Trash Taste Podcast - TRASH TASTE GOES VIRTUAL (ft. @Ironmouse ) | Trash Taste #261

Episode Date: June 20, 2025

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Welcome to a very special episode of Trash Taste. And yes, we're in the virtual world because we have a very special guest today. It's finally Iron Mouse. Yes. We did it. We did it. We are filming this episode in mocap in virtual so we can move.

So as you can probably tell from just clicking on this video, we look a little bit different. Yeah, we do look a little bit. No, we look exactly the same. What are you doing about? Joey, how... Don't touch my fat head. Let me, let me...

No, stop. Touch tips for me, man. No, stop. High five. Oh, yeah, high five. Connor, stop. Conor, stop. Connor, stop.

Let me hit on this. Okay, sorry, sorry. Back to my seat, back to my seat. So, yeah, obviously you guys know the, the trash taste policy, technically speaking, even though we'd never really decided upon it, is the guest needs to be there in actuality, but we thought, you know what?

We'll make an exception. for Mouse because you guys have been asking for her to come onto the show and here she is in all of her glory oh my god we did it bro we did it we did it we did it we did it how does it feel to finally be here mouse wow uh i i feel like i'm babysitting what what do you mean because you guys look like little cheesy big old head anime boys hey don't hit on the massive hands mom's coming to pick up the kids right now yeah it does feel like we've warped into like the wrong anime yeah yeah I didn't get the dress code right yeah you know when an anime has like a like a super high-res render and then it's just like the 3d monsters by the by this by their side

that's kind of like what we look like it's it's the final fantasy concept off versus final fantasy seven in game well like when it cuts to the 3d like monsters to the that's ours we're the 3d monsters you're the main character yeah yeah we're the PS1 randoms yeah i don't understand why they gave Joey and Garn such good clothes and then they gave you your normal clothes What the heck? I look so good. Even in the virtual world, he's got one shirt. I'm so happy I get to bring back

my Saske haircut with this. Yeah, I get to bring back my fuckboy here. It's awesome. I'm not the anime zone with this though. I'm pretty sure I'm the anime boy. We're both anime boys for there. Yeah, we are anime boys today. That is true. Oh my God. Have you guys ever been? I'm happy to be here with the anime boys.

Yeah, hell yeah. Have you guys ever been in a mocap suit? No, this is my first time. I can tell. What do you mean you can tell, Joey? What does that mean? We're all playing around, fucking around with Joe. Yeah, of course we are. Of course we are.

I've been in one once and it weirdly... This guy, this guy, being like, wow. You think you're the pro. No, no, no, I've been one once. And funnily enough, it was also a collab with a V-Tuber, which was... Was it? Which one was it? With Kisunai?

Yeah, it was with Kisna-I, like seven years ago, whenever it was. I watched that. Yeah. They gave me, like, I look like, the only way to describe it is I looked like, you know, the very first, like, Me's on the Wii. It was like that, but instead of giving me like the round head, they gave me like a cube head. How many years ago is this?

Seven years ago, maybe. It was when I first, it was like maybe the first year I moved to Japan. Oh wow. Yeah. Sorry, Mass, when you started V-2bing, was, you was around the same time? Because it was, how long ago was it now? This year, this year will be my eighth year of V-tubing. So when you started Kisno, I was already like pretty big.

Yeah, she was already like huge. She was the one that inspired me. But I just thought I was like, oh, well, she's doing it. She's probably, you know, using this expensive thing. I'm poor. Can't do that. Well, I think it changed pretty quick, though. I don't think it was, was she using mocap the whole time?

Yeah. Yeah, she started off with moCal. Oh, wow. So that's like Hollywood. The live, the live 2D stuff came afterwards. Yeah. Oh, right. Because she wasn't streaming.

She was only doing YouTube videos. Yeah. That's right. Yeah. Back in the day. Back in the day. Just in case our audience doesn't know who you are, Mousis, even though I'm pretty sure most of them do. Do you want to introduce yourself to our audience?

Yeah, yeah. Hi! It's me, Iron Mouse. I'm a demon v-tuber from V-Shojo, and I'm Connor's worst nightmare. Well, that's pretty true. That's pretty true. So keep on theme, I want to know since you're such good friends with Connor, what is his worst take? What is the take that?

We're getting into this already. Yes, I'm going straight into it with this one. All of them. All of them. What's the one that stands out though? The one that stands out the most that we fought on the most? Man, we fight a lot though, so I don't know. God, how do I pick just one day?

Yeah, right? Yeah. I picked his one it's just everything he says is wrong there's the food poisoning thing there's the cleaning his toilet with his hands thing uh tuna on pizza when did wait when did you say that I like tune on pizza what you don't know this no when if you mentioned this Connor you need to stop this I think you've seen me eat it when we went to I think I would remember seeing you tune on pizza he was literally sitting next to me you were sitting next to me where

Where were we? Tell me where we work. Tell me where we were in Switzerland. And we got like the worst pizza I'd ever had in my life. Oh yeah, yeah, yeah. And I got a tuna pizza. And then I tried to like fold the pizza to take a bite. And it was like, like, trying to fold like a, the Rosetta Stone.

It was like so brittle. Like, it didn't fold. So I was like, and it was tune on pizza. And I was sitting right next to you eating. This must be so traumatic that I've just like blanked it out from my memory. It's just like PTSD from me. You know? I'm literally sitting next to him.

Yeah, now all he does is eat ton on pizza. He orders it all the time. I do. We'll be streaming. Do you actually? Yes? And I'm like, No.

No. Why? It's pretty dieable. No. Why? It's good. I mean. Have you actually had it?

I had it with you in Switzerland. I don't think you had the two. Yeah, I had a slice. Oh, you didn't like it? No, it was fine. With that also pizza, that sucked. That pizza sucked. Yeah, it was like, it was barely a pizza.

It was like cardboard. Yeah. Also, I just assumed it was a Japan thing because when I hear like seafood. No, no, no. On pizza or seafood on pasta, I'm like, must be a Japan. If you go to Italy, it's like a thing that they have and they serve, it's like a normal thing. Tuna with onions.

It's called Altono. Did you say pasta with seafood as a Japan thing? No, no, not pasta. Okay, okay. Pizza, pizza. Oh, okay, I was gonna fucking say. Maybe I did say pasta on pizza. Oh, we got it in the back.

Okay, okay, let's see this. It's called Altono. Look at this thing. It looks amazing. Why wouldn't you want it? Because then the tuna gets baited slightly. Mouse, you'll like this, really. It didn't look like that in Switzerland.

It didn't look this good now. I don't know. Look at this. No. I'm on your side. No, that actually, that one actually looks fire. Yeah, because- Thank you, thank you, Lauren.

No, mouse, because it gets baked slightly, so then it kind of becomes, it's not wet, like it normally would be. It's really nice. Like a baked chuna. And it works with the tomato. No. No, you haven't tried it. Have you tried it? You haven't tried it.

You haven't tried it, so I don't hear it. No. No, I haven't tried it. And I won't. Some things just don't need to be tried. I don't know. What do you mean? That looks good. Come on.

I just don't understand why is it that you have to eat such gross things all the time. I literally don't. It's fish. It's not even that bad. You drink non-alcoholic beer. I don't want to hear it. Yeah, that is true. That is actually insane.

We all like the non-alcoholic beer. What is the point of drinking non-alcoholic beer? I'm going to go under the table for this. I hate it. It's these two. These two like, like, these two. You drink non-alcoholic beer too? These two like non-alcoholic beer.

I can't stand it. What is the point of drinking you? Thank you. And that's what I'm saying. You like the taste of fear. It's like drinking decaf coffee. Like there's no point. Thank you.

There's literally a point in decaf coffee. What are you saying? There is no point. No, because you want decaf coffee because people like the taste of coffee. Are you calling me ignorant? What the heck? You are ignorant and oblivious and a fool. You because people like the taste of coffee.

So they want to have coffee, you know, in their... I like the taste of coffee, but there's no point in drinking coffee if it doesn't have caffeine in it. That absolutely is. What the fuck? No, I'm with mouse on this one. I have to agree. I'm not going to drink coffee if I'm not getting the fucking caffeine kick. But I like the taste of beer more than I like the taste of coffee.

You know? Yeah, but I like the taste of beer because it gets me fucked up. I like taste of beer. If you ask me in university, Joey. But I don't know. Something about the feeling of. Why do you like the taste of beer? Okay.

I think it's like a almost like a Pavlovian. thing sometimes where you know sometimes you finish a hard day of work you're just sometimes you're just used to having like a cold beer but as you as you age up um sometimes you don't feel like getting drunk every time but you want that feeling of having having like a cold beer as like a reward after work and you just crack open a non-alcoholic beer does the job he gets it he gets it and after after a long hard day i'm getting fucked up on a beer that's the perfect time it's the perfect time to get drunk if i could i would yeah yeah It's the perfect time to get drunk.

What do you mean? I just don't see. I don't see the point. Like, why do it if it doesn't fuck you up? You know what I mean? Thank you. I don't want to get fucked up all the time. It's not the point.

Well, then don't drink it. Drink something else. I just feel like you're being ignorant here because I, you know, Mouse likes Sprite a lot. And I don't really like Sprite that much. I love Sprite. I would never be like, why would you drink Sprite? It tastes like piss.

It tastes like angry water with like a lemon. I'm sorry. Since when the Sprite tastes like piss, I would argue that people say the beer tastes like piss. No one says that. Literally no one has said that ever. Literally everybody says it. No one said this. Do you actually don't like Sprite?

Literally everyone said it. Sprite's okay. Okay. It's like a mid. He just wants to be a contrarian. I'm not being a contrarian. I'm just saying Sprite is made. He does it on purpose.

He does it on purpose. I'm not. Spryry is not mid. Come on. It's mid. It's mid. Is this gonna be the whole conversation, just people attacking me for things that I like

and don't like? Pretty much, I mean, this is- I see trash taste. This is Mouss episode, so we can let lead with the conversations and I think what she wants to lead with is. Do you like seven-up? Seven-ups is good too.

I still think lemonade's that great. What? Did you grow up with lemonade? Sprite is not lemonade. Sprite is lemonade. No, Sprite is lemonade. What? Sprite is not-lemonade.

What the hell? Sprite is not lemonade. Lemonade. No, it's not. What? Sprite is lemon lime. It's like a lemonade. It's a lemonade with lime. It is not like a lemonade.

Oh, my God. Oh, wait, whoa. Oh, my God. No, Sprite is not a lemonade. But the first Reddit post says there is no difference between lemonade and Sprite. Come on, I trust. I found your old.

That person's tongue is broken. Let me look at this guy. Look at this guy on Reddit. This is a smart guy on Reddit over here, okay? It tastes the fucking same. This sounds exactly the way Connor would write it. Okay, it tastes the fucking same. One may have a little less sugar than the other.

It's too small, you can't taste the difference. Oh, I know. Anyone who complains about it is pretentious. This might be my old account because it says, apparently in America, there's two completely different drinks, but in my country, parentheses, Australia. Yeah, because, okay, because I don't know, I don't know how it is in the UK, right?

But if you go to a restaurant and ask for a lemonade, more likely than not, they'll bring out a Sprite. No. No. Yeah. No. What is this misinformation you're spreading, Joey? Is this an Australia thing? What is what? How dare he talk about our country being like, yeah, you, you bring sprites all right?

No, I prefaced it by saying I don't know about the UK. Okay, okay. But in Australia, at least in my experience, if you ask for a lemonade, they'll bring out a sprite. Are you sure you just go and taste a difference? There's that as well. It's a fucking lemonade, right? Someone was like, do you want a lemonade and hand me a sprite? I'd be like, that makes sense.

Yeah. That counts. Okay, wait, wait, wait. I wouldn't complain. Let's, let's, okay. When we're speaking lemonade, right? Yeah, yeah, but this is like, not like. Are we talking like Schwepp's lemonade?

No. Like the fizzy one? Oh, I don't know. This is, I... Sweep. What's a Schwab? Oh, you guys don't have Schweps in America, do you? That's how I know you don't drink alcohol.

Yeah. What? I don't drink alcohol, con. Sweeps is like, normally used to, like, a mixer. Yeah. Like, alcohol alcohol beverages. Yeah, so when I think lemonade That's what...

And don't drink alcohol When I think... When I see lemonade, that's what I think about Which... Yeah, but okay, gone, but you can't tell me that if I blindfolded you right now I put a Schwepp's lemonade and a sprite in front of you That you'd be able to taste a difference

Actually, I would, Joe. Fuck off. Actually, I would. You would not. No fucking way, dude. I'm sorry, Joey. No, you would not. I'll put money on it.

Oh man, I'm so sorry for you had in this conversation almost immediately. I don't even know what we used to be talking about. But, Mouse, how have you been? Good. How have you been? Been good. I mean, this has been a long time coming, but before we get to that,

I just want to thank you because this technically is the second time you've been on something trash taste related. Yeah. Because you were a part of the After Dark stream. And I don't remember much of that stream because we were, kind of like getting to delirious modes.

I don't know if you remember much of that stream, but I am very thankful that you kept me up for like, what was it, five hours while these two were passed out. I think the VOD is... We rotated. Yeah, I think the Vod was seven and a half hours. Was it actually?

Something like that. It's like the longest video we've ever offered. I'm gonna be honest. I don't really remember. I think I was very, very intoxicated. Okay. That whole time. Sprite.

Too much Sprite. Too much Sprite. Yeah, too much Sprite. But you also, you also talked about your love of, like, older animas, right? And you think your taste, you got like Boomer tastes in anime. What the, what? Yeah, so. You have Boomer Tastes in anime?

I do, I do. See, you admit it. Yeah, but that, that can mean a lot of things. Because I grew up with my brother. Because, like, when I hear Boomer Tastes in anime, I do not. I hear my taste in anime now. Joey's tasting anime. Wait, wait, wait.

What is your idea of your taste slash boomer taste? Late 90s to early 2000s. Yes, yes. Are we on the same page with that? Is that where... Yeah, I think we're on the same page. I mean, boomer obviously has changed a meaning. Boomer has changed a lot.

It means old person. Yeah. It's quote unquote boomer. Yeah. So what are some of your favorite anime then? Uh, well, I love Sailor Moon. I'm named after Sailor Moon character. I always forget that.

Yeah, that's right. I was to forget that as well. True. Yeah. I mean, I remember ages ago, I did a video where I asked a bunch of V-tubers for their My anime list, and obviously I asked Mouse for hers. Oh, God, you saw it. Yeah, and I read it in a video, and I think there was like 20 or 30 10 out of tens, and

more than half were just every single season of Sailor Moon. Listen, 10 out of 10 because I enjoyed it. Did it make me happy? Yes. Did I have a good time watching it? Yes. Then it's a 10 out of 10. What made you want to name yourself after a Sailor Moon character? So what does Iron Mouse look like in Sailor Moon? I don't know.

Sailor Iron Mouse? We don't even look alike. Yeah, so wait, were you just like, that's the character? Oh yeah. Oh, yeah. Yeah, it does, yeah, I guess the same energy. Same gremlin. Yeah.

Started off as a gremlin. What do you mean same gremlin energy? She looks like a gremlin. Someone drew fanter of me and her together and I was like, man, I should cosplay her one day. You may as well. Or maybe the lows will come knocking if you do. When I was a kid, everybody called me mouse growing up because I'm small. Okay.

I'm four foot 10, right? and I liked Sailor Moon and I was like oh that character is so cute I like hyperfixated on herself I was like okay well yeah Iron Mouse Fair at all

So I didn't think about it So how did you actually get started in V-Tubing Because I don't think I've ever heard that story before A long long time ago Once upon a time No I you know I started V-Tubing

to me because I was, you know, lonely. I think, like, most of us can, like, agree that we started doing stuff because we're like, I just want to make friends online. I'm lonely and I have no friends. Yep. You know? But I saw Keyes in the eye and I was like, oh, man, I wish I could do that because I, I really wanted to stream, but I had, like, horrible anxiety because I didn't want people to see me

on camera. Yeah. because I'm sick in real life and I'm like attached to like medical devices and stuff so I was like man I just really don't want to I don't want to be on stream and have somebody like every five minutes come in like what the fuck is that what the fuck is that what's wrong with you you look at fucking I don't think they would ask that um no they wouldn't ask they would just call me horrible names and make me feel like shit no no they wouldn't I mean what are you serious no the internet no the internet People are so nice though. They're like really understanding. I feel like Connor like he lives in like delusional land where he thinks that like everybody's nice to women. Okay.

I don't think that. I'm not nice to women. I'm disabled and I'm Latino. Those are three horrible things. Horrible. Is this thing Latino horrible? According to the internet, yes. Okay, okay, okay.

The trifecta. But anyway. I think they're lovely things, so whatever. Yeah, yeah. No, but not, that's understandable. Yeah, I didn't want to be on camera, so, but I thought that, like, I thought, like, V-Tuber was, like, an exclusive thing to use an eye,

and I thought, oh, man, I'm too poor. I can't afford whatever she's working with. There's no way. And then a friend of mine was like, hey, you know, there's, like this software called a face rig, and, you can't really like an enemy character. I remember, you started off with face rig? Cause I remember,

Cause I used face rig before as well, for when? So I have, I have, I have videos, right? I have two videos. Are you a little furry? No, no. Yeah, there's the people who'd use the raccoon model, right, on stream, like that was a big thing.

Yeah, like the little dog. Yeah, yeah. Oh, that was, that was it. No, no, no, there's a raccoon default model that came with the software, people would always stream with. Right. There was a couple of, like,

you were kind of big with it. Because it came, it came with some default models for face rig. But I used... Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, that's right. But I used face rig once for, twice actually, for two videos, two scripted videos, huh? Even galleon one, right?

No. Oh, fuck. It was, I think, I think the name is, uh... Is it the Megamine? Yeah, the Megamine was in there. Your, I think it's like your wife who doesn't exist or something like that. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. And it was basically just a...

Oh, wait, did you use the Megamine Avatar? No, I got, so... It was an app. I remember this because I got, I also got, I made a video about this app as well. Yeah. It was this Megamin app that could,

that could, that you could talk with. Basically, it was kind of like chat GBT before chat GBT was a thing. Yeah. Where you could talk to Megamon. I think, I think it's blocked in Japan. Yeah, unfortunately. But it was a scripted video using their,

I think, I think their default to avatar, anime girl avatar, and it was just me voicing this girl, and that was it, that was just me playing on with FaceRig. The first V-Tuber. Yeah, we had, like, I remember the FaceRig app had, like this blue-haired girl, she kind of looked like Hatsunamiku or something, like a knockoff Hotsonamik. There was this blue-haired girl, and there was this orange-haired girl as well.

Yeah, oh, my God. Blast from the past. Yeah. Oh, my God. I'm remembering it all. So you started out doing Face Rig? How long were you on Facebook?

I did. You swapped to Live 2D, which Live 2D is one that everyone uses now, right? No. Yeah, everybody uses V-Tube Studio. It kind of like, Face Rig kind of like died and they were like,

wow, so many people are becoming V-tubers and using our app, so they decided to create a new app with a paywall with like, and I was like, fuck this, I'm out. Oh, no. What is this? You know, and thankfully,

somebody made V-tube studio Denchie, and it was just, wow, great. Amazing. Because what I want to know is, like, the V-tube world has evolved so much, obviously in the time you've been doing V-tubing. You know, there's so many, like, artists and rigors now, and, you know, so many people in the industry. But when you were starting off, how did you go about getting your first avatar made

or even entering the V-tubing world? Oh, my God. So I use, like, free models for, for a long time. I would rotate different models because I was just doing it for fun. Like I just wanted to make friends and stuff and I like for like the first

couple of years like I just had like five, 10 people watching me 15. I was just like I just want to hang out and just like talk shit with my friends and just like talk to people online and that's it and I could barely stream anyway because at the time I was still like really sick and it wasn't making any money

from streaming because it was just like a hobby. So I would only stream like 30 minutes, one hour, two hours, which to me it's like nothing now. But back then it was like, holy shit, I'd stream for one hour. I feel like I'm going to die. But then like after a while, I thought, you know, maybe I should like start taking this seriously. And I had like, I barely ever talk about this because it makes me uncomfortable. but I had people like bullying me and doing some really like fucked up shit to me.

So I was like, I think I'm just going to make my own character and I'm just going to take this seriously and I'm going to see where this takes me. So I sat down and I did the concept art for Iron Mouse and oh my God, it was so hard finding somebody to make my model because at the time, no one shared who made their models. No one would talk about it. There was no crediting the model artist. Everybody would like keep it like hush, hush. And I would, I remember asking several V-tubers that, you know, that I was like, hey, who made your model? They're like, oh, I can't tell you. Like, what the fuck?

Okay. All right. That's fine. I try to be like exclusive. I have some people be not so nice to me. Yeah. You know? Yeah.

When they don't share like how they did something or how they learn it. It's like. Yeah. It was just like... So much of our job is built on... Community, collaboration. Yeah. How many YouTube tutorials have you watched

that have, like, helped you out? And then to then turn around and be like, no, I don't want to share what I learned. It's like, dude, you wouldn't be here if it would for all the other people who are willing to share what they learned. So don't be an ass about it. So I hate those will do that.

And also, then you're just not giving people credit. Yeah, it just sucked. And because everybody was, no one was sharing, no one wanted to. So I just started going through the Face Rigged Steam Workshop and I started seeing who was making avatars and I was like, oh, well, here's a, here's a model that I've used quite a bit. And I emailed this Japanese person on through Gmail and I, and I went through like this like translation app and I was like, okay, I need to make sure that they understand what I'm saying.

And I and I sent them a message and I'm like this, I doubt that they're ever going to talk to me or they're ever going to answer me. But let's see. And I sent them a message and then they answered me back and they're like, sure, I'll make you a model. Wow okay Damn, and they did and that was my first model artist and I wouldn't be here today if it wasn't for them So thank you. Shout out to you I forgot I don't know what you Shout out to you around a Japanese person If things move too fast yes

Yes, shout out to that one Japanese bro I just don't know their name anymore. I don't know their name anymore oh god when did it start changing them where people would start like Actually crediting their v-tuber like models so I know I know now like if you don't credit them on Twitter or something like in your bio It's kind of like frowned upon right or something or stuff like yeah Totally long coming basically yeah like what did that change? Yep I think Everything started changing once like all alive and like me just on me sure

Oh okay They started crediting and then everybody in the indie scene was like well I guess we have to credit too then God damn it I've got to credit people God damn Colpo's ruined it for everyone So you said you designed your first avatar yourself. What? I did. What thought process goes behind that?

Because me personally, I've never designed an OC. Yeah, I've never done it. Here's my OC. Joey, Joey, Joey, can you say the same? I never had that. I never had that at all, Joey. Never had that. I don't know what you're talking about.

Never had that. I don't know what you're talking about. Do you have a deep into account, Jerry? I used to, but I deactivated it many years ago. Well, because you're a pretty good artist as well, so you drew it, right? Me? Yeah. No, who else am I talking to?

You said that I'm a good artist? Well, yeah, you do good artwork, right? I do, but I just draw stuff that people don't want to look at. Yeah, so did Picasso, but we're looking now. Yeah. I think you just described it. Yeah, I did. I drew my own concept art. I sat down with myself and I was like, what do I want to be?

And I was very close to becoming a bunny girl V-tuber, but I was like, man, I just don't feel like that. And I have like, I grew up in a Catholic house. So I grew up with the whole like obsession with angels, demons, the devil, all this stuff. So I was like, you know what, I think I'm just gonna be a demon, and I think I'm just gonna be Satan. We grew up in a Catholic house. How about I just be Satan, actually?

Yeah, so that is my visual persona. I am Satan. Oh, also, I just remember the name of the person who did my first model, Ketoma, Ketoma, shout out to Ketama. I feel about never crediting artists, you know. Yes, Ketama! So do you have a demon to account, Mouse? No. You don't?

You've never had one? No, she definitely does. She does. No, no, I don't. I don't. I don't. I would only ever do, like, traditional art. So, like, I've never done digital art.

Right. So I never had a divin art, because I always felt like, oh, people who do deviant art just do, like, digital art and I don't do that. I draw suffering anime girls with, like, nosebleeds and, like, their heads chopped off. That's base. That's so base.

Did I, did I ever tell you guys my story with, Sydney's deviant heart account. What? Okay, I guess I haven't there. Oh my God, okay. Wait, what? So, Sydney. Oh, Lord, oh, God.

Sydney in, you know, this was way back when, this was like, you know, back in her full meta alchemist days. Wait, wait, wait. She had a full metal alchemist day? Oh, oh, no, no, no. She was obsessed with Edward Elric. To be fair, this was in middle school, right? I mean, who wasn't, though?

Perfect time, by the way, to get into it. You know, she was obsessed with Edward Elric in middle school, apparently, and she had a devintar account. Okay. I don't like where this is going. I don't like where this is going. I don't like that. It's going to be weird, isn't it? It's going to be so weird.

It's going to be so weird. Normal socially, you know, normal upstanding citizen that she was when she was in the middle school. Okay. She would draw fan pictures of her making out with editing. Oh my gosh. Oh my God. And you have to show me. No, no, no, no, no.

I cannot show you, right? Why? Because fast forward. Fast forward. Like, you know, fast forward all the years when I meet Sydney, right? And I get to know some of her friends. She had forgotten that this deviant artist is. No.

So I'm in a call with one of her friends. Yeah. And this is just before, this was before we started dating, but, you know, we, you know, we're still speaking. And obviously, we had an interest. each other, but, but, uh, I was talking to her friend and she was in the call. Yeah. Uh, and he was like, yo, you wanna see something, you wanna see something funny? No. That's brutal. Link Sydney's deviant art account.

And, and I, I get the full, I get the full view of her entire deviant art history. Like, like, when we say like, when we say like making out, like, like, how Like I want no dates. Like how hot? You want to know deeds? How hot? How hot? Are we talking like tongue and everything?

Uh, we're, we're talking like, like Mario and Sonic making out. Hell yeah. But, uh... You know what, good on Sydney. Good on Sydney. I mean, personally, she was very embarrassed that I specifically got to see it. Yeah.

And she immediately deleted the entire account. Aw. But I still view it as a very fond memory. A very funny memory, but a very, very fun memory. Hey, look, you can't, look, in my opinion, if you're an anime fan from your teens, you cannot go through your teen years as an anime fan without having those like really fucking awkward moments

with anime. Yeah. Yeah. It's just, it's just facts. I mean, I didn't. Okay, all right. You didn't, mouse? Who asked? Your line.

You're lying. You're lying. You're wrong. You must be lying. You are absolutely like, you're a Sailor Moon fan. Of course you went through that phase. Did you not have a, did you not have a, like, a childhood anime crush? Because I swear every, every, like, every female friend I have.

Sydney's was, Edward. What was yours, mouse? My enemy crush, uh... Hmm. Because I remember another friend of mine was, like, had this total, like, phase with, uh, what's that guy from in Yasha? Setsho-Maru, oh my god. I found her old CrunchRoyle account,

and it was, she had made like a tribute to Setsho-Maru. And everyone has this dark history. I mean, look, Setsho-Maru, would. Yeah, 100% would. Do you remember who you had a crush on, Bouse? I mean, I guess, like, Mamoru from Sailor Moon, but like, see, I just, like, I don't know. I don't know.

I mean, that's the problem with Sailor Moon is that there are, there's like one dude. Yeah. Is it a Tuxedo Mask? Yeah. Oh, he's Memorial? Yeah. Okay. I would be honest, bro, I like Sailor Uranus better.

I was gonna say, I'm like, okay, okay. I was gonna say, like, were you like saying to Uranus, Sailor Neptune fan? Yeah, yeah. Yeah. That was me. That was me. The girls, you know? Yeah.

I never watched it. I feel like I missed out. Sayla Uranus and Sailor Neptune awoke me to my, like, lesbian. How can you be a lesbian? No, no, no, as in like my interest to like... You know, the way you were that in lesbian. No, no, no, no.

What are you saying? No, I didn't look at that and be like, maybe I'm a lesbian. No, as in like, because you know, I watched that when I was... When did that come out? I probably watched that when I was 13, 14, something like that, when that came out. And, you know, unlike in the... the west where it changed to cousins.

What? What? Yeah, they made them cousins. They made them cousins in the US version, which. Because lesbians. Doesn't that make it worse? Yeah, that's what I'm saying. Or maybe maybe maybe maybe, maybe Alabama was like, yeah.

Was this localized in the south? Uh, yeah, probably Texas, yeah. Yeah, Texas, yeah. Checked out. No, they ain't fucking new Christians. Yeah, so like, cause like, so there was no signs of that at all in the first, you know, season of Sailor Moon, right?

Like, it was all, you know, just like, everyone was like, oh, Mamoru. But then, say, you're gonna, you're gonna, Selenetor Neptune come out, and they're like, really close. And I'm like, you know, 13 year old, 14 year old me, is like, what's going on? Like, they're really close.

And then when, and then, in that, yeah, and then there's that one scene where they first kiss, and I was just like. Wait, they kiss? Like cinema. Yeah, let's go! Wait, they, they kiss and they made them cousins? Yeah.

There was like this, hand holding with their hands like their hands they were doing like these weird like hand movements and and it's like oh yeah their cousins and it's just like hey no cousins do not do that I don't know what the fuck they were thinking I've never done that with my cousin no I don't know what the fuck they were thinking when they changed that but I'm pretty sure I'm not the only kid though who grew up with that scene in Salem moon and was like oh hold on girl on girl it's kind of hot you know I'm trying to think of this. Because I think we can all agree as straight guys, girl on girl stuff is pretty hot. Am I wrong in assuming that?

Yeah, no, yeah. Yeah, you're not even a guy mouse, and you agree, girl on girl stuff can be pretty goddamn hot. I agree. It's an embarrassing. When I was like 13, I thought it was like, it was like,

because you know, you're so self-conscious about how you're being, like, perceived and how you perceive yourself. Sure. You know, when you go on the internet, you search things out i was like i thought it was gay to watch a guy having sex for the one i was like that's so gay i was like i don't want to look a dick i'm not gay so i would like i'm definitely straight i'm definitely straight i don't want to see no pee no i don't because you're a

fucking dumb teenager that you think is like right sorry mass sorry oh my god you're so dumb sorry oh my god you You just fucking unlocked a core memory of mine of like the first time. Yeah, sorry, we're gonna really off. We've gone off the tangent. You've seen enough trash days, Melvin, you know how it goes. But that reminded me of the first time that,

fuck, how old was I? I was probably like also 13. Man, a lot of shit happened when I was 13 and 14. So it's a very, it's a very formative era. Yeah, totally. But it was the first time like where, I think it was just around the time when like kind of sharing Bluetooth video

Oh, yeah. Via phone was like a big thing. And like, I remember. Scary maze. Yeah, scary maze and like just the most low-hauled videos. The one with the car going down. Yep, yeah. And then it's the screaming.

But of course, you know, as a 13, 14-year-old boy and also me who went to an all-boys school, you're going to start sharing porn, like really low-grade porn with one another. You always got it from like a, you always got it from like, if you were in like year-eight, year-eight, year-nine. Tell me you came from an all-boy school. Yeah.

It's like, if you were in like year-eight, year-night, You guys act like that's just exclusive to guys. Girls did it too. Girls did it too? Okay, I'm glad. I thought I think they were as willing to share there, surely. I don't know. I don't know what's going in Puerto Rico, but I don't know.

No, but I remember specifically, like, there was, like, one dude, it was, like, on the bus. It was in the back of the bus with his, like, fucking motor roller razor phone. Yeah, I love those. And he was like, guys, check this out. And he started playing this, like, 120 p. Like, porn video. Oh, my gosh. all the guys are like gathered around it

and we're all watching it and then I specifically remember it was like near the end where the guy I guess is just there's a shot where it's just the girl and everyone's like yeah okay it's pretty sick really cool and then for some reason in this porn there's this scene there's the shot where the camera

for some reason hands up to the dude's face as he's nutty and it's just like it's just like I'm like first of As a porn director, that's just a bad.

No, the cameraman knew what he was doing. I'm like, you completely missed the money shot. And for some reason, just zooming in on this dude's face just going, oh! And all of us in the back of the bus is just like, we're gay now. We just watch that. Well, you're just so, you know,

because I felt like we were all told so, such dumb things we were growing up. Of course. So you're always like, I'm so worried about this. It's just so stupid, right? Yeah. Kids are impressionable, unfortunately. Sorry, Mouse for subjecting you

to that conversation. Yes. I completely forgot what we were talking about. V-TUV-TUV-T. Yeah, we were talking about crediting V-2s, how that changed, whole life, flew it all up. I guess, so you started doing, and you said you were trying to make it serious.

When did you feel like it was like actually becoming a bit more serious? Like, what was there a moment where you were like, oh, I feel like this is like actually a full, like a job I can pursue? Like when I got my first model, like for real, for real. That was really for real.

when everything really started, yeah. I think so. Yeah, I had my first stream and I'm like, oh my god, this is me. It was weird because like, when you become a V-tuber, there's that moment when you look at yourself in your model and you see yourself

and you're like, holy shit, this is me. Yeah, that's what I feel right now. And like you have like a connection. It's me for real. Oh, please. That's me right here. Yeah, Connor, Connor's never had a V-tuber avatar. No, no, no.

Never had a Vichu or Avatar. Never. No. No. No. It feels like. No. It feels right.

I like the full body emotion. I was there for his V-tuber debut. Oh yeah, I did a V-tuber debut. Yeah, how did you forget? You did and I was there. Well, no, because that was, like, very different because I'd hired three different people on Fiverr to do it. Oh, I remember this video. Yeah, yeah.

Yeah, it was not very good. It was not the best. No, no, the final one was good. Yeah, it was good. I guess just the rigging was not like good. Yeah, but how many years ago was that? Yeah, sure. I mean, for the time, it was, it was good.

Yeah. It was okay. Yeah. And also at that time, I didn't know, like, how much this stuff should cost. So I think I ended that selling like $1,500 on that, which now I think is quite low for a good model. Yeah. But I guess back then, that was kind of like,

I don't know, that felt like a lot back then. I don't know what the standard was. I mean, $1,500 is still a lot of money. You don't want to know how much they spend. Well, I know, I know you spend, like, the GDP of like Lichtenstein on your models but I'm how much did you spend on that first model do you remember like roughly or like the range

my first model cost me a thousand 500 I think oh my god so the same as you yeah same as you call that way by the way I I got that model I saved up for a year for that model

oh damn and there you go look at you now it took me a year to get that money that was an investment I could finally pay to get it Yeah, I was just like, I can't believe I'm spending this on that. Like, I, I was like, I can't tell my mom this. She's going to kill me.

Because at the time, you know, I spent $1,500 on what? I'm a sick girl, you know? Well, yeah, because I'm, like, struggling, like, with my meds and stuff. And here I am spending money on a fucking V-tiver model. And if my mom were to find out, she'd kill me. And I'm like, oh, God. So I was like, I really hope that, like, this works out.

Yeah, but your mom eventually found out, right? What did she say? Oh, yeah. When did your mom? find out. One thing my mom found out, my mom

officially found out I was a V-tuber when I got my first like Twitch check and when I got it I'll never forget because it was the most money I've ever seen

in my life. I've never seen that much money in my entire life and I went to my mom and I was like I'm paying all the bills. Hell yes. So I was just like

yeah. She's pretty sure you were like like mom, I got you. I got all the and then she was like, where did you get this money? And I'm like, I got it on the internet. She's like, what are you doing on the internet?

You couldn't have said it in any more of a sauce way. Yes. I got this money from the internet. Yes, strangers just kept sending me money. Well, she thought I was like, are you doing, well, she thought I was doing like something that she didn't expect me to do. Oh, oh, oh. Oh, oh.

Oh, Jerry got it. In her mind, she was like, you can't do that. You're sick. Oh, no. Oh, damn. And then I was like, mom, don't worry. I'm not, I'm not doing that. I'm V-Tubing.

And she's like, what is V-Tubing? And I'm like, oh, well, I had to try to explain to her, but she didn't understand what it was. And then the second thing she asked me was, is this legal? Are we going to get in trouble? Yeah, I guess it is just a completely different world if you think about it. Because, like, yeah, God. Have you ever tried to explain to your parents what V-Tubing is?

I mean, I had to eventually. I don't know when I had that conversation with them, but they were like, what is this Iron Mouse thing? Yeah. What is this iron mouse thing? Is this like an AI or something? What is this? Yeah, that's, they always say that.

The first time I showed my Kizna Eye collab to my mom, she was like, so she's like AI or like, what is she? And I'm like, she's just a Japanese woman in a mocap suit. She's like, what, how does that work? Yeah, because I think for a lot of like, people like my parents age our parents age i think it was like kind of strange for to explain youtube to begin with oh yeah and so they were like well i guess i guess it makes yeah like it took me a couple of years to get their head around it but yeah they're like yeah i guess that makes

sense yeah yeah and then this is like a whole new thing where they're like okay i don't understand any of this yeah the tech is confusing like i don't so i think that's like what was probably had to be explained sure maybe you heard like 10fold of like here's what it is here's the people are watching his why I'm getting paid for it that's like a lot of stuff yeah I'm I basically told my mom like my mom understands is like I'm a doll on the internet and I do a little show and that's what she that's what she thinks in her mind okay it's a good idea she thinks that like everybody who is online who's an online content creator I told you this before Connor where she's like yeah when I tell her

oh I told my mom about Connor and I told my mom about my other vituber friends she's like oh what's wrong with them and I'm like what do you What do we begin? What do we begin? What's wrong with them? What disease do they have? Because there's no reason why somebody would be home making money on the computer if they weren't sick with a debilitated disease.

He's got that, uh, Connor officially has that goopy goblin gamer brain. There's a lot wrong with me. I don't know that way to begin. So I have to explain to her mom, you know, these people are normal. Sure, there's people that are sick. Normal. What? I don't know about that.

Most of the people that I interact with. Yeah, okay, you know what I mean, okay? They're normies. Yeah, I know, I know. Yes. And I'm like, most of the people that interact with are healthy people, they're fine. And she's like, that is very interesting. Why would hell of people need to do this?

My parents, my dad. Well, she just didn't, she didn't think that it could be like a career path that people could choose. And now, you know, now she's changed her mind. I think, it's like. She still doesn't get it, though. There's like way more TV and overproducing. people are looking for more like, you know, more personalized, more kind of authentic kind of content.

I think that's why streamers have done so well. Yeah. Yeah. My dad also thought I was scamming people when I started. What? He just assumed I was scamming people. Right. He's not wrong. Well, considering your past corner,

that actually does check out. So that kind of makes sense. He assumed that because I was making money online, I was up to no good. He thought I was like scamming. Maybe, you know, I would have been doing crypto rug polls 10 years ago. That's where I got my introduction to the internet. But no, he was like, you must be scathing people.

I'm like, no, no. I mean, when did your parents find out you were doing YouTube? Like, how far into your career? Like, really? Like, like, fourth video. I was like, I'm doing this. Because I made like five bucks. I was like, I was like, dude, check this shit out.

I made five bucks. And they're like, what? From like videos? I'm going to go to the stored by a sprites. $5. Because I remember, maybe you guys remember this too. Maybe you do this well, I'm mouse, but like, the first time you, like, enable, like, payment

or, like, earning money on YouTube or Twitch or whatever. Yeah. The first day you check, like, nothing happens, right? You're like, ah, but it's been for one day. Come on. It takes, like, two or three days to catch up normally. Yeah. And then, like, when it finally showed, like, $2.5, I was like,

yo, what the heck? And then I got the phone. I was showing him, I was like, look, look, look at this. Look at this. I was like, look, look, look. Oh, yeah, I didn't show my mom on. So I had that money in my bank. Oh, it wasn't in my bank.

Yeah, they were like, when do you get it? Like, I didn't show it to her. Because there's like a threshold before they pay you, and then everyone's for, hey, look, and she'd be like, where are these imaginary dollars at? You know what I mean? What are these monopoly money? Yeah, I guess that makes sense.

I probably should have done that in hindsight, but I don't know, I was just happy to share. Fair, fair. I don't know. That's so sweet. What about you gone? I don't even remember. I know it must have happened,

but it was so late. after I started doing YouTube. It was like five years after I started doing YouTube before my parents found out, I think. Oh, wow. And I'm trying to remember, because I have this vague recollection of just, you know, telling them, and my mom's just like,

that's cool, that's cool, yeah, you have a hobby. And I was like, I make money from it as well, and she's like, that's really, okay, okay, well, you should have started off with that actually. Just Asian families. Just Asian families in general. No, well, my mom too. My mom too, she was like very skeptical and stuff.

But then the second she saw that I could pay bills and stuff, she was like, that's great with your little show. That's amazing. With the little doll show. That's so cute. So you saved up 1,500 of the first model. And like, did you feel like guilty when you were saving up the whole time? You're like, I shouldn't be doing this.

Like, I shouldn't be like. this money for this or was you were you like I gotta do this like I need this more than the meds like for me I felt bad I did I I was like what am I doing why am I doing this am I am I an idiot like why who gives a shit you know I was just like this could all be over like I could just like not stream ever again and at the time I was like going through something and I think I think when I was getting that model like I even have like surgery around that time I don't remember if it landed around like when I got the model or before but I just remember like

thinking man am I don't like what am I thinking but I'm glad that I that I did I mean best investment of your life yeah yeah definitely yeah it's just it's just been a crazy ride since then I just never expected any of this stuff to ever take off and it's great My first model, I got it at the end of 2019, beginning of 2020. So, I think the first day I got it, it was like, yeah, it was like December 2019, I think. Oh, that was just before we moved to. Because before that, I was just using, like, free models. That makes sense.

Is it still pretty common to start with a free model and, like, then get your own V-Tuber avatar? I feel like there's a lot of pressure. I feel like there's a lot of pressure for people. Now you have a model. I've seen people like say debut coming 2026 and it's just like, girl just start streaming. What are you doing? So far away.

People waiting for their models. They think they have to like spend a lot for a model and I get it. You know, a lot of people think that the look is important. And in a sense, yes, that is part of it. But it's like if you suck, if you're not entertaining, you know, you can have a beautiful model. but if you don't like streaming and you're not having fun and you're not, you know, engaging with people, like, it's going to be, it's going to be difficult,

you know what I mean? Yeah, totally. So it's like, I mean, I think it's exactly the same. I think it's exactly the same with like, you know, when YouTubers start doing, you know, a YouTube channel. Like, oh, I'm going to start a YouTube channel. I have to buy, you know, the most expensive camera and the most expensive microphone.

It's like, no, just start. Yeah, I think actually this so many times, but like, you know. It's an investment. Like, first and think if you like, it stop and think if you like it try it out like use a free model and then if you really like it then start investing in it you know because there are people that I've met that like they pay for the model and then they realize oh man I hate streaming never mind yeah spent five grand on this fuck I'm fuck totally yeah I mean

like you know big streamers like you know like Tyler won and stuff they he's like the worst setup known to man and you know yeah successful right there's you don't need good setups and I think people get lost in that a lot when it comes to streaming or YouTube, when ultimately it just comes down to being fun and engaging. I mean, how do you think the V-Tchieming world has changed since you started? Because eight years ago, I mean,

in internet terms, it's a very long time. Ancient. Yeah. Ancient, God. It is ancient. An entire generation. Wow, thanks for reminding me, I'm old. You're old.

Yeah, I'm old. Oh, God. It's changed quite a bit. I feel like there's just so much pressure now to do specific stuff to be a specific way to have like this incredible polished model and to just be perfect and there's just so much pressure on on debuting and all this stuff like when I came when I when I started between I don't have a debut I just started streaming and now everything is like a debut everything has to be a big event and all this stuff and it's like I I think that's great but it's a

lot of pressure for somebody who's starting and it could be very stressful for somebody just like starting out and um yeah especially on the tech side of things as well yeah oh god yeah there's just so many options now like i remember back then it was just face rig and now we have vtube studio but vtube studio is so robust with like features now and people make stuff like mods to like put stuff in and we have like so many options for like 3d like you don't have to have like an expensive mocap studio to do 3D V-tubing, which is amazing, I think. And it's just, I feel like in some ways, it's more affordable and more accessible than ever.

But then there's also the, the, the, uh, expensiveness of it all too. So I mean, I feel like it's a lot of things. My models now are not cheap. Yeah, it's true. But I do like being in the motion capture. It's fun, dude. I love walking around.

Why don't you do a little bit? Okay, I've had enough for staying down for a bit. I'm going to stop a little bit. We've reached... Oh, God, they're jumping around. We've reached the part of the episodes where... I'm going to go on your side now. They just want to play with their bodies.

What the fuck? Excuse me? Being in mocap is fun. Guys, this is a podcast. Yeah, we are podcasting, but we can move around. Hello, Spotify listeners. You're not seeing any of this right now. Yeah, Spotify listeners, you should probably hop onto the Trash Taste YouTube channel

and check this out. with visuals, otherwise, you're just gonna hear a bunch of grunting and like movements. What's up? What's up? By the way, guys, I haven't had a chance to, uh, I haven't had a chance to congratulate on your cyclathon this year, guys. Oh, thank you. Thank you.

Yay. Yeah. What was your favorite part of the psychathon this year, mouse? My favorite part? Yeah. All of it, the fact that I got to be on the bike. Oh yeah, yeah, did you see that? We had mouse on the bike.

Oh, I missed that day. We had a rig made where we put an iPad on the front. Oh, cool. So we had an iPad, and the brand-new iPad is like really good, I guess, for Discord calls or something. So I don't know what the tech is, mouse would be better than me. But yeah, we were just able to have Mouse on the bike. So we were talking while cycling and Mouse was singing. It was great.

Oh, cool. Hell yeah. Fuck yeah. I'm tired now, by the way. Old man. All in cycling and now you're tired after a little bit of jumping? Well, okay, jumping is a strenuous exercise.

I don't know if you've ever been to a trampoline park. It gets tiring fast. That is true. No, I haven't been to a trampoline park. Thank you for reminding me I can't go. Okay, that's not my problem, just so you know. So I heard on the days that I was on that you were laughing at the fact

when I was questioning Connor for wearing sunscreen every day. Wait, what? I was getting shit for this. Yeah, Joe, Joe, I wanted to ask you, do you wear sunscreen every day? No. That's why I'm so fucking brown.

You're supposed to wear sunscreen every day? I didn't realize this until I talked to Sydney, and I was like, and I was like, yeah, get a load this guy. I can't wear sunscreen every day, and she's like, I wear sunscreen every day. Come on. Do you have sunscreen every day, mass? Why would I wear sunscreen,

I don't know, maybe the, maybe, you know, the ambient light is bad for your face, I don't know. It's good for your skin, you think the blue light is like I just thought, why not? I mean, mine's got moisturiser two built in, so it's like a two and one.

Okay, well, that makes sense. I do have a moisturizer, yes. I do, I do moisturize. Every day. You got to put sunscreen. I don't know. You got to, you got a, You got a moisturized.

I don't do anything. The sun prematurely ages you. I'm just letting you know. It does. It does. That's why, like, if you have sunscreen, you don't get like... See, this is like, I was saying, I said on the stream.

I know after hearing the science, you should wear sunscreen in a day. It makes sense. But I'm like, this sounds like a white person thin. Okay, this is partially a white person thing, but I age like milk, so I need to do it to stay up for you guys. And after Sydney, and after speaking to Sydney, I was like, holy shit, it is confirmed. I've been dating for like over 10 years. I just found out today that the moisturize you put on is sunscreen

and you put it on every day. Also, non-white people do this too. It's just a white people activity. Yes, yes. It's not like lacrosse. Hey, at least it's better than, you know, when the Japanese women put on those like half sleeves. I like those, though.

See, I would rock those. Have you seen these masks? Yeah, have you ever seen like, especially during the summer when they're like, for example, you know, because it's hot as balls, right? So they would obviously wear, like, maybe short sleeves or whatever.

But then they would also, no, not a hot sleeve tattoo. It's like, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. They wear these things or like doilies. Yeah, they wear, yeah, they wear these things where it basically covers their forearms from the sun when, you know, they're wearing like a t-shirt or a dress or, you know, whatever.

Wait, am I imagine? I swear I think I saw Gary wear one of these, but I don't know if it was. Well, yeah, well, yeah. Yeah, yeah. Yeah, yeah. It's basically, it's basically like an extra protection. I'm sure they're wearing sunscreen,

but it's extra protection in case you know, you're very sensitive to the sun. It's because a lot of people don't want to wear sunscreen because it's kind of oily. And on your arms especially, it just doesn't feel good when you touch things. So I think people just want to put something on. I sometimes, look, the sun kills me,

but I've used the umbrella in the past. I honestly think it's just a cultural thing because in Thailand, at least, or in Southeast Asia, we try to avoid the sun as much as possible just by design, you know? We can always tell there's like a tourist or foreigner when they want to like sunbath

or like go out and like go out in the sun and I want to do... I don't get sunbathing. I, yeah, I've never gotten sunbathing, but I want to do whatever I can to stay outside the sun as much as possible. I mean, I'll put sunscreen on in Australia during the summer. You sound reluctant, yeah. You're like, I guess I'll put it on.

No, I have to put it on because the sun in Australia during the summer is like a fucking laser pointed at your skin. Yeah. And this is the reason why Australia has like the highest rate of skin cancer in the war. Yeah, I've got the Australian, skin skin cancer council sunscreen yeah yeah yeah that's the one that like yeah that's the one that like they teach kids to like use every day like in the school yeah i mean yeah i mean i used to wear it during

school but then once i got out of school it's like fuck you guys i haven't gone have you ever goes on the time have you ever like um no i guess some but he can't tan okay okay all right you can't fun of me now are we okay we don't all right i'm not making fun of you it's just the truth Like, it's, it's, it's, you can't tan. Why not? Who says I can't? Because you're white. Well, that's, that's why he can't.

Connor? No, no, that's why he can't. Because there's been IRAs together where we have gone out and like you went out in the sun and in like 10 minutes you were red. Yeah, that does happen. That does happen. I've never been sunburn. I've never been sunburn. You've never been sunburn?

You just don't know. I've definitely been sunburn. I've legitimately never been sunburn. That's not possible. I feel like. I haven't because I feel like I would know if I've, what does sunburn feel like? What does sunburn feel like?

Um, would just feel like your skin is a bit like, um, stinging slightly? Yeah. I've never, you've definitely had it. You've definitely had it. I don't know what to tell you, man. Maybe I have, and I don't remember. Yeah.

You are liars. Maybe, maybe, you are lilies. Maybe very lightly, but I've seen people, I've told you, I've never been sunburn. I believe you. I believe you. I believe you. Everyone knows anime girls don't get sunburns.

Because like I've seen people like when they get sunburned like where they're like skin starts like peer-offish or like that's like severe. Like that's like serious sunburn. Have you gotten that? Uh, no that's bad. No, that's bad. Yeah, that looks fucking painful. That's how good? That's not good.

Speed run. Yeah. I probably got it when I was on like a beach. Did you say skin cancer simulator? Yeah. What the heck? Yes. Well, I mean, that's what it, like if I stood out, I mean the odds of me getting it would rapidly

increase. Yeah, true. I mean, yeah, I try to avoid the sun. I'm just like, I'm Latino, so it's like I go outside in five minutes, I'm toasty. It's a buff. I've got the white people debuff where my head starts hurting if I'm out in the sun too long. Your head starts hurting? I get headaches

if I'm directly in sun. Yeah, I don't know. Any kind of sun? Like intense sun. Oh yeah, okay, if it's intense, if it's like Japanese summer sun. Yeah, I get really bad. I thought it's like British summer sun. And I was like, That shit weak as fuck. Wait, what's the difference between what's British Summer Sun?

British Summer Sun is like having a desk lamp up to your face. I don't know, it's like, because like, you know, it's like, I imagine like a Puerto Rican kind of heat level, you know, similar on the equator, very intense. Oh, it gets pretty hot. Whereas like the UK is so far north. It's like being in like Maine. Yeah. It's like very not intense. Well, I mean, except for those heat waves, you guys.

That was fucked. I don't know. I don't think about it. I don't give a fuck. I'm a YouTuber now. I don't care. I can't tan anymore. I can't tan anymore.

You're as time as you're ever going to be, Joey. I'm as tan as I'm ever going to be in this form. Oh, I broke my arm. Oh, God. I broke my arm. I can't, I can't get over our little, little, little eddy-bitty arms as well. Our hands are so small too.

Look at that. Look at that. Yeah, look what I did in my arm. What the? Oh, okay, hold, I gotta recalibrate, hold on. Keep this in, Murda. Yeah, keep this in. This is important.

This is the behind the scenes of a recalibration. We've had to do so many T poses today. Oh, there we go. Oh, all fixed. Perfect, there we go. Now I'm a new man, changed, improved, some say. I don't know who says that. No one's saying.

No one says that. No one says that. Oh, God. So how's your year this year been so far, Mouse? My year this year? Yeah. Well, this past year. Crazy, like every year.

Are you going to anime expo again this year? I'm assuming you haven't gone on a panel of Connor again. Yeah, we're doing it on the panel again. Yeah, we're doing the panel. I'm excited. I always love doing the panel. Yeah. I just love being in front of a crowd.

I think like it's fun to work a crowd. It's fun to interact with a crowd. You just like controlling people. That makes it sound a lot more sinister than how I actually feel like. No, no, I- also true. But also true. I mean, I'm only human. I like power, but I don't want to be controlling. That doesn't sound very fun.

You just like having the power. I like having the power to control people. Yes, exactly. To control a crowd. But I wouldn't use it. But if I did use it, I would use it very respectfully. That's a lie. Yeah, we weren't on two whole fucking tours together. And I was very respectful in my use of power. No, you were not.

Why you? I'm very respectful. People said I was too respectful. said no one it's going to be fun all right the ex panel will be fun I'm sure it'll go great I think so it'll be a great time

we'll have a great time because what did you guys do last year you guys did the panel together we've done a panel every every a ex we've done three panels now is it just like a Q&A kind of thing yeah we've so we normally have a Q&A part of the panel but we normally have a bit of banter

and stuff beforehand and do some kind of fun stuff I think all the other panels are available to watch online, I think, right? Am I, am I? Yeah. They are. So, yeah, if you are interested in saying it, we'll probably, we're recording it again? I don't know. I assume so.

Yes. Okay, we're recording it. Or streaming it, maybe, I don't know. So it would be fun. Yeah, well, I specifically asked if we could stream it and, you know. Oh, nice. We'll see. All right, well, that'll be good then.

Sick, fun. You've also achieved quite a lot in recent times. You did hold the subscriber. account record for a little bit of time oh yeah how do we fucking gloss over that yeah on twitch what was the total number was that last year it was september late last okay okay but we even had mouse answer yes it's like a worthy thing to talk yeah yeah yeah wait how many subs did you hit overall i don't know the last uh final number did you know what it was around it was like around um 326 000 who oh my god i i i i

Damn. 313,000? No. Yeah, 313,000 it says. On September the 30th. Holy shit. Oh, it was 326. 326, 256, yeah.

My lord, that's insane. Far out. Yeah. That was, like, a surreal moment in my life. It did feel like the Avengers watching all people on Twitch trying to help you get there. Like every streamer was like, let's do it. I just couldn't believe what was happening and I was crying the whole time I didn't understand why this was happening but I'm very grateful and my community is very kind to me and um you know

it was a it was a surreal thing and um I'll remember it forever yeah hell yeah it was really cool to see I mean uh I just remember when you finished doing that's up a song I just I don't know why I just always remember you singing like I think Frank Sinatra and I was just playing fact satisfactory and I'm just playing this I'm like building my like refining my aluminium farm while listening to mouse like cry and sing oh my god I ended my stream and we were supposed to play more satisfactory and I had like a mental breakdown on stream emotional breakdown on stream and I just started like bawling and he's like you need to calm down

that makes you sound so much cold yeah I'm trying to optimize you I'm trying to optimize you. Would you mind stop your crying? There's this manifold right now. There's a manifold. Figure out. It's a manifold is going to fix itself. There was a nuclear power plant and I was trying to keep it running.

It's a serious endeavor, okay? Oh my God. It didn't help it. I've been live for days. I think I was live for like 40-something days. Yeah, I was like you should just take a moment, go and chill out. Yeah.

Take five, like go and breathe. Yeah. Because I think, you know, people, sometimes it's so tough. because people get obviously so attached, especially because you've been live for like 30 days or more than that, nearly, I think. And like, I think people, you know, they want to help when they hear people crying

or especially on stream and stuff, so they feel so connected. Yeah. So I always feel like, okay, you know, if you're just kind of going through it, you just need to be able to do that alone and not have to show that sometimes people. Yeah.

So I think that's why I'm like, all right, you should go and take a moment, compose yourself, come back. Because, you know, you don't want people to feel like worry about you, right? Yeah. And there's no reason to. Because what is, it like being live for just that many days in a row because I think I'm mentally ill so true I could have

told you that actually I just I just feel like no sane person would could would want to do that but it's like I had a great time it's it's the most when I do sub-a-thon it's the most fun I have because I just I really like being live and I like spending time with Chad and I like just sharing my life with people yeah But you don't have any privacy and you don't have a moment to breathe and you don't because you know I don't know how other people do their showtathons There's some people that like pause and they step away from the computer or they'll take a break for the day or they'll end and come back the next day But I go straight through and I stay in front of the computer the whole time like I don't leave I am here from day one to the end the to the last day I sleep on camera I do every everything on camera like I do not move from my area so it's like I I just have no time to myself yeah and I and that time I didn't have any time to like process

everything that happened so I was like you know I feel I think like the when when my South at end it I was like depressed for like two weeks oh oh I think I think I get that a little bit after cycling too because I'm like oh no, I don't have to go live, but like, I wanna, I'm like so used to going live, so I'm like, all right, this is kind of part of your routine. Yeah, I can't get used to it. It's like Stockholm syndrome for your chat.

Yeah, yeah, yeah. You get into it, and you're like, oh no, I don't have to go live. Like, I mean, you're kind of like, oh, that's nice, but at the same time, you're like, what now? You're like, it's so quiet. Yeah, yeah. I can just sit here in silence.

But then I go and like, eat some good food, and then I'm like, I'm so back. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah, because I- Well, good for you. I can't necessarily do that. Well, yeah, you eat Cheerios.

What are you talking about? Why are you lying? Oh. Yeah, but I can't go out to like a restaurant and be like, ah, I'm just living my life. You know? Uh, in future. In future.

Yeah, you can do Uber Eats. You can do breads. The perfect door dash. Yeah, because I've always liked the idea of a sublophone, but I always think that- I would go fucking insane. Yeah, I'm so scared. that I would go like one or two days in and I'd be like I just hate everything.

No, because I remember watching your stream one time and you were like, all right guys, I'm gonna go for lunch and you just fucked off for like an hour and it wasn't even like an all day stream. You were streaming for like six hours and you're like, I'd see you guys. And you just left for lunch and I was like, what the heck you can do that? You'd struggle, you'd be like, see guys, I'm gonna fuck off. You didn't even pull like a B-Rife back screen on? No, he did, he did, I did.

For an hour? Yeah, he was like, I was like, I was. I'm going, he like went out for lunch. He like left his house. Okay, if there's one thing. He's like left. If there's one thing I despise doing on stream, it's eating. I hate eating.

It's eating. It's eating. Because I'm like, when you're eating on camera, you're like half, you're just, you're not even eating. You're consuming, right? Yeah. Because I can never feel comfortable just enjoying this food. Sure.

By the same time, I'm like, uh, do I need to be a streamer now or do I need to be a human being? You also feel like really vulnerable, you know? Because it's like, it's this weird feeling of like, oh, I'm just sitting here eating a meal and there's hundreds, if not thousands of people just watching me do it and it feels very often. Whenever I get the Uber Eats, I'll eat half of it before I come back to stream just because I'm like, I need to feel like I ate it. Like that was me. Like I was here. Yeah, I don't know why eating on stream kind of feels intimate.

Well, because it's at the one moment in the day where you get to like chill out a bit. You're like, okay, I'm just going to focus on shoving stuff in my mouth. I'm just eating this meal. I don't know, man. No, you don't know? I just eat on stream, I don't care. Yeah, but I feel like it's also... Yeah, you're in a V-Tuber, that doesn't count.

You have an inherent advantage where you always look great no matter what you're doing. Meanwhile, me freeze-framing, shoving like this pass in my mouth. All they see is just your mouth flapping. Yeah, yeah. That's about it. Yeah, it's so cute because you just see me going... Yeah, yeah, yeah, exactly.

Meanwhile, mine's just like the fucking old Will Smith AI video. Just like, oh, oh. Will Smith eating spaghetti. Yeah, but people like that. People like that they like things that make you human. It's like, oh, look at this dude. He eats just like me. He's so real for that, you know?

There are a lot of people who do like eating with other people on camera, which I don't really like it. No, I don't like you. I don't see the plus in it. No. Uh, I don't know, eating's a, eating's a me thing. Yeah, even if I mean at a restaurant, it's, you know, when I'm with someone,

and sometimes the food gets, you know, in the way I'm just like am I talking now we socializing I like I like I like when I eat it's like I'm showing like your turn to talk and then I'll be like and then when they start when I feel like when I've had like a bite then I feel like it's my time to step up and I got to join in the conversation and be like so I can give you the breathe to be like oh you could put some food in your mouth now I get that but the one thing I hate especially in America is that every single time the way that comes over and it's like are you enjoying your food and it just

happens to be the one time I'm eating mouthful I'm shoving half the lasagna mouth and once, you know. It was like, oh, oh. I don't know, if, for me, if I do have a superpower, it's somehow always starting a conversation at the worst moment when they've got food in their mouth. I swear to God, I just have the most awkward timing. So tell me about your history.

Yeah, and I feel so bad that I... Just give me a second. Yeah, I feel that. But yeah, I would like to do a sub-a-thon sometime, but yeah. Do it! Did you ever have a moment, mouse, which is like you've been life like 40 plus days where you just wanted to be like, I just, I could just end it now. I could just stop it right now, you know, where you just felt you had zero streamer social energy left, but you just felt the pressure to need to continue. Yep, it was the day that my channel got deleted.

What? My YouTube channel got suspended. Oh, yeah. oh yeah i remember that it was someone trying to yeah and i just felt like yeah i felt like the whole world was crashing down on me and i was like what i was like why am i i i remember i i called you crying connor i remember and i and i was like oh i don't know what to do everything's everything's going to shit and i don't know what to do and i should just I was like, nah, it's good.

I was like, that's all good. No, it's fine. You'll be fine. Yeah, because I feel like my first time when I, like, I had like YouTube problems, I was freaking out. I was like, I don't know who to talk to you, I don't know.

But then I just kind of realize if you make a stink on Twitter stuff gets fixed. Yeah. And I was like, dude, I have no doubt my mind, your channel will be back up in like a couple of days. And it was. Yep.

And it was all fine in the end. Because if you have a Dixote article about it, it's, you know, everyone can have an opinion. But it happened, it happened so, fast it was just like it it got it got hit like and it was gone the same day like didn't even give me warning or anything yeah when people try to take down a channel militarily they'll just issue like three strikes to just try and destroy you basically um but normally youtube will fix it yeah it does suck obviously but i mean it does get fixed for sure yeah i mean that's that's that's the issue

when the reach gets so wide and uh you start hitting and all audience outside of the bubble that you're kind of like used to as well. Oh, yeah, sure. Cause, you know. Oh, I know all about that. Yeah, I mean, I... It's happened to me multiple times. Yeah, because I remember, you know, with your sub-a-thon, 90% of, like,

everything I saw was, like, fully, like, positive for, and fully amazing for everything you were doing. And then there was, like... Oh, that's because you weren't on TikTok. Oh, okay. No, I don't have a TikTok. So that's probably why. Well, that's why I made a video about it. Well, Connor saw.

Yeah. Do you remember? Well, yeah, that's why I ended up making the video. Yeah, I was like, I was like shocked because I'd never seen like, so you, because the, and I think like it mostly started when you won the Game Awards content creator of the year over. Yeah, it was just like constant. It was just like constant hate since winning creator the year at the video game awards. Like everyone on TikTok would like see it and be like, like, so angry. Right. And then it's like, okay, and people always get annoyed at award shows. That's

inevitable. That happens because people have their favorite and they want them. But like, this was like really unusual because it kind of like persisted past that. And anytime anyone saw you, they were just like really mean. And like, and like, and to the level of like, that was normally reserved for like internet lull cows, like people who are like egging it on and like seeking out conflict on the internet. And so I was, I just didn't understand it. Because I was like, this is like a weird shift in the internet where people feel really like comfortable being horrible to people. And when did this start happening?

Because I felt like when we were content creators, like when we started, you couldn't just do that. You couldn't just be mean to no one. No, no, it was like a cycle. First, you could be as mean as you fucking want it. Yes, true, true, true. And then everyone learned etiquette. And people would tell their audience.

And people would tell their audience, hey, there's an etiquette. These are real people. And then now we've entered the modern era where we've gone back, maybe even worse where we can be as mean as, you know, as mean as people want them to be. I got a T-Pose I broke again.

Oh, God. Yeah, it is weird, right? Because it's like... No, he'd do that. It's such a power move. It's like, hold on, guys, I got a T-Pose. He's just... He's doing it behind me each time.

Meanwhile, we're talking about a very serious topic of mine. By the way, Con is just T-posing in the background. You know, it is weird. It's like, because, you know, back in like... We've gone kind of like full circle. Yeah. It's like... early 2000s, you know, like, you know, back in like the New Grounds days, it's like,

the internet really was just like the Wild West where you could say and do practically anything with little to no repercussions. Yeah. Yeah. And then I feel it's like once like social media started to come around that people were like, hang on a second, this is, might be a this might be, you know, starting to get tied to real life. Well, yeah, it's a lot more like consequential. Yeah, like we can't do and say shit because it's not as anonymous anymore. And now it's like nuclear fallout where it's just like, yeah, you can, yeah, well, yeah, we're. Whatever. Yeah.

Say whatever the fuck you want that. It's like terrible. Yeah. I mean, I think. We're crazy. Like, and the reason why I met the video is I was just hoping that people would like call out this behavior when they saw it. And I think it did help a little bit. I don't know, Mass.

Maybe I don't know. I feel like people were a bit more conscious about it. I don't know. But it is just like behavior that sucks. Yeah. I just remember like before the video came out like I was getting like 20, 30 death threats like a day. It was pretty bad. And it was everywhere.

It was like TikTok. I would get it sent to my Twitter. I would get it sent on Instagram and it was just like a bombardment of like hate everywhere. And then like it started bleeding into like my Twitch chat.

And I'm just like Jesus Christ. When is this going to end? And it got to the point where I was just like, man, should I just fuck off and just like stop doing this? Because it's like it felt like. It was like cyclical. It's like the video game won't happen. It was like, rah, rah, rah, rah, rah.

And then it was like the stream rewards happen, and then I would do an event, bra, rah, rah, rah, and then the sub-a-rathon happened. It was like, bra-la-ra-rah, it's just like, Jesus, I can't do anything. Yeah. Well, yeah, because it feels like it shifted from like, if people were gonna throw hate online,

they normally felt like they need to the reason, whereas now it kind of shifted to like, I'll hate, and then I'll figure out the reason why after. Yeah. And then, because like, when people actually hear about, like, your, what is you're doing your story a bit, people are way less likely to hate,

but then also at the same time, you shouldn't have to be like, here is my sob story, please don't hate on me, right? People to just be fucking respectful. Yeah, exactly. So it's very annoying. I feel like it's also just gone to the point now where you just straight up C-B-4.

No? Okay. What? Can you fart in no cap? I just... I swear, I just, okay, okay, sorry, sorry. Okay. I must be hearing things.

This man, this means proving my point exactly. Hating with no fucking ever. No, I swear I heard, I heard a creek or heard something come from your general direction. And I was just like, did Joey just? Don't trust me, if I farted in mocap, I would tell you. The fart get picked up. That's the far will get picked up. You all see the green cloud behind me.

Now, I was going to say, like, I swear, like, nowadays when you go on to social media, especially on like, you know, fucking echo chambers like Twitter. Yeah. in TikTok. It's like, you just straight up see people who are like, I don't know who you are, but I hate you.

Yeah, yeah. And it's just like, okay, I'm sorry that you hate me, even though you don't know who I am. If you were to behave like that in real life, it'd be such a sad existence.

Just going on and I'd be like, I hate you. It's like, I literally work at Taco Bell. What do you, like, what do you, like, what do you, I'm sorry, what? Yeah, people, people run their mouth as if they've never been punched in the face in the life,

you know? It's true. It's true. But, I mean, it's going to the point where people, just mouse winning an award you know it's it's now no one wants to win an award because it just gets more eyes on you yeah yeah and uh overblown I can breathe and just piss people off at this point like I think for the

streamer awards remember that I did the performance do you remember like that person that like they posted a video of them like being so pissed they like broke their fucking TV yeah I didn't see this anime girl It's gone very, like, weird. Like, there's been a, like, obviously, as we all know, like, a massive resurgence in, like, masculinity and, like, toxic masculinity. Yeah.

Yeah. So it's kind of like, whenever they see, like, an animal, they go, like, what the fuck is that? I'm not a pussy. I don't want to watch this shit. Or, like, you know, it's just ridiculous. Yeah. It's like, okay.

Whatever. It is, it is a cycle, isn't it? It is a cycle. Totally. We're living in a cycle. Yeah. Everything is a cycle, man. And I know, you know, you just have to help people learn.

When they get older, they hopefully learn to get a cycle. changeer, I'm a man, blah, blah, blah. Well, yeah, there was that one article, oh my hand broke again. There was that one article that was like, you were an Indian man or something. Oh, yeah, oh my God. It was, do you guys know those, like,

engagement bait Twitter's where it's like, they'll just, like, post any random shit, and it's just because they have the blue chat mark, and somebody posted that I was an Indian man, like, as actors found out that I was an Indian man, and people believed it, and I was like, damn, what the, I don't believe Joey's had that article

And Joey's the most Bollywood looking actor He's not a Bollywood actor Where's my article? I'll fully buy into it Joey could be getting a new fan base If you... Oh absolutely

You're just unlocking Just a percentage of your fan base Yeah, what if I just turn around one day and just start speaking? You could be the number one YouTuber right now, Joe In India Come on Indians

Where my fellow Indians Where are? Fellow Indians? Oh my god, oh my god. So, Malsh, you like to sing on stream a lot, but I want to know, do you have like, do you have a karaoke song? Or is it like several karaoke songs? Yeah, what's your go-to karaoke song? Yeah.

So many people ask me this question, like, what's your favorite song? Well, what's your favorite song to sing? All of them. All of them. No, pick one. It's a cop-out. Pick one. One of my songs.

Yeah. What? What? My original song. I like too many. You have to. You have too many? So if you're in like a karaoke,

it would be like a different song every single time. Hell yeah. During Cyclone and I sang like 100 different songs. I mean, I feel that because every time I go to karaoke, it's always a different song. Is it? Yeah. I mean, I have my standards,

but then the one I always start off with, I feel changes every single time. Because the last time I went to karaoke. What's your go-to? Like, you know, there's like old, like old Radwim songs or like Yonesey Kanshi songs obviously, but like the last time I went to karaoke, I think I started with hire by Creed.

I, you must go through a different phase, Joey, because I'm back on my Creed phase. Oh my God. I love, I love Creed songs. It's so fun to sing a karaoke. Oh my God. I'm not adverse in karaoke. Not a versed in karaoke.

I'm okay. I just sing a song drunk. I embarrass myself. What do you mean? You always play... Fireflies? Yeah, fireflies? I haven't done fireflies a long time. He always sings fireflies.

It's fireflies or radioactive? I've never done radioactive. What? No, what's that Imagine Dragon song you always fucking do? Oh, the League of Legends song? Oh, is that one? Well, we just, I mean, I think we all do that. It's not like a me thing.

Like, me and gone... I don't fucking do that. I just do it when you're there. Yeah, I imagine... Just because... Yeah, I actually was just thinking, I was like, I think I only do it when you're right. Fuck's saying.

I don't know, I feel like, yeah, I change a lot based on what I'm listening to. Yeah, but when was the last time you went to karaoke? Oh, months ago, like October, September. Right. So I haven't done it all the long time. I didn't think I sang at that time. What? You can't go to karaoke not sing.

I don't know what I sang. Do you remember what you sing at karaoke? Do you remember every grain of rice you've eaten your life? I am Japanese, but... It's too expensive now. Yeah. I don't know. Do you remember all the songs your karaoke mouse or do it all like a blur for you?

Um, it depends. I feel like if it was like a normal stream, I don't remember, but like Cyclathon, I remember all the songs I think. In order. Name them more like, but I'm, so like, I have a photographic memory for music and like songs and stuff. So I remember lyrics very easily and I remember things very easily. I can't remember any lyrics. A song I don't remember. Oh, damn.

I can't remember any lyrics from. any songs ever. Not even your favorite songs? No. What? What? No. That's why he's beep boop man. Yeah, that's why he's me boobs. Which is true, right? Beeps and Boots music is your beaton. He doesn't even remember virtual insanity? Uh, virtual sanity. Oh shit. Okay, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait. Okay, Connor, me and you. Okay. Lyrics to virtual insanity. Uh, okay, okay, okay, wait, wait, wait. Virtual What did you say? I don't know. I know the sound, but I don't know the word.

You know the syllables, right? Yeah, so I'll just say like a, I don't know. You know like that. And I won't know the lyrics. Okay, wait, this is pissing me off. We can figure this out. So it goes, dun, dun, dun, dun, virtual insanity.

Something made of virtual. Oh, I think you're right. I think you're right. It's always. It seems to. No, Joe. Virtual insanity. Mouse knows it.

By the love we have. for a useless twisting of a new technology. Now there is no sound, for we all live underground. Yeah, I don't know that. I can't remember that. See, when you say it in like word form, I'm like, what, that just sounds wrong. Where did that come from? For now there is no sound, but we all live underground. You remember? That's how the chorus is.

No, I know that because you sang. You should do more singing streams. Me? Joey. You sing so good. Oh, thank you. Yes. Yes.

He doesn't stream, though. I don't stream. I don't stream. I've got to get in stream first. streams yeah I don't stream I think he's happy me should just do karaoke streams they'd be so sick I'll do on with you you would yeah I'll do on with you oh my god you do karaoke with me sure that sounds fun yeah we'll do that shit now you said out loud Joe I know yeah yeah you got you got to commit to this is one time I will commit to it

What is the key to singing good? Like, what's the one thing I need, other than everything? I actually, I would like to know this as well. The key to singing good. How did you improve? How did you get better? For your voice type, and just not giving a shit about what other people think. Also, just practice.

It's such a lame. Yeah, practice. They got no, like, O-Zempe for your voice or something? Osempic for your voice. It's called 10 Ulong Hyes. True. It's called Nomi Hohorai. You have a good song.

Listen, Connor has a good voice, but he doesn't believe that he can sing because he's over. No, I think the problem with Connor is that. I'm so cringe. No, no, no. The problem with Connor and also, God, is that they don't know their vocal range. So they keep picking songs that are way throughout their vocal range, which anyone is going to sound like shit. I don't want to sing a song.

that I don't fuck with. Well, you can, you're gonna find a song that's in your vocal that you're fuck with. But all the song that fuck with, there's always guys going, I don't know, like, god damn it. You better get good at fucking, I just wanna sing the Tokyo Gould opening, Joey. Is that too much to us?

Yes, because nobody sounds like TK other than TK. No one can sing like that. I wish I sound like that. Yeah, we all wish we sound like TK. Well, we could just, we could just change the key of the song and put it a little lower so you can sing it. No, no, no. See, it's when I go to karaoke,

and they start changing the key of the song. I'm like, what is this? What is this magic? What the fuck? What is this, how does this work? Yeah, I'm like, what are you doing? Yeah. He doesn't, like, it doesn't automatically change key in your brain.

Okay, sorry. Yeah, but like, it's too try hard. If you change key and karaoke, it's like, what's going on here? What are we... What is it? You see? That's your mistake. You just said it. You're like, it's too try hard.

It is too try hard. Oh my God. Like karaoke, we're all trying to, like, just vibe. I enjoy the art of singing. I, uh, no, no, I won't. I refuse. No, actually, I just won't. If you have to record a song, Connor,

how many takes does it take you? Oh, like, every time I've recorded the song, I've never been able to do it all in one go. How many takes, how many takes did the last anime Saifertagyu? Like, hundreds. It takes hours. Do you go like one line out of time?

No, no, no, I'll do like a first at a time. Is that what people do? I'm asked you do that. Do you like a verse at a time? How do you do it? Well, it depends on the song. So I usually record each line like three times. I do like three or four takes of each line.

Oh, and stitch it together. Add three or four takes of like each harmony and just build from there. I basically like just build the song. But like voice over, like if I'm doing voice over for like my own stuff, it's like never more than two takes. Yeah, I'm like I've got it in two and then I'm done. I move on to the next thing.

But like singing, because I'm not used to it, I have to do like 50 takes, 60 takes until I start hating it. Like I hate it so much. I'm like, what is- Yeah, you talk, you talked to Boobie, right? Like, how many takes did it take Boobie to sing his song? Do you remember? A lot.

Wait, what song did he sing? Uh, so, uh, yeah, we did like, uh, three songs, I think. Right? Yeah, was it three songs? Oh yeah, we've done three songs, that's true. I mean, me and Boobie have done three songs. You could keep that up. I'm too lazy to keep it up.

You know what? Let's just, let's... I'm lazy too. We've done three songs together. How... Did it take you a lot to, like, record the song or no? Yes, it did take me a lot. And I needed someone else to sing it, like, like a...

Like, same with rapping. I needed someone to wrap it so I could copy it. Oh, so you know, like, the flow and cadence. Yeah, because I can't, like, I can't instinctively do the right rhythm or, like, cadence. Right, right. Because I'm something wrong in my brain. I think you sounded good though. What were the songs?

There's anarchy, cry for me, and... What's the other one? Devil. Devil. Devil. Devil. Are these all, like, Mouse original songs? Yeah, Mouse original songs.

Oh, cool, cool, cool. So there was someone who produced it who sang it for me, and then I would have to copy them. Right, right, right. And so I would have their version playing faintly in my ear, and I would basically, like, sing along. Right, right. That's cool, though.

I mean, that works. Yeah. I literally can't do it without. Thank you. Thank you. Whatever works for you, man. Yeah. You did great.

And I just wish... Yeah, Booby did great. But don't worry, Booby will do more songs. Oh, God. Oh, fuck. I would love to hear live performance of that, as well. I think you'd like to hear a live performance. I don't think you'd like to hear a live version.

Virtual insanity. Thank you all insanity. No lyrics up. No lyrics up. Made of... It'd be a fucking disaster. You can even do, you can, you can even get the mocap on and do the whole music video. Yeah.

Yeah, he goes, he goes, he goes to all the, he does like the, we can't, we can't, actually. He does like the, oh yeah. Yeah, you can do it with the cap. I would pay to watch that. Do do, do do and do. Yeah. Yeah. We'll remake it.

We'll remake it. Yeah, we'll be great. So you're working on a new album as well, Mars. Malsh. Yeah, Mous. Mous. Mous. Mous.

Mous. Mous. I don't know. Mose. So he just kind of like, I just did my best booby impression there for a second. That was a great impression. But no, you just told me you're working on an album. Yeah, I am.

I am. It's supposed to come out for my eight year. streaming anniversary in August oh wow so a fair bit away but you're really done with it right I think yeah I'm almost done yes true every every song is very different are you writing your own songs for it or doing original songs oh hell no I listen I here's the thing I can sing but I I was not given the gift of writing I mean it's kind of a hard I'm not smart I'm very dumb I know I agree.

What? I mean, hey, you sit yourself off. You can't write a... Talking about. Look, I'm not saying I can write a script either. That's why Gant's here. Gant's the script writer. Eh.

Better than nuts. If I can... Writing a song is different to writing a scripts. Okay, yeah, writing a song is hard because you can't be like, you know, can't write it like a movie. It's hard. It's hard.

I would like... I would like write old cat, hat. something... They put the cat in the hat. My master... They got their phoenix and him. So, hear me out. Actually, Joe, as someone who has actually written their own songs.

Yeah. What's writing lyrics right, man? I don't know. I just write whatever I'm feeling at the time. Joe, that helps no one, Joey. I don't know what to tell you. Joey's just gonna... Music's gonna be like that video where it's like rapping until I say something gay.

It's like, that's Joey's entire song writing. Yeah. And then I have to stop. It's like, I'm done for the day. Fuck, I got six seconds in here. It's like, dicks, shit. Yeah, I don't know. I'm just like, I write a song, I write an instrumental, and then I've, at the time I'm like, well, I'm feeling like this, so, and that's going to go perfectly with this instrumental, so I'll write some lyrics.

Have you seen, um, have you seen the channel? aria at home where he goes around like New York like with the music table. Yes, I love that guy. And it just seems like everyone in New York is like the best rapper and songwriter of all time. Because he just goes around, he's like, what do you want? What beat do you want? He makes a beat on the spot and then he starts rapping. Or singing, like, flawless.

He has like this entire rig. It's so cool. It's basically like an entire loop station. Yeah, it's sick. Attached to like, you know, you know there's that like one DJ girl in Akihabra with the entire fucking DJ set that goes around stream and stuff like that. It's like that, but in New York. Yeah. And the guy just goes, like,

people like go up to him and he's like, oh, what are you doing, man? He's like, oh, can you rap or sing? And they're like, oh, yeah, I guess I'm like, okay. And they're like, all make me a beat. And he starts making a beat on the spot. And then they just, they all turn into Jay-Z all of a sudden. And they just start rapping. People are so good. I've never seen this. And it's just this. You've got to see this. It's so good. They're on like Instagram reels and stuff a lot.

I think, yeah, yeah, yeah. It's so good. I've seen, I've seen. It's really cool. Incredible. Yeah, yeah, yeah, this guy. Like, he just, everyone's just like a lyrical god somehow. I feel like New York would be the place where this would work, though, you know?

Yeah. Well, you know, some of the best rappers in the world are from New York, so. I mean, all they got to do is, like, fucking, like, a proper New Yorker talk, and it's, it's already bars. Yeah. All they have to do is just talk in rhythm. Yeah, yeah, yeah, exactly, exactly. Talk, talk, beat, and you're the greatest rapper alive.

I know, I know, you're just. spoke about it a bit on your channel on other podcasts too but you you were trained to be an opera singer and actually you've told me this too and I I don't think I've heard like the full story yeah how did that happen all that entail some of me how did you yeah okay so I've heard I've heard pieces of this story but never like the full timeline if you would be kind enough to yeah well I've all I always but when I was a kid this is gonna sound so I watched a the fifth element and I saw the blue alien.

Oh, the opera scene, such a sick scene. Yeah, and like I was just entranced and I just remember thinking, man, I want to be that blue alien so much. And I just fell in love with like opera from that moment from being a kid and it was just like all downhill from there. It was all that I could think about. Like, I remember like friends in line like, like, they were like, yeah, I want to be a pop star and I want to do something. I want to be opera diva and I want to do like opera tours and all this stuff. And I had like these big dreams of opera and for it. And unfortunately, you know, I had to drop out of school because of my illness.

And it did not work out for me. But I found singing again. I actually ended up like losing my voice for like a year. And I couldn't sing. And I thought that I wasn't going to be able to sing again. But then my voice came back and I slowly started streaming. And then one day somebody on stream was like, hey, can you sing a song on stream? And I was like in front of people in years.

I was just like, oh my God, I don't know. And I did it. And I was like, holy shit, I can still sing, kind of. And now it's like, I feel like my dreams kind of came true because I'm kind of doing what I always want to do, which is sing and record music. And I'm not the opera star that I want, but I'm just doing it in a different way, I guess. Yeah, the monkeys, poor curls. That's my fault. My hand's broken, though.

Well, now that you've said that mouse, you have to, in your next karaoke stream, you have to do a cover of that. can fit that woman's song. Oh, I've sung it on the street before. Oh, really? Oh. I think I liked it's on screen. Yeah, I used to be a tour of a soprano. Unfortunately, after, like, getting sick a lot, like, I suffer a lot of vocal damage, so I don't.

Yeah. I feel I don't have the same power that I did before, but, like, I, I, I could still kind of hate it. I mean, you know, as someone who is definitely not an opera singer, just hearing that, I'm just like, that sounds really. really fucking difficult to do it. How the hell can you do that? Yeah, how the hell does a human produce that voice?

So even getting close to that is pretty impressive. Some cool, like, operatic style songs for Cyclathon. Yeah, you did Yves Maria? Is that what it's called? Aave Maria. Is that what it's called? Alvei Maria? I don't remember if I sing Ava Maria.

I know I sang the... I sang the... Dino. I sang Fan of the Opera. I sang... I'm saying a few other stuff, you know, but it's, I like singing. It makes me happy. Hell yeah.

What kind of lessons did you have to take back in the day to train to be opera specifically? Oh my God. I don't even know what I was like. My life. I would go to school and I would take private voice lessons almost every day. And I had choral lessons and it had musical theater lessons and it had opera lessons. and it was just like a lot of lessons and King five to eight cups of coffee a day.

Yup and then school on top of that. Jesus. Then my body started deteriorating. Maybe eight cups of coffee didn't help. I don't know. You know, I'm starting to think that maybe it didn't help. It probably didn't help. Let's be honest. Maybe we could have done with every other coffee being a decaf.

Yeah. Oh, oh, that's a good point, y'all. What is the point then? That's the point. Is this how it goes back? So now you could have drank those coffees and not had the consequences of drinking your coffees. Isn't that fun? Isn't that great?

You are one to talk. You cannot about drinking coffee. You drink like a gaudillion. I drink three coffees a day, okay? That's a lie. That is such a lot. That is a lot. You drink three coffees by the time

you get to the trash chase studio. I will on very sparse situations. I will have four. Three coffees is the AM menu. I don't stand for this. I just did. I did. Look, I occasionally have four. If I'm, if I desperately need it that day.

Occasionally. I normally have three, man. Can you, can you get by, what's the minimum you can get by with? One, one. Yeah, I can do one. Can you get by an entire day with no coffee? Yeah, I just really tired. Right.

I've had one coffee today. Like, one espresso. There is no way he would. I've had one espresso, which is like half of a coffee. What do you look like you're dying? Whoa. I feel great, dude. You guys dying?

Can you do this? He's going to be pan- 10 seconds. He's like, all right. I'm dead. Oh, my God. Sorry, continue the conversation. Ignore me.

So, Connor's going to die now. Yeah, Conner's going to die now. I'm alive. There you guys back. Yo, there you are. Tied. Oh, God, that's tiring. Yeah, you can't die yet.

You got... Minerals. Oh, God, no more cinnamon rolls. Please. Please. Yes. No. So, I also see in Best Weymouse.

Since you are basically live every time... Every time I see you on Twitch or go on Twitch a lot of times. Yeah. Do you have time to, I guess, like, watch anything or... game or anything outside of streaming or it's like most of the stuff you do on stream now yeah i i think i'm like addicted to streaming and i'm addicted to like v tubing so it's taken up so much in my life but i have my life like my mom and my friends and connor telling me you need to take a break i do i do so i try to take at least one or day one or two days off a try you know to take some time out for

myself and I'll probably like play a game or like watch something yeah here and there right oh have you been watching anything recently I've been bad like I I have like so much anime on my list that I have to catch up on because I haven't had time oh it's always we we do this a lot we don't watch anime I got a T-post to fix myself oh yeah so you have to T-pose behind me every single time it's the most convenient play The East of T-Pos. There we go. I've been busy watching other shows, you know?

Yeah, I mean, it doesn't have to be anime. It's just whatever you've been watching. True, true. I've just really been into, like, a lot of stuff, you know? I like Severance. Oh, severance. I still have to catch up to season two. I still don't watch it.

Oh, it's so good. I haven't watched it. It's gotten too popular now. Everards of it. It's gotten too popular, Jay-R-Wam watch it. You also know. me with like TV shows it's like you're slow to watch TV shows I don't know what it is it's just I always whenever I think to myself like okay I'm gonna sit down and watch this TV show

that part of my brain is like no you're not and I don't know why I just I always stop myself from starting it for me I find it easy to watch TV shows because I trick my brain to think I'm watching a short product of like oh it's only like 45 minutes but then there's 10 episodes yeah it's a pretty big commitment trick your brain yeah I'm like because if I watch a movie right A movie's one and done. And then I feel like I have consumed something and like I've enjoyed an experience. Whereas if I commit to like a TV show

and there's three seasons, I'm like, oh fuck, to get the full experience of what this thing's trying to offer, I have to watch so much stuff. But I can take it like 45 minute episodes at a time. I got a day. This is psychopath stuff. Well, also, I'm like, you are gaslighting yourself into doing something that should be a form of entertainment

and you're just like, okay. Well, no, how do I trick myself into doing this thing that should be a thing for me? No, no, that's not what I'm saying. It's not one giant task, it's many microtasks. Yes, that's correct. No, what I'm saying is like, you know, sometimes you watch, because movies are so long now.

Two and a half hours, like every movie feels like it's two. No, but see, I'm the opposite because, like, yeah, movies are long. They're like two to three hours, but TV shows now are like 10, 20 hours long. Yeah, yeah. So I'd much rather sit down. But I can, like, watch 45 minutes and go to bed, you know? I can't do that.

See, like, because for a movie, it's like sometimes, some movies are like two and a half hours, three hours, and it's pretty common. And it's like, I'll stop streaming or I'll stop doing work at maybe like 10. I want to be, like, sleeping by like 1130. It's like, I don't really want to watch a movie because now I'm, so. That's why I end up watching TV shows more. But then that's why I go to the cinema, because I like movies there. I love movies.

I have such a hard time. Not watching TV shows, but watching one episode at a time. Especially like anime 20 minutes is- Oh no I have to binge. Yeah, I love to binge Yeah, I love it with my schedule is free and I'm like I'm just gonna binge this entire TV show I can't do I can't do an episode at a time Especially if it's something like severance where you watch a show and it you are just hooked from I can't watch one episode Yeah, you can't like wait week. I just want to watch it all in one go yeah, especially if I enjoy it I like waiting a week No, I do you don't what are you talking?

Yes, I do. Did somebody come and replace your brain? You always talk about how you hate that. No, okay. What I like doing is, like, let's say when, like, Invincible came out. It's 10 episodes. Okay. I love Invincible.

Me too. I'll wait for five or six episodes to be out before I jump in the weekly hustle. Because I want to be involved in the conversation like, yo, everyone watched Invincible this week? I don't want to sit through the build of episodes. You know what I mean? So I'll wait for like four or five episodes to get me like that I can binge. and then I get hooked and then I'm like

I can't wait for next week now Oh this guy's so full of shit What the fuck? That's what I did with like Jutsu Kaysen I waited until like halfway through the arc Right And then I was like I'll jump into it now

And then I'm like kind of stoked So you just want to be there For the hype Yeah you're just there for the disc Is that a crime? Is that a crime? No it's fine It's just like

I don't give a fuck about the hype Oh So that's why I'd rather just like Watch it all at one go No no I For me being a part of that hype is fun Like, I enjoy being in the weekly conversation. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. It's fun. That's why, like, Jojo, part five was so fun to watch weekly because everyone was talking about, like, you know, sucking dick every week. And it's just kind of, like, it was funny, as a part of that. As a man, we need outlets like that.

So I was, I was part to be a part of something. You guys excited for part seven? I'm very excited for part seven. Part seven got announced. Finally. Yeah, final. And Shohey Hotani retweeted the announcement. He's a, he's, he's, he's, he's, he's, he's, he's, he's, he's, he's, he's, he's,

He's like sucking dick, dude. You know it's good when the goat retweets it. It's gonna be so high, bro. I can't wait. I'm so pop. I'm just like, worry, like, how many fucking episodes is gonna be? Because part seven, I think it's the longest. It's probably going to be like 40 or 50.

Must be, right? There's no. I just, oh, I just feel like the 40, 50 episode anime era is over. No, Jojo can pull it off. We need more. If they do arrive. I miss the days of 40 to 50. I miss the days when 24 episodes was the norm.

And nowadays when... When an anime gets 24 episodes, it's like, oh, no way! They're actually locking in for this. Two whole cores. No way. It is crazy. They were just lock in for like 70 episodes in the past. They were like, yep, we're just going to make 72 episodes of monster.

Yeah. And they were all bangers. Yeah. I mean, I think Part 7 has to be like at least 40 episodes. They can't make it just 24 episodes. And if they do, I'd be very worried. Yeah. If we hear like, they're going to do it in 27 episodes.

It's 12 episodes. Could you imagine? If they're like, it's 12 episodes. Oh. It's like, okay. Now the one I'm most worried about is it's a movie. Oh. Oh, no.

Because there's a possibility they will do that. I hope not. I really hope not. If they did like, I don't know, it would be like four movies. But then it would be like we're getting into like stupid waiting territory. Yeah. Yeah. Because that'll be more stupid than doing like 24 episodes, I feel.

Well, everyone was worried about like, because obviously not to talk too much about Jojo Mouse. Actually, are you a big Jojo fan mouse? I like Jojo Have you read part 7? No Okay so it's set in America To all the viewers You're asking if I read

Yeah that's true I forgot I forgot Damn It's set in part 7 Sorry set in America It's in America It's in America during like the early Gold Rush

I know about that I'm just telling you and the viewers In case the viewers don't know too So and you know they're riding It's about a race Where they're trying to ride across On horseback And it is the longest part of Jojo

By like a decent It used to be. Oh, right, right, of course. Yeah. And it's when they shifted from the weekly, I think, to the monthly release. Yes. But everyone was worried because animating horses is famously, like, really very difficult. And the entire anime is set on horseback.

Yeah. Like, literally, every episode is about running horses. They should just put Uma-Musa-Meet girls in there. Have them ride girls. Yeah, but they don't even run like horses. They run like people, which is... The problem is horses running like horses is, like, apparently the animator final boss. Yeah.

Like, apparently it's just... It's probably going to be a lot of CG. Yeah, a lot of people are really worried about that. But if they make it look good... I mean, CG doesn't look as bad in anime these days. It's a lot less noticeable. Yeah, like, if Studio Orange did, they were like, we've got a horse anime, but like, I trust.

I trust. I'd love them cook. Let them cook. Let them cook. So I'm hoping it's Studio David normally do crush. So I'm hoping it turns out well. And I want the renaissance of Jojo coming back. I would love to as well because part six just got totally glossed over it.

Oh, it actually kills me. Uh, going to go on a little bit of a tangent. Uh, Sydney bought this really cool custom made Jojo purse. Oh yeah, they were selling them, yeah.

Yeah, yeah. Have you seen the one? It's like Boucherati themes. Yeah, yeah. Uh, it's got like the Boucherati. Kai, put it up on the screen. Put it, put it up. There's a couple of knockoff ones.

I want to see. Yeah. There's only a couple that are like official merch. Yeah, and she's started to... Oh, is that one? No. No, no, no. It's the one with an actual woman carrying it.

Yeah, that one. Oh, cool. She has that one just because she bought it because she liked the pattern. But there's been several times now where we've gone out. And it kills me inside every time, right? Because she hasn't seen Jojo. Oh, no. She hasn't seen Jojo.

She has not watched like a single episode. She just bought it because she looked cool. Because it looked cool. Yeah. And we go out. Every time we go to a bar, we always get at least, one comment being like, oh my god, is that Jojo? Yeah.

Oh, Jodati, yes, yeah, Jodzni. Yeah. And Sidney's like, yeah, Jojo. And they ask, oh, do you like Jojo? And Sidney's like, I've never seen it. Oh my God. You just see the lights fade from their eyes and I'm like, Sydney, come on.

As a Jojo fan, this kills me inside as well. See, you guys were clanging on me about this, but this is the exact same phenomenon that happens when people wear Kurt Cobain t-shirts and don't know who are. This is the exact same phenomenal. It's just disappointment. It's like I was hoping

we could have talked about Jojo because you have a sick thing and then they turn around and go, nah, never washed it. Yeah, it's kind of, I always wear the weather report sweater because I always get people who, when I got out drinking,

they're always like, weather report though. Yeah, he's kind of sick. Yeah, he's kind of sick. Yeah, he's kind of cool. Yeah. I'm cool too. I like it.

We could like each other. Mouse, do you still get time to watch Super Sentai? Oh my God. No. No. I feel so bad because I'm so behind and I get people coming into my chat all the time being like, have you seen the latest episode?

Have you seen it? Have you seen it? I'm like, I haven't seen it yet, but please just give me some time. I promise I'll catch up. I'm still on King Oger, bro. I'm so behind. So wait, how long have you been watching Super Sentai for?

Like when did this love start? Years. That was so deep. My brother got me into it. So I was a kid. I've been into it. So like I've watched everything, basically. I've watched a super centi common writer.

I've watched some of the metal hero stuff. Yeah. Like space share Gabban and it's just, I just, I like Tokusatsu a lot. What do you, what do you like about Tokasatsu? Because a lot of people I think find it quite campy and a bit over the top. I think that's what I love about it. Yeah, right, right, yeah. I love the campiness.

I love the fact that it's over the top. I love the campiness. I like, the whole, like, superhero thing is just, I like it. You know, and it tackles a lot of themes that are like, oh, like, Gatto. I don't know if you guys know Gatto. I know of Gatto. I know of Gatto. Oh, my God.

I love Gatto so much. It's, like, darker Tokusatsu, and it's just such a great show. It's amazing. What do you think, okay, as three people, you? or not into the Super Sentai world. What's like a good entry point? What's the Super Sentai show that you guys would recommend to someone who's like interested in getting into the world,

but not sure where to start because there's so many different shows. I would recommend a Common Rider. I would actually recommend a Commer Rider show than Super Sentai. I recommend Commer Rider Gaim because it was written by Ganuobuchi, and it's like very anime-esque. I grew up with Harmon Rida. Oh, you did?

Yeah, yeah, Common Rider and like Ultraman Man. stuff I grew up with? I never really liked Power Rangers when I was a kid. I didn't really like, I found it really weird. I see. I was like, I'd rather just watch my...

Because I wanted to watch the cartoons and I didn't like that they were getting in the way of my cartoons. I was like, wait, I don't want to watch this, I want to watch... I don't want to watch IRRL. You must have been just on the tail end of the whole Power Ranger craze then.

I was, I think I just got like the end of it when it was kind of fizzling down a bit and yeah. So, but yeah, I do... Everyone would talk about it. But I was never into it. I mean, I was like, like a huge, huge Power Ranger fan back in the day.

Really? Yeah. I never got deeper into it than like the OG Power Rangers. Yeah. But I mean, I feel like everyone my age was into it as a kid. Yeah. I don't know. I remember when the first movie came out, which feels like a fever dream now.

The first movie. With like Ivan Ouse or whatever. Have you seen the Power Rangers movie? I've seen the Power Rangers movie. I mean, I haven't seen it in a long time. but I do remember I remember I remember

I remember it was so campy it's crazy looking back oh my god it was so campy but as a kid it was so hype

especially in the movie when they got the new like suits and the new costumes yeah that's right oh I remember like I was like man

I want a rollerblade too they had like oh yeah rollerblading scene yeah they had oh yeah because that must have like peak rollerblading

they did I think they started this they started that movie off with like a skydiving scene or something like that. Yeah. I mean, I had like surfboards as they were skydiving and it was like the coolest fucking thing I'd ever see.

That's Sonic 2 as far. Yeah, yeah, right? I was so into fucking rollerblades when I was like 12. Really? I was into rollerblades as well. Yeah, but then the problem with roll-blading in the UK is that our roads are really fucking shit and bumpy. And so you're rollerblading, but you're basically

rollerblading on like a mountain sides. You're like fucking... I was a skateboarding kid. Instead of rollerblades. Skipers seems way cooler. I don't know why. It's only cool if you know how to skateboard. I guess.

That first, like, year that you're learning to skateboard, it is you look uncool as fuck. What were you going to say, Mouse? Oh, I wasn't allowed to do any of that stuff, because it was for boys. Nah, it is, though. Really? That is for boys.

What do you mean? Not is, though. No stinky girls allowed on the skateboards. What the heck? It's got Tony Hawk, not Tony Hawketta. I don't know. I was telling, I was telling chat. It's so funny I'm here.

I was telling chat. I was telling my chat, like, man, there was just so many things that I wanted to do that I never got to do like rolling blading, skateboarding. I wanted to do martial arts. My mom didn't let me because she said it was for boys. I wanted to do gymnastics. She didn't let me because she said it was for boys. I wanted to do fake skating. She didn't let me because I was going to kill myself.

I think she was just pretty gatekeeping everything from you. Uh, yeah, I think so. I don't think she was just like that gymnastics? Nah. Gymnastics is like famously for both. Yeah. Absolutely. Absolutely.

Yeah. I would argue all of those things famously for both. Dude, I even had a guy in a mall come up to me like, oh my God, you'll be perfect for gymnastics. You have the perfect body. And now as an adult, I'm like,

holy shit, that was kind of weird. But like, what else? Really? Wow. Your body is insane. Dude, who was there? Who got caught texting and said that? Adam Levine.

Oh, holy fuck. Holy fuck. Holy fuck. Your body is incredible. This is perfect for gymnastics. It was just a random dude who said that and then just left. Yeah, he was like a gymnastics coach and he was like in the mall and like, wow, your body is incredible. You would make a perfect gymnast.

And of course, rightfully so, my mom is like, uh, fucking creep, get away. But I was like, mom, I could be a gymnast. She goes, is like, are you crazy? That guy was going to do something bad. I mean, you know what? Your mom was probably right. The term is total instincts right there. How old were you at the time?

Uh, I was a child. Okay, yeah I think I was like I think it was like maybe seven or eight Okay I think your mom Made the right move Your mom made the right call Like I was never a gymnastics teacher actually

Yeah Yeah yeah He's just a guy at them all Oh my god I think it was like seven or eight If I recall correctly I did gymnastics in school You did you know

I was in the like gymnastics club Damn I just had weird like upper body strength As a kid Because I was just climbing trees all the time I can't imagine you doing gymnastics Yeah, I did like the fucking jumping on like the thing and you're doing all that stuff Is that why like when you've done like trampoline stuff like you do your flip so well?

Yeah, because I would just launch for myself. I was like I didn't learn a sense of danger until I really hurt myself. Like I was just too, super comfortable just fucking like yeah I'll fucking run to the wall. Yeah, I'll fucking jump off a cliff. Let's do it. Just imagine you with a sense of like elegance in your movies. I don't know if it's elegant. I think it was just wild reckless neglect from my body and I would be like you would have jumped that all right

I'll send it oh it's sick I'll send it I just wanted to have strong legs like I wanted to crush a watermelon between my thighs okay I might have to dial it down to a grape I think for you right now what do you mean dial it down to a grape I could be strong yeah yeah yes okay all right don't that don't destroy my dreams shit okay I'm gonna wait for the uh not ending stream until I crunch of water normal. It's just mouse for like three days. I think that would be, you'd break the sub record if you did that as a sub goal. Yeah, I think so. 500,000, some, something,

it's like a really, actually, now I was gonna say small watermelon, but actually they're harder to break because they're not like right. Yeah, yeah, yeah. You can get more grip on it. There's more surface area as well. Okay, okay.

Who was the first person who was like, you know what, I'm gonna try and do that. My arms are fucked up again. I fucked up. Um, who looked at a watermelon was like, I could crush that between my thighs. I don't know. It's you?

Me, I'd started the trend. Have you tried it? I've not tried it. I think I could do it. My thighs are disgusting. They are. Especially off the cycling as well. These boys.

Elephant tiles. Okay, hold on, I cut, like, look at those. Look at these boys. Yeah. Put those away. They are thick. Your thighs are so. thighs are so thick that I don't even register on your model.

They remove my ass in this model. I got no-hast, man. What the heck, I'm not. What the heck? You are all thighs. Yeah, in real life, I'm a 90% thigh. This is pre-cycliffe one corner. Yeah.

Oh my God. My thick thighs aren't saving any lives. Jesus Christ. Hmm. Man, I would ask you the v-tuber question, but I already know that it's gonna be a no. You can ask, I'll still say no. No, I'm not gonna ask if you're gonna say no.

What's the V-Tuber question? Oh, because I love turning people in the V-tubers. It's my favorite thing. Yeah, I know. I remember during the charity stream, you were trying to fucking persuade me for like three hours. I honestly would love to, but goddamn. Like you said, the barrier of entry now is just very intimidating.

It feels like too much resources and money to spend on like a one-off thing. Yeah. But I feel like people would love to watch you become one gart. You want to know. Why? Okay. Because you know somebody named Heem Hajim. I know.

And I do know someone called Heem Hajim, and every time I see them go live and they don't have to, they just plop out of bed, Gremlin style, and just turn on, turn on the PC. I'm like, God, I wish that was me. God, I wish I could do that. We have to look presentable. We need to look presentable. That is also what I do by the way. Joey, you look great in Gremlin mode though.

Like, my hair, like my hair doesn't look this perfect. Every time, man. When I wake up, I have the worst fucking bed hair of all time. And if I don't, if I don't do my hair, then I have the hentai protagonist hair. Or like the mob hair. Do you know how hype that shit would be if you saw that on stream?

I just can't. I can't, I remember the one time, I remember the one time I took a picture without doing my hair. It was after like a fucking 14-hour flight. Yeah. A fan caught me outside of a, outside of the airport. I was like, okay, it's just a random fan,

whatever, I'll take this picture. Gets posted on Reddit within five hours. And then it's like the top, the top voted post of that week. I remember that photo. And I'm like, okay. I look like, shit, why do you do this to me? I remember that photo.

I was like, who is that, man? The mob psycho here. The mob psycho here. Did you dirty? Yeah, it's pretty up though somewhere. Mooney and we'll put it up in the edit. It'll be up there. Yeah.

But, yeah, no. I don't think it'll come up here, Sersh. No, I won't come on. It's on screen. It's on screen. I'm reacting. It is on screen right now. All right.

Well, then, Mous, thank you so much for joining us then. It's been long overdue and it was a lot of fun. Thank you so much for joining us. And thank you for entertaining us in 3D. I got to stand out now to make most of the mocha. Yeah, right. We got to, let's do a last minute. Let's all get in this.

We don't have this much space in the Trash Day studio. No, you can't. We can't go this far back normally. We gotta take a picture. Take a picture, take a picture. Everybody's screenshot right now. Yeah, screenshot. Hey, yeah.

Aw, this is so cute. This is the cutest they ever seen. Where are we? All right, now T-pose on her. What the fuck, no! No! T-posting. Tea-posts.

All right, we'll go and check out Mouse. Over on Twitch, Twitter, all the places, all that kind of place. Go check it out. Where else can they find your mouse? On YouTube, on Twitter, on TikTok, even though it's mean to me, but, you know, I'm there too. Thanks for having me, guys. I had a big time.

Thank you. And hey, guys, by the way, if you want to support the show, then you can head on over to patreon.com slash trash taste. Links in the description. By the way, every single week, we have Patreon exclusive content that we do. And because we have mouse here with us and we have these V-tube models, we're going to going to be doing a couple of Patreon episodes with mouse. We're going to be playing some games with mouse. And you can go check out the first one right after this one.

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