many people remember that reference, by the way. The 3310, what a classic. We did a challenge of you have to use a Nokia. 3.30 for like a week. Oh, easy.

Yeah. Dude, are you kidding me? I get to play snake all day, every day on that little thing. You can't use your normal phone at all? I think I could get by. Or what if you should like, you get like an hour a day? Well, actually, I just wouldn't use Nokia because when's the last one we actually phoned someone? Like, I prefer phone.

I prefer phone. No, no, like actually phoned via a number and not like phoning via a, Oh, so this is interesting as well, because. This is interesting as well because Phoneing VR. This is like a European Asian thing. Right. Because like in America they still call.

People still call each other a lot in America. Yeah. Like the actual numbers. Yeah. Because in Europe we don't do that. No. Everyone uses WhatsApp or normally WhatsApp. I mean, how many times have you used the actual just like texting

directly from your phone without using an app? It's crazy because I realized everyone in America was still using. Yeah, everyone in America does it. In Japan, everyone used line. No, I don't use that. I don't use texting. I can't remember last time I'm actually texting someone. The only time I text on my actual phone

without like line or WhatsApp or anything is when I'm messaging my friends in America. Yeah, I found it so weird that they still use it there. Yeah. The only time I do is when I need to message my bank or something. And they're like, we think your card is fraudulent. Press 1 to make sure that this, all these transactions are you. That's it.

That's a call from line and I know, it's a friend. Yeah. I'm going to call from a number. I'm like, I don't know what the fuck this is. Yeah, yeah. I don't wanna pick up this up. Yeah. Cause there's so many scam callers nowadays as well.

Exactly, exactly. Even on WhatsApp, sometimes, I don't know how my- Do you have WhatsApp scams? Yes. Oh yeah, I get scams on WhatsApp. I don't know how? I got a scam texts from WhatsApp. Yeah, I get scammed text from WhatsApp.

What are you guys doing with your number? That's why this episode's about now, too. I get, like, maybe like once every couple of weeks, I just randomly get a WhatsApp notification. And I don't know that many people on WhatsApp, because again, most of my friends are online or just, you know, text. So, but I have a,

a couple of people that I have just on WhatsApp. And I think every time I hear the WhatsApp thing go off, it's like, do, or you know, whatever the notification thing is. I'm like, oh, my friends message me. And I look at it, it's like, hi, my name is Nicole. I would like to contact you about this job offer you recently looked up for. And I'm like, first of all, who?

Second of all, I'm good. And yeah, I've been getting that so much now. Yeah, only on WhatsApp though. I get it on Skype. I get it on Skype. Okay, the fact you still remember your Skype login. My parents use Skype, so I have to use Skype to talk to them. What?

They don't want to use anything else. I guess better than my dad. They know Skype. They know Skype, they've used it for like 10 years. It's the only thing they're comfortable using. Damn. I think Zoom they can use there as well. Right.

But I hate setting up Zoom. You've got to get them onto line or something. Yeah. Or at least WhatsApp, you know. We do use WhatsApp, but like you can't like video call on PC. Oh, really? A WhatsApp? Maybe you can,

but I don't think they know how to log into WhatsApp on PC. Yeah. You gotta like scan a QR code. Yeah. I think I'm asking too much. Too much.

They're logged in to Skype. They've just come onto to color TVs. If they ever log out, I don't know how I'm gonna get them back here. I could, I reckon if I, that's just, this just sounds like a video idea.

I reckon I could spend a week with the Nokia 3310. I think it would really ground me. I think I would love. It would be like, Wouldn't you think it'd be like a great detox? It would be great. I think the one thing that I would have trouble with

is that I would have to like tell people, hey, I'm just not gonna reply to like a lot of shit for a week. No, I can still reply to shit. Yeah, just go on your computer. Yeah, probably, I'll forget, I forget. Yeah, I get to practice texting again by like, you know, it's like, oh, I need an input a C, press one three times. Do you remember, do you know, text speak?

Yeah, I do. Whatever happened to tech speak? Is that again? Well, we realized it's cringe, being like, thanks you for, and like every, yeah, yeah, for you. Yeah, for you. Like came more out of necessity. Yeah, that's true, that's true.

Oh yeah, because you had to pay for every word that you text. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Not every word, every, uh, 140 characters, I think, right? Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. Yeah, see you later was C-U-L-8R. I remember that shit, that was min-maxing. Oh, man.

Yeah, apparently still use the, A lot of people still use that like keyboard layout, the triple tap. Yeah. Yeah. If you want like B, you do like, yeah, obviously the Japanese script, you do like A, B, B, and then like, in the same, I'm like, this is.

Dude, my cousin still uses that. You go fast with it here. Oh dude. My cousin uses it and I've seen her text her friends. I've never seen a thumb move that fast in my life. It's literally just like, Dhr-R-R-H. I'm like, yo, what the fuck?

How are you texting that fast? It's a different, oh man. It's built diff. They can just, uh, Japanese people, and just like write a fucking novel. And like, yeah, it's wild. That's why there's so many light novels here. I know, light novel is here.

Cause they can just write on their phones, yeah, that's what they're all doing. On the train, when you're on the train and you see random Japanese people just like texting on their phone, you're like, what are they texting? They're actually writing a light novel on the train as you speak. I saw a dude yesterday morning

in Shinjuku Station, very busy, very crowded. He's like this on the phone and he's got his lap. top out talking and like doing work. Right. While walking. Like while walking. While walking through Shidjuku station. And like transferring. I was like this guy's mental.

Man is grinding. I was like that's a level of grind set I can't get on. Like that I've never been that locked in in my life. I can't. He's probably one of those dudes is like, I wake up at 4.30. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Bro, just started this gym arc. It's over.

Have you seen something like the old videos of like stockbrokers on like Wall Street? well they have like five phones just wrapped around. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. And be like, yeah, yeah, we said it, yeah, yeah. And I'm just like, this looks like a parody. Yeah, and it actually is insane that people used to work like that.

Yeah, I look at them and I'm like, oh, okay, I mean, I would also be a co-addyed if I had to work like that as well. Like, I get it. Yeah, that's the only way you can get through. No fucking wonder everyone was wired back then. Yeah, it's like, I would probably have to be as well. Like the, have you seen that old video of, of, what was it, is Robert Danny Jr.?

He's like a really young Robert Downey Jr. And he went to Wall Street just to like see what it was like. And afterwards he was like, this is hell on earth. It's like this is one of the worst places I've been to in my life. I'm not surprised. I would think the same thing as well. Oh my God's crazy. Yeah.

Who decides to work this life. People want that grindset. They want money and they've got the grinds stuff. Yeah. It's just wild. It's just who pops inns and drink white monster energy and lock-in. That's insane, man. Yeah.

Yeah. It's not me now. Is there any trash taste audience members who work in Wall Street? Yeah, yeah, yeah. I would like to know. It's just fascinating. How many hairs are you losing out of the stress?

Yeah, right? I would like to, I would like to know because this looks like the most stressful job. Yeah, how many hair transplant appointments are you going to per week? How many flights to turkey? Yeah. Do you think we as a, like, species

are just getting like less able to spell, the more that we're really, lie on like auto correct and like spell check. I mean, I don't think we already know this is the thing like, especially in like China because they, a lot of people don't, what is it? Because you say the sounds to make the, not how you type out the sound.

Yeah, the character. Yeah, so a lot of people don't know how to write the characters. That makes sense. Yeah. I mean, same thing's happening in Japan as well, I feel. Well, people are just knowing less kanji. Yeah, well, because it's like when you text now,

you just, you write out the Hiragana. and then it automatically converts into whatever kanji it is. So if you gave them a piece of paper, it'd be like, even if you can read a particular kanji, they wouldn't be able to write it. There's something like I can text someone and I don't know if I'm using the right kanji, but I just like typed it out with the Hiragana

and I'm pretty sure this is the right kanji. It's the first one that came up. It's the first one that came up. And normally 95% of the time is the right one. Yeah. Names is very annoying. So like, all right, we pull up the, oh my God, this is the Bible of names.

Like what the fuck? Yeah, if you have like a name like, you know, like call scale or something, it's just like 50 different callskins. And I'm just like, whatever. My bad if I get a wrong OG, but I don't know which one, I don't know which one of these you are. Like I've know I've failed when I know the word I want to say.

And then I type it out, I just so horrendously wrong that even Google doesn't be like, did you mean this? You know what I mean? Yeah, I have that sometimes. I'm just like, I have failed as a human being. It's like you start to like, to like sound it out and you're just like, I think it's this and then Google was just like,

what the fuck did you just write? I have a spell checker on, right? But like sometimes the spell checker doesn't work because it just doesn't show up. Right. And I'll know it's wrong because I know I spot the word wrong, but I can't tell you how to spell it right. So I just copy the word, paste it into Google

and it'll immediately correct it. And then I just copy that and then paste the correct thing and it feels like such a jarring way to do it because the spellchchick doesn't work always. I don't know why. I think is it because the way, You spelled it is so bad, that it just like doesn't pick it up. Some programs, for some reason it just doesn't work.

Really? Line often doesn't work on my PC. Really? I don't know why. Yeah, the line doesn't have a spell check, I don't think, on the PC. Really? Yeah. I'd be like, I definitely didn't spell stabilized correctly here.

Let me quickly. The one that always fucks me up is guaranteed. Oh my God, I hate spying. I can never spell. I don't know how many times. Every time I'm like writing something up and I get in my head, I'm like, all right, I just have to still guarantee. always fuck up as well.

Necessarily. Anything with a double name, even if it's something simple, like overrated, which I'm always like, is it overrated or overrated? Where does, which one's the double word? I always forget and I somehow always get it wrong as well. Yeah, yeah.

That always fucks me up. Can you guys also like, do you, do you guys have the skills like type without looking at your keyboard? Touch type. Yeah, I can't touch type. Because I did it, I did a stream and it was like a quiz where it's a Sporkel quiz

And everyone's like, oh, Gant can't type without looking at his keyboard. I was like, is this a normal skill? Because I depends how terminally online you are. I think it's meant to be normal nowadays. Right, yeah. But like, yeah. Can you do it?

No, I don't think so. Because I can maybe do it, but I'm like, I'm not, I'm definitely not close to like 100% accuracy. Yeah, yeah, I'll definitely. Yeah, I'll definitely. Yeah, 100%. Yeah, I can't. I've always wanted to learn how to do it,

but I'm also just like, I mean, is there that many situations in my life where I need to have my eyes away from the keyboard. It's like, no, it's not real. All right is at all times. Yeah, yeah. Yeah. Yeah.

My left hand knows exactly where WSD is. My right hand knows exactly where the arrow keys are. It's like, that's all I need. And one, three, five, six. And one, all I know that. Space bar, yeah, got that one down. Space bar, left shift. X and C. Yeah, X and C, left shift.

I know all those. That's all you need is a gamer, but. But no, I don't. I don't know, is it a normal skill now for I guess like this generation, you reckon? I don't know. We had like one class that taught us how to type. We didn't have any.

Did you not have any? Yeah, we didn't have any. It was like one class in school. One way to improve typing is by touch typing. Less than 20% of people can touch type fluently. Bro, have you seen, what was it called it? The like stenography or something like that. That shit is like magic to me.

What is it? Where the courtroom, people use to write all the dialogue. Oh yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. It's like way less buttons. Yeah, it's all about like the combination. Yeah, so if you hold down like a GSZ, it might like do the word automatically.

Yeah, they can type super quick because all you need to know is the combination. I have seen a dude who made like a like a stenography keyboard where it was like one-handed and he could basically write at the same speed as him talking. That's insane. Yeah, look, like, it's basically at the same speed. This is just magic for me, right?

Like, how do you even learn how to do this? It's kind of like playing the piano. Yeah, it looks like it. It almost looks like as much, uh, exterity as playing I don't know, man. As someone who can play the piano, this is nothing like playing the piano. Joey, as someone who can't play piano,

this is exactly like playing the piano, actually. This is more magic than playing the piano. This is such a hard, like, The thing that scares me most about this is like, like obviously he said like word. You just type in words. You have to hold down all the letters. In my head I'm gonna be like,

W-O-R-D. Yeah, yeah, yeah. And I like, so I think I would be very slow. But I guess in a sense, like, you know, being proficient at a keyboard, whether it be this kind of keyboard or regular keyboard is basically kind of like being proficient at piano.

Like you just have to fucking remember exactly where everything is. You just have to practice, yeah. You just have to practice, yeah. piano is one of the hardest instruments to learn as a music guy? I think it's, yes, I think it's one of the hardest instruments to learn, but also it's one of the best instruments to learn if you're starting off because so many other instruments rely on the knowledge of what you would learn playing a piano. Like you learn so much music stuff from a piano that you can't really

learn from other instruments. And I feel like the knowledge you gain from learning a piano first helps out with learning every other instrument. Whereas if you learn, like, guitar first and then you go to piano, I feel that's way harder to learn than the other way around. Oh, yeah. Pianist like magicians to me. Would this help you learn piano?

Maybe. Looks like it'd help you... It would help me type faster. Yeah, yeah. It reminded me, this story is so funny. But I have a friend of mine from Australia who works for like a travel agency. I don't remember if I've told this story or not.

But he works for a travel agency. And his job is to kind of like get the information, like the passport information of the client to put it into the system, get the flights sorted, all that kind of stuff, right? So he obviously learning, you know, being in that position, he meets a lot of people with like very interesting names. And there was one guy who's telling me this story.

It's gonna sound so bad, but so funny. He was like, yeah, so there was this, Australian-born Chinese guy who wanted to take a trip to Japan. And so, you know, he was like, can you, like, sort out some kind of, like, you know, tour schedule for me? And he was like, yeah, sure, I just need your passport information. So if you could, like, you know, scan in your passport, we'll put it into the system and we can start working on it.

Next day, the guy sends in, he's like, okay, this is my passport scan. And he looks at the guy's name. And, like, I couldn't believe it until he actually. show me a photo. This dude's name, oh no, oh no. I swear on my life, this dude's name was David Ching Chong Bong. And I was like, you've got to be shitting me. That is awesome. But also, my friend was like, I have so many questions. First of all, bro, every time it goes to the West, people are like sweating. They're like, yeah. They're like, first of

of all, do I, so where does your surname start? Like, are you Mr. Bong? Are you Mr. Chongbong or are you Mr. Ching Chong Bong? Like, how am I, or do I just call you David? Also, why do you have the most whitest name with the most Chinese surname imaginable? And I'm just like, every time I just think about that name, I'm like, that is got to be one of the greatest names ever.

Like David's parents were cooking. When they came up with that name. Oh man. It's so good. I'm just imagining if he's called Chong Bong. Mr. Chong Bong? Is this surname? Yeah.

So it's like, so wait, so it's like, is Ching Chong your middle name? And you're Mr. Bong? Or are you like, Mr. Ching Chong Bong? Like, I genuinely want to know. I'm fucking number to tell him. Dude, it's, I was, I was crying the first time he told me the story. That sounds like being Chris playing geogeser. We were just laughing at all the funny British town names.

Oh yeah. Cocker mouth and wet-wang. Or do you not live near any like funny town names? No, they're all Welsh. So they don't really that's funny. I had that same experience when I stayed at that like prison with Chris. And obviously, because we were going towards a bath. And along the way, I'm just looking at this GPS at all these fucking British town names.

I'm like, who decided that a town name called Ham was a good idea? It's just so funny, it's like ham. There's one town name, right? Read it his dick on son. It's just like, you have to look up some of these like British town names. I took you to a devil's dyke. Devil's dyke.

That, oh my God, that's so funny. Every American sweats when they hear that name, Devil's DiLis-Deglis. Shitterton. Shitterton. Shitterton. Great snoring. Butthole Road.

Three cocks lane. Finger ring ho. Oh, no way. Oh, I also live next to Cuckfield. Cuckfield. That's a, that's a. Oh, I love Dull. Three cocks lane.

Slots Hole lane. And then there's three balls. Crackpot. Ball and. Yeah. I love it. And obviously that's the long Welsh name as well. Yeah.

Which is, I think, just become a tourist, tourist attraction now because of the name. Butthole road. Yeah. Like, why? Some do, like, founded this, like, land and he was like, I proclaimed this place, butthole road.

It's like, why? We are just weird, aren't we? Yeah. I love it. Oh, God. Sluts Hole Lane. What a name. Yeah, I saw everyone in England I know

lives next to somewhere, somewhere weird sounding like this. I love it. I'm surprised Australia doesn't have something like that as well. Oh, it does. Oh, it does. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Oh, we have some, look up weird Australian town names.

We have, like, what are some famous ones? Banana is quite famous. Ball's head reserve. Yeah. I live near, I need, I live near a place called Chinaman's Knob. What the fuck? What the fuck?

Chinaman's Knob, it's a real place. K-O-N-B. Oh, the, it's... Yeah, Chinamen's Knob, Australia. That's a real place. Oh, my God. Yeah, see? It's a real place.

What? How drunk were they when they made? It's just like this fucking mountainous area. Bald knob as well. Oh my God. Yeah, Chinaman's lanes. Oh my God. What were they on?

I don't know what they were on. What were they on? I was like, I remember we were skiing and then you're, there was this old Australian man who came out to me. He's like, oh, mate, have you, I've been looking for a Chinaman. You're like, what? You're like, what? Is they saying that again?

Yeah, I was like, huh? He's like, yeah, been looking for a ramen, mate. There's a tritamin there. And we're like, what? What? I'm so confused. Boing, boing, boing. Yeah, quality knob.

What a knobby. Oh, yeah, mossy nipple bend. Boob's flat. Bum bunga. Bunga. Bunga. Nowhere else. Fowler Bay.

Oh, well, we found our next road trip, boys. Yeah. We found our next Aussie road trip right here. Well, I mean, you know, there's also... Well, it wasn't there last year cave. What? Bogan Place. Shag's head.

I mean, there's also... A lot of these are in Tasmania. What is going on in Tasmania? Oh, did Tasmania's just another... Bullshit Hill. That's in South Australia. There's also Eremonga, right? Yeah, that's Eremonger as well.

Cockwash Creek. Which came before, obviously, Eremonger says, you know, I'm sure... Stinkhole. I'm sure... I'm sure it has his own thing going on there. Is that just like a mining town or some shit like that? Yeah, it's an abandoned mining town.

So it comes from the local language. It means something. I don't know. But I think there's like 20 people who live there now. Look at this place. That's Aramanga. Okay, yeah. Nothing going on.

Nothing going on. Jesus. Population of 98. 98. Wow. According to 2021 census. I can't imagine living in it. See, as a city boy, I can't even imagine living in a town just that small.

Like, I don't know, is it weird knowing, like, knowing everyone in your neighborhoods? Or just like, yeah. There we go. Welcome to Aramonga, furthest town from the sea. That's another level of small. Yeah, that's another way. Yeah, that's true. You actually know everyone.

Yeah. Oh, look, that's the hotel. What do you even, what do you even do? Nothing. Like, what's work? Just, you go mine, you get shit-faced. Yeah, you go to, you stay at the hotel, you go to probably the one pub in town and just, I don't know.

Get shit-faced. Get shit-faced and forget that you live in Aramanga. Oh, there's a giant dinosaurs, like, tour. Oh, there's the, oh, we can go to the Aramonga Natural History Museum. Oh my God. And- bro, sick. Well, well, we know.

We know where we're going next. This is the place where they used to just like, um, dig tunnels. They wanted like extra room. Uh, no. There's a town in Australia where they would just dig fucking tunnels. No, that's, I think that's in the Northern Territory. I think that's close to like Uluru.

But then the government stopped there. Yeah, yeah. Please stop digging channels. Yeah, I, I, yeah. Because Aramonger, I think is in Queensland. It's in like central Queensland. Yeah. They were like, oh, they look like a set from Star Wars

because they'd be like, I want to do, I want another. the bedroom. Yeah, yeah. Cuber, yeah. Cuber Pety. You're like, what the fuck? Yeah, this place is quite famous.

This is the Cuberpidi mines. That's kind of cool, I wanna go to it. It's just, I cannot be fucked to travel all that. That looks like a liminal, go top left. Look at that liminal space. No, no, above it. Yeah, the fucking banquet hall. Yeah, the banquet hall.

This is like a perfect horror setting. Look at that. That's terrible. I love that. That's horrifying. That's so sick. No, I don't think I would. I think you'd have to, you just pay me a lot of money

to go in that cave. I'd go. This is like where a horror scene, like a scripted, like where you- Yeah, this is midsummer for a set in Central Australia. Oh yeah, for sure. It's like, it's like, do. It does just like, do. Yeah.

Look at this. Look at that. That's, that's so sick though. I love that. How far away is it again? How far away is Kubeedi? It's like, it's really far away, if I remember correctly. Because it's too hot, right, to be. right to build stuff. Yeah.

I guess also. Is this like- That's so sick though, look at that. How far away is it? From like... Not like... No, that's far. From like Adelaide.

Do it from Adelaide. Drive? Yeah, drive from Adelaide. How long would that take? Nine hours. Look at all those road works. You're basically just following the highway for nine hours.

It is kind of crazy how long the highways are. Mm. They really went ham, huh? They went ham. So I had my first experience getting refused service at a bar in Japan. What? Yeah, I forgot about this until it just says I was like going to pee. What happened?

Yeah, so like, it's weird because I've been living here five years. And, you know, there's, we've talked about this, you know, this thing before on the trash chase podcast, but I've never had it happen so blatant before. and so openly, because normally, you know, sometimes you go to a restaurant and then they are very subtle about it, right? Right. They're like, oh, sorry, we fully booked or we're like full or members only, you know, something along those lines, you know,

so that's kind of like what I've seen before and what I've experienced before. Not really that big of a deal for me. But this time, so we went to a bar. And it wasn't like it was like in a remote area. It was in a pretty busy area. with, you know, sometimes you get some like foreigners there and stuff like that. So I don't know if like the tourist thing has like just changed things up at all.

Right. So I go in this bar. We speak, you know, we're speaking Japanese. It's me, Sydney and a friend who's visiting from England, who is Vietnamese. So we go sit down. This bar is like completely empty, by the way. So I'm like one other person in the corner. And they ask us for our order.

And so I order Nama, right? Which is like, you know, the on-tab beer, right? Just give me beer, baby. And they say they don't have any beer. And I'm like, I see a tap right there. That's when like, that's when like, oh, that's a bit weird. That's like, okay, I'll just get a lemon sour then. You know, a typical, you know, typical Japanese drink

you can order at most bars. Sydney also. Yeah, everywhere. Yeah, Sydney also orders a lemon sour. And then our friends, I don't know, I don't know, I don't know, I don't know if this is weird to order at a bar or if this was like, or if this is like alerts or something.

He orders an Umeshu soda. That's very, very normal. Which I thought was very, very normal. Every single bar. Yeah, that's what I thought as well. 100%. But for some reason, when my friend ordered the Umeshu soda, the lady looks at us and goes,

are you Japanese? Like, literally, like, like, like, are you like Nihonjin? Yeah, like, like those are those words. And we're like, No, we're not. And then she says, ah, I'm sorry,

and I was like, what? I, like, yeah, yeah, yeah, right, right? Which, if, if you don't know, or you haven't watched Jojo part four, it just means, I refuse.

Damn, you got Kishabe, I got Kishi Be Rohan, man, I got Kishi Be Rohan, damn. And, I was just like,

what? Damn, okay. So, are you telling me this, this bartender lady was gatekeeping you from having an umesh soda because you weren't Japanese. I don't know what the fuck the umshu soda? Because I was like, I was like, okay,

if I order like a fucking margarita or something or fucking tequila sunrise, you know. She was like, you must be this Japanese in order to order an umeshi soda. So I was like, I was like, this is, uh, even I, like, I'm not, I'm not pretty chill. Even I was like, damn, that, that, that fucking hurts a little bit. Yeah.

That's just shit. Yeah, yeah, yeah. And to be fair, to preface, this is my first ever time experiencing something like this after five years of living in Japan. They keep you out. Huh?

And they kicked you out. Yeah, yeah. They just basically, they said we refuse service and they, you know, I am direct translating because they literally said, Sima said that to us. They literally said that to us.

So we literally got refused service. And Sydney didn't do the very, smart thing and she's like, I'm so angry. I'm gonna tweet about this. I'm gonna vent and I'm like, Sydney, don't do this, don't do this. And the Twitter response was like super fucking weird. As it always is going to be.

As it always is going to be. So you know when something hits the algorithm when you start seeing these really weird tweets. So she just wanted to vent right. She just wanted to vent about this thing that happened in Japan and then it got turned into this really weird Twitter tweet

that people were using this tweet to be like, oh, you know, based. Japan, based. Or you were probably just overselling the story and some people are like, wow, I knew it. Every Japanese has turned racist or something like that. And it was like, what is happening? What is actually happening right now?

There are multiple takeaways you can take away. Those two are not. Yeah, yeah. Twitter is like the land of light where nuance is just not a thing. Yeah. It's either, it turned into like this tweet being like, everyone has turned this tweet into like an agenda.

Yeah, this is the two extremes always. This is too fucking weird. Yeah, like there's two sides of the coins will see that tweet and they'll feel validated in both their sides. Yeah. When it's like, it's both of you are wrong and both you are completely far. It's completely circumstantial.

Yeah. Yeah. And it just happened to be in a bad way this time around, but like that does not justify that like, oh yes, Japanese racist woman based. Yeah. What? No, that's shit. Oh man, yeah.

I do, I will say though, I think, you know, I've been seeing a lot of people, and I don't know if you guys agree with this, but I've been seeing a lot of people saying that Japan, in a lot of ways, has changed since the over-tourism thing has started. I would assume so, for during. In like a good way, in some good ways

and some like very questionable ways. And that story is definitely the more like questionable one where they're just like, I think some, Japanese people have just gotten a little bit too comfortable with being racist, basically, and just, like, being unfair towards, like, someone who may be conceived as, like, a tourist or a foreigner. And it's just like, just because they're a foreigner doesn't mean they're a tourist, you know? Yeah, yeah, yeah.

Just because they're a tourist doesn't mean they're shit customers. And just, yeah, there are, it's unfortunate because, like, I feel like a few, um, a few bad eggs in, like, you know, people being not respected, uh, not respectful to, Japanese culture, just with the, how many people are just coming in right now. It's kind of, it's just like a kind of a sake situation where, you know, still hurts where that happened to me, but I kind of see where the buildup comes from and where frustration comes from. It's given to take. Japan also definitely loves to scapegoat foreigners a lot too. I mean, when they were in the rice shortage, recently Japan had a rice shortage, which is due to

like a number of reasons, none of which are due to foreign tourists eating too much rice. Yeah. And there were articles where they were blaming tourists who were eating and taking all the glorious Japanese rice home with them. Because it's so good they had to take it home. Right. Taking our supply. The truth in the matter of the fact is that rice consumption, Japan, has been going down year on year. Because people like pasta, people like bread.

They're discovering these new foods that are amazing. Because pasture is fucking amazing. Yeah. Yeah. And so Japan has had, has too much capacity to make rice. And the government subsidizes these farmers to not grow rice because they want rice prices to remain pretty stable.

Yeah. So they have this problem where they have the ability to make way too much rice, so it's so heavily regulated on how much rice is being made. And so that's why the rice shortage happened. And because there was a, obviously during the typhoon, there was a slight dip in the production and then panic buying, which caused the shortage.

Not nothing at all to do with tourists. at all, not even remotely. So why did they come up with this solution and why were they so willing to say it publicly? Because again, as you said, it's like it's an easy scapegoat, especially for a lot of people who don't know any better and people who are like, oh, let's just take this simplest solution to try and like sidestep the actual problem at hand.

It's such a Japanese thing to do. I love blaming tourists for shit more than anyone, but sometimes it's really annoying. Can we actually like just blame them when they do something shit? Yeah. Can we actually like get to the root? to the problem instead of being openly racist. Like this is crazy, like how the hell

this is allowed to be like a public statement? Yeah. Um, I is bewildingly. There was some of the shortages as well. They also blamed on foreigners, which again, also had not, oh, cheese. Japan's cheese shortage, apparently it was foreigners. I'm like, okay, now that's-

I swear every week. Now you're right, so I could understand why you would wanna make a racist remark. Your cheese? Yeah. You think we're still in your cheese? Yeah. It's like your cheese isn't even that good.

Bro. Ain't no one taking your mid-ass cheese. I think so. They say, I can't remember. But yeah. Yeah, I mean, even if there was a cheese shortage, to blame it on foreigners is, I swear like recently, every week there's like a new item.

Like Japan has a potato shortage now. They have a, I mean, I think they did have a potato shortage in there one point. I just randomly threw that out, but I think we actually did have a potato shortage at one point. I think that's due to the fact that like, a lot of dramatic products are only last be made with Japanese potatoes, I think.

Right. Like, I think the crisps have to be made with Japanese potatoes. potatoes, I think, or they just liked it. Yeah, I don't know. So I remember pizza potato was gone for a long time. Yeah, well, McDonald's was like running into the problem of like not enough fries, right? Yeah. Oh shit.

Yeah, I remember this article. Did they blame this on the foreigners? No fries in McDonald's? Let me guess. Did they also blame this on foreigners just love McDonald's fries? Well, we do. We do.

Let's be real. I think they, I think that's imports that went something out. Yeah, yeah. Those are imported from America. Right, right. I don't think McDonald's has a, we must use Japanese. We only use Japanese potatoes.

I think they use whatever fucking works. That's fine. Yeah, it's very frustrating. But we went to another bar after that. I met up with you guys after. You didn't stop you guys for having a good time. No, we still had a good time. It was like just a small spec on a wider, great all around nights.

And this is- Is your friend managed to get the Umeashe Soda in there? Yes, he did. Yes, he did. You know who didn't refuse us? Girls boss. Yeah, well, of course. So I had another dinner thing

and I was like, hey, I'll come hang out with you guys and I'm done. And I was like, where are you guys drinking? And they were like, oh, same girls bar as last time. Last time being the one that I spent. That you scammed me out. I also scared I got scammed as well.

Yeah. We both got scammed. You more so. But I was like, I don't want to go back to that bar. One, because they scammed the fuck out of us. It was way too expensive. They didn't scam the fuck out of us. They scammed.

They scammed. You keep saying they scam the fuck out of us. All they did was ask Connor specifically. Can we have a drink, which means can you buy us a drink? And Connor just doesn't know how to say no. Okay, okay. He just doesn't know how to say no. That is true.

However, their prices per drink were ridiculous. You know, you're gonna say no. You could just say no. So ultimately, I was the one who got scared most. Yeah. Is it a scam if you just consent to the scam? There's no... To be fair, we don't know.

It is complete fucking roulette. We don't know how much they're charging for a drink. No, but girls bars is usually like fucking five, ten times the price of regular drinks. Here's the thing, he didn't buy a drink for just one girl. He bought a drink for like all of the girls. Oh, this motherfucker's trying to impress. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. Right? That is not true.

Because I'm sitting there and I'm really awkward because they're just like staring at us. And I'm like, please stop staring at me. Just take a drink and leave me alone. I don't know, man, that five second footage you talked to say otherwise. You were just like, Compuyoniozum, honestly. That would have been gone egg me on.

So that was, yeah. But then, okay, so we, there's always a caveat. There is a caveat. I'm full of excuses. Yeah. We went to another bar and, uh, so we, I, I, and I showed up and I was like, I don't want to go back to the same bar because they're gonna rinse me again. Yeah.

And so we went to this other bar and it was so weird. Yeah. We go in and it's just like strange vibe that you tell that they didn't want us there initially. Yeah, yeah, yeah. They were very much like, did you come to the wrong bar? Even like two dudes sitting there, like, with like a grin on their face, these two businessmen, they were like, I think you found the wrong bar. you found the wrong bar guys. And of course, Sidney's like fucking like a bulldozer.

Like I didn't find the wrong bar, I'm right where I wanna be. Sits down, I'm like, all right, okay, okay. And I was sitting there and I saw the price. I was like, how much? How much you think that 40 minutes of all you can drink cost? 40 minutes of all you can drink. And this per person? Per person.

Okay, well, I've never actually gone to a girl's bar before, so I don't know, but just off the top of the head, maybe, I don't know. 3,000, 4,000? It was like 4,500 or 5,000? Fuck, that's fucked. For 40 minutes. Yeah, because at Ezekiah,

you can get like two hours or you can drink for maybe like 2000. Yeah, whatever happened to the nice round, like we, we, we, I think we all understood as a human race. Why 40 minutes? Yeah, we, it's 30 or 60. Yeah, pick one. Yeah, we have never been into this 40 minutes nonsense.

Yeah, right? Just pick 30 or 60. Yeah, I don't have like, just the price of corner. I don't have a 40 minute internal calls. That's not how that works. But this time I actually didn't buy them, I didn't buy them drinks.

Right, I was like, I'm, I'm, I was like, because you're sober this time as well. And it was horrible because I just had to like, it's a terrible vibe if you're not buying drinks, by the way. Yeah. Because you literally, they're standing like right here and you're drinking, you're like, don't look up, don't look up, don't look up.

Because if you look up, they're gonna look at you like, where's the drink? You know. You just be like, who? And I feel like, I'm like, is everyone else just like immune to this cringe? Because I'm looking and everyone. Well, why do you think I've never been to a girl's ball? I know, I know.

Because I listen to these stories and I'm like, that doesn't sound fun. It's not. It's overpriced and it doesn't sound fun. It's like, why would you go? So like I'll be like watching, you know, like our British friend will be there. And I'm like, he's just waiting for you to offer a drink.

It feels, I feel like he's immune to it. Yeah. Because I'm like, you don't sense the awkwardness? Yeah. And I'm like, that's why I buy drinks. I'm like, get the fuck away from me. Leave me alone for five minutes. Christ.

Yeah. No, I've never been enticed to go into those places. That's what makes you just like not immune to these scams. No, I know, I know. Because the awkwardness is killing me. So when they're like, when they figure out, he just says yes every time they ask. All these girls, proud round, they're like,

it's like a clue. It's like that me with that guy, be allowed, I'll pay you $100 to fuck off. Yeah. And I'm like, please leave me alone. Like I don't mind a little bit of chit chatter and something can be fun depending on the vibe. Yeah, yeah.

But when I know that one, I'm getting rinsed just to sit down, and then I'm gonna get a doubly rinsed just to like, like give you a drink and maybe like make small talk. I'm like, also like I've always found it weird. It's just like the, you know these goals intentions. Yeah, like these goals' intentions isn't to have a fucking nice chat with you. It's to rinse you out of a fucking overpriced drink for like five minutes. And look, I'm sure.

And then pretend like you're important. I'm sure there's a world where those two things can overlap where they want to get the money. And like, because they're just working. I mean, if you're like a break. there, you know, and you've known them personally, maybe. But this, this, this, this, this, this, this, well, I went to all say was definitely not, like, a noble one.

No, it definitely will, right. It was like, more of a, it was, they were all wearing, like, virgin killer sweaters. Yeah, the virgin killer sweaters. And I was like, I was like, I was like, I was like, I don't know, what is this, 2017? I don't know, right?

I don't know how Sydney is immune to this. Sydney feels like, no shame, and it's like, is just able to have a good time, and I'm like, oh God, oh God, and these two gross businessmen next to you, Gross business man next to me, the woman like leans over to write the check and like I guess like her boob pops out or something.

And the guy, these two like 50 year old men are like, oh, right, you're looking at this, you're looking at this? And I'm like, this is so gross. I'm losing my mind. I'm like, I'm like, Jesus Christ. In God, do you. As someone who's been- Are we done?

But then the next part was much better. Yeah, as someone who's been dragged on, dragged to many girls bars going out with Sydney. The best ones are the ones that just aren't lewd. Yeah, yeah. Because the same one we went to is chill. Yeah, yeah. Because there are some ones

where they do just, like, Sydney went to a bar where it's like the worst, the worst girls bar where it's just like, all of these girls that are working there, they just like, they want to have a job where they can just like be themselves and just have a chat and the girls bars were just ended up being the perfect job for them. Part of the recruitment process was,

they needed to provide a picture of them getting blackout drunk. I'm just having like a shibbier meltdown. Damn. That was part of like the job recruitment process. Fair enough. Fair enough. Because they, you know, talking to them, they were like, yeah, office jobs

just like weren't for us. We just wanted to have a job where we could just, you know. It's supposed to get lit. Yeah, yeah, we just didn't want to be reserved. We just wanted to be ourselves. And it was just like, it was a good vibe because they just, you could tell,

there were just people who just loved their jobs. Honestly, for a country that kills individuality, we need more places like that. Yeah, right, right. The second moment was great. It was like they were all, one, it was 2000 yen, 40 minutes. Yeah.

They're why 40 minutes again. Still a little bit of a price, but better than the last one. But like, yeah, I mean, like for that, it's not bad. They weren't pressuring us all the time to buy them drinks. They're like, hey, can we ever drink? Because it's the lewd ones where they pressure you, where they like wear a costume or something.

They were all like really like nicely dressed. Then we walked in, these two businessmen were like, yo, what are you guys doing here? I was like, ah, you know. And then I told them I was from UK, he's like, football, football. I was like, yes. Football, football.

It's got much better vibes. Yeah, so much better. And it's like, good. I don't. It's because the lewd ones, I think, have just figured out the formula where it's like, if we just pop a titi out, they'll buy us a drink. I'm like, I guess.

It's like, men are stupid, they know. It was like, we're just a couple of tities and we'll be alright. It's just so bizarre. I can imagine being like, I guess it's kind of like what strip clubs are in a way. Yeah. I've also never been to a strip club.

I mean, I've been to a stroke club and it's not fun. I just, if I was like, it's all good years old, right? Presumably that's what's like, you know, getting them raw back. I'm like, why would you want to go and get like rock hard with your like coworker or like businessman, like perfect on girls. I just couldn't imagine.

I'm like, guys, like porn is free, you know? It's just, if I wanted to get rock hard, I'll do it by myself. Yeah, I love you boys, but there's no part of me that wants to get rock harder. Yeah. I'm not, like, I love you, like, boys I love you, but I'm not blue-ballsing myself in front of you, like, I just don't get it.

Like, maybe it's one of those things that when you turn like 60 and Asian that you just know, but like, I don't think he's even 60, an Asian. But it seems like men here are just into that. Like, yeah. Men in the West are into that as well. You gotta, you know, people go to strip clubs.

I feel like it's way less common though. I don't know if I'm. Maybe because there's less facilities in the way. I don't think so. Maybe less common in the circles that we, you know, in the friends that we keep. But certainly sometimes I go out with, you know, friends from, you know, friends from like back home

or friends from university and they're like, you know, strip club, strip club. And I'm like, that's, that's just not my I don't even know how to find a strip club in the UK. You just Google it? Is it like, what do you mean you don't know how to find a strip club? I feel like it's pretty obvious from the front.

It's pretty obvious. Oh, right, right. Just walk around, find it. Just walk around in the city center, look for a gentleman's club. People in black suits out the front. And you probably have seen it, you just don't know that it's a strip club.

Yeah, you know. I'm like, oh, I wonder what this place is? Probably a strip club. Yeah. It looks upper class, it looks very high class from the outside. when you go in and it's like, oh, this is- Very classy.

Yeah, very-classy. Very classy. So classy. Yeah, it's just all my vibe. I don't know. It's just, I don't know. Like, no offense to anyone who, like, goes to strip clubs

and enjoys them or anything. It's just, I don't know. I just don't see the fun in it. Yeah. Like, I'd rather be in a fucking quiet bar, just chat with some mates over some drinks. Yeah, like, I don't know. I think it's more like the spectacle, right?

It's more like you're doing something with the boys for the boys. It's not that. Yeah, but then like, If someone's going there to like, fucking like jack off. I'm like, yeah. Like, I don't even know the etiquette at a strip club. Like, are you allowed to whip it out?

No. Probably not. You're thinking of the wrong types of clubs. Am I thinking of a different club? They have those clubs here. Yeah. I know that. They've got every type of club.

Yeah. Any kind of weird sexual niche you can think of, Japan has a place for it. I have walked into those, like, you probably seen them in like Shinjuku and Shubing and stuff like that, It was like, they called Moodio Annaijo, which is like the free information desks. Oh my God.

Which is basically this curtained off thing. They're like the ratiest looking things. Yeah, it's this curtained off thing where you can walk in and basically it's an information desk on all of, I guess, the adult entertainment places for you. Yeah, yeah, yeah, like have you seen places like this? Oh, okay. Yeah.

Doesn't they just book the prostitutes? Or you just tell them how much money you want to spend? You literally walk in and there's just walls of like different places, like, you know, soap lands or like strip clubs or like, you know, girls bars and everything like that. And then you basically just go up to the information center and being like, I'm looking for this kind of place. Can you recommend me anywhere?

And then the guy basically rings the place up for you and figures it out or gives you the contact. And I'm just looking at these places. I'm just like none of these look fun. Have you seen they have advertisements for Chinjuku and Kabuktu. Things called happening bars. Oh, yeah, yeah. I've heard of these.

What's happening bars? It's bars, people just fuck in the bar. Oh, yeah. Like they just go and it's a bar and then I think like guys have to pay a fuck chunk to get in and the girls get in for free. And the whole point of the bar is that you go there to have sex with strangers.

So it's called that, it's called a happening bar because it's, you walk in. Oh, it's happening. So I think it was a really big thing in the 80s and 90s in Japan and the government cracked down on them, I think, a lot, but they're still around and they still advertise. I think that, I don't know how legal they are,

but I don't think, I think they're legal at all. But they're like advertising on like, I saw them on like Instagram and Facebook and stuff. Yeah. What the fuck? And I saw the big sign for it in Cabocho. Oh really?

So I was like, what the f. Yeah, you basically just walk in and you're like, oh my dick just happened to slip in. Whoopsies. Like that's their whole like gimmick, right? I haven't been it. So I can't see what they look like or how they operate.

I've seen them around. I've just never been into one, but I've heard stories. I'm sure someone, some, some, yeah, someone's watching this is gonna be There are tourist-friendly ones. Oh, really? I have seen them. I have heard of them.

Well, there's a customer base now, you know. Yeah. You know, I know it's like, yeah, you've to pay, like, I think I saw, because I think, what was it? I think I saw June sharing. Mm-hmm. Love joy.

Yeah, yeah, right. On like her social, she's sharing one because she, obviously, she does a lot of sex work. Yeah. And so I think she's promoting one. I think it was like, man or son man, to get in to your guy. Just to get in.

Just to get in. What if you're a girl? It's free. I think it was free. Of course. Well, I mean, look, there's gonna be a very, very heavy disproportionate amount of customers that are getting in there. That is true.

It's always pay to win. Damn, sport, spawned if. But I couldn't imagine that. Because I guess if you went to that, I feel like I just, even if I was like the most depraved version of me, I'd be like, man, just don't think I would wanna risk catching anything. Yeah, I guess like, I don't know, also doing it in public, I just, okay, that is well.

I already assumed that I was okay with that in this scenario. Like in this scenario, I'm all okay with all of that. And then I'm like, all right, who knows what I'm gonna catch today? I don't know. Maybe that's why they're called happening, but I just happened to get Chlamydia.

I don't know, like maybe there's like some, I'm also assuming there's like no precautions or anything here. Like I don't know, maybe they test you when you come, I don't know how you do test. I don't think there's much O-H and it's going what is happening. I don't think so.

Yeah. I think it's just Joe. Yeah. I respect to people who can go for that? Yeah, I can't. Yeah, I'll pass on that. I got no issue with it if you're all consenting adults. You wanna do it, but I just wanna know,

like, I want to know what actually happens in there, but I'm too scared to go in and actually figure it out for myself. Your next trash taste, that's your voice. We awkwardly rock up and watch people have sex. Yeah. That's the next special. Yeah. I just want to know what goes on in there.

It is just fascinating. the like levels of how deep the Japanese nightlife goes. Oh yeah. And how willing they are to accommodate for a price. It is ever fascinating and I always have been so impressed. Yeah. I've always- Deep it goes.

Yeah, I've always been fascinated by it because it's just so unique to other like adult entertainment facilities all over the world. But I just, I just can't do it. Like I can't go in and get a firsthand experience. You know, shit like this I would love to be. make YouTube videos about if YouTube would even allow you to have like these kind of like documentaries about.

So I'd love to just follow a guy that's like, just a normal ass dude. Yeah. And then just like watch the beast unleash when he gets in the club. And like, just him just explaining like, afterwards be like yeah man, I just feel good now. Like yeah, you know. There is a Japanese YouTuber that I've been seeing on and off

who reviews soap lands. No. No. He talks about the soap land. He like goes to the front of the beach and then he's like, I've booked for 60 minutes, so I'll let you know how it goes. And then he comes like, review broth. He's like review broth for soap plans, yeah.

And he comes out and he was like, so the girl was like a seven out of 10, we started off by doing this, this, this, this and this. And he goes into detail about what they did. Wait, oh my God. I'm fucking forgot the name of the dude. It just like randomly popped up that my recommended ones.

I can just imagine the thumbnail of him be like, I'm disappointed. Yeah, yeah. Soapy Deluxe 7 has fallen off. The latest offerings have been appalling. My disappointment is a measurable, my day is ruined. My dick is ruined. It's like, yeah, I go, I got Chlamydia, three out of ten.

Yeah, I'll link it to you guys if I can remember the channel name, but it's insane. Well, it's, I mean, obviously in Japan, it's a lot more. I'm sure audience are like, I feel disgusted at this idea. What is the name of this establishment? Just so I can sell, just so I can see for myself, how disgusted. I would like to leave my own review of,

I'm disgusted by this. We obviously have very, I mean, we're actually recording with Kaho after this, so it would have been good to ask her at the Japanese opinion on this. But I mean, the general, like, Western mindset is that we're like, oh God,

like this is a lot for us to take in because it's just not something that we're used to. But in Japan's like, totally kind of normal. Yeah. And I'm pretty accepted. I mean, a lot of people don't like it, don't get me wrong. I'm not saying that everyone's like,

yeah, we'd love it. It's like, but overall, especially among men, it's a lot more seen as like just kind of normal. which is kind of unusual. Yeah, I think the whole, you know, fact that for instance, like, you know, for dudes especially, going into like a public bath

and seeing your dude's dick is like a normal thing in society and culture. It's just like, I think from that point onwards, like everything else, like any, like, it all stems from the baths, yeah, it all stems from the bars, I think, because it's like, once you're like comfortable. We can't share bass or be fucking in the bars.

We've taken one, guys, we've taken on one else in? Let's just watch each other fuck. Yeah, I feel like, I feel like that's the next step. I think also it's just because, you know, there's never any like Christian views that were not really injecting into Japan. You know, Japan.

Yeah, Japan is a, is a 2000 year old isolated country on an island, like, they're gonna create some weird shit. I mean, sex here is generally very open. Yeah. It's weird though, right? Because it's open but also- extremely hidden. Yeah.

And like extremely taboo in a weird way. It's like people, it's out in the open, but people just don't talk about it. It's almost like the elephant in the room. Yeah, they just kind of forget that it's there. Yeah, yeah, yeah. And then when it's put in front of them,

they're like, oh, why'd you put that in front of me? So it's like, it's been there the whole time, you just didn't see it, yeah. It's very, it's very strange. Yeah, we can talk about it more, the next episode with Kaho, but, uh, hey, in the meantime, look at these lovely patrons. Look at all these patrons.

Hey, how many of these patrons have been to a happening bar? Let us know on the comments. We've done an onsen. Once our soapland special, guys. That's just, that's just the next step, right? So plan review special. We have bathed together.

We have bathed together. It's like, yo, I get a point for nutting three times in an hour. And we have a bonus star. Most erect. We were secretly measuring your pieces the whole time. Guys, we are going for the gold splits. Who is speed running this right now? We attached a GoPro to each of your cocks.

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